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"Fnme requlres every kind of excess.
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I mean lrue me.
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A rtevouring neon.
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Long journeys across grey space.
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Danger.
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Tbe edge of every vold.
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Unrterslnnd lhe man who musl
lnhabll tbese exlreme reglons.
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Even If half-mart, be is absorbert
inlo lhe publlc's lolal madness.
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Even If fully rallDnal,
a bureaucrnl In hell,
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a secret genlus of survlval,
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he ls sure lo be rteslrDyert by
lhe publlc's conlempl for survlvors."
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What are you working on
at the moment inside yourself?
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I can't really say.
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Maybe this break
would be very valuable
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to try painting again after
a break of going into pop music.
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I don't know.
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If I wanted to say nothing ,
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or if I want to act
in an extraordinary way,
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then I feel that
that too is justified.
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Syd Barrell, one of lbe foundlng
members of Pink Ployrt,
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has rtled al lhe age of 60.
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A slalemenl from lhe band
descrlbert hlm as a gulrtlng llgbl
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who leaves a legacy
wbich conllnues lo inspire.
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He lefl lhe Plnk Ployrt In I 968
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anrt llved as a recluse
In Cambrlrtge for lhree decades.
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How woulrt you descrlbe,
now In your malurily...
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Thank you.
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...his contribution to Pink FIoyd?
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Well, ll wouldn 'I bave exisled
If il hartn 'I been for Syd.
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We would have been one of those
thousands and thousands of bands
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who come up and they play
blues and "Louie Louie".
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They might write the odd crappy
song and then they disappear.
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They get proper jobs
and that's the end of it.
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I rtlscDvered Plnk Floyd's muslc
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lhrougb lhe music
lhey marte In lhe lnle '70s.
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For people lhal gol
lnlo Plnk Ployrt at lhal polnl
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and were lislenlng
lo lhose recorrts flrsl,
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lhey knew lbal lhere hnrt been
lhis guy Syd In lhe band.
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The slory was always,
"Oh, be wenl mart anrt left lhe group."
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That's all we knew aboul ll.
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There was rellglous
acld laking al lbal llme.
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Syrt was one of lhe sort of
salnts of lhal unrterground cull.
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Flleralure anrt lbe Bible
for example, ls full of people
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who rtellberalely lsolalert lbemselves.
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The bermils who wenl lnlo lbe rtesert.
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People who had visions,
who preferred to be on their own.
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And others,
who having those experiences,
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were determined
to preach to the multitude.
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Tbe romanllc ideal is
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lbal a creallve persDn ls rtrawn
by somelhlng so powerful
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tbat be, or she, wlll follow lhal
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regarrtless of tbe prlce
lhnl has ID be palrt.
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These people are oul lhere In fronl.
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They're nDt looklng
over lhelr shoulder,
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lbey're just gonna do il.
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Syrt is lhe ulllmale kind of Ioner.
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Il's lhe same a llllle bll
wllh Brlan Jones or somelblng.
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I suppose whal ls sad
is aboul someborty
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who ls slill exlremely relevanl,
just rtecldes lo slop.
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It's OK when someone carries on
into irrelevance and then stops.
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No one cares.
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Tbe lasl tblng be was lnlereslert In
was explalnlng hlmself
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Anrt consequenlly, he became a flgure
of lnlense-focused lnleresl,
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because lhere was a myslery lhere.
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He's tbe perfecl gort, you see.
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A god must actually
be killed and eaten ,
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but then he must be reborn.
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Tbe life of Syrt Barrell,
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foundlng member of Plnk Ployrt,
is full of unanswerert questlons.
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Thougb he named lhe group
and wrole lhelr flrsl lwo hll songs,
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Barrell was laler pushed out
of lhe banrt by lls members,
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who were convlnced be was baving
an fSD-lnrtucedpsychollc breakdown.
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Bul ID examlne lbe complex
slory of Syd Barrell,
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Dne neerts lo lake a lrip.
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A lrlp back lo lbe plcluresque
and bislorlc
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Engllsb unlverslly lDwn of Cambridge.
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Roger Keilh Barrell was born in
Cambrldge on January 6lh I 946.
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One of five chllrtren,
closesl lo hls slsler Rosemary.
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He was always
wanling lbe nexl bll of fun.
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And if it didn't arrive,
then he'd make it.
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I can remember
Dnce al lhe dlnner lable,
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when he had a !lllle bit of cabbage
sllcklng oul Df bis moulh.
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He knew it was there and he kept it
there for the whole meal
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and pretended he didn't know.
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Of course, everybody was
giggling because his face was,
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"I know it's there,
I know you're Iaughing at me
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but I'm going to ignore it."
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Barrell's falher,
a palhologist and avlrt bolanlsl,
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encouraged lhe artisllc
leanings of hls son,
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who loved lo wrlle anrt draw.
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By lhe age of I 3 or I4,
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Roger hart acqulred lhe nickname yrt'
from bls friends al school.
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As legend bas ll,
after a local jazz bass player,
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Syd 'lhe beat' Barrelt.
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Al bDme he remalnert Roger or Rog.
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I'm speaking at this Ievel .
I'm speaking at this Ievel.
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Ok. This is slate three.
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I believe Storm's interview,
it's 08: 10.
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Big clap.
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My name is Slorm.
I knew Syd In lhe early '60s.
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We were bolh al lhe same scbDol
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as Roger and Dave,
wbo became Plnk Ployrt Dbvlously.
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The peer group In Cambrlrtge
lhal Syd was part of
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was full of asplring artlsls.
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Nol businessmen,
nol mertical, nol lawyers.
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Syd was nol unusual
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and seemert lo be
as be were one of lhe gang.
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Tbe group evolvert by ltself
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Noborty was really lhe learter.
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The cenlres of Seamus and Storm
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was slmply because lbelr molhers
were very lnrtulgent
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lowarrts leenage boys.
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Tbe start came al Cherry Hlnlon
Roart al your mDtber's bDuse.
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I tended to be into
beer and jazz and students.
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Your lot were more into drugs
and rock music and cool people.
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I deny it totally.
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I wenl lo lhe cDunly hlgb school,
Cambrlrtgeshlre Hlgb School for boys,
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and was in the same year as Syd.
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We had lo choose belween
woortwork, melal work anrt nrt.
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SD I wenl lnlo lhe art class
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and there I discovered a bunch
of people who were useless.
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A leacher who was equnlly useless,
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bul one slurtenl
by lhe name of Roger Barrell,
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hart a flare way beyond his years.
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Tbe Chrislmas holirtay of I 96 I
was overshadowert
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by his falber's rtealh from cancer,
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just a montb
before Syrt's I 6lh blrthday.
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Syrt's famlly moves lo I 83 Hllls Roart.
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Libby Gausden llves
several houses up lbe streel.
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I mel Syrt, I lbink, in I 96 I.
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We 'rt have bolh been I 5.
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Where did you meel?
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I met him at Jesus Green ,
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which is a wonderful place
in Cambridge.
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I'd been swimming and diving
actually with Dave Gilmour.
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Afler lbe swlmmlng,
I came oul wllh some frlenrts
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anrt we were messing
aboul on lhe see-saw oulslrte.
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And I mel Syd lhere.
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He was kind,
he was gentle, he was generous,
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he llked buylng presenls.
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He wrole lo me all lbe llme.
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I hart always lhougbl of you
as Syd's flrsl major glrlfrlenrt.
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We were always logelher.
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Wben you wenl oul wltb hlm
how was he ?
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It always looked like he was full
of the joys of spring , which he was.
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Fel's go back,
way back lo lhe early '60s.
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Whal ls your abldlng memory of Syrt?
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Just a guy who was fiercely
intelligent and Ioads of fun.
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Life was just loo easy
for hlm really In a way.
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He had huge gifts
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which were natural to him
so he did n't see them as huge.
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Everything he turned
his hand to worked.
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The girls worked , the painting
worked , the music worked ,
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the friendships worked.
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I always remember Syrt's balr.
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- DD you?
- Yeab.
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- Curly, black.
- Yenh, lDvely.
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Anrt I nlso remember his walk.
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- He smelled nice.
- Sorry?
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He smelled nice.
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You could see
lhls exlraordlnary buoyancy
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whlch was mosl clearly
evlrtencert In tbe way be wa!ked.
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He walked with a bounce,
he walked on the front of his feet
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with his heels
off the ground all the time.
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You cDuld spol him several
bunrtrert yards away In Cambrldge
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wanderlng up lbe slreel.
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We usert lo go on my Vespa
rtDwn to Hllls Road
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for lhese Sunrtay aflernoon
jam sesslons,
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where I saw Syrtplaylng
gullar for lhe firsl llme.
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The muslc sirte of lbe slory
really begins
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wilh Geoff Moll Anrt The Molloes,
of whicb Syd was an augusl member.
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I remember when Syd
bought his first Futurama.
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It was bright red as I recalI
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and he used to Iearn
Duane Eddy things on it
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like "Walk Don't Run".
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We 'rt slarted lo go lo sbo In fondon
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anrt I remember sllllng on lhe lraln
havlng seen Gene Vlncenl.
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We sat there with a piece of paper
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and figured out
the amplification for the band
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that we were going to be.
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It had two VOX AC30s drawn on it.
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And we were going ,
"Well , the vocals and the bass
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and then this
can go through this one.
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The rhythm guitar...
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Will we have a keyboard?
Don't know, maybe."
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He used to appear at parties
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of which we had quite a lot of
in Cambridge at that time.
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He used lo play a lol of lhe songs
lbal later became songs on bls album.
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But because he was just
as he were one of the gang ,
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I don't think anybody
thought anything about him.
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He had lhls grln
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you coulrt mlslake for a smirk
bul it wasn 'I.
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Il was almosl llke be knew
somelhing you rtlrtn 'I know.
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He was one of those people
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that was part
of the crowd very much so
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and then the next minute,
he'd slipped away from a room.
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And ll'rt be, "Where's Syd?"
Noborty knows.
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Syd's enlhuslasm for palnllng
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sees hlm enrol al lhe Cambrirtge
School of Art In I 962.
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Slmullaneously, be rtlscDvers
Bealpoelry, Kerouac
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anrt rhylhm anrt blues.
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He gets lnlo The Bealles
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and sees
lhe Rolllng Slones In concert.
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He drew very often
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with a lovely kind of whirly
twirly drawing quality.
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Very refined line I would say.
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He seemert lo me a born painler
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anrt lo have really lhe lemperamenl
of a born palnler.
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SIightly recessive and contemplative.
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I had laken up pnlnllng.
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Davlrt Gale suggeslert tbat
we have an exblblllon lDgelber.
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It is our first venture
into commercial art.
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A lolal llure.
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- Did you sell anything?
- No, we sold nothing.
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We used to have
jam sessions with the guitar
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In lbe art school,
and laler, jolnert by Dave,
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In lhe common room
lo lhe whole lecbnlcal college.
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We lovert Bealles
anrt Slones and b!ues sluff
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Chuck anrt BD.
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I can remember learning "Come On".
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- The Stones.
- By the Stones.
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And "Off the Hook".
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I can see In my mlnrt lhe back bench
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agalnsl one of lhe walis
anrt people sllllng lhere
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at prDbably I 0..00 o 'clock In
lbe mornlng just slrumming away.
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Do you remember wbelber you were
lmpressert by bis palnllngs
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or by his personalily?
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I was more impressed
by his personality.
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He just looked like someborty
who was going places.
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He was qulle a slar in our small
firmamenl as ll was al lhe llme.
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He was very unusual ,
very interesting.
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The complete package
I believe you'd say.
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The complete package.
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Jenny rtenr,
when rtlrt you flrsl meel Syrt?
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And how was he ?
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I mel hlm In lhe Cambridge
Sludenl Unlon Cellars.
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He was playing with
a band called Those Without.
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He came up anrt sald bello
and lntrortucert blmself
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When rtid you slart going slearty?
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Well , a week Iater,
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a week after that,
he phoned me and said
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he would like
to meet up and have coffee.
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So I met him in the Guild.
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He wrole lo me anrt sairt
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lhal he'd rtrawn a plclure
of me leanlng agalnsl tbe bar.
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He sent this picture
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with a beautiful piece of pink
tissue paper written on it,
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"I love you , I love you .
I can't stop thinking about you ."
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How long did you go oul wilb hlm ?
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I probably saw him nearly
every day from '5 I lo '63.
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I think he went
to art school in London in '64,
252
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so that was a bit of a messy year.
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In Seplember I 964,
Syrt moves lo Lonrton.
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I n 1960, whatever it was,
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he duly arrived
and he moved into the apartment
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that I was already sharing
with N ick Mason and Rick Wright.
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- Mike Leonard's place?
- M ike Leonard's place.
258
00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:22,948
We were Leonard's Lodgers.
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00:16:27,686 --> 00:16:29,621
Bob Klose was In tbe banrt.
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As soon as Syrt arrivert lblngs changed
because Syrt had olher asplrallons.
261
00:16:36,461 --> 00:16:39,764
Syrt lunert lnlD
lhal wbole wesl coasl lblng.
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If you asked me, "What did Love do?"
I'd go, "I have no fuckin' idea."
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But I know Syd did.
264
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He was one of lhe mosl
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emollonally anrt lnlelleclually
curious people
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lhal I've ever mel.
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Glgging unrter varlous names,
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lhe ArcbllecluralAbdabs
anrt Tbe Tea Sel,
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Syrt renames lhelr banrt
lhe Plnk Floyrt Sound
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by comblnlng lhe names
of lwo obscure blues men,
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Plnk AndersDn anrt Floyd Councll.
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Bob Klose leaves lbe banrt
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as tbey slart movlng
lowards more lmprovlsed muslc
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largely as backlng lracks lo tbelr
lncreasingly elaborale llgbl shows.
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00:17:17,969 --> 00:17:21,973
Syrt slarts lo wrlle songs
lncludlng "Lel's Roll Anolber One '
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wblch laler becomes
"Canrty anrt a Curranl Bun "
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anrt "Bob Dylan Blues ".
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The banrt becomes solirtified
wllb Syrt on gultar,
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RDger Walers on bass,
Rlck Wrlghl on keyboards
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anrt Nlck MasDn Dn drums.
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00:17:39,824 --> 00:17:43,862
When you were al Camberwell wilb Syrt,
whal klnd of guy was he ?
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The lhlng lhal I really remember
is bls lnnocence.
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All this very glamorous
dark curly hair, very alive eyes
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and a general air
of glamour about him.
285
00:17:57,008 --> 00:17:59,978
But he had this innocence
almost like a child.
286
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He palnlert wllb greal energy,
lerrific sense of colour.
287
00:18:05,917 --> 00:18:09,754
And whal I remember is blg,
verypainlerly abstraclpalnllngs.
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Towards lhe enrt of lhal flrsl year,
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he wenl ID Robert Mertley,
wbo was heart of palnllng.
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He sald lo Robert,
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00:18:19,130 --> 00:18:23,335
'Al lhe momenl wllh my group
I'm gelllng 200 pounds a week."
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- A lol of money.
- A fortune really.
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00:18:25,403 --> 00:18:29,074
He sairt, "Coulrt I posslbly have
lbe year o have a sabballcal?"
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00:18:32,611 --> 00:18:35,714
His college wDrk was lmportanl
and he'd wrlte lo me and say,
295
00:18:35,780 --> 00:18:38,783
"I've gol lo do a palnllng lhis slze
so I can slay on nexl year,
296
00:18:38,850 --> 00:18:41,119
bul I wrole lhls really nlce song."
297
00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,622
So did Syd then leave for a year?
298
00:18:44,456 --> 00:18:46,157
He left and he didn't come back.
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00:19:03,942 --> 00:19:07,979
Havlng lefl art school lhere are
a lol of lhlngs lhal I could rto,
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00:19:08,046 --> 00:19:10,982
a Iol of lhlngs I see now,
a lol of lhlngs lhal went lnlo me,
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00:19:12,951 --> 00:19:18,223
tblnklng lhal lbese were perhaps
changlng and alterlng lhlngs.
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00:19:56,928 --> 00:19:59,464
Roger Kellh Barrell,
asplrlng palnler,
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00:19:59,531 --> 00:20:03,535
rtrops oul of art school sD lhal Syrt
Barrell, pop slar, may be born.
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00:20:04,402 --> 00:20:07,238
Before long, Barrell would flnrt
hlmselfal lbe eplcenlre
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00:20:07,305 --> 00:20:09,941
of lbe biggesl unrterground
movemenl ever lo hll Brllaln.
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You've got a bright future.
307
00:20:26,424 --> 00:20:28,326
There's a general
sea change that goes on
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00:20:28,393 --> 00:20:31,296
in English music anyway
during 1965, '66.
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00:20:31,362 --> 00:20:33,965
You get a band like The Paramounts
turning to Procol Harum
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00:20:34,032 --> 00:20:36,134
and stop doing
cover versions of Poison Ivy.
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00:20:36,201 --> 00:20:38,937
And within two years they're
doing "A Whiter Shade of Pale...
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I lhlnk Syrt is al lbe very
culllng ertge of lhal movement.
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00:20:43,508 --> 00:20:45,877
I lhlnk Syrt's one
of lhe firsl ones who lransrms
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00:20:45,944 --> 00:20:50,849
from just copylng R&B to aclually
doing somelhlng ullerly new.
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00:20:53,118 --> 00:20:56,855
We were readlng
Alan Wnlls, Marvel comics,
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00:20:56,921 --> 00:21:01,259
Kerouac and Cybernellcs,
all al lbe same lime.
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00:21:01,593 --> 00:21:04,929
Syrt was an exlraorrtlnarlly
quick absorber.
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It was just a series of,
"Look at this.
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Listen to this.
What about this?"
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00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:11,870
And it was just
going on and on and on and on.
321
00:21:11,936 --> 00:21:15,140
All of the arts,
all simultaneously
322
00:21:15,206 --> 00:21:18,443
and then we can just throw
LSD into the mix if you feel like it.
323
00:21:55,213 --> 00:21:57,515
There was a lot of rumours
going around
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00:21:57,582 --> 00:21:59,017
that acid can damage your brain.
325
00:21:59,083 --> 00:22:00,985
And hippies would say,
"It's just the CIA, man.
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00:22:01,052 --> 00:22:03,221
They're just saying that
to stop you taking acid ,
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00:22:03,288 --> 00:22:04,789
to stop you eating Iive kittens."
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00:22:05,723 --> 00:22:07,892
Accorrting lo all lhe accounls
lhal I've reart,
329
00:22:07,959 --> 00:22:10,361
everybody was on aclrt
in my parenls back garrten.
330
00:22:11,262 --> 00:22:12,463
Tbls is nol lrue.
331
00:22:12,530 --> 00:22:14,632
I lhink lhe only person
lbere who was on aclrt...
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00:22:14,699 --> 00:22:18,203
Maybe lwo people were,
Paul Charrler nnd Sunny Syrt.
333
00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:20,839
I believe there was a water fight.
334
00:22:20,939 --> 00:22:24,509
The bathroom window
on the top floor banged open.
335
00:22:24,576 --> 00:22:26,778
There were shouts of joy
336
00:22:26,845 --> 00:22:29,214
and we saw water
coming out of the window.
337
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,585
Paul Charrier wielding the rose
of the shower spraying Syd.
338
00:22:33,985 --> 00:22:36,421
They were just mucklng aboul
llke slx-year-olrts.
339
00:22:37,589 --> 00:22:39,724
People were hanglng
arounrt In lhe garrten.
340
00:22:39,791 --> 00:22:43,661
Syd wenl lnlo lhe kllchen
of lhe house, found a box of malches,
341
00:22:43,728 --> 00:22:47,832
an orange anrt a plum,
sal rtown and lookert al lhem.
342
00:22:48,233 --> 00:22:51,703
Most of the time, what I remember
is Syd sitting quietly
343
00:22:51,769 --> 00:22:54,172
in the back garden
of Dave Gale's house
344
00:22:54,239 --> 00:22:55,940
holding and examining these objects.
345
00:22:56,007 --> 00:22:58,610
Al lhal lime, everybody
was rtropping acld In fondon.
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00:22:58,676 --> 00:23:00,745
Bul nDl everyborty's
rtropplng acld like he was.
347
00:23:00,812 --> 00:23:02,380
Bul he wasn 'I lhe only one.
348
00:23:02,547 --> 00:23:06,050
And there was a lot of
discussion about how to take it.
349
00:23:06,117 --> 00:23:11,389
Is there a big difference between
50 milligrams a day or 100 or 250?
350
00:23:11,456 --> 00:23:14,792
How many times a day?
Once, twice or three times?
351
00:23:14,859 --> 00:23:19,464
Is there a real difference between
250 milligrams and 500 milligrams?
352
00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:21,399
Aclrt was lbe rtrug of lbe tlme.
353
00:23:21,466 --> 00:23:24,269
Self-realisation ,
speaking to God through acid ,
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00:23:24,369 --> 00:23:28,239
is the danger of opening doors
355
00:23:28,306 --> 00:23:30,675
before you've spent
30 years in solitude
356
00:23:30,742 --> 00:23:33,077
and preparing your soul
and your spirit ready
357
00:23:33,144 --> 00:23:35,079
for the big meeting with Big G.
358
00:23:35,146 --> 00:23:37,048
That was one
of the problems with acid.
359
00:23:37,115 --> 00:23:40,285
It whooshed you right through
that 30 years of preparation ,
360
00:23:40,351 --> 00:23:41,452
opened the door and bang!
361
00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:44,022
There you are at the centre
of the celestial universe.
362
00:23:44,088 --> 00:23:45,223
Deal with it my son.
363
00:23:45,323 --> 00:23:49,027
Anrt lwo bours before you were eallng
fish anrt chlps rtown lbe corner.
364
00:23:57,035 --> 00:24:00,905
He really rtlrt feel
lbal lbe psycbertellc revolutlon
365
00:24:00,972 --> 00:24:03,708
was flowlng rlghl lhrough his borty.
366
00:24:03,775 --> 00:24:07,045
He rtid feel he was almost
possessert agalnsl bls wlll.
367
00:24:07,111 --> 00:24:10,648
You know lhal slory, "If you can
remember lhe '60s you weren 'I lbere."
368
00:24:10,715 --> 00:24:14,819
It was the destruction of the rational ,
predictable, material world.
369
00:24:16,487 --> 00:24:19,424
So called reallly
was Dnly one of many.
370
00:24:32,403 --> 00:24:36,140
I 966 is lhe year
lhe doors come Dff lhe hlnges.
371
00:24:36,574 --> 00:24:39,944
Fuellert by experlmenlallon
wilh mind-expanrting rtrugs
372
00:24:40,011 --> 00:24:42,113
flowlng lhrougb lhe counler culture,
373
00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:44,916
lhe seismic upbeaval
of post-war Brllish soclely
374
00:24:44,983 --> 00:24:49,754
sprearts frDm pollllcs anrt art,
lo shlon and muslc.
375
00:24:50,421 --> 00:24:52,323
Everyborty was laklng lDts of drugs.
376
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:56,060
People Iiked these long things
that you could really get into,
377
00:24:56,127 --> 00:24:57,695
which strung you out
378
00:24:57,762 --> 00:25:01,466
and took you very slowly through
various climactic trajectories.
379
00:25:05,970 --> 00:25:08,506
We all llked Love's album
whlch was really good.
380
00:25:08,573 --> 00:25:11,509
I was just saylng lo hlm, "I really !ove
lbal song wblch goes.. ."
381
00:25:11,576 --> 00:25:13,511
Da-da-da-da-da
da-da-da.
382
00:25:13,644 --> 00:25:16,147
Done In lbe "flllle Red Book'
or somelblng Ilke lhal.
383
00:25:16,214 --> 00:25:18,349
I can 'I slng In tune lo save my llfe.
384
00:25:18,416 --> 00:25:21,185
Syd salrt, "You mean like lhis ?"
And be played ll.
385
00:25:21,819 --> 00:25:24,789
That's whal became
"lnlerstellar Overrtrlve '
386
00:25:24,889 --> 00:25:31,429
It was that riff mangled by me
and then reinterpreted by Syd.
387
00:25:44,842 --> 00:25:48,880
The blg lbing In lhose days was
Prlrtay nlgbl al lhe UFO club.
388
00:25:48,946 --> 00:25:52,683
Nol only dlrt you have Plnk Ployrt,
yDu hart Tbe Sofl Machlne
389
00:25:52,750 --> 00:25:54,852
anrt lhe Crazy Worlrt of Artbur BrDwn.
390
00:25:54,919 --> 00:25:56,854
"Fire."
Da-da-da, da-da.
391
00:25:57,555 --> 00:26:02,593
Pele wDuld have been supplylng
a psychedellc projecllon apparalus
392
00:26:02,660 --> 00:26:05,296
lo lhe increaslngly
glgglng Plnk Ployrt.
393
00:26:05,363 --> 00:26:08,166
Were you as exclled by lbls
as were lhe audlence ?
394
00:26:09,167 --> 00:26:11,602
I don't know about the audience,
I never gave them a thought.
395
00:26:11,936 --> 00:26:13,771
I remember being in the aud ience
396
00:26:13,838 --> 00:26:16,541
thinking this was probably
the centre of the universe.
397
00:26:16,607 --> 00:26:17,842
Yes it was, indeed.
398
00:26:21,646 --> 00:26:25,516
The Dnly llme I've ever rtellberalely
missed a glg wilb Tbe WbD,
399
00:26:25,583 --> 00:26:28,119
was I hearrt lhal Plnk Ployrt
were rtolng a concert
400
00:26:28,186 --> 00:26:29,654
and rtlrtn 'I lell lhe band.
401
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,890
So the band went and I went
to the U FO club with Eric
402
00:26:32,957 --> 00:26:35,226
and took some acid
and danced like a hippie.
403
00:26:40,364 --> 00:26:43,434
The band bart come oul
wllh lhis lnlerestlng rlg,
404
00:26:43,501 --> 00:26:47,438
wblch was lwo Blnson Echorec unlls.
405
00:26:48,172 --> 00:26:51,209
Tbey were considerert lo be
an echo box from lhe era of..
406
00:26:51,375 --> 00:26:53,778
Dow-dow, dow-dow-dow.
407
00:26:54,178 --> 00:26:56,280
Nobody used them.
408
00:26:56,347 --> 00:26:59,617
Certainly J imi Hendrix
d id not use an echo box
409
00:26:59,684 --> 00:27:04,455
and neither did I , and neither did
Eric Clapton or J immy Page.
410
00:27:04,522 --> 00:27:05,590
Nobody used them.
411
00:27:06,057 --> 00:27:08,259
But Syd had not just one but two.
412
00:27:08,326 --> 00:27:12,330
He came oul, he had a shock of
blnck balr, black makeup on bls eyes
413
00:27:12,396 --> 00:27:15,500
anrt lbe clolhes he was wearlng
were proper psychedellc oulflts.
414
00:27:15,566 --> 00:27:17,502
Anrt he was beaullful.
415
00:27:17,835 --> 00:27:20,805
He plays a chord
and it just goes, jang!
416
00:27:20,872 --> 00:27:22,306
And then nothing happens.
417
00:27:22,373 --> 00:27:24,542
So he pushes
some buttons on this machine,
418
00:27:24,609 --> 00:27:25,910
plays another chord , jang!
419
00:27:25,977 --> 00:27:28,980
Nothing happens, he pushes another
couple of buttons on the machine
420
00:27:29,046 --> 00:27:30,114
and suddenly it goes...
421
00:27:30,181 --> 00:27:37,622
Da-na-na, da-da-da
wo-wo-wo-wo...
422
00:27:37,989 --> 00:27:40,525
His analogue echo degrartes.
423
00:27:40,591 --> 00:27:42,693
He pushes another button
on the other machine,
424
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,230
and it goes into, what we call
in the music business, syncopated echo.
425
00:27:46,297 --> 00:27:47,265
It goes...
426
00:27:47,331 --> 00:27:50,101
Pow-pow-pow-pow, pa-pa-pa-pa,
pow, pa-pa-pa-pa, pow.
427
00:27:50,168 --> 00:27:52,036
Pa-pa-pa-pa, pow,
pa-pa-pa-pa, pow.
428
00:27:52,136 --> 00:27:56,274
Nlck Mason slarts lo play
anrt lhen Roger Walers slarts lo play
429
00:27:56,340 --> 00:27:58,776
anrt ll just lurns lnlo
whal can only be rtescrlbed
430
00:27:58,843 --> 00:28:01,045
as speclacular
psychertelic beavy melal.
431
00:28:36,147 --> 00:28:39,383
Somelhlng sudrtenly klcks In.
I rton 'I lhink ll's even grartual.
432
00:28:41,118 --> 00:28:42,753
Yes, you can say ll's LSD.
433
00:28:42,820 --> 00:28:45,856
Yes, you can say it's the echoplex,
it's the Iight shows.
434
00:28:45,923 --> 00:28:48,826
There's all these interesting
environmental things going on
435
00:28:48,893 --> 00:28:51,262
in and around the music,
but really it's Syd.
436
00:28:51,862 --> 00:28:54,298
The way lhe acl's developed
In lhe lasl slx monlhs
437
00:28:54,365 --> 00:28:57,335
has been lnfluencert by lhe facl
lhal we've playert In ballrooms.
438
00:28:58,169 --> 00:29:00,471
I lhlnk concerts have glven us
a cbance lo realise
439
00:29:00,538 --> 00:29:05,910
lhal lhe muslc we play isn 'I
rtlrecled al rtanclng necessarlly
440
00:29:05,977 --> 00:29:07,178
like normal pDp groups.
441
00:29:27,465 --> 00:29:32,903
Syrt deflnert lhe wbDle
of lhal momenl In lhe '60s.
442
00:29:33,504 --> 00:29:37,975
The colour, the vivacity of it,
the psychedelic freedom.
443
00:29:39,210 --> 00:29:42,613
Wllboul Syrt, sDmelhlng
mlghl bave bappenert evenlually.
444
00:29:42,713 --> 00:29:45,316
You could n't over emphasize
his importance
445
00:29:45,383 --> 00:29:48,919
because he was the creative genius.
446
00:30:08,172 --> 00:30:10,007
I remember sltllng wllh him
447
00:30:10,074 --> 00:30:11,876
whlle he was looking
lnlo lhe slars book
448
00:30:11,942 --> 00:30:15,846
and gelllng 'Aslronomy Domlne " lhlng,
wblch I hnrt lo reart In lbe slurtio,
449
00:30:15,913 --> 00:30:18,382
whicb he just look oul
of a book, anrt I lDve lhal.
450
00:30:19,016 --> 00:30:22,420
Tbey were so lolally
anrt unbellevably orlglnal.
451
00:30:22,486 --> 00:30:25,489
You coulrt say lhal lbe varlous
lecbnologles were available,
452
00:30:25,556 --> 00:30:27,858
!lke Hammond organs
and lbis anrt lhal and lhe olher,
453
00:30:27,925 --> 00:30:31,996
whlch gave lhem lbe opportunily
of mlxlng popular muslc
454
00:30:32,063 --> 00:30:36,267
wilh melapbyslcal lrteas
and sclence ficllon ideas.
455
00:30:37,001 --> 00:30:40,905
The FIoyd were never doing
" 19th Nervous Breakdown"
456
00:30:40,971 --> 00:30:43,441
or "I Can't Get No Satisfaction".
457
00:30:52,049 --> 00:30:54,752
Why has it all got
to be so terribly Ioud?
458
00:30:54,819 --> 00:30:57,555
For me, frankly it's too Ioud .
I just can't bear it.
459
00:30:57,621 --> 00:31:01,058
I happen to have grown up in the string
quartet which is a bit softer.
460
00:31:01,125 --> 00:31:04,628
If one gets immune
to this kind of sound ,
461
00:31:04,695 --> 00:31:08,432
one may find it difficult to appreciate
softer types of sound.
462
00:31:08,499 --> 00:31:09,600
Syd , yes, no?
463
00:31:10,167 --> 00:31:12,403
- I don't think that's so.
- No?
464
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:15,840
Everybody Iistens, we don't need it
very Ioud to be able to hear it.
465
00:31:15,906 --> 00:31:17,641
And with some of it
is very quiet in fact.
466
00:31:17,708 --> 00:31:21,078
Do you in your turn feel aggressive
towards your audiences?
467
00:31:21,145 --> 00:31:22,246
No, not at all.
468
00:31:22,313 --> 00:31:24,548
I n spite of all the Ioudness?
469
00:31:24,615 --> 00:31:27,318
- No, not at all .
- Sorry?
470
00:31:27,385 --> 00:31:31,922
There's not many young people
who dislike it.
471
00:31:31,989 --> 00:31:35,493
- There's no shock treatment intended .
- No, certainly not.
472
00:31:53,878 --> 00:31:56,046
When Syd Barrett
started writing for Pink FIoyd ,
473
00:31:56,113 --> 00:31:58,082
he seemed to give it
this very English voice,
474
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:59,650
which was quite unusual at the time.
475
00:31:59,717 --> 00:32:01,452
The Kinks were doing that,
I guess, as well.
476
00:32:07,558 --> 00:32:11,495
He had a big attachment
to more intellectual realms,
477
00:32:11,562 --> 00:32:14,732
to lhe whole Hilalre Belloc lhlng
and lo fewls Carroll.
478
00:32:15,499 --> 00:32:17,935
He has a strange bridge
479
00:32:18,002 --> 00:32:23,307
between Edwardian musical ,
Vaudeville,
480
00:32:23,374 --> 00:32:26,877
and his own particular
brand of English psychedelia.
481
00:32:27,178 --> 00:32:29,280
When you heard that music,
it was in colour.
482
00:32:29,346 --> 00:32:31,315
Everything else
was in black and white.
483
00:32:33,417 --> 00:32:34,885
He's lhe fake Poels.
484
00:32:34,952 --> 00:32:38,122
He's an English romantic
of the 19th century.
485
00:32:38,189 --> 00:32:40,224
He was not London 1966.
486
00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:41,826
Bul be was Lonrton /956.
487
00:32:41,892 --> 00:32:44,595
He happened lo be,
bul lhal was a cloak he wore.
488
00:32:51,135 --> 00:32:53,504
In hls lyrics, lbere's a lol
of anlmal references.
489
00:32:53,571 --> 00:32:55,940
Tbere's a mouse called Oerald,
lhere's lhe elephanl,
490
00:32:56,006 --> 00:32:58,809
there's fairies, there's scarecrows,
there's cats.
491
00:32:58,876 --> 00:33:01,412
Il's a worlrt lhal I was
always fasclnaled wllh.
492
00:33:03,047 --> 00:33:05,649
In bls songs
we have a palnlerly vlslon.
493
00:33:05,716 --> 00:33:08,385
He evokes very slrongly
references lo sun,
494
00:33:08,452 --> 00:33:12,756
lo shlnlng, lo sea,
lo sparkles, lo waler.
495
00:33:12,823 --> 00:33:14,658
All lbese lhlngs
run lhrough hls songs
496
00:33:14,725 --> 00:33:16,594
like a perpelual contlnuous lhreart.
497
00:33:16,660 --> 00:33:18,128
Syrt ls a nalure poel.
498
00:33:19,697 --> 00:33:21,665
I bearrt al one polnl
lhal hls whole dlet
499
00:33:21,732 --> 00:33:23,801
conslslert of hasb and poelry.
500
00:33:23,868 --> 00:33:28,205
I think I tried to do that
at some point in my 20s.
501
00:33:30,975 --> 00:33:34,778
He's the original pu nk rock icon
in what pu nk rock meant to me,
502
00:33:34,845 --> 00:33:39,149
which was sort of breaking all
the rules and having fun with it
503
00:33:39,216 --> 00:33:41,118
and the spirit of play.
504
00:33:47,291 --> 00:33:51,262
To look good, ID be able lo play gullar,
lo lnvent good melorties,
505
00:33:51,328 --> 00:33:56,901
and also to produce lyrics
that made you think.
506
00:33:56,967 --> 00:34:00,771
Il's a very pDwerful sel of lools
lo have al your rtlsposal.
507
00:34:01,639 --> 00:34:04,975
Syd hart all lhls
churning around In his mlnrt,
508
00:34:05,042 --> 00:34:07,077
llke lhe resl of us did,
509
00:34:07,144 --> 00:34:12,016
bul be mnkes connecllons lhal
are so unexpeclert and strnnge
510
00:34:12,082 --> 00:34:16,854
lhal no Dne else In lhe world
could bave made lhose connecllons.
511
00:34:17,655 --> 00:34:19,623
Even early songs
like "Bike" for instance.
512
00:34:19,823 --> 00:34:21,125
He'd written about a bike,
513
00:34:21,191 --> 00:34:24,261
which of course is not a subject
that most lyricists write about.
514
00:34:24,328 --> 00:34:28,399
They write about love
or death or illness or loss.
515
00:34:29,867 --> 00:34:31,902
"I've got a bike,
you can ride it if you like."
516
00:34:31,969 --> 00:34:34,572
"It's got a basket, a bell , a ring
and things that make it look good ."
517
00:34:34,638 --> 00:34:36,774
"I'd give it to you if I could ,
but I borrowed it."
518
00:34:37,608 --> 00:34:39,043
Where does this come from?
519
00:34:39,143 --> 00:34:40,611
Every verse is like that I think.
520
00:34:55,426 --> 00:34:57,061
I suppose lblngs llke "Blke "
521
00:34:57,127 --> 00:34:59,163
was more of a slruclurert
lhlng happenlng,
522
00:34:59,229 --> 00:35:01,131
bul sonlcally lowards lhe enrt,
523
00:35:01,198 --> 00:35:03,834
I've never really bearrt
anylhing like lhal.
524
00:35:05,269 --> 00:35:08,405
A sort of oversaturation
of sounds, clocks,
525
00:35:08,472 --> 00:35:13,277
and then this
kind of repetitive sound
526
00:35:13,344 --> 00:35:16,413
that sou nded like a goose
attacking you.
527
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,816
- Like a what?
- Like a goose attacking.
528
00:35:18,882 --> 00:35:20,217
Going into attack mode.
529
00:35:20,951 --> 00:35:21,986
Quite d isturbing.
530
00:35:26,490 --> 00:35:28,492
The way LSD works, we now know,
531
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,561
is it stimulates
receptors in the brain
532
00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:33,097
called serotonin receptors.
533
00:35:33,163 --> 00:35:35,566
But a particular subtype
of serotonin receptor
534
00:35:35,633 --> 00:35:39,036
called the 5-HT
or serotonin 2A receptor.
535
00:35:41,472 --> 00:35:44,541
Psychertelic rtrugs llke fSD
all work Dn lhose receplors
536
00:35:44,608 --> 00:35:48,112
anrt whal lhey do ls
lo lnlerrupl lbe lrartillonal way
537
00:35:48,178 --> 00:35:49,713
In whlch tbe braln ls organlsed.
538
00:35:50,881 --> 00:35:54,618
Everylhing we rto ls orcheslralert
In a very reflexlve habllual way.
539
00:35:54,685 --> 00:35:57,554
FSD, by lurnlng on
tbose receplors disrupts lbal.
540
00:35:59,156 --> 00:36:01,825
Whal lhen bappens ls tbat
your braln ralber lban dolng
541
00:36:01,892 --> 00:36:05,295
wbat ll's been tolrt lo rto by habll,
slarts lo do ils own lhlng.
542
00:36:08,499 --> 00:36:12,202
If you have regular conversations
with God , or the angels
543
00:36:12,269 --> 00:36:14,171
and they're saying
pleasant things to you ,
544
00:36:14,238 --> 00:36:17,041
telling you how great you are,
you don't want to lose that.
545
00:36:17,908 --> 00:36:20,244
On the other hand ,
if you're tormented by devils
546
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:22,513
or other persecutors,
547
00:36:22,579 --> 00:36:26,350
you may nevertheless feel
that you're important enough
548
00:36:26,417 --> 00:36:28,552
for the devil to take
an interest in you.
549
00:36:28,619 --> 00:36:31,188
And that might give you enough kudos
550
00:36:31,255 --> 00:36:35,826
to carry on with this situation
without telling other people.
551
00:36:38,429 --> 00:36:42,599
Tbere's a lol of lnleresl in balance
belween right braln and lefl brnln.
552
00:36:42,666 --> 00:36:44,034
I n very simplistic terms,
553
00:36:44,101 --> 00:36:47,938
the right brain is
the more creative, whole picture side.
554
00:36:48,005 --> 00:36:51,175
The left brain is
the more focused , analytical side.
555
00:36:51,241 --> 00:36:54,678
There's a little saying that
the problems in psychology are
556
00:36:54,745 --> 00:36:58,482
when the right brain's got nothing left
and the left brain's got nothing right.
557
00:36:58,549 --> 00:37:02,419
Anrt lbere ls a lol
of lnleresllng discusslon
558
00:37:02,486 --> 00:37:05,222
aboul lhe llnk belween
creallvlly and menlal lllness.
559
00:37:05,756 --> 00:37:07,658
Carl Jung , the psychologist,
560
00:37:07,725 --> 00:37:09,893
had this great insight
where he talked about,
561
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,363
from his studies,
of breakdown , mental illness,
562
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:15,766
he called it a "failed initiation".
563
00:37:15,833 --> 00:37:17,000
What he meant by that,
564
00:37:17,067 --> 00:37:19,336
which I think was a really
interesting thing to say,
565
00:37:19,403 --> 00:37:23,040
was that often a breakdown
is an attempt at a breakthrough.
566
00:37:23,107 --> 00:37:25,709
It's an attempt to come into
a new form of consciousness.
567
00:37:25,776 --> 00:37:29,146
And it's either premature
or in some way it falters.
568
00:37:34,585 --> 00:37:38,288
I remember one partlcular inlerlurte
where we went lo see lhe Masler,
569
00:37:38,355 --> 00:37:40,691
lhnl's Cbaran Singb Jl.
570
00:37:40,758 --> 00:37:43,660
Which was a guru that we were
all thinking of following
571
00:37:43,727 --> 00:37:46,697
in the heady days of psychedelia.
572
00:37:46,797 --> 00:37:51,201
A few people there and then said
they wanted to become 'initiated'.
573
00:37:51,268 --> 00:37:52,736
I don't like the word but anyway.
574
00:37:52,836 --> 00:37:54,571
Syd had asked for initiation
575
00:37:54,638 --> 00:37:57,274
and the Master
had said it's too early.
576
00:37:58,375 --> 00:38:00,177
Dlrt you know wby he said lhal?
577
00:38:00,244 --> 00:38:03,647
Well, lhere's qulle of a lol
of commllmenl In Sanl Mal,
578
00:38:03,714 --> 00:38:06,016
wblch ls vegelarlanlsm,
579
00:38:06,083 --> 00:38:08,685
and abslalnlng
from mlnd allerlng subslances.
580
00:38:09,286 --> 00:38:12,322
Is ilposslble
tbat lhe rejecllon affeclert Syd?
581
00:38:12,389 --> 00:38:14,491
Rejecllon affects us all.
582
00:38:15,425 --> 00:38:17,361
I lhlnk Charan Slngb...
583
00:38:17,427 --> 00:38:19,329
I dDn 'I know how deep
bls lnslghls were,
584
00:38:19,396 --> 00:38:20,397
I tblnk he hart a lol,
585
00:38:20,464 --> 00:38:22,966
bul maybe be coulrt see
wbat was gDlng ID bappen lo Syrt.
586
00:38:25,035 --> 00:38:27,437
When you broke up,
did you rto ll or dlrt he do lt?
587
00:38:27,504 --> 00:38:28,672
Il was me, I'm afrald.
588
00:38:28,739 --> 00:38:31,742
He was a great lover, a good
boyfriend and you got rid of him?
589
00:38:31,809 --> 00:38:32,609
Yeah.
590
00:38:32,676 --> 00:38:34,444
Explain this to me, Jennifer Spires.
591
00:38:34,511 --> 00:38:37,447
In lbe early days, he was lovely
'cause be was very calm,
592
00:38:37,514 --> 00:38:38,515
he was an artlsl.
593
00:38:38,582 --> 00:38:40,684
I got on the train
at Cambridge at one end
594
00:38:40,751 --> 00:38:42,986
and Syd got on the train
at the other end.
595
00:38:44,655 --> 00:38:47,324
That's bow we slartert llvlng
al number 2 Earlbam slreel.
596
00:38:48,292 --> 00:38:53,030
The wbole clan wenl
from lbere lo I 0 / Cromwell Roart.
597
00:38:53,764 --> 00:38:55,966
101 Cromwell Road!
598
00:38:56,033 --> 00:38:58,068
A den of iniquity if ever there was.
599
00:38:58,135 --> 00:38:59,336
Extraordinary place.
600
00:38:59,403 --> 00:39:02,239
They'rt just puff away
al lbese enormous jolnts
601
00:39:02,306 --> 00:39:04,007
and gel complelely
oul of lbelr heads.
602
00:39:04,074 --> 00:39:06,410
I feel woozy even lhlnking about ll.
603
00:39:07,077 --> 00:39:10,180
You see Syd, anrt lhe Pink Ployrt
were really beglnnlng lben
604
00:39:10,247 --> 00:39:12,082
anrt lhlngs were laklng off
605
00:39:12,149 --> 00:39:14,885
I lhlnk lben, he was just
loslng lhe plol sllgblly.
606
00:39:15,385 --> 00:39:19,089
I remember we had a cat called Rover.
Well , that was Syd , wasn't it?
607
00:39:28,232 --> 00:39:30,567
The Plnk Floyrt sound
was a perfecl malch
608
00:39:30,634 --> 00:39:34,204
for lhe sponlaneous undergrounrt
anrt lls mulllmedla evenls.
609
00:39:35,038 --> 00:39:37,541
Wllh Barrell's
song wrlling oulput flourlshlng,
610
00:39:37,608 --> 00:39:39,543
lhe Plnk Floyrt were on lheir way.
611
00:40:00,364 --> 00:40:03,066
Glgging a punishing
four or flve nlghls a week,
612
00:40:03,133 --> 00:40:05,836
lbe group ls approacbed
by Peler Jenner and Andrew Klng,
613
00:40:05,903 --> 00:40:08,405
wbD promislng lo buy lhe banrt
some new equlpmenl,
614
00:40:08,472 --> 00:40:09,573
becDme lhelr managers.
615
00:40:10,507 --> 00:40:13,377
Klng anrt Jenner scbeme lo gel
tbe banrt a recDrd conlracl
616
00:40:13,443 --> 00:40:17,014
by recordlng a few rtemo lracks
wilh American producer JDe Boyd,
617
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,018
who also runs lhe legendary UFO club
wltb John 'Hoppy' Hopklns.
618
00:40:22,152 --> 00:40:27,457
The plan works and Plnk Floyd slgn
lo EMl Records In Pebruary I 967.
619
00:40:28,792 --> 00:40:31,929
The very next rtay tbey begln
recordlng fDr tbelr rtebul album,
620
00:40:31,995 --> 00:40:35,699
"The Plper at lhe Oates of Dawn "
wllb Norman Smilh al Abbey Road.
621
00:40:36,466 --> 00:40:37,734
In lhe slurtlo nexl rtoor,
622
00:40:37,801 --> 00:40:41,038
The Beatles are making
lheir lanrtmark LP 'ergeanl Pepper'
623
00:40:41,772 --> 00:40:44,308
There were a few casual songs
be 'rt wrlllen early.
624
00:40:44,374 --> 00:40:46,777
Bul lhe one
wblch I'rt call lhe firsl real,
625
00:40:46,877 --> 00:40:50,547
showing 'where we were going song'
was "Arnold Layne".
626
00:40:51,949 --> 00:40:55,152
"Arnolrt fayne " is releasert as
a single on lhe I 0lb of March.
627
00:41:10,267 --> 00:41:12,336
Syd workert very hard
al "Arnold fayne '
628
00:41:12,402 --> 00:41:15,072
He lold me ll had laken hlm
a couple of monlhs
629
00:41:15,138 --> 00:41:17,607
to write the Iyric, to get it
just the way he wanted it.
630
00:41:17,674 --> 00:41:19,743
- Really? It wasn't spontaneous?
- No.
631
00:41:21,712 --> 00:41:24,982
Tbis ldea tbat Syd
rollert oul of bed al luncblime,
632
00:41:25,048 --> 00:41:27,651
lDok some acld anrt wrole
a couple of genlus songs
633
00:41:27,718 --> 00:41:30,287
ls just absolule crap.
634
00:41:32,389 --> 00:41:35,425
There's no such thing
as easy art, Storm, is there?
635
00:41:36,226 --> 00:41:37,694
Otherwise we'd all be doing it.
636
00:41:45,235 --> 00:41:48,205
Desplle belng banned
by Rartlo fondon for obscenlly,
637
00:41:48,271 --> 00:41:51,208
"Arnolrt fayne "rencbes
number 20 In lhe slngles chart
638
00:41:51,274 --> 00:41:53,176
wllb lhe album
"Piper al lhe Gales of Dawn "
639
00:41:53,243 --> 00:41:54,344
reacblng number slx.
640
00:41:55,145 --> 00:41:57,180
He was speclacular al lhe beglnnlng.
641
00:41:57,247 --> 00:41:59,883
Prom lhal Chrlslmas,
lbrough lo tbe summer
642
00:41:59,950 --> 00:42:01,518
when tbey released 'Arnold Lanye "
643
00:42:01,618 --> 00:42:05,022
anrt lhen "The Plper'
Syd, anrt of course Hendrlx,
644
00:42:05,088 --> 00:42:07,858
were klnrt Dflhe lwo
blg psychertelic slars.
645
00:42:18,068 --> 00:42:23,006
In May I 967, Plnk Floyd announce
a mullimertia psychedellc concert
646
00:42:23,073 --> 00:42:25,509
"Games For May'
at lhe Queen Ellzabelh Hall.
647
00:42:25,575 --> 00:42:27,677
Barrell bas wrlllen
a new song for lhe evenl,
648
00:42:27,744 --> 00:42:29,980
wbose lllle also "Games for May'
649
00:42:30,047 --> 00:42:33,817
changes lo become
lbe era rteflnlng 'ee Emlly Play'
650
00:42:37,854 --> 00:42:39,756
He startert lnnovallng bls muslc
651
00:42:39,823 --> 00:42:42,292
wilb lbe Zlppo llghler
on bls Slralocasler
652
00:42:42,359 --> 00:42:43,493
sllrtlng ll up and dDwn.
653
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,962
I n gigs, suddenly
he was using this Zippo lighter
654
00:42:46,029 --> 00:42:48,865
to create these
incredibly eerie sounds.
655
00:43:14,391 --> 00:43:17,961
'Ee Emlly Play" becomes
lhe second Plnk FIDyd hil slngle,
656
00:43:18,028 --> 00:43:20,130
earnlng lhe group
several cruclal appearances
657
00:43:20,197 --> 00:43:24,034
on lhe prlmellme BBC muslc sbow
Top of lbe Pops In July.
658
00:44:02,139 --> 00:44:05,275
When "See Emily Play" went to
No. 5 or got into the top ten ...
659
00:44:05,342 --> 00:44:06,543
I remember it well.
660
00:44:06,610 --> 00:44:08,278
I was really excllert
661
00:44:08,345 --> 00:44:10,313
anrt I'm wearlng
all tbese slupld clolbes.
662
00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:12,649
Yeah , but it was exciting ,
for God's sake.
663
00:44:12,716 --> 00:44:14,117
It was very exciting
664
00:44:14,184 --> 00:44:18,155
but I remember Syd
in the dressing room
665
00:44:18,221 --> 00:44:19,723
sitting there
and he looked a bit glum
666
00:44:19,789 --> 00:44:21,224
and I went, "Come on , what's up?"
667
00:44:21,291 --> 00:44:22,559
He looked at me and he said ,
668
00:44:22,626 --> 00:44:24,728
"John Lennon
doesn't have to do this."
669
00:44:24,861 --> 00:44:27,531
Even when things were going
as well as they could ,
670
00:44:27,597 --> 00:44:29,266
the band actually was stressful.
671
00:44:29,332 --> 00:44:32,469
I remember we were in Trafalgar Square,
we 'rt been In Green Park,
672
00:44:32,536 --> 00:44:36,273
and lhen ll was lime
lo go lo Top of lhe Pops.
673
00:44:36,339 --> 00:44:39,109
Syrt sairt, "I don 'I really fancy il."
674
00:44:39,176 --> 00:44:42,045
I sald, "Well, yeab,
bul ll's a bil of a blg rteal."
675
00:44:42,312 --> 00:44:43,780
There was the famous three weeks
676
00:44:43,847 --> 00:44:45,949
that we did "See Emily Play"
on Top of the Pops.
677
00:44:46,283 --> 00:44:48,818
Tbe flrsl week was fine,
Syrt looks really goort.
678
00:44:48,885 --> 00:44:51,988
He's sllllng cross Ieggert
on a greal blg lndlan cushlDn.
679
00:44:52,489 --> 00:44:57,894
The second week, he arrivert lale,
looklng very shambolic lnrteert.
680
00:44:58,962 --> 00:45:01,498
Third week,
we couldn't find him anywhere.
681
00:45:02,065 --> 00:45:06,236
I openert lhe door and Syrt was lhere
looking lolally freaked oul.
682
00:45:06,303 --> 00:45:09,039
His feel were bare anrt he sairt,
"Hl, can I come In ?"
683
00:45:09,139 --> 00:45:10,774
I sald, "Of course you can come In."
684
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,043
Anrt be dldn 'I say anylhing.
685
00:45:13,143 --> 00:45:15,111
Then there was a bang on the door
686
00:45:15,178 --> 00:45:18,181
and somebody was like,
"Is Syd in there?"
687
00:45:18,748 --> 00:45:23,420
Whoever this person was, came in
and just literally grabbed him
688
00:45:23,486 --> 00:45:24,721
and dragged him out.
689
00:45:38,835 --> 00:45:42,372
I think Syd Barrett was
interested in this total freedom
690
00:45:42,439 --> 00:45:46,910
almost like a jazz, really.
691
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:48,678
A kind of 'dlvertlmenll
692
00:45:50,180 --> 00:45:53,950
I suppose lrylng lo slruclure
or reln In lhis klnrt of energy
693
00:45:54,484 --> 00:45:56,486
mlgbl have been
fairly rtifflcull for hlm.
694
00:46:01,091 --> 00:46:03,560
There 'd been
a lol of welrrt sluffDn slage
695
00:46:03,627 --> 00:46:05,128
wllb Syrt delunlng gullars
696
00:46:05,195 --> 00:46:10,133
and lurnlng il
lnlo a mlnd-numblng sound.
697
00:46:11,201 --> 00:46:14,804
We were committed
to being a pop grou p
698
00:46:14,871 --> 00:46:17,874
and Syd was absolutely
on the way to being ,
699
00:46:17,941 --> 00:46:20,143
"No, I don't actually
want to be a pop star."
700
00:46:31,288 --> 00:46:33,890
Tbe relenlless gigglng
anrt demanrts Dfslarrtom
701
00:46:33,957 --> 00:46:36,059
are laklng tbelr lDll
on Barrell's psycbe.
702
00:46:47,537 --> 00:46:53,343
I was living in France in '6I,
and I came back to England.
703
00:46:53,443 --> 00:46:55,712
I wenl lo see lhem recorrtlng
704
00:46:55,779 --> 00:46:58,648
and somelhing
hart changert qulle radlcally.
705
00:46:58,715 --> 00:47:01,184
He had losl bls spark anrt hls bounce
706
00:47:01,251 --> 00:47:06,122
and lhal was a very ortrt
anrt uncomrtable momenl.
707
00:47:06,189 --> 00:47:08,792
The lhree songs I lhlnk
lhal are really lmpDrtanl,
708
00:47:08,858 --> 00:47:11,861
'ugbanrt Blues '
'cream Tby fasl Scream "
709
00:47:11,928 --> 00:47:13,096
and "Vegetable Man '
710
00:47:13,196 --> 00:47:16,066
"Vegelnble Man '
he wrole ll In my room.
711
00:47:16,132 --> 00:47:19,636
He sal In a corner anrt he just
wrole lbose lyrlcs down.
712
00:47:22,839 --> 00:47:24,341
Il was scary.
713
00:47:24,407 --> 00:47:27,444
You had this skinny guy
who's just crying his heart out,
714
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:30,013
"That's why I am vegetable man ."
715
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,281
You go, "Oh God.
716
00:47:32,816 --> 00:47:34,417
Is that what you really think?
717
00:47:34,484 --> 00:47:36,319
Is that how you feel
about yourself now?"
718
00:47:36,486 --> 00:47:39,089
It was all lhal classlc
music buslness bollocks.
719
00:47:39,155 --> 00:47:41,091
"Come on Syd,
where's lbe nexl slngle ?"
720
00:47:41,157 --> 00:47:43,560
He was a senslllve chap,
he wasn 'I harrtbollert.
721
00:47:43,993 --> 00:47:45,695
He didn't like all that pressure.
722
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:48,798
And he had a hell
of a lot of pressure.
723
00:48:10,687 --> 00:48:13,723
Il's llke If you look
al Van Gogb's Ialerpiclures,
724
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:15,091
you get lhe same tblng.
725
00:48:15,158 --> 00:48:19,396
You can see tbe manlfeslallon
of lhe lurmoll In bis brain
726
00:48:19,462 --> 00:48:21,164
and all those things.
727
00:48:21,231 --> 00:48:24,534
I think, in the same way
you can see the confusion
728
00:48:24,601 --> 00:48:27,203
and everything within Syd's brain.
729
00:48:28,405 --> 00:48:31,207
Bolh "Vegelnble Man "
anrt 'cream Thy fasl Scream "
730
00:48:31,274 --> 00:48:34,077
are rteemert uncommerclal
by lhe record company.
731
00:48:34,144 --> 00:48:37,447
And 'ugband Blues " is held over
for lhe nexl Plnk Ployrt album.
732
00:48:37,881 --> 00:48:40,216
'Apples anrt Oranges '
a song wrlllen by Syd
733
00:48:40,283 --> 00:48:42,752
about his glrlfrlend
flndsay Korner shopplng,
734
00:48:42,819 --> 00:48:45,722
is flnally chosen by EMl
as Pink Ployrt's lhirrt slngle.
735
00:48:46,523 --> 00:48:49,292
Il is releasert
In November anrt ls a flop.
736
00:48:52,128 --> 00:48:55,031
Did you ever see him perform
with Pink FIoyd?
737
00:48:55,098 --> 00:48:56,366
Yeah , I did once.
738
00:48:56,433 --> 00:49:00,670
I went to the Roundhouse
but it wasn't any fun.
739
00:49:00,737 --> 00:49:01,738
It wasn't.
740
00:49:01,805 --> 00:49:03,973
He didn't look
as if he was enjoying it
741
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,309
and so it wasn't
anything I did again.
742
00:49:07,343 --> 00:49:09,913
Do you agree in any way
about the family's view
743
00:49:09,979 --> 00:49:13,183
which is they blame
rock and roll for Syd's decline?
744
00:49:13,249 --> 00:49:15,418
I think that's not
an unreasonable position.
745
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:19,222
I don't think he would
have Iiked not to have done it.
746
00:49:19,289 --> 00:49:21,558
He got into it,
he was very happy doing it.
747
00:49:21,624 --> 00:49:22,625
It was good fun.
748
00:49:22,725 --> 00:49:25,995
It was sad to see him go downhill .
You could see by his eyes.
749
00:49:26,696 --> 00:49:30,700
He would be looking sort of...
750
00:49:30,767 --> 00:49:33,636
He wouldn't look at you ,
he'd be Iooking into space.
751
00:49:42,145 --> 00:49:45,982
Wltb hopes of breaklng Amerlca
anrt despile concerns aboul Syd,
752
00:49:46,816 --> 00:49:48,918
lhe banrt sel off
r a mini lour of lbe US.
753
00:50:01,297 --> 00:50:04,334
You're lhere wltb Syrt who was
just an artisl who wrole songs
754
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,003
anrt was havlng a good llme
nnd llked llslenlng lo muslc,
755
00:50:07,070 --> 00:50:10,173
playlng In a banrt
and, "Wow, lsn 'I lhls groovy?"
756
00:50:10,273 --> 00:50:14,377
Able to go and buy a new shirt,
have your hair frizzed
757
00:50:14,444 --> 00:50:16,379
and do all these things
that you could do.
758
00:50:16,446 --> 00:50:19,749
- Buy some new boots.
- Yeah , all that stuff.
759
00:50:19,816 --> 00:50:22,886
Gosh , got some money
coming and , "Oh wow."
760
00:50:23,586 --> 00:50:26,556
Then , people started
asking him the meaning of life.
761
00:50:27,557 --> 00:50:30,927
He was as ll were
lhe plnup bDy of lhe revolullon.
762
00:50:32,295 --> 00:50:34,464
Thal was probnbly very strange
going lo America
763
00:50:34,531 --> 00:50:36,766
'cause, "Wow, I'm In Amerlca now.
764
00:50:36,833 --> 00:50:38,401
I'm rtolng lhe Pillmore.
765
00:50:38,468 --> 00:50:40,937
WDwlAnrt lhese guys glve me
lhis nlce aclrt.
766
00:50:41,004 --> 00:50:44,707
Wahey!
Oh , wow." You know.
767
00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:53,483
Are you lelllng me
you anrt Syrtgolplcked up
768
00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:55,251
by a couple of Callfornian blonrtes ?
769
00:50:55,318 --> 00:50:58,154
Exaclly lhal,
wllb lhose slralgbl eyebrD.
770
00:50:58,221 --> 00:51:00,223
Yes, everyborty woulrt dream
aboul lhls slDry.
771
00:51:00,290 --> 00:51:02,592
- And this happened to you .
- It happened to Syd and I.
772
00:51:02,659 --> 00:51:04,727
But we were young kids from England
773
00:51:04,794 --> 00:51:07,664
where this sort of thing
was fucking ...
774
00:51:09,332 --> 00:51:11,501
Tbere was lDts of dope
anrt lols of everylblng
775
00:51:11,568 --> 00:51:13,236
and Syd was very bappy.
776
00:51:14,404 --> 00:51:15,605
U ntil we returned.
777
00:51:15,672 --> 00:51:19,609
I think, then , it would be
the gig in Los Angeles
778
00:51:19,676 --> 00:51:21,911
which was probably
the worst gig of all.
779
00:51:21,978 --> 00:51:23,646
These gentlemen you're about to meet
780
00:51:23,713 --> 00:51:25,915
are on their first visit
to the U nited States.
781
00:51:25,982 --> 00:51:28,985
They've only been here less
than a week as a matter of fact.
782
00:51:29,052 --> 00:51:31,821
Would you greet them warmly please,
The Pink FIoyd!
783
00:51:35,058 --> 00:51:37,560
- Rlck llp-synchert ll.
- Because ?
784
00:51:37,627 --> 00:51:41,564
Because Syd wDulrtn 'I slng,
couldn 'I sing, woulrtn 'I slng.
785
00:51:41,631 --> 00:51:42,865
He just sloort lhere.
786
00:51:44,367 --> 00:51:45,868
That was a tricky tour.
787
00:51:46,169 --> 00:51:47,770
- Syd , did you write this?
- Yeah.
788
00:51:47,837 --> 00:51:50,106
I noticed on the album you wrote
most of the songs, is that true?
789
00:51:50,173 --> 00:51:51,040
Yeah , that's right.
790
00:51:51,107 --> 00:51:52,442
We rtlrt a TV show In fos Angeles,
791
00:51:52,508 --> 00:51:54,744
he just walked oul Df lhe sludlo
and rtlsappeared.
792
00:51:54,811 --> 00:51:55,979
- For a reason ?
- No.
793
00:51:56,045 --> 00:51:58,381
Let me wish you , gentlemen ,
all very good Iuck.
794
00:51:58,448 --> 00:51:59,849
I hope you enjoy your stay,
get some sleep
795
00:51:59,916 --> 00:52:02,752
and get something other than
cheeseburgers during your stay.
796
00:52:02,819 --> 00:52:04,520
Thank you very much .
N ick, nice to see you.
797
00:52:04,587 --> 00:52:08,725
When Syrt became unrellable,
I lhlnk we really almosl balert blm,
798
00:52:08,825 --> 00:52:10,693
because we were so dependenl on him.
799
00:52:12,195 --> 00:52:16,265
By tbe llme Anrtrew came back from
Amerlca, ll was rteflnllely a prDblem.
800
00:52:16,766 --> 00:52:20,169
One Dflhe more
conlenllous rumours ls lhe ldea
801
00:52:20,236 --> 00:52:23,573
lbal be mlghl have been glven aclrt
every morning In bis coffee.
802
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:24,941
Dld Rlck say somelhlng?
803
00:52:25,942 --> 00:52:31,981
He reckoned that Syd's downfall
came about by his hangers-on.
804
00:52:32,382 --> 00:52:35,018
Then, people wbD are wrlllng
books or rtolng lnlervlews,
805
00:52:35,084 --> 00:52:38,054
lbey tblnk, "WbD were
his frlends al lhal tlme ?"
806
00:52:38,121 --> 00:52:39,722
'O and so."
807
00:52:39,789 --> 00:52:42,258
- Jock anrt Sue In lhls case ?
- Yeab.
808
00:52:42,325 --> 00:52:46,229
Apparently we're living in Richmond ,
we used to get up every morning ,
809
00:52:46,295 --> 00:52:50,466
we all sit around the breakfast table,
we would then spike Syd.
810
00:52:50,533 --> 00:52:53,503
It's absolute fucking bollocks.
811
00:52:54,003 --> 00:52:55,938
Maybe lhal's alsD
a quallly of rumours.
812
00:52:56,005 --> 00:52:58,775
Il's qulle gDort
If your herD is flawert
813
00:52:58,841 --> 00:53:01,477
because of someborty else 's
ralber lban lhelr own.
814
00:53:01,544 --> 00:53:02,812
Better for him to be spiked
815
00:53:02,879 --> 00:53:06,349
than to have him gone to them and said ,
"Oh , can I have some acid now?"
816
00:53:42,852 --> 00:53:45,521
In a way, il woulrt have been
mucb easler for all of us
817
00:53:45,588 --> 00:53:47,690
If Syrt ha sald,
"I'm really fuckert up.
818
00:53:47,757 --> 00:53:51,127
I'm really sorry, I can 'I cope
any more. Can yDu help me ?"
819
00:53:51,194 --> 00:53:55,865
So we were always trying to help him
without him giving any ind ication
820
00:53:55,932 --> 00:53:58,401
that he had any desire
or need for help.
821
00:53:59,502 --> 00:54:01,671
I remember taking Syd
to Ronnie Laing's
822
00:54:01,738 --> 00:54:03,940
and him refusing
to get out of the car.
823
00:54:04,006 --> 00:54:05,708
Not that I'm convinced Ronnie Laing
824
00:54:05,775 --> 00:54:08,077
would have been able
to do a huge amount for him.
825
00:54:09,011 --> 00:54:12,248
As psychiatrists and psychotherapists
826
00:54:12,315 --> 00:54:16,786
who profess to be able
827
00:54:16,853 --> 00:54:21,824
to be of some service to people
828
00:54:21,891 --> 00:54:24,026
in distressed states of mind ,
829
00:54:25,862 --> 00:54:28,531
we cannol expecl lo be of any help
830
00:54:28,598 --> 00:54:31,768
beyond pulllng people
back to lhls slrte.
831
00:54:31,834 --> 00:54:37,440
I nto this socially reinforced ,
832
00:54:37,540 --> 00:54:42,478
totalitarian ,
egalitarian , quantitative,
833
00:54:42,578 --> 00:54:48,251
dequantified ,
de-experientialised dead world.
834
00:54:48,885 --> 00:54:50,887
Where there's no fun or joy
835
00:54:50,953 --> 00:54:55,191
or any genuine
celebration of anything
836
00:54:55,258 --> 00:55:00,096
because all that is life
and science is studying death.
837
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,097
You coulrt argue lhal some forms
of so-callert madness
838
00:55:35,164 --> 00:55:38,601
are slrong moves lo relain freedom.
839
00:55:39,335 --> 00:55:42,638
You could also argue
at a certain Ievel ,
840
00:55:42,705 --> 00:55:48,678
he could see that the success of
the FIoyd was reducing his freedom.
841
00:55:48,744 --> 00:55:52,081
He was playing us
this song in a rehearsaI
842
00:55:52,148 --> 00:55:55,384
and the song was called
"Have you got it yet?".
843
00:55:55,451 --> 00:56:01,958
And basically, the song would alter
so that the chorus was, "No, no, no."
844
00:56:02,024 --> 00:56:05,595
Syd would alter the rhythmic pattern
845
00:56:05,661 --> 00:56:10,099
or do whatever was necessary to ensure
that no, they hadn't got it yet.
846
00:56:10,166 --> 00:56:11,767
- Or couldn't.
- Or couldn't get it.
847
00:56:11,834 --> 00:56:13,369
Or might never have got it.
848
00:56:15,471 --> 00:56:18,107
Slorles are leglon
aboul Syrt's alarming bebaviour
849
00:56:18,174 --> 00:56:19,876
on slage rturlng lhis perlort.
850
00:56:19,942 --> 00:56:21,811
Playlng one nole for an enllre show,
851
00:56:21,878 --> 00:56:25,147
or slowly delunlng bls slrlngs
unlll lhey fell Ilmp on lhe gullar.
852
00:56:25,882 --> 00:56:27,617
Flve boolleg recorrtlngs however,
853
00:56:27,683 --> 00:56:29,752
caplure several
lnspirert performances.
854
00:56:30,286 --> 00:56:33,055
Nevertbeless, on a smnll
package tour wllb Jlmi Hendrlx,
855
00:56:33,122 --> 00:56:34,724
The Move and a few olher bands,
856
00:56:34,790 --> 00:56:36,792
Bnrrel would somelimes
need lo be replaced
857
00:56:36,859 --> 00:56:38,394
by Davld O'fisl from Tbe Nlce.
858
00:56:39,862 --> 00:56:43,933
As far back as I 965, Syrt hlmself
bart wrlllen lo fibby Gausden
859
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,903
suggesling bls old frlend
Davld Gllmour should joln lbe group
860
00:56:47,003 --> 00:56:48,504
referrlng lo blm as 'Prert'.
861
00:56:49,405 --> 00:56:53,042
Whal became known as lhe 'Frert plan '
was now pul lnlD effect.
862
00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:55,678
Looking back on it,
863
00:56:55,745 --> 00:56:59,248
I can see that
they all played a distinct part
864
00:56:59,315 --> 00:57:01,117
in the success of Pink FIoyd.
865
00:57:01,217 --> 00:57:04,921
You hart Roger wbo bart
lhis masslve rtelermlnallon,
866
00:57:04,987 --> 00:57:10,026
Rick's muslcal sopblsllcalion
and you've gol Nick's showmanshlp.
867
00:57:16,132 --> 00:57:19,402
For several shows, lhe banrt
performs as a flve-plece
868
00:57:19,468 --> 00:57:21,404
In lbe bope of keeping Syd arDund.
869
00:57:23,306 --> 00:57:27,176
We 'rt alrearty lrlert tbree
or four glgs as a flve-plece.
870
00:57:27,243 --> 00:57:29,045
Il was a very uncomfortable feeling
871
00:57:29,111 --> 00:57:33,049
bul I lhlnk we were
absDlulely gearert lo lhls lrtea.
872
00:57:33,115 --> 00:57:35,084
Il wasn 'I a maller
Dflrylng Dave oul,
873
00:57:35,151 --> 00:57:39,655
I lhlnk we lovert lbe ldea
of baving blm In tbe banrt.
874
00:57:53,135 --> 00:57:56,672
Do you recall whal happenert
on whal I called 'The day'?
875
00:57:56,739 --> 00:57:59,308
I can 'I remember where
Syrt was llvlng al lhe lime.
876
00:57:59,508 --> 00:58:01,777
- We were all.. .
- Were you on the way to a gig?
877
00:58:01,844 --> 00:58:04,046
Yeah , we were absolutely
on the way to a gig.
878
00:58:04,113 --> 00:58:08,818
Everyone else had been picked up,
so we were on the way to pick Syd up
879
00:58:09,819 --> 00:58:14,490
and someone said ,
"Shall we bother?" more or less.
880
00:58:14,557 --> 00:58:17,827
There was this sort of moment
and we went,
881
00:58:17,893 --> 00:58:19,996
"Do you know what?
Let's not."
882
00:58:20,663 --> 00:58:22,598
Syd's lasl gig wllh Plnk Floyd
883
00:58:22,665 --> 00:58:26,035
was on lhe 20lb of January, I 968
al Hasllngs Pler.
884
00:58:32,475 --> 00:58:36,012
Do you think it's understandable then
that they had to move on as it were?
885
00:58:36,078 --> 00:58:37,246
That's the way it works.
886
00:58:38,447 --> 00:58:39,815
It's animal husbandry.
887
00:58:40,249 --> 00:58:42,351
I'm amaze
lhal lhey managert lo recover
888
00:58:42,418 --> 00:58:44,153
from loslng
lhelr maln creallve drlve.
889
00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:46,288
No, it's not amazing they recovered ,
890
00:58:46,355 --> 00:58:50,126
they became the pop group
that they always desired to be.
891
00:58:50,192 --> 00:58:53,329
Once David Gilmour's in there,
that's the beginning of something else.
892
00:58:53,396 --> 00:58:54,997
Il's tbe beglnning of lbe Pink Floyrt
893
00:58:55,064 --> 00:58:57,433
lhnl became very successful
laler on wllb "Mertdle '
894
00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:59,869
"Dark Slde of lhe Moon "
anrt "Wlsh you Were Here ".
895
00:59:00,503 --> 00:59:02,238
When the FIoyd broke up,
896
00:59:02,805 --> 00:59:05,174
you and Peter, as BIackhill ,
as I understand ,
897
00:59:05,241 --> 00:59:06,776
elected to continue with Syd.
898
00:59:06,842 --> 00:59:09,278
We made a particularly astute
commercial decision.
899
00:59:13,416 --> 00:59:14,817
That's lwo verses.
900
00:59:14,884 --> 00:59:16,152
Sorry, I'll do ll agaln.
901
00:59:48,451 --> 00:59:50,553
Syrt came lo Ilve wllb us
al Egerton Court
902
00:59:50,619 --> 00:59:54,223
wblch ls lhe ftal lhal we hart
In lhe cenlre Df London In Soulh Ken.
903
00:59:55,958 --> 00:59:59,161
I wenl lhere,
you were tbere anrt Po was tbere,
904
00:59:59,228 --> 01:00:01,730
Nlgel and Jenny, lhey hart
lhe smart room al lhe fronl.
905
01:00:01,797 --> 01:00:04,467
How was Syd dDlng lhose days ?
Do you remember?
906
01:00:04,533 --> 01:00:07,736
He was unpredlclable lhen.
He was very unprertlclable.
907
01:00:07,803 --> 01:00:10,439
I don't think anybody
in the flat realised
908
01:00:10,539 --> 01:00:13,042
just bow bad Syd bart become.
909
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:16,745
He began locklng himself In bls room
for several dnys wllb flndsay.
910
01:00:16,812 --> 01:00:19,348
There were rows,
all sorts of things going on.
911
01:00:19,415 --> 01:00:21,717
I had the small room
adjacent to the Iarge room
912
01:00:21,784 --> 01:00:23,419
in which he and Lindsay Iived.
913
01:00:23,486 --> 01:00:27,022
I could hear him tickling her,
which sou nded harmless enough ,
914
01:00:27,089 --> 01:00:29,825
and then she'd scream at him
to stop tickling and he wouldn't.
915
01:00:29,925 --> 01:00:32,995
I can't remember what happened but
he pushed me over and jumped on me.
916
01:00:33,062 --> 01:00:34,964
That's when I called out
and you came in.
917
01:00:35,397 --> 01:00:38,834
Syd rteclrtert lbal presumably lhe
relallonsblp was nol as ll shoulrt be
918
01:00:38,901 --> 01:00:42,071
and seemert lo be
allacking ber wltb a manrtolln.
919
01:00:42,138 --> 01:00:45,007
Then the next day
you took me home to Cambridge.
920
01:00:45,074 --> 01:00:46,976
- Don't you remember?
- Yeah.
921
01:00:47,042 --> 01:00:48,644
But was this the end of you and Syd?
922
01:00:48,711 --> 01:00:50,579
Oh yes, that was it.
923
01:00:51,247 --> 01:00:56,018
Syd's apparenl malalse, sball we say,
dldn 'I appear lnllially.
924
01:00:56,085 --> 01:00:58,254
I lhoughl he was cbarmlng
anrt good company.
925
01:00:58,354 --> 01:01:00,623
This was his very room.
926
01:01:01,357 --> 01:01:04,527
Dave Gllmour llved In Rlcbmonrt Manslons,
one slreel away.
927
01:01:04,593 --> 01:01:06,962
We could see from our kllchen
inlo bis kllchen.
928
01:01:09,231 --> 01:01:13,235
Syd goes back lnlo Abbey Roart slurtlos
lo begin recorrtlng some demos.
929
01:01:13,969 --> 01:01:16,572
Wllb lhe support
of Peler Jenner, Malcolm Jones,
930
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:18,741
Davld Gllmour and Roger Walers,
931
01:01:18,807 --> 01:01:22,645
lhese sesslons, lbDugh rtifflcull,
would resull In his flrsl solo album,
932
01:01:23,512 --> 01:01:24,947
"Tbe Martcap faugbs ".
933
01:01:27,316 --> 01:01:28,951
In lbe firsl lol DfsesslDns
934
01:01:29,018 --> 01:01:31,954
you coulrtn 'I gel an honesl
answer lo an honesl quesllon.
935
01:01:32,021 --> 01:01:33,956
"Shall we do that again?"
936
01:01:34,023 --> 01:01:35,724
No reply.
937
01:01:35,791 --> 01:01:38,127
"I think that was really good ,
can we try that again?"
938
01:01:38,194 --> 01:01:39,295
ND reply.
939
01:01:40,029 --> 01:01:41,864
"Woulrt you wanl lo go
and play a bll more ?"
940
01:01:41,931 --> 01:01:45,134
Tben, he woulrt go oul anrt maybe
play a bll more or maybe nol.
941
01:01:47,303 --> 01:01:48,304
Is ll on ?
942
01:01:50,339 --> 01:01:53,175
There'd been quite
a considerable amount of time
943
01:01:53,242 --> 01:01:55,110
and money gone into it
944
01:01:55,211 --> 01:01:59,014
and EM I had decided
to more or less pull the plug.
945
01:01:59,081 --> 01:02:01,350
Roger and I asked them
if we could finish it off
946
01:02:01,417 --> 01:02:03,686
and they gave us
something like three days.
947
01:02:03,752 --> 01:02:07,122
We sluck hlm In lhe sludlo anrt
recorrted everylhlng and anylhlng
948
01:02:07,189 --> 01:02:08,591
lbal we coulrt gel blm lo do.
949
01:02:15,164 --> 01:02:18,867
The end result is a pretty fair portrait
of him at the time.
950
01:02:19,735 --> 01:02:23,105
And I tblnk his wrlllng
probably was beller
951
01:02:23,172 --> 01:02:25,641
lhan lhe wrlling
on "Plper al lhe Gales of Dawn '
952
01:02:25,874 --> 01:02:28,644
"Where are you now pussy willow
who smiled on this leaf?"
953
01:02:29,144 --> 01:02:32,081
You go,
"Wbal lhe fuck ls lbal aboul?"
954
01:02:47,296 --> 01:02:50,666
He's slill maklng
lhese exlraordlnary conneclions
955
01:02:50,733 --> 01:02:52,901
wllb lhe deepesl feellngs of,
956
01:02:53,402 --> 01:02:57,973
"Can I or can I not make contact
with other human beings?"
957
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,844
Which is the stuff of all our Iives.
958
01:03:02,344 --> 01:03:05,080
Storm anrt I bad a company
called Hlpgnosls
959
01:03:05,147 --> 01:03:08,050
anrt we were asked
lo rto lbe album cDver.
960
01:03:08,117 --> 01:03:10,653
Slorm wenl lo pholDgrapb
Syrt wllh Mlck Rock.
961
01:03:19,161 --> 01:03:23,232
He had a flat in which he'd painted
the floorboards blue and red ,
962
01:03:23,299 --> 01:03:26,635
I think for the photo session ,
which is pretty amazing.
963
01:03:26,702 --> 01:03:29,338
What was interesting about the floor
is there was all this rubble
964
01:03:29,405 --> 01:03:31,573
because he'd paint
over the cigarette butts
965
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,076
and various bits
of debris in the room.
966
01:03:35,110 --> 01:03:38,447
I look a pholo of Syrt croucbed
a bil llke an animal really.
967
01:03:39,181 --> 01:03:42,217
I look a lon of lhem loo,
ll wasn 'I just Slorm.
968
01:03:43,452 --> 01:03:46,955
And lggy lhe Eskimo, wbD was
never really his glrlfrlenrt
969
01:03:47,022 --> 01:03:48,957
because lhese were blpple llmes.
970
01:03:49,024 --> 01:03:51,026
I lhlnk she llngerert
for a couple of weeks.
971
01:03:51,994 --> 01:03:54,596
On tbe back cDver
was a plclure of a naked woman
972
01:03:54,663 --> 01:03:56,732
who was an klmo,
973
01:03:56,799 --> 01:03:59,835
but likert, whelher Syrt was lhere or nDt,
lo walk arounrt nakert.
974
01:04:00,836 --> 01:04:03,472
He sald, "Thls is lggy, why rton 'I you
pul her In lhe plclure ?"
975
01:04:03,539 --> 01:04:04,673
I salrt, "Plne."
976
01:04:06,775 --> 01:04:08,744
"Tbe Martcap faughs " ls releasert
977
01:04:08,811 --> 01:04:12,715
on EMl's new progresslve lmprlnl,
Harvesl, in January I 970.
978
01:04:14,049 --> 01:04:16,518
Il reaches number 40
in lhe UK charts.
979
01:04:16,618 --> 01:04:19,088
Successful enough for EMl
lo flnance lbe recorrtlng
980
01:04:19,154 --> 01:04:22,024
Df Syd's secDnrt
sDlo album, "Barrell'
981
01:04:28,497 --> 01:04:31,800
There was more time
so we could relax a little bit more
982
01:04:31,867 --> 01:04:34,103
and try and do things
in a slightly different way.
983
01:04:34,203 --> 01:04:36,905
We llved arounrt lhe corner
from eacb olher,
984
01:04:36,972 --> 01:04:40,576
we being myself and Wlllie Wllson.
985
01:04:40,642 --> 01:04:43,379
He and I sharert a ftal In Chelsea.
986
01:04:43,712 --> 01:04:45,848
Syd lived around lhe corner.
987
01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:49,918
We'd try and get him
to play along with the band ,
988
01:04:49,985 --> 01:04:51,587
but he'd never do it the same twice.
989
01:04:51,653 --> 01:04:54,690
So usually it meant we'd cut
a backing track without him
990
01:04:54,757 --> 01:04:57,126
and then get him to put
some stuff on it afterwards.
991
01:04:57,926 --> 01:05:00,763
Rlck came along
anrt helpert a bit on lhal Dne.
992
01:05:00,863 --> 01:05:04,867
All I ever saw was Dave wanting
to get the best out of Syd
993
01:05:04,933 --> 01:05:08,437
he could possibly get,
which was not easy.
994
01:05:08,504 --> 01:05:10,839
We just followed him
wherever he wenl.
995
01:05:10,906 --> 01:05:15,043
Sometimes, it just kept falling down
and falling over itself
996
01:05:15,110 --> 01:05:16,678
and sometimes it got interesting.
997
01:05:30,926 --> 01:05:34,730
He wrote some pretty
unusual chord sequences
998
01:05:34,797 --> 01:05:37,966
and found some unusual melodies
to sit on the top of it
999
01:05:38,033 --> 01:05:41,670
and wrote fascinating lyrics.
1000
01:05:56,885 --> 01:06:03,158
Even though some around that
Wetherby Mansions time are very moody,
1001
01:06:03,225 --> 01:06:05,227
there's quite a lot of them
he's Iaughing in.
1002
01:06:14,169 --> 01:06:17,940
Released In November, "Barrell"
woulrt be Syd's flnal sludlD album.
1003
01:06:18,974 --> 01:06:20,342
Il lls lo chart.
1004
01:06:23,879 --> 01:06:26,348
Can yDu recall
wben you flrsl met Syd?
1005
01:06:26,882 --> 01:06:29,952
He came runnlng up
looklng llke a rock slar
1006
01:06:30,052 --> 01:06:33,455
wllh bls velveljeans on,
his velveljackel
1007
01:06:33,555 --> 01:06:36,959
anrt bls Chelsea bools on.
1008
01:06:37,059 --> 01:06:39,761
He looked and I thought,
"Ooh , wow, it's Syd Barrett."
1009
01:06:40,395 --> 01:06:41,530
He hart a spare room.
1010
01:06:41,597 --> 01:06:44,132
I wasn 'I sure
at lhal slage whelher ll was,
1011
01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:46,802
"Come anrt llve wllh me, " or...
1012
01:06:46,869 --> 01:06:49,137
- "Would you like a room?"
- "I've got a room ."
1013
01:06:49,204 --> 01:06:51,607
- "Give us some money."
- Yeah , "Give us some money."
1014
01:06:51,673 --> 01:06:53,509
He was prelly strange.
1015
01:06:53,575 --> 01:06:56,678
He 'rt just open lhe door
anrt cDme In lhe room
1016
01:06:56,745 --> 01:06:58,514
and lhal woulrt be ll.
1017
01:06:58,780 --> 01:07:02,317
I thought it was kind of great
to have a boyfriend like that
1018
01:07:02,384 --> 01:07:04,720
rather than a bloke
working in Barclays Bank.
1019
01:07:14,263 --> 01:07:17,599
In support of lhe "Martcap faugbs "
anrt "Barrell" albums,
1020
01:07:17,666 --> 01:07:21,637
Syrt records a session for lnfluenllal
Radlo I DJ, John Peel.
1021
01:07:22,738 --> 01:07:25,607
And on lbe 6lh of June I 970,
be plays a glg,
1022
01:07:25,674 --> 01:07:29,211
bls first for lwo years,
al lhe Olympla Exblblllon Hall
1023
01:07:29,278 --> 01:07:32,548
wllb Davld Ollmour on bass gultar
and Jerry Shlrley on rtrums.
1024
01:07:33,849 --> 01:07:37,719
Afler just a few songs, however,
Syd abruplly walks off slage.
1025
01:07:39,121 --> 01:07:44,493
He decided at one stage that
he no longer wanted to be a pop star.
1026
01:07:45,093 --> 01:07:51,500
He wenl oul anrt bougbl canvases,
lons of pols of palnl and brushes
1027
01:07:51,567 --> 01:07:54,636
anrt he locked hlmselfln lbal room
anrtpainled day anrt nlgbl.
1028
01:07:55,203 --> 01:07:58,807
Every lime
I was allDwed ID see a canvns,
1029
01:07:58,874 --> 01:08:02,044
lhe next llme I saw ll,
ll woulrt ellber be deslroyert
1030
01:08:02,110 --> 01:08:04,279
or he 'dpalnled all over ll.
1031
01:08:04,346 --> 01:08:06,782
Try and keep up with Duggie,
'him next door'.
1032
01:08:06,848 --> 01:08:09,818
He never used his name, it was
'him next door' or 'that painter'.
1033
01:08:10,152 --> 01:08:13,055
You've got two aspects of
his personality though , haven't you?
1034
01:08:13,121 --> 01:08:15,190
You've got Roger and Syd.
1035
01:08:15,257 --> 01:08:16,959
Syd was the musician ,
1036
01:08:17,025 --> 01:08:20,996
Roger was maybe a would-be artist
but Roger never found his way.
1037
01:08:22,297 --> 01:08:25,734
He put a layer of hessian
over the curtains
1038
01:08:25,834 --> 01:08:28,503
so he had this darkened room
that he Iived in.
1039
01:08:28,570 --> 01:08:31,306
People would stanrt Dutslde
hls doDr knocklng and gDlng,
1040
01:08:31,373 --> 01:08:33,875
'yrt, lel me In, "
for hours somellmes.
1041
01:08:35,010 --> 01:08:39,414
I moved back to Cambridge
and Duggie had called me and said ,
1042
01:08:39,481 --> 01:08:43,185
"This is getting crazy."
1043
01:08:43,251 --> 01:08:48,790
I don't know what he was doing but he'd
been in his room for days and nights
1044
01:08:48,857 --> 01:08:50,425
and hadn't come out.
1045
01:08:50,492 --> 01:08:53,829
I conlaclert Syrt and I salrt,
"Why ldn 'I you cDme ID Cambrldge ?"
1046
01:08:53,895 --> 01:08:57,199
Anrt sDmebow il was like
we were back logelher agaln.
1047
01:08:57,299 --> 01:08:59,601
So, I moved in.
1048
01:08:59,668 --> 01:09:01,670
- I nto Hills Road?
- I nto H ills Road.
1049
01:09:01,737 --> 01:09:04,106
- I nto the cellar?
- I nto the cellar with Syd.
1050
01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:07,843
Il was all rtark,
It was orlglnally a coal cellar.
1051
01:09:07,909 --> 01:09:10,545
Il bart all bls blls and pieces
from his cblldboort lhere,
1052
01:09:10,612 --> 01:09:13,248
his rtrawlngs,
his palnllngs anrt bls guilar.
1053
01:09:14,683 --> 01:09:17,819
Anrt il was all very normal.
1054
01:09:18,553 --> 01:09:20,722
Mrs Barrett would come
rushing out and say,
1055
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:23,859
"Oh, bello dear, hello rtear.
Wbal aboul a cup of lea ?
1056
01:09:23,925 --> 01:09:26,428
Rog, would you llke a cup Df lea ?"
1057
01:09:27,496 --> 01:09:29,698
We became engagert.
1058
01:09:31,133 --> 01:09:34,202
Mum Drganised lhis big Sunrtay lunch.
1059
01:09:34,269 --> 01:09:39,241
Thls is lhe llme when Syd lhrew
a bowl of lomalo soup over me.
1060
01:09:39,307 --> 01:09:43,245
It was a normal Sunday lunch
and Syd just went, whoops!
1061
01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:47,649
Then , he stood up from the table,
laughed , disappeared ,
1062
01:09:47,716 --> 01:09:51,053
and came down ,
and he'd cut all his hair off.
1063
01:09:52,854 --> 01:09:54,523
I'rt gone back ID my parents.
1064
01:09:54,589 --> 01:09:56,858
Tbe nexl rtay, a leller arrlved
1065
01:09:56,925 --> 01:10:00,462
saylng lhal lhe engagemenl
was offlclally off
1066
01:10:00,562 --> 01:10:04,099
"Yours sincerely, R. K. Barrett."
1067
01:10:04,599 --> 01:10:07,335
I gol anolher leller
from hlm lwo rtays laler
1068
01:10:07,402 --> 01:10:10,472
saylng, "Dear Oala,
I lhlnk we shoulrt gel marrled.
1069
01:10:10,539 --> 01:10:12,441
Ignore the Ietter
I sent you yesterday.
1070
01:10:12,507 --> 01:10:14,276
Lots of love, Syd ."
1071
01:10:14,342 --> 01:10:18,613
We went up lo Lonrton and bDughl
anolher engagemenl ring.
1072
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,483
So lhere's always lwo.
Two rlngs and lwo parts of Syrt.
1073
01:10:21,550 --> 01:10:23,151
Two rlngs and lwo lellers.
1074
01:10:24,019 --> 01:10:26,722
Syd's relalionshlp
wllh Gala Pinlon would enrt
1075
01:10:26,788 --> 01:10:28,957
wben he became convlncert
she was havlng an affalr
1076
01:10:29,024 --> 01:10:31,326
wllb a colleague
In lbe local rtepartmenl slore.
1077
01:10:31,927 --> 01:10:34,296
Gala would be lhe last
of Barrell's glrlfrlends.
1078
01:10:44,206 --> 01:10:47,909
He became more reclusive
when he returned to London
1079
01:10:47,976 --> 01:10:50,045
and he was living
in Chelsea Cloisters.
1080
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,816
Slghllngs of Syd become less frequenl
1081
01:10:54,883 --> 01:10:57,486
wilh just lbe ortd lurld slory
In lbe papers
1082
01:10:57,552 --> 01:10:59,855
and occaslonal
vislls lo lhe local pub
1083
01:10:59,921 --> 01:11:01,857
or lo lbe oce
of bls muslc publishers.
1084
01:11:03,358 --> 01:11:06,161
When we were still at N EMS ,
which was early 'I0s,
1085
01:11:06,228 --> 01:11:07,963
and he started coming
to those offices,
1086
01:11:08,029 --> 01:11:11,900
that's when we realised he didn't have
any money or very little money.
1087
01:11:11,967 --> 01:11:14,202
We talked about it and he said
1088
01:11:14,269 --> 01:11:16,671
he did n't know where his money
and his royalties were.
1089
01:11:16,738 --> 01:11:19,708
So we said , "That's easy, we'll write
to Essex, we'll write to EM I ,
1090
01:11:19,775 --> 01:11:22,410
we'll write to PRS and find out
where your royalties are."
1091
01:11:22,477 --> 01:11:27,749
I use the phrase
very Ioosely, "Poor Syd ."
1092
01:11:27,816 --> 01:11:31,119
Of course,
Brian being a money man ,
1093
01:11:31,953 --> 01:11:33,989
he went "Poor Syd?
1094
01:11:34,055 --> 01:11:36,792
He made lwo and a half
mllllon qulrt lasl year."
1095
01:11:36,892 --> 01:11:39,861
I said , "God , where do you keep
all your guitars? You've got loads."
1096
01:11:39,928 --> 01:11:42,297
He said , "I've got
another flat for them ."
1097
01:11:43,331 --> 01:11:45,333
He salrt, 'ohn Lennon's gol
lols of guilars."
1098
01:11:53,842 --> 01:11:56,044
Wllh royallles from Plnk Floyrt sales
1099
01:11:56,111 --> 01:11:59,614
and Davirt Bowle's cover of
'ee Emlly Play" on his "Pln Ups " album,
1100
01:11:59,681 --> 01:12:01,817
Syrt woul move
back and rth belween fondon
1101
01:12:01,883 --> 01:12:04,786
and lbe small back bedroom In
hls mDlber's bouse in Cambrirtge
1102
01:12:04,853 --> 01:12:06,488
for lhe nexl I2 years or so.
1103
01:12:07,522 --> 01:12:11,159
Whlle In Cambrldge, Jenny Splres
lnlrortuces Barrell lo her husband,
1104
01:12:11,226 --> 01:12:14,663
bass player Jack Monk and rtrummer
Twink from Tbe Pink Palrles.
1105
01:12:15,597 --> 01:12:19,634
Afler several lmpromplu jam sessions,
lhe lrlo formed lhe group Stars
1106
01:12:19,701 --> 01:12:21,403
and play a hanrtful of glgs locally.
1107
01:12:21,670 --> 01:12:24,472
We 'd like lo brlng Syd Barrell
up lo lbe banrt sland.
1108
01:12:24,539 --> 01:12:27,242
Woulrt you come on ?
How aboul a hand for Syrt Barrell?
1109
01:12:29,044 --> 01:12:31,012
All appears lo be going well
1110
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:33,548
bul following
a disaslrDus glg wllh MC5
1111
01:12:33,615 --> 01:12:37,219
anrt a negallve revlew
In Melorty Maker, Syd leaves lhe group.
1112
01:12:37,285 --> 01:12:39,221
He will never play In publlc agaln.
1113
01:12:44,226 --> 01:12:47,896
A year laler, Plnk FIDyd release
"Dark Slde of The Moon "
1114
01:12:47,963 --> 01:12:50,765
anrt hll lbe lop of
lhe US Billboarrt album cbarts.
1115
01:12:50,832 --> 01:12:53,768
Il remalns one of
lbe besl-selllng records of all llme.
1116
01:12:56,771 --> 01:12:59,241
As Pink Floyrt's success
anrt fame grows,
1117
01:12:59,307 --> 01:13:02,210
Peler Jenner persuades Syrt
ID relurn lo Abbey Roart.
1118
01:13:02,277 --> 01:13:05,513
After lhree days In lhe slurtlo
prortuclng just a hanrtful of rlffs,
1119
01:13:05,580 --> 01:13:06,882
lhe sesslDns are abanrtoned.
1120
01:13:15,357 --> 01:13:19,728
In /975, Plnk Ployrt records
lhelr nlnlb slurtlo album,
1121
01:13:19,794 --> 01:13:22,731
lhe concepl recorrt
"Wlsh You Were Here '
1122
01:13:22,797 --> 01:13:25,267
ngaln reachlng number one
on lhe Blllboard cbarts.
1123
01:13:26,334 --> 01:13:29,838
Wrlllen as a lrlbule lo Syrt,
'bine on You Crazy Diamonrt'
1124
01:13:29,905 --> 01:13:32,974
a 25-mlnule-long lrack
made up of nlne parts
1125
01:13:33,041 --> 01:13:34,309
book ends lhe album.
1126
01:13:37,245 --> 01:13:41,816
The last personal abiding memory
I have of Syd was at Abbey Road
1127
01:13:41,883 --> 01:13:45,186
when he turned up, remarkably,
1128
01:13:45,253 --> 01:13:47,889
at the recording
of "Shine on You Crazy Diamond"
1129
01:13:47,956 --> 01:13:49,457
but I didn't realise it was him.
1130
01:13:50,825 --> 01:13:54,996
I was sllling In my usual place
In tbe conlrol rDom of Slurtlo 3.
1131
01:13:55,063 --> 01:13:57,098
I heard lbe rtoor go, looked round
1132
01:13:57,165 --> 01:13:59,668
anrt lhere was lbls chap
slanrtlng In tbe back of lhe room
1133
01:13:59,734 --> 01:14:02,804
who was sllghlly portly,
wllh a shaven head anrt a raincoal on.
1134
01:14:02,871 --> 01:14:07,609
I just assumed he was something
to do with the studio.
1135
01:14:07,676 --> 01:14:10,145
You would occasionally
get odd people popping in.
1136
01:14:10,245 --> 01:14:12,714
I had been doing
something in the studio.
1137
01:14:12,781 --> 01:14:15,717
I don't know what
but I'd been in the studio.
1138
01:14:15,784 --> 01:14:18,186
So I came into the control room
1139
01:14:18,253 --> 01:14:21,623
to find the band all looking
a little bit weird.
1140
01:14:21,957 --> 01:14:23,158
It took a little while.
1141
01:14:23,224 --> 01:14:27,495
I don't recall whether it was Roger
or David who realised that it was Syd.
1142
01:14:27,595 --> 01:14:31,866
I was waiting for someone to
either say, "This is so and so."
1143
01:14:31,933 --> 01:14:35,036
Or for someone to say "Security
are coming any minute now."
1144
01:14:35,103 --> 01:14:37,472
For someone
who'd come in off the street.
1145
01:14:39,941 --> 01:14:42,711
Dave looked at me and he said ,
"Do you know who that is?"
1146
01:14:42,777 --> 01:14:44,512
I went, "No."
1147
01:14:44,612 --> 01:14:46,481
Anrt he sairt, "Il's Syd."
1148
01:14:49,684 --> 01:14:51,720
He hadn't been seen for six years.
1149
01:14:53,955 --> 01:14:55,557
He asked if he could help.
1150
01:14:56,458 --> 01:14:58,860
Syd came in and sat down ,
1151
01:14:58,927 --> 01:15:02,163
David and Roger
started talking to him.
1152
01:15:02,230 --> 01:15:06,668
I then took this opportunity
to snap a couple of photos
1153
01:15:06,735 --> 01:15:09,637
with the camera that
I'd only had a couple of days
1154
01:15:09,704 --> 01:15:12,340
as a present from the band
after we'd done Knebworth.
1155
01:15:14,009 --> 01:15:17,712
Il lurns oul I was uslng
a slow speert ouldoor fllm.
1156
01:15:18,847 --> 01:15:21,049
So piclures indoors
are a llllle bll gralny.
1157
01:15:22,283 --> 01:15:26,721
Roger bart Brlan Humphrles, lbe englneer
play blm lbe enrt of "Shlne On '
1158
01:15:26,788 --> 01:15:30,458
wbich fealures lhe melorty Ilne
of 'ee Emlly Play'
1159
01:15:30,525 --> 01:15:32,827
Roger asked him afterwards
if he recognised it
1160
01:15:32,894 --> 01:15:36,664
and Syd just said no.
1161
01:15:36,731 --> 01:15:38,133
Very blank, "No."
1162
01:15:39,567 --> 01:15:41,102
Syrt dlrtplck up lhe Martln,
1163
01:15:41,169 --> 01:15:44,205
lbe D-35 gullar
In lhe conlrol room lhere.
1164
01:15:44,272 --> 01:15:46,608
I don 'I lhlnk be played
anylhlng In partlcular.
1165
01:15:48,109 --> 01:15:49,544
Then what happened?
1166
01:15:51,579 --> 01:15:56,518
Nothing , we carried on working ,
as far as I remember.
1167
01:15:56,584 --> 01:15:58,286
Probably a lillle bll shellsbocked.
1168
01:16:00,522 --> 01:16:03,725
Rlck was lerrlbly upsel
anrt Roger crlert.
1169
01:16:04,959 --> 01:16:08,763
Oflen people forgel lhal
allhougb Syd was a buge lalenl,
1170
01:16:08,830 --> 01:16:12,200
lhis is a lalent lhal was
all loo soDn losl lo us.
1171
01:16:13,435 --> 01:16:17,906
And that the band , had Ioved him.
1172
01:16:29,117 --> 01:16:33,188
Remember wben you were yDung,
you shone llke lhe sun
1173
01:16:33,621 --> 01:16:35,590
Sblne on you crazy dlamond
1174
01:16:37,559 --> 01:16:41,763
Now lhere's a look In your eyes
llke black holes In lhe sky
1175
01:16:43,064 --> 01:16:44,966
Sblne on you crazy dlamond
1176
01:16:46,434 --> 01:16:51,739
You were caugbl in lhe crDssfire
of cbllrthoort anrt slarrtom
1177
01:16:53,775 --> 01:16:55,610
Blown on lhe sleel breeze
1178
01:16:57,412 --> 01:17:01,916
Come on you slranger,
you legenrt, you martyr anrt shlne
1179
01:18:00,375 --> 01:18:02,243
In spile of his now cull slalus
1180
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:05,813
In lhe eyes of a new generalion
of fans anrt muslclans,
1181
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,318
In I 978 Barrell sells lhe rlghls lo
hls sDlo albums lo lhe record company.
1182
01:18:11,753 --> 01:18:15,123
By I 98 I, be's faclng
bankruplcy proceertings.
1183
01:18:17,192 --> 01:18:21,963
In I 982, Syrt walks lbe 50 mlles
from fondon back lo Cambrldge,
1184
01:18:22,030 --> 01:18:24,232
relurnlng home for lhe lasl llme.
1185
01:18:37,245 --> 01:18:39,314
He hart enormous bllslers on bls el
1186
01:18:39,380 --> 01:18:41,716
and he was lying
on lbe sofa wllb his feel up
1187
01:18:41,783 --> 01:18:43,618
lrylng lo gel lhese blislers menrtert.
1188
01:18:45,153 --> 01:18:47,922
He just wanted to get home
and he hadn't got any money.
1189
01:18:48,022 --> 01:18:51,292
You've gol lo remember lhal be never
ld a day's work In his llfe,
1190
01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:53,661
getllng a salary or a wage packel.
1191
01:18:53,728 --> 01:18:57,232
He never bart lhal, so he never
aclual!y grew up lo be responslble
1192
01:18:57,298 --> 01:18:58,666
because he never needed lo.
1193
01:18:58,733 --> 01:19:01,569
And I suppose all of us,
if we d idn't need to, we wouldn't do it.
1194
01:19:01,636 --> 01:19:03,404
It's more fun being a child , isn't it?
1195
01:19:05,974 --> 01:19:07,542
We usert lo go oul In lhe car,
1196
01:19:07,609 --> 01:19:10,812
go lo areas where be coulrt
pbDtograph for a palnllng.
1197
01:19:10,878 --> 01:19:14,215
So we spenl a lol of llme
al Grantcbesler, whlch is just nearby.
1198
01:19:14,916 --> 01:19:18,253
He went back lo Cambrlrtge anrt
his art very much reflecls lhal.
1199
01:19:18,319 --> 01:19:20,088
You could say
ll's a relurn lo landscape.
1200
01:19:20,154 --> 01:19:24,125
- What happened to the work?
- He wasn't keen on keeping his works.
1201
01:19:24,192 --> 01:19:26,327
Il's nol lbal be rtirtn 'I care
r tbem aflerwards
1202
01:19:26,394 --> 01:19:28,429
because be rtid lake pbolos of lbem.
1203
01:19:28,529 --> 01:19:30,632
But he did tend to destroy work.
1204
01:19:30,732 --> 01:19:35,303
Syd marte lhlngs anrt lhen seemert
lo deslroy lhem, Dr so we 're lolrt,
1205
01:19:35,370 --> 01:19:36,938
anrt I'm wonderlng whal lhal means.
1206
01:19:37,739 --> 01:19:39,841
Maybe he rtlrtn 'I llke
loo much cluller.
1207
01:19:40,241 --> 01:19:42,777
It's called 'Syd's Feng Shui'.
1208
01:19:46,981 --> 01:19:48,650
He needert a lDt of support.
1209
01:19:48,716 --> 01:19:50,385
He was rtistressert.
1210
01:19:51,386 --> 01:19:55,290
PDr 25 years or so
be was my responslbilily.
1211
01:19:57,091 --> 01:19:58,192
I cared for him.
1212
01:19:59,761 --> 01:20:03,564
He 'd come on his blke and
he 'dgDl a canvas shopplng bag,
1213
01:20:03,631 --> 01:20:05,400
very much nn old person's tblng.
1214
01:20:05,466 --> 01:20:07,502
I said to him ,
"Do you know who I am?"
1215
01:20:07,568 --> 01:20:10,204
And he said , "Yes, I do.
It's Libby isn't it?"
1216
01:20:10,271 --> 01:20:11,773
I said , "Yes, it is."
1217
01:20:11,839 --> 01:20:13,308
And we talked for a little while.
1218
01:20:13,374 --> 01:20:16,377
That's a strange question to ask,
"Do you know who I am?"
1219
01:20:16,444 --> 01:20:18,313
I know who you are,
you don't have to ask me.
1220
01:20:18,379 --> 01:20:20,248
I did have to ask him ,
he looked different.
1221
01:20:22,050 --> 01:20:25,186
He lolnlly moved on
and dldn 'I llke lhal person,
1222
01:20:25,253 --> 01:20:28,990
he rtldn't like lhal worlrt
anrt dldn 'I wanl lo be remlnrted of ll.
1223
01:20:29,557 --> 01:20:31,259
When people came
lo lhe rtoor, he 'rt say,
1224
01:20:31,326 --> 01:20:33,027
'yd rtoesn 'I llve here nnymore."
1225
01:20:33,094 --> 01:20:34,429
Because be rtlrtn 'I.
1226
01:20:35,330 --> 01:20:36,764
He wasn't Syd anymore.
1227
01:20:38,700 --> 01:20:42,503
I lblnk ll's mosl unlikely
lhalyDu can relnvenlyourself,
1228
01:20:42,570 --> 01:20:46,374
lbal you can become an orrtlnary bloke
wbo goes rtown lhe pub and plays rtarts
1229
01:20:46,441 --> 01:20:47,842
wben you've been a rock slar,
1230
01:20:47,909 --> 01:20:50,511
wben you've been in lhe hll
pararte and lhen you're nol.
1231
01:20:51,979 --> 01:20:55,016
DD you lblnk people llke
lo embrolrter anrt romance lblngs ?
1232
01:20:55,083 --> 01:20:56,684
He's perfecl for rumours.
1233
01:20:56,784 --> 01:20:59,087
A magnellc person
who's had so much lmpacl
1234
01:20:59,153 --> 01:21:02,323
anrt lhe banrt wenl on going on
belng more anrt more successful.
1235
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:04,025
And where was Syd?
1236
01:21:04,092 --> 01:21:05,793
Perfect for rumours.
1237
01:21:05,860 --> 01:21:09,197
I know the Daily Mail
on a quiet celebrity period ,
1238
01:21:09,297 --> 01:21:12,166
would rediscover him
every three years, you know.
1239
01:21:12,233 --> 01:21:13,801
"The mad genius of Pink FIoyd ."
1240
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,343
I have a feellng lhal unrternealh
a lol of lhls is a sartness.
1241
01:21:22,410 --> 01:21:24,512
Yes, bul you rton't know, you see.
1242
01:21:24,579 --> 01:21:28,249
Whal was he lhlnking on bis
bicycle In Cambrlrtge on his own ?
1243
01:21:30,818 --> 01:21:33,287
We can lalk aboul ll forever
bul we won 'I know.
1244
01:22:09,323 --> 01:22:11,859
Il's nol for us lo say
how people shoulrt be.
1245
01:22:11,926 --> 01:22:14,095
Of course, ll wDuld have been
great If be 'rt gone on
1246
01:22:14,162 --> 01:22:16,130
to prortuce sluff all hls llfe,
bul he dlrtn 'I.
1247
01:22:16,197 --> 01:22:17,265
Anrt wby?
1248
01:22:17,365 --> 01:22:20,368
You could say
he was in a weather system ,
1249
01:22:20,435 --> 01:22:24,472
something bigger than him
that turned him over.
1250
01:22:25,273 --> 01:22:28,142
And it was sunny
for the first two weeks
1251
01:22:28,209 --> 01:22:29,710
and it rained for six years.
1252
01:22:33,481 --> 01:22:38,085
There was a lragedy belng playert Dul
partly self-lnduced.
1253
01:22:38,786 --> 01:22:43,558
In lbe end, il's a lraglc lale
1254
01:22:43,624 --> 01:22:48,229
anrt lraglc lales resonale
wilh us In a dlfferenl way
1255
01:22:48,296 --> 01:22:51,599
and perhaps more
aculely lhan lales of trlumpb.
1256
01:22:53,801 --> 01:22:56,637
Oul In lrtabD,
lbey know who Plnk Ployrt are.
1257
01:22:56,704 --> 01:22:58,773
They probably don't know
who Syd Barrett is.
1258
01:22:59,073 --> 01:23:03,744
He's the old singer in the band
that I love, which is Pink Floyd.
1259
01:23:04,212 --> 01:23:08,082
The banrt we know Floyd ID be nDw,
wouldn 'I be here wllhoul Syd.
1260
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:10,117
Bul ll doesn 'I really bear
much resemblance
1261
01:23:10,184 --> 01:23:11,419
lo lbe banrt lbal Syd was In.
1262
01:23:12,286 --> 01:23:15,923
Whal would ll have sounrtert llke
If be bart slayert in lhe band?
1263
01:23:16,023 --> 01:23:18,326
I would hope
that he would be able to see
1264
01:23:18,392 --> 01:23:20,695
what a beautiful thing
it ended up being.
1265
01:23:20,962 --> 01:23:23,531
He ld lbings for lhelr own sake
1266
01:23:23,598 --> 01:23:26,400
an be rtepenrtert heavlly
on hls Dwn chllrthoort memDries.
1267
01:23:26,467 --> 01:23:28,469
Bul I lbink lhal's alsD
a goort Iesson lo us all,
1268
01:23:28,536 --> 01:23:32,039
lo go back lnslrte yourselves
and see whal you can flnrt.
1269
01:23:33,074 --> 01:23:35,643
Now I don 'I unrterstanrt
how borlng muslc can be,
1270
01:23:35,710 --> 01:23:38,379
wben al one polnl
someborty was lrylng lo pul
1271
01:23:38,446 --> 01:23:42,717
so much lnto ur mlnules
wDrtb of lislenlng
1272
01:23:42,783 --> 01:23:47,922
anrt lhe ear was enlertalned.
1273
01:23:49,991 --> 01:23:55,196
I hope lhal young people lhink lwlce
because look whal can happen.
1274
01:23:57,064 --> 01:23:59,767
It'd be nice to think
that people could Iearn a bit.
1275
01:24:03,738 --> 01:24:09,010
There are some people who must
have a weakness of some sort
1276
01:24:09,076 --> 01:24:12,179
that is like a switch
waiting to be turned.
1277
01:24:12,246 --> 01:24:15,316
And lhal swilcb wlll go and
lhey'll never qulte come back.
1278
01:24:15,850 --> 01:24:18,920
I lhlnk il's really bard
lo nol feel somelbing.
1279
01:24:18,986 --> 01:24:21,522
We probably dlrt
aboul as mucb as we could.
1280
01:24:21,589 --> 01:24:23,057
We were all very young.
1281
01:24:23,124 --> 01:24:25,960
- Bul I bave a regret or lwo.
- In whal form ?
1282
01:24:26,060 --> 01:24:28,029
That I never went to see him.
1283
01:24:28,095 --> 01:24:30,164
H is family kind of discouraged it.
1284
01:24:30,231 --> 01:24:31,566
Maybe we shoulrt have.
1285
01:24:31,632 --> 01:24:34,268
I regret that I never went up
to his house in Cambridge.
1286
01:24:34,335 --> 01:24:36,604
- I n the '80s you mean?
- '80s, '90s, 2000s.
1287
01:24:36,671 --> 01:24:37,872
I did n't go either.
1288
01:24:37,939 --> 01:24:41,108
None of us did ,
but I think, in retrospect,
1289
01:24:41,175 --> 01:24:44,979
both Syd and I
might have gained something
1290
01:24:45,046 --> 01:24:49,717
out of one or two people
popping around to his house
1291
01:24:49,784 --> 01:24:51,018
for a cup of tea.
1292
01:24:51,085 --> 01:24:56,724
There's this bloke who changed the Iives
of everyone arou nd him.
1293
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:04,031
- Yeah , I think.. .
- It's a terrible story.
1294
01:25:04,098 --> 01:25:07,335
- Sorry?
- It's a terrible story, Storm.
1295
01:25:07,401 --> 01:25:11,005
- It's a sad story.
- It's a very, very sad story.
1296
01:25:12,873 --> 01:25:14,742
Is it a sad story?
I wonder.
1297
01:25:16,277 --> 01:25:18,512
I don't think so, Storm , no.
1298
01:25:18,579 --> 01:25:20,181
- Sorry?
- I don't think so.
1299
01:25:21,115 --> 01:25:22,116
I hope not.
1300
01:25:26,053 --> 01:25:29,724
I suppose it's because
I partly feel he was unfulfilled
1301
01:25:29,790 --> 01:25:33,527
but that's just my projection
rather than what he felt.
1302
01:25:33,594 --> 01:25:34,395
Yeah.
1303
01:25:35,262 --> 01:25:39,600
Well , all right,
it's sad in this way.
1304
01:25:40,234 --> 01:25:45,439
We lboughl we were mDvlng
In lhls wonderful rtlrecllon lo ulopla.
1305
01:25:46,407 --> 01:25:49,844
We were fully engagert
In lbe blp dream
1306
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:51,579
and ll was a rtream.
1307
01:25:51,646 --> 01:25:56,584
We hart splrllual helgbls
In our slghts anrt Syrt loo.
1308
01:26:15,636 --> 01:26:17,838
Do you bave anytblng to lell me ?
1309
01:26:30,618 --> 01:26:31,485
Yeah.
1310
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:34,388
OK, Syd.
1311
01:26:34,455 --> 01:26:36,257
I can't, I sort of...
1312
01:26:45,566 --> 01:26:46,600
I can't really say.
1313
01:27:25,372 --> 01:27:29,877
If you were, bypolhellcally,
to wrlle a leller lo Syd...
1314
01:27:29,944 --> 01:27:31,879
Writing to him now? Yeah.
1315
01:27:31,946 --> 01:27:34,281
It would take me ages, I think.
1316
01:27:35,216 --> 01:27:39,653
I would say that he was a good man .
"You were a good man.
1317
01:27:40,287 --> 01:27:44,558
And it's terribly sad
what happened to you.
1318
01:27:44,625 --> 01:27:47,528
Sorry about all the rubbish
that gets written about you
1319
01:27:47,595 --> 01:27:49,864
and the silly stories that get told ."
1320
01:27:51,298 --> 01:27:55,369
"I'm glart lbal you managed
to gel away from all lbal martness
1321
01:27:55,436 --> 01:27:57,972
tbat was gDlng on
In LDnrton arounrt your llfe.
1322
01:27:58,038 --> 01:28:01,876
And I hope that you were happy."
1323
01:28:08,382 --> 01:28:11,485
I'd say, "Syd come back,"
because he became Roger
1324
01:28:11,552 --> 01:28:13,454
and I don't think
Roger was any happier.
1325
01:28:14,421 --> 01:28:17,258
A lol Df people tblnk my cnreer
slarted wllh David Bowle
1326
01:28:17,324 --> 01:28:22,129
anrt I'rt bave lo say, well, of course,
really tbe beglnning was Syd Barrell.
1327
01:28:22,830 --> 01:28:23,864
So, thank you Syd.
1328
01:28:25,966 --> 01:28:28,402
I always go back, revisll his work,
1329
01:28:28,469 --> 01:28:33,374
anrt il's always as good as I gel
olrter and my underslanrting grows.
1330
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:35,709
For me, he's like the perfect artist.
1331
01:28:35,776 --> 01:28:39,313
So, I'd like to give him a hug.
1332
01:28:49,657 --> 01:28:53,527
It's very interesting
that you bring up memory.
1333
01:28:53,594 --> 01:28:58,532
And clearly this whole story
that you're trying to tell about Syd
1334
01:28:58,599 --> 01:29:01,769
depends upon the memories
of people of our age.
1335
01:29:01,836 --> 01:29:03,704
SIippery memories, aren't they?
1336
01:29:03,771 --> 01:29:09,577
Well , we all know that we make up
memories to suit our egos.
1337
01:29:09,643 --> 01:29:12,079
- Thank you very mucb.
- No.
1338
01:29:12,146 --> 01:29:13,414
Thal was greal.
1339
01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:15,516
Il was nice lo be lertgenlly back.
1340
01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:21,922
It's actually quite emotionaI
1341
01:29:21,989 --> 01:29:24,792
standing up here with these
three guys after all these years.
1342
01:29:27,661 --> 01:29:29,997
Standing to be counted
with the rest of you.
1343
01:29:32,967 --> 01:29:36,136
Anyway, we're doing this
for everybody who's not here,
1344
01:29:36,203 --> 01:29:38,072
and particularly, of course, for Syd.
1345
01:31:26,046 --> 01:31:27,448
Syd, are you ready?
1346
01:31:27,514 --> 01:31:29,249
- Yeab.
- Off you go.
1347
01:33:42,182 --> 01:33:43,884
I'll rtD ll on lop, rlghl?
1348
01:33:43,951 --> 01:33:45,319
I'll slart agaln.
1349
01:33:47,254 --> 01:33:48,255
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