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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,210 --> 00:00:07,950 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:08,010 --> 00:00:11,930 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:11,980 --> 00:00:13,790 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:13,850 --> 00:00:16,590 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:16,650 --> 00:00:18,220 These are their stories. 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,870 Can't you hook up with a guy who lives in an elevator building? 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,160 Quit bitchin', we're here. 8 00:00:23,230 --> 00:00:25,830 Thank God, these heels are killing me. 9 00:00:27,460 --> 00:00:30,170 Jimmy, you in there? 10 00:00:31,970 --> 00:00:33,240 Jimmy! 11 00:00:34,540 --> 00:00:36,450 He's with that Connie Ditchko, I'm gonna kill him. 12 00:00:36,510 --> 00:00:37,950 That Ukrainian girl? 13 00:00:38,010 --> 00:00:39,990 Oh, relax, he'll call you tomorrow. Come on. 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,150 Wait. 15 00:00:42,780 --> 00:00:45,420 What, Jimmy gave you the keys to his crib? 16 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:46,860 You only been with him a month. 17 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,830 He didn't give it to me. I took it. 18 00:00:48,890 --> 00:00:50,730 Oh, you go, girl. (SNICKERS) 19 00:00:52,390 --> 00:00:53,390 Jimmy! 20 00:00:54,790 --> 00:00:55,790 Jimmy! 21 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,040 (GASPS) Oh, my God. 22 00:00:59,530 --> 00:01:00,940 (CRYING) Jimmy! 23 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,340 Oh. my God! 24 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:07,680 And the dead guy is James Foley, 36. 25 00:01:07,740 --> 00:01:10,240 Girlfriend was supposed to meet him at some club, 26 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:12,720 he didn't show, she came looking for him. 27 00:01:13,210 --> 00:01:15,520 I guess it was the maid's week off. 28 00:01:15,650 --> 00:01:17,490 ED: Hmm. I'm no M.E., but it looks like this guy 29 00:01:17,550 --> 00:01:19,580 got his head bashed in. 30 00:01:19,650 --> 00:01:23,360 Maybe they were fighting over which TV show to watch. 31 00:01:23,450 --> 00:01:25,130 It's a lot of blood. 32 00:01:25,220 --> 00:01:27,200 Head wounds. Bleed like crazy. 33 00:01:27,260 --> 00:01:28,330 Tell me about it. 34 00:01:28,390 --> 00:01:30,340 When I was a kid, I fell off my bike, 35 00:01:30,660 --> 00:01:32,300 split my scalp wide open. 36 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,500 My mother thought I was gonna die. 37 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,800 How many stitches? 38 00:01:35,870 --> 00:01:37,140 Twenty-six. 39 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,870 Beats me. Most I ever got was eight. 40 00:01:39,940 --> 00:01:42,970 Bobby Delillo split my lip open playing stickball. 41 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,310 (CHUCKLES) Stickball? 42 00:01:44,370 --> 00:01:47,880 Hey, Willie Mays was a three sewer stickball player. 43 00:01:50,810 --> 00:01:52,690 Guess he was in the middle of shaving. 44 00:01:52,750 --> 00:01:54,750 Mmm. Looks like he missed a spot. 45 00:02:45,430 --> 00:02:47,240 Blunt force trauma, skull fracture. 46 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:48,840 Cause of death, epidural bleeding. 47 00:02:48,910 --> 00:02:50,510 That never happened playing stickball. 48 00:02:50,570 --> 00:02:52,990 CSU found blood splatters on the television set, 49 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,850 mixed with hair fibers and skull particulate. 50 00:02:54,910 --> 00:02:56,820 Any chance this was an accident? 51 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,620 I did blood alcohol and ran a tox screen. 52 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,990 He'd had a couple of drinks. 53 00:03:01,050 --> 00:03:02,960 But was he inebriated enough to stagger around 54 00:03:03,020 --> 00:03:05,470 and pull the TV down on top of himself? I don't think so. 55 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,020 So it was a homicide. 56 00:03:07,090 --> 00:03:08,900 I found fresh bruises on his torso, 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,840 consistent with punches or blows. 58 00:03:10,890 --> 00:03:12,840 So what, they waltz around, 59 00:03:12,900 --> 00:03:15,380 the perp picks up the TV set and bashes his skull in? 60 00:03:15,430 --> 00:03:18,040 Or they tussle, the perp shoves him, he falls down. 61 00:03:18,100 --> 00:03:20,440 Irresistible force meets immovable object. 62 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:23,610 I also found some blue synthetic fibers on Foley's pants, 63 00:03:23,710 --> 00:03:26,350 which matched fibers CSU pulled from the window sill. 64 00:03:26,410 --> 00:03:27,750 That's a long shot. 65 00:03:27,810 --> 00:03:29,260 Well, lab says these type of fibers 66 00:03:29,310 --> 00:03:31,950 are used to make work clothes, uniforms, jackets. 67 00:03:32,010 --> 00:03:33,250 Maybe the cable guy. 68 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,460 Yeah right. Like they ever show up. 69 00:03:36,490 --> 00:03:37,730 What about the girlfriend? 70 00:03:37,790 --> 00:03:40,290 Witnesses put her at the club at the time of the murder. 71 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:41,890 And these blue fibers? 72 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,130 Maybe Foley was a sucker for a uniform. 73 00:03:44,190 --> 00:03:46,230 There's no sign of a break-in. According to the girlfriend, 74 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:47,640 she had to use her key to get in. 75 00:03:47,700 --> 00:03:50,040 So Foley's shaving, gettin' ready to go out. 76 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:52,050 He buzzes the guy up, lets him in. 77 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,780 They fight, Foley gets his head smashed in, 78 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,680 the perp either closes the door behind him 79 00:03:56,740 --> 00:03:58,450 or he goes out the window and down the fire escape. 80 00:03:58,510 --> 00:04:01,650 And leaves a few fibers behind. What about prints? 81 00:04:01,780 --> 00:04:04,550 Latent lifted 53 partials. 82 00:04:04,650 --> 00:04:06,920 Popular fella. How about the canvass? 83 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,490 A neighbor heard two men arguing, 84 00:04:09,550 --> 00:04:11,760 and then aloud bang, sometime around 10:45. 85 00:04:12,150 --> 00:04:15,500 Yeah. That would've been the TV set, imploding on Foley's skull. 86 00:04:15,590 --> 00:04:20,300 Another neighbor said she saw Foley arguing with a heavyset white guy 87 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,710 in front of his building a few weeks ago. 88 00:04:22,770 --> 00:04:24,400 She know what that was about? 89 00:04:24,470 --> 00:04:26,110 Only that it got pretty heated. 90 00:04:26,170 --> 00:04:27,340 Yeah, unfortunately, 91 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,280 there's no "heavyset white guy" listed in the phone book. 92 00:04:30,340 --> 00:04:32,110 What else do we know about Foley? 93 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:33,910 Well, he had a record. 94 00:04:33,980 --> 00:04:36,680 Uh, couple of assaults, drug possession. 95 00:04:36,750 --> 00:04:38,850 That explains the visitors. 96 00:04:39,050 --> 00:04:41,930 Last bust was for four grams of coke. 97 00:04:41,980 --> 00:04:43,260 He got probation. 98 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:44,700 With that record? 99 00:04:44,750 --> 00:04:46,600 Maybe his lawyer was Clarence Darrow. 100 00:04:46,660 --> 00:04:48,430 ED: Girlfriend seemed to think he'd cleaned up his act. 101 00:04:48,490 --> 00:04:50,530 Girlfriends are always the last to know. 102 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,900 Them and probation officers. 103 00:04:54,060 --> 00:04:55,510 Well, he's been passing his urine tests. 104 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:56,980 As far as I know he was clean. 105 00:04:57,030 --> 00:04:58,170 What about this last bust? 106 00:04:58,230 --> 00:05:00,840 Well, the cops raided some dance club he was working at. 107 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:02,750 They found some coke behind the bar. 108 00:05:02,810 --> 00:05:04,010 So how'd he get probation? 109 00:05:04,070 --> 00:05:06,710 What I heard, they screwed up the search. 110 00:05:06,780 --> 00:05:08,220 Our Fourth Amendment at work. 111 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:09,620 Well, except for this family court thing, 112 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,420 I thought that Foley was doin' pretty good. 113 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:12,650 ED: What family court thing? 114 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,390 Some custody fight or something. 115 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:15,660 BRISCOE: He had a kid? 116 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,030 Yeah. With an ex-girlfriend. 117 00:05:17,090 --> 00:05:19,620 Apparently, she's been ridin' his ass about child support. 118 00:05:19,690 --> 00:05:22,070 Only Foley never shows up in court. 119 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,660 Finally, this family court judge calls me, 120 00:05:24,730 --> 00:05:26,760 tells me, if Foley doesn't show up for the next date, 121 00:05:26,830 --> 00:05:28,240 I should violate his probation. 122 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:30,610 When was this? Few weeks ago. 123 00:05:30,670 --> 00:05:32,840 But I checked. Foley showed. 124 00:05:39,180 --> 00:05:42,020 Laura Rodriguez filed a V petition against James Foley 125 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,560 for custody and support on January 8th of '98. 126 00:05:44,610 --> 00:05:46,150 That's over three years ago. 127 00:05:46,220 --> 00:05:48,200 Guy ignored the summons. A lot of 'em do. 128 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:50,920 So what happened when Foley finally did show? 129 00:05:50,990 --> 00:05:53,730 It was one of those real knockdown drag out type of things. 130 00:05:53,790 --> 00:05:54,890 ED: Which ended how? 131 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,160 Mother got full custody 132 00:05:56,290 --> 00:05:58,140 plus an order from the court, for support 133 00:05:58,190 --> 00:06:00,070 dating back to when the kid was born. 134 00:06:00,130 --> 00:06:01,770 BRISCOE: Foley make a payment? 135 00:06:01,830 --> 00:06:04,840 Uh, not on that day. 136 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,240 I'd have to check another file to see if he's made one since. 137 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:09,340 Dead beat dad Don't waste your time. 138 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:11,010 Mother couldn't have been too happy about that. 139 00:06:11,070 --> 00:06:13,050 Well, if you ask me, I think the real fight 140 00:06:13,110 --> 00:06:14,280 was about the fact that mom brought 141 00:06:14,340 --> 00:06:15,880 a new boyfriend with her to court. 142 00:06:16,150 --> 00:06:18,250 Who's that? Never got a name. 143 00:06:18,450 --> 00:06:20,760 But he and Foley got into it pretty good in the hallway. 144 00:06:20,820 --> 00:06:23,230 Couple of court officers had to break it up. 145 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:25,290 Look, I'm sorry Jimmy got himself killed, 146 00:06:25,350 --> 00:06:27,490 but I got nothin' to do with him anymore. 147 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,400 I been tryin' to put all that behind me. 148 00:06:29,490 --> 00:06:32,370 That's hard to do when you got a kid together. 149 00:06:32,430 --> 00:06:34,140 Jimmy wasn't part of Billy's life. 150 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,570 Never has been. 151 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:37,970 There's another man in the picture. 152 00:06:38,330 --> 00:06:39,840 What's that got to do with anything? 153 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:42,510 Miss Rodriguez, we know about the fight outside the courtroom. 154 00:06:45,670 --> 00:06:47,620 Go in and play in the other room, okay? 155 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,450 Mommy'll be right in. 156 00:06:55,550 --> 00:06:58,360 Three years, three years and I don't get a cent. 157 00:06:58,550 --> 00:07:00,860 Billy never gets so much as a birthday card from Jimmy. 158 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,600 It finally takes a judge to make him show up. 159 00:07:02,660 --> 00:07:04,930 And then he thinks he's got the right to tell me how to live my life. 160 00:07:04,990 --> 00:07:06,670 He objected to your relationship? 161 00:07:06,730 --> 00:07:09,300 Yeah. I think callin' me a slut would qualify, don't you? 162 00:07:09,370 --> 00:07:11,070 BRISCOE: What's your boyfriend's name? 163 00:07:11,130 --> 00:07:12,130 Terry. 164 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:14,770 Terry Fullmer. 165 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,540 What was the fight about? 166 00:07:16,610 --> 00:07:19,480 I guess Jimmy didn't like the way Terry was lookin' at him or something, 167 00:07:19,540 --> 00:07:21,040 'cause he said something to Terry 168 00:07:21,110 --> 00:07:23,680 and then Terry said something back and Jimmy swung on him. 169 00:07:23,750 --> 00:07:25,120 This Terry? Yeah. 170 00:07:26,650 --> 00:07:28,150 Heavyset white guy. 171 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,960 Terry's been the only man in Billy's life. 172 00:07:32,890 --> 00:07:35,390 He buys him things, babysits. 173 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,300 He's a good person. 174 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:41,430 I met the guy a couple times. 175 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:43,310 I take it you two didn't get along. 176 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:45,310 He treated Laura like crap, and Billy. 177 00:07:45,370 --> 00:07:48,180 So, no, he wasn't my favorite person on God's green Earth. 178 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,080 Laura says you've been helping out, huh? 179 00:07:50,140 --> 00:07:53,350 That's what a grown man does. Takes care of his family. 180 00:07:53,410 --> 00:07:55,180 Not like Foley. 181 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,160 Deadbeat wouldn't even fork over a couple bucks 182 00:07:57,210 --> 00:07:59,320 for diapers when money was tight. 183 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:01,560 That must've really pissed you off, 184 00:08:01,620 --> 00:08:03,650 paying for a kid who wasn't yours. 185 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,100 Wasn't the way I saw it, but what's your point? 186 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:08,770 A witness ID'd you arguing with Foley 187 00:08:08,820 --> 00:08:11,200 in front of his apartment building a few weeks ago. 188 00:08:11,260 --> 00:08:12,640 We had some words. 189 00:08:12,700 --> 00:08:14,570 I was just tryin' to get him to come to court. 190 00:08:14,630 --> 00:08:16,130 You wanna tell us where you were last night? 191 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,300 With Laura at home. 192 00:08:17,370 --> 00:08:18,780 That's not much of an alibi. 193 00:08:18,830 --> 00:08:20,470 You think I killed Foley? 194 00:08:20,540 --> 00:08:22,950 Much as I hated the hump, I wouldn't do that to Billy. 195 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:24,710 Guy was still his father. 196 00:08:24,770 --> 00:08:27,950 Look, I was just tryin' to do right by Laura and the kid. 197 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,620 Then, uh, you won't mind if we borrow your shirt. 198 00:08:31,210 --> 00:08:32,280 For what? 199 00:08:32,350 --> 00:08:35,160 Hey, man, if you don't want to cooperate, we'll come back with a warrant. 200 00:08:35,220 --> 00:08:36,920 I got nothin' to hide. 201 00:08:36,990 --> 00:08:39,330 Foley hardly even knew his own kid's name. 202 00:08:39,390 --> 00:08:41,870 Whoever did this to him, he had it coming. 203 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,240 No fiber match on Fullmer's shirt. 204 00:08:46,300 --> 00:08:49,210 Even if there were, you'd still have to put him at the scene. 205 00:08:49,270 --> 00:08:51,470 We re-canvassed the building with Fullmer's photo, 206 00:08:51,530 --> 00:08:53,140 to see if anybody saw him the night of the murder. 207 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,340 No luck. Excuse me, Lieutenant. 208 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,080 Prints from Foley's apartment came back. 209 00:08:57,140 --> 00:08:58,580 Thanks, Cordova. 210 00:08:59,380 --> 00:09:01,080 Any matches for Fullmer? 211 00:09:01,140 --> 00:09:02,650 I don't see his name. 212 00:09:02,710 --> 00:09:04,380 But AFIS hit on eight partials, 213 00:09:04,450 --> 00:09:06,320 generated a list of possibles. 214 00:09:06,380 --> 00:09:07,520 Wow. 215 00:09:07,580 --> 00:09:10,290 So much for not consorting with known felons. 216 00:09:10,350 --> 00:09:12,230 Most of these are drug charges. 217 00:09:12,290 --> 00:09:14,600 Another successful probationer. 218 00:09:14,660 --> 00:09:17,260 Here's one guy with a manslaughter rap. 219 00:09:17,730 --> 00:09:20,540 Maybe Foley shorted the wrong customer. 220 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,870 I ain't seen Foley in almost a year. 221 00:09:25,940 --> 00:09:29,110 That's funny. The neighbor says she remembers your face pretty good. 222 00:09:29,170 --> 00:09:31,240 Says you used to come up to see him all the time. 223 00:09:31,310 --> 00:09:32,580 Social visits, Mr. Lynch? 224 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,050 Hey, look, just 'cause a guy goes to see another guy, 225 00:09:35,110 --> 00:09:36,890 doesn't mean anything illegal happened. 226 00:09:37,010 --> 00:09:38,690 It does if they're both felons. 227 00:09:38,780 --> 00:09:40,990 Or if one of them got his skull smashed in. 228 00:09:41,050 --> 00:09:42,390 Well, what are you talking about? 229 00:09:42,450 --> 00:09:45,020 Your friend Foley got himself killed. 230 00:09:45,090 --> 00:09:46,530 Now, your prints being there, 231 00:09:46,590 --> 00:09:49,300 plus your previously demonstrated willingness 232 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,130 to take a man's life, 233 00:09:51,190 --> 00:09:53,640 maybe you might wanna help us out on this. 234 00:09:59,300 --> 00:10:00,910 When did this happen? 235 00:10:00,970 --> 00:10:03,610 ED: We're not gonna help you out with an alibi, Mr. Lynch. 236 00:10:03,670 --> 00:10:06,180 Yeah. I work every night. I get on at 6:00, I'm here 'till midnight. 237 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,880 If it happened between then, it couldn't have been me. 238 00:10:07,940 --> 00:10:11,220 But you have seen him more recently than a year ago, haven't you? 239 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,390 BRISCOE: When was the last time you saw him? 240 00:10:14,450 --> 00:10:16,260 Hey, man, don't make us go to your PO. 241 00:10:16,350 --> 00:10:17,700 Maybe three, four months ago. 242 00:10:17,750 --> 00:10:19,200 I heard he was movin' a lot of product 243 00:10:19,250 --> 00:10:20,790 out of that club he worked at. 244 00:10:20,860 --> 00:10:23,030 And you weren't too happy just being a busboy? 245 00:10:23,090 --> 00:10:24,370 Only nothin' happened. 246 00:10:24,430 --> 00:10:26,910 Foley got busted himself a few days before I saw him. 247 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,170 Said it was a lot of coke and he had to lay low for awhile. 248 00:10:29,230 --> 00:10:30,840 We heard it was just a few grams. 249 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:34,240 I guess some of it got lost on the way to the station house. 250 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,480 Look, all I know is Foley said he wasn't going to jail. 251 00:10:38,670 --> 00:10:40,120 Why do you want to know about Foley? 252 00:10:40,180 --> 00:10:42,660 We were just wondering how he got off with a jaywalking ticket 253 00:10:42,710 --> 00:10:44,780 on a half pound of coke. 254 00:10:44,850 --> 00:10:46,330 Problems with the search. 255 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:48,450 You had a valid search warrant. We pulled your jacket. 256 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,620 Where do you get off pulling one of my case files? 257 00:10:50,690 --> 00:10:53,830 The case came in A1 weight, it went out C weight. 258 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,300 I don't think I like your implication, Detective. 259 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,130 And I don't think we like being told the same story 260 00:10:58,190 --> 00:10:59,760 you supplied the probation officer. 261 00:11:00,130 --> 00:11:02,110 Why all this interest in a maggot like Foley? 262 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,610 ED: Because this maggot got himself murdered the other day. 263 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,400 I hadn't heard. 264 00:11:08,740 --> 00:11:09,810 So now you want to tell us 265 00:11:09,870 --> 00:11:13,050 how Foley got himself a "get out of jail free" card? 266 00:11:14,940 --> 00:11:16,620 We flipped him. 267 00:11:16,810 --> 00:11:18,790 Foley was a confidential informant. 268 00:11:26,020 --> 00:11:27,130 A Cl? Yeah. 269 00:11:27,190 --> 00:11:29,860 Narcotics said that they'd been sitting on Foley for months, 270 00:11:29,930 --> 00:11:32,500 got a tip that he'd been moving some real quantity out of this club. 271 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:33,730 How much did they find? 272 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,040 A half a pound of uncut cocaine. 273 00:11:36,100 --> 00:11:38,740 So they get their information and Foley gets probation. 274 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,940 And the PO gets some bogus story about a search gone bad. 275 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,570 Yeah. Give me a nice clean homicide any day. 276 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,050 How much information did Foley provide? 277 00:11:47,110 --> 00:11:48,880 Well, according to the cops who handle him, 278 00:11:48,940 --> 00:11:50,550 in three months, Foley's dropped a dime 279 00:11:50,610 --> 00:11:52,420 on about half a dozen bad guys. 280 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,620 Do they think anyone found out about it? 281 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:56,250 BRISCOE: There's one for sure. 282 00:11:57,490 --> 00:11:58,690 "Glenn Edwards." 283 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,670 Foley testified against him at the trial. 284 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,530 He got transferred to Sing Sing a month ago. 285 00:12:04,590 --> 00:12:06,730 Whose turn is it to put in for gas money? 286 00:12:12,530 --> 00:12:14,840 You wasted a trip. I got nothing against Foley. 287 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:17,940 BRISCOE: That's funny, we heard he sent you here. 288 00:12:18,010 --> 00:12:19,680 Guess he did what he had to do. 289 00:12:19,740 --> 00:12:21,240 That's a pretty enlightened attitude 290 00:12:21,310 --> 00:12:22,580 you got there, Mr. Edwards. 291 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,120 Now if I found out some guy ratted me out... 292 00:12:24,180 --> 00:12:26,750 What comes around, goes around, why sweat it. 293 00:12:26,820 --> 00:12:28,560 Then you knew Foley was dead? 294 00:12:28,620 --> 00:12:31,030 My people thought the news might cheer me up. 295 00:12:31,150 --> 00:12:33,460 Yeah, we were thinking the same thing. 296 00:12:34,390 --> 00:12:35,390 Yeah? 297 00:12:36,330 --> 00:12:37,700 Well, I got a pretty good alibi. 298 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,040 BRISCOE: Well, doesn't mean you couldn't have had one of your people 299 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:41,800 arrange it though, does it? 300 00:12:41,860 --> 00:12:45,240 Just 'cause I fanned a few flames doesn't mean I set the fire. 301 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:46,780 Meaning what? 302 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,650 Look into a dude Foley capped about 10 years ago. 303 00:12:49,710 --> 00:12:52,080 What? He came back from the dead for revenge? 304 00:12:52,140 --> 00:12:54,920 Foley skated on the murder but it turns out 305 00:12:55,010 --> 00:12:57,750 the guy who's actually convicted for it is right here in this prison. 306 00:12:57,810 --> 00:12:59,790 ED: And you know this how? 307 00:12:59,950 --> 00:13:02,430 Told you. What goes around, comes around. 308 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:03,660 When I got transferred here, 309 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,430 I found myself on the same cell block with an innocent man. 310 00:13:07,820 --> 00:13:09,060 I just thought he might like to know 311 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,540 who he's doin his time for, that's all. 312 00:13:13,460 --> 00:13:15,940 Edwards never told me anything about anybody named Foley. 313 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,570 Now why would he make something like that up. 314 00:13:17,630 --> 00:13:18,770 How do I know? 315 00:13:18,830 --> 00:13:20,610 He's the one who had the beef with this guy. 316 00:13:20,670 --> 00:13:22,980 And he just happens to point the finger at you? 317 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,350 Things like that happen in here all the time. 318 00:13:25,740 --> 00:13:27,220 Look, I don't know why he would tell you 319 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,350 that he talked to me about Foley. He didn't. 320 00:13:29,410 --> 00:13:31,860 So you never heard of James Foley? 321 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,690 ED: Look, Mr. Campbell, the warden says 322 00:13:34,750 --> 00:13:37,990 that you've been proclaiming your innocence since you set foot in here. 323 00:13:38,050 --> 00:13:40,000 Doesn't seem to have done me much good, does it? 324 00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:42,330 Well, who knows, maybe today's your lucky day. 325 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,140 I been up here for 12 years for a crime I didn't commit. 326 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,340 The guy who was sent here with me already died in this place. 327 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,180 If my lucky day includes two detectives accusing me of another murder, 328 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,810 I think I'll just pass. 329 00:13:56,910 --> 00:14:00,550 Edwards' phone log from Sing Sing doesn't have any outgoing calls 330 00:14:00,610 --> 00:14:02,150 within a week of Foley's murder. 331 00:14:02,210 --> 00:14:04,190 Maybe he sent a postcard. 332 00:14:04,510 --> 00:14:08,360 Victim in the Campbell murder was a gang banger named David Gale. 333 00:14:08,420 --> 00:14:11,060 There was an eyewitness, fingerprints on the murder weapon. 334 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,690 Another innocent man falsely convicted. 335 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,930 This witness had a pretty good sheet. 336 00:14:16,630 --> 00:14:18,130 Possession, prostitution. 337 00:14:18,190 --> 00:14:21,900 Hey, like we always say, if only all our witnesses could be choir boys. 338 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,770 But the forensics were good you said? 339 00:14:23,830 --> 00:14:25,900 Set of partials on the gun. 340 00:14:25,970 --> 00:14:27,070 Moving on. 341 00:14:27,140 --> 00:14:28,670 Hmm. Maybe not. 342 00:14:29,300 --> 00:14:31,880 Lead detective on the case was... 343 00:14:38,110 --> 00:14:39,520 Of course, I remember the case. 344 00:14:39,580 --> 00:14:41,030 I made grade because of it. 345 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,320 You got grade money in Narcotics? 346 00:14:42,380 --> 00:14:45,060 Well, city was in the midst of a crack epidemic. 347 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,530 The victim was a Lower East Side dealer. 348 00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:50,800 One more dead crack dealer. Practically a public service. 349 00:14:50,860 --> 00:14:54,470 Only this one was shot in a park across from City Hall. 350 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,030 The mayor went ballistic, wanted it solved fast. 351 00:14:58,100 --> 00:14:59,170 Which you did. 352 00:14:59,230 --> 00:15:00,870 Well, I had a little luck, you know. 353 00:15:00,940 --> 00:15:03,920 Eyewitness was a prostitute. Said she heard shots, 354 00:15:03,970 --> 00:15:08,110 saw the co-defendants, Campbell and a guy named Larry Martin, 355 00:15:08,180 --> 00:15:10,180 running from the car where the victim was, 356 00:15:10,250 --> 00:15:12,820 and then we found the murder weapon in a dumpster. 357 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,120 With Campbell's prints on it. 358 00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:16,160 Detective, those visitor logs you asked for. 359 00:15:16,220 --> 00:15:17,460 Thank you. 360 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,130 Those Campbell's or Edward's? 361 00:15:19,190 --> 00:15:21,390 Both. He's nothing if not thorough. 362 00:15:21,460 --> 00:15:23,990 Hey, check this out, Campbell and Edwards both had the same visitor 363 00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:25,730 a week before Foley's murder. 364 00:15:25,790 --> 00:15:27,570 Then again two days later. 365 00:15:27,630 --> 00:15:29,470 Who? Luke Campbell. 366 00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:34,100 I'm supposed to notify corporate before I talk to law enforcement. 367 00:15:34,170 --> 00:15:36,310 This isn't about work, Mr. Campbell. 368 00:15:36,670 --> 00:15:38,710 What's it about then? Your brother? 369 00:15:39,270 --> 00:15:41,050 I got nothing to say about him. 370 00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:43,250 What about, uh, Glenn Edwards? 371 00:15:43,310 --> 00:15:44,990 ED: He's an inmate at Sing Sing. 372 00:15:45,050 --> 00:15:48,490 The visiting log there says you met him October 10th, 373 00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:50,290 and then again on October 12th. 374 00:15:50,350 --> 00:15:52,300 Same days as you saw your brother. 375 00:15:53,190 --> 00:15:55,430 ED: What's going on, Mr. Campbell? 376 00:15:55,490 --> 00:15:58,490 This guy Edwards said he knew something about Bobby's case. 377 00:15:58,560 --> 00:15:59,800 ED: Bobby knew about the meetings? 378 00:15:59,860 --> 00:16:01,500 No. I went to see this guy on my own. 379 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:02,700 BRISCOE: So what'd he tell you? 380 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,870 Nothing. It was a scam. He said he knew something, but he wanted money first. 381 00:16:06,970 --> 00:16:09,010 He didn't tell you that your brother was innocent? 382 00:16:09,070 --> 00:16:10,950 That he knew who the real killer was? 383 00:16:11,010 --> 00:16:12,350 No. He didn't. 384 00:16:12,410 --> 00:16:14,790 He didn't mention a guy named Jimmy Foley? 385 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:15,840 No. 386 00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:19,120 So where you were last Tuesday night, Mr. Campbell? 387 00:16:19,750 --> 00:16:22,060 I was working the night shift at my other job. 388 00:16:26,190 --> 00:16:29,260 Tuesday, the 18th, Mr. Campbell was working a building in Midtown. 389 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,800 8:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. 390 00:16:30,860 --> 00:16:32,200 ED: What kind of job is that? 391 00:16:32,260 --> 00:16:35,640 Sit at a desk, bring a book, try not to fall asleep kinda job. 392 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:37,200 Is he alone all that time? 393 00:16:37,270 --> 00:16:38,640 Well, there's a supervisor. 394 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:39,970 What about a break? 395 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,780 Half hour for dinner. Supervisor's gotta come by and relieve him. 396 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,650 BRISCOE: So, the boss isn't on the premises? 397 00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:46,980 He roves, he checks each building once an hour. 398 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,040 We want to talk to him. 399 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,080 I can page him for you. 400 00:16:50,780 --> 00:16:53,090 Uh, excuse me, are your guards bonded? 401 00:16:53,150 --> 00:16:54,960 We do extensive background checks. 402 00:16:55,020 --> 00:16:57,120 Criminal history, references, the works. 403 00:16:57,190 --> 00:16:58,660 ED: Fingerprints? 404 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,030 Absolutely. 405 00:17:01,290 --> 00:17:02,460 What else you got in the bag? 406 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,470 How's it going, Mr. Campbell? 407 00:17:04,530 --> 00:17:06,700 I'll be with you fellas in a minute. You got a receipt? 408 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,300 No, I think you're gonna come with us now. 409 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:09,640 Come with you where? 410 00:17:09,700 --> 00:17:11,370 Look, I told you guys everything I know. 411 00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:13,850 Well, we think there's a few details you left out. 412 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:15,210 How does it feel? 413 00:17:16,270 --> 00:17:19,080 Put this T-shirt back and consider yourself lucky. 414 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,090 LUKE: I told you before, I've never met anyone named Foley. 415 00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:30,150 Then maybe you can explain why your prints were in his apartment? 416 00:17:30,220 --> 00:17:32,790 Prints don't lie, Mr. Campbell. You were there. 417 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,500 Look, you seem like a decent, hardworking guy. 418 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,300 You got no criminal record. 419 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:40,430 Why don't you just tell us what happened. 420 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:42,500 Help yourself out, man. 421 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,100 You say that fingerprints don't lie, 422 00:17:44,170 --> 00:17:46,440 but that is not true, not all the time. 423 00:17:47,140 --> 00:17:48,210 Are you talking about your brother? 424 00:17:48,270 --> 00:17:50,940 They said his fingerprints were on that gun, but they weren't. 425 00:17:51,010 --> 00:17:52,280 And you know this how? 426 00:17:52,340 --> 00:17:54,380 'Cause Bobby was innocent. 427 00:17:55,380 --> 00:17:57,360 An eyewitness identified him. 428 00:17:57,650 --> 00:17:58,850 And his co-defendant. 429 00:17:58,910 --> 00:18:00,050 That witness was lying. 430 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,100 Oh, so now everybody's lied right? 431 00:18:03,850 --> 00:18:06,090 Look, I know how it sounds. 432 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,700 But I didn't know what else to do. 433 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,530 So you went there to even the score. 434 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:12,400 No. It wasn't like that. 435 00:18:12,460 --> 00:18:14,340 Then what was it like? 436 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:16,870 (SIGHS) 437 00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:19,210 Bobby said to let the lawyers handle it, 438 00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:21,270 but they've been handling it almost 12 years, 439 00:18:21,340 --> 00:18:23,040 and nothing's happened. 440 00:18:25,740 --> 00:18:29,120 When Foley came to the door, he knew right away who I was. 441 00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:30,250 HOW? 442 00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:31,920 I don't know, he just did. 443 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:33,760 I bet he was real glad to see you. 444 00:18:33,820 --> 00:18:35,850 I told him what he was doing was wrong. 445 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,690 That my brother shouldn't be serving time for a crime he didn't commit. 446 00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:39,890 And what? 447 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,490 Did you think he was just gonna confess? 448 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,540 I don't know what I thought, but when I told him, 449 00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:48,540 he just laughed, tried to close the door on me. 450 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,100 BRISCOE: And you wouldn't take "no" for an answer. 451 00:18:51,170 --> 00:18:54,050 I got past him, then I just started 452 00:18:54,740 --> 00:18:57,620 looking around for, I don't know, 453 00:18:57,670 --> 00:18:59,880 proof or something. 454 00:18:59,940 --> 00:19:02,180 That's when he grabbed me, around my neck. 455 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:05,460 I told him to let go but he wouldn't. 456 00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:07,190 And so I just pushed back and 457 00:19:09,020 --> 00:19:11,830 we fell, he must have hit his head. 458 00:19:12,590 --> 00:19:15,760 You got that right. Half his brains were on the floor. 459 00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:24,110 I go up to see Bobby twice a month 460 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,570 ever since I was old enough to drive. 461 00:19:27,970 --> 00:19:29,450 For the last six months 462 00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:34,480 I've seen him giving up, giving up hope. 463 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,150 You don't know what it's like seeing your older brother 464 00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:41,090 give up on his life. 465 00:19:43,290 --> 00:19:46,730 He's been rotting away in that prison for 12 years, 466 00:19:46,790 --> 00:19:48,460 for a crime he didn't commit. 467 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,330 And this was my one chance to prove his innocence. 468 00:19:52,790 --> 00:19:54,710 And now the guy's dead. 469 00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:57,340 (SNIFFLING) 470 00:20:01,140 --> 00:20:02,270 Self-defense. 471 00:20:02,340 --> 00:20:04,150 His lawyer served notice at arraignments. 472 00:20:04,210 --> 00:20:07,280 Awfully difficult claim to make out in another man's apartment. 473 00:20:07,340 --> 00:20:09,250 There was also a PS, no plea. 474 00:20:10,410 --> 00:20:11,950 Was this lawyer just over confident 475 00:20:12,010 --> 00:20:13,890 or does he know something we don't? 476 00:20:13,950 --> 00:20:16,860 Lieutenant Van Buren was the lead detective in the original case. 477 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,730 Back when I was in Narcotics. 478 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,490 Is there anyway they can make it seem 479 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,000 like there's any truth to what he's saying? 480 00:20:22,060 --> 00:20:23,700 That his brother's innocent? 481 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:24,930 I don't see how. 482 00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:27,370 There was also a witness. Brenda Warren. 483 00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:28,700 JACK: How reliable was she? 484 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,770 Reliable enough to convince a jury. 485 00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:33,510 Bobby Campbell's prints were also found on the murder weapon 486 00:20:33,570 --> 00:20:36,950 and his co-defendant's blood type matched the blood at the scene. 487 00:20:37,010 --> 00:20:38,580 Doesn't matter. 488 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,990 Defense counsel's still gonna try your case all over again anyway. 489 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,550 Can they do that? 490 00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:45,020 Propensity for violence. 491 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,790 If Luke Campbell can suggest Foley was the killer in his brother's case, 492 00:20:48,850 --> 00:20:51,660 he might get a jury to believe Foley was the aggressor in this one. 493 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,100 How many bites do these guys get? 494 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,640 JACK: We need to re-interview your witness. 495 00:20:58,290 --> 00:21:00,770 Brenda Warren had a drug problem. 496 00:21:00,830 --> 00:21:02,810 Was there any connection between her and Campbell? 497 00:21:02,860 --> 00:21:04,170 Any motive for her to lie? 498 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:06,970 I never found one. Neither did Campbell's lawyer. 499 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,540 We had the guy's fingerprints. 500 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,180 Well, it's been 10 years, maybe they won't be able to find her. 501 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,520 But if they do, I don't want to take any chances, 502 00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:18,490 the defense finds some way to shake her original trial testimony. 503 00:21:18,550 --> 00:21:21,030 We'll make sure all our I's are dotted and our T's are crossed. 504 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,820 They were 12 years ago. 505 00:21:26,350 --> 00:21:29,730 I don't understand, I testified at the trial. They were both convicted. 506 00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:31,200 SERENA: And we're very grateful to you for that. 507 00:21:31,260 --> 00:21:32,530 It's just, some things have come up 508 00:21:32,590 --> 00:21:35,040 that might make some people ask you about what happened again. 509 00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:37,470 What are you talking about? What things? 510 00:21:37,530 --> 00:21:39,670 Honey, could you just give us a minute. 511 00:21:40,370 --> 00:21:41,370 Sure. 512 00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:45,910 What things? 513 00:21:45,970 --> 00:21:48,110 Another man has been killed. 514 00:21:48,940 --> 00:21:50,010 I don't understand. 515 00:21:50,380 --> 00:21:51,650 Well, the person who's been arrested 516 00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:54,220 was the brother of one of the men you testified against. 517 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,280 He's after me? 518 00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:57,390 No, no. It's nothing like that. 519 00:21:57,450 --> 00:21:59,090 Then what? SERENA: Well, this man claims 520 00:21:59,150 --> 00:22:00,160 his brother was innocent. 521 00:22:00,220 --> 00:22:01,430 That the man he killed a few days ago 522 00:22:01,490 --> 00:22:04,030 was the real murderer in the case you testified in. 523 00:22:04,590 --> 00:22:06,940 How... How could this happen? 524 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,540 Some lawyers may come by here and try to speak with you. 525 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,810 No. No more lawyers. I'm not talking to any more lawyers. 526 00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:15,970 All you have to do, Miss Warren, is confirm what you said at trial. 527 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,480 No. I am not going through this again. 528 00:22:18,540 --> 00:22:20,780 Listen, I pulled my life together after this trial. 529 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,450 I got straight. I got my GED. 530 00:22:22,510 --> 00:22:24,890 You can't just walk in here and start accusing me of lying. 531 00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:27,050 We're not accusing you of anything, Miss Warren. 532 00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:30,090 I think you should both just leave. 533 00:22:30,150 --> 00:22:32,100 SERENA: They can subpoena you. 534 00:22:32,150 --> 00:22:33,790 I want you to go. 535 00:22:34,260 --> 00:22:35,500 We can subpoena you too. 536 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,300 Well, then I'll just say I don't remember. 537 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:39,400 Miss Warren, please. 538 00:22:39,460 --> 00:22:41,340 No. I said get out of my house! 539 00:22:45,470 --> 00:22:47,500 Hope she was a little more cooperative than that at the trial. 540 00:22:47,570 --> 00:22:49,910 Well, she testified over 12 years ago 541 00:22:49,970 --> 00:22:51,580 and now we show up at her door and ask her to go 542 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,280 through it all over again. 543 00:22:53,340 --> 00:22:54,550 It doesn't surprise me. 544 00:22:54,610 --> 00:22:55,880 Oh, come on, you're not gonna really tell me 545 00:22:55,940 --> 00:22:57,290 something else wasn't going on back there 546 00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:58,650 other than a little reluctance? 547 00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:01,660 I don't know what was going on, Serena, and neither do you. 548 00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:04,190 Well, what about the reward money? 549 00:23:04,250 --> 00:23:05,530 She was a crack addict, right? 550 00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:08,160 She didn't know about the reward before she came forward. 551 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:09,600 Look, she was a junkie. 552 00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:12,430 Maybe her new husband doesn't know anything about that. 553 00:23:12,490 --> 00:23:14,060 Who knows what she's afraid of now. 554 00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:16,910 Well, whatever it is, we better find it before defense counsel does. 555 00:23:16,970 --> 00:23:18,910 Well, even if she does change her story, 556 00:23:18,970 --> 00:23:21,740 we still have Campbell's prints on the murder weapon. 557 00:23:25,910 --> 00:23:29,510 You're joking, right? You're talking about a case that's over 12 years old. 558 00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:31,390 Well, you keep your records somewhere, don't you? 559 00:23:31,450 --> 00:23:34,120 Why do you need them? Campbell's kid brother is makin' noise 560 00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:36,250 about him being innocent. 561 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,560 Apple doesn't fall far, does it? 562 00:23:38,620 --> 00:23:39,930 SERENA: Look, I know it's a little inconvenient 563 00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:42,160 but we have a situation now that we need to deal with. 564 00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:43,460 What kind of situation? 565 00:23:43,530 --> 00:23:46,730 The eyewitness, we tracked her down just to cover all the bases. 566 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,270 She acted a little skittish. 567 00:23:48,330 --> 00:23:49,400 We're not sure we're gonna be able 568 00:23:49,460 --> 00:23:51,000 to count on her this time around. 569 00:23:51,270 --> 00:23:53,540 Oh, well, you may have more of a situation than you thought. 570 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,910 VAN BUREN: What do you mean? Well, we archive all the physical reports 571 00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:57,640 once the guy's last appeal's denied. 572 00:23:57,910 --> 00:24:00,150 Tell me who to contact and I'll have the file requisitioned. 573 00:24:00,210 --> 00:24:03,090 Remember that water main that burst about five years ago? 574 00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:04,590 Don't tell us. 575 00:24:04,650 --> 00:24:05,650 Yeah. 576 00:24:05,710 --> 00:24:07,890 Flooded our record room downtown. 577 00:24:07,950 --> 00:24:10,730 Campbell's prints are probably in the Gulf Stream by now. 578 00:24:12,090 --> 00:24:14,730 Whoever said that justice delayed was justice denied, 579 00:24:14,790 --> 00:24:16,630 obviously never worked in the system. 580 00:24:16,690 --> 00:24:19,500 This witness recants, it's a whole new ball game for both the Campbells. 581 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,630 Well, with any luck, it won't come down to this witness. 582 00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:23,840 The fingerprint lift is definitely gone, 583 00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:27,350 but the CSU techs take photos of the dusted prints before they lift them. 584 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,180 The police department still has those. 585 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,810 They're in an evidence locker in Brooklyn. 586 00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:33,080 JACK: We're sure they're still there? 587 00:24:33,140 --> 00:24:35,310 I sent Briscoe and Green over there this afternoon 588 00:24:35,380 --> 00:24:37,480 to walk them to the lab themselves. 589 00:24:37,550 --> 00:24:40,190 Well, call them back and tell them to pick them up. 590 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:42,230 I'm not having the same lab do the test, 591 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,820 that lost the results in the first place. 592 00:24:44,590 --> 00:24:46,930 I know this fingerprint examiner. 593 00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:49,300 She's been with the department 19 years. 594 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,270 I'm not questioning her professionalism, Lieutenant. 595 00:24:52,330 --> 00:24:55,600 I'd just rather not give defense counsel any ammunition to argue 596 00:24:55,660 --> 00:24:59,080 that the lab that couldn't even keep their evidence dry shouldn't be trusted. 597 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:01,810 Who do you want to do the analysis? 598 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,620 Send the photos over to the FBI. 599 00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:08,310 In the meantime, let's see if we can't get a DNA comparison 600 00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:11,520 on the blood that was linked to Campbell's co-defendant. 601 00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:12,890 Yeah. Anita, your detectives 602 00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:14,480 dropped them off a few hours ago. 603 00:25:14,550 --> 00:25:16,550 I was just about to take a look at 'em. 604 00:25:16,620 --> 00:25:18,660 You know, it's gonna be fun working with you again. 605 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,530 Well, there's been a little change in plans, Lisa. 606 00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:23,260 What happened? The kid took a plea? 607 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,700 Actually, the D.A.'s gonna have the FBI lab do the fingerprint analysis. 608 00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:32,730 The FBI? Why, for God sake? 609 00:25:33,070 --> 00:25:35,240 Well, there's just a feeling that the loss 610 00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:37,310 of the original file could be used 611 00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:39,370 by some lawyer as a smokescreen. 612 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,280 Oh, so now a broken water main is my fault. 613 00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:44,850 It's no one's fault. They just don't want to create a problem 614 00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:46,190 if they don't have to. 615 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,360 Well, it's ridiculous. 616 00:25:48,820 --> 00:25:49,960 I'm the lab supervisor. 617 00:25:50,020 --> 00:25:51,330 You know, no one's gonna embarrass me, 618 00:25:51,390 --> 00:25:52,990 especially some defense lawyer. 619 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:54,690 That's exactly what I told them. 620 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,100 I mean, how many hours did you and I 621 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,140 put into this case in the first place? 622 00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:59,540 Too many to count. 623 00:25:59,590 --> 00:26:02,230 Look, this conviction helped me get off the lieutenant's list 624 00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:03,780 after I took the exam. 625 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:05,900 I am not gonna let this guy slip away now. 626 00:26:06,430 --> 00:26:08,880 Well, it's not right, Anita, and you know it. 627 00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:11,050 Take 'em. 628 00:26:20,780 --> 00:26:22,090 What are we looking at? 629 00:26:22,150 --> 00:26:24,490 They're called ridge characteristics, 630 00:26:24,550 --> 00:26:27,090 areas where the ridges at the end of the fingertips 631 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,140 abruptly end or split. 632 00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:31,260 If two prints share enough of these, they match. 633 00:26:31,630 --> 00:26:32,800 I always thought you just laid prints 634 00:26:32,860 --> 00:26:34,740 on top of one another like tracing paper. 635 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,780 It's common misperception. 636 00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:39,740 Latent prints are often smudged, or overlap. 637 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,300 Plus, the pressure you press down with 638 00:26:41,370 --> 00:26:42,940 changes how a print looks. 639 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,980 We're actually comparing very different things 640 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,210 and trying to say they're similar enough. 641 00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:49,180 How similar do they have to be? 642 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,890 Well, different labs have different minimum numbers of matching detail. 643 00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:54,190 There's no universal standard? 644 00:26:54,550 --> 00:26:57,090 Some require 10 for a match, others 15. 645 00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:58,600 New York City has no minimum number. 646 00:26:58,650 --> 00:27:01,930 Each individual examiner has his own standard. 647 00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:04,060 So what about our print? 648 00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:05,930 Well, according to the trial transcript, 649 00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:07,740 your original examiner testified 650 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,000 that she observed six matching points, 651 00:27:10,060 --> 00:27:11,600 which is her minimum number. 652 00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:13,310 Isn't that enough? 653 00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:16,650 First of all, six is an extremely low number. 654 00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:20,480 But more importantly, I couldn't even figure out how she'd found six. 655 00:27:20,540 --> 00:27:22,350 I mean, they just aren't there. 656 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,420 And all this means what? It's not Campbell's print? 657 00:27:24,610 --> 00:27:26,850 I can't really say whose it is. 658 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,920 What I can say, is that your examiner 659 00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:31,400 never should have testified that this print was a match 660 00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:33,160 with Campbell's to begin with. 661 00:27:36,620 --> 00:27:38,070 It's that subjective? 662 00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:42,270 JACK: It's bound to be. They're trying to judge similarities. 663 00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:43,370 What about the eyewitness? 664 00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:45,240 Lieutenant Van Buren and I re-interviewed her. 665 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:47,280 She was extremely uncooperative. 666 00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:48,810 So then there is a reasonable chance 667 00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:51,250 that Campbell has been wrongfully convicted. 668 00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:54,010 We should know more once the DNA on the blood comes back. 669 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,710 Either way it means his brother's 670 00:27:55,780 --> 00:27:58,850 going to be able to raise questions about Foley in his case as well. 671 00:27:58,910 --> 00:28:01,690 You know, Russo's been in that lab for 19 years. 672 00:28:01,950 --> 00:28:04,090 What if she's had her finger on the scale all along? 673 00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:07,330 No telling how many cases get reversed if that's true. 674 00:28:07,390 --> 00:28:10,560 But I'd rather not open the floodgates based on speculation. 675 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,000 Randomly test 20 of her cases. 676 00:28:14,060 --> 00:28:16,740 Let's find out if we got a cop in a lab coat. 677 00:28:17,670 --> 00:28:20,770 I found seven false positives out of the 20 that I tested. 678 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,470 It's almost a third. Statistically, it's impossible 679 00:28:24,540 --> 00:28:27,250 that she just kept making that many mistakes. 680 00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:29,020 And it gets worse. How? 681 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,750 The original forensics team recovered 682 00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:34,380 over a dozen partial prints from inside the car 683 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,090 where the victim had been shot. 684 00:28:36,150 --> 00:28:39,260 Now, fortunately, those prints were kept in a file at another location. 685 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,200 At the time, this examiner declared them all unidentifiable. 686 00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:44,630 That wasn't true. 687 00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:47,300 FBI agent found a print in the vehicle 688 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,070 with an eight point comparison. 689 00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:52,370 AFIS spit out a possible, belongs to a guy named Ray Gifford. 690 00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:53,500 Who's he? 691 00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:56,110 He and Foley were arrested together over a half dozen times. 692 00:28:56,170 --> 00:28:57,410 Where's Gifford now? 693 00:28:57,470 --> 00:29:01,350 In a state prison in Florida doing life without parole on a drug sale. 694 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,050 An eight point comparison. 695 00:29:04,810 --> 00:29:06,550 So you never looked into Gifford? 696 00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:10,160 I never even heard of him or Foley until a few weeks ago. 697 00:29:10,220 --> 00:29:13,860 I had an eyewitness who had already ID'd Campbell and Martin, 698 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,760 and then the print came back. 699 00:29:15,820 --> 00:29:18,000 SERENA: The only theory of the case had two assailants. 700 00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:20,370 Foley's prints are as good a match to the print on the gun 701 00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:21,910 as Campbell's, and he admitted the killing 702 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,770 to our friend Edwards up in Sing Sing. 703 00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:26,240 And Brenda Warren ran drugs for Gifford. 704 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,070 So if Gifford and Foley committed the murder, 705 00:29:30,140 --> 00:29:31,910 it means Campbell and Martin were innocent. 706 00:29:34,510 --> 00:29:36,180 I don't understand. 707 00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:39,850 Does this Russo just make stuff up out of whole cloth? 708 00:29:39,910 --> 00:29:43,860 Jack, I have known Lisa Russo a long time. 709 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,060 She has always been good people 710 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,860 and the best in the lab. 711 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,300 The FBI found seven other false positives that weren't even close. 712 00:29:52,690 --> 00:29:55,940 JACK: Get the paperwork started to get Campbell released. 713 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,310 SERENA: What do you want to do about Brenda Warren? 714 00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:01,770 Pick her up for perjury. 715 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,860 Bobby Campbell was just released. 716 00:30:10,910 --> 00:30:13,260 And I made arrangements for Luke Campbell to be there when he was. 717 00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:15,790 We dismissed Luke Campbell's case, right? 718 00:30:15,850 --> 00:30:18,850 His older brother just spent more than 12 years in jail 719 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,370 for a crime he didn't commit. 720 00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:21,800 There isn't a jury in the world 721 00:30:21,860 --> 00:30:23,530 that would reject self-defense and convict him. 722 00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:25,540 I'm not sure I'd want to ask them to anyway. 723 00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:29,240 What are our chances if we go after Russo for manslaughter? 724 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,740 We'd have to show she knowingly lied 725 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,940 and that her lie led to Martin's death. 726 00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:37,670 But, for all we know, she was using her judgment. 727 00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:41,290 The system can't be based just on judgment calls. 728 00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:43,380 There has to be a set of standards. 729 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,650 Standards might not take into account 730 00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:48,420 the complexity of fingerprint analysis. 731 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,590 Everything in the system relies on people's judgment, Nora. 732 00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:53,630 But when people cross the line, 733 00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:55,170 they need to be held accountable. 734 00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:57,900 We have no proof that Russo knowingly lied. 735 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,340 Every one of her so called mistakes 736 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,200 was made in favor of the prosecution. 737 00:31:02,260 --> 00:31:06,730 To me, that means, she was neither mistaken nor is she incompetent. 738 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,080 We'd also have to prove that Martin's death was a foreseeable consequence. 739 00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:13,650 In Sing Sing? Yeah. 740 00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:17,610 Prison officials won't like us airing their laundry. 741 00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:20,990 Then they should clean up their act. 742 00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:25,660 What now? 743 00:31:27,050 --> 00:31:29,130 I need you to come down to the precinct. 744 00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:30,460 I've got a lab to run. 745 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,760 Get somebody to cover. 746 00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:33,810 I'm giving you a heads up here, Lisa. 747 00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:35,570 You know what, Anita, 748 00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:37,910 I'm done being polite because we're friends. 749 00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:40,140 I even watched while you people let a convicted murderer 750 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,680 walk out the door. 751 00:31:41,740 --> 00:31:43,480 I'm not gonna be quiet anymore. 752 00:31:43,540 --> 00:31:46,110 Well, if you do start talking, I have to warn you 753 00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:47,880 you have the right to remain silent. 754 00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:49,350 What the hell is this? Lisa Russo, you're under arrest 755 00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:52,220 for manslaughter in the death of Larry Martin. 756 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,460 You have the right to an attorney. 757 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,290 If you cannot afford one, one will be provided for you. 758 00:31:58,390 --> 00:32:00,390 You understand these rights... 759 00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:05,360 She's a civil servant what are you arraigning her on? 760 00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:06,500 JACK: Man two. 761 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,770 SERENA: And there's no offer. 762 00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:11,040 Oh, come on. You don't have a chance at trial and you know it. 763 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,210 She'll take an unpaid leave for six months, 764 00:32:13,270 --> 00:32:14,940 go through rigorous retraining. 765 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,540 This isn't a negotiation. 766 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,880 You're right. 767 00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:21,080 Without proof that she acted with any criminal intent, it's a witch-hunt. 768 00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:23,490 Your client got up in a court of law and lied, 769 00:32:23,540 --> 00:32:27,050 knowing these juries would rely on her testimony. 770 00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:28,750 Innocent men were sent to prison. 771 00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:30,560 One of them's dead because of it. 772 00:32:30,620 --> 00:32:32,660 Any way you cut it, it's manslaughter. 773 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,200 (SIGHS DEEPLY) 774 00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:36,000 I can't believe this. 775 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,940 You would send me to jail for doing my job? 776 00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:41,130 Not a word, Lisa. Not another word. 777 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,570 We're done. 778 00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:55,110 Larry and I were doing construction back in '90. 779 00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:58,520 JACK: What, if anything, happened on June 8th of that year? 780 00:32:59,180 --> 00:33:02,350 Two detectives came and arrested us for murder. 781 00:33:02,420 --> 00:33:04,490 They said they had a witness that saw me and Larry 782 00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:06,330 kill some guy near the job site. 783 00:33:06,390 --> 00:33:08,060 What did you think at the time? 784 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,160 Well, at first I wasn't scared. 785 00:33:11,230 --> 00:33:12,730 I mean, I was innocent. 786 00:33:13,660 --> 00:33:15,270 I didn't know who this guy was, 787 00:33:15,330 --> 00:33:16,970 or how he got killed, or anything like that. 788 00:33:17,030 --> 00:33:20,380 Then this one female detective came to see me in jail. 789 00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:23,110 Said they'd matched my fingerprints with the gun. 790 00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:26,880 After that it was like a nightmare. 791 00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:29,020 What happened? 792 00:33:29,740 --> 00:33:31,620 The jury convicted me. 793 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:34,120 Judge gave me 25-to-life. 794 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,690 How did that affect you? 795 00:33:39,550 --> 00:33:42,090 My wife and I tried to hold it together, 796 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,160 but finally got divorced. 797 00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:47,430 She thought it would be better for our baby 798 00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:51,070 if he didn't have to deal with a father that was in prison. 799 00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:54,370 She was right, but, 800 00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:58,380 my kid had to grow up without me. 801 00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:01,850 And Larry Martin? 802 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,520 Three years ago, Larry got shanked by another inmate. 803 00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:07,490 He died in the infirmary. 804 00:34:09,620 --> 00:34:12,100 Larry just wasn't cut out for prison life. 805 00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:16,290 Nothing further. 806 00:34:22,660 --> 00:34:24,340 You testified at your trial 807 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,840 that you were home with your wife on the day of the shooting? 808 00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:28,280 Yes. 809 00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:30,010 But a witness identified you and Mr. Martin 810 00:34:30,070 --> 00:34:31,740 as the two men who were running from the victim's auto 811 00:34:31,810 --> 00:34:33,550 after the shots, isn't that right? 812 00:34:33,610 --> 00:34:37,320 All I know is I spent 12 years in prison for a crime I didn't commit. 813 00:34:37,380 --> 00:34:38,520 So you say, 814 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,690 but the witness never changed her story, did she? 815 00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:43,660 Even after she was arrested for perjury. 816 00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:44,860 Objection. 817 00:34:45,220 --> 00:34:46,600 JUDGE: Sustained. 818 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:50,030 Nothing further. 819 00:34:53,790 --> 00:34:57,370 JACK: Mr. Foster, did you examine a latent print in this case, 820 00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:59,670 and compare it to the prints of Bobby Campbell? 821 00:34:59,730 --> 00:35:01,650 Yes, I did. What were your findings? 822 00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:04,650 Well, the print on the firearm was of no value. 823 00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:07,210 I could not determine that it belonged to Mr. Campbell. 824 00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:10,590 Did you also examine 20 other sets of latent prints 825 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:12,250 that had previously been examined 826 00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:14,160 and identified by the defendant? 827 00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:16,290 Yes. And in seven out of the 20, 828 00:35:16,350 --> 00:35:18,630 I found she'd made false positives. 829 00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:20,690 What conclusions did you draw from that? 830 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,500 The comparisons that she was making 831 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,660 were so far below any standard that, in my opinion, 832 00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:28,940 her testimony in those cases was knowingly false. 833 00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:41,120 How many points does the FBI use comparing prints? 834 00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:43,680 We don't rely on any minimum number at all. 835 00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:47,280 We rely on the expertise and the overall impression of the examiner. 836 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,560 So, examiners are allowed to make matches based on, say, six points? 837 00:35:53,090 --> 00:35:55,530 Theoretically, but other factors... 838 00:35:55,590 --> 00:35:59,000 In fact, fingerprint analysis has never been scientifically tested, has it? 839 00:35:59,060 --> 00:36:00,560 Objection. 840 00:36:00,630 --> 00:36:02,610 The technique's not on trial here, Your Honor, 841 00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:03,730 Miss Russo is. 842 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,470 Your Honor, my client is being accused of intentional inaccuracy. 843 00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:10,380 I think we should be allowed to establish that the technique itself 844 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,970 may be inaccurate and therefore to blame. 845 00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:14,120 I agree. 846 00:36:14,180 --> 00:36:16,210 But don't go too far astray, Mr. Rowan. 847 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,850 The objection's overruled. 848 00:36:18,910 --> 00:36:21,120 The methodology is based on the premise 849 00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:24,250 that no two sets of fingerprints are alike. 850 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,390 Yes, but no one really knows 851 00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:28,460 what the error rates are, do they? 852 00:36:29,090 --> 00:36:30,760 No. Which means you can't sit here today 853 00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:32,570 and tell us that print is not Campbell's? 854 00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:33,760 Well, I don't think it is... 855 00:36:33,830 --> 00:36:37,110 But you cannot absolutely exclude him, can you? 856 00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:39,900 No, I can't. 857 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,350 I observed six matching points between the latent print 858 00:36:50,410 --> 00:36:52,520 and the prints that were provided to me. 859 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,860 Agent Foster testified that he couldn't find six. 860 00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:58,560 In my opinion he's being overly conservative. 861 00:36:58,890 --> 00:37:01,370 So two examiners can disagree in good faith. 862 00:37:01,420 --> 00:37:04,670 A good examiner uses his or her best judgment. 863 00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:08,100 The lab standard is 12, but that's a guideline only. 864 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,630 And in the Campbell case, I used my judgment 865 00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,300 and relied on my expertise and experience. 866 00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:15,280 I've been doing that for over 19 years. 867 00:37:15,340 --> 00:37:16,970 Have you ever made a mistake? 868 00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:18,140 Well, I hope not. 869 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,880 That would be a fingerprint examiner's worst nightmare. 870 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,780 All I can say is 871 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,410 that I performed my job the way I was trained to do it, 872 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,260 and I did the very best that I could do. 873 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,200 You said you thought 874 00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:42,140 that Agent Foster was being too conservative. 875 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,480 That's right. 876 00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:46,810 And you're comfortable 877 00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:49,350 with a minimum number of six matching points? 878 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,540 Yes. 879 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,050 Are there other examiners in your lab who require more? 880 00:37:54,110 --> 00:37:56,420 Yes. It's a matter of professional judgment. 881 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,580 But no one who relies on less. 882 00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:00,720 I suppose not. 883 00:38:03,820 --> 00:38:05,090 Does the name Simon Garrison 884 00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:07,150 mean anything to you, Miss Russo? 885 00:38:07,220 --> 00:38:08,700 Not off hand. 886 00:38:09,090 --> 00:38:10,800 How about the face? 887 00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:14,060 No. 888 00:38:14,130 --> 00:38:15,940 1998. 889 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,070 Your testimony was the key piece of evidence against him. 890 00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:20,370 If you say so. 891 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,710 Isn't it the case, 892 00:38:23,770 --> 00:38:27,240 that after four other examiners in your office 893 00:38:27,310 --> 00:38:29,020 had examined the prints 894 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,080 and refused to declare a match, 895 00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:33,560 that you had the case reassigned to yourself? 896 00:38:33,610 --> 00:38:35,960 In my opinion, the prints were a match. 897 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,720 How about John Quilty? 898 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,330 Three other examiners refused, you declared a match. 899 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,600 I don't remember. 900 00:38:46,660 --> 00:38:47,660 Danny Meyer. 901 00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:50,940 Again, three other examiners. 902 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,380 Your Honor... I looked at the prints in those cases. 903 00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:56,310 They could be matched, so I reassigned them to myself. 904 00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:58,150 I don't see anything wrong with that. 905 00:38:58,210 --> 00:38:59,620 JACK: You don't? 906 00:39:00,270 --> 00:39:01,720 Case after case, 907 00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:03,950 you got on a witness stand, 908 00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:06,010 cloaked in the aura of an expert, 909 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,360 and declared a scientific certainty, 910 00:39:08,420 --> 00:39:10,950 when in fact, numerous other examiners, 911 00:39:11,020 --> 00:39:12,860 had said that they were not a match. 912 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,590 I have 19 years experience. 913 00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:17,640 I use my best judgment. 914 00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:20,060 And your best judgment 915 00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:22,700 sent Bobby Campbell and Larry Martin to prison. 916 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,760 Two innocent men! 917 00:39:23,830 --> 00:39:25,610 A jury did that. 918 00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:29,580 Relying on evidence testified to by you. 919 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,950 There was also an eye witness, the same blood type. 920 00:39:33,010 --> 00:39:34,680 And you knew that, when you looked 921 00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:36,190 at those fingerprints didn't you? 922 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,090 Oh, they were guilty. Everybody knew that. 923 00:39:39,150 --> 00:39:43,990 Not until you decided to declare the prints a match. 924 00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:16,290 Madam Foreperson, have the members of the jury reached a verdict? 925 00:40:16,350 --> 00:40:18,130 Yes, we have, Your Honor. 926 00:40:18,190 --> 00:40:20,290 In the matter of the people of the state of New York 927 00:40:20,350 --> 00:40:22,990 against Lisa Russo, how do you find? 928 00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:26,600 On the charge of Manslaughter in the Second Degree, 929 00:40:26,660 --> 00:40:28,640 we the jury, find the defendant 930 00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:29,940 sunny, 931 00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:31,970 (PEOPLE MURMURING) 932 00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:37,850 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 933 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,830 (KNOCKS ON DOOR) 934 00:40:58,060 --> 00:40:59,730 I finished those fives you wanted. 935 00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:01,070 Oh, thanks. 936 00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:03,870 (SIGHING) 937 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:07,270 I'm fine, Lennie. 938 00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:09,610 I just wanted to make sure. 939 00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:14,250 You know, you nudge a witness in the right direction at a line up, 940 00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:17,510 the gun was in plain view, 941 00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:20,190 not under the seat. 942 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,020 We do that all the time. 943 00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:27,500 You wouldn't have passed off those prints to the D.A. 944 00:41:27,550 --> 00:41:29,900 unless she told you there was a match. 945 00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:37,140 Closing that case got me noticed, Lennie. 946 00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:44,110 And I used to hear the whispers 947 00:41:44,170 --> 00:41:46,120 and the chatter behind my back. 948 00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:48,550 "She got it 'cause she's black." 949 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,460 "She got it 'cause she's a woman." 950 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,190 And I never listened to that crap 951 00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:59,220 because I knew I had earned it. 952 00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:05,370 You made lieutenant because you're a great cop. 953 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,100 All the drug collars you made, 954 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,940 all the killers you put behind bars. 955 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,880 This one case isn't gonna undo all of that. 956 00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:18,820 I'm not so sure, Lennie. 957 00:42:21,340 --> 00:42:22,340 (SIGHS) 958 00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:25,620 I'm not so sure. 959 00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:35,500 (DOOR BUZZING) 960 00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:41,100 Thank you. 961 00:42:46,330 --> 00:42:49,280 If you came here to apologize, do us both a favor, 962 00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:52,380 don't. You know, I have been 963 00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:56,110 racking my brain trying to figure out 964 00:42:56,180 --> 00:42:59,160 if I gave you any signals that I wanted you to do this. 965 00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:03,920 Oh, so you came by to make yourself feel better. 966 00:43:03,980 --> 00:43:06,020 To confirm your moral superiority. 967 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,600 I want to know why you did it. 968 00:43:17,230 --> 00:43:19,910 Those were people's lives you were playing with. 969 00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:22,680 You know, I don't recall you crying so hard 970 00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:24,440 when you made first grade off this case. 971 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:27,540 I never knew you lied! 972 00:43:27,610 --> 00:43:29,520 Oh, please! 973 00:43:29,580 --> 00:43:31,990 You people come in, you give me the evidence. 974 00:43:32,050 --> 00:43:34,460 You tell me, "See what you can come up with, Lisa." 975 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,360 And I gave you exactly what you wanted. 976 00:43:37,420 --> 00:43:38,560 (PANTING) 977 00:43:38,620 --> 00:43:41,690 And you know what? You are the worst kind of hypocrite. 978 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:45,700 And are you really gonna sit there 979 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,800 and tell me that you don't blur the boundaries? 980 00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:51,000 Go home 981 00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:53,640 and look in the mirror, Anita. 982 00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:55,080 And when you do, 983 00:43:55,140 --> 00:43:58,780 you ask yourself is it right that I'm in here 984 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,820 (SHOUTING) and you're not? 985 00:44:04,980 --> 00:44:06,320 Guard! 77864

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