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The National Rifle Association
has produced a film
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which you are sure
to find of great interest.
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Let's look at it.
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- It was the morning
of April 20th, 1999.
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And it was pretty much like
any other morning in America.
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The farmer did his chores,
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the milkman
made his deliveries,
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the president bombed
another country
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whose name
we couldn't pronounce.
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Out in Fargo, North Dakota,
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Carry McWilliams
went on his morning walk.
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Back in Michigan, Mrs. Hughes
welcomed her students
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for another day of school.
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And out in a little town
in Colorado,
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two boys went bowling
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at six in the morning.
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Yes, it was a typical day
in the United States
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of America.
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- Can I help you?
- Uh, yeah,
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I'm here to open up an account.
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- Okay, what type of account
would you like?
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- Um, I want the account where
I can, uh, get the free gun.
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- Okay.
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- I'd spotted an ad
in the local Michigan paper
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that said if you opened an
account at North Country Bank,
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the bank would give you a gun.
- You do a CD
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and we'll hand you a gun.
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We have a whole brochure here
that you can look at.
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Once we do the background check
and everything,
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it's yours to go.
- Okay. Well, all right,
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well, that's the account
I'd like to open.
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We have a vault, which
at all times we keep at least
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500 firearms.
- Five-hundred of these,
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you have in your vault?
- In our vault.
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- Wow.
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- We have to do
a background check.
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- At the bank here?
- At the bank,
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which we are a licensed
firearm dealer.
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- Oh, you are? You're a bank
and a licensed firearm dealer.
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What do I put for "race"?
White or Caucasian or...?
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- Caucasian.
- Caucasian.
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- I knew you were gonna make me
spell the... Cau-ca-sian.
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Is that right?
- Yes.
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I don't think that's the part
they're gonna be worried about.
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"Have you ever been adjudicated
mentally defective
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or have you ever been committed
to a mental institution?"
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I've never been committed
to a mental institution.
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What does that mean,
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"Have I ever been adjudicated
mentally defective"?
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- It would be something
involved with a crime.
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So if I'm just normally mentally
defective but not criminal...
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- Yeah, exactly.
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- There you go, Mike.
- Okay. Thank you very much. Wow.
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- I had one personally--
- That's a nice tension.
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- It is and it's
a straight-shooter,
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let me tell ya.
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- Wow. Sweet.
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Well, here's my first question:
You think
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it's a little dangerous,
handing out guns in a bank?
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- Ten-ho!
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- Each gun makes lots
of battle sounds.
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Just press the trigger,
and listen.
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- That sounds like a gun battle.
Over there.
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- Is it real?
- Looks like real!
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Hey, it sounds like real!
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- Right! The Sound-O-Power
military and western rifles
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by Marx!
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- This was my first gun.
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I couldn't wait to go outside
and shoot up the neighbourhood.
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Those were the days.
"I was born
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"in Michigan
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"and I wish and wish again
that I was back
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"in the town where I was born"
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- By the time I was a teenager,
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I was such a good shot
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I won the National
Rifle Association's
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Markman award.
You see,
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I grew up in Michigan,
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a gun-lover's paradise.
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And so did this man,
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the Oscar-winning actor
and president
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of the National
Rifle Association,
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Mr. Charlton Heston.
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We come from a state
where everyone
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loves to go hunting.
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- Hah.
- Even the dogs.
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- There were actually
two of the hunters at camp.
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They thought
they'd get a few pictures
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of the dog dressed up
as a hunter
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to kind of just have some fun
around camp.
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And one of the guys
had the idea that,
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"Why don't we sling a rifle
on the dog's back
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to make the pictures
a little more interesting.
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The victim was kneeling down
in front of the dog
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when the weapon slipped.
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The one round went through
the victim's shin,
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the right part of his shin,
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and came out through
the back of his calf.
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- Was the dog hauled off for any
period of time by the police?
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- No, it wasn't. No.
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Um, in Michigan,
the law basically states
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that people can commit crimes
that animals
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aren't some... form of,
uh, you know,
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whatever that can
commit a crime.
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- An animal cannot commit a crime
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or be charged with a crime
in this state.
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- Exactly.
- Is it possible that the dog
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knew what it was doing?
- That, I don't know.
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I really wouldn't be able
to tell you that.
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The dog was cute
dressed up as a hunter,
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there's no doubt about it.
I mean, it was a funny picture,
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um, you know, to look at.
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It was... it was kind of neat.
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- Yup, this was the kind
of place I was from.
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A box
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of 270s.
- Coming up.
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There you go.
- Perfect.
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Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Sorry about that, sorry.
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- So I've been discharged.
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- You don't need no gun control.
You know what you need?
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We need some bullet control.
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We need to control the bullets,
that's right.
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I think all bullets
should cost $5,000.
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$5,000 for a bullet.
You know why?
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'Cause if a bullet cost $5,000,
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there'd be no more
innocent bystanders.
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[ clapping and cheering ]
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Every time
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somebody get shot, people are,
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"Damn, he must've
did something."
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See, they put $50,000's worth
of bullets in his ass!"
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And people'd think
before they killed somebody
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for a bullet that cost $5,000!
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"Man, I would blow
your fucking head off --
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if I could afford it."
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I'm gonna get me another job,
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I'm gonna start saving some
money, and you a dead man.
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You better hope I can't
get no bullets on layaway.
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- Not far from where
Charlton Heston and I grew up
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is a training ground
for the Michigan Militia.
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Why do you use the bowling pins?
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- From a self-defence or
whatever tactical standpoint,
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it's a small target,
which also represents
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the vitals on a...
on a human being,
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if you ever had to shoot at one.
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- The Michigan Militia
became known around the world
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when, on April 19th, 1995,
two guys living in Michigan
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who had attended
Militia meetings,
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Timothy McVeigh
and Terry Nichols,
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blew up the federal building
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in Oklahoma City,
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killing 168 people.
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The Michigan Militia
wanted everyone to know
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that they were nothing
like McVeigh and Nichols.
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- This is an American tradition.
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It's an American responsibility
to be armed.
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If you're not armed,
you're not responsible.
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Who's gonna defend your kids,
the cops?
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The federal government?
No, none of them.
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It's your job
to defend you and yours.
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If you don't do it,
you're in dereliction of duty,
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as an American. Period.
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- We're here to let them
know we're here to help.
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We're not the bogeymen
we're made out to be.
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We're here to help and defend
the people of this country.
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- I'm sure you guys
are the kind of people
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that people would like
to have as their neighbour.
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If somebody's in need,
you're there to help them.
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- Pretty much. We're all normal
people. We all have regular jobs
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and this is what we do
on our time.
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- What kind of a job do you have?
- I'm a draftsman.
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- How about you?
- Unemployed right now.
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- Frank, what do you do
for a living?
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- I work for
a heat trading company.
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I drive a truck for 'em.
- Okay. How about you?
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- I'm a real-estate negotiator
- Real-estate negotiator!
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- White collar all the way.
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- You don't bring that with you,
though, do you,
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when you're negotiating
the real estate?
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- No.
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- Where do you live,
in suburban--
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- Westland.
- So what do you have
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in your home?
- Smith & Wesson 9-millimetre.
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- Nine-millimetre?
- Yeah.
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- And how about you?
- With hollow points.
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- Twelve gage.
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- Twelve gage at home?
- Yeah.
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- How about you?
- M-16.
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- At home?
- Yeah.
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At the ready.
- I don't agree with that,
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'cause you gotta worry about
where your arms are going.
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- I know where they're gonna go
when I aim and shoot.
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- Whose idea was the calendar?
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- That'd probably be Christian.
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- A picture's worth 1,000 words.
A) it demonstrates a level
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of sophistication that you
wouldn't expect out of Militia;
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B) you know,
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we're people too.
- Right.
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- And we have a lot of fun
with it.
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- Right.
- There was a fundraiser.
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It showed, um, that we're not
so serious, you know.
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We're not these conspiracy nuts
who wouldn't want our pictures
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to get out. The idea...
it was a fundraiser, you know...
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- I've had guns, um...
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pretty much since
I was old enough to...
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to have them. And I learned
how to use them, um...
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You're silly!
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Uh, because being a female,
number one,
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I felt it was important
to be able to protect myself
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with the best means possible.
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And one of those means
is having a gun.
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When a criminal
breaks into your house,
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who's the first person
you're gonna call?
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Most people will call the police
because they have guns.
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Cut out the middleman. Take care
of your own family yourself.
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If you're not going to protect
your family, who is?
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- We're not racist,
we're not extremist,
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we're not fundamentalist, we're
not terrorists or militants
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or other such nonsense.
- We're citizens.
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- We're just concerned citizens.
We have a desire
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to fulfil our responsibilities
and duties as Americans,
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and armed citizenry
is part of that.
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- What do you grow here?
- Right now, there's tofu beans,
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soy beans. Tofu-soy beans.
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- You're a tofu farmer.
- Yeah. Yeah, food farmer.
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I'm a food farmer.
- Food.
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- I grow food for people to eat.
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No herbicides, no pesticides
on that stuff.
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- Right. All natural.
- Right.
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- Yeah. Better.
- Certified organic.
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- Uh-huh. Healthier.
- Yeah.
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Basically, yeah.
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This is James Nichols,
the brother of Terry Nichols.
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James graduated from high
school the same year I did,
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in the district next to mine.
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On this farm
in Decker, Michigan,
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McVeigh and the Nichols
brothers made practice bombs
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before Oklahoma City.
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Terry and James were both
arrested in connection
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to the bombing.
[ TV news ]: U.S. attorneys
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formally linked the Nichols
brothers of Michigan
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with Oklahoma bomb suspect
Timothy McVeigh.
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Officials charged James,
who was at the hearing,
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and Terry, who was not,
with conspiring
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to make and possess
small bombs.
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- Terry Nichols was convicted
and received a life sentence.
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Timothy McVeigh was executed.
But the feds
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didn't have the goods on James,
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so the charges were dropped.
- I'm just glad
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to be out and free,
so I can get on with my life.
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- Did Timothy McVeigh
ever stay here?
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- Yes. Yes. He stayed here
several times.
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For the longest period, about
three months or so, I dunno.
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But, uh, he was a nice guy.
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- Decent guy?
- Oh, yeah.
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- They didn't find anything
on this farm.
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- As to what,
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bomb-making material?
- Any kind of explosives.
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- Uh, yeah, I had blasting caps,
dynamite blasting caps,
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dynamite fuse, black powder,
you know?
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For muzzle loaders and...
Sure.
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Diesel fuel, fertilizer, but,
uh, that is normal farm stuff
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that is no way connected
any way whatsoever to, uh,
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the Oklahoma City bombing
or bomb making.
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Them people - law enforcement,
if you wanna call 'em that -
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were here and they were shaking
in their shoes.
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They were physically shaking.
Scared to death.
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- Of?
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- Because they thought this
was gonna be another Waco.
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Because certain people...
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namely my ex-wife
and other people,
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said I'm a radical,
I'm a wild man,
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I got a gun under every arm,
down every leg and every shoe,
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every corner of the house.
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You say anything to me,
I'll shoot ya.
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If the people find out how
they've been ripped off
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and... and enslaved in this
country by the government,
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by the powers-to-be...
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they will revolt, with anger,
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with merciless anger.
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There'll be blood
running in the streets.
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When a government
turns tyrannical,
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it is your duty to overthrow it.
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- Well, why not use Gandhi's way?
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He didn't have any guns,
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and he beat the British empire.
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- I'm not familiar with that.
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- Oscoda has a bad habit
of raising psychos.
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Bad habit of it.
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- This is Brent.
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And this is his buddy DJ.
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They live in Oscoda, Michigan,
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across the bay
from the Nichols farm.
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Eric Harris,
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who would later go on
to commit the massacre
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at Columbine High School
in Colorado,
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spent part
of his childhood here.
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Eric lived on
the air-force base in Oscoda,
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where his dad flew planes
during the Gulf War.
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Twenty percent of all the bombs
dropped in that war
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were from planes
that took off from Oscoda.
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I asked Brent if he remembered
anything about Eric.
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- I never knew him,
but I knew of him.
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He left here before I got here.
I've only lived here seven years
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off and on.
- He was about the same age
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as you, so you must have people
in your class--
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- A friend of mine knows him,
he was in class with him.
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He's lived here all his life.
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- I went to school with him
and it shocked me to hear it
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on the news.
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That especially a kid from here
would be doing that.
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- I didn't last too long
in high school.
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I got kicked out,
I got expelled.
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- Why was that?
- I had a run-in with a kid
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one time and I pulled a weapon
on him, I pulled a gun on him.
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- What kind of gun?
- Nine-millimetre.
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I could've made a mess
out of that situation.
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- Could've been worse.
- Could've been a lot worse.
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- Could've been Eric Harris.
- It could've been.
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- So they kicked you out?
- Yeah, they kicked me out
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for 380 days or 165 days,
whatever a full school year is.
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- For the longest time, that's
what my plan was, to move out
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to Colorado.
- Colorado?
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- 'Cause I've got family
out there.
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Matter of fact,
one of my uncles is a janitor
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for Columbine School.
328
00:16:03,461 --> 00:16:04,826
- Really?
- Yeah.
329
00:16:04,962 --> 00:16:07,396
- After Columbine,
what was it like here in Oscoda?
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- My name was second-highest
on the bomb list,
331
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because of the reputation
you get in this town.
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- Why? You mean
they did a list of--
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- Of suspects.
- Of students who potentially--
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- Yeah.
- ...would call in a bomb threat
335
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after Columbine?
- Yes.
336
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- And you were number two
on the list?
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- I was second or third
on the list, yeah.
338
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- Why is that?
- Because the whole fact is,
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like I said, this town
really gets people down.
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00:16:31,522 --> 00:16:33,888
- Yeah, but why
did they single you out?
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- Because I was a troubled kid.
- You were in trouble in school?
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- Oh, yeah.
Why did they put you
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number two on their list,
after Columbine,
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of the students
that could be a threat?
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Come on, there must be a reason.
- Well, okay. The thing is,
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I have a thing, it's called
the "Anarchist Cookbook."
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It shows you how to make bombs
and stuff like that.
348
00:16:55,079 --> 00:16:56,876
If there's anything
that went wrong,
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they're gonna come to me first.
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And I don't need that.
- Just 'cause you owned a copy
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00:17:01,385 --> 00:17:03,410
of the book?
- Just because I own a copy--
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- Never made a bomb yourself?
- No. Oh, I've made 'em.
353
00:17:07,057 --> 00:17:09,582
It was nothing big; it wasn't
even as big as a pipe bomb.
354
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It was just... some make it
like a little tennis-ball bomb
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00:17:12,162 --> 00:17:13,561
or something like that.
356
00:17:15,833 --> 00:17:19,792
Out of the "Anarchist Cookbook,"
the latest thing I built...
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I think, would have to be...
I think I made it, like,
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00:17:22,673 --> 00:17:26,370
about a good five-gallon drum
of napalm.
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You know, homemade napalm.
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- Kids knew that
you were doing this?
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- Yeah.
- So you were number two, then,
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on the list.
- Right.
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00:17:34,518 --> 00:17:36,383
- Who was number one?
- I don't know.
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They never told me that name.
Which kind of made me mad.
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'Cause I didn't make it
to number one.
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I know it's kind of silly,
but I guess
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it'd been kind of an ego thing,
knowing that I was number one
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at something in Oscoda, even
if it was a bomb-threat list.
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00:17:52,937 --> 00:17:54,802
- Do you believe it was right
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00:17:54,939 --> 00:17:57,237
to blow up the building
in Oklahoma City?
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00:17:57,374 --> 00:17:59,569
I'm not saying you did it.
- No. No, no, no.
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00:17:59,710 --> 00:18:02,076
- I'm just saying: was it right?
- Why was it "blowed up"?
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00:18:02,212 --> 00:18:04,476
That's a good question. Why
was that building "blowed up"?
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00:18:04,615 --> 00:18:07,413
And who blew it up?
- But if someone did it,
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00:18:07,551 --> 00:18:09,075
it would be wrong.
- Yeah.
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00:18:09,219 --> 00:18:11,687
- It is wrong to take the lives
of those people.
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00:18:11,822 --> 00:18:14,120
- Yeah.
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00:18:14,258 --> 00:18:18,524
I use the pen. 'Cause the pen
is mightier than the sword.
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00:18:18,662 --> 00:18:23,156
But you always must keep a sword
handy, for when the pen fails.
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00:18:23,300 --> 00:18:26,497
I sleep with a .44 Magnum
under my pillow.
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00:18:26,637 --> 00:18:29,868
- Come on...
That's what everyone says.
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00:18:30,007 --> 00:18:32,032
Is that true?
- It's true.
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00:18:32,176 --> 00:18:34,371
- If we were to go--
- The whole world knows that.
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00:18:34,511 --> 00:18:37,537
- ...look under your pillow right
now, would we see a .44 Magnum?
385
00:18:37,681 --> 00:18:39,205
- Yeah.
- Honestly?
386
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:42,012
Would you take us and show us?
Right now?
387
00:18:42,152 --> 00:18:44,518
He took me into his bedroom,
but told the cameraman
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00:18:44,655 --> 00:18:46,350
to stay out. Sure enough,
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00:18:46,490 --> 00:18:49,550
there was a .44 Magnum
under his pillow.
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00:18:49,693 --> 00:18:51,888
There it is. Okay.
Is it loaded?
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00:18:52,029 --> 00:18:53,496
- Aye-yay-yay.
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00:18:53,564 --> 00:18:55,327
- Okay. I believe you.
393
00:18:55,399 --> 00:18:58,334
NICHOLS HAS COCKED THE GUN
AND PUT IT TO HIS TEMPLE.
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00:18:58,402 --> 00:19:00,700
[ laughing ]
Don't do that!
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00:19:00,771 --> 00:19:02,466
You put the gun to your head.
- I know!
396
00:19:02,606 --> 00:19:04,801
- Jeez!
- I'm not gonna get hurt!
397
00:19:04,942 --> 00:19:07,672
- This is loaded.
- It's loaded, it's safe.
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00:19:07,811 --> 00:19:10,746
You've got to pull the trigger,
pull the hammer and shoot it.
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00:19:10,881 --> 00:19:13,748
- Mm, put the hammer back.
- No one has a right to tell me
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00:19:13,884 --> 00:19:16,444
that I can't have it.
That is protected
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00:19:16,587 --> 00:19:18,748
in our constitution.
- Where's it say a handgun
402
00:19:18,889 --> 00:19:20,754
is protected?
- No, gun. We should...
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00:19:20,891 --> 00:19:22,415
Every citizen--
- It doesn't say "gun"!
404
00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:24,424
It says "arms."
- Arms. What is arms?
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00:19:24,561 --> 00:19:26,756
- Could be a nuclear weapon.
- It's not these-- That's right,
406
00:19:26,897 --> 00:19:29,263
it could be a nuclear weapon!
- You think you should have
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00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,766
the right to have weapons-grade
plutonium here on the farm?
408
00:19:31,902 --> 00:19:33,267
- We should be able
to have anything--
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00:19:33,404 --> 00:19:34,769
- Should you have
weapons-grade plutonium?
410
00:19:34,905 --> 00:19:37,100
- I don't want it.
- But should you have the right
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00:19:37,241 --> 00:19:39,607
to have it if you did want it?
- That should be restricted.
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00:19:39,743 --> 00:19:42,234
- Ah! Ah, so you do believe
in some restrictions.
413
00:19:42,379 --> 00:19:46,281
- Well, there's wackos out there.
414
00:19:46,417 --> 00:19:49,443
"Happiness is a warm gun
415
00:19:49,586 --> 00:19:52,612
"Bang bang shoot shoot"
[ TV news ]: The town of Virgin,
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00:19:52,756 --> 00:19:57,489
Utah, has passed a law requiring
all residents to own guns.
417
00:20:13,777 --> 00:20:16,075
- Cary McWilliams
proudly displays the target
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00:20:16,213 --> 00:20:18,477
he used to pass
his shooting test.
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00:20:18,615 --> 00:20:20,446
But the thing is,
he can't see it.
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00:20:20,584 --> 00:20:23,576
He's blind.
421
00:20:23,721 --> 00:20:25,586
Cary has had a love affair
with guns
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00:20:25,723 --> 00:20:28,783
since he first got his hands
on an M-16 as a teenager.
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00:20:28,926 --> 00:20:33,090
- I'm actually most comfortable
with assault rifles.
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00:20:33,230 --> 00:20:35,095
- Woo-hoo!
425
00:20:52,616 --> 00:20:54,709
- This is a great place
to raise your children.
426
00:20:54,852 --> 00:20:56,843
A really great place
to raise your kids.
427
00:20:56,987 --> 00:21:00,445
Very close-knit community
we have here.
428
00:21:00,591 --> 00:21:02,855
Everybody looks out
for everybody.
429
00:21:02,993 --> 00:21:05,018
- Good people.
- Good people.
430
00:21:05,162 --> 00:21:08,962
- This just happens to be
a place where two young men
431
00:21:09,099 --> 00:21:11,397
made very bad,
very wrong decisions.
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00:21:11,535 --> 00:21:15,062
And there's been international
notoriety as a result of it.
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00:21:15,205 --> 00:21:16,570
Other than that,
434
00:21:16,707 --> 00:21:18,902
I don't know that Littleton
is a lot different
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00:21:19,042 --> 00:21:22,136
than a whole lot
of other suburban communities.
436
00:21:26,283 --> 00:21:28,581
Economic Development P.R. Video
437
00:21:28,652 --> 00:21:30,620
- Good morning, Mr. Edwards,
members of the board.
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00:21:30,687 --> 00:21:33,349
I'd like to report that
I've found the perfect location
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00:21:33,490 --> 00:21:36,357
for our new corporate office,
South Metro Denver.
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00:21:36,493 --> 00:21:38,290
You can see,
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00:21:38,428 --> 00:21:41,090
I don't need these.
Because South Metro Denver
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00:21:41,231 --> 00:21:44,257
has about the same amount
of sunshine and precipitation
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00:21:44,401 --> 00:21:46,164
as Southern California.
It's so incredible,
444
00:21:46,303 --> 00:21:48,828
you're just gonna have
to see it for yourselves.
445
00:21:48,972 --> 00:21:51,133
How's this look, Mr. Edwards?
446
00:22:00,884 --> 00:22:03,216
Denny Fennel
Home Security Consultant
447
00:22:03,287 --> 00:22:05,755
- We're south of Denver,
in a community called Littleton,
448
00:22:05,823 --> 00:22:07,791
and this house is pretty much
449
00:22:07,925 --> 00:22:11,258
your average middle-class
suburban home.
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00:22:11,395 --> 00:22:13,226
The burglar or the rapist
is still here
451
00:22:13,363 --> 00:22:14,728
in the neighbourhood somewhere.
452
00:22:14,865 --> 00:22:17,561
And so citizens
sometimes think that...
453
00:22:17,701 --> 00:22:19,396
I have people tell me
all the time--
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00:22:19,536 --> 00:22:23,267
- Where exactly is the burglar
or rapist right now?
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00:22:23,407 --> 00:22:26,001
If I was to try and stab you
through this, right here,
456
00:22:26,143 --> 00:22:28,577
you're gonna have to be
really close. Right?
457
00:22:28,712 --> 00:22:30,737
- And here's the bottom line
on this.
458
00:22:30,881 --> 00:22:32,246
- What if I had a spear?
459
00:22:32,382 --> 00:22:35,840
- Now, downstairs is where
the safe-room was constructed,
460
00:22:35,986 --> 00:22:38,921
and this is a solid-core door,
a very heavy door.
461
00:22:39,056 --> 00:22:42,082
And now, the criminal
has to break through this door,
462
00:22:42,226 --> 00:22:43,750
so you've created
another barrier.
463
00:22:43,894 --> 00:22:46,727
- An axe would do it.
- An axe would do it.
464
00:22:46,864 --> 00:22:49,424
I think that Columbine
did a couple of things.
465
00:22:49,566 --> 00:22:53,764
One is that it changed how
we talk. That's the first thing.
466
00:22:53,904 --> 00:22:56,099
- How's that?
- Well, for instance,
467
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,367
if I say "Columbine,"
everybody knows what it means.
468
00:22:58,508 --> 00:23:04,606
I don't have to explain to you
that Columbine...
469
00:23:04,748 --> 00:23:07,444
- Is... What's wrong?
- Nothing, I just...
470
00:23:07,584 --> 00:23:09,711
- What's wrong?
- I-- I just...
471
00:23:09,853 --> 00:23:13,550
sometimes Columbine bothers me.
I'll be fine. Just a minute.
472
00:23:13,690 --> 00:23:16,250
- That's okay, that's okay.
- Um...
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00:23:20,364 --> 00:23:23,424
There...
there's something, um...
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00:23:25,369 --> 00:23:31,069
something overwhelming about
that kind of... viciousness,
475
00:23:31,208 --> 00:23:38,239
that kind of predatory action,
that kind of indiscriminate, uh,
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00:23:38,382 --> 00:23:40,782
killing.
477
00:23:42,019 --> 00:23:44,852
World's Largest Weapons Maker
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00:23:45,122 --> 00:23:47,249
- This facility,
where we're located right now...
479
00:23:47,391 --> 00:23:49,359
Evan McCollum
Lockheed Martin Public Relations
480
00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:51,527
and two other major facilities
where our employees work
481
00:23:51,595 --> 00:23:53,927
are either in
or very near Littleton.
482
00:23:54,064 --> 00:23:58,091
So we have over 5,000 employees
at these facilities,
483
00:23:58,235 --> 00:24:00,601
quite a number of whom
live in Littleton,
484
00:24:00,737 --> 00:24:03,467
many of whom have children who
attend Columbine High School.
485
00:24:03,607 --> 00:24:06,440
I suppose in one way you could
say that what happened
486
00:24:06,576 --> 00:24:08,840
at Columbine High School
is a microcosm, uh...
487
00:24:08,979 --> 00:24:12,039
of what happens
throughout the world.
488
00:24:12,182 --> 00:24:14,514
- You know the signs
that we see around here,
489
00:24:14,651 --> 00:24:16,448
the ones that say:
"We Are Columbine,"
490
00:24:16,586 --> 00:24:20,147
is that how you,
Lockheed Martin, feels,
491
00:24:20,290 --> 00:24:22,053
that you're the biggest employer
here in Littleton,
492
00:24:22,192 --> 00:24:24,057
you're the biggest weapons-
maker? "We Are Columbine."
493
00:24:24,194 --> 00:24:26,890
- I think we probably
embody that spirit,
494
00:24:27,030 --> 00:24:29,055
that, yeah, we're all members
of this community
495
00:24:29,199 --> 00:24:31,895
and that it behoves us to help
one another and to reach out
496
00:24:32,035 --> 00:24:33,400
to assist one another, yeah.
497
00:24:33,537 --> 00:24:35,562
- He told us that no one
in Littleton,
498
00:24:35,706 --> 00:24:37,071
including the executives
499
00:24:37,207 --> 00:24:40,404
at Lockheed, could figure out
why the boys at Columbine
500
00:24:40,544 --> 00:24:42,239
had resorted to violence.
501
00:24:42,379 --> 00:24:44,074
- Why would kids do this?
502
00:24:44,214 --> 00:24:48,913
Uh, some of the root of that
probably has to do
503
00:24:49,052 --> 00:24:51,919
with their anger
about various issues
504
00:24:52,055 --> 00:24:54,421
and we became aware of a program
505
00:24:54,558 --> 00:24:56,355
that provides
anger-management training.
506
00:24:56,493 --> 00:24:59,553
And so we made
a $100,000 contribution
507
00:24:59,696 --> 00:25:02,563
to the Jefferson County schools
to use this training
508
00:25:02,699 --> 00:25:06,601
in the schools. We hope to help
both teachers and students
509
00:25:06,737 --> 00:25:11,231
learn alternative ways
to deal with anger.
510
00:25:11,375 --> 00:25:13,707
- So you don't think our kids
say to themselves:
511
00:25:13,844 --> 00:25:15,402
"Well, gee, Dad goes off
512
00:25:15,545 --> 00:25:17,775
to the factory every day
and, you know,
513
00:25:17,914 --> 00:25:21,577
he built missiles." These
are weapons of mass destruction.
514
00:25:21,718 --> 00:25:23,709
What's the difference
between that mass destruction
515
00:25:23,854 --> 00:25:27,381
and the mass destruction
over at Columbine High School?
516
00:25:27,524 --> 00:25:29,355
- I guess I don't see
that connection,
517
00:25:29,493 --> 00:25:33,395
that specific connection,
because the missiles
518
00:25:33,530 --> 00:25:36,363
that you're talking about were
built and designed to defend us
519
00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:39,628
from somebody else who would be
aggressors against us.
520
00:25:39,770 --> 00:25:42,000
Societies and countries
and governments do things
521
00:25:42,139 --> 00:25:43,902
that annoy one another.
522
00:25:44,041 --> 00:25:47,704
But we have to learn
to deal with that annoyance
523
00:25:47,844 --> 00:25:51,143
or that anger or that
frustration in appropriate ways.
524
00:25:51,281 --> 00:25:52,942
We don't get irritated
with somebody
525
00:25:53,083 --> 00:25:54,948
and just 'cause we're mad
at them, uh,
526
00:25:55,085 --> 00:25:58,987
drop a bomb or shoot at them,
or fire a missile at them.
527
00:26:01,058 --> 00:26:02,525
[ What a Wonderful World
by Louis Armstrong ]
528
00:26:02,726 --> 00:26:07,390
1953: U.S. overthrows
Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran.
529
00:26:08,298 --> 00:26:11,995
U.S. installs Shah as dictator.
530
00:26:12,669 --> 00:26:15,866
1954: U.S. overthrows
democratically-elected
President Arbenz of Guatemala.
531
00:26:16,006 --> 00:26:17,803
200,000 civilians killed.
532
00:26:18,642 --> 00:26:23,170
1963: U.S. backs assassination of
South Vietnamese President Diem.
533
00:26:24,448 --> 00:26:28,646
1963-1975: American military kills
4 million people in Southeast Asia.
534
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:32,152
September 11, 1973:
U.S. stages coup in Chile.
535
00:26:32,289 --> 00:26:35,156
Democratically-elected President
Salvator Allende assassinated.
536
00:26:35,492 --> 00:26:38,427
Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed.
537
00:26:38,795 --> 00:26:41,195
5,000 Chileans murdered.
538
00:26:41,698 --> 00:26:44,929
1977: U.S. backs military rulers
of El Salvador.
539
00:26:45,569 --> 00:26:50,029
70,000 Salvadorans and
four American nuns killed.
540
00:26:51,975 --> 00:26:56,537
1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden
and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets.
541
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,116
CIA gives them $3 billion.
542
00:27:00,250 --> 00:27:06,280
1981: Reagan administration
trains and funds "contras".
30,000 Nicaraguans die.
543
00:27:08,125 --> 00:27:12,926
1982: U.S. provides billions in aid
to Saddam Hussein for weapons
to kill Iranians.
544
00:27:14,064 --> 00:27:18,023
1987: White House secretly gives
Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.
545
00:27:19,836 --> 00:27:24,637
1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega
(also serving as President of Panama)
disobeys orders from Washington.
546
00:27:26,176 --> 00:27:30,340
U.S. invades Panama
and removes Noriega.
547
00:27:31,515 --> 00:27:35,042
3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties.
548
00:27:35,552 --> 00:27:39,386
1990: Iraq invades Kuwait
with weapons from U.S.
549
00:27:39,523 --> 00:27:42,253
1991: U.S. enters Iraq.
550
00:27:42,392 --> 00:27:45,225
Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.
551
00:27:45,629 --> 00:27:49,759
1998: Clinton bombs
"weapons factory" in Sudan.
552
00:27:50,901 --> 00:27:53,665
Factory turns out
to be making aspirin.
553
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:57,904
1991 to present: American planes
bomb Iraq on a weekly basis.
554
00:27:58,041 --> 00:28:03,411
U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children
die from bombing and sanctions.
555
00:28:03,947 --> 00:28:09,943
2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled
Afghanistan $245 million in "aid."
556
00:28:10,820 --> 00:28:17,123
Sept.11, 2001: Osama bin Laden
uses his expert CIA training
to murder 3,000 people.
557
00:28:17,494 --> 00:28:19,462
[ end of What a Wonderful World ]
558
00:28:19,829 --> 00:28:23,856
[ screaming ]: Oh my goodness!
Oh my word!
559
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,525
Oh my word!
560
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:32,899
- South of Denver in Littleton,
on the grounds
561
00:28:33,043 --> 00:28:34,533
of the U.S. Air Force Academy,
562
00:28:34,678 --> 00:28:36,407
there sits
an actual B-52 bomber.
563
00:28:36,546 --> 00:28:39,538
The plaque underneath it
proudly proclaims
564
00:28:39,683 --> 00:28:42,174
that this plane
killed Vietnamese people
565
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:45,015
on Christmas eve, 1972.
566
00:28:45,155 --> 00:28:49,785
It was the largest bombing
campaign of the Vietnam War.
567
00:28:49,926 --> 00:28:51,757
Just outside Denver
is Rocky Flats
568
00:28:51,895 --> 00:28:53,658
the largest plutonium-
weapons-making factory
569
00:28:53,797 --> 00:28:55,162
in the world,
570
00:28:55,298 --> 00:28:58,756
and now a massive
radioactive dump.
571
00:28:58,902 --> 00:29:00,961
A few miles away,
buried inside a mountain,
572
00:29:01,104 --> 00:29:04,232
is NORAD, which oversees
our nuclear missiles,
573
00:29:04,374 --> 00:29:06,001
many of which dot
574
00:29:06,142 --> 00:29:07,769
the Colorado landscape.
575
00:29:11,147 --> 00:29:15,413
And once a month, Lockheed
transports one of its rockets,
576
00:29:15,552 --> 00:29:16,917
with its Pentagon payload,
577
00:29:17,053 --> 00:29:18,577
through the streets
of Littleton,
578
00:29:18,722 --> 00:29:20,917
passing nearby
Columbine High School
579
00:29:21,057 --> 00:29:23,025
on its way to an air-force base
580
00:29:23,159 --> 00:29:25,252
on the other side of Denver.
581
00:29:25,395 --> 00:29:28,091
The rockets are transported
in the middle of the night,
582
00:29:28,231 --> 00:29:33,669
while the children of Columbine
are asleep.
583
00:29:35,572 --> 00:29:37,540
[ gunfire ]
584
00:29:42,312 --> 00:29:45,907
Largest one day bombing by U.S.
in Kosovo war
585
00:29:46,082 --> 00:29:48,050
- Twenty-two NATO missiles
586
00:29:48,184 --> 00:29:50,709
fell on the village
of Bogutovac near Kraljevo.
587
00:29:50,854 --> 00:29:54,346
Deadly cargo was dropped
upon the residential part
588
00:29:54,491 --> 00:29:55,719
of the village.
589
00:29:55,859 --> 00:29:58,885
- We're striking hard at Serbia's
machinery of repression,
590
00:29:59,029 --> 00:30:00,792
while making
a deliberate effort
591
00:30:00,930 --> 00:30:03,398
to minimize harm
to innocent people.
592
00:30:03,533 --> 00:30:07,629
- On the hit list were a local
hospital and primary school.
593
00:30:09,272 --> 00:30:11,740
- We all know there has been
a terrible shooting
594
00:30:11,875 --> 00:30:14,810
at a high school
in Littleton, Colorado.
595
00:30:14,944 --> 00:30:18,471
I hope the American people will
be praying for the students,
596
00:30:18,615 --> 00:30:20,412
the parents and the teachers.
597
00:30:20,550 --> 00:30:23,041
And we'll wait
for events to unfold
598
00:30:23,186 --> 00:30:25,347
and then there'll be
more to say.
599
00:30:27,123 --> 00:30:28,454
- Jefferson County, 911.
600
00:30:28,692 --> 00:30:30,159
- There's some boy at Columbine
High School, someone killed...
601
00:30:30,393 --> 00:30:32,088
- Do you know
if anybody's injured?
602
00:30:32,195 --> 00:30:33,719
- Yes.
- They've got pipe bombs,
603
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:35,422
pipe bombs...
604
00:30:35,565 --> 00:30:37,192
- You're shitting me.
- I'm not.
605
00:30:37,334 --> 00:30:39,268
- Student hit in the spine
at Columbine.
606
00:30:39,402 --> 00:30:41,097
- Okay.
- We've got...
607
00:30:41,237 --> 00:30:43,171
- He's shot in the head.
- He's shot in the head?
608
00:30:43,306 --> 00:30:45,433
- Deputy cashier's office.
- We have automatic weapons,
609
00:30:45,575 --> 00:30:46,940
okay?
- Yes.
610
00:30:47,077 --> 00:30:49,602
- All right. Can you get us lots
and lots of paramedics?
611
00:30:49,746 --> 00:30:53,443
- So he's still under an attack?
- Yes, sir, the school is.
612
00:30:53,583 --> 00:30:56,108
- We got a couple of kids
out in the hall that are shot,
613
00:30:56,252 --> 00:30:59,119
so they're trying to get to
them. Do not let anybody else in
614
00:30:59,255 --> 00:31:02,053
until we tell them.
- Jefferson County 911.
615
00:31:02,192 --> 00:31:03,784
- Hi, it's Izzy Povich
at NBC News.
616
00:31:03,927 --> 00:31:05,758
We're calling about
the school shooting.
617
00:31:05,895 --> 00:31:08,455
We're on the air live
right now on MSNBC.
618
00:31:08,598 --> 00:31:11,066
Can you-- Is that something
you could just, literally,
619
00:31:11,201 --> 00:31:13,328
patch through to my desk,
620
00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:15,904
or you could tell us on the air?
I could put you through
621
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:17,404
right now--
- I understand that...
622
00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:19,405
- Now they said he's gone
to the library;
623
00:31:19,542 --> 00:31:20,907
he stayed in the building.
624
00:31:21,044 --> 00:31:23,239
He's gone into the library
and he's in the building.
625
00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:25,405
- Hi, this is Stephanie Gold
from Dateline. How you doing?
626
00:31:25,548 --> 00:31:27,072
- Good, how are you?
- Fine, thanks.
627
00:31:27,217 --> 00:31:29,742
- I love your show.
- Oh, I'm so glad. Thank you.
628
00:31:29,886 --> 00:31:32,377
- I watch it every night.
- Thank you.
629
00:31:32,522 --> 00:31:35,252
- Jefferson County 911.
- Yes, I'm a teacher
630
00:31:35,392 --> 00:31:38,691
at Columbine High School. There
is a shooter here with a gun.
631
00:31:38,828 --> 00:31:41,422
He just shot out a window.
- Has anybody been injured?
632
00:31:41,564 --> 00:31:44,931
- Yes! And the school
is in a panic
633
00:31:45,068 --> 00:31:48,435
and I'm in the library.
I've got students down.
634
00:31:48,571 --> 00:31:50,266
Under the tables, kids!
635
00:31:50,407 --> 00:31:52,773
Heads under the tables!
I saw a student outside!
636
00:31:52,909 --> 00:31:55,002
Okay,
637
00:31:55,145 --> 00:31:57,943
I was on hall duty, I saw a gun!
"What's going on out there?!"
638
00:31:58,081 --> 00:32:00,777
He turned the gun straight at us
and he shot, and my God,
639
00:32:00,917 --> 00:32:02,282
the window went out.
640
00:32:02,419 --> 00:32:05,013
The kid standing there with me,
I think he got hit.
641
00:32:05,155 --> 00:32:06,520
- We've got help on the way,
ma'am.
642
00:32:06,656 --> 00:32:08,351
- Oh God!
- Stay on line with me.
643
00:32:08,491 --> 00:32:12,086
- Oh God!
[ gunfire ]
644
00:32:12,228 --> 00:32:14,526
- I think he's shooting
in the library right now.
645
00:32:14,664 --> 00:32:17,360
He's firing shots
from the library.
646
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:19,127
- Firing shots in the library.
- ...our way.
647
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:21,965
Do we need to leave?
Okay, hold on.
648
00:32:22,105 --> 00:32:24,198
- ...inside the cafeteria
649
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:27,104
I'm gonna have to try and get
outta here and call you back.
650
00:32:27,243 --> 00:32:29,541
- I called in before,
trying to find out
651
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:32,045
where I'm supposed to go
and they put me on hold
652
00:32:32,182 --> 00:32:35,049
for freaking ever!
- Hi, it's Wendy at CNN still.
653
00:32:35,185 --> 00:32:38,120
- Hi. We're just taking names
and numbers for the press.
654
00:32:38,254 --> 00:32:41,712
- Fox has somebody from
your office on now--
655
00:32:41,858 --> 00:32:43,382
- We've talked to
a bunch of people
656
00:32:43,526 --> 00:32:44,993
and we can only do so many,
657
00:32:45,128 --> 00:32:47,062
we got so many more calls
coming in.
658
00:32:47,197 --> 00:32:49,028
- I gotta get to my daughter
at Columbine.
659
00:32:49,165 --> 00:32:51,998
I've been trying for an hour, I
can't get anywhere near there...
660
00:32:52,135 --> 00:32:53,727
- Sir, okay, calm down, okay?
661
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:56,065
- I think we're entitled
to information as parents
662
00:32:56,206 --> 00:32:59,175
on where our children are!
- We have a lot of units
663
00:32:59,309 --> 00:33:01,436
out there right now.
- I can't get anywhere near it.
664
00:33:01,578 --> 00:33:02,408
I wanna find out
665
00:33:02,545 --> 00:33:04,445
how to get in touch
with my daughter.
666
00:33:04,581 --> 00:33:07,311
How do I get information
on my daughter?
667
00:33:07,450 --> 00:33:08,974
- I don't have that information
right now--
668
00:33:09,118 --> 00:33:11,245
- Why in the hell not?
It's been over an hour!
669
00:33:11,387 --> 00:33:12,752
- My son is Eric Harris,
670
00:33:12,889 --> 00:33:14,914
and I'm afraid
that he might be involved
671
00:33:15,058 --> 00:33:16,719
with the shooting
at Columbine High School.
672
00:33:16,860 --> 00:33:18,760
- Involved how?
673
00:33:18,895 --> 00:33:21,921
- He's a member of what they're
calling the "trench-coat mafia."
674
00:33:22,065 --> 00:33:24,260
- Have you spoken to your son?
- No, I haven't.
675
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,561
Have they picked up anybody yet?
- They're still looking
676
00:33:26,703 --> 00:33:30,195
for suspects. Your son
is with who? What gang?
677
00:33:30,340 --> 00:33:33,537
- They call them the "trench-coat
mafia". I just heard that term
678
00:33:33,676 --> 00:33:35,576
on TV.
- Stay low, because if you try
679
00:33:35,712 --> 00:33:37,737
to leave, I don't want you
to get shot.
680
00:33:37,881 --> 00:33:39,280
Stay very low and quiet.
681
00:33:39,415 --> 00:33:41,110
Low and quiet...
682
00:33:45,021 --> 00:33:48,047
- Everybody just stay quiet.
683
00:34:01,037 --> 00:34:04,438
- When the shooting was over,
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
684
00:34:04,574 --> 00:34:08,601
had killed 12 students
and one teacher.
685
00:34:08,745 --> 00:34:12,306
Dozens of others were wounded
by the over-900 rounds of ammo
686
00:34:12,448 --> 00:34:14,973
that were fired. It is believed
that the guns that they used
687
00:34:15,118 --> 00:34:18,554
were all legally purchased
at stores and gun shows.
688
00:34:18,688 --> 00:34:20,747
And many of the bullets
were bought
689
00:34:20,890 --> 00:34:24,257
at the Littleton K-Mart
just down the street.
690
00:34:24,394 --> 00:34:26,794
- Harris's diary also detailed
ideas about hijacking
691
00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:29,558
an airplane and crashing it
into New York City.
692
00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:32,099
Some may characterize that
as fantasy...
693
00:34:32,235 --> 00:34:37,605
- In the end, they turned
the guns on themselves.
694
00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:39,970
- And then he came
into the library,
695
00:34:40,109 --> 00:34:43,601
shot everybody around me,
then put a gun to my head
696
00:34:43,746 --> 00:34:46,647
and asked if we all wanted
to die and...
697
00:34:46,783 --> 00:34:48,808
- We started hearing shots
in the hall
698
00:34:48,952 --> 00:34:51,352
and then they came in
and they all told us
699
00:34:51,487 --> 00:34:54,012
to get under the desk
and we all got under the desk
700
00:34:54,157 --> 00:34:58,150
and then they started coming in
the library and opening fire...
701
00:34:58,294 --> 00:35:00,819
- I just started screaming
and crying and telling them
702
00:35:00,964 --> 00:35:04,229
not to shoot me.
And so he shot the girl,
703
00:35:04,367 --> 00:35:07,097
he shot her in the head
in front of me.
704
00:35:07,236 --> 00:35:11,502
Then he shot the black kid,
because he was black.
705
00:35:14,243 --> 00:35:16,507
- I have only five words for you:
706
00:35:16,613 --> 00:35:19,207
From my cold, dead hands.
707
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:22,011
[ cheering ]
708
00:35:22,151 --> 00:35:23,812
- Just 10 days after
the Columbine killings,
709
00:35:23,953 --> 00:35:25,352
despite the pleas
710
00:35:25,488 --> 00:35:28,013
of a community in mourning,
711
00:35:28,157 --> 00:35:31,320
Charlton Heston came to Denver
and held a large pro-gun rally
712
00:35:31,461 --> 00:35:33,361
for the National
Rifle Association.
713
00:35:33,496 --> 00:35:36,829
- Good morning.
[ crowd ]: Good morning.
714
00:35:36,966 --> 00:35:38,331
Thank you all
715
00:35:38,468 --> 00:35:43,064
for coming and thank you for
supporting your organization.
716
00:35:43,206 --> 00:35:46,835
I also want to applaud your
courage in coming here today.
717
00:35:46,976 --> 00:35:51,345
I have a message
from the mayor,
718
00:35:51,481 --> 00:35:53,176
Mr. Wellington Webb,
the mayor of Denver.
719
00:35:53,316 --> 00:35:54,681
[ booing ]
720
00:35:54,817 --> 00:35:57,581
- No, no, no, no, no.
721
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:00,746
He sent me this,
722
00:36:00,890 --> 00:36:04,849
and it says: "Don't come here.
We don't want you here."
723
00:36:04,994 --> 00:36:08,930
I said to the mayor,
"This is our country.
724
00:36:09,065 --> 00:36:12,660
As Americans we're free
to travel wherever we want
725
00:36:12,802 --> 00:36:15,771
in our broad land."
[ applause ]
726
00:36:24,013 --> 00:36:27,881
Don't come here?
We're already here.
727
00:36:28,017 --> 00:36:29,746
[ cheering ]
728
00:36:34,991 --> 00:36:37,459
- I am here today...
729
00:36:37,593 --> 00:36:41,085
because my son Daniel
would want me to be here today.
730
00:36:51,941 --> 00:36:55,570
If my son Daniel
was not one of the victims,
731
00:36:55,712 --> 00:36:58,476
he would be here with me today.
732
00:37:03,086 --> 00:37:06,920
Something is wrong
in this country...
733
00:37:07,056 --> 00:37:09,581
when a child...
734
00:37:09,726 --> 00:37:14,186
can grab a gun...
grab a gun so easily...
735
00:37:14,330 --> 00:37:16,730
and shoot a bullet...
736
00:37:19,836 --> 00:37:24,899
into the middle of a child's
face, as my son experienced.
737
00:37:26,509 --> 00:37:27,908
Something is wrong.
738
00:37:28,044 --> 00:37:32,913
But the time has come
to come to understand
739
00:37:33,049 --> 00:37:37,383
that a Tech-9 semi-automatic
30-bullet weapon
740
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,114
like that that killed my son,
741
00:37:40,256 --> 00:37:42,383
is not used to kill deer.
742
00:37:42,525 --> 00:37:46,120
It has no useful purpose.
743
00:37:46,262 --> 00:37:49,595
It is time to address
this problem.
744
00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:55,395
- We have work to do,
hearts to heal,
745
00:37:55,538 --> 00:37:58,632
evil to defeat
and a country to unite.
746
00:37:58,775 --> 00:38:00,743
We may have differences, yes,
747
00:38:00,877 --> 00:38:04,904
and we will again suffer tragedy
almost beyond description.
748
00:38:05,047 --> 00:38:07,675
But when the sun sets
on Denver tonight,
749
00:38:07,817 --> 00:38:13,016
and forever more, let it
always set on we the people,
750
00:38:13,156 --> 00:38:17,855
secure in our land of the free
and home of the brave.
751
00:38:17,994 --> 00:38:21,361
I, for one, plan to do my part.
752
00:38:21,497 --> 00:38:23,021
Thank you.
753
00:38:23,166 --> 00:38:25,896
[ cheering and clapping ]
754
00:38:26,035 --> 00:38:27,696
- Or like when they had
their convention in Colorado,
755
00:38:30,506 --> 00:38:31,837
a week, whatever,
the month after Columbine,
756
00:38:31,941 --> 00:38:33,203
that was just stupid.
Just don't do that.
757
00:38:33,342 --> 00:38:35,970
Of course you have "the right
to," but what are you doing?
758
00:38:36,112 --> 00:38:38,876
Upsetting a whole city full of
people, why would you do that?
759
00:38:39,015 --> 00:38:42,212
- This is Matt Stone.
He grew up in Littleton
760
00:38:42,351 --> 00:38:44,546
and has fond memories
of Columbine.
761
00:38:44,687 --> 00:38:47,053
- Yeah, Columbine,
it's just a crappy school
762
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:49,215
in the middle of a bunch
of crappy houses.
763
00:38:49,358 --> 00:38:51,326
- Matt and his friend
Trey Parker
764
00:38:51,460 --> 00:38:53,087
found a way to take out
765
00:38:53,229 --> 00:38:56,164
their anger of being different
in Littleton
766
00:38:56,299 --> 00:39:02,135
and turn it not into carnage,
but into a cartoon.
767
00:39:02,271 --> 00:39:07,538
"Just another Sunday morning
In my quiet...
768
00:39:07,677 --> 00:39:09,804
"Mountain town"
769
00:39:09,946 --> 00:39:12,312
[ music ]
770
00:39:12,448 --> 00:39:15,246
"You can see your breath
Hanging in the air
771
00:39:15,384 --> 00:39:17,511
"You see homeless people
But you just don't care
772
00:39:17,653 --> 00:39:21,020
"It's a sea of smiles
In which we'd be glad to drown
773
00:39:21,157 --> 00:39:23,648
"It's Sunday morning
In our quiet little
774
00:39:23,793 --> 00:39:25,954
"White-bread redneck
mountain town"
775
00:39:26,095 --> 00:39:28,029
- Columbine is a normal
high school--
776
00:39:28,164 --> 00:39:29,756
- Yeah.
- ...in a normal suburb--
777
00:39:29,899 --> 00:39:31,264
- Yeah.
- ...you know, basically.
778
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,095
- Yeah. Painfully, painfully,
painfully normal.
779
00:39:33,236 --> 00:39:36,262
Just absolutely, painfully,
horribly average.
780
00:39:36,405 --> 00:39:39,135
Littleton in general is...
781
00:39:39,275 --> 00:39:42,608
I remember being in sixth grade
and I...
782
00:39:42,745 --> 00:39:45,111
had to take the math test
to get into Honors Math
783
00:39:45,248 --> 00:39:47,113
in the seventh grade.
And they're, like,
784
00:39:47,250 --> 00:39:49,445
"Don't screw this up.
Because if you screw this up,
785
00:39:49,585 --> 00:39:51,610
you won't get into Honors Math
in seventh grade.
786
00:39:51,754 --> 00:39:53,779
And if you don't get in
in seventh grade,
787
00:39:53,923 --> 00:39:56,118
you won't in eighth grade,
then not in ninth grade.
788
00:39:56,259 --> 00:39:58,454
And 10th and 11th grade
and you'll just die poor
789
00:39:58,594 --> 00:40:00,061
and lonely."
And that's it, you know?
790
00:40:00,196 --> 00:40:05,133
You believe, in high school -
and a lot of it is kids,
791
00:40:05,268 --> 00:40:07,463
but the teachers and counsellors
and principals
792
00:40:07,603 --> 00:40:12,063
don't help things.
They scare you into conforming
793
00:40:12,208 --> 00:40:15,075
and doing good in school by
saying: "If you're a loser now,
794
00:40:15,211 --> 00:40:16,906
you're gonna be a loser
forever."
795
00:40:17,046 --> 00:40:19,241
So that with Eric and Dylan,
people called them "fag."
796
00:40:19,382 --> 00:40:20,747
They're like, "You know what?
797
00:40:20,883 --> 00:40:22,908
If I'm a fag,
now I'm a fag forever."
798
00:40:23,052 --> 00:40:25,543
And you wish someone just
could've grabbed them and gone,
799
00:40:25,688 --> 00:40:27,918
"Dude, high school's
not the end of...
800
00:40:28,057 --> 00:40:30,617
A year, a year and a half,
was it? I don't even know.
801
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,593
You just move out--
- No, no, they were two weeks
802
00:40:33,729 --> 00:40:36,755
away from graduation.
- Yeah, you're done.
803
00:40:36,899 --> 00:40:39,265
It's amazing how fast you lose
touch with all those people.
804
00:40:39,402 --> 00:40:42,269
They just beat it in your head
as early as sixth grade:
805
00:40:42,405 --> 00:40:44,100
"Don't fuck up.
'Cause if you do,
806
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:45,764
you're gonna die poor
and lonely.
807
00:40:45,908 --> 00:40:47,933
You don't want to do that."
You're, like, "Fuck,
808
00:40:48,077 --> 00:40:50,102
whatever I am now,
I'm that forever." Of course,
809
00:40:50,246 --> 00:40:52,441
it's completely opposite.
All the dorks in high school
810
00:40:52,581 --> 00:40:54,947
go on to do great things
and all the really cool guys
811
00:40:55,084 --> 00:40:58,110
are all living back in
Littleton as insurance agents.
812
00:40:58,254 --> 00:41:01,121
Almost person to person,
it's completely that way.
813
00:41:01,257 --> 00:41:03,418
If somebody
could've told them that,
814
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:05,857
maybe they would've
have done it, but...
815
00:41:05,995 --> 00:41:07,963
- I guess we'll never know
why they did it,
816
00:41:08,097 --> 00:41:10,031
but one thing adults
should never forget:
817
00:41:10,166 --> 00:41:12,726
It still sucks
being a teenager.
818
00:41:12,868 --> 00:41:15,029
And it really sucks
going to school.
819
00:41:15,171 --> 00:41:16,570
- What's your view
on high school?
820
00:41:16,706 --> 00:41:18,071
- Uh, I love it.
821
00:41:18,207 --> 00:41:20,175
Columbine Student Video
822
00:41:20,376 --> 00:41:22,901
Uh, I learn, I get picked on
by bastards who hate me,
823
00:41:23,045 --> 00:41:25,673
and the principal's a dick.
824
00:41:25,815 --> 00:41:27,942
- All right.
What causes school violence?
825
00:41:28,084 --> 00:41:30,075
- Uh... him.
826
00:41:30,219 --> 00:41:33,382
- Him?
- Yeah.
827
00:41:33,522 --> 00:41:36,423
- Yes, and after Columbine,
it really sucked
828
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:38,083
being a student in America.
829
00:41:38,227 --> 00:41:40,354
[ TV news ]:
Since last spring's shooting,
830
00:41:40,496 --> 00:41:42,760
at Columbine High,
schools nationwide
831
00:41:42,898 --> 00:41:44,866
have extended
zero-tolerance policies,
832
00:41:45,001 --> 00:41:47,595
suspending and expelling
students for all kinds
833
00:41:47,737 --> 00:41:50,433
of behaviour considered unruly,
834
00:41:50,573 --> 00:41:53,098
or warning signs
of violence to come.
835
00:41:53,242 --> 00:41:55,938
This second-grader in Illinois
was suspended for 10 days
836
00:41:56,078 --> 00:41:57,773
for bringing a nail clipper
to class
837
00:41:57,913 --> 00:41:59,608
"That's a weapon,"
his school said.
838
00:41:59,749 --> 00:42:01,842
- An elementary school
suspended a first-grader
839
00:42:01,984 --> 00:42:04,282
for pointing a chicken strip
at a teacher in the cafeteria.
840
00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:07,014
The eight-year-old
was fooling around with a friend
841
00:42:07,156 --> 00:42:10,057
at lunch last week when he
pointed a breaded-chicken finger
842
00:42:10,192 --> 00:42:12,285
at a teacher and then said:
"Pow pow.
843
00:42:12,428 --> 00:42:14,623
- He pointed a folded piece
of paper shaped like a gun,
844
00:42:14,764 --> 00:42:16,959
and told his classmates
he was going to kill them
845
00:42:17,099 --> 00:42:19,294
during a game
of cops and robbers.
846
00:42:19,435 --> 00:42:22,302
- If this isn't a warning sign,
then what is it?
847
00:42:22,438 --> 00:42:24,565
- This Virginia high-school
student spent a month
848
00:42:24,707 --> 00:42:26,197
out of classes,
originally sent home
849
00:42:26,342 --> 00:42:29,038
for dying his hair blue.
- A high-school honour student
850
00:42:29,178 --> 00:42:31,237
from Michigan could be expelled
later today
851
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:32,813
in a school-board hearing.
852
00:42:32,948 --> 00:42:35,416
Seventeen-year-old Jeremy Hicks
wore a Scottish
853
00:42:35,551 --> 00:42:39,214
bagpiper's outfit to his junior
prom that included
854
00:42:39,355 --> 00:42:42,756
a plaid kilt, a feathered hat
and a traditional knife
855
00:42:42,892 --> 00:42:44,655
known as a "skein dhu."
856
00:42:44,794 --> 00:42:46,318
- This T-shirt
857
00:42:46,462 --> 00:42:47,929
landed a high-school student
in court.
858
00:42:48,064 --> 00:42:50,157
She wanted to start
an anarchy club.
859
00:42:50,299 --> 00:42:52,426
- The little time-bombs
that are out there ticking,
860
00:42:52,568 --> 00:42:55,435
waiting to go off. And there are
many of them in every community.
861
00:42:55,571 --> 00:42:57,937
- Students in at least seven
different states
862
00:42:58,074 --> 00:42:59,632
have been suspended or arrested
863
00:42:59,775 --> 00:43:03,176
for talking about or planning
plots of their own.
864
00:43:03,312 --> 00:43:04,939
- It's almost
like guerrilla warfare.
865
00:43:05,081 --> 00:43:07,049
You don't know
from which direction
866
00:43:07,149 --> 00:43:08,480
the enemy will be coming.
867
00:43:11,287 --> 00:43:12,618
Marketing video from
Garrett Metal Detectors
868
00:43:12,721 --> 00:43:13,949
- Having a well-conceived
and strictly enforced dress code
869
00:43:14,023 --> 00:43:15,422
can dramatically improve
the safety of a school,
870
00:43:15,558 --> 00:43:17,617
and can ensure a positive
learning environment
871
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,125
for everyone.
872
00:43:19,261 --> 00:43:21,525
As this student's appearance
demonstrates,
873
00:43:21,664 --> 00:43:24,724
having a lax policy about dress
makes it easy
874
00:43:24,867 --> 00:43:26,698
for a student
to conceal a weapon
875
00:43:26,836 --> 00:43:30,602
and makes it difficult
to identify intruders on campus.
876
00:43:30,739 --> 00:43:33,401
A dress code can reduce
weapons violations,
877
00:43:33,542 --> 00:43:38,002
relieve tensions between gangs,
reduce disciplinary infractions
878
00:43:38,147 --> 00:43:40,945
and generally improve
the atmosphere of the school.
879
00:43:41,083 --> 00:43:44,314
Our policy requires that
students tuck in their shirts,
880
00:43:44,453 --> 00:43:47,217
making the beltline visible
at all times.
881
00:43:47,356 --> 00:43:49,586
Our students may not wear
baggy pants
882
00:43:49,725 --> 00:43:52,751
or colours or insignias
that are commonly associated
883
00:43:52,895 --> 00:43:54,590
with gang activity.
884
00:43:54,730 --> 00:43:57,528
This policy
was a collaborative effort.
885
00:43:57,666 --> 00:44:01,124
- Yes, our children were indeed
something to fear.
886
00:44:03,339 --> 00:44:06,502
They had turned
into little monsters.
887
00:44:06,642 --> 00:44:08,837
But who was to blame?
888
00:44:08,978 --> 00:44:10,411
All the experts had an answer.
889
00:44:10,546 --> 00:44:14,073
- Angry, heavy-metal subculture.
890
00:44:14,216 --> 00:44:16,582
- Where were the parents?
- Violent movies.
891
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,984
- "South Park." - Video games.
- Television. - Entertainment.
892
00:44:20,122 --> 00:44:22,716
- Satan. - Cartoons.
- Films. - Society. - Toy guns.
893
00:44:22,858 --> 00:44:25,759
- Drugs.
- Shock-rocker Marilyn Manson.
894
00:44:25,895 --> 00:44:28,830
[ all ]: Marilyn Manson.
895
00:44:28,964 --> 00:44:31,558
- Marilyn Manson has cancelled
the last five dates
896
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:35,067
of his U.S, tour out of respect
for those lost in Littleton.
897
00:44:35,204 --> 00:44:37,604
But the singer
says artists like himself
898
00:44:37,740 --> 00:44:39,605
are not the ones to blame.
899
00:44:41,677 --> 00:44:43,440
- This is perhaps
the sickest group ever promoted
900
00:44:43,546 --> 00:44:46,276
by a mainstream record company.
901
00:44:46,415 --> 00:44:48,508
"I'm not a slave
902
00:44:48,651 --> 00:44:50,175
"to a god
903
00:44:50,319 --> 00:44:53,015
"that doesn't exist"
904
00:44:53,155 --> 00:44:54,918
- After Columbine, it seemed
905
00:44:55,057 --> 00:44:57,491
that the entire focus
on why the shootings occurred
906
00:44:57,626 --> 00:44:58,888
was because the killers
907
00:44:59,028 --> 00:45:01,258
listened to Marilyn Manson.
908
00:45:01,397 --> 00:45:03,262
Two years after Columbine,
909
00:45:03,399 --> 00:45:05,594
Manson finally returned
to Denver.
910
00:45:05,734 --> 00:45:07,565
- The Oz Fest
at Mile High Stadium
911
00:45:07,703 --> 00:45:09,898
brings shock-rocker Marilyn
Manson to Denver tomorrow.
912
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:13,304
- There were protests
from the religious right.
913
00:45:13,442 --> 00:45:15,535
But I thought I'd go
and talk with him myself.
914
00:45:15,678 --> 00:45:18,078
- When I was a kid growing up,
music was the escape.
915
00:45:18,214 --> 00:45:20,079
That's the only thing
916
00:45:20,216 --> 00:45:24,050
that had no judgements.
You can put on a record
917
00:45:24,186 --> 00:45:27,485
and it's not gonna yell at you
for dressing the way you do.
918
00:45:27,623 --> 00:45:29,818
It's gonna make you
feel better about it.
919
00:45:29,959 --> 00:45:33,156
- Some will be so brash
to ask if we believe
920
00:45:33,295 --> 00:45:35,490
that all who hear Manson
tomorrow night
921
00:45:35,631 --> 00:45:37,861
will go out
and commit violent acts.
922
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,992
The answer is "no."
But does everybody
923
00:45:41,136 --> 00:45:44,071
who watches a Lexus ad
go and buy a Lexus?
924
00:45:44,206 --> 00:45:46,333
No. But a few do.
925
00:45:46,475 --> 00:45:49,774
- I definitely can see
why they would pick me,
926
00:45:49,912 --> 00:45:53,313
because I think it's easy
to throw my face on a TV,
927
00:45:53,449 --> 00:45:57,977
because I'm, in the end,
sort of a poster boy for fear.
928
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,453
Because I represent
what everyone's afraid of,
929
00:46:01,590 --> 00:46:03,854
because I do and say
what I want.
930
00:46:03,993 --> 00:46:07,087
- If Marilyn Manson can walk
into our town and promote hate,
931
00:46:07,229 --> 00:46:10,096
violence, suicide,
death, drug use
932
00:46:10,232 --> 00:46:12,029
and Columbine-like behaviour,
933
00:46:12,167 --> 00:46:15,364
I can say, "Not without
a fight, you can't."
934
00:46:15,504 --> 00:46:20,999
- The two by-products of
that whole tragedy were, uh...
935
00:46:21,143 --> 00:46:23,611
violence in entertainment
and gun control.
936
00:46:23,746 --> 00:46:26,874
And how perfect that
that was the two things
937
00:46:27,016 --> 00:46:29,041
that we were gonna talk about
with the upcoming election.
938
00:46:29,184 --> 00:46:31,550
And also, then we forgot
about Monica Lewinsky
939
00:46:31,687 --> 00:46:33,552
and we forgot about...
940
00:46:33,689 --> 00:46:36,055
The president was shooting
bombs overseas,
941
00:46:36,191 --> 00:46:42,061
yet I'm a bad guy because I sing
some rock'n'roll songs.
942
00:46:42,197 --> 00:46:45,064
And who's a bigger influence,
the president or Marilyn Manson?
943
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,828
I'd like to think me, but I'm
gonna go with the president.
944
00:46:47,970 --> 00:46:50,063
- Do you know the day
that Columbine happened,
945
00:46:50,205 --> 00:46:52,571
the United States dropped
more bombs on Kosovo
946
00:46:52,708 --> 00:46:54,573
than any other time
during that war?
947
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:57,008
- I do know that and I think
that's really ironic,
948
00:46:57,146 --> 00:47:01,082
that nobody said, "Well, maybe
the president had an influence
949
00:47:01,216 --> 00:47:03,081
on this violent behaviour.
950
00:47:03,218 --> 00:47:05,413
Because that's not the way
the media wants to take it
951
00:47:05,554 --> 00:47:07,545
and spin it
and turn it into fear.
952
00:47:07,690 --> 00:47:09,555
'Cause then you're
watching television,
953
00:47:09,692 --> 00:47:12,525
you're watching the news; you're
being pumped full of fear.
954
00:47:12,661 --> 00:47:15,221
And there's floods,
there's AIDS, there's murder.
955
00:47:15,364 --> 00:47:19,027
You cut to commercial,
buy the Acura, buy the Colgate.
956
00:47:19,168 --> 00:47:21,534
If you have bad breath,
they're not gonna talk to you.
957
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:24,366
If you got pimples,
the girl's not gonna fuck you.
958
00:47:24,506 --> 00:47:28,909
It's a campaign of fear
and consumption.
959
00:47:29,044 --> 00:47:31,035
And that's what I think
that's it's all based on,
960
00:47:31,180 --> 00:47:33,842
is the whole idea that:
keep everyone afraid,
961
00:47:33,982 --> 00:47:37,383
and they'll consume.
And that's really as simple
962
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:39,749
as it can be boiled down to.
- Right.
963
00:47:39,888 --> 00:47:42,049
If you were to talk directly
to the kids at Columbine
964
00:47:42,191 --> 00:47:44,056
and the people
in that community,
965
00:47:44,193 --> 00:47:46,559
what would you say to them,
if they here right now?
966
00:47:46,695 --> 00:47:48,560
- I wouldn't say
a single word to them.
967
00:47:48,697 --> 00:47:50,562
I would listen to what
they have to say.
968
00:47:50,699 --> 00:47:53,327
And that's what no one did.
969
00:47:53,469 --> 00:47:56,063
- I'm Nicole Shleif.
- And I'm Amanda Lamontagne.
970
00:47:56,205 --> 00:47:58,173
- And you went to Columbine?
- Yes.
971
00:47:58,307 --> 00:48:00,400
- And you were with
Eric and Dylan?
972
00:48:00,542 --> 00:48:02,407
In their class?
- Yeah,
973
00:48:02,544 --> 00:48:05,069
we were in their bowling class.
- In their bowling class?
974
00:48:05,214 --> 00:48:07,079
- Yes.
- What's bowling class?
975
00:48:07,216 --> 00:48:10,913
- Just an elective you can
take for a gym credit.
976
00:48:11,053 --> 00:48:13,544
- Where's the educational value
of this, though?
977
00:48:16,158 --> 00:48:18,023
- Um... I guess
there isn't really any.
978
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,025
- No, there's not.
979
00:48:20,162 --> 00:48:24,292
- I learned how to bowl a lot
better, that's for sure.
980
00:48:24,433 --> 00:48:26,526
- What were Eric Harris
and Dylan Klebold like?
981
00:48:26,668 --> 00:48:28,533
- Weird.
- Yeah?
982
00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:30,535
- I mean, not very social.
983
00:48:30,672 --> 00:48:32,537
- I didn't really know
who they were.
984
00:48:32,674 --> 00:48:36,166
- Not very social, just
kinda kept to themselves.
985
00:48:36,311 --> 00:48:38,643
- How good a bowlers
were Eric and Dylan?
986
00:48:38,781 --> 00:48:41,113
- When we played them,
987
00:48:41,250 --> 00:48:43,548
all I remember is they
were just, like, crazy.
988
00:48:43,685 --> 00:48:45,949
They would just chuck the ball.
- Chuck it down there.
989
00:48:46,088 --> 00:48:49,057
- Throw the ball down; didn't
really care how they bowled.
990
00:48:49,191 --> 00:48:51,352
- Yeah, they didn't really
care about their scores.
991
00:48:51,493 --> 00:48:53,461
Deputy Sheriff Steve Davis - What were
the suspects doing the morning of attack?
992
00:48:53,529 --> 00:48:55,190
I told you that I'd heard
that they were bowling;
993
00:48:55,330 --> 00:48:57,093
that's the only thing
I'm aware of.
994
00:48:57,232 --> 00:49:00,065
- So did Dylan and Eric
show up that morning
995
00:49:00,202 --> 00:49:02,261
and bowl two games
before moving on
996
00:49:02,404 --> 00:49:04,269
to shoot up the school?
997
00:49:04,406 --> 00:49:06,738
And did they just chuck
the balls down the lane?
998
00:49:06,875 --> 00:49:08,740
Did this mean something?
999
00:49:08,877 --> 00:49:11,903
- Um, I guess they went
to their favourite class.
1000
00:49:14,016 --> 00:49:15,540
- Why wasn't anyone
blaming bowling
1001
00:49:15,684 --> 00:49:16,844
for warping the minds
of Eric and Dylan
1002
00:49:16,952 --> 00:49:18,647
to commit their evil deeds?
1003
00:49:18,787 --> 00:49:23,156
Wasn't that just as plausible
as blaming Marilyn Manson?
1004
00:49:23,292 --> 00:49:25,192
After all,
1005
00:49:25,327 --> 00:49:27,192
it was apparently
the last thing they did
1006
00:49:27,329 --> 00:49:29,991
before the massacre.
1007
00:49:30,132 --> 00:49:32,862
But wait a minute. There's
lots of bowling going on
1008
00:49:33,001 --> 00:49:36,493
in other countries.
1009
00:49:36,638 --> 00:49:39,004
And don't they listen
to Marilyn Manson in Germany,
1010
00:49:39,141 --> 00:49:41,075
the home of sinister
Goth music?
1011
00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:43,337
- Some Gothic festival.
"Ah"
1012
00:49:43,479 --> 00:49:46,812
- Don't they watch the same
violent movies in France?
1013
00:49:50,786 --> 00:49:53,584
Most of the violent video
games are from Japan.
1014
00:49:56,225 --> 00:49:57,522
Many people in America believe
1015
00:49:57,659 --> 00:50:00,093
that it's the break-up
of the family unit
1016
00:50:00,229 --> 00:50:02,129
that's caused so many wayward
youth to turn to violence.
1017
00:50:02,264 --> 00:50:04,630
- I'll save you the trouble.
I'll run away and kill myself!
1018
00:50:04,766 --> 00:50:07,132
How would you like that?
You can't keep me here!
1019
00:50:07,269 --> 00:50:08,759
- But statistics show
1020
00:50:08,904 --> 00:50:10,997
that there are more
broken homes and divorce
1021
00:50:11,139 --> 00:50:12,834
in Great Britain
than in the U.S.
1022
00:50:12,975 --> 00:50:16,672
- It's official:
Fergie's marriage has ended.
1023
00:50:16,812 --> 00:50:20,407
- Liberals contend that it's all
the poverty we have in America
1024
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:22,346
that causes all this violence.
1025
00:50:22,484 --> 00:50:24,577
But the unemployment rate
in Canada
1026
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,587
is twice what it is here.
Of course, most people say
1027
00:50:27,723 --> 00:50:30,487
it's because we Americans
have a violent history,
1028
00:50:30,626 --> 00:50:32,856
a violent past.
Cowboys and Indians,
1029
00:50:32,995 --> 00:50:35,020
the Wild West,
1030
00:50:35,163 --> 00:50:37,097
a history of conquering
and bloodshed.
1031
00:50:37,232 --> 00:50:39,097
Well, if that's all
it takes to end up
1032
00:50:39,234 --> 00:50:41,464
with such a violent society
1033
00:50:41,603 --> 00:50:43,503
like we have in America,
how do you explain this?
1034
00:50:44,306 --> 00:50:46,706
GERMANS EXTERMINATE 12 MILLION
1035
00:50:48,944 --> 00:50:51,037
JAPANESE OCCUPATION OF CHINA
1036
00:50:54,683 --> 00:50:57,777
FRENCH MASSACRE IN ALGIERS
1037
00:51:00,756 --> 00:51:03,589
BRITISH SLAUGHTER IN INDIA
1038
00:51:05,027 --> 00:51:07,018
Yet in spite of all this,
1039
00:51:07,162 --> 00:51:08,527
how many people are killed
by guns each year?
1040
00:51:10,632 --> 00:51:12,725
In Germany:
1041
00:51:14,469 --> 00:51:16,130
In France:
1042
00:51:19,107 --> 00:51:21,405
In Canada:
1043
00:51:24,179 --> 00:51:26,147
In the United Kingdom:
1044
00:51:29,117 --> 00:51:31,142
In Australia:
1045
00:51:33,722 --> 00:51:34,950
In Japan:
1046
00:51:37,759 --> 00:51:39,659
In the United States:
1047
00:51:44,232 --> 00:51:47,998
- But that, to me, brings up
an important question:
1048
00:51:48,136 --> 00:51:50,604
Then what is so different
about Americans?
1049
00:51:50,739 --> 00:51:52,866
Tom Mauser
Father of Columbine victim
1050
00:51:53,075 --> 00:51:54,201
Are we homicidal in nature?
1051
00:51:55,611 --> 00:51:58,512
Because in Europe and Australia,
1052
00:51:58,647 --> 00:52:01,115
most other free-world countries,
they don't have this.
1053
00:52:01,249 --> 00:52:04,616
They don't have people who snap
and go on murderous rampages.
1054
00:52:04,753 --> 00:52:07,221
- Well, no, they're just like us.
They have the occasional person
1055
00:52:07,356 --> 00:52:09,620
that snaps and kills
a lot of people.
1056
00:52:09,758 --> 00:52:12,591
How about a British soccer riot?
Those aren't Quakers there,
1057
00:52:12,728 --> 00:52:14,719
- Every time that
I bring up comparisons
1058
00:52:14,863 --> 00:52:16,728
with other free-world countries,
what I hear is:
1059
00:52:16,865 --> 00:52:18,890
"Oh, our culture is so
different. We're so different."
1060
00:52:19,034 --> 00:52:21,059
And as you said, they have
violent video games,
1061
00:52:21,203 --> 00:52:24,070
they have violent movies,
they have alienated youth,
1062
00:52:24,206 --> 00:52:27,073
they - like us - don't have
prayer in schools.
1063
00:52:27,209 --> 00:52:31,441
What is so radically different?
What is it about us?
1064
00:52:31,580 --> 00:52:33,571
- What is it?
- What is it?
1065
00:52:33,949 --> 00:52:35,576
- What is it?
- What is it?
1066
00:52:35,717 --> 00:52:38,447
I don't know.
1067
00:52:40,889 --> 00:52:43,619
- Now, it's time for...
1068
00:52:43,725 --> 00:52:45,886
Hi, boys and girls.
Ready to get started?
1069
00:52:46,028 --> 00:52:47,962
Once upon a time, there were
these people in Europe
1070
00:52:48,096 --> 00:52:51,964
called pilgrims and they were
afraid of being persecuted.
1071
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:54,728
So they all got in a boat
and sailed to the New World
1072
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:57,532
where they wouldn't have
to be scared ever again.
1073
00:52:57,673 --> 00:53:00,437
- Oh, I'm so relaxed.
- I feel so much safer.
1074
00:53:00,575 --> 00:53:03,567
- But as soon as they arrived,
they were greeted by savages.
1075
00:53:03,712 --> 00:53:05,907
They got scared all over again.
- Injuns!
1076
00:53:06,048 --> 00:53:07,675
- So they killed them all.
Now, you'd think
1077
00:53:07,816 --> 00:53:10,376
wiping out a race of people
would calm them down, but no.
1078
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:12,749
Instead, they started getting
frightened of each other.
1079
00:53:12,888 --> 00:53:15,049
[ both ]: Witch!
- So they burned witches.
1080
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:16,555
In 1775,
1081
00:53:16,692 --> 00:53:19,456
they started killing the
British, so they could be free.
1082
00:53:19,594 --> 00:53:22,358
And it worked.
But they still didn't feel safe.
1083
00:53:22,497 --> 00:53:25,523
So they passed a 2nd amendment,
which said every white man
1084
00:53:25,667 --> 00:53:27,828
could keep his gun.
- I loves my gun, loves my gun.
1085
00:53:27,969 --> 00:53:30,767
- This brings us to
the genius idea of slavery.
1086
00:53:30,906 --> 00:53:32,840
You see, boys and girls,
the white people back then
1087
00:53:32,974 --> 00:53:35,306
were also afraid of doing any
work. So they went to Africa,
1088
00:53:35,444 --> 00:53:37,605
kidnapped thousands of black
people, brought them to America,
1089
00:53:37,746 --> 00:53:39,873
and forced them to work
very hard for no money.
1090
00:53:40,015 --> 00:53:41,880
And I don't mean no money like:
1091
00:53:42,017 --> 00:53:43,780
"I work at Wal-Mart
and make no money."
1092
00:53:43,919 --> 00:53:46,080
I mean zero dollars.
Nothing, nada, zip.
1093
00:53:46,221 --> 00:53:48,086
Doing it that way made the USA
1094
00:53:48,223 --> 00:53:49,918
the richest country
in the world.
1095
00:53:50,058 --> 00:53:52,083
So did having all that money
and free help
1096
00:53:52,227 --> 00:53:55,094
calm the white people down? No
way. They got even more afraid.
1097
00:53:55,230 --> 00:53:57,460
That's because after
200 years of slavery,
1098
00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:59,999
the black people now outnumbered
the white people in many parts
1099
00:54:00,135 --> 00:54:02,365
of the South. Well, you can
pretty much what came next.
1100
00:54:02,504 --> 00:54:04,404
The slaves started rebelling.
There were uprisings
1101
00:54:04,539 --> 00:54:06,234
and old masters' heads
got chopped off
1102
00:54:06,374 --> 00:54:08,672
and when white people heard of
this, they were freaking out.
1103
00:54:08,810 --> 00:54:10,607
They going:
- I want to live!
1104
00:54:10,746 --> 00:54:12,509
Don't kill me, big black man.
1105
00:54:12,647 --> 00:54:15,582
- Well, just in the nick of time
came Samuel Colt, who,
1106
00:54:15,717 --> 00:54:18,515
in 1836, invented the first
weapon ever that could be fired
1107
00:54:18,653 --> 00:54:20,416
over and over without
having to reload.
1108
00:54:20,555 --> 00:54:23,183
And all the settlers were, like:
- Yee-hah!
1109
00:54:23,325 --> 00:54:26,453
- But it was too late.
The North soon won the Civil War
1110
00:54:26,595 --> 00:54:31,123
and the slaves were free to go
chop the old masters' heads off.
1111
00:54:31,266 --> 00:54:33,496
Then everybody was, like:
- Oh, no, we're gonna die.
1112
00:54:33,635 --> 00:54:36,001
- But the freed slaves
took no revenge.
1113
00:54:36,138 --> 00:54:38,572
They just wanted
to live in peace.
1114
00:54:38,707 --> 00:54:41,301
But you couldn't convince
the white people of this.
1115
00:54:41,443 --> 00:54:44,435
So they formed the Ku Klux Klan
and, in 1871,
1116
00:54:44,579 --> 00:54:47,548
the same year the Klan became an
illegal terrorist organization,
1117
00:54:47,682 --> 00:54:51,379
another group was founded:
the National Rifle Association.
1118
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,488
Soon, politicians passed
one of the first gun laws,
1119
00:54:53,622 --> 00:54:56,750
making it illegal for any black
person to own one.
1120
00:54:56,892 --> 00:55:00,123
It was a great year for America.
he KKK and the NRA.
1121
00:55:00,262 --> 00:55:02,127
Of course, they had nothing
to do with each other;
1122
00:55:02,264 --> 00:55:04,892
it was a coincidence. One group
legally promoted responsible
1123
00:55:05,033 --> 00:55:07,900
gun ownership; the other shot
and lynched black people.
1124
00:55:08,036 --> 00:55:10,231
That's the way it was till
1955, when a black woman
1125
00:55:10,372 --> 00:55:13,273
broke the law by refusing to
move to the back of the bus.
1126
00:55:13,408 --> 00:55:14,670
White people just couldn't
believe it.
1127
00:55:14,810 --> 00:55:17,973
- Huh? Why won't she move?
- What's going on?
1128
00:55:18,113 --> 00:55:21,048
- Man, all hell broke loose.
Black people everywhere demanded
1129
00:55:21,183 --> 00:55:24,914
their rights. White people had
a major, freaky-feel meltdown
1130
00:55:25,053 --> 00:55:27,544
and they were all, like:
- Run away! Run away!
1131
00:55:27,689 --> 00:55:29,714
- And they did. They all ran
fleeing to the suburbs,
1132
00:55:29,858 --> 00:55:32,326
where it was all white and safe
and clean. And they went out
1133
00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:34,325
and bought a
quarter-of-a-billion guns.
1134
00:55:34,462 --> 00:55:36,396
And put locks on their doors,
alarms in their houses,
1135
00:55:36,531 --> 00:55:38,726
and gates around the
neighbourhoods.
1136
00:55:38,867 --> 00:55:42,667
And finally, they were all safe
and secure and snug as a bug.
1137
00:55:47,809 --> 00:55:51,836
And everyone lived
happily ever after.
1138
00:56:03,091 --> 00:56:04,752
- Because if you turn on
the evening news,
1139
00:56:04,893 --> 00:56:08,624
America still seems
like a pretty scary place.
1140
00:56:08,763 --> 00:56:11,926
- Who is he? Is he dangerous?
What's he up to?
1141
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:16,462
- What are you trying
to pull, man?
1142
00:56:16,605 --> 00:56:18,004
- Remember all the Y2Kscares?
1143
00:56:18,139 --> 00:56:21,472
Weren't we told that our very
society was about to collapse
1144
00:56:21,610 --> 00:56:23,100
because somebody forgot
1145
00:56:23,245 --> 00:56:25,179
to type in a couple of digits
on the computer?
1146
00:56:25,313 --> 00:56:27,611
- There's gonna be mass
chaos and confusion.
1147
00:56:27,749 --> 00:56:29,114
- Tonight, the countdown begins.
1148
00:56:29,251 --> 00:56:31,116
All day, store director
Rick Smith
1149
00:56:31,253 --> 00:56:35,485
watched consumers get Y2K ready.
- Batteries sell extremely well.
1150
00:56:35,624 --> 00:56:38,388
The lamp oil, generators.
1151
00:56:38,526 --> 00:56:40,619
- After sending the country
into a panic,
1152
00:56:40,762 --> 00:56:42,957
the clock struck midnight...
1153
00:56:43,098 --> 00:56:45,760
And nothing happened.
1154
00:56:45,901 --> 00:56:47,892
Or how about those killer bees
1155
00:56:48,036 --> 00:56:50,061
that were going
to attack America?
1156
00:56:50,205 --> 00:56:52,730
- We're almost certain
they'll arrive this year.
1157
00:56:52,874 --> 00:56:55,468
- Shmidt expects the Africanized
bees to reach Texas this year,
1158
00:56:55,610 --> 00:56:57,840
cross into Arizona in about
two to three years.
1159
00:56:57,979 --> 00:57:01,312
He's concerned because the
killer bee is overly aggressive.
1160
00:57:01,449 --> 00:57:03,917
- They will follow you
for half a mile.
1161
00:57:04,052 --> 00:57:06,577
- The bees never came.
1162
00:57:06,721 --> 00:57:09,189
Remember the first time
you heard
1163
00:57:09,324 --> 00:57:12,088
that someone had hidden a razor
blade in an apple at Halloween?
1164
00:57:12,227 --> 00:57:13,751
Before long,
1165
00:57:13,895 --> 00:57:16,159
kids were not permitted to go
out in the dark on Halloween
1166
00:57:16,298 --> 00:57:18,664
and go trick-or-treating
at strangers' homes.
1167
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,859
- Many people say they won't give
out candy treats on Halloween.
1168
00:57:21,002 --> 00:57:23,664
It's too dangerous
and they're too scared.
1169
00:57:23,805 --> 00:57:25,272
- Well, guess what?
1170
00:57:25,407 --> 00:57:27,170
There never was any
razor blade in the apple.
1171
00:57:27,309 --> 00:57:29,402
In fact, only two kids
1172
00:57:29,544 --> 00:57:33,207
in the past 40 years have been
killed by Halloween candy.
1173
00:57:33,348 --> 00:57:35,578
And both of them were poisoned
on purpose by relatives.
1174
00:57:35,717 --> 00:57:37,275
- Bye.
1175
00:57:37,419 --> 00:57:39,853
[ reporter]: It was like
a scene from a horror movie.
1176
00:57:39,988 --> 00:57:43,287
This man was mowing his lawn
when a fox darted out
1177
00:57:43,425 --> 00:57:45,791
of the woods and attacked
his riding-mower.
1178
00:57:45,927 --> 00:57:48,191
- A warning about a popular
weight-loss supplement.
1179
00:57:48,330 --> 00:57:50,298
What you don't know
may kill you.
1180
00:57:50,432 --> 00:57:52,559
- You ride them every day,
but in an instant,
1181
00:57:52,701 --> 00:57:55,795
an escalator can mangle you
or a loved one.
1182
00:57:55,937 --> 00:57:59,304
- We reveal why you may be
riding on stairway to danger.
1183
00:57:59,441 --> 00:58:00,373
- You might want to take
some extra precautions:
1184
00:58:00,508 --> 00:58:03,033
keep a low profile,
don't go around dancing
1185
00:58:03,178 --> 00:58:05,738
with a bunch of Americans
in the streets.
1186
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,678
Make sure that you don't draw
a lot of attention to yourself
1187
00:58:08,817 --> 00:58:10,148
and the fact
that you're American.
1188
00:58:10,285 --> 00:58:12,753
- Nation's top doctor says
one in five Americans
1189
00:58:12,887 --> 00:58:14,718
suffers some form
of mental disorder.
1190
00:58:14,856 --> 00:58:17,347
The surgeon general David
Satcher pleads with people
1191
00:58:17,492 --> 00:58:19,221
to seek help now.
1192
00:58:19,361 --> 00:58:22,990
- The media, the corporations,
the politicians,
1193
00:58:23,131 --> 00:58:27,192
have all done such a good job
of scaring the American public,
1194
00:58:27,335 --> 00:58:30,031
it's come to the point
where they don't need to give
1195
00:58:30,171 --> 00:58:32,162
any reason at all.
1196
00:58:32,307 --> 00:58:35,003
- Today, the Justice Department
did issue a...
1197
00:58:35,143 --> 00:58:37,577
a blanket alert.
1198
00:58:40,181 --> 00:58:43,275
It was in recognition of a
general threat we received.
1199
00:58:43,418 --> 00:58:46,546
Uh, this is not the first time
1200
00:58:46,688 --> 00:58:48,952
the Justice Department
have acted like this.
1201
00:58:49,090 --> 00:58:51,490
I hope it's the last.
1202
00:58:51,626 --> 00:58:55,528
But given the attitude of
the evildoers, it may not be.
1203
00:59:02,103 --> 00:59:04,003
- I just love these boulevards
down here, though.
1204
00:59:04,105 --> 00:59:05,697
You don't get this
in most of L.A.
1205
00:59:05,874 --> 00:59:07,171
South Central
Los Angeles
1206
00:59:07,375 --> 00:59:09,240
- How come whenever
I'm out here, though,
1207
00:59:09,310 --> 00:59:11,574
I turn on the 11-o'clock news
and I hear, you know:
1208
00:59:11,713 --> 00:59:14,079
"Tonight in South Central,
drive-by shooting."
1209
00:59:14,215 --> 00:59:16,080
Or: "Tonight in South
Central..."
1210
00:59:16,317 --> 00:59:18,683
Prof. Barry Glassner
Author, "The Culture of Fear"
1211
00:59:18,887 --> 00:59:21,082
...this, that or whatever. I mean,
they're not making that up, are they?
1212
00:59:21,222 --> 00:59:23,986
- No, they're not making it up,
but they're choosing
1213
00:59:24,125 --> 00:59:27,390
what they're covering. If you
turn on the TV, on the news,
1214
00:59:27,529 --> 00:59:29,895
what are you gonna hear about?
1215
00:59:30,031 --> 00:59:33,967
Dangerous black guys, right?
Unnamed black guy who, you know,
1216
00:59:34,102 --> 00:59:37,162
accused of some crime or...
- Right.
1217
00:59:37,305 --> 00:59:40,103
- You're gonna see pictures
of black guys doing bad things,
1218
00:59:40,241 --> 00:59:42,607
and hearing stories about black
guys doing bad things.
1219
00:59:42,744 --> 00:59:44,609
And we've heard this
our whole lives.
1220
00:59:44,746 --> 00:59:46,976
- Now, the suspect is a black
male in his twenties.
1221
00:59:47,115 --> 00:59:49,106
We are told he has
a large afro, sideburns,
1222
00:59:49,250 --> 00:59:51,377
he was wearing a
silver chain at the time.
1223
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:53,612
- Police say the suspect
is a black man.
1224
00:59:53,755 --> 00:59:58,124
Six foot one, 160 to 180 pounds,
about 35 years in age.
1225
00:59:58,259 --> 01:00:00,921
- Suspect is a black male,
age 16 to 18.
1226
01:00:01,062 --> 01:00:03,030
- The suspect is
African-American.
1227
01:00:03,164 --> 01:00:04,461
Police believe--
- Police say--
1228
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:06,965
- The black man--
[ several ]: Suspect--
1229
01:00:07,102 --> 01:00:09,229
- The suspect is a black male
- A black man.
1230
01:00:09,370 --> 01:00:11,600
[ various voices ]:
A black... black... black...
1231
01:00:11,739 --> 01:00:12,865
- A black man.
1232
01:00:13,007 --> 01:00:15,498
- Susan Smith drowns
her two children.
1233
01:00:15,643 --> 01:00:18,077
She tells people a black guy...
- Correct.
1234
01:00:18,213 --> 01:00:21,341
- Stole the car
and stole the kids.
1235
01:00:21,483 --> 01:00:24,008
And everyone, at first,
bought it.
1236
01:00:24,152 --> 01:00:27,144
- Some guy jumped into her car,
with her two kids in it.
1237
01:00:27,288 --> 01:00:29,381
Then he took off.
That's a black guy, she says.
1238
01:00:29,524 --> 01:00:31,958
- Black male?
- Yes, Ma'am.
1239
01:00:32,093 --> 01:00:34,857
- And I told them I loved them.
I hollered I loved them
1240
01:00:34,996 --> 01:00:37,123
And it's just a tragedy.
1241
01:00:37,265 --> 01:00:41,133
- The anonymous urban -
which means usually black -
1242
01:00:41,269 --> 01:00:43,100
male, comes by and does this.
1243
01:00:43,238 --> 01:00:45,365
It's the excuse
for all kinds of things.
1244
01:00:45,507 --> 01:00:47,065
- Charles Stewart,
a lawyer in Boston...
1245
01:00:47,208 --> 01:00:49,176
- Right, exactly.
- ...kills his pregnant wife,
1246
01:00:49,310 --> 01:00:51,642
says a black guy did it;
everybody buys it.
1247
01:00:51,779 --> 01:00:54,805
- The suspect described as a
black male about six feet tall.
1248
01:00:54,949 --> 01:00:57,179
Chuck and Carol Stewart
were robbed at gunpoint
1249
01:00:57,318 --> 01:00:59,183
as they left a Lamaze class.
1250
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,311
It seemed the ultimate
urban nightmare.
1251
01:01:01,456 --> 01:01:03,720
- You know, the thing I love
about this country of mine,
1252
01:01:03,858 --> 01:01:06,349
is that whether you're
a psychotic killer
1253
01:01:06,494 --> 01:01:08,985
or running for president
of the United States,
1254
01:01:09,130 --> 01:01:11,564
the one thing you can
always count on
1255
01:01:11,699 --> 01:01:14,827
is white America's fear
of the black man.
1256
01:01:14,969 --> 01:01:17,836
- We've heard the stories
on the news and in the papers
1257
01:01:17,972 --> 01:01:19,837
and they have killed people.
1258
01:01:19,974 --> 01:01:21,669
Killer bees, also known
1259
01:01:21,809 --> 01:01:23,276
as "Africanized" bees.
1260
01:01:23,411 --> 01:01:25,675
- I'm scared. I'm really worried.
1261
01:01:25,813 --> 01:01:29,010
- Rose Shipley never expected a
nest of Africanized killer bees
1262
01:01:29,150 --> 01:01:31,345
to shack up across the street
from her.
1263
01:01:31,486 --> 01:01:34,512
- But I'm terribly allergic
to them and so are my grandkids.
1264
01:01:34,656 --> 01:01:36,214
- They're originally from
southern and eastern Africa.
1265
01:01:36,357 --> 01:01:40,054
Dr. Warrick Care brought some
to Brazil in 1956
1266
01:01:40,195 --> 01:01:42,186
and tried to mate them
1267
01:01:42,330 --> 01:01:45,094
with the European bee,
the kind that we're used to.
1268
01:01:45,233 --> 01:01:48,634
But they got loose and moved
to the southern United States.
1269
01:01:48,770 --> 01:01:50,237
- The main difference between
a traditional honey bee
1270
01:01:50,371 --> 01:01:53,431
and an Africanized bee is
the bee's aggressiveness.
1271
01:01:53,575 --> 01:01:56,738
If I was to do this
to an Africanized bee's hive,
1272
01:01:56,878 --> 01:02:00,041
I could have several hundred
stings in a matter of minutes.
1273
01:02:00,181 --> 01:02:02,479
- Danny Self raises the kinder,
gentler European bees,
1274
01:02:02,617 --> 01:02:04,107
and he's done the research.
1275
01:02:04,252 --> 01:02:05,947
- The only way that you can tell
1276
01:02:06,087 --> 01:02:08,817
the two of them, is doing
measurements on the body parts.
1277
01:02:08,957 --> 01:02:11,687
- Quite frankly,
the black community has become
1278
01:02:11,826 --> 01:02:14,158
entertainment for the rest
of the community.
1279
01:02:14,229 --> 01:02:15,662
- Meaning what?
1280
01:02:15,863 --> 01:02:17,125
Arthur Busch
County Prosecutor - Flint, Michigan
1281
01:02:17,198 --> 01:02:19,063
- The entertainment being
that the crime of the day -
1282
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,065
you know, "If it bleeds,
it leads" -
1283
01:02:21,202 --> 01:02:25,070
gets to be the front story and
then that becomes the perception
1284
01:02:25,206 --> 01:02:28,573
and the image of
an entire people.
1285
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:31,577
Which couldn't be further
from the truth, in my opinion.
1286
01:02:31,713 --> 01:02:34,580
In fact, you'll find, I think,
1287
01:02:34,716 --> 01:02:37,810
most African-Americans are quite
adverse to gun possession.
1288
01:02:39,887 --> 01:02:41,650
In suburbia, I think,
1289
01:02:41,823 --> 01:02:43,654
there's some notion that there's
going to be an invading horde,
1290
01:02:43,791 --> 01:02:47,818
come from either the city
or from someplace unknown,
1291
01:02:47,962 --> 01:02:51,261
to savage their suburban
community.
1292
01:02:51,399 --> 01:02:57,167
To me, not only is it bizarre,
but it's totally, uh...
1293
01:02:57,305 --> 01:02:59,773
unfounded.
1294
01:02:59,907 --> 01:03:01,534
And these pistols,
curiously enough,
1295
01:03:01,676 --> 01:03:05,112
weren't being taken off kids
in the city of Flint,
1296
01:03:05,246 --> 01:03:08,113
but were being taken off of kids
out in the out-county area,
1297
01:03:08,249 --> 01:03:12,049
in the suburban communities.
And--
1298
01:03:12,186 --> 01:03:14,051
- I didn't think that's
what you were gonna say.
1299
01:03:14,188 --> 01:03:17,055
I thought you were gonna say
that it's all these black kids
1300
01:03:17,191 --> 01:03:19,056
in the inner-city schools
that had these guns.
1301
01:03:19,193 --> 01:03:21,559
- No, that's...
1302
01:03:21,696 --> 01:03:26,565
We've never really had many
problems with guns in the city.
1303
01:03:26,701 --> 01:03:29,067
Not to say that we haven't;
we've had some.
1304
01:03:29,203 --> 01:03:31,068
But that's never been
the biggest problem.
1305
01:03:31,205 --> 01:03:33,571
The biggest problem has been
the gun possession
1306
01:03:33,708 --> 01:03:37,200
by these adolescents
in suburbia.
1307
01:03:37,345 --> 01:03:39,711
- How'd you get a gun?
1308
01:03:39,847 --> 01:03:42,577
- I stole mine. I stole it
from a friend of mine.
1309
01:03:42,717 --> 01:03:44,412
His dad owns a bunch of guns.
1310
01:03:44,552 --> 01:03:46,417
- What we're you doing
with the stolen guns?
1311
01:03:46,554 --> 01:03:48,419
- We went down to Detroit
and started selling them.
1312
01:03:48,556 --> 01:03:52,549
'Cause I can get, like, a buck
fifty a pop for a 9-millimetre.
1313
01:03:52,694 --> 01:03:55,561
- Oh, really. Who were you trying
to sell them to?
1314
01:03:55,697 --> 01:03:58,723
- Anybody that would really want
'em. Gangs and stuff like that.
1315
01:03:58,866 --> 01:04:02,029
- Gangs in the city of Detroit?
- Yeah.
1316
01:04:02,170 --> 01:04:03,933
- Black?
- Uh, predominantly. Yeah.
1317
01:04:04,072 --> 01:04:05,937
- Yeah. So now you're out now,
you're okay.
1318
01:04:06,074 --> 01:04:07,939
- Yeah, I'm free now.
I'm completely clear.
1319
01:04:08,076 --> 01:04:10,442
- You can keep selling guns.
- I can't keep selling guns.
1320
01:04:10,578 --> 01:04:12,375
It's getting too risky.
Everybody knows me up here.
1321
01:04:12,513 --> 01:04:15,380
People want guns, drugs or
alcohol, they come to my house
1322
01:04:15,516 --> 01:04:17,040
and that's just too much.
1323
01:04:17,185 --> 01:04:19,016
- Yeah, too much hassle.
- Yeah.
1324
01:04:19,153 --> 01:04:25,217
- My favourite statistic in all
the research I did discovered
1325
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:29,456
that the murder rate had gone
down by 20%. The coverage -
1326
01:04:29,597 --> 01:04:33,055
that is, how many murders are
on the evening news -
1327
01:04:33,201 --> 01:04:35,396
it went up by 600%.
1328
01:04:35,536 --> 01:04:40,064
- The American people are
conditioned by network TV,
1329
01:04:40,208 --> 01:04:42,073
by local news,
1330
01:04:42,210 --> 01:04:44,075
to believe that
their communities are
1331
01:04:44,212 --> 01:04:47,079
much more dangerous
than they actually are.
1332
01:04:47,215 --> 01:04:49,080
For example, here,
in this community,
1333
01:04:49,217 --> 01:04:53,085
crime has decreased every year
for the past eight years.
1334
01:04:53,221 --> 01:04:55,382
Yet, gun ownership,
particularly handgun ownership,
1335
01:04:55,523 --> 01:04:57,388
is on the increase.
1336
01:04:57,525 --> 01:05:00,085
- Crime rates have been
dropping, dropping, dropping.
1337
01:05:00,228 --> 01:05:03,595
Fear of crime has been going
up, up, up.
1338
01:05:03,731 --> 01:05:06,097
How can that be possible?
It doesn't make any sense.
1339
01:05:06,234 --> 01:05:09,601
But it makes perfect sense
when you see what we're hearing
1340
01:05:09,737 --> 01:05:12,638
from politicians and seeing
in the news media.
1341
01:05:12,774 --> 01:05:14,799
- So we're, uh, we're right here
1342
01:05:14,942 --> 01:05:17,433
on the corner of Florence
and Normandie.
1343
01:05:17,578 --> 01:05:19,443
It's kind of Ground Zero
for the L.A. riots.
1344
01:05:19,580 --> 01:05:20,740
- Right.
1345
01:05:20,882 --> 01:05:23,908
- You know, if a couple
of white guys
1346
01:05:24,051 --> 01:05:26,144
would go down and walk around
South Central,
1347
01:05:26,287 --> 01:05:27,185
they're gonna get killed.
1348
01:05:27,321 --> 01:05:29,516
Which I can tell you
is a common perception.
1349
01:05:29,657 --> 01:05:32,057
The odds that something's
going to happen to us
1350
01:05:32,193 --> 01:05:34,058
are really, really slight.
1351
01:05:34,195 --> 01:05:36,060
Minuscule.
- Right. Okay.
1352
01:05:36,197 --> 01:05:38,062
- But you know,
if you look up there,
1353
01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:41,066
you get a different symbol
of the Hollywood sign.
1354
01:05:41,202 --> 01:05:43,067
It means something
very different
1355
01:05:43,204 --> 01:05:45,069
than the corner
of Florence and Normandie.
1356
01:05:45,206 --> 01:05:47,071
For most Americans
and most of the world,
1357
01:05:47,208 --> 01:05:50,075
it means glamour and Hollywood,
except that we can't see it.
1358
01:05:50,211 --> 01:05:52,076
- I can't see the Hollywood sign.
Where is it?
1359
01:05:52,213 --> 01:05:54,579
- Right. You can't see it because
of something that's probably...
1360
01:05:54,715 --> 01:05:56,580
much more dangerous for us
right now,
1361
01:05:56,717 --> 01:05:58,582
which is the stuff
we're breathing.
1362
01:05:58,719 --> 01:06:00,584
- The pollution that's blocking
the Hollywood sign,
1363
01:06:00,721 --> 01:06:02,279
we're breathing this.
1364
01:06:02,423 --> 01:06:05,085
That's far more dangerous than
all the other stuff the media's
1365
01:06:05,226 --> 01:06:07,057
telling us to be afraid of.
- Right.
1366
01:06:07,195 --> 01:06:09,925
- As we left the corner
of Florence and Normandie,
1367
01:06:10,064 --> 01:06:11,861
I noticed that a number
of helicopters
1368
01:06:11,999 --> 01:06:14,194
had appeared in the sky.
1369
01:06:14,335 --> 01:06:16,132
Within seconds, the news media
1370
01:06:16,270 --> 01:06:18,135
started to arrive.
- So what's the story here?
1371
01:06:18,272 --> 01:06:20,638
- I'm waiting.
I thought you would know.
1372
01:06:20,775 --> 01:06:22,640
- No, I don't know anything.
1373
01:06:22,777 --> 01:06:25,541
- The Sergeant just told me
there's a guy with a gun.
1374
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,545
But they're not sure.
That's all they told me.
1375
01:06:27,682 --> 01:06:29,809
Since there's no action,
I'm not getting my camera down.
1376
01:06:29,951 --> 01:06:32,317
- I just happened to see the
chopper, going to another story.
1377
01:06:32,453 --> 01:06:34,819
- What story are you going to?
- It's a near-drowning.
1378
01:06:34,956 --> 01:06:36,480
- It's a drowning?
- A near-drowning.
1379
01:06:36,624 --> 01:06:38,489
- How about a story
about how you can't see
1380
01:06:38,626 --> 01:06:40,560
the Hollywood Hills
because of the pollution?
1381
01:06:40,695 --> 01:06:43,562
Could you maybe do a story
on that tonight?
1382
01:06:43,698 --> 01:06:46,667
- Pollution, that's rather good.
I find that good.
1383
01:06:46,801 --> 01:06:49,167
You can't see it. You can't see
anything around here.
1384
01:06:49,303 --> 01:06:52,170
- If you have to choose
between a guy with a gun
1385
01:06:52,306 --> 01:06:55,070
and a near-drowning of a baby -
you could only be one place--
1386
01:06:55,209 --> 01:06:56,972
- I go with the gun.
- You go with the gun, always.
1387
01:06:59,247 --> 01:07:01,078
Is it all over, here?
It's all over? All over?
1388
01:07:01,215 --> 01:07:03,080
- Not yet, not yet.
- Looks like it.
1389
01:07:03,217 --> 01:07:05,583
- Just wait for these sergeants
down here to come down,
1390
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,585
'cause they got all the details.
1391
01:07:07,722 --> 01:07:09,587
- Okay. Hey, I was
just wondering -
1392
01:07:09,724 --> 01:07:13,023
I just got here to L.A. today -
I can't see the Hollywood sign,
1393
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,025
down on the hills there,
down Normandie.
1394
01:07:15,162 --> 01:07:17,027
You can't see the sign
'cause of the pollution.
1395
01:07:17,164 --> 01:07:19,029
- Right.
- Is there anybody you can arrest
1396
01:07:19,166 --> 01:07:21,532
for polluting up the air?
- Absolutely not.
1397
01:07:21,669 --> 01:07:23,534
- Nobody?
- No.
1398
01:07:23,671 --> 01:07:25,070
- Why is that?
1399
01:07:27,008 --> 01:07:28,908
Why is that, Sergeant?
1400
01:07:35,383 --> 01:07:36,907
- He's fighting!
1401
01:07:37,051 --> 01:07:38,916
- For over a decade,
1402
01:07:39,053 --> 01:07:42,147
there has been one show
on American television
1403
01:07:42,290 --> 01:07:44,724
that has consistently brought
black and white people together
1404
01:07:44,859 --> 01:07:47,054
in an effort to reduce
our fears
1405
01:07:47,194 --> 01:07:50,061
and celebrate our diversity.
1406
01:07:50,197 --> 01:07:52,222
That show is Cops.
1407
01:07:55,603 --> 01:07:57,833
I went to see a former
producer of "Cops"
1408
01:07:57,972 --> 01:07:59,303
and executive producer
1409
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,271
of World's Wildest
Police Videos:
1410
01:08:01,409 --> 01:08:03,070
Mr. Dick Herland.
1411
01:08:03,210 --> 01:08:05,075
- Look "liberal" up
in the dictionary
1412
01:08:05,212 --> 01:08:07,077
and I think my picture's
in there somewhere,
1413
01:08:07,214 --> 01:08:12,015
- So then, you know, why not be
compelled to do, you know,
1414
01:08:12,153 --> 01:08:17,022
a show that focuses on, you
know, what's causing the crime,
1415
01:08:17,158 --> 01:08:19,524
as opposed to just chasing
the criminals down?
1416
01:08:19,660 --> 01:08:22,026
- Because I think it's harder
to do that show.
1417
01:08:22,163 --> 01:08:24,097
I don't know what
that show would be.
1418
01:08:24,231 --> 01:08:26,028
Anger does well, hate does
well, violence does well.
1419
01:08:26,167 --> 01:08:28,533
Tolerance and understanding
and trying to learn to be
1420
01:08:28,669 --> 01:08:31,604
a little different than you were
last year does less well.
1421
01:08:31,739 --> 01:08:33,604
- Does less well in the ratings.
- Oh yeah.
1422
01:08:33,741 --> 01:08:36,539
- Maybe because we,
in the television business,
1423
01:08:36,677 --> 01:08:40,545
because we tend to demonize
black and Hispanic people,
1424
01:08:40,681 --> 01:08:42,546
then those watching it at home
are going:
1425
01:08:42,683 --> 01:08:44,548
"I don't want to help
those people.
1426
01:08:44,685 --> 01:08:46,550
I'm not going to do anything
to help them.
1427
01:08:46,687 --> 01:08:49,053
Because I hate them now,
because they may hurt me."
1428
01:08:49,190 --> 01:08:52,057
You know what I'm saying?
- I know what you're saying,
1429
01:08:52,193 --> 01:08:54,559
I'm not sure that's
what we're doing.
1430
01:08:54,695 --> 01:08:57,061
I'm not sure we're demonizing
1431
01:08:57,198 --> 01:09:01,567
black and Hispanic people, uh...
particularly.
1432
01:09:01,702 --> 01:09:04,068
I don't think we show
black and Hispanic people
1433
01:09:04,205 --> 01:09:07,572
as being criminals.
1434
01:09:07,708 --> 01:09:09,972
I'd like to say not more often,
1435
01:09:10,111 --> 01:09:12,079
but probably
they are more often.
1436
01:09:12,213 --> 01:09:15,649
But I certainly don't think...
We're certainly not trying
1437
01:09:15,783 --> 01:09:17,648
to demonize black
and Hispanic people.
1438
01:09:17,785 --> 01:09:20,583
- We show them on the news,
we show them on TV,
1439
01:09:20,721 --> 01:09:23,087
as pretty scary people.
1440
01:09:23,224 --> 01:09:25,954
- Yeah.
1441
01:09:26,093 --> 01:09:28,084
And I agree. I'd like
to see that reversed
1442
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:32,097
as much as possible. I...
1443
01:09:32,233 --> 01:09:34,098
- Start tonight.
- Well, the thing is,
1444
01:09:34,235 --> 01:09:36,100
I don't know how
to start tonight.
1445
01:09:36,237 --> 01:09:38,102
I don't know how to tell
that story.
1446
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:40,104
If I was smart enough
to do that...
1447
01:09:40,241 --> 01:09:42,607
- I'll pitch you one.
- Okay. All right.
1448
01:09:42,743 --> 01:09:45,109
- Um... um...
1449
01:09:45,246 --> 01:09:47,578
Do a show called not Cops
but Corporate Cops.
1450
01:09:50,418 --> 01:09:51,442
"Corporation man
Hey Corporate man
1451
01:09:51,585 --> 01:09:54,076
"We're coming out to get you
better run while you can
1452
01:09:54,455 --> 01:09:57,515
"We're coming out to get you
better run while you can"
1453
01:09:57,658 --> 01:09:59,626
- Uh... I love the idea.
1454
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,127
I don't think it would make
very interesting reality TV.
1455
01:10:03,264 --> 01:10:06,631
Unless we can get those people
to get in their SUVs
1456
01:10:06,767 --> 01:10:10,134
and drive really fast down
the road away from the police.
1457
01:10:10,271 --> 01:10:12,364
- But I'm telling you,
everyone in America
1458
01:10:12,506 --> 01:10:14,371
who's got just your basic,
everyday job
1459
01:10:14,508 --> 01:10:16,976
is gonna love watching the boss
1460
01:10:17,111 --> 01:10:19,079
being chased down the street
with his shirt off,
1461
01:10:19,213 --> 01:10:20,612
thrown to the ground
1462
01:10:20,748 --> 01:10:23,615
and a knee to the neck. I tell
you, that is gonna get ratings.
1463
01:10:23,751 --> 01:10:26,618
- Yeah, I'm with you. And if
I can find a police outfit
1464
01:10:26,754 --> 01:10:30,588
that would prosecute corporate
criminals appropriately
1465
01:10:30,725 --> 01:10:32,590
and would go after them
appropriately... In other words,
1466
01:10:32,727 --> 01:10:35,594
what you do to a man who's
just stolen a lady's purse
1467
01:10:35,730 --> 01:10:37,595
with $85 to it,
1468
01:10:37,732 --> 01:10:41,099
than you need to do
an appropriate response
1469
01:10:41,235 --> 01:10:45,103
to a man who has just stolen $85
million from indigent people,
1470
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:47,104
then, boy, we're gonna be
out there filming that.
1471
01:10:47,241 --> 01:10:50,108
But as a matter of fact,
when police go after the guy
1472
01:10:50,244 --> 01:10:52,109
who's just stolen $85 million,
1473
01:10:52,246 --> 01:10:55,113
they treat him like he was
a member of the city council -
1474
01:10:55,249 --> 01:10:58,616
as he may or may not be - and
it's not exciting television.
1475
01:10:58,753 --> 01:11:01,119
If you could get that guy
to take his shirt off...
1476
01:11:01,255 --> 01:11:03,120
- Right.
1477
01:11:03,257 --> 01:11:05,122
- Yeah, and throw his cellular
phone at the police
1478
01:11:05,259 --> 01:11:07,124
as they come through the door,
1479
01:11:07,261 --> 01:11:10,253
try to jump out that window,
then we'd have a show.
1480
01:11:10,397 --> 01:11:13,059
- You watch violence on TV
in a place like Canada
1481
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,065
and you know it's not happening
next door.
1482
01:11:15,202 --> 01:11:19,070
You watch it here, and you know
it is happening next door.
1483
01:11:19,206 --> 01:11:21,071
- Right.
- I think that's...
1484
01:11:21,208 --> 01:11:23,073
I don't know what
the difference is,
1485
01:11:23,210 --> 01:11:25,075
but there's a big difference.
- Yeah, but why isn't...
1486
01:11:25,212 --> 01:11:27,077
Why isn't it happening
in Canada?
1487
01:11:27,214 --> 01:11:30,081
Why aren't there, you know,
10,000 murders a year?
1488
01:11:30,217 --> 01:11:33,084
- I don't know, but I want
to go to Canada to retire,
1489
01:11:33,220 --> 01:11:36,087
or something, 'cause it sounds
like where we want to be.
1490
01:11:36,223 --> 01:11:39,090
I'd like to find out what that
difference is. Wouldn't you?
1491
01:11:39,226 --> 01:11:41,126
- Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying
to find out.
1492
01:11:47,334 --> 01:11:50,098
Where are you supposed
to be right now?
1493
01:11:50,237 --> 01:11:52,102
- School.
- School.
1494
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:53,706
- School.
1495
01:11:53,841 --> 01:11:55,706
- Aren't you worried about
what you're not learning?
1496
01:11:55,843 --> 01:11:57,708
- Nah, I'm mostly helping
everybody else in the class.
1497
01:11:57,845 --> 01:12:01,042
Then I barely get to do my work.
- How about you? You're not
1498
01:12:01,182 --> 01:12:04,208
worried about your education?
- Well, I've got the textbook.
1499
01:12:04,351 --> 01:12:06,876
- Why do you think
we have so many, uh...
1500
01:12:07,021 --> 01:12:09,216
gun murders in America?
- Uh...
1501
01:12:09,356 --> 01:12:12,553
I have no idea. People must hate
each other or something.
1502
01:12:12,693 --> 01:12:14,558
- Oh, you mean Canadians don't
hate each other?
1503
01:12:14,695 --> 01:12:17,562
- Well, we do but we don't go to
the point of shooting somebody
1504
01:12:17,698 --> 01:12:20,565
just to get revenge.
- What do you do?
1505
01:12:20,701 --> 01:12:23,067
- I don't know.
Tease them, maybe.
1506
01:12:23,204 --> 01:12:26,537
Make fun of them, ridicule them.
- Throw eggs at them.
1507
01:12:26,674 --> 01:12:29,575
- How many gun murders
in Sarnia this year?
1508
01:12:29,710 --> 01:12:31,575
- None.
- Last year?
1509
01:12:31,712 --> 01:12:33,577
- I believe we had one,
at the time.
1510
01:12:33,714 --> 01:12:35,579
- The year before that?
1511
01:12:35,716 --> 01:12:38,082
- I can't recall what we had
in the way of--
1512
01:12:38,219 --> 01:12:40,084
- Maybe one in the last
three years?
1513
01:12:40,221 --> 01:12:42,086
- Probably, yes.
- Mm-hm.
1514
01:12:42,223 --> 01:12:45,386
- Very low. Very low
for this city.
1515
01:12:45,526 --> 01:12:47,391
- Well, of course,
there's no murders here
1516
01:12:47,528 --> 01:12:49,393
because there's only
70,000 people
1517
01:12:49,530 --> 01:12:52,226
and it's the kissing
capital of the world.
1518
01:12:52,366 --> 01:12:54,698
So I went down the river
to another Canadian city
1519
01:12:54,835 --> 01:12:56,700
that was five times
as large as Sarnia:
1520
01:12:56,837 --> 01:13:00,204
Windsor, Ontario, just across
the river from Detroit.
1521
01:13:00,341 --> 01:13:04,141
I was sure there'd be
more murders in Windsor.
1522
01:13:04,278 --> 01:13:07,145
Ever hear of anyone being shot
by a gun in Windsor?
1523
01:13:07,281 --> 01:13:09,306
- No. No.
1524
01:13:09,450 --> 01:13:11,247
- You remember any murders here?
1525
01:13:11,385 --> 01:13:14,548
- Uh, there was one
a long time ago. Probably--
1526
01:13:14,688 --> 01:13:18,055
- How long ago?
- Oh...
1527
01:13:18,192 --> 01:13:20,057
- In your lifetime?
- In my lifetime,
1528
01:13:20,194 --> 01:13:23,652
probably around 15, 20 years
ago, there was one murder.
1529
01:13:23,797 --> 01:13:25,765
- In fact, this Windsor
policeman told me
1530
01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:27,265
that the only gun murder
1531
01:13:27,401 --> 01:13:29,562
he could recall in Windsor
in the last three years
1532
01:13:29,703 --> 01:13:32,069
was committed by a guy
from Detroit,
1533
01:13:32,206 --> 01:13:34,674
who had a stolen gun
from Minnesota.
1534
01:13:34,808 --> 01:13:38,608
With nearly 400,000 people
in the Windsor area,
1535
01:13:38,746 --> 01:13:43,012
there were simply no Canadians
shooting other Canadians.
1536
01:13:43,150 --> 01:13:44,640
I thought it might be time
1537
01:13:44,785 --> 01:13:48,653
for some fun facts
about Canada.
1538
01:13:48,789 --> 01:13:51,019
I hit the streets of New York
to find out what
1539
01:13:51,158 --> 01:13:53,524
the average American thought
about our friendly neighbour
1540
01:13:53,661 --> 01:13:55,094
to the north.
1541
01:13:55,229 --> 01:14:00,531
- Canadians don't watch as much
violent movies as Americans do.
1542
01:14:04,972 --> 01:14:06,599
- That's wrong.
1543
01:14:06,740 --> 01:14:08,833
Hordes of young boys,
all throughout Canada,
1544
01:14:08,976 --> 01:14:11,501
eagerly await the next
Hollywood bloodbath.
1545
01:14:11,645 --> 01:14:14,045
- Then one of the guy gets
his leg taken off.
1546
01:14:14,181 --> 01:14:17,048
- Oh, wow!
- And there was a lot of girls,
1547
01:14:17,184 --> 01:14:20,642
and naked at one point.
- I like that stuff.
1548
01:14:20,788 --> 01:14:23,814
- What movie did you see tonight?
- Sixth Day.
1549
01:14:23,958 --> 01:14:26,859
- With Arnold Schwarzenegger?
- Yeah.
1550
01:14:26,994 --> 01:14:28,859
- Did it make you want
to come out here
1551
01:14:28,996 --> 01:14:30,861
and play this shoot-'em-up game?
1552
01:14:30,998 --> 01:14:33,193
- Well... yeah.
1553
01:14:33,334 --> 01:14:36,064
- There's no poverty in Canada
like there is here...
1554
01:14:36,203 --> 01:14:38,171
in the States.
1555
01:14:38,305 --> 01:14:39,670
- Wrong again.
1556
01:14:39,740 --> 01:14:41,708
Mayor Mike Bradley
Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
1557
01:14:41,809 --> 01:14:43,504
- Actually, we've also had
a much higher unemployment rate.
1558
01:14:43,577 --> 01:14:46,205
When Michigan rate was running at 4%,
we were still at 8-9%,
1559
01:14:46,313 --> 01:14:48,304
We seem to have an institutional
unemployment rate.
1560
01:14:48,449 --> 01:14:50,679
- I think there'd mostly be
white people in Canada.
1561
01:14:50,818 --> 01:14:53,685
- Hmm... that's strange,
'cause when I'm in Canada,
1562
01:14:53,821 --> 01:14:56,346
I see black people everywhere.
1563
01:14:56,490 --> 01:14:58,355
And yellow people,
and brown people...
1564
01:14:58,492 --> 01:15:00,084
and 13% of the country is
non-white.
1565
01:15:00,227 --> 01:15:02,354
So the Canadians are
1566
01:15:02,496 --> 01:15:05,693
pretty much just like us.
And the reason that they have
(Toronto, Canada)
1567
01:15:05,833 --> 01:15:09,098
so few murders has to be
because they've got
1568
01:15:09,236 --> 01:15:11,534
so few guns.
1569
01:15:15,676 --> 01:15:18,440
What kind of guns do you own?
- Uh, I hunt.
1570
01:15:18,579 --> 01:15:21,047
I own rifles and shotguns,
and I own pistols.
1571
01:15:21,181 --> 01:15:24,548
- Mm-hm. So how many guns total?
- Uh... Probably about seven.
1572
01:15:24,685 --> 01:15:26,118
- Seven guns?
- Yeah.
1573
01:15:26,253 --> 01:15:28,050
- Do you have a gun?
- I have a few.
1574
01:15:28,188 --> 01:15:31,055
- How many guns do you have?
- Half a dozen.
1575
01:15:31,191 --> 01:15:34,558
- You could name how many people
that own guns, that you know?
1576
01:15:34,695 --> 01:15:37,391
Two, three, a dozen?
- More than that.
1577
01:15:37,531 --> 01:15:40,091
- There's a tremendous
amount of gun ownership.
1578
01:15:40,234 --> 01:15:42,065
We're a large country
geographically.
1579
01:15:42,202 --> 01:15:44,534
We grew up with hunting and
fishing being a tradition.
1580
01:15:44,671 --> 01:15:47,071
- In Canada, with a population
of just around 30 million -
1581
01:15:47,207 --> 01:15:49,072
there's about
10 million families -
1582
01:15:49,209 --> 01:15:51,074
and the best estimate is
somewhere in the region
1583
01:15:51,211 --> 01:15:52,974
of seven-million guns.
1584
01:15:53,113 --> 01:15:54,410
- Wow!
1585
01:15:54,548 --> 01:15:56,778
Canada was one gun-loving,
1586
01:15:56,917 --> 01:15:59,750
gun-toting, gun-crazy country!
1587
01:16:01,388 --> 01:16:04,289
Where can you get a gun?
- Uptown, any time I want.
1588
01:16:04,425 --> 01:16:05,653
- I see you're a Glock owner.
1589
01:16:05,793 --> 01:16:08,591
Where can I get a Glock
in Canada?
1590
01:16:08,729 --> 01:16:11,095
- Most gun stores'll sell 'em
to you
1591
01:16:11,231 --> 01:16:13,028
if you have the proper
permits and stuff.
1592
01:16:13,167 --> 01:16:15,158
- In fact, despite all
their tough gun laws,
1593
01:16:15,302 --> 01:16:17,065
take a look at what I,
1594
01:16:17,204 --> 01:16:19,798
a foreign citizen,
was able to do
1595
01:16:19,940 --> 01:16:21,737
at the local Canadian Wal-Mart.
1596
01:16:21,875 --> 01:16:24,537
Where's the ammunition at?
- Where's the ammunition?
1597
01:16:24,678 --> 01:16:26,077
- Yeah.
- Back here.
1598
01:16:29,716 --> 01:16:32,583
What kind are you looking for?
- You know, like, bullets.
1599
01:16:34,688 --> 01:16:36,349
That's right.
1600
01:16:36,490 --> 01:16:39,357
I could buy as much live
ammunition as I wanted to
1601
01:16:39,493 --> 01:16:41,222
in Canada.
You take American?
1602
01:16:41,361 --> 01:16:43,090
Do you lock your doors?
1603
01:16:43,230 --> 01:16:45,721
- No.
- Are you afraid of anything?
1604
01:16:45,833 --> 01:16:47,767
Sarnia, Canada
1605
01:16:47,868 --> 01:16:51,304
- Nah, not really, no.
- Do you lock your doors
at night?
1606
01:16:51,438 --> 01:16:53,303
- No.
- You don't lock your doors?
1607
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,067
- No.
- Well, what do you...
1608
01:16:55,209 --> 01:16:57,473
Are you afraid of anything?
- Not really.
1609
01:16:57,611 --> 01:17:01,069
- Have you ever been broken into?
- Yes, I have. Yeah.
1610
01:17:01,215 --> 01:17:03,581
- What happened?
- They broke into my home.
1611
01:17:03,717 --> 01:17:05,582
I wasn't there. They broke in,
1612
01:17:05,719 --> 01:17:08,279
they stole some booze
and cigarettes and they left.
1613
01:17:08,422 --> 01:17:10,686
So I figure it must've been
some teenagers
1614
01:17:10,824 --> 01:17:14,590
out to have a little bit of fun.
That's all they took, though.
1615
01:17:14,728 --> 01:17:16,457
Just some booze
and some cigarettes.
1616
01:17:16,597 --> 01:17:18,462
- Have you ever been
a victim of crime?
1617
01:17:18,599 --> 01:17:20,533
- Yes.
- What kind of crime?
1618
01:17:20,667 --> 01:17:23,033
- Uh, I've had people walk in
while I've been sleeping
1619
01:17:23,170 --> 01:17:26,037
and vandalize my home
and steal from me.
1620
01:17:26,173 --> 01:17:29,040
- And that didn't want to make
you lock your doors at night?
1621
01:17:29,176 --> 01:17:31,667
- No. No.
1622
01:17:31,812 --> 01:17:34,474
- As an American with
three locks on his doors,
1623
01:17:34,615 --> 01:17:36,674
I found this all
a bit confusing.
1624
01:17:36,817 --> 01:17:39,251
Even here, in Toronto,
a city of millions,
1625
01:17:39,386 --> 01:17:40,853
people just didn't lock
their doors.
1626
01:17:43,290 --> 01:17:45,053
So you don't lock your doors but
we, Americans, do. Why is that?
1627
01:17:45,192 --> 01:17:47,820
- You must be afraid
of your neighbour.
1628
01:17:47,961 --> 01:17:50,054
- Do you ever leave your doors
unlocked at home?
1629
01:17:50,197 --> 01:17:52,563
- Yeah.
- Yeah, you do?
1630
01:17:52,699 --> 01:17:54,564
Where do you live?
- Right around here.
1631
01:17:54,701 --> 01:17:56,066
- Toronto?
- Around here.
1632
01:17:56,203 --> 01:17:57,864
- You leave your doors unlocked?
- Yeah.
1633
01:17:58,005 --> 01:17:59,870
- You'd think, as Americans,
1634
01:18:00,007 --> 01:18:03,568
that the lock is keeping people
out of your place.
1635
01:18:03,710 --> 01:18:07,077
We, as Canadians,
see it more as, uh...
1636
01:18:07,214 --> 01:18:10,581
when we lock the door, we're
imprisoning ourselves inside.
1637
01:18:10,717 --> 01:18:12,514
- You don't want to do that.
1638
01:18:12,653 --> 01:18:14,518
- Not really, no.
1639
01:18:14,655 --> 01:18:18,386
We don't want to... No.
1640
01:18:18,525 --> 01:18:22,017
- I decided to go unannounced
to a neighbourhood in Toronto
1641
01:18:22,162 --> 01:18:25,529
to see if this unlocked-door
thing was true.
1642
01:18:25,666 --> 01:18:27,896
Oh, hi. I'm sorry.
Just checking.
1643
01:18:32,673 --> 01:18:34,732
[ dog barking ]
Oh, hello!
1644
01:18:41,682 --> 01:18:43,047
- Oh, hi.
- Hi.
1645
01:18:43,183 --> 01:18:45,048
- Nobody locks their doors.
1646
01:18:45,185 --> 01:18:47,050
Nobody locks their doors
in this town.
1647
01:18:47,187 --> 01:18:49,985
- You want to lock?
- No, no, no.
1648
01:18:50,123 --> 01:18:52,057
Do you like living here?
- I like it very much.
1649
01:18:52,192 --> 01:18:54,490
- Yeah? And the T-shirt?
- The T-shirt too.
1650
01:18:54,628 --> 01:18:56,687
- This door was wide open.
And you're not afraid?
1651
01:18:56,830 --> 01:18:59,128
- Should I be afraid?
- I don't know. You live here.
1652
01:18:59,266 --> 01:19:01,325
- I don't think I'm afraid.
- You're not, are you?
1653
01:19:01,468 --> 01:19:03,333
Thank you very much.
- All right. No problem.
1654
01:19:03,470 --> 01:19:05,335
- I'm sorry about the intrusion.
- No, no problem.
1655
01:19:05,472 --> 01:19:07,838
- Thank you for not shooting me.
- No problem at all.
1656
01:19:07,975 --> 01:19:09,340
- Bye-bye.
- Okay.
1657
01:19:09,476 --> 01:19:10,534
- As an American,
1658
01:19:10,677 --> 01:19:12,975
I gotta say this all
seemed kind of strange.
1659
01:19:13,113 --> 01:19:14,876
Until I looked up at the TV
1660
01:19:15,015 --> 01:19:17,006
in the bar and noticed
what they watched
1661
01:19:17,150 --> 01:19:18,082
for their evening news.
1662
01:19:18,218 --> 01:19:20,812
- They're friends of ours.
1663
01:19:20,954 --> 01:19:24,082
We'll certainly listen to them
courteously and carefully,
1664
01:19:24,224 --> 01:19:27,887
but you don't just make war
just 'cause someone says so.
1665
01:19:28,028 --> 01:19:31,930
- The Canadians weren't being
pumped full of fear.
1666
01:19:32,065 --> 01:19:34,192
And their politicians seemed
to talk kind of funny.
1667
01:19:34,368 --> 01:19:36,359
Mayor Mike Bradley
Sarnia, Canada
1668
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:38,768
- ...making sure they have good daycare,
assistance for their parents
1669
01:19:38,872 --> 01:19:41,102
when they're elderly and need
to be in an old-age home,
1670
01:19:41,241 --> 01:19:42,265
that they have proper
health care that insures
1671
01:19:42,409 --> 01:19:44,741
that they won't lose
their business or their house
1672
01:19:44,878 --> 01:19:46,641
because they can't
afford their medical bills.
1673
01:19:46,780 --> 01:19:48,577
That's how you build
a good society.
1674
01:19:48,715 --> 01:19:51,081
No one wins unless everyone
wins. And you don't win
1675
01:19:51,218 --> 01:19:53,345
by beating up on people
who can't defend themselves.
1676
01:19:53,487 --> 01:19:54,852
And that's been the approach,
unfortunately,
1677
01:19:54,988 --> 01:19:57,354
that's been spreading with some
of the right-wing governments
1678
01:19:57,491 --> 01:19:59,118
across North America.
They pick onto people
1679
01:19:59,259 --> 01:20:01,386
that can't defend
themselves and at the same time,
1680
01:20:01,528 --> 01:20:03,155
they're turning around and
giving financial support
1681
01:20:03,297 --> 01:20:06,266
and tax breaks and tax benefits
to people that don't need them.
1682
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,631
- Where are the indigents in
the city? Where do they live?
1683
01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:12,568
- Uh... indigent... uh...
1684
01:20:12,706 --> 01:20:15,072
- You act like you've never heard
the word before.
1685
01:20:15,208 --> 01:20:17,073
- There's... We don't have that
problem here, really. It's...
1686
01:20:17,210 --> 01:20:18,575
- So I asked him,
1687
01:20:18,712 --> 01:20:21,078
"Could you at least take me
to a Canadian slum,"
1688
01:20:21,214 --> 01:20:22,681
and well...
1689
01:20:22,816 --> 01:20:25,979
this is what a ghetto
looks like in Canada.
1690
01:20:26,119 --> 01:20:29,247
Is this the same mentality that
says, with Canadians, if someone
1691
01:20:29,389 --> 01:20:32,825
gets sick, they should actually
be able to have health care?
1692
01:20:32,959 --> 01:20:34,824
- Yeah.
- Oh, definitely.
1693
01:20:34,961 --> 01:20:37,088
- Yeah.
- Yup.
1694
01:20:37,230 --> 01:20:38,595
- Why?
1695
01:20:38,732 --> 01:20:40,529
- Because!
1696
01:20:40,667 --> 01:20:42,532
- Human rights. Everyone's got
the right to live.
1697
01:20:42,669 --> 01:20:44,534
- You just came out of
the emergency room?
1698
01:20:44,671 --> 01:20:46,104
- Yes, I did.
1699
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:48,605
- How much did you have to pay
for your treatment?
1700
01:20:48,742 --> 01:20:50,607
- The bill is covered
by our hospital plan.
1701
01:20:50,744 --> 01:20:52,609
- You're telling me you didn't
have to pay anything?
1702
01:20:52,746 --> 01:20:54,236
- No, I don't.
1703
01:20:54,381 --> 01:20:56,747
- I have family that lives
in the States.
1704
01:20:56,883 --> 01:20:59,249
They used to live in Canada
and moved over there.
1705
01:20:59,386 --> 01:21:02,617
And it's so different.
- They get afraid more easily.
1706
01:21:02,756 --> 01:21:04,621
- Oh, yeah.
1707
01:21:04,758 --> 01:21:06,623
Yeah, very much so.
1708
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:10,628
'Cause everybody reacts
over there just like that.
1709
01:21:10,764 --> 01:21:13,562
They don't stop and think.
1710
01:21:13,700 --> 01:21:18,069
First reaction is pull the gun
out. "You're on my property."
1711
01:21:18,205 --> 01:21:21,572
You know, like...
1712
01:21:21,708 --> 01:21:24,871
I don't know. It's just
different over here.
1713
01:21:25,011 --> 01:21:26,876
- Where do you live?
- Detroit.
(Windsor, Canada)
1714
01:21:27,013 --> 01:21:28,571
- Come over to Canada here
for the night?
1715
01:21:28,715 --> 01:21:30,080
- Right.
1716
01:21:30,217 --> 01:21:33,311
- People are more open-minded
here, a bit more welcoming.
1717
01:21:33,453 --> 01:21:36,081
- Feel any difference when
you cross over to this country?
1718
01:21:36,223 --> 01:21:38,248
Be honest, now, come on.
- It's a lot lighter.
1719
01:21:38,392 --> 01:21:40,257
- The segregation over there
is definitely much more--
1720
01:21:40,394 --> 01:21:42,259
- In the United States.
- ...more intensified
1721
01:21:42,396 --> 01:21:44,261
in the States, yeah.
- Yeah.
1722
01:21:44,398 --> 01:21:46,457
- So you can... You can feel it.
1723
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:48,761
- Almost like they just
let you be.
1724
01:21:48,902 --> 01:21:50,995
- That's Canada for you.
1725
01:21:51,138 --> 01:21:53,106
- Every time I turn on the TV
in the States,
1726
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:56,607
it's always about a murder here,
a gunfight, hostile position...
1727
01:21:56,743 --> 01:22:00,110
- I just think the States, their
view of things is fighting.
1728
01:22:00,247 --> 01:22:02,112
That's how they resolve
everything.
1729
01:22:02,249 --> 01:22:05,116
If there's... there's something
going on in another country,
1730
01:22:05,252 --> 01:22:07,117
they send people over
to fight it and...
1731
01:22:07,254 --> 01:22:09,620
- They are the most powerful
country in the world, though.
1732
01:22:09,756 --> 01:22:11,553
- Canada's more just, like,
"Let's negotiate,
1733
01:22:11,691 --> 01:22:14,057
let's work something out."
Where the States is,
1734
01:22:14,194 --> 01:22:16,594
"We'll kill you and that'll be
the end of that."
1735
01:22:16,730 --> 01:22:21,565
- Um, if guns were...
If more guns made people safer,
1736
01:22:21,701 --> 01:22:24,761
then America would be one of the
safest countries in the world.
1737
01:22:24,905 --> 01:22:26,805
It isn't. It's the opposite.
1738
01:23:11,451 --> 01:23:13,419
- I heard that 911 call,
you know, on TV someplace.
1739
01:23:13,553 --> 01:23:15,418
It was horrible. It was just...
1740
01:23:15,555 --> 01:23:17,284
- 'Cause he kept asking,
"Where's the shooter?"
1741
01:23:17,424 --> 01:23:19,415
She said, "He's gone.
I need some help."
1742
01:23:19,559 --> 01:23:20,958
- The little girl was
in there too?
1743
01:23:21,094 --> 01:23:24,029
- She was on the floor, yes.
1744
01:23:24,164 --> 01:23:26,064
- And the police and
the medics came, or...
1745
01:23:26,199 --> 01:23:28,064
- By the time the medics were
here...
1746
01:23:28,201 --> 01:23:31,068
The medics had just come in
and I remember him stepping in
1747
01:23:31,204 --> 01:23:34,071
and taking over the room.
He said, "You have to leave."
1748
01:23:34,207 --> 01:23:36,072
- All right.
- And then when the meds come in,
1749
01:23:36,209 --> 01:23:38,575
when the police come in,
you're no longer in control.
1750
01:23:38,712 --> 01:23:41,579
They take over the building.
- Was she still alive then?
1751
01:23:41,715 --> 01:23:43,979
- Her lips had become
totally blue.
1752
01:23:46,586 --> 01:23:48,247
- Back in my hometown
of Flint, Michigan,
1753
01:23:48,355 --> 01:23:52,052
a six-year-old first-grade boy,
at Buell Elementary,
1754
01:23:52,192 --> 01:23:54,592
had found a gun
at his uncle's house,
1755
01:23:54,728 --> 01:23:58,061
where he was staying because
his mother was being evicted.
1756
01:23:58,198 --> 01:24:02,066
He brought the gun to school
and shot another first-grader,
1757
01:24:02,202 --> 01:24:05,228
six-year-old Kayla Rolland.
1758
01:24:05,372 --> 01:24:07,602
With one bullet that passed
through her body,
1759
01:24:07,741 --> 01:24:10,369
she fell to the floor
and laid there dying
1760
01:24:10,510 --> 01:24:13,968
while her teacher called 911
for help.
1761
01:24:14,114 --> 01:24:15,945
No one knew why the little boy
1762
01:24:16,082 --> 01:24:17,640
wanted to shoot
the little girl.
1763
01:24:17,784 --> 01:24:19,979
As if the city
had not been through
1764
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:21,144
enough horror and tragedy
1765
01:24:21,288 --> 01:24:23,654
in the past two decades,
it was now home
1766
01:24:23,790 --> 01:24:26,918
to a new record: the youngest
school shooting ever
1767
01:24:27,060 --> 01:24:28,925
in the United States.
1768
01:24:29,062 --> 01:24:31,724
On the morning of the shooting,
1769
01:24:31,865 --> 01:24:35,824
it only took the helicopters
and satellite trucks
1770
01:24:35,969 --> 01:24:37,402
a half-hour to show up.
1771
01:24:37,537 --> 01:24:39,095
- They check in the truck.
1772
01:24:39,239 --> 01:24:42,174
You know, we're doing one
in 30 minutes again.
1773
01:24:42,309 --> 01:24:44,174
- This evening,
about seven o'clock,
1774
01:24:44,311 --> 01:24:47,041
will be a public memorial
service. Hundreds of people
1775
01:24:47,180 --> 01:24:50,513
will mourn the loss of little
Kayla, a tiny little girl
1776
01:24:50,650 --> 01:24:52,675
who loved pizza, teddy bears,
1777
01:24:52,819 --> 01:24:55,913
and who was taken away from us
much too soon. Gina?
1778
01:24:56,056 --> 01:24:57,921
- Good morning, Christine.
The funeral home now passing out
1779
01:24:58,058 --> 01:25:00,083
tens of thousands
of these pink ribbons
1780
01:25:00,226 --> 01:25:02,592
to support the young
girl's family.
1781
01:25:02,729 --> 01:25:05,095
Today will be an emotional day
and has been already,
1782
01:25:05,231 --> 01:25:07,131
remembering little Kayla.
1783
01:25:07,267 --> 01:25:09,132
Jeff Ross, Fox-2 News.
1784
01:25:11,671 --> 01:25:13,070
- Nice job.
1785
01:25:15,175 --> 01:25:17,541
- Yeah, Michelle, we're having
technical problems, okay?
1786
01:25:17,677 --> 01:25:20,703
Well, don't talk to me about it,
call our sat truck.
1787
01:25:20,847 --> 01:25:22,712
I need a haircut, man.
1788
01:25:22,849 --> 01:25:26,046
I'm a pig. A rug.
1789
01:25:26,186 --> 01:25:27,585
Here we go.
1790
01:25:32,692 --> 01:25:34,557
Some too choked up
even to speak about it.
1791
01:25:34,694 --> 01:25:36,559
There's a memorial service
scheduled here
1792
01:25:36,696 --> 01:25:38,561
for seven o'clock tonight.
1793
01:25:38,698 --> 01:25:40,563
We're live in Flint, Michigan,
this afternoon.
1794
01:25:40,700 --> 01:25:42,600
Jeff Ross, Q-13 Reports.
1795
01:25:47,207 --> 01:25:48,834
Thank you.
- Thank you.
1796
01:25:48,908 --> 01:25:50,876
- Want some hairspray?
1797
01:25:50,944 --> 01:25:52,912
- I kind of need it, don't I?
- Yeah, you do,
1798
01:25:52,979 --> 01:25:54,003
- I got some...
1799
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,139
- I have some. I just didn't put
it in. I didn't have a chance.
1800
01:25:56,216 --> 01:25:57,911
I have hurricane-proof hairspray.
1801
01:25:57,984 --> 01:26:02,318
This man prayed for Kayla
then let the balloon go.
1802
01:26:02,455 --> 01:26:03,979
I say we have
the colour picture,
1803
01:26:04,124 --> 01:26:05,182
not the black-and-white.
1804
01:26:05,325 --> 01:26:07,190
Plenty of media here
that covered Columbine.
1805
01:26:07,327 --> 01:26:09,591
You know, there are
some networks, especially,
1806
01:26:09,729 --> 01:26:12,527
that go from, unfortunately,
tragedy to tragedy.
1807
01:26:12,666 --> 01:26:18,036
And, uh, I feel bad for them.
Because that's all they see...
1808
01:26:18,171 --> 01:26:20,162
The tragedies.
1809
01:26:20,306 --> 01:26:23,400
We're just trying
to crunch right now
1810
01:26:23,543 --> 01:26:25,534
for the five and the six.
1811
01:26:25,679 --> 01:26:29,740
Today, we're feeding
CNN and Fox, so...
1812
01:26:29,883 --> 01:26:34,047
- The national media had never
visited Buell Elementary,
1813
01:26:34,187 --> 01:26:37,054
or the Beecher school district
in which it sat,
1814
01:26:37,190 --> 01:26:39,556
or this part of Flint
ever before.
1815
01:26:39,693 --> 01:26:43,060
And few, if any, of these
reporters bothered to visit it
1816
01:26:43,196 --> 01:26:45,061
even when they were here now.
1817
01:26:45,198 --> 01:26:48,565
If they had ventured just
a block away from the school
1818
01:26:48,702 --> 01:26:50,567
or the funeral home,
they might have seen
1819
01:26:50,704 --> 01:26:53,070
a different kind of tragedy
that, perhaps, would contain
1820
01:26:53,206 --> 01:26:56,767
some answers as to why
this little girl was dead.
1821
01:26:58,745 --> 01:27:01,077
For over 20 years,
this impoverished area,
1822
01:27:01,214 --> 01:27:03,205
in the hometown
1823
01:27:03,349 --> 01:27:05,214
of the world's
largest corporation,
1824
01:27:05,351 --> 01:27:07,945
had been ignored as completely
as it had been destroyed.
1825
01:27:08,088 --> 01:27:11,421
With 87% of the students
living below
1826
01:27:11,558 --> 01:27:13,423
the official poverty line,
1827
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:17,257
Buell and Beecher, and Flint,
did not fit into
1828
01:27:17,397 --> 01:27:19,558
the accepted and widely
circulated story line
1829
01:27:19,699 --> 01:27:22,293
put forth by
the nation's media.
1830
01:27:22,435 --> 01:27:26,633
That being the one
about America
1831
01:27:26,773 --> 01:27:28,673
and its invincible economy.
1832
01:27:34,114 --> 01:27:36,480
The number-one cause of death
among young people
1833
01:27:36,616 --> 01:27:39,813
in this part of Flint was
homicide. The football field,
1834
01:27:39,953 --> 01:27:43,150
at Flint-Beecher, was sponsored
by a funeral home.
1835
01:27:43,289 --> 01:27:46,918
The kids at Beecher have won
1836
01:27:47,060 --> 01:27:49,028
13 state track championships,
1837
01:27:49,162 --> 01:27:51,027
but they've never had
1838
01:27:51,164 --> 01:27:53,530
a home track meet.
1839
01:27:53,666 --> 01:27:55,566
Because around
the football field,
1840
01:27:55,702 --> 01:27:57,533
all they have is
this dirt ring.
1841
01:28:00,740 --> 01:28:04,267
Years ago, someone here
named the streets,
1842
01:28:04,410 --> 01:28:07,675
in this part of town, after
all the Ivy League schools,
1843
01:28:07,814 --> 01:28:11,113
as if they had dreamed
of better days
1844
01:28:11,251 --> 01:28:13,549
and something greater
for themselves.
1845
01:28:20,493 --> 01:28:23,860
- The children are doing well.
1846
01:28:23,997 --> 01:28:26,022
The faculty and staff
are doing well.
1847
01:28:26,166 --> 01:28:28,031
But we don't forget.
1848
01:28:28,168 --> 01:28:30,966
We don't forget.
1849
01:28:31,104 --> 01:28:33,470
Just don't want this happening
to anybody else, you know?
1850
01:28:33,606 --> 01:28:36,040
It's...
[ She sighs ]
1851
01:28:36,176 --> 01:28:38,041
- I know.
1852
01:28:38,178 --> 01:28:42,046
I know. I don't want it to
happen to anybody else either.
1853
01:28:42,182 --> 01:28:46,551
- Hmm...
- It's okay. It's okay.
1854
01:28:46,686 --> 01:28:48,313
It's okay.
1855
01:28:48,688 --> 01:28:50,087
It's okay.
1856
01:28:54,694 --> 01:28:57,094
I'm sorry.
- That's all right.
1857
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,567
[ Charlton Heston ]:
...from my cold, dead hands!
1858
01:29:03,703 --> 01:29:06,570
[ cheering ]
- Just as he did
1859
01:29:06,706 --> 01:29:09,937
after the Columbine shooting,
Charlton Heston showed up
1860
01:29:10,076 --> 01:29:12,840
in Flint to have
a big pro-gun rally.
1861
01:29:12,979 --> 01:29:14,844
- Freedom has never seen
1862
01:29:14,981 --> 01:29:19,077
greater peril nor needed
you more urgently
1863
01:29:19,219 --> 01:29:21,346
to come to her defence than now.
1864
01:29:21,487 --> 01:29:23,079
- Before he came to Flint,
Heston was interviewed
1865
01:29:23,223 --> 01:29:26,522
by the Georgetown Hoya
about Kayla's death,
1866
01:29:26,659 --> 01:29:29,093
and even his own NRA website
talked about it.
1867
01:29:29,229 --> 01:29:32,255
- We wanted to let the NRA know
that we haven't forgotten
1868
01:29:32,398 --> 01:29:33,660
about Kayla Rolland.
1869
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,268
How could they come here?
To me, it's like they're rubbing
1870
01:29:36,402 --> 01:29:38,427
our nose in it. I was shocked
1871
01:29:38,571 --> 01:29:40,266
and appalled that
they would come here.
1872
01:29:40,406 --> 01:29:43,671
- Heston was asked by a local
reporter why he came to Flint
1873
01:29:43,810 --> 01:29:46,176
after the tragedy at Buell,
1874
01:29:46,312 --> 01:29:48,177
and what did the NRA
have to say
1875
01:29:48,314 --> 01:29:50,339
about six-year-olds using guns.
1876
01:29:50,483 --> 01:29:55,352
- We spend $20 million every year
1877
01:29:55,488 --> 01:29:58,616
and then we teach you...
to five and six-year-olds,
1878
01:29:58,758 --> 01:30:01,625
we say, "If you see a gun,
don't touch it,
1879
01:30:01,761 --> 01:30:04,127
leave the room, call an adult."
1880
01:30:04,264 --> 01:30:06,789
- And then Moses himself
showed up.
1881
01:30:06,933 --> 01:30:08,798
- Right here in the city
of Flint?
1882
01:30:08,935 --> 01:30:10,800
- Right here in Flint.
1883
01:30:10,937 --> 01:30:12,837
- Were there people that wanted
you to try this child,
1884
01:30:12,939 --> 01:30:14,907
Arthur Busch
County Prosecutor, Flint, Michigan
1885
01:30:15,041 --> 01:30:18,067
or even try him as an adult?
- Oh... Oh, yeah.
1886
01:30:18,211 --> 01:30:22,079
There were people from all over
America that wrote and called
1887
01:30:22,215 --> 01:30:26,584
and sent mail and...
It was amazing to me, um...
1888
01:30:26,719 --> 01:30:29,586
groups that were affiliated
with the NRA -
1889
01:30:29,722 --> 01:30:33,590
groups, you know, people
that I call "gun nuts" -
1890
01:30:33,726 --> 01:30:36,593
writing me and telling me
what a horrible thing it was
1891
01:30:36,729 --> 01:30:41,098
that I had admonished homeowners
in our country
1892
01:30:41,234 --> 01:30:45,102
to be careful about bringing
weapons into their home.
1893
01:30:45,238 --> 01:30:48,605
They wanted this little boy
hung from the highest tree.
1894
01:30:48,741 --> 01:30:51,608
I mean, there was such
an undercurrent of racism
1895
01:30:51,744 --> 01:30:54,212
and hate and anger.
1896
01:30:54,314 --> 01:30:56,043
It was ugly.
1897
01:30:58,451 --> 01:30:59,975
- That's a picture that
the little boy that was involved
1898
01:31:00,186 --> 01:31:01,448
in the Buell-school shooting...
1899
01:31:01,587 --> 01:31:03,612
Once he was brought back here
to our office,
1900
01:31:03,756 --> 01:31:06,122
about 15 minutes after
the shooting took place,
1901
01:31:06,259 --> 01:31:08,727
I gave him some crayons to kind
of occupy him a little bit.
1902
01:31:08,795 --> 01:31:10,729
Michael Caldwell
Police Detective
1903
01:31:10,797 --> 01:31:12,697
He came over and drew
that picture for me.
1904
01:31:12,765 --> 01:31:14,892
Because at the time, I had
pictures right behind my desk
1905
01:31:15,034 --> 01:31:17,901
that my children had drew for me
and he wanted to draw me one.
1906
01:31:18,037 --> 01:31:21,438
- This is what he drew for you.
What did he say this was?
1907
01:31:21,574 --> 01:31:22,768
- That's him at his house.
1908
01:31:22,909 --> 01:31:24,706
- That's him at his house,
right here.
1909
01:31:24,844 --> 01:31:29,076
And why did you decide
to hang on to it?
1910
01:31:29,215 --> 01:31:32,082
- Because of the gravity of the
situation and what had occurred
1911
01:31:32,218 --> 01:31:34,584
and he asked me to hang that
behind my desk,
1912
01:31:34,721 --> 01:31:37,622
so I put it in a frame
and that's where it'll stay.
1913
01:31:39,726 --> 01:31:43,093
- Tamarla Owens was the mother
of the six-year-old boy.
1914
01:31:43,229 --> 01:31:44,628
In order to get food stamps and
health care for her children,
1915
01:31:47,934 --> 01:31:50,095
Tamarla was forced to work as
part of the state of Michigan's
1916
01:31:50,236 --> 01:31:52,568
Welfare-to-Work Program.
1917
01:31:52,705 --> 01:31:54,764
This program was so successful
1918
01:31:54,907 --> 01:31:56,602
in tossing poor people
off welfare
1919
01:31:56,743 --> 01:31:58,176
that it's founder,
1920
01:31:58,311 --> 01:32:00,176
Gerald Miller, was soon hired
1921
01:32:00,313 --> 01:32:03,339
by the number-one firm in the
country that states turned to
1922
01:32:03,483 --> 01:32:07,783
to privatize
their welfare systems.
1923
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,686
That firm was Lockheed Martin.
With the cold war over
1924
01:32:11,824 --> 01:32:14,292
and no enemy left
to frighten the public,
1925
01:32:14,427 --> 01:32:16,292
Lockheed had found
the perfect way to diversify
1926
01:32:16,429 --> 01:32:18,056
and the perfect way
1927
01:32:18,197 --> 01:32:20,062
to profit from people's fears,
1928
01:32:20,199 --> 01:32:22,064
with an enemy
much closer to home:
1929
01:32:22,201 --> 01:32:24,601
poor black mothers
1930
01:32:24,737 --> 01:32:26,398
like Tamarla Owens.
1931
01:32:26,539 --> 01:32:29,508
- We've got a one-parent family and
the mother's travelling 60 miles.
1932
01:32:29,609 --> 01:32:32,169
Sheriff Robert Pickell
Flint, Michigan
1933
01:32:32,278 --> 01:32:34,473
An hour, an hour and a half
away to go to work
1934
01:32:34,547 --> 01:32:36,538
an hour, an hour and a half
to come home.
1935
01:32:36,616 --> 01:32:38,914
How does that help a community?
But that's part of the state...
1936
01:32:39,052 --> 01:32:40,952
you know, making parents
responsible, making them work--
1937
01:32:41,087 --> 01:32:42,987
- Welfare to work.
- Welfare to work.
1938
01:32:43,122 --> 01:32:45,113
That's a program
that ought to be stopped
1939
01:32:45,258 --> 01:32:47,123
because it really has no merit.
1940
01:32:47,260 --> 01:32:49,125
I think it adds more
to the problem
1941
01:32:49,262 --> 01:32:51,127
than it does to solve it.
1942
01:32:51,264 --> 01:32:53,095
- Really?
- I do.
1943
01:32:53,232 --> 01:32:55,097
- You're the sheriff
and you feel this way.
1944
01:32:55,234 --> 01:32:59,102
- I do, I do. I wish I could put
two parents in every home
1945
01:32:59,238 --> 01:33:00,796
and make every parent
equally responsible,
1946
01:33:00,940 --> 01:33:02,237
but I can't do that.
1947
01:33:02,375 --> 01:33:04,240
But we're not doing anything
by taking one parent
1948
01:33:04,377 --> 01:33:07,244
and putting them on a bus
and sending them out of town
1949
01:33:07,380 --> 01:33:09,871
to make $5.50 an hour.
1950
01:33:10,016 --> 01:33:12,814
- This is the bus that she was
forced to ride every day
1951
01:33:12,952 --> 01:33:14,817
in order to work off
the welfare money
1952
01:33:14,954 --> 01:33:16,854
the state had given her.
1953
01:33:20,193 --> 01:33:22,559
She, and many others from Flint
who were poor,
1954
01:33:22,695 --> 01:33:25,562
would make the 80-mile
round-trip journey every day,
1955
01:33:25,698 --> 01:33:28,258
from Flint to Auburn Hills,
in Oakland County,
1956
01:33:28,401 --> 01:33:32,770
one of the wealthiest areas
in the country.
1957
01:33:32,905 --> 01:33:34,770
Tamarla would leave
1958
01:33:34,907 --> 01:33:38,343
early in the morning
and return late at night,
1959
01:33:38,478 --> 01:33:41,845
rarely seeing
her young children.
1960
01:33:41,981 --> 01:33:45,075
- What's the point in doing that?
Where does the state benefit?
1961
01:33:45,218 --> 01:33:47,584
Where does Flint and Genesee
County benefit from that?
1962
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,587
We have a child dead.
I think that may be, in part,
1963
01:33:50,723 --> 01:33:52,588
part of the problem.
1964
01:33:52,725 --> 01:33:56,092
We drove the one parent out.
1965
01:33:56,229 --> 01:34:00,097
Now, you or anybody else
that can tell me
1966
01:34:00,233 --> 01:34:03,100
that that best serves
the community,
1967
01:34:03,236 --> 01:34:05,932
I shake my head and wonder why.
1968
01:34:06,072 --> 01:34:08,666
- How long you been riding
the bus?
1969
01:34:08,808 --> 01:34:10,241
- I've been working here
1970
01:34:10,376 --> 01:34:12,537
just about three years now.
- About three years?
1971
01:34:12,678 --> 01:34:16,045
- Yeah. My brother...
I got my brother working here,
1972
01:34:16,182 --> 01:34:18,047
half of my neighbourhood
works out here.
1973
01:34:18,184 --> 01:34:21,642
Just about everybody I know
personally works in the mall.
1974
01:34:21,787 --> 01:34:24,551
In Flint, doing the same thing
I'm doing now,
1975
01:34:24,690 --> 01:34:27,557
they only pay minimum wage
in Flint. I come 40 miles
1976
01:34:27,693 --> 01:34:30,059
to make three or four
dollars more an hour.
1977
01:34:30,196 --> 01:34:33,063
- How much do you make an hour?
- I make 8.50 now.
1978
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:35,064
- Is that enough
to pay the bills?
1979
01:34:35,201 --> 01:34:36,600
- No.
1980
01:34:36,736 --> 01:34:38,829
- So did you know Tamarla Owens,
1981
01:34:38,971 --> 01:34:41,872
the woman whose son
shot the little girl?
1982
01:34:42,008 --> 01:34:44,568
I think she rode this bus.
- I knew her a little bit.
1983
01:34:44,710 --> 01:34:47,076
Not real good.
- Nice lady?
1984
01:34:47,213 --> 01:34:50,580
- Yeah, she was okay. She came
to work every day, did her job.
1985
01:34:50,716 --> 01:34:53,082
She worked two jobs, so...
- She worked two jobs?
1986
01:34:53,219 --> 01:34:55,779
- She was trying
to make ends meet.
1987
01:34:55,922 --> 01:34:57,787
"We're going hopping
We're going hopping today
1988
01:34:57,924 --> 01:34:59,585
"Where things are popping...
1989
01:34:59,725 --> 01:35:01,852
- This is Dick Clark's
American Bandstand Grill,
1990
01:35:01,994 --> 01:35:04,963
where Tamarla worked
one of her two jobs.
1991
01:35:05,097 --> 01:35:06,962
"On the Bandstand
Bandstand"
1992
01:35:07,099 --> 01:35:10,591
- I think she worked in this room
here, as a bartender,
1993
01:35:10,736 --> 01:35:14,536
fountain-person making drinks,
making shakes, desserts.
1994
01:35:14,674 --> 01:35:17,302
- Was she a good employee?
- Yeah, she was.
1995
01:35:17,443 --> 01:35:20,412
She also worked at the Fudgery,
in the mall here.
1996
01:35:23,249 --> 01:35:25,717
- Dick Clark is
an American icon,
1997
01:35:25,851 --> 01:35:28,911
the man who brought rock'n'roll
into our homes every week
1998
01:35:29,055 --> 01:35:29,953
on American Bandstand.
1999
01:35:30,089 --> 01:35:32,455
- Every part of your life,
you can link up
2000
01:35:32,592 --> 01:35:34,492
to a part of music, usually.
So, as Dick says,
2001
01:35:34,627 --> 01:35:36,561
"It's the soundtrack
of our lives."
2002
01:35:36,696 --> 01:35:39,756
Music's the soundtrack
of our lives.
2003
01:35:39,899 --> 01:35:42,060
- His restaurant and the
Fudgery, here in Auburn Hills,
2004
01:35:42,201 --> 01:35:44,897
applied for special tax breaks
because they were using
2005
01:35:45,037 --> 01:35:46,902
welfare people as employees.
2006
01:35:47,039 --> 01:35:49,234
Even though Tamarla worked
up to 70 hours a week
2007
01:35:49,375 --> 01:35:51,240
at these two jobs
2008
01:35:51,377 --> 01:35:54,904
in the mall, she did not earn
enough to pay her rent.
2009
01:35:55,047 --> 01:35:56,912
And one week before
the shooting,
2010
01:35:57,049 --> 01:35:58,812
was told by her landlord
2011
01:35:58,951 --> 01:36:00,816
that he was evicting her.
2012
01:36:00,953 --> 01:36:03,444
With nowhere to go
and not wanting to take
2013
01:36:03,589 --> 01:36:07,116
her two children out of school,
Tamarla asked her brother
2014
01:36:07,260 --> 01:36:09,660
if they could stay with him
for a few weeks.
2015
01:36:09,795 --> 01:36:11,592
It was there that Tamarla's son
2016
01:36:11,731 --> 01:36:16,498
found a small 32-calibre gun
and took it to school.
2017
01:36:16,636 --> 01:36:19,036
Tamarla did not see him
take the gun to school,
2018
01:36:19,171 --> 01:36:22,038
because she was on a state bus
to go serve drinks
2019
01:36:22,174 --> 01:36:24,540
and make fudge for rich people.
2020
01:36:24,677 --> 01:36:27,305
"Bandstand"
2021
01:36:30,449 --> 01:36:32,314
I decided to fly out
to California
2022
01:36:32,451 --> 01:36:35,249
to ask Dick Clark what
he thought about a system
2023
01:36:35,388 --> 01:36:37,686
that forces poor,
single mothers to work
2024
01:36:37,823 --> 01:36:40,053
two low-wage jobs to survive.
2025
01:36:40,192 --> 01:36:44,060
I'm doing a documentary
on these school shootings
2026
01:36:44,196 --> 01:36:46,061
and, you know,
guns and all that.
2027
01:36:46,198 --> 01:36:50,066
And in my hometown of Flint
Michigan, which you know,
2028
01:36:50,202 --> 01:36:52,568
this little six-year-old
shot a six-year-old--
2029
01:36:52,705 --> 01:36:55,572
- Get in the car, Dave!
Watch your arm, watch your arm.
2030
01:36:55,708 --> 01:36:58,575
- Oop, sorry, sorry.
- I'm sorry, we're really late.
2031
01:36:58,711 --> 01:37:01,578
- Anyways, but the mother of
the kid who did the shooting
2032
01:37:01,714 --> 01:37:04,080
works at Dick Clark's
All-American Grill...
2033
01:37:04,216 --> 01:37:06,081
- Forget it.
- ...in Oakland County...
2034
01:37:06,218 --> 01:37:08,083
- Close the door.
- A Welfare-to-work program--
2035
01:37:08,220 --> 01:37:10,085
- Close the door.
- These people are forced...
2036
01:37:10,222 --> 01:37:12,019
Dick, no...
- Bye-bye. Come on, move over!
2037
01:37:12,158 --> 01:37:15,025
- I want you to help me convince
the governor of Michigan...
2038
01:37:15,161 --> 01:37:18,028
It's a Welfare-to-work pro...
These women are forced to work!
2039
01:37:18,164 --> 01:37:20,029
They've got kids at home. Dick!
2040
01:37:20,166 --> 01:37:21,793
Ah, jeez!
2041
01:37:21,934 --> 01:37:24,528
In George Bush's America,
2042
01:37:24,670 --> 01:37:27,400
the poor were not a priority.
2043
01:37:27,540 --> 01:37:30,236
And after September 11th, 2001,
2044
01:37:30,376 --> 01:37:32,844
correcting America's
social problems
2045
01:37:32,978 --> 01:37:34,878
took a back seat to fear,
2046
01:37:35,014 --> 01:37:37,744
panic and a new set
of priorities.
2047
01:37:37,883 --> 01:37:40,545
- One way to express our unity
2048
01:37:40,686 --> 01:37:44,554
is for Congress to set
the military budget,
2049
01:37:44,690 --> 01:37:46,555
the defence of
the United States,
2050
01:37:46,692 --> 01:37:50,526
as the number-one priority
and fully fund my request!
2051
01:37:55,201 --> 01:37:57,294
- We've been selling
a lot of chemical suits,
2052
01:37:57,436 --> 01:38:00,064
with the gloves and the hoods.
2053
01:38:00,206 --> 01:38:02,367
And we've been selling
a lot of gas masks.
2054
01:38:02,508 --> 01:38:04,703
- I'm trying to get one
for myself and my puppy.
2055
01:38:04,844 --> 01:38:06,607
[female reporter]:
Denis Marks and his wife
2056
01:38:06,746 --> 01:38:07,906
have been stocking up supplies.
2057
01:38:08,047 --> 01:38:10,106
- Weapons, ammunition...
2058
01:38:10,249 --> 01:38:12,046
[ male reporter]: Wal-Mart says
after September 11th,
2059
01:38:12,184 --> 01:38:14,516
gun sales surged 70%,
2060
01:38:14,653 --> 01:38:16,746
ammunition up 140%.
2061
01:38:16,889 --> 01:38:18,880
In Dallas, they're
already taking potshots
2062
01:38:19,024 --> 01:38:20,889
at Osama bin Laden.
2063
01:38:21,026 --> 01:38:22,891
- In the months following
the 9/11 attacks,
2064
01:38:23,028 --> 01:38:26,725
we, Americans, were gripped
in a state of fear.
2065
01:38:26,866 --> 01:38:28,800
None of us knew
if we too would die
2066
01:38:28,934 --> 01:38:31,300
at the hands of the evildoers,
2067
01:38:31,437 --> 01:38:32,927
or who might be sitting
2068
01:38:33,072 --> 01:38:35,905
next to some crazy guy trying
to light his shoes on fire.
2069
01:38:36,041 --> 01:38:37,599
The threat seemed very real.
2070
01:38:37,743 --> 01:38:41,042
- Sounds a little paranoid but
I'm not gonna take the chance.
2071
01:38:41,180 --> 01:38:43,148
Just trying to protect
myself and my family.
2072
01:38:43,282 --> 01:38:45,182
- Our growing fears were turned
2073
01:38:45,317 --> 01:38:47,285
into a handsome profit
for many.
2074
01:38:47,420 --> 01:38:48,819
- Mike Blake has seen
2075
01:38:48,954 --> 01:38:50,979
a 30% increase in sales at ADT
2076
01:38:51,123 --> 01:38:52,249
over the last month.
2077
01:38:52,391 --> 01:38:55,121
Most of the people he talks to
are still a little uneasy
2078
01:38:55,261 --> 01:38:57,422
over the September 11th
terrorist attacks.
2079
01:38:57,563 --> 01:38:59,827
- How are we afraid of all these
things, it's because
2080
01:38:59,965 --> 01:39:02,957
a lot of people are making
a lot of money off of it
2081
01:39:03,102 --> 01:39:05,093
and a lot of careers off of it.
2082
01:39:05,237 --> 01:39:07,262
And so, there's
vested interests,
2083
01:39:07,406 --> 01:39:09,772
a lot of activity
to keep us afraid.
2084
01:39:09,909 --> 01:39:12,571
- And what better way to fight
box-cutter-wielding terrorists
2085
01:39:12,711 --> 01:39:15,077
than to order a record number
of fighter jets
2086
01:39:15,214 --> 01:39:17,011
from Lockheed?
2087
01:39:17,149 --> 01:39:19,947
Yes, everyone felt safer,
especially with the army
2088
01:39:20,085 --> 01:39:22,178
doing garbage detail
on Park Avenue.
2089
01:39:22,321 --> 01:39:24,414
And the greatest benefit
of all of a terrorized public
2090
01:39:24,557 --> 01:39:26,582
is that the corporate
2091
01:39:26,725 --> 01:39:31,594
and political leaders can get
away with just about anything.
2092
01:39:31,730 --> 01:39:33,595
- I've never seen
a better example
2093
01:39:33,732 --> 01:39:35,597
of cash-and-carry government
2094
01:39:35,734 --> 01:39:40,194
than this Bush administration
and Enron.
2095
01:39:40,339 --> 01:39:42,204
- There were a lot of things
that I didn't know
2096
01:39:42,341 --> 01:39:44,206
after the World Trade Center
attack,
2097
01:39:44,343 --> 01:39:48,541
but one thing was clear:
whether it was before or after
2098
01:39:48,681 --> 01:39:52,447
September 11th, a public that's
this out of control with fear
2099
01:39:52,585 --> 01:39:55,145
should not have a lot of guns
or ammo laying around.
2100
01:39:57,256 --> 01:40:01,625
- Well, I was shot with a Tech-9.
2101
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:03,625
- Nine millimetre?
2102
01:40:03,762 --> 01:40:05,662
- Yeah. Yeah, I was, uh...
2103
01:40:07,766 --> 01:40:09,631
I guess it was supposed
to be semi-automatic,
2104
01:40:09,768 --> 01:40:12,066
but it kind of seemed like
fully automatic to me,
2105
01:40:12,204 --> 01:40:15,401
from what I remember.
- This is Richard Costaldo.
2106
01:40:15,541 --> 01:40:19,568
And this is Mark Taylor.
Both of these boys were shot
2107
01:40:19,712 --> 01:40:21,907
the day of
the Columbine massacre.
2108
01:40:22,047 --> 01:40:26,108
Richard is paralyzed for life
and in a wheelchair.
2109
01:40:26,252 --> 01:40:30,086
And Mark is barely standing
after numerous operations.
2110
01:40:30,222 --> 01:40:32,588
- The kids at Columbine
had to pay a penalty.
2111
01:40:32,725 --> 01:40:34,750
We paid a penalty that day...
for this nation.
2112
01:40:34,894 --> 01:40:36,759
The way we look at it.
2113
01:40:36,896 --> 01:40:39,763
- Mark and Richard were disabled
and suffering
2114
01:40:39,899 --> 01:40:44,268
from the 17-cent K-Mart bullets
still embedded in their bodies.
2115
01:40:44,403 --> 01:40:47,634
As they showed me the various
entry points for the bullets,
2116
01:40:47,773 --> 01:40:50,105
I thought of one way
we could reduce
2117
01:40:50,242 --> 01:40:54,269
the number of guns and bullets
laying around. I asked the boys
2118
01:40:54,413 --> 01:40:58,281
if they'd like to go to K-Mart
to return the merchandise.
2119
01:41:01,253 --> 01:41:03,517
- Ready?
- You... you go.
2120
01:41:22,074 --> 01:41:26,033
K-Mart Headquarters
Troy, Michigan
2121
01:41:40,893 --> 01:41:42,258
- Hi.
2122
01:41:42,394 --> 01:41:44,259
- Excuse me, will you turn
the camera off, please?
2123
01:41:44,396 --> 01:41:47,263
- We're here to see Mr. Conaway.
- You have to turn the camera off
2124
01:41:47,399 --> 01:41:50,197
while you're in the building.
- Oh, okay, all right.
2125
01:41:50,269 --> 01:41:52,032
Okay, turn it off now.
2126
01:41:52,938 --> 01:41:55,202
[ One hour later]
- Hey, Michael.
- Hi, how are you?
2127
01:41:55,274 --> 01:41:57,765
- I'm Mary Lorenz. I'm director
of Media Relations for K-Mart.
2128
01:41:57,910 --> 01:42:00,105
- Oh, good. All right, good.
- How can I help you today?
2129
01:42:00,245 --> 01:42:03,112
- Well, I'm here today...
This is Richard Costaldo.
2130
01:42:03,248 --> 01:42:05,614
- Richard, nice to meet you.
- And this is Mark Taylor.
2131
01:42:05,751 --> 01:42:08,117
- Mark.
- And they're students
2132
01:42:08,253 --> 01:42:12,053
from Columbine High School.
They were shot at Columbine,
2133
01:42:12,191 --> 01:42:15,183
in the massacre,
with bullets from K-Mart.
2134
01:42:15,327 --> 01:42:18,023
- You came a long way.
All the way from Colorado.
2135
01:42:18,163 --> 01:42:22,065
- Yeah, I just...
I was thinking that...
2136
01:42:22,201 --> 01:42:24,066
since you stopped selling
the handguns and all,
2137
01:42:24,203 --> 01:42:28,071
it'd kind of make sense to stop
selling the bullets too.
2138
01:42:28,207 --> 01:42:31,074
- Our request is that you get rid
of nine-millimetre bullets
2139
01:42:31,210 --> 01:42:33,405
and that you don't sell them
in the store completely.
2140
01:42:33,545 --> 01:42:36,070
- We do carry... You probably
are aware of K-Mart -
2141
01:42:36,215 --> 01:42:38,581
hopefully, you're shoppers
at our stores -
2142
01:42:38,717 --> 01:42:42,585
that we do only carry, you know,
sporting firearms
2143
01:42:42,721 --> 01:42:47,590
and the accessories
that go with the hunting sport.
2144
01:42:47,726 --> 01:42:51,093
And we'll certainly take your
message to our chairman and CEO,
2145
01:42:51,230 --> 01:42:53,494
Chuck Conaway.
He's not here today.
2146
01:42:53,632 --> 01:42:56,192
- He's not here today?
- No. He's not here, actually,
2147
01:42:56,335 --> 01:42:58,895
this whole week.
- Not at all during the week?
2148
01:42:59,038 --> 01:43:01,905
Do you have a limit on the
number of bullets, ammunition,
2149
01:43:02,041 --> 01:43:03,906
that people can purchase?
- You know, I can't answer
2150
01:43:04,043 --> 01:43:06,102
these questions for you.
I'm not the merchandiser
2151
01:43:06,245 --> 01:43:07,644
who places those products
in our stores.
2152
01:43:07,780 --> 01:43:08,974
- Can we speak to that person?
2153
01:43:09,114 --> 01:43:11,173
- But I can get answers
to those questions for you.
2154
01:43:11,316 --> 01:43:13,807
If you leave your card, I could
get those answers for you.
2155
01:43:13,952 --> 01:43:15,419
- We don't want to leave a card.
2156
01:43:15,554 --> 01:43:17,715
The reason why
we can't take a card
2157
01:43:17,856 --> 01:43:19,756
and come back
is because Mark here,
2158
01:43:19,892 --> 01:43:22,759
he's got a K-Mart bullet
just an inch away... right?
2159
01:43:22,895 --> 01:43:24,760
- Yeah.
- From your aorta.
2160
01:43:24,897 --> 01:43:28,128
- In between my aorta and spine.
- Between your aorta and spine.
2161
01:43:28,267 --> 01:43:30,963
- I'm glad to see that
you're still able to stand.
2162
01:43:31,103 --> 01:43:33,571
- And I told him that somebody
here would listen,
2163
01:43:33,706 --> 01:43:36,072
somebody here would... would...
2164
01:43:36,208 --> 01:43:40,076
would take the request
seriously. Not just a PR person,
2165
01:43:40,212 --> 01:43:42,077
but somebody who has some
authority and can answer
2166
01:43:42,214 --> 01:43:44,648
some of the questions
that they want answered.
2167
01:43:44,783 --> 01:43:46,648
- K-Mart does care about this,
2168
01:43:46,785 --> 01:43:48,650
but I can't go any further
right now.
2169
01:43:48,787 --> 01:43:50,652
So until I make a call, um,
2170
01:43:50,789 --> 01:43:53,280
I'm gonna go back to the office
2171
01:43:53,425 --> 01:43:55,950
and see if there's anyone
in merchandising...
2172
01:43:56,095 --> 01:43:59,394
- Mary went back upstairs.
And two hours later,
2173
01:43:59,531 --> 01:44:02,398
she brought down this guy whose
job it is to buy the bullets
2174
01:44:02,534 --> 01:44:03,899
for K-Mart.
2175
01:44:04,036 --> 01:44:06,596
- Good. Stay out of trouble.
- Yes.
2176
01:44:06,739 --> 01:44:08,900
- We're not the ones in trouble,
guys.
2177
01:44:09,041 --> 01:44:11,100
Mark thought he'd show him
his bullet wounds.
2178
01:44:11,243 --> 01:44:13,040
Those are his bullet holes.
- Hm.
2179
01:44:13,178 --> 01:44:15,043
- From your bullets.
2180
01:44:15,180 --> 01:44:17,808
That's where the K-Mart bullets
went in.
2181
01:44:17,950 --> 01:44:19,815
- Well, take care.
2182
01:44:19,952 --> 01:44:22,546
- Is anybody else gonna
come down?
2183
01:44:22,688 --> 01:44:24,553
Is anybody else gonna come down?
Is that it?
2184
01:44:24,690 --> 01:44:26,920
- I'll check.
- Okay, thank you.
2185
01:44:27,059 --> 01:44:29,550
We waited around
a couple more hours
2186
01:44:29,695 --> 01:44:31,822
but no one else came down.
2187
01:44:31,964 --> 01:44:34,933
As we left the building,
Mark came up with an idea.
2188
01:44:35,067 --> 01:44:36,932
He suggested that we go
2189
01:44:37,069 --> 01:44:41,836
to the nearest K-Mart
and buy out all their bullets.
2190
01:44:41,974 --> 01:44:44,772
- Just take as many of those
as you can.
2191
01:44:44,910 --> 01:44:47,276
- Yeah, you can come around here
and look.
2192
01:44:47,412 --> 01:44:50,006
- What else do we have over here?
2193
01:44:50,149 --> 01:44:53,016
You got 357. Sure, I'll take 'em
all, take everything you got.
2194
01:44:53,152 --> 01:44:55,586
- So you're 17? You're what?
- Sixteen.
2195
01:44:55,721 --> 01:44:57,086
- Wait.
2196
01:44:57,222 --> 01:44:59,087
- Oh, shit!
2197
01:44:59,224 --> 01:45:01,522
- Oh, my God...
2198
01:45:01,660 --> 01:45:04,595
- Mark pretty much cleaned them
out of their ammunition.
2199
01:45:04,730 --> 01:45:07,961
And the next day, we decided to
go back to K-Mart headquarters
2200
01:45:08,100 --> 01:45:10,125
with all the bullets.
This time,
2201
01:45:10,302 --> 01:45:11,792
we brought the press.
2202
01:45:12,004 --> 01:45:13,335
- Our local first coverage
of south-eastern Michigan
2203
01:45:13,505 --> 01:45:15,029
continues now
with all-new stories.
2204
01:45:17,943 --> 01:45:19,968
- Coming up here on
our six-o'clock report,
2205
01:45:20,112 --> 01:45:21,841
a warning to everyone this
summer to watch out for snakes.
2206
01:45:21,947 --> 01:45:24,916
You'll hear from a mom who was
bitten by a rattlesnake.
2207
01:45:25,050 --> 01:45:26,915
- And also, students who survived
the Columbine massacre
2208
01:45:27,052 --> 01:45:30,544
are in town.
They are very angry with K-Mart.
2209
01:45:30,689 --> 01:45:33,658
- We're here to see Chuck
Conaway, the chairman of K-Mart.
2210
01:45:33,792 --> 01:45:35,555
- How you doing, sir?
It's always a pleasure.
2211
01:45:35,694 --> 01:45:39,061
Okay, uh...
2212
01:45:39,198 --> 01:45:42,099
They would like to speak
to Mr. Conaway.
2213
01:45:42,234 --> 01:45:46,000
- Here's the nine-millimetres.
2214
01:45:46,138 --> 01:45:48,663
These are the bullets
that are in both Richard
2215
01:45:48,807 --> 01:45:51,105
and in Mark's body right now.
2216
01:45:58,650 --> 01:45:59,674
- Move your group outside.
2217
01:45:59,818 --> 01:46:01,718
I'll have somebody here
in five minutes.
2218
01:46:01,854 --> 01:46:03,378
- Do me a favour,
don't block the door.
2219
01:46:03,522 --> 01:46:05,046
Just off to the side,
if you would.
2220
01:46:05,190 --> 01:46:06,748
- Will go outside and
somebody will come out.
2221
01:46:06,892 --> 01:46:07,950
- My name's Laurie McTavish.
2222
01:46:08,093 --> 01:46:10,653
I'm the Vice-president of
Communications for K-Mart.
2223
01:46:10,796 --> 01:46:14,027
I'm happy to deliver a statement
on behalf of the company.
2224
01:46:14,166 --> 01:46:17,533
What happened in Columbine,
Colorado, was truly tragic
2225
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:19,534
and touched every American.
2226
01:46:19,671 --> 01:46:22,037
We're sorry for the...
2227
01:46:22,174 --> 01:46:24,233
disadvantage to this young man.
2228
01:46:24,376 --> 01:46:27,038
K-Mart is phasing out the sale
of handgun ammunition.
2229
01:46:27,179 --> 01:46:30,478
The business plan calls
for this to be complete
2230
01:46:30,616 --> 01:46:34,552
in the continental U.S.
within the next 90 days.
2231
01:46:34,686 --> 01:46:36,051
- Wow! Wow!
2232
01:46:36,188 --> 01:46:38,053
- K-Mart representatives met
with Mr. Moore
2233
01:46:38,190 --> 01:46:40,556
and the students from Columbine,
Colorado, yesterday,
2234
01:46:40,692 --> 01:46:43,559
and listened to their concerns
about the product
2235
01:46:43,695 --> 01:46:45,560
carried in K-Mart stores.
2236
01:46:45,697 --> 01:46:48,564
The company committed,
at the end of that meeting,
2237
01:46:48,700 --> 01:46:52,431
that K-Mart would have an answer
for them within a week's time.
2238
01:46:52,571 --> 01:46:55,438
- Well, the first thing we want
to do is thank you
2239
01:46:55,574 --> 01:46:59,066
for committing to no longer
selling handgun ammunition
2240
01:46:59,211 --> 01:47:01,076
in your stores.
And within 90 days--
2241
01:47:01,213 --> 01:47:03,579
- The process will be phased out
within 90 days.
2242
01:47:03,715 --> 01:47:06,081
- And after 90 days,
there will be no more selling
2243
01:47:06,218 --> 01:47:09,085
of ammunition that can go into
handguns or assault weapons.
2244
01:47:09,221 --> 01:47:11,416
- Firearm ammunition, will be...
We will not sell it,
2245
01:47:11,556 --> 01:47:13,421
after 90 days, in our stores.
2246
01:47:13,558 --> 01:47:16,356
- We greatly appreciate that.
- Thank you.
2247
01:47:16,495 --> 01:47:18,554
- Thank you very much. Thank you.
That's very brave.
2248
01:47:21,667 --> 01:47:23,328
Thank you. Wow!
2249
01:47:23,468 --> 01:47:26,699
That blows my mind. That's
more than what we asked for.
2250
01:47:26,838 --> 01:47:29,534
- It's remarkable.
- Yeah. Well, like I told you--
2251
01:47:29,675 --> 01:47:31,540
- I didn't think--
- Did you think?
2252
01:47:31,677 --> 01:47:33,542
- No!
- We're like, uh...
2253
01:47:33,679 --> 01:47:37,775
We're just getting ready to...
We're going to the airport.
2254
01:47:37,916 --> 01:47:40,544
The kids from Columbine had
scored an overwhelming victory
2255
01:47:40,686 --> 01:47:42,551
against K-Mart
and it inspired me
2256
01:47:42,688 --> 01:47:46,784
to do something that
I knew I had to do.
2257
01:47:46,925 --> 01:47:49,485
All I needed... was a star map.
2258
01:47:54,700 --> 01:47:57,066
[ ringing gate bell ]
2259
01:47:57,202 --> 01:47:59,102
[ phone ringing ]
2260
01:48:10,215 --> 01:48:12,012
- Hello?
- Mr. Heston?
2261
01:48:12,150 --> 01:48:14,015
- Yeah.
- This is Michael Moore.
2262
01:48:14,152 --> 01:48:15,517
- Yes.
- The film-maker?
2263
01:48:15,654 --> 01:48:17,519
- Yes, of course.
- Yes. How you doing?
2264
01:48:17,656 --> 01:48:19,021
- Fine, thank you.
2265
01:48:19,157 --> 01:48:22,024
- Listen, I was wondering
if maybe I could talk to you.
2266
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:25,857
We're making a documentary
about the whole gun issue.
2267
01:48:25,998 --> 01:48:27,863
And I'm a member of the NRA.
2268
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,525
I thought maybe we could talk
a little bit about--
2269
01:48:30,669 --> 01:48:32,534
- Tell you what, let me look
at my calendar.
2270
01:48:32,671 --> 01:48:35,037
I may be able to give you
some time tomorrow.
2271
01:48:35,173 --> 01:48:38,040
I have some people here now.
- Okay, well, how can I--
2272
01:48:38,176 --> 01:48:39,541
Pardon me?
- Hold the phone.
2273
01:48:39,678 --> 01:48:41,270
- Okay, thank you.
- Okay.
2274
01:48:41,413 --> 01:48:44,041
I can give you a little time
tomorrow morning.
2275
01:48:44,182 --> 01:48:46,047
I think that's Thursday.
- Yes.
2276
01:48:46,184 --> 01:48:48,550
- Let's say 8:30.
- Eight-thirty in the morning?
2277
01:48:48,687 --> 01:48:50,552
- Yeah. Okay?
- Okay. And just come here?
2278
01:48:50,689 --> 01:48:53,351
- Yes.
- Okay, good.
2279
01:48:56,661 --> 01:48:58,561
[ phone ringing ]
- Hello?
2280
01:48:58,697 --> 01:49:01,063
- Hi. It's Michael Moore here
to see Charlton Heston.
2281
01:49:01,199 --> 01:49:03,099
- Okay.
[ beeping ]
2282
01:49:07,205 --> 01:49:09,105
[ theme music from
"Mr. Roger's Neighborhood" ]
2283
01:49:22,721 --> 01:49:25,121
- Hi. Good morning.
2284
01:49:30,228 --> 01:49:32,594
How are you?
- Fine.
2285
01:49:32,731 --> 01:49:34,995
- Thank you very much
for agreeing to see me.
2286
01:49:43,241 --> 01:49:45,607
He took me out
to his pool-and-tennis house
2287
01:49:45,744 --> 01:49:47,609
so we could have a chat.
2288
01:49:47,746 --> 01:49:50,681
I told him that I was
a lifetime member of the NRA
2289
01:49:50,816 --> 01:49:52,943
and showed him
my membership card.
2290
01:49:53,085 --> 01:49:54,882
- Good for you. Well done.
2291
01:49:55,020 --> 01:49:56,885
- I assume you have guns
in the house here?
2292
01:49:57,022 --> 01:50:00,116
- Indeed I do.
Bad guys take notice!
2293
01:50:00,258 --> 01:50:02,123
- So you have them
for protection?
2294
01:50:02,260 --> 01:50:04,125
- Yeah. Sure.
- Have you ever been
2295
01:50:04,262 --> 01:50:06,127
a victim of crime?
- No. No.
2296
01:50:06,264 --> 01:50:10,030
- Never been assaulted or...?
- No.
2297
01:50:10,168 --> 01:50:12,966
- No violence toward you,
but you have guns in the house.
2298
01:50:13,105 --> 01:50:15,073
- Loaded.
- They're loaded?
2299
01:50:15,207 --> 01:50:17,573
- Well, if you really needed
a weapon for self-defence,
2300
01:50:17,709 --> 01:50:19,574
you need it loaded.
- Okay, but why...
2301
01:50:19,711 --> 01:50:21,576
why do you need it for
self-defence? Because--
2302
01:50:21,713 --> 01:50:23,578
- I don't.
- Yeah, you've never been
2303
01:50:23,715 --> 01:50:25,580
a victim of crime,
you haven't been assaulted.
2304
01:50:25,717 --> 01:50:27,582
- No, that's true.
- You haven't been, you know...
2305
01:50:27,719 --> 01:50:31,086
Why would you... So why not...
Why don't you unload the gun?
2306
01:50:31,223 --> 01:50:34,590
- Because the second amendment
gives me the right
2307
01:50:34,726 --> 01:50:36,591
to have it loaded.
- I agree.
2308
01:50:36,728 --> 01:50:39,094
I totally agree with that.
I'm just saying... I mean,
2309
01:50:39,231 --> 01:50:40,596
the second amendment gives me--
2310
01:50:40,732 --> 01:50:42,597
- Let's say it's
a comfort factor.
2311
01:50:42,734 --> 01:50:45,601
- It gives you comfort to know
that there's a loaded gun.
2312
01:50:45,737 --> 01:50:47,102
- Yeah.
2313
01:50:47,239 --> 01:50:50,106
- Comfort meaning that it allows
you to relax and feel safe?
2314
01:50:50,242 --> 01:50:52,107
- Not worry about it.
- Not worry, not be afraid.
2315
01:50:52,244 --> 01:50:54,041
- And I'm not really, but, uh...
2316
01:50:54,179 --> 01:50:58,616
I'm exercising one of the rights
passed on down to me
2317
01:50:58,750 --> 01:51:01,617
from those wise, old, dead white
guys that invented this country.
2318
01:51:01,753 --> 01:51:04,722
If it was good enough for them,
it's good enough for me.
2319
01:51:04,856 --> 01:51:06,517
- But you could still
exercise the right,
2320
01:51:06,658 --> 01:51:09,092
just by having a gun unloaded
and locked away somewhere.
2321
01:51:09,227 --> 01:51:10,387
- I choose to have it.
2322
01:51:10,529 --> 01:51:13,054
- What sort of strikes me
as interesting is that,
2323
01:51:13,198 --> 01:51:16,065
in other countries, where
they don't have the murder rate,
2324
01:51:16,201 --> 01:51:18,066
the gun-murder rate
that we have, that, uh...
2325
01:51:18,203 --> 01:51:20,068
many people say,
2326
01:51:20,205 --> 01:51:22,070
"Well, that's because
they don't have guns around.
2327
01:51:22,207 --> 01:51:25,074
It's hard to get a gun in
Britain or Germany or whatever."
2328
01:51:25,210 --> 01:51:29,078
But we went to Canada and
there's seven million guns
2329
01:51:29,214 --> 01:51:31,205
in 10-million homes.
- There won't be very long.
2330
01:51:31,349 --> 01:51:32,873
- But hear me out, though.
- Okay.
2331
01:51:33,018 --> 01:51:34,576
- Canada is a nation of hunters,
2332
01:51:34,719 --> 01:51:36,584
millions of guns,
2333
01:51:36,721 --> 01:51:39,588
and yet, they had just
a few murders last year.
2334
01:51:39,724 --> 01:51:41,589
That's it. A country
of 30-million people.
2335
01:51:41,726 --> 01:51:44,593
Now, why - here's my question -
why is it that...
2336
01:51:44,729 --> 01:51:46,720
that they've got all these guns
laying around,
2337
01:51:46,865 --> 01:51:48,730
yet they don't kill each other
2338
01:51:48,867 --> 01:51:50,732
at the level that
we kill each other?
2339
01:51:50,869 --> 01:51:53,099
- I think American history is...
2340
01:51:53,238 --> 01:51:55,604
uh... has a lot of blood
2341
01:51:55,740 --> 01:51:57,605
on its hands.
- And Germany history doesn't?
2342
01:51:57,742 --> 01:51:59,607
- No.
- And British history?
2343
01:51:59,744 --> 01:52:02,110
- I don't think as much.
- Oh, are you...
2344
01:52:02,247 --> 01:52:04,613
Germans don't have as much,
blood on their hands?
2345
01:52:04,749 --> 01:52:07,115
- Uh, they do, yes.
- The Brits, they ruled the world
2346
01:52:07,252 --> 01:52:09,618
for 300 years
at the barrel of a gun.
2347
01:52:09,754 --> 01:52:13,053
They're all violent people. They
have bad guys, they have crime,
2348
01:52:13,191 --> 01:52:15,557
they have lots of guns--
2349
01:52:15,694 --> 01:52:19,562
- Well, it's an interesting
point, which can be explored
2350
01:52:19,698 --> 01:52:23,065
and you're good to explore it
at great lengths,
2351
01:52:23,201 --> 01:52:26,068
but I think that's about all
I have to say on it.
2352
01:52:26,204 --> 01:52:29,071
- You don't have any opinion,
though, as to why that is,
2353
01:52:29,207 --> 01:52:31,072
that we are the unique country,
the only country,
2354
01:52:31,209 --> 01:52:34,076
that does this, that kills each
other on this level, with guns?
2355
01:52:34,212 --> 01:52:38,080
- Well, we have, probably,
more mixed ethnicity
2356
01:52:38,216 --> 01:52:41,583
than other countries,
some other countries.
2357
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:43,585
- You think it's an ethnic thing?
2358
01:52:43,722 --> 01:52:45,587
- No, I don't. It's...
2359
01:52:45,724 --> 01:52:47,589
I wouldn't go so far
as to say that.
2360
01:52:47,726 --> 01:52:51,093
We had enough problems with
civil rights in the beginning.
2361
01:52:51,229 --> 01:52:55,097
It's... But, uh, I have
no answer for that.
2362
01:52:55,233 --> 01:52:57,599
- What do you mean, you think
it's a mixed ethnicity?
2363
01:52:57,736 --> 01:52:59,601
I don't understand.
2364
01:52:59,738 --> 01:53:01,603
- You said, "How is it that..."
- That we're unique.
2365
01:53:01,740 --> 01:53:05,608
- "So many Americans
kill each other?"
2366
01:53:05,744 --> 01:53:08,008
I don't know that that's true,
but, uh...
2367
01:53:08,146 --> 01:53:09,511
- Well, no, you know that.
2368
01:53:09,648 --> 01:53:12,549
We know we have the highest
murder rate with guns.
2369
01:53:12,684 --> 01:53:14,549
It's way higher
than any other country.
2370
01:53:14,686 --> 01:53:18,053
- The only answer I can give you
is the one I already gave you.
2371
01:53:18,189 --> 01:53:21,056
- Which is?
- Which is that we have, uh...
2372
01:53:21,192 --> 01:53:24,059
- Historically--
- ...a history of violence.
2373
01:53:24,195 --> 01:53:27,562
Perhaps more than most
countries. Not more than Russia,
2374
01:53:27,699 --> 01:53:30,566
not more than Japan or China--
- Not more than Germany.
2375
01:53:30,702 --> 01:53:35,196
- Not more than Germany,
but certainly more than Canada.
2376
01:53:35,340 --> 01:53:38,070
- I come from Flint, Michigan,
and last year,
2377
01:53:38,209 --> 01:53:41,076
a little six-year-old boy
took a gun into a classroom
2378
01:53:41,212 --> 01:53:44,181
and shot and killed a
six-year-old girl. And, uh...
2379
01:53:44,316 --> 01:53:46,511
it was really a tragic thing--
2380
01:53:46,651 --> 01:53:49,620
- This was a kid, though.
- A six-year-old, yeah.
2381
01:53:49,754 --> 01:53:51,187
Did you hear about this?
2382
01:53:51,323 --> 01:53:53,985
A six-year-old shooting
a six-year-old?
2383
01:53:54,125 --> 01:53:55,558
- Yeah.
- Well, here's my question.
2384
01:53:55,694 --> 01:53:56,592
After that happened,
2385
01:53:56,728 --> 01:53:58,593
you came to Flint
and held a big rally.
2386
01:53:58,730 --> 01:54:00,095
- Mm-hm.
2387
01:54:00,231 --> 01:54:02,597
- And, you know, I just--
2388
01:54:02,734 --> 01:54:05,100
- So did the vice-president.
2389
01:54:05,236 --> 01:54:08,103
- Yeah, but did you feel it was
being at all insensitive
2390
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:10,605
to the fact that this community
had just gone through--
2391
01:54:10,742 --> 01:54:13,540
- Actually, I wasn't aware
of that at the time we came.
2392
01:54:13,678 --> 01:54:17,045
We came and did an
early-morning, uh... rally,
2393
01:54:17,182 --> 01:54:19,047
then went on to wherever
we were going.
2394
01:54:19,184 --> 01:54:22,051
- You didn't know at the time,
that this killing had happened?
2395
01:54:22,187 --> 01:54:24,052
- No.
- Had you known, would you have--
2396
01:54:24,189 --> 01:54:26,054
- Would I have cancelled
the... uh...
2397
01:54:26,191 --> 01:54:28,056
- Yeah.
- I don't...
2398
01:54:28,193 --> 01:54:29,558
Hard to say.
2399
01:54:29,694 --> 01:54:31,559
- It wasn't like it was
already planned.
2400
01:54:31,696 --> 01:54:33,561
I mean, the choice to come there
was made
2401
01:54:33,698 --> 01:54:35,563
after this horrible
killing took place.
2402
01:54:35,700 --> 01:54:37,065
- Yeah. Mm-hm.
2403
01:54:37,202 --> 01:54:40,069
- You know, had you know that,
would you have come?
2404
01:54:40,205 --> 01:54:43,072
- I don't know. I have no idea.
2405
01:54:43,208 --> 01:54:45,199
- Maybe not. Maybe not.
- Okay. Thank you.
2406
01:54:45,343 --> 01:54:48,574
- You think you'd like to just
maybe apologize to the people
2407
01:54:48,713 --> 01:54:51,580
in Flint for coming and doing
that at that time, or...?
2408
01:54:51,716 --> 01:54:53,581
- You want me to apologize...
2409
01:54:53,718 --> 01:54:55,583
me, apologize to the people
in Flint?
2410
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:57,620
- Or the people in Columbine
2411
01:54:57,756 --> 01:55:00,088
for coming after
their horrible tragedy.
2412
01:55:00,225 --> 01:55:02,591
Why do you go to the places
after they have
2413
01:55:02,727 --> 01:55:05,093
these horrible tragedies? I'm
a member of your group here--
2414
01:55:05,230 --> 01:55:08,097
- Well, I'm afraid
we don't agree on... on that.
2415
01:55:08,233 --> 01:55:10,599
- You think it's okay
to just come and show up
2416
01:55:10,735 --> 01:55:13,033
at these events.
- No.
2417
01:55:13,171 --> 01:55:15,071
- You don't think it's okay?
2418
01:55:26,084 --> 01:55:28,780
Mr. Heston, just one more thing.
2419
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:30,785
This is who she is -
2420
01:55:30,922 --> 01:55:33,516
or was. This is her.
2421
01:55:33,658 --> 01:55:35,523
Mr. Heston, please don't leave.
2422
01:55:35,660 --> 01:55:38,356
Mr. Heston, please,
take a look at her.
2423
01:55:38,496 --> 01:55:41,090
This is the girl.
2424
01:56:32,150 --> 01:56:35,551
I left the Heston estate
atop Beverly Hills
2425
01:56:35,687 --> 01:56:37,655
and walked back
into the real world,
2426
01:56:37,789 --> 01:56:41,020
an America living
and breathing in fear...
2427
01:56:41,159 --> 01:56:43,059
In your mind,
you imagine somebody
2428
01:56:43,194 --> 01:56:46,061
who might break into your house,
to harm you or your family.
2429
01:56:46,197 --> 01:56:49,564
What does that person look like?
2430
01:56:49,701 --> 01:56:52,534
- You. Her. Him.
The camera guy, anybody.
2431
01:56:52,670 --> 01:56:55,036
Could be a gun in the camera,
I don't know.
2432
01:56:55,173 --> 01:56:57,835
- Where gun sales were now
at an all-time high...
2433
01:56:57,976 --> 01:57:01,070
- Can shoot as fast as
Wesson semi-automatic.
2434
01:57:01,212 --> 01:57:03,180
- And where, in the end,
2435
01:57:03,314 --> 01:57:05,373
it all comes back to bowling
2436
01:57:05,517 --> 01:57:07,382
for Columbine.
2437
01:57:07,519 --> 01:57:10,044
- Three bowling-alley employees
shot to death Sunday night
2438
01:57:10,188 --> 01:57:11,587
at the AMF Broadway Lanes.
2439
01:57:11,723 --> 01:57:14,521
- There's nothing I really know.
I really don't know anything.
2440
01:57:14,659 --> 01:57:17,184
- Just that three people died.
- Right.
2441
01:57:17,328 --> 01:57:18,852
- In Littleton,
in a bowling alley.
2442
01:57:18,997 --> 01:57:20,555
I'm sorry.
2443
01:57:22,700 --> 01:57:25,965
Yes, it was a glorious time
to be an American.
2444
01:57:31,843 --> 01:57:35,540
"I see trees of green
2445
01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:38,046
"Red roses too
2446
01:57:38,182 --> 01:57:41,049
"I see them bloom
2447
01:57:41,185 --> 01:57:43,050
"For me and you
2448
01:57:43,187 --> 01:57:47,055
"And I think to myself
2449
01:57:47,191 --> 01:57:50,592
"What a wonderful world
2450
01:57:54,699 --> 01:57:58,066
"I see skies of blue
2451
01:57:58,202 --> 01:58:01,069
"And clouds of white
2452
01:58:01,205 --> 01:58:03,571
"The bright sunny day
2453
01:58:03,708 --> 01:58:06,074
"The dark sacred night
2454
01:58:06,210 --> 01:58:10,078
"And I think to myself
2455
01:58:10,214 --> 01:58:13,547
"What a wonderful world
2456
01:58:18,156 --> 01:58:20,021
"The colours of the rainbow
2457
01:58:20,158 --> 01:58:23,525
"All so pretty in the sky
2458
01:58:23,661 --> 01:58:26,027
"Are also on the faces
2459
01:58:26,164 --> 01:58:28,530
"Of the people walking by
2460
01:58:28,666 --> 01:58:31,533
"I see friends shakin' hands
2461
01:58:31,669 --> 01:58:35,036
"Sayin' How do you do
2462
01:58:35,173 --> 01:58:38,040
"They're really saying
2463
01:58:38,176 --> 01:58:40,041
"I love you
2464
01:58:40,178 --> 01:58:44,046
"I see babies cryin'
2465
01:58:44,182 --> 01:58:46,548
"I watch them grow
2466
01:58:46,684 --> 01:58:48,549
"They'll learn much more
2467
01:58:48,686 --> 01:58:51,553
"Than I'll ever know
2468
01:58:51,689 --> 01:58:55,557
"And I think to myself
2469
01:58:55,693 --> 01:58:59,094
"What a wonderful world
2470
01:59:03,201 --> 01:59:07,069
"And I think to myself
2471
01:59:07,205 --> 01:59:10,606
"What a wonderful world...
2472
01:59:20,218 --> 01:59:24,120
"And I say to myself
2473
01:59:28,226 --> 01:59:32,094
"What a wonderful
2474
01:59:32,230 --> 01:59:34,858
"World"
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