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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,970 --> 00:00:02,561 Previously on Proven Innocent... 2 00:00:02,639 --> 00:00:04,305 MADELINE: If someone needs our help, we don't give a damn 3 00:00:04,307 --> 00:00:05,397 where they come from. 4 00:00:05,475 --> 00:00:07,141 We believe the justice system is flawed. 5 00:00:07,143 --> 00:00:09,401 - BELLOWS: The hell's going on? - Ah, there he is. 6 00:00:09,462 --> 00:00:11,737 Mr. Bellows. Noah Weiss, campaign strategist. 7 00:00:11,756 --> 00:00:13,834 We're gonna need to change the entire structure of the campaign. 8 00:00:13,835 --> 00:00:16,404 - This is ridiculous. - You think that you're there for me, but really, 9 00:00:16,428 --> 00:00:19,170 - you just show up when you want to be the hero. - I do not. 10 00:00:19,264 --> 00:00:21,150 I don't need you saving me anymore. I'm fine on my own. 11 00:00:21,174 --> 00:00:23,841 ISABEL: Offer a deal that sends Levi Scott 12 00:00:23,959 --> 00:00:25,562 to anger management counseling. I'll do the rest. 13 00:00:25,586 --> 00:00:27,252 - And you can get him to talk? - Of course. 14 00:00:27,272 --> 00:00:28,872 If this was speed dating, I'd be into it. 15 00:00:31,434 --> 00:00:33,609 ♪ ♪ 16 00:00:34,946 --> 00:00:36,353 ♪ Be it ♪ 17 00:00:36,472 --> 00:00:38,522 ♪ Express it ♪ 18 00:00:38,641 --> 00:00:41,676 ♪ Be it, express it... ♪ 19 00:00:41,678 --> 00:00:43,360 Man, this place is rocking. 20 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,621 Really makes me rethink my lifestyle choices. 21 00:00:45,698 --> 00:00:48,124 (LAUGHS) Being gay is not a choice, Bodie. 22 00:00:48,317 --> 00:00:50,701 - It is if you love Fox News. - (LAUGHS) 23 00:00:50,820 --> 00:00:52,660 Ladies! I don't know how you're pulling it off, 24 00:00:52,730 --> 00:00:55,781 but you are absolutely killing it. 25 00:00:55,899 --> 00:00:59,043 Oh, baby, there ain't no pulling anything off. We tuck it in. 26 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,472 - (LAUGHTER) - Do you happen to know where... 27 00:01:00,496 --> 00:01:03,289 Oh, my God. Madeline? Madeline Scott, is that you? 28 00:01:03,383 --> 00:01:05,291 Your trial was the biggest thing around here. 29 00:01:05,385 --> 00:01:07,029 We cheered so loud when you got out of prison. 30 00:01:07,053 --> 00:01:08,305 We cried, girl. 31 00:01:08,306 --> 00:01:10,306 - We even had a Madeline Scott night. - At our bar. 32 00:01:10,331 --> 00:01:12,051 DRAG QUEEN: Everybody came dressed like you. 33 00:01:12,082 --> 00:01:13,616 - She even wore your hair. - MADELINE: You do have my hair. 34 00:01:13,618 --> 00:01:15,284 - It's kind of amazing. - I do have your hair. 35 00:01:15,286 --> 00:01:16,532 - You're amazing. - What are you doing here, mama? 36 00:01:16,533 --> 00:01:19,622 I'm looking for a law firm. Do you know where Watts & Watts is? 37 00:01:19,649 --> 00:01:20,900 Loca, that's right down the street 38 00:01:20,924 --> 00:01:22,458 and go right around the corner. 39 00:01:22,460 --> 00:01:24,755 - Perfect, thank you so much. - Oh, no, baby. Where you going? 40 00:01:24,779 --> 00:01:26,629 - Oh... - Get your phone out. We need a selfie. 41 00:01:26,631 --> 00:01:28,241 - Get in here. - Girl, no one's gonna believe us. 42 00:01:28,265 --> 00:01:29,593 We say three, you're gonna smile, say "yas." 43 00:01:29,617 --> 00:01:31,984 - Ready? One, two, three. - ALL: Yas! 44 00:01:32,102 --> 00:01:33,652 ♪ Express it ♪ 45 00:01:33,746 --> 00:01:37,915 ♪ Be it, yeah, express it... ♪ 46 00:01:38,075 --> 00:01:40,084 Her name is Cindy Whitman. 47 00:01:40,244 --> 00:01:44,255 She was convicted of killing a transgender woman back in 1982. 48 00:01:44,415 --> 00:01:46,665 The victim, Vanessa Evans, was the most important 49 00:01:46,784 --> 00:01:49,093 trans activist of her time. 50 00:01:49,211 --> 00:01:52,171 Cindy is transgender herself, and the prisons have stopped 51 00:01:52,289 --> 00:01:54,006 issuing her hormones due to cutbacks. 52 00:01:54,124 --> 00:01:56,158 I'm suing them to get them back. 53 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,525 I can't imagine what she's going through. 54 00:01:57,526 --> 00:01:59,328 That's like having your identity ripped away. 55 00:01:59,330 --> 00:02:01,088 I was friends with a trans man in prison. 56 00:02:01,149 --> 00:02:02,626 Taking away his testosterone would have been like 57 00:02:02,650 --> 00:02:04,420 - taking away his existence. - GARRETT: Exactly. 58 00:02:04,444 --> 00:02:06,071 And to get her hormones back, I have to prove 59 00:02:06,095 --> 00:02:07,260 how long she's been on them. 60 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:08,762 I confirmed with the doctor that she's been 61 00:02:08,781 --> 00:02:11,949 taking them since the late '70s, which led me 62 00:02:12,026 --> 00:02:14,009 to a really interesting discovery. 63 00:02:14,011 --> 00:02:17,847 The blood at the crime scene matched Cindy's blood type, 64 00:02:17,849 --> 00:02:19,198 which is AB negative. 65 00:02:19,316 --> 00:02:20,866 It's the rarest blood type. 66 00:02:20,984 --> 00:02:23,519 Right, only 0.6% of the population has it. 67 00:02:23,521 --> 00:02:27,039 At the time, it was primarily what they used to convict her. 68 00:02:27,157 --> 00:02:28,652 But I just discovered from the lab reports 69 00:02:28,676 --> 00:02:31,377 that the hormone levels in the blood 70 00:02:31,471 --> 00:02:33,286 were significantly lower than that of someone 71 00:02:33,348 --> 00:02:35,618 - who is transitioning. - BODIE: So the blood at the crime scene 72 00:02:35,642 --> 00:02:36,882 couldn't have been Cindy's. 73 00:02:36,976 --> 00:02:38,612 I think we have grounds here to reopen this case. 74 00:02:38,636 --> 00:02:39,718 I'd say so. 75 00:02:39,812 --> 00:02:41,553 Which leads me to another problem, 76 00:02:41,648 --> 00:02:42,949 but I think you're the perfect person 77 00:02:42,973 --> 00:02:44,890 - to help me with it. - Why is that? 78 00:02:44,984 --> 00:02:47,443 Cindy doesn't want to get out of jail. 79 00:02:50,981 --> 00:02:54,400 VIOLET: Imagine you are looking at yourself in the mirror. 80 00:02:54,518 --> 00:02:58,645 It sounds like you and it looks like you. 81 00:02:58,665 --> 00:03:02,725 But deep down, you know this isn't your true self. 82 00:03:02,752 --> 00:03:05,336 On this week's episode of Until Proven Innocent, 83 00:03:05,413 --> 00:03:07,988 we'll explore what happens when one dares 84 00:03:08,049 --> 00:03:11,083 to finally live in their truth, 85 00:03:11,177 --> 00:03:16,088 knowing that so many in the world will hate them for it. 86 00:03:16,182 --> 00:03:19,575 I know I'm not much to look at now, 87 00:03:19,577 --> 00:03:22,094 but you should have seen me back in the day. 88 00:03:22,212 --> 00:03:26,765 Mmm. Oh, Lord Jesus, I was fabulous. 89 00:03:26,884 --> 00:03:28,100 You're still fabulous. 90 00:03:28,218 --> 00:03:29,509 Really, sweetie? 91 00:03:29,587 --> 00:03:30,769 I swear on the Bible. 92 00:03:30,888 --> 00:03:32,604 Mmm. Oh, hell. 93 00:03:32,723 --> 00:03:34,423 The religious boys, they love me. 94 00:03:34,450 --> 00:03:36,516 Honey, the bigger the Bible, the bigger the closet. 95 00:03:36,536 --> 00:03:39,019 - They were always chasing after me. - (LAUGHS) 96 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,446 MADELINE: Tell us about Vanessa. 97 00:03:40,564 --> 00:03:43,523 Vanessa Evans was our hero. 98 00:03:43,584 --> 00:03:45,358 (CHUCKLES) 99 00:03:45,378 --> 00:03:47,861 She was one of the bravest trans activists I knew back then. 100 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,621 Ness held it down. 101 00:03:49,740 --> 00:03:52,383 Police report said you got in a fight the night she died, 102 00:03:52,543 --> 00:03:53,884 that it was a lover's quarrel. 103 00:03:54,044 --> 00:03:55,720 Hmm. Yeah. 104 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,797 Because they thought we were queer men and not women. 105 00:03:58,916 --> 00:04:01,041 Vanessa and I, we were never lovers. 106 00:04:01,060 --> 00:04:02,876 She was like a sister to me. 107 00:04:02,895 --> 00:04:04,878 But the cops saw me as trans-trash, 108 00:04:04,897 --> 00:04:06,472 so they threw the book at me. 109 00:04:06,548 --> 00:04:08,457 Well... thanks to what Garrett found, 110 00:04:08,484 --> 00:04:10,884 - we think you have a real shot. - At getting my hormones? 111 00:04:10,903 --> 00:04:12,628 At getting your conviction overturned. 112 00:04:12,630 --> 00:04:14,296 You shouldn't have to suffer in jail 113 00:04:14,298 --> 00:04:15,814 for a crime you didn't commit. 114 00:04:15,908 --> 00:04:17,816 You know, the real suffering happened 115 00:04:17,910 --> 00:04:20,152 when I had to live my life as Steve. 116 00:04:20,246 --> 00:04:22,988 That was torture every day. 117 00:04:23,065 --> 00:04:25,791 And that torture's coming back if I don't get my hormones. 118 00:04:27,253 --> 00:04:28,994 Cindy, why don't you want to get out? 119 00:04:29,112 --> 00:04:31,714 'Cause there's nothing out there for me. 120 00:04:32,783 --> 00:04:34,984 Everyone I knew is gone. 121 00:04:34,986 --> 00:04:37,336 AIDS, hate crimes, suicide. 122 00:04:37,454 --> 00:04:40,413 40% of trans folks are trying to kill themselves. 123 00:04:40,433 --> 00:04:44,284 40%. Can you imagine if that number was that high 124 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:46,170 for any other group of people? 125 00:04:46,171 --> 00:04:49,014 Honey, there'd be a telethon around the clock. 126 00:04:49,132 --> 00:04:51,517 No. I'd rather stay in here. 127 00:04:51,593 --> 00:04:53,944 But if you really want to help me, 128 00:04:54,104 --> 00:04:57,097 if you really want to help me, 129 00:04:57,116 --> 00:05:00,284 get me my hormones, please. 130 00:05:00,402 --> 00:05:02,328 Because I'll die without them. 131 00:05:03,956 --> 00:05:05,956 ♪ ♪ 132 00:05:19,719 --> 00:05:22,961 It's as if I've never done this before or something. 133 00:05:23,055 --> 00:05:25,538 Wow, I'm a little nervous. 134 00:05:25,558 --> 00:05:26,965 Oh, I totally get that. 135 00:05:27,059 --> 00:05:29,059 - I get nervous. - No, you don't. 136 00:05:29,136 --> 00:05:30,539 Nervous means like, you know, you're in the game, like, 137 00:05:30,563 --> 00:05:31,787 nervous means you want to win. 138 00:05:31,789 --> 00:05:32,955 Being nervous is good. 139 00:05:32,957 --> 00:05:36,216 Okay. Right. Nervous is good. 140 00:05:36,235 --> 00:05:38,477 - Nervous is good. - I'll just be nervous all the time. 141 00:05:38,595 --> 00:05:41,363 - That's the spirit. - Okay, um... 142 00:05:42,450 --> 00:05:46,726 Our guest today is podcasting icon 143 00:05:46,787 --> 00:05:50,155 - and my personal hero Ira Glass. - Glad to be here. 144 00:05:50,273 --> 00:05:52,641 "Podcasting icon" is such, like, a funny thing to say. 145 00:05:52,643 --> 00:05:54,067 Like, I'm this "icon" of this thing 146 00:05:54,128 --> 00:05:55,588 that most people have never heard of. 147 00:05:55,612 --> 00:05:58,330 (LAUGHS, SNORTS) 148 00:05:58,448 --> 00:06:01,759 Uh, one of the biggest challenges in podcasting 149 00:06:01,835 --> 00:06:05,170 is balancing the story that you're actually telling 150 00:06:05,247 --> 00:06:07,914 with some kind of bigger meaning or message, 151 00:06:07,934 --> 00:06:10,492 which is something you do effortlessly. 152 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:12,327 - What's your secret? - I mean, honestly, we just try 153 00:06:12,329 --> 00:06:13,996 to tell the plot of what happened to a person, 154 00:06:13,998 --> 00:06:17,274 and then, ideally, they are the one who have 155 00:06:17,351 --> 00:06:19,334 the bigger thought or idea about what it means. 156 00:06:19,362 --> 00:06:22,262 Um, and then if they don't, like, then the host or reporter 157 00:06:22,281 --> 00:06:23,596 can jump in and give that meaning. 158 00:06:23,616 --> 00:06:25,616 There's a really amazing example 159 00:06:25,693 --> 00:06:28,360 that I just heard where it was this story of this 14-year-old, 160 00:06:28,454 --> 00:06:30,265 who, uh, who the police would treat as an adult 161 00:06:30,289 --> 00:06:32,014 because he looked just like an adult. 162 00:06:32,016 --> 00:06:33,606 And then the host is the one who jumps in 163 00:06:33,626 --> 00:06:35,033 with this really beautiful thought 164 00:06:35,127 --> 00:06:36,868 about how deceptive appearances can be. 165 00:06:36,963 --> 00:06:39,371 (LAUGHS): OMG. 166 00:06:39,465 --> 00:06:41,781 You're talking about my show. 167 00:06:41,859 --> 00:06:43,970 Yes, I am talking about your show. Yes, congratulations, 168 00:06:43,994 --> 00:06:45,452 you recognize your own show. 169 00:06:45,471 --> 00:06:47,972 Yeah, you're doing such a nice job. 170 00:06:49,332 --> 00:06:50,382 VIOLET: Thanks again 171 00:06:50,459 --> 00:06:51,662 - for doing this. - Totally glad to do it. 172 00:06:51,686 --> 00:06:53,126 And for pretending to be a fan. 173 00:06:53,145 --> 00:06:54,886 - That was nice. - I'm not pretending. 174 00:06:55,005 --> 00:06:56,146 Your show's really good. 175 00:06:56,223 --> 00:06:57,464 Thanks. 176 00:06:57,525 --> 00:06:59,966 Hey, okay, so, I fly out of here in a couple days. 177 00:07:00,027 --> 00:07:01,468 What are you doing tomorrow night? 178 00:07:01,529 --> 00:07:03,970 Um... Oh, I guess I'm, 179 00:07:04,031 --> 00:07:05,990 I'm doing whatever it is that you are doing. 180 00:07:06,108 --> 00:07:08,808 You're funny. Um, do you want to have dinner? 181 00:07:08,828 --> 00:07:11,644 I... I, um, I do. 182 00:07:11,664 --> 00:07:13,258 I do want to have dinner. That would be nice. 183 00:07:13,282 --> 00:07:15,666 - That's great. Okay, so, I will be in touch. - Okay. 184 00:07:15,743 --> 00:07:17,984 - We will make arrangements, the way that adults do. - Yeah. 185 00:07:18,004 --> 00:07:21,230 - Good. All right, great. Okay. - Great. Thanks. 186 00:07:21,257 --> 00:07:23,565 (DOOR OPENS, CLOSES) 187 00:07:23,592 --> 00:07:24,991 (EXCLAIMS) 188 00:07:25,011 --> 00:07:27,011 ♪ Can't be more of a baller... ♪ 189 00:07:27,087 --> 00:07:28,661 NOAH: So our first goal is to reframe you 190 00:07:28,681 --> 00:07:31,573 into what I call a hero campaign. 191 00:07:31,575 --> 00:07:32,908 We lean into your incredible bio, 192 00:07:32,910 --> 00:07:35,185 display images of you looking heroic. 193 00:07:35,262 --> 00:07:37,670 Here you are as the man who saved Chicago. 194 00:07:37,732 --> 00:07:40,265 A loving husband, American as apple pie. 195 00:07:40,359 --> 00:07:41,433 Tested great in the burbs. 196 00:07:41,527 --> 00:07:45,362 This one says Gore Bellows is the law. 197 00:07:47,649 --> 00:07:49,258 - Powerful. - Yeah. 198 00:07:49,260 --> 00:07:51,535 - Forceful. - Absolutely. 199 00:07:51,612 --> 00:07:53,019 Makes me look like a winner. 200 00:07:53,039 --> 00:07:55,280 - Which you are, sir. - (CHUCKLES) 201 00:07:55,398 --> 00:07:57,282 Best part is it makes the campaign about me, 202 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,025 instead of the Scott case. 203 00:07:59,045 --> 00:08:00,897 Mayfield was always obsessed with how Madeline's press 204 00:08:00,921 --> 00:08:03,047 was affecting my numbers. 205 00:08:03,165 --> 00:08:05,068 Yeah, I don't want to say anything negative about him, 206 00:08:05,092 --> 00:08:07,109 'cause he's a great guy, but he's an amateur and a hack 207 00:08:07,111 --> 00:08:08,944 who will lead you to a crushing defeat. 208 00:08:08,946 --> 00:08:11,280 All right, fighting Madeline Scott... going tit for tat... 209 00:08:11,282 --> 00:08:14,391 it puts her at your level, and she is not. 210 00:08:14,510 --> 00:08:16,468 She's a murderer. 211 00:08:16,545 --> 00:08:19,396 - You really believe that? - I always did. 212 00:08:20,474 --> 00:08:22,624 I knew you were my guy. 213 00:08:22,626 --> 00:08:23,883 (BELLOWS CHUCKLES) 214 00:08:23,903 --> 00:08:25,294 So you think I should just ignore her? 215 00:08:25,296 --> 00:08:26,461 I do, I do. 216 00:08:26,463 --> 00:08:28,221 I mean, unless... 217 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,722 Unless what? 218 00:08:29,784 --> 00:08:31,224 Well, attacking her would be a disaster, 219 00:08:31,243 --> 00:08:33,077 but if you had new evidence... 220 00:08:34,288 --> 00:08:35,412 ... of her guilt... 221 00:08:37,625 --> 00:08:40,125 I mean, then you would win in a landslide. 222 00:08:41,420 --> 00:08:44,162 You mean, recharge her for murder? 223 00:08:44,256 --> 00:08:47,257 Only if you had new evidence. 224 00:08:48,986 --> 00:08:53,430 If you had it, you would dominate every news cycle. 225 00:08:59,330 --> 00:09:01,480 (LIQUID POURING) 226 00:09:04,652 --> 00:09:07,760 I believe she's innocent, but if she doesn't want our help... 227 00:09:07,822 --> 00:09:10,447 Prison is a hopeless place, we just need to give her some hope. 228 00:09:10,566 --> 00:09:13,099 So, what, we go against her wishes and do it anyway? 229 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,380 It's not even ethical to assume representation for a client 230 00:09:15,404 --> 00:09:16,787 without their consent. 231 00:09:16,905 --> 00:09:18,124 Then let's find some new evidence, 232 00:09:18,148 --> 00:09:19,531 give her a reason to say yes. 233 00:09:19,608 --> 00:09:21,608 2018 was one of the most violent years 234 00:09:21,627 --> 00:09:24,277 in history for transgender women. 235 00:09:24,296 --> 00:09:26,521 This could be an amazing case to shine a light on those issues. 236 00:09:26,523 --> 00:09:28,523 We can't take the case of someone who doesn't 237 00:09:28,551 --> 00:09:29,858 want to be exonerated. 238 00:09:29,860 --> 00:09:31,468 Are you uncomfortable with this case? 239 00:09:31,545 --> 00:09:35,547 No. I'd gladly move forward if she actually wanted our help. 240 00:09:35,624 --> 00:09:36,868 Well, she does, she doesn't know it yet. 241 00:09:36,892 --> 00:09:38,791 Come on, let's dig around. 242 00:09:38,853 --> 00:09:40,533 Let's give her a reason to change her mind. 243 00:09:47,544 --> 00:09:49,302 (EXHALES) Amazing, isn't it? 244 00:09:49,363 --> 00:09:51,638 All the hatred for this community. 245 00:09:51,657 --> 00:09:53,806 All they want to do is just live their lives for who they are. 246 00:09:53,826 --> 00:09:56,568 I wouldn't know anything about that. 247 00:09:56,662 --> 00:09:58,570 Does the black community share any connection 248 00:09:58,664 --> 00:10:01,239 with the gay community for being targeted by hate groups? 249 00:10:01,358 --> 00:10:03,575 Some might say yes because we both know what it's like 250 00:10:03,693 --> 00:10:05,577 to be hated for being who you are, 251 00:10:05,695 --> 00:10:08,747 and we're both generally hated by the same people. 252 00:10:08,823 --> 00:10:10,490 But others say you can hide who you love, 253 00:10:10,509 --> 00:10:12,467 but you can't hide the color of your skin. 254 00:10:21,228 --> 00:10:24,746 (LAUGHTER, INDISTINCT CHATTER) 255 00:10:24,748 --> 00:10:27,482 But what do you do when you can't hide who you love? 256 00:10:37,861 --> 00:10:39,369 MAN: No way Cindy killed her. 257 00:10:39,529 --> 00:10:42,039 Cops will pin anything they can on queer people. 258 00:10:42,199 --> 00:10:44,950 - Did you own the bar then? - No, I was just a server. 259 00:10:45,026 --> 00:10:46,710 It was mob-owned, like most gay bars. 260 00:10:46,828 --> 00:10:50,881 They walked away in '98 and someone had to keep it alive. 261 00:10:50,999 --> 00:10:52,549 This bar was special. A safe haven, 262 00:10:52,668 --> 00:10:54,053 where everyone could be themselves. 263 00:10:54,077 --> 00:10:55,460 Everyone? 264 00:10:55,554 --> 00:10:57,963 My understanding is not all gay bars 265 00:10:58,081 --> 00:11:00,632 were welcoming of the trans community. 266 00:11:00,726 --> 00:11:02,801 This wasn't most gay bars, honey. 267 00:11:02,895 --> 00:11:05,395 This was the Tulip. 268 00:11:05,472 --> 00:11:06,638 Vanessa was an icon. 269 00:11:06,732 --> 00:11:08,548 A true hero. 270 00:11:08,567 --> 00:11:11,460 Everybody loved her. Except the cops. 271 00:11:11,462 --> 00:11:12,978 - Why is that? - The usual. 272 00:11:13,096 --> 00:11:15,722 Thought she was a he and a pervert. 273 00:11:15,741 --> 00:11:18,316 If they weren't harassing her, they were putting her in cuffs 274 00:11:18,393 --> 00:11:21,060 for prostitution, and believe me, she wasn't. 275 00:11:21,121 --> 00:11:23,655 - Walking while trans. - That's right, honey. 276 00:11:23,773 --> 00:11:26,491 You look visibly trans on the street, 277 00:11:26,568 --> 00:11:27,771 cops cuff and say you're a prostitute. 278 00:11:27,795 --> 00:11:30,996 In my community, it's walking while black. 279 00:11:31,114 --> 00:11:33,090 Now imagine being black and trans. 280 00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:34,961 'Cause that's what these girls had to live with. 281 00:11:34,985 --> 00:11:37,594 I remember a few days before she was killed, 282 00:11:37,754 --> 00:11:40,171 some jerk accosted Vanessa. He was obsessed with her. 283 00:11:40,266 --> 00:11:43,100 And when she called it off, he went after her. 284 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:45,936 Then the cops arrest Vanessa for assault. 285 00:11:46,096 --> 00:11:47,587 Do you know who this guy was? 286 00:11:47,606 --> 00:11:49,922 No, but I'll ask around. 287 00:11:49,984 --> 00:11:52,025 A few of us are still alive from those days. 288 00:11:53,061 --> 00:11:54,611 A few. 289 00:12:01,662 --> 00:12:02,786 You wanted to see me? 290 00:12:02,863 --> 00:12:04,195 Yes, come on in. Come on in. 291 00:12:04,290 --> 00:12:07,182 So... this is the big day. 292 00:12:07,184 --> 00:12:08,867 Your first day in court. 293 00:12:08,961 --> 00:12:10,519 It's just a P.C. hearing. 294 00:12:10,521 --> 00:12:12,037 First P.C. hearing in court. 295 00:12:12,131 --> 00:12:14,539 (CHUCKLING): Here. Congratulations. 296 00:12:14,657 --> 00:12:16,949 I'm very proud of all your accomplishments. 297 00:12:16,969 --> 00:12:18,785 ISABEL: Oh, I love it. 298 00:12:18,804 --> 00:12:21,196 - Thank you. - You deserve it. 299 00:12:21,198 --> 00:12:22,380 Come have a seat. 300 00:12:22,499 --> 00:12:25,291 So, tell me about Levi Scott. 301 00:12:25,352 --> 00:12:27,536 Are you still attending that anger management class with him? 302 00:12:27,538 --> 00:12:29,220 Levi's a tough nut to crack. 303 00:12:29,339 --> 00:12:31,873 He keeps to himself, mostly. 304 00:12:31,875 --> 00:12:33,558 You just got to get him to loosen up. 305 00:12:33,676 --> 00:12:34,726 Find out what he likes. 306 00:12:34,844 --> 00:12:38,638 I bet it's you. Who knows... maybe, 307 00:12:38,699 --> 00:12:40,549 if he can give you some evidence that might help 308 00:12:40,551 --> 00:12:43,309 reopen Rosemary's murder case... 309 00:12:43,370 --> 00:12:45,829 you could find yourself sitting second chair 310 00:12:45,989 --> 00:12:47,956 in the biggest trial of the year. 311 00:12:49,826 --> 00:12:50,834 Understood. 312 00:12:53,172 --> 00:12:55,413 (INDISTINCT ANNOUNCEMENT OVER P.A.) 313 00:12:55,532 --> 00:12:58,175 CINDY: Vanessa had a few stalkers. 314 00:12:58,293 --> 00:13:00,569 The straight boys loved her. 315 00:13:00,571 --> 00:13:03,663 And when they couldn't keep her it could get violent. 316 00:13:03,724 --> 00:13:05,090 You have any idea who attacked her 317 00:13:05,184 --> 00:13:06,984 - when she was charged for assault? - Honey... 318 00:13:07,019 --> 00:13:09,411 everybody harassed us. 319 00:13:09,413 --> 00:13:11,930 Cops, neighbors, drunkards, robbers, 320 00:13:12,066 --> 00:13:13,339 even family. 321 00:13:13,417 --> 00:13:14,841 Everybody hated us. 322 00:13:14,860 --> 00:13:17,005 EASY: We're just trying to find an alternative suspect. 323 00:13:17,029 --> 00:13:18,920 It's the key to getting you out. 324 00:13:18,922 --> 00:13:20,755 Well, what's the key to getting my hormones? 325 00:13:20,757 --> 00:13:22,757 Cindy, you deserve your hormones and so much more. 326 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:24,392 Let us help you get out of prison. 327 00:13:24,411 --> 00:13:27,112 - Then you're free to get the hormones you need. - But like I said, 328 00:13:27,230 --> 00:13:28,855 I've got no one out there. 329 00:13:28,932 --> 00:13:30,448 The gays hate us. 330 00:13:30,567 --> 00:13:32,191 The lesbians don't want anything to do with us, 331 00:13:32,211 --> 00:13:34,051 and the straights don't even think we're human. 332 00:13:35,738 --> 00:13:38,957 All of my friends are gone. 333 00:13:39,075 --> 00:13:42,460 There's not one single person in the world for me. 334 00:13:42,579 --> 00:13:44,295 I'm better off in here. 335 00:13:44,390 --> 00:13:46,631 But this isn't freedom. 336 00:13:46,725 --> 00:13:48,040 Your life's not your own, 337 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:50,894 and even though the idea of being free is scary, 338 00:13:51,054 --> 00:13:53,397 it is your right because you're innocent. 339 00:13:53,473 --> 00:13:55,732 I won't say it's gonna be easy. 340 00:13:55,892 --> 00:13:57,459 But a year from now, 341 00:13:57,461 --> 00:13:59,528 maybe two, maybe three... 342 00:14:01,398 --> 00:14:03,468 ... you're gonna start to wake up with tears in your eyes 343 00:14:03,492 --> 00:14:05,992 that your life is your own. 344 00:14:07,996 --> 00:14:09,971 Why are you being so nice to me? 345 00:14:09,973 --> 00:14:12,749 Because I suffered for ten years in prison. 346 00:14:14,645 --> 00:14:16,978 Just like that man over there alleviated my pain, 347 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:19,297 I vowed that I would do the same for others. 348 00:14:21,427 --> 00:14:23,818 Cindy, let us help you. 349 00:14:23,820 --> 00:14:25,262 Let us stand next to you and fight. 350 00:14:41,447 --> 00:14:44,573 All right... fine. 351 00:14:46,643 --> 00:14:47,742 Let's do it. 352 00:14:56,462 --> 00:14:58,128 - Oh, Lord. - Who is it? 353 00:14:58,288 --> 00:15:00,630 - Judge Speer. - Oh, Lord. 354 00:15:00,707 --> 00:15:03,525 - Ms. Scott. - It's good to see you again, Your Honor. 355 00:15:03,527 --> 00:15:05,193 I wish I could say the same for you. 356 00:15:05,195 --> 00:15:06,636 Thank you, Your Honor. 357 00:15:06,796 --> 00:15:09,455 The justice system is based on the principle 358 00:15:09,475 --> 00:15:11,457 that all people are treated equally under the law. 359 00:15:11,477 --> 00:15:12,884 That principle was violated 360 00:15:12,961 --> 00:15:14,321 at Cindy Whitman's original trial. 361 00:15:14,354 --> 00:15:15,795 SPEER: Whoa, whoa, whoa, we have on the docket here 362 00:15:15,814 --> 00:15:18,464 a Steven Whitman, not Cindy. 363 00:15:18,525 --> 00:15:19,627 Your Honor, that's my point. 364 00:15:19,651 --> 00:15:21,392 - The Constitution... - Ms. Scott, 365 00:15:21,487 --> 00:15:22,544 you're my first case of the day. 366 00:15:22,546 --> 00:15:23,895 Let the coffee kick in before you 367 00:15:23,989 --> 00:15:25,380 go full Atticus Finch on me. 368 00:15:25,382 --> 00:15:26,548 What's your issue? 369 00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:28,975 Your Honor... 370 00:15:29,052 --> 00:15:31,477 we move for a new trial in the interest of justice 371 00:15:31,497 --> 00:15:35,537 on the basis of overwhelming new evidence of the Chicago PD's bias 372 00:15:35,538 --> 00:15:37,408 against the transgendered community in the '80s. 373 00:15:37,409 --> 00:15:40,337 Lovely history lesson, but you seem to have left out 374 00:15:40,455 --> 00:15:43,414 the Chicago PD's investigation into your client. 375 00:15:43,533 --> 00:15:45,825 In addition to exculpatory blood evidence already before you, 376 00:15:45,844 --> 00:15:47,660 the hormone levels in the blood at the scene 377 00:15:47,679 --> 00:15:49,532 did not reflect someone who was transitioning... 378 00:15:49,556 --> 00:15:50,849 Do these blood samples still exist? 379 00:15:50,873 --> 00:15:52,423 They do not, Your Honor. 380 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:54,092 Motion for a new trial denied. 381 00:15:54,210 --> 00:15:56,261 Then we request, at the very least, 382 00:15:56,355 --> 00:15:57,929 post-conviction discovery, 383 00:15:58,047 --> 00:16:00,524 in the form of access to the police files 384 00:16:00,684 --> 00:16:03,693 - to explore the possibility. - Fine. Motion granted. 385 00:16:03,812 --> 00:16:06,178 But then again... 386 00:16:06,198 --> 00:16:07,300 that's what you wanted all along, 387 00:16:07,301 --> 00:16:09,616 - isn't it, Ms. Scott? - Maybe. 388 00:16:10,953 --> 00:16:12,285 Next case. 389 00:16:16,542 --> 00:16:19,358 How nice of them to bury us in paperwork. 390 00:16:19,378 --> 00:16:20,693 Yeah, and literally none of it 391 00:16:20,712 --> 00:16:22,604 has anything to do with our case. 392 00:16:22,606 --> 00:16:24,130 The arrest date was July 14, right? 393 00:16:24,149 --> 00:16:26,085 - BOTH: Yeah. - I have an arrest report here 394 00:16:26,109 --> 00:16:29,368 for Debbie Urmand, same date, same charge. 395 00:16:29,429 --> 00:16:31,780 - It's a codefendant? - Same arresting officers. 396 00:16:31,782 --> 00:16:33,723 If Debbie was there, she might be able to tell us 397 00:16:33,842 --> 00:16:35,800 who the guy was. If she's still alive. 398 00:16:35,894 --> 00:16:38,136 Ah, ah, ah... I found a Debbie Urmand. 399 00:16:38,212 --> 00:16:40,972 She manages a drag club called Medusa's Den. 400 00:16:41,066 --> 00:16:42,640 I think there's a slightly good chance 401 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:44,484 that that is the same person. 402 00:16:45,595 --> 00:16:46,811 This is gonna be fun. 403 00:16:46,929 --> 00:16:48,479 Can't wait. 404 00:16:48,598 --> 00:16:50,982 ♪ I don't want to lose you ♪ 405 00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:52,984 ♪ This good thing ♪ 406 00:16:53,102 --> 00:16:55,153 ♪ That I've got ♪ 407 00:16:55,271 --> 00:16:57,655 ♪ 'Cause if I do ♪ 408 00:16:57,774 --> 00:16:59,565 ♪ I would surely ♪ 409 00:16:59,626 --> 00:17:03,144 ♪ Surely lose a lot ♪ 410 00:17:03,146 --> 00:17:07,073 ♪ 'Cause your love is better ♪ 411 00:17:07,092 --> 00:17:09,408 ♪ Than any love I know ♪ 412 00:17:09,428 --> 00:17:11,577 ♪ It's like thunder ♪ 413 00:17:11,597 --> 00:17:13,579 ♪ Lightning ♪ 414 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:17,083 ♪ The way you love me is frightening ♪ 415 00:17:17,102 --> 00:17:18,827 ♪ You better knock, knock ♪ 416 00:17:18,829 --> 00:17:19,994 (CHEERING) 417 00:17:20,022 --> 00:17:24,332 ♪ On wood, baby ♪ 418 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,761 - ♪ Whoo-ooh-ooh-hoo-hoo ♪ - (CHEERING AND WHISTLING) 419 00:17:28,780 --> 00:17:33,024 ♪ Baby, whoo-ooh-ooh-hoo-hoo ♪ 420 00:17:33,118 --> 00:17:36,119 ♪ Think I better knock, knock, knock on wood ♪ 421 00:17:36,237 --> 00:17:39,013 ♪ Think I better knock, knock, knock on wood ♪ 422 00:17:39,041 --> 00:17:42,533 - That's her. - ♪ Knock, knock, knock on wood ♪ 423 00:17:42,628 --> 00:17:44,352 All right, let's go. 424 00:17:44,354 --> 00:17:46,037 ♪ Think I better knock, knock, knock... ♪ 425 00:17:46,131 --> 00:17:49,190 It was another world back then. 426 00:17:49,192 --> 00:17:50,859 You didn't show your true colors 427 00:17:50,861 --> 00:17:52,785 unless you were willing to pay the price. 428 00:17:52,804 --> 00:17:55,121 On the night of July 14, you were arrested 429 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:56,881 with another woman, Vanessa Evans. 430 00:17:56,999 --> 00:18:00,218 - The police say you both attacked the victim. - Yeah, right... 431 00:18:00,294 --> 00:18:03,980 we attacked him. Sure. 432 00:18:04,057 --> 00:18:05,874 I was working 433 00:18:05,876 --> 00:18:07,466 when Vanessa saw me on my corner 434 00:18:07,527 --> 00:18:09,135 and she came to say hi. 435 00:18:09,196 --> 00:18:11,303 It wasn't but five minutes when some guy 436 00:18:11,365 --> 00:18:13,657 came out of nowhere, jumped us. 437 00:18:13,775 --> 00:18:16,718 So it was a stranger who attacked you? 438 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,477 Not someone Vanessa knew? 439 00:18:18,497 --> 00:18:20,622 That's right. Sh... she didn't know him. 440 00:18:21,725 --> 00:18:24,483 Do you remember anything about him? 441 00:18:24,561 --> 00:18:27,820 No. It was a long time ago. 442 00:18:27,839 --> 00:18:29,822 And one of many. 443 00:18:29,841 --> 00:18:33,568 You said you were working on your corner. 444 00:18:33,570 --> 00:18:34,660 Were you working working? 445 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,256 Only way to pay the bills, sweetheart. 446 00:18:38,350 --> 00:18:42,760 I couldn't pass... so I couldn't get a job. 447 00:18:42,854 --> 00:18:45,838 Some of the girls were lucky enough to find sugar daddies. 448 00:18:45,857 --> 00:18:47,273 Guys on the down-low... 449 00:18:48,527 --> 00:18:50,251 ... but not me. 450 00:18:50,253 --> 00:18:51,753 Vanessa had someone, right? 451 00:18:51,755 --> 00:18:54,847 Many. The straight boys loved her. 452 00:18:54,866 --> 00:18:57,442 - Anyone around the time she was killed? - Oh, yeah. 453 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,110 Sam Marshall. 454 00:18:59,228 --> 00:19:01,946 He was obsessed with her. 455 00:19:02,023 --> 00:19:05,616 Lost it a little when she called it off. 456 00:19:05,693 --> 00:19:08,086 Big finance guys don't like to be told no. 457 00:19:10,290 --> 00:19:14,108 ♪ Gotta knock, knock, knock on wood, yeah ♪ 458 00:19:14,110 --> 00:19:17,053 ♪ You gotta knock, knock, knock on lightning ♪ 459 00:19:17,172 --> 00:19:18,555 BODIE: And I like that part. 460 00:19:18,673 --> 00:19:20,206 - ♪ It's like thunder ♪ - And... and I had fun. 461 00:19:20,225 --> 00:19:22,133 - Hey! - Hey. 462 00:19:22,210 --> 00:19:24,452 - Die of AIDS, faggots. - (SCREAMS) 463 00:19:24,454 --> 00:19:27,546 (MEN WHOOPING, LAUGHING) 464 00:19:27,566 --> 00:19:29,215 Call the cops! 465 00:19:29,234 --> 00:19:30,959 - Are you okay? - Someone call the police! 466 00:19:30,961 --> 00:19:33,795 (GROANING) 467 00:19:33,822 --> 00:19:36,388 - (SIREN WAILING) - You're not gonna need stitches. You got lucky. 468 00:19:36,408 --> 00:19:38,241 An inch lower and you could've lost your eye. 469 00:19:38,318 --> 00:19:40,410 (INDISTINCT RADIO CHATTER) 470 00:19:40,528 --> 00:19:42,095 So you didn't get the license? 471 00:19:42,097 --> 00:19:44,806 No. It... it... Look, it all happened so fast. 472 00:19:44,833 --> 00:19:46,474 Can you guys not check the neighborhood cameras, 473 00:19:46,476 --> 00:19:47,476 get their license plate? 474 00:19:47,477 --> 00:19:49,494 Yeah, we'll get right on that. 475 00:19:49,588 --> 00:19:51,980 - You're not gonna do anything, are you? - Sir, please stay calm. 476 00:19:51,982 --> 00:19:54,482 - Listen, I'm not even gay and I'm pissed off. - Of course you're not, sir. 477 00:19:54,484 --> 00:19:57,819 - You're wasting your time getting angry. - Excuse me, sir. 478 00:19:57,821 --> 00:20:00,098 - We're taking a police report. - Can you at least show her some respect 479 00:20:00,122 --> 00:20:01,247 and refer to her as ma'am? 480 00:20:01,266 --> 00:20:03,433 And you'll refer to me as Officer Thompson. 481 00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:05,270 All right, all right. We get it. You don't care. 482 00:20:05,294 --> 00:20:07,228 Let's just get out of here. 483 00:20:14,971 --> 00:20:18,264 So I have a Sam Marshall of a Marshall Financial Group 484 00:20:18,325 --> 00:20:20,525 - on Michigan Avenue. - Is that the guy? 485 00:20:20,643 --> 00:20:23,602 - That looks like a DL sugar daddy. - And you would know? 486 00:20:23,663 --> 00:20:26,531 - I could be DL. I could never be a sugar daddy. - I believe that. 487 00:20:26,625 --> 00:20:27,760 - That I couldn't be a sugar daddy? - Yeah. 488 00:20:27,784 --> 00:20:28,936 Because you don't have any money. 489 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,852 (LINE RINGING) 490 00:20:30,854 --> 00:20:32,796 WOMAN: Mr. Marshall's office. 491 00:20:32,956 --> 00:20:34,355 Hi, may I please speak to Sam Marshall? 492 00:20:34,357 --> 00:20:35,632 It's Madeline Scott calling 493 00:20:35,792 --> 00:20:36,949 from the Injustice Defense Group. 494 00:20:36,968 --> 00:20:39,636 - It's a legal matter. - Hold, please. 495 00:20:39,796 --> 00:20:42,530 SAM: Uh, this is Sam Marshall. 496 00:20:42,532 --> 00:20:44,974 Hi, Mr. Marshall. Uh, this is Madeline Scott. 497 00:20:45,093 --> 00:20:48,386 We have a few questions for you about Vanessa Evans. 498 00:20:48,504 --> 00:20:50,313 I don't know who that is. 499 00:20:51,841 --> 00:20:53,465 We think you do. 500 00:20:53,527 --> 00:20:55,393 Don't contact me ever again. 501 00:20:55,511 --> 00:20:56,727 - (LINE CLICKS) - (WHISTLES) 502 00:20:56,846 --> 00:20:59,397 I think someone just put "suspect" 503 00:20:59,491 --> 00:21:01,491 above their head in flashing lights. 504 00:21:12,862 --> 00:21:15,079 (SNIFFLES) 505 00:21:15,197 --> 00:21:16,297 Isabel? 506 00:21:19,845 --> 00:21:21,177 Hey. 507 00:21:23,256 --> 00:21:26,224 - You okay? - Yeah, I'm fine. 508 00:21:27,410 --> 00:21:30,002 Okay, maybe I'm not fine. 509 00:21:30,063 --> 00:21:33,264 But that's why we're here, right? 510 00:21:33,382 --> 00:21:36,008 - Right. Right, yeah. - It's just... 511 00:21:36,027 --> 00:21:38,344 coming here, sometimes... (SNIFFLES) 512 00:21:38,363 --> 00:21:40,321 makes me more sad. 513 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,825 Yeah. 514 00:21:45,361 --> 00:21:47,871 Why don't we do something not sad? 515 00:21:48,031 --> 00:21:50,164 What do you mean? 516 00:21:51,209 --> 00:21:53,359 I don't know. 517 00:21:53,378 --> 00:21:55,211 Let's get out of here. 518 00:21:55,330 --> 00:21:56,796 Come on. 519 00:22:06,558 --> 00:22:07,615 Sam Marshall? 520 00:22:07,617 --> 00:22:08,725 Hi, I'm Madeline Scott. 521 00:22:08,843 --> 00:22:09,951 We spoke on the phone. 522 00:22:09,953 --> 00:22:12,211 This is my partner, Easy Boudreau. 523 00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:14,546 I asked you not to reach out to me. 524 00:22:14,566 --> 00:22:17,141 Crazy enough, that made us want to talk to you even more. 525 00:22:17,218 --> 00:22:19,385 - I don't have to talk to you. - Of course not. 526 00:22:19,404 --> 00:22:20,978 But if you don't, 527 00:22:21,097 --> 00:22:22,797 we'll ask your friends and coworkers 528 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:24,260 if they knew about your relationship with Vanessa. 529 00:22:24,284 --> 00:22:26,058 Probably more beneficial 530 00:22:26,077 --> 00:22:27,702 to talk to us directly, don't you think? 531 00:22:33,585 --> 00:22:35,585 (TRAIN PASSING NEARBY) 532 00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:48,673 It was very long ago. 533 00:22:48,791 --> 00:22:51,842 - Are you still married? - Wife passed away two years ago. 534 00:22:51,961 --> 00:22:53,603 Pancreatic cancer. 535 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,087 - Sorry to hear. - Thank you. 536 00:22:55,106 --> 00:22:57,256 I have children, I have grandchildren. 537 00:22:57,333 --> 00:23:01,519 I cannot have anyone find out about Vanessa. 538 00:23:01,595 --> 00:23:03,595 We have no interest in exposing your personal life. 539 00:23:03,657 --> 00:23:05,501 We're just trying to find out what happened to her. 540 00:23:05,525 --> 00:23:07,599 I have no idea what happened to her. 541 00:23:07,661 --> 00:23:10,436 I was in New York that night for work. 542 00:23:10,497 --> 00:23:13,197 I left that morning, which I can probably prove. 543 00:23:13,333 --> 00:23:14,791 Came back the next day. 544 00:23:14,909 --> 00:23:16,534 I didn't even hear about her murder 545 00:23:16,628 --> 00:23:18,610 until the next week. 546 00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:20,779 We hadn't seen each other in months. 547 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:22,540 We were told that you had. 548 00:23:22,658 --> 00:23:24,136 That she'd recently broken up with you 549 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,560 and you were really upset about it. 550 00:23:25,661 --> 00:23:27,378 (SCOFFS) Please. 551 00:23:27,496 --> 00:23:29,547 She didn't break up with me. I ended it. 552 00:23:29,665 --> 00:23:32,458 Okay? It was a very strange time in my life 553 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:35,294 and it was 37 years ago. 554 00:23:35,355 --> 00:23:37,555 So I hope that this was helpful 555 00:23:37,673 --> 00:23:39,724 and I sincerely hope that I never see 556 00:23:39,818 --> 00:23:42,026 either of you ever again. 557 00:23:49,494 --> 00:23:51,494 I think he's lying. 558 00:23:53,823 --> 00:23:55,665 He wasn't lying. 559 00:23:55,825 --> 00:23:58,650 He e-mailed us his credit card statements from 37 years ago. 560 00:23:58,728 --> 00:24:00,652 He says he kept them all for 45 years. 561 00:24:00,672 --> 00:24:03,209 - Only a finance guy would do that. - Yeah, and there were charges 562 00:24:03,233 --> 00:24:05,399 from New York City on the night of the murder. 563 00:24:05,427 --> 00:24:06,627 Which gives him a tight alibi. 564 00:24:06,678 --> 00:24:07,993 But that doesn't mean he didn't 565 00:24:08,054 --> 00:24:09,995 kill her that day before he left. 566 00:24:10,015 --> 00:24:12,142 Plus, he could have falsified his credit card statements. 567 00:24:12,166 --> 00:24:14,495 Also, someone else could have been using the card that night. 568 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:17,836 Exactly. But what's really, really interesting is... 569 00:24:17,897 --> 00:24:21,173 these hospital charges from Mount Carmel ER. 570 00:24:21,192 --> 00:24:23,359 Two days after the murder. Check this out. 571 00:24:23,436 --> 00:24:24,843 He could have cut himself at the crime scene 572 00:24:24,863 --> 00:24:27,012 and then, a couple days later, the wound hasn't healed 573 00:24:27,073 --> 00:24:28,773 so he goes to the ER for stitches. 574 00:24:28,891 --> 00:24:31,868 And if he killed Vanessa, then his blood 575 00:24:31,944 --> 00:24:34,024 would've been the other one found at the crime scene. 576 00:24:34,063 --> 00:24:36,188 We should check to see if he's the rare AB negative. 577 00:24:36,207 --> 00:24:38,023 Let's do it. We'll get a court order, 578 00:24:38,084 --> 00:24:40,284 - subpoena his records. - All right, I definitely think 579 00:24:40,361 --> 00:24:42,361 that our stockbroker douchebag is the best bet. 580 00:24:42,380 --> 00:24:44,696 But I did find some really interesting information 581 00:24:44,716 --> 00:24:48,051 about our bartender, Thomas Stone. 582 00:24:48,127 --> 00:24:50,047 Okay, so, he talked about how the trans community 583 00:24:50,096 --> 00:24:51,996 was always welcome at the Tulip, right? 584 00:24:52,073 --> 00:24:54,039 To quote Dick Cheney, "Big time." 585 00:24:54,059 --> 00:24:56,801 A safe haven where everyone could be themselves. 586 00:24:56,895 --> 00:24:58,544 Hmm. It was a haven, all right. 587 00:24:58,563 --> 00:25:00,955 A haven of anti-trans sentiment. 588 00:25:00,957 --> 00:25:02,701 Found a dozen quotes from Thomas back in the day, 589 00:25:02,725 --> 00:25:05,551 all of them distancing the gay community 590 00:25:05,628 --> 00:25:06,794 from the trans community. 591 00:25:06,821 --> 00:25:09,555 Some of them, he even attacks Vanessa head-on. 592 00:25:09,574 --> 00:25:11,056 In this one he says, uh, 593 00:25:11,076 --> 00:25:12,600 "She was a she-male that was the worst thing 594 00:25:12,602 --> 00:25:14,393 to happen to gay rights." 595 00:25:14,412 --> 00:25:15,894 Damn, that's harsh. 596 00:25:15,914 --> 00:25:17,805 Well, I think we need to talk to Thomas. 597 00:25:17,832 --> 00:25:20,991 (ROCK MUSIC PLAYING OVER SPEAKERS) 598 00:25:21,086 --> 00:25:22,493 I got us shots. 599 00:25:22,587 --> 00:25:24,478 Uh... 600 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,647 - that's probably not a good idea. - Oh, come on. 601 00:25:26,649 --> 00:25:29,333 Just one shot. Remember, today's Don't Be Sad Day. 602 00:25:29,427 --> 00:25:30,909 - (CHUCKLES) - Mm-hmm. 603 00:25:30,929 --> 00:25:32,303 LEVI: Okay, one shot. 604 00:25:34,432 --> 00:25:36,173 - (GRUNTS) - (EXHALES) 605 00:25:36,292 --> 00:25:37,491 Let's do another one. 606 00:25:37,493 --> 00:25:39,060 - Mm, no. - One more shot. 607 00:25:42,798 --> 00:25:44,682 Listening to your podcast, I had to wonder, 608 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,350 okay, so you're making these things, 609 00:25:46,468 --> 00:25:47,946 you're churning them out by yourself? 610 00:25:47,970 --> 00:25:50,262 So, are you just, like, working all the time? 611 00:25:50,323 --> 00:25:51,763 Well, I throw myself into my work 612 00:25:51,825 --> 00:25:53,432 because I barely have a personal life. 613 00:25:53,509 --> 00:25:55,860 Seriously? Like, I would think, like, 614 00:25:55,954 --> 00:25:57,361 you're smart and you're idealistic 615 00:25:57,479 --> 00:25:59,266 and you're attractive, like, I would just think 616 00:25:59,290 --> 00:26:01,682 men must throw themselves at you. 617 00:26:01,684 --> 00:26:02,959 Yeah, well... 618 00:26:03,077 --> 00:26:05,519 yeah, I guess I do all right. 619 00:26:05,521 --> 00:26:07,521 And what about you? 620 00:26:07,523 --> 00:26:09,023 Are you seeing someone? 621 00:26:09,050 --> 00:26:10,299 Oh, my God. Yes. 622 00:26:10,418 --> 00:26:12,360 You would love her. She is, like, 623 00:26:12,362 --> 00:26:14,862 very interesting all the time. 624 00:26:14,889 --> 00:26:17,056 She's incredible, she's incredible. 625 00:26:18,551 --> 00:26:20,292 - That's incredible. - (CHUCKLES) 626 00:26:20,311 --> 00:26:22,553 That's, uh... (LAUGHS) that's like that TV show. 627 00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:23,874 That's Incredible!, it's like that. 628 00:26:23,898 --> 00:26:26,131 It's... that's... incredible. 629 00:26:26,151 --> 00:26:27,151 Uh, yeah, totally. 630 00:26:29,696 --> 00:26:32,280 All right, so... Ira... 631 00:26:33,324 --> 00:26:35,049 ... why did you want to have dinner? 632 00:26:35,051 --> 00:26:36,233 Okay, it's very exciting. 633 00:26:36,327 --> 00:26:38,327 My team, we have this idea for a new podcast. 634 00:26:38,404 --> 00:26:40,554 It's criminal justice, it's very ambitious. 635 00:26:40,556 --> 00:26:42,556 And we think you would be the perfect host. 636 00:26:42,558 --> 00:26:45,576 I'm here to offer you a job. It would be your own show. 637 00:26:45,694 --> 00:26:48,245 Wh... Uh... 638 00:26:48,364 --> 00:26:50,898 I don't know what to say. That's... that's... 639 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:52,583 This would be a dream come true for me. 640 00:26:52,701 --> 00:26:55,390 And we would get more listeners for Until Proven Innocent. 641 00:26:55,391 --> 00:26:58,330 Oh, uh, this would be a full-time thing. I'm so sorry, you would... 642 00:26:58,391 --> 00:27:00,424 you would have to quit Until Proven Innocent. 643 00:27:00,542 --> 00:27:02,185 You'd have to move to New York City. 644 00:27:02,303 --> 00:27:04,145 This could be a really big show. 645 00:27:05,306 --> 00:27:07,339 Yeah, but I don't think I can just... 646 00:27:07,417 --> 00:27:08,417 Just think about it, okay? 647 00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:10,509 This is a really big opportunity. 648 00:27:10,528 --> 00:27:11,903 Think about it. 649 00:27:13,648 --> 00:27:15,125 - I'll think about it. - Think about it. 650 00:27:15,149 --> 00:27:16,532 To that. 651 00:27:23,875 --> 00:27:25,190 Hi, Thomas. 652 00:27:25,210 --> 00:27:27,025 - EASY: Hello. - Back so soon? 653 00:27:27,086 --> 00:27:29,695 We need to talk about the truth between you and Vanessa. 654 00:27:29,714 --> 00:27:31,834 You said this was a place where everyone was accepted. 655 00:27:31,865 --> 00:27:33,774 You meant everyone but the trans community, right? 656 00:27:33,776 --> 00:27:36,627 Because you're quoted all over articles from the '80s 657 00:27:36,721 --> 00:27:39,447 attacking them and Vanessa. 658 00:27:39,449 --> 00:27:42,466 Look, you got to understand what was going on back then. 659 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,286 Cops were raiding gay bars, beating us up. 660 00:27:45,288 --> 00:27:47,045 Stonewall didn't change how they treated us. 661 00:27:47,065 --> 00:27:51,135 So, we started a gay and lesbian alliance to protect us. 662 00:27:51,136 --> 00:27:53,319 And who was supposed to protect the trans community? 663 00:27:54,596 --> 00:27:56,572 At the time, a lot of gay people felt that 664 00:27:56,649 --> 00:28:00,710 the trans community was holding us back from equal rights. 665 00:28:00,787 --> 00:28:02,394 Straight people saw them as freaks 666 00:28:02,455 --> 00:28:04,822 and... so did some of us. 667 00:28:04,898 --> 00:28:06,498 Believe me, I wish I could take it back. 668 00:28:06,534 --> 00:28:08,476 Did you and Vanessa have a fight before she died? 669 00:28:08,478 --> 00:28:10,957 Me and Ness argued every time we saw each other, but... 670 00:28:10,958 --> 00:28:12,463 What were you arguing about? 671 00:28:13,541 --> 00:28:15,424 We got into it at the bar. 672 00:28:15,543 --> 00:28:17,927 She was yelling and throwing a fit. 673 00:28:18,045 --> 00:28:20,429 She could be a real drama queen when she wanted to be. 674 00:28:20,548 --> 00:28:24,767 She was furious because we told her not to speak at a pride rally. 675 00:28:24,885 --> 00:28:27,828 I have been beaten, I've had my nose broken, 676 00:28:27,855 --> 00:28:29,663 I've been thrown in jail. 677 00:28:29,665 --> 00:28:31,757 I've lost my job for gay liberation. 678 00:28:31,776 --> 00:28:34,760 I've got as much right to speak at that rally as anyone else does. 679 00:28:34,821 --> 00:28:36,006 I'm not going anywhere, Thomas, 680 00:28:36,030 --> 00:28:37,521 and if you think just for one second 681 00:28:37,598 --> 00:28:39,264 that we're gonna roll over and die, 682 00:28:39,325 --> 00:28:40,825 think again. 683 00:28:43,346 --> 00:28:46,104 That was the last time I ever saw her. 684 00:28:46,165 --> 00:28:48,182 What did you do after she left? 685 00:28:48,184 --> 00:28:49,792 I... I was here all night. 686 00:28:49,869 --> 00:28:52,369 And I got a dozen people who can testify to that. 687 00:28:52,463 --> 00:28:54,613 No one could ever forget the night Ness died, 688 00:28:54,632 --> 00:28:56,615 and we never will. 689 00:28:56,634 --> 00:28:59,527 Look, I hated Vanessa... 690 00:28:59,529 --> 00:29:01,728 back in the day. 691 00:29:01,730 --> 00:29:03,622 But I would never kill her. 692 00:29:03,683 --> 00:29:07,959 - MADELINE: And why is that? - Because she was my sister-in-arms. 693 00:29:08,021 --> 00:29:10,813 Even when I hated her, I loved her. 694 00:29:10,931 --> 00:29:12,356 And I always will. 695 00:29:18,932 --> 00:29:20,917 BODIE: Of course, we call it a Revolutionary War, 696 00:29:20,941 --> 00:29:23,308 but really, it's a civil war, if you think... 697 00:29:23,386 --> 00:29:24,976 Okay, so I've got bad news 698 00:29:24,996 --> 00:29:28,055 - and I've got bad news. What do you want first? - The bad news. 699 00:29:28,057 --> 00:29:29,981 Judge hates my guts, denied our motion for Sam Marshall's 700 00:29:30,001 --> 00:29:33,060 hospital records. She said it was a fishing expedition. 701 00:29:33,062 --> 00:29:35,896 - Okay, how about the bad news? - We don't have any other suspects. 702 00:29:35,898 --> 00:29:37,989 I don't buy Thomas did it. His motive's weak, 703 00:29:38,009 --> 00:29:40,826 and he's got witnesses to corroborate his alibi. 704 00:29:40,845 --> 00:29:43,179 That brings us back to Sam Marshall, who also has an alibi. 705 00:29:43,255 --> 00:29:44,572 And he's definitely got motive. 706 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:46,256 I agree. He's our best bet. 707 00:29:46,351 --> 00:29:48,166 And if his blood type is AB negative, 708 00:29:48,186 --> 00:29:50,164 - that might be enough to get Cindy out. - BODIE: Okay. 709 00:29:50,188 --> 00:29:51,670 So let's subpoena Sam Marshall, 710 00:29:51,747 --> 00:29:53,107 hammer it out of him on the stand. 711 00:29:53,191 --> 00:29:54,668 Yeah, but what if he testifies to being 712 00:29:54,692 --> 00:29:57,101 a different blood type? Then we're dead. 713 00:29:57,195 --> 00:29:59,362 Or maybe there's another way we can get his blood type. 714 00:30:00,256 --> 00:30:01,530 Pray tell. 715 00:30:01,649 --> 00:30:04,425 It's not exactly legal, so maybe I shouldn't say anything. 716 00:30:04,427 --> 00:30:06,994 - I didn't hear that. - I never had this conversation. 717 00:30:09,398 --> 00:30:10,948 - Boston Tea Party. - Hey. 718 00:30:11,066 --> 00:30:12,691 No, think about the Boston Tea Party. 719 00:30:12,752 --> 00:30:14,432 What are we dumping? Are we dumping coffee? 720 00:30:16,939 --> 00:30:19,623 ISABEL: I know my own stuff is hard enough to deal with, 721 00:30:19,741 --> 00:30:22,126 but I have no idea how you do it publicly. 722 00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:24,111 You're so resilient. 723 00:30:24,113 --> 00:30:26,130 And that article... 724 00:30:26,224 --> 00:30:28,540 Does Madeline really think that you killed Rosemary? 725 00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,226 I don't know. 726 00:30:32,622 --> 00:30:35,564 I find it a bit ironic that... 727 00:30:35,724 --> 00:30:38,234 that she thinks that I did it, but... 728 00:30:38,394 --> 00:30:39,693 Why? 729 00:30:41,964 --> 00:30:45,223 ♪ You've been forewarned... ♪ 730 00:30:45,243 --> 00:30:46,892 You can tell me. 731 00:30:46,953 --> 00:30:48,786 I won't say anything. 732 00:30:50,248 --> 00:30:51,997 Group code of silence. 733 00:30:55,586 --> 00:31:00,089 The night that... that Rosemary was killed, 734 00:31:00,207 --> 00:31:03,651 before we even knew that she was dead, 735 00:31:03,653 --> 00:31:06,762 everybody's looking for her... 736 00:31:06,881 --> 00:31:09,098 except for Madeline. 737 00:31:09,175 --> 00:31:12,250 - What? - She was... she was just acting so strange. 738 00:31:12,270 --> 00:31:15,938 You know, like she was... she was high or something. 739 00:31:17,333 --> 00:31:20,901 Just looking straight ahead in a haze. 740 00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:28,358 So she didn't help you look? 741 00:31:28,477 --> 00:31:30,027 No, that's the weird thing. 742 00:31:30,145 --> 00:31:31,829 Something was definitely wrong. 743 00:31:33,458 --> 00:31:36,917 Do you think that Madeline might have done something to Rosemary? 744 00:31:39,297 --> 00:31:40,629 No. 745 00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:43,299 I just never understood 746 00:31:43,459 --> 00:31:46,302 why she's acting so strange, you know? 747 00:31:46,378 --> 00:31:50,097 Before anybody even knew that... that Rosemary was killed. 748 00:31:52,426 --> 00:31:54,292 ♪ Oh ♪ 749 00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:56,220 ♪ You've been forewarned ♪ 750 00:31:56,338 --> 00:31:58,981 ♪ I get it my way... ♪ 751 00:31:59,058 --> 00:32:02,485 This isn't exactly the "let's just be friends" pact we just made. 752 00:32:02,561 --> 00:32:05,863 I know. I can't help it. 753 00:32:08,493 --> 00:32:10,809 Me neither. 754 00:32:10,886 --> 00:32:15,072 (INDISTINCT ANNOUNCEMENT OVER P.A.) 755 00:32:15,148 --> 00:32:18,909 Okay, we have to stop or they're gonna throw me out of here. 756 00:32:18,986 --> 00:32:20,986 No, they won't. I took care of it. 757 00:32:21,005 --> 00:32:25,749 (CHUCKLES) You've always had this place wired. 758 00:32:25,867 --> 00:32:28,827 But maybe not for long. 759 00:32:28,888 --> 00:32:30,888 Why? What do you mean? 760 00:32:32,207 --> 00:32:35,184 My parole board hearing got set. 761 00:32:36,521 --> 00:32:38,189 My lawyer actually thinks I'm gonna have a shot 762 00:32:38,213 --> 00:32:40,097 of getting out of here. 763 00:32:40,215 --> 00:32:41,857 (LAUGHS SOFTLY) 764 00:32:42,017 --> 00:32:43,675 Wren, that's amazing. 765 00:32:43,694 --> 00:32:45,361 Is it? 766 00:32:45,521 --> 00:32:47,104 Of course it is. 767 00:32:47,222 --> 00:32:49,365 Madeline... 768 00:32:49,525 --> 00:32:51,942 let's be real. 769 00:32:52,019 --> 00:32:54,111 Do you really see us together out there? 770 00:32:54,229 --> 00:32:57,206 Like, hanging with your pals, meeting your folks? 771 00:32:58,251 --> 00:33:00,209 Yeah, I do. 772 00:33:00,327 --> 00:33:02,711 Okay then. 773 00:33:04,197 --> 00:33:06,715 How many people have you told about me? 774 00:33:08,335 --> 00:33:10,970 (SCOFFS) That's what I thought. 775 00:33:12,890 --> 00:33:15,132 This thing we have between us... 776 00:33:15,226 --> 00:33:16,967 it exists only in here. 777 00:33:17,061 --> 00:33:18,877 I know on the outside 778 00:33:18,896 --> 00:33:21,638 you hide this side of you. I'm not mad about it. 779 00:33:21,732 --> 00:33:24,275 I just... I don't want to be disappointed. 780 00:33:26,904 --> 00:33:30,981 I don't know what's gonna happen between us when you get out. 781 00:33:31,099 --> 00:33:32,741 But can we worry about that later? 782 00:33:32,818 --> 00:33:35,202 All that matters is that you get out of here. 783 00:33:37,672 --> 00:33:41,041 - Get out of here. - Okay. 784 00:33:45,497 --> 00:33:48,073 All of the students organized a search party. 785 00:33:48,092 --> 00:33:51,594 Everyone was looking. Everyone except for her. 786 00:33:53,155 --> 00:33:55,264 I've been looking at this backwards. 787 00:33:55,424 --> 00:33:56,782 I always thought he killed her 788 00:33:56,784 --> 00:33:58,249 and that Madeline was his accomplice. 789 00:33:58,269 --> 00:34:01,812 I never considered that she might've acted alone. 790 00:34:02,857 --> 00:34:04,607 So what now? 791 00:34:05,651 --> 00:34:07,109 Maybe... 792 00:34:08,838 --> 00:34:12,281 ... we make Levi Scott our star witness. 793 00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:21,832 (INDISTINCT ANNOUNCEMENT OVER P.A.) 794 00:34:26,021 --> 00:34:27,688 Oh. Hi. 795 00:34:27,690 --> 00:34:30,115 Sorry. Um, I have a court order 796 00:34:30,134 --> 00:34:32,709 for the medical records of Samuel Marshall 797 00:34:32,828 --> 00:34:35,529 from September 17, 1982. 798 00:34:35,531 --> 00:34:38,215 This is not for Samuel Marshall. 799 00:34:38,333 --> 00:34:40,033 This is for a Betsy Miers. 800 00:34:40,061 --> 00:34:42,886 Oh, my God, really? 801 00:34:43,004 --> 00:34:46,440 I brought the wrong one, and I drove an hour to get here. 802 00:34:47,843 --> 00:34:49,559 You want to save me a two-hour drive? 803 00:34:49,678 --> 00:34:52,896 It's from 37 years ago. I don't even think he's still alive. 804 00:34:52,990 --> 00:34:54,564 Do you mind? 805 00:34:54,659 --> 00:34:56,659 I'll get you a coffee or a doughnut. 806 00:34:56,819 --> 00:34:58,869 - (BOTH CHUCKLE) - All right, let me check. 807 00:35:06,253 --> 00:35:07,819 Excuse me? 808 00:35:07,897 --> 00:35:09,821 You gave me the wrong file. It's his wife's. 809 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,840 It's S. Marshall, 810 00:35:11,917 --> 00:35:13,825 but the "S" is for Sharon, not for Samuel. 811 00:35:13,886 --> 00:35:15,928 Okay, let me look again. 812 00:35:29,193 --> 00:35:33,420 Mr. Marshall, can you describe your relationship with Vanessa Evans? 813 00:35:33,422 --> 00:35:35,364 I wouldn't call it a relationship. 814 00:35:35,482 --> 00:35:36,642 What would you call it, then? 815 00:35:36,725 --> 00:35:38,592 (SIGHS) 816 00:35:38,619 --> 00:35:39,684 Please remember you're under oath. 817 00:35:39,704 --> 00:35:41,778 - We were friends. - As friends, 818 00:35:41,897 --> 00:35:45,449 were you having a sexual relationship with Vanessa? 819 00:35:45,567 --> 00:35:46,691 Objection. Leading the witness. 820 00:35:46,711 --> 00:35:49,119 Sustained. Ms. Scott, your point? 821 00:35:49,237 --> 00:35:51,196 It's coming, Your Honor. 822 00:35:51,215 --> 00:35:54,032 Mr. Marshall, what is your blood type? 823 00:35:54,093 --> 00:35:56,201 Objection. Relevance. 824 00:35:56,262 --> 00:35:57,778 Your Honor, my client was convicted 825 00:35:57,780 --> 00:36:00,781 because her blood type is AB negative, the same blood type 826 00:36:00,783 --> 00:36:03,784 found at the scene of the crime. I think it's relevant to know 827 00:36:03,786 --> 00:36:05,894 what Mr. Marshall's blood type is. 828 00:36:06,054 --> 00:36:08,397 - Please answer the question. - Be happy to answer. 829 00:36:08,557 --> 00:36:10,958 My blood type is O positive. 830 00:36:10,985 --> 00:36:14,194 And do you happen to know the blood type of your wife? 831 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,405 What? 832 00:36:16,565 --> 00:36:19,575 Your wife. What was her blood type? 833 00:36:19,693 --> 00:36:23,394 - I... don't know. - Well, let me tell you. 834 00:36:23,456 --> 00:36:26,231 It was AB negative. 835 00:36:26,308 --> 00:36:28,658 The same blood type found at the crime scene. 836 00:36:28,753 --> 00:36:30,252 (GALLERY MURMURING) 837 00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:32,162 It's also the rarest blood type in the world. 838 00:36:32,256 --> 00:36:34,256 I would like to submit Petitioner's Exhibit A, 839 00:36:34,333 --> 00:36:36,592 a copy of Sharon Marshall's medical file 840 00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:39,094 proving that her blood type was AB negative. 841 00:36:39,213 --> 00:36:42,413 Mr. Marshall, did your wife murder Vanessa Evans? 842 00:36:42,433 --> 00:36:45,083 (GALLERY MURMURING) 843 00:36:45,102 --> 00:36:47,828 My client has spent 37 years behind bars 844 00:36:47,855 --> 00:36:49,087 for a murder she didn't commit, 845 00:36:49,106 --> 00:36:50,866 so will you please tell this court the truth. 846 00:36:52,359 --> 00:36:54,943 For once in your life, will you tell the truth? 847 00:36:55,020 --> 00:36:56,940 Your wife found out about the affair, didn't she? 848 00:36:58,616 --> 00:36:59,907 Didn't she? 849 00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:10,292 When I came home from New York the next day, I... 850 00:37:12,454 --> 00:37:15,297 ... found my wife sitting on the floor. 851 00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:19,134 She was covered in Vanessa's blood. 852 00:37:19,294 --> 00:37:23,864 - (GALLERY GASPING, MURMURING) - My wife was not a killer. 853 00:37:23,866 --> 00:37:25,724 Just that when she found out that I was... 854 00:37:27,812 --> 00:37:29,794 ... having an affair with... 855 00:37:29,814 --> 00:37:31,313 Vanessa... 856 00:37:33,433 --> 00:37:35,058 ... she snapped. 857 00:37:35,135 --> 00:37:38,487 And so you let Cindy Whitman take the fall for a murder 858 00:37:38,605 --> 00:37:40,572 that your wife was responsible for. 859 00:37:42,442 --> 00:37:45,494 You may as well have locked an innocent woman in a cage yourself. 860 00:37:48,557 --> 00:37:52,409 Your Honor, my client has lost her life over a lie. 861 00:37:52,527 --> 00:37:54,461 Can she please go home now? 862 00:37:59,626 --> 00:38:01,159 Ms. Whitman, 863 00:38:01,178 --> 00:38:04,087 based on the newly-discovered evidence presented here today, 864 00:38:04,164 --> 00:38:06,682 it is clear that the State of Illinois owes you an apology. 865 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,094 This court hereby declares you actually innocent. 866 00:38:11,212 --> 00:38:13,564 (GALLERY CHEERING) 867 00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:19,586 Does this mean I get my hormones now? 868 00:38:19,588 --> 00:38:21,029 Yes, it does. 869 00:38:29,264 --> 00:38:30,956 You're gonna be okay out there. 870 00:38:32,601 --> 00:38:36,050 VIOLET: Sometimes it's terrifying to show who we are to the world, 871 00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:38,650 but if we keep our true identity a secret, 872 00:38:38,651 --> 00:38:43,719 it can mutate and form a disease that can kill you... 873 00:38:43,837 --> 00:38:47,631 or, even worse, the people around you. 874 00:38:47,725 --> 00:38:50,784 We have to be true to ourselves, 875 00:38:50,786 --> 00:38:52,710 or we could end up hurting 876 00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:54,813 the people we love most. 877 00:38:57,126 --> 00:39:00,127 - Ira, hi. - Hey. So? 878 00:39:00,154 --> 00:39:02,979 Um, I've been thinking about your job offer a lot. 879 00:39:03,098 --> 00:39:06,133 - Great. What do you think? - Have a seat. 880 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,651 - Okay. - So I would be totally lying 881 00:39:10,652 --> 00:39:15,475 if I didn't say that working for you would be a dream come true. 882 00:39:15,477 --> 00:39:17,753 But if I'm being honest, 883 00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:19,980 I'm already living my dream. 884 00:39:19,982 --> 00:39:21,815 I'm a wrongful conviction advocate, 885 00:39:21,817 --> 00:39:24,409 I am a investigator, 886 00:39:24,428 --> 00:39:26,744 it turns out I'm a truth seeker. 887 00:39:26,764 --> 00:39:28,913 I think that I only do the podcast 888 00:39:28,933 --> 00:39:31,324 so that I can shine a light on the issues, 889 00:39:31,326 --> 00:39:33,677 - not so that I can be famous. - Yeah. 890 00:39:33,795 --> 00:39:35,270 I want to stay here, on the ground, 891 00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:37,998 working to get innocent people released, 892 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,258 because that is my purpose. 893 00:39:40,277 --> 00:39:43,278 - I hope you can understand that. - I do, I mean, 894 00:39:43,397 --> 00:39:47,691 I do, totally. I mean, sort of. I mean, it's totally great. 895 00:39:47,785 --> 00:39:49,901 Like, this is your life's purpose. 896 00:39:49,954 --> 00:39:52,140 But maybe a big mistake? Like, from my perspective, like, 897 00:39:52,164 --> 00:39:55,198 I don't know, maybe you're making a big, terrible mistake. 898 00:39:55,275 --> 00:39:58,126 I don't know. But you need to do what you need to do, 899 00:39:58,245 --> 00:40:01,279 and so, I... I respect that that's what you need to do, 900 00:40:01,298 --> 00:40:03,948 so, um, so good luck. 901 00:40:03,968 --> 00:40:05,375 - Thanks. - Yeah. 902 00:40:05,493 --> 00:40:07,452 Obviously, from this point forward, you know, 903 00:40:07,471 --> 00:40:10,806 our podcasts... we're enemies and all, so... 904 00:40:10,882 --> 00:40:12,215 You know I'm kidding, right? 905 00:40:12,333 --> 00:40:15,035 - I do. - Like, seriously, good luck. 906 00:40:15,062 --> 00:40:16,269 - Thanks. - Okay. 907 00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:26,321 (KNOCKING) 908 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,324 Did you tell him you're not gonna do it? 909 00:40:29,484 --> 00:40:30,951 Yeah. 910 00:40:32,162 --> 00:40:34,221 Am I making a terrible mistake? 911 00:40:34,223 --> 00:40:36,223 Eh... 912 00:40:36,225 --> 00:40:38,225 I mean, 913 00:40:38,227 --> 00:40:40,227 I'm sure you would've had a great time hobnobbing 914 00:40:40,229 --> 00:40:41,652 with the New York City elite 915 00:40:41,672 --> 00:40:43,897 and eating at the best restaurants in the world, 916 00:40:43,899 --> 00:40:47,676 living your life like a joyous 1950s movie montage, 917 00:40:47,753 --> 00:40:50,637 but if you did all that, guess who wouldn't be there? 918 00:40:51,757 --> 00:40:55,258 - You. (CHUCKLES) - That's right, this guy. 919 00:40:55,376 --> 00:40:58,020 Yeah, I want you here, 920 00:40:58,138 --> 00:41:00,004 but this firm needs you here. 921 00:41:00,082 --> 00:41:02,024 And as the chairman of the board said, 922 00:41:02,142 --> 00:41:03,917 "Chicago is my kind of town." 923 00:41:03,919 --> 00:41:06,445 It's my kind of town, too. 924 00:41:08,106 --> 00:41:11,849 ("MY KIND OF TOWN" BY JULIE LONDON PLAYING) 925 00:41:11,869 --> 00:41:13,760 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 926 00:41:13,787 --> 00:41:18,189 ♪ My kind of town ♪ 927 00:41:18,208 --> 00:41:21,434 ♪ Chicago is ♪ 928 00:41:21,462 --> 00:41:24,862 ♪ My kind of town ♪ 929 00:41:24,882 --> 00:41:28,383 ♪ Chicago is ♪ 930 00:41:28,460 --> 00:41:31,444 ♪ My kind ♪ 931 00:41:31,446 --> 00:41:33,780 ♪ Of people, too ♪ 932 00:41:33,782 --> 00:41:35,949 ♪ People who... ♪ 933 00:41:35,951 --> 00:41:37,375 How you doing, Cindy? 934 00:41:37,394 --> 00:41:38,635 ♪ Smile at you... ♪ 935 00:41:38,729 --> 00:41:40,637 I shouldn't even be here. 936 00:41:40,731 --> 00:41:42,789 I should be dead, too. 937 00:41:42,791 --> 00:41:45,308 We all lost so much in the fire, 938 00:41:45,426 --> 00:41:47,385 but we're still here. 939 00:41:47,404 --> 00:41:50,297 You finally down for us girls now? 940 00:41:50,299 --> 00:41:53,075 I am so sorry, Cindy. 941 00:41:53,151 --> 00:41:55,560 We were so consumed trying to protect ourselves, 942 00:41:55,621 --> 00:41:58,455 we lost sight of what the fight was about. 943 00:42:00,459 --> 00:42:02,659 It's okay, sweetie. 944 00:42:02,777 --> 00:42:06,254 It's time for all of us queens to move on. 945 00:42:06,373 --> 00:42:08,256 Welcome home, Cindy. 946 00:42:13,171 --> 00:42:17,432 ♪ My kind of town ♪ 947 00:42:17,551 --> 00:42:20,185 ♪ Chicago is ♪ 948 00:42:21,438 --> 00:42:24,848 ♪ My kind of town ♪ 949 00:42:24,966 --> 00:42:27,667 ♪ Chicago is ♪ 950 00:42:27,694 --> 00:42:30,928 ♪ My kind ♪ 951 00:42:30,948 --> 00:42:34,691 ♪ Of razzmatazz ♪ 952 00:42:34,785 --> 00:42:38,528 ♪ And it has all that jazz... ♪ 953 00:42:38,622 --> 00:42:40,013 HELEN: Hey, Maddie. 954 00:42:40,015 --> 00:42:43,183 - Hi, Mom. How are you? - I'm good, how are you? 955 00:42:43,185 --> 00:42:44,851 I'm good. 956 00:42:44,853 --> 00:42:47,129 I just called to tell you that I'm bisexual 957 00:42:47,289 --> 00:42:48,755 and I'm dating a woman. 958 00:42:50,792 --> 00:42:52,467 - Mom? - Um... 959 00:42:52,627 --> 00:42:56,363 th... that's very interesting. When can we meet her? 960 00:42:56,365 --> 00:42:58,548 That's a bit tricky because she's in prison, 961 00:42:58,625 --> 00:43:00,642 but she might be paroled soon. 962 00:43:03,597 --> 00:43:05,564 Mom? 963 00:43:07,042 --> 00:43:09,042 Mom? 964 00:43:10,744 --> 00:43:16,300 _ 965 00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:21,496 ♪ There's a dark cloud in everybody's sunlight ♪ 966 00:43:21,615 --> 00:43:23,390 ♪ And I am her ♪ 967 00:43:23,392 --> 00:43:26,226 ♪ I am her ♪ 968 00:43:26,253 --> 00:43:29,062 ♪ Oh, no ♪ 969 00:43:29,089 --> 00:43:32,732 ♪ I am her ♪ 970 00:43:32,759 --> 00:43:36,827 ♪ All that glitters isn't gold ♪ 971 00:43:36,847 --> 00:43:40,740 ♪ At least that's what I've been told ♪ 972 00:43:40,742 --> 00:43:44,352 ♪ I got so many issues and problems that I go through ♪ 973 00:43:44,429 --> 00:43:47,096 ♪ Sometimes I can't sleep at night ♪ 974 00:43:47,191 --> 00:43:50,934 ♪ If I hide my face... ♪ 975 00:43:50,935 --> 00:43:55,048 - Synced and corrected by chamallow - - www.addic7ed.com - 74658

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