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NARRATOR:
In the criminal justice system
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the people are represented by two
separate yet equally important groups,
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the police
who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Last year was
a total aberration.
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Last year was the
beginning of a dynasty
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with a capital
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Without Pedro? No way.
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That's right.
Who's your daddy?
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At least it's not
Steinbrenner.
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Big Unit, baby.
World championship,
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back where it belongs.
The Bronx!
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Pedro is a Met.
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Good luck. Guy's been
in there half an hour.
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Hey, fella?
Everything all right?
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Think he died
in there.
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Smells like he did.
Come on!
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(TRAIN HORN BLOWING)
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(PEOPLE SCREAMING)
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Morning rush, 8:22 to Grand Central.
Five DOAs and counting.
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What about
the driver?
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Dogs don't think
anybody's in there.
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We'll know for sure
once we open her up.
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Witnesses?
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Two so far.
Railroad guys.
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Don't know how much
they could have seen
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fixing a switch
100 yards away.
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We'll need to talk to them anyway.
Casey Jones, too.
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Casey Jones?
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The driver of the train. What
do you call it? The engineer.
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This isn't some crossing in the
middle of a cornfield in Kansas.
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How the hell did this thing
get on the tracks?
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The busted guard gate
up the service road,
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it looks like he
crashed through there.
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Any security video?
Supposed to be.
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I'll call the monitoring
center and get it cued up.
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From every camera in the yard. We're
gonna need ID on this vehicle.
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We ran the plates
already. Stolen.
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Off a car in Van Cortlandt
Park three days ago.
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Soon as CSU
finds the VIN...
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The rest of the passengers,
bumps and bruises,
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we need everybody lD'd,
everybody interviewed.
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There's a public school close by,
we're gonna bus them over there.
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Follow up at the hospitals with
the serious injured later.
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All right, thanks a lot, Sarge.
Good work.
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Stolen plates, busted gate,
restricted area. This is no accident.
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He'd have to know about the gates,
the schedule, the crossing.
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Disgruntled
employee?
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Been known to happen.
Mayhem in the workplace.
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That's one possibility.
I have another.
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Terrorists.
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That's a cheery thought.
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I'm full of them, pal.
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Suddenly we're on top
of the damn thing.
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I couldn't
believe my eyes.
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No signals,
no alarms?
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No warning whatsoever.
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Just that damn SUV,
looming up at me.
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I slammed on
the brakes, but...
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Felt like we were going over a cliff.
Slid right into it.
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You know, I maybe heard
something coming over the radio
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just as we were
plowing into the guy.
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Awarning?
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Could've been.
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To tell you the truth, between
the horn and the brakes
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and the sound of the crash,
my ears are still ringing.
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FONTANA: You get anything?
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No. They were clear down
the other end of the yard,
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they didn't even
see the crash.
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Any trace of
the driver?
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Dogs were right. Whoever
was in there is long gone.
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ASSISTANT M.E.:
Seven dead here.
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Halfa dozen on their way to the
O.R., could go either way.
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Did they get everyone
off the train?
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So they tell me.
All right, thanks.
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What do we have?
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Seven so far, it could
possibly go as high as 13.
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What about the driver?
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No trace of
the bastard.
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Are the Feds working
the terrorist angle?
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Well, the Joint Terrorism
Task Force is checking to see
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if today is
some kind of anniversary
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that might've
triggered an attack.
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Grand Central, Penn Station and
Metro-North are all on red alert.
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Anybody take
credit for it yet?
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Not yet.
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Well, if he is aterrorist,
he's no suicide martyr.
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Not all of them are. The guys
who hit the trains in Madrid
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hid their bombs
in suitcases and gym bags
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and got the hell
out of there.
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Like this guy.
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I gotta tell you, this doesn't
feel like aterrorist.
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It feels like
a nut job to me.
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Well, let's hope
you're right.
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Oh, man. He just blew
right on through there.
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Yeah, but the question is
who was minding the store?
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When the car crashed
through the gate,
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why didn't it
set off an alarm?
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It did. But by the time
we radioed the train...
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Why the slow response?
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Happened at shift change,
8:00 a.m.
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Yeah, sure.
Coffee and danish,
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somebody reading
the newspaper,
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nobody's paying
attention to the monitors.
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Guy knew what
he was doing.
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Pull it up a little closer.
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Well, somebody's in there, but I can't
tell if he's black or white, young or old.
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Male or female,
for that matter.
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Camera's set up to catch
kids coming over the gate,
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trespassers,
not cars crashing through it.
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Well, he crashed the gate
at 8:00 straight up, right?
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FONTANA: Right.
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Collision with the train
occurred at 8:03.
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He's cutting it
pretty close.
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What time was
the site secured?
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FONTANA: 8:20.
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So he had time
to get away.
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How many ways
out of the train yard?
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Couple of pedestrian gates,
but they were locked.
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Security cameras?
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We've already
looked at that footage.
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Nobody in or out of those
gates, before or after.
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Maybe he walked out the way he came in.
Right through there.
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He might still be in with the
passengers hiding in plain sight.
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Parks the SUV
on the tracks,
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sticks around
to see what happens.
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All that chaos,
who's gonna notice?
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Yeah, then they
seal off the scene,
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he's stuck, gets processed
with everyone else.
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We'll go back, see if they come across
anybody that doesn't seem to fit.
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We've processed 100, roughly.
Another 120 or so to go.
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What about the ones
who went to hospitals?
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We'll follow up on them
in a day or two.
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Do you get Aided
reports on everybody?
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We're looking at
IDs, addresses,
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dates of birth, where people got
on, where they were headed.
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Tickets? If they got 'em.
Lot of people don't.
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It's a commuter line.
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You ever ride it?
Perish the thought.
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Yeah, we're pretty casual
as far as tickets go.
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A lot of monthly passes.
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Is there anyone
we should re-interview?
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Nobody on the train
saw nothing.
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I mean, one minute
they're cruising along
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like every other day,
and the next...
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We were just wondering if one of the
passengers wasn't a passenger at all.
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You mean the driver
of the SUV?
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Anybody strikes us as wrong,
we flag them, definitely.
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What's the latest tally?
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Last I heard,
it's up to nine.
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(CELL PHONE RINGING)
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Fontana.
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Well, that's great. Thanks.
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They got the VIN number.
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What about prints? DNA?
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Come on, you don't want the
whole thing handed to you
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on a silver platter,
do you?
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Why not? A ground ball
every once in a while?
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The SUV belongs to a guy
named Lenny Thorne.
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Why does that name
ring a bell?
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Date rape, a hung
jury, mistrial.
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Right. The D.A.'s
gonna retry that case.
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He even held a press
conference to that effect.
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Guess who the A.D.A.
was? Marc Nesoff.
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Should I know
that name?
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Doesn't matter. Guess where
he was yesterday morning?
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On the train?
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On his way
into the office.
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FONTANA: Nesoff lives
in Chappaqua.
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He takes the same train into Grand
Central every day of the week.
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Wouldn't be hard for
Thorne to figure that out.
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What do we know
about this Mr. Thorne?
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Systems analyst,
college educated creep.
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There was an earlier case, the woman
dropped the criminal charges,
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she took a big civil settlement,
his family paid her off.
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I'm not sure it's
enough for a warrant.
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FONTANA:
Well, it should be.
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Well, this is a terrorist
investigation, right?
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As of now.
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Patriot Act. We've got more than
enough to get a warrant under that.
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I assume
he's armed and dangerous.
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Police! Freeze!
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FALCO: Get your hands up!
Let me see your hands!
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OFFICER: Captain, clear.
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Hands on your head!
On your knees!
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Shut yourmouth!
Shut up!
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No problem. You heard
the man, shut up!
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Detectives, we found this
in the bedroom closet.
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It isn't mine. I have no
idea how it got there.
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Man, don't even go there,
we're not in the mood.
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I don't know.
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FONTANA:
You don't know?
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Nope. I don't know.
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But it's your car.
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Must've been stolen.
Did you report it?
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I didn't know it was gone, until
y'all come crashing in my apartment.
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When was the last
time you saw it?
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Couple days ago.
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Told you.
Found a primo parking spot.
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Didn't have to move it
until Tuesday.
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You stole some plates,
you put them on your car,
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you drove the car
onto the tracks,
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derailing the train,
and killing 10...
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Twelve.
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Twelve people and injuring
God knows how many others.
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Wasn't me.
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You know who was
on that train?
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No idea, man.
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Marc Nesoff.
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Nesoffthe D.A.?
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No way.
Way.
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He hurt?
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Too bad for you,
no, he wasn't.
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That's quite a coincidence that your car
derails the train that Nesoff was on.
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All it is.
A coincidence.
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Oh, no, Lenny. It's
much more than that.
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It's called motive.
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M-O-T-I-V-E. Motive.
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I'm not worried about
the retrial
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if that's why
you think I did this.
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You tied that girl up in her own
apartment, you raped her at gunpoint.
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It was a game.
She asked me to.
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Is that how she wound up in the hospital?
Playing a game?
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They got you cold on rape,
sodomy, false imprisonment.
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I'll beat the next one same
as I beat the first trial.
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A mistrial? Hung jury? You
won't get that lucky again.
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Luck had nothing
to do with it.
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All I need is one girl on that
jury to make eye contact with.
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You're not that charming.
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I just convince her
I could never have done
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such a nasty thing
as they claim I did.
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She looks in my eyes
and she knows.
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I'm not that kind of guy.
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He's a cocky bastard.
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The guy's
a piece of work.
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So what do you think?
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Oh, I like him
a lot for it.
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I think he looks good. Means, motive,
opportunity, he's got no alibi to speak of.
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(KNOCKING AT DOOR)
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Sorry to disturb you, Loo.
Lab said it was urgent.
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Thanks.
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Well, they got two sets of
prints on the steering wheel,
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00:10:19,180 --> 00:10:21,170
Thorne's and someone
who's not in the system.
245
00:10:21,250 --> 00:10:22,240
Doesn't mean
anything.
246
00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,150
He's right. He could have loaned his car
to a friend a week ago, or a month ago.
247
00:10:26,750 --> 00:10:28,420
Well, better to put it
to rest anyway.
248
00:10:28,490 --> 00:10:29,790
Go on over to Intel,
249
00:10:29,860 --> 00:10:31,880
see if they've finished checking
backgrounds on the passengers.
250
00:10:32,890 --> 00:10:35,760
What about Prince Charming here?
We were just getting started.
251
00:10:36,260 --> 00:10:37,660
I'll take care of him.
252
00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,830
Post 9111, we do more terrorism
than drug work, truthfully.
253
00:10:46,140 --> 00:10:51,240
We have agents from Customs,
Immigration, NYPD, DEA, IRS, FBI,
254
00:10:51,310 --> 00:10:52,610
and access
to all their systems.
255
00:10:53,050 --> 00:10:55,210
Do you think that
this was a terrorist attack?
256
00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,680
At first I thought,
"Okay, here we go."
257
00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,050
But it's been quiet,
258
00:10:59,420 --> 00:11:00,790
no chatter,
no other incidents.
259
00:11:00,860 --> 00:11:04,290
We're starting to be reasonably confident
this was an isolated criminal act only.
260
00:11:04,860 --> 00:11:06,160
We hear you have
a suspect in custody.
261
00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:07,490
Yeah,
it looks good for us.
262
00:11:07,860 --> 00:11:08,990
But there's a second
set of prints.
263
00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:11,730
We all know fingerprints
don't come with a time stamp.
264
00:11:11,870 --> 00:11:14,030
You complete the backgrounds
on all the Aideds yet?
265
00:11:14,140 --> 00:11:15,830
Yeah. Anybodyjump outatyou?
266
00:11:16,140 --> 00:11:17,330
Aside from
the faked injuries,
267
00:11:17,410 --> 00:11:20,470
in anticipation of a big insurance
settlement with the railroad?
268
00:11:20,710 --> 00:11:21,900
People are amazing.
269
00:11:21,980 --> 00:11:24,170
Hey, you have to answer
when opportunity knocks.
270
00:11:24,710 --> 00:11:27,480
Twelve men between
the ages of 16 and 75
271
00:11:27,550 --> 00:11:29,610
who had no ticket stub,
no monthly pass,
272
00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,310
couldn't remember where
they boarded the train,
273
00:11:31,390 --> 00:11:34,290
or had an inappropriate address
relative to their station stop.
274
00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:35,520
You run 'em?
275
00:11:35,620 --> 00:11:38,120
No criminal records, not on any watch list.
Four were vets,
276
00:11:38,190 --> 00:11:40,990
we had BCI do a comparison against
the second set of prints,
277
00:11:41,060 --> 00:11:42,530
eliminated them
right away.
278
00:11:43,570 --> 00:11:46,000
Here are the other eight,
for what it's worth.
279
00:11:47,100 --> 00:11:48,800
Thank you very much.
My pleasure.
280
00:11:50,970 --> 00:11:52,460
Well, two of them
live uptown,
281
00:11:52,540 --> 00:11:54,870
near where Thorne says
his SUV was stolen.
282
00:11:54,940 --> 00:11:57,740
This list assumes
these guys had real IDs.
283
00:11:58,350 --> 00:12:01,180
But let's say that the
driver is not a terrorist.
284
00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:03,380
He stays around too long,
he gets stuck there.
285
00:12:03,750 --> 00:12:04,880
Has to show
his real ID.
286
00:12:04,950 --> 00:12:06,180
What have we
got to lose?
287
00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:09,020
I was visiting
my girlfriend.
288
00:12:09,490 --> 00:12:12,120
You told the detective you
boarded the train at Purchase.
289
00:12:12,260 --> 00:12:14,390
I was confused, okay?
Freaked out.
290
00:12:14,460 --> 00:12:18,300
I hit my head in the crash, I was
groggy, okay? I kept saying Purchase,
291
00:12:18,370 --> 00:12:19,600
I meant White Plains.
292
00:12:19,670 --> 00:12:21,470
My girlfriend
goes to Purchase,
293
00:12:21,540 --> 00:12:23,440
her folks live
in White Plains, okay?
294
00:12:23,940 --> 00:12:25,770
Would you watch your tone
of voice with us, please?
295
00:12:27,310 --> 00:12:28,830
What are you,
my parents?
296
00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:38,010
If you don't stop acting
like a tough guy right now,
297
00:12:38,090 --> 00:12:41,720
I'm gonna take you over my
knee and I'm gonna spank you
298
00:12:41,790 --> 00:12:43,590
in front of
all of your friends.
299
00:12:44,660 --> 00:12:46,020
You get the message?
300
00:12:46,730 --> 00:12:47,750
Sorry.
301
00:12:52,700 --> 00:12:54,670
You showed the detective
a student ID?
302
00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,600
Yeah.
We need to see it.
303
00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:58,170
Uh, sure.
304
00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,210
I already told the cops I didn't
see anything before the crash.
305
00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,800
Police officers.
What?
306
00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,540
"Cops"
it's an offensive term.
307
00:13:04,610 --> 00:13:06,980
Oh. Okay.
I didn't know.
308
00:13:07,050 --> 00:13:08,170
Now you do.
309
00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,310
Okay, we're gonna
have to copy this
310
00:13:11,390 --> 00:13:13,720
see if it's authentic,
these are easy to fake.
311
00:13:13,790 --> 00:13:15,690
Oh, man I need it to get
into the Student Union.
312
00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,230
How am I gonna get dinner?
313
00:13:17,460 --> 00:13:19,950
You don't have anything else?
Passport? Driver's license?
314
00:13:20,860 --> 00:13:21,850
Neither one.
315
00:13:21,930 --> 00:13:23,620
FONTANA: How come you don't
have a driver's license?
316
00:13:23,830 --> 00:13:24,990
I don't drive.
317
00:13:25,070 --> 00:13:26,630
You don't know
how to drive a car?
318
00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:29,970
This is New York City,
never had to learn.
319
00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,770
I'm a third generation, no
driver's license New Yorker.
320
00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,600
No driver's license.
No passport.
321
00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:37,480
So if we said to you,
"Don't leave town."
322
00:13:37,580 --> 00:13:38,840
Wouldn't dream of it.
323
00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,480
"Dave Buckley, 35.
Construction worker,
324
00:13:45,550 --> 00:13:47,390
"cuts and bruises,
treated at the scene."
325
00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,660
Well, at least this guy
has a driver's license.
326
00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:51,660
I'd like to get done
with this thing,
327
00:13:51,730 --> 00:13:53,250
have another go
at Lenny Thorne.
328
00:13:53,530 --> 00:13:54,720
So would I.
329
00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,660
BUCKLEY: Who is it?
330
00:13:57,730 --> 00:14:00,100
New York City Police
Department, Mr. Buckley.
331
00:14:00,170 --> 00:14:01,470
Hang on a second.
332
00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:04,990
Hey, yeah, come on in.
333
00:14:07,780 --> 00:14:11,080
Sorry about the mess. I'm
not much of a housekeeper.
334
00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:12,780
Let me clear you
a spot here.
335
00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,880
That's okay,
we won't be here that long.
336
00:14:14,950 --> 00:14:17,540
We just wanted to ask you a few
more questions about the train.
337
00:14:18,290 --> 00:14:19,720
Looks like you've got
cut up a little bit.
338
00:14:19,790 --> 00:14:22,020
Uh, yeah, you know,
flying glass.
339
00:14:22,220 --> 00:14:23,210
You got kids?
340
00:14:23,620 --> 00:14:26,960
Yeah, that's my daughter.
She's six going on 16.
341
00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,860
I know what you mean. I got two, a
boy and a girl, three and six, also.
342
00:14:31,330 --> 00:14:34,890
Yeah, those little girls, they're the best,
though, huh? That father-daughter thing?
343
00:14:34,970 --> 00:14:35,960
Oh, it's great.
344
00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,600
Yeah I wish I could freeze her
just at that age, you know?
345
00:14:38,670 --> 00:14:39,730
You divorced?
346
00:14:39,810 --> 00:14:40,800
Separated.
347
00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,770
You know, just
a temporary thing.
348
00:14:45,150 --> 00:14:46,310
You know how it is.
349
00:14:47,420 --> 00:14:49,350
Up and downs,
we'll work it out.
350
00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,070
Your wrist.
351
00:14:51,550 --> 00:14:52,580
Huh?
352
00:14:52,650 --> 00:14:53,880
Your wrist is bleeding.
353
00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,020
Oh, yeah. I don't know why
that keeps doing that.
354
00:14:57,660 --> 00:14:58,650
Did that happen
at the wreck?
355
00:14:58,730 --> 00:15:00,190
Yeah, yeah.
356
00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:02,690
They should've taken you to
the hospital, had it sewn up.
357
00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,170
Yeah, they wanted to, but I...
358
00:15:05,870 --> 00:15:07,560
But what? You refused
medical aid?
359
00:15:08,970 --> 00:15:10,270
I don't have insurance.
360
00:15:10,610 --> 00:15:11,800
Uh-huh.
361
00:15:17,380 --> 00:15:18,370
That looks pretty fresh.
362
00:15:19,750 --> 00:15:20,870
Yeah, well,
I had it butterflied.
363
00:15:20,950 --> 00:15:22,680
Yeah, I guess
it probably busted loose.
364
00:15:23,220 --> 00:15:24,780
I want to take
a look at that.
365
00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:39,130
Oh, yeah.
366
00:15:41,470 --> 00:15:42,870
Yeah. It's gonna need
a fresh bandage.
367
00:15:43,470 --> 00:15:45,200
Yeah, there's some
gauze over there.
368
00:15:45,770 --> 00:15:47,100
Nick?
Yeah?
369
00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,940
This is not right.
This is not right at all.
370
00:16:00,590 --> 00:16:01,580
What do you mean?
371
00:16:02,390 --> 00:16:04,360
This wasn't caused
by flying glass.
372
00:16:05,490 --> 00:16:06,890
Yeah, it is. Sure it was.
373
00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,390
No, it's too clean.
374
00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:12,390
This was caused
by a blade.
375
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:14,770
You cut yourself.
You slashed your wrist.
376
00:16:15,170 --> 00:16:16,430
L---
377
00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:17,490
Nick?
378
00:16:17,770 --> 00:16:19,330
That's a blade cut.
No question.
379
00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:22,570
Why would you do that?
380
00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:23,630
I don't know.
381
00:16:23,910 --> 00:16:25,240
Well, you're gonna
need a doctor.
382
00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,510
I don't know why...
383
00:16:29,580 --> 00:16:31,070
Why would you do
such a thing, David?
384
00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:33,950
David?
385
00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:39,830
I didn't mean
to hurt anybody.
386
00:16:43,660 --> 00:16:45,220
I didn't mean
to kill anybody.
387
00:16:46,630 --> 00:16:47,830
You killed 12 people.
388
00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:50,830
(CRYING)
389
00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:58,800
I'm sorry.
390
00:17:00,380 --> 00:17:01,640
(sums)
391
00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,180
I just meant to kill myself.
392
00:17:07,050 --> 00:17:08,750
You wanna give us
a statement now?
393
00:17:10,290 --> 00:17:11,920
Sure. Why not?
394
00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:26,540
You think
he's for real?
395
00:17:26,610 --> 00:17:29,080
Do I think he really meant
to commit suicide
396
00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:31,910
when he put that SUV
in front of the train?
397
00:17:31,980 --> 00:17:34,910
I don't know. What
difference does it make?
398
00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,110
It might influence
how he's charged.
399
00:17:37,180 --> 00:17:41,250
His DNA's in that vehicle, his
prints are on the steering wheel,
400
00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:42,550
his signature's
on the confession.
401
00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:44,150
Is it bullet proof?
402
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:45,620
Witnessed, videotaped.
403
00:17:46,990 --> 00:17:48,050
Wish there'd been
a lawyer there.
404
00:17:48,460 --> 00:17:50,090
He didn't want one.
405
00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,290
Look,lhope you're charging him
with 12 counts of murder one,
406
00:17:53,370 --> 00:17:55,560
two hundred and fifty counts
of attempted murder,
407
00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,900
and whatever else
you can throw at him.
408
00:17:57,970 --> 00:17:59,870
I was at the scene,
Counselor.
409
00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:05,040
And if this case doesn't help bring back
the death penalty in New York State,
410
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:07,010
I don't know what will.
411
00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,480
It's hard to know where to
begin with Mr. Buckley.
412
00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,790
I think we can hold the multitude
of lesser counts in reserve.
413
00:18:14,890 --> 00:18:17,380
So the question is,
which theory of murder two?
414
00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,620
Well, why wouldn't you hedge
your bets and charge both?
415
00:18:20,030 --> 00:18:22,330
Well, until recently,
that's exactly what we'd do.
416
00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,760
There was a red alert ruling
last year People v. Payne.
417
00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:26,530
I'm not familiar with it.
418
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:29,700
The defendant shot the victim
in the stomach with a shotgun.
419
00:18:29,770 --> 00:18:31,360
There was some question
about why,
420
00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,000
so we charged him with
both theories of murder two.
421
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,010
Thejury acquitted on intentional,
convicted on depraved indifference.
422
00:18:38,380 --> 00:18:40,750
So the strategy worked, you
got your fallback position.
423
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,220
The Court of Appeals overturned the
depraved indifference conviction.
424
00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:45,340
Insufficient evidence.
425
00:18:46,590 --> 00:18:48,560
And since he'd already been
acquitted of intentional...
426
00:18:48,620 --> 00:18:49,750
JACK: He walked.
427
00:18:49,820 --> 00:18:51,690
I think we go with depraved.
428
00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:53,590
Take the classic
law school example,
429
00:18:53,660 --> 00:18:56,060
throwing open the lion's cage
in a crowded zoo,
430
00:18:56,130 --> 00:18:57,460
without regard
for the consequences.
431
00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:59,700
That's exactly
what he did, isn't it?
432
00:19:00,530 --> 00:19:01,730
I'll draw up the indictment.
433
00:19:01,970 --> 00:19:03,840
JACK: Who's his lawyer?
Legal aid?
434
00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:07,400
Someone just agreed to represent
him, pro bono, a Rodney Fallon.
435
00:19:08,140 --> 00:19:09,230
You know him?
436
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,280
Let's arrange a meeting.
437
00:19:13,980 --> 00:19:17,350
My intent to file
an affirmative defense.
438
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,050
Not guilty by reason
of insanity.
439
00:19:24,330 --> 00:19:27,490
This is a textbook example
of depraved indifference.
440
00:19:28,130 --> 00:19:31,160
And given that less than one percent
of insanity defenses succeed...
441
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,490
It's still on the books, it
ought to have some validity.
442
00:19:33,570 --> 00:19:36,900
The public doesn't believe in insanity
defenses anymore. Look at Andrea Yates.
443
00:19:37,140 --> 00:19:39,470
If a woman who drowns her four
children isn't crazy, who is?
444
00:19:39,740 --> 00:19:41,670
That's Texas,
this is New York City.
445
00:19:41,740 --> 00:19:44,400
I don't think there's a red statefblue
state schism on this issue.
446
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,880
We have every confidence of
prevailing in front of ajury.
447
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:49,810
The jury is gonna see a very sympathetic
man, Miss Borgia, not a monster.
448
00:19:50,650 --> 00:19:52,850
Someone who deserves
treatment, not punishment.
449
00:19:53,220 --> 00:19:54,280
What are you
looking for?
450
00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:55,350
Man two.
451
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,150
Are you joking?
452
00:19:57,660 --> 00:19:59,680
Fifteen years, each count.
To be served concurrently.
453
00:19:59,790 --> 00:20:02,130
As if he'd killed
one person and not 12?
454
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,220
That was his intent.
One person: himself.
455
00:20:04,300 --> 00:20:07,500
I share my colleague's
distaste for your proposal.
456
00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:09,600
Well, make me a counter.
457
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:12,270
You shouldn't mislead
your client, Mr. Fallon.
458
00:20:12,340 --> 00:20:14,570
He's going to prison
for the rest of his life.
459
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,210
That's no incentive.
460
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:20,310
We understand he has
a large extended family.
461
00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:22,810
We'll recommend that he serve his
sentence in a downstate penitentiary.
462
00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:25,140
No sale.
463
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,020
We'll schedule
a 730 exam.
464
00:20:29,890 --> 00:20:33,120
I have no doubt heWlbejudged
competent to stand trial.
465
00:20:33,490 --> 00:20:34,520
No doubt.
466
00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:37,330
As you say, Miss Borgia,
467
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,230
these days everyone's
competent to stand trial,
468
00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:42,530
no matter
how crazy they are.
469
00:20:48,380 --> 00:20:51,240
JACK: The defendant
stole an SUV,
470
00:20:52,050 --> 00:20:54,010
crashed it through
a security gate,
471
00:20:54,620 --> 00:20:58,180
and left it directly in the path
of a high-speed commuter train
472
00:20:58,250 --> 00:20:59,910
full of people
on their way to work.
473
00:21:00,990 --> 00:21:02,480
He killed 12,
474
00:21:03,060 --> 00:21:05,580
injured more than
a hundred and fifty others.
475
00:21:06,090 --> 00:21:07,720
Some of them
sustained injuries
476
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,850
that will cripple them
for the rest of their lives.
477
00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:12,960
He put every single person
on that train at risk.
478
00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:15,760
Why he did it
479
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,330
is irrelevant.
480
00:21:18,170 --> 00:21:19,640
That he did it
481
00:21:19,710 --> 00:21:21,110
is incontrovertible.
482
00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:23,680
And ultimately,
the only thing that matters.
483
00:21:37,260 --> 00:21:39,350
The deed speaks
for itself.
484
00:21:39,690 --> 00:21:41,490
Davey Buckley
was out of his mind.
485
00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:44,490
He wasn't thinking about the
consequences of his actions.
486
00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:45,560
He couldn't.
487
00:21:45,970 --> 00:21:48,200
He was focused solely
488
00:21:48,270 --> 00:21:50,700
on the insane act
of taking his own life.
489
00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:56,210
Davey Buckley has
atroubled history
490
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,180
of behaviors that point to an
undiagnosed mental illness.
491
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,470
Depression.
492
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,780
Bipolar disorder.
493
00:22:04,820 --> 00:22:06,290
He never had
the resources
494
00:22:06,350 --> 00:22:07,340
to get the help
he needed.
495
00:22:07,820 --> 00:22:09,220
He fell through
the cracks.
496
00:22:09,290 --> 00:22:11,620
Davey Buckley was an
accident waiting to happen.
497
00:22:12,930 --> 00:22:15,790
Now, you and I know that there is
no safety net for the working poor.
498
00:22:16,430 --> 00:22:19,700
If he was rich,
or even middle class,
499
00:22:19,770 --> 00:22:21,460
this never
would have occurred.
500
00:22:23,300 --> 00:22:27,330
Davey Buckley is not criminally
responsible for that tragic accident.
501
00:22:32,910 --> 00:22:36,010
He timed his arrival at the
security gate with the shift change
502
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,710
at the monitoring station,
503
00:22:37,790 --> 00:22:39,310
so there was
minimal opportunity
504
00:22:39,390 --> 00:22:41,580
to alert the crew
and avert the collision.
505
00:22:42,590 --> 00:22:44,460
How would you
characterize his actions?
506
00:22:44,660 --> 00:22:45,720
Objection.
507
00:22:45,890 --> 00:22:48,920
The witness has no insight as to Mr.
Buckley's state of mind.
508
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,790
Mr. McCoy?
509
00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:54,270
Detective,
510
00:22:54,340 --> 00:22:56,000
did you form an opinion
511
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:58,870
about the expertise
and efficacy
512
00:22:58,940 --> 00:23:02,380
of the defendant's criminal activities
in relation to this incident?
513
00:23:03,410 --> 00:23:06,440
Highly organized, well
planned, well executed.
514
00:23:07,050 --> 00:23:09,910
What about the defendant's
actions after the crash?
515
00:23:10,450 --> 00:23:11,980
He remained
at the scene,
516
00:23:12,050 --> 00:23:14,180
mingled in with
the real passengers,
517
00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:18,620
he used a pocket knife to inflict some
superficial wounds to his hands and arms,
518
00:23:18,690 --> 00:23:20,420
he was treated
by medical personnel,
519
00:23:20,490 --> 00:23:21,480
and released.
520
00:23:21,630 --> 00:23:23,150
JACK: How do you interpret
those actions?
521
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,320
He was trying to blend in, get away
like any other hit and runner.
522
00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:27,520
Objection!
523
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:28,830
Sustained.
524
00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:37,540
You arrested
Mr. Buckley?
525
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:38,840
Yes.
526
00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:40,940
Interrogated him?
527
00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:43,380
I interviewed him, yes.
Me and my partner.
528
00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:44,940
He confessed?
529
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:47,510
He voluntarily gave us
a statement, yes.
530
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:49,580
And after he confessed?
531
00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:51,780
We processed him
through the system.
532
00:23:52,290 --> 00:23:54,160
Did you make any special
arrangements for Mr. Buckley?
533
00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:57,260
Special arrangements?
534
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,790
Given the circumstances
surrounding this incident.
535
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,190
Were any special precautions taken
regarding his incarceration?
536
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,010
He was placed on 24
hour suicide watch.
537
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:19,150
How do you think
it's going?
538
00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:21,110
I think we put on
a strong case.
539
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:24,980
You think Fallon
scored any points?
540
00:24:25,230 --> 00:24:28,530
The fact that the police put Davey
Buckley on a suicide watch?
541
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,720
A reasonable precaution.
542
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:33,200
I was going over their
witness list for tomorrow.
543
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:36,930
There's a neighborhood storefront
clinic doctor, and an expert for hire.
544
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,540
Who probably spent all of
an hour with Davey Buckley,
545
00:24:41,310 --> 00:24:45,370
but will tell us that he had a troubled
childhood and he's clinically insane.
546
00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:48,470
And what about this neighborhood doctor?
What is that about?
547
00:24:48,650 --> 00:24:52,110
Fallon's not interested in
rehabilitating the insanity defense.
548
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:54,790
He's using this
as a soapbox.
549
00:24:55,020 --> 00:24:57,150
Mental health benefits
for the working poor.
550
00:24:58,090 --> 00:24:59,650
That could resonate
with the jury.
551
00:24:59,890 --> 00:25:02,360
Middle class people are worried about
losing their health insurance.
552
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,090
This isn't about that.
553
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:06,590
I'm not going to let
Fallon distract them.
554
00:25:11,410 --> 00:25:12,700
FALLON: Well, according
to these records,
555
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:14,400
Davey Buckley came
to your clinic three times.
556
00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:16,200
If that's what it says.
557
00:25:16,540 --> 00:25:19,270
In fact, he saw
a different doctor each time.
558
00:25:19,780 --> 00:25:21,150
Do you remember what
his symptoms were?
559
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:22,880
I'd have to look
at the file.
560
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,450
Depression.
561
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,450
Do you remember what
you prescribed for him?
562
00:25:26,590 --> 00:25:28,390
Again, without
refreshing my memory...
563
00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:29,450
Haldol.
564
00:25:30,090 --> 00:25:31,290
If that's what it says.
565
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:32,350
That's exactly what it says.
566
00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:35,530
How much Haldol did you
prescribe for Mr. Buckley?
567
00:25:36,130 --> 00:25:37,360
Do you remember?
568
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:39,060
A year's worth?
A month's worth?
569
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,390
It would have been
less than that.
570
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,960
Four or five day's worth,
at the most.
571
00:25:45,410 --> 00:25:48,140
Did you ever do any follow up with Mr.
Buckley, to see how he was doing?
572
00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:51,370
We don't do follow up.
We don't have the resources.
573
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:54,410
Are you a psychiatrist?
574
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,270
No.
575
00:25:56,750 --> 00:26:00,380
Have you ever had any training
in psychiatry or psychology?
576
00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:02,950
Just the standard
six-week rotation.
577
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,120
Yet, you felt competent in diagnosing Mr.
Buckley as depressed?
578
00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:09,720
He diagnosed himself.
579
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,300
If a patient tells me
he's depressed...
580
00:26:12,370 --> 00:26:13,460
You give him Haldol.
581
00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:15,730
Three or four
day's worth.
582
00:26:18,170 --> 00:26:19,500
Why do people
come to your clinic?
583
00:26:20,270 --> 00:26:21,540
It's in the neighborhood.
584
00:26:21,810 --> 00:26:22,800
Inexpensive.
585
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:24,810
If people don't have
insurance...
586
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,400
In other words, they come because
they have no other choice.
587
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:31,010
We do the best we can,
under the circumstances.
588
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:33,320
Did Davey Buckley
have insurance?
589
00:26:34,690 --> 00:26:37,210
No... He didn't.
590
00:26:37,890 --> 00:26:39,830
Do you think he would have
come to your clinic if he had?
591
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:42,150
Probably not.
592
00:26:48,670 --> 00:26:51,970
Are there circumstances under which
you would have sent Mr. Buckley
593
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,130
to another facility
for further care?
594
00:26:54,610 --> 00:26:58,550
Sure. If he exhibited severe
symptoms, of course we would have.
595
00:26:59,010 --> 00:27:00,000
Thank you.
596
00:27:00,750 --> 00:27:01,740
Redirect,
Your Honor?
597
00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:02,970
Go ahead.
598
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,550
Isn't it true, Doctor, that there is
an unspoken policy at your clinic?
599
00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:09,610
Objection!
600
00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:11,480
Well, if there was
an understanding,
601
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,120
certainly the witness
can speak to it.
602
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,550
Overruled.
603
00:27:15,330 --> 00:27:17,130
Isn't it your
understanding, Doctor,
604
00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:20,530
that whenever possible you're to
throw cheap drugs at a patient
605
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,900
and not send them to the
hospital for further treatment?
606
00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:25,730
That is a gross
overstatement.
607
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:27,460
Really?
608
00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:30,440
Well, if you say so.
609
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,270
JUDGE: Mr. Fallon?
610
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:37,910
(INDISTINCT CHATTERING)
611
00:27:39,420 --> 00:27:41,010
Mr. Fallon, please call
your next witness.
612
00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:45,760
Yes, I'd like to call expert witness, Dr.
Sheldon Farnes.
613
00:27:45,860 --> 00:27:48,620
That's not. No. I don't agree
with that, I don't want you to.
614
00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:50,560
JUDGE: Mr. Buckley
that is not appropriate.
615
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,890
I'm sorry, Your Honor.
616
00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:54,090
Davey, please. I don't agree to this.
Not at all.
617
00:27:54,170 --> 00:27:56,470
Mr. Fallon, please remind your
client this is a court of law...
618
00:27:56,540 --> 00:27:58,510
He's not my lawyer anymore.
Davey.
619
00:27:58,570 --> 00:28:00,170
No, I'm firing him,
YourHonoL Davey, please.
620
00:28:00,710 --> 00:28:02,570
FALLON: Your Honor, can we recess
for a few minutes, please?
621
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,170
I want to represent
myself, Your Honor.
622
00:28:05,050 --> 00:28:07,170
That is not wise,
Mr. Buckley.
623
00:28:07,410 --> 00:28:08,850
I want to change
my plea, too.
624
00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:11,350
You wish to plead guilty?
625
00:28:12,050 --> 00:28:13,040
Not guilty.
626
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:14,920
I wish to plead
not guilty.
627
00:28:15,690 --> 00:28:16,880
I don't understand, what...
628
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,820
No insanity, uh...
629
00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:21,660
You know,
just not guilty.
630
00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:32,600
What the hell happened between close
of court yesterday and this morning?
631
00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:34,970
Why Davey Buckley's
sudden change of heart?
632
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,830
Ichecked the visitor's
log at Rikers.
633
00:28:36,910 --> 00:28:38,810
His brother Thomas paid
him a visit last night.
634
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,970
So I called Thomas, I asked
him what they talked about.
635
00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:42,840
He said he just tried
to cheer Davey up.
636
00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:44,580
Told him how well
things were going,
637
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,610
what a great job
Fallon was doing,
638
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,990
how persuasive their
expert witness would be.
639
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,150
More or less.
640
00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:53,280
Maybe brother Thomas
was too convincing.
641
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,260
Buckley's starting to believe that
Fallon's strategy might actually work.
642
00:28:57,860 --> 00:28:58,850
I don't follow you.
643
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,100
If Davey Buckley is acquitted
by reason of insanity,
644
00:29:02,170 --> 00:29:03,830
he goes to
a mental institution.
645
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:06,270
For an indeterminate
amount of time.
646
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,740
He'd rather go to prison?
647
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,730
I don't know.
648
00:29:11,310 --> 00:29:13,910
Doesn't it work to our advantage
if he represents himself?
649
00:29:14,150 --> 00:29:15,210
It's a wild card.
650
00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:17,210
I hate to give
an appellate court
651
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,910
anything to hang
a reversal on.
652
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:21,820
Hopefully Judge Bradley
won't let it get that far.
653
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,760
Mr. Buckley, do you understand the
pitfalls of representing yourself?
654
00:29:31,870 --> 00:29:34,960
The need for adequate legal counsel
in our adversarial system?
655
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,430
Yes, Your Honor.
656
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:40,170
I have to warn you,
Mr. Buckley,
657
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,340
you will forfeit your right
to self representation
658
00:29:43,410 --> 00:29:46,510
if you engage in disruptive
or obstreperous conduct,
659
00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:48,110
calculated to undermine,
660
00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:50,650
or delay the progress
of this trial.
661
00:29:50,980 --> 00:29:52,280
I understand,
Your Honor.
662
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,420
All right, Mr. Buckley.
663
00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:57,890
You may proceed.
664
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,720
Your Honor,
with all due respect.
665
00:30:00,390 --> 00:30:02,120
I know the People's
position, Mr. McCoy.
666
00:30:02,430 --> 00:30:03,490
Your Honor,
667
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,400
in light of this decision, I would
like to be relieved of my duties.
668
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:08,630
Your application is denied.
669
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:10,800
I need you to be standby
counsel for Mr. Buckley.
670
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:12,070
Your Honor...
671
00:30:12,140 --> 00:30:13,940
I'll not take no
for an answer, Mr. Fallon.
672
00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:17,270
Mr. Buckley, when will you be
ready to call your first witness?
673
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,380
I only have one witness,
Your Honor. Myself.
674
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:25,250
How do you propose to testify
and do direct examination?
675
00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:29,950
I thought I could write out
the questions, and, uh...
676
00:30:30,020 --> 00:30:32,190
Mr. Fallon could ask them,
so I could answer.
677
00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:33,450
Your Honor...
678
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:35,800
This idea is just
further evidence that
679
00:30:35,860 --> 00:30:38,760
Mr. Buckley shouldn't
represent himself.
680
00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:41,460
I think it's a very
practical idea, Mr. Fallon.
681
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,800
Court will
reconvene tomorrow.
682
00:30:43,870 --> 00:30:45,000
(BANGS GAVEL)
683
00:30:49,540 --> 00:30:51,840
"Did you really intend
to kill yourself?"
684
00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:53,070
BUCKLEY: Yes.
685
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,670
"Didn't you think
other people would be hurt?"
686
00:31:00,490 --> 00:31:01,920
I feel terrible
about that.
687
00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:09,660
I honestly thought that the
train would demolish the SUV,
688
00:31:09,730 --> 00:31:11,030
and just keep going.
689
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,630
The train was so much bigger,
it was so much heavier.
690
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,830
And, uh...
691
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,640
And I thought it would
just smash the car,
692
00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:21,900
or it would push it
aside, like a bulldozer.
693
00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:27,550
"What was your state of mind
that morning?"
694
00:31:29,050 --> 00:31:31,580
I just wanted to put
myself out of my misery.
695
00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:33,280
That's all I was
thinking about.
696
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,650
"Then why didn't you?"
697
00:31:47,370 --> 00:31:49,600
I saw the train coming.
And, uh...
698
00:31:51,770 --> 00:31:53,500
I saw my little girl's face.
699
00:31:54,540 --> 00:31:57,030
And I just...
I couldn't do it.
700
00:31:59,010 --> 00:32:01,000
I tried to drive the car
off the tracks.
701
00:32:01,310 --> 00:32:03,870
I swear to God.
And it, it was stuck.
702
00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:08,810
I didn't mean
to hurt anyone
703
00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:12,320
I didn't mean
for anyone to get hurt.
704
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,170
I'm concerned that
he's coming across
705
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,360
as an effective,
sympathetic defendant.
706
00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:27,410
I was going over
Fallon's witness list,
707
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:29,600
the ones he would've called
if Buckley hadn't fired him?
708
00:32:29,780 --> 00:32:31,440
His brothers and sisters
are on the list.
709
00:32:31,510 --> 00:32:32,740
More sibling testimony
710
00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:35,010
about the trials and
tribulations of Davey Buckley.
711
00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:37,980
That's the thing. There's
another brother, Jimmy.
712
00:32:38,050 --> 00:32:40,380
He's the oldest, owns a
construction company.
713
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:41,890
Davey used to work
for him.
714
00:32:42,060 --> 00:32:44,520
Jimmy Buckley wasn't
on Fallon's witness list.
715
00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:46,060
All the others were,
but not him.
716
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:48,790
I'm due back for cross.
See what he has to say
717
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,720
JACK: You didn't think
anyone else would get hurt?
718
00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:55,530
No.
719
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,770
And you didn't want to leave
your daughter fatherless?
720
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,100
I couldn't.
721
00:33:03,410 --> 00:33:04,610
Commendable.
722
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,710
What about all the other fatherless
daughters and sons you created
723
00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:12,050
through your reckless disregard
for other people's lives?
724
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,720
Objection.
If I'm allowed to object.
725
00:33:15,790 --> 00:33:17,590
You are. Sustained.
726
00:33:18,860 --> 00:33:20,120
If you really wanted
to kill yourself,
727
00:33:20,190 --> 00:33:22,720
why didn't you use a gun,
Mr. Buckley? Or a knife?
728
00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:25,860
Take sleeping pills, throw
yourself out of the window?
729
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:27,970
I wanted to be sure.
730
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,100
I didn't want to survive, and
become a burden on my family.
731
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,670
Then why didn't you
just walk onto the tracks,
732
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:40,480
throw yourself
in front of the train?
733
00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:43,980
I don't know.
734
00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:48,390
What was the real reason you
decided to derail that train?
735
00:33:48,490 --> 00:33:51,750
I didn't want to derail the
train, I wanted to kill myself.
736
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:54,550
Wasn't it to get your
estranged wife's attention?
737
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:56,430
No, that wasn't the reason.
738
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,900
She's been here for you
every day, hasn't she?
739
00:34:02,970 --> 00:34:04,160
Yes, she has.
740
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:07,460
You succeeded
in getting her attention...
741
00:34:07,540 --> 00:34:10,600
And all that cost was 12 lives
and hundreds of injuries.
742
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:11,670
Objection!
743
00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:12,770
JUDGE: Sustained.
744
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,670
Do you think you're
the victim here, Mr. Buckley?
745
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,010
No.
746
00:34:19,150 --> 00:34:21,950
Were you hoping
to gain her sympathy?
747
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,420
No.
748
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:27,490
Are you hoping that she'll take
you back, even if you're in jail?
749
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,230
Your Honor, Mr. McCoy is busily painting
a picture that is entirely speculative.
750
00:34:31,930 --> 00:34:33,160
Sustained.
751
00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:35,060
JACK: Nothing further,
Your Honor.
752
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,060
JUDGE: Mr. Buckley,
you may step down.
753
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:45,010
Does the Defense wish to call any
other witnesses, Mr. Fallon?
754
00:34:47,050 --> 00:34:49,280
Your Honor,
the Defense rests.
755
00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:50,610
Mr. McCoy?
756
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:53,710
The People have a witness to call on
rebuttal, Your Honor. James Buckley.
757
00:34:54,590 --> 00:34:57,490
JUDGE: All right, we will
recess until tomorrow morning.
758
00:34:57,790 --> 00:34:58,920
(BANGS GAVEL)
759
00:35:00,990 --> 00:35:02,960
Davey's prone
to melancholy.
760
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:04,360
Always has been.
761
00:35:04,860 --> 00:35:06,260
I mean, he's sweet.
762
00:35:06,830 --> 00:35:08,630
Funny. People like him.
When's he up.
763
00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:10,330
When he's down,
when he's drinking...
764
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,210
He's dark as
dark could be.
765
00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:16,610
He has a drinking problem?
766
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:18,230
Since he was
a kid, yeah.
767
00:35:19,150 --> 00:35:20,840
JACK: He was sober at the
time of the train wreck.
768
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,140
JAMES: On and off the wagon,
his whole life.
769
00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:25,910
Growing up,
770
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:29,790
did you and your family think of your
brother as being mentally unstable?
771
00:35:31,020 --> 00:35:32,190
More like hard luck.
772
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,630
Davey's in trouble again. Davey's
got himself in another scrape.
773
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:37,990
Davey can't catch
a break, poor kid.
774
00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:39,160
JACK: What kind of trouble?
775
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:41,530
Trouble in school,
trouble at work.
776
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,430
Couldn't pay attention,
couldn't hold a job.
777
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,100
You say he couldn't hold a job?
But he worked for you.
778
00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:49,100
He had a wife,
a new baby.
779
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,210
I told him, "This is your last chance.
You have to promise me."
780
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:55,410
And he did.
781
00:35:56,420 --> 00:35:58,010
How long
did he work for you?
782
00:35:58,220 --> 00:36:00,020
Nine months, maybe.
783
00:36:00,350 --> 00:36:02,150
He started drinking again.
On the job.
784
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:03,790
He was a hazard,
785
00:36:03,860 --> 00:36:05,260
to himself and others.
786
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:06,950
So you fired him.
787
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:08,020
Had to.
788
00:36:08,090 --> 00:36:10,090
He made me a promise,
789
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,960
I had to let him know
I was serious this time.
790
00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:16,400
Did you give him
any further assistance?
791
00:36:16,940 --> 00:36:19,600
I paid for rehab. Again.
30,000 a pop.
792
00:36:21,340 --> 00:36:25,400
Did you ever encourage him to get any
other kind of counseling, beyond rehab?
793
00:36:25,610 --> 00:36:27,210
Many times
over the years.
794
00:36:27,550 --> 00:36:29,980
Told him I'd foot the bill
for that too, no matter what.
795
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:32,350
He always waved me off,
said he didn't need it.
796
00:36:33,350 --> 00:36:36,980
Did you know that he'd gone to a
clinic, seeking help for depression?
797
00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:39,020
No, I didn't know.
798
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,650
Why not?
799
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:42,920
Why wouldn't he want you
to know about that?
800
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,760
Ashamed, maybe.
801
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,560
That's how it is where
we come from, you know.
802
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:49,760
It's a shameful thing
to need help with...
803
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:53,310
You know, your emotions.
804
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,450
Your other brothers and sisters were
scheduled to testify for the Defense.
805
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,310
Yeah, well, they still
got a soft spot for him.
806
00:37:05,090 --> 00:37:06,250
But not you.
807
00:37:07,090 --> 00:37:09,920
I told Mr. Fallon
I couldn't...
808
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,660
I couldn't
stand up and swear.
809
00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:14,720
Not in good conscience.
810
00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:36,950
Did you think
I was crazy, Jimmy?
811
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:38,920
You heard me.
I thought you had troubles.
812
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:40,080
We all did.
813
00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:42,490
Did I ever, uh...
814
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,020
Hear voices?
815
00:37:44,620 --> 00:37:45,920
Hallucinate?
816
00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:47,790
Not that I know, no.
817
00:37:48,730 --> 00:37:50,490
Did I ever try
to commit suicide?
818
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,030
Again, not that I know.
819
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,460
Did I ever threaten
to kill myself?
820
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:57,630
Not until your marriage
went sour.
821
00:37:58,300 --> 00:37:59,290
Exactly.
822
00:38:00,070 --> 00:38:01,060
So,
823
00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:03,610
when I made those threats,
824
00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:06,880
I mean, didn't you think that was
a sign that something was wrong?
825
00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:08,910
I didn't
take them seriously.
826
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,880
You didn't? Why not?
827
00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:14,910
You're all talk, Davey.
828
00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:16,780
You're a daydreamer.
829
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,450
Have been
your whole life.
830
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:20,880
So you didn't think
I would go through with it?
831
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:24,230
And you didn't, did you?
832
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,000
Did you wish that I had?
833
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:34,670
Ah, come on.
834
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:39,500
Did you?
835
00:38:41,180 --> 00:38:42,240
No.
836
00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:43,370
Iwouldn't.
837
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,670
Never.
838
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,050
Well, why not?
839
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:55,360
I mean, that would be it, right?
That would be the end of it.
840
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:57,860
No more.
841
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:00,230
No more Davey
to worry about.
842
00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:07,570
You gave up on me, Jimmy.
843
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,370
That's right, I did.
You're right.
844
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,510
You knew I needed help.
845
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:24,750
When Maureen threw me out,
who did I call? I called you.
846
00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:25,850
Yes, you did.
847
00:39:25,930 --> 00:39:29,360
I called you first.
And what did I say?
848
00:39:30,430 --> 00:39:33,630
You said you were
in desperate straits.
849
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,430
I needed help.
850
00:39:39,110 --> 00:39:40,370
What did you say?
851
00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:45,340
I said, "No, I'm done,
enough's enough."
852
00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:50,450
Enough's enough.
853
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,040
I have my own family
to take care of.
854
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:53,620
I'm your family too, Jimmy!
855
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,120
No.
856
00:40:00,790 --> 00:40:01,920
You're not.
857
00:40:04,930 --> 00:40:06,190
Not anymore.
858
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:23,380
On the first count of the indictment,
murder in the second degree,
859
00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:24,540
how do you find?
860
00:40:25,490 --> 00:40:26,750
We find the defendant
861
00:40:26,820 --> 00:40:27,810
guilty.
862
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:31,050
On the second count of the indictment,
murder in the second degree,
863
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,490
how do you find?
864
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:34,760
We find
the defendant guilty.
865
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:37,860
On the third count of the indictment,
murder in the second degree,
866
00:40:37,930 --> 00:40:39,090
how do you find?
867
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:41,330
We find
the defendant guilty.
868
00:40:41,530 --> 00:40:43,020
On the fourth count
of the indictment,
869
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:45,160
murder
in the second degree...
870
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:48,510
You could still recommend that Judge
Bradley sentence him concurrently.
871
00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:50,540
Twelve life sentences
is what he deserves.
872
00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:52,010
I don't disagree.
873
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,170
You agree?
874
00:40:54,010 --> 00:40:55,780
He's criminally
responsible?
875
00:40:58,220 --> 00:40:59,650
He did a terrible thing.
876
00:41:01,150 --> 00:41:02,620
But in a way,
he was right.
877
00:41:03,820 --> 00:41:05,220
It could have
been averted.
878
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:08,530
Billions for prisons,
no health care.
879
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:11,690
I don't make social policy.
880
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,090
No.
881
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:16,030
You just have to clean up
after those who do.
67250
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