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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:27,727 --> 00:00:29,929 "Fnme requlres every kind of excess. 2 00:00:30,863 --> 00:00:32,498 I mean lrue me. 3 00:00:32,565 --> 00:00:34,734 A rtevouring neon. 4 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,936 Long journeys across grey space. 5 00:00:38,237 --> 00:00:39,372 Danger. 6 00:00:39,438 --> 00:00:40,640 Tbe edge of every vold. 7 00:00:41,774 --> 00:00:44,877 Unrterslnnd lhe man who musl lnhabll tbese exlreme reglons. 8 00:00:45,678 --> 00:00:49,148 Even If half-mart, be is absorbert inlo lhe publlc's lolal madness. 9 00:00:50,349 --> 00:00:53,586 Even If fully rallDnal, a bureaucrnl In hell, 10 00:00:53,653 --> 00:00:55,788 a secret genlus of survlval, 11 00:00:55,855 --> 00:00:58,891 he ls sure lo be rteslrDyert by lhe publlc's conlempl for survlvors." 12 00:01:09,769 --> 00:01:13,239 What are you working on at the moment inside yourself? 13 00:01:13,306 --> 00:01:14,774 I can't really say. 14 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,878 Maybe this break would be very valuable 15 00:01:18,945 --> 00:01:23,482 to try painting again after a break of going into pop music. 16 00:01:23,549 --> 00:01:24,550 I don't know. 17 00:01:25,318 --> 00:01:26,786 If I wanted to say nothing , 18 00:01:26,852 --> 00:01:31,057 or if I want to act in an extraordinary way, 19 00:01:32,091 --> 00:01:34,327 then I feel that that too is justified. 20 00:01:37,997 --> 00:01:40,766 Syd Barrell, one of lbe foundlng members of Pink Ployrt, 21 00:01:40,833 --> 00:01:42,568 has rtled al lhe age of 60. 22 00:01:43,970 --> 00:01:47,373 A slalemenl from lhe band descrlbert hlm as a gulrtlng llgbl 23 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,977 who leaves a legacy wbich conllnues lo inspire. 24 00:01:51,043 --> 00:01:54,046 He lefl lhe Plnk Ployrt In I 968 25 00:01:54,113 --> 00:01:57,850 anrt llved as a recluse In Cambrlrtge for lhree decades. 26 00:02:16,569 --> 00:02:20,473 How woulrt you descrlbe, now In your malurily... 27 00:02:22,375 --> 00:02:23,376 Thank you. 28 00:02:24,143 --> 00:02:26,312 ...his contribution to Pink FIoyd? 29 00:02:27,346 --> 00:02:30,549 Well, ll wouldn 'I bave exisled If il hartn 'I been for Syd. 30 00:02:31,784 --> 00:02:34,954 We would have been one of those thousands and thousands of bands 31 00:02:35,021 --> 00:02:38,057 who come up and they play blues and "Louie Louie". 32 00:02:38,124 --> 00:02:41,761 They might write the odd crappy song and then they disappear. 33 00:02:41,827 --> 00:02:43,929 They get proper jobs and that's the end of it. 34 00:02:48,701 --> 00:02:50,436 I rtlscDvered Plnk Floyd's muslc 35 00:02:50,503 --> 00:02:52,471 lhrougb lhe music lhey marte In lhe lnle '70s. 36 00:02:52,538 --> 00:02:54,640 For people lhal gol lnlo Plnk Ployrt at lhal polnl 37 00:02:54,707 --> 00:02:57,076 and were lislenlng lo lhose recorrts flrsl, 38 00:02:57,143 --> 00:02:59,545 lhey knew lbal lhere hnrt been lhis guy Syd In lhe band. 39 00:02:59,612 --> 00:03:02,581 The slory was always, "Oh, be wenl mart anrt left lhe group." 40 00:03:02,648 --> 00:03:04,016 That's all we knew aboul ll. 41 00:03:10,656 --> 00:03:14,960 There was rellglous acld laking al lbal llme. 42 00:03:15,027 --> 00:03:20,232 Syrt was one of lhe sort of salnts of lhal unrterground cull. 43 00:03:24,203 --> 00:03:27,807 Flleralure anrt lbe Bible for example, ls full of people 44 00:03:27,873 --> 00:03:29,675 who rtellberalely lsolalert lbemselves. 45 00:03:29,742 --> 00:03:31,544 The bermils who wenl lnlo lbe rtesert. 46 00:03:32,378 --> 00:03:36,415 People who had visions, who preferred to be on their own. 47 00:03:36,482 --> 00:03:39,051 And others, who having those experiences, 48 00:03:39,118 --> 00:03:41,520 were determined to preach to the multitude. 49 00:03:45,391 --> 00:03:47,860 Tbe romanllc ideal is 50 00:03:47,927 --> 00:03:53,365 lbal a creallve persDn ls rtrawn by somelhlng so powerful 51 00:03:53,466 --> 00:03:56,435 tbat be, or she, wlll follow lhal 52 00:03:56,502 --> 00:03:59,805 regarrtless of tbe prlce lhnl has ID be palrt. 53 00:04:01,107 --> 00:04:03,209 These people are oul lhere In fronl. 54 00:04:03,275 --> 00:04:05,177 They're nDt looklng over lhelr shoulder, 55 00:04:05,244 --> 00:04:06,445 lbey're just gonna do il. 56 00:04:08,781 --> 00:04:11,117 Syrt is lhe ulllmale kind of Ioner. 57 00:04:11,183 --> 00:04:14,787 Il's lhe same a llllle bll wllh Brlan Jones or somelblng. 58 00:04:25,631 --> 00:04:28,000 I suppose whal ls sad is aboul someborty 59 00:04:28,067 --> 00:04:32,071 who ls slill exlremely relevanl, just rtecldes lo slop. 60 00:04:32,505 --> 00:04:37,076 It's OK when someone carries on into irrelevance and then stops. 61 00:04:37,143 --> 00:04:38,210 No one cares. 62 00:04:38,778 --> 00:04:43,716 Tbe lasl tblng be was lnlereslert In was explalnlng hlmself 63 00:04:43,783 --> 00:04:49,388 Anrt consequenlly, he became a flgure of lnlense-focused lnleresl, 64 00:04:50,422 --> 00:04:52,324 because lhere was a myslery lhere. 65 00:04:58,531 --> 00:05:00,800 He's tbe perfecl gort, you see. 66 00:05:01,333 --> 00:05:06,138 A god must actually be killed and eaten , 67 00:05:06,906 --> 00:05:08,941 but then he must be reborn. 68 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,242 Tbe life of Syrt Barrell, 69 00:05:43,309 --> 00:05:47,146 foundlng member of Plnk Ployrt, is full of unanswerert questlons. 70 00:05:48,881 --> 00:05:52,284 Thougb he named lhe group and wrole lhelr flrsl lwo hll songs, 71 00:05:52,351 --> 00:05:55,020 Barrell was laler pushed out of lhe banrt by lls members, 72 00:05:55,087 --> 00:05:58,891 who were convlnced be was baving an fSD-lnrtucedpsychollc breakdown. 73 00:06:01,527 --> 00:06:04,196 Bul ID examlne lbe complex slory of Syd Barrell, 74 00:06:04,263 --> 00:06:05,564 Dne neerts lo lake a lrip. 75 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,035 A lrlp back lo lbe plcluresque and bislorlc 76 00:06:10,102 --> 00:06:12,538 Engllsb unlverslly lDwn of Cambridge. 77 00:06:41,300 --> 00:06:46,071 Roger Keilh Barrell was born in Cambrldge on January 6lh I 946. 78 00:06:46,705 --> 00:06:50,342 One of five chllrtren, closesl lo hls slsler Rosemary. 79 00:06:51,510 --> 00:06:54,313 He was always wanling lbe nexl bll of fun. 80 00:06:55,848 --> 00:06:58,083 And if it didn't arrive, then he'd make it. 81 00:06:58,851 --> 00:07:01,420 I can remember Dnce al lhe dlnner lable, 82 00:07:01,487 --> 00:07:04,556 when he had a !lllle bit of cabbage sllcklng oul Df bis moulh. 83 00:07:04,623 --> 00:07:07,359 He knew it was there and he kept it there for the whole meal 84 00:07:07,426 --> 00:07:08,761 and pretended he didn't know. 85 00:07:08,827 --> 00:07:12,031 Of course, everybody was giggling because his face was, 86 00:07:12,097 --> 00:07:14,233 "I know it's there, I know you're Iaughing at me 87 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:15,534 but I'm going to ignore it." 88 00:07:17,770 --> 00:07:20,773 Barrell's falher, a palhologist and avlrt bolanlsl, 89 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:23,342 encouraged lhe artisllc leanings of hls son, 90 00:07:23,409 --> 00:07:24,877 who loved lo wrlle anrt draw. 91 00:07:26,779 --> 00:07:28,681 By lhe age of I 3 or I4, 92 00:07:28,747 --> 00:07:31,984 Roger hart acqulred lhe nickname yrt' from bls friends al school. 93 00:07:32,084 --> 00:07:35,254 As legend bas ll, after a local jazz bass player, 94 00:07:35,321 --> 00:07:36,922 Syd 'lhe beat' Barrelt. 95 00:07:38,757 --> 00:07:42,027 Al bDme he remalnert Roger or Rog. 96 00:07:47,599 --> 00:07:50,102 I'm speaking at this Ievel . I'm speaking at this Ievel. 97 00:07:50,169 --> 00:07:54,106 Ok. This is slate three. 98 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:59,311 I believe Storm's interview, it's 08: 10. 99 00:07:59,378 --> 00:08:00,512 Big clap. 100 00:08:01,580 --> 00:08:05,017 My name is Slorm. I knew Syd In lhe early '60s. 101 00:08:05,084 --> 00:08:06,618 We were bolh al lhe same scbDol 102 00:08:06,685 --> 00:08:09,555 as Roger and Dave, wbo became Plnk Ployrt Dbvlously. 103 00:08:12,925 --> 00:08:15,928 The peer group In Cambrlrtge lhal Syd was part of 104 00:08:15,995 --> 00:08:18,697 was full of asplring artlsls. 105 00:08:18,764 --> 00:08:22,001 Nol businessmen, nol mertical, nol lawyers. 106 00:08:22,968 --> 00:08:24,403 Syd was nol unusual 107 00:08:24,470 --> 00:08:26,805 and seemert lo be as be were one of lhe gang. 108 00:08:27,239 --> 00:08:29,541 Tbe group evolvert by ltself 109 00:08:29,608 --> 00:08:31,777 Noborty was really lhe learter. 110 00:08:31,877 --> 00:08:34,313 The cenlres of Seamus and Storm 111 00:08:34,380 --> 00:08:37,049 was slmply because lbelr molhers were very lnrtulgent 112 00:08:37,116 --> 00:08:38,550 lowarrts leenage boys. 113 00:08:38,951 --> 00:08:43,355 Tbe start came al Cherry Hlnlon Roart al your mDtber's bDuse. 114 00:08:43,856 --> 00:08:46,625 I tended to be into beer and jazz and students. 115 00:08:46,692 --> 00:08:50,729 Your lot were more into drugs and rock music and cool people. 116 00:08:50,796 --> 00:08:52,097 I deny it totally. 117 00:08:52,197 --> 00:08:56,135 I wenl lo lhe cDunly hlgb school, Cambrlrtgeshlre Hlgb School for boys, 118 00:08:56,201 --> 00:08:58,504 and was in the same year as Syd. 119 00:08:58,604 --> 00:09:02,775 We had lo choose belween woortwork, melal work anrt nrt. 120 00:09:02,841 --> 00:09:04,276 SD I wenl lnlo lhe art class 121 00:09:04,376 --> 00:09:07,346 and there I discovered a bunch of people who were useless. 122 00:09:07,813 --> 00:09:10,082 A leacher who was equnlly useless, 123 00:09:10,149 --> 00:09:12,684 bul one slurtenl by lhe name of Roger Barrell, 124 00:09:12,751 --> 00:09:16,221 hart a flare way beyond his years. 125 00:09:17,456 --> 00:09:20,559 Tbe Chrislmas holirtay of I 96 I was overshadowert 126 00:09:20,626 --> 00:09:22,361 by his falber's rtealh from cancer, 127 00:09:22,428 --> 00:09:24,596 just a montb before Syrt's I 6lh blrthday. 128 00:09:25,164 --> 00:09:28,167 Syrt's famlly moves lo I 83 Hllls Roart. 129 00:09:28,233 --> 00:09:30,669 Libby Gausden llves several houses up lbe streel. 130 00:09:31,570 --> 00:09:33,839 I mel Syrt, I lbink, in I 96 I. 131 00:09:33,906 --> 00:09:35,441 We 'rt have bolh been I 5. 132 00:09:36,175 --> 00:09:37,543 Where did you meel? 133 00:09:37,609 --> 00:09:39,578 I met him at Jesus Green , 134 00:09:39,645 --> 00:09:42,114 which is a wonderful place in Cambridge. 135 00:09:42,181 --> 00:09:44,983 I'd been swimming and diving actually with Dave Gilmour. 136 00:09:45,284 --> 00:09:47,719 Afler lbe swlmmlng, I came oul wllh some frlenrts 137 00:09:47,786 --> 00:09:51,623 anrt we were messing aboul on lhe see-saw oulslrte. 138 00:09:51,690 --> 00:09:52,724 And I mel Syd lhere. 139 00:09:53,125 --> 00:09:55,894 He was kind, he was gentle, he was generous, 140 00:09:55,994 --> 00:09:58,130 he llked buylng presenls. 141 00:09:58,197 --> 00:09:59,698 He wrole lo me all lbe llme. 142 00:10:00,132 --> 00:10:03,502 I hart always lhougbl of you as Syd's flrsl major glrlfrlenrt. 143 00:10:03,569 --> 00:10:05,170 We were always logelher. 144 00:10:05,237 --> 00:10:07,206 Wben you wenl oul wltb hlm how was he ? 145 00:10:07,272 --> 00:10:10,476 It always looked like he was full of the joys of spring , which he was. 146 00:10:12,444 --> 00:10:15,314 Fel's go back, way back lo lhe early '60s. 147 00:10:15,380 --> 00:10:17,950 Whal ls your abldlng memory of Syrt? 148 00:10:18,417 --> 00:10:23,555 Just a guy who was fiercely intelligent and Ioads of fun. 149 00:10:24,056 --> 00:10:26,692 Life was just loo easy for hlm really In a way. 150 00:10:27,726 --> 00:10:30,162 He had huge gifts 151 00:10:30,229 --> 00:10:33,098 which were natural to him so he did n't see them as huge. 152 00:10:33,198 --> 00:10:35,801 Everything he turned his hand to worked. 153 00:10:35,868 --> 00:10:39,171 The girls worked , the painting worked , the music worked , 154 00:10:39,238 --> 00:10:40,706 the friendships worked. 155 00:10:40,939 --> 00:10:42,641 I always remember Syrt's balr. 156 00:10:42,708 --> 00:10:43,675 - DD you? - Yeab. 157 00:10:43,742 --> 00:10:46,378 - Curly, black. - Yenh, lDvely. 158 00:10:47,146 --> 00:10:48,780 Anrt I nlso remember his walk. 159 00:10:48,847 --> 00:10:50,983 - He smelled nice. - Sorry? 160 00:10:51,049 --> 00:10:52,284 He smelled nice. 161 00:10:52,818 --> 00:10:54,753 You could see lhls exlraordlnary buoyancy 162 00:10:54,820 --> 00:10:57,723 whlch was mosl clearly evlrtencert In tbe way be wa!ked. 163 00:10:57,789 --> 00:11:00,459 He walked with a bounce, he walked on the front of his feet 164 00:11:00,526 --> 00:11:02,561 with his heels off the ground all the time. 165 00:11:02,895 --> 00:11:06,598 You cDuld spol him several bunrtrert yards away In Cambrldge 166 00:11:06,665 --> 00:11:08,033 wanderlng up lbe slreel. 167 00:11:08,133 --> 00:11:11,036 We usert lo go on my Vespa rtDwn to Hllls Road 168 00:11:11,103 --> 00:11:13,205 for lhese Sunrtay aflernoon jam sesslons, 169 00:11:13,272 --> 00:11:16,742 where I saw Syrtplaylng gullar for lhe firsl llme. 170 00:11:22,848 --> 00:11:25,250 The muslc sirte of lbe slory really begins 171 00:11:25,317 --> 00:11:28,954 wilh Geoff Moll Anrt The Molloes, of whicb Syd was an augusl member. 172 00:11:29,621 --> 00:11:33,625 I remember when Syd bought his first Futurama. 173 00:11:33,692 --> 00:11:35,661 It was bright red as I recalI 174 00:11:35,727 --> 00:11:38,330 and he used to Iearn Duane Eddy things on it 175 00:11:38,397 --> 00:11:39,731 like "Walk Don't Run". 176 00:11:42,467 --> 00:11:45,370 We 'rt slarted lo go lo sbo In fondon 177 00:11:45,437 --> 00:11:49,775 anrt I remember sllllng on lhe lraln havlng seen Gene Vlncenl. 178 00:11:50,609 --> 00:11:52,611 We sat there with a piece of paper 179 00:11:53,445 --> 00:11:57,583 and figured out the amplification for the band 180 00:11:57,649 --> 00:11:58,717 that we were going to be. 181 00:11:58,784 --> 00:12:01,987 It had two VOX AC30s drawn on it. 182 00:12:02,054 --> 00:12:04,590 And we were going , "Well , the vocals and the bass 183 00:12:04,656 --> 00:12:06,358 and then this can go through this one. 184 00:12:06,425 --> 00:12:07,859 The rhythm guitar... 185 00:12:07,926 --> 00:12:10,862 Will we have a keyboard? Don't know, maybe." 186 00:12:12,764 --> 00:12:14,499 He used to appear at parties 187 00:12:14,566 --> 00:12:17,002 of which we had quite a lot of in Cambridge at that time. 188 00:12:28,981 --> 00:12:32,584 He used lo play a lol of lhe songs lbal later became songs on bls album. 189 00:12:34,219 --> 00:12:36,588 But because he was just as he were one of the gang , 190 00:12:36,655 --> 00:12:38,890 I don't think anybody thought anything about him. 191 00:12:48,667 --> 00:12:50,002 He had lhls grln 192 00:12:50,068 --> 00:12:52,671 you coulrt mlslake for a smirk bul it wasn 'I. 193 00:12:52,738 --> 00:12:55,741 Il was almosl llke be knew somelhing you rtlrtn 'I know. 194 00:12:55,807 --> 00:12:57,075 He was one of those people 195 00:12:57,142 --> 00:12:59,711 that was part of the crowd very much so 196 00:12:59,778 --> 00:13:02,214 and then the next minute, he'd slipped away from a room. 197 00:13:02,314 --> 00:13:05,250 And ll'rt be, "Where's Syd?" Noborty knows. 198 00:13:10,722 --> 00:13:12,624 Syd's enlhuslasm for palnllng 199 00:13:12,691 --> 00:13:15,861 sees hlm enrol al lhe Cambrirtge School of Art In I 962. 200 00:13:16,561 --> 00:13:19,998 Slmullaneously, be rtlscDvers Bealpoelry, Kerouac 201 00:13:20,065 --> 00:13:21,566 anrt rhylhm anrt blues. 202 00:13:21,633 --> 00:13:22,934 He gets lnlo The Bealles 203 00:13:23,001 --> 00:13:24,836 and sees lhe Rolllng Slones In concert. 204 00:13:25,871 --> 00:13:27,606 He drew very often 205 00:13:27,673 --> 00:13:32,477 with a lovely kind of whirly twirly drawing quality. 206 00:13:32,544 --> 00:13:35,013 Very refined line I would say. 207 00:13:35,614 --> 00:13:37,516 He seemert lo me a born painler 208 00:13:37,582 --> 00:13:40,686 anrt lo have really lhe lemperamenl of a born palnler. 209 00:13:41,019 --> 00:13:43,855 SIightly recessive and contemplative. 210 00:13:44,756 --> 00:13:46,591 I had laken up pnlnllng. 211 00:13:46,658 --> 00:13:49,361 Davlrt Gale suggeslert tbat we have an exblblllon lDgelber. 212 00:13:50,195 --> 00:13:52,464 It is our first venture into commercial art. 213 00:13:53,532 --> 00:13:54,533 A lolal llure. 214 00:13:54,599 --> 00:13:56,968 - Did you sell anything? - No, we sold nothing. 215 00:13:57,235 --> 00:13:59,404 We used to have jam sessions with the guitar 216 00:13:59,471 --> 00:14:03,208 In lbe art school, and laler, jolnert by Dave, 217 00:14:03,275 --> 00:14:05,811 In lhe common room lo lhe whole lecbnlcal college. 218 00:14:05,877 --> 00:14:09,881 We lovert Bealles anrt Slones and b!ues sluff 219 00:14:09,948 --> 00:14:10,949 Chuck anrt BD. 220 00:14:11,249 --> 00:14:13,085 I can remember learning "Come On". 221 00:14:13,618 --> 00:14:15,253 - The Stones. - By the Stones. 222 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:16,621 And "Off the Hook". 223 00:14:17,522 --> 00:14:19,791 I can see In my mlnrt lhe back bench 224 00:14:19,858 --> 00:14:22,294 agalnsl one of lhe walis anrt people sllllng lhere 225 00:14:22,361 --> 00:14:25,163 at prDbably I 0..00 o 'clock In lbe mornlng just slrumming away. 226 00:14:27,666 --> 00:14:30,469 Do you remember wbelber you were lmpressert by bis palnllngs 227 00:14:30,535 --> 00:14:31,636 or by his personalily? 228 00:14:31,703 --> 00:14:33,872 I was more impressed by his personality. 229 00:14:33,939 --> 00:14:36,708 He just looked like someborty who was going places. 230 00:14:36,775 --> 00:14:40,912 He was qulle a slar in our small firmamenl as ll was al lhe llme. 231 00:14:48,286 --> 00:14:51,056 He was very unusual , very interesting. 232 00:14:51,123 --> 00:14:53,258 The complete package I believe you'd say. 233 00:14:53,325 --> 00:14:54,593 The complete package. 234 00:14:56,928 --> 00:14:59,398 Jenny rtenr, when rtlrt you flrsl meel Syrt? 235 00:14:59,464 --> 00:15:00,699 And how was he ? 236 00:15:00,766 --> 00:15:04,469 I mel hlm In lhe Cambridge Sludenl Unlon Cellars. 237 00:15:05,003 --> 00:15:07,773 He was playing with a band called Those Without. 238 00:15:07,839 --> 00:15:10,542 He came up anrt sald bello and lntrortucert blmself 239 00:15:10,609 --> 00:15:12,577 When rtid you slart going slearty? 240 00:15:12,677 --> 00:15:13,879 Well , a week Iater, 241 00:15:13,945 --> 00:15:16,415 a week after that, he phoned me and said 242 00:15:16,481 --> 00:15:18,784 he would like to meet up and have coffee. 243 00:15:18,850 --> 00:15:20,619 So I met him in the Guild. 244 00:15:21,019 --> 00:15:23,021 He wrole lo me anrt sairt 245 00:15:23,088 --> 00:15:25,757 lhal he'd rtrawn a plclure of me leanlng agalnsl tbe bar. 246 00:15:25,824 --> 00:15:27,526 He sent this picture 247 00:15:27,592 --> 00:15:30,429 with a beautiful piece of pink tissue paper written on it, 248 00:15:30,495 --> 00:15:33,498 "I love you , I love you . I can't stop thinking about you ." 249 00:15:43,608 --> 00:15:45,343 How long did you go oul wilb hlm ? 250 00:15:45,410 --> 00:15:49,114 I probably saw him nearly every day from '5 I lo '63. 251 00:15:49,181 --> 00:15:52,250 I think he went to art school in London in '64, 252 00:15:52,317 --> 00:15:53,952 so that was a bit of a messy year. 253 00:16:00,192 --> 00:16:03,395 In Seplember I 964, Syrt moves lo Lonrton. 254 00:16:09,835 --> 00:16:12,671 I n 1960, whatever it was, 255 00:16:12,737 --> 00:16:15,340 he duly arrived and he moved into the apartment 256 00:16:15,407 --> 00:16:18,944 that I was already sharing with N ick Mason and Rick Wright. 257 00:16:19,010 --> 00:16:21,413 - Mike Leonard's place? - M ike Leonard's place. 258 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:22,948 We were Leonard's Lodgers. 259 00:16:27,686 --> 00:16:29,621 Bob Klose was In tbe banrt. 260 00:16:29,688 --> 00:16:35,293 As soon as Syrt arrivert lblngs changed because Syrt had olher asplrallons. 261 00:16:36,461 --> 00:16:39,764 Syrt lunert lnlD lhal wbole wesl coasl lblng. 262 00:16:40,632 --> 00:16:44,302 If you asked me, "What did Love do?" I'd go, "I have no fuckin' idea." 263 00:16:44,369 --> 00:16:45,604 But I know Syd did. 264 00:16:46,771 --> 00:16:48,673 He was one of lhe mosl 265 00:16:48,740 --> 00:16:52,711 emollonally anrt lnlelleclually curious people 266 00:16:52,777 --> 00:16:53,912 lhal I've ever mel. 267 00:16:55,547 --> 00:16:57,415 Glgging unrter varlous names, 268 00:16:57,482 --> 00:17:00,519 lhe ArcbllecluralAbdabs anrt Tbe Tea Sel, 269 00:17:00,585 --> 00:17:03,955 Syrt renames lhelr banrt lhe Plnk Floyrt Sound 270 00:17:04,055 --> 00:17:06,758 by comblnlng lhe names of lwo obscure blues men, 271 00:17:06,825 --> 00:17:08,927 Plnk AndersDn anrt Floyd Councll. 272 00:17:09,628 --> 00:17:11,229 Bob Klose leaves lbe banrt 273 00:17:11,329 --> 00:17:13,899 as tbey slart movlng lowards more lmprovlsed muslc 274 00:17:13,999 --> 00:17:17,903 largely as backlng lracks lo tbelr lncreasingly elaborale llgbl shows. 275 00:17:17,969 --> 00:17:21,973 Syrt slarts lo wrlle songs lncludlng "Lel's Roll Anolber One ' 276 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,676 wblch laler becomes "Canrty anrt a Curranl Bun " 277 00:17:24,743 --> 00:17:26,111 anrt "Bob Dylan Blues ". 278 00:17:27,078 --> 00:17:29,881 The banrt becomes solirtified wllb Syrt on gultar, 279 00:17:29,948 --> 00:17:32,717 RDger Walers on bass, Rlck Wrlghl on keyboards 280 00:17:32,817 --> 00:17:34,252 anrt Nlck MasDn Dn drums. 281 00:17:39,824 --> 00:17:43,862 When you were al Camberwell wilb Syrt, whal klnd of guy was he ? 282 00:17:43,929 --> 00:17:47,899 The lhlng lhal I really remember is bls lnnocence. 283 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,871 All this very glamorous dark curly hair, very alive eyes 284 00:17:52,938 --> 00:17:56,942 and a general air of glamour about him. 285 00:17:57,008 --> 00:17:59,978 But he had this innocence almost like a child. 286 00:18:00,545 --> 00:18:05,850 He palnlert wllb greal energy, lerrific sense of colour. 287 00:18:05,917 --> 00:18:09,754 And whal I remember is blg, verypainlerly abstraclpalnllngs. 288 00:18:10,589 --> 00:18:13,525 Towards lhe enrt of lhal flrsl year, 289 00:18:14,059 --> 00:18:17,062 he wenl ID Robert Mertley, wbo was heart of palnllng. 290 00:18:17,162 --> 00:18:19,064 He sald lo Robert, 291 00:18:19,130 --> 00:18:23,335 'Al lhe momenl wllh my group I'm gelllng 200 pounds a week." 292 00:18:23,401 --> 00:18:25,337 - A lol of money. - A fortune really. 293 00:18:25,403 --> 00:18:29,074 He sairt, "Coulrt I posslbly have lbe year o have a sabballcal?" 294 00:18:32,611 --> 00:18:35,714 His college wDrk was lmportanl and he'd wrlte lo me and say, 295 00:18:35,780 --> 00:18:38,783 "I've gol lo do a palnllng lhis slze so I can slay on nexl year, 296 00:18:38,850 --> 00:18:41,119 bul I wrole lhls really nlce song." 297 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,622 So did Syd then leave for a year? 298 00:18:44,456 --> 00:18:46,157 He left and he didn't come back. 299 00:19:03,942 --> 00:19:07,979 Havlng lefl art school lhere are a lol of lhlngs lhal I could rto, 300 00:19:08,046 --> 00:19:10,982 a Iol of lhlngs I see now, a lol of lhlngs lhal went lnlo me, 301 00:19:12,951 --> 00:19:18,223 tblnklng lhal lbese were perhaps changlng and alterlng lhlngs. 302 00:19:56,928 --> 00:19:59,464 Roger Kellh Barrell, asplrlng palnler, 303 00:19:59,531 --> 00:20:03,535 rtrops oul of art school sD lhal Syrt Barrell, pop slar, may be born. 304 00:20:04,402 --> 00:20:07,238 Before long, Barrell would flnrt hlmselfal lbe eplcenlre 305 00:20:07,305 --> 00:20:09,941 of lbe biggesl unrterground movemenl ever lo hll Brllaln. 306 00:20:20,518 --> 00:20:22,053 You've got a bright future. 307 00:20:26,424 --> 00:20:28,326 There's a general sea change that goes on 308 00:20:28,393 --> 00:20:31,296 in English music anyway during 1965, '66. 309 00:20:31,362 --> 00:20:33,965 You get a band like The Paramounts turning to Procol Harum 310 00:20:34,032 --> 00:20:36,134 and stop doing cover versions of Poison Ivy. 311 00:20:36,201 --> 00:20:38,937 And within two years they're doing "A Whiter Shade of Pale... 312 00:20:39,003 --> 00:20:43,441 I lhlnk Syrt is al lbe very culllng ertge of lhal movement. 313 00:20:43,508 --> 00:20:45,877 I lhlnk Syrt's one of lhe firsl ones who lransrms 314 00:20:45,944 --> 00:20:50,849 from just copylng R&B to aclually doing somelhlng ullerly new. 315 00:20:53,118 --> 00:20:56,855 We were readlng Alan Wnlls, Marvel comics, 316 00:20:56,921 --> 00:21:01,259 Kerouac and Cybernellcs, all al lbe same lime. 317 00:21:01,593 --> 00:21:04,929 Syrt was an exlraorrtlnarlly quick absorber. 318 00:21:04,996 --> 00:21:06,831 It was just a series of, "Look at this. 319 00:21:06,898 --> 00:21:09,033 Listen to this. What about this?" 320 00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:11,870 And it was just going on and on and on and on. 321 00:21:11,936 --> 00:21:15,140 All of the arts, all simultaneously 322 00:21:15,206 --> 00:21:18,443 and then we can just throw LSD into the mix if you feel like it. 323 00:21:55,213 --> 00:21:57,515 There was a lot of rumours going around 324 00:21:57,582 --> 00:21:59,017 that acid can damage your brain. 325 00:21:59,083 --> 00:22:00,985 And hippies would say, "It's just the CIA, man. 326 00:22:01,052 --> 00:22:03,221 They're just saying that to stop you taking acid , 327 00:22:03,288 --> 00:22:04,789 to stop you eating Iive kittens." 328 00:22:05,723 --> 00:22:07,892 Accorrting lo all lhe accounls lhal I've reart, 329 00:22:07,959 --> 00:22:10,361 everybody was on aclrt in my parenls back garrten. 330 00:22:11,262 --> 00:22:12,463 Tbls is nol lrue. 331 00:22:12,530 --> 00:22:14,632 I lhink lhe only person lbere who was on aclrt... 332 00:22:14,699 --> 00:22:18,203 Maybe lwo people were, Paul Charrler nnd Sunny Syrt. 333 00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:20,839 I believe there was a water fight. 334 00:22:20,939 --> 00:22:24,509 The bathroom window on the top floor banged open. 335 00:22:24,576 --> 00:22:26,778 There were shouts of joy 336 00:22:26,845 --> 00:22:29,214 and we saw water coming out of the window. 337 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,585 Paul Charrier wielding the rose of the shower spraying Syd. 338 00:22:33,985 --> 00:22:36,421 They were just mucklng aboul llke slx-year-olrts. 339 00:22:37,589 --> 00:22:39,724 People were hanglng arounrt In lhe garrten. 340 00:22:39,791 --> 00:22:43,661 Syd wenl lnlo lhe kllchen of lhe house, found a box of malches, 341 00:22:43,728 --> 00:22:47,832 an orange anrt a plum, sal rtown and lookert al lhem. 342 00:22:48,233 --> 00:22:51,703 Most of the time, what I remember is Syd sitting quietly 343 00:22:51,769 --> 00:22:54,172 in the back garden of Dave Gale's house 344 00:22:54,239 --> 00:22:55,940 holding and examining these objects. 345 00:22:56,007 --> 00:22:58,610 Al lhal lime, everybody was rtropping acld In fondon. 346 00:22:58,676 --> 00:23:00,745 Bul nDl everyborty's rtropplng acld like he was. 347 00:23:00,812 --> 00:23:02,380 Bul he wasn 'I lhe only one. 348 00:23:02,547 --> 00:23:06,050 And there was a lot of discussion about how to take it. 349 00:23:06,117 --> 00:23:11,389 Is there a big difference between 50 milligrams a day or 100 or 250? 350 00:23:11,456 --> 00:23:14,792 How many times a day? Once, twice or three times? 351 00:23:14,859 --> 00:23:19,464 Is there a real difference between 250 milligrams and 500 milligrams? 352 00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:21,399 Aclrt was lbe rtrug of lbe tlme. 353 00:23:21,466 --> 00:23:24,269 Self-realisation , speaking to God through acid , 354 00:23:24,369 --> 00:23:28,239 is the danger of opening doors 355 00:23:28,306 --> 00:23:30,675 before you've spent 30 years in solitude 356 00:23:30,742 --> 00:23:33,077 and preparing your soul and your spirit ready 357 00:23:33,144 --> 00:23:35,079 for the big meeting with Big G. 358 00:23:35,146 --> 00:23:37,048 That was one of the problems with acid. 359 00:23:37,115 --> 00:23:40,285 It whooshed you right through that 30 years of preparation , 360 00:23:40,351 --> 00:23:41,452 opened the door and bang! 361 00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:44,022 There you are at the centre of the celestial universe. 362 00:23:44,088 --> 00:23:45,223 Deal with it my son. 363 00:23:45,323 --> 00:23:49,027 Anrt lwo bours before you were eallng fish anrt chlps rtown lbe corner. 364 00:23:57,035 --> 00:24:00,905 He really rtlrt feel lbal lbe psycbertellc revolutlon 365 00:24:00,972 --> 00:24:03,708 was flowlng rlghl lhrough his borty. 366 00:24:03,775 --> 00:24:07,045 He rtid feel he was almost possessert agalnsl bls wlll. 367 00:24:07,111 --> 00:24:10,648 You know lhal slory, "If you can remember lhe '60s you weren 'I lbere." 368 00:24:10,715 --> 00:24:14,819 It was the destruction of the rational , predictable, material world. 369 00:24:16,487 --> 00:24:19,424 So called reallly was Dnly one of many. 370 00:24:32,403 --> 00:24:36,140 I 966 is lhe year lhe doors come Dff lhe hlnges. 371 00:24:36,574 --> 00:24:39,944 Fuellert by experlmenlallon wilh mind-expanrting rtrugs 372 00:24:40,011 --> 00:24:42,113 flowlng lhrougb lhe counler culture, 373 00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:44,916 lhe seismic upbeaval of post-war Brllish soclely 374 00:24:44,983 --> 00:24:49,754 sprearts frDm pollllcs anrt art, lo shlon and muslc. 375 00:24:50,421 --> 00:24:52,323 Everyborty was laklng lDts of drugs. 376 00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:56,060 People Iiked these long things that you could really get into, 377 00:24:56,127 --> 00:24:57,695 which strung you out 378 00:24:57,762 --> 00:25:01,466 and took you very slowly through various climactic trajectories. 379 00:25:05,970 --> 00:25:08,506 We all llked Love's album whlch was really good. 380 00:25:08,573 --> 00:25:11,509 I was just saylng lo hlm, "I really !ove lbal song wblch goes.. ." 381 00:25:11,576 --> 00:25:13,511 Da-da-da-da-da da-da-da. 382 00:25:13,644 --> 00:25:16,147 Done In lbe "flllle Red Book' or somelblng Ilke lhal. 383 00:25:16,214 --> 00:25:18,349 I can 'I slng In tune lo save my llfe. 384 00:25:18,416 --> 00:25:21,185 Syd salrt, "You mean like lhis ?" And be played ll. 385 00:25:21,819 --> 00:25:24,789 That's whal became "lnlerstellar Overrtrlve ' 386 00:25:24,889 --> 00:25:31,429 It was that riff mangled by me and then reinterpreted by Syd. 387 00:25:44,842 --> 00:25:48,880 The blg lbing In lhose days was Prlrtay nlgbl al lhe UFO club. 388 00:25:48,946 --> 00:25:52,683 Nol only dlrt you have Plnk Ployrt, yDu hart Tbe Sofl Machlne 389 00:25:52,750 --> 00:25:54,852 anrt lhe Crazy Worlrt of Artbur BrDwn. 390 00:25:54,919 --> 00:25:56,854 "Fire." Da-da-da, da-da. 391 00:25:57,555 --> 00:26:02,593 Pele wDuld have been supplylng a psychedellc projecllon apparalus 392 00:26:02,660 --> 00:26:05,296 lo lhe increaslngly glgglng Plnk Ployrt. 393 00:26:05,363 --> 00:26:08,166 Were you as exclled by lbls as were lhe audlence ? 394 00:26:09,167 --> 00:26:11,602 I don't know about the audience, I never gave them a thought. 395 00:26:11,936 --> 00:26:13,771 I remember being in the aud ience 396 00:26:13,838 --> 00:26:16,541 thinking this was probably the centre of the universe. 397 00:26:16,607 --> 00:26:17,842 Yes it was, indeed. 398 00:26:21,646 --> 00:26:25,516 The Dnly llme I've ever rtellberalely missed a glg wilb Tbe WbD, 399 00:26:25,583 --> 00:26:28,119 was I hearrt lhal Plnk Ployrt were rtolng a concert 400 00:26:28,186 --> 00:26:29,654 and rtlrtn 'I lell lhe band. 401 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,890 So the band went and I went to the U FO club with Eric 402 00:26:32,957 --> 00:26:35,226 and took some acid and danced like a hippie. 403 00:26:40,364 --> 00:26:43,434 The band bart come oul wllh lhis lnlerestlng rlg, 404 00:26:43,501 --> 00:26:47,438 wblch was lwo Blnson Echorec unlls. 405 00:26:48,172 --> 00:26:51,209 Tbey were considerert lo be an echo box from lhe era of.. 406 00:26:51,375 --> 00:26:53,778 Dow-dow, dow-dow-dow. 407 00:26:54,178 --> 00:26:56,280 Nobody used them. 408 00:26:56,347 --> 00:26:59,617 Certainly J imi Hendrix d id not use an echo box 409 00:26:59,684 --> 00:27:04,455 and neither did I , and neither did Eric Clapton or J immy Page. 410 00:27:04,522 --> 00:27:05,590 Nobody used them. 411 00:27:06,057 --> 00:27:08,259 But Syd had not just one but two. 412 00:27:08,326 --> 00:27:12,330 He came oul, he had a shock of blnck balr, black makeup on bls eyes 413 00:27:12,396 --> 00:27:15,500 anrt lbe clolhes he was wearlng were proper psychedellc oulflts. 414 00:27:15,566 --> 00:27:17,502 Anrt he was beaullful. 415 00:27:17,835 --> 00:27:20,805 He plays a chord and it just goes, jang! 416 00:27:20,872 --> 00:27:22,306 And then nothing happens. 417 00:27:22,373 --> 00:27:24,542 So he pushes some buttons on this machine, 418 00:27:24,609 --> 00:27:25,910 plays another chord , jang! 419 00:27:25,977 --> 00:27:28,980 Nothing happens, he pushes another couple of buttons on the machine 420 00:27:29,046 --> 00:27:30,114 and suddenly it goes... 421 00:27:30,181 --> 00:27:37,622 Da-na-na, da-da-da wo-wo-wo-wo... 422 00:27:37,989 --> 00:27:40,525 His analogue echo degrartes. 423 00:27:40,591 --> 00:27:42,693 He pushes another button on the other machine, 424 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,230 and it goes into, what we call in the music business, syncopated echo. 425 00:27:46,297 --> 00:27:47,265 It goes... 426 00:27:47,331 --> 00:27:50,101 Pow-pow-pow-pow, pa-pa-pa-pa, pow, pa-pa-pa-pa, pow. 427 00:27:50,168 --> 00:27:52,036 Pa-pa-pa-pa, pow, pa-pa-pa-pa, pow. 428 00:27:52,136 --> 00:27:56,274 Nlck Mason slarts lo play anrt lhen Roger Walers slarts lo play 429 00:27:56,340 --> 00:27:58,776 anrt ll just lurns lnlo whal can only be rtescrlbed 430 00:27:58,843 --> 00:28:01,045 as speclacular psychertelic beavy melal. 431 00:28:36,147 --> 00:28:39,383 Somelhlng sudrtenly klcks In. I rton 'I lhink ll's even grartual. 432 00:28:41,118 --> 00:28:42,753 Yes, you can say ll's LSD. 433 00:28:42,820 --> 00:28:45,856 Yes, you can say it's the echoplex, it's the Iight shows. 434 00:28:45,923 --> 00:28:48,826 There's all these interesting environmental things going on 435 00:28:48,893 --> 00:28:51,262 in and around the music, but really it's Syd. 436 00:28:51,862 --> 00:28:54,298 The way lhe acl's developed In lhe lasl slx monlhs 437 00:28:54,365 --> 00:28:57,335 has been lnfluencert by lhe facl lhal we've playert In ballrooms. 438 00:28:58,169 --> 00:29:00,471 I lhlnk concerts have glven us a cbance lo realise 439 00:29:00,538 --> 00:29:05,910 lhal lhe muslc we play isn 'I rtlrecled al rtanclng necessarlly 440 00:29:05,977 --> 00:29:07,178 like normal pDp groups. 441 00:29:27,465 --> 00:29:32,903 Syrt deflnert lhe wbDle of lhal momenl In lhe '60s. 442 00:29:33,504 --> 00:29:37,975 The colour, the vivacity of it, the psychedelic freedom. 443 00:29:39,210 --> 00:29:42,613 Wllboul Syrt, sDmelhlng mlghl bave bappenert evenlually. 444 00:29:42,713 --> 00:29:45,316 You could n't over emphasize his importance 445 00:29:45,383 --> 00:29:48,919 because he was the creative genius. 446 00:30:08,172 --> 00:30:10,007 I remember sltllng wllh him 447 00:30:10,074 --> 00:30:11,876 whlle he was looking lnlo lhe slars book 448 00:30:11,942 --> 00:30:15,846 and gelllng 'Aslronomy Domlne " lhlng, wblch I hnrt lo reart In lbe slurtio, 449 00:30:15,913 --> 00:30:18,382 whicb he just look oul of a book, anrt I lDve lhal. 450 00:30:19,016 --> 00:30:22,420 Tbey were so lolally anrt unbellevably orlglnal. 451 00:30:22,486 --> 00:30:25,489 You coulrt say lhal lbe varlous lecbnologles were available, 452 00:30:25,556 --> 00:30:27,858 !lke Hammond organs and lbis anrt lhal and lhe olher, 453 00:30:27,925 --> 00:30:31,996 whlch gave lhem lbe opportunily of mlxlng popular muslc 454 00:30:32,063 --> 00:30:36,267 wilh melapbyslcal lrteas and sclence ficllon ideas. 455 00:30:37,001 --> 00:30:40,905 The FIoyd were never doing " 19th Nervous Breakdown" 456 00:30:40,971 --> 00:30:43,441 or "I Can't Get No Satisfaction". 457 00:30:52,049 --> 00:30:54,752 Why has it all got to be so terribly Ioud? 458 00:30:54,819 --> 00:30:57,555 For me, frankly it's too Ioud . I just can't bear it. 459 00:30:57,621 --> 00:31:01,058 I happen to have grown up in the string quartet which is a bit softer. 460 00:31:01,125 --> 00:31:04,628 If one gets immune to this kind of sound , 461 00:31:04,695 --> 00:31:08,432 one may find it difficult to appreciate softer types of sound. 462 00:31:08,499 --> 00:31:09,600 Syd , yes, no? 463 00:31:10,167 --> 00:31:12,403 - I don't think that's so. - No? 464 00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:15,840 Everybody Iistens, we don't need it very Ioud to be able to hear it. 465 00:31:15,906 --> 00:31:17,641 And with some of it is very quiet in fact. 466 00:31:17,708 --> 00:31:21,078 Do you in your turn feel aggressive towards your audiences? 467 00:31:21,145 --> 00:31:22,246 No, not at all. 468 00:31:22,313 --> 00:31:24,548 I n spite of all the Ioudness? 469 00:31:24,615 --> 00:31:27,318 - No, not at all . - Sorry? 470 00:31:27,385 --> 00:31:31,922 There's not many young people who dislike it. 471 00:31:31,989 --> 00:31:35,493 - There's no shock treatment intended . - No, certainly not. 472 00:31:53,878 --> 00:31:56,046 When Syd Barrett started writing for Pink FIoyd , 473 00:31:56,113 --> 00:31:58,082 he seemed to give it this very English voice, 474 00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:59,650 which was quite unusual at the time. 475 00:31:59,717 --> 00:32:01,452 The Kinks were doing that, I guess, as well. 476 00:32:07,558 --> 00:32:11,495 He had a big attachment to more intellectual realms, 477 00:32:11,562 --> 00:32:14,732 to lhe whole Hilalre Belloc lhlng and lo fewls Carroll. 478 00:32:15,499 --> 00:32:17,935 He has a strange bridge 479 00:32:18,002 --> 00:32:23,307 between Edwardian musical , Vaudeville, 480 00:32:23,374 --> 00:32:26,877 and his own particular brand of English psychedelia. 481 00:32:27,178 --> 00:32:29,280 When you heard that music, it was in colour. 482 00:32:29,346 --> 00:32:31,315 Everything else was in black and white. 483 00:32:33,417 --> 00:32:34,885 He's lhe fake Poels. 484 00:32:34,952 --> 00:32:38,122 He's an English romantic of the 19th century. 485 00:32:38,189 --> 00:32:40,224 He was not London 1966. 486 00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:41,826 Bul be was Lonrton /956. 487 00:32:41,892 --> 00:32:44,595 He happened lo be, bul lhal was a cloak he wore. 488 00:32:51,135 --> 00:32:53,504 In hls lyrics, lbere's a lol of anlmal references. 489 00:32:53,571 --> 00:32:55,940 Tbere's a mouse called Oerald, lhere's lhe elephanl, 490 00:32:56,006 --> 00:32:58,809 there's fairies, there's scarecrows, there's cats. 491 00:32:58,876 --> 00:33:01,412 Il's a worlrt lhal I was always fasclnaled wllh. 492 00:33:03,047 --> 00:33:05,649 In bls songs we have a palnlerly vlslon. 493 00:33:05,716 --> 00:33:08,385 He evokes very slrongly references lo sun, 494 00:33:08,452 --> 00:33:12,756 lo shlnlng, lo sea, lo sparkles, lo waler. 495 00:33:12,823 --> 00:33:14,658 All lbese lhlngs run lhrough hls songs 496 00:33:14,725 --> 00:33:16,594 like a perpelual contlnuous lhreart. 497 00:33:16,660 --> 00:33:18,128 Syrt ls a nalure poel. 498 00:33:19,697 --> 00:33:21,665 I bearrt al one polnl lhal hls whole dlet 499 00:33:21,732 --> 00:33:23,801 conslslert of hasb and poelry. 500 00:33:23,868 --> 00:33:28,205 I think I tried to do that at some point in my 20s. 501 00:33:30,975 --> 00:33:34,778 He's the original pu nk rock icon in what pu nk rock meant to me, 502 00:33:34,845 --> 00:33:39,149 which was sort of breaking all the rules and having fun with it 503 00:33:39,216 --> 00:33:41,118 and the spirit of play. 504 00:33:47,291 --> 00:33:51,262 To look good, ID be able lo play gullar, lo lnvent good melorties, 505 00:33:51,328 --> 00:33:56,901 and also to produce lyrics that made you think. 506 00:33:56,967 --> 00:34:00,771 Il's a very pDwerful sel of lools lo have al your rtlsposal. 507 00:34:01,639 --> 00:34:04,975 Syd hart all lhls churning around In his mlnrt, 508 00:34:05,042 --> 00:34:07,077 llke lhe resl of us did, 509 00:34:07,144 --> 00:34:12,016 bul be mnkes connecllons lhal are so unexpeclert and strnnge 510 00:34:12,082 --> 00:34:16,854 lhal no Dne else In lhe world could bave made lhose connecllons. 511 00:34:17,655 --> 00:34:19,623 Even early songs like "Bike" for instance. 512 00:34:19,823 --> 00:34:21,125 He'd written about a bike, 513 00:34:21,191 --> 00:34:24,261 which of course is not a subject that most lyricists write about. 514 00:34:24,328 --> 00:34:28,399 They write about love or death or illness or loss. 515 00:34:29,867 --> 00:34:31,902 "I've got a bike, you can ride it if you like." 516 00:34:31,969 --> 00:34:34,572 "It's got a basket, a bell , a ring and things that make it look good ." 517 00:34:34,638 --> 00:34:36,774 "I'd give it to you if I could , but I borrowed it." 518 00:34:37,608 --> 00:34:39,043 Where does this come from? 519 00:34:39,143 --> 00:34:40,611 Every verse is like that I think. 520 00:34:55,426 --> 00:34:57,061 I suppose lblngs llke "Blke " 521 00:34:57,127 --> 00:34:59,163 was more of a slruclurert lhlng happenlng, 522 00:34:59,229 --> 00:35:01,131 bul sonlcally lowards lhe enrt, 523 00:35:01,198 --> 00:35:03,834 I've never really bearrt anylhing like lhal. 524 00:35:05,269 --> 00:35:08,405 A sort of oversaturation of sounds, clocks, 525 00:35:08,472 --> 00:35:13,277 and then this kind of repetitive sound 526 00:35:13,344 --> 00:35:16,413 that sou nded like a goose attacking you. 527 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,816 - Like a what? - Like a goose attacking. 528 00:35:18,882 --> 00:35:20,217 Going into attack mode. 529 00:35:20,951 --> 00:35:21,986 Quite d isturbing. 530 00:35:26,490 --> 00:35:28,492 The way LSD works, we now know, 531 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,561 is it stimulates receptors in the brain 532 00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:33,097 called serotonin receptors. 533 00:35:33,163 --> 00:35:35,566 But a particular subtype of serotonin receptor 534 00:35:35,633 --> 00:35:39,036 called the 5-HT or serotonin 2A receptor. 535 00:35:41,472 --> 00:35:44,541 Psychertelic rtrugs llke fSD all work Dn lhose receplors 536 00:35:44,608 --> 00:35:48,112 anrt whal lhey do ls lo lnlerrupl lbe lrartillonal way 537 00:35:48,178 --> 00:35:49,713 In whlch tbe braln ls organlsed. 538 00:35:50,881 --> 00:35:54,618 Everylhing we rto ls orcheslralert In a very reflexlve habllual way. 539 00:35:54,685 --> 00:35:57,554 FSD, by lurnlng on tbose receplors disrupts lbal. 540 00:35:59,156 --> 00:36:01,825 Whal lhen bappens ls tbat your braln ralber lban dolng 541 00:36:01,892 --> 00:36:05,295 wbat ll's been tolrt lo rto by habll, slarts lo do ils own lhlng. 542 00:36:08,499 --> 00:36:12,202 If you have regular conversations with God , or the angels 543 00:36:12,269 --> 00:36:14,171 and they're saying pleasant things to you , 544 00:36:14,238 --> 00:36:17,041 telling you how great you are, you don't want to lose that. 545 00:36:17,908 --> 00:36:20,244 On the other hand , if you're tormented by devils 546 00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:22,513 or other persecutors, 547 00:36:22,579 --> 00:36:26,350 you may nevertheless feel that you're important enough 548 00:36:26,417 --> 00:36:28,552 for the devil to take an interest in you. 549 00:36:28,619 --> 00:36:31,188 And that might give you enough kudos 550 00:36:31,255 --> 00:36:35,826 to carry on with this situation without telling other people. 551 00:36:38,429 --> 00:36:42,599 Tbere's a lol of lnleresl in balance belween right braln and lefl brnln. 552 00:36:42,666 --> 00:36:44,034 I n very simplistic terms, 553 00:36:44,101 --> 00:36:47,938 the right brain is the more creative, whole picture side. 554 00:36:48,005 --> 00:36:51,175 The left brain is the more focused , analytical side. 555 00:36:51,241 --> 00:36:54,678 There's a little saying that the problems in psychology are 556 00:36:54,745 --> 00:36:58,482 when the right brain's got nothing left and the left brain's got nothing right. 557 00:36:58,549 --> 00:37:02,419 Anrt lbere ls a lol of lnleresllng discusslon 558 00:37:02,486 --> 00:37:05,222 aboul lhe llnk belween creallvlly and menlal lllness. 559 00:37:05,756 --> 00:37:07,658 Carl Jung , the psychologist, 560 00:37:07,725 --> 00:37:09,893 had this great insight where he talked about, 561 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,363 from his studies, of breakdown , mental illness, 562 00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:15,766 he called it a "failed initiation". 563 00:37:15,833 --> 00:37:17,000 What he meant by that, 564 00:37:17,067 --> 00:37:19,336 which I think was a really interesting thing to say, 565 00:37:19,403 --> 00:37:23,040 was that often a breakdown is an attempt at a breakthrough. 566 00:37:23,107 --> 00:37:25,709 It's an attempt to come into a new form of consciousness. 567 00:37:25,776 --> 00:37:29,146 And it's either premature or in some way it falters. 568 00:37:34,585 --> 00:37:38,288 I remember one partlcular inlerlurte where we went lo see lhe Masler, 569 00:37:38,355 --> 00:37:40,691 lhnl's Cbaran Singb Jl. 570 00:37:40,758 --> 00:37:43,660 Which was a guru that we were all thinking of following 571 00:37:43,727 --> 00:37:46,697 in the heady days of psychedelia. 572 00:37:46,797 --> 00:37:51,201 A few people there and then said they wanted to become 'initiated'. 573 00:37:51,268 --> 00:37:52,736 I don't like the word but anyway. 574 00:37:52,836 --> 00:37:54,571 Syd had asked for initiation 575 00:37:54,638 --> 00:37:57,274 and the Master had said it's too early. 576 00:37:58,375 --> 00:38:00,177 Dlrt you know wby he said lhal? 577 00:38:00,244 --> 00:38:03,647 Well, lhere's qulle of a lol of commllmenl In Sanl Mal, 578 00:38:03,714 --> 00:38:06,016 wblch ls vegelarlanlsm, 579 00:38:06,083 --> 00:38:08,685 and abslalnlng from mlnd allerlng subslances. 580 00:38:09,286 --> 00:38:12,322 Is ilposslble tbat lhe rejecllon affeclert Syd? 581 00:38:12,389 --> 00:38:14,491 Rejecllon affects us all. 582 00:38:15,425 --> 00:38:17,361 I lhlnk Charan Slngb... 583 00:38:17,427 --> 00:38:19,329 I dDn 'I know how deep bls lnslghls were, 584 00:38:19,396 --> 00:38:20,397 I tblnk he hart a lol, 585 00:38:20,464 --> 00:38:22,966 bul maybe be coulrt see wbat was gDlng ID bappen lo Syrt. 586 00:38:25,035 --> 00:38:27,437 When you broke up, did you rto ll or dlrt he do lt? 587 00:38:27,504 --> 00:38:28,672 Il was me, I'm afrald. 588 00:38:28,739 --> 00:38:31,742 He was a great lover, a good boyfriend and you got rid of him? 589 00:38:31,809 --> 00:38:32,609 Yeah. 590 00:38:32,676 --> 00:38:34,444 Explain this to me, Jennifer Spires. 591 00:38:34,511 --> 00:38:37,447 In lbe early days, he was lovely 'cause be was very calm, 592 00:38:37,514 --> 00:38:38,515 he was an artlsl. 593 00:38:38,582 --> 00:38:40,684 I got on the train at Cambridge at one end 594 00:38:40,751 --> 00:38:42,986 and Syd got on the train at the other end. 595 00:38:44,655 --> 00:38:47,324 That's bow we slartert llvlng al number 2 Earlbam slreel. 596 00:38:48,292 --> 00:38:53,030 The wbole clan wenl from lbere lo I 0 / Cromwell Roart. 597 00:38:53,764 --> 00:38:55,966 101 Cromwell Road! 598 00:38:56,033 --> 00:38:58,068 A den of iniquity if ever there was. 599 00:38:58,135 --> 00:38:59,336 Extraordinary place. 600 00:38:59,403 --> 00:39:02,239 They'rt just puff away al lbese enormous jolnts 601 00:39:02,306 --> 00:39:04,007 and gel complelely oul of lbelr heads. 602 00:39:04,074 --> 00:39:06,410 I feel woozy even lhlnking about ll. 603 00:39:07,077 --> 00:39:10,180 You see Syd, anrt lhe Pink Ployrt were really beglnnlng lben 604 00:39:10,247 --> 00:39:12,082 anrt lhlngs were laklng off 605 00:39:12,149 --> 00:39:14,885 I lhlnk lben, he was just loslng lhe plol sllgblly. 606 00:39:15,385 --> 00:39:19,089 I remember we had a cat called Rover. Well , that was Syd , wasn't it? 607 00:39:28,232 --> 00:39:30,567 The Plnk Floyrt sound was a perfecl malch 608 00:39:30,634 --> 00:39:34,204 for lhe sponlaneous undergrounrt anrt lls mulllmedla evenls. 609 00:39:35,038 --> 00:39:37,541 Wllh Barrell's song wrlling oulput flourlshlng, 610 00:39:37,608 --> 00:39:39,543 lhe Plnk Floyrt were on lheir way. 611 00:40:00,364 --> 00:40:03,066 Glgging a punishing four or flve nlghls a week, 612 00:40:03,133 --> 00:40:05,836 lbe group ls approacbed by Peler Jenner and Andrew Klng, 613 00:40:05,903 --> 00:40:08,405 wbD promislng lo buy lhe banrt some new equlpmenl, 614 00:40:08,472 --> 00:40:09,573 becDme lhelr managers. 615 00:40:10,507 --> 00:40:13,377 Klng anrt Jenner scbeme lo gel tbe banrt a recDrd conlracl 616 00:40:13,443 --> 00:40:17,014 by recordlng a few rtemo lracks wilh American producer JDe Boyd, 617 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,018 who also runs lhe legendary UFO club wltb John 'Hoppy' Hopklns. 618 00:40:22,152 --> 00:40:27,457 The plan works and Plnk Floyd slgn lo EMl Records In Pebruary I 967. 619 00:40:28,792 --> 00:40:31,929 The very next rtay tbey begln recordlng fDr tbelr rtebul album, 620 00:40:31,995 --> 00:40:35,699 "The Plper at lhe Oates of Dawn " wllb Norman Smilh al Abbey Road. 621 00:40:36,466 --> 00:40:37,734 In lhe slurtlo nexl rtoor, 622 00:40:37,801 --> 00:40:41,038 The Beatles are making lheir lanrtmark LP 'ergeanl Pepper' 623 00:40:41,772 --> 00:40:44,308 There were a few casual songs be 'rt wrlllen early. 624 00:40:44,374 --> 00:40:46,777 Bul lhe one wblch I'rt call lhe firsl real, 625 00:40:46,877 --> 00:40:50,547 showing 'where we were going song' was "Arnold Layne". 626 00:40:51,949 --> 00:40:55,152 "Arnolrt fayne " is releasert as a single on lhe I 0lb of March. 627 00:41:10,267 --> 00:41:12,336 Syd workert very hard al "Arnold fayne ' 628 00:41:12,402 --> 00:41:15,072 He lold me ll had laken hlm a couple of monlhs 629 00:41:15,138 --> 00:41:17,607 to write the Iyric, to get it just the way he wanted it. 630 00:41:17,674 --> 00:41:19,743 - Really? It wasn't spontaneous? - No. 631 00:41:21,712 --> 00:41:24,982 Tbis ldea tbat Syd rollert oul of bed al luncblime, 632 00:41:25,048 --> 00:41:27,651 lDok some acld anrt wrole a couple of genlus songs 633 00:41:27,718 --> 00:41:30,287 ls just absolule crap. 634 00:41:32,389 --> 00:41:35,425 There's no such thing as easy art, Storm, is there? 635 00:41:36,226 --> 00:41:37,694 Otherwise we'd all be doing it. 636 00:41:45,235 --> 00:41:48,205 Desplle belng banned by Rartlo fondon for obscenlly, 637 00:41:48,271 --> 00:41:51,208 "Arnolrt fayne "rencbes number 20 In lhe slngles chart 638 00:41:51,274 --> 00:41:53,176 wllb lhe album "Piper al lhe Gales of Dawn " 639 00:41:53,243 --> 00:41:54,344 reacblng number slx. 640 00:41:55,145 --> 00:41:57,180 He was speclacular al lhe beglnnlng. 641 00:41:57,247 --> 00:41:59,883 Prom lhal Chrlslmas, lbrough lo tbe summer 642 00:41:59,950 --> 00:42:01,518 when tbey released 'Arnold Lanye " 643 00:42:01,618 --> 00:42:05,022 anrt lhen "The Plper' Syd, anrt of course Hendrlx, 644 00:42:05,088 --> 00:42:07,858 were klnrt Dflhe lwo blg psychertelic slars. 645 00:42:18,068 --> 00:42:23,006 In May I 967, Plnk Floyd announce a mullimertia psychedellc concert 646 00:42:23,073 --> 00:42:25,509 "Games For May' at lhe Queen Ellzabelh Hall. 647 00:42:25,575 --> 00:42:27,677 Barrell bas wrlllen a new song for lhe evenl, 648 00:42:27,744 --> 00:42:29,980 wbose lllle also "Games for May' 649 00:42:30,047 --> 00:42:33,817 changes lo become lbe era rteflnlng 'ee Emlly Play' 650 00:42:37,854 --> 00:42:39,756 He startert lnnovallng bls muslc 651 00:42:39,823 --> 00:42:42,292 wilb lbe Zlppo llghler on bls Slralocasler 652 00:42:42,359 --> 00:42:43,493 sllrtlng ll up and dDwn. 653 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,962 I n gigs, suddenly he was using this Zippo lighter 654 00:42:46,029 --> 00:42:48,865 to create these incredibly eerie sounds. 655 00:43:14,391 --> 00:43:17,961 'Ee Emlly Play" becomes lhe second Plnk FIDyd hil slngle, 656 00:43:18,028 --> 00:43:20,130 earnlng lhe group several cruclal appearances 657 00:43:20,197 --> 00:43:24,034 on lhe prlmellme BBC muslc sbow Top of lbe Pops In July. 658 00:44:02,139 --> 00:44:05,275 When "See Emily Play" went to No. 5 or got into the top ten ... 659 00:44:05,342 --> 00:44:06,543 I remember it well. 660 00:44:06,610 --> 00:44:08,278 I was really excllert 661 00:44:08,345 --> 00:44:10,313 anrt I'm wearlng all tbese slupld clolbes. 662 00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:12,649 Yeah , but it was exciting , for God's sake. 663 00:44:12,716 --> 00:44:14,117 It was very exciting 664 00:44:14,184 --> 00:44:18,155 but I remember Syd in the dressing room 665 00:44:18,221 --> 00:44:19,723 sitting there and he looked a bit glum 666 00:44:19,789 --> 00:44:21,224 and I went, "Come on , what's up?" 667 00:44:21,291 --> 00:44:22,559 He looked at me and he said , 668 00:44:22,626 --> 00:44:24,728 "John Lennon doesn't have to do this." 669 00:44:24,861 --> 00:44:27,531 Even when things were going as well as they could , 670 00:44:27,597 --> 00:44:29,266 the band actually was stressful. 671 00:44:29,332 --> 00:44:32,469 I remember we were in Trafalgar Square, we 'rt been In Green Park, 672 00:44:32,536 --> 00:44:36,273 and lhen ll was lime lo go lo Top of lhe Pops. 673 00:44:36,339 --> 00:44:39,109 Syrt sairt, "I don 'I really fancy il." 674 00:44:39,176 --> 00:44:42,045 I sald, "Well, yeab, bul ll's a bil of a blg rteal." 675 00:44:42,312 --> 00:44:43,780 There was the famous three weeks 676 00:44:43,847 --> 00:44:45,949 that we did "See Emily Play" on Top of the Pops. 677 00:44:46,283 --> 00:44:48,818 Tbe flrsl week was fine, Syrt looks really goort. 678 00:44:48,885 --> 00:44:51,988 He's sllllng cross Ieggert on a greal blg lndlan cushlDn. 679 00:44:52,489 --> 00:44:57,894 The second week, he arrivert lale, looklng very shambolic lnrteert. 680 00:44:58,962 --> 00:45:01,498 Third week, we couldn't find him anywhere. 681 00:45:02,065 --> 00:45:06,236 I openert lhe door and Syrt was lhere looking lolally freaked oul. 682 00:45:06,303 --> 00:45:09,039 His feel were bare anrt he sairt, "Hl, can I come In ?" 683 00:45:09,139 --> 00:45:10,774 I sald, "Of course you can come In." 684 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,043 Anrt be dldn 'I say anylhing. 685 00:45:13,143 --> 00:45:15,111 Then there was a bang on the door 686 00:45:15,178 --> 00:45:18,181 and somebody was like, "Is Syd in there?" 687 00:45:18,748 --> 00:45:23,420 Whoever this person was, came in and just literally grabbed him 688 00:45:23,486 --> 00:45:24,721 and dragged him out. 689 00:45:38,835 --> 00:45:42,372 I think Syd Barrett was interested in this total freedom 690 00:45:42,439 --> 00:45:46,910 almost like a jazz, really. 691 00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:48,678 A kind of 'dlvertlmenll 692 00:45:50,180 --> 00:45:53,950 I suppose lrylng lo slruclure or reln In lhis klnrt of energy 693 00:45:54,484 --> 00:45:56,486 mlgbl have been fairly rtifflcull for hlm. 694 00:46:01,091 --> 00:46:03,560 There 'd been a lol of welrrt sluffDn slage 695 00:46:03,627 --> 00:46:05,128 wllb Syrt delunlng gullars 696 00:46:05,195 --> 00:46:10,133 and lurnlng il lnlo a mlnd-numblng sound. 697 00:46:11,201 --> 00:46:14,804 We were committed to being a pop grou p 698 00:46:14,871 --> 00:46:17,874 and Syd was absolutely on the way to being , 699 00:46:17,941 --> 00:46:20,143 "No, I don't actually want to be a pop star." 700 00:46:31,288 --> 00:46:33,890 Tbe relenlless gigglng anrt demanrts Dfslarrtom 701 00:46:33,957 --> 00:46:36,059 are laklng tbelr lDll on Barrell's psycbe. 702 00:46:47,537 --> 00:46:53,343 I was living in France in '6I, and I came back to England. 703 00:46:53,443 --> 00:46:55,712 I wenl lo see lhem recorrtlng 704 00:46:55,779 --> 00:46:58,648 and somelhing hart changert qulle radlcally. 705 00:46:58,715 --> 00:47:01,184 He had losl bls spark anrt hls bounce 706 00:47:01,251 --> 00:47:06,122 and lhal was a very ortrt anrt uncomrtable momenl. 707 00:47:06,189 --> 00:47:08,792 The lhree songs I lhlnk lhal are really lmpDrtanl, 708 00:47:08,858 --> 00:47:11,861 'ugbanrt Blues ' 'cream Tby fasl Scream " 709 00:47:11,928 --> 00:47:13,096 and "Vegetable Man ' 710 00:47:13,196 --> 00:47:16,066 "Vegelnble Man ' he wrole ll In my room. 711 00:47:16,132 --> 00:47:19,636 He sal In a corner anrt he just wrole lbose lyrlcs down. 712 00:47:22,839 --> 00:47:24,341 Il was scary. 713 00:47:24,407 --> 00:47:27,444 You had this skinny guy who's just crying his heart out, 714 00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:30,013 "That's why I am vegetable man ." 715 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,281 You go, "Oh God. 716 00:47:32,816 --> 00:47:34,417 Is that what you really think? 717 00:47:34,484 --> 00:47:36,319 Is that how you feel about yourself now?" 718 00:47:36,486 --> 00:47:39,089 It was all lhal classlc music buslness bollocks. 719 00:47:39,155 --> 00:47:41,091 "Come on Syd, where's lbe nexl slngle ?" 720 00:47:41,157 --> 00:47:43,560 He was a senslllve chap, he wasn 'I harrtbollert. 721 00:47:43,993 --> 00:47:45,695 He didn't like all that pressure. 722 00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:48,798 And he had a hell of a lot of pressure. 723 00:48:10,687 --> 00:48:13,723 Il's llke If you look al Van Gogb's Ialerpiclures, 724 00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:15,091 you get lhe same tblng. 725 00:48:15,158 --> 00:48:19,396 You can see tbe manlfeslallon of lhe lurmoll In bis brain 726 00:48:19,462 --> 00:48:21,164 and all those things. 727 00:48:21,231 --> 00:48:24,534 I think, in the same way you can see the confusion 728 00:48:24,601 --> 00:48:27,203 and everything within Syd's brain. 729 00:48:28,405 --> 00:48:31,207 Bolh "Vegelnble Man " anrt 'cream Thy fasl Scream " 730 00:48:31,274 --> 00:48:34,077 are rteemert uncommerclal by lhe record company. 731 00:48:34,144 --> 00:48:37,447 And 'ugband Blues " is held over for lhe nexl Plnk Ployrt album. 732 00:48:37,881 --> 00:48:40,216 'Apples anrt Oranges ' a song wrlllen by Syd 733 00:48:40,283 --> 00:48:42,752 about his glrlfrlend flndsay Korner shopplng, 734 00:48:42,819 --> 00:48:45,722 is flnally chosen by EMl as Pink Ployrt's lhirrt slngle. 735 00:48:46,523 --> 00:48:49,292 Il is releasert In November anrt ls a flop. 736 00:48:52,128 --> 00:48:55,031 Did you ever see him perform with Pink FIoyd? 737 00:48:55,098 --> 00:48:56,366 Yeah , I did once. 738 00:48:56,433 --> 00:49:00,670 I went to the Roundhouse but it wasn't any fun. 739 00:49:00,737 --> 00:49:01,738 It wasn't. 740 00:49:01,805 --> 00:49:03,973 He didn't look as if he was enjoying it 741 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,309 and so it wasn't anything I did again. 742 00:49:07,343 --> 00:49:09,913 Do you agree in any way about the family's view 743 00:49:09,979 --> 00:49:13,183 which is they blame rock and roll for Syd's decline? 744 00:49:13,249 --> 00:49:15,418 I think that's not an unreasonable position. 745 00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:19,222 I don't think he would have Iiked not to have done it. 746 00:49:19,289 --> 00:49:21,558 He got into it, he was very happy doing it. 747 00:49:21,624 --> 00:49:22,625 It was good fun. 748 00:49:22,725 --> 00:49:25,995 It was sad to see him go downhill . You could see by his eyes. 749 00:49:26,696 --> 00:49:30,700 He would be looking sort of... 750 00:49:30,767 --> 00:49:33,636 He wouldn't look at you , he'd be Iooking into space. 751 00:49:42,145 --> 00:49:45,982 Wltb hopes of breaklng Amerlca anrt despile concerns aboul Syd, 752 00:49:46,816 --> 00:49:48,918 lhe banrt sel off r a mini lour of lbe US. 753 00:50:01,297 --> 00:50:04,334 You're lhere wltb Syrt who was just an artisl who wrole songs 754 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,003 anrt was havlng a good llme nnd llked llslenlng lo muslc, 755 00:50:07,070 --> 00:50:10,173 playlng In a banrt and, "Wow, lsn 'I lhls groovy?" 756 00:50:10,273 --> 00:50:14,377 Able to go and buy a new shirt, have your hair frizzed 757 00:50:14,444 --> 00:50:16,379 and do all these things that you could do. 758 00:50:16,446 --> 00:50:19,749 - Buy some new boots. - Yeah , all that stuff. 759 00:50:19,816 --> 00:50:22,886 Gosh , got some money coming and , "Oh wow." 760 00:50:23,586 --> 00:50:26,556 Then , people started asking him the meaning of life. 761 00:50:27,557 --> 00:50:30,927 He was as ll were lhe plnup bDy of lhe revolullon. 762 00:50:32,295 --> 00:50:34,464 Thal was probnbly very strange going lo America 763 00:50:34,531 --> 00:50:36,766 'cause, "Wow, I'm In Amerlca now. 764 00:50:36,833 --> 00:50:38,401 I'm rtolng lhe Pillmore. 765 00:50:38,468 --> 00:50:40,937 WDwlAnrt lhese guys glve me lhis nlce aclrt. 766 00:50:41,004 --> 00:50:44,707 Wahey! Oh , wow." You know. 767 00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:53,483 Are you lelllng me you anrt Syrtgolplcked up 768 00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:55,251 by a couple of Callfornian blonrtes ? 769 00:50:55,318 --> 00:50:58,154 Exaclly lhal, wllb lhose slralgbl eyebrD. 770 00:50:58,221 --> 00:51:00,223 Yes, everyborty woulrt dream aboul lhls slDry. 771 00:51:00,290 --> 00:51:02,592 - And this happened to you . - It happened to Syd and I. 772 00:51:02,659 --> 00:51:04,727 But we were young kids from England 773 00:51:04,794 --> 00:51:07,664 where this sort of thing was fucking ... 774 00:51:09,332 --> 00:51:11,501 Tbere was lDts of dope anrt lols of everylblng 775 00:51:11,568 --> 00:51:13,236 and Syd was very bappy. 776 00:51:14,404 --> 00:51:15,605 U ntil we returned. 777 00:51:15,672 --> 00:51:19,609 I think, then , it would be the gig in Los Angeles 778 00:51:19,676 --> 00:51:21,911 which was probably the worst gig of all. 779 00:51:21,978 --> 00:51:23,646 These gentlemen you're about to meet 780 00:51:23,713 --> 00:51:25,915 are on their first visit to the U nited States. 781 00:51:25,982 --> 00:51:28,985 They've only been here less than a week as a matter of fact. 782 00:51:29,052 --> 00:51:31,821 Would you greet them warmly please, The Pink FIoyd! 783 00:51:35,058 --> 00:51:37,560 - Rlck llp-synchert ll. - Because ? 784 00:51:37,627 --> 00:51:41,564 Because Syd wDulrtn 'I slng, couldn 'I sing, woulrtn 'I slng. 785 00:51:41,631 --> 00:51:42,865 He just sloort lhere. 786 00:51:44,367 --> 00:51:45,868 That was a tricky tour. 787 00:51:46,169 --> 00:51:47,770 - Syd , did you write this? - Yeah. 788 00:51:47,837 --> 00:51:50,106 I noticed on the album you wrote most of the songs, is that true? 789 00:51:50,173 --> 00:51:51,040 Yeah , that's right. 790 00:51:51,107 --> 00:51:52,442 We rtlrt a TV show In fos Angeles, 791 00:51:52,508 --> 00:51:54,744 he just walked oul Df lhe sludlo and rtlsappeared. 792 00:51:54,811 --> 00:51:55,979 - For a reason ? - No. 793 00:51:56,045 --> 00:51:58,381 Let me wish you , gentlemen , all very good Iuck. 794 00:51:58,448 --> 00:51:59,849 I hope you enjoy your stay, get some sleep 795 00:51:59,916 --> 00:52:02,752 and get something other than cheeseburgers during your stay. 796 00:52:02,819 --> 00:52:04,520 Thank you very much . N ick, nice to see you. 797 00:52:04,587 --> 00:52:08,725 When Syrt became unrellable, I lhlnk we really almosl balert blm, 798 00:52:08,825 --> 00:52:10,693 because we were so dependenl on him. 799 00:52:12,195 --> 00:52:16,265 By tbe llme Anrtrew came back from Amerlca, ll was rteflnllely a prDblem. 800 00:52:16,766 --> 00:52:20,169 One Dflhe more conlenllous rumours ls lhe ldea 801 00:52:20,236 --> 00:52:23,573 lbal be mlghl have been glven aclrt every morning In bis coffee. 802 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:24,941 Dld Rlck say somelhlng? 803 00:52:25,942 --> 00:52:31,981 He reckoned that Syd's downfall came about by his hangers-on. 804 00:52:32,382 --> 00:52:35,018 Then, people wbD are wrlllng books or rtolng lnlervlews, 805 00:52:35,084 --> 00:52:38,054 lbey tblnk, "WbD were his frlends al lhal tlme ?" 806 00:52:38,121 --> 00:52:39,722 'O and so." 807 00:52:39,789 --> 00:52:42,258 - Jock anrt Sue In lhls case ? - Yeab. 808 00:52:42,325 --> 00:52:46,229 Apparently we're living in Richmond , we used to get up every morning , 809 00:52:46,295 --> 00:52:50,466 we all sit around the breakfast table, we would then spike Syd. 810 00:52:50,533 --> 00:52:53,503 It's absolute fucking bollocks. 811 00:52:54,003 --> 00:52:55,938 Maybe lhal's alsD a quallly of rumours. 812 00:52:56,005 --> 00:52:58,775 Il's qulle gDort If your herD is flawert 813 00:52:58,841 --> 00:53:01,477 because of someborty else 's ralber lban lhelr own. 814 00:53:01,544 --> 00:53:02,812 Better for him to be spiked 815 00:53:02,879 --> 00:53:06,349 than to have him gone to them and said , "Oh , can I have some acid now?" 816 00:53:42,852 --> 00:53:45,521 In a way, il woulrt have been mucb easler for all of us 817 00:53:45,588 --> 00:53:47,690 If Syrt ha sald, "I'm really fuckert up. 818 00:53:47,757 --> 00:53:51,127 I'm really sorry, I can 'I cope any more. Can yDu help me ?" 819 00:53:51,194 --> 00:53:55,865 So we were always trying to help him without him giving any ind ication 820 00:53:55,932 --> 00:53:58,401 that he had any desire or need for help. 821 00:53:59,502 --> 00:54:01,671 I remember taking Syd to Ronnie Laing's 822 00:54:01,738 --> 00:54:03,940 and him refusing to get out of the car. 823 00:54:04,006 --> 00:54:05,708 Not that I'm convinced Ronnie Laing 824 00:54:05,775 --> 00:54:08,077 would have been able to do a huge amount for him. 825 00:54:09,011 --> 00:54:12,248 As psychiatrists and psychotherapists 826 00:54:12,315 --> 00:54:16,786 who profess to be able 827 00:54:16,853 --> 00:54:21,824 to be of some service to people 828 00:54:21,891 --> 00:54:24,026 in distressed states of mind , 829 00:54:25,862 --> 00:54:28,531 we cannol expecl lo be of any help 830 00:54:28,598 --> 00:54:31,768 beyond pulllng people back to lhls slrte. 831 00:54:31,834 --> 00:54:37,440 I nto this socially reinforced , 832 00:54:37,540 --> 00:54:42,478 totalitarian , egalitarian , quantitative, 833 00:54:42,578 --> 00:54:48,251 dequantified , de-experientialised dead world. 834 00:54:48,885 --> 00:54:50,887 Where there's no fun or joy 835 00:54:50,953 --> 00:54:55,191 or any genuine celebration of anything 836 00:54:55,258 --> 00:55:00,096 because all that is life and science is studying death. 837 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,097 You coulrt argue lhal some forms of so-callert madness 838 00:55:35,164 --> 00:55:38,601 are slrong moves lo relain freedom. 839 00:55:39,335 --> 00:55:42,638 You could also argue at a certain Ievel , 840 00:55:42,705 --> 00:55:48,678 he could see that the success of the FIoyd was reducing his freedom. 841 00:55:48,744 --> 00:55:52,081 He was playing us this song in a rehearsaI 842 00:55:52,148 --> 00:55:55,384 and the song was called "Have you got it yet?". 843 00:55:55,451 --> 00:56:01,958 And basically, the song would alter so that the chorus was, "No, no, no." 844 00:56:02,024 --> 00:56:05,595 Syd would alter the rhythmic pattern 845 00:56:05,661 --> 00:56:10,099 or do whatever was necessary to ensure that no, they hadn't got it yet. 846 00:56:10,166 --> 00:56:11,767 - Or couldn't. - Or couldn't get it. 847 00:56:11,834 --> 00:56:13,369 Or might never have got it. 848 00:56:15,471 --> 00:56:18,107 Slorles are leglon aboul Syrt's alarming bebaviour 849 00:56:18,174 --> 00:56:19,876 on slage rturlng lhis perlort. 850 00:56:19,942 --> 00:56:21,811 Playlng one nole for an enllre show, 851 00:56:21,878 --> 00:56:25,147 or slowly delunlng bls slrlngs unlll lhey fell Ilmp on lhe gullar. 852 00:56:25,882 --> 00:56:27,617 Flve boolleg recorrtlngs however, 853 00:56:27,683 --> 00:56:29,752 caplure several lnspirert performances. 854 00:56:30,286 --> 00:56:33,055 Nevertbeless, on a smnll package tour wllb Jlmi Hendrlx, 855 00:56:33,122 --> 00:56:34,724 The Move and a few olher bands, 856 00:56:34,790 --> 00:56:36,792 Bnrrel would somelimes need lo be replaced 857 00:56:36,859 --> 00:56:38,394 by Davld O'fisl from Tbe Nlce. 858 00:56:39,862 --> 00:56:43,933 As far back as I 965, Syrt hlmself bart wrlllen lo fibby Gausden 859 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,903 suggesling bls old frlend Davld Gllmour should joln lbe group 860 00:56:47,003 --> 00:56:48,504 referrlng lo blm as 'Prert'. 861 00:56:49,405 --> 00:56:53,042 Whal became known as lhe 'Frert plan ' was now pul lnlD effect. 862 00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:55,678 Looking back on it, 863 00:56:55,745 --> 00:56:59,248 I can see that they all played a distinct part 864 00:56:59,315 --> 00:57:01,117 in the success of Pink FIoyd. 865 00:57:01,217 --> 00:57:04,921 You hart Roger wbo bart lhis masslve rtelermlnallon, 866 00:57:04,987 --> 00:57:10,026 Rick's muslcal sopblsllcalion and you've gol Nick's showmanshlp. 867 00:57:16,132 --> 00:57:19,402 For several shows, lhe banrt performs as a flve-plece 868 00:57:19,468 --> 00:57:21,404 In lbe bope of keeping Syd arDund. 869 00:57:23,306 --> 00:57:27,176 We 'rt alrearty lrlert tbree or four glgs as a flve-plece. 870 00:57:27,243 --> 00:57:29,045 Il was a very uncomfortable feeling 871 00:57:29,111 --> 00:57:33,049 bul I lhlnk we were absDlulely gearert lo lhls lrtea. 872 00:57:33,115 --> 00:57:35,084 Il wasn 'I a maller Dflrylng Dave oul, 873 00:57:35,151 --> 00:57:39,655 I lhlnk we lovert lbe ldea of baving blm In tbe banrt. 874 00:57:53,135 --> 00:57:56,672 Do you recall whal happenert on whal I called 'The day'? 875 00:57:56,739 --> 00:57:59,308 I can 'I remember where Syrt was llvlng al lhe lime. 876 00:57:59,508 --> 00:58:01,777 - We were all.. . - Were you on the way to a gig? 877 00:58:01,844 --> 00:58:04,046 Yeah , we were absolutely on the way to a gig. 878 00:58:04,113 --> 00:58:08,818 Everyone else had been picked up, so we were on the way to pick Syd up 879 00:58:09,819 --> 00:58:14,490 and someone said , "Shall we bother?" more or less. 880 00:58:14,557 --> 00:58:17,827 There was this sort of moment and we went, 881 00:58:17,893 --> 00:58:19,996 "Do you know what? Let's not." 882 00:58:20,663 --> 00:58:22,598 Syd's lasl gig wllh Plnk Floyd 883 00:58:22,665 --> 00:58:26,035 was on lhe 20lb of January, I 968 al Hasllngs Pler. 884 00:58:32,475 --> 00:58:36,012 Do you think it's understandable then that they had to move on as it were? 885 00:58:36,078 --> 00:58:37,246 That's the way it works. 886 00:58:38,447 --> 00:58:39,815 It's animal husbandry. 887 00:58:40,249 --> 00:58:42,351 I'm amaze lhal lhey managert lo recover 888 00:58:42,418 --> 00:58:44,153 from loslng lhelr maln creallve drlve. 889 00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:46,288 No, it's not amazing they recovered , 890 00:58:46,355 --> 00:58:50,126 they became the pop group that they always desired to be. 891 00:58:50,192 --> 00:58:53,329 Once David Gilmour's in there, that's the beginning of something else. 892 00:58:53,396 --> 00:58:54,997 Il's tbe beglnning of lbe Pink Floyrt 893 00:58:55,064 --> 00:58:57,433 lhnl became very successful laler on wllb "Mertdle ' 894 00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:59,869 "Dark Slde of lhe Moon " anrt "Wlsh you Were Here ". 895 00:59:00,503 --> 00:59:02,238 When the FIoyd broke up, 896 00:59:02,805 --> 00:59:05,174 you and Peter, as BIackhill , as I understand , 897 00:59:05,241 --> 00:59:06,776 elected to continue with Syd. 898 00:59:06,842 --> 00:59:09,278 We made a particularly astute commercial decision. 899 00:59:13,416 --> 00:59:14,817 That's lwo verses. 900 00:59:14,884 --> 00:59:16,152 Sorry, I'll do ll agaln. 901 00:59:48,451 --> 00:59:50,553 Syrt came lo Ilve wllb us al Egerton Court 902 00:59:50,619 --> 00:59:54,223 wblch ls lhe ftal lhal we hart In lhe cenlre Df London In Soulh Ken. 903 00:59:55,958 --> 00:59:59,161 I wenl lhere, you were tbere anrt Po was tbere, 904 00:59:59,228 --> 01:00:01,730 Nlgel and Jenny, lhey hart lhe smart room al lhe fronl. 905 01:00:01,797 --> 01:00:04,467 How was Syd dDlng lhose days ? Do you remember? 906 01:00:04,533 --> 01:00:07,736 He was unpredlclable lhen. He was very unprertlclable. 907 01:00:07,803 --> 01:00:10,439 I don't think anybody in the flat realised 908 01:00:10,539 --> 01:00:13,042 just bow bad Syd bart become. 909 01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:16,745 He began locklng himself In bls room for several dnys wllb flndsay. 910 01:00:16,812 --> 01:00:19,348 There were rows, all sorts of things going on. 911 01:00:19,415 --> 01:00:21,717 I had the small room adjacent to the Iarge room 912 01:00:21,784 --> 01:00:23,419 in which he and Lindsay Iived. 913 01:00:23,486 --> 01:00:27,022 I could hear him tickling her, which sou nded harmless enough , 914 01:00:27,089 --> 01:00:29,825 and then she'd scream at him to stop tickling and he wouldn't. 915 01:00:29,925 --> 01:00:32,995 I can't remember what happened but he pushed me over and jumped on me. 916 01:00:33,062 --> 01:00:34,964 That's when I called out and you came in. 917 01:00:35,397 --> 01:00:38,834 Syd rteclrtert lbal presumably lhe relallonsblp was nol as ll shoulrt be 918 01:00:38,901 --> 01:00:42,071 and seemert lo be allacking ber wltb a manrtolln. 919 01:00:42,138 --> 01:00:45,007 Then the next day you took me home to Cambridge. 920 01:00:45,074 --> 01:00:46,976 - Don't you remember? - Yeah. 921 01:00:47,042 --> 01:00:48,644 But was this the end of you and Syd? 922 01:00:48,711 --> 01:00:50,579 Oh yes, that was it. 923 01:00:51,247 --> 01:00:56,018 Syd's apparenl malalse, sball we say, dldn 'I appear lnllially. 924 01:00:56,085 --> 01:00:58,254 I lhoughl he was cbarmlng anrt good company. 925 01:00:58,354 --> 01:01:00,623 This was his very room. 926 01:01:01,357 --> 01:01:04,527 Dave Gllmour llved In Rlcbmonrt Manslons, one slreel away. 927 01:01:04,593 --> 01:01:06,962 We could see from our kllchen inlo bis kllchen. 928 01:01:09,231 --> 01:01:13,235 Syd goes back lnlo Abbey Roart slurtlos lo begin recorrtlng some demos. 929 01:01:13,969 --> 01:01:16,572 Wllb lhe support of Peler Jenner, Malcolm Jones, 930 01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:18,741 Davld Gllmour and Roger Walers, 931 01:01:18,807 --> 01:01:22,645 lhese sesslons, lbDugh rtifflcull, would resull In his flrsl solo album, 932 01:01:23,512 --> 01:01:24,947 "Tbe Martcap faugbs ". 933 01:01:27,316 --> 01:01:28,951 In lbe firsl lol DfsesslDns 934 01:01:29,018 --> 01:01:31,954 you coulrtn 'I gel an honesl answer lo an honesl quesllon. 935 01:01:32,021 --> 01:01:33,956 "Shall we do that again?" 936 01:01:34,023 --> 01:01:35,724 No reply. 937 01:01:35,791 --> 01:01:38,127 "I think that was really good , can we try that again?" 938 01:01:38,194 --> 01:01:39,295 ND reply. 939 01:01:40,029 --> 01:01:41,864 "Woulrt you wanl lo go and play a bll more ?" 940 01:01:41,931 --> 01:01:45,134 Tben, he woulrt go oul anrt maybe play a bll more or maybe nol. 941 01:01:47,303 --> 01:01:48,304 Is ll on ? 942 01:01:50,339 --> 01:01:53,175 There'd been quite a considerable amount of time 943 01:01:53,242 --> 01:01:55,110 and money gone into it 944 01:01:55,211 --> 01:01:59,014 and EM I had decided to more or less pull the plug. 945 01:01:59,081 --> 01:02:01,350 Roger and I asked them if we could finish it off 946 01:02:01,417 --> 01:02:03,686 and they gave us something like three days. 947 01:02:03,752 --> 01:02:07,122 We sluck hlm In lhe sludlo anrt recorrted everylhlng and anylhlng 948 01:02:07,189 --> 01:02:08,591 lbal we coulrt gel blm lo do. 949 01:02:15,164 --> 01:02:18,867 The end result is a pretty fair portrait of him at the time. 950 01:02:19,735 --> 01:02:23,105 And I tblnk his wrlllng probably was beller 951 01:02:23,172 --> 01:02:25,641 lhan lhe wrlling on "Plper al lhe Gales of Dawn ' 952 01:02:25,874 --> 01:02:28,644 "Where are you now pussy willow who smiled on this leaf?" 953 01:02:29,144 --> 01:02:32,081 You go, "Wbal lhe fuck ls lbal aboul?" 954 01:02:47,296 --> 01:02:50,666 He's slill maklng lhese exlraordlnary conneclions 955 01:02:50,733 --> 01:02:52,901 wllb lhe deepesl feellngs of, 956 01:02:53,402 --> 01:02:57,973 "Can I or can I not make contact with other human beings?" 957 01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,844 Which is the stuff of all our Iives. 958 01:03:02,344 --> 01:03:05,080 Storm anrt I bad a company called Hlpgnosls 959 01:03:05,147 --> 01:03:08,050 anrt we were asked lo rto lbe album cDver. 960 01:03:08,117 --> 01:03:10,653 Slorm wenl lo pholDgrapb Syrt wllh Mlck Rock. 961 01:03:19,161 --> 01:03:23,232 He had a flat in which he'd painted the floorboards blue and red , 962 01:03:23,299 --> 01:03:26,635 I think for the photo session , which is pretty amazing. 963 01:03:26,702 --> 01:03:29,338 What was interesting about the floor is there was all this rubble 964 01:03:29,405 --> 01:03:31,573 because he'd paint over the cigarette butts 965 01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,076 and various bits of debris in the room. 966 01:03:35,110 --> 01:03:38,447 I look a pholo of Syrt croucbed a bil llke an animal really. 967 01:03:39,181 --> 01:03:42,217 I look a lon of lhem loo, ll wasn 'I just Slorm. 968 01:03:43,452 --> 01:03:46,955 And lggy lhe Eskimo, wbD was never really his glrlfrlenrt 969 01:03:47,022 --> 01:03:48,957 because lhese were blpple llmes. 970 01:03:49,024 --> 01:03:51,026 I lhlnk she llngerert for a couple of weeks. 971 01:03:51,994 --> 01:03:54,596 On tbe back cDver was a plclure of a naked woman 972 01:03:54,663 --> 01:03:56,732 who was an klmo, 973 01:03:56,799 --> 01:03:59,835 but likert, whelher Syrt was lhere or nDt, lo walk arounrt nakert. 974 01:04:00,836 --> 01:04:03,472 He sald, "Thls is lggy, why rton 'I you pul her In lhe plclure ?" 975 01:04:03,539 --> 01:04:04,673 I salrt, "Plne." 976 01:04:06,775 --> 01:04:08,744 "Tbe Martcap faughs " ls releasert 977 01:04:08,811 --> 01:04:12,715 on EMl's new progresslve lmprlnl, Harvesl, in January I 970. 978 01:04:14,049 --> 01:04:16,518 Il reaches number 40 in lhe UK charts. 979 01:04:16,618 --> 01:04:19,088 Successful enough for EMl lo flnance lbe recorrtlng 980 01:04:19,154 --> 01:04:22,024 Df Syd's secDnrt sDlo album, "Barrell' 981 01:04:28,497 --> 01:04:31,800 There was more time so we could relax a little bit more 982 01:04:31,867 --> 01:04:34,103 and try and do things in a slightly different way. 983 01:04:34,203 --> 01:04:36,905 We llved arounrt lhe corner from eacb olher, 984 01:04:36,972 --> 01:04:40,576 we being myself and Wlllie Wllson. 985 01:04:40,642 --> 01:04:43,379 He and I sharert a ftal In Chelsea. 986 01:04:43,712 --> 01:04:45,848 Syd lived around lhe corner. 987 01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:49,918 We'd try and get him to play along with the band , 988 01:04:49,985 --> 01:04:51,587 but he'd never do it the same twice. 989 01:04:51,653 --> 01:04:54,690 So usually it meant we'd cut a backing track without him 990 01:04:54,757 --> 01:04:57,126 and then get him to put some stuff on it afterwards. 991 01:04:57,926 --> 01:05:00,763 Rlck came along anrt helpert a bit on lhal Dne. 992 01:05:00,863 --> 01:05:04,867 All I ever saw was Dave wanting to get the best out of Syd 993 01:05:04,933 --> 01:05:08,437 he could possibly get, which was not easy. 994 01:05:08,504 --> 01:05:10,839 We just followed him wherever he wenl. 995 01:05:10,906 --> 01:05:15,043 Sometimes, it just kept falling down and falling over itself 996 01:05:15,110 --> 01:05:16,678 and sometimes it got interesting. 997 01:05:30,926 --> 01:05:34,730 He wrote some pretty unusual chord sequences 998 01:05:34,797 --> 01:05:37,966 and found some unusual melodies to sit on the top of it 999 01:05:38,033 --> 01:05:41,670 and wrote fascinating lyrics. 1000 01:05:56,885 --> 01:06:03,158 Even though some around that Wetherby Mansions time are very moody, 1001 01:06:03,225 --> 01:06:05,227 there's quite a lot of them he's Iaughing in. 1002 01:06:14,169 --> 01:06:17,940 Released In November, "Barrell" woulrt be Syd's flnal sludlD album. 1003 01:06:18,974 --> 01:06:20,342 Il lls lo chart. 1004 01:06:23,879 --> 01:06:26,348 Can yDu recall wben you flrsl met Syd? 1005 01:06:26,882 --> 01:06:29,952 He came runnlng up looklng llke a rock slar 1006 01:06:30,052 --> 01:06:33,455 wllh bls velveljeans on, his velveljackel 1007 01:06:33,555 --> 01:06:36,959 anrt bls Chelsea bools on. 1008 01:06:37,059 --> 01:06:39,761 He looked and I thought, "Ooh , wow, it's Syd Barrett." 1009 01:06:40,395 --> 01:06:41,530 He hart a spare room. 1010 01:06:41,597 --> 01:06:44,132 I wasn 'I sure at lhal slage whelher ll was, 1011 01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:46,802 "Come anrt llve wllh me, " or... 1012 01:06:46,869 --> 01:06:49,137 - "Would you like a room?" - "I've got a room ." 1013 01:06:49,204 --> 01:06:51,607 - "Give us some money." - Yeah , "Give us some money." 1014 01:06:51,673 --> 01:06:53,509 He was prelly strange. 1015 01:06:53,575 --> 01:06:56,678 He 'rt just open lhe door anrt cDme In lhe room 1016 01:06:56,745 --> 01:06:58,514 and lhal woulrt be ll. 1017 01:06:58,780 --> 01:07:02,317 I thought it was kind of great to have a boyfriend like that 1018 01:07:02,384 --> 01:07:04,720 rather than a bloke working in Barclays Bank. 1019 01:07:14,263 --> 01:07:17,599 In support of lhe "Martcap faugbs " anrt "Barrell" albums, 1020 01:07:17,666 --> 01:07:21,637 Syrt records a session for lnfluenllal Radlo I DJ, John Peel. 1021 01:07:22,738 --> 01:07:25,607 And on lbe 6lh of June I 970, be plays a glg, 1022 01:07:25,674 --> 01:07:29,211 bls first for lwo years, al lhe Olympla Exblblllon Hall 1023 01:07:29,278 --> 01:07:32,548 wllb Davld Ollmour on bass gultar and Jerry Shlrley on rtrums. 1024 01:07:33,849 --> 01:07:37,719 Afler just a few songs, however, Syd abruplly walks off slage. 1025 01:07:39,121 --> 01:07:44,493 He decided at one stage that he no longer wanted to be a pop star. 1026 01:07:45,093 --> 01:07:51,500 He wenl oul anrt bougbl canvases, lons of pols of palnl and brushes 1027 01:07:51,567 --> 01:07:54,636 anrt he locked hlmselfln lbal room anrtpainled day anrt nlgbl. 1028 01:07:55,203 --> 01:07:58,807 Every lime I was allDwed ID see a canvns, 1029 01:07:58,874 --> 01:08:02,044 lhe next llme I saw ll, ll woulrt ellber be deslroyert 1030 01:08:02,110 --> 01:08:04,279 or he 'dpalnled all over ll. 1031 01:08:04,346 --> 01:08:06,782 Try and keep up with Duggie, 'him next door'. 1032 01:08:06,848 --> 01:08:09,818 He never used his name, it was 'him next door' or 'that painter'. 1033 01:08:10,152 --> 01:08:13,055 You've got two aspects of his personality though , haven't you? 1034 01:08:13,121 --> 01:08:15,190 You've got Roger and Syd. 1035 01:08:15,257 --> 01:08:16,959 Syd was the musician , 1036 01:08:17,025 --> 01:08:20,996 Roger was maybe a would-be artist but Roger never found his way. 1037 01:08:22,297 --> 01:08:25,734 He put a layer of hessian over the curtains 1038 01:08:25,834 --> 01:08:28,503 so he had this darkened room that he Iived in. 1039 01:08:28,570 --> 01:08:31,306 People would stanrt Dutslde hls doDr knocklng and gDlng, 1040 01:08:31,373 --> 01:08:33,875 'yrt, lel me In, " for hours somellmes. 1041 01:08:35,010 --> 01:08:39,414 I moved back to Cambridge and Duggie had called me and said , 1042 01:08:39,481 --> 01:08:43,185 "This is getting crazy." 1043 01:08:43,251 --> 01:08:48,790 I don't know what he was doing but he'd been in his room for days and nights 1044 01:08:48,857 --> 01:08:50,425 and hadn't come out. 1045 01:08:50,492 --> 01:08:53,829 I conlaclert Syrt and I salrt, "Why ldn 'I you cDme ID Cambrldge ?" 1046 01:08:53,895 --> 01:08:57,199 Anrt sDmebow il was like we were back logelher agaln. 1047 01:08:57,299 --> 01:08:59,601 So, I moved in. 1048 01:08:59,668 --> 01:09:01,670 - I nto Hills Road? - I nto H ills Road. 1049 01:09:01,737 --> 01:09:04,106 - I nto the cellar? - I nto the cellar with Syd. 1050 01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:07,843 Il was all rtark, It was orlglnally a coal cellar. 1051 01:09:07,909 --> 01:09:10,545 Il bart all bls blls and pieces from his cblldboort lhere, 1052 01:09:10,612 --> 01:09:13,248 his rtrawlngs, his palnllngs anrt bls guilar. 1053 01:09:14,683 --> 01:09:17,819 Anrt il was all very normal. 1054 01:09:18,553 --> 01:09:20,722 Mrs Barrett would come rushing out and say, 1055 01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:23,859 "Oh, bello dear, hello rtear. Wbal aboul a cup of lea ? 1056 01:09:23,925 --> 01:09:26,428 Rog, would you llke a cup Df lea ?" 1057 01:09:27,496 --> 01:09:29,698 We became engagert. 1058 01:09:31,133 --> 01:09:34,202 Mum Drganised lhis big Sunrtay lunch. 1059 01:09:34,269 --> 01:09:39,241 Thls is lhe llme when Syd lhrew a bowl of lomalo soup over me. 1060 01:09:39,307 --> 01:09:43,245 It was a normal Sunday lunch and Syd just went, whoops! 1061 01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:47,649 Then , he stood up from the table, laughed , disappeared , 1062 01:09:47,716 --> 01:09:51,053 and came down , and he'd cut all his hair off. 1063 01:09:52,854 --> 01:09:54,523 I'rt gone back ID my parents. 1064 01:09:54,589 --> 01:09:56,858 Tbe nexl rtay, a leller arrlved 1065 01:09:56,925 --> 01:10:00,462 saylng lhal lhe engagemenl was offlclally off 1066 01:10:00,562 --> 01:10:04,099 "Yours sincerely, R. K. Barrett." 1067 01:10:04,599 --> 01:10:07,335 I gol anolher leller from hlm lwo rtays laler 1068 01:10:07,402 --> 01:10:10,472 saylng, "Dear Oala, I lhlnk we shoulrt gel marrled. 1069 01:10:10,539 --> 01:10:12,441 Ignore the Ietter I sent you yesterday. 1070 01:10:12,507 --> 01:10:14,276 Lots of love, Syd ." 1071 01:10:14,342 --> 01:10:18,613 We went up lo Lonrton and bDughl anolher engagemenl ring. 1072 01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,483 So lhere's always lwo. Two rlngs and lwo parts of Syrt. 1073 01:10:21,550 --> 01:10:23,151 Two rlngs and lwo lellers. 1074 01:10:24,019 --> 01:10:26,722 Syd's relalionshlp wllh Gala Pinlon would enrt 1075 01:10:26,788 --> 01:10:28,957 wben he became convlncert she was havlng an affalr 1076 01:10:29,024 --> 01:10:31,326 wllb a colleague In lbe local rtepartmenl slore. 1077 01:10:31,927 --> 01:10:34,296 Gala would be lhe last of Barrell's glrlfrlends. 1078 01:10:44,206 --> 01:10:47,909 He became more reclusive when he returned to London 1079 01:10:47,976 --> 01:10:50,045 and he was living in Chelsea Cloisters. 1080 01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,816 Slghllngs of Syd become less frequenl 1081 01:10:54,883 --> 01:10:57,486 wilh just lbe ortd lurld slory In lbe papers 1082 01:10:57,552 --> 01:10:59,855 and occaslonal vislls lo lhe local pub 1083 01:10:59,921 --> 01:11:01,857 or lo lbe oce of bls muslc publishers. 1084 01:11:03,358 --> 01:11:06,161 When we were still at N EMS , which was early 'I0s, 1085 01:11:06,228 --> 01:11:07,963 and he started coming to those offices, 1086 01:11:08,029 --> 01:11:11,900 that's when we realised he didn't have any money or very little money. 1087 01:11:11,967 --> 01:11:14,202 We talked about it and he said 1088 01:11:14,269 --> 01:11:16,671 he did n't know where his money and his royalties were. 1089 01:11:16,738 --> 01:11:19,708 So we said , "That's easy, we'll write to Essex, we'll write to EM I , 1090 01:11:19,775 --> 01:11:22,410 we'll write to PRS and find out where your royalties are." 1091 01:11:22,477 --> 01:11:27,749 I use the phrase very Ioosely, "Poor Syd ." 1092 01:11:27,816 --> 01:11:31,119 Of course, Brian being a money man , 1093 01:11:31,953 --> 01:11:33,989 he went "Poor Syd? 1094 01:11:34,055 --> 01:11:36,792 He made lwo and a half mllllon qulrt lasl year." 1095 01:11:36,892 --> 01:11:39,861 I said , "God , where do you keep all your guitars? You've got loads." 1096 01:11:39,928 --> 01:11:42,297 He said , "I've got another flat for them ." 1097 01:11:43,331 --> 01:11:45,333 He salrt, 'ohn Lennon's gol lols of guilars." 1098 01:11:53,842 --> 01:11:56,044 Wllh royallles from Plnk Floyrt sales 1099 01:11:56,111 --> 01:11:59,614 and Davirt Bowle's cover of 'ee Emlly Play" on his "Pln Ups " album, 1100 01:11:59,681 --> 01:12:01,817 Syrt woul move back and rth belween fondon 1101 01:12:01,883 --> 01:12:04,786 and lbe small back bedroom In hls mDlber's bouse in Cambrirtge 1102 01:12:04,853 --> 01:12:06,488 for lhe nexl I2 years or so. 1103 01:12:07,522 --> 01:12:11,159 Whlle In Cambrldge, Jenny Splres lnlrortuces Barrell lo her husband, 1104 01:12:11,226 --> 01:12:14,663 bass player Jack Monk and rtrummer Twink from Tbe Pink Palrles. 1105 01:12:15,597 --> 01:12:19,634 Afler several lmpromplu jam sessions, lhe lrlo formed lhe group Stars 1106 01:12:19,701 --> 01:12:21,403 and play a hanrtful of glgs locally. 1107 01:12:21,670 --> 01:12:24,472 We 'd like lo brlng Syd Barrell up lo lbe banrt sland. 1108 01:12:24,539 --> 01:12:27,242 Woulrt you come on ? How aboul a hand for Syrt Barrell? 1109 01:12:29,044 --> 01:12:31,012 All appears lo be going well 1110 01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:33,548 bul following a disaslrDus glg wllh MC5 1111 01:12:33,615 --> 01:12:37,219 anrt a negallve revlew In Melorty Maker, Syd leaves lhe group. 1112 01:12:37,285 --> 01:12:39,221 He will never play In publlc agaln. 1113 01:12:44,226 --> 01:12:47,896 A year laler, Plnk FIDyd release "Dark Slde of The Moon " 1114 01:12:47,963 --> 01:12:50,765 anrt hll lbe lop of lhe US Billboarrt album cbarts. 1115 01:12:50,832 --> 01:12:53,768 Il remalns one of lbe besl-selllng records of all llme. 1116 01:12:56,771 --> 01:12:59,241 As Pink Floyrt's success anrt fame grows, 1117 01:12:59,307 --> 01:13:02,210 Peler Jenner persuades Syrt ID relurn lo Abbey Roart. 1118 01:13:02,277 --> 01:13:05,513 After lhree days In lhe slurtlo prortuclng just a hanrtful of rlffs, 1119 01:13:05,580 --> 01:13:06,882 lhe sesslDns are abanrtoned. 1120 01:13:15,357 --> 01:13:19,728 In /975, Plnk Ployrt records lhelr nlnlb slurtlo album, 1121 01:13:19,794 --> 01:13:22,731 lhe concepl recorrt "Wlsh You Were Here ' 1122 01:13:22,797 --> 01:13:25,267 ngaln reachlng number one on lhe Blllboard cbarts. 1123 01:13:26,334 --> 01:13:29,838 Wrlllen as a lrlbule lo Syrt, 'bine on You Crazy Diamonrt' 1124 01:13:29,905 --> 01:13:32,974 a 25-mlnule-long lrack made up of nlne parts 1125 01:13:33,041 --> 01:13:34,309 book ends lhe album. 1126 01:13:37,245 --> 01:13:41,816 The last personal abiding memory I have of Syd was at Abbey Road 1127 01:13:41,883 --> 01:13:45,186 when he turned up, remarkably, 1128 01:13:45,253 --> 01:13:47,889 at the recording of "Shine on You Crazy Diamond" 1129 01:13:47,956 --> 01:13:49,457 but I didn't realise it was him. 1130 01:13:50,825 --> 01:13:54,996 I was sllling In my usual place In tbe conlrol rDom of Slurtlo 3. 1131 01:13:55,063 --> 01:13:57,098 I heard lbe rtoor go, looked round 1132 01:13:57,165 --> 01:13:59,668 anrt lhere was lbls chap slanrtlng In tbe back of lhe room 1133 01:13:59,734 --> 01:14:02,804 who was sllghlly portly, wllh a shaven head anrt a raincoal on. 1134 01:14:02,871 --> 01:14:07,609 I just assumed he was something to do with the studio. 1135 01:14:07,676 --> 01:14:10,145 You would occasionally get odd people popping in. 1136 01:14:10,245 --> 01:14:12,714 I had been doing something in the studio. 1137 01:14:12,781 --> 01:14:15,717 I don't know what but I'd been in the studio. 1138 01:14:15,784 --> 01:14:18,186 So I came into the control room 1139 01:14:18,253 --> 01:14:21,623 to find the band all looking a little bit weird. 1140 01:14:21,957 --> 01:14:23,158 It took a little while. 1141 01:14:23,224 --> 01:14:27,495 I don't recall whether it was Roger or David who realised that it was Syd. 1142 01:14:27,595 --> 01:14:31,866 I was waiting for someone to either say, "This is so and so." 1143 01:14:31,933 --> 01:14:35,036 Or for someone to say "Security are coming any minute now." 1144 01:14:35,103 --> 01:14:37,472 For someone who'd come in off the street. 1145 01:14:39,941 --> 01:14:42,711 Dave looked at me and he said , "Do you know who that is?" 1146 01:14:42,777 --> 01:14:44,512 I went, "No." 1147 01:14:44,612 --> 01:14:46,481 Anrt he sairt, "Il's Syd." 1148 01:14:49,684 --> 01:14:51,720 He hadn't been seen for six years. 1149 01:14:53,955 --> 01:14:55,557 He asked if he could help. 1150 01:14:56,458 --> 01:14:58,860 Syd came in and sat down , 1151 01:14:58,927 --> 01:15:02,163 David and Roger started talking to him. 1152 01:15:02,230 --> 01:15:06,668 I then took this opportunity to snap a couple of photos 1153 01:15:06,735 --> 01:15:09,637 with the camera that I'd only had a couple of days 1154 01:15:09,704 --> 01:15:12,340 as a present from the band after we'd done Knebworth. 1155 01:15:14,009 --> 01:15:17,712 Il lurns oul I was uslng a slow speert ouldoor fllm. 1156 01:15:18,847 --> 01:15:21,049 So piclures indoors are a llllle bll gralny. 1157 01:15:22,283 --> 01:15:26,721 Roger bart Brlan Humphrles, lbe englneer play blm lbe enrt of "Shlne On ' 1158 01:15:26,788 --> 01:15:30,458 wbich fealures lhe melorty Ilne of 'ee Emlly Play' 1159 01:15:30,525 --> 01:15:32,827 Roger asked him afterwards if he recognised it 1160 01:15:32,894 --> 01:15:36,664 and Syd just said no. 1161 01:15:36,731 --> 01:15:38,133 Very blank, "No." 1162 01:15:39,567 --> 01:15:41,102 Syrt dlrtplck up lhe Martln, 1163 01:15:41,169 --> 01:15:44,205 lbe D-35 gullar In lhe conlrol room lhere. 1164 01:15:44,272 --> 01:15:46,608 I don 'I lhlnk be played anylhlng In partlcular. 1165 01:15:48,109 --> 01:15:49,544 Then what happened? 1166 01:15:51,579 --> 01:15:56,518 Nothing , we carried on working , as far as I remember. 1167 01:15:56,584 --> 01:15:58,286 Probably a lillle bll shellsbocked. 1168 01:16:00,522 --> 01:16:03,725 Rlck was lerrlbly upsel anrt Roger crlert. 1169 01:16:04,959 --> 01:16:08,763 Oflen people forgel lhal allhougb Syd was a buge lalenl, 1170 01:16:08,830 --> 01:16:12,200 lhis is a lalent lhal was all loo soDn losl lo us. 1171 01:16:13,435 --> 01:16:17,906 And that the band , had Ioved him. 1172 01:16:29,117 --> 01:16:33,188 Remember wben you were yDung, you shone llke lhe sun 1173 01:16:33,621 --> 01:16:35,590 Sblne on you crazy dlamond 1174 01:16:37,559 --> 01:16:41,763 Now lhere's a look In your eyes llke black holes In lhe sky 1175 01:16:43,064 --> 01:16:44,966 Sblne on you crazy dlamond 1176 01:16:46,434 --> 01:16:51,739 You were caugbl in lhe crDssfire of cbllrthoort anrt slarrtom 1177 01:16:53,775 --> 01:16:55,610 Blown on lhe sleel breeze 1178 01:16:57,412 --> 01:17:01,916 Come on you slranger, you legenrt, you martyr anrt shlne 1179 01:18:00,375 --> 01:18:02,243 In spile of his now cull slalus 1180 01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:05,813 In lhe eyes of a new generalion of fans anrt muslclans, 1181 01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,318 In I 978 Barrell sells lhe rlghls lo hls sDlo albums lo lhe record company. 1182 01:18:11,753 --> 01:18:15,123 By I 98 I, be's faclng bankruplcy proceertings. 1183 01:18:17,192 --> 01:18:21,963 In I 982, Syrt walks lbe 50 mlles from fondon back lo Cambrldge, 1184 01:18:22,030 --> 01:18:24,232 relurnlng home for lhe lasl llme. 1185 01:18:37,245 --> 01:18:39,314 He hart enormous bllslers on bls el 1186 01:18:39,380 --> 01:18:41,716 and he was lying on lbe sofa wllb his feel up 1187 01:18:41,783 --> 01:18:43,618 lrylng lo gel lhese blislers menrtert. 1188 01:18:45,153 --> 01:18:47,922 He just wanted to get home and he hadn't got any money. 1189 01:18:48,022 --> 01:18:51,292 You've gol lo remember lhal be never ld a day's work In his llfe, 1190 01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:53,661 getllng a salary or a wage packel. 1191 01:18:53,728 --> 01:18:57,232 He never bart lhal, so he never aclual!y grew up lo be responslble 1192 01:18:57,298 --> 01:18:58,666 because he never needed lo. 1193 01:18:58,733 --> 01:19:01,569 And I suppose all of us, if we d idn't need to, we wouldn't do it. 1194 01:19:01,636 --> 01:19:03,404 It's more fun being a child , isn't it? 1195 01:19:05,974 --> 01:19:07,542 We usert lo go oul In lhe car, 1196 01:19:07,609 --> 01:19:10,812 go lo areas where be coulrt pbDtograph for a palnllng. 1197 01:19:10,878 --> 01:19:14,215 So we spenl a lol of llme al Grantcbesler, whlch is just nearby. 1198 01:19:14,916 --> 01:19:18,253 He went back lo Cambrlrtge anrt his art very much reflecls lhal. 1199 01:19:18,319 --> 01:19:20,088 You could say ll's a relurn lo landscape. 1200 01:19:20,154 --> 01:19:24,125 - What happened to the work? - He wasn't keen on keeping his works. 1201 01:19:24,192 --> 01:19:26,327 Il's nol lbal be rtirtn 'I care r tbem aflerwards 1202 01:19:26,394 --> 01:19:28,429 because be rtid lake pbolos of lbem. 1203 01:19:28,529 --> 01:19:30,632 But he did tend to destroy work. 1204 01:19:30,732 --> 01:19:35,303 Syd marte lhlngs anrt lhen seemert lo deslroy lhem, Dr so we 're lolrt, 1205 01:19:35,370 --> 01:19:36,938 anrt I'm wonderlng whal lhal means. 1206 01:19:37,739 --> 01:19:39,841 Maybe he rtlrtn 'I llke loo much cluller. 1207 01:19:40,241 --> 01:19:42,777 It's called 'Syd's Feng Shui'. 1208 01:19:46,981 --> 01:19:48,650 He needert a lDt of support. 1209 01:19:48,716 --> 01:19:50,385 He was rtistressert. 1210 01:19:51,386 --> 01:19:55,290 PDr 25 years or so be was my responslbilily. 1211 01:19:57,091 --> 01:19:58,192 I cared for him. 1212 01:19:59,761 --> 01:20:03,564 He 'd come on his blke and he 'dgDl a canvas shopplng bag, 1213 01:20:03,631 --> 01:20:05,400 very much nn old person's tblng. 1214 01:20:05,466 --> 01:20:07,502 I said to him , "Do you know who I am?" 1215 01:20:07,568 --> 01:20:10,204 And he said , "Yes, I do. It's Libby isn't it?" 1216 01:20:10,271 --> 01:20:11,773 I said , "Yes, it is." 1217 01:20:11,839 --> 01:20:13,308 And we talked for a little while. 1218 01:20:13,374 --> 01:20:16,377 That's a strange question to ask, "Do you know who I am?" 1219 01:20:16,444 --> 01:20:18,313 I know who you are, you don't have to ask me. 1220 01:20:18,379 --> 01:20:20,248 I did have to ask him , he looked different. 1221 01:20:22,050 --> 01:20:25,186 He lolnlly moved on and dldn 'I llke lhal person, 1222 01:20:25,253 --> 01:20:28,990 he rtldn't like lhal worlrt anrt dldn 'I wanl lo be remlnrted of ll. 1223 01:20:29,557 --> 01:20:31,259 When people came lo lhe rtoor, he 'rt say, 1224 01:20:31,326 --> 01:20:33,027 'yd rtoesn 'I llve here nnymore." 1225 01:20:33,094 --> 01:20:34,429 Because be rtlrtn 'I. 1226 01:20:35,330 --> 01:20:36,764 He wasn't Syd anymore. 1227 01:20:38,700 --> 01:20:42,503 I lblnk ll's mosl unlikely lhalyDu can relnvenlyourself, 1228 01:20:42,570 --> 01:20:46,374 lbal you can become an orrtlnary bloke wbo goes rtown lhe pub and plays rtarts 1229 01:20:46,441 --> 01:20:47,842 wben you've been a rock slar, 1230 01:20:47,909 --> 01:20:50,511 wben you've been in lhe hll pararte and lhen you're nol. 1231 01:20:51,979 --> 01:20:55,016 DD you lblnk people llke lo embrolrter anrt romance lblngs ? 1232 01:20:55,083 --> 01:20:56,684 He's perfecl for rumours. 1233 01:20:56,784 --> 01:20:59,087 A magnellc person who's had so much lmpacl 1234 01:20:59,153 --> 01:21:02,323 anrt lhe banrt wenl on going on belng more anrt more successful. 1235 01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:04,025 And where was Syd? 1236 01:21:04,092 --> 01:21:05,793 Perfect for rumours. 1237 01:21:05,860 --> 01:21:09,197 I know the Daily Mail on a quiet celebrity period , 1238 01:21:09,297 --> 01:21:12,166 would rediscover him every three years, you know. 1239 01:21:12,233 --> 01:21:13,801 "The mad genius of Pink FIoyd ." 1240 01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,343 I have a feellng lhal unrternealh a lol of lhls is a sartness. 1241 01:21:22,410 --> 01:21:24,512 Yes, bul you rton't know, you see. 1242 01:21:24,579 --> 01:21:28,249 Whal was he lhlnking on bis bicycle In Cambrlrtge on his own ? 1243 01:21:30,818 --> 01:21:33,287 We can lalk aboul ll forever bul we won 'I know. 1244 01:22:09,323 --> 01:22:11,859 Il's nol for us lo say how people shoulrt be. 1245 01:22:11,926 --> 01:22:14,095 Of course, ll wDuld have been great If be 'rt gone on 1246 01:22:14,162 --> 01:22:16,130 to prortuce sluff all hls llfe, bul he dlrtn 'I. 1247 01:22:16,197 --> 01:22:17,265 Anrt wby? 1248 01:22:17,365 --> 01:22:20,368 You could say he was in a weather system , 1249 01:22:20,435 --> 01:22:24,472 something bigger than him that turned him over. 1250 01:22:25,273 --> 01:22:28,142 And it was sunny for the first two weeks 1251 01:22:28,209 --> 01:22:29,710 and it rained for six years. 1252 01:22:33,481 --> 01:22:38,085 There was a lragedy belng playert Dul partly self-lnduced. 1253 01:22:38,786 --> 01:22:43,558 In lbe end, il's a lraglc lale 1254 01:22:43,624 --> 01:22:48,229 anrt lraglc lales resonale wilh us In a dlfferenl way 1255 01:22:48,296 --> 01:22:51,599 and perhaps more aculely lhan lales of trlumpb. 1256 01:22:53,801 --> 01:22:56,637 Oul In lrtabD, lbey know who Plnk Ployrt are. 1257 01:22:56,704 --> 01:22:58,773 They probably don't know who Syd Barrett is. 1258 01:22:59,073 --> 01:23:03,744 He's the old singer in the band that I love, which is Pink Floyd. 1259 01:23:04,212 --> 01:23:08,082 The banrt we know Floyd ID be nDw, wouldn 'I be here wllhoul Syd. 1260 01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:10,117 Bul ll doesn 'I really bear much resemblance 1261 01:23:10,184 --> 01:23:11,419 lo lbe banrt lbal Syd was In. 1262 01:23:12,286 --> 01:23:15,923 Whal would ll have sounrtert llke If be bart slayert in lhe band? 1263 01:23:16,023 --> 01:23:18,326 I would hope that he would be able to see 1264 01:23:18,392 --> 01:23:20,695 what a beautiful thing it ended up being. 1265 01:23:20,962 --> 01:23:23,531 He ld lbings for lhelr own sake 1266 01:23:23,598 --> 01:23:26,400 an be rtepenrtert heavlly on hls Dwn chllrthoort memDries. 1267 01:23:26,467 --> 01:23:28,469 Bul I lbink lhal's alsD a goort Iesson lo us all, 1268 01:23:28,536 --> 01:23:32,039 lo go back lnslrte yourselves and see whal you can flnrt. 1269 01:23:33,074 --> 01:23:35,643 Now I don 'I unrterstanrt how borlng muslc can be, 1270 01:23:35,710 --> 01:23:38,379 wben al one polnl someborty was lrylng lo pul 1271 01:23:38,446 --> 01:23:42,717 so much lnto ur mlnules wDrtb of lislenlng 1272 01:23:42,783 --> 01:23:47,922 anrt lhe ear was enlertalned. 1273 01:23:49,991 --> 01:23:55,196 I hope lhal young people lhink lwlce because look whal can happen. 1274 01:23:57,064 --> 01:23:59,767 It'd be nice to think that people could Iearn a bit. 1275 01:24:03,738 --> 01:24:09,010 There are some people who must have a weakness of some sort 1276 01:24:09,076 --> 01:24:12,179 that is like a switch waiting to be turned. 1277 01:24:12,246 --> 01:24:15,316 And lhal swilcb wlll go and lhey'll never qulte come back. 1278 01:24:15,850 --> 01:24:18,920 I lhlnk il's really bard lo nol feel somelbing. 1279 01:24:18,986 --> 01:24:21,522 We probably dlrt aboul as mucb as we could. 1280 01:24:21,589 --> 01:24:23,057 We were all very young. 1281 01:24:23,124 --> 01:24:25,960 - Bul I bave a regret or lwo. - In whal form ? 1282 01:24:26,060 --> 01:24:28,029 That I never went to see him. 1283 01:24:28,095 --> 01:24:30,164 H is family kind of discouraged it. 1284 01:24:30,231 --> 01:24:31,566 Maybe we shoulrt have. 1285 01:24:31,632 --> 01:24:34,268 I regret that I never went up to his house in Cambridge. 1286 01:24:34,335 --> 01:24:36,604 - I n the '80s you mean? - '80s, '90s, 2000s. 1287 01:24:36,671 --> 01:24:37,872 I did n't go either. 1288 01:24:37,939 --> 01:24:41,108 None of us did , but I think, in retrospect, 1289 01:24:41,175 --> 01:24:44,979 both Syd and I might have gained something 1290 01:24:45,046 --> 01:24:49,717 out of one or two people popping around to his house 1291 01:24:49,784 --> 01:24:51,018 for a cup of tea. 1292 01:24:51,085 --> 01:24:56,724 There's this bloke who changed the Iives of everyone arou nd him. 1293 01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:04,031 - Yeah , I think.. . - It's a terrible story. 1294 01:25:04,098 --> 01:25:07,335 - Sorry? - It's a terrible story, Storm. 1295 01:25:07,401 --> 01:25:11,005 - It's a sad story. - It's a very, very sad story. 1296 01:25:12,873 --> 01:25:14,742 Is it a sad story? I wonder. 1297 01:25:16,277 --> 01:25:18,512 I don't think so, Storm , no. 1298 01:25:18,579 --> 01:25:20,181 - Sorry? - I don't think so. 1299 01:25:21,115 --> 01:25:22,116 I hope not. 1300 01:25:26,053 --> 01:25:29,724 I suppose it's because I partly feel he was unfulfilled 1301 01:25:29,790 --> 01:25:33,527 but that's just my projection rather than what he felt. 1302 01:25:33,594 --> 01:25:34,395 Yeah. 1303 01:25:35,262 --> 01:25:39,600 Well , all right, it's sad in this way. 1304 01:25:40,234 --> 01:25:45,439 We lboughl we were mDvlng In lhls wonderful rtlrecllon lo ulopla. 1305 01:25:46,407 --> 01:25:49,844 We were fully engagert In lbe blp dream 1306 01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:51,579 and ll was a rtream. 1307 01:25:51,646 --> 01:25:56,584 We hart splrllual helgbls In our slghts anrt Syrt loo. 1308 01:26:15,636 --> 01:26:17,838 Do you bave anytblng to lell me ? 1309 01:26:30,618 --> 01:26:31,485 Yeah. 1310 01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:34,388 OK, Syd. 1311 01:26:34,455 --> 01:26:36,257 I can't, I sort of... 1312 01:26:45,566 --> 01:26:46,600 I can't really say. 1313 01:27:25,372 --> 01:27:29,877 If you were, bypolhellcally, to wrlle a leller lo Syd... 1314 01:27:29,944 --> 01:27:31,879 Writing to him now? Yeah. 1315 01:27:31,946 --> 01:27:34,281 It would take me ages, I think. 1316 01:27:35,216 --> 01:27:39,653 I would say that he was a good man . "You were a good man. 1317 01:27:40,287 --> 01:27:44,558 And it's terribly sad what happened to you. 1318 01:27:44,625 --> 01:27:47,528 Sorry about all the rubbish that gets written about you 1319 01:27:47,595 --> 01:27:49,864 and the silly stories that get told ." 1320 01:27:51,298 --> 01:27:55,369 "I'm glart lbal you managed to gel away from all lbal martness 1321 01:27:55,436 --> 01:27:57,972 tbat was gDlng on In LDnrton arounrt your llfe. 1322 01:27:58,038 --> 01:28:01,876 And I hope that you were happy." 1323 01:28:08,382 --> 01:28:11,485 I'd say, "Syd come back," because he became Roger 1324 01:28:11,552 --> 01:28:13,454 and I don't think Roger was any happier. 1325 01:28:14,421 --> 01:28:17,258 A lol Df people tblnk my cnreer slarted wllh David Bowle 1326 01:28:17,324 --> 01:28:22,129 anrt I'rt bave lo say, well, of course, really tbe beglnning was Syd Barrell. 1327 01:28:22,830 --> 01:28:23,864 So, thank you Syd. 1328 01:28:25,966 --> 01:28:28,402 I always go back, revisll his work, 1329 01:28:28,469 --> 01:28:33,374 anrt il's always as good as I gel olrter and my underslanrting grows. 1330 01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:35,709 For me, he's like the perfect artist. 1331 01:28:35,776 --> 01:28:39,313 So, I'd like to give him a hug. 1332 01:28:49,657 --> 01:28:53,527 It's very interesting that you bring up memory. 1333 01:28:53,594 --> 01:28:58,532 And clearly this whole story that you're trying to tell about Syd 1334 01:28:58,599 --> 01:29:01,769 depends upon the memories of people of our age. 1335 01:29:01,836 --> 01:29:03,704 SIippery memories, aren't they? 1336 01:29:03,771 --> 01:29:09,577 Well , we all know that we make up memories to suit our egos. 1337 01:29:09,643 --> 01:29:12,079 - Thank you very mucb. - No. 1338 01:29:12,146 --> 01:29:13,414 Thal was greal. 1339 01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:15,516 Il was nice lo be lertgenlly back. 1340 01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:21,922 It's actually quite emotionaI 1341 01:29:21,989 --> 01:29:24,792 standing up here with these three guys after all these years. 1342 01:29:27,661 --> 01:29:29,997 Standing to be counted with the rest of you. 1343 01:29:32,967 --> 01:29:36,136 Anyway, we're doing this for everybody who's not here, 1344 01:29:36,203 --> 01:29:38,072 and particularly, of course, for Syd. 1345 01:31:26,046 --> 01:31:27,448 Syd, are you ready? 1346 01:31:27,514 --> 01:31:29,249 - Yeab. - Off you go. 1347 01:33:42,182 --> 01:33:43,884 I'll rtD ll on lop, rlghl? 1348 01:33:43,951 --> 01:33:45,319 I'll slart agaln. 1349 01:33:47,254 --> 01:33:48,255 119337

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