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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,876 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 2 00:00:06,946 --> 00:00:08,709 the police who investigate crime 3 00:00:08,779 --> 00:00:11,554 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 4 00:00:11,624 --> 00:00:13,246 These are their stories. 5 00:00:14,358 --> 00:00:15,690 Damn, Mo, hurry your ass up. 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,143 You sure we're not gonna get busted? 7 00:00:17,173 --> 00:00:18,585 Man, stop crying, you sound like a girl. 8 00:00:18,605 --> 00:00:19,607 I ain't no girl. 9 00:00:19,677 --> 00:00:21,420 Well, you ain't no man, you never got no play. 10 00:00:21,450 --> 00:00:22,912 You neither. Did so. 11 00:00:22,982 --> 00:00:25,015 Denise, Marisela, Rashel. 12 00:00:25,156 --> 00:00:26,237 I tapped all them shorties. 13 00:00:26,257 --> 00:00:27,319 Yeah, right! 14 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:30,204 Took them home to show them my nine mil, and yo... 15 00:00:31,606 --> 00:00:32,838 Hold on. 16 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:34,841 Where's the dude? 17 00:00:34,911 --> 00:00:36,684 Hey, yo. Yo, Calvin! 18 00:00:38,327 --> 00:00:39,819 What's that? 19 00:00:42,333 --> 00:00:43,335 Yo. 20 00:00:45,138 --> 00:00:46,910 Hey. You all right? 21 00:00:52,429 --> 00:00:53,691 Yo, what do we do? 22 00:00:55,865 --> 00:00:57,207 Victim got a name yet? 23 00:00:57,277 --> 00:01:00,272 From the vendor's license on the cart, Samuel Register, 68. 24 00:01:00,653 --> 00:01:02,415 Looks like multiple stab wounds to the chest. 25 00:01:03,086 --> 00:01:04,859 He's pretty fresh. 26 00:01:04,929 --> 00:01:07,834 Maybe two hours, around 6:00, 6:30. 27 00:01:08,004 --> 00:01:09,246 How many times he been stabbed? 28 00:01:09,306 --> 00:01:12,642 Nine obvious wounds. Might find more when we get him on the table. 29 00:01:15,587 --> 00:01:17,750 No wallet, no money. Robbery gone bad? 30 00:01:17,830 --> 00:01:20,595 No, if he were stabbed once or twice, that would be a robbery. 31 00:01:20,665 --> 00:01:22,037 Nine times? 32 00:01:22,738 --> 00:01:24,331 That's personal. 33 00:02:13,540 --> 00:02:15,513 Forty-eight years. 34 00:02:17,786 --> 00:02:21,022 And he still called me his beautiful bride. 35 00:02:23,395 --> 00:02:25,769 I know this is hard, Mrs. Register, 36 00:02:27,071 --> 00:02:28,874 but did your husband have any problems? 37 00:02:28,944 --> 00:02:30,847 Maybe he owed somebody? 38 00:02:30,988 --> 00:02:33,111 Sam was a good man. 39 00:02:34,563 --> 00:02:37,057 He didn't drink or... Or gamble. 40 00:02:37,999 --> 00:02:39,631 He helped people. 41 00:02:40,313 --> 00:02:43,287 So you can't think of anyone that would want to hurt him? 42 00:02:43,387 --> 00:02:46,793 There were people who thought maybe Sam was too good. 43 00:02:47,063 --> 00:02:48,726 Which people exactly? 44 00:02:48,796 --> 00:02:50,529 People around here. 45 00:02:52,342 --> 00:02:56,609 "Somebody has to stop them from acting like fools." he'd say. 46 00:02:57,390 --> 00:03:00,084 If he saw a boy with his pants hanging low, 47 00:03:00,395 --> 00:03:03,269 he'd tell the boy to pull his damn pants up. 48 00:03:03,339 --> 00:03:06,034 If he saw them breaking windows, breaking the law, 49 00:03:06,104 --> 00:03:07,907 he would call the police! 50 00:03:08,077 --> 00:03:09,239 Do you have any names? 51 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:10,391 I mean, any of those people 52 00:03:10,421 --> 00:03:12,003 that may have had a grudge against your husband? 53 00:03:12,023 --> 00:03:13,896 Their names are all made-up anyhow. 54 00:03:14,397 --> 00:03:18,233 Just walk around the block and take your pick! 55 00:03:20,878 --> 00:03:22,210 Excuse me. 56 00:03:23,792 --> 00:03:24,984 Fontana. 57 00:03:26,997 --> 00:03:28,901 Okay, we're on our way. 58 00:03:29,572 --> 00:03:32,546 Ah, well, thank you for your time, Mrs. Register. 59 00:03:32,606 --> 00:03:34,580 We'll be in contact, all right? 60 00:03:39,698 --> 00:03:42,192 A black girl. I was out here when she ran past. 61 00:03:42,432 --> 00:03:43,514 She had blood on her shirt. 62 00:03:43,544 --> 00:03:44,636 What time was this? 63 00:03:44,706 --> 00:03:46,980 Mmm, about 6:45. Okay? 64 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,632 No, no, no, it's not okay, wait a minute. 65 00:03:48,652 --> 00:03:50,385 We got some questions about this girl. 66 00:03:50,455 --> 00:03:52,989 Have you ever seen her around here before? 67 00:03:53,931 --> 00:03:57,106 I don't remember. We got a lot of customers in here. 68 00:03:57,176 --> 00:04:00,241 All right, how about we just stand out here until you do remember? 69 00:04:01,583 --> 00:04:02,885 What if she has friends? 70 00:04:03,025 --> 00:04:05,509 What if they come and smash up my store? Will you be here then? 71 00:04:05,529 --> 00:04:06,902 We'll order extra patrols for you, 72 00:04:06,972 --> 00:04:08,684 we'll have our people keep an eye out for you. 73 00:04:08,704 --> 00:04:10,177 Now come on! 74 00:04:17,859 --> 00:04:19,061 She has been here before. 75 00:04:19,161 --> 00:04:21,325 I had to run her off for shoplifting a couple of times. 76 00:04:21,475 --> 00:04:22,567 Do you know her name? 77 00:04:22,637 --> 00:04:24,840 Oh, she has a baby, a little girl. 78 00:04:24,910 --> 00:04:27,855 She came in once or twice with Lillie Sands. 79 00:04:29,157 --> 00:04:31,962 A regular customer. Please don't tell her we sent you. 80 00:04:32,202 --> 00:04:34,796 It sounds like Traci, my granddaughter. 81 00:04:35,337 --> 00:04:36,469 What did she do now? 82 00:04:36,539 --> 00:04:38,242 Has she been in trouble before? 83 00:04:38,312 --> 00:04:40,485 Since she learned how to walk. 84 00:04:40,926 --> 00:04:43,590 She was living here after she had her baby. 85 00:04:43,861 --> 00:04:45,263 But not anymore. 86 00:04:45,564 --> 00:04:47,336 I don't allow drugs in my house. 87 00:04:47,737 --> 00:04:48,829 Is that Traci's kid? 88 00:04:48,909 --> 00:04:51,443 No, this is my other great-grandbaby. 89 00:04:52,485 --> 00:04:55,950 And this beautiful little boy here came from my niece. 90 00:04:56,631 --> 00:04:58,294 They both live here with you? 91 00:05:00,508 --> 00:05:01,770 Young women in my family 92 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:04,374 have made babies they can't care for. 93 00:05:04,855 --> 00:05:07,789 Some for drugs, one was sent to Iraq. 94 00:05:08,731 --> 00:05:10,524 So they give them to me 95 00:05:10,604 --> 00:05:12,327 because they know I'll raise them properly. 96 00:05:12,807 --> 00:05:14,710 But Traci's child is still with her. 97 00:05:14,780 --> 00:05:16,613 I wanted to care for Kesha. 98 00:05:16,744 --> 00:05:17,916 Traci wouldn't allow it. 99 00:05:18,386 --> 00:05:19,498 Do you know where she lives? 100 00:05:19,518 --> 00:05:21,121 We need to ask her a couple questions. 101 00:05:21,361 --> 00:05:24,566 I don't care how handsome you think you are, young man, don't lie to me. 102 00:05:24,666 --> 00:05:26,039 I know how this goes. 103 00:05:26,469 --> 00:05:28,813 I mean you no disrespect, ma'am, uh, 104 00:05:29,284 --> 00:05:32,018 but we do need to find Traci. It's important. 105 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,384 She's with her dope addict mother. 106 00:05:35,634 --> 00:05:38,228 Jefferson Gardens, tower six, first floor. 107 00:05:42,044 --> 00:05:44,518 Althea Sands, the mother of Traci Sands? 108 00:05:44,688 --> 00:05:46,211 I don't have no money for no bail. 109 00:05:46,291 --> 00:05:47,944 Y our daughter hasn't been arrested, ma' am, we 'gust want... 110 00:05:47,964 --> 00:05:49,266 Well, she ain't here. 111 00:05:49,336 --> 00:05:51,770 Please, ma'am, you don't wanna do that. 112 00:05:53,943 --> 00:05:55,035 What's this about? 113 00:05:55,115 --> 00:05:56,517 We're just looking for Traci. 114 00:05:56,588 --> 00:05:58,851 You can look all you want, but she ain't here. 115 00:05:58,921 --> 00:06:00,484 Well, do you know where we can find her? 116 00:06:00,534 --> 00:06:01,536 Who knows? 117 00:06:02,096 --> 00:06:03,799 When do you expect to see her next? 118 00:06:03,969 --> 00:06:06,373 She ain't been around since your people took the baby. 119 00:06:06,443 --> 00:06:07,776 She just up and left. 120 00:06:08,086 --> 00:06:09,989 Wait, Child Services took the baby, Kesha? 121 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,293 Yeah, two weeks ago. 122 00:06:13,094 --> 00:06:16,870 That little girl's welfare was supposed to pay the damn bills. 123 00:06:19,144 --> 00:06:20,736 You need a license to drive a car, 124 00:06:20,816 --> 00:06:22,129 but they'll let anybody have kids. 125 00:06:22,149 --> 00:06:23,621 Yeah, you gotta be 17 for the car. 126 00:06:23,691 --> 00:06:25,053 You know what? Let's go to ACS, 127 00:06:25,123 --> 00:06:26,305 find out what's going on with Kesha. 128 00:06:26,325 --> 00:06:28,198 And her loving mother. 129 00:06:28,799 --> 00:06:32,575 Traci Sands. One of the kids I was trying to protect 130 00:06:32,645 --> 00:06:35,180 until she became one of the parents I had to investigate. 131 00:06:35,250 --> 00:06:36,622 Traci was abused? 132 00:06:36,692 --> 00:06:38,685 Physically, emotionally, sexually... 133 00:06:38,765 --> 00:06:40,728 So, what happened with Kesha? 134 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,431 Two years of complaints from neighbors. 135 00:06:42,501 --> 00:06:43,603 Such as? 136 00:06:43,673 --> 00:06:45,907 Slapping the baby, slamming her into a wall, 137 00:06:46,017 --> 00:06:48,421 cuts and bruises on her arms, face and legs. 138 00:06:48,491 --> 00:06:52,297 We finally get a court order to remove Kesha, when this happens. 139 00:06:52,367 --> 00:06:53,799 Oh, boy. 140 00:06:53,940 --> 00:06:55,332 Our witness heard screams, 141 00:06:55,402 --> 00:06:59,108 looked in the window and saw Traci pouring boiling water on her. 142 00:06:59,318 --> 00:07:01,382 Apparently, she was crying too much. 143 00:07:01,722 --> 00:07:02,984 Look at the witness. 144 00:07:03,495 --> 00:07:04,787 Sam Register. 145 00:07:04,867 --> 00:07:06,830 Nice guy. I'm sure he'd be willing to... 146 00:07:07,101 --> 00:07:08,433 He's dead. 147 00:07:09,274 --> 00:07:10,687 Look, Traci wasn't at her mother's house, 148 00:07:10,717 --> 00:07:11,788 she wasn't at her grandmother's. 149 00:07:11,818 --> 00:07:13,331 You have any idea where we can find her? 150 00:07:13,351 --> 00:07:16,486 She was with her boyfriend when we served her a court order. 151 00:07:16,596 --> 00:07:18,459 Thug wannabe named Paz. 152 00:07:18,729 --> 00:07:20,062 He's got a record. 153 00:07:21,704 --> 00:07:24,739 Police! Police! On the floor! On the floor! 154 00:07:24,819 --> 00:07:26,582 Yo, yo, yo! Come on! On the floor! 155 00:07:26,652 --> 00:07:29,356 Stop! No! 156 00:07:30,198 --> 00:07:32,431 Stop! Kick his ass! Kick his ass! 157 00:07:32,502 --> 00:07:33,874 Shut up! Get off me! 158 00:07:34,044 --> 00:07:37,139 Stop! Get off me. I'm gonna kill you! 159 00:07:37,209 --> 00:07:38,551 - Get your ass up! - Get off me! 160 00:07:38,621 --> 00:07:39,964 We're taking you down, too. I'm gonna kill you! 161 00:07:39,984 --> 00:07:42,187 Get up, get up! Get up! Get off me! 162 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,906 Hey, yo! I need some water, please! 163 00:07:49,208 --> 00:07:52,554 Yo, police! On the other side of that glass! 164 00:07:52,854 --> 00:07:54,727 Possession collar at age nine. 165 00:07:54,797 --> 00:07:57,201 Theft at 10, intent to distribute, 166 00:07:57,261 --> 00:07:59,325 four assault charges, shoplifting. 167 00:07:59,405 --> 00:08:00,847 Doesn't leave much time for homework, 168 00:08:00,877 --> 00:08:03,311 but that doesn't prove she's the killer. 169 00:08:03,912 --> 00:08:07,217 She had bloody clothes at Paz's apartment. They're at the crime lab. 170 00:08:07,898 --> 00:08:09,621 Will you look at this, huh? 171 00:08:09,801 --> 00:08:10,923 Tailor-made. 172 00:08:11,003 --> 00:08:12,406 I expect to be reimbursed. 173 00:08:13,477 --> 00:08:15,100 One pissed off little girl. 174 00:08:15,180 --> 00:08:16,702 She's a 'Mead up crack head. 175 00:08:18,185 --> 00:08:21,390 You go call your tailor, and I'll take the interview. 176 00:08:21,801 --> 00:08:24,896 Hey! You guys just gonna leave me here all night? 177 00:08:25,136 --> 00:08:26,839 I need some water! 178 00:08:27,550 --> 00:08:29,173 I'm dying in here! 179 00:08:34,301 --> 00:08:36,324 Here's the problem, Traci. 180 00:08:37,876 --> 00:08:40,571 We've got a witness who puts you at the scene. 181 00:08:40,681 --> 00:08:43,656 We found the victim's wallet in your boyfriend's place. 182 00:08:45,158 --> 00:08:46,590 Then why aren't you sweating him? 183 00:08:46,691 --> 00:08:49,325 Because we found blood on your clothes. 184 00:08:50,336 --> 00:08:52,440 First of the month, welfare day, 185 00:08:52,510 --> 00:08:53,942 but you didn't get a check, did you? 186 00:08:54,012 --> 00:08:56,146 All because Sam the donut man 187 00:08:56,216 --> 00:08:57,548 called Child Services after you. 188 00:08:57,628 --> 00:08:59,591 So? I don't need that check. 189 00:08:59,932 --> 00:09:01,665 And I can always have another baby. 190 00:09:04,609 --> 00:09:07,945 You know, the blood on your clothes was a type match to the victim, 191 00:09:08,015 --> 00:09:09,547 so I figure 192 00:09:11,961 --> 00:09:16,298 you got about a minute to convince me you're worth the help, 193 00:09:16,969 --> 00:09:20,886 or I'm gonna send your baby-making behind to Sing Sing for life. 194 00:09:23,019 --> 00:09:24,752 I ain't afraid of you. 195 00:09:26,464 --> 00:09:27,526 No? 196 00:09:29,409 --> 00:09:30,902 You should be. 197 00:09:37,733 --> 00:09:40,968 Abuse your own blood, an innocent little girl. 198 00:09:41,308 --> 00:09:44,303 Shut up! And then when someone finally stops you, 199 00:09:44,383 --> 00:09:46,396 you kill him. Ls that what you want the jury to hear? 200 00:09:46,417 --> 00:09:48,119 That old rat had it coming! 201 00:09:55,141 --> 00:09:57,044 But I didn't touch him. 202 00:10:00,419 --> 00:10:01,451 Mmm. 203 00:10:02,963 --> 00:10:04,155 Pitiful. 204 00:10:05,768 --> 00:10:08,001 L think it's time you made a statement. 205 00:10:09,914 --> 00:10:11,507 Get me a lawyer. 206 00:10:15,093 --> 00:10:17,156 DNA confirms the blood match. 207 00:10:17,226 --> 00:10:19,069 Traci Sands is definitely our girl. 208 00:10:19,139 --> 00:10:20,972 I'll try her as an adult, she'll get 25 years. 209 00:10:21,042 --> 00:10:23,015 And come out worse than she is now. 210 00:10:23,075 --> 00:10:25,710 She blew her last chance when she murdered Sam Register. 211 00:10:29,666 --> 00:10:30,788 Van Buren. 212 00:10:31,339 --> 00:10:33,432 Yes, we were just discussing... 213 00:10:33,502 --> 00:10:34,564 What? 214 00:10:35,776 --> 00:10:37,549 How did this happen? 215 00:10:38,490 --> 00:10:40,784 Well, find out and call me back. 216 00:10:43,869 --> 00:10:45,632 Nobody touched her. I swear. 217 00:10:45,702 --> 00:10:46,854 She say anything about being sick? 218 00:10:46,874 --> 00:10:48,867 She just complained a lot, about everything. 219 00:10:48,947 --> 00:10:50,610 I thought she was faking, 220 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:53,124 but then she wouldn't get up this morning. 221 00:11:05,253 --> 00:11:08,028 Then you figured out she wasn't faking it. 222 00:11:11,303 --> 00:11:13,637 All we have at this time is the initial report. 223 00:11:13,707 --> 00:11:15,479 Some form of anemia. 224 00:11:16,451 --> 00:11:18,424 Yes, natural causes. 225 00:11:19,356 --> 00:11:23,272 Well, as soon as we know more, DCPI will be issuing a statement. 226 00:11:24,003 --> 00:11:25,496 Yeah, all right. 227 00:11:26,006 --> 00:11:27,809 LA's already opened a case. 228 00:11:27,879 --> 00:11:29,322 They wanna talk to everyone. 229 00:11:29,382 --> 00:11:31,165 Oh, man, she was fine when we dropped her off. 230 00:11:31,185 --> 00:11:32,937 She asked for a glass of water, and we're supposed 231 00:11:32,958 --> 00:11:34,800 to recognize that as death throes? 232 00:11:34,871 --> 00:11:36,663 Just be ready for the questions. 233 00:11:36,934 --> 00:11:37,936 So, what's up? 234 00:11:38,246 --> 00:11:40,450 Oh, the M.E.'s ready for us. She wants you to come, too. 235 00:11:41,081 --> 00:11:42,142 Why? 236 00:11:43,384 --> 00:11:45,157 I'm ruling her death a possible homicide. 237 00:11:45,227 --> 00:11:46,720 Based on what? 238 00:11:46,900 --> 00:11:48,022 Okay. 239 00:11:49,133 --> 00:11:53,080 Immediate cause of death was severe hemolytic anemia. 240 00:11:53,380 --> 00:11:56,255 Genetic testing showed she had a sickle syndrome disease. 241 00:11:56,325 --> 00:11:57,657 As in sickle cell anemia? 242 00:11:57,727 --> 00:12:00,251 Sickle syndrome. It's related, but less serious. 243 00:12:00,331 --> 00:12:01,463 Almost never fatal. 244 00:12:01,533 --> 00:12:03,006 Either way, it's a disease. 245 00:12:03,076 --> 00:12:06,241 Mmm-hmm. Autopsy revealed heavy scarring in her uterus. 246 00:12:08,725 --> 00:12:10,087 And this. 247 00:12:10,328 --> 00:12:11,419 An IUD. 248 00:12:12,201 --> 00:12:13,362 She was on birth control. 249 00:12:13,432 --> 00:12:15,566 This isn't your average IUD. 250 00:12:15,876 --> 00:12:18,070 These pockets were designed to carry a drug, 251 00:12:18,781 --> 00:12:21,756 something called benecrine, which popped up on her tox screen. 252 00:12:22,126 --> 00:12:24,320 PDR lists it as a cheap anti-malarial, 253 00:12:24,630 --> 00:12:28,627 but in developing countries, benecrine is also used as a sterility drug 254 00:12:28,707 --> 00:12:30,139 delivered by IUD. 255 00:12:30,580 --> 00:12:31,702 Somebody sterilized her. 256 00:12:31,782 --> 00:12:34,016 And benecrine causes anemia. 257 00:12:35,258 --> 00:12:37,321 You give it to someone with sickle syndrome... 258 00:12:37,391 --> 00:12:38,994 And it's lethal. 259 00:12:40,406 --> 00:12:42,569 Whoever sterilized Traci Sands caused her death. 260 00:12:44,442 --> 00:12:47,247 Let's find out who took care of Traci's medical needs. 261 00:12:51,664 --> 00:12:54,228 I always feared she'd be dead before 20. 262 00:12:54,939 --> 00:12:57,503 I just didn't think it would happen like this. 263 00:12:57,583 --> 00:13:00,147 Has she had any medical procedures lately? 264 00:13:00,458 --> 00:13:01,620 Not that I know of. 265 00:13:01,730 --> 00:13:03,633 Anything gynecological maybe? 266 00:13:03,693 --> 00:13:05,356 Not since she had her baby. 267 00:13:05,506 --> 00:13:07,840 Do you know where she received her medical help? 268 00:13:08,070 --> 00:13:10,444 Everyone in the family goes to Operation Remedy. 269 00:13:10,544 --> 00:13:12,147 That's the free clinic on Third, right? 270 00:13:12,217 --> 00:13:14,050 Yeah. Good people. 271 00:13:14,491 --> 00:13:16,053 Thank you, ma'am. 272 00:13:16,564 --> 00:13:18,367 Talk to anyone around here, 273 00:13:18,437 --> 00:13:20,630 chances are they'll tell you the same thing. 274 00:13:20,871 --> 00:13:23,475 This place, Nurse G, saved their life. 275 00:13:23,846 --> 00:13:26,019 She got me the right meds for my diabetes, 276 00:13:26,189 --> 00:13:28,162 gave me training, a job. 277 00:13:28,433 --> 00:13:29,555 Nurse G? 278 00:13:29,635 --> 00:13:31,328 Nurse Gloria Rhodes. 279 00:13:31,568 --> 00:13:33,371 She built this clinic up from nothing. 280 00:13:33,511 --> 00:13:35,634 So she would have treated Traci Sands? 281 00:13:35,745 --> 00:13:38,279 Yes, I always took care of Traci. 282 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,834 Gloria Rhodes. You're with the police? 283 00:13:41,894 --> 00:13:43,487 Ah, yes, ma'am, we are. 284 00:13:43,567 --> 00:13:44,939 Have you got a minute? 285 00:13:45,009 --> 00:13:46,101 Sure. 286 00:13:46,712 --> 00:13:49,006 A lot of confused, lost girls come through here. 287 00:13:49,216 --> 00:13:50,849 Traci needed more help than most. 288 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:52,051 What kind of help? Medical? 289 00:13:52,121 --> 00:13:54,996 Emotional, psychological, you name it. 290 00:13:55,336 --> 00:13:57,239 She was a troubled, angry kid 291 00:13:57,299 --> 00:13:59,242 with a terrible drug problem. 292 00:13:59,974 --> 00:14:02,377 Have you been able to find out why this happened? 293 00:14:02,447 --> 00:14:04,050 The paper just said anemia. 294 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,225 Well, the medical examiner's still working on all that. 295 00:14:07,596 --> 00:14:09,118 When was the last time you treated her? 296 00:14:09,699 --> 00:14:11,762 About six months ago. 297 00:14:12,013 --> 00:14:13,946 You mind if we ask what for? 298 00:14:15,518 --> 00:14:18,613 I don't suppose confidentiality applies anymore. 299 00:14:18,694 --> 00:14:19,926 Traci had gonorrhea. 300 00:14:20,496 --> 00:14:21,758 Did you refer her to a doctor? 301 00:14:21,839 --> 00:14:24,333 I prescribed some antibiotics for her. 302 00:14:24,573 --> 00:14:26,566 I'm a nurse practitioner, Detective. 303 00:14:26,947 --> 00:14:29,281 You ever prescribe a benecrine IUD? 304 00:14:29,591 --> 00:14:31,214 For sterilization? 305 00:14:31,494 --> 00:14:32,556 Those are used overseas. 306 00:14:32,626 --> 00:14:34,860 We don't do that here. It's not FDA approved. 307 00:14:35,070 --> 00:14:37,003 Your clinic performs sterilizations though? 308 00:14:37,073 --> 00:14:38,565 We provide birth control. 309 00:14:38,776 --> 00:14:40,909 Depo, Norplant, the pill. 310 00:14:41,721 --> 00:14:44,425 And yes, we provide referrals for surgery. 311 00:14:44,525 --> 00:14:45,757 Tubal ligation. 312 00:14:45,827 --> 00:14:47,530 Are you an advocate for sterilization? 313 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:50,144 I'm an advocate for giving young women a choice. 314 00:14:50,745 --> 00:14:53,239 A chance to improve their circumstances, 315 00:14:53,449 --> 00:14:55,352 to break the cycle of waste. 316 00:14:55,493 --> 00:14:56,955 That's ayes? 317 00:14:57,025 --> 00:15:00,260 It's far more complicated than just a yes or no, Detective. 318 00:15:00,601 --> 00:15:04,377 These young women have such hard lives, such limited choices. 319 00:15:05,078 --> 00:15:08,243 To add children into the equation makes no sense. 320 00:15:09,195 --> 00:15:12,029 So if they ask for help, I offer it. 321 00:15:13,932 --> 00:15:16,997 But why would she risk using an illegal drug when she can offer 322 00:15:17,107 --> 00:15:19,141 a legal procedure to anybody who wants it? 323 00:15:19,251 --> 00:15:21,915 Well, maybe Traci didn't want it. 324 00:15:22,095 --> 00:15:23,618 Forgive me for asking, Lieutenant, 325 00:15:23,698 --> 00:15:25,821 but how does the nurse put this thing in Traci 326 00:15:25,901 --> 00:15:27,534 without Traci noticing it? 327 00:15:27,734 --> 00:15:29,868 Well, she's 16, maybe she thought 328 00:15:29,948 --> 00:15:31,781 she was going for a routine exam, 329 00:15:31,851 --> 00:15:34,615 and if that's the case, this nurse is guilty of a hell of a lot more 330 00:15:34,686 --> 00:15:36,318 than an illegal medical procedure. 331 00:15:36,398 --> 00:15:37,420 Hey, I got something. 332 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:39,113 This is from the Operation Remedy website, 333 00:15:39,133 --> 00:15:42,478 they get major contributions from the Center for Population and Hygiene. 334 00:15:42,578 --> 00:15:44,171 Which is? It's a medical charity. 335 00:15:44,251 --> 00:15:46,384 Read this interview by Dr. Milton Thorst. 336 00:15:46,525 --> 00:15:50,020 "Fertility control is essential to our national security." 337 00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:52,434 "Without it, America will soon be overwhelmed" 338 00:15:52,504 --> 00:15:56,310 "by a flood of immigrants and immigrant offspring," 339 00:15:56,651 --> 00:15:58,273 "causing chaos and anarchy." 340 00:15:58,354 --> 00:16:00,918 Yeah, somebody needs some diversity training, don't you think? 341 00:16:01,058 --> 00:16:04,794 We tracked a serial number on the IUD to a medical supplier in Trenton. 342 00:16:06,106 --> 00:16:08,239 Why don't you guys get on that? 343 00:16:12,957 --> 00:16:16,192 Popular model. I ship thousands of these to Asia every month. 344 00:16:16,302 --> 00:16:17,354 For use with benecrine? 345 00:16:17,434 --> 00:16:19,497 No clue. I just ship the lUDs. 346 00:16:19,578 --> 00:16:21,701 You know anything about this drug, benecrine? 347 00:16:21,811 --> 00:16:25,116 I know baseball, beer and lUDs, buddy, that's it. 348 00:16:25,387 --> 00:16:26,549 Here. 349 00:16:27,831 --> 00:16:33,109 The lot with that serial number shipped to a charity in Manhattan, 350 00:16:33,810 --> 00:16:36,685 Center for Population and Hygiene. Yeah. 351 00:16:38,288 --> 00:16:41,092 We support 25 free clinics in nine states. 352 00:16:41,333 --> 00:16:44,067 Operation Remedy is one of our greatest success stories. 353 00:16:44,137 --> 00:16:46,401 For advancing the cause of sterilization? 354 00:16:46,541 --> 00:16:49,776 Dr. Thorst's comments are sometimes taken out of context. 355 00:16:49,916 --> 00:16:53,121 The only cause we advance is providing safe, free medical care 356 00:16:53,192 --> 00:16:54,794 to those who need it most. 357 00:16:55,065 --> 00:16:56,627 Excuse me, where is this? 358 00:16:56,837 --> 00:16:57,929 Vietnam. 359 00:16:58,009 --> 00:17:00,413 In addition to our work here, we sponsor teams 360 00:17:00,483 --> 00:17:02,677 in the poorest areas of developing countries, 361 00:17:02,817 --> 00:17:04,480 providing essential health services. 362 00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:05,682 Such as? 363 00:17:05,762 --> 00:17:08,737 Uh, vaccinations, basic medicine, dental care. 364 00:17:08,867 --> 00:17:10,169 Fertility control? 365 00:17:10,239 --> 00:17:12,302 Contraception and sterilization. 366 00:17:12,483 --> 00:17:14,716 Number one request from our female patients. 367 00:17:15,588 --> 00:17:16,850 Do you use benecrine? 368 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,884 Benecrine is a single procedure, no surgery. 369 00:17:19,965 --> 00:17:21,227 Complications are rare. 370 00:17:21,297 --> 00:17:22,829 And it's cheap. 371 00:17:22,939 --> 00:17:24,532 About one dollar per patient. 372 00:17:24,812 --> 00:17:27,176 That ought to help stop the flood of immigrants. 373 00:17:27,717 --> 00:17:31,994 Detective, the maternal mortality rate in these countries is staggering. 374 00:17:32,394 --> 00:17:35,199 600,000 women die every year. 375 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,134 For them, birth control is life-saving. 376 00:17:39,346 --> 00:17:41,449 Do you know a nurse named Gloria Rhodes? 377 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:42,851 Of course. 378 00:17:43,823 --> 00:17:46,697 Every year she does a two-week mission with Population Hygiene. 379 00:17:46,768 --> 00:17:48,500 Doing benecrine sterilizations? 380 00:17:48,570 --> 00:17:49,652 They don't admit it, but... 381 00:17:49,672 --> 00:17:52,907 Traci's IUD came from a lot used in Cambodia last year, 382 00:17:52,988 --> 00:17:55,281 where Rhodes was "serving the disadvantaged". 383 00:17:55,391 --> 00:17:57,194 Well, looks like she brought home a souvenir. 384 00:17:57,264 --> 00:17:58,887 My guess would be more than one. 385 00:17:59,067 --> 00:18:00,660 Get her in here. 386 00:18:02,513 --> 00:18:05,247 I'm sorry, Detectives, but I'm afraid you're confused. 387 00:18:05,317 --> 00:18:07,120 Oh, you think so? 388 00:18:07,351 --> 00:18:09,694 I told you before, I haven't treated Traci in six months. 389 00:18:09,764 --> 00:18:11,287 You can check my records at the clinic. 390 00:18:11,397 --> 00:18:12,960 We did better than that. 391 00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:15,333 We checked Traci's belongings. 392 00:18:15,444 --> 00:18:16,746 Antibiotics. 393 00:18:16,816 --> 00:18:19,580 We're guessing that Traci had gonorrhea again. 394 00:18:19,650 --> 00:18:22,525 These were prescribed by you, Miss Rhodes, 10 days before her death. 395 00:18:22,725 --> 00:18:24,598 Which means that you just lied to us. 396 00:18:24,668 --> 00:18:27,363 My prescription pad went missing. Traci must have stolen it. 397 00:18:27,473 --> 00:18:29,847 Yeah. We stopped by her pharmacy. 398 00:18:31,219 --> 00:18:32,811 Now that's not her handwriting, is it? 399 00:18:32,892 --> 00:18:36,087 Oh, come on, you tried to help Traci and she died. 400 00:18:36,167 --> 00:18:38,100 It's as simple as that, isn't it? 401 00:18:38,170 --> 00:18:39,312 Now this is pretty much over, 402 00:18:39,342 --> 00:18:41,175 you better tell us your side of the story. 403 00:18:42,848 --> 00:18:45,081 L think I'd like to call my lawyer. 404 00:18:46,854 --> 00:18:49,538 From a legal standpoint, I don't think we have enough to charge her. 405 00:18:49,769 --> 00:18:50,860 Excuse me? 406 00:18:50,931 --> 00:18:52,984 Without proof she knew about Traci's sickle syndrome, 407 00:18:53,004 --> 00:18:55,738 it's malpractice, but I'm not sure there's a criminal case. 408 00:18:56,179 --> 00:18:59,785 She burned and scarred the uterus of a young girl 409 00:18:59,855 --> 00:19:02,159 with a drug that caused her death. 410 00:19:06,806 --> 00:19:08,178 Arrest her. 411 00:19:08,248 --> 00:19:09,611 We'll find the right charge. 412 00:19:14,158 --> 00:19:15,720 Gloria Rhodes, you're under arrest 413 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,234 in connection with the death of Traci Sands. 414 00:19:18,335 --> 00:19:20,107 You have the right to remain silent. 415 00:19:20,178 --> 00:19:22,311 Anything you do say can and will be used 416 00:19:22,381 --> 00:19:24,014 against you in a court of law. 417 00:19:24,084 --> 00:19:26,057 You have the right to an attorney... 418 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,563 Ms. Borgia? 419 00:19:29,633 --> 00:19:30,865 Paul Robinette. 420 00:19:30,935 --> 00:19:32,808 Ah, I hear you used to have my office. 421 00:19:32,878 --> 00:19:34,400 You were probably still in high school. 422 00:19:35,212 --> 00:19:36,444 Tell Jack McCoy hello for me. 423 00:19:36,524 --> 00:19:37,525 I will. 424 00:19:37,585 --> 00:19:39,148 Docket number 41899. 425 00:19:39,228 --> 00:19:42,563 People v. Gloria Rhodes. On the charge of manslaughter, second degree. 426 00:19:42,634 --> 00:19:43,866 How do you plead, Ms. Rhodes? 427 00:19:43,936 --> 00:19:45,418 We shouldn't even be here, Your Honor. 428 00:19:45,478 --> 00:19:47,411 My client performed a simple medical procedure 429 00:19:47,481 --> 00:19:49,384 with regrettable complications. 430 00:19:49,655 --> 00:19:51,017 Mr. Robinette. 431 00:19:51,087 --> 00:19:52,389 Not guilty, Your Honor. 432 00:19:52,459 --> 00:19:53,461 Bail, Ms. Borgia? 433 00:19:53,531 --> 00:19:55,194 The People request remand, Your Honor. 434 00:19:55,264 --> 00:19:57,828 The Defendant travels extensively outside the country, 435 00:19:57,908 --> 00:20:00,112 and she has wealthy contacts who might help her flee. 436 00:20:00,182 --> 00:20:03,387 My client is a trusted professional and lifelong resident of New York. 437 00:20:03,457 --> 00:20:07,233 Who sterilized a 16-year-old girl with an unapproved procedure. 438 00:20:07,303 --> 00:20:09,827 All right, the press has heard you both. 439 00:20:09,907 --> 00:20:11,600 Bail is set at 200,000, 440 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,814 and Ms. Rhodes will surrender her passport. 441 00:20:15,116 --> 00:20:17,249 A white nurse used a forbidden drug 442 00:20:17,329 --> 00:20:18,952 to sterilize a poor black girl 443 00:20:19,032 --> 00:20:22,097 who happened to have sickle syndrome, and the young lady died. 444 00:20:22,167 --> 00:20:23,569 Am I missing anything here? 445 00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:25,603 That's pretty much it. 446 00:20:25,683 --> 00:20:27,656 Except that the girl who died 447 00:20:27,916 --> 00:20:30,320 was the primary suspect in a murder investigation, 448 00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:32,023 had a rap sheet from here to Hartford, 449 00:20:32,093 --> 00:20:34,126 and recently had her child taken away 450 00:20:34,737 --> 00:20:36,730 because she threw a pot of boiling water on her. 451 00:20:37,812 --> 00:20:40,256 And we're charging this nurse with second degree manslaughter. 452 00:20:40,316 --> 00:20:42,880 Recklessly causing the death of another. It's not a slam dunk, 453 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,055 but if we can prove that she knew about the sickle syndrome 454 00:20:46,166 --> 00:20:49,401 and the potential lethal interaction with benecrine, we'll be okay. 455 00:20:49,481 --> 00:20:50,533 Lot of ifs. 456 00:20:50,613 --> 00:20:52,245 We could charge something less. 457 00:20:52,315 --> 00:20:54,118 Reckless endangerment. 458 00:20:55,821 --> 00:20:58,796 Illegal sterilization, white nurse, black girl. 459 00:20:59,096 --> 00:21:00,969 Lot of reasons not to go soft. 460 00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:02,672 Stick with manslaughter. 461 00:21:02,782 --> 00:21:06,047 And find somebody who can tell you what Rhodes knew. 462 00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:09,092 Nurse G is a good person. 463 00:21:09,192 --> 00:21:10,645 You don't know what it's like down there, 464 00:21:10,665 --> 00:21:12,297 you don't see what she deals with. 465 00:21:12,368 --> 00:21:14,311 You mean like Traci scalding her daughter? 466 00:21:14,371 --> 00:21:15,863 Yeah, stuff like that. 467 00:21:16,845 --> 00:21:20,080 So, sterilizing her, you think Nurse G did the right thing? 468 00:21:23,135 --> 00:21:25,599 Did Nurse G know about Traci's sickle syndrome? 469 00:21:25,869 --> 00:21:26,931 I don't know. 470 00:21:27,011 --> 00:21:29,375 You don't recall her asking? No. 471 00:21:31,088 --> 00:21:33,111 Did Traci ask to be sterilized? 472 00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:40,643 I checked your rap sheet, Savannah. 473 00:21:40,713 --> 00:21:41,945 You're still on probation. 474 00:21:42,216 --> 00:21:45,120 I know. But I'm clean now. 475 00:21:45,351 --> 00:21:47,324 If you're lying to me, I'll have to file charges, 476 00:21:47,394 --> 00:21:49,768 meaning your probation will be revoked immediately. 477 00:21:50,369 --> 00:21:52,031 You'd do that? Yeah. 478 00:21:52,272 --> 00:21:54,545 So please, just tell me what you know. 479 00:22:00,264 --> 00:22:02,097 Traci wasn't the first. 480 00:22:04,401 --> 00:22:07,746 The assistant claims Nurse Rhodes performed the same procedure 481 00:22:07,817 --> 00:22:09,609 on several other girls. 482 00:22:09,950 --> 00:22:11,152 Any of them die? 483 00:22:11,222 --> 00:22:13,315 No, but some had serious complications. 484 00:22:13,426 --> 00:22:15,900 Headaches, excessive bleeding. 485 00:22:15,970 --> 00:22:17,943 Rhodes blamed them on yeast infections, 486 00:22:18,003 --> 00:22:19,846 but the symptoms are consistent with benecrine. 487 00:22:20,016 --> 00:22:21,068 There any proof? 488 00:22:21,148 --> 00:22:24,684 No. Rhodes isn't stupid. She never filed any paperwork 489 00:22:25,054 --> 00:22:27,398 for the exams or the preceding visits. 490 00:22:27,699 --> 00:22:29,722 But this assistant remembers the names? 491 00:22:29,842 --> 00:22:31,745 Five girls in the last two years. 492 00:22:31,805 --> 00:22:33,247 Was race a factor? 493 00:22:33,348 --> 00:22:37,254 The only common thread is they all had records of drugs and crime. 494 00:22:38,596 --> 00:22:41,260 A white woman sterilizing delinquent girls 495 00:22:41,330 --> 00:22:44,796 because she judged them unfit to reproduce? Eugenics. 496 00:22:45,046 --> 00:22:46,639 Thought that ended in Nazi Germany. 497 00:22:46,719 --> 00:22:50,655 California was performing forced sterilizations until 1964. 498 00:22:52,058 --> 00:22:54,331 Have Green and Fontana track down the other girls. 499 00:22:54,401 --> 00:22:56,705 I already did. One died of a drug overdose, 500 00:22:56,775 --> 00:22:59,109 two are in prison, one moved out of state. 501 00:22:59,409 --> 00:23:01,353 And the fifth? Living in Queens. 502 00:23:01,423 --> 00:23:04,397 Isabella Perez. I'm meeting her this afternoon. 503 00:23:07,573 --> 00:23:10,237 No, I'm not the same person no more. I'm sober. 504 00:23:10,477 --> 00:23:12,380 Ain't been arrested in, like, three years. 505 00:23:12,551 --> 00:23:15,215 I work nights, I go to school, church. 506 00:23:16,186 --> 00:23:19,602 That's where I met my boyfriend, uh, my fiancé, Daryl. 507 00:23:20,203 --> 00:23:21,605 We're gonna get married next spring. 508 00:23:21,675 --> 00:23:23,638 Oh, wow. Congratulations. 509 00:23:24,610 --> 00:23:26,783 So, uh, Gloria Rhodes. 510 00:23:26,884 --> 00:23:28,286 Ah, Nurse G. 511 00:23:28,356 --> 00:23:30,449 Yeah, man, she wouldn't hurt nobody. 512 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:32,392 She really helped change my life around. 513 00:23:32,462 --> 00:23:34,416 You know, taught me that if I didn't respect myself, 514 00:23:34,436 --> 00:23:35,998 nobody else would either. 515 00:23:36,309 --> 00:23:38,412 I'm here about an exam she gave you. 516 00:23:38,512 --> 00:23:41,186 Do you remember having some trouble about two years ago? 517 00:23:41,257 --> 00:23:42,689 Yeah, I remember passing out. 518 00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:44,822 Nurse G took me to the clinic, 519 00:23:44,932 --> 00:23:46,495 and took real good care of me. 520 00:23:46,575 --> 00:23:48,258 You know, stayed up with me half the night. 521 00:23:48,308 --> 00:23:50,111 What was the problem? 522 00:23:50,552 --> 00:23:52,074 Some infection. 523 00:23:52,485 --> 00:23:55,189 I had real bad cramps. I was bleeding a lot. 524 00:23:56,130 --> 00:23:58,294 Did she offer to take you to the emergency room? 525 00:23:58,364 --> 00:24:00,738 Oh, no, she knew I didn't have no money. 526 00:24:00,808 --> 00:24:02,541 But I haven't had a problem since. 527 00:24:05,215 --> 00:24:08,160 Isabella, would you be willing to let one of our doctors examine you? 528 00:24:09,692 --> 00:24:10,964 What for? 529 00:24:12,737 --> 00:24:16,643 Medical exams show Isabella Perez was sterilized using benecrine. 530 00:24:16,784 --> 00:24:19,017 And had no idea this was done to her. 531 00:24:19,157 --> 00:24:21,752 Two of the other girls Savannah mentioned said the same thing. 532 00:24:21,832 --> 00:24:23,164 I'm looking into the others. 533 00:24:23,234 --> 00:24:25,968 Makes it hard to believe Traci Sands gave consent. 534 00:24:26,038 --> 00:24:27,771 Sterilizing one girl's terrible. 535 00:24:27,841 --> 00:24:30,546 Sterilizing five is a mission statement. 536 00:24:30,656 --> 00:24:31,918 Up the charge to murder. 537 00:24:32,659 --> 00:24:34,322 Depraved indifference? 538 00:24:34,592 --> 00:24:36,826 Arthur, I'm not so sure we can get there. 539 00:24:37,166 --> 00:24:39,230 You think jurors won't be as horrified as we are? 540 00:24:39,771 --> 00:24:43,306 I think the argument for eugenics is more seductive than you imagine. 541 00:24:43,587 --> 00:24:45,920 Jack, please, no sane person 542 00:24:45,991 --> 00:24:47,823 is going to agree with what she did. 543 00:24:47,964 --> 00:24:51,770 In 1991, a judge ordered an abusive mother 544 00:24:51,940 --> 00:24:54,574 to go on Norplant as a condition of her parole. 545 00:24:54,885 --> 00:24:58,791 A year earlier, a Philadelphia Enquirer editorial suggested 546 00:24:58,861 --> 00:25:02,427 coerced contraception to reduce the black underclass. 547 00:25:03,238 --> 00:25:07,445 The sympathy for eugenics in this country leads back to 1927. 548 00:25:07,685 --> 00:25:09,949 Supreme Court, Oliver Wendell Holmes... 549 00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:11,351 Buck v. Bell. 550 00:25:11,562 --> 00:25:14,086 Every law school in the country mocks that decision 551 00:25:14,166 --> 00:25:16,159 as a colossal miscarriage of justice. 552 00:25:16,239 --> 00:25:20,376 Oliver Wendell Holmes was one of the great judges in this country's history. 553 00:25:20,586 --> 00:25:24,352 And he held that it was legal to sterilize Carrie Buck 554 00:25:24,422 --> 00:25:27,828 for being feeble-minded and having a child out of wedlock. 555 00:25:28,068 --> 00:25:30,772 He was convinced that eugenics makes sense. 556 00:25:30,842 --> 00:25:33,477 All Robinette has to do is convince one juror 557 00:25:33,547 --> 00:25:35,650 that this nurse did the right thing. 558 00:25:36,492 --> 00:25:39,016 Well, you'll have to convince them all of the truth. 559 00:25:39,196 --> 00:25:40,358 This is murder. 560 00:25:44,975 --> 00:25:48,180 You have had experience with benecrine sterilizations, 561 00:25:48,250 --> 00:25:49,813 isn't that correct, Dr. Horton? 562 00:25:49,893 --> 00:25:53,389 Yes. I performed the procedure numerous times while working with 563 00:25:53,469 --> 00:25:56,203 the Center for Population and Hygiene in Cambodia. 564 00:25:56,574 --> 00:25:57,876 In Cambodia? 565 00:25:58,016 --> 00:25:59,418 Did you work with the defendant? 566 00:25:59,478 --> 00:26:01,211 Yes, she assisted me. 567 00:26:01,291 --> 00:26:02,884 She assisted you with sterilizations? 568 00:26:03,094 --> 00:26:05,258 At first. But as I learned more about benecrine, 569 00:26:05,328 --> 00:26:06,960 I refused to administer it. 570 00:26:07,571 --> 00:26:10,236 After that, she performed the procedures herself. 571 00:26:10,676 --> 00:26:13,381 Why did you refuse to administer benecrine? 572 00:26:13,621 --> 00:26:17,497 It may be carcinogenic. That's why it's not approved in the U.S. 573 00:26:18,028 --> 00:26:20,062 If it's not safe enough for Americans, 574 00:26:20,472 --> 00:26:22,375 why is it okay for Cambodians? 575 00:26:22,445 --> 00:26:24,849 Did you ever share these concerns with the defendant? 576 00:26:24,919 --> 00:26:28,445 Yes. But she didn't stop performing benecrine sterilizations. 577 00:26:32,832 --> 00:26:36,538 How many benecrine sterilizations did Nurse Rhodes perform in Cambodia? 578 00:26:36,678 --> 00:26:38,241 Roughly 200. 579 00:26:38,721 --> 00:26:40,124 Did anyone die? 580 00:26:40,224 --> 00:26:41,526 Not to my knowledge. 581 00:26:41,596 --> 00:26:45,362 Have you, Dr. Horton, ever lost a patient as a result of a benecrine sterilization? 582 00:26:45,472 --> 00:26:46,474 No. 583 00:26:46,634 --> 00:26:48,738 So, in your experience, 584 00:26:48,878 --> 00:26:51,372 benecrine sterilizations are actually quite safe. 585 00:26:52,854 --> 00:26:55,659 Just because no one died doesn't mean they're safe. 586 00:26:55,729 --> 00:26:57,632 Well, that's exactly what it means, right? 587 00:26:57,702 --> 00:26:59,695 Hundred of procedures, no fatalities? 588 00:26:59,905 --> 00:27:01,067 We were lucky. 589 00:27:01,348 --> 00:27:02,470 Why's that? 590 00:27:02,610 --> 00:27:04,583 None of our patients had sickle syndrome. 591 00:27:05,524 --> 00:27:08,429 So what you're saying is, if a medical professional 592 00:27:08,529 --> 00:27:10,833 is unaware that a patient has sickle syndrome, 593 00:27:10,973 --> 00:27:12,516 he or she would have no basis to believe 594 00:27:12,536 --> 00:27:14,058 that the procedure is life threatening? 595 00:27:15,210 --> 00:27:18,515 Yes, I... I suppose that's right. 596 00:27:19,888 --> 00:27:21,230 Thank you. 597 00:27:26,108 --> 00:27:28,511 We still need someone who can testify that Rhodes knew 598 00:27:28,581 --> 00:27:30,244 about Traci's sickle syndrome. 599 00:27:30,314 --> 00:27:33,119 We've been over this, Jack, that person doesn't exist. 600 00:27:33,259 --> 00:27:34,731 There are no records? 601 00:27:34,801 --> 00:27:36,494 No evaluations? Notes? 602 00:27:36,564 --> 00:27:39,168 I looked at every damn paper in that clinic. 603 00:27:39,239 --> 00:27:41,582 There's nothing. So what do we do? 604 00:27:41,652 --> 00:27:44,888 Hope when we call Isabella Perez, that the jury assumes. 605 00:27:44,958 --> 00:27:47,692 Nurse Rhodes asked Traci the same questions she asked her. 606 00:27:48,103 --> 00:27:50,266 Isabella's reluctant to take the stand. 607 00:27:50,467 --> 00:27:52,500 This has been really rough on her. 608 00:27:52,580 --> 00:27:54,203 She wanted to start a family. 609 00:27:54,483 --> 00:27:56,576 Then she should be even more reluctant 610 00:27:56,687 --> 00:27:58,850 to see Nurse Rhodes go unpunished. 611 00:28:00,032 --> 00:28:01,655 Before the procedure, 612 00:28:01,835 --> 00:28:04,329 did Nurse Rhodes ask you if you had sickle cell anemia 613 00:28:04,409 --> 00:28:05,811 or sickle syndrome? 614 00:28:05,881 --> 00:28:06,883 Yes. 615 00:28:07,183 --> 00:28:08,185 Do you? 616 00:28:08,255 --> 00:28:09,257 No. 617 00:28:09,858 --> 00:28:10,950 But she asked? 618 00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:12,031 Yes. 619 00:28:12,091 --> 00:28:14,365 I remember 'cause nobody asked me questions like that 620 00:28:14,435 --> 00:28:16,168 before a pap smear. 621 00:28:16,438 --> 00:28:20,785 Could you tell the jury what happened after your visit to Nurse Rhodes 622 00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:25,252 for a simple pelvic exam approximately two years ago? 623 00:28:25,763 --> 00:28:28,968 I got sick. I remember Nurse Rhodes pulled something out of me. 624 00:28:30,110 --> 00:28:31,172 It hurt. 625 00:28:31,242 --> 00:28:32,514 I didn't see what it was. 626 00:28:32,714 --> 00:28:34,948 But you were concerned that something was wrong? 627 00:28:35,419 --> 00:28:36,420 Yes, sir. 628 00:28:36,521 --> 00:28:38,364 Afterwards, I even asked. 629 00:28:43,542 --> 00:28:45,345 Take your time, Miss Perez. 630 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,854 I asked her if I could still have babies. 631 00:28:50,934 --> 00:28:52,767 And what did Nurse Rhodes say? 632 00:28:52,837 --> 00:28:55,361 She just smiled at me. She said, "You're young." 633 00:28:55,711 --> 00:28:58,906 "Straighten out your life before you worry about that." 634 00:28:59,487 --> 00:29:00,920 She lied right to my face. 635 00:29:01,461 --> 00:29:05,297 Did she ever explain to you why she chose to sterilize you? 636 00:29:05,868 --> 00:29:07,100 No, sir. 637 00:29:08,842 --> 00:29:12,288 At the time this happened, had you been in trouble with the law? 638 00:29:13,790 --> 00:29:17,857 I had several convictions for drug possession and solicitation. 639 00:29:18,798 --> 00:29:20,832 Have you been arrested in the last three years? 640 00:29:21,072 --> 00:29:23,476 No, sir. I went through a treatment program. 641 00:29:23,776 --> 00:29:25,269 I go to college now. 642 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,284 Thank you, Miss Perez, nothing further. 643 00:29:30,397 --> 00:29:32,460 Convicted of solicitation. 644 00:29:34,674 --> 00:29:35,806 How many times? 645 00:29:36,877 --> 00:29:37,879 Four. 646 00:29:39,822 --> 00:29:40,954 Have you ever had gonorrhea? 647 00:29:41,024 --> 00:29:42,026 Objection. 648 00:29:42,096 --> 00:29:44,309 It goes to an alternate explanation for her sterility, Your Honor. 649 00:29:44,339 --> 00:29:46,242 It goes to villainizing the witness. 650 00:29:46,343 --> 00:29:47,535 Overruled. 651 00:29:47,615 --> 00:29:50,279 But proceed with caution, Mr. Robinette. 652 00:29:53,093 --> 00:29:54,456 Miss Perez? 653 00:29:55,397 --> 00:29:57,460 Have you ever had gonorrhea? 654 00:29:58,943 --> 00:30:01,377 Answer the question, please. 655 00:30:01,747 --> 00:30:02,809 Yes. 656 00:30:05,894 --> 00:30:07,256 What about chlamydia? 657 00:30:08,498 --> 00:30:09,590 I don't remember. 658 00:30:09,670 --> 00:30:11,553 You don't remember being diagnosed on March 4 of... 659 00:30:11,573 --> 00:30:12,975 You know, that's not why I'm here. 660 00:30:13,045 --> 00:30:14,117 Did you have chlamydia or not? 661 00:30:14,147 --> 00:30:16,711 Shut your mouth! Why you on her side, anyway, huh? 662 00:30:16,781 --> 00:30:18,514 Your Honor! She did this to me! 663 00:30:18,594 --> 00:30:20,057 She took away my babies! 664 00:30:20,127 --> 00:30:21,830 Straighten out my life, bitch, for what? 665 00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:23,062 Miss Perez, please. 666 00:30:23,132 --> 00:30:24,213 I can't have babies! I can't be a mother! 667 00:30:24,243 --> 00:30:26,737 You gonna pay, bitch! You know that? You gonna pay! 668 00:30:26,808 --> 00:30:28,711 You're gonna pay for this! 669 00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:55,614 So our key witness had a meltdown on the stand. 670 00:30:55,854 --> 00:30:59,590 Not necessarily fatal. Her emotion might win some sympathy for Traci. 671 00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:03,667 Or she scared a few jurors into thinking Gloria Rhodes was right. 672 00:31:04,478 --> 00:31:06,171 L think I need to offer a plea. 673 00:31:06,351 --> 00:31:08,825 I talked to Robinette. He'll accept man two. 674 00:31:08,885 --> 00:31:09,917 It's not enough. 675 00:31:09,987 --> 00:31:13,292 I know you've already condemned her to NOW, and the NAACP, 676 00:31:13,362 --> 00:31:14,464 and half of New York. 677 00:31:14,534 --> 00:31:17,980 It's not about politics, Jack, I'm outraged, like a lot of people. 678 00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:22,357 Our legal system is how society vents that outrage instead of vigilantism. 679 00:31:22,657 --> 00:31:24,791 I just don't wanna see her walk. 680 00:31:25,462 --> 00:31:27,195 Then don't let her. 681 00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:33,384 Nurse Rhodes, why did you perform a benecrine sterilization 682 00:31:33,455 --> 00:31:34,857 on Traci Sands? 683 00:31:35,227 --> 00:31:39,424 Traci was a lost, frightened young woman with a serious drug addiction. 684 00:31:39,765 --> 00:31:42,539 She'd been in trouble with the law since she was nine. 685 00:31:42,679 --> 00:31:45,374 After two abortions, she had a baby girl, Kesha, 686 00:31:45,454 --> 00:31:47,387 whom she abused terribly. 687 00:31:47,928 --> 00:31:49,921 Threw boiling water on her. 688 00:31:50,362 --> 00:31:52,355 So when Traci Sands came to me 689 00:31:52,435 --> 00:31:56,101 after Child Services had taken her baby, in tears, 690 00:31:56,411 --> 00:31:58,475 begging me to perform the procedure, 691 00:31:58,755 --> 00:32:02,852 begging me to save her from herself, from her own worst instincts, 692 00:32:03,633 --> 00:32:04,695 I agreed. 693 00:32:06,037 --> 00:32:07,169 Why did you agree? 694 00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:12,417 I thought I was doing her, and her potential unborn children, a favor. 695 00:32:13,158 --> 00:32:14,681 Why benecrine specifically, 696 00:32:14,891 --> 00:32:16,954 instead of tubal ligation or Norplant? 697 00:32:17,195 --> 00:32:20,570 Traci was afraid of surgery, but she wanted it to be permanent. 698 00:32:21,171 --> 00:32:24,146 Based on my experience, benecrine was a safe alternative. 699 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,795 Did you ask Traci Sands if she had sickle syndrome? 700 00:32:30,266 --> 00:32:31,327 Yes. 701 00:32:32,209 --> 00:32:33,641 What did she say? 702 00:32:34,272 --> 00:32:36,576 She said no, that she was healthy. 703 00:32:43,868 --> 00:32:46,432 Benecrine sterilization was safe? 704 00:32:46,742 --> 00:32:49,777 Are you aware that it isn't FDA approved? 705 00:32:50,088 --> 00:32:53,253 Safety isn't the only reason the FDA withholds approval. 706 00:32:53,323 --> 00:32:57,199 Did you know there are concerns that benecrine causes cancer? 707 00:32:57,670 --> 00:33:00,735 Only because the studies that prove it doesn't are incomplete. 708 00:33:01,716 --> 00:33:05,282 When did you learn that Traci Sands had sickle syndrome? 709 00:33:06,093 --> 00:33:08,657 Shortly after she passed on. 710 00:33:09,499 --> 00:33:11,161 She had been diagnosed as a child, 711 00:33:11,242 --> 00:33:13,505 but those records were never forwarded to my clinic. 712 00:33:13,816 --> 00:33:16,340 She had been diagnosed with sickle syndrome. 713 00:33:17,552 --> 00:33:19,224 And yet it's your testimony 714 00:33:19,425 --> 00:33:21,298 that she told you she was healthy? 715 00:33:21,768 --> 00:33:22,960 Yes. 716 00:33:23,301 --> 00:33:27,007 I think she wanted the procedure so badly she was willing to lie. 717 00:33:27,077 --> 00:33:30,522 After you made it clear that benecrine 718 00:33:30,623 --> 00:33:32,756 could kill a person in her condition, 719 00:33:33,227 --> 00:33:36,672 she chose to lie and put her own life at risk? 720 00:33:37,173 --> 00:33:40,278 It may not make sense to someone like you, Mr. McCoy, 721 00:33:40,649 --> 00:33:43,684 but for a girl crushed by poverty, addiction and abuse, 722 00:33:43,754 --> 00:33:45,156 it was perfectly clear. 723 00:33:45,497 --> 00:33:47,470 Perfectly clear to whom? 724 00:33:49,072 --> 00:33:50,264 To you? 725 00:33:51,045 --> 00:33:53,239 To anyone capable of sympathy. 726 00:33:55,823 --> 00:33:59,028 When you see how Traci tortured her own daughter, 727 00:33:59,729 --> 00:34:03,035 you know it should never be allowed to happen again. 728 00:34:03,305 --> 00:34:06,941 But that doesn't change the fact that Traci asked me for help. 729 00:34:07,582 --> 00:34:09,485 That it was her choice. 730 00:34:27,905 --> 00:34:29,377 You think the jury believed her? 731 00:34:29,447 --> 00:34:30,539 Every word. 732 00:34:30,609 --> 00:34:32,101 Do we have fuel to impeach? 733 00:34:32,222 --> 00:34:35,196 Of course. But we don't have any rebuttal witnesses. 734 00:34:35,256 --> 00:34:36,528 What about Traci's grandmother? 735 00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:37,650 On what basis? 736 00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:39,503 She told us Traci wanted more children. 737 00:34:39,573 --> 00:34:43,099 Why would somebody who wouldn't take the pill agree to sterilization? 738 00:34:43,179 --> 00:34:44,702 Track her down. 739 00:34:46,024 --> 00:34:49,549 I just want to wash my hands of this whole thing and move on. 740 00:34:49,629 --> 00:34:50,691 I can subpoena you. 741 00:34:50,761 --> 00:34:51,963 And make me say what? 742 00:34:52,033 --> 00:34:53,806 That Traci wanted more children. 743 00:34:53,876 --> 00:34:56,010 That she refused to use contraceptives. 744 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,884 That she would never have consented to being sterilized. 745 00:34:58,954 --> 00:35:01,789 I just wanna put this thing behind me, can't you understand that? 746 00:35:01,859 --> 00:35:03,662 If she was my granddaughter, I'd want answers. 747 00:35:03,762 --> 00:35:05,004 I'd want the truth to come out. 748 00:35:05,074 --> 00:35:07,478 But she is not your granddaughter. 749 00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:10,613 And sometimes the truth, 750 00:35:11,114 --> 00:35:14,089 especially up here, ain't so pretty. 751 00:35:14,860 --> 00:35:16,663 Nurse Rhodes killed Traci. 752 00:35:16,933 --> 00:35:19,197 Gloria was just trying to help. 753 00:35:20,379 --> 00:35:21,711 The same with Savannah, 754 00:35:21,851 --> 00:35:23,874 and everyone else at that clinic. 755 00:35:24,686 --> 00:35:25,988 What do you mean? 756 00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:28,892 Those are good people 757 00:35:29,704 --> 00:35:31,397 trying to do right. 758 00:35:32,208 --> 00:35:34,842 You can't fault them for what happened! 759 00:35:43,506 --> 00:35:44,868 Miss Borgia? 760 00:35:44,938 --> 00:35:46,240 Did you lie to me, Savannah? 761 00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:47,643 What? No! 762 00:35:47,983 --> 00:35:51,118 You told me Traci Sands came to the clinic alone. She did. 763 00:35:51,489 --> 00:35:54,484 Like I said, it was just Nurse G and Traci in the exam room. 764 00:35:54,564 --> 00:35:56,367 What about Lillie Sands, her grandmother? 765 00:35:56,507 --> 00:35:57,559 What about her? 766 00:35:57,639 --> 00:35:59,231 How does she know you? 767 00:35:59,311 --> 00:36:00,944 She comes in sometimes. 768 00:36:01,014 --> 00:36:03,047 Don't lie to me, Savannah. 769 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,052 Savannah. 770 00:36:14,546 --> 00:36:17,150 Miss Sands came in a few days before Traci. 771 00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:18,282 What for? 772 00:36:18,362 --> 00:36:20,095 She was just talking to Nurse G! 773 00:36:20,165 --> 00:36:21,537 About what? 774 00:36:25,583 --> 00:36:28,017 Security sign-in sheets confirm you were at the clinic 775 00:36:28,088 --> 00:36:30,081 two days before Traci was sterilized. 776 00:36:30,962 --> 00:36:33,456 Yet you received no medical services. 777 00:36:36,942 --> 00:36:40,007 What did you and Gloria Rhodes discuss, Mrs. Sands? 778 00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:43,392 I can't say anything. 779 00:36:45,365 --> 00:36:46,888 I can't get in trouble. 780 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,161 Lillie. 781 00:36:49,241 --> 00:36:52,447 Who's gonna look after my family if I'm not around? 782 00:36:53,618 --> 00:36:55,211 Sara and Damien, 783 00:36:56,523 --> 00:36:58,256 I'm all they've got. 784 00:36:58,967 --> 00:37:01,671 No one else cares if they live or die. 785 00:37:03,775 --> 00:37:07,521 If you agree to testify truthfully, I can grant you immunity. 786 00:37:07,591 --> 00:37:08,923 You won't go to jail. 787 00:37:11,026 --> 00:37:15,944 Understand, Mr. McCoy, that you're not just making a deal with me. 788 00:37:21,323 --> 00:37:23,657 You're making a promise to them. 789 00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:27,533 Tell the truth and you won't go to jail. 790 00:37:27,603 --> 00:37:29,236 You have my word. 791 00:37:36,828 --> 00:37:39,672 Traci didn't know she was being sterilized. 792 00:37:41,075 --> 00:37:42,407 But I did. 793 00:37:43,819 --> 00:37:45,081 How did you know? 794 00:37:45,151 --> 00:37:47,024 I talked to Nurse Rhodes. 795 00:37:47,094 --> 00:37:49,568 I could see the path Traci was on. 796 00:37:50,730 --> 00:37:54,767 I couldn't get her off drugs, couldn't stop her having sex. 797 00:37:56,379 --> 00:37:58,352 I tried to get her Norplant, 798 00:37:58,723 --> 00:38:01,788 but doctors wouldn't do it without Traci's consent. 799 00:38:01,858 --> 00:38:03,300 So what did you do? 800 00:38:03,370 --> 00:38:06,365 I went to the clinic, talked to Gloria Rhodes, 801 00:38:06,946 --> 00:38:08,739 and she told me about benecrine. 802 00:38:09,981 --> 00:38:11,784 What did you say to her? 803 00:38:13,056 --> 00:38:14,528 I asked her... 804 00:38:17,233 --> 00:38:18,535 Oh, God. 805 00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:26,257 I asked her to make it so that Traci could never have kids. 806 00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:30,103 I had to do something. 807 00:38:30,604 --> 00:38:32,667 After what she did to Kesha. 808 00:38:34,510 --> 00:38:36,454 See, Traci was my mistake. 809 00:38:38,427 --> 00:38:39,899 My fault. 810 00:38:41,001 --> 00:38:42,363 Her mother... 811 00:38:44,506 --> 00:38:46,840 I should have protected Traci. 812 00:38:48,613 --> 00:38:50,616 I should have raised her. 813 00:38:54,462 --> 00:38:57,878 It can't go on like this. It has to stop somewhere. 814 00:39:02,686 --> 00:39:06,191 Did you tell Nurse Rhodes about Traci's sickle syndrome? 815 00:39:07,503 --> 00:39:08,555 Yes. 816 00:39:09,607 --> 00:39:11,079 I was worried about it. 817 00:39:11,540 --> 00:39:13,102 So I told her. 818 00:39:13,513 --> 00:39:16,077 Traci was diagnosed when she was seven. 819 00:39:17,429 --> 00:39:20,454 And Gloria says she didn't know Traci had it. 820 00:39:22,377 --> 00:39:24,000 But she did know. 821 00:39:25,482 --> 00:39:26,885 L told her. 822 00:39:29,288 --> 00:39:31,592 Did she say that would be a problem? 823 00:39:31,692 --> 00:39:33,535 She didn't say anything. 824 00:39:34,967 --> 00:39:38,714 So I asked her if she could still give Traci the IUD. 825 00:39:40,617 --> 00:39:43,221 And she told me it would be fine. 826 00:39:47,738 --> 00:39:48,870 Nothing further. 827 00:39:57,894 --> 00:39:59,126 She was convincing. 828 00:39:59,206 --> 00:40:01,951 Just to be safe, make sure we include man two in the jury instructions. 829 00:40:01,971 --> 00:40:04,004 I already tried. Robinette objected. 830 00:40:04,214 --> 00:40:06,188 After he said he'd accept it as a plea? 831 00:40:06,288 --> 00:40:07,780 That was then. 832 00:40:08,662 --> 00:40:10,424 The People made this political, Your Honor. 833 00:40:10,565 --> 00:40:12,037 They chose to up the ante to murder, 834 00:40:12,097 --> 00:40:13,730 but now they want to hedge. 835 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,815 Your Honor, we have met all the elements of reckless manslaughter. 836 00:40:16,985 --> 00:40:19,890 I'm not sure you should have it both ways, Mr. McCoy. 837 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,484 The law allows them to consider all the options. 838 00:40:22,594 --> 00:40:23,756 Not necessarily. 839 00:40:23,836 --> 00:40:26,811 And I'm inclined to see them pressed to respond. 840 00:40:27,171 --> 00:40:29,705 When the Nazis sent my father to Dachau, 841 00:40:29,816 --> 00:40:31,689 it was because people who knew it was wrong 842 00:40:31,749 --> 00:40:33,552 didn't get mad enough to stop it. 843 00:40:35,324 --> 00:40:37,328 Much as I would like them to, 844 00:40:37,638 --> 00:40:39,832 the jury shouldn't have to believe Nurse Rhodes 845 00:40:39,912 --> 00:40:43,077 is Josef Mengele to think that she broke the law. 846 00:40:49,397 --> 00:40:50,869 You're right. 847 00:40:52,242 --> 00:40:54,615 I'll go with the prosecution's recommendation. 848 00:40:54,675 --> 00:40:56,518 The jury may consider man two. 849 00:41:05,403 --> 00:41:07,075 Have you reached a verdict? 850 00:41:07,145 --> 00:41:08,508 We have, Your Honor. 851 00:41:08,578 --> 00:41:10,050 What say you? 852 00:41:10,291 --> 00:41:13,426 On the first count of the indictment, murder in the second degree, 853 00:41:14,067 --> 00:41:17,131 we find the defendant, Gloria Rhodes, not guilty. 854 00:41:18,273 --> 00:41:20,307 On the second count in the indictment, 855 00:41:20,417 --> 00:41:22,480 manslaughter in the second degree, 856 00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:24,784 we find the defendant guilty. 857 00:41:25,725 --> 00:41:28,670 The court thanks the jurors for their service. 858 00:41:28,930 --> 00:41:32,176 Sentencing to take place tomorrow morning, 9:00 a.m. 859 00:41:41,471 --> 00:41:43,734 We'll fight this on appeal. It isn't over. 860 00:41:43,804 --> 00:41:44,866 Far from it. 861 00:41:44,946 --> 00:41:48,281 We've filed charges relating to the other girls she sterilized. 862 00:41:48,352 --> 00:41:50,515 And we're launching an investigation to determine 863 00:41:50,595 --> 00:41:52,618 the full extent of your client's crimes. 864 00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:55,533 You don't understand, Mr. McCoy. 865 00:41:55,874 --> 00:41:57,276 You don't see how these girls... 866 00:41:57,346 --> 00:41:59,710 These children treat their babies. 867 00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:03,256 I never meant to hurt her, but I couldn't risk it. 868 00:42:03,696 --> 00:42:06,531 The world doesn't need another Traci Sands. 869 00:42:07,432 --> 00:42:09,636 We've found evidence that you performed 870 00:42:09,706 --> 00:42:13,151 at least 20 other forced sterilizations, Miss Rhodes. 871 00:42:15,285 --> 00:42:17,228 What the world doesn't need is you. 872 00:42:32,603 --> 00:42:34,436 So Why'd you take it, Paul? 873 00:42:35,177 --> 00:42:37,741 Why defend someone like Gloria Rhodes? 874 00:42:39,554 --> 00:42:41,547 I could give you reasons. 875 00:42:42,228 --> 00:42:44,392 The good she's done with the clinic, 876 00:42:44,702 --> 00:42:46,896 innocent until proven guilty. 877 00:42:49,009 --> 00:42:53,075 But tell me your job wouldn't be easier if people like Traci were never born. 878 00:42:54,127 --> 00:42:56,150 That the world wouldn't be a better place. 879 00:42:58,064 --> 00:42:59,696 I won't say that. 880 00:43:00,007 --> 00:43:01,599 You already did. 881 00:43:01,940 --> 00:43:03,572 Gloria Rhodes isn't Josef Mengele. 882 00:43:06,016 --> 00:43:09,261 Nobody wants to admit they think she did the right thing. 883 00:43:09,903 --> 00:43:12,397 But if they look for it, you look for it, 884 00:43:13,178 --> 00:43:15,271 deep down, it's there. 885 00:43:17,685 --> 00:43:19,658 That deserves a defense. 67398

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