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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,990 --> 00:00:02,700 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:06,710 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:06,770 --> 00:00:08,610 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:08,670 --> 00:00:11,440 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,500 --> 00:00:12,740 These are their stories. 6 00:00:17,510 --> 00:00:22,150 Unbelievable. That moron in 6B still doesn't recycle. 7 00:00:22,210 --> 00:00:23,890 The building could get a citation. 8 00:00:23,950 --> 00:00:26,290 I should drop these on his doorstep. What do you think? 9 00:00:26,350 --> 00:00:27,890 Don't be such a stone-crusher, Frank. 10 00:00:27,950 --> 00:00:29,400 He's just having a rough time, is all. 11 00:00:29,460 --> 00:00:31,260 What are you talking about? How do you know? 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,670 Help-wanted section. Circled ads. 13 00:00:33,730 --> 00:00:37,900 Come on, look. He's got kids to support, huh? 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,600 So, cut the guy a little slack, all right? 15 00:00:39,670 --> 00:00:41,340 You're always so quick to Judge people. 16 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,140 Yeah, well, if he is not responsible enough to recycle, 17 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,150 it's probably why he lost his job in the first place. 18 00:00:47,870 --> 00:00:50,380 Miguel, give me your cell phone. 19 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,290 Frank, you're not gonna call him now, are you? 20 00:00:52,340 --> 00:00:54,450 No, no, we got a real problem here. 21 00:00:59,050 --> 00:01:01,030 I didn't know we were selling tickets to this one. 22 00:01:01,090 --> 00:01:03,730 They all live on the block, Detective, they just wanna know what's going on. 23 00:01:03,790 --> 00:01:04,930 Yeah, well, unless they're witnesses, 24 00:01:04,990 --> 00:01:06,590 they're gonna have to read about it in the paper tomorrow. 25 00:01:06,660 --> 00:01:09,040 All right, you got it. All right everybody, let's go. 26 00:01:09,090 --> 00:01:10,510 I'm sorry, you gotta move it back. 27 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,170 What's the flavor this morning? 28 00:01:12,230 --> 00:01:14,970 Stabbing. Couple of maintenance men over there found her under 29 00:01:15,030 --> 00:01:16,340 a pile of trash bags. 30 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,850 She been out here all night? 31 00:01:17,900 --> 00:01:20,680 Body temp's ice cold. Looks like multiple wounds. 32 00:01:20,740 --> 00:01:21,980 Did you get an ID? 33 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,450 Haven't found a purse or a wallet yet. 34 00:01:23,510 --> 00:01:27,290 Wait a minute. Movie tickets. From the Trudeau. 35 00:01:27,380 --> 00:01:29,550 The art house? That's a couple of blocks from here. 36 00:01:29,620 --> 00:01:31,030 8:00 p.m. show last night. 37 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,900 All right. So, she got out around 10:00, 10:30, she's on her way home... 38 00:01:34,950 --> 00:01:37,870 Runs into the wrong guy... Show's over. 39 00:02:29,580 --> 00:02:31,180 This woman's really dead, huh? 40 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,090 Well, it ain't a bad hair day. 41 00:02:33,150 --> 00:02:37,620 I sell, like, 200 tickets a night. That's pretty hard, just to remember one person. 42 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,750 Okay, what if this woman bought them with a credit card? 43 00:02:39,820 --> 00:02:41,230 Do you have a stub? Uh-huh. 44 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,360 Yeah, actually, these were bought through Moviefone. 45 00:02:44,420 --> 00:02:46,300 It'll just take a minute. 46 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:47,500 If you know the name of the person 47 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,440 you'd like to ID, press one. 48 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,270 This is the one she saw. Yeah, Les Artistes d'Amour. 49 00:02:54,330 --> 00:02:57,640 The painter shows why passion is the highest form of art. 50 00:02:57,700 --> 00:02:59,080 Sound like a date movie. 51 00:02:59,140 --> 00:03:00,950 Sounds like I'm home watching the Knicks game. 52 00:03:01,140 --> 00:03:03,750 Well... Two tickets. She had to go with somebody. 53 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,210 Here you go. 54 00:03:05,710 --> 00:03:08,090 The person's name on the credit card is Tracy Conley. 55 00:03:08,150 --> 00:03:09,390 Hey, can I keep this? 56 00:03:09,450 --> 00:03:12,360 Uh, would you just spell the name for us, please? 57 00:03:14,090 --> 00:03:16,530 PATRICIA: Tracy was supposed to come by for dinner tonight. 58 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,000 Her message is still on the machine. 59 00:03:20,830 --> 00:03:24,330 It was so rare that we actually got a chance to see our daughter these days. 60 00:03:25,060 --> 00:03:26,100 Why is that? 61 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,740 Tracy just finished her PhD in psychology. 62 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,540 She was always working so hard. 63 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,080 Yeah, we saw the diploma in her apartment. Columbia? 64 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,380 She followed in her father's footsteps. 65 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,580 You're a psychologist? 66 00:03:39,650 --> 00:03:42,590 I mostly teach. I don't have a practice anymore. 67 00:03:42,910 --> 00:03:46,160 (SOBS) Her whole life, she just wanted to help people. 68 00:03:47,250 --> 00:03:49,730 How God could take away somebody like that. 69 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,640 We're very sorry, ma'am. I know how hard it is to lose a daughter. 70 00:03:55,690 --> 00:03:57,470 Who did this to her? 71 00:03:57,530 --> 00:03:58,740 ED: Right now, we don't know. 72 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,270 But we think she may have gone to the movies with someone prior to the attack. 73 00:04:02,730 --> 00:04:03,840 Who? 74 00:04:03,900 --> 00:04:07,580 We don't know that either. Right now, we're hoping to find this person 75 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,280 and that he or she may be able 76 00:04:09,340 --> 00:04:11,250 to provide us information about what happened. 77 00:04:11,980 --> 00:04:15,550 Are there any names that pop into your head? Maybe a boyfriend? 78 00:04:15,610 --> 00:04:18,720 Tracy never really shared much about her personal life. 79 00:04:22,490 --> 00:04:24,300 She was 34, 80 00:04:25,990 --> 00:04:28,340 and we wanted to see her get married and have kids. 81 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,630 I think she just got tired of us asking. 82 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:35,870 Was there anybody that you might have asked about recently? 83 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,250 Last time she said something about someone who coached basketball. 84 00:04:41,970 --> 00:04:43,540 At a high school, I think. 85 00:04:44,610 --> 00:04:48,520 But I don't think it was very serious. 86 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,530 (WHISTLE BLOWING) 87 00:04:59,660 --> 00:05:01,600 Sorry about that, I just wanted to get practice started. 88 00:05:01,660 --> 00:05:02,660 It's okay. 89 00:05:03,230 --> 00:05:06,210 Like I was saying, Tracy and I went out a few months. 90 00:05:06,260 --> 00:05:07,870 When's the last time you saw her? 91 00:05:07,930 --> 00:05:10,310 Maybe four, five weeks ago. 92 00:05:10,370 --> 00:05:13,870 Was this a serious thing? I mean, you just seem pretty upset. 93 00:05:14,970 --> 00:05:17,210 Well, there was just some unfinished business between us. 94 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:20,310 Unfinished business? I was never quite sure why she left. 95 00:05:21,350 --> 00:05:22,720 Oh, so she broke it off. 96 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:24,690 First few months everything was great. 97 00:05:24,750 --> 00:05:28,790 Then Tracy, she just backed the hell off. Stopped returning my calls. 98 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,800 Guess now I'll never have the chance to find out why. 99 00:05:32,420 --> 00:05:34,800 Is it possible there was somebody else? 100 00:05:34,860 --> 00:05:36,570 Could have been 10 other guys, for all I know. 101 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:41,270 You never could tell with Tracy. She was pretty hard to read sometimes. 102 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,310 Where were you last night, Matt? Home. 103 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:46,010 Anybody with you? 104 00:05:46,070 --> 00:05:50,520 No. I live alone. I spoke to a couple of friends on the phone. 105 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:53,550 I'm sure there's a way you guys can check on that, or something. 106 00:05:57,150 --> 00:05:59,690 You know what the last thing I said to her was? 107 00:05:59,750 --> 00:06:00,750 ED: What's that? 108 00:06:02,690 --> 00:06:04,060 Have a good life. 109 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,370 Tracy Conley, 34 years young. 110 00:06:08,430 --> 00:06:10,240 Just finished her dissertation. 111 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:12,780 Had a therapy practice up on 60th Street. 112 00:06:12,830 --> 00:06:17,280 The preliminary M.E. report puts time of death sometime around 11:00,11:30. 113 00:06:17,340 --> 00:06:19,510 Cause was multiple stab wounds to the upper torso. 114 00:06:19,570 --> 00:06:21,850 Multiple as in how many? Nine. 115 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,650 So we're looking for an overachiever. 116 00:06:24,710 --> 00:06:27,990 What about witnesses? Anyone find a weapon? 117 00:06:28,050 --> 00:06:29,420 We should be so lucky. 118 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,590 Nine stab wounds. What about an EDP? 119 00:06:32,650 --> 00:06:34,100 You talk to the precinct yet? 120 00:06:34,150 --> 00:06:37,660 Unfortunately for us, the neighborhood has a clean bill of mental health. 121 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,860 Do we at least know who she went to the movies with? 122 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:43,140 Well, the ex that we talked to was at home with an alibi. 123 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,570 He couldn't tell us whether she was seeing somebody else or not. 124 00:06:46,030 --> 00:06:47,440 So, what's next? 125 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:48,880 Well, talk to the parents again. 126 00:06:48,930 --> 00:06:50,970 See if we can find out who her girlfriends were. 127 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,850 If she met someone new, she may have told one of them. 128 00:06:54,310 --> 00:06:55,480 All right. 129 00:06:56,170 --> 00:06:58,210 Tracy didn't stay in relationships very long. 130 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:00,260 You mean like with Matt? 131 00:07:00,850 --> 00:07:02,920 He made the classic mistake they all did with her. 132 00:07:02,980 --> 00:07:03,980 Which was what? 133 00:07:04,420 --> 00:07:05,690 He cared. 134 00:07:06,420 --> 00:07:09,920 Tracy had a commitment problem. 135 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,070 Whenever anyone got too close for comfort, she'd push them away. 136 00:07:14,130 --> 00:07:16,440 Just what you look for in a therapist. 137 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:18,340 It never interfered with her work. 138 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:21,210 Actually, in a way, it gave her a little more insight into people. 139 00:07:21,270 --> 00:07:24,870 Okay, what about other exes. I mean, did she generally leave them on good terms? 140 00:07:24,940 --> 00:07:27,420 There weren't any stalkers hanging around, if that's what you're asking. 141 00:07:27,470 --> 00:07:30,040 Was there anybody new on the scene? 142 00:07:30,110 --> 00:07:33,110 Somebody she might have gone to the movies with Monday night? 143 00:07:33,180 --> 00:07:36,250 A new guy? No, I would have heard about that. 144 00:07:37,550 --> 00:07:39,150 Wait a minute. You said Monday night? 145 00:07:39,220 --> 00:07:40,250 BRISCOE: Right. 146 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,420 Tracy always spent Mondays with her little sister. 147 00:07:43,090 --> 00:07:46,230 Her parents never mentioned anything about her having a sister. 148 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,300 Tracy and Monique weren't related. 149 00:07:55,730 --> 00:07:58,840 We tell everyone interested in volunteering for Mentor Alliance 150 00:07:58,900 --> 00:08:01,850 that it's more than just taking a kid out to lunch once a week. 151 00:08:01,910 --> 00:08:04,410 You are looking at a potential five-to-10 year commitment. 152 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:05,960 That must weed out a lot of people. 153 00:08:06,340 --> 00:08:08,150 It's definitely not for everyone. 154 00:08:08,210 --> 00:08:10,250 Tracy was the perfect candidate though. 155 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,390 Why is that? She had roots here. 156 00:08:13,020 --> 00:08:16,400 Steady job. I remember her interview, too. 157 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,690 She said that she wanted the most difficult girl we had. 158 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:20,790 ED: Really? 159 00:08:20,860 --> 00:08:23,600 She said the whole point of volunteering was to help someone 160 00:08:23,660 --> 00:08:25,200 before they fell through the cracks. 161 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,910 Monique Thomas, 15. 162 00:08:28,830 --> 00:08:30,840 Father was killed when she was 11. 163 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,080 Discipline problems in school. 164 00:08:33,140 --> 00:08:34,580 Sounds like a tough customer. 165 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,240 She had three previous mentors 166 00:08:36,310 --> 00:08:37,840 prior to her placement with Tracy. 167 00:08:38,410 --> 00:08:39,650 How was it going? 168 00:08:39,710 --> 00:08:40,950 There were some rough spots, 169 00:08:41,010 --> 00:08:43,390 but Tracy said that she wanted to stick with it. 170 00:08:45,650 --> 00:08:47,150 And you guys tried her at home? 171 00:08:47,220 --> 00:08:49,820 No. We had this strange notion that, in the middle of the day, 172 00:08:49,890 --> 00:08:52,200 a 15-year-old might actually be in school. 173 00:08:52,260 --> 00:08:55,830 Monique doesn't exactly make education a priority in her schedule. 174 00:08:55,890 --> 00:08:57,340 When was the last time she was here? 175 00:08:58,230 --> 00:09:00,570 Tuesday. Day after the murder. 176 00:09:03,070 --> 00:09:05,980 As you can see, she doesn't exactly spend a lot of time here. 177 00:09:08,170 --> 00:09:10,080 This has gotta be the boyfriend. 178 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:13,090 Recognize this guy? 179 00:09:14,180 --> 00:09:15,660 Andre Suarez. 180 00:09:15,710 --> 00:09:18,130 He was a senior until he dropped out a month ago. 181 00:09:18,420 --> 00:09:20,230 What are the chances these two love birds 182 00:09:20,290 --> 00:09:21,660 are together right now? 183 00:09:24,490 --> 00:09:25,630 Yeah? 184 00:09:25,990 --> 00:09:27,060 Monique here? 185 00:09:27,130 --> 00:09:28,500 Who? Monique. 186 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:30,940 Then one whose name's all over your chest, Romeo. 187 00:09:31,830 --> 00:09:33,040 No, man, she ain't here. 188 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:35,140 BRISCOE: We already tried her house. 189 00:09:36,330 --> 00:09:39,010 You know the age of consent for somebody in this state, Andre? 190 00:09:42,270 --> 00:09:44,180 Monique? Who are you? 191 00:09:44,710 --> 00:09:47,520 We're not truant officers. So, what do you want? 192 00:09:47,580 --> 00:09:48,580 You gotta take a ride with us. 193 00:09:48,650 --> 00:09:50,960 We need to ask you some questions about Tracy Conley. 194 00:09:51,020 --> 00:09:53,000 Hey, yo, man, you can't be asking her no questions, man. 195 00:09:53,050 --> 00:09:54,050 She's only 15. 196 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,930 Oh, so you Johnnie Cochrane now? Shut up. 197 00:09:55,990 --> 00:09:58,730 Don't worry about it, slick. We already talked to her mom. 198 00:09:58,790 --> 00:10:00,100 You called my mother? 199 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,200 Yeah, she's waiting for us down at the precinct. Come on. 200 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:07,240 If my daughter said she went to the movies with Tracy, and then straight home, 201 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:08,640 then that's what happened. 202 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:10,150 Ms. Thomas, if you don't let Monique answer the... 203 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,510 She doesn't need to. 204 00:10:12,170 --> 00:10:13,710 Look, are we done here? 205 00:10:14,170 --> 00:10:15,580 I gotta get back to work. 206 00:10:20,150 --> 00:10:23,250 She makes legal aid feel like a day at the beach. 207 00:10:23,310 --> 00:10:24,790 Let me take a shot. 208 00:10:24,850 --> 00:10:26,090 She's all yours. 209 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,340 Ms. Thomas. Monique. 210 00:10:34,930 --> 00:10:36,500 I'm Lieutenant Van Buren. 211 00:10:36,590 --> 00:10:39,600 Oh, great. So you gonna tell us we can't leave now? 212 00:10:39,660 --> 00:10:42,340 'Cause if you think you're gonna rail road my daughter, you're not. 213 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,240 No one's trying to rail road anyone. 214 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:45,910 Well, then this is just a waste of time. 215 00:10:45,970 --> 00:10:47,610 Well, I know how it can feel that way, 216 00:10:47,670 --> 00:10:50,880 especially since you probably don't have a lot of free time either, do you? 217 00:10:50,940 --> 00:10:52,250 That's right. 218 00:10:52,310 --> 00:10:56,090 Look, I'm a working mother raising two boys. I know how hard it is. 219 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,460 Why do you think your mother does that, Monique? 220 00:11:00,750 --> 00:11:02,930 So you can have a better life. 221 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,970 Same reason she probably got you the mentor, right? 222 00:11:06,390 --> 00:11:07,430 Tracy was a good influence. 223 00:11:07,490 --> 00:11:09,060 I'm sure she was. 224 00:11:09,130 --> 00:11:12,300 But what I can't figure out is if Tracy helped Monique, 225 00:11:12,700 --> 00:11:15,040 why you won't let Monique help Tracy now? 226 00:11:15,570 --> 00:11:17,810 Because she doesn't know anything. 227 00:11:18,370 --> 00:11:21,610 Well, now, see, I think maybe she does know something 228 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,520 and is just afraid to say. 229 00:11:24,580 --> 00:11:27,990 And if you want to protect your daughter, Ms. Thomas, 230 00:11:28,310 --> 00:11:33,320 she needs to tell us the truth, right here, right now. 231 00:11:40,430 --> 00:11:41,930 Look at me. 232 00:11:43,090 --> 00:11:45,370 You telling the whole story here? 233 00:11:46,230 --> 00:11:47,970 Don't you look away from me. 234 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,380 You wanna earn respect in this world, you look a person in the eye 235 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:52,850 when they ask you a question. 236 00:11:55,210 --> 00:11:56,310 Now, 237 00:11:57,580 --> 00:12:01,080 do you know anything about what happened to Tracy? 238 00:12:14,030 --> 00:12:18,200 He was just supposed to grab her purse, not kill her. 239 00:12:19,830 --> 00:12:21,670 VAN BUREN: Who are you talking about, Monique? 240 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:26,640 His name's Arnold. 241 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:28,840 What else can you tell me about him? 242 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:33,610 I just have his cell number. That's all I know. 243 00:12:35,610 --> 00:12:37,520 Mom, I'm so sorry. 244 00:12:48,130 --> 00:12:50,160 ED: It's cold out here. Try him again. 245 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,010 Yo, Arnold. What's up, man? It's E.D., Monique's friend. 246 00:13:00,070 --> 00:13:01,240 You said 10 minutes. 247 00:13:01,310 --> 00:13:03,220 Turn around. Yo. 248 00:13:03,710 --> 00:13:05,880 So, what you want? Weed, coke? 249 00:13:05,940 --> 00:13:07,620 Just a little bit of... (GRUNTS) 250 00:13:08,780 --> 00:13:12,280 Down on the ground! One more step and you're dead! Get down! 251 00:13:12,350 --> 00:13:14,690 You okay? Yeah, man. Get up! 252 00:13:15,450 --> 00:13:16,560 Assaulting a police officer. 253 00:13:16,620 --> 00:13:17,830 You're in big leagues now, bro. 254 00:13:18,620 --> 00:13:19,620 Spread 'em! 255 00:13:23,430 --> 00:13:26,340 Give me that. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's a base hit. 256 00:13:28,270 --> 00:13:31,210 Check this out Tracy Conley. 257 00:13:31,270 --> 00:13:33,310 You just hit one out of the park, kid. 258 00:13:35,610 --> 00:13:36,920 BRISCOE: Down. 259 00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:44,990 Looks like Arnold here's been a guest of ours before, Lennie. 260 00:13:45,050 --> 00:13:48,000 Apparently, he beat up a girlfriend, took 1-to-3 for it. 261 00:13:48,390 --> 00:13:51,990 Well, Arnold, let me just say on behalf of the New York City Police Department, 262 00:13:52,060 --> 00:13:54,160 it's a pleasure to have you back with us. 263 00:13:54,230 --> 00:13:56,260 ED: You got a history of assaulting women, huh? 264 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,970 Yeah, that's me. 265 00:14:00,030 --> 00:14:01,640 They make easy targets, don't they? 266 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:03,110 Especially for somebody as big as you. 267 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,110 That's what you were thinking 268 00:14:05,170 --> 00:14:06,270 when you saw Tracy Conley, right? 269 00:14:06,340 --> 00:14:09,110 Who? The woman Monique set up for you. 270 00:14:11,940 --> 00:14:14,150 Mmm-hmm. That's right. She gave you up. 271 00:14:15,150 --> 00:14:17,130 Okay, so now what? 272 00:14:17,180 --> 00:14:18,920 BRISCOE: So, you're admitting you robbed her? 273 00:14:18,980 --> 00:14:20,930 You already have the plastic. 274 00:14:21,190 --> 00:14:22,890 And that woman's probably in there right now, 275 00:14:22,950 --> 00:14:24,730 pointing her finger at me. What woman? 276 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,260 The one I took off, Tracy. 277 00:14:27,330 --> 00:14:28,800 Oh, so now you crazy? 278 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,360 Look, I already confessed. Y'all need to back up off me 279 00:14:32,430 --> 00:14:33,840 and tell me what the damn plea is. 280 00:14:33,900 --> 00:14:36,310 Tracy's not in there because you killed her, Arnold. 281 00:14:37,340 --> 00:14:38,610 What are you talking about? 282 00:14:38,670 --> 00:14:41,550 You stabbed her nine times, Arnold, you think she was gonna live? 283 00:14:41,610 --> 00:14:42,980 No, I didn't stab nobody. 284 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,080 You took her money, and when she resisted you stuck that knife... 285 00:14:45,140 --> 00:14:46,420 No, I didn't do nothing! 286 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,460 If I gotta knock your head on all four of these walls, I will. 287 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,560 Look, I split when some guy ran up to try to help her. 288 00:14:52,620 --> 00:14:54,690 I swear, I don't know nothing about her being dead. 289 00:14:54,750 --> 00:14:55,750 VAN BUREN: Detective! 290 00:14:57,190 --> 00:14:58,530 Let him go. 291 00:15:09,170 --> 00:15:11,480 You wanna tell me what the hell happened in there? 292 00:15:11,540 --> 00:15:13,680 Kid got a little personal when we collared him. 293 00:15:13,940 --> 00:15:15,010 And? 294 00:15:15,070 --> 00:15:16,880 And I was trying to get a statement. 295 00:15:16,940 --> 00:15:19,220 Preliminary forensics on his knife. 296 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,760 It wasn't the murder weapon. 297 00:15:21,250 --> 00:15:24,160 The kid's still got a record for this kind of thing, Lou. 298 00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:26,420 Fine. We'll hold him on the robbery for now. 299 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,520 But in the meantime, we just got a call 300 00:15:28,590 --> 00:15:30,830 from Conley's office. Something's going on there, 301 00:15:30,890 --> 00:15:32,960 and you two need to check it out right away. 302 00:15:39,300 --> 00:15:42,040 We got here and these two therapists are arguing, 303 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:44,340 accusing each other for stealing from your vic. 304 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,440 We figured it's your case, you sort it out. 305 00:15:48,670 --> 00:15:51,120 Okay, who wants to tell us what happened? 306 00:15:51,610 --> 00:15:52,850 (BOTH ARGUING) 307 00:15:52,910 --> 00:15:55,150 Whoa, whoa. One doc: at a time. 308 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,260 Last night, Tracy's parents called me to ask if I could 309 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,590 come in and pack up her belongings. 310 00:15:59,650 --> 00:16:00,860 You never told me that. 311 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,560 Wait a minute. Who actually works in this office? 312 00:16:02,620 --> 00:16:03,660 There are three of us. 313 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,670 Myself, Dr. McBride, and Tracy. 314 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,260 We see clients different days, split the rent. 315 00:16:07,330 --> 00:16:10,430 Yeah, but the rule is you're not allowed to come in when you are not seeing patients. 316 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:11,570 So, that's what this is about? 317 00:16:11,630 --> 00:16:13,010 Your boundaries being violated? 318 00:16:13,060 --> 00:16:15,010 I came in, the office door was open, 319 00:16:15,070 --> 00:16:17,210 Dr. Gerring was packing up Tracy's laptop. 320 00:16:17,270 --> 00:16:18,540 BRISCOE: Is that right? Yes, but I... 321 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,640 I told him to stop, but he refused. 322 00:16:20,940 --> 00:16:22,610 Said it was none of my business. 323 00:16:22,670 --> 00:16:24,350 That's when I called the cops. 324 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:27,480 Dr. Gerring, you are aware that there's a criminal investigation 325 00:16:27,550 --> 00:16:30,050 going on regarding Tracy Conley's murder? 326 00:16:30,110 --> 00:16:31,750 I was just trying to save some research. 327 00:16:31,820 --> 00:16:32,990 ED: What research? 328 00:16:35,290 --> 00:16:38,170 Tracy and I had been working on a book for over a year. 329 00:16:38,220 --> 00:16:39,260 (SCOFFS) 330 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,530 We were trying to keep it quiet until we had a publisher, 331 00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:43,730 lest anyone steal our idea. 332 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,300 You two see other patients, or you just treat each other? 333 00:16:47,770 --> 00:16:51,140 So, you saw Tracy regularly outside this office? 334 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:52,840 We'd meet, we'd work over the Internet. 335 00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:55,380 BRISCOE: When you heard about Tracy's murder, your first reaction 336 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,220 was to worry about your research? 337 00:16:58,180 --> 00:17:01,060 I know how it sounds, but we put a lot of work into this project. 338 00:17:01,110 --> 00:17:02,350 Tracy would have wanted me to finish. 339 00:17:02,410 --> 00:17:03,720 And you'll take all the credit. 340 00:17:03,780 --> 00:17:06,020 Well, we're still gonna have to take this. 341 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,890 GERRING: But I haven't downloaded the files yet. 342 00:17:08,290 --> 00:17:09,990 If I were you, I'd be more concerned about 343 00:17:10,050 --> 00:17:13,400 downloading the details of your alibi for Monday night. 344 00:17:15,430 --> 00:17:17,930 And we're sure Gerring's relationship with Conley 345 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,200 was strictly professional? 346 00:17:19,260 --> 00:17:20,260 His wife seems to think so. 347 00:17:20,330 --> 00:17:22,500 Also, his alibi checks out. 348 00:17:22,570 --> 00:17:25,550 Hotel receipts and airline tickets prove he was in Boston 349 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,010 at the time of the murder. 350 00:17:27,070 --> 00:17:28,450 I'd still like another crack at Arnold. 351 00:17:28,510 --> 00:17:32,820 Well, he lawyered up once Monique agreed to cooperate against him for the robbery. 352 00:17:33,580 --> 00:17:36,490 Look, he's not going anywhere, Detective. 353 00:17:36,550 --> 00:17:39,960 You find a murder weapon or a witness, I'll bring it to the D.A. 354 00:17:40,020 --> 00:17:43,590 In the meantime, we follow this investigation where it leads us. 355 00:17:43,650 --> 00:17:46,570 Now, what was so important about this research 356 00:17:46,620 --> 00:17:48,970 that Gerring tried to steal her computer? 357 00:17:49,030 --> 00:17:51,600 Some psychology study he says they were working on. 358 00:17:51,660 --> 00:17:53,730 A study about what? We're not sure. 359 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,180 Well, keep digging into what's left of her personal life 360 00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:57,910 or get someone to check out this research. 361 00:17:57,970 --> 00:18:00,680 Maybe there's a patient worth taking a look at. 362 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,880 DR. SKODA: Certainly a wide cross-section of subjects 363 00:18:06,940 --> 00:18:08,450 your therapist had in this study. 364 00:18:08,510 --> 00:18:11,220 ED: We were hoping that somebody would just pop out at you. 365 00:18:11,820 --> 00:18:14,260 If I could've gotten into her individual session files, maybe, 366 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,130 but those are all password protected. 367 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,330 The only thing that's readable are her general notes. 368 00:18:19,790 --> 00:18:21,900 Anything interesting at least? 369 00:18:22,590 --> 00:18:25,100 Basically, those notes are clinical assessments of 370 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,040 forty something males and females who correspond to research 371 00:18:28,100 --> 00:18:30,740 on early socialization attributed to pre-school exposure. 372 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,910 You lost me after "basically." 373 00:18:33,670 --> 00:18:36,620 Your shrink was trying to predict anti-social behavior 374 00:18:36,670 --> 00:18:39,310 by looking at her subjects' early childhood experience. 375 00:18:39,380 --> 00:18:42,880 Did she predict that somebody would grow up and murder their therapist? 376 00:18:43,850 --> 00:18:45,790 You'd have to get into her actual session notes. 377 00:18:45,850 --> 00:18:47,160 That's where any clues would be. 378 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:48,660 BRISCOE: What kind of clues? 379 00:18:49,220 --> 00:18:51,670 First thing I'd look for would be some sort of physical abuse. 380 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:52,830 Possibly sexual. 381 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:56,830 And because the nature of your murder was particularly vicious, 382 00:18:56,890 --> 00:18:59,200 I'd focus on anyone who could've felt betrayed by their therapist. 383 00:19:00,030 --> 00:19:03,100 At 150 an hour that'd be practically everybody, wouldn't it? 384 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,880 So, how do you break somebody's password? 385 00:19:06,940 --> 00:19:09,320 If I told you, you wouldn't come to see me anymore. 386 00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:11,580 We're in. 387 00:19:12,010 --> 00:19:14,220 Can you print out the names of her patients? 388 00:19:14,550 --> 00:19:16,220 Just need to find the right file. 389 00:19:17,850 --> 00:19:20,020 Wait, that's pretty interesting. What's that? 390 00:19:20,820 --> 00:19:22,060 When did you say this murder occurred? 391 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:23,330 It was the 19th. Why? 392 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,960 Pretty much all word processing programs 393 00:19:26,020 --> 00:19:27,560 record the time and date of files modified, 394 00:19:27,630 --> 00:19:29,470 let's you see the last time you worked on it. 395 00:19:29,530 --> 00:19:30,900 All these 396 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,940 have dates showing they were accessed before the 19th, 397 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,310 but this one... 398 00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:37,240 ED: Was modified the day after the murder. 399 00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:40,150 Wait. Can you pull up that file the way it was before it was changed? 400 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,050 I told you, Detective, I can pull up anything. 401 00:19:44,980 --> 00:19:47,010 Virgil Rice, male, 42 years old. 402 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,860 Treated for depression and anxiety related to stress in the workplace. 403 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,090 That's what the file said after it was changed. 404 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:55,100 This is how it read before. 405 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,360 Four years on a rape charge, 406 00:19:58,420 --> 00:20:00,200 previous conviction for assault, 407 00:20:00,260 --> 00:20:02,860 released from Sing Sing six months ago. 408 00:20:02,930 --> 00:20:04,800 It's a whole different Virgil Rice. 409 00:20:04,860 --> 00:20:07,900 If he was seeing Tracy Conley as a condition of parole... 410 00:20:07,970 --> 00:20:10,000 Doesn't look like things went too well. 411 00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:11,940 Tracy's notes from the original file 412 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,880 show Virgil's boss caught him downloading porn 413 00:20:14,940 --> 00:20:16,080 off the Internet at work. 414 00:20:16,140 --> 00:20:18,050 She was about to recommend a parole violation. 415 00:20:18,110 --> 00:20:19,610 He'd be facing five years. 416 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:20,920 Only according to her notes, 417 00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:22,650 she never got to tell his P.O. 418 00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:24,660 Her next report wasn't due for a couple of weeks. 419 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:25,790 Rice found out. 420 00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:28,560 He was in her office three times a week, for six months. 421 00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:32,070 Yeah, so she turns her back, goes to the bathroom, 422 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:35,000 he sees her notes, gets a hold of her password somehow. 423 00:20:35,060 --> 00:20:37,230 That's exactly the kind of betrayal scenario 424 00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:38,570 Skoda said we should be looking for. 425 00:20:39,060 --> 00:20:40,240 Pick him up. 426 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,280 Would you say your orange juice had too little pulp, 427 00:20:53,810 --> 00:20:56,420 too much pulp, or just the right amount of pulp? 428 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,790 It's The Three Bears. Virgil Rice. 429 00:20:59,380 --> 00:21:02,260 What's this about? It ain't about O.J. 430 00:21:08,090 --> 00:21:10,700 So, you been getting your head shrunk, Virgil? 431 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,270 Three times a week, exactly like my P.O. told me. 432 00:21:15,230 --> 00:21:17,840 But then, I'm sure you know that. 433 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,850 ED: So, you went on Tuesday? Yeah. 434 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,940 I went. Dr. Conley wasn't there. 435 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,780 I figured something came up. 436 00:21:26,340 --> 00:21:28,550 You know what I find curious, Virgil? 437 00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:31,420 You haven't asked us what this is all about. 438 00:21:32,180 --> 00:21:34,390 Cops are like sharks. 439 00:21:35,020 --> 00:21:37,230 The more you thrash, the more they attack. 440 00:21:37,790 --> 00:21:39,730 Is that what it's like when you rape women? 441 00:21:41,790 --> 00:21:43,170 I'm in recovery. 442 00:21:43,230 --> 00:21:46,400 Does your recovery include downloading porn off the Internet? 443 00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:50,740 I don't do that. That violates parole. 444 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,410 ED: That is exactly what we thought when we read about it in your file. 445 00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:57,540 BRISCOE: You know, they told us that the problem with that delete button 446 00:21:57,610 --> 00:22:01,580 is that you always leave a little copy someplace on the hard drive. 447 00:22:02,410 --> 00:22:05,520 Now, tell me, what kind of a perv would stab 448 00:22:05,580 --> 00:22:07,460 the only person who's trying to help? 449 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,190 He's a rapist. Any woman I know 450 00:22:09,250 --> 00:22:10,360 would want you to rot in jail. 451 00:22:10,420 --> 00:22:13,370 Tracy Conley at least thought you were worth trying to rehabilitate. 452 00:22:13,420 --> 00:22:14,600 You don't know what you're talking about. 453 00:22:14,660 --> 00:22:16,260 She counseled you. She listened to you. 454 00:22:16,330 --> 00:22:18,530 She had her own agenda She was your therapist. 455 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,130 Her agenda was trying to help you. 456 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,110 She was out to screw me from the very beginning. 457 00:22:22,170 --> 00:22:24,410 She got what she deserved. 458 00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:25,570 (KNOCK ON DOOR) 459 00:22:27,140 --> 00:22:29,950 Jasmine Kosovich, Mr. Rice's attorney. 460 00:22:30,010 --> 00:22:31,950 Sorry to break up the party. 461 00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:37,520 So, the theory is he killed her 462 00:22:37,580 --> 00:22:39,530 because she was about to violate his parole? 463 00:22:39,580 --> 00:22:41,060 He owed another five years. 464 00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:44,090 And she was foolish enough to disclose that, 465 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,790 prior to filing her recommendation? 466 00:22:45,860 --> 00:22:48,560 I talked to his parole officer. She hadn't told him yet. 467 00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:50,970 So, how did Rice find out? 468 00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:53,940 Well, somehow he got access to her computer. 469 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,040 And the day after the murder, Rice's file was altered. 470 00:22:57,470 --> 00:23:00,310 Anything mentioning his parole violation was deleted. 471 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,540 I thought those files were password protected. 472 00:23:03,610 --> 00:23:04,710 Well, according to our techie, 473 00:23:04,780 --> 00:23:06,350 they're not all that hard to break these days. 474 00:23:06,410 --> 00:23:09,720 And three sessions a week, he would have had plenty of opportunity. 475 00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:14,130 It also doesn't explain how the file was altered the day after she was killed. 476 00:23:14,790 --> 00:23:16,460 Unless he broke into her office. 477 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,230 There weren't any signs of forced entry. 478 00:23:19,290 --> 00:23:21,100 The file wasn't altered on its own. 479 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,870 Well, I'll have Briscoe and Green toss his place again. 480 00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:27,970 There's nothing in the kitchen. 481 00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:30,370 I found some keys in a desk drawer, 482 00:23:30,430 --> 00:23:32,810 but nothing that looks like the key to the office. 483 00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:34,180 You know, Lennie, this doesn't make any sense. 484 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,480 I checked this dude's rap sheet, 485 00:23:35,540 --> 00:23:37,380 his MO was deserted streets and parking lots. 486 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,350 I figured, if he had the talent to break into somebody's place, 487 00:23:39,410 --> 00:23:40,650 he'd have done it already. 488 00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:42,880 Maybe he never needed to break in before. 489 00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:45,120 What are you saying, this shrink made house calls? 490 00:23:45,180 --> 00:23:48,160 I'm saying maybe he got all his information over the phone. 491 00:23:48,820 --> 00:23:50,920 "A Cyberhead's Guide To Eavesdropping. " 492 00:23:50,990 --> 00:23:53,700 Yeah, let your fingers do the walking. 493 00:23:54,490 --> 00:23:56,770 Looks like he sent her a worm. Worm? 494 00:23:56,830 --> 00:23:58,500 It's sort of like a computer virus. 495 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,200 It was probably sent to her as an attachment 496 00:24:00,260 --> 00:24:02,070 to an e-mail. She opens it, 497 00:24:03,130 --> 00:24:04,140 and he's in. 498 00:24:05,170 --> 00:24:08,120 Reason number 37 for me not to open my e-mail. 499 00:24:08,170 --> 00:24:09,810 Don't nobody send you e-mail. 500 00:24:10,340 --> 00:24:12,750 Whoever sent this was able to monitor her activity 501 00:24:12,810 --> 00:24:14,050 keystroke by keystroke. 502 00:24:14,110 --> 00:24:15,990 Oh, wait a minute, are you telling us that Rice was able to 503 00:24:16,050 --> 00:24:18,120 see everything that she typed as she typed it? 504 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,420 Every website she visited, every document she worked on. 505 00:24:21,490 --> 00:24:22,960 What about altering her files? 506 00:24:23,020 --> 00:24:25,130 He would have had complete control of her laptop, 507 00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:26,860 as if he was sitting at the keyboard. 508 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,270 BRISCOE: How hard is this to do? 509 00:24:28,330 --> 00:24:30,000 Anyone with a computer can do it. 510 00:24:30,060 --> 00:24:32,600 Can we prove Rice sent the worm that you found? 511 00:24:32,660 --> 00:24:34,200 CAMP: She deleted the e-mail. 512 00:24:34,270 --> 00:24:36,870 It still leaves a fragment on the hard drive, but... 513 00:24:36,930 --> 00:24:39,070 ED: Not enough to reconstruct who actually sent it. 514 00:24:39,140 --> 00:24:40,810 So, as far as the court's concerned, 515 00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:42,870 we have an interesting theory and not much else. 516 00:24:42,940 --> 00:24:44,180 Not necessarily. 517 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,210 I also found something on his computer. 518 00:24:49,180 --> 00:24:52,320 Information he couldn't have gotten from the worm program by itself. 519 00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:54,090 What sort of information? 520 00:24:54,150 --> 00:24:56,060 CAMP: Bank accounts, credit history, 521 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,900 her driving record. And this. 522 00:25:05,030 --> 00:25:07,130 Raped? In college. 523 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,480 The computer tech found posts she'd made to a survivor chat room. 524 00:25:10,530 --> 00:25:12,240 They were in a file on Rice's computer. 525 00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:15,410 A rapist finds out his therapist is a rape victim. 526 00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:17,540 Explains what he meant when he said that she was out to get him. 527 00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:21,010 He fits Skoda's pattern of a patient who would have felt betrayed. 528 00:25:21,580 --> 00:25:24,750 And he obtained all this information from the computer worm program? 529 00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:28,390 No, he got the chat room posts before he ever sent Conley the worm. 530 00:25:28,450 --> 00:25:29,800 From where? 531 00:25:29,850 --> 00:25:33,230 An online data brokerage company called Access Nation. 532 00:25:33,290 --> 00:25:35,790 We think he came across the company while he was doing telemarketing. 533 00:25:35,860 --> 00:25:37,270 Data brokerage? 534 00:25:37,330 --> 00:25:39,900 They're kind of like an online Pl firm. 535 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,880 We found the references to them on Rice's computer. 536 00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:44,280 They probably were the ones who sold him the chat room posts. 537 00:25:44,770 --> 00:25:46,410 If they did, we're gonna need a witness. 538 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,870 Nail it down. 539 00:25:52,180 --> 00:25:54,820 Well, we've been pretty much immune from the whole tech downturn. 540 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,420 In fact, the market for personal data just gets bigger and bigger, 541 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,020 especially in the wake of September 11th. 542 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,190 People want to know what their neighbors are up to, you know? 543 00:26:01,250 --> 00:26:03,460 Exactly what kind of services do you provide? 544 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,330 We sell information gathering services, as well as software. 545 00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:08,100 In other words, spyware. 546 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,660 Well, the information's already out there. We just hunt and gather. 547 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:14,270 What about chat room postings? 548 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,040 May I ask why you want to know? 549 00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:21,680 We're investigating a case involving one of your clients. 550 00:26:21,740 --> 00:26:24,150 We're just trying to figure out what kind of information he bought here. 551 00:26:24,210 --> 00:26:25,950 I'm afraid I can't divulge that. 552 00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:27,750 It's a homicide investigation. 553 00:26:27,810 --> 00:26:29,350 I'm sorry, 554 00:26:29,410 --> 00:26:32,020 but we contractually guarantee the privacy of all our clients. 555 00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:34,960 I can be back here with a subpoena in an hour. 556 00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:37,900 Divulging our techniques would be revealing trade secrets. 557 00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:41,190 If you're gonna come with a subpoena, you better bring a big one. 558 00:26:42,490 --> 00:26:44,440 They're hiding behind trade secrets. 559 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:49,000 Which probably gives them enough of a legal argument to delay our subpoena. 560 00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:50,940 Is there any other way to tie Rice to them? 561 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,540 We can link four charges on his credit card to Access Nation. 562 00:26:54,610 --> 00:26:56,310 The first ones were for information packages. 563 00:26:56,370 --> 00:26:58,110 The last one was for the worm. 564 00:26:58,180 --> 00:27:00,820 This guy was a stalker by nature, Jack. 565 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,950 So, he stumbles on the fact that she's a rape survivor, he buys the worm... 566 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,620 And the fuse is lit. 567 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,760 It's hard to believe a person's life can be so easily accessed. 568 00:27:11,820 --> 00:27:12,860 (KNOCK ON DOOR) 569 00:27:13,460 --> 00:27:14,870 So much for chatting with 570 00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:18,100 my college roommate in London for the price of a local call. 571 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,540 But all this is still speculation. 572 00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:25,570 Motion to suppress Rice's statement and the contents of his computer. 573 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,150 SERENA: "She got what she deserved." That's an admission. 574 00:27:34,210 --> 00:27:36,850 What they did violates doctor-patient privilege. 575 00:27:36,910 --> 00:27:40,120 Virgil Rice signed a waiver of any privilege as a condition of parole. 576 00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:43,430 His therapist was free to share the contents of his file with his parole officer 577 00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:44,800 and the state of New York. 578 00:27:44,860 --> 00:27:46,230 Just because my client signed a waiver 579 00:27:46,290 --> 00:27:48,330 shouldn't give some guy from the Department of Transportation 580 00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:49,700 the right to read his medical file. 581 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,330 Never happened. 582 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,500 When Tracy Conley was murdered, her possessions passed to her parents. 583 00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:56,430 They consented to a search of the laptop. 584 00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:57,950 But not her patients' files. 585 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,140 When the police broke that password, 586 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,010 it was the same as if they broke the lock on her file cabinet, 587 00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:04,850 then they used that information to obtain a statement from Mr. Rice 588 00:28:04,910 --> 00:28:06,720 and to search his apartment. 589 00:28:06,780 --> 00:28:08,020 I'm sorry, but I can't imagine 590 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,220 anything more personal than a medical file. 591 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,030 Parole or no parole, I am not comfortable 592 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,160 with the police sitting with a technician, breaking a password 593 00:28:16,220 --> 00:28:19,130 obviously intended by his therapist to keep the public out. 594 00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:21,570 Take the information in the medical file out of the equation, 595 00:28:21,630 --> 00:28:24,200 there is no reason for the police to search Mr. Rice's home. 596 00:28:24,260 --> 00:28:27,770 JACK: If Your Honor conducted a hearing, I'm sure these detectives would tell you 597 00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:29,830 that a violent felon with connections 598 00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:32,810 to the victim would be first on their list of people whose homes they'd search. 599 00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:34,940 People's position's correct. 600 00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:37,680 While the defendant's statement was obtained using 601 00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:39,280 the contents of his medical file, 602 00:28:39,340 --> 00:28:41,450 the items recovered from his apartment 603 00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:43,580 weren't and would have been inevitably discovered. 604 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,590 Your client's statement is out. Everything else is in. 605 00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:51,760 She ruled Rice had a reasonable expectation of privacy 606 00:28:51,820 --> 00:28:52,890 in his therapy files. 607 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,900 Despite the parole waiver? 608 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,410 Well, she still took issue how we accessed Tracy Conley's computer files. 609 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,710 If we hadn't, Rice would still be out there. 610 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,110 So, we have no physical evidence, no witnesses. 611 00:29:03,170 --> 00:29:06,170 Everything still adds up, the motive, the worm program. 612 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,110 I think we can get a jury to add two plus two. 613 00:29:08,170 --> 00:29:12,750 And a good defense attorney can get them to say it's 17. Offer him a plea. 614 00:29:16,810 --> 00:29:19,820 So, this guy murders our daughter 615 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,020 and all he gets is 10 years for manslaughter? 616 00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:25,620 Ten plus the five for violating parole. 617 00:29:25,690 --> 00:29:27,000 He'll serve 15. 618 00:29:27,490 --> 00:29:29,900 But only 10 for Tracy's murder. 619 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,740 PATRICIA: I can't believe this. 620 00:29:33,630 --> 00:29:35,510 How could his confession be suppressed? 621 00:29:36,430 --> 00:29:38,240 SERENA: I know that it's hard to understand. 622 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,240 What does that mean exactly? 623 00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:43,680 PATRICIA: It means the police screwed up. 624 00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:45,690 Patricia, please... if they opened this guy's file 625 00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:47,450 when they weren't supposed to, they screwed up. 626 00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:49,580 Now, why should Tracy get penalized for that? Please. 627 00:29:50,250 --> 00:29:52,780 Let's try to figure out what's happening here. 628 00:29:55,050 --> 00:29:56,400 This isn't helping. 629 00:29:58,460 --> 00:29:59,760 I'm sorry. 630 00:30:00,860 --> 00:30:02,240 I just... 631 00:30:04,930 --> 00:30:07,200 Isn't there anything we can do? 632 00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:09,540 Can we talk to the judge? 633 00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:11,840 I'm afraid that won't help. 634 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,280 PATRICIA: Our only child was murdered. 635 00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:17,480 And you come and tell us 636 00:30:17,540 --> 00:30:19,890 that the man who killed her had his privacy rights violated? 637 00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:23,350 But when that creep was stalking our daughter online, 638 00:30:23,410 --> 00:30:25,320 where was the law for her? 639 00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:27,160 Who was protecting her rights? 640 00:30:35,290 --> 00:30:39,210 Parents are right. Rice's privacy is protected by the court, 641 00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:43,110 while their daughter's life is an open book being read by a convicted rapist. 642 00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:47,110 Like it or not, judges are going to hold the government to a higher standard. 643 00:30:47,170 --> 00:30:49,450 The threat faced by Tracy Conley 644 00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:50,810 had nothing to do with the government. 645 00:30:51,340 --> 00:30:53,620 If you're talking about Access Nation, 646 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,720 there's nothing in the law that prohibits what they did. 647 00:30:57,110 --> 00:31:00,960 They repeatedly sold personal information to a convicted criminal. 648 00:31:01,490 --> 00:31:03,990 Concern for Tracy Conley's safety was non-existent. 649 00:31:04,050 --> 00:31:05,090 (KNOCK ON DOOR) 650 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,400 Yes. 651 00:31:07,690 --> 00:31:09,830 I've got those Grand Jury subpoenas. 652 00:31:09,890 --> 00:31:12,740 What subpoenas? Access Nation. 653 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,800 LEWIN: Now, wait a minute. 654 00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:16,970 If we go after these people, we're going to have to prove they knew 655 00:31:17,030 --> 00:31:21,210 there was a danger here and that they recklessly chose to ignore it. 656 00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:23,110 SERENA: Take a look at what they're peddling. 657 00:31:23,170 --> 00:31:24,380 When they gave Rice the worm, 658 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,290 they gave a predator the tools to stalk this woman. 659 00:31:28,410 --> 00:31:30,190 I've been doing some investigating on my own, 660 00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:31,920 and I've got both your files. 661 00:31:36,550 --> 00:31:39,060 You bank at Citibank. These are your account balances. 662 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,500 I also got all the websites you've ever visited. 663 00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:44,400 And by the way, you really shouldn't use your grandmother's name 664 00:31:44,460 --> 00:31:46,630 as your password for absolutely everything. 665 00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:49,770 You're reading a biography by Eleanor Roosevelt. 666 00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:51,810 You listen to a lot of Beatles and fusion jazz, 667 00:31:51,870 --> 00:31:55,750 and you've got what I can only describe as a very weird obsession with the Clash. 668 00:31:55,810 --> 00:31:59,310 I know what movies you've rented and pretty much your entire medical history. 669 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,790 And sumatriptan, is that for migraines? 670 00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:05,390 I could read yours. 671 00:32:10,820 --> 00:32:13,530 Rice may have killed her, but let's at least find out if Access Nation 672 00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:15,830 was the one who put the knife in his hand. 673 00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:22,540 Do you believe in the free flow of information, Mr. McCoy? 674 00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:26,640 Your willingness to apply that policy to a convicted rapist 675 00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:28,010 is precisely why we're here. 676 00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:30,020 Is there a question, Mr. McCoy? 677 00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:32,820 Virgil Rice retained the services of your company 678 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,050 four different times. Each time he sought information about 679 00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:38,860 just one person. We'd like to know if you or anyone 680 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,860 at Access Nation ever asked him why. 681 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,760 BRANSON: You don't have to answer that, John. 682 00:32:42,820 --> 00:32:43,820 No, I wanna answer it. 683 00:32:44,420 --> 00:32:47,160 All of our clients fill out a detailed application, 684 00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:48,730 and in that application 685 00:32:48,790 --> 00:32:51,500 they're specifically asked whether or not they have a criminal record. 686 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,600 And you just take their word for it? 687 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:57,300 We're not selling guns, Ms. Southerlyn, we're selling information. 688 00:32:57,370 --> 00:32:58,870 Intimate information, 689 00:32:58,940 --> 00:33:01,380 which placed in the wrong hands led to a woman's death. 690 00:33:02,010 --> 00:33:03,680 If you're referring to Tracy Conley, 691 00:33:03,740 --> 00:33:05,850 you already have a defendant who pled guilty to her murder. 692 00:33:06,340 --> 00:33:09,320 Any other questions about that seem a little irrelevant now. 693 00:33:09,380 --> 00:33:10,880 We do simple detective work. 694 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,300 All we do is follow the bread crumbs 695 00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:15,350 people leave behind as they surf the net. 696 00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:20,030 It's who you sell the bread crumbs to that concerns us, Mr. McDowell. 697 00:33:20,490 --> 00:33:22,370 I'm afraid this conversation is over. 698 00:33:22,790 --> 00:33:23,860 If you have any further questions, 699 00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:25,670 they're going to have to be in front of a Grand Jury. 700 00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:36,080 All the information to anyone who can pay and damn the consequences. 701 00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:37,550 Why not? There aren't any. 702 00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:39,750 What gets me is how they can sit across the table from us 703 00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:42,450 and claim that if they ask a question on a form that that covers it. 704 00:33:42,510 --> 00:33:45,120 What gets me is they think we buy it. 705 00:33:45,180 --> 00:33:46,820 Find out who Rice was dealing with. 706 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,490 I doubt a company with that much access to information 707 00:33:49,550 --> 00:33:52,030 is as ignorant about their clients as they claim to be. 708 00:33:54,930 --> 00:33:57,600 Actually, I don't do investigative work anymore. 709 00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:59,700 I'm a manager now. A promotion. 710 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,270 Must have been fairly recent. 711 00:34:01,330 --> 00:34:02,640 A few weeks ago. 712 00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:05,010 But prior to that, you were an online investigator. 713 00:34:05,070 --> 00:34:06,140 Right. 714 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:10,080 One of the people you tracked was a woman named Tracy Conley. 715 00:34:10,940 --> 00:34:12,420 Name doesn't ring a bell. 716 00:34:13,310 --> 00:34:15,050 What about Virgil Rice? 717 00:34:16,150 --> 00:34:17,390 Sorry. 718 00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:20,820 You know, that surprises me, Mr. Kitson. 719 00:34:21,390 --> 00:34:23,420 Since you worked with Mr. Rice on four separate occasions, 720 00:34:23,490 --> 00:34:25,800 each one involving Tracy Conley. 721 00:34:30,430 --> 00:34:32,300 He's a convicted rapist. 722 00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:36,840 He used the information you sold him to murder this young woman. 723 00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:39,650 I just compile what's already out there. 724 00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:42,210 You can call an invasion of privacy whatever you want, 725 00:34:42,270 --> 00:34:44,480 but my boss intends to make an example of somebody. 726 00:34:44,540 --> 00:34:46,680 It can either be you or this company. 727 00:34:49,210 --> 00:34:51,350 I told John he lied. 728 00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:53,050 John McDowell. 729 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,620 I told him Rice had a rape conviction. 730 00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:57,960 How did you find that out? 731 00:34:58,390 --> 00:35:01,890 Rice had multiple requests on the same target. I got curious. 732 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,910 Only when I told McDowell about it, he got pissed. 733 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,070 Told me it wasn't my job to be checking into the backgrounds of our clients. 734 00:35:14,770 --> 00:35:17,780 There's no question these people sold Rice the chat room postings 735 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,720 with full knowledge of who he was. 736 00:35:20,340 --> 00:35:23,260 When Kitson informed McDowell, he was told to forget it. 737 00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:24,590 Then he got a promotion. 738 00:35:24,850 --> 00:35:26,760 Probably hoping he'd keep his mouth shut. 739 00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:27,920 I don't even think most people know 740 00:35:27,980 --> 00:35:29,590 that their chats are being archived. 741 00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:33,190 But once someone like Kitson tracks how you access the Internet, 742 00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:35,360 they can pretty much find out every site you've ever been to, 743 00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:37,870 and everything you've ever said online. 744 00:35:37,930 --> 00:35:39,670 Perhaps the privacy we're used to 745 00:35:39,730 --> 00:35:41,870 is a luxury we can no longer afford. 746 00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:44,470 Since when did closing the curtains on my private life 747 00:35:44,530 --> 00:35:46,010 ever become a luxury? 748 00:35:46,070 --> 00:35:48,280 Since people started crashing planes into buildings 749 00:35:48,340 --> 00:35:50,220 and trying to set their shoes on fire. 750 00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:53,620 No one's talking about limiting our ability to go after terrorists. 751 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,180 What we're talking about is holding this company responsible 752 00:35:57,250 --> 00:35:59,660 for invading a woman's privacy for profit. 753 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:02,720 Yes, except that it's companies like Access Nation 754 00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:04,660 who develop the technologies. 755 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:07,700 I mean, the Feds have a worm, Magic Lantern, 756 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,430 only they use it to catch terrorists, drug dealers. 757 00:36:10,990 --> 00:36:14,200 If we take away the private sector as a market for these products, 758 00:36:14,260 --> 00:36:15,680 we may never get them. 759 00:36:15,730 --> 00:36:17,770 And McDowell just gets a pass? 760 00:36:17,830 --> 00:36:21,040 If we take down McDowell for his violation of privacy, 761 00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:25,020 that opens the floodgates for lawyers to attack us and our methods. 762 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,450 A judge has already forced us to cut a deal with one murderer. 763 00:36:28,510 --> 00:36:30,990 You wanna train the police so the courts don't undermine us, 764 00:36:31,050 --> 00:36:32,790 there's a whole unit to do that with. 765 00:36:32,850 --> 00:36:34,760 Tactical Assistance Response Unit. 766 00:36:34,820 --> 00:36:36,590 But we can't let someone get away with murder 767 00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:39,570 just because it might make catching someone else tougher down the road. 768 00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:46,640 I believe my attorney said any more questions 769 00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:47,900 would have to be in front of a Grand Jury. 770 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,070 Yeah, well, we're here to help arrange that. 771 00:36:50,130 --> 00:36:51,910 What are you doing? What are you talking about? 772 00:36:51,970 --> 00:36:54,310 John McDowell, you're under arrest for manslaughter 773 00:36:54,370 --> 00:36:55,610 in the death of Tracy Conley. 774 00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:57,880 You gotta be kidding me. I wanna call my lawyer. 775 00:36:57,940 --> 00:37:00,920 How about we just post your arrest on the Internet instead? 776 00:37:01,580 --> 00:37:02,850 You think about it. 777 00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:12,260 KITSON: Every e-mail you send contains a hidden header with your IP address. 778 00:37:13,220 --> 00:37:16,400 Assume we're all a little computer illiterate. 779 00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:17,840 KITSON: It's the network address 780 00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:20,240 your Internet provider uses to connect you. 781 00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:22,110 Once I link a person with it, 782 00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:24,300 I can search wherever that person's been online 783 00:37:24,370 --> 00:37:26,570 and what they've said or done once they got there. 784 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,180 Did you track Tracy Conley using this method? 785 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:31,550 For Virgil Rice. 786 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:36,050 Did there come a time when your work for Mr. Rice began to concern you? 787 00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:39,550 Yes. When I found out he had a criminal record. 788 00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:41,560 Did you tell anyone about those concerns? 789 00:37:43,050 --> 00:37:44,660 I told Mr. McDowell. 790 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,000 What was his reaction? 791 00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:49,930 He ordered me to stop checking into the backgrounds of clients. 792 00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:53,200 He said that it was against everything that the company stood for, 793 00:37:53,260 --> 00:37:55,500 that it was bad for business. 794 00:37:55,570 --> 00:37:56,940 JACK: No further questions. 795 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,280 So, you knew Virgil Rice was a rapist? 796 00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:04,740 KITSON: Yes. 797 00:38:04,810 --> 00:38:06,310 After you allegedly had this conversation, 798 00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:08,050 did you do anything about it? 799 00:38:08,980 --> 00:38:10,010 No. 800 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,290 Did you contact Tracy Conley? 801 00:38:11,350 --> 00:38:12,380 No. 802 00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:13,950 Did you warn her in any way? 803 00:38:14,020 --> 00:38:16,550 Mr. McDowell told me not to do anything. 804 00:38:17,020 --> 00:38:20,730 Do you have any proof of this conversation you said you had 805 00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:22,860 with Mr. McDowell a few months ago? 806 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,830 No, but... Mr. Kitson, 807 00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:29,880 the prosecutor's office came to visit you a few weeks ago 808 00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:33,010 and asked you some questions about your online investigation, didn't they? 809 00:38:33,070 --> 00:38:34,100 Yes. 810 00:38:34,170 --> 00:38:37,080 Isn't it a fair statement that if you didn't implicate Mr. McDowell, 811 00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:39,620 you might very well be the one on trial here today? 812 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,020 Objection. 813 00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:42,620 Withdrawn. 814 00:38:43,150 --> 00:38:45,060 No further questions, Your Honor. 815 00:38:48,750 --> 00:38:51,460 BRANSON: How did you feel about the death of Tracy Conley? 816 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,100 Just horrible. 817 00:38:53,590 --> 00:38:57,200 Did you have any idea that Virgil Rice posed a threat to her? 818 00:38:57,260 --> 00:38:58,360 No. 819 00:38:58,430 --> 00:39:00,930 Did Robert Kitson ever tell you that Virgil Rice had a criminal record? 820 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,070 No. 821 00:39:02,130 --> 00:39:05,580 In his own application, Mr. Rice denied having a record? 822 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,010 That's right. 823 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,540 Did you ever check that information? 824 00:39:09,610 --> 00:39:12,920 In the first place, we guarantee the privacy of our clients. 825 00:39:12,980 --> 00:39:17,320 Secondly, we view ourselves as a company that helps people stay safe. 826 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,860 The public uses our service 827 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,490 to find out if a child's teacher has a drug problem, 828 00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:26,600 if their nannies or caregivers have a criminal record. 829 00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:28,530 We track deadbeat dads. 830 00:39:28,590 --> 00:39:30,400 The government even uses our service on occasion. 831 00:39:30,460 --> 00:39:33,070 But aren't you trading in people's secrets? 832 00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:36,580 I think we've all learned over these past months 833 00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:40,840 that the more information that is available to us, the better. 834 00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:43,580 There are plenty of dangerous people out there. 835 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,310 And I think most people are more concerned with being safe 836 00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:48,580 than with hiding the books they read. 837 00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:52,020 SERENA: He's turning the trial into a referendum 838 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,220 on whether the jury should be able to investigate their babysitters. 839 00:39:55,290 --> 00:39:57,030 Well, you can't blame them for wanting to know 840 00:39:57,090 --> 00:39:59,070 if their neighbor's part of a terrorist cell. 841 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,300 What happens when the terrorist wants to know about them? 842 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,310 Those chat room posts were a loaded gun. 843 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,740 McDowell has to be held accountable for who he sold them to. 844 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,040 I agree. There have to be standards for who gets access 845 00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:11,600 to that kind of information. 846 00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:13,080 You're talking about principles 847 00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:15,240 I've been fighting for my entire career. 848 00:40:15,310 --> 00:40:17,440 But when the bullets are flying... 849 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,250 I had that tactical unit check to see 850 00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:22,480 if they could find any internal memos or documents. 851 00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:24,220 They came up empty handed. 852 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,190 Well, the government's always two steps behind the bad guys. 853 00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:28,460 One of our techies that I talked to 854 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,900 told me that hackers actually chuckle at some of the technology we still use. 855 00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:35,130 Then maybe we should be talking to the hackers. 856 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,300 JACK: Open access is a good thing? 857 00:40:42,370 --> 00:40:43,780 I believe so, yes. 858 00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:47,350 Should a child molester be able to get access 859 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,610 to a list of children living in his neighborhood? 860 00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:51,310 Ideally, no. 861 00:40:51,370 --> 00:40:53,650 But he could buy that information from your company. 862 00:40:53,710 --> 00:40:55,120 Yes, I suppose he could. 863 00:40:55,180 --> 00:40:58,220 However, we ask our customers about criminal records. 864 00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,660 Did you ever consider the possibility 865 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:02,290 that someone with a criminal record might actually lie about it? 866 00:41:02,350 --> 00:41:03,350 Objection! 867 00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:04,860 Overruled. 868 00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:08,600 It's not my responsibility to keep people from using information 869 00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:10,300 in away that might hurt others. 870 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,030 Information doesn't kill people. People kill people. 871 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:17,040 I understand that someone was hurt in this case. 872 00:41:17,570 --> 00:41:19,480 If I had any idea that that might happen, 873 00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:21,020 I never would have taken the risk. 874 00:41:21,070 --> 00:41:22,280 Really? Because that's not what you said 875 00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:24,280 in your e-mails, Mr. McDowell. 876 00:41:29,550 --> 00:41:30,890 I don't know what you're talking about. 877 00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:33,390 Didn't you ask your lawyers eight months ago 878 00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:35,830 whether your company might be liable 879 00:41:35,890 --> 00:41:37,830 if someone were harmed as a result of your service? 880 00:41:37,890 --> 00:41:38,960 Objection! 881 00:41:39,020 --> 00:41:40,830 Conversations with counsel are privileged. 882 00:41:40,890 --> 00:41:43,000 Judge, I can establish a crime fraud exception 883 00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:44,400 to any privilege claim here. 884 00:41:44,730 --> 00:41:46,710 Chambers, now. 885 00:41:48,430 --> 00:41:50,040 Just what are you doing, Mr. McCoy? 886 00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:53,010 Availing ourselves of the information age, Your Honor. 887 00:41:53,070 --> 00:41:55,450 Eight months ago another one of Mr. McDowell's investigators 888 00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:57,040 came to him with concerns about a client 889 00:41:57,110 --> 00:41:59,710 whose wife had an order of protection out against him. 890 00:41:59,780 --> 00:42:01,150 This client was trying to locate 891 00:42:01,210 --> 00:42:03,280 the shelter his wife was staying in. 892 00:42:03,350 --> 00:42:05,550 Mr. McDowell's counsel advised him 893 00:42:05,620 --> 00:42:07,890 to stop checking his clients' backgrounds. 894 00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:09,120 Where did you get all this? 895 00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:12,760 Your company is not the only game in town, Mr. McDowell. 896 00:42:13,620 --> 00:42:16,970 The People retained the services of one of your competitors. 897 00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:20,630 It took them less than a day to find the e-mails that went back and forth. 898 00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:23,510 Apparently nothing is ever really deleted. 899 00:42:24,530 --> 00:42:25,840 McDOWELL: This is outrageous. 900 00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:27,070 SERENA: It doesn't feel good, does it? 901 00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:28,410 None of this matters. 902 00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:30,710 Legal advice to a client is still privileged. 903 00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:33,310 Not if he was advised to act in a reckless manner. 904 00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:34,510 BRANSON: That is absurd. 905 00:42:34,580 --> 00:42:36,520 If Mr. McDowell sought the advice of counsel, 906 00:42:36,580 --> 00:42:38,560 how can he be considered reckless? 907 00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:40,890 JACK: The point of the crime fraud exception 908 00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:43,830 is to discourage attorneys from dispensing advice 909 00:42:43,890 --> 00:42:47,730 that counsels people to engage in criminal conduct, 910 00:42:47,790 --> 00:42:49,200 which is what your lawyer did 911 00:42:49,260 --> 00:42:51,760 when he advised you against background checks. 912 00:42:52,330 --> 00:42:54,830 Neither of them can hide behind the privilege shield. 913 00:42:56,470 --> 00:43:00,040 I suggest you talk to your client about a plea, Counselor, 914 00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,610 then I suggest you get your own lawyer. 915 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,420 Three-to-nine years in prison. 916 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,620 Plus the 15 Virgil Rice got. 917 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,750 That should give some peace to Tracy Conley's family. 918 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,730 Internet-tracking, face-recognition software, 919 00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:21,100 national ID cards, it's getting really frightening. 920 00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:23,190 JACK: If people have to choose, 921 00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:25,970 they'll trade privacy for safety every time. 922 00:43:26,660 --> 00:43:30,740 That's the problem, though. You trade one for the other, you could end up losing both. 76602

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