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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,130 --> 00:00:03,030 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:03,100 --> 00:00:06,970 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,900 the police who investigate crime, 4 00:00:08,970 --> 00:00:11,440 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,770 --> 00:00:13,210 These are their stories. 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,240 Last year was a total aberration. 7 00:00:16,310 --> 00:00:18,580 Last year was the beginning of a dynasty 8 00:00:18,650 --> 00:00:19,910 with a capital 9 00:00:19,980 --> 00:00:21,950 Without Pedro? No way. 10 00:00:22,220 --> 00:00:24,120 That's right. Who's your daddy? 11 00:00:24,190 --> 00:00:25,590 At least it's not Steinbrenner. 12 00:00:25,890 --> 00:00:27,720 Big Unit, baby. World championship, 13 00:00:27,790 --> 00:00:29,920 back where it belongs. The Bronx! 14 00:00:30,230 --> 00:00:32,190 Pedro is a Met. 15 00:00:32,490 --> 00:00:34,660 Good luck. Guy's been in there half an hour. 16 00:00:35,330 --> 00:00:38,030 Hey, fella? Everything all right? 17 00:00:38,470 --> 00:00:39,560 Think he died in there. 18 00:00:39,870 --> 00:00:42,300 Smells like he did. Come on! 19 00:00:42,910 --> 00:00:45,140 (TRAIN HORN BLOWING) 20 00:00:46,980 --> 00:00:48,570 (PEOPLE SCREAMING) 21 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,550 Morning rush, 8:22 to Grand Central. Five DOAs and counting. 22 00:00:58,620 --> 00:00:59,680 What about the driver? 23 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:00,920 Dogs don't think anybody's in there. 24 00:01:00,990 --> 00:01:02,920 We'll know for sure once we open her up. 25 00:01:02,990 --> 00:01:04,020 Witnesses? 26 00:01:04,090 --> 00:01:05,650 Two so far. Railroad guys. 27 00:01:05,730 --> 00:01:06,790 Don't know how much they could have seen 28 00:01:06,860 --> 00:01:08,420 fixing a switch 100 yards away. 29 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:11,060 We'll need to talk to them anyway. Casey Jones, too. 30 00:01:11,130 --> 00:01:12,120 Casey Jones? 31 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,930 The driver of the train. What do you call it? The engineer. 32 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,870 This isn't some crossing in the middle of a cornfield in Kansas. 33 00:01:17,940 --> 00:01:19,430 How the hell did this thing get on the tracks? 34 00:01:19,510 --> 00:01:21,270 The busted guard gate up the service road, 35 00:01:21,340 --> 00:01:22,610 it looks like he crashed through there. 36 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,700 Any security video? Supposed to be. 37 00:01:24,780 --> 00:01:27,220 I'll call the monitoring center and get it cued up. 38 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,810 From every camera in the yard. We're gonna need ID on this vehicle. 39 00:01:30,220 --> 00:01:31,690 We ran the plates already. Stolen. 40 00:01:31,750 --> 00:01:34,190 Off a car in Van Cortlandt Park three days ago. 41 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:36,050 Soon as CSU finds the VIN... 42 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,890 The rest of the passengers, bumps and bruises, 43 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:40,360 we need everybody lD'd, everybody interviewed. 44 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:43,190 There's a public school close by, we're gonna bus them over there. 45 00:01:43,270 --> 00:01:45,860 Follow up at the hospitals with the serious injured later. 46 00:01:45,930 --> 00:01:47,370 All right, thanks a lot, Sarge. Good work. 47 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,470 Stolen plates, busted gate, restricted area. This is no accident. 48 00:01:53,540 --> 00:01:56,380 He'd have to know about the gates, the schedule, the crossing. 49 00:01:56,450 --> 00:01:57,640 Disgruntled employee? 50 00:01:57,710 --> 00:01:59,940 Been known to happen. Mayhem in the workplace. 51 00:02:00,020 --> 00:02:02,640 That's one possibility. I have another. 52 00:02:03,590 --> 00:02:04,580 Terrorists. 53 00:02:04,650 --> 00:02:05,750 That's a cheery thought. 54 00:02:05,820 --> 00:02:07,380 I'm full of them, pal. 55 00:02:58,270 --> 00:03:00,070 Suddenly we're on top of the damn thing. 56 00:03:00,140 --> 00:03:01,510 I couldn't believe my eyes. 57 00:03:01,580 --> 00:03:02,770 No signals, no alarms? 58 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,400 No warning whatsoever. 59 00:03:04,510 --> 00:03:06,810 Just that damn SUV, looming up at me. 60 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,540 I slammed on the brakes, but... 61 00:03:09,450 --> 00:03:12,850 Felt like we were going over a cliff. Slid right into it. 62 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,520 You know, I maybe heard something coming over the radio 63 00:03:15,590 --> 00:03:17,180 just as we were plowing into the guy. 64 00:03:17,260 --> 00:03:18,250 Awarning? 65 00:03:18,460 --> 00:03:19,550 Could've been. 66 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,990 To tell you the truth, between the horn and the brakes 67 00:03:22,060 --> 00:03:24,760 and the sound of the crash, my ears are still ringing. 68 00:03:26,700 --> 00:03:27,690 FONTANA: You get anything? 69 00:03:27,770 --> 00:03:29,460 No. They were clear down the other end of the yard, 70 00:03:29,540 --> 00:03:30,870 they didn't even see the crash. 71 00:03:31,010 --> 00:03:32,030 Any trace of the driver? 72 00:03:32,110 --> 00:03:34,840 Dogs were right. Whoever was in there is long gone. 73 00:03:35,940 --> 00:03:36,930 ASSISTANT M.E.: Seven dead here. 74 00:03:37,010 --> 00:03:39,500 Halfa dozen on their way to the O.R., could go either way. 75 00:03:39,580 --> 00:03:41,020 Did they get everyone off the train? 76 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,780 So they tell me. All right, thanks. 77 00:03:42,950 --> 00:03:43,940 What do we have? 78 00:03:44,020 --> 00:03:47,250 Seven so far, it could possibly go as high as 13. 79 00:03:47,420 --> 00:03:48,860 What about the driver? 80 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:49,910 No trace of the bastard. 81 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:51,850 Are the Feds working the terrorist angle? 82 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,930 Well, the Joint Terrorism Task Force is checking to see 83 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,520 if today is some kind of anniversary 84 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,830 that might've triggered an attack. 85 00:03:58,900 --> 00:04:02,670 Grand Central, Penn Station and Metro-North are all on red alert. 86 00:04:02,740 --> 00:04:04,000 Anybody take credit for it yet? 87 00:04:04,070 --> 00:04:05,160 Not yet. 88 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,230 Well, if he is aterrorist, he's no suicide martyr. 89 00:04:07,310 --> 00:04:09,900 Not all of them are. The guys who hit the trains in Madrid 90 00:04:09,980 --> 00:04:11,840 hid their bombs in suitcases and gym bags 91 00:04:11,910 --> 00:04:12,900 and got the hell out of there. 92 00:04:12,980 --> 00:04:14,070 Like this guy. 93 00:04:14,150 --> 00:04:15,880 I gotta tell you, this doesn't feel like aterrorist. 94 00:04:15,950 --> 00:04:17,280 It feels like a nut job to me. 95 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,210 Well, let's hope you're right. 96 00:04:27,330 --> 00:04:28,690 Oh, man. He just blew right on through there. 97 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,960 Yeah, but the question is who was minding the store? 98 00:04:32,530 --> 00:04:34,330 When the car crashed through the gate, 99 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,340 why didn't it set off an alarm? 100 00:04:36,510 --> 00:04:39,000 It did. But by the time we radioed the train... 101 00:04:39,070 --> 00:04:40,370 Why the slow response? 102 00:04:40,580 --> 00:04:42,740 Happened at shift change, 8:00 a.m. 103 00:04:43,010 --> 00:04:44,640 Yeah, sure. Coffee and danish, 104 00:04:44,710 --> 00:04:45,940 somebody reading the newspaper, 105 00:04:46,010 --> 00:04:47,450 nobody's paying attention to the monitors. 106 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:49,150 Guy knew what he was doing. 107 00:04:49,990 --> 00:04:51,280 Pull it up a little closer. 108 00:04:53,660 --> 00:04:58,020 Well, somebody's in there, but I can't tell if he's black or white, young or old. 109 00:04:58,290 --> 00:04:59,950 Male or female, for that matter. 110 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,360 Camera's set up to catch kids coming over the gate, 111 00:05:02,430 --> 00:05:05,200 trespassers, not cars crashing through it. 112 00:05:05,630 --> 00:05:07,900 Well, he crashed the gate at 8:00 straight up, right? 113 00:05:07,970 --> 00:05:08,960 FONTANA: Right. 114 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,970 Collision with the train occurred at 8:03. 115 00:05:11,340 --> 00:05:12,600 He's cutting it pretty close. 116 00:05:12,670 --> 00:05:14,340 What time was the site secured? 117 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,430 FONTANA: 8:20. 118 00:05:15,610 --> 00:05:17,240 So he had time to get away. 119 00:05:17,310 --> 00:05:18,910 How many ways out of the train yard? 120 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:21,080 Couple of pedestrian gates, but they were locked. 121 00:05:21,180 --> 00:05:22,310 Security cameras? 122 00:05:22,380 --> 00:05:23,610 We've already looked at that footage. 123 00:05:23,690 --> 00:05:26,280 Nobody in or out of those gates, before or after. 124 00:05:26,590 --> 00:05:28,960 Maybe he walked out the way he came in. Right through there. 125 00:05:30,930 --> 00:05:33,520 He might still be in with the passengers hiding in plain sight. 126 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,150 Parks the SUV on the tracks, 127 00:05:35,230 --> 00:05:36,560 sticks around to see what happens. 128 00:05:36,630 --> 00:05:37,690 All that chaos, who's gonna notice? 129 00:05:37,770 --> 00:05:40,600 Yeah, then they seal off the scene, 130 00:05:40,670 --> 00:05:43,140 he's stuck, gets processed with everyone else. 131 00:05:43,570 --> 00:05:46,510 We'll go back, see if they come across anybody that doesn't seem to fit. 132 00:05:50,210 --> 00:05:54,120 We've processed 100, roughly. Another 120 or so to go. 133 00:05:54,180 --> 00:05:55,840 What about the ones who went to hospitals? 134 00:05:56,220 --> 00:05:57,980 We'll follow up on them in a day or two. 135 00:05:58,050 --> 00:06:00,080 Do you get Aided reports on everybody? 136 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,780 We're looking at IDs, addresses, 137 00:06:02,860 --> 00:06:05,230 dates of birth, where people got on, where they were headed. 138 00:06:05,290 --> 00:06:08,190 Tickets? If they got 'em. Lot of people don't. 139 00:06:08,530 --> 00:06:09,690 It's a commuter line. 140 00:06:10,470 --> 00:06:12,630 You ever ride it? Perish the thought. 141 00:06:13,030 --> 00:06:15,060 Yeah, we're pretty casual as far as tickets go. 142 00:06:15,540 --> 00:06:16,900 A lot of monthly passes. 143 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,000 Is there anyone we should re-interview? 144 00:06:19,470 --> 00:06:21,030 Nobody on the train saw nothing. 145 00:06:21,340 --> 00:06:22,740 I mean, one minute they're cruising along 146 00:06:22,810 --> 00:06:24,440 like every other day, and the next... 147 00:06:24,650 --> 00:06:28,450 We were just wondering if one of the passengers wasn't a passenger at all. 148 00:06:29,820 --> 00:06:31,310 You mean the driver of the SUV? 149 00:06:32,490 --> 00:06:35,550 Anybody strikes us as wrong, we flag them, definitely. 150 00:06:37,030 --> 00:06:38,220 What's the latest tally? 151 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,820 Last I heard, it's up to nine. 152 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:44,990 (CELL PHONE RINGING) 153 00:06:45,670 --> 00:06:46,790 Fontana. 154 00:06:48,170 --> 00:06:49,430 Well, that's great. Thanks. 155 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,100 They got the VIN number. 156 00:06:51,610 --> 00:06:53,130 What about prints? DNA? 157 00:06:53,310 --> 00:06:55,000 Come on, you don't want the whole thing handed to you 158 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,410 on a silver platter, do you? 159 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,670 Why not? A ground ball every once in a while? 160 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:02,340 The SUV belongs to a guy named Lenny Thorne. 161 00:07:02,420 --> 00:07:03,710 Why does that name ring a bell? 162 00:07:03,790 --> 00:07:05,840 Date rape, a hung jury, mistrial. 163 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,980 Right. The D.A.'s gonna retry that case. 164 00:07:08,060 --> 00:07:10,080 He even held a press conference to that effect. 165 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,650 Guess who the A.D.A. was? Marc Nesoff. 166 00:07:13,030 --> 00:07:14,120 Should I know that name? 167 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,630 Doesn't matter. Guess where he was yesterday morning? 168 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:17,760 On the train? 169 00:07:17,830 --> 00:07:18,960 On his way into the office. 170 00:07:19,030 --> 00:07:20,500 FONTANA: Nesoff lives in Chappaqua. 171 00:07:20,570 --> 00:07:23,770 He takes the same train into Grand Central every day of the week. 172 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,500 Wouldn't be hard for Thorne to figure that out. 173 00:07:25,810 --> 00:07:27,740 What do we know about this Mr. Thorne? 174 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,500 Systems analyst, college educated creep. 175 00:07:30,580 --> 00:07:33,510 There was an earlier case, the woman dropped the criminal charges, 176 00:07:33,580 --> 00:07:36,280 she took a big civil settlement, his family paid her off. 177 00:07:36,350 --> 00:07:38,120 I'm not sure it's enough for a warrant. 178 00:07:38,190 --> 00:07:39,310 FONTANA: Well, it should be. 179 00:07:39,390 --> 00:07:41,190 Well, this is a terrorist investigation, right? 180 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:42,310 As of now. 181 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,280 Patriot Act. We've got more than enough to get a warrant under that. 182 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:49,860 I assume he's armed and dangerous. 183 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:54,360 Police! Freeze! 184 00:07:54,900 --> 00:07:57,170 FALCO: Get your hands up! Let me see your hands! 185 00:07:57,610 --> 00:07:58,630 OFFICER: Captain, clear. 186 00:07:58,710 --> 00:08:00,370 Hands on your head! On your knees! 187 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,340 Shut yourmouth! Shut up! 188 00:08:02,410 --> 00:08:04,500 No problem. You heard the man, shut up! 189 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:06,070 Detectives, we found this in the bedroom closet. 190 00:08:06,150 --> 00:08:08,310 It isn't mine. I have no idea how it got there. 191 00:08:08,380 --> 00:08:11,050 Man, don't even go there, we're not in the mood. 192 00:08:14,620 --> 00:08:15,680 I don't know. 193 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:16,920 FONTANA: You don't know? 194 00:08:16,990 --> 00:08:17,980 Nope. I don't know. 195 00:08:18,060 --> 00:08:19,080 But it's your car. 196 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,890 Must've been stolen. Did you report it? 197 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,620 I didn't know it was gone, until y'all come crashing in my apartment. 198 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:24,920 When was the last time you saw it? 199 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,370 Couple days ago. 200 00:08:26,430 --> 00:08:28,060 Told you. Found a primo parking spot. 201 00:08:28,140 --> 00:08:29,400 Didn't have to move it until Tuesday. 202 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,100 You stole some plates, you put them on your car, 203 00:08:32,170 --> 00:08:34,070 you drove the car onto the tracks, 204 00:08:34,140 --> 00:08:36,080 derailing the train, and killing 10... 205 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:37,170 Twelve. 206 00:08:37,250 --> 00:08:38,740 Twelve people and injuring God knows how many others. 207 00:08:38,810 --> 00:08:39,800 Wasn't me. 208 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,280 You know who was on that train? 209 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:42,710 No idea, man. 210 00:08:43,620 --> 00:08:45,110 Marc Nesoff. 211 00:08:47,690 --> 00:08:48,780 Nesoffthe D.A.? 212 00:08:49,620 --> 00:08:50,990 No way. Way. 213 00:08:52,460 --> 00:08:53,450 He hurt? 214 00:08:53,530 --> 00:08:55,500 Too bad for you, no, he wasn't. 215 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,360 That's quite a coincidence that your car derails the train that Nesoff was on. 216 00:09:00,670 --> 00:09:02,230 All it is. A coincidence. 217 00:09:02,340 --> 00:09:04,070 Oh, no, Lenny. It's much more than that. 218 00:09:04,770 --> 00:09:06,300 It's called motive. 219 00:09:06,370 --> 00:09:09,210 M-O-T-I-V-E. Motive. 220 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,540 I'm not worried about the retrial 221 00:09:11,610 --> 00:09:13,310 if that's why you think I did this. 222 00:09:13,950 --> 00:09:16,920 You tied that girl up in her own apartment, you raped her at gunpoint. 223 00:09:17,020 --> 00:09:19,010 It was a game. She asked me to. 224 00:09:19,550 --> 00:09:21,220 Is that how she wound up in the hospital? Playing a game? 225 00:09:21,290 --> 00:09:25,280 They got you cold on rape, sodomy, false imprisonment. 226 00:09:25,390 --> 00:09:27,360 I'll beat the next one same as I beat the first trial. 227 00:09:28,030 --> 00:09:31,090 A mistrial? Hung jury? You won't get that lucky again. 228 00:09:31,630 --> 00:09:33,030 Luck had nothing to do with it. 229 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:36,440 All I need is one girl on that jury to make eye contact with. 230 00:09:39,940 --> 00:09:41,310 You're not that charming. 231 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,170 I just convince her I could never have done 232 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:46,510 such a nasty thing as they claim I did. 233 00:09:47,220 --> 00:09:49,380 She looks in my eyes and she knows. 234 00:09:49,650 --> 00:09:51,180 I'm not that kind of guy. 235 00:09:59,290 --> 00:10:01,460 He's a cocky bastard. 236 00:10:01,530 --> 00:10:03,160 The guy's a piece of work. 237 00:10:03,330 --> 00:10:04,530 So what do you think? 238 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:05,830 Oh, I like him a lot for it. 239 00:10:05,900 --> 00:10:10,060 I think he looks good. Means, motive, opportunity, he's got no alibi to speak of. 240 00:10:10,140 --> 00:10:11,200 (KNOCKING AT DOOR) 241 00:10:12,170 --> 00:10:14,440 Sorry to disturb you, Loo. Lab said it was urgent. 242 00:10:14,510 --> 00:10:15,940 Thanks. 243 00:10:16,010 --> 00:10:19,110 Well, they got two sets of prints on the steering wheel, 244 00:10:19,180 --> 00:10:21,170 Thorne's and someone who's not in the system. 245 00:10:21,250 --> 00:10:22,240 Doesn't mean anything. 246 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,150 He's right. He could have loaned his car to a friend a week ago, or a month ago. 247 00:10:26,750 --> 00:10:28,420 Well, better to put it to rest anyway. 248 00:10:28,490 --> 00:10:29,790 Go on over to Intel, 249 00:10:29,860 --> 00:10:31,880 see if they've finished checking backgrounds on the passengers. 250 00:10:32,890 --> 00:10:35,760 What about Prince Charming here? We were just getting started. 251 00:10:36,260 --> 00:10:37,660 I'll take care of him. 252 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,830 Post 9111, we do more terrorism than drug work, truthfully. 253 00:10:46,140 --> 00:10:51,240 We have agents from Customs, Immigration, NYPD, DEA, IRS, FBI, 254 00:10:51,310 --> 00:10:52,610 and access to all their systems. 255 00:10:53,050 --> 00:10:55,210 Do you think that this was a terrorist attack? 256 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,680 At first I thought, "Okay, here we go." 257 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,050 But it's been quiet, 258 00:10:59,420 --> 00:11:00,790 no chatter, no other incidents. 259 00:11:00,860 --> 00:11:04,290 We're starting to be reasonably confident this was an isolated criminal act only. 260 00:11:04,860 --> 00:11:06,160 We hear you have a suspect in custody. 261 00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:07,490 Yeah, it looks good for us. 262 00:11:07,860 --> 00:11:08,990 But there's a second set of prints. 263 00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:11,730 We all know fingerprints don't come with a time stamp. 264 00:11:11,870 --> 00:11:14,030 You complete the backgrounds on all the Aideds yet? 265 00:11:14,140 --> 00:11:15,830 Yeah. Anybodyjump outatyou? 266 00:11:16,140 --> 00:11:17,330 Aside from the faked injuries, 267 00:11:17,410 --> 00:11:20,470 in anticipation of a big insurance settlement with the railroad? 268 00:11:20,710 --> 00:11:21,900 People are amazing. 269 00:11:21,980 --> 00:11:24,170 Hey, you have to answer when opportunity knocks. 270 00:11:24,710 --> 00:11:27,480 Twelve men between the ages of 16 and 75 271 00:11:27,550 --> 00:11:29,610 who had no ticket stub, no monthly pass, 272 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,310 couldn't remember where they boarded the train, 273 00:11:31,390 --> 00:11:34,290 or had an inappropriate address relative to their station stop. 274 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:35,520 You run 'em? 275 00:11:35,620 --> 00:11:38,120 No criminal records, not on any watch list. Four were vets, 276 00:11:38,190 --> 00:11:40,990 we had BCI do a comparison against the second set of prints, 277 00:11:41,060 --> 00:11:42,530 eliminated them right away. 278 00:11:43,570 --> 00:11:46,000 Here are the other eight, for what it's worth. 279 00:11:47,100 --> 00:11:48,800 Thank you very much. My pleasure. 280 00:11:50,970 --> 00:11:52,460 Well, two of them live uptown, 281 00:11:52,540 --> 00:11:54,870 near where Thorne says his SUV was stolen. 282 00:11:54,940 --> 00:11:57,740 This list assumes these guys had real IDs. 283 00:11:58,350 --> 00:12:01,180 But let's say that the driver is not a terrorist. 284 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:03,380 He stays around too long, he gets stuck there. 285 00:12:03,750 --> 00:12:04,880 Has to show his real ID. 286 00:12:04,950 --> 00:12:06,180 What have we got to lose? 287 00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:09,020 I was visiting my girlfriend. 288 00:12:09,490 --> 00:12:12,120 You told the detective you boarded the train at Purchase. 289 00:12:12,260 --> 00:12:14,390 I was confused, okay? Freaked out. 290 00:12:14,460 --> 00:12:18,300 I hit my head in the crash, I was groggy, okay? I kept saying Purchase, 291 00:12:18,370 --> 00:12:19,600 I meant White Plains. 292 00:12:19,670 --> 00:12:21,470 My girlfriend goes to Purchase, 293 00:12:21,540 --> 00:12:23,440 her folks live in White Plains, okay? 294 00:12:23,940 --> 00:12:25,770 Would you watch your tone of voice with us, please? 295 00:12:27,310 --> 00:12:28,830 What are you, my parents? 296 00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:38,010 If you don't stop acting like a tough guy right now, 297 00:12:38,090 --> 00:12:41,720 I'm gonna take you over my knee and I'm gonna spank you 298 00:12:41,790 --> 00:12:43,590 in front of all of your friends. 299 00:12:44,660 --> 00:12:46,020 You get the message? 300 00:12:46,730 --> 00:12:47,750 Sorry. 301 00:12:52,700 --> 00:12:54,670 You showed the detective a student ID? 302 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,600 Yeah. We need to see it. 303 00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:58,170 Uh, sure. 304 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,210 I already told the cops I didn't see anything before the crash. 305 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,800 Police officers. What? 306 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,540 "Cops" it's an offensive term. 307 00:13:04,610 --> 00:13:06,980 Oh. Okay. I didn't know. 308 00:13:07,050 --> 00:13:08,170 Now you do. 309 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,310 Okay, we're gonna have to copy this 310 00:13:11,390 --> 00:13:13,720 see if it's authentic, these are easy to fake. 311 00:13:13,790 --> 00:13:15,690 Oh, man I need it to get into the Student Union. 312 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,230 How am I gonna get dinner? 313 00:13:17,460 --> 00:13:19,950 You don't have anything else? Passport? Driver's license? 314 00:13:20,860 --> 00:13:21,850 Neither one. 315 00:13:21,930 --> 00:13:23,620 FONTANA: How come you don't have a driver's license? 316 00:13:23,830 --> 00:13:24,990 I don't drive. 317 00:13:25,070 --> 00:13:26,630 You don't know how to drive a car? 318 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:29,970 This is New York City, never had to learn. 319 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,770 I'm a third generation, no driver's license New Yorker. 320 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,600 No driver's license. No passport. 321 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:37,480 So if we said to you, "Don't leave town." 322 00:13:37,580 --> 00:13:38,840 Wouldn't dream of it. 323 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,480 "Dave Buckley, 35. Construction worker, 324 00:13:45,550 --> 00:13:47,390 "cuts and bruises, treated at the scene." 325 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,660 Well, at least this guy has a driver's license. 326 00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:51,660 I'd like to get done with this thing, 327 00:13:51,730 --> 00:13:53,250 have another go at Lenny Thorne. 328 00:13:53,530 --> 00:13:54,720 So would I. 329 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,660 BUCKLEY: Who is it? 330 00:13:57,730 --> 00:14:00,100 New York City Police Department, Mr. Buckley. 331 00:14:00,170 --> 00:14:01,470 Hang on a second. 332 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:04,990 Hey, yeah, come on in. 333 00:14:07,780 --> 00:14:11,080 Sorry about the mess. I'm not much of a housekeeper. 334 00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:12,780 Let me clear you a spot here. 335 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,880 That's okay, we won't be here that long. 336 00:14:14,950 --> 00:14:17,540 We just wanted to ask you a few more questions about the train. 337 00:14:18,290 --> 00:14:19,720 Looks like you've got cut up a little bit. 338 00:14:19,790 --> 00:14:22,020 Uh, yeah, you know, flying glass. 339 00:14:22,220 --> 00:14:23,210 You got kids? 340 00:14:23,620 --> 00:14:26,960 Yeah, that's my daughter. She's six going on 16. 341 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,860 I know what you mean. I got two, a boy and a girl, three and six, also. 342 00:14:31,330 --> 00:14:34,890 Yeah, those little girls, they're the best, though, huh? That father-daughter thing? 343 00:14:34,970 --> 00:14:35,960 Oh, it's great. 344 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,600 Yeah I wish I could freeze her just at that age, you know? 345 00:14:38,670 --> 00:14:39,730 You divorced? 346 00:14:39,810 --> 00:14:40,800 Separated. 347 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,770 You know, just a temporary thing. 348 00:14:45,150 --> 00:14:46,310 You know how it is. 349 00:14:47,420 --> 00:14:49,350 Up and downs, we'll work it out. 350 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,070 Your wrist. 351 00:14:51,550 --> 00:14:52,580 Huh? 352 00:14:52,650 --> 00:14:53,880 Your wrist is bleeding. 353 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,020 Oh, yeah. I don't know why that keeps doing that. 354 00:14:57,660 --> 00:14:58,650 Did that happen at the wreck? 355 00:14:58,730 --> 00:15:00,190 Yeah, yeah. 356 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:02,690 They should've taken you to the hospital, had it sewn up. 357 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,170 Yeah, they wanted to, but I... 358 00:15:05,870 --> 00:15:07,560 But what? You refused medical aid? 359 00:15:08,970 --> 00:15:10,270 I don't have insurance. 360 00:15:10,610 --> 00:15:11,800 Uh-huh. 361 00:15:17,380 --> 00:15:18,370 That looks pretty fresh. 362 00:15:19,750 --> 00:15:20,870 Yeah, well, I had it butterflied. 363 00:15:20,950 --> 00:15:22,680 Yeah, I guess it probably busted loose. 364 00:15:23,220 --> 00:15:24,780 I want to take a look at that. 365 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:39,130 Oh, yeah. 366 00:15:41,470 --> 00:15:42,870 Yeah. It's gonna need a fresh bandage. 367 00:15:43,470 --> 00:15:45,200 Yeah, there's some gauze over there. 368 00:15:45,770 --> 00:15:47,100 Nick? Yeah? 369 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,940 This is not right. This is not right at all. 370 00:16:00,590 --> 00:16:01,580 What do you mean? 371 00:16:02,390 --> 00:16:04,360 This wasn't caused by flying glass. 372 00:16:05,490 --> 00:16:06,890 Yeah, it is. Sure it was. 373 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,390 No, it's too clean. 374 00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:12,390 This was caused by a blade. 375 00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:14,770 You cut yourself. You slashed your wrist. 376 00:16:15,170 --> 00:16:16,430 L--- 377 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:17,490 Nick? 378 00:16:17,770 --> 00:16:19,330 That's a blade cut. No question. 379 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:22,570 Why would you do that? 380 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:23,630 I don't know. 381 00:16:23,910 --> 00:16:25,240 Well, you're gonna need a doctor. 382 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,510 I don't know why... 383 00:16:29,580 --> 00:16:31,070 Why would you do such a thing, David? 384 00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:33,950 David? 385 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:39,830 I didn't mean to hurt anybody. 386 00:16:43,660 --> 00:16:45,220 I didn't mean to kill anybody. 387 00:16:46,630 --> 00:16:47,830 You killed 12 people. 388 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:50,830 (CRYING) 389 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:58,800 I'm sorry. 390 00:17:00,380 --> 00:17:01,640 (sums) 391 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,180 I just meant to kill myself. 392 00:17:07,050 --> 00:17:08,750 You wanna give us a statement now? 393 00:17:10,290 --> 00:17:11,920 Sure. Why not? 394 00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:26,540 You think he's for real? 395 00:17:26,610 --> 00:17:29,080 Do I think he really meant to commit suicide 396 00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:31,910 when he put that SUV in front of the train? 397 00:17:31,980 --> 00:17:34,910 I don't know. What difference does it make? 398 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,110 It might influence how he's charged. 399 00:17:37,180 --> 00:17:41,250 His DNA's in that vehicle, his prints are on the steering wheel, 400 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:42,550 his signature's on the confession. 401 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:44,150 Is it bullet proof? 402 00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:45,620 Witnessed, videotaped. 403 00:17:46,990 --> 00:17:48,050 Wish there'd been a lawyer there. 404 00:17:48,460 --> 00:17:50,090 He didn't want one. 405 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,290 Look,lhope you're charging him with 12 counts of murder one, 406 00:17:53,370 --> 00:17:55,560 two hundred and fifty counts of attempted murder, 407 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,900 and whatever else you can throw at him. 408 00:17:57,970 --> 00:17:59,870 I was at the scene, Counselor. 409 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:05,040 And if this case doesn't help bring back the death penalty in New York State, 410 00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:07,010 I don't know what will. 411 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,480 It's hard to know where to begin with Mr. Buckley. 412 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,790 I think we can hold the multitude of lesser counts in reserve. 413 00:18:14,890 --> 00:18:17,380 So the question is, which theory of murder two? 414 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,620 Well, why wouldn't you hedge your bets and charge both? 415 00:18:20,030 --> 00:18:22,330 Well, until recently, that's exactly what we'd do. 416 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,760 There was a red alert ruling last year People v. Payne. 417 00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:26,530 I'm not familiar with it. 418 00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:29,700 The defendant shot the victim in the stomach with a shotgun. 419 00:18:29,770 --> 00:18:31,360 There was some question about why, 420 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,000 so we charged him with both theories of murder two. 421 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,010 Thejury acquitted on intentional, convicted on depraved indifference. 422 00:18:38,380 --> 00:18:40,750 So the strategy worked, you got your fallback position. 423 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,220 The Court of Appeals overturned the depraved indifference conviction. 424 00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:45,340 Insufficient evidence. 425 00:18:46,590 --> 00:18:48,560 And since he'd already been acquitted of intentional... 426 00:18:48,620 --> 00:18:49,750 JACK: He walked. 427 00:18:49,820 --> 00:18:51,690 I think we go with depraved. 428 00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:53,590 Take the classic law school example, 429 00:18:53,660 --> 00:18:56,060 throwing open the lion's cage in a crowded zoo, 430 00:18:56,130 --> 00:18:57,460 without regard for the consequences. 431 00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:59,700 That's exactly what he did, isn't it? 432 00:19:00,530 --> 00:19:01,730 I'll draw up the indictment. 433 00:19:01,970 --> 00:19:03,840 JACK: Who's his lawyer? Legal aid? 434 00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:07,400 Someone just agreed to represent him, pro bono, a Rodney Fallon. 435 00:19:08,140 --> 00:19:09,230 You know him? 436 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,280 Let's arrange a meeting. 437 00:19:13,980 --> 00:19:17,350 My intent to file an affirmative defense. 438 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,050 Not guilty by reason of insanity. 439 00:19:24,330 --> 00:19:27,490 This is a textbook example of depraved indifference. 440 00:19:28,130 --> 00:19:31,160 And given that less than one percent of insanity defenses succeed... 441 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,490 It's still on the books, it ought to have some validity. 442 00:19:33,570 --> 00:19:36,900 The public doesn't believe in insanity defenses anymore. Look at Andrea Yates. 443 00:19:37,140 --> 00:19:39,470 If a woman who drowns her four children isn't crazy, who is? 444 00:19:39,740 --> 00:19:41,670 That's Texas, this is New York City. 445 00:19:41,740 --> 00:19:44,400 I don't think there's a red statefblue state schism on this issue. 446 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,880 We have every confidence of prevailing in front of ajury. 447 00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:49,810 The jury is gonna see a very sympathetic man, Miss Borgia, not a monster. 448 00:19:50,650 --> 00:19:52,850 Someone who deserves treatment, not punishment. 449 00:19:53,220 --> 00:19:54,280 What are you looking for? 450 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:55,350 Man two. 451 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,150 Are you joking? 452 00:19:57,660 --> 00:19:59,680 Fifteen years, each count. To be served concurrently. 453 00:19:59,790 --> 00:20:02,130 As if he'd killed one person and not 12? 454 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,220 That was his intent. One person: himself. 455 00:20:04,300 --> 00:20:07,500 I share my colleague's distaste for your proposal. 456 00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:09,600 Well, make me a counter. 457 00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:12,270 You shouldn't mislead your client, Mr. Fallon. 458 00:20:12,340 --> 00:20:14,570 He's going to prison for the rest of his life. 459 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,210 That's no incentive. 460 00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:20,310 We understand he has a large extended family. 461 00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:22,810 We'll recommend that he serve his sentence in a downstate penitentiary. 462 00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:25,140 No sale. 463 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,020 We'll schedule a 730 exam. 464 00:20:29,890 --> 00:20:33,120 I have no doubt heWlbejudged competent to stand trial. 465 00:20:33,490 --> 00:20:34,520 No doubt. 466 00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:37,330 As you say, Miss Borgia, 467 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,230 these days everyone's competent to stand trial, 468 00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:42,530 no matter how crazy they are. 469 00:20:48,380 --> 00:20:51,240 JACK: The defendant stole an SUV, 470 00:20:52,050 --> 00:20:54,010 crashed it through a security gate, 471 00:20:54,620 --> 00:20:58,180 and left it directly in the path of a high-speed commuter train 472 00:20:58,250 --> 00:20:59,910 full of people on their way to work. 473 00:21:00,990 --> 00:21:02,480 He killed 12, 474 00:21:03,060 --> 00:21:05,580 injured more than a hundred and fifty others. 475 00:21:06,090 --> 00:21:07,720 Some of them sustained injuries 476 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,850 that will cripple them for the rest of their lives. 477 00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:12,960 He put every single person on that train at risk. 478 00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:15,760 Why he did it 479 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,330 is irrelevant. 480 00:21:18,170 --> 00:21:19,640 That he did it 481 00:21:19,710 --> 00:21:21,110 is incontrovertible. 482 00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:23,680 And ultimately, the only thing that matters. 483 00:21:37,260 --> 00:21:39,350 The deed speaks for itself. 484 00:21:39,690 --> 00:21:41,490 Davey Buckley was out of his mind. 485 00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:44,490 He wasn't thinking about the consequences of his actions. 486 00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:45,560 He couldn't. 487 00:21:45,970 --> 00:21:48,200 He was focused solely 488 00:21:48,270 --> 00:21:50,700 on the insane act of taking his own life. 489 00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:56,210 Davey Buckley has atroubled history 490 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,180 of behaviors that point to an undiagnosed mental illness. 491 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,470 Depression. 492 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,780 Bipolar disorder. 493 00:22:04,820 --> 00:22:06,290 He never had the resources 494 00:22:06,350 --> 00:22:07,340 to get the help he needed. 495 00:22:07,820 --> 00:22:09,220 He fell through the cracks. 496 00:22:09,290 --> 00:22:11,620 Davey Buckley was an accident waiting to happen. 497 00:22:12,930 --> 00:22:15,790 Now, you and I know that there is no safety net for the working poor. 498 00:22:16,430 --> 00:22:19,700 If he was rich, or even middle class, 499 00:22:19,770 --> 00:22:21,460 this never would have occurred. 500 00:22:23,300 --> 00:22:27,330 Davey Buckley is not criminally responsible for that tragic accident. 501 00:22:32,910 --> 00:22:36,010 He timed his arrival at the security gate with the shift change 502 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,710 at the monitoring station, 503 00:22:37,790 --> 00:22:39,310 so there was minimal opportunity 504 00:22:39,390 --> 00:22:41,580 to alert the crew and avert the collision. 505 00:22:42,590 --> 00:22:44,460 How would you characterize his actions? 506 00:22:44,660 --> 00:22:45,720 Objection. 507 00:22:45,890 --> 00:22:48,920 The witness has no insight as to Mr. Buckley's state of mind. 508 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,790 Mr. McCoy? 509 00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:54,270 Detective, 510 00:22:54,340 --> 00:22:56,000 did you form an opinion 511 00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:58,870 about the expertise and efficacy 512 00:22:58,940 --> 00:23:02,380 of the defendant's criminal activities in relation to this incident? 513 00:23:03,410 --> 00:23:06,440 Highly organized, well planned, well executed. 514 00:23:07,050 --> 00:23:09,910 What about the defendant's actions after the crash? 515 00:23:10,450 --> 00:23:11,980 He remained at the scene, 516 00:23:12,050 --> 00:23:14,180 mingled in with the real passengers, 517 00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:18,620 he used a pocket knife to inflict some superficial wounds to his hands and arms, 518 00:23:18,690 --> 00:23:20,420 he was treated by medical personnel, 519 00:23:20,490 --> 00:23:21,480 and released. 520 00:23:21,630 --> 00:23:23,150 JACK: How do you interpret those actions? 521 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,320 He was trying to blend in, get away like any other hit and runner. 522 00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:27,520 Objection! 523 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:28,830 Sustained. 524 00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:37,540 You arrested Mr. Buckley? 525 00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:38,840 Yes. 526 00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:40,940 Interrogated him? 527 00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:43,380 I interviewed him, yes. Me and my partner. 528 00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:44,940 He confessed? 529 00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:47,510 He voluntarily gave us a statement, yes. 530 00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:49,580 And after he confessed? 531 00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:51,780 We processed him through the system. 532 00:23:52,290 --> 00:23:54,160 Did you make any special arrangements for Mr. Buckley? 533 00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:57,260 Special arrangements? 534 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,790 Given the circumstances surrounding this incident. 535 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,190 Were any special precautions taken regarding his incarceration? 536 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,010 He was placed on 24 hour suicide watch. 537 00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:19,150 How do you think it's going? 538 00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:21,110 I think we put on a strong case. 539 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:24,980 You think Fallon scored any points? 540 00:24:25,230 --> 00:24:28,530 The fact that the police put Davey Buckley on a suicide watch? 541 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,720 A reasonable precaution. 542 00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:33,200 I was going over their witness list for tomorrow. 543 00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:36,930 There's a neighborhood storefront clinic doctor, and an expert for hire. 544 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,540 Who probably spent all of an hour with Davey Buckley, 545 00:24:41,310 --> 00:24:45,370 but will tell us that he had a troubled childhood and he's clinically insane. 546 00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:48,470 And what about this neighborhood doctor? What is that about? 547 00:24:48,650 --> 00:24:52,110 Fallon's not interested in rehabilitating the insanity defense. 548 00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:54,790 He's using this as a soapbox. 549 00:24:55,020 --> 00:24:57,150 Mental health benefits for the working poor. 550 00:24:58,090 --> 00:24:59,650 That could resonate with the jury. 551 00:24:59,890 --> 00:25:02,360 Middle class people are worried about losing their health insurance. 552 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,090 This isn't about that. 553 00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:06,590 I'm not going to let Fallon distract them. 554 00:25:11,410 --> 00:25:12,700 FALLON: Well, according to these records, 555 00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:14,400 Davey Buckley came to your clinic three times. 556 00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:16,200 If that's what it says. 557 00:25:16,540 --> 00:25:19,270 In fact, he saw a different doctor each time. 558 00:25:19,780 --> 00:25:21,150 Do you remember what his symptoms were? 559 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:22,880 I'd have to look at the file. 560 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,450 Depression. 561 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,450 Do you remember what you prescribed for him? 562 00:25:26,590 --> 00:25:28,390 Again, without refreshing my memory... 563 00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:29,450 Haldol. 564 00:25:30,090 --> 00:25:31,290 If that's what it says. 565 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:32,350 That's exactly what it says. 566 00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:35,530 How much Haldol did you prescribe for Mr. Buckley? 567 00:25:36,130 --> 00:25:37,360 Do you remember? 568 00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:39,060 A year's worth? A month's worth? 569 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,390 It would have been less than that. 570 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,960 Four or five day's worth, at the most. 571 00:25:45,410 --> 00:25:48,140 Did you ever do any follow up with Mr. Buckley, to see how he was doing? 572 00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:51,370 We don't do follow up. We don't have the resources. 573 00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:54,410 Are you a psychiatrist? 574 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,270 No. 575 00:25:56,750 --> 00:26:00,380 Have you ever had any training in psychiatry or psychology? 576 00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:02,950 Just the standard six-week rotation. 577 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,120 Yet, you felt competent in diagnosing Mr. Buckley as depressed? 578 00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:09,720 He diagnosed himself. 579 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,300 If a patient tells me he's depressed... 580 00:26:12,370 --> 00:26:13,460 You give him Haldol. 581 00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:15,730 Three or four day's worth. 582 00:26:18,170 --> 00:26:19,500 Why do people come to your clinic? 583 00:26:20,270 --> 00:26:21,540 It's in the neighborhood. 584 00:26:21,810 --> 00:26:22,800 Inexpensive. 585 00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:24,810 If people don't have insurance... 586 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,400 In other words, they come because they have no other choice. 587 00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:31,010 We do the best we can, under the circumstances. 588 00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:33,320 Did Davey Buckley have insurance? 589 00:26:34,690 --> 00:26:37,210 No... He didn't. 590 00:26:37,890 --> 00:26:39,830 Do you think he would have come to your clinic if he had? 591 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:42,150 Probably not. 592 00:26:48,670 --> 00:26:51,970 Are there circumstances under which you would have sent Mr. Buckley 593 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,130 to another facility for further care? 594 00:26:54,610 --> 00:26:58,550 Sure. If he exhibited severe symptoms, of course we would have. 595 00:26:59,010 --> 00:27:00,000 Thank you. 596 00:27:00,750 --> 00:27:01,740 Redirect, Your Honor? 597 00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:02,970 Go ahead. 598 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,550 Isn't it true, Doctor, that there is an unspoken policy at your clinic? 599 00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:09,610 Objection! 600 00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:11,480 Well, if there was an understanding, 601 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,120 certainly the witness can speak to it. 602 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,550 Overruled. 603 00:27:15,330 --> 00:27:17,130 Isn't it your understanding, Doctor, 604 00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:20,530 that whenever possible you're to throw cheap drugs at a patient 605 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,900 and not send them to the hospital for further treatment? 606 00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:25,730 That is a gross overstatement. 607 00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:27,460 Really? 608 00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:30,440 Well, if you say so. 609 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,270 JUDGE: Mr. Fallon? 610 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:37,910 (INDISTINCT CHATTERING) 611 00:27:39,420 --> 00:27:41,010 Mr. Fallon, please call your next witness. 612 00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:45,760 Yes, I'd like to call expert witness, Dr. Sheldon Farnes. 613 00:27:45,860 --> 00:27:48,620 That's not. No. I don't agree with that, I don't want you to. 614 00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:50,560 JUDGE: Mr. Buckley that is not appropriate. 615 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,890 I'm sorry, Your Honor. 616 00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:54,090 Davey, please. I don't agree to this. Not at all. 617 00:27:54,170 --> 00:27:56,470 Mr. Fallon, please remind your client this is a court of law... 618 00:27:56,540 --> 00:27:58,510 He's not my lawyer anymore. Davey. 619 00:27:58,570 --> 00:28:00,170 No, I'm firing him, YourHonoL Davey, please. 620 00:28:00,710 --> 00:28:02,570 FALLON: Your Honor, can we recess for a few minutes, please? 621 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,170 I want to represent myself, Your Honor. 622 00:28:05,050 --> 00:28:07,170 That is not wise, Mr. Buckley. 623 00:28:07,410 --> 00:28:08,850 I want to change my plea, too. 624 00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:11,350 You wish to plead guilty? 625 00:28:12,050 --> 00:28:13,040 Not guilty. 626 00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:14,920 I wish to plead not guilty. 627 00:28:15,690 --> 00:28:16,880 I don't understand, what... 628 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,820 No insanity, uh... 629 00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:21,660 You know, just not guilty. 630 00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:32,600 What the hell happened between close of court yesterday and this morning? 631 00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:34,970 Why Davey Buckley's sudden change of heart? 632 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,830 Ichecked the visitor's log at Rikers. 633 00:28:36,910 --> 00:28:38,810 His brother Thomas paid him a visit last night. 634 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,970 So I called Thomas, I asked him what they talked about. 635 00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:42,840 He said he just tried to cheer Davey up. 636 00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:44,580 Told him how well things were going, 637 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,610 what a great job Fallon was doing, 638 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,990 how persuasive their expert witness would be. 639 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,150 More or less. 640 00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:53,280 Maybe brother Thomas was too convincing. 641 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,260 Buckley's starting to believe that Fallon's strategy might actually work. 642 00:28:57,860 --> 00:28:58,850 I don't follow you. 643 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,100 If Davey Buckley is acquitted by reason of insanity, 644 00:29:02,170 --> 00:29:03,830 he goes to a mental institution. 645 00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:06,270 For an indeterminate amount of time. 646 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,740 He'd rather go to prison? 647 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,730 I don't know. 648 00:29:11,310 --> 00:29:13,910 Doesn't it work to our advantage if he represents himself? 649 00:29:14,150 --> 00:29:15,210 It's a wild card. 650 00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:17,210 I hate to give an appellate court 651 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,910 anything to hang a reversal on. 652 00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:21,820 Hopefully Judge Bradley won't let it get that far. 653 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,760 Mr. Buckley, do you understand the pitfalls of representing yourself? 654 00:29:31,870 --> 00:29:34,960 The need for adequate legal counsel in our adversarial system? 655 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,430 Yes, Your Honor. 656 00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:40,170 I have to warn you, Mr. Buckley, 657 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,340 you will forfeit your right to self representation 658 00:29:43,410 --> 00:29:46,510 if you engage in disruptive or obstreperous conduct, 659 00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:48,110 calculated to undermine, 660 00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:50,650 or delay the progress of this trial. 661 00:29:50,980 --> 00:29:52,280 I understand, Your Honor. 662 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,420 All right, Mr. Buckley. 663 00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:57,890 You may proceed. 664 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,720 Your Honor, with all due respect. 665 00:30:00,390 --> 00:30:02,120 I know the People's position, Mr. McCoy. 666 00:30:02,430 --> 00:30:03,490 Your Honor, 667 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,400 in light of this decision, I would like to be relieved of my duties. 668 00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:08,630 Your application is denied. 669 00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:10,800 I need you to be standby counsel for Mr. Buckley. 670 00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:12,070 Your Honor... 671 00:30:12,140 --> 00:30:13,940 I'll not take no for an answer, Mr. Fallon. 672 00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:17,270 Mr. Buckley, when will you be ready to call your first witness? 673 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,380 I only have one witness, Your Honor. Myself. 674 00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:25,250 How do you propose to testify and do direct examination? 675 00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:29,950 I thought I could write out the questions, and, uh... 676 00:30:30,020 --> 00:30:32,190 Mr. Fallon could ask them, so I could answer. 677 00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:33,450 Your Honor... 678 00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:35,800 This idea is just further evidence that 679 00:30:35,860 --> 00:30:38,760 Mr. Buckley shouldn't represent himself. 680 00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:41,460 I think it's a very practical idea, Mr. Fallon. 681 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,800 Court will reconvene tomorrow. 682 00:30:43,870 --> 00:30:45,000 (BANGS GAVEL) 683 00:30:49,540 --> 00:30:51,840 "Did you really intend to kill yourself?" 684 00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:53,070 BUCKLEY: Yes. 685 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,670 "Didn't you think other people would be hurt?" 686 00:31:00,490 --> 00:31:01,920 I feel terrible about that. 687 00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:09,660 I honestly thought that the train would demolish the SUV, 688 00:31:09,730 --> 00:31:11,030 and just keep going. 689 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,630 The train was so much bigger, it was so much heavier. 690 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,830 And, uh... 691 00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,640 And I thought it would just smash the car, 692 00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:21,900 or it would push it aside, like a bulldozer. 693 00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:27,550 "What was your state of mind that morning?" 694 00:31:29,050 --> 00:31:31,580 I just wanted to put myself out of my misery. 695 00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:33,280 That's all I was thinking about. 696 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,650 "Then why didn't you?" 697 00:31:47,370 --> 00:31:49,600 I saw the train coming. And, uh... 698 00:31:51,770 --> 00:31:53,500 I saw my little girl's face. 699 00:31:54,540 --> 00:31:57,030 And I just... I couldn't do it. 700 00:31:59,010 --> 00:32:01,000 I tried to drive the car off the tracks. 701 00:32:01,310 --> 00:32:03,870 I swear to God. And it, it was stuck. 702 00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:08,810 I didn't mean to hurt anyone 703 00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:12,320 I didn't mean for anyone to get hurt. 704 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,170 I'm concerned that he's coming across 705 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,360 as an effective, sympathetic defendant. 706 00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:27,410 I was going over Fallon's witness list, 707 00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:29,600 the ones he would've called if Buckley hadn't fired him? 708 00:32:29,780 --> 00:32:31,440 His brothers and sisters are on the list. 709 00:32:31,510 --> 00:32:32,740 More sibling testimony 710 00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:35,010 about the trials and tribulations of Davey Buckley. 711 00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:37,980 That's the thing. There's another brother, Jimmy. 712 00:32:38,050 --> 00:32:40,380 He's the oldest, owns a construction company. 713 00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:41,890 Davey used to work for him. 714 00:32:42,060 --> 00:32:44,520 Jimmy Buckley wasn't on Fallon's witness list. 715 00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:46,060 All the others were, but not him. 716 00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:48,790 I'm due back for cross. See what he has to say 717 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,720 JACK: You didn't think anyone else would get hurt? 718 00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:55,530 No. 719 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,770 And you didn't want to leave your daughter fatherless? 720 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,100 I couldn't. 721 00:33:03,410 --> 00:33:04,610 Commendable. 722 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,710 What about all the other fatherless daughters and sons you created 723 00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:12,050 through your reckless disregard for other people's lives? 724 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,720 Objection. If I'm allowed to object. 725 00:33:15,790 --> 00:33:17,590 You are. Sustained. 726 00:33:18,860 --> 00:33:20,120 If you really wanted to kill yourself, 727 00:33:20,190 --> 00:33:22,720 why didn't you use a gun, Mr. Buckley? Or a knife? 728 00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:25,860 Take sleeping pills, throw yourself out of the window? 729 00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:27,970 I wanted to be sure. 730 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,100 I didn't want to survive, and become a burden on my family. 731 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,670 Then why didn't you just walk onto the tracks, 732 00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:40,480 throw yourself in front of the train? 733 00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:43,980 I don't know. 734 00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:48,390 What was the real reason you decided to derail that train? 735 00:33:48,490 --> 00:33:51,750 I didn't want to derail the train, I wanted to kill myself. 736 00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:54,550 Wasn't it to get your estranged wife's attention? 737 00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:56,430 No, that wasn't the reason. 738 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,900 She's been here for you every day, hasn't she? 739 00:34:02,970 --> 00:34:04,160 Yes, she has. 740 00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:07,460 You succeeded in getting her attention... 741 00:34:07,540 --> 00:34:10,600 And all that cost was 12 lives and hundreds of injuries. 742 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:11,670 Objection! 743 00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:12,770 JUDGE: Sustained. 744 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,670 Do you think you're the victim here, Mr. Buckley? 745 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,010 No. 746 00:34:19,150 --> 00:34:21,950 Were you hoping to gain her sympathy? 747 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,420 No. 748 00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:27,490 Are you hoping that she'll take you back, even if you're in jail? 749 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,230 Your Honor, Mr. McCoy is busily painting a picture that is entirely speculative. 750 00:34:31,930 --> 00:34:33,160 Sustained. 751 00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:35,060 JACK: Nothing further, Your Honor. 752 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,060 JUDGE: Mr. Buckley, you may step down. 753 00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:45,010 Does the Defense wish to call any other witnesses, Mr. Fallon? 754 00:34:47,050 --> 00:34:49,280 Your Honor, the Defense rests. 755 00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:50,610 Mr. McCoy? 756 00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:53,710 The People have a witness to call on rebuttal, Your Honor. James Buckley. 757 00:34:54,590 --> 00:34:57,490 JUDGE: All right, we will recess until tomorrow morning. 758 00:34:57,790 --> 00:34:58,920 (BANGS GAVEL) 759 00:35:00,990 --> 00:35:02,960 Davey's prone to melancholy. 760 00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:04,360 Always has been. 761 00:35:04,860 --> 00:35:06,260 I mean, he's sweet. 762 00:35:06,830 --> 00:35:08,630 Funny. People like him. When's he up. 763 00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:10,330 When he's down, when he's drinking... 764 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,210 He's dark as dark could be. 765 00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:16,610 He has a drinking problem? 766 00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:18,230 Since he was a kid, yeah. 767 00:35:19,150 --> 00:35:20,840 JACK: He was sober at the time of the train wreck. 768 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,140 JAMES: On and off the wagon, his whole life. 769 00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:25,910 Growing up, 770 00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:29,790 did you and your family think of your brother as being mentally unstable? 771 00:35:31,020 --> 00:35:32,190 More like hard luck. 772 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,630 Davey's in trouble again. Davey's got himself in another scrape. 773 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:37,990 Davey can't catch a break, poor kid. 774 00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:39,160 JACK: What kind of trouble? 775 00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:41,530 Trouble in school, trouble at work. 776 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,430 Couldn't pay attention, couldn't hold a job. 777 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,100 You say he couldn't hold a job? But he worked for you. 778 00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:49,100 He had a wife, a new baby. 779 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,210 I told him, "This is your last chance. You have to promise me." 780 00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:55,410 And he did. 781 00:35:56,420 --> 00:35:58,010 How long did he work for you? 782 00:35:58,220 --> 00:36:00,020 Nine months, maybe. 783 00:36:00,350 --> 00:36:02,150 He started drinking again. On the job. 784 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:03,790 He was a hazard, 785 00:36:03,860 --> 00:36:05,260 to himself and others. 786 00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:06,950 So you fired him. 787 00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:08,020 Had to. 788 00:36:08,090 --> 00:36:10,090 He made me a promise, 789 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,960 I had to let him know I was serious this time. 790 00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:16,400 Did you give him any further assistance? 791 00:36:16,940 --> 00:36:19,600 I paid for rehab. Again. 30,000 a pop. 792 00:36:21,340 --> 00:36:25,400 Did you ever encourage him to get any other kind of counseling, beyond rehab? 793 00:36:25,610 --> 00:36:27,210 Many times over the years. 794 00:36:27,550 --> 00:36:29,980 Told him I'd foot the bill for that too, no matter what. 795 00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:32,350 He always waved me off, said he didn't need it. 796 00:36:33,350 --> 00:36:36,980 Did you know that he'd gone to a clinic, seeking help for depression? 797 00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:39,020 No, I didn't know. 798 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,650 Why not? 799 00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:42,920 Why wouldn't he want you to know about that? 800 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,760 Ashamed, maybe. 801 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,560 That's how it is where we come from, you know. 802 00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:49,760 It's a shameful thing to need help with... 803 00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:53,310 You know, your emotions. 804 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,450 Your other brothers and sisters were scheduled to testify for the Defense. 805 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,310 Yeah, well, they still got a soft spot for him. 806 00:37:05,090 --> 00:37:06,250 But not you. 807 00:37:07,090 --> 00:37:09,920 I told Mr. Fallon I couldn't... 808 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,660 I couldn't stand up and swear. 809 00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:14,720 Not in good conscience. 810 00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:36,950 Did you think I was crazy, Jimmy? 811 00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:38,920 You heard me. I thought you had troubles. 812 00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:40,080 We all did. 813 00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:42,490 Did I ever, uh... 814 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,020 Hear voices? 815 00:37:44,620 --> 00:37:45,920 Hallucinate? 816 00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:47,790 Not that I know, no. 817 00:37:48,730 --> 00:37:50,490 Did I ever try to commit suicide? 818 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,030 Again, not that I know. 819 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,460 Did I ever threaten to kill myself? 820 00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:57,630 Not until your marriage went sour. 821 00:37:58,300 --> 00:37:59,290 Exactly. 822 00:38:00,070 --> 00:38:01,060 So, 823 00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:03,610 when I made those threats, 824 00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:06,880 I mean, didn't you think that was a sign that something was wrong? 825 00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:08,910 I didn't take them seriously. 826 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,880 You didn't? Why not? 827 00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:14,910 You're all talk, Davey. 828 00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:16,780 You're a daydreamer. 829 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,450 Have been your whole life. 830 00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:20,880 So you didn't think I would go through with it? 831 00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:24,230 And you didn't, did you? 832 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,000 Did you wish that I had? 833 00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:34,670 Ah, come on. 834 00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:39,500 Did you? 835 00:38:41,180 --> 00:38:42,240 No. 836 00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:43,370 Iwouldn't. 837 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,670 Never. 838 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,050 Well, why not? 839 00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:55,360 I mean, that would be it, right? That would be the end of it. 840 00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:57,860 No more. 841 00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:00,230 No more Davey to worry about. 842 00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:07,570 You gave up on me, Jimmy. 843 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,370 That's right, I did. You're right. 844 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,510 You knew I needed help. 845 00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:24,750 When Maureen threw me out, who did I call? I called you. 846 00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:25,850 Yes, you did. 847 00:39:25,930 --> 00:39:29,360 I called you first. And what did I say? 848 00:39:30,430 --> 00:39:33,630 You said you were in desperate straits. 849 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,430 I needed help. 850 00:39:39,110 --> 00:39:40,370 What did you say? 851 00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:45,340 I said, "No, I'm done, enough's enough." 852 00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:50,450 Enough's enough. 853 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,040 I have my own family to take care of. 854 00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:53,620 I'm your family too, Jimmy! 855 00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,120 No. 856 00:40:00,790 --> 00:40:01,920 You're not. 857 00:40:04,930 --> 00:40:06,190 Not anymore. 858 00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:23,380 On the first count of the indictment, murder in the second degree, 859 00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:24,540 how do you find? 860 00:40:25,490 --> 00:40:26,750 We find the defendant 861 00:40:26,820 --> 00:40:27,810 guilty. 862 00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:31,050 On the second count of the indictment, murder in the second degree, 863 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,490 how do you find? 864 00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:34,760 We find the defendant guilty. 865 00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:37,860 On the third count of the indictment, murder in the second degree, 866 00:40:37,930 --> 00:40:39,090 how do you find? 867 00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:41,330 We find the defendant guilty. 868 00:40:41,530 --> 00:40:43,020 On the fourth count of the indictment, 869 00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:45,160 murder in the second degree... 870 00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:48,510 You could still recommend that Judge Bradley sentence him concurrently. 871 00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:50,540 Twelve life sentences is what he deserves. 872 00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:52,010 I don't disagree. 873 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,170 You agree? 874 00:40:54,010 --> 00:40:55,780 He's criminally responsible? 875 00:40:58,220 --> 00:40:59,650 He did a terrible thing. 876 00:41:01,150 --> 00:41:02,620 But in a way, he was right. 877 00:41:03,820 --> 00:41:05,220 It could have been averted. 878 00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:08,530 Billions for prisons, no health care. 879 00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:11,690 I don't make social policy. 880 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,090 No. 881 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:16,030 You just have to clean up after those who do. 67250

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