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NARRATOR:
In the criminal justice system
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the people are represented
by two separate
yet equally important groups,
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the police
who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Can't you hook up
with a guy who lives in
an elevator building?
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Quit bitchin',
we're here.
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Thank God, these
heels are killing me.
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Jimmy, you in there?
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Jimmy!
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He's with
that Connie Ditchko,
I'm gonna kill him.
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That Ukrainian girl?
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Oh, relax, he'll call
you tomorrow. Come on.
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Wait.
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What, Jimmy gave you
the keys to his crib?
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You only been
with him a month.
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He didn't give it
to me. I took it.
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Oh, you go, girl.
(SNICKERS)
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Jimmy!
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Jimmy!
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(GASPS) Oh, my God.
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(CRYING) Jimmy!
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Oh. my God!
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And the dead guy is
James Foley, 36.
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Girlfriend was supposed
to meet him at some club,
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he didn't show,
she came looking for him.
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I guess it was
the maid's week off.
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ED: Hmm. I'm no M.E.,
but it looks like
this guy
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got his head bashed in.
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Maybe they were fighting over
which TV show to watch.
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It's a lot of blood.
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Head wounds.
Bleed like crazy.
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Tell me about it.
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When I was a kid,
I fell off my bike,
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split my scalp
wide open.
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My mother thought
I was gonna die.
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How many stitches?
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Twenty-six.
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Beats me.
Most I ever got
was eight.
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Bobby Delillo split my lip
open playing stickball.
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(CHUCKLES) Stickball?
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Hey, Willie Mays
was a three sewer
stickball player.
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Guess he was
in the middle
of shaving.
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Mmm. Looks like
he missed a spot.
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Blunt force trauma,
skull fracture.
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Cause of death,
epidural bleeding.
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That never happened
playing stickball.
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CSU found blood splatters
on the television set,
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mixed with hair fibers
and skull particulate.
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Any chance
this was an accident?
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I did blood alcohol
and ran a tox screen.
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He'd had
a couple of drinks.
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But was he inebriated enough
to stagger around
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and pull the TV down
on top of himself?
I don't think so.
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So it was a homicide.
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I found fresh bruises
on his torso,
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consistent with
punches or blows.
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So what,
they waltz around,
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the perp picks up the TV set
and bashes his skull in?
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Or they tussle,
the perp shoves him,
he falls down.
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Irresistible force meets
immovable object.
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I also found some
blue synthetic fibers
on Foley's pants,
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which matched fibers
CSU pulled from
the window sill.
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That's a long shot.
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Well, lab says
these type of fibers
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are used to
make work clothes,
uniforms, jackets.
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Maybe the cable guy.
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Yeah right.
Like they ever show up.
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What about
the girlfriend?
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Witnesses put her
at the club at
the time of the murder.
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And these blue fibers?
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Maybe Foley was
a sucker for a uniform.
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There's no sign of a break-in.
According to the girlfriend,
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she had to use
her key to get in.
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So Foley's shaving,
gettin' ready
to go out.
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He buzzes the guy up,
lets him in.
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They fight,
Foley gets his head
smashed in,
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the perp either closes
the door behind him
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or he goes out the window
and down the fire escape.
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And leaves
a few fibers behind.
What about prints?
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Latent lifted
53 partials.
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Popular fella.
How about the canvass?
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A neighbor heard
two men arguing,
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and then aloud bang,
sometime around 10:45.
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Yeah. That would've
been the TV set,
imploding on Foley's skull.
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Another neighbor
said she saw Foley arguing
with a heavyset white guy
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in front of his building
a few weeks ago.
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She know
what that was about?
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Only that it got
pretty heated.
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Yeah, unfortunately,
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there's no
"heavyset white guy"
listed in the phone book.
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What else do we know
about Foley?
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Well, he had a record.
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Uh, couple of assaults,
drug possession.
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That explains
the visitors.
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Last bust was
for four grams of coke.
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He got probation.
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With that record?
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Maybe his lawyer
was Clarence Darrow.
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ED:
Girlfriend seemed to think
he'd cleaned up his act.
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Girlfriends are always
the last to know.
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Them and
probation officers.
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Well, he's been passing
his urine tests.
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As far as I know
he was clean.
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What about
this last bust?
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Well, the cops raided
some dance club
he was working at.
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They found some coke
behind the bar.
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So how'd
he get probation?
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What I heard,
they screwed up
the search.
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Our Fourth Amendment
at work.
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Well, except for this
family court thing,
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I thought that Foley
was doin' pretty good.
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ED: What family
court thing?
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Some custody fight
or something.
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BRISCOE:
He had a kid?
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Yeah. With
an ex-girlfriend.
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Apparently, she's been
ridin' his ass
about child support.
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Only Foley never
shows up in court.
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Finally,
this family court
judge calls me,
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tells me,
if Foley doesn't show up
for the next date,
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I should violate
his probation.
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When was this?
Few weeks ago.
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But I checked.
Foley showed.
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Laura Rodriguez
filed a V petition
against James Foley
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for custody and support
on January 8th of '98.
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That's over
three years ago.
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Guy ignored the summons.
A lot of 'em do.
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So what happened
when Foley finally
did show?
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It was one of those real
knockdown drag out
type of things.
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ED: Which ended how?
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Mother got full custody
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plus an order
from the court,
for support
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dating back to
when the kid was born.
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BRISCOE:
Foley make a payment?
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Uh, not on that day.
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I'd have to check
another file to see
if he's made one since.
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Dead beat dad
Don't waste your time.
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Mother couldn't have been
too happy about that.
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Well, if you ask me,
I think the real fight
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was about the fact
that mom brought
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a new boyfriend
with her to court.
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Who's that?
Never got a name.
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But he and Foley got
into it pretty good
in the hallway.
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Couple of court officers
had to break it up.
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Look, I'm sorry
Jimmy got himself killed,
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but I got nothin'
to do with him anymore.
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I been tryin' to put
all that behind me.
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That's hard to do
when you got
a kid together.
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Jimmy wasn't part
of Billy's life.
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Never has been.
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There's another man
in the picture.
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What's that got to do
with anything?
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Miss Rodriguez,
we know about the fight
outside the courtroom.
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Go in and play
in the other room, okay?
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Mommy'll be right in.
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Three years, three years
and I don't get a cent.
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Billy never gets so much
as a birthday card
from Jimmy.
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It finally takes a judge
to make him show up.
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And then he thinks
he's got the right to
tell me how to live my life.
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He objected
to your relationship?
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Yeah.
I think callin' me a slut
would qualify, don't you?
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BRISCOE: What's your
boyfriend's name?
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Terry.
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Terry Fullmer.
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What was the fight about?
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I guess Jimmy didn't like
the way Terry was lookin'
at him or something,
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'cause he said something
to Terry
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and then Terry
said something back
and Jimmy swung on him.
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This Terry?
Yeah.
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Heavyset white guy.
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Terry's been
the only man
in Billy's life.
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He buys him things,
babysits.
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He's a good person.
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I met the guy
a couple times.
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I take it you two
didn't get along.
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He treated
Laura like crap,
and Billy.
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So, no, he wasn't
my favorite person
on God's green Earth.
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Laura says you've been
helping out, huh?
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That's what a grown man does.
Takes care of his family.
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Not like Foley.
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Deadbeat wouldn't even
fork over a couple bucks
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for diapers
when money was tight.
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That must've really
pissed you off,
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paying for a kid
who wasn't yours.
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Wasn't the way I saw it,
but what's your point?
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A witness ID'd you
arguing with Foley
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in front of
his apartment building
a few weeks ago.
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We had some words.
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I was just tryin'
to get him
to come to court.
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You wanna tell us
where you were
last night?
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With Laura at home.
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That's not much
of an alibi.
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You think
I killed Foley?
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Much as I hated the hump,
I wouldn't do that to Billy.
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Guy was still his father.
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Look, I was just
tryin' to do right
by Laura and the kid.
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Then, uh, you won't mind
if we borrow your shirt.
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For what?
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Hey, man, if you don't
want to cooperate, we'll
come back with a warrant.
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I got nothin' to hide.
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Foley hardly even knew
his own kid's name.
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Whoever did this to him,
he had it coming.
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No fiber match
on Fullmer's shirt.
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Even if there were,
you'd still have to
put him at the scene.
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We re-canvassed
the building
with Fullmer's photo,
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to see if anybody saw him
the night of the murder.
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No luck.
Excuse me, Lieutenant.
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Prints from Foley's
apartment came back.
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Thanks, Cordova.
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Any matches for Fullmer?
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I don't see his name.
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But AFIS hit on
eight partials,
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generated a list
of possibles.
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Wow.
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So much
for not consorting
with known felons.
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Most of these
are drug charges.
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Another successful
probationer.
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Here's one guy with
a manslaughter rap.
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Maybe Foley shorted
the wrong customer.
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I ain't seen Foley
in almost a year.
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That's funny. The neighbor
says she remembers
your face pretty good.
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Says you used to come up
to see him all the time.
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Social visits,
Mr. Lynch?
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Hey, look,
just 'cause a guy goes
to see another guy,
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doesn't mean
anything illegal
happened.
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It does if
they're both felons.
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Or if one of them got
his skull smashed in.
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Well, what are
you talking about?
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Your friend Foley
got himself killed.
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Now, your prints
being there,
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plus your previously
demonstrated willingness
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to take a man's life,
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maybe you might wanna
help us out on this.
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When did this happen?
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ED: We're not gonna
help you out with
an alibi, Mr. Lynch.
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Yeah. I work every night.
I get on at 6:00,
I'm here 'till midnight.
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If it happened between then,
it couldn't have been me.
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But you have seen him more
recently than a year ago,
haven't you?
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BRISCOE:
When was the last time
you saw him?
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Hey, man,
don't make us go
to your PO.
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Maybe three,
four months ago.
242
00:10:17,750 --> 00:10:19,200
I heard he was movin'
a lot of product
243
00:10:19,250 --> 00:10:20,790
out of that club
he worked at.
244
00:10:20,860 --> 00:10:23,030
And you weren't too happy
just being a busboy?
245
00:10:23,090 --> 00:10:24,370
Only nothin' happened.
246
00:10:24,430 --> 00:10:26,910
Foley got busted himself
a few days before I saw him.
247
00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,170
Said it was a lot of coke
and he had to lay low
for awhile.
248
00:10:29,230 --> 00:10:30,840
We heard it was
just a few grams.
249
00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:34,240
I guess some of it
got lost on the way
to the station house.
250
00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,480
Look, all I know is Foley
said he wasn't going to jail.
251
00:10:38,670 --> 00:10:40,120
Why do you want to
know about Foley?
252
00:10:40,180 --> 00:10:42,660
We were just wondering
how he got off with
a jaywalking ticket
253
00:10:42,710 --> 00:10:44,780
on a half pound of coke.
254
00:10:44,850 --> 00:10:46,330
Problems with the search.
255
00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:48,450
You had
a valid search warrant.
We pulled your jacket.
256
00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,620
Where do you get off
pulling one of
my case files?
257
00:10:50,690 --> 00:10:53,830
The case came in
A1 weight,
it went out C weight.
258
00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,300
I don't think I like
your implication,
Detective.
259
00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,130
And I don't think
we like being told
the same story
260
00:10:58,190 --> 00:10:59,760
you supplied
the probation officer.
261
00:11:00,130 --> 00:11:02,110
Why all this interest
in a maggot like Foley?
262
00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,610
ED: Because this maggot
got himself murdered
the other day.
263
00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,400
I hadn't heard.
264
00:11:08,740 --> 00:11:09,810
So now you want
to tell us
265
00:11:09,870 --> 00:11:13,050
how Foley got himself
a "get out of jail free" card?
266
00:11:14,940 --> 00:11:16,620
We flipped him.
267
00:11:16,810 --> 00:11:18,790
Foley was
a confidential informant.
268
00:11:26,020 --> 00:11:27,130
A Cl?
Yeah.
269
00:11:27,190 --> 00:11:29,860
Narcotics said
that they'd been sitting
on Foley for months,
270
00:11:29,930 --> 00:11:32,500
got a tip that he'd been
moving some real quantity
out of this club.
271
00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:33,730
How much did they find?
272
00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,040
A half a pound
of uncut cocaine.
273
00:11:36,100 --> 00:11:38,740
So they
get their information
and Foley gets probation.
274
00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,940
And the PO gets
some bogus story about
a search gone bad.
275
00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,570
Yeah. Give me
a nice clean
homicide any day.
276
00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,050
How much information
did Foley provide?
277
00:11:47,110 --> 00:11:48,880
Well, according to the cops
who handle him,
278
00:11:48,940 --> 00:11:50,550
in three months,
Foley's dropped a dime
279
00:11:50,610 --> 00:11:52,420
on about half
a dozen bad guys.
280
00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,620
Do they think anyone
found out about it?
281
00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:56,250
BRISCOE:
There's one for sure.
282
00:11:57,490 --> 00:11:58,690
"Glenn Edwards."
283
00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,670
Foley testified
against him
at the trial.
284
00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,530
He got transferred
to Sing Sing a month ago.
285
00:12:04,590 --> 00:12:06,730
Whose turn is it
to put in for gas money?
286
00:12:12,530 --> 00:12:14,840
You wasted a trip.
I got nothing
against Foley.
287
00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:17,940
BRISCOE:
That's funny, we heard
he sent you here.
288
00:12:18,010 --> 00:12:19,680
Guess he did
what he had to do.
289
00:12:19,740 --> 00:12:21,240
That's a pretty
enlightened attitude
290
00:12:21,310 --> 00:12:22,580
you got there,
Mr. Edwards.
291
00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,120
Now if I found out
some guy ratted me out...
292
00:12:24,180 --> 00:12:26,750
What comes around,
goes around,
why sweat it.
293
00:12:26,820 --> 00:12:28,560
Then you knew
Foley was dead?
294
00:12:28,620 --> 00:12:31,030
My people thought the news
might cheer me up.
295
00:12:31,150 --> 00:12:33,460
Yeah,
we were thinking
the same thing.
296
00:12:34,390 --> 00:12:35,390
Yeah?
297
00:12:36,330 --> 00:12:37,700
Well, I got
a pretty good alibi.
298
00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,040
BRISCOE: Well, doesn't
mean you couldn't have
had one of your people
299
00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:41,800
arrange it though,
does it?
300
00:12:41,860 --> 00:12:45,240
Just 'cause I fanned
a few flames doesn't
mean I set the fire.
301
00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:46,780
Meaning what?
302
00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,650
Look into a dude
Foley capped about
10 years ago.
303
00:12:49,710 --> 00:12:52,080
What? He came back from
the dead for revenge?
304
00:12:52,140 --> 00:12:54,920
Foley skated on the murder
but it turns out
305
00:12:55,010 --> 00:12:57,750
the guy who's actually
convicted for it is
right here in this prison.
306
00:12:57,810 --> 00:12:59,790
ED: And you
know this how?
307
00:12:59,950 --> 00:13:02,430
Told you.
What goes around,
comes around.
308
00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:03,660
When I got
transferred here,
309
00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,430
I found myself
on the same cell block
with an innocent man.
310
00:13:07,820 --> 00:13:09,060
I just thought
he might like to know
311
00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,540
who he's doin
his time for,
that's all.
312
00:13:13,460 --> 00:13:15,940
Edwards never told me
anything about anybody
named Foley.
313
00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,570
Now why would he make
something like that up.
314
00:13:17,630 --> 00:13:18,770
How do I know?
315
00:13:18,830 --> 00:13:20,610
He's the one
who had the beef
with this guy.
316
00:13:20,670 --> 00:13:22,980
And he just happens
to point the finger
at you?
317
00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,350
Things like that
happen in here
all the time.
318
00:13:25,740 --> 00:13:27,220
Look, I don't know
why he would tell you
319
00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,350
that he talked to me
about Foley. He didn't.
320
00:13:29,410 --> 00:13:31,860
So you never heard
of James Foley?
321
00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,690
ED: Look, Mr. Campbell,
the warden says
322
00:13:34,750 --> 00:13:37,990
that you've been
proclaiming your innocence
since you set foot in here.
323
00:13:38,050 --> 00:13:40,000
Doesn't seem
to have done me
much good, does it?
324
00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:42,330
Well, who knows,
maybe today's
your lucky day.
325
00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,140
I been up here for 12 years
for a crime I didn't commit.
326
00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,340
The guy who was sent
here with me already
died in this place.
327
00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,180
If my lucky day includes
two detectives accusing me
of another murder,
328
00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,810
I think I'll just pass.
329
00:13:56,910 --> 00:14:00,550
Edwards' phone log
from Sing Sing doesn't
have any outgoing calls
330
00:14:00,610 --> 00:14:02,150
within a week of
Foley's murder.
331
00:14:02,210 --> 00:14:04,190
Maybe he sent
a postcard.
332
00:14:04,510 --> 00:14:08,360
Victim in the Campbell
murder was a gang banger
named David Gale.
333
00:14:08,420 --> 00:14:11,060
There was an eyewitness,
fingerprints on
the murder weapon.
334
00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,690
Another innocent man
falsely convicted.
335
00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,930
This witness had
a pretty good sheet.
336
00:14:16,630 --> 00:14:18,130
Possession,
prostitution.
337
00:14:18,190 --> 00:14:21,900
Hey, like we always say,
if only all our witnesses
could be choir boys.
338
00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,770
But the forensics
were good you said?
339
00:14:23,830 --> 00:14:25,900
Set of partials
on the gun.
340
00:14:25,970 --> 00:14:27,070
Moving on.
341
00:14:27,140 --> 00:14:28,670
Hmm. Maybe not.
342
00:14:29,300 --> 00:14:31,880
Lead detective
on the case was...
343
00:14:38,110 --> 00:14:39,520
Of course,
I remember the case.
344
00:14:39,580 --> 00:14:41,030
I made grade
because of it.
345
00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,320
You got grade money
in Narcotics?
346
00:14:42,380 --> 00:14:45,060
Well, city was in the midst
of a crack epidemic.
347
00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,530
The victim was
a Lower East Side dealer.
348
00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:50,800
One more dead crack dealer.
Practically a public service.
349
00:14:50,860 --> 00:14:54,470
Only this one was shot
in a park across
from City Hall.
350
00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,030
The mayor went ballistic,
wanted it solved fast.
351
00:14:58,100 --> 00:14:59,170
Which you did.
352
00:14:59,230 --> 00:15:00,870
Well, I had a little
luck, you know.
353
00:15:00,940 --> 00:15:03,920
Eyewitness was a prostitute.
Said she heard shots,
354
00:15:03,970 --> 00:15:08,110
saw the co-defendants,
Campbell and a guy
named Larry Martin,
355
00:15:08,180 --> 00:15:10,180
running from the car
where the victim was,
356
00:15:10,250 --> 00:15:12,820
and then we found
the murder weapon
in a dumpster.
357
00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,120
With Campbell's
prints on it.
358
00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:16,160
Detective,
those visitor logs
you asked for.
359
00:15:16,220 --> 00:15:17,460
Thank you.
360
00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,130
Those Campbell's
or Edward's?
361
00:15:19,190 --> 00:15:21,390
Both. He's nothing
if not thorough.
362
00:15:21,460 --> 00:15:23,990
Hey, check this out,
Campbell and Edwards
both had the same visitor
363
00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:25,730
a week before
Foley's murder.
364
00:15:25,790 --> 00:15:27,570
Then again
two days later.
365
00:15:27,630 --> 00:15:29,470
Who?
Luke Campbell.
366
00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:34,100
I'm supposed to notify
corporate before I talk
to law enforcement.
367
00:15:34,170 --> 00:15:36,310
This isn't about work,
Mr. Campbell.
368
00:15:36,670 --> 00:15:38,710
What's it about then?
Your brother?
369
00:15:39,270 --> 00:15:41,050
I got nothing
to say about him.
370
00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:43,250
What about, uh,
Glenn Edwards?
371
00:15:43,310 --> 00:15:44,990
ED: He's an inmate
at Sing Sing.
372
00:15:45,050 --> 00:15:48,490
The visiting log there says
you met him October 10th,
373
00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:50,290
and then again
on October 12th.
374
00:15:50,350 --> 00:15:52,300
Same days as you
saw your brother.
375
00:15:53,190 --> 00:15:55,430
ED: What's going on,
Mr. Campbell?
376
00:15:55,490 --> 00:15:58,490
This guy Edwards
said he knew something
about Bobby's case.
377
00:15:58,560 --> 00:15:59,800
ED: Bobby knew
about the meetings?
378
00:15:59,860 --> 00:16:01,500
No. I went to see
this guy on my own.
379
00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:02,700
BRISCOE:
So what'd he tell you?
380
00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,870
Nothing. It was a scam.
He said he knew something,
but he wanted money first.
381
00:16:06,970 --> 00:16:09,010
He didn't tell you
that your brother
was innocent?
382
00:16:09,070 --> 00:16:10,950
That he knew who
the real killer was?
383
00:16:11,010 --> 00:16:12,350
No. He didn't.
384
00:16:12,410 --> 00:16:14,790
He didn't mention a guy
named Jimmy Foley?
385
00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:15,840
No.
386
00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:19,120
So where you were
last Tuesday night,
Mr. Campbell?
387
00:16:19,750 --> 00:16:22,060
I was working
the night shift
at my other job.
388
00:16:26,190 --> 00:16:29,260
Tuesday, the 18th,
Mr. Campbell was working
a building in Midtown.
389
00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,800
8:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m.
390
00:16:30,860 --> 00:16:32,200
ED: What kind of
job is that?
391
00:16:32,260 --> 00:16:35,640
Sit at a desk, bring a book,
try not to fall asleep
kinda job.
392
00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:37,200
Is he alone
all that time?
393
00:16:37,270 --> 00:16:38,640
Well,
there's a supervisor.
394
00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:39,970
What about a break?
395
00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,780
Half hour for dinner.
Supervisor's gotta come
by and relieve him.
396
00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,650
BRISCOE:
So, the boss isn't
on the premises?
397
00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:46,980
He roves,
he checks each building
once an hour.
398
00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,040
We want to talk to him.
399
00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,080
I can page him for you.
400
00:16:50,780 --> 00:16:53,090
Uh, excuse me,
are your guards bonded?
401
00:16:53,150 --> 00:16:54,960
We do extensive
background checks.
402
00:16:55,020 --> 00:16:57,120
Criminal history,
references, the works.
403
00:16:57,190 --> 00:16:58,660
ED: Fingerprints?
404
00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,030
Absolutely.
405
00:17:01,290 --> 00:17:02,460
What else you got
in the bag?
406
00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,470
How's it going,
Mr. Campbell?
407
00:17:04,530 --> 00:17:06,700
I'll be with you
fellas in a minute.
You got a receipt?
408
00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,300
No, I think you're gonna
come with us now.
409
00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:09,640
Come with you where?
410
00:17:09,700 --> 00:17:11,370
Look, I told you guys
everything I know.
411
00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:13,850
Well, we think
there's a few details
you left out.
412
00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:15,210
How does it feel?
413
00:17:16,270 --> 00:17:19,080
Put this T-shirt back
and consider yourself lucky.
414
00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,090
LUKE: I told you before,
I've never met anyone
named Foley.
415
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:30,150
Then maybe you can
explain why your prints
were in his apartment?
416
00:17:30,220 --> 00:17:32,790
Prints don't lie,
Mr. Campbell.
You were there.
417
00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,500
Look, you seem
like a decent,
hardworking guy.
418
00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,300
You got no
criminal record.
419
00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:40,430
Why don't you
just tell us
what happened.
420
00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:42,500
Help yourself out, man.
421
00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,100
You say that fingerprints
don't lie,
422
00:17:44,170 --> 00:17:46,440
but that is not true,
not all the time.
423
00:17:47,140 --> 00:17:48,210
Are you talking
about your brother?
424
00:17:48,270 --> 00:17:50,940
They said his fingerprints
were on that gun,
but they weren't.
425
00:17:51,010 --> 00:17:52,280
And you know this how?
426
00:17:52,340 --> 00:17:54,380
'Cause Bobby was innocent.
427
00:17:55,380 --> 00:17:57,360
An eyewitness
identified him.
428
00:17:57,650 --> 00:17:58,850
And his co-defendant.
429
00:17:58,910 --> 00:18:00,050
That witness was lying.
430
00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,100
Oh, so now
everybody's lied right?
431
00:18:03,850 --> 00:18:06,090
Look, I know
how it sounds.
432
00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,700
But I didn't know
what else to do.
433
00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,530
So you went there
to even the score.
434
00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:12,400
No. It wasn't like that.
435
00:18:12,460 --> 00:18:14,340
Then what was it like?
436
00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:16,870
(SIGHS)
437
00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:19,210
Bobby said to let
the lawyers handle it,
438
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:21,270
but they've been
handling it
almost 12 years,
439
00:18:21,340 --> 00:18:23,040
and nothing's happened.
440
00:18:25,740 --> 00:18:29,120
When Foley came to the door,
he knew right away who I was.
441
00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:30,250
HOW?
442
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:31,920
I don't know,
he just did.
443
00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:33,760
I bet he was
real glad to see you.
444
00:18:33,820 --> 00:18:35,850
I told him what he was
doing was wrong.
445
00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,690
That my brother
shouldn't be serving time
for a crime he didn't commit.
446
00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:39,890
And what?
447
00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,490
Did you think he was
just gonna confess?
448
00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,540
I don't know what I thought,
but when I told him,
449
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:48,540
he just laughed,
tried to close
the door on me.
450
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,100
BRISCOE: And you wouldn't
take "no" for an answer.
451
00:18:51,170 --> 00:18:54,050
I got past him,
then I just started
452
00:18:54,740 --> 00:18:57,620
looking around for,
I don't know,
453
00:18:57,670 --> 00:18:59,880
proof or something.
454
00:18:59,940 --> 00:19:02,180
That's when
he grabbed me,
around my neck.
455
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:05,460
I told him to let go
but he wouldn't.
456
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:07,190
And so I just
pushed back and
457
00:19:09,020 --> 00:19:11,830
we fell,
he must have
hit his head.
458
00:19:12,590 --> 00:19:15,760
You got that right.
Half his brains
were on the floor.
459
00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:24,110
I go up to see Bobby
twice a month
460
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,570
ever since I was
old enough to drive.
461
00:19:27,970 --> 00:19:29,450
For the last six months
462
00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:34,480
I've seen him giving up,
giving up hope.
463
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,150
You don't know
what it's like seeing
your older brother
464
00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:41,090
give up on his life.
465
00:19:43,290 --> 00:19:46,730
He's been rotting away
in that prison
for 12 years,
466
00:19:46,790 --> 00:19:48,460
for a crime
he didn't commit.
467
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,330
And this was my one chance
to prove his innocence.
468
00:19:52,790 --> 00:19:54,710
And now the guy's dead.
469
00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:57,340
(SNIFFLING)
470
00:20:01,140 --> 00:20:02,270
Self-defense.
471
00:20:02,340 --> 00:20:04,150
His lawyer served notice
at arraignments.
472
00:20:04,210 --> 00:20:07,280
Awfully difficult claim
to make out
in another man's apartment.
473
00:20:07,340 --> 00:20:09,250
There was also a PS,
no plea.
474
00:20:10,410 --> 00:20:11,950
Was this lawyer
just over confident
475
00:20:12,010 --> 00:20:13,890
or does he know
something we don't?
476
00:20:13,950 --> 00:20:16,860
Lieutenant Van Buren
was the lead detective
in the original case.
477
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,730
Back when I was
in Narcotics.
478
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,490
Is there anyway
they can make it seem
479
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,000
like there's any truth
to what he's saying?
480
00:20:22,060 --> 00:20:23,700
That his brother's innocent?
481
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:24,930
I don't see how.
482
00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:27,370
There was also a witness.
Brenda Warren.
483
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:28,700
JACK:
How reliable was she?
484
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,770
Reliable enough
to convince a jury.
485
00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:33,510
Bobby Campbell's prints
were also found on
the murder weapon
486
00:20:33,570 --> 00:20:36,950
and his co-defendant's
blood type matched
the blood at the scene.
487
00:20:37,010 --> 00:20:38,580
Doesn't matter.
488
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,990
Defense counsel's
still gonna try your case
all over again anyway.
489
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,550
Can they do that?
490
00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:45,020
Propensity
for violence.
491
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,790
If Luke Campbell can suggest
Foley was the killer
in his brother's case,
492
00:20:48,850 --> 00:20:51,660
he might get a jury
to believe Foley was
the aggressor in this one.
493
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,100
How many bites
do these guys get?
494
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,640
JACK:
We need to re-interview
your witness.
495
00:20:58,290 --> 00:21:00,770
Brenda Warren had
a drug problem.
496
00:21:00,830 --> 00:21:02,810
Was there any connection
between her and Campbell?
497
00:21:02,860 --> 00:21:04,170
Any motive
for her to lie?
498
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:06,970
I never found one.
Neither did
Campbell's lawyer.
499
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,540
We had the guy's
fingerprints.
500
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,180
Well, it's been 10 years,
maybe they won't be able
to find her.
501
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,520
But if they do,
I don't want to take
any chances,
502
00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:18,490
the defense finds
some way to shake her
original trial testimony.
503
00:21:18,550 --> 00:21:21,030
We'll make sure
all our I's are dotted
and our T's are crossed.
504
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,820
They were 12 years ago.
505
00:21:26,350 --> 00:21:29,730
I don't understand,
I testified at the trial.
They were both convicted.
506
00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:31,200
SERENA:
And we're very grateful
to you for that.
507
00:21:31,260 --> 00:21:32,530
It's just, some things
have come up
508
00:21:32,590 --> 00:21:35,040
that might make
some people ask you
about what happened again.
509
00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:37,470
What are
you talking about?
What things?
510
00:21:37,530 --> 00:21:39,670
Honey, could you just
give us a minute.
511
00:21:40,370 --> 00:21:41,370
Sure.
512
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:45,910
What things?
513
00:21:45,970 --> 00:21:48,110
Another man
has been killed.
514
00:21:48,940 --> 00:21:50,010
I don't understand.
515
00:21:50,380 --> 00:21:51,650
Well, the person
who's been arrested
516
00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:54,220
was the brother of
one of the men
you testified against.
517
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,280
He's after me?
518
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:57,390
No, no.
It's nothing like that.
519
00:21:57,450 --> 00:21:59,090
Then what?
SERENA:
Well, this man claims
520
00:21:59,150 --> 00:22:00,160
his brother was innocent.
521
00:22:00,220 --> 00:22:01,430
That the man he killed
a few days ago
522
00:22:01,490 --> 00:22:04,030
was the real murderer
in the case
you testified in.
523
00:22:04,590 --> 00:22:06,940
How...
How could this happen?
524
00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,540
Some lawyers
may come by here
and try to speak with you.
525
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,810
No. No more lawyers.
I'm not talking
to any more lawyers.
526
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:15,970
All you have to do,
Miss Warren, is confirm
what you said at trial.
527
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,480
No. I am not going
through this again.
528
00:22:18,540 --> 00:22:20,780
Listen, I pulled
my life together
after this trial.
529
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,450
I got straight.
I got my GED.
530
00:22:22,510 --> 00:22:24,890
You can't just walk
in here and start
accusing me of lying.
531
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:27,050
We're not accusing you
of anything, Miss Warren.
532
00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:30,090
I think you should
both just leave.
533
00:22:30,150 --> 00:22:32,100
SERENA:
They can subpoena you.
534
00:22:32,150 --> 00:22:33,790
I want you to go.
535
00:22:34,260 --> 00:22:35,500
We can
subpoena you too.
536
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,300
Well, then I'll just say
I don't remember.
537
00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:39,400
Miss Warren, please.
538
00:22:39,460 --> 00:22:41,340
No. I said
get out of my house!
539
00:22:45,470 --> 00:22:47,500
Hope she was
a little more cooperative
than that at the trial.
540
00:22:47,570 --> 00:22:49,910
Well, she testified
over 12 years ago
541
00:22:49,970 --> 00:22:51,580
and now we show up
at her door
and ask her to go
542
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,280
through it
all over again.
543
00:22:53,340 --> 00:22:54,550
It doesn't surprise me.
544
00:22:54,610 --> 00:22:55,880
Oh, come on,
you're not gonna
really tell me
545
00:22:55,940 --> 00:22:57,290
something else
wasn't going on
back there
546
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:58,650
other than
a little reluctance?
547
00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:01,660
I don't know
what was going on, Serena,
and neither do you.
548
00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:04,190
Well, what about
the reward money?
549
00:23:04,250 --> 00:23:05,530
She was a crack addict,
right?
550
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:08,160
She didn't know
about the reward
before she came forward.
551
00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:09,600
Look, she was a junkie.
552
00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:12,430
Maybe her new husband
doesn't know anything
about that.
553
00:23:12,490 --> 00:23:14,060
Who knows what
she's afraid of now.
554
00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:16,910
Well, whatever it is,
we better find it
before defense counsel does.
555
00:23:16,970 --> 00:23:18,910
Well, even if she does
change her story,
556
00:23:18,970 --> 00:23:21,740
we still have
Campbell's prints
on the murder weapon.
557
00:23:25,910 --> 00:23:29,510
You're joking, right?
You're talking about a case
that's over 12 years old.
558
00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:31,390
Well, you keep your records
somewhere, don't you?
559
00:23:31,450 --> 00:23:34,120
Why do you need them?
Campbell's kid brother
is makin' noise
560
00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:36,250
about him being innocent.
561
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,560
Apple doesn't fall far,
does it?
562
00:23:38,620 --> 00:23:39,930
SERENA: Look, I know
it's a little inconvenient
563
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:42,160
but we have a situation now
that we need to deal with.
564
00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:43,460
What kind of situation?
565
00:23:43,530 --> 00:23:46,730
The eyewitness,
we tracked her down
just to cover all the bases.
566
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,270
She acted
a little skittish.
567
00:23:48,330 --> 00:23:49,400
We're not sure
we're gonna be able
568
00:23:49,460 --> 00:23:51,000
to count on her
this time around.
569
00:23:51,270 --> 00:23:53,540
Oh, well, you may
have more of a situation
than you thought.
570
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,910
VAN BUREN: What do you mean?
Well, we archive
all the physical reports
571
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:57,640
once the guy's
last appeal's denied.
572
00:23:57,910 --> 00:24:00,150
Tell me who to contact
and I'll have the file
requisitioned.
573
00:24:00,210 --> 00:24:03,090
Remember that
water main that burst
about five years ago?
574
00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:04,590
Don't tell us.
575
00:24:04,650 --> 00:24:05,650
Yeah.
576
00:24:05,710 --> 00:24:07,890
Flooded our record room
downtown.
577
00:24:07,950 --> 00:24:10,730
Campbell's prints
are probably in
the Gulf Stream by now.
578
00:24:12,090 --> 00:24:14,730
Whoever said
that justice delayed
was justice denied,
579
00:24:14,790 --> 00:24:16,630
obviously never worked
in the system.
580
00:24:16,690 --> 00:24:19,500
This witness recants,
it's a whole new ball game
for both the Campbells.
581
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,630
Well, with any luck,
it won't come down
to this witness.
582
00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:23,840
The fingerprint lift
is definitely gone,
583
00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:27,350
but the CSU techs take
photos of the dusted prints
before they lift them.
584
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,180
The police department
still has those.
585
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,810
They're in
an evidence locker
in Brooklyn.
586
00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:33,080
JACK: We're sure
they're still there?
587
00:24:33,140 --> 00:24:35,310
I sent Briscoe and Green
over there this afternoon
588
00:24:35,380 --> 00:24:37,480
to walk them
to the lab themselves.
589
00:24:37,550 --> 00:24:40,190
Well, call them back
and tell them
to pick them up.
590
00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:42,230
I'm not having
the same lab
do the test,
591
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,820
that lost the results
in the first place.
592
00:24:44,590 --> 00:24:46,930
I know this
fingerprint examiner.
593
00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:49,300
She's been
with the department
19 years.
594
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,270
I'm not questioning
her professionalism,
Lieutenant.
595
00:24:52,330 --> 00:24:55,600
I'd just rather
not give defense counsel
any ammunition to argue
596
00:24:55,660 --> 00:24:59,080
that the lab that couldn't
even keep their evidence dry
shouldn't be trusted.
597
00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:01,810
Who do you want
to do the analysis?
598
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,620
Send the photos over
to the FBI.
599
00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:08,310
In the meantime,
let's see if we can't get
a DNA comparison
600
00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:11,520
on the blood that was linked
to Campbell's co-defendant.
601
00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:12,890
Yeah. Anita,
your detectives
602
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:14,480
dropped them off
a few hours ago.
603
00:25:14,550 --> 00:25:16,550
I was just about
to take a look at 'em.
604
00:25:16,620 --> 00:25:18,660
You know,
it's gonna be fun
working with you again.
605
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,530
Well, there's been
a little change
in plans, Lisa.
606
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:23,260
What happened?
The kid took a plea?
607
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,700
Actually, the D.A.'s
gonna have the FBI lab
do the fingerprint analysis.
608
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:32,730
The FBI?
Why, for God sake?
609
00:25:33,070 --> 00:25:35,240
Well, there's just
a feeling that the loss
610
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:37,310
of the original file
could be used
611
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:39,370
by some lawyer
as a smokescreen.
612
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,280
Oh, so now
a broken water main
is my fault.
613
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:44,850
It's no one's fault.
They just don't want
to create a problem
614
00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:46,190
if they don't have to.
615
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,360
Well, it's ridiculous.
616
00:25:48,820 --> 00:25:49,960
I'm the lab supervisor.
617
00:25:50,020 --> 00:25:51,330
You know, no one's
gonna embarrass me,
618
00:25:51,390 --> 00:25:52,990
especially some
defense lawyer.
619
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:54,690
That's exactly
what I told them.
620
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,100
I mean,
how many hours
did you and I
621
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,140
put into this case
in the first place?
622
00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:59,540
Too many to count.
623
00:25:59,590 --> 00:26:02,230
Look, this conviction
helped me get off
the lieutenant's list
624
00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:03,780
after I took the exam.
625
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:05,900
I am not gonna
let this guy
slip away now.
626
00:26:06,430 --> 00:26:08,880
Well, it's not right, Anita,
and you know it.
627
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:11,050
Take 'em.
628
00:26:20,780 --> 00:26:22,090
What are we looking at?
629
00:26:22,150 --> 00:26:24,490
They're called
ridge characteristics,
630
00:26:24,550 --> 00:26:27,090
areas where the ridges
at the end of the fingertips
631
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,140
abruptly end or split.
632
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:31,260
If two prints share
enough of these,
they match.
633
00:26:31,630 --> 00:26:32,800
I always thought
you just laid prints
634
00:26:32,860 --> 00:26:34,740
on top of one another
like tracing paper.
635
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,780
It's common
misperception.
636
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:39,740
Latent prints are often
smudged, or overlap.
637
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,300
Plus, the pressure
you press down with
638
00:26:41,370 --> 00:26:42,940
changes how
a print looks.
639
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,980
We're actually comparing
very different things
640
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,210
and trying to say
they're similar enough.
641
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:49,180
How similar
do they have to be?
642
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,890
Well, different labs have
different minimum numbers
of matching detail.
643
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:54,190
There's no
universal standard?
644
00:26:54,550 --> 00:26:57,090
Some require
10 for a match,
others 15.
645
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:58,600
New York City has
no minimum number.
646
00:26:58,650 --> 00:27:01,930
Each individual examiner
has his own standard.
647
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:04,060
So what about
our print?
648
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:05,930
Well, according to
the trial transcript,
649
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:07,740
your original
examiner testified
650
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,000
that she observed
six matching points,
651
00:27:10,060 --> 00:27:11,600
which is her
minimum number.
652
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:13,310
Isn't that enough?
653
00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:16,650
First of all,
six is an extremely
low number.
654
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:20,480
But more importantly,
I couldn't even figure
out how she'd found six.
655
00:27:20,540 --> 00:27:22,350
I mean,
they just aren't there.
656
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,420
And all this means what?
It's not Campbell's print?
657
00:27:24,610 --> 00:27:26,850
I can't really say
whose it is.
658
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,920
What I can say,
is that your examiner
659
00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:31,400
never should have testified
that this print was a match
660
00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:33,160
with Campbell's
to begin with.
661
00:27:36,620 --> 00:27:38,070
It's that subjective?
662
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:42,270
JACK: It's bound to be.
They're trying to
judge similarities.
663
00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:43,370
What about
the eyewitness?
664
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:45,240
Lieutenant Van Buren and I
re-interviewed her.
665
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:47,280
She was extremely
uncooperative.
666
00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:48,810
So then there is
a reasonable chance
667
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:51,250
that Campbell has been
wrongfully convicted.
668
00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:54,010
We should know more
once the DNA
on the blood comes back.
669
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,710
Either way it means
his brother's
670
00:27:55,780 --> 00:27:58,850
going to be able to
raise questions about Foley
in his case as well.
671
00:27:58,910 --> 00:28:01,690
You know, Russo's been
in that lab for 19 years.
672
00:28:01,950 --> 00:28:04,090
What if she's had her finger
on the scale all along?
673
00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:07,330
No telling how many cases
get reversed if that's true.
674
00:28:07,390 --> 00:28:10,560
But I'd rather
not open the floodgates
based on speculation.
675
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,000
Randomly test 20
of her cases.
676
00:28:14,060 --> 00:28:16,740
Let's find out
if we got a cop
in a lab coat.
677
00:28:17,670 --> 00:28:20,770
I found seven false positives
out of the 20 that I tested.
678
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,470
It's almost a third.
Statistically,
it's impossible
679
00:28:24,540 --> 00:28:27,250
that she just kept making
that many mistakes.
680
00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:29,020
And it gets worse.
How?
681
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,750
The original
forensics team
recovered
682
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:34,380
over a dozen partial prints
from inside the car
683
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,090
where the victim
had been shot.
684
00:28:36,150 --> 00:28:39,260
Now, fortunately,
those prints were kept
in a file at another location.
685
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,200
At the time,
this examiner declared them
all unidentifiable.
686
00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:44,630
That wasn't true.
687
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:47,300
FBI agent found
a print in the vehicle
688
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,070
with an eight point
comparison.
689
00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:52,370
AFIS spit out a possible,
belongs to a guy
named Ray Gifford.
690
00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:53,500
Who's he?
691
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:56,110
He and Foley
were arrested together
over a half dozen times.
692
00:28:56,170 --> 00:28:57,410
Where's Gifford now?
693
00:28:57,470 --> 00:29:01,350
In a state prison in Florida
doing life without parole
on a drug sale.
694
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,050
An eight point comparison.
695
00:29:04,810 --> 00:29:06,550
So you never looked
into Gifford?
696
00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:10,160
I never even heard
of him or Foley
until a few weeks ago.
697
00:29:10,220 --> 00:29:13,860
I had an eyewitness
who had already ID'd
Campbell and Martin,
698
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,760
and then the print
came back.
699
00:29:15,820 --> 00:29:18,000
SERENA:
The only theory of the case
had two assailants.
700
00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:20,370
Foley's prints
are as good a match
to the print on the gun
701
00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:21,910
as Campbell's,
and he admitted
the killing
702
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,770
to our friend Edwards
up in Sing Sing.
703
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:26,240
And Brenda Warren
ran drugs for Gifford.
704
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,070
So if Gifford and Foley
committed the murder,
705
00:29:30,140 --> 00:29:31,910
it means Campbell
and Martin were innocent.
706
00:29:34,510 --> 00:29:36,180
I don't understand.
707
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:39,850
Does this Russo
just make stuff up
out of whole cloth?
708
00:29:39,910 --> 00:29:43,860
Jack, I have known
Lisa Russo a long time.
709
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,060
She has always been
good people
710
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,860
and the best in the lab.
711
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,300
The FBI found seven other
false positives
that weren't even close.
712
00:29:52,690 --> 00:29:55,940
JACK:
Get the paperwork started
to get Campbell released.
713
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,310
SERENA:
What do you want to do
about Brenda Warren?
714
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:01,770
Pick her up
for perjury.
715
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,860
Bobby Campbell
was just released.
716
00:30:10,910 --> 00:30:13,260
And I made arrangements
for Luke Campbell
to be there when he was.
717
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:15,790
We dismissed
Luke Campbell's case,
right?
718
00:30:15,850 --> 00:30:18,850
His older brother
just spent more than
12 years in jail
719
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,370
for a crime
he didn't commit.
720
00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:21,800
There isn't a jury
in the world
721
00:30:21,860 --> 00:30:23,530
that would reject
self-defense
and convict him.
722
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:25,540
I'm not sure I'd want
to ask them to anyway.
723
00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:29,240
What are our chances
if we go after Russo
for manslaughter?
724
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,740
We'd have to show
she knowingly lied
725
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,940
and that her lie led
to Martin's death.
726
00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:37,670
But, for all we know,
she was using her judgment.
727
00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:41,290
The system can't be based
just on judgment calls.
728
00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:43,380
There has to be
a set of standards.
729
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,650
Standards might not
take into account
730
00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:48,420
the complexity of
fingerprint analysis.
731
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,590
Everything in the system
relies on
people's judgment, Nora.
732
00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:53,630
But when people
cross the line,
733
00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:55,170
they need to be
held accountable.
734
00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:57,900
We have no proof
that Russo
knowingly lied.
735
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,340
Every one of her
so called mistakes
736
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,200
was made in favor
of the prosecution.
737
00:31:02,260 --> 00:31:06,730
To me, that means,
she was neither mistaken
nor is she incompetent.
738
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,080
We'd also have to prove
that Martin's death was
a foreseeable consequence.
739
00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:13,650
In Sing Sing?
Yeah.
740
00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:17,610
Prison officials
won't like us
airing their laundry.
741
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:20,990
Then they should
clean up their act.
742
00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:25,660
What now?
743
00:31:27,050 --> 00:31:29,130
I need you to come down
to the precinct.
744
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:30,460
I've got a lab to run.
745
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,760
Get somebody to cover.
746
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:33,810
I'm giving you
a heads up here, Lisa.
747
00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:35,570
You know what, Anita,
748
00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:37,910
I'm done being polite
because we're friends.
749
00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:40,140
I even watched
while you people let
a convicted murderer
750
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,680
walk out the door.
751
00:31:41,740 --> 00:31:43,480
I'm not gonna be
quiet anymore.
752
00:31:43,540 --> 00:31:46,110
Well, if you
do start talking,
I have to warn you
753
00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:47,880
you have the right
to remain silent.
754
00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:49,350
What the hell is this?
Lisa Russo,
you're under arrest
755
00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:52,220
for manslaughter
in the death of
Larry Martin.
756
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,460
You have the right
to an attorney.
757
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,290
If you cannot afford one,
one will be provided for you.
758
00:31:58,390 --> 00:32:00,390
You understand
these rights...
759
00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:05,360
She's a civil servant
what are you
arraigning her on?
760
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:06,500
JACK: Man two.
761
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,770
SERENA:
And there's no offer.
762
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:11,040
Oh, come on.
You don't have a chance
at trial and you know it.
763
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,210
She'll take an unpaid leave
for six months,
764
00:32:13,270 --> 00:32:14,940
go through
rigorous retraining.
765
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,540
This isn't a negotiation.
766
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,880
You're right.
767
00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:21,080
Without proof that she acted
with any criminal intent,
it's a witch-hunt.
768
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:23,490
Your client got up
in a court of law
and lied,
769
00:32:23,540 --> 00:32:27,050
knowing these juries
would rely
on her testimony.
770
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:28,750
Innocent men
were sent to prison.
771
00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:30,560
One of them's dead
because of it.
772
00:32:30,620 --> 00:32:32,660
Any way you cut it,
it's manslaughter.
773
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,200
(SIGHS DEEPLY)
774
00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:36,000
I can't believe this.
775
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,940
You would send me to jail
for doing my job?
776
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:41,130
Not a word, Lisa.
Not another word.
777
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,570
We're done.
778
00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:55,110
Larry and I were
doing construction
back in '90.
779
00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:58,520
JACK: What, if anything,
happened on June 8th
of that year?
780
00:32:59,180 --> 00:33:02,350
Two detectives came
and arrested us
for murder.
781
00:33:02,420 --> 00:33:04,490
They said
they had a witness
that saw me and Larry
782
00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:06,330
kill some guy
near the job site.
783
00:33:06,390 --> 00:33:08,060
What did you think
at the time?
784
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,160
Well, at first
I wasn't scared.
785
00:33:11,230 --> 00:33:12,730
I mean, I was innocent.
786
00:33:13,660 --> 00:33:15,270
I didn't know
who this guy was,
787
00:33:15,330 --> 00:33:16,970
or how he got killed,
or anything like that.
788
00:33:17,030 --> 00:33:20,380
Then this
one female detective
came to see me in jail.
789
00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:23,110
Said they'd matched
my fingerprints
with the gun.
790
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:26,880
After that it was
like a nightmare.
791
00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:29,020
What happened?
792
00:33:29,740 --> 00:33:31,620
The jury convicted me.
793
00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:34,120
Judge gave me 25-to-life.
794
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,690
How did that
affect you?
795
00:33:39,550 --> 00:33:42,090
My wife and I tried
to hold it together,
796
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,160
but finally got divorced.
797
00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:47,430
She thought
it would be better
for our baby
798
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:51,070
if he didn't have
to deal with a father
that was in prison.
799
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:54,370
She was right, but,
800
00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:58,380
my kid had to
grow up without me.
801
00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:01,850
And Larry Martin?
802
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,520
Three years ago,
Larry got shanked
by another inmate.
803
00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:07,490
He died
in the infirmary.
804
00:34:09,620 --> 00:34:12,100
Larry just wasn't
cut out for prison life.
805
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:16,290
Nothing further.
806
00:34:22,660 --> 00:34:24,340
You testified
at your trial
807
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,840
that you were home
with your wife on
the day of the shooting?
808
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:28,280
Yes.
809
00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:30,010
But a witness
identified you
and Mr. Martin
810
00:34:30,070 --> 00:34:31,740
as the two men
who were running
from the victim's auto
811
00:34:31,810 --> 00:34:33,550
after the shots,
isn't that right?
812
00:34:33,610 --> 00:34:37,320
All I know is
I spent 12 years in prison
for a crime I didn't commit.
813
00:34:37,380 --> 00:34:38,520
So you say,
814
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,690
but the witness never
changed her story,
did she?
815
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:43,660
Even after she was
arrested for perjury.
816
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:44,860
Objection.
817
00:34:45,220 --> 00:34:46,600
JUDGE: Sustained.
818
00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:50,030
Nothing further.
819
00:34:53,790 --> 00:34:57,370
JACK: Mr. Foster, did you
examine a latent print
in this case,
820
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:59,670
and compare it
to the prints
of Bobby Campbell?
821
00:34:59,730 --> 00:35:01,650
Yes, I did.
What were your findings?
822
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:04,650
Well, the print
on the firearm
was of no value.
823
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:07,210
I could not determine
that it belonged
to Mr. Campbell.
824
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:10,590
Did you also examine
20 other sets
of latent prints
825
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:12,250
that had previously
been examined
826
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:14,160
and identified
by the defendant?
827
00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:16,290
Yes. And in seven
out of the 20,
828
00:35:16,350 --> 00:35:18,630
I found she'd made
false positives.
829
00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:20,690
What conclusions
did you draw from that?
830
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,500
The comparisons
that she was making
831
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,660
were so far below
any standard that,
in my opinion,
832
00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:28,940
her testimony
in those cases
was knowingly false.
833
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:41,120
How many points
does the FBI use
comparing prints?
834
00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:43,680
We don't rely on
any minimum number
at all.
835
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:47,280
We rely on the expertise
and the overall impression
of the examiner.
836
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,560
So, examiners are allowed
to make matches based on,
say, six points?
837
00:35:53,090 --> 00:35:55,530
Theoretically,
but other factors...
838
00:35:55,590 --> 00:35:59,000
In fact, fingerprint analysis
has never been
scientifically tested, has it?
839
00:35:59,060 --> 00:36:00,560
Objection.
840
00:36:00,630 --> 00:36:02,610
The technique's
not on trial here,
Your Honor,
841
00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:03,730
Miss Russo is.
842
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,470
Your Honor,
my client is being accused
of intentional inaccuracy.
843
00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:10,380
I think we should be
allowed to establish
that the technique itself
844
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,970
may be inaccurate
and therefore to blame.
845
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:14,120
I agree.
846
00:36:14,180 --> 00:36:16,210
But don't go too far
astray, Mr. Rowan.
847
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,850
The objection's overruled.
848
00:36:18,910 --> 00:36:21,120
The methodology is
based on the premise
849
00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:24,250
that no two sets
of fingerprints
are alike.
850
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,390
Yes, but no one
really knows
851
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:28,460
what the error rates are,
do they?
852
00:36:29,090 --> 00:36:30,760
No.
Which means you can't
sit here today
853
00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:32,570
and tell us that print
is not Campbell's?
854
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:33,760
Well, I don't
think it is...
855
00:36:33,830 --> 00:36:37,110
But you cannot
absolutely exclude him,
can you?
856
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:39,900
No, I can't.
857
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,350
I observed
six matching points
between the latent print
858
00:36:50,410 --> 00:36:52,520
and the prints that
were provided to me.
859
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,860
Agent Foster testified
that he couldn't find six.
860
00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:58,560
In my opinion he's being
overly conservative.
861
00:36:58,890 --> 00:37:01,370
So two examiners can
disagree in good faith.
862
00:37:01,420 --> 00:37:04,670
A good examiner uses
his or her best judgment.
863
00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:08,100
The lab standard is 12,
but that's a guideline only.
864
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,630
And in the Campbell case,
I used my judgment
865
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,300
and relied on
my expertise
and experience.
866
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:15,280
I've been doing that
for over 19 years.
867
00:37:15,340 --> 00:37:16,970
Have you ever
made a mistake?
868
00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:18,140
Well, I hope not.
869
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,880
That would be
a fingerprint examiner's
worst nightmare.
870
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,780
All I can say is
871
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,410
that I performed my job
the way I was
trained to do it,
872
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,260
and I did the very best
that I could do.
873
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,200
You said you thought
874
00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:42,140
that Agent Foster
was being
too conservative.
875
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,480
That's right.
876
00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:46,810
And you're comfortable
877
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:49,350
with a minimum number
of six matching points?
878
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,540
Yes.
879
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,050
Are there other examiners
in your lab who require more?
880
00:37:54,110 --> 00:37:56,420
Yes. It's a matter of
professional judgment.
881
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,580
But no one who
relies on less.
882
00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:00,720
I suppose not.
883
00:38:03,820 --> 00:38:05,090
Does the name
Simon Garrison
884
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:07,150
mean anything to you,
Miss Russo?
885
00:38:07,220 --> 00:38:08,700
Not off hand.
886
00:38:09,090 --> 00:38:10,800
How about the face?
887
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:14,060
No.
888
00:38:14,130 --> 00:38:15,940
1998.
889
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,070
Your testimony
was the key piece of
evidence against him.
890
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:20,370
If you say so.
891
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,710
Isn't it the case,
892
00:38:23,770 --> 00:38:27,240
that after
four other examiners
in your office
893
00:38:27,310 --> 00:38:29,020
had examined the prints
894
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,080
and refused to
declare a match,
895
00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:33,560
that you had the case
reassigned to yourself?
896
00:38:33,610 --> 00:38:35,960
In my opinion,
the prints were a match.
897
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,720
How about John Quilty?
898
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,330
Three other
examiners refused,
you declared a match.
899
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,600
I don't remember.
900
00:38:46,660 --> 00:38:47,660
Danny Meyer.
901
00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:50,940
Again, three
other examiners.
902
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,380
Your Honor...
I looked at the prints
in those cases.
903
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:56,310
They could be matched,
so I reassigned them
to myself.
904
00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:58,150
I don't see anything
wrong with that.
905
00:38:58,210 --> 00:38:59,620
JACK: You don't?
906
00:39:00,270 --> 00:39:01,720
Case after case,
907
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:03,950
you got on
a witness stand,
908
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:06,010
cloaked in the aura
of an expert,
909
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,360
and declared
a scientific certainty,
910
00:39:08,420 --> 00:39:10,950
when in fact,
numerous other examiners,
911
00:39:11,020 --> 00:39:12,860
had said that they
were not a match.
912
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,590
I have 19 years experience.
913
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:17,640
I use my best judgment.
914
00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:20,060
And your best judgment
915
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:22,700
sent Bobby Campbell
and Larry Martin to prison.
916
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,760
Two innocent men!
917
00:39:23,830 --> 00:39:25,610
A jury did that.
918
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:29,580
Relying on evidence
testified to by you.
919
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,950
There was also
an eye witness,
the same blood type.
920
00:39:33,010 --> 00:39:34,680
And you knew that,
when you looked
921
00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:36,190
at those fingerprints
didn't you?
922
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,090
Oh, they were guilty.
Everybody knew that.
923
00:39:39,150 --> 00:39:43,990
Not until you decided to
declare the prints a match.
924
00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:16,290
Madam Foreperson,
have the members of
the jury reached a verdict?
925
00:40:16,350 --> 00:40:18,130
Yes, we have,
Your Honor.
926
00:40:18,190 --> 00:40:20,290
In the matter of the people
of the state of New York
927
00:40:20,350 --> 00:40:22,990
against Lisa Russo,
how do you find?
928
00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:26,600
On the charge of Manslaughter
in the Second Degree,
929
00:40:26,660 --> 00:40:28,640
we the jury,
find the defendant
930
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:29,940
sunny,
931
00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:31,970
(PEOPLE MURMURING)
932
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:37,850
(BREATHES DEEPLY)
933
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,830
(KNOCKS ON DOOR)
934
00:40:58,060 --> 00:40:59,730
I finished those
fives you wanted.
935
00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:01,070
Oh, thanks.
936
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:03,870
(SIGHING)
937
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:07,270
I'm fine, Lennie.
938
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:09,610
I just wanted
to make sure.
939
00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:14,250
You know, you nudge
a witness in the right
direction at a line up,
940
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:17,510
the gun was
in plain view,
941
00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:20,190
not under the seat.
942
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,020
We do that
all the time.
943
00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:27,500
You wouldn't have
passed off those
prints to the D.A.
944
00:41:27,550 --> 00:41:29,900
unless she told you
there was a match.
945
00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:37,140
Closing that case
got me noticed, Lennie.
946
00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:44,110
And I used to hear
the whispers
947
00:41:44,170 --> 00:41:46,120
and the chatter
behind my back.
948
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:48,550
"She got it
'cause she's black."
949
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,460
"She got it
'cause she's a woman."
950
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,190
And I never listened
to that crap
951
00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:59,220
because I knew
I had earned it.
952
00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:05,370
You made lieutenant
because you're a great cop.
953
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,100
All the drug collars
you made,
954
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,940
all the killers
you put behind bars.
955
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,880
This one case
isn't gonna undo
all of that.
956
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:18,820
I'm not so sure, Lennie.
957
00:42:21,340 --> 00:42:22,340
(SIGHS)
958
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:25,620
I'm not so sure.
959
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:35,500
(DOOR BUZZING)
960
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:41,100
Thank you.
961
00:42:46,330 --> 00:42:49,280
If you came here
to apologize,
do us both a favor,
962
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:52,380
don't.
You know, I have been
963
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:56,110
racking my brain
trying to figure out
964
00:42:56,180 --> 00:42:59,160
if I gave you any signals
that I wanted you to do this.
965
00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:03,920
Oh, so you came by
to make yourself
feel better.
966
00:43:03,980 --> 00:43:06,020
To confirm your
moral superiority.
967
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,600
I want to know
why you did it.
968
00:43:17,230 --> 00:43:19,910
Those were people's lives
you were playing with.
969
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:22,680
You know, I don't recall
you crying so hard
970
00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:24,440
when you made
first grade
off this case.
971
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:27,540
I never knew you lied!
972
00:43:27,610 --> 00:43:29,520
Oh, please!
973
00:43:29,580 --> 00:43:31,990
You people come in,
you give me the evidence.
974
00:43:32,050 --> 00:43:34,460
You tell me,
"See what you can
come up with, Lisa."
975
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,360
And I gave you
exactly what you wanted.
976
00:43:37,420 --> 00:43:38,560
(PANTING)
977
00:43:38,620 --> 00:43:41,690
And you know what?
You are the worst
kind of hypocrite.
978
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:45,700
And are you really
gonna sit there
979
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,800
and tell me that
you don't blur
the boundaries?
980
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:51,000
Go home
981
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:53,640
and look in
the mirror, Anita.
982
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:55,080
And when you do,
983
00:43:55,140 --> 00:43:58,780
you ask yourself
is it right
that I'm in here
984
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,820
(SHOUTING)
and you're not?
985
00:44:04,980 --> 00:44:06,320
Guard!
77864
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