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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,130 --> 00:00:07,100 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups- 2 00:00:07,170 --> 00:00:09,050 the police, who investigate crime, 3 00:00:09,100 --> 00:00:11,480 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 4 00:00:11,540 --> 00:00:13,490 These are their stories. 5 00:00:25,090 --> 00:00:27,800 I thought you were buying the paper. 6 00:00:27,860 --> 00:00:30,360 Just checking the ponies. Yeah? 7 00:00:30,430 --> 00:00:34,770 How did Johnnie Walker make out in the fifth? Cut me some slack, Gretch. 8 00:00:34,830 --> 00:00:37,170 You know how much stress I'm under right now. 9 00:00:37,230 --> 00:00:40,240 It is 8:00 in the damn morning. I'll go to a meeting. 10 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:43,580 Right. [Sighs ]Jeffrey. 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,650 I really mean it this time, I swear. 12 00:00:48,710 --> 00:00:50,660 Oh, my God. 13 00:00:56,350 --> 00:00:58,300 [ Officer] White female, late 30s. 14 00:00:58,350 --> 00:01:01,660 People who live in the garden apartment found her first thing this morning. 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,100 Guy's half in the bag. The early bird catches the hangover. 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,300 Looks like she took a header from one of the hotel balconies. 17 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,710 Get the crime techs up there. Check out all the rooms with balconies facing this backyard 18 00:01:11,770 --> 00:01:13,800 Will do. Victim have any I.D. on her? 19 00:01:13,870 --> 00:01:16,440 No pockets. She was wearin' a skirt. All right. Thanks. 20 00:01:16,510 --> 00:01:21,510 - Brody, what you got for us, man? - Quick drive-by, blunt trauma smorgasbord. 21 00:01:21,580 --> 00:01:25,250 Broken pelvis, shattered lower extremities, lots of lacerations, 22 00:01:25,310 --> 00:01:27,760 rib cage like a bag full of broken china. 23 00:01:27,820 --> 00:01:29,850 Jumpin' off a balcony will do that. 24 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,230 If she jumped, she would have hit that lower roof. 25 00:01:32,290 --> 00:01:35,630 [Green] You saying she was pushed? I'll know more when I get her on the table. 26 00:01:35,690 --> 00:01:38,870 But judging from the trajectory, I'd say, yeah, she had help. 27 00:01:38,930 --> 00:01:40,870 Can you put a time on it? 28 00:01:40,930 --> 00:01:45,440 Based on body temperature and lividity, I'd ballpark it somewhere between 10:00 and 11:00 last night. 29 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:48,070 Detectives, this is Mr. Wrightsman, the manager of the hotel. 30 00:01:48,140 --> 00:01:51,550 How can I help you? What can you tell us about the upper floors, the ones with the balconies? 31 00:01:51,610 --> 00:01:55,780 Those are our executive suites. So much for the golden parachute. 32 00:02:45,230 --> 00:02:48,570 It's a nice view. I prefer a southern exposure. 33 00:02:48,630 --> 00:02:52,270 Hey, Reed. You got anything? Usable prints? I doubt it. 34 00:02:52,330 --> 00:02:55,110 But I did find this lying out here on the terrace. 35 00:02:55,170 --> 00:02:59,710 Contact lens. Cutting-edge R.G.P. Rigid Gas Permeable. 36 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:03,450 - Could've popped out during a struggle. - Don't get your hopes up. It's extremely durable. 37 00:03:03,510 --> 00:03:06,520 It could've been lying out here for days, weeks, months. 38 00:03:06,580 --> 00:03:09,080 I know it's hopeless, but get it to the lab anyway. 39 00:03:09,150 --> 00:03:12,890 What a novel idea. I was gonna auction it off on eBay. You want another idea? 40 00:03:12,950 --> 00:03:14,900 Detectives? 41 00:03:16,090 --> 00:03:20,340 Lisa Winslow checked in yesterday afternoon around 4:00. 42 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,570 Reception gave her one room key. She certainly didn't mess up the room. 43 00:03:23,630 --> 00:03:26,550 Concierge said she just used it to freshen up before her speech... 44 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,100 at the Hoop-la International Convention last night. 45 00:03:29,170 --> 00:03:33,180 - Hoop-la? - Licensees for various pro basketball products and spin-offs. 46 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,190 We have some of the top players here. Julius West, Jimmy Neal. 47 00:03:37,250 --> 00:03:40,420 - What'd she talk about? - I gather she was some kind of motivational speaker. 48 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,990 Fire up the reps to sell more sneakers. That sort of thing. 49 00:03:43,050 --> 00:03:45,400 Five-hundred-dollar-a-day dressing room? 50 00:03:45,450 --> 00:03:50,960 I guess she could afford it, unless this purse is some kind of Canal Street knockoff. 51 00:03:51,030 --> 00:03:55,030 Well, she's our high diver, all right. “Lisa Winslow." 52 00:03:55,100 --> 00:03:58,100 No wonder she could afford to use the place just to powder her nose. 53 00:03:58,170 --> 00:04:01,080 She's a local. Blackstone Avenue, the Bronx. 54 00:04:01,140 --> 00:04:04,020 It's Riverdale. Trust me, this purse is real. 55 00:04:04,070 --> 00:04:08,080 I'm sorry. Miss Winslow is not here. I don't know where. 56 00:04:08,140 --> 00:04:10,280 [Briscoe] Who are you, ma'am? I'm the nanny. 57 00:04:10,350 --> 00:04:12,850 Uh, if we could just come in? 58 00:04:18,620 --> 00:04:21,360 We need to talk to somebody about Miss Winslow. 59 00:04:21,420 --> 00:04:24,030 Do you know if there's any family we can call? 60 00:04:24,090 --> 00:04:28,910 Miss Lisa's sister is here. Why don't you go get her? Thanks. 61 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,970 You can wait in here. 62 00:04:32,430 --> 00:04:35,610 I hate it when they have kids. You kidding? It's the worst. 63 00:04:36,810 --> 00:04:41,310 - Can I help you? - Uh, this is Detective Green. I'm Detective Briscoe. 64 00:04:41,380 --> 00:04:43,650 Renee Bishop. ls there a problem? 65 00:04:43,710 --> 00:04:46,920 You're Lisa Winslow's sister? What is it? What's wrong? 66 00:04:46,980 --> 00:04:49,790 I'm afraid that we have some bad news. 67 00:04:49,850 --> 00:04:51,920 About Lisa? 68 00:04:51,990 --> 00:04:56,230 She was found dead early this morning at the Park Terrace Hotel. 69 00:04:56,290 --> 00:04:59,470 Oh, my God! She fell from a balcony 70 00:04:59,530 --> 00:05:02,530 Sophie. Sophie? 71 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,340 My niece, Lisa's daughter. What am I going to tell her? 72 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,740 Is her father around? 73 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,910 Lisa's a single parent. 74 00:05:09,970 --> 00:05:12,780 What's his name? Where can we get in touch with him? 75 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:16,250 There's no one to get in touch with. Sophie was adopted. 76 00:05:16,310 --> 00:05:20,320 Mommy? Oh, Mommy's not home yet. I'll be there in a minute. 77 00:05:20,380 --> 00:05:23,390 I can't find my princess doll. 78 00:05:24,990 --> 00:05:27,800 I'm going to be with you in one minute, all right? 79 00:05:27,860 --> 00:05:30,100 Lorena, will you help her look for her doll, please? 80 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,570 Of course. Come, mi hija. 81 00:05:32,630 --> 00:05:36,940 [Sighs, Sobbing] 82 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,610 When you're up to it, we're gonna need you to come down and identify her. 83 00:05:40,670 --> 00:05:43,480 Of course I will. We also need to know where your sister worked. 84 00:05:43,540 --> 00:05:47,210 She owned her own business. 85 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:50,690 I think I have her card in my purse. 86 00:05:50,750 --> 00:05:52,750 I'll get it. 87 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,290 Lisa was one of the top motivational speakers in the country. 88 00:05:59,350 --> 00:06:04,360 Her competitive background in athletics dovetailed nicely with contemporary corporate culture. 89 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:07,930 "1996 Olympic Swim Team." 90 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,670 “First place, Big Island Iron Woman Triathlon." 91 00:06:11,730 --> 00:06:14,110 She won three triathlons. 92 00:06:14,170 --> 00:06:17,910 Do you know how hard that is? What an accomplishment? 93 00:06:17,970 --> 00:06:21,720 My idea of a triathlon was junior high punt, pass and kick. 94 00:06:21,780 --> 00:06:23,720 So she did well. Oh, very well 95 00:06:23,780 --> 00:06:27,280 Business was booming. She was in great demand. [Briscoe] What about her personal life? 96 00:06:27,350 --> 00:06:29,560 Lisa was much too busy to have a personal life. 97 00:06:29,620 --> 00:06:32,390 No boyfriends, ex-boyfriends, husbands? 98 00:06:32,450 --> 00:06:34,330 She was gay. 99 00:06:34,390 --> 00:06:37,390 Oh, any girlfriends, ex-girlfriends? 100 00:06:37,460 --> 00:06:39,530 She never mentioned anyone to me. 101 00:06:39,590 --> 00:06:42,270 What can you tell us about this speaking engagement she had last night? 102 00:06:42,330 --> 00:06:45,330 She rocked the house. They absolutely ate it up. 103 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,610 Finished the Q&A a little after 9:00. 104 00:06:47,670 --> 00:06:51,080 What'd she do after that? There was a reception. 105 00:06:51,140 --> 00:06:54,420 When I left, she was heading to the bar with a couple of players. 106 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,460 - Schmoozing was Lisa's forte. - Which players was she schmoozing with? 107 00:06:57,510 --> 00:06:59,860 I'm sorry. I'm not in to basketball. 108 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,090 They were tall, African American. 109 00:07:04,250 --> 00:07:08,260 She was in here last night. Had a few Cosmos. Actually, more than a few. 110 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,740 Who was she drinking with? A couple of black guys, looked like basketball players. 111 00:07:11,790 --> 00:07:14,640 We got this Hoop-la-la Convention here all week. 112 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:17,640 So they had a couple of drinks-- A few laughs, then paid the tab and left. 113 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:20,810 - Together? - Yeah, I guess. Around 10:00. 114 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:24,980 How'd they pay the tab? One of the guys charged it to his room. 115 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,820 Yeah, we tossed back a couple with her. Honey said she was writing some sort of motivational book for athletes. 116 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,380 She wanted a few quotes, like what makes a winner, stuff like that. 117 00:07:33,450 --> 00:07:35,620 Uh, why? We'll ask the questions. 118 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,690 After the bar, what'd you do? I went upstairs, hit the sack. 119 00:07:38,750 --> 00:07:40,700 Alone? Yeah. 120 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,570 What about you? Me, I caught a ride downtown to this new hip-hop spot, TR Caesars. 121 00:07:45,630 --> 00:07:48,470 How long were you there? Uh, maybe till, like, 3:00 in the morning. 122 00:07:48,530 --> 00:07:51,270 Did you happen to get a taxi receipt? A taxi? 123 00:07:51,330 --> 00:07:54,010 Call the limo company and they'll straighten you out. All right. We will 124 00:07:54,070 --> 00:07:57,570 So, uh, am I off the hook? I mean, I gotta split. 125 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,680 Don't tell me I can't leave town. I got a big game in K.C. tonight. 126 00:08:00,740 --> 00:08:02,740 You can go for now. 127 00:08:02,810 --> 00:08:05,310 See you in Philly, bro. No doubt. 128 00:08:05,380 --> 00:08:08,550 So you're on your way to your room. Did you ride the elevator with Ms. Winslow? 129 00:08:08,620 --> 00:08:11,690 Yeah. She got off at her floor, I went on up to mine. 130 00:08:11,750 --> 00:08:15,200 So as far as we know, you were the last person to see her alive. 131 00:08:17,130 --> 00:08:21,130 This is messed up. I told you. I went to my room, man. My wheels are here. 132 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,140 That's gonna have to wait. 133 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,010 You were in the elevator with her. Y'all got this connection going. You end up in her room? 134 00:08:27,070 --> 00:08:29,640 No. I told you. I did not go to the lady's room. 135 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:34,050 Only she's not interested in what you have to offer, and you can't figure out why. 136 00:08:34,110 --> 00:08:37,280 This is so wrong. “No” is not a word you're used to hearing, is it, Shawn? 137 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:40,020 [Sighs] 138 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,390 Look, I hooked up with a shortie, okay? A shortie? 139 00:08:43,450 --> 00:08:47,800 A female. She was hangin' in the lobby, sweatin' me all night. 140 00:08:47,860 --> 00:08:50,800 Finally gave her my room number, told her to holler at me around 10:00. 141 00:08:50,860 --> 00:08:54,400 You got a name for this shortie? Alicia. I think. 142 00:08:54,460 --> 00:08:57,530 So, Alicia. You didn't happen to notice her last name, did you? No, I didn't. 143 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,010 It was just a one-hitter quitter. She was sportin' team color. 144 00:09:01,070 --> 00:09:03,020 Like a varsity jacket? Yeah. 145 00:09:03,070 --> 00:09:06,710 What school? Marlboro. Yeah, Marlboro. 146 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:09,550 My mom's, like, in the Dark Ages. 147 00:09:09,610 --> 00:09:12,460 If she finds out about this, she'll, like, totally freak. 148 00:09:12,510 --> 00:09:16,690 Why don't you tell us what happened, and we'll try to make sure that she don't totally freak. 149 00:09:16,750 --> 00:09:19,250 Shawn's Web site said he'd be in New York. 150 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,100 I thought it'd be cool to meet him. He's always been my favorite player. 151 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,260 He's so cute. 152 00:09:25,330 --> 00:09:28,900 So you went up to his room? He's famous. 153 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,380 I've never been with a famous person before. 154 00:09:31,430 --> 00:09:34,280 So how long were you two kickin' it? 155 00:09:34,340 --> 00:09:38,510 I hooked up with him about 10:00, went home about 2:00. 156 00:09:38,570 --> 00:09:40,920 He even paid for my cab fare home. 157 00:09:40,980 --> 00:09:43,250 Gee, a real gentleman, huh? 158 00:09:43,310 --> 00:09:45,660 All right. Thanks. 159 00:09:45,710 --> 00:09:47,690 I'm glad I don't have kids. 160 00:09:47,750 --> 00:09:50,750 It's a mixed bag. They're not all like Alicia. Some of them are worse. 161 00:09:50,820 --> 00:09:53,490 Ed. These came in while you were out. Thanks, man. 162 00:09:55,820 --> 00:09:59,100 M.E. says the D.N.A. on the contact wasn't Lisa Winslow. 163 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,330 Could be it belonged to the killer after all. 164 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:07,070 Also found circumferential bruises on her upper arms, contusion on her left hip. 165 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:10,050 That's consistent with being grabbed and pushed off that balcony. 166 00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:15,110 I have a problem. Join the club. Shawn Beatty's alibi just got corroborated. 167 00:10:15,180 --> 00:10:18,350 Lisa Winslow's parents are on their way here from New Hope. 168 00:10:18,410 --> 00:10:21,590 They want to know why they had to find out about their daughter's death... 169 00:10:21,650 --> 00:10:23,630 from a news item on the radio. 170 00:10:23,690 --> 00:10:26,390 We told the sister. She didn't tell the family? 171 00:10:26,450 --> 00:10:29,630 According to the parents, Lisa Winslow doesn't have a sister. What? 172 00:10:29,690 --> 00:10:31,640 Then who was the woman we met at Winslow's house? 173 00:10:31,690 --> 00:10:34,040 We sent a patrol car by to have a word with her. 174 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:37,100 Whoever she is, she's gone, and she took the girl with her. 175 00:10:37,170 --> 00:10:39,110 Damn. 176 00:10:41,170 --> 00:10:44,170 [Briscoe] So you have no idea who this woman might be? 177 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,880 I'm afraid you're asking the wrong people. 178 00:10:46,940 --> 00:10:49,790 Lisa kept us out of her private life. 179 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,480 Mr. and Mrs. Winslow, we need to find your granddaughter now. 180 00:10:52,550 --> 00:10:56,150 She's really not our granddaughter. We've never even met her. 181 00:10:56,220 --> 00:10:58,160 She is precious. 182 00:10:58,220 --> 00:11:01,390 We got a lot of people working on this. There's a statewide Amber Alert. 183 00:11:01,460 --> 00:11:03,400 If you know anything that can help, great. 184 00:11:03,460 --> 00:11:07,910 If not, we're wasting valuable time when we should be out looking for her. 185 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,010 Um... 186 00:11:12,070 --> 00:11:14,410 about eight years ago, 187 00:11:14,470 --> 00:11:17,470 Lisa told us she'd met a woman in Florida, 188 00:11:17,540 --> 00:11:20,490 and they were gonna adopt a child down there. 189 00:11:20,540 --> 00:11:22,720 Said they were gonna get married. 190 00:11:22,780 --> 00:11:25,720 You know, shack up together. 191 00:11:25,780 --> 00:11:29,820 Said they were in love. Broke her mother's heart. 192 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,920 After that we didn't talk very much. 193 00:11:32,990 --> 00:11:35,970 - Maybe a card at Christmas. - They were living in Florida? 194 00:11:36,020 --> 00:11:40,770 After they split up, Lisa moved to New York. That was two years ago. 195 00:11:40,830 --> 00:11:44,110 Do you know if she had any friends in New York we could talk to? 196 00:11:44,170 --> 00:11:46,110 Anybody she might have confided in? 197 00:11:46,170 --> 00:11:49,740 Who was that Susan girl at NYU, Paul? 198 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,250 Um, Susan Roberts, was it? 199 00:11:53,310 --> 00:11:56,310 I think they kept in touch over the years. 200 00:11:59,010 --> 00:12:02,020 Lisa wasn't the type to pour out her heart over cocktails. 201 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,060 Do you know if she was seeing somebody? 202 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,530 As far as I know, uh, a few dates here and there. No one special. 203 00:12:08,590 --> 00:12:10,660 What about past relationships? 204 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:14,070 She had an ex in Florida. Renee something. I never met her. 205 00:12:14,130 --> 00:12:17,970 [Briscoe] I think we have. They were living in Miami. That's where they adopted Sophie. 206 00:12:18,030 --> 00:12:20,310 Do you have any idea why they broke up? 207 00:12:20,370 --> 00:12:22,310 Lisa said they'd just grown apart. 208 00:12:22,370 --> 00:12:25,440 Been together something like seven years, didn't have anything in common anymore. 209 00:12:25,510 --> 00:12:29,180 Except for Sophie. Yeah, except Sophie. 210 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:34,250 What I understand, Renee was devastated by the split, and so was Sophie. 211 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,990 I told Lisa I thought she was wrong to separate them. Renee was Sophie's mother too. 212 00:12:38,050 --> 00:12:40,030 What did Lisa do? 213 00:12:40,090 --> 00:12:42,260 Moved to New York, got a lawyer. 214 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,740 Do you know how we can find this lawyer? Yeah, I used her for my divorce. 215 00:12:45,790 --> 00:12:48,430 Nancy Shapiro. 216 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:51,340 Madison and 53rd. 217 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,350 Where is Sophie, by the way? 218 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,540 Who's taking care of her? We're looking for her. 219 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,280 Renee has her? 220 00:12:59,340 --> 00:13:02,010 Renee Bishop, still in Miami, far as I know. 221 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,150 Here's her contact info. I'm gonna call the squad, get 'em on it. 222 00:13:05,210 --> 00:13:08,590 Why don't you tell me about the custody battle? There was none. 223 00:13:08,650 --> 00:13:11,890 Custody battles occur when both parties have legal custodial rights, 224 00:13:11,950 --> 00:13:14,090 which was not the case here. 225 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,900 It's our understanding that these two women raised the child together. 226 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,960 Heather Has Two Mommies. 227 00:13:20,030 --> 00:13:23,980 Florida law prohibits homosexuals from adopting. Lisa filed as a single woman. 228 00:13:24,030 --> 00:13:27,570 Which gave her legal custody. Sole legal custody. 229 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,810 So why hire you? 230 00:13:29,870 --> 00:13:33,550 To protect her interests. Lisa didn't want Renee Bishop in Sophie's life. 231 00:13:33,610 --> 00:13:35,550 Sophie was adjusting nicely, 232 00:13:35,610 --> 00:13:39,560 and any further contact would have prolonged the agony of the divorce. 233 00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:42,960 Renee Bishop took a whole lot of legal avenues to get some kind of visitation, 234 00:13:43,020 --> 00:13:45,520 but under Florida law, she didn't have a leg to stand on. 235 00:13:45,590 --> 00:13:48,760 Woman raises a kid for five years, then gets cut out of her life. 236 00:13:48,820 --> 00:13:50,770 Sounds like motive to me. 237 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:54,830 It makes me a little less worried about the girl. At least we know her other mother isn't gonna harm her. 238 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:57,900 I just got off the phone with Bishop's roommate in Miami. 239 00:13:57,970 --> 00:14:01,070 According to him, she left for New York City last week. 240 00:14:01,140 --> 00:14:03,480 Did he say where she was staying? No. 241 00:14:03,540 --> 00:14:05,920 What about her cell phone? Trace her through that? 242 00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:09,480 Doesn't have one, but I did get the LUDS from her home phone in Miami. 243 00:14:09,540 --> 00:14:14,580 Renee Bishop made over 50 calls to Lisa Winslow in the last six months. 244 00:14:14,650 --> 00:14:17,490 That's a lot of calls to your ex. Not if you're fighting over a kid. 245 00:14:17,550 --> 00:14:20,470 Lieutenant? Yeah,. Thanks. 246 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:25,200 Renee Bishop's credit card charges. 247 00:14:25,260 --> 00:14:28,930 She's been staying at the Melrose Hotel all week. 248 00:14:31,670 --> 00:14:34,880 Sure. I remember this little girl. Cute as a button. Here with her mom. 249 00:14:34,940 --> 00:14:38,610 Renee Bishop. Bishop? Just a minute. 250 00:14:40,210 --> 00:14:43,620 Here she is. Renee Bishop. They checked out an hour ago. 251 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,220 Damn. We're gonna need a record of her phone calls. 252 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,280 I'll print one out. 253 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,790 John, come here a minute. Doorman might know which way they went. 254 00:14:55,490 --> 00:14:58,200 N.Y.P.D. They're looking for this kid and her mom. 255 00:14:58,260 --> 00:15:02,300 Yeah, I remember them. I put 'em on a hotel shuttle to Port Authority. 256 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,610 Thanks. Great. By now they're on a bus to God knows where. 257 00:15:05,670 --> 00:15:09,140 518. I know that area code. It's upstate someplace, right? 258 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,520 There were a couple of 518 calls on her Florida LUDS. 259 00:15:13,570 --> 00:15:15,580 Same number. Bloomington, New York. 260 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,220 That's not that far. That's, like, two hours on the thruway, near Kingston. 261 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,690 Call the Port Authority, the phone company and the state police. 262 00:15:22,750 --> 00:15:25,320 I'll drive. 263 00:15:25,390 --> 00:15:27,730 [Police Radio: Woman Speaking, indistinct] 264 00:15:30,830 --> 00:15:32,770 Sir? 265 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:36,410 Have you seen this little girl on the bus? 266 00:15:36,460 --> 00:15:38,710 They got off last stop, Rosendale. 267 00:15:38,770 --> 00:15:41,110 They're not here, Ed. I know. Let's go. 268 00:15:41,170 --> 00:15:45,020 Detective? They were sitting behind me. The little girl said she was hungry. 269 00:15:45,070 --> 00:15:48,080 The mother said they would get something to eat after they got off the bus. 270 00:15:48,140 --> 00:15:50,090 Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate that. 271 00:15:50,140 --> 00:15:52,180 There's a pizza joint behind the depot. We're all over it. 272 00:15:52,250 --> 00:15:54,190 Thank you. 273 00:15:56,820 --> 00:15:59,560 [Whispering] 274 00:16:00,620 --> 00:16:03,000 Renee Bishop? 275 00:16:03,060 --> 00:16:06,470 Please. Not here. Not in front of my little girl. Come on, ma'am. 276 00:16:06,530 --> 00:16:09,270 Let's make this easy on everybody Grandma, what's happening? 277 00:16:09,330 --> 00:16:11,280 Don't worry, baby. It's okay honey 278 00:16:11,330 --> 00:16:13,740 Everything's going to be okay. [Green] You can come too, sweetie. 279 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,750 No! 280 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,650 - Leave her here with me. I'll take her home. - Sorry, ma'am. We can't do that. 281 00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:20,550 I'm her grandmother! Ma'am, I'm sorry. 282 00:16:20,610 --> 00:16:23,820 When we get to the city, Social Services will take very good care of Sophie. 283 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,790 Will I be able to see her? Sorry ma'am. That's not up to us. 284 00:16:26,850 --> 00:16:29,850 We're gonna take a little ride. Mommy's coming too. What about Grandma? 285 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,920 Grandma's gonna have to stay here for now. 286 00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:35,590 You go along with those men. I'll see you later, baby. Bye, Grandma. 287 00:16:35,660 --> 00:16:38,360 Bye, baby. Bye, Mom. 288 00:16:38,430 --> 00:16:41,240 Bye. 289 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:43,240 Bye, Grandma. 290 00:16:49,270 --> 00:16:52,270 Docket 2206, People v. Renee Bishop. 291 00:16:52,340 --> 00:16:54,680 Charge is one count kidnapping in the second degree. 292 00:16:54,740 --> 00:16:59,620 Mr. Hobart, can we get a plea before Valentine's Day is history? 293 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,490 Not guilty. People on bail? 294 00:17:02,550 --> 00:17:06,500 The People seek remand. The defendant was fleeing with the minor victim of the kidnapping. 295 00:17:06,550 --> 00:17:09,190 Ms. Bishop was taking her daughter for a family visit. 296 00:17:09,260 --> 00:17:12,200 The defendant bears no legal or familial relationship to this child. 297 00:17:12,260 --> 00:17:14,600 The People are being disingenuous. 298 00:17:14,660 --> 00:17:18,370 Wouldn't be the first time, counselor. Defendant is remanded. [Gavel Raps] 299 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,510 Mr. McCoy, opposing bail? Was that really necessary? 300 00:17:23,570 --> 00:17:26,070 Your client is charged with kidnapping, 301 00:17:26,140 --> 00:17:29,140 implicated in Lisa Winslow's homicide. 302 00:17:29,210 --> 00:17:31,920 Do you expect us to offer her a cup of tea? 303 00:17:31,980 --> 00:17:35,480 I was taking my daughter to see her grandparents. Renee, please. 304 00:17:35,550 --> 00:17:39,590 Mr. McCoy, your so-called kidnap is a custodial disagreement. 305 00:17:39,650 --> 00:17:42,100 Parents run off with their kids every day in divorce cases. 306 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,470 There's no legally recognized relation between your client and Sophie Winslow. 307 00:17:46,530 --> 00:17:50,200 - She's my child. - Not under Florida or New York statute. 308 00:17:50,260 --> 00:17:54,040 Okay, what do you say we parse the finerpoints of family law another day? 309 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:57,080 We all know you would've brought homicide charges if you had a case. 310 00:17:57,140 --> 00:17:59,050 Since you didn't, you don't. Not yet. 311 00:17:59,110 --> 00:18:03,210 So what are you saying? You're leveraging a trumped-up kidnap charge to investigate a murder? 312 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,660 For better or worse, Florida law gives us that authority. 313 00:18:05,710 --> 00:18:09,990 The law? The law wasn't there when I was on the phone with Sophie every day, 314 00:18:10,050 --> 00:18:12,550 and she was crying, telling me how much she missed me. 315 00:18:12,620 --> 00:18:16,330 My client was going to be in New York to visit her parents. 316 00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:20,930 She spoke to Ms. Winslow a couple of weeks ago to see if something couldn't be worked out, for Sophie's sake. 317 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,240 Ms. Winslow agreed my client could see Sophie. 318 00:18:24,300 --> 00:18:27,140 Sophie didn't have school that day, 319 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,980 so we decided to have lunch at their house. 320 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,350 When Ms. Bishop got to the house that morning, per agreement, she had no idea what had happened. 321 00:18:33,410 --> 00:18:37,180 But after she talked to the police, she grabbed Sophie and ran off. 322 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,280 An understandable panic response. 323 00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:42,660 When the police told her what had happened to Lisa, she was terrified she'd never get to see Sophie again. 324 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,720 You can imagine, Mr. McCoy, how I felt. 325 00:18:45,790 --> 00:18:48,770 I can also imagine that you were so angry at Lisa Winslow. 326 00:18:48,820 --> 00:18:51,300 for taking Sophie away from you... 327 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:55,710 that you threw her off a balcony in a rage. 328 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,870 Renee Bishop just happens to be in town the day Lisa Winslow's murdered? 329 00:18:59,930 --> 00:19:01,880 Never been a big fan of coincidence. 330 00:19:01,940 --> 00:19:04,280 And given Renee Bishop's account of the facts, 331 00:19:04,340 --> 00:19:06,980 I don't even know if a jury will see this as a kidnapping. 332 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,510 And I don't care, given the fact that Ms. Bishop is probably also a murderer... 333 00:19:10,580 --> 00:19:12,520 and the kidnap charge lets us hold her. 334 00:19:12,580 --> 00:19:16,690 Besides, Serena, the Florida statute is not some technicality. 335 00:19:16,750 --> 00:19:19,390 It's the law. Florida's in the minority, sir. 336 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:24,130 - Is it? - Most states permit some form of gay adoption, including New York. 337 00:19:24,190 --> 00:19:26,870 They don't specifically prohibit it, you mean. 338 00:19:26,930 --> 00:19:29,410 Pusillanimous “don't ask, don't tell" policies. 339 00:19:29,460 --> 00:19:32,410 Hardly a ringing endorsement of the underlying question, 340 00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:35,310 which makes a lot of folks queasy. 341 00:19:35,370 --> 00:19:39,840 Now, tell me, how are we gonna go about making out a homicide case against this Bishop woman? 342 00:19:39,910 --> 00:19:43,150 Everything about Lisa Winslow screams type-A-plus personality. 343 00:19:43,210 --> 00:19:45,160 Olympic athlete, Phi Beta at Brown. 344 00:19:45,210 --> 00:19:48,090 Well, New York's full of ambitious women. What are you thinking? 345 00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:52,030 Renee Bishop said that she arranged to meet Lisa and Sophie at their home. 346 00:19:52,090 --> 00:19:54,570 You think she's lying? 347 00:19:54,620 --> 00:19:57,300 I think that Lisa Winslow would sooner cut off her little finger... 348 00:19:57,360 --> 00:20:01,700 than take time out of her busy schedule in the middle of a business day. 349 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,270 The 25th? Oh, you mean the day after. 350 00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:08,970 All I see here are back-to-back-to-back meetings. 351 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,880 No mention of going home for lunch? 352 00:20:11,940 --> 00:20:16,180 At 11:45, she was going to pitch her services to the GenTech Corporation. 353 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,520 Is there any possibility she canceled? 354 00:20:18,580 --> 00:20:20,920 Blow off a potential Fortune 500 account? 355 00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:23,720 Do you have any idea how long it took her to get that contact? 356 00:20:23,780 --> 00:20:26,860 I'm gonna need the number for GenTech. 357 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,930 The C.E.O. of GenTech told me that Lisa Winslow never canceled her appointment 358 00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:35,340 She even confirmed it the day before. Strike one on Bishop. 359 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,970 Lisa never made plans with Renee for lunch or for anything else. 360 00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:41,880 Tell Jack, but you better count to 10 first. 361 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,710 I've already told you, Mrs. Bishop. I can't discuss the case with you. 362 00:20:47,780 --> 00:20:52,120 I'm terrified of losing my daughter. Please don't take my granddaughter too. 363 00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:56,220 Ultimately, it's not up to me. Whatever's deemed best for the child. 364 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,890 What's best for Sophie is to be with her mother, or us. 365 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,460 My husband and I, we're her family, Mr. McCoy. 366 00:21:04,530 --> 00:21:07,230 If Renee has to go to jail, we'd adopt her. 367 00:21:07,290 --> 00:21:10,870 We love her. It took a while with Frank. He's old-fashioned. 368 00:21:10,930 --> 00:21:12,930 But when he saw those blue eyes-- 369 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,240 Mrs. Bishop. 370 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:19,250 You can't send her to the Winslows, Mr. McCoy 371 00:21:19,310 --> 00:21:21,310 They've never even seen Sophie. 372 00:21:21,380 --> 00:21:25,120 They've never sent her so much as a birthday card. 373 00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:29,820 And now she's with Social Services, and they won't let me see her. 374 00:21:33,050 --> 00:21:35,000 I can't make any promises. 375 00:21:35,060 --> 00:21:40,300 Anything you can do for us, Mr. McCoy, please. 376 00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:49,910 All of the calls originated from Renee's phone in Florida. 377 00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:53,040 There wasn't one returned phone call from Lisa Winslow. 378 00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:55,780 She's harassing her. But look at the time frame, Jack. 379 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,150 All of the calls were between 3:00 and 5:00 p.m. 380 00:21:59,210 --> 00:22:02,220 After school, but before the end of the work day. 381 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,660 Renee talked to Sophie, never to Lisa. 382 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,170 The calls stopped two months ago. 383 00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:12,830 Lisa finds out that Renee's talking to Sophie, puts an end to it and cuts off all contact between them. 384 00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:15,400 And that pushes Renee over the edge. 385 00:22:15,460 --> 00:22:17,910 She comes to New York and returns the favor, literally. 386 00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:21,040 If you can confirm that, we're looking at a homicide charge. 387 00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:24,280 I'll talk to the nanny. Go straight to the source. 388 00:22:24,340 --> 00:22:26,280 Sophie. 389 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,250 [Southerlyn] Where'd you get your bunny? 390 00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:33,790 Mommy Renee gave it to me. 391 00:22:33,850 --> 00:22:36,020 She's a cutie-pie. 392 00:22:37,380 --> 00:22:41,260 Did you and Mommy Renee ever talk after you and Mommy Lisa moved to New York? 393 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,570 I'm not supposed to say. 394 00:22:46,290 --> 00:22:50,740 I have a secret too. You want to hear it? Yeah. 395 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,640 When I was seven, 396 00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:56,440 I put soap on my little brother's toothbrush. 397 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:58,610 Gross! 398 00:22:58,670 --> 00:23:01,020 Did you get a time-out? 399 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,520 I sure did. Me too. 400 00:23:03,580 --> 00:23:07,390 When Mommy Lisa found out that you were talking to Mommy Renee? 401 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,630 She got mad. 402 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,790 What did Mommy Renee say, honey? 403 00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:17,530 She said not to tell anyone. 404 00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:20,230 You're not going to tell, right? 405 00:23:20,290 --> 00:23:23,570 No, darling, I won't tell. 406 00:23:23,630 --> 00:23:26,740 Grandma? 407 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,750 Grandma! Grandma! 408 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,800 Hey, baby! [Sniffles] 409 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,250 Tell Mr. McCoy-- 410 00:23:35,310 --> 00:23:38,090 Tell him thank you. 411 00:23:38,150 --> 00:23:40,420 Grandma? 412 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,490 Can you take me home now? 413 00:23:45,650 --> 00:23:49,160 I'd rather observe an autopsy than go through that again. 414 00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:53,230 And Sophie Winslow kept the calls secret from her mother? [Phone Ringing] 415 00:23:53,290 --> 00:23:56,870 I have assistants in this office that don't show that kind of self-restraint. 416 00:23:56,930 --> 00:24:00,610 Mr. Branch's office. Your theory's right, Jack, it's murder two. 417 00:24:00,670 --> 00:24:03,810 Felony homicide. Renee Bishop intentionally killed Lisa Winslow... 418 00:24:03,870 --> 00:24:06,150 in furtherance of the kidnapping. 419 00:24:06,210 --> 00:24:08,880 The theory's beginning to look a lot more like fact. 420 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:12,120 M.E. just confirmed that Renee Bishop's D.N.A. was on the contact lens. 421 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:15,590 She was there. Game, set, match. 422 00:24:15,650 --> 00:24:18,220 Before you go jumpin' the net, we've got the child to consider. 423 00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:23,130 See if Mr. Hobart grasps the wisdom of a plea under the present circumstances. 424 00:24:26,430 --> 00:24:28,600 The D.N.A. evidence is incontrovertible. 425 00:24:28,660 --> 00:24:30,610 Not a word. 426 00:24:30,660 --> 00:24:33,770 We'll be amending the indictment to include murder in the second degree. 427 00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:36,340 That's absurd. It was self-defense. Ms. Winslow was drunk. 428 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,510 She attacked my client. They struggled. 429 00:24:38,570 --> 00:24:41,180 Save it, Mr. Hobart. The facts say otherwise. 430 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,220 She pleads to the top count, we won't oppose the minimum sentence. 431 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,920 How long is that? 432 00:24:46,980 --> 00:24:51,560 Sophie will be in college before you're eligible for parole. 433 00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:55,730 I can't do that. Who'll take care of her? The Winslows? 434 00:24:55,790 --> 00:24:59,130 They don't even want her. Some foster home? 435 00:24:59,190 --> 00:25:01,830 She won't grow up without me. 436 00:25:01,900 --> 00:25:06,140 Win, lose or draw, Ms. Bishop, you'll never have custodial rights. 437 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,510 Not necessarily. We've retained local counsel in Florida. 438 00:25:09,570 --> 00:25:12,070 He filed suit this morning on Ms. Bishop's behalf, 439 00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:15,590 challenging the constitutionality of the Florida law barring gays from adopting. 440 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,850 The Florida statute has nothing to do with the charges against your client. 441 00:25:19,910 --> 00:25:23,360 It has everything to do with them. If Ms. Bishop is acquitted and if we prevail in Florida-- 442 00:25:23,420 --> 00:25:27,870 You win the criminal case and overturn the Florida statute. Ms. Bishop can sue for custody of Sophie. 443 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,390 [Hobart] At least she has a chance. If she takes a plea, she's a convicted felon, an unfit parent. 444 00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:35,240 Any decision in Florida is years away. Things are moving fast. 445 00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:39,040 Look at the Massachusetts case on gay marriage. It's only a matter of time. 446 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:43,050 You're being given dangerous advice, Ms. Bishop. 447 00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:47,050 You'll lose both cases. You'll lose everything. Take the plea. 448 00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:49,050 No. 449 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,080 I can't. 450 00:25:53,150 --> 00:25:55,150 I have no choice. 451 00:26:00,020 --> 00:26:04,470 Renee Bishop doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hades of winning in the Florida courts. 452 00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:09,200 The Massachusetts Supreme Court ruled that the law against gay marriage is unconstitutional. 453 00:26:09,260 --> 00:26:13,040 That's Massachusetts. We're talkin' about Florida-- why we have states. 454 00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:16,210 Different states will draw the line at different places on this issue. 455 00:26:16,270 --> 00:26:20,280 Just where we were going with abortion before Roe v. Wade. 456 00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:24,580 Old states' rights proponent like you, I'm surprised you oppose gay marriage. 457 00:26:24,650 --> 00:26:27,630 But I don't. Don't necessarily approve of it either. 458 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,460 As far as I'm concerned, it's none of my business, or the federal government's. 459 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,050 I can't believe we're on the same side of this. 460 00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:36,990 I may have to reconsider my position. [Knocking] 461 00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:46,640 Hobart's moving to dismiss the kidnapping charge against Renee Bishop. 462 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,180 “The Florida law barring gay adoption being unconstitutional, 463 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,880 “there is a parent-child relationship between Renee Bishop and Sophie Winslow. 464 00:26:56,940 --> 00:26:59,860 Therefore, the New York kidnap charge is invalid." 465 00:26:59,910 --> 00:27:01,860 A mother can't kidnap her own child. 466 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,590 Kidnap charge goes, proof of Renee's intent to kill goes with it. 467 00:27:05,650 --> 00:27:07,600 The murder count is undermined. 468 00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:10,860 We still have motive. One spouse kills another over a child. 469 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,870 It happens every day 470 00:27:12,930 --> 00:27:15,070 On the other hand, if Hobart wins the motion-- 471 00:27:15,130 --> 00:27:17,510 He argues they just had a heated discussion that got out of hand. 472 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,440 It becomes “she said she said ” The odds of a conviction drop to 50-50. 473 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:25,510 Good luck to him sailing that past Judge Bradley. 474 00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:33,120 Judge, the probability that the defendant will prevail in Florida is infinitesimal 475 00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:38,100 New York law controls here. Ms. Bishop had no authority to take the child. 476 00:27:38,150 --> 00:27:41,570 Ethnically, morally, Renee Bishop had every right to take Sophie. 477 00:27:41,620 --> 00:27:46,400 The fact that she is a gay woman should not have been dispositive of her rights in Florida or New York. 478 00:27:46,460 --> 00:27:49,600 I don't give a damn who sleeps with who, counselor. 479 00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:53,340 I sure as hell don't care about some backward, redneck statute. 480 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,400 I see this more along the lines of a family dispute. 481 00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:59,420 Renee Bishop is emphatically not family. Catch-22. 482 00:27:59,470 --> 00:28:03,250 Florida law won't allow gays to marry, and then it says they can't adopt because they're not a family. 483 00:28:03,310 --> 00:28:05,260 He's bootstrapping, Judge. 484 00:28:05,310 --> 00:28:08,560 The defendant is the mother because she might overturn a law... 485 00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:10,560 that bars her from being the mother. 486 00:28:10,620 --> 00:28:14,060 You're putting the mule before the cart's even built, Mr. Hobart. 487 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,630 That's an issue for the Florida courts to decide some day, 488 00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:20,970 Till then, the parties have a trial to prepare for. 489 00:28:21,030 --> 00:28:24,310 - Motion to dismiss is denied. - Judge, if I may? 490 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:26,340 Make it quick, Mr. Hobart. 491 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,310 Sophie Winslow-- I've decided to call her as a witness. 492 00:28:29,370 --> 00:28:31,610 At what cost to Sophie? 493 00:28:33,140 --> 00:28:36,490 I am disinclined to allow it, Mr. Hobart. 494 00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:39,890 In her own mind, Renee Bishop was acting to protect her family. 495 00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:43,990 The child can establish the familial relationship, at least in Renee's mind, existed. 496 00:28:44,050 --> 00:28:47,830 Novel theory. [McCoy] Judge, it's an unnecessary burden for the child... 497 00:28:47,890 --> 00:28:50,490 and a naked attempt to appeal to the jury's emotions. 498 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,940 Of which you are never guilty, Mr. McCoy. 499 00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:56,670 The child can testify for the defense, 500 00:28:56,730 --> 00:29:00,840 but I will cut you off in a heartbeat if I see her in trouble, Mr. Hobart. 501 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,940 The deceased weighed 137 pounds. 502 00:29:08,010 --> 00:29:11,460 Had she simply fallen, her trajectory would have put her here, 503 00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:13,690 on this lower rooftop. 504 00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:16,730 How do you account for where the body was actually found? 505 00:29:16,780 --> 00:29:21,790 To reach this point where her body was recovered, she had to have been pushed, hard. 506 00:29:21,860 --> 00:29:24,770 Additionally, there were bruises to her arms and hip... 507 00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:28,170 consistent with being grabbed and hurled with some force... 508 00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:30,670 over the balcony guardrail 509 00:29:30,730 --> 00:29:32,680 Nothing further. 510 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:38,720 What was Ms. Winslow's blood alcohol again? 511 00:29:38,770 --> 00:29:40,840 1.2. 512 00:29:40,910 --> 00:29:43,390 That's intoxicated, isn't it? Yes. 513 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,480 Well over the legal limit, in fact? 514 00:29:45,550 --> 00:29:47,490 It affects different individuals differently. 515 00:29:47,550 --> 00:29:52,050 There are a lot of factors: body weight, stomach content, uh, tolerance to alcohol. 516 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,530 Are you familiar with the term, "falling down drunk"? 517 00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:58,330 - Objection. - Sustained. Rephrase or move on, counselor. 518 00:29:58,390 --> 00:30:03,400 Hypothetically, had Ms. Winslow, intoxicated as she was, 519 00:30:03,460 --> 00:30:06,270 come at Renee Bishop, 520 00:30:06,330 --> 00:30:08,510 isn't it possible that Renee Bishop, 521 00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:11,570 in an act of self-defense, adrenaline pumping, 522 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,680 could have deflected Lisa Winslow's attack, 523 00:30:15,740 --> 00:30:18,620 propelling her to the point where her body was found? 524 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,890 Not the way I read the evidence. 525 00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:23,190 But is it possible, hypothetically? 526 00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:25,860 Anything's possible. 527 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,420 [Judge Bradley] Redirect, Mr. McCoy? 528 00:30:30,020 --> 00:30:33,530 Nothing, Your Honor. The People rest. 529 00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:38,040 I'm in first grade. 530 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:40,340 Last year I was in kindergarten. 531 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,780 When you were in preschool in Florida, who got you ready in the morning and who took you to school? 532 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,910 Mommy Renee. 533 00:30:47,970 --> 00:30:50,420 And who picked you up from school? Mommy Renee. 534 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,050 And Mommy Lisa, did she ever take you to school? 535 00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:55,060 She had to work. 536 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,960 What about when you got home from school? What did you do? 537 00:30:58,020 --> 00:31:02,330 Sometimes we went to the park, 538 00:31:02,390 --> 00:31:06,630 or we had a tickle fight, or we played dress-up. 539 00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:10,610 - We? Who do you mean, honey? - Me and Mommy Renee. 540 00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:14,010 Your Honor, we get the picture. 541 00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:18,070 Ms. Bishop was the primary caregiver, Ms. Winslow the breadwinner. 542 00:31:18,140 --> 00:31:21,980 A rather traditional arrangement we're all familiar with. Wrap it up, counselor 543 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,510 Thank you, Sophie. You did great. Thanks. 544 00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:29,930 Hi, Sophie Hi. 545 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,520 You love Mommy Renee, don't you? Yes. 546 00:31:34,590 --> 00:31:38,300 - How 'bout Mommy Lisa? - I love her too. 547 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,470 - You miss her? - A lot. She's on a trip. 548 00:31:44,530 --> 00:31:49,380 When Mommy Renee called you just before she came to visit-- Do you remember that? 549 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,350 Yes. Did she ask you where Mommy Lisa was? 550 00:31:53,410 --> 00:31:56,950 I told her she was at the hotel giving a speech. 551 00:31:57,010 --> 00:31:58,960 It's her work. 552 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,060 Thank you, Sophie. Mommy Lisa's going to come home soon. 553 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,000 She's going to come and get me. 554 00:32:18,530 --> 00:32:21,840 When I came out in high school, 555 00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:26,580 my father told me that there was nothing I could do that would ever make him stop loving me. 556 00:32:27,570 --> 00:32:32,350 But even with my parents' love and support, I felt completely alienated. 557 00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:35,880 I knew that I would never get married, 558 00:32:35,950 --> 00:32:38,020 have children... 559 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,620 or all the things that straight people take for granted. 560 00:32:40,690 --> 00:32:43,100 Continuing objection to this line of questioning. 561 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,570 Get to the heart of the matter, counselor. 562 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,140 - What happened when you met Lisa Winslow? - We fell in love. 563 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,540 I wanted to make a life with her. 564 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,450 And when we adopted Sophie, it seemed complete. 565 00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:59,450 [Hobart] We? I mean Lisa. 566 00:32:59,510 --> 00:33:02,510 In Florida, gay people can't adopt, 567 00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:05,180 so to get around the law, 568 00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:08,250 Lisa adopted Sophie as a single parent. 569 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,760 She made a lot more money than I did. 570 00:33:10,820 --> 00:33:14,560 She was a stronger applicant, and it just-- 571 00:33:14,620 --> 00:33:16,760 it just made sense. 572 00:33:16,820 --> 00:33:20,270 - She said it was a formality. - Because of the Florida law. 573 00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:25,210 - Tell us about your family life. - Your Honor, Sophie Winslow has already testified about this. 574 00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:27,440 [judge Bradley] Sustained. Move on, Mr. Hobart. 575 00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:29,610 - Why did your marriage break up? - Your Honor! 576 00:33:29,670 --> 00:33:32,050 Withdrawn. Why did you and Lisa split up? 577 00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:34,920 Lisa left me. 578 00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:37,290 She met someone else. 579 00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:39,920 I got a lawyer, but he told me there was nothing I could do. 580 00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:41,930 I lost everything. 581 00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:46,830 Renee, why did you go to the hotel? 582 00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:50,130 I went to the hotel to talk to Lisa, to find some way to reach her, 583 00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:52,140 to do what was best for Sophie. 584 00:33:52,190 --> 00:33:55,440 But Lisa was drunk and abusive. 585 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:59,340 She told me that she would never let me back into Sophie's life. 586 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,810 She said that Sophie was starting to forget me. 587 00:34:01,870 --> 00:34:06,250 [Hobart] What happened then after she told you that you could never see Sophie again? 588 00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:09,150 I felt sick! 589 00:34:09,210 --> 00:34:12,020 I just went out onto the balcony to get some air. 590 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,990 I guess she followed me out there. She was yelling. 591 00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:18,390 She was slurring her words, the way she always did when she got drunk. 592 00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:21,430 She was pushing at me, and she's a lot stronger than I am, 593 00:34:21,490 --> 00:34:23,830 and she's bigger, and I was just scared. 594 00:34:23,890 --> 00:34:26,730 I guess I just must have pushed her back... 595 00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:31,370 because then she just lost her balance and she-she fell. 596 00:34:34,170 --> 00:34:37,150 Did Ms. Winslow invite you to her hotel? 597 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,980 No. Did she even know you were in New York? 598 00:34:41,170 --> 00:34:43,120 I don't know. 599 00:34:43,180 --> 00:34:46,180 In actuality, you went to her hotel and ambushed her. 600 00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:48,990 No, I went to her hotel to talk to her, period. 601 00:34:49,050 --> 00:34:53,520 When you got to her hotel, you attacked her and pushed her to her death. 602 00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:56,930 I didn't. She attacked me. 603 00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:59,530 She fell. It was an accident. 604 00:34:59,590 --> 00:35:02,540 You didn't call 911 for an ambulance or the police. 605 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,740 You abducted her child and got on a bus! 606 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,580 My child. 607 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,640 Our child. 608 00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:15,010 I just did what any parent would do. 609 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,320 You took Sophie and ran! Yes or no? 610 00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:21,220 How could I abduct my own child? 611 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,090 If anybody is guilty of kidnapping, it was Lisa. 612 00:35:44,170 --> 00:35:46,880 Can I get a pint, please, Marty? 613 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,950 You got any kids, McCoy? What difference does that make? 614 00:35:54,010 --> 00:35:56,690 If somebody tried to take them, what would you do? 615 00:35:56,750 --> 00:36:00,250 Fight like hell, within the strictures of the law. 616 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,320 That's easy for you to say. The laws are all on your side. 617 00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:07,030 Even divorced, you don't lose your status as a father. 618 00:36:07,090 --> 00:36:10,300 A crackhead who sells his daughter for $10 has a chance of getting her back. 619 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,310 Renee had nothing. 620 00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:17,540 Should Renee Bishop be able to adopt a child with her lover, get married, raise a family? 621 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,740 Questions for other courts on other days, Mr. Hobart. 622 00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:24,220 That day is coming... soon. 623 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,950 Offer stands. She can shave 10 years off her sentence. 624 00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:31,190 She won't go for it. 625 00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:34,060 She'll try anything to stay in her daughter's life. 626 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,930 You're banking on the hope there's a gay person on that jury. 627 00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:42,640 I'm banking there's a parent. 628 00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:54,740 This isn't about gay or straight. This isn't even about murder. 629 00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:56,810 There was no murder here. 630 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,020 This is about a tragic accident... 631 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,220 arising from a tragic situation... 632 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,660 created by an unfeeling partner and an unfair law. 633 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:11,600 Most of all, this is about a parent, a mother... 634 00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:14,730 whose child was taken from her. 635 00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:18,170 Renee Bishop didn't come to New York to kill Lisa Winslow. 636 00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:20,640 She came to talk to her, to reason with her, 637 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:22,650 to plead with her. 638 00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:26,050 She came to see her daughter, their daughter 639 00:37:26,110 --> 00:37:29,710 But Lisa Winslow didn't want to talk or listen. 640 00:37:29,780 --> 00:37:32,350 She was drunk and angry. 641 00:37:32,410 --> 00:37:34,550 She attacked Renee Bishop. 642 00:37:34,610 --> 00:37:36,960 Renee Bishop did not act except in defense... 643 00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:39,620 of herself and of her child. 644 00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:41,630 Make no mistake. 645 00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:44,530 There was no crime. 646 00:37:44,590 --> 00:37:47,440 No murder on the balcony that night. 647 00:37:47,490 --> 00:37:49,870 Only a tragedy 648 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,010 Of course, Renee Bishop is Sophie Winslow's mother... 649 00:38:00,070 --> 00:38:03,710 in every sense of the word that matters, 650 00:38:03,780 --> 00:38:07,730 but so was Lisa Winslow. 651 00:38:07,780 --> 00:38:12,790 And what kind of parent kills her child's other parent? 652 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,930 Mr. Hobart reminds you of the bond... 653 00:38:18,990 --> 00:38:21,940 between Renee Bishop and Sophie Winslow, 654 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,670 but he wants you to forget the bond. 655 00:38:24,730 --> 00:38:26,900 Between Sophie and Lisa, 656 00:38:26,970 --> 00:38:31,070 the woman who adopted her and loved her... 657 00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:34,550 as much as Renee Bishop does. 658 00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:37,110 This case is not about who's the better mother... 659 00:38:37,180 --> 00:38:39,250 or about a law. 660 00:38:39,310 --> 00:38:43,280 which may well be antiquated and unfair. 661 00:38:43,350 --> 00:38:47,020 It's not about what Renee Bishop suffered, 662 00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:52,730 but about what Renee Bishop did. 663 00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:58,440 And what she did was kill Lisa Winslow, 664 00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:03,570 and that law which she violated... 665 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,640 is as sure and certain... 666 00:39:07,710 --> 00:39:10,310 as the evidence... 667 00:39:10,380 --> 00:39:12,380 is conclusive! 668 00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:19,290 As much as you might empathize with her plight, 669 00:39:21,020 --> 00:39:24,940 you must return a verdict of guilty against Renee Bishop. 670 00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:39,140 As to the first count of the indictment, 671 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:42,350 murder in the second degree, how do you find? 672 00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:45,650 We find the defendant, Renee Bishop, guilty as charged. 673 00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:48,420 [Gasping] As to the second count, 674 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,690 kidnapping in the second degree? 675 00:39:50,750 --> 00:39:53,530 We find the defendant guilty as charged. 676 00:39:53,590 --> 00:39:57,690 The jury is dismissed with the thanks of the court. Short date for sentence. 677 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,700 [Gavel Raps] 678 00:40:05,730 --> 00:40:08,080 Come on, ma'am. Let's go. 679 00:40:16,380 --> 00:40:20,380 You win some, you win some. I'm comfortable with the outcome. 680 00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:23,890 Which would have been the same if they'd been heterosexual. 681 00:40:23,950 --> 00:40:27,230 But would any of this have happened if they'd been allowed to adopt as a married couple? 682 00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:31,060 They knew the law in Florida. If they didn't like it, they could have moved to another state. 683 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,630 I knew we weren't on the same side of this. 684 00:40:33,690 --> 00:40:36,040 I say, let them marry. 685 00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:39,440 Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us? 686 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,220 [Howling] 61540

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