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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,526 -As a kid, I loved war movies. 2 00:00:04,121 --> 00:00:05,650 Especially anything happen to do with airplanes. 3 00:00:07,612 --> 00:00:11,233 So as soon as I graduated from High School, I enlisted in the Air Force. 4 00:00:13,827 --> 00:00:15,788 I was fascinated by the technology of war. 5 00:00:17,085 --> 00:00:18,947 Jet engines, radar. 6 00:00:20,409 --> 00:00:22,602 But I never saw action during my service. 7 00:00:23,633 --> 00:00:26,357 I never had to confront making the ultimate sacrifice for my country. 8 00:00:29,282 --> 00:00:33,006 More than a million soldiers have laid down their lives in the name of this country. 9 00:00:35,265 --> 00:00:40,983 They did it because, they believed the wars they fought were necessary, and just. 10 00:00:43,477 --> 00:00:46,369 Every country is proud of its veterans. 11 00:00:46,401 --> 00:00:49,193 And there are cemeteries all around the world just like this one. 12 00:00:51,387 --> 00:00:54,511 They are reminders of the terrible human cost of war. 13 00:00:57,835 --> 00:01:00,162 Can we put an end to this sacrifice? 14 00:01:01,292 --> 00:01:03,918 Is war inevitable? 15 00:01:04,848 --> 00:01:07,409 Or can we ever hope for a lasting peace? 16 00:01:10,301 --> 00:01:13,955 Is technology making war more likely, and more deadly? 17 00:01:14,986 --> 00:01:16,715 -I killed three people. 18 00:01:17,247 --> 00:01:19,308 Two of them were obliterated into pieces. 19 00:01:20,371 --> 00:01:24,261 -If one nuclear weapon is used, it would be mutually assured destruction. 20 00:01:26,886 --> 00:01:28,947 MORGAN: Is peace simply the absence of war? 21 00:01:29,910 --> 00:01:31,640 So this is the peace wall. 22 00:01:31,672 --> 00:01:32,902 It's put up for protection? 23 00:01:32,935 --> 00:01:35,029 -Yes because violence does flare up. 24 00:01:35,594 --> 00:01:38,553 MORGAN: And can we ever move beyond our urge to fight? 25 00:01:40,048 --> 00:01:44,003 -Even after genocide, revenge doesn't allow you to move on. 26 00:01:50,386 --> 00:01:53,179 * 27 00:01:55,139 --> 00:01:57,665 MORGAN: This is my journey. 28 00:01:59,127 --> 00:02:02,119 To discover the ties that bind us. 29 00:02:04,114 --> 00:02:06,506 And the common humanity inside us. 30 00:02:09,398 --> 00:02:11,924 This is The Story Of Us. 31 00:02:21,962 --> 00:02:25,153 * 32 00:02:25,187 --> 00:02:28,079 I'm on my way to a remote region of southern Ethiopia 33 00:02:28,777 --> 00:02:30,903 to meet two tribes that have been warring 34 00:02:30,936 --> 00:02:33,496 with one another for generations. 35 00:02:33,762 --> 00:02:36,654 The Dassanech and the Nyangatom. 36 00:02:38,250 --> 00:02:41,141 The Dassanech and Nyangatom societies center around cattle. 37 00:02:45,363 --> 00:02:49,019 But in this arid environment good grazing land is scarce. 38 00:02:50,282 --> 00:02:52,177 And it's often the flash point for conflict. 39 00:02:54,304 --> 00:02:58,724 John Lomala, a member of the Dassanech, has invited me to his village to witness 40 00:02:58,757 --> 00:03:03,411 a peace ceremony, an effort by the tribal elders, to end the fighting. 41 00:03:07,765 --> 00:03:10,957 So John, tell me, where am I? 42 00:03:12,385 --> 00:03:14,479 -You are in a Dassanech village called Damech. 43 00:03:14,778 --> 00:03:16,042 -Damech? 44 00:03:16,075 --> 00:03:18,103 -Damech is a village of Dassanech. 45 00:03:18,136 --> 00:03:20,530 And Dassanech is people of the Delta. 46 00:03:21,028 --> 00:03:22,823 -People of the Delta? 47 00:03:22,855 --> 00:03:26,279 I mean I live in a Delta also in Mississippi so, we have that much in common. 48 00:03:28,273 --> 00:03:32,760 -In this village when I was born, my family was telling me that my enemy is Nyangatom. 49 00:03:33,691 --> 00:03:35,751 They kill my uncle, they kill my aunt. 50 00:03:36,417 --> 00:03:39,342 -Wait a minute, you're telling me that these small villages, 51 00:03:39,376 --> 00:03:41,935 you fight and kill each other? 52 00:03:41,968 --> 00:03:43,863 -Yes. 53 00:03:43,897 --> 00:03:48,151 We have been fighting, over the pasture yeah, over the pasture water, grass. 54 00:03:49,513 --> 00:03:52,471 Here you need to have cows to have a wife. 55 00:03:52,937 --> 00:03:54,798 And if you don't have anything you should go 56 00:03:54,832 --> 00:03:57,258 and steal some animals and get a wife. 57 00:03:57,790 --> 00:04:00,216 -And that starts the fight? -Exactly. 58 00:04:00,250 --> 00:04:03,074 -So, about how many people have been killed in the last, two years? 59 00:04:05,069 --> 00:04:09,323 -I don't know the exact number but, maybe 20. 60 00:04:10,886 --> 00:04:12,980 -That's a lot, that's a lot of people in a small village. 61 00:04:17,234 --> 00:04:19,228 -He is a Dassanech warrior. -Are you? 62 00:04:19,262 --> 00:04:22,353 -Yeah, you can see he cut his chest. 63 00:04:22,386 --> 00:04:24,713 This is a symbol of a warrior. 64 00:04:25,444 --> 00:04:27,671 This signifies that he has killed an enemy. 65 00:04:30,197 --> 00:04:31,827 -How many men do you kill? 66 00:04:31,859 --> 00:04:34,220 (speaking in native language). 67 00:04:36,180 --> 00:04:38,374 -He said two. -Two? -Yes. 68 00:04:38,408 --> 00:04:39,805 -Was it a fight? 69 00:04:39,837 --> 00:04:41,898 (speaking in native language). 70 00:04:45,820 --> 00:04:49,608 -He say with AK47, not his spear, he use his AK47. 71 00:04:50,306 --> 00:04:52,800 -How does he feel about that? 72 00:04:53,465 --> 00:04:55,792 -He's happy because, he's a warrior you know, everybody afraid of him. 73 00:05:00,645 --> 00:05:04,434 MORGAN: John explains to me that there is tension between the young men who want to 74 00:05:04,466 --> 00:05:08,921 prove themselves and get married, and the elders, who want to end the killing. 75 00:05:10,084 --> 00:05:11,946 -People are losing their lives, people are dying. 76 00:05:12,643 --> 00:05:14,969 -Okay. -So the elders decided to have peace ceremony. 77 00:05:17,098 --> 00:05:21,585 -So now the elders have said that's enough, we gotta get together and stop this. 78 00:05:22,249 --> 00:05:25,107 -And make peace and bring people together. -So how does it work? 79 00:05:25,938 --> 00:05:27,568 What is the first thing? 80 00:05:27,601 --> 00:05:30,360 -So, the first thing is we give a message to the young warriors. 81 00:05:31,058 --> 00:05:34,182 Message is, tell the Nyangatom we want them to come to our village, 82 00:05:35,345 --> 00:05:37,506 we offer peace ceremony. 83 00:05:37,539 --> 00:05:39,899 If the time comes, the Nyangatom will come. 84 00:05:50,702 --> 00:05:54,357 -Is that them? -Yeah that's them. 85 00:06:02,734 --> 00:06:05,127 -Alright now, what are they doing? 86 00:06:05,161 --> 00:06:08,817 -Now the Dassanech elders, they are with a calabash full of clean water. 87 00:06:10,745 --> 00:06:14,534 They're there to bless them, welcome, welcome, welcome to our village. 88 00:06:14,567 --> 00:06:16,162 Welcome to our village. 89 00:06:16,195 --> 00:06:19,719 -Welcome, not blessing. -And they're washing the sins. 90 00:06:26,367 --> 00:06:29,492 MORGAN: To show their commitment to peace, the Dassanech sacrifice a cow, 91 00:06:30,755 --> 00:06:33,014 a valuable asset at the root of their conflict. 92 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,031 Both tribes will feast on the meat later but first, 93 00:06:39,064 --> 00:06:41,359 they must perform a ritual with the cow's innards. 94 00:06:43,817 --> 00:06:45,977 That's actually the stomach contents. 95 00:06:46,010 --> 00:06:48,770 Like, first stomach of a cow. 96 00:06:51,130 --> 00:06:54,752 The grassy stomach contents represent the contested grazing land. 97 00:06:56,348 --> 00:07:00,603 Smearing it on each other was a step towards being able to share this contested land. 98 00:07:01,765 --> 00:07:04,492 Now, the peace talks can begin. 99 00:07:08,114 --> 00:07:10,708 (speaking in native language). 100 00:07:10,740 --> 00:07:13,400 -He's saying that the last peace was spoiled by this tribe 101 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:14,763 because of their stealing. 102 00:07:14,795 --> 00:07:18,220 So, from now on we want to stop these kind of activities. 103 00:07:18,618 --> 00:07:20,313 May God support us. 104 00:07:20,347 --> 00:07:23,339 (speaking in native language). 105 00:07:24,369 --> 00:07:26,828 -So he's cursing, also the thieves. 106 00:07:31,515 --> 00:07:34,108 -And the people who are answering are saying something like, "amen." 107 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:36,666 -Amen, exactly. 108 00:07:37,564 --> 00:07:40,523 MORGAN: The elders persuade the young warriors that the cycle of cattle raiding 109 00:07:40,556 --> 00:07:42,617 and killing has hurt both tribes. 110 00:07:43,945 --> 00:07:47,036 But I want to ask the elders how confident they are in this new peace. 111 00:07:48,532 --> 00:07:51,293 -We have two people from different tribes, from Dassanech tribe is this elder. 112 00:07:52,256 --> 00:07:54,051 This elder is from Nyangatom. 113 00:07:54,083 --> 00:07:56,178 -Okay, when was the last time you had a peace ceremony? 114 00:07:57,673 --> 00:07:59,834 (speaking in native language). 115 00:08:03,956 --> 00:08:06,117 -Seven years ago. -Seven years ago? 116 00:08:06,150 --> 00:08:09,008 Do you expect it to last a long time? 117 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,396 (speaking in native language). 118 00:08:18,216 --> 00:08:21,705 -He is saying that when we are one, when we come together and we pray God, 119 00:08:22,204 --> 00:08:23,999 of course he will give us peace. 120 00:08:24,032 --> 00:08:26,425 -Of course. 121 00:08:28,553 --> 00:08:32,375 (speaking in native language). 122 00:08:34,668 --> 00:08:38,491 And I hope this peace lasts a long time, a long time. 123 00:08:43,543 --> 00:08:46,302 Thank you. 124 00:08:46,335 --> 00:08:51,089 As the ceremony ends, I notice a Nyangatom and a Dassanech elder leaving 125 00:08:51,122 --> 00:08:52,617 the village together. 126 00:08:52,650 --> 00:08:54,645 Where are those two men going? 127 00:08:54,678 --> 00:08:57,271 -They are going to bury a spear. 128 00:08:57,901 --> 00:09:01,591 They used to use the spear to kill each others, 129 00:09:01,624 --> 00:09:07,109 so we are brothers then why cannot we bury what we used to kill each others. 130 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,798 They are saying we are enough, enough is enough so no more conflict, 131 00:09:11,530 --> 00:09:13,192 no more war. 132 00:09:19,508 --> 00:09:23,130 -Since the dawn of society, people have waged war, 133 00:09:23,163 --> 00:09:26,720 primarily over limited resources. 134 00:09:26,753 --> 00:09:30,343 Where people live off the land and there is not enough good land to go around, 135 00:09:31,739 --> 00:09:34,331 war becomes an inevitable part of the cycle of life. 136 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,550 The best you can do is what the Dassanech and the Nyangatom are trying to do. 137 00:09:41,312 --> 00:09:44,270 Find a balance between war and peace. 138 00:09:54,342 --> 00:09:59,959 Around the world, we continue to fight over land, and other natural resources, 139 00:10:01,155 --> 00:10:04,280 as we have done for millennia. 140 00:10:04,313 --> 00:10:09,299 And, like the Ethiopian elders we long for peace, because of the horrors of battle. 141 00:10:11,393 --> 00:10:14,717 But technology is causing a fundamental shift in the balance of war and peace. 142 00:10:21,997 --> 00:10:25,453 Drone warfare means that soldiers don't have to be on the battlefield 143 00:10:25,485 --> 00:10:27,579 to engage in the fight. 144 00:10:28,911 --> 00:10:32,766 Over the past few decades, the United States has targeted more than 145 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,623 4,000 suspected terrorists in drone strikes. 146 00:10:37,818 --> 00:10:41,175 Those strikes have killed more than 6,600 people. 147 00:10:45,862 --> 00:10:49,019 But opponents see drones as a threat to peace. 148 00:10:50,947 --> 00:10:54,570 They believe drones lower the barrier to war and kill many more innocent 149 00:10:54,604 --> 00:10:57,295 civilians than officially reported. 150 00:10:58,726 --> 00:11:01,483 I'm meeting former US Air Force drone operator Brandon Bryant. 151 00:11:03,711 --> 00:11:05,805 He is a fierce critic of the American Drone Program. 152 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,389 -I have concerns about how the drone community operates. 153 00:11:11,422 --> 00:11:14,581 I think that there should be independent investigations and transparencies about the 154 00:11:14,614 --> 00:11:18,036 responsible use of any weapon systems capable of killing another human being. 155 00:11:22,558 --> 00:11:24,585 -I was a little kid during World War II. 156 00:11:27,045 --> 00:11:30,501 And following the end of the war of course, 157 00:11:30,967 --> 00:11:33,991 glory, bravery and patriotism, 158 00:11:37,216 --> 00:11:39,609 it's instilled in me and, where do I go? 159 00:11:40,673 --> 00:11:42,866 Air Force, how do you feel going in? 160 00:11:44,030 --> 00:11:46,954 -So when I joined the military I really did it, to serve my country. 161 00:11:48,750 --> 00:11:50,711 But when I got to the drone base I didn't know what I was doing, 162 00:11:50,743 --> 00:11:52,638 they didn't tell me anything until I got there. 163 00:11:53,669 --> 00:11:57,624 They put me in a small theater with about 25 other individuals and then they 164 00:11:57,658 --> 00:12:00,250 played a montage video of drone strikes. 165 00:12:05,768 --> 00:12:08,859 And Sergeant after it's done and he's standing at parade rest, 166 00:12:08,892 --> 00:12:10,886 he's like "your job is to kill people and break things," 167 00:12:11,918 --> 00:12:13,812 and I was just like "holy (bleep)." 168 00:12:13,845 --> 00:12:16,570 What am I doing? 169 00:12:17,734 --> 00:12:19,629 -What is it like flying a drone? 170 00:12:19,661 --> 00:12:22,852 -I was an MQ-1 Bravo Predator Sensor operator. 171 00:12:24,182 --> 00:12:26,642 So I control the camera and the missiles. 172 00:12:26,675 --> 00:12:28,504 Like that's my job. 173 00:12:28,536 --> 00:12:33,323 The pilot keeps the aircraft in the air and basically we support one another. 174 00:12:34,719 --> 00:12:36,812 If you look out the window actually, 175 00:12:36,846 --> 00:12:39,172 if you look down there that's kind of the same... 176 00:12:39,205 --> 00:12:42,164 paradigm view that we have. 177 00:12:42,197 --> 00:12:45,488 If there's a target to be attacked, they're like okay this is what's going on. 178 00:12:46,651 --> 00:12:49,143 You're gonna watch a person outside this guy's house. 179 00:12:49,176 --> 00:12:52,268 I mean you're just waiting for an opportunity for them to get into a location, 180 00:12:52,303 --> 00:12:54,096 you're gonna shoot em. 181 00:12:56,491 --> 00:12:58,418 -Do you know how many kills? 182 00:12:58,451 --> 00:13:04,268 -13 directly, my first shot it was at winter in the mountains of Afghanistan. 183 00:13:05,465 --> 00:13:07,293 I killed three people... 184 00:13:10,051 --> 00:13:14,006 two of them were obliterated into pieces and one of them, watched him bleed out and then 185 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,832 watched an infrared become the same color as the ground that he died on. 186 00:13:19,557 --> 00:13:23,547 -Is there remorse or there was like, consternation? 187 00:13:24,875 --> 00:13:26,704 -I'm sitting there like, I just watched a man bleed out. 188 00:13:27,667 --> 00:13:31,590 That felt horrible, I wanted to cry, I felt you know, you feel the 189 00:13:31,624 --> 00:13:33,784 "this is what I just did", the adrenaline rush. 190 00:13:34,216 --> 00:13:37,175 I mean, it was all sorts of weird, weird feelings. 191 00:13:42,957 --> 00:13:44,719 MORGAN: On one mission, 192 00:13:44,753 --> 00:13:46,912 Brandon was given the orders to strike a house. 193 00:13:49,340 --> 00:13:52,963 Right after firing the missile, he saw what he believed to be a small child 194 00:13:53,628 --> 00:13:55,887 walking into the structure. 195 00:13:56,154 --> 00:13:58,115 But it was too late to abort. 196 00:14:12,208 --> 00:14:15,565 MORGAN: Technology has shifted the delicate balance between war and peace 197 00:14:15,598 --> 00:14:17,692 many times in human history. 198 00:14:19,056 --> 00:14:24,274 But drones might be the biggest disruptors yet, making war possible at merely the 199 00:14:24,306 --> 00:14:29,956 push of a button and posing new moral dilemmas for soldiers thousands of miles 200 00:14:29,990 --> 00:14:32,749 from the battlefield. 201 00:14:32,782 --> 00:14:36,770 Air Force Drone operator Brandon Bryant is sure he killed an innocent child who 202 00:14:36,804 --> 00:14:39,597 walked into the strike zone he had just targeted. 203 00:14:44,814 --> 00:14:47,175 His superiors insisted he killed a dog. 204 00:14:48,803 --> 00:14:51,364 -You get into that position where you just don't feel like you have 205 00:14:51,396 --> 00:14:53,623 any power to change anything. 206 00:14:53,657 --> 00:14:56,748 I felt the helplessness and that is another sense of post-traumatic stress. 207 00:14:57,811 --> 00:15:02,398 I don't know how I survived it, mentally or spiritually it was hard. 208 00:15:02,731 --> 00:15:05,955 -Survivor's guilt. -Hmm, hmm. 209 00:15:06,785 --> 00:15:10,275 MORGAN: When Brandon left the Service after six years, he received a certificate. 210 00:15:12,337 --> 00:15:17,455 It stated that over 2,300 people had been killed due to intelligence gathered 211 00:15:17,489 --> 00:15:19,748 on his drone missions. 212 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,173 How did you feel when you saw that number? 213 00:15:23,206 --> 00:15:27,725 -Once I had that sheet, I recognized that the background noise in my dreams 214 00:15:28,358 --> 00:15:30,951 was a legion of ghosts. 215 00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:34,141 I was haunted by every tally mark on that piece of paper. 216 00:15:36,501 --> 00:15:39,725 It really hit home with how much we can know and how little we actually 217 00:15:39,758 --> 00:15:41,920 know of who these people are. 218 00:15:41,953 --> 00:15:43,647 Like they're just numbers. 219 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,908 They're just a tick on a database. 220 00:15:46,506 --> 00:15:50,096 MORGAN: Successive US administrations have maintained that drone missions 221 00:15:50,130 --> 00:15:52,489 are effective and reduce civilian deaths. 222 00:15:53,486 --> 00:15:55,214 -These strikes were legal. 223 00:15:55,247 --> 00:15:57,774 They are ethical and they are wise. 224 00:15:57,808 --> 00:16:01,863 MORGAN: But Brandon thinks America's increasing dependence on drones, 225 00:16:01,895 --> 00:16:05,119 is fundamentally changing our attitude to war. 226 00:16:06,216 --> 00:16:08,743 -You know I've heard all the justifications for doing what I've done. 227 00:16:09,506 --> 00:16:12,699 Maybe if it was used ethically or more responsibly, I could be okay with it. 228 00:16:14,094 --> 00:16:16,421 But we were just told our job is to kill people and break things, 229 00:16:16,854 --> 00:16:18,117 that's what we're going to do. 230 00:16:18,149 --> 00:16:20,809 And that doesn't sit well with me. 231 00:16:20,842 --> 00:16:24,332 -You think this is a worse way to fight a war than conventional warfare? 232 00:16:25,695 --> 00:16:28,221 -I think that we need to reassess how we're utilizing this technology. 233 00:16:29,317 --> 00:16:31,212 Cause it's so easily abused. 234 00:16:31,977 --> 00:16:35,500 You no longer need to train someone to go into combat, you just need to train someone 235 00:16:35,533 --> 00:16:38,957 to control a joystick and press the button, and take another person's life. 236 00:16:43,145 --> 00:16:44,973 MORGAN: Brandon thinks he's seen the future of war. 237 00:16:46,601 --> 00:16:48,730 And he doesn't like where it's headed. 238 00:16:49,892 --> 00:16:54,047 He dutifully completed thousands of hours of drone missions for the Air Force. 239 00:16:55,443 --> 00:16:57,570 But now, he has a new mission. 240 00:16:59,931 --> 00:17:04,118 He believes that by revealing the inner workings of the drone program, 241 00:17:06,279 --> 00:17:11,397 we can all come to understand the consequences of using such hi tech killing machines. 242 00:17:14,356 --> 00:17:18,345 With our ever growing population, and our ever developing technology, 243 00:17:20,704 --> 00:17:24,029 humanities long tradition of fighting over limited resources seems 244 00:17:24,061 --> 00:17:26,223 destined only to intensify. 245 00:17:32,271 --> 00:17:36,160 But I heard about an ancient ritual in South America that may offer a solution. 246 00:17:44,237 --> 00:17:47,994 Anthropologist Kate Centellas is traveling to the town of Macha, 247 00:17:49,423 --> 00:17:52,979 in the highlands of Bolivia to witness a celebration called Tinku. 248 00:17:55,805 --> 00:17:59,228 She's meeting Wilber Garnica Fajardo, a member of the Quechua, 249 00:18:00,192 --> 00:18:02,386 an indigenous Bolivian group. 250 00:18:04,713 --> 00:18:07,538 -Welcome to Macha. 251 00:18:07,571 --> 00:18:09,898 -I'm really glad to be in Macha because I've never seen Tinku 252 00:18:09,931 --> 00:18:11,858 and I've been studying Bolivia for a long time. 253 00:18:11,892 --> 00:18:13,986 Can you tell me a little bit about what's going on here today? 254 00:18:14,020 --> 00:18:16,446 -We are waiting for the big fiesta. 255 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,539 They will celebrate the end of the harvest. 256 00:18:19,338 --> 00:18:20,301 -And that's called Tinku? 257 00:18:20,335 --> 00:18:21,930 Is that right? 258 00:18:21,964 --> 00:18:25,287 -Tinku is part of this big party we have, every fourth of May. 259 00:18:29,974 --> 00:18:34,429 MORGAN: Approximately 3,000 people from 60 highland and lowland communities 260 00:18:34,461 --> 00:18:38,318 surrounding Macha travel to the town square to take part in the festival. 261 00:18:40,611 --> 00:18:45,230 It's a harvest celebration, and an act of thanksgiving to the mother goddess Pachamama. 262 00:18:46,727 --> 00:18:49,486 -For us, for the Andean people, Pachamama is Mother Earth. 263 00:18:50,915 --> 00:18:54,936 MORGAN: The day begins with music, ritualistic marching, dances, 264 00:18:56,233 --> 00:18:58,361 and plenty of chichi, 265 00:18:59,058 --> 00:19:00,787 a libation made from fermented corn. 266 00:19:03,347 --> 00:19:05,872 -It's like the end of the year for us, with the end of the harvest 267 00:19:06,239 --> 00:19:08,198 and we have a big explosion. 268 00:19:17,207 --> 00:19:20,231 MORGAN: The energy and excitement builds until, right on cue... 269 00:19:25,815 --> 00:19:27,842 fighting breaks out. 270 00:19:36,153 --> 00:19:39,244 MORGAN: Every year, on the fourth of May, a 271 00:19:39,277 --> 00:19:42,766 town square in the Bolivian highlands becomes a battlefield. 272 00:19:46,091 --> 00:19:50,644 Tinku is a ritual war in honor of the local Quechua people's mother goddess. 273 00:19:52,107 --> 00:19:54,600 -The Tinku has started, so there are fights one to one. 274 00:19:56,627 --> 00:19:59,686 If in this day you are bleeding, means you are giving to the Gods to Pachamama. 275 00:20:04,273 --> 00:20:06,035 -Are they really angry with each other? 276 00:20:06,068 --> 00:20:07,131 -No, not angry. 277 00:20:07,165 --> 00:20:09,823 They're 100% with a high emotion. 278 00:20:13,248 --> 00:20:15,541 -So how do they know who to fight? 279 00:20:15,574 --> 00:20:19,828 -Always between a guy from the lowlands, against a guy from the highlands. 280 00:20:27,871 --> 00:20:30,265 MORGAN: Tinku is a blood offering to Pachamama. 281 00:20:31,496 --> 00:20:33,622 But it also has a more practical function. 282 00:20:35,617 --> 00:20:39,040 It's a release of aggression between rival groups that might otherwise get into 283 00:20:39,074 --> 00:20:41,168 deadly disputes over land. 284 00:20:48,380 --> 00:20:51,737 -And so how do they know when it's done, when a Tinku is done? 285 00:20:52,601 --> 00:20:54,530 -They get exhausted, or someone is bleeding. 286 00:20:56,524 --> 00:20:58,252 In that case they stop. 287 00:21:01,410 --> 00:21:04,933 MORGAN: As the day and the drinking go on, larger groups start to brawl. 288 00:21:06,728 --> 00:21:10,418 Eventually, the police step in, firing tear gas to stop the Tinku 289 00:21:10,850 --> 00:21:13,177 from getting out of control. 290 00:21:14,905 --> 00:21:17,131 -So, there was a lot of aggression out there and it, it looked really chaotic and 291 00:21:17,165 --> 00:21:19,093 there was a lot of violence. 292 00:21:19,126 --> 00:21:22,151 Do you think that that helps the communities maintain peace between one another, 293 00:21:23,015 --> 00:21:24,012 over the year? 294 00:21:24,046 --> 00:21:25,907 -Yes of course. 295 00:21:25,941 --> 00:21:30,759 If they don't have the Tinku, they go out, without liberating their energy. 296 00:21:31,989 --> 00:21:35,280 So today, people return back to home satisfied. 297 00:21:37,274 --> 00:21:41,163 -And that helps prevent these other uncontrolled acts of violence in some ways? 298 00:21:41,396 --> 00:21:43,456 -Yeah, yeah, yeah, it helps yes. 299 00:21:46,116 --> 00:21:48,242 -Tinku may sound brutal. 300 00:21:49,439 --> 00:21:51,434 Violence for violence sake. 301 00:21:51,900 --> 00:21:54,126 But it gives the Quechua a way to work with human nature. 302 00:21:56,055 --> 00:21:59,445 It provides an outlet for the aggressions that build up inside all of us. 303 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,201 I think it's pretty ingenious. 304 00:22:05,062 --> 00:22:09,383 Instead of letting tensions boil over into all-out war, once a year, 305 00:22:10,879 --> 00:22:13,538 they get it out of their system. 306 00:22:15,964 --> 00:22:18,790 Could the Quechua model for keeping the peace work elsewhere? 307 00:22:20,984 --> 00:22:24,973 Sadly, the gulf between warring factions in many parts of the world seems too great. 308 00:22:26,601 --> 00:22:29,492 Their only apparent pathway to peace is segregation. 309 00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:40,394 I'm on my way to Belfast, to Northern Ireland. 310 00:22:42,488 --> 00:22:45,714 For hundreds of years Ireland has been ground zero in a struggle of loyalties to 311 00:22:45,746 --> 00:22:48,239 religion and nation. 312 00:22:49,636 --> 00:22:53,257 On the one side, Catholics, who want to join the Republic of Ireland. 313 00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:58,842 On the other, Protestants, loyal to the United Kingdom. 314 00:23:00,503 --> 00:23:04,859 Between 1968 and 1998, in a period known as "The Troubles," 315 00:23:06,055 --> 00:23:08,348 more than 3,000 people were killed. 316 00:23:11,540 --> 00:23:15,861 To stem the terrible violence of the troubles, over 100 walls like this were put up 317 00:23:15,894 --> 00:23:19,882 across Northern Ireland, segregating Catholic and Protestant neighborhoods. 318 00:23:21,545 --> 00:23:23,971 When the war ended in 1998 the walls remained. 319 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,522 Warring sides divided brought an end to war but, is that the same as peace? 320 00:23:32,745 --> 00:23:36,003 I'm meeting a man who has lived his whole life in the shadow of one of these walls. 321 00:23:37,433 --> 00:23:40,124 His name is Daniel Walsh. 322 00:23:40,158 --> 00:23:42,418 -Hi Morgan nice to meet ya. -Hi, Daniel, how are you man? 323 00:23:42,452 --> 00:23:44,279 -Yeah, all good, yeah. -That's great. 324 00:23:44,312 --> 00:23:46,041 So this is the peace wall? 325 00:23:46,075 --> 00:23:48,933 -This is what's known as the interface, between the two communities. 326 00:23:49,532 --> 00:23:51,260 -Interface between the Protestants and the Catholics? 327 00:23:51,292 --> 00:23:52,689 -And the Catholics, yes. 328 00:23:52,723 --> 00:23:54,484 -And which side of the wall are we on now? 329 00:23:54,517 --> 00:23:56,844 -We're on the national side, the Catholic side. 330 00:23:56,877 --> 00:23:58,540 -The Catholic side, the National side. 331 00:23:58,572 --> 00:24:01,330 So, you've never not known this wall? 332 00:24:02,429 --> 00:24:04,290 -It's all I've known. 333 00:24:04,322 --> 00:24:06,384 -It is put up for protection? -Yes. 334 00:24:06,417 --> 00:24:09,342 -To protect you or from them, or them from you? 335 00:24:09,376 --> 00:24:10,771 -You could say from both. 336 00:24:10,804 --> 00:24:12,266 It's not all one sided. 337 00:24:12,299 --> 00:24:14,494 -But is there much violence that goes on now? 338 00:24:14,527 --> 00:24:17,785 -There were attacks ranging from golf balls to glass bottles 339 00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:20,942 paint bombs around here. 340 00:24:20,975 --> 00:24:23,336 There was one time where my one year old son, 341 00:24:23,369 --> 00:24:24,997 brought him out to the door for some fresh air and 342 00:24:25,031 --> 00:24:27,325 we were standing here and I had him in me arms. 343 00:24:27,357 --> 00:24:30,416 And there was a guy across the street who is not my biggest fan. 344 00:24:31,678 --> 00:24:33,572 -Across the street in one of those windows or? 345 00:24:33,606 --> 00:24:35,601 -Yeah, he had a clear view of myself and my son. 346 00:24:35,634 --> 00:24:37,362 A few minutes later he had a large piece of masonry, 347 00:24:37,396 --> 00:24:39,622 had come over and just bounced off my roof there. 348 00:24:41,385 --> 00:24:44,076 And it landed not too far away from me with the intent of doing some damage 349 00:24:44,109 --> 00:24:46,237 to myself or my son. 350 00:24:46,270 --> 00:24:48,763 And luckily it landed you know, away from us. 351 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:54,580 MORGAN: Daniel got tired of the simmering conflict. 352 00:24:55,843 --> 00:24:58,635 So he enrolled in a program that put together people living 353 00:24:58,668 --> 00:25:00,397 on opposite sides of the walls. 354 00:25:01,859 --> 00:25:04,052 He has struck a friendship with a Protestant woman, 355 00:25:05,316 --> 00:25:08,341 something that is not only rare, but even dangerous in Northern Ireland. 356 00:25:09,868 --> 00:25:12,528 I don't know your name. 357 00:25:12,561 --> 00:25:15,354 I'm not gonna show your face. 358 00:25:15,388 --> 00:25:17,315 And I'm disguising your voice. 359 00:25:17,348 --> 00:25:20,207 -Yep. -Why is that? 360 00:25:22,832 --> 00:25:26,123 -Some people don't like the idea of Protestant and Catholic being together. 361 00:25:27,952 --> 00:25:31,773 And they've seen that I got too friendly with the Catholic people. 362 00:25:33,104 --> 00:25:35,663 They came to my house and threatened me, I was homeless for six months, 363 00:25:36,129 --> 00:25:38,454 I had to move. 364 00:25:38,488 --> 00:25:40,515 -This isn't a couple of neighbors coming round and saying we're 365 00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:41,845 not happy with this. 366 00:25:41,878 --> 00:25:46,631 This is sinister people with violence in their mind. 367 00:25:48,127 --> 00:25:51,684 -Do you think you could have been seriously harmed? -Yes. 368 00:25:51,717 --> 00:25:53,678 -Just by having a Catholic friend? -Yes. 369 00:25:55,673 --> 00:25:58,232 -Tell me about who you are yourself? 370 00:25:58,265 --> 00:25:59,992 As much as you can? 371 00:26:00,027 --> 00:26:01,921 -I'm a Protestant. 372 00:26:03,849 --> 00:26:06,077 I was 11 year old when the trouble started. 373 00:26:08,370 --> 00:26:12,823 I've seen a few people being shot and another person, his head was blown off. 374 00:26:14,220 --> 00:26:16,215 It was very, very hard growing up in those days. 375 00:26:17,311 --> 00:26:19,339 -What did you think about Catholics? 376 00:26:20,369 --> 00:26:22,828 -When I was young I never liked them because, I never really knew them. 377 00:26:24,357 --> 00:26:26,319 -What about you Daniel? 378 00:26:26,352 --> 00:26:29,576 Did you grow up with an idea about Protestants? 379 00:26:29,609 --> 00:26:34,296 -They were, not so much the enemy but, they certainly weren't your friend. 380 00:26:37,121 --> 00:26:42,074 -The Good Friday Accord signed in 1998 to all intents and purposes, 381 00:26:43,801 --> 00:26:47,558 that would end the violence between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland. 382 00:26:49,220 --> 00:26:51,248 But it didn't. 383 00:26:51,845 --> 00:26:53,142 -Why do you think it didn't? 384 00:26:53,175 --> 00:26:55,203 -That should have been it. 385 00:26:55,236 --> 00:26:59,225 But you still have elements who don't want to be seen as giving in to the other side. 386 00:27:00,090 --> 00:27:06,205 -There was families that their loved ones was murdered through the troubles and it's 387 00:27:06,237 --> 00:27:08,831 harder for them to forgive. 388 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,917 -The Good Friday Agreement was a nice idea um, on paper. 389 00:27:13,951 --> 00:27:17,771 But totally left behind were the people in the communities who were suffering 390 00:27:17,805 --> 00:27:19,599 and are still suffering. 391 00:27:19,633 --> 00:27:22,426 There was no effort at all to bring those people together. 392 00:27:23,323 --> 00:27:26,081 -What do you hope for Ireland? 393 00:27:26,913 --> 00:27:30,435 -Well it's education and having both communities being, 394 00:27:30,469 --> 00:27:33,494 and working together from the very outset of life. 395 00:27:35,222 --> 00:27:37,682 It's much, much harder as adults to bring people together when they're 396 00:27:37,715 --> 00:27:40,441 brainwashed to think a certain way. 397 00:27:40,474 --> 00:27:42,868 -Catholic and Protestant are not enemies. 398 00:27:43,931 --> 00:27:46,557 We're human. 399 00:27:47,221 --> 00:27:51,908 -Well I can see that that would be a big wish, from both of your sides. 400 00:27:53,437 --> 00:27:55,033 I want to thank you both very, very much. 401 00:27:55,732 --> 00:27:57,692 Particularly you. 402 00:27:57,726 --> 00:27:59,353 -Thank you. -I hope we're not blowing your cover. 403 00:28:04,571 --> 00:28:07,331 Robert Frost wrote "good fences make good neighbors." 404 00:28:08,795 --> 00:28:11,951 But I don't think he was imagining a 30 foot barricade. 405 00:28:14,644 --> 00:28:17,303 Daniel's house was attacked. 406 00:28:17,335 --> 00:28:20,127 His Protestant friend fled her home. 407 00:28:21,790 --> 00:28:27,906 But, as long as there are people like them, people who dare to cross the 408 00:28:28,770 --> 00:28:31,230 divide I believe, there is hope for peace. 409 00:28:33,324 --> 00:28:36,149 I think their simple act of friendship, and others like it, 410 00:28:38,143 --> 00:28:40,903 will eventually tear down this wall. 411 00:28:45,024 --> 00:28:49,212 Northern Ireland isn't alone in equating the separation of warring sides with peace. 412 00:28:51,872 --> 00:28:54,531 This uneasy form of peace exists even where there are no walls. 413 00:28:56,524 --> 00:28:59,815 For decades, we've maintained global peace by the threat of a war 414 00:28:59,848 --> 00:29:02,341 that would destroy us all. 415 00:29:02,373 --> 00:29:04,635 But can this nuclear peace last? 416 00:29:16,601 --> 00:29:19,593 MORGAN: I went to a school like this back in the 50s. 417 00:29:20,755 --> 00:29:23,281 The dawn of the Cold War. 418 00:29:24,013 --> 00:29:27,170 Back then, children all over the country were taught "duck and cover" drills. 419 00:29:29,298 --> 00:29:32,888 As if hiding under your desk would protect you from a nuclear attack. 420 00:29:34,550 --> 00:29:36,445 Well thankfully, the bombs never came. 421 00:29:38,472 --> 00:29:42,394 Many did say that that's because, nuclear weapons were entirely too destructive. 422 00:29:44,255 --> 00:29:46,915 The threat of total annihilation kept global peace. 423 00:29:49,108 --> 00:29:51,335 And it worked during the Cold War. 424 00:29:52,664 --> 00:29:54,759 But how long will it keep working? 425 00:29:58,083 --> 00:30:02,769 To answer that question, I'm traveling to London to meet Nobel Peace Prize winner, 426 00:30:02,802 --> 00:30:05,062 Doctor Mohammed ElBaradei. 427 00:30:07,223 --> 00:30:10,082 As the Director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 428 00:30:10,115 --> 00:30:13,937 he was responsible for UN nuclear weapons inspections. 429 00:30:15,666 --> 00:30:19,687 This included determining whether Iraq had nuclear weapons in 2003. 430 00:30:21,915 --> 00:30:26,535 -We have to date found no evidence that Iraq has revived its nuclear weapon program 431 00:30:26,568 --> 00:30:29,094 since the elimination of the program in the 1990s. 432 00:30:31,121 --> 00:30:34,612 MORGAN: We decided to meet for our discussion of global brinkmanship at 433 00:30:34,645 --> 00:30:37,902 Bellerby and Company, a maker of hand crafted globes. 434 00:30:39,299 --> 00:30:44,750 Could you just show me, how many countries we know, 435 00:30:45,082 --> 00:30:47,243 have nuclear weapons? 436 00:30:47,276 --> 00:30:50,534 -We have nine for sure. -Yeah. 437 00:30:50,566 --> 00:30:52,827 -We have the United States. -Hmm, hmm. 438 00:30:52,860 --> 00:30:55,286 -Then, Russia. 439 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,746 Together they have 90% of the nuclear weapons. 440 00:30:58,643 --> 00:30:59,939 90%. 441 00:30:59,973 --> 00:31:01,103 -These two... 442 00:31:01,136 --> 00:31:03,629 -And then, United Kingdom, France. 443 00:31:03,662 --> 00:31:05,524 And then we go to China. 444 00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:09,380 India, Pakistan, then Israel. 445 00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:11,972 -Israel. -North Korea. 446 00:31:12,005 --> 00:31:15,927 So these are the nine we know for sure they have nuclear weapons. 447 00:31:17,191 --> 00:31:20,748 We have two or three we have discovered who were cheating, you know like Iraq and Libya. 448 00:31:21,944 --> 00:31:24,437 You know unfortunately, they try to do what the big boys do. 449 00:31:25,998 --> 00:31:28,193 Which is develop this horrible weapons. 450 00:31:28,227 --> 00:31:30,453 -Get a big stick. -Absolutely. 451 00:31:34,907 --> 00:31:39,560 -Now there are some politicians, generals, 452 00:31:41,554 --> 00:31:46,905 who will say that we are ultimately safer in the world because of nuclear weapons. 453 00:31:48,502 --> 00:31:50,696 Nobody dares use them. 454 00:31:52,192 --> 00:31:56,745 -The risk that they will be used through miscalculation, through human error. 455 00:31:57,675 --> 00:32:00,037 Through unauthorized use. 456 00:32:00,069 --> 00:32:02,628 Through extremists getting their hand on a nuclear weapon, 457 00:32:03,725 --> 00:32:05,951 is higher by the day. 458 00:32:05,985 --> 00:32:09,542 -What are the odds of us surviving as we are with the nuclear weapons? 459 00:32:11,205 --> 00:32:15,026 -Bill Perry, Secretary of Defense of the US said to this day, 460 00:32:16,521 --> 00:32:20,378 that we manage to avoid nuclear catastrophe by 461 00:32:20,411 --> 00:32:22,903 good luck rather than good management. 462 00:32:23,968 --> 00:32:27,458 We might be able to make it five, ten, 20 years, you know. 463 00:32:28,155 --> 00:32:29,584 -But eventually... 464 00:32:29,618 --> 00:32:32,443 -But eventually, chickens are coming home to roost. 465 00:32:37,395 --> 00:32:41,683 -Mohamed spent his career trying to stave off one nuclear escalation after another. 466 00:32:43,711 --> 00:32:46,869 But he retains a glimmer of hope for peace. 467 00:32:48,265 --> 00:32:50,924 Ever since the beginning of mankind, we've been at war. 468 00:32:51,921 --> 00:32:53,417 Biblically there's Cain and Abel. 469 00:32:54,214 --> 00:32:56,143 Do you think we'll ever be able to overcome that part of our 470 00:32:56,176 --> 00:33:01,561 genetic structure that makes us, war like? 471 00:33:02,722 --> 00:33:05,183 -I have to believe that we can. 472 00:33:05,217 --> 00:33:09,304 You know I have to believe in the goodness of human spirit you know. 473 00:33:10,102 --> 00:33:12,296 -The interconnectivity that we have today due to technology, 474 00:33:13,128 --> 00:33:15,088 isn't that going to be of some use to us? 475 00:33:15,122 --> 00:33:16,318 -I think so. 476 00:33:16,351 --> 00:33:18,479 We have to talk to each other. 477 00:33:18,512 --> 00:33:20,906 We have to educate each other. 478 00:33:20,938 --> 00:33:23,464 We have to understand each other. 479 00:33:23,498 --> 00:33:26,756 If I look at young people now, you know, I have hope you know. 480 00:33:27,453 --> 00:33:32,738 They are color blind, religious blind, ethnic blind, that they would treat each 481 00:33:32,773 --> 00:33:35,764 other as part of the same human family. 482 00:33:36,626 --> 00:33:42,244 That if somebody dies in Darfur, I will react the same way if somebody dies in LA. 483 00:33:43,407 --> 00:33:45,735 The same day we will end nuclear weapons. 484 00:33:46,665 --> 00:33:48,826 -I'm in agreement, thank you so much. 485 00:33:48,859 --> 00:33:50,721 -Thanks, thanks a lot. 486 00:33:54,642 --> 00:33:58,498 -I find Dr. ElBaradei's perspective on nuclear conflict very sobering. 487 00:34:01,191 --> 00:34:05,379 We are only here because of good luck, not good management. 488 00:34:07,273 --> 00:34:12,658 But, Mohammed has hope, that our children and their children will bring 489 00:34:12,691 --> 00:34:15,316 about fundamental change. 490 00:34:15,350 --> 00:34:18,275 That they will create a world, not of fear and oppression. 491 00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:22,630 But of hope and dignity. 492 00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:28,247 A world where borders don't exist, I share that hope. 493 00:34:33,864 --> 00:34:38,019 But how do we make this monumental transition from war to peace? 494 00:34:49,155 --> 00:34:51,880 If there's one place on earth that might serve as a test case, 495 00:34:53,342 --> 00:34:55,503 it's Rwanda. 496 00:34:56,201 --> 00:34:59,957 Just over two decades ago, a horrifying genocide took place here. 497 00:35:03,048 --> 00:35:08,001 On April 6th, 1994, Rwandan President Juvenal Habyarimana 498 00:35:08,533 --> 00:35:10,759 was killed when his plane was shot down. 499 00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:16,975 This event added fuel to the long simmering tension between the country's 500 00:35:17,008 --> 00:35:20,598 two major ethnic groups, the Hutus and the Tutsis. 501 00:35:22,127 --> 00:35:24,587 The majority of Hutus blamed the death of the Hutu president 502 00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:26,381 on the minority Tutsis. 503 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,594 The ensuing conflict lasted only 100 days, but it claimed a million lives, 504 00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:36,620 one tenth of the population. 505 00:35:41,007 --> 00:35:43,899 The genocide ended when Tutsi General Paul Kagame's 506 00:35:43,931 --> 00:35:46,823 rebel forces seized the capital Kigali. 507 00:35:48,252 --> 00:35:52,640 Six years later, Kagame was elected President, an office he still holds. 508 00:35:54,701 --> 00:35:57,726 And today, more than two decades on from the genocide, 509 00:35:58,822 --> 00:36:01,681 there has been no return to violence. 510 00:36:01,714 --> 00:36:03,509 I want to understand why? 511 00:36:04,341 --> 00:36:06,766 And the President agreed to talk to me. 512 00:36:07,796 --> 00:36:12,617 During the genocide, Hutus systematically attacked the Tutsis. 513 00:36:14,245 --> 00:36:19,064 You're seeing a lot of the murders and atrocities that had 514 00:36:19,098 --> 00:36:21,657 been committed against the Tutsis. 515 00:36:23,985 --> 00:36:27,541 Didn't make you wanna do just a little revenge? 516 00:36:29,403 --> 00:36:35,418 -It caused a lot of anger against those who are doing it, absolutely. 517 00:36:37,014 --> 00:36:43,463 I wouldn't call it revenge as such but, it was driving me to 518 00:36:43,495 --> 00:36:45,888 say how fast can we rein these people in? 519 00:36:51,174 --> 00:36:57,223 -Do you think that justice and revenge are different? -They're different. 520 00:36:59,616 --> 00:37:03,937 They are different and in fact revenge may be justified, 521 00:37:03,971 --> 00:37:06,630 but it is not justice. 522 00:37:06,663 --> 00:37:09,055 Justice is something else. 523 00:37:09,089 --> 00:37:13,510 Justice allows the aggrieved parties to get along. 524 00:37:14,507 --> 00:37:17,399 While revenge doesn't allow you to move on. 525 00:37:17,963 --> 00:37:21,155 It only allows and cause more revenge to happen. 526 00:37:21,953 --> 00:37:24,413 And then you are in a vicious circle. 527 00:37:26,906 --> 00:37:31,891 -Now you're making this argument in spite of your own family losses? 528 00:37:32,523 --> 00:37:33,885 -Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 529 00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:36,678 Many, many family members lost, absolutely. 530 00:37:38,705 --> 00:37:42,694 MORGAN: When Kagame became President in 2000 he began a nationwide program of 531 00:37:42,726 --> 00:37:45,353 reconciliation to try to heal the wounds of genocide. 532 00:37:47,049 --> 00:37:49,839 Well, you go right to work on reconciliation. 533 00:37:51,037 --> 00:37:53,296 -Right. -That had not happened before you? 534 00:37:53,330 --> 00:37:59,446 -We knew it would go nowhere unless we reversed the politics of hatred and... 535 00:37:59,479 --> 00:38:02,868 -Separation. -Separation and division and so on. 536 00:38:03,601 --> 00:38:05,927 So let's try something else. 537 00:38:06,493 --> 00:38:11,412 So let's agree that, irrespective of our differences, we can get along, 538 00:38:12,342 --> 00:38:15,135 we can work together. 539 00:38:15,169 --> 00:38:21,750 -Alright you teach the population how to forgive, overcome the idea of revenge. 540 00:38:22,779 --> 00:38:24,607 How do you go about doing that? 541 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,294 -We must do something that allows people to build and hopeful for the future. 542 00:38:30,557 --> 00:38:33,449 We went to the homes of our citizens. 543 00:38:34,513 --> 00:38:37,737 And reconciliation was kind of a conversation, it was a discussion. 544 00:38:38,501 --> 00:38:41,925 Look, we have a lot of places to point fingers, but that doesn't help. 545 00:38:44,086 --> 00:38:47,741 What helps is confronting this situation as we should. 546 00:38:54,621 --> 00:38:58,246 MORGAN: President Kagame's bold efforts to bring peace to Rwanda have included 547 00:38:58,278 --> 00:39:02,633 limiting freedom of speech and the press and suppressing political opponents. 548 00:39:05,790 --> 00:39:09,414 But I'm told his reconciliation program has touched the lives 549 00:39:09,447 --> 00:39:11,009 of millions of Rwandans. 550 00:39:12,006 --> 00:39:13,802 I want to meet some of them. 551 00:39:14,664 --> 00:39:18,587 I was connected with Mariya Izagiriza and Filbert Ntezirizaza, 552 00:39:20,315 --> 00:39:23,573 who were introduced several years ago by Bishop Deo Gashagaza. 553 00:39:25,568 --> 00:39:27,961 I'm meeting them at the Kigali Genocide Memorial. 554 00:39:31,616 --> 00:39:33,577 Tutsi. 555 00:39:33,611 --> 00:39:34,807 Hutu. 556 00:39:34,842 --> 00:39:35,838 -Yes. 557 00:39:35,872 --> 00:39:38,165 -Filbert, Mariya, see I know all that. 558 00:39:40,259 --> 00:39:45,677 So, I would like you Mariya to tell me as much as you can remember, 559 00:39:47,073 --> 00:39:52,890 about what happened to you in 1994? 560 00:39:54,984 --> 00:39:57,542 (speaking in native language). 561 00:40:15,925 --> 00:40:18,417 MORGAN: As they fled from the killers Mariya's family got separated. 562 00:40:20,145 --> 00:40:23,104 Her husband and brother-in-law ran off with two of their sons. 563 00:40:24,899 --> 00:40:28,222 Mariya took her infant daughter, young son and her step daughter. 564 00:40:35,834 --> 00:40:36,965 -You ran and hid? 565 00:40:36,998 --> 00:40:38,826 You hid in the bushes, is that right? 566 00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:41,153 -Yes. 567 00:40:41,185 --> 00:40:44,576 MORGAN: Mariya spent five days in the bush, with the children before they escaped. 568 00:40:46,637 --> 00:40:50,060 They walked for a week until they made it to safety, in neighboring Burundi. 569 00:40:52,154 --> 00:40:55,811 Did you ever see your husband and family again? 570 00:40:56,774 --> 00:40:59,301 (speaking in native language). 571 00:41:06,746 --> 00:41:10,136 Filbert, what do you know about her husband children? 572 00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:13,892 (speaking in native language). 573 00:41:35,399 --> 00:41:38,821 -The genocide in Rwanda in 1994 shocked the world. 574 00:41:40,683 --> 00:41:44,007 But the outbursts of murder was the result of decades of divisive politics 575 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,769 in the country. 576 00:41:45,802 --> 00:41:49,658 People had been indoctrinated to believe that Hutus and Tutsis, 577 00:41:49,691 --> 00:41:51,951 were natural enemies. 578 00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:56,272 Filbert, a Hutu was involved with a group that killed Mariya's husband and sons, 579 00:41:57,269 --> 00:41:59,131 who were Tutsis. 580 00:41:59,164 --> 00:42:01,589 -Filbert killed her relatives? -Yes. 581 00:42:01,624 --> 00:42:05,613 (speaking in native language). 582 00:42:16,747 --> 00:42:19,240 MORGAN: Filbert joined a local Hutu militia. 583 00:42:20,968 --> 00:42:25,057 Along with nine other men, he set up an ambush near Mariya's village to catch Tutsis 584 00:42:25,090 --> 00:42:27,251 fleeing from the violence. 585 00:42:29,942 --> 00:42:33,166 They captured Mariya's husband, brother-in-law, and the two boys. 586 00:42:34,928 --> 00:42:37,754 They took them to a quarry, and threw them to their deaths. 587 00:42:49,454 --> 00:42:51,880 -How does it happen that the two of you are together? 588 00:43:15,812 --> 00:43:20,399 -Filbert came to you, to ask forgiveness. 589 00:43:22,294 --> 00:43:23,988 Is that so? 590 00:43:24,022 --> 00:43:27,181 (speaking in native language). 591 00:43:46,525 --> 00:43:49,052 -So it sounds like we're talking about forgiveness here. 592 00:43:51,212 --> 00:43:54,535 But, was it like that? 593 00:44:02,645 --> 00:44:04,108 -Two years? -Yes. 594 00:44:04,141 --> 00:44:06,269 -Here we are today, what do we have? 595 00:44:06,302 --> 00:44:08,462 (speaking in native language). 596 00:44:13,083 --> 00:44:14,910 -She smiles. 597 00:44:14,945 --> 00:44:17,769 (speaking in native language). 598 00:44:29,702 --> 00:44:31,231 -Same with you? 599 00:44:37,845 --> 00:44:41,335 -On the one hand, awful. 600 00:44:41,369 --> 00:44:44,293 And on the other hand it is a wonderful story. 601 00:44:45,657 --> 00:44:48,183 It gives hope to all mankind. 602 00:44:49,945 --> 00:44:53,435 (singing in native language) 603 00:44:58,321 --> 00:45:01,278 Mariya and Filbert now live as neighbors in a specially created 604 00:45:01,313 --> 00:45:04,137 reconciliation village. 605 00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:08,624 It's a place designed to forge real bonds between victims and perpetrators of the genocide. 606 00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:14,907 Filbert helps Mariya with her farm, and they spend time together, as friends. 607 00:45:18,962 --> 00:45:23,349 Walking around the genocide memorial makes me realize the enormous human toll 608 00:45:23,382 --> 00:45:25,709 of this conflict. 609 00:45:25,744 --> 00:45:29,564 And that there are hundreds of thousands of stories like Mariya, and Filbert's. 610 00:45:32,191 --> 00:45:34,684 What happened in Rwanda is one of humanity's great tragedies. 611 00:45:35,748 --> 00:45:38,074 It is also a source of great hope. 612 00:45:39,237 --> 00:45:42,528 A country can recover from civil war. 613 00:45:42,561 --> 00:45:45,619 People can reconcile, even after genocide. 614 00:45:47,347 --> 00:45:50,705 Forgiveness, that takes great sacrifice and courage. 615 00:45:52,167 --> 00:45:54,062 From the President. 616 00:45:54,096 --> 00:46:00,011 From Mariya and Filbert, and the millions of others, who put aside revenge, 617 00:46:01,441 --> 00:46:02,937 to embrace peace. 618 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,076 War has been around ever since we've had to share resources like, 619 00:46:12,111 --> 00:46:16,364 land, food, water. 620 00:46:17,928 --> 00:46:20,088 I don't think the end of war is imminent. 621 00:46:21,450 --> 00:46:23,911 But what I've learned from the remarkable people that I have met, 622 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,766 is that we have to get better at making peace. 623 00:46:29,528 --> 00:46:33,316 When the bloodshed ends, and the dust settles over shattered homes, 624 00:46:34,347 --> 00:46:36,143 we must do everything we can to resist taking revenge, 625 00:46:37,205 --> 00:46:41,528 and instead search for our own humanity. 626 00:46:41,561 --> 00:46:47,343 After all, we are the species that thrives on cooperation. 627 00:46:47,376 --> 00:46:51,100 It's what we've always done best. 628 00:46:51,532 --> 00:46:52,761 Captioned by Cotter Captioning Services. 55711

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