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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,140 --> 00:00:07,880 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:07,940 --> 00:00:11,850 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:11,910 --> 00:00:13,720 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:13,780 --> 00:00:16,550 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:16,610 --> 00:00:18,110 These are their stories. 6 00:00:19,780 --> 00:00:21,280 You set the alarm? 7 00:00:21,350 --> 00:00:22,490 Every night. 8 00:00:22,550 --> 00:00:23,620 Doesn't hurt to ask. 9 00:00:23,690 --> 00:00:24,890 Do I ever forget? 10 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:26,260 Twice. Twice you forgot. 11 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,460 Oh, twice in 15 years, and you never let me forget it. 12 00:00:29,530 --> 00:00:31,160 Hey! Maniac! 13 00:00:31,430 --> 00:00:32,910 (GLASS SHATTERING) 14 00:00:34,630 --> 00:00:36,540 You got your cell phone? Call 911. 15 00:00:36,930 --> 00:00:39,410 WOMAN: Oh, my God, that new building! 16 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:43,170 FIREMAN: Fire started near the elevator, spread down the hall. 17 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,880 Place went up like a Roman candle. 18 00:00:44,940 --> 00:00:47,010 Miss Crispy Crunch, we found in one of the back bedrooms. 19 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,950 Crispy Crunch? You think that's funny? 20 00:00:49,010 --> 00:00:50,320 Excuse me, Mr. Sensitive. 21 00:00:50,380 --> 00:00:52,260 Male or female? Female. 22 00:00:52,310 --> 00:00:53,590 Any idea what was she doing in the building? 23 00:00:53,650 --> 00:00:55,600 That's not my area of expertise. 24 00:00:55,650 --> 00:00:57,860 Thought is, she probably got trapped back there somehow. 25 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:58,990 Well, what about the windows? 26 00:00:59,050 --> 00:01:00,620 Burglar bars, no safety release. 27 00:01:00,690 --> 00:01:01,760 Isn't that illegal? 28 00:01:01,820 --> 00:01:04,330 Yeah, so is arson. We'll write the contractor a citation. 29 00:01:04,430 --> 00:01:07,530 Yeah, but since the building was still under construction? 30 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:08,870 Slap on the wrist. 31 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,770 Well, it's good it didn't spread to any other buildings. 32 00:01:10,830 --> 00:01:11,940 My guys got here quick. 33 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,380 Are you sure it's arson? 34 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:14,880 Are you sure she's dead? 35 00:01:15,170 --> 00:01:17,050 Okay, thanks. We'll be in touch. 36 00:01:17,110 --> 00:01:20,090 Hey! The accelerant, what'd they use? 37 00:01:20,140 --> 00:01:23,120 My nose tells me good old-fashioned regular unleaded. 38 00:01:24,610 --> 00:01:27,420 Why spring for premium when regular'll do? 39 00:02:18,430 --> 00:02:20,240 Point of origin was the ground floor hallway. 40 00:02:20,300 --> 00:02:22,610 We found beads of an orange plastic material. 41 00:02:22,970 --> 00:02:24,280 What do you make of them? 42 00:02:24,340 --> 00:02:26,410 Probably the container that held the accelerant. 43 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,180 ED: Any significance to where it started? 44 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,720 Well, whoever set it wasn't an expert. 45 00:02:30,780 --> 00:02:34,320 Simple splash down, but the spot was chosen carefully. 46 00:02:34,380 --> 00:02:35,730 ED: What do you mean, "chosen"? 47 00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:38,490 It's center of the building, setting the fire there 48 00:02:38,550 --> 00:02:41,660 is the best way to contain it, prevent collateral damage. 49 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,630 Plus, it creates the fastest route of escape, 50 00:02:43,690 --> 00:02:45,640 easiest access for firefighters. 51 00:02:45,690 --> 00:02:46,830 Thoughtful arsonist. 52 00:02:46,900 --> 00:02:48,640 Still, not exactly covering your tracks. 53 00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:51,410 Well, he certainly wasn't trying to make it look like an accident. 54 00:02:51,470 --> 00:02:54,970 I'm thinking more like maximum damage in a minimum amount of time. 55 00:02:55,140 --> 00:02:56,280 Why did you say "he"? 56 00:02:56,340 --> 00:03:00,150 Statistically, arson is predominantly a crime committed by men. 57 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,720 But in this case, I had another clue. 58 00:03:02,780 --> 00:03:04,120 BRISCOE: What was that? 59 00:03:04,180 --> 00:03:07,060 The female body they found? She was naked. 60 00:03:08,250 --> 00:03:09,850 Naked? What are we talking about? 61 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:12,360 Twenty-five to 30-year-old female, Caucasian. 62 00:03:12,420 --> 00:03:13,460 Rape-arson? 63 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,260 M.E.'s preliminary lists cause of death as smoke inhalation. 64 00:03:16,330 --> 00:03:17,600 She was alive. 65 00:03:17,790 --> 00:03:20,830 Yeah, but Forensics says her earrings were across the room. 66 00:03:20,900 --> 00:03:23,380 ED: With whatever was left of her clothes. 67 00:03:23,430 --> 00:03:26,540 So, what, Jane Doe breaks into a half-finished apartment, 68 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,710 takes off her earrings, folds her clothes, 69 00:03:29,770 --> 00:03:32,250 alone? That's a little odd. 70 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,750 Any indication of violence? 71 00:03:34,810 --> 00:03:36,290 The body was too badly burned. 72 00:03:36,350 --> 00:03:38,350 Missing Persons still working on an ID. 73 00:03:38,410 --> 00:03:41,360 So if it wasn't rape-arson, it's murder-arson. 74 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,390 Unless the fire bug didn't know she was there. 75 00:03:43,450 --> 00:03:45,900 Then it's just more than he bargained for. 76 00:03:47,690 --> 00:03:50,430 A list of people who had access to the site after hours. 77 00:03:50,490 --> 00:03:52,440 Any on-site guards? Not until midnight. 78 00:03:52,490 --> 00:03:53,800 What about cameras? 79 00:03:53,860 --> 00:03:55,100 Hadn't been activated yet. 80 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,900 We're waiting for the tenants to move in. 81 00:03:56,970 --> 00:03:58,740 Come on, Lennie, a tape of people coming and going. 82 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,010 You know that would've been too easy. 83 00:04:00,070 --> 00:04:01,810 I guess I'm getting lazy in my old age. 84 00:04:01,870 --> 00:04:03,870 So, when were the tenants scheduled to arrive? 85 00:04:03,940 --> 00:04:05,080 Not for a couple of months. 86 00:04:05,140 --> 00:04:07,550 They still had some punch list items that needed attending to. 87 00:04:07,610 --> 00:04:09,020 ED: Like the burglar alarm? 88 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,610 That was already installed. 89 00:04:11,350 --> 00:04:13,380 Well, who on this list might've known the code? 90 00:04:15,950 --> 00:04:17,520 Last but not least, right? 91 00:04:18,290 --> 00:04:19,960 I mean, you figure something like this happens, 92 00:04:20,020 --> 00:04:22,090 you're gonna question the master electrician sooner or later. 93 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,570 So you did all the wiring? 94 00:04:23,630 --> 00:04:26,300 The way I hear it, wiring has nothing to do with this fire. 95 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:27,740 BRISCOE: Oh, is that what you heard? 96 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,070 What I hear is that somebody was playing with matches without any clothes on. 97 00:04:32,130 --> 00:04:34,640 Any news about who she might have been playing with? 98 00:04:34,940 --> 00:04:36,710 No. ED: So, how'd she get in? 99 00:04:36,770 --> 00:04:40,150 I mean, the burglar alarms were installed properly, right? 100 00:04:40,210 --> 00:04:41,620 I tested 'em myself. 101 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,590 When? A week, week and a half ago. 102 00:04:43,650 --> 00:04:44,720 ED: So what happened? 103 00:04:44,780 --> 00:04:46,350 Obviously, somebody turned 'em off. 104 00:04:46,420 --> 00:04:48,330 Yeah, that's exactly what we were thinking. 105 00:04:48,380 --> 00:04:49,620 Question is, "Who?" 106 00:04:49,690 --> 00:04:52,430 Yeah, you could see how your name might come to mind. 107 00:04:52,490 --> 00:04:55,300 You guys think I'd set a fire using gasoline? 108 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,770 There's a lot of ways something like this can be done. 109 00:04:57,830 --> 00:04:59,530 So, you put some thought into this. 110 00:04:59,590 --> 00:05:02,270 Let's just say somebody setting a fire on that job, 111 00:05:02,330 --> 00:05:03,640 it wasn't a big surprise. 112 00:05:03,700 --> 00:05:05,110 BRISCOE: What does that mean? 113 00:05:05,170 --> 00:05:08,910 Landlord lightning, that's why God invented insurance companies. 114 00:05:08,970 --> 00:05:11,640 It strikes somewhere every five minutes. 115 00:05:11,710 --> 00:05:13,740 First time the paychecks were late, 116 00:05:13,810 --> 00:05:16,220 we made book on when it would hit. 117 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:22,560 How many other developers build affordable housing for working people? 118 00:05:22,620 --> 00:05:24,100 I don't know, how many? 119 00:05:24,150 --> 00:05:26,190 One bedroom, Pullman kitchen, 120 00:05:26,250 --> 00:05:28,790 2,200 a month. You call that affordable? 121 00:05:28,860 --> 00:05:29,930 KELLNER: In this city. 122 00:05:29,990 --> 00:05:31,600 It's a mugging with a cappuccino. 123 00:05:31,660 --> 00:05:33,400 Well, maybe in Nyack or wherever, 124 00:05:33,460 --> 00:05:36,410 but on the Upper West Side, 2,200's a pretty good deal. 125 00:05:36,470 --> 00:05:37,600 And I got bills to pay. 126 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:39,170 Which, apparently, you don't always pay. 127 00:05:39,230 --> 00:05:40,940 Look, are you accusing me of something, Detective? 128 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,540 Because if you are, I will phone my attorney... Easy. 129 00:05:43,610 --> 00:05:45,610 Just trying to get the lay of the land. 130 00:05:46,980 --> 00:05:48,610 Last month, we had a cash crunch. 131 00:05:48,980 --> 00:05:52,550 It was a temporary situation. Doesn't make me an arsonist. 132 00:05:52,980 --> 00:05:54,790 Every time I think of that girl... 133 00:05:55,150 --> 00:05:57,560 Look, I build, I don't burn. 134 00:05:58,190 --> 00:06:01,330 Especially not after what I went through getting approval for that place. 135 00:06:01,390 --> 00:06:02,490 What was the problem? 136 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,160 Neighborhood didn't like me building over a community garden. 137 00:06:05,230 --> 00:06:08,370 Yeah, I read about that. Giuliani sold off city-owned lots. 138 00:06:08,430 --> 00:06:10,910 Yeah, that property paid no real estate taxes at all, 139 00:06:10,970 --> 00:06:12,470 but you know New Yorkers. 140 00:06:12,530 --> 00:06:14,780 Against it, no matter what it is. On principle. 141 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:17,040 That's why you included the low-income housing, 142 00:06:17,110 --> 00:06:19,020 to get past the community board? 143 00:06:19,070 --> 00:06:20,140 It helped. 144 00:06:20,210 --> 00:06:21,590 Couldn't have helped your profit margin much. 145 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,520 Look, in the first place, 146 00:06:23,580 --> 00:06:27,220 I burn this building down, the approval process only gets more brutal the next time. 147 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:28,780 BRISCOE: And in the second place? 148 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,290 My insurance policy sucked. 149 00:06:32,950 --> 00:06:36,490 The builder came up short a couple of times, couldn't make the payroll. 150 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,200 According to a broker, he's been trying to flip the property, unsuccessfully. 151 00:06:40,260 --> 00:06:42,440 Neighborhood activists gave him a hard time. 152 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:44,910 Yeah, they wanted to raise carrots. He wanted to raise money. 153 00:06:44,970 --> 00:06:47,740 So, you think the long fuse reaches back to his office? 154 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,540 The guy was just trying to make ends meet, 155 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,140 but the insurance money wasn't there. 156 00:06:51,210 --> 00:06:53,810 And everyone who had access to the site after hours? 157 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,010 Has an alibi. 158 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,790 Well, the arson report says the service entrance and back entrance of the site 159 00:06:58,850 --> 00:07:00,660 were locked and the alarms were set. 160 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,130 Yeah, no sign of B and E through any of the windows or from the roof. 161 00:07:04,190 --> 00:07:05,930 So whoever set the torch... 162 00:07:05,990 --> 00:07:07,490 Probably snuck in during the day, 163 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,930 hid out in the basement until closing time, 164 00:07:09,990 --> 00:07:12,530 lit up the joint, and then made it out through the lobby doors. 165 00:07:12,590 --> 00:07:14,070 Or beat the system. 166 00:07:14,930 --> 00:07:17,380 Hey, Missing Persons. Female Caucasian. 167 00:07:17,430 --> 00:07:19,970 Right age, right height. Parents are from out of town, 168 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,780 they reported their daughter missing a few days ago. 169 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,980 We're gonna have to do dental records or DNA for a positive ID. 170 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,650 Well, make sure you've got that before you talk to them. 171 00:07:27,710 --> 00:07:29,920 The last thing I want is to tell the wrong people 172 00:07:29,980 --> 00:07:32,250 their daughter burned to death in a fire. 173 00:07:37,290 --> 00:07:38,790 But she lived here alone? 174 00:07:38,850 --> 00:07:39,960 No one else on the lease. 175 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:41,830 She have a boyfriend? I wouldn't know. 176 00:07:41,890 --> 00:07:43,300 It's not a doorman building. 177 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,170 (ANSWERING MACHINE BEEPS) Hi. It's Mom. It's about 7:00. 178 00:07:46,230 --> 00:07:48,540 Dad and I will be up till 10:00 or so. Love you. 179 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,370 Breakfast dishes in the sink. Oh, that's her. 180 00:07:51,430 --> 00:07:53,710 Hey, Ed, remember those earrings they found? 181 00:07:53,770 --> 00:07:56,440 (ANSWERING MACHINE BEEPS) Melanie. It's Mom. Are you there? 182 00:07:56,510 --> 00:07:58,850 I'm home. Call us whenever. 183 00:07:59,570 --> 00:08:01,050 Bed's made. No sign of struggle. 184 00:08:01,110 --> 00:08:04,280 (ANSWERING MACHINE BEEPS) Melanie, please, call me as soon as you get this. 185 00:08:04,350 --> 00:08:07,790 I tried you at the school, but none of the other teachers had seen you. 186 00:08:07,850 --> 00:08:10,090 Dad and I are very worried, honey. 187 00:08:12,650 --> 00:08:15,600 It wasn't like Melanie to just not show up. 188 00:08:15,890 --> 00:08:17,840 She's a really dedicated teacher. 189 00:08:17,890 --> 00:08:19,370 How long have you known her? 190 00:08:19,430 --> 00:08:21,840 About two years. Our classrooms are next to each other. 191 00:08:21,900 --> 00:08:23,770 Is there any place she might go? 192 00:08:23,830 --> 00:08:25,710 Somebody she might be staying with? 193 00:08:25,770 --> 00:08:27,210 You mean, is she with someone? 194 00:08:27,270 --> 00:08:29,220 I don't think so. Not seriously. 195 00:08:29,270 --> 00:08:30,510 What about casually? 196 00:08:30,910 --> 00:08:32,680 Melanie's not like that. 197 00:08:33,010 --> 00:08:35,080 There was this one guy she had crush on. 198 00:08:35,140 --> 00:08:37,150 He used to come by sometimes after work. 199 00:08:37,210 --> 00:08:39,780 I don't think she really wanted to advertise it, though. 200 00:08:39,850 --> 00:08:41,290 BRISCOE: Why's that? 201 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:44,230 He's a student's father. A boy in the fifth grade, I think. 202 00:08:44,290 --> 00:08:45,700 You know his name? 203 00:08:46,290 --> 00:08:48,030 His first name's Eric. 204 00:08:48,420 --> 00:08:51,170 I met him once. You could probably get the last name in the office. 205 00:08:51,230 --> 00:08:53,070 How often did this Eric come around? 206 00:08:53,130 --> 00:08:55,040 Every couple of weeks, I guess. 207 00:08:55,100 --> 00:08:56,770 BRISCOE: When's the last time you saw him? 208 00:08:56,830 --> 00:08:59,740 Actually, the day she disappeared. About 5:00. 209 00:09:01,100 --> 00:09:02,510 Thank you. 210 00:09:07,110 --> 00:09:09,350 Careful. That's a hand-inked reproduction. 211 00:09:09,410 --> 00:09:12,690 First issue. I got it off eBay. How it all started. 212 00:09:12,750 --> 00:09:13,950 How what all started? 213 00:09:14,020 --> 00:09:16,500 X-Men. Hmm, you never read these. 214 00:09:16,550 --> 00:09:19,160 Afraid I'm gonna have to sell this to put my kid through college one day. 215 00:09:19,220 --> 00:09:22,830 Uh, can we get back to talking about Melanie Fried, Mr. Shollar? 216 00:09:22,890 --> 00:09:25,200 Uh, yeah, sure. BRISCOE: So, you did know her? 217 00:09:25,730 --> 00:09:27,730 Yeah. Just to say hi. 218 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,240 My kid goes to PS260, 219 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:31,470 so I'd see her at drop-off sometimes, you know. Stuff like that. 220 00:09:31,530 --> 00:09:32,880 What about after school? 221 00:09:32,930 --> 00:09:34,240 After school? Yeah. 222 00:09:34,300 --> 00:09:36,210 You know, say around 5:00. 223 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,880 I don't know. I'm usually working around 5:00. 224 00:09:40,010 --> 00:09:42,220 Can I get either of you some coffee? Tea, maybe? 225 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:43,920 No, thanks, we're fine. 226 00:09:43,980 --> 00:09:46,480 Uh, Mr. Shollar, what kind of work do you do? 227 00:09:46,550 --> 00:09:49,650 I do construction. Dry walling, plastering. 228 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,860 You ever do any work for Kellner Construction? 229 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,460 Eric just finished a job for Kellner not two weeks ago. 230 00:09:54,690 --> 00:09:56,030 Is that right? 231 00:09:56,260 --> 00:09:57,360 Yeah. 232 00:09:57,430 --> 00:09:59,600 You didn't happen to work on the building that burned down, did you? 233 00:09:59,660 --> 00:10:01,400 MRS. SHOLLAR: As a matter of fact, he did. 234 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:06,270 Is that what this is all about? 235 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:10,740 Mr. Shollar, maybe it'd be better if we talked to you downtown. 236 00:10:10,810 --> 00:10:13,450 You know, we can show you some pictures, maybe jog your memory. 237 00:10:13,510 --> 00:10:14,710 Yeah, maybe that would be better. 238 00:10:14,780 --> 00:10:16,650 Jog his memory about who? 239 00:10:16,980 --> 00:10:19,860 A woman died in the fire. We're just trying to get an ID. 240 00:10:19,910 --> 00:10:21,360 ERIC: Yeah, I'm just gonna take a look. 241 00:10:21,550 --> 00:10:22,960 Probably never even seen her before. 242 00:10:23,020 --> 00:10:25,400 ED: We'll have him back home in a couple of hours. 243 00:10:25,450 --> 00:10:27,090 Keep him as long as you like. 244 00:10:33,460 --> 00:10:37,200 One of the teachers in Melanie's school saw you pick her up that day. 245 00:10:37,270 --> 00:10:40,110 And Kellner confirmed that they gave you a key to the place. 246 00:10:40,170 --> 00:10:42,670 A key you never returned, Eric. 247 00:10:42,740 --> 00:10:44,910 You sure you didn't take her to the site that night, Eric, 248 00:10:44,970 --> 00:10:46,320 maybe show her some of your handiwork? 249 00:10:46,370 --> 00:10:48,220 How good you are with spackle? 250 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,260 Come on, man. We got a witness who saw 251 00:10:50,310 --> 00:10:53,550 somebody fitting your description running from the building. 252 00:10:55,180 --> 00:10:58,430 Her parents need to know if it's their daughter for sure. 253 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,370 Look, I don't want to screw up my marriage. 254 00:11:00,420 --> 00:11:01,730 If my wife finds out that I... 255 00:11:01,790 --> 00:11:04,700 What? That you slept with her, or that you killed her? 256 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:05,900 All I did was take her there. 257 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,440 ED: And what happened? 258 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,700 We would flirt at the school. 259 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,350 I'd see her in the morning sometimes when I dropped my kid off. 260 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,780 BRISCOE: And what about that day? 261 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,680 I saw her that morning. 262 00:11:16,970 --> 00:11:19,580 She mentioned before how she was thinking about getting a bigger place. 263 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,990 I told her about the place I'm working at and offered to show her around. 264 00:11:23,910 --> 00:11:26,620 Anyway, we're alone, one thing leads to the next, 265 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:27,960 and pretty soon I got her clothes off. 266 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:29,790 Wait. What part of the building was this? 267 00:11:29,850 --> 00:11:31,630 Uh, one of the apartments. 268 00:11:31,890 --> 00:11:33,990 They had just put the carpet down. 269 00:11:34,060 --> 00:11:36,560 Anyway, that's when I realized I didn't have any condoms, 270 00:11:36,620 --> 00:11:38,400 so I ran to the store to get some. 271 00:11:38,790 --> 00:11:40,860 Safe sex, very responsible. 272 00:11:40,930 --> 00:11:43,640 Look, I wasn't gone 10 minutes. I come back, the building's on fire. 273 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:45,040 So you ran away? 274 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:47,550 I couldn't get back in. The fire was in the hallway. 275 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:48,840 I tried to call 911. 276 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:50,970 What do you mean, you tried to call 911? 277 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,640 At the pay phone on the corner. 278 00:11:53,110 --> 00:11:55,320 There was a girl on the phone. She said she already called. 279 00:11:55,380 --> 00:11:57,120 What did this girl look like? 280 00:11:58,010 --> 00:12:01,430 Uh, blonde, ponytail, blue ski hat, jeans. 281 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:03,760 Anything else? 282 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,090 Height, weight, age? 283 00:12:06,150 --> 00:12:07,530 Would you recognize her if you saw her again? 284 00:12:07,590 --> 00:12:08,730 I might. I don't know. 285 00:12:08,790 --> 00:12:11,430 But you didn't stick around to see how Melanie was. 286 00:12:13,660 --> 00:12:15,770 I got nervous when I heard the sirens. 287 00:12:16,430 --> 00:12:17,500 I figured she'd be okay. 288 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:19,070 You figured wrong. 289 00:12:21,940 --> 00:12:23,040 You gonna tell my wife? 290 00:12:23,100 --> 00:12:25,810 Oh, trust me, pal. She already knows. 291 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,850 The drugstore manager ID'd Shollar. 292 00:12:30,910 --> 00:12:32,980 Said he ran in and bought a pack of condoms. 293 00:12:33,050 --> 00:12:35,050 Like he had a hot date. His words. 294 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,790 They see anyone at the pay phone? 295 00:12:36,850 --> 00:12:39,560 Not a soul. No Shollar, no ponytail. 296 00:12:39,620 --> 00:12:41,620 So, we can't confirm Shollar's story. 297 00:12:41,690 --> 00:12:44,830 That he wanted to call 911? Maybe he wanted to. 298 00:12:44,890 --> 00:12:46,670 But according to the IUDs, nobody did. 299 00:12:46,730 --> 00:12:48,040 But at about the same time, 300 00:12:48,100 --> 00:12:51,130 there was a three-minute call from that phone to a number in Inwood. 301 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,110 Yeah, a Mr. Kent Quigley. 302 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,510 All right. You know the drill. Talk to this Quigley 303 00:12:55,570 --> 00:12:57,410 see if we can't find the girl. 304 00:12:57,470 --> 00:13:00,940 Maybe Shollar'll get lucky and get a little backup for his story, 305 00:13:01,010 --> 00:13:03,990 or maybe we'll get a little lucky and come up with a material witness 306 00:13:04,050 --> 00:13:06,490 to testify against this son of a bitch. 307 00:13:11,090 --> 00:13:13,030 Last Monday? A phone call? 308 00:13:13,090 --> 00:13:14,730 Yeah, around 8:00 p.m. 309 00:13:15,020 --> 00:13:17,530 I don't really remember. I get a lot of phone calls. 310 00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:18,940 Do you remember all the phone calls you get? 311 00:13:18,990 --> 00:13:20,370 ED: It was from a pay phone. 312 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,970 How would I know that? You got caller ID. 313 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,300 Monday night, I'm not even sure I was home from work by then. 314 00:13:26,370 --> 00:13:28,010 Look, you're a little slow on the pick-up, man. 315 00:13:28,070 --> 00:13:29,640 Somebody answered the phone. 316 00:13:30,070 --> 00:13:31,380 Maybe it was a wrong number. 317 00:13:31,770 --> 00:13:33,840 Do you remember getting a wrong number? 318 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,610 Yeah. I think I do. 319 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:41,160 Who was it from? Man, woman, young, old? 320 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,960 A man. Old. Older. 321 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,660 What'd you talk about? 322 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:48,930 Nothing, you know. 323 00:13:48,990 --> 00:13:51,270 Nobody here by that name. He misdialed. 324 00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:54,210 Phone records indicate the call lasted almost three minutes. 325 00:13:54,260 --> 00:13:55,740 Maybe I didn't hang it up right or something. 326 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,370 ED: You live alone? Yes. 327 00:13:58,030 --> 00:13:59,740 You having your period, Mr. Quigley? 328 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,640 I told you all I know. 329 00:14:02,270 --> 00:14:04,410 I think you guys should just leave. 330 00:14:04,610 --> 00:14:07,590 Well, thanks, Mr. Quigley, you've really been a tremendous help. 331 00:14:09,340 --> 00:14:12,290 How many blonde ponytails call this guy, you think? 332 00:14:12,350 --> 00:14:14,050 Not so often you wouldn't remember. 333 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:16,490 Didn't hang up right, my ass. 334 00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:19,360 Excuse me. 335 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:20,930 Hey, how you doing, man? 336 00:14:20,990 --> 00:14:22,490 Do you know the tenant in 3B? 337 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,330 Quigley? Yeah, sure. Real quiet guy. Why, what'd he do? 338 00:14:26,460 --> 00:14:28,810 Well, actually, we're trying to locate a young lady. 339 00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:30,670 Uh, blonde, ponytail... 340 00:14:30,730 --> 00:14:32,040 She might've had on a ski cap. 341 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:35,810 Recently, right? I thought she might be family or something. 342 00:14:36,340 --> 00:14:37,820 ED: Why do you say that? She had a key. 343 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,420 Came and went. Only here a few days through. 344 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,960 Her and two other guys. Visiting, it seemed to me. 345 00:14:43,210 --> 00:14:44,920 What'd these two other guys look like? 346 00:14:44,980 --> 00:14:46,890 SUPER: You know, kids. Nothing special. 347 00:14:46,950 --> 00:14:48,480 When was the last time you saw 'em? 348 00:14:48,550 --> 00:14:50,360 Maybe a day or so ago. 349 00:14:50,420 --> 00:14:52,360 They, uh, left real early in the morning. 350 00:14:52,420 --> 00:14:54,090 They had backpacks and such. 351 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,960 Hey, do you know where Quigley works? 352 00:14:56,020 --> 00:14:58,200 Food co-op on 116th Street. 353 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,560 It's always the quiet guys, huh? 354 00:15:01,930 --> 00:15:04,140 Monday? Kent was here all day. 355 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,370 What time did he leave? 356 00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:07,670 Around 6:30. We walked out together. 357 00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:09,150 That leaves enough time. 358 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,510 Enough time for what? 359 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:14,480 Did you ever see him with a blonde, ponytail, in her 20s? 360 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,180 Kent? 361 00:15:16,310 --> 00:15:17,980 Why, Quigley doesn't date women? 362 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:19,790 Kent doesn't date, period. 363 00:15:19,850 --> 00:15:21,520 Hey, you ever see Kent with a date? 364 00:15:22,020 --> 00:15:23,220 There's a concept. 365 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,890 Kent's too wrapped up in his work. 366 00:15:25,220 --> 00:15:26,990 What? Here? Bagging barley? 367 00:15:27,060 --> 00:15:28,160 His causes. 368 00:15:28,220 --> 00:15:30,100 What causes would these be? 369 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,760 Environment. Kent's pretty intense. 370 00:15:32,830 --> 00:15:35,000 Wait. What about that woman last week? 371 00:15:35,060 --> 00:15:37,840 They said a date. She came here with two other guys. 372 00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:39,040 What woman is this? 373 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:41,600 Oh, they stopped by, I don't know, around 3:00, 4:00 in the afternoon, 374 00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:44,050 looking for Kent. But that was Thursday. 375 00:15:44,170 --> 00:15:45,710 BRISCOE: Friends of his? 376 00:15:45,810 --> 00:15:47,450 Actually, now that you mention it, 377 00:15:47,510 --> 00:15:49,390 it didn't seem like they even really knew each other. 378 00:15:49,510 --> 00:15:50,850 That's why I didn't think of it right off. 379 00:15:52,180 --> 00:15:55,860 Quigley, Kent. Date of birth 3-21-76. 380 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,090 Cohoes, New York. It's up near Albany. 381 00:15:58,150 --> 00:16:00,220 Let me guess. Some penny-ante priors. 382 00:16:00,290 --> 00:16:02,770 Two speeding tickets, jaywalking, 383 00:16:02,820 --> 00:16:05,900 and throwing paint on some rich lady's fur in Chappaqua. 384 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,700 Close. One speeding ticket, Columbia county. 385 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,180 Columbia county, everybody gets speeding tickets. 386 00:16:11,300 --> 00:16:13,540 How else do they pay for the roads to get plowed in the winter? 387 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,020 And a disorderly beef a year ago at, uh, 388 00:16:17,070 --> 00:16:20,210 you're so good at guessing, Dionne Warwick, you tell me where. 389 00:16:20,270 --> 00:16:23,650 Community gardens protest against Kellner Real Estate. 390 00:16:23,710 --> 00:16:25,250 Credit cards off the subpoena, 391 00:16:25,310 --> 00:16:27,020 10 bucks at a convenience store, 392 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,460 20 bucks for Chinese takeout, and ready for this? 393 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,730 Day of the fire, 1:55 p.m., 12 bucks from a gas station in the Bronx. 394 00:16:34,890 --> 00:16:36,700 A, I thought he was at work all day, 395 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:41,100 and B, I'll give you odds our Mr. Greenjeans doesn't even own a car. 396 00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:46,310 MANAGER: You said Monday afternoon? 397 00:16:46,370 --> 00:16:49,280 Yeah. Around 2:00. How often do you tape over these things? 398 00:16:49,340 --> 00:16:50,440 Every two weeks. 399 00:16:50,510 --> 00:16:51,580 We're supposed to hold them for a month, 400 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,050 but I got better things to spend money on. 401 00:16:53,210 --> 00:16:56,980 Hey, credit authorization was for 1:55 p.m., so this should be it. 402 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,160 Here's a guy that knows what he's looking for. 403 00:17:07,790 --> 00:17:09,130 You remember anything they said? 404 00:17:09,190 --> 00:17:10,400 Sorry. 405 00:17:10,460 --> 00:17:12,370 How about if they had a girl with them? 406 00:17:12,430 --> 00:17:15,030 Five days ago? Couldn't tell you who was here five minutes ago. 407 00:17:15,330 --> 00:17:17,780 Lennie, you remember those orange plastic beads? 408 00:17:17,830 --> 00:17:19,470 Melt this down, I bet you get a match. 409 00:17:19,970 --> 00:17:22,310 Wait, there she is By the door. 410 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,810 ED: Ski cap, ponytail. 411 00:17:25,940 --> 00:17:27,750 We get somebody at the food co-op to ID these jokers, 412 00:17:27,810 --> 00:17:29,080 we got enough for a warrant. 413 00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:30,650 We're gonna need this tape. 414 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:33,220 I lost my credit card. Did you report it? 415 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,560 I figured it would turn up. 416 00:17:34,620 --> 00:17:36,960 Why would I be buying gas? I don't even own a car. 417 00:17:37,020 --> 00:17:38,690 You know, that's exactly what we said. 418 00:17:38,750 --> 00:17:41,630 The gas station security camera taped two kids using your card. 419 00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:44,430 Then I suppose I'm not responsible for the charges, am I? 420 00:17:44,660 --> 00:17:49,070 Well, look at this. Hey, Lennie. Lost in plain sight. 421 00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:51,730 BRISCOE: "Greens builders square off. 422 00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:54,640 "West Side Garden no Eden. 423 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:58,150 "Five arrested in garden protest." 424 00:17:58,670 --> 00:18:00,650 Now, this garden wouldn't happen to be the lot 425 00:18:00,710 --> 00:18:02,590 where they put up that building that was torched, would it? 426 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:03,820 I wouldn't know anything about that. 427 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,190 Do you always keep clippings of things you don't know anything about? 428 00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:07,320 And that lot wasn't empty. 429 00:18:07,380 --> 00:18:09,450 It was a community garden that had been lovingly maintained 430 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,760 by the people of that neighborhood for over 20 years! 431 00:18:11,820 --> 00:18:13,030 ED: It was bought by Kellner Real Estate. 432 00:18:13,090 --> 00:18:15,530 It was public land, the city had no right to sell it. 433 00:18:16,020 --> 00:18:19,330 ED: Now, what would you be doing with a disassembled alarm system? 434 00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:21,770 You want to give me odds that it matches the system 435 00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:23,810 in that building you don't know anything about? 436 00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:26,370 You been doing a little homework on how to bypass alarms? 437 00:18:26,430 --> 00:18:27,570 You're under arrest, 438 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,240 but I guess you wouldn't know anything about that either. 439 00:18:29,300 --> 00:18:30,980 We are losing our wetlands, our wilderness. 440 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,540 Every day, we are paving over nature. 441 00:18:32,610 --> 00:18:33,920 Oh, you think Manhattan's a wasteland? 442 00:18:33,980 --> 00:18:35,610 Wait until you see Rikers Island. 443 00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:40,220 Three people, two male, one female, 444 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,690 used Quigley's credit card at the gas station. 445 00:18:42,820 --> 00:18:44,990 We're sure it's the same girl from the pay phone? 446 00:18:45,090 --> 00:18:48,030 The victim's boyfriend positively ID'd her from the gas station video. 447 00:18:48,860 --> 00:18:50,130 What's their connection to Quigley? 448 00:18:50,190 --> 00:18:51,300 We don't know that yet. 449 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:53,900 But a co-worker says that the three stopped by the food co-op last week, 450 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,910 and the super confirms that they were staying with him. 451 00:18:56,030 --> 00:18:57,980 Which probably means they're from out of town. 452 00:18:58,030 --> 00:19:00,070 How close are we to identifying them? 453 00:19:00,130 --> 00:19:01,700 Quigley hasn't given up any names. 454 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,270 He's prepared to take the fall for this alone? 455 00:19:04,340 --> 00:19:06,280 Well, the guy sees himself as some kind of martyr. 456 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:10,220 Easy to do when you're not looking through the eyes of your victim. 457 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:12,590 Are we checking the connection between 458 00:19:12,650 --> 00:19:15,060 the fire and the original protest at the building site? 459 00:19:15,250 --> 00:19:17,060 I'm going down to the community board today. 460 00:19:17,420 --> 00:19:20,160 When we do find them, arson, murder two. 461 00:19:24,030 --> 00:19:27,340 I'm not saying the mayor shouldn't have unloaded the community garden. 462 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,140 The city sold 30, maybe 40 empty lots 463 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,730 over a four-year period. 464 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,300 Most of them abandoned. 465 00:19:33,730 --> 00:19:35,270 People objected, though. 466 00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:37,580 Tough call. A community garden, 467 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,590 or another apartment building? Which would you rather have? 468 00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:43,520 Ah, God knows, the city can use the revenue. 469 00:19:43,780 --> 00:19:46,780 And no one's objecting to more rental units. 470 00:19:46,850 --> 00:19:49,260 Especially since the developer negotiated 471 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,230 a set-aside for low-income families. 472 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,270 Were there any hearings, any kind of forum? 473 00:19:53,550 --> 00:19:55,330 Where you can get a transcript? 474 00:19:55,390 --> 00:19:57,870 Find out who objected to the development? 475 00:19:58,260 --> 00:20:00,640 This isn't a First Amendment issue, it's a murder case. 476 00:20:03,060 --> 00:20:05,370 No. There was nothing official. 477 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:07,500 Newspapers... I've gone through the press coverage. 478 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,010 If I have to come back with a subpoena, I will, Ms. Malone. 479 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:15,720 There was no transcript. 480 00:20:15,780 --> 00:20:17,760 But I saved the flyers. 481 00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:22,690 Just in case we ever have to reach out to some of the protest groups. 482 00:20:22,750 --> 00:20:25,130 Which we do, on a regular basis. 483 00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:27,790 Always something to get up in arms about, huh? 484 00:20:31,390 --> 00:20:33,800 Two dozen different flyers. Three dozen different groups. 485 00:20:34,130 --> 00:20:36,610 Ah, the Left. Two people, three opinions. 486 00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:38,940 (CHUCKLES) Most of the groups were pretty ad-hoc. 487 00:20:39,070 --> 00:20:40,640 Phones have been disconnected. 488 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:41,770 What about the websites? 489 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,940 Two are still online, one's a local democratic club. 490 00:20:44,210 --> 00:20:46,380 Well, I've been burned by them, but arsonists? 491 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,910 The other group calls itself "Coyote." 492 00:20:48,980 --> 00:20:51,150 Usual villains, NAFTA, the World Bank. 493 00:20:51,210 --> 00:20:52,990 NAFTA? How do you get from that 494 00:20:53,050 --> 00:20:54,790 to burning down a building in Manhattan? 495 00:20:54,850 --> 00:20:56,230 "Save the community gardens. 496 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,490 "Stop the rape of our environment." 497 00:20:58,550 --> 00:21:01,930 Well, I guess a garden is as close as we come to nature around here, huh? 498 00:21:02,060 --> 00:21:03,590 "Come up with your own plan." 499 00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:06,800 You know, I have a friend on a special task force at the Bureau, 500 00:21:06,860 --> 00:21:08,240 see what he can tell you about them. 501 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,110 Coyote first surfaced in Seattle at these WTO protests. 502 00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:18,380 Until recently, they were pretty much a Pacific Northwest operation. 503 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:20,980 Most of them look like kids. 504 00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:23,150 Yeah. We're not talking FBI's most wanted. 505 00:21:23,210 --> 00:21:26,780 Still, they have done a substantial amount of property damage. 506 00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:30,330 $14 million arson at a Utah ski resort. 507 00:21:30,850 --> 00:21:33,420 Two million dollars' worth at an Idaho lumber mill. 508 00:21:33,490 --> 00:21:37,530 So far, we've attributed over $50 million damage to them nationally. 509 00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:39,130 What's their record on violence? 510 00:21:39,530 --> 00:21:41,470 They've been very careful about that. 511 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:45,500 You set fires, there's gonna be a fatality sooner or later. 512 00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:49,440 I'm surprised the FBI hasn't done more to prosecute them. 513 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:50,880 You understand the people I work for, 514 00:21:50,940 --> 00:21:53,420 they're used to a certain leadership structure. 515 00:21:53,470 --> 00:21:55,010 FBI likes to see a group like this 516 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,560 on a nice, little flow chart. 517 00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:58,190 That way, we line our ducks up. 518 00:21:58,250 --> 00:22:00,230 Only these people aren't organized that way. 519 00:22:00,380 --> 00:22:02,330 TROST: These people are not organized at all. 520 00:22:02,380 --> 00:22:06,020 Basically, these kids jump in a car, hop on a bus, a train, 521 00:22:06,090 --> 00:22:08,000 burn something down and leave. 522 00:22:08,060 --> 00:22:10,470 Says here they've been quick to claim responsibility. 523 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,170 A lack of any statement would seem to be at odds with their MO. 524 00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:16,870 Well, maybe the girl's death explains why they haven't taken credit. 525 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,080 Well, the profile's young, affluent. 526 00:22:20,130 --> 00:22:21,880 Dead girl could hurt recruitment. 527 00:22:22,370 --> 00:22:24,010 How do they claim credit? 528 00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:25,780 On a website. Run by who? 529 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,580 An organic farmer in upstate New York. 530 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:31,820 Paul Rochet. 531 00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:34,520 He's been subpoenaed before. 532 00:22:34,580 --> 00:22:37,720 Oh, we've dragged Mr. Rochet in front of a dozen Grand Juries. 533 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:40,290 Claims he doesn't know anyone in the movement. 534 00:22:40,350 --> 00:22:42,660 Simply posts information on a website. 535 00:22:42,790 --> 00:22:44,460 And lets the Internet do the rest. 536 00:22:44,890 --> 00:22:46,530 TROST: Certainly provides distance. 537 00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:48,900 What about the faces from the gas station video? 538 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,810 The local database came up empty. 539 00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:52,780 We're running them national as we speak. 540 00:22:53,970 --> 00:22:58,280 TECH: The photo recognition system's the same one used at airports and on the Chunnel. 541 00:22:58,340 --> 00:22:59,480 You know, between London and Paris. 542 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,240 And at the Superbowl. I read about it in Newsweek. 543 00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:03,480 What's your database? 544 00:23:03,540 --> 00:23:06,150 Right now, it's mostly criminal records and DMV. 545 00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:09,130 Eventually, we'll get the ATM cameras, department stores... 546 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,930 You know how many hotels have surveillance? How many malls? 547 00:23:12,250 --> 00:23:13,730 Makes me want to wear a mask. 548 00:23:13,790 --> 00:23:14,790 Wouldn't do any good. 549 00:23:14,860 --> 00:23:17,860 Infrared, thermo... Masks, clothes, we see right through. 550 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,900 You'd think more people would object, but nobody bats an eye. 551 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,000 Here we go. See? She's in the databank. 552 00:23:25,870 --> 00:23:28,070 Just like the rest of America pretty soon. 553 00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:33,780 Emily Hoyt, 18. Pullman, Washington. 554 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,680 Freshman at Washington State University. 555 00:23:35,780 --> 00:23:37,020 Not anymore. She dropped out. 556 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,420 Arrested protesting the WTO in Seattle. 557 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:40,550 Do we know where she is? 558 00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:41,720 I spoke with her parents in Washington. 559 00:23:41,780 --> 00:23:43,920 They say she was traveling to New York with friends. 560 00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:45,290 Did she tell them with who? 561 00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:48,800 She didn't give any names Just a number where she could be reached. 562 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,490 I never heard of any Emily Hoyt. 563 00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:55,610 She gave her parents your phone number, Mr. Quigley. 564 00:23:55,660 --> 00:23:57,070 Her father is very sick. 565 00:23:57,130 --> 00:23:59,040 She wanted to keep in touch. They haven't heard from her. 566 00:23:59,170 --> 00:24:01,510 These are serious charges. 567 00:24:01,570 --> 00:24:03,450 Arson, second-degree murder. 568 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:05,680 Fifteen years, minimum. 15 years? 569 00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:09,850 If you won't help us find the people who set this fire, 570 00:24:09,910 --> 00:24:11,860 I'll have no choice but to hold you responsible. 571 00:24:13,810 --> 00:24:15,020 What are we talking about? 572 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,660 If we make an arrest pursuant to your client's information, 573 00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:21,700 I'd be willing to reduce the top charge from murder two to man one. 574 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,760 He'd serve five years. 575 00:24:23,390 --> 00:24:24,530 Five years? 576 00:24:24,590 --> 00:24:27,510 You entered a conspiracy, Mr. Quigley. 577 00:24:27,860 --> 00:24:30,570 A conspiracy that cost a young woman's life. 578 00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:32,170 We were just trying to make a statement. 579 00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:36,180 Nobody was supposed to get hurt. 580 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,210 Yes or no, Mr. Geary? 581 00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:56,800 I met Emily online. 582 00:25:00,290 --> 00:25:06,110 We wrote back and forth about a lot of things. Mostly politics. 583 00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:08,640 Environmental justice, things like that. 584 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,940 Did you ever mention the community garden protests? 585 00:25:11,170 --> 00:25:14,180 I grew vegetables in that garden. I had a real connection to it. 586 00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:19,210 I live in this city, and I wanted her to know how active I was. 587 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,560 That I wasn't, you know, a dilettante. 588 00:25:21,620 --> 00:25:23,390 Who are the two people who came with her? 589 00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:25,490 They only used first names, 590 00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:27,690 Clark and Noah. 591 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,160 They said it was better if I didn't know who they were. 592 00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:32,800 I agreed to give them a place to stay. 593 00:25:32,860 --> 00:25:35,930 I lent them a credit card. But that is all I did. 594 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000 You lent them a credit card to buy gasoline. 595 00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:39,870 I'd say you did plenty. 596 00:25:39,930 --> 00:25:41,740 Where are they, Mr. Quigley? 597 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,150 I'm not sure. I'm telling you all I know. 598 00:25:48,140 --> 00:25:50,210 They were gonna stay somewhere else once the fire was set. 599 00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:54,930 Stick around a couple of days to put out some stuff on Coyote's website. 600 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,480 How are they traveling? 601 00:25:58,120 --> 00:25:59,320 By bus. 602 00:25:59,750 --> 00:26:01,990 We downloaded e-mails from Quigley's computer. 603 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:03,900 Yeah, we were able to locate a number of them 604 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,630 through a variety of internet service providers. 605 00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:09,330 JACK: The e-mails were sent from dial-up numbers in Washington state. 606 00:26:10,130 --> 00:26:11,340 Emily Hoyt. 607 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,840 And a week before the fire, there was another e-mail. 608 00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:16,310 This time from a motel in Dayton, Ohio. 609 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:19,940 We have the motel's records? Yeah. 610 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,080 Three people. Two men and a woman. 611 00:26:22,140 --> 00:26:24,420 They paid cash. Registered under assumed names. 612 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,480 One of them made a collect call to Oregon. 613 00:26:26,550 --> 00:26:28,320 The Mohrs of Bend, Oregon. 614 00:26:28,380 --> 00:26:30,890 The Mohrs have one son, Clark, 19. Attends Washington State. 615 00:26:31,090 --> 00:26:32,090 JACK: Same as Hoyt. 616 00:26:32,290 --> 00:26:35,100 We have terrorists who are phoning their parents from the road? 617 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,230 Generation next. 618 00:26:37,630 --> 00:26:40,040 So, do we know where Hoyt and Mohr are now? 619 00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:42,110 Well, Quigley doesn't think they've left the city yet. 620 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,330 Thinks they're traveling by bus. 621 00:26:44,170 --> 00:26:45,940 Airlines require a photo ID. 622 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,280 I put the Port Authority on full alert. 623 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,180 And there is sort of a spokesman for them. 624 00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:53,710 LEWIN: Well, he's local. 625 00:26:53,770 --> 00:26:56,220 Mmm-hmm. He runs a farm in upstate New York. 626 00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:57,980 Can we connect him to this fire? 627 00:26:58,050 --> 00:26:59,820 Not with anything that would hold up in court. 628 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,880 Well, he sells produce to Quigley's food co-op. 629 00:27:01,950 --> 00:27:02,950 And when I called the Mohrs, 630 00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:04,160 they said their son was coming east 631 00:27:04,220 --> 00:27:06,260 for a conference on the environment. 632 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,160 The keynote speaker was Rochet. 633 00:27:08,490 --> 00:27:09,760 And the topic? 634 00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:12,130 The destruction of greenery in our cities. 635 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:15,310 LEWIN: And where is Mr. Rochet now? 636 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,340 He comes to the city every other Tuesday. 637 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,470 Well, the next time he does, 638 00:27:18,530 --> 00:27:20,880 why don't we ask him over for a conversation, 639 00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:22,850 and let's see how he takes the heat. 640 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,180 I'm not under arrest? 641 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,240 JACK: What for? Just checking. 642 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,990 Do you run a website for a group known as Coyote, Mr. Rochet? 643 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,750 To anticipate, yes, I run the Coyote website. 644 00:27:33,810 --> 00:27:35,790 Yes, Coyote, a very amorphous group 645 00:27:35,850 --> 00:27:38,160 has taken direct action to defend the environment. 646 00:27:38,220 --> 00:27:40,100 Yes, I support those actions. 647 00:27:40,150 --> 00:27:42,190 But, no, I do not instigate them, 648 00:27:42,260 --> 00:27:45,140 I do not incite them, I do not facilitate them in any way. 649 00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:48,000 I merely disseminate information and promote the free exchange 650 00:27:48,060 --> 00:27:50,940 of ideas, neither of which is illegal. 651 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,310 I did some checking, Mr. Rochet. 652 00:27:53,370 --> 00:27:56,910 You post information about oil drilling in the Alaskan wilderness. 653 00:27:56,970 --> 00:27:59,650 Three weeks later, the drilling company's bulldozers 654 00:27:59,710 --> 00:28:01,050 are destroyed by vandals. 655 00:28:01,110 --> 00:28:03,110 The same thing with the ski resort in Utah. 656 00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:05,490 I post the truth. I fail to see the harm in that. 657 00:28:05,550 --> 00:28:07,620 This last speech you gave at a conference in New Paltz, 658 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,390 you targeted community gardens. 659 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,590 Targeted? Uh-huh. 660 00:28:12,020 --> 00:28:16,630 You saying you don't intend these kids to take their lead from your information? 661 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,230 I'll comment on just about anything but my intent. 662 00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:21,570 But I will say this, fires have been set 663 00:28:21,630 --> 00:28:24,040 and fires will continue to be set because it is the right thing 664 00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:25,100 that they be set. 665 00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:29,810 Emily Hoyt, Clark Mohr. 666 00:28:30,770 --> 00:28:32,380 Do you know them, Mr. Rochet? 667 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,080 I make it a point not to familiarize myself with anyone. 668 00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:37,910 Well, you must have at least read about the woman killed in this fire. 669 00:28:38,350 --> 00:28:39,420 If you're asking if I regret 670 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,480 the loss of a life, I do. 671 00:28:42,550 --> 00:28:44,760 Just as I regret the loss of open space, 672 00:28:44,820 --> 00:28:46,730 and the degradation of urban life for the enrichment of 673 00:28:46,790 --> 00:28:48,660 the few at the expense of many. 674 00:28:48,820 --> 00:28:51,030 That the best you can do, Mr. Rochet? Rhetoric? 675 00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:55,240 Is that the best you can do, Mr. McCoy? Sanctimony? 676 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,640 I'm free to go, right? 677 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,050 I don't regret anything I've done, Mr. McCoy. 678 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,390 I hope you never have cause to regret anything you do. 679 00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:17,960 Letting that guy walk out the door's a start. 680 00:29:18,050 --> 00:29:19,050 (PHONE RINGING) 681 00:29:20,790 --> 00:29:22,700 Yeah? When? 682 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,930 Thank you. 683 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,440 Emily Hoyt was just spotted at the Port Authority bus station. 684 00:29:28,660 --> 00:29:30,940 Clerk says three individuals matching our descriptions 685 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,600 just bought tickets for a bus to Chicago. 686 00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:34,980 Where? Platform 64. They're holding the bus. 687 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,390 Hey, trail mix. Keep your hands where I can see 'em. 688 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,750 Up against the bus. 689 00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:47,320 Now that's disappointing. Don't you know smoking's bad for you? 690 00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:48,590 Come here. 691 00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:55,470 You know, other than some protests, disorderly conduct, 692 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,300 all political stuff, they really don't have records. 693 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,130 Which doesn't mean they haven't set other fires. 694 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,400 Say we prosecute them for murder. 695 00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:06,500 You really think some other kid's gonna blow out his match 696 00:30:06,570 --> 00:30:08,100 because of what we did? 697 00:30:08,170 --> 00:30:11,010 Deterrence is one goal. Punishment's another. 698 00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:15,710 So you'd draw no distinction between arson for profit and arson for an ideal? 699 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,420 I doubt Melanie Fried would, and the law clearly doesn't. 700 00:30:20,050 --> 00:30:21,960 Have you talked to any of them yet? 701 00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:23,690 They're being arraigned. 702 00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:26,960 Good. Maybe a night at Rikers will loosen their tongues. 703 00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:28,160 About Rochet? 704 00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:31,730 It's common sense. I mean, someone put Quigley in touch with those kids. 705 00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:34,600 If you're so hell bent on handing out punishment, 706 00:30:34,660 --> 00:30:37,270 let's mete it out to somebody old enough to appreciate it. 707 00:30:37,330 --> 00:30:39,610 If Rochet was involved, it was in cyberspace. 708 00:30:39,670 --> 00:30:41,150 Common sense doesn't apply there. 709 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,410 The fire was started in his neighborhood, 710 00:30:43,470 --> 00:30:45,280 not clear across the country. 711 00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:47,380 Maybe he wanted to do something more than type this time. 712 00:30:50,210 --> 00:30:54,180 I always tell my clients, "Beware D.A.'s bearing gifts. 713 00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:56,790 "They generally demand more than they offer." 714 00:30:56,850 --> 00:30:59,090 What I'm offering is a decade of their lives. 715 00:30:59,590 --> 00:31:01,460 Out of the goodness of your heart. 716 00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:04,390 My boss has no interest in punishing your clients 717 00:31:04,460 --> 00:31:06,960 and letting others responsible for this fire go free. 718 00:31:07,030 --> 00:31:11,640 I suspect your primary interest is winning a high-profile media case. 719 00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:14,110 We're not the ones who've spent the last 30 years 720 00:31:14,170 --> 00:31:16,580 using radical causes to grandstand with the press. 721 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,140 Well, my record speaks for itself. 722 00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:21,940 A record which includes defending cop killers. 723 00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:25,290 I love it when young D.A.'s claim the system's rigged. 724 00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:27,620 This isn't about ideology, counselor. 725 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,960 This is about three young lives and what we, in this room, 726 00:31:30,020 --> 00:31:32,660 are going to do to see that they aren't wasted. 727 00:31:33,050 --> 00:31:34,730 What is it you want? 728 00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:37,530 Your clients attended a conference in New Paltz 729 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,600 a couple of weeks before the fire was set. 730 00:31:40,660 --> 00:31:42,870 One of the speakers there was Paul Rochet. 731 00:31:43,630 --> 00:31:46,540 Rochet? Uh, what does he have to do with this? 732 00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:49,140 We know about the website, Mr. Stadler. 733 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,380 And the speech. 734 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,250 How he encouraged you to burn down that building. 735 00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:53,510 That's not what he said. 736 00:31:53,970 --> 00:31:56,150 I assume we're off the record? 737 00:31:59,050 --> 00:32:00,990 You think Rochet tells us what to do? 738 00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:04,230 "Come up with your own plan." 739 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,330 I think Rochet identifies targets 740 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,560 and avoids criminal liability by hiding behind this website. 741 00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:14,700 Dude, you are so far out of touch. 742 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:20,580 The last six areas mentioned on Rochet's website fell victim to arson. 743 00:32:22,270 --> 00:32:24,150 Do you expect me to believe that's a coincidence? 744 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,620 They're poisoning our water, our food. 745 00:32:28,140 --> 00:32:30,420 I mean, Rochet just wants people to know what's happening. 746 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,620 He's up on that farm pulling the strings, 747 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,790 and you three are too young or too stupid to realize it. 748 00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:39,920 I'm not sure insulting them's the best way to gain their confidence. 749 00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:41,060 JACK: This time a woman died. 750 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,190 McCoy. 751 00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:43,630 It's time they grew up, counselor. 752 00:32:43,690 --> 00:32:46,730 You call it growing up. We call it giving up. 753 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,610 You can't answer that with slogans, Mr. Stadler. 754 00:32:53,670 --> 00:32:54,770 EMILY: Oh, my God. 755 00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:58,850 She was a school teacher. Devoted to children. 756 00:32:59,510 --> 00:33:02,450 That's the end of this conversation. Let's go. 757 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,050 JACK: She was 24 years old. 758 00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:07,390 Only a year or so older than you, Ms. Hoyt. 759 00:33:07,450 --> 00:33:09,090 I said, that's enough. 760 00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:16,130 Think they allow organic produce in prison? 761 00:33:18,530 --> 00:33:20,530 They fell on their swords. 762 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,940 I'm not sure they ever had Rochet to give us. 763 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,480 So we make examples of them? 764 00:33:25,530 --> 00:33:27,380 They've made examples of themselves. 765 00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:32,110 You can't protest and demand accountability of others, and then not accept your own. 766 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,210 No movement was ever stopped by making martyrs of the foot soldiers, Jack. 767 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,950 I don't intend to let them go down that nobly. 768 00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:42,960 What makes us so stupid when we're 20. 769 00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:51,590 KENT: I knew Emily... Uh, Ms. Hoyt, from the Internet. 770 00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:56,800 Uh, Mr. Mohr and Mr. Stadler, I didn't know their names. 771 00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:59,170 They came to New York with Emily. 772 00:33:59,830 --> 00:34:01,470 They crashed with me 773 00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:04,640 when they came to New York to burn down that building. 774 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:05,950 Objection. 775 00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:07,480 Sustained. 776 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,110 Did they discuss with you the purpose of their visit to New York? 777 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,920 Objection. 778 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,420 JUDGE: Overruled. 779 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,620 They said they were here to commit an action. 780 00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:20,120 To burn down the building that 781 00:34:20,190 --> 00:34:22,460 had been built over the community garden. 782 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,700 That's the word they used? An action? 783 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,860 That's what they called it. 784 00:34:25,930 --> 00:34:29,100 And to your knowledge, did the defendants carry out this action? 785 00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:32,430 They bought a jug of gas and 786 00:34:33,830 --> 00:34:35,510 two alarm systems. 787 00:34:38,070 --> 00:34:42,040 People's "A" and "B", Your Honor. 788 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,950 And on the night in question, did you see the defendants? 789 00:34:47,010 --> 00:34:50,430 They left my apartment about 6:30... 790 00:34:51,650 --> 00:34:56,000 They came back, maybe, 9:00-9:30. I'm not sure. 791 00:34:56,490 --> 00:34:57,660 There was a lot going on. 792 00:34:58,090 --> 00:34:59,400 JACK: A lot going on? 793 00:35:00,090 --> 00:35:01,730 They had heard on the news that some woman 794 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,300 had been killed in the fire, and they were pretty upset. 795 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,110 Everyone talking at once. 796 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:07,680 What were they saying? 797 00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:09,300 Noah was yelling at Clark. 798 00:35:09,370 --> 00:35:11,910 Saying Clark was supposed to check the building. 799 00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:15,020 Uh, Clark said no one was supposed to be there. 800 00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:16,510 Things like that. 801 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,680 And Emily... 802 00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:21,520 Emily was crying. 803 00:35:21,580 --> 00:35:24,220 She kept saying, over and over, 804 00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:26,490 "Nobody was supposed to die." 805 00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:28,190 Nothing further. 806 00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:36,170 Mr. Quigley, the evening in question, 807 00:35:37,060 --> 00:35:38,370 when they left your apartment, 808 00:35:38,430 --> 00:35:40,070 were you with the defendants? 809 00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:41,200 No, sir. 810 00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:45,680 So you don't really know who did what that night, do you? 811 00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:46,810 No. 812 00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:48,610 WHITTEN: And when they came back, 813 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,620 it was your impression my clients were upset 814 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,350 about the death of Ms. Fried? 815 00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:56,020 They were very upset. 816 00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:59,150 WHITTEN: Because the taking of human life 817 00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:02,030 wasn't at all the purpose of this fire, was it? 818 00:36:02,090 --> 00:36:03,120 Objection. 819 00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:06,500 Defendants are charged with an intentional crime, Your Honor. 820 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,600 They're lives hang in the balance. 821 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,170 I'll allow it. And watch your step, counselor. 822 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:15,740 Mr. Quigley? 823 00:36:19,540 --> 00:36:22,080 There was a beautiful garden on that lot. 824 00:36:23,780 --> 00:36:25,420 People grew things. 825 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,050 Kids had a chance to put their hands in the dirt. 826 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,690 Then... Then this developer comes, 827 00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:37,060 bulldozes the whole thing, paves it over like it had never been there at all. 828 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,040 That was the purpose. 829 00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:47,310 To tell the world we cared. 830 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,080 SERENA: Kids playing in the sun. 831 00:36:54,140 --> 00:36:56,420 At the end there, it felt more like an Earth Day celebration 832 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,780 than a murder trial. 833 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,320 Whitten doesn't get cop killers off by accident. 834 00:37:00,380 --> 00:37:01,590 Well, at least we still have Shollar. 835 00:37:01,650 --> 00:37:02,990 He can put Hoyt at the scene. 836 00:37:03,050 --> 00:37:06,030 Whitten will portray Shollar as a cheating spouse, 837 00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:09,260 who abandoned his lover in her time of need. 838 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,060 Won't help his credibility much. 839 00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:13,100 What about flipping one of them? 840 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,330 Divide and conquer? Over Whitten's dead body. 841 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,640 Motion to sever? 842 00:37:17,530 --> 00:37:19,480 I don't feel like losing three trials. 843 00:37:19,970 --> 00:37:22,070 So, the law lets these kids try and bury the truth 844 00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:23,670 about this case in a little garden? 845 00:37:23,740 --> 00:37:26,650 Eventually, you reap what you sow. 846 00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:33,920 This was a gasoline-based fire. 847 00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:37,220 It burned very quickly and produced an intense heat. 848 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,490 Your arson report indicates four firemen were overcome by smoke. 849 00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:43,000 LEY: Yes, there was a tremendous amount of smoke. 850 00:37:43,290 --> 00:37:45,670 Apparently, they were laying the carpets in the common areas, 851 00:37:45,730 --> 00:37:47,430 so the padding was in rolls. 852 00:37:47,490 --> 00:37:48,770 And once that went up... 853 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,140 Looking at People's exhibit "C," 854 00:37:53,830 --> 00:37:57,110 the apartment where Melanie Fried's body was found, 855 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,210 what was her chance of surviving? 856 00:37:59,270 --> 00:38:00,480 Objection. 857 00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:04,650 Judge, a great deal has been made of the precision of this fire, 858 00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:07,020 how it was intended to avoid injury. 859 00:38:07,950 --> 00:38:09,760 I think it's only fair for the jury, 860 00:38:09,820 --> 00:38:14,160 to be afforded some insight into what chance Melanie Fried had to escape. 861 00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:18,070 You did open the door to intent, Mr. Whitten. 862 00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:20,030 You can answer the question. 863 00:38:21,060 --> 00:38:24,370 In my opinion, Melanie Fried had no chance of escape. 864 00:38:24,430 --> 00:38:25,470 Why not? 865 00:38:25,530 --> 00:38:27,310 Well, within a matter of seconds, 866 00:38:27,370 --> 00:38:29,400 the room would have been filled with smoke. 867 00:38:29,470 --> 00:38:32,080 Her last moments would have been in total blackness, 868 00:38:32,140 --> 00:38:33,520 struggling for air. 869 00:38:34,210 --> 00:38:36,690 If you can imagine a person drowning in smoke. 870 00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:41,730 What about the fact 871 00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:45,750 that the fire was set in the center of the hallway? 872 00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:48,430 LEY: Very good for letting firemen in. 873 00:38:48,490 --> 00:38:50,630 Not so good for letting other people out. 874 00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:53,600 What about the heat? 875 00:38:54,130 --> 00:38:55,230 Searing. 876 00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:59,480 As the fire spread, the room would have been like an oven. 877 00:39:00,830 --> 00:39:04,780 So before Melanie Fried mercifully passed out, 878 00:39:05,340 --> 00:39:06,610 she would have been cooking to death. 879 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,850 WHITTEN: Your Honor... 880 00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:10,750 JUDGE: Mr. McCoy. 881 00:39:14,410 --> 00:39:15,520 Nothing further. 882 00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:24,400 You understand the consequences of pleading guilty? 883 00:39:24,460 --> 00:39:25,990 I just want this to be over. 884 00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:29,100 Emily is prepared to implicate her co-defendants. 885 00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:32,340 What's she expecting in return? 886 00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:36,540 I can't be a party to those negotiations, Mr. McCoy. 887 00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:40,150 At this point, I'm recusing myself as her counsel. 888 00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:43,620 Nonetheless, I thought I had an obligation 889 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,250 as an officer of the court to advise you of my client's wishes. 890 00:39:47,850 --> 00:39:50,050 We appreciate your position, Mr. Whitten. 891 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,720 SERENA: What about the other two? 892 00:39:53,850 --> 00:39:55,830 They understand once she testifies, 893 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,760 a plea won't be re-offered? 894 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,230 My clients are at an age when ideals still mean something. 895 00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:15,180 So what happens now? 896 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,120 New counsel will be appointed to discuss a plea bargain. 897 00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:21,690 Jail time will be involved. 898 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,560 I understand. 899 00:40:34,030 --> 00:40:37,200 You're asking me to get on my website and tell everybody to stop. 900 00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:40,640 Not protests, Mr. Rochet. Just the violence. 901 00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:43,480 And in return you'll make a reasonable sentencing 902 00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:45,680 recommendations for Stadler and Mohr? 903 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,080 I'm no lawyer, Mr. McCoy, but that doesn't sound kosher. 904 00:40:51,110 --> 00:40:52,450 Yes or no? 905 00:40:54,450 --> 00:40:56,430 What makes you think they would listen? 906 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,460 Right or wrong, these kids read your website. 907 00:40:59,890 --> 00:41:03,990 They read about Coyote burning down resorts and attacking laboratories. 908 00:41:04,490 --> 00:41:06,490 They want to emulate your actions. 909 00:41:07,930 --> 00:41:09,100 If you were to denounce them... 910 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,770 They'd call me a turncoat, and they'd go somewhere else. 911 00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:14,710 You support terrorism. 912 00:41:14,770 --> 00:41:17,480 I have blood on my hands? Is that what you're saying? 913 00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:19,940 Why not prosecute me then? 914 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,180 There's legal and moral guilt. 915 00:41:24,380 --> 00:41:27,650 And all those people with emphysema who suffocate because of pollution 916 00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:30,060 the same way that woman suffocated in that fire? 917 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,430 Or drink toxic water because of the chemicals leeching into the watershed? 918 00:41:34,750 --> 00:41:36,890 Spare me. I know the speech. 919 00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:41,200 Young people believe the world can change. 920 00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:42,870 I won't tell them it can't. 921 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,740 So teach them how to really change it. 922 00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:52,670 They're kids, Mr. Rochet. 923 00:41:57,310 --> 00:41:59,450 Every war has its casualties. 924 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,630 When Kent... JACK: Mr. Quigley. 925 00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:16,800 Told me about the fight over the community gardens, 926 00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:18,440 that's when we... 927 00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:23,540 Clark and Noah, Mr. Mohr and Mr. Stadler... 928 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,540 That's when we decided to do it. 929 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,650 To do what? 930 00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:30,980 Set the fire. 931 00:42:31,610 --> 00:42:33,490 To burn down the apartment building. 932 00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:35,690 But as a protest. 933 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,820 Cities are so crowded, so messed up, 934 00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:42,590 and they keep building big skyscrapers that block out the sun. 935 00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:46,530 People don't have any access to green, to the earth. 936 00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:48,630 They don't even know what they're missing. 937 00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:51,010 We're destroying this planet. 938 00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:53,870 It gets worse every year, and nobody does anything about it. 939 00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:57,570 And we just thought, "Shouldn't somebody put a stop to it?" 940 00:42:58,940 --> 00:43:01,610 Shouldn't we do everything we can to stop that? 941 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,160 We didn't know there was anyone inside. 942 00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:21,240 Top count conviction. 943 00:43:21,860 --> 00:43:23,240 Emily Hoyt's testimony. 944 00:43:23,830 --> 00:43:25,070 What's she getting? 945 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,740 Five years. Same as Quigley. 946 00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:30,400 And the other defendants? 947 00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:34,080 They were given every chance. 948 00:43:36,740 --> 00:43:40,210 Two coyotes turned into sacrificial lambs. 949 00:43:42,450 --> 00:43:43,620 (SIGHS) 76754

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