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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,162 WWW.MY-SUBS.CO 1 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,240 This is all of Toby's medals. 2 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,720 This is Toby's Purple Heart. 3 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,520 He got this here from injuries he got in Afghanistan. 4 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,720 We were really proud of Toby 5 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:45,960 when he got all these, 6 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,040 but I would gladly give them all back just to have him back. 7 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,640 My name is Arunda Perkins. 8 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,080 I'm Toby Gregory's mom. 9 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,560 He did two tours of Afghanistan back to back, 10 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,040 and it was really bad. 11 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,160 Toby was never the same after that last tour. 12 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,680 The military just done something to him and he ain't my Toby now. 13 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,120 I am Toby Gregory. 14 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,800 I'm at the Jefferson City Correctional Center 15 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,400 in the state of Missouri. 16 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,160 I was given a 24, uh, year sentence for second-degree murder 17 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,920 due to diminished capacity 18 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,200 for PTSD. 19 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,440 I was born, uh, July 16th, 1974. 20 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,200 I grew up in the small town of Belle, Missouri. 21 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,160 There wasn't a whole lot to do there. 22 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,600 We went out to creeks and partied. 23 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,280 And I guess ever since then, I realized that I like drinking. 24 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,080 In my teenage years, it got more so. 25 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,640 It didn't get totally out of control until I... 26 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,320 when I joined the military. 27 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,000 Uh, then that was the pastime. 28 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,040 I always thought about joining the military when I was young. 29 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,000 But when I first got off the bus at Marine Corps boot camp, 30 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,560 I was thinking, "What did I do to myself?" 31 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,120 Why... Why did I want to put myself through this? 32 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,840 But then, once I graduated, I felt the sense of accomplishment 33 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,840 of earning the title as a marine, 34 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,520 and it... It was great... 35 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,360 for a while. 36 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,960 She took a personal interest in me. 37 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:39,080 And she did things to me that was not only against policy, but against the law. 38 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,560 She would come in at gunpoint... 39 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,160 and she would sexually assault me. 40 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,920 She would make me take Viagra and have sex with her. 41 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,280 She actually physically choked me, 42 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,040 and I honestly believed that she would have shot me and got away with it. 43 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,920 She took everything from me. 44 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:14,520 I felt weak. 45 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:19,560 And I reported this. 46 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,960 The things that I got was, "Men don't get sexually assaulted." 47 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,680 Uh, "You should be glad that she's having sex with you." 48 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,440 I was deployed to Afghanistan in 2008. 49 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,280 I got assigned with the 2506 infantry. 50 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,560 We were on the supplier route and we took fire, 51 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,840 rockets, basically every day. 52 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:49,840 December 15th, 2008 53 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,360 is where I got my traumatic brain injury and received my Purple Heart. 54 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,560 I heard the launch of a rocket. 55 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,440 It actually hit the bunker that we would have been in. 56 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,480 And, and knocked me unconscious. 57 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:15,560 I was shaken up. 58 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,880 I was bleeding from the nose and mouth. 59 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:21,920 I couldn't regain focus. 60 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,480 I wasn't flown out 61 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,040 because they needed everybody there, 62 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,640 but there was reports that I wasn't acting right. 63 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,880 The doctor did a couple MRIs. 64 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,840 She noted in my file that there is substantial damage to my frontal lobe, 65 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,720 and she documented that it was due to the deployments. 66 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,240 There was a connection. 67 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,040 Because all my time in the military trying to talk to somebody, nobody understood me. 68 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,800 I got the feeling that people would think I was crazy. 69 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:19,920 But she didn't 70 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,840 because she shared the same experiences and things in her life, 71 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,640 so I felt a connection. 72 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,080 Inez is being sent to Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri, 73 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,120 and I was retiring and coming home. 74 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,640 I moved up around St. Louis. 75 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,200 And finally me and Inez got married in 2013. 76 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,600 I had problems adjusting to civilian life. 77 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,640 I wasn't really able to keep a job or maintain a job. 78 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,800 And I was still trying to adjust. 79 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,480 I didn't want to admit that I was breaking down. 80 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,280 I don't remember anything from that day. 81 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,840 People that had seen me that day 82 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,720 said that they talked to me, but I wasn't right. 83 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,200 And I had a lack of sleep, lack of meds. 84 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:48,560 Alcohol was involved. 85 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,680 I woke up the next day handcuffed to a bed. 86 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,880 I shot myself under the chin. 87 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,800 It blew my front teeth out. 88 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,160 All that's holding my face together is metal plates. 89 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,000 When they told me 90 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,640 that the person that was gone was Inez... 91 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,320 It devastated me. 92 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,760 Because at first, I was in complete denial. 93 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,640 And I guess, uh, still to this day, 94 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:41,480 I am. 95 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,520 I loved her, 96 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,120 and I wouldn't... 97 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,040 I wouldn't have done it... 98 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,440 without there being other variables. 99 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,120 And I believe 100 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,920 that my combat service and PTSD 101 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,400 was the cause. 102 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,800 I was proud to have served. 103 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,880 I was proud of everything that I have accomplished. 104 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,160 But honestly, because of what happened, 105 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,760 I would not have served one day in the military. 106 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,480 For the past 24 odd years, uh, 107 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,000 I've had experience treating veterans 108 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,040 from a variety of different combat exposures 109 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,880 from Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam. 110 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,280 I wish that this was an isolated case. 111 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,640 Unfortunately, when you look across the United States, 112 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,360 they're happening way more often than they should be. 113 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,720 My name is Dr. Steve Bruce. 114 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,720 In 2016, I was contacted by Toby Gregory's defense attorney 115 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,960 to evaluate Mr. Gregory in jail, 116 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,880 uh, determine whether or not his trauma history 117 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,480 may have become a part of why, uh, his behavior became so erratic 118 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,520 that he ended up shooting his wife that day. 119 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,160 I met with Mr. Gregory, uh, in jail for several hours 120 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,440 in a room with just he and I. No attorneys were present. 121 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,840 Mr. Gregory's medical records were significant 122 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,840 for a trauma history while in the military. 123 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,480 While in combat in Afghanistan, uh, 124 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,200 Mr. Gregory suffered from a traumatic brain injury. 125 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,360 He stated that he started to become more paranoid 126 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,800 such that he thought the soldiers that he was working with 127 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,680 were becoming part of the enemy. 128 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,840 It puts, obviously, them at risk and himself at risk 129 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,880 to the point where his commander noticed that paranoia going on as well. 130 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,120 And they removed him from active deployment 131 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,320 and sent him back home. 132 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,880 When I asked him about the events of the day of the shooting, 133 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,320 he indicated that he had very little memory of the shooting itself. 134 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,760 He did indicate that he had been drinking very, very heavily 135 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,440 prior to seeing his wife and meeting her at the hotel. 136 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,760 The fact that he was intoxicated, 137 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,120 you're usually not going to remember 138 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,840 the events surrounding that particularly well. 139 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,040 With his long history of alcohol abuse 140 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:46,960 in response to the triggers that he's having, 141 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,880 I'm confident that these significant psychological and PTSD symptoms 142 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,400 contributed to him shooting his wife. 143 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,160 If he did not have PTSD, 144 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,480 I'm certain this does not happen. 145 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:33,240 My job is not to excuse or justify the crime that they have committed. 146 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,080 My job starts and ends with the evaluation. 147 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,520 What happens after that is up to the judge, the jury, 148 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,080 to determine the outcome. 149 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,440 I was expecting this case to go to trial. 150 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,000 I was expecting to be cross-examined by the prosecutor. 151 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,360 I was expecting all of that. 152 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,360 So, the fact that a plea agreement was made, uh, was surprising to me, 153 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,640 particularly in a first-degree murder case. 154 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,440 The district attorney really, really, really let us down. 155 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,000 They agreed to a plea deal without letting any of us know. 156 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,240 Why couldn't we have a trial by jury? 157 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:11,040 That would have been the only thing that would have given us some peace. 158 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,560 Though it would've been a tough one, 159 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,880 that's what we were prepared to do 160 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,560 that was justifiable for Inez's murder. 161 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,160 My name is Tonya, and I'm Inez's aunt. 162 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,440 Inez and Toby lived here with me for about three months 163 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,400 while they were searching for a place to live. 164 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,280 They had a... a little baby boy named Blake. 165 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,440 He was adorable. 166 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:07,960 Inez knew that I had concerns. 167 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,280 It was a sad and very controlling relationship. 168 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:17,880 He told her how to dress, how to eat, how to move around. 169 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,080 It worked on her sense of being 170 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,400 until she believed that she wasn't good enough, 171 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,160 and that's how he hurt her. 172 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,960 Toby always threatened to hurt people. 173 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,280 Toby threatened to kill me to my face as well as all of my family. 174 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,600 He told my stepdad and my ex-husband 175 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,720 that he would pick us off one at a time from the road and shoot us. 176 00:22:56,120 --> 00:23:00,920 He didn't like us being involved with her in any form. 177 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,640 He wanted total control. 178 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,200 Inez and I had many conversations. 179 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:15,360 I had encouraged her to try to leave because I was worried for her safety. 180 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,200 She says, "I know, Aunt Tonya, and I'm scared, too." 181 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,960 Inez and Toby had agreed to a divorce 182 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,800 where they shared custody of their child, Blake. 183 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,280 He had to have two weeks with Toby and two weeks with Inez, 184 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:07,760 but it kept being complicated by having a hard time getting Blake back from Toby. 185 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,160 Blake was used as a tool to keep Inez in his life. 186 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,160 Toby was trying to take control and that child away from Inez. 187 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,440 That was his goal. 188 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,400 So she moved back to New Mexico to be around family, 189 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,840 and we convinced her to get legal help. 190 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,600 Inez showing up in court with her own attorney 191 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,360 really angered Mr. Gregory to the point of no return. 192 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:06,840 He was so livid with that because he had lost control. 193 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,920 I shared text messages with Inez the day that she was murdered. 194 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,840 She told me he's gone crazy and that she needed some help. 195 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:26,800 She was afraid. 196 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,560 I don't remember what happened the day of the shooting. 197 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,480 I loved her, 198 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:57,800 and... 199 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,520 I think about the good things. 200 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,200 How much she loved the kids, how great she was. 201 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:13,440 When they told me that the person that was gone was Inez... 202 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,200 ...it devastated me. 203 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,120 Because, at first, I was in complete denial. 204 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,160 And I guess, still to this day, 205 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,920 I am. 206 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,040 I loved her. 207 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,200 Mm... 208 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,040 What a real piece of work. 209 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,880 Wow. 210 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,240 Boy, that angers me. I can hear that slur in his voice. 211 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,800 He is lying through his teeth. 212 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,440 Toby took that life out of anger. He didn't get his way. 213 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,920 He didn't get his way in court, 214 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,320 and he planned it all out, without a doubt. 215 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,520 I did not think they were a good match at all. 216 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,760 I always felt like there was something wrong. 217 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,520 I always felt like I should have probably reached out to her a little bit more. 218 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,640 To find out the end result was awful for me. 219 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,480 My name is Jesse Anderla. 220 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:01,480 I served with Toby Gregory in the Army, uh, in Fort Carson, Colorado 221 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,680 back in 2009 to 2012. 222 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,360 Toby didn't really have, uh, a lot of friends, uh, other than me. 223 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,680 He kept to himself. 224 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,000 You know, I was surprised that he even let me into his life. 225 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,040 We started going, like, fishing every now and again, 226 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,400 or we'd go up into the mountains and shoot guns. 227 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,600 He was always a good guy to me, 228 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,200 and it was nice to have him as a friend. 229 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,440 When I first met Toby, 230 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,920 he told me that he was going through his fourth divorce. 231 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,720 He was in his mid-thirties, 232 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,160 so I was like, "Whoa, like, how in the heck?" 233 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,840 Like, how do you go through four divorces 234 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,720 in, you know, that short amount of time? 235 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,680 He was almost proud of it too. Like, that's the crazy part about it. 236 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,200 Me, Toby, and Inez were all in Afghanistan. 237 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,600 Inez, she was a great soldier. She was happy. 238 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,960 She was a great, great person. 239 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:17,440 Toby had told me that him and Inez were essentially having an affair. 240 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,280 And it was honestly kind of shocking when Toby told me that they got married. 241 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,920 You know, all of a sudden, 242 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,320 she's out of the military, he's out of the military, 243 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,840 they're in Missouri, they're getting married there, 244 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,240 and they had a kid. 245 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,760 I was just like, "Whoa, like, you know, how is this gonna work?" 246 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,640 And I think I was, over the years, his confidant. 247 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,760 I think that I was able to talk him down from a lot of things 248 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,280 and to calm him down and everything else. 249 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,760 If he would have called me and talked to me, 250 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,880 I think that I could have probably prevented this from happening, honestly. 251 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,960 When the forensics evaluation came from St. Louis, 252 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,600 he evaluated me in detail. 253 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,680 In that report, he stated that combat PTSD played a part 254 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,680 in this shooting and the shooting of myself. 255 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,840 I think it was a triggered PTSD response 256 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,320 with the stress, lack of meds. 257 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,840 That is what I feel. 258 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,920 That is what I believe. 259 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,280 It kind of pisses me off, not gonna lie. 260 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,400 It kind of pisses me off that he's saying that 261 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,240 because there's people that literally do have a lot of issues because of PTSD, 262 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,040 and to sit there and blame this on PTSD is wrong. 263 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,720 So, like, with my PTSD, I don't like being in crowds. 264 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,040 I don't... You know, it's... It's scary for me. 265 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,880 My adrenaline goes, and I start sweating, and I'm paranoid. 266 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,360 If I had a gun in that situation, 267 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,120 I'm not gonna pull it out and just start shooting people. 268 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,640 I'm not gonna drive across town 269 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,520 and be like, "I had a trigger. Let me go in and shoot somebody." 270 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,080 PTSD, it doesn't work like that. 271 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,360 Like, nobody... 272 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,840 Nobody has a reaction for that long. 273 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,600 I love the guy, you know? He's my buddy, my friend, right? 274 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,680 But no matter how much I love him, he did this. 275 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,840 He committed a crime. He killed somebody. 276 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,000 To me, it was an open and shut case. 277 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,600 Toby Gregory got in his car angry 278 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,040 and took off headed towards Owensville. 279 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,480 It was first-degree murder. 280 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,120 I had no doubts about that. 281 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,640 My name's Randy Esphorst. 282 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:49,280 I was Gasconade County Sheriff from 2004 through 2016. 283 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,520 When I arrived, I saw somebody being loaded into an ambulance and taken away. 284 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,760 I went down to where the other victim was. 285 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,000 I took the blanket off, and I saw a female. 286 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,560 Laying on her back 287 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,920 with multiple gunshot wounds mostly to the head. 288 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,560 While I was in the parking lot, I happened to look up and I saw a camera. 289 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,040 So I went to the manager's office and asked him, 290 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,600 "Do your surveillance cameras work?" 291 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,480 And he said, "Yes, it does." 292 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,240 It's hard for me to watch because I know what's going to happen. 293 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:12,280 He got out of that car, and there are four other doors before you get to hers. 294 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,960 He just walked past those and went directly to the end room. 295 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,640 We found blood in the room, 296 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,800 so we know that she was shot at least once in there. 297 00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:42,600 But she was still able to walk out of the room, 298 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,000 and... 299 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,040 then she just collapsed onto the ground, 300 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,120 and he just stands over her, and he fires four shots, 301 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,240 and then kicks her in the head. 302 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,280 I mean, this is... rage. 303 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,480 This is just out of control rage. 304 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,560 It's an execution. 305 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,080 I mean, there's no other word for that. 306 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,560 It's an execution. 307 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,280 It should have been first-degree murder, and it should have been life. 308 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,200 Or it should have been the needle in the arm. 309 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,200 It says in the Bible that I'm not supposed to hate anybody. 310 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,520 I have a hard time with that one. 311 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,800 Because I have a lot of hatred and anger inside of me for that person... 312 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,240 ...and I don't like the way it makes me feel. 313 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,720 I'm John Tulk. 314 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:37,800 Inez was my only daughter. 315 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,200 When Inez came to me and told me she was joining the military, 316 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,040 it kind of scared me 317 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,440 because Desert Storm was going on and things like that. 318 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:01,360 But I felt real proud of her because I knew that's what she wanted, 319 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,920 she wanted to serve her country. 320 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,960 And then she met Toby. 321 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,080 Yeah, I told Inez that I didn't trust the guy 322 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,080 and I didn't feel right about the guy. 323 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:22,160 I had bad vibes, which I don't usually have those with very many people, but... 324 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,320 but he gave them to me, 325 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,720 and, uh, she said, "No, it's okay." 326 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,880 So, I said... I told her just to keep her eyes open and be real careful. 327 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,320 He was very insecure and cowardly, 328 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:44,960 and he would threaten people. 329 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,840 Well, not to their face, but behind their back, 330 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,760 saying, I don't know, "I... I can kill anybody." 331 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,160 "I can get away with it because I can claim PTSD." 332 00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:58,160 That was one of his biggest things. 333 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:01,280 Get out of jail free card is what he considered it. 334 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,160 I received a phone call 335 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,360 explaining that they had signed a plea deal, 336 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,160 which really bothered me 337 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:16,000 because this man murdered my daughter in cold blood. 338 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,400 I told the lawyer on the telephone 339 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,320 that he told me how he could kill anybody 340 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,960 and claim PTSD 341 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,000 and he would get away with it. 342 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,440 The lawyer told me, "Oh, I didn't know that." 343 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,640 I said, "Because you never called me." 344 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:36,720 They'd never called me to ask me questions. 345 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,800 Inez was, uh, the most important thing in my life, and... 346 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,520 to know I... 347 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,400 ...can never hold my daughter again 348 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,040 just tears me up. 349 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:05,480 It hurts my heart more than I could ever explain. It's, uh... 350 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,600 I... 351 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,000 I just miss my baby. 352 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,440 Man... 353 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,280 I can understand why people might not believe 354 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,040 that I don't remember anything from that day. 355 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,640 I don't know if I was on autopilot or what was going on or... 356 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,720 what my state of mind was. 357 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,600 And that is something that I'll have to live with for the rest of my life. 358 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,040 Nobody is gonna punish me more than I punish myself. 359 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,160 Um, every day, I'm reminded by the scar on my face 360 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,080 that even though I can't remember the events, 361 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,080 I know what took place. 362 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:36,920 Um, why I'm here. 363 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,920 PTSD, it's more of an immediate thing. So, as soon as... 364 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,720 Like, "Okay, this happened. Now I have this reaction," right? 365 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,480 And then, once you're out of that moment, 366 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,440 it, you know, you start to calm down and your adrenaline starts to drop. 367 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,480 If I had a gun in that situation, 368 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,520 I'm not gonna pull it out and start shooting people. 369 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,080 Like, nobody... Nobody has a reaction for that long. 370 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,560 I'm not gonna lie, it... It hurts. It hurts to hear him say that. 371 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,320 PTSD is not 372 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,200 an instant. 373 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:21,880 PTSD could last for days. 374 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,560 It's about the event that's taken place, uh, where your mind's at. 375 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,880 I don't know what played out from that morning till when this happened. 376 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,520 You can't say, 377 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,440 "Hey, if I had a gun, I'm gonna... I'm not gonna do this." 378 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,320 How do you... How do you know? 379 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,760 Because you've never been in that situation where you had it. 380 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,600 I think I should be released. 381 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,960 I mean, I... I want to be released. Nobody wants to be in prison. 382 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,440 But my intention is not to just... to go back out and try to live my life. 383 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,440 My intention is to go to the VA Hospital. 384 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,840 I know what some people will say. 385 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,960 They will say that, "He shouldn't be out. He should never be out." 386 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,600 Um... 387 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,800 "If he did it once, he's gonna do it again." 388 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,920 But this prison environment is another battlefield. 389 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,600 Treatment for PTSD is non-existent in here. 390 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,240 I can't talk about things that I'd done in combat 391 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,280 because they might take it the wrong way. 392 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,080 I've been told this, that I can't mention none of this, 393 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,280 but this is what I need to talk about. 394 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,680 But if you're released 395 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,480 and you haven't had the treatment that you say you need, 396 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,320 is that not dangerous to let someone like you out? 397 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,440 It's... 398 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,480 It's, um... 399 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,440 I'm not... 400 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,120 I'm not gonna answer that one. 32741

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