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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:11,440 There is no great controversy in saying that the\h internet is full of strange beliefs and theories.\h\h 2 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:16,160 With a few clicks of your mouse, you can find\h message boards to share all sorts of nonsense\h\h 3 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,400 with people all over the world, throwing\h ideas back and forth to illuminate\h\h 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:26,080 non-existent problems. One such conspiracy you\h may have seen around online is the “Myth of\h\h 5 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:31,360 Great Tartaria,” which you can find dropped onto\h posts and videos relating to the Mongol Empire.\h\h 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,720 Today we will share with you a short guide to\h this internet myth, and give you some tools you\h\h 7 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:42,000 can use to debunk it, should you be unfortunate\h enough to see it in the wild, as well as explore\h\h 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,120 the historical puzzle of the usage of the\h word Tatar in relation to the Mongol Empire. 9 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:52,800 You know what is not controversial and is always\h in good taste? 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Don't miss\h out on this amazing snack journey through Japan! 24 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:10,000 As there are a number of variations to the\h Tartaria myth, we will address the most basic\h\h 25 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:17,040 version. In short, the myth states that most of\h the Eurasian continent was, until about 200 years\h\h 26 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:23,680 ago, incorporated into a massive empire called\h Great Tartaria, or Tartary. Depending on the\h\h 27 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:30,000 chronology the specific poster uses, this either\h followed the Mongol Empire, or the Mongol Empire\h\h 28 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,760 was in fact a part of this. Usually, Great\h Tartaria is presented as a period of peace,\h\h 29 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:41,200 prosperity and technological advancement, an\h idyllic world where all the cultures of Asia\h\h 30 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:47,520 lived in harmony. The myth-makers generally do not\h agree on the makeup of the empire’s population,\h\h 31 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:52,560 with some arguing that they were Mongolian,\h East Asian or the Tatars of modern Russia and\h\h 32 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,480 Eastern Europe, while others argue\h that the rulers of Great Tartaria\h\h 33 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:03,120 were white people, or sometimes even giants. What specifically brings down Great Tartaria is\h\h 34 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:09,200 vague. Some of the commenters have Europeans,\h usually the British Empire, jealous or fearful\h\h 35 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:14,400 of Tartaria’s might, and succeed in not\h just overcoming it, but destroying all\h\h 36 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:20,000 evidence both literary and archaeological, as\h well as any folk memory of the empire across\h\h 37 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:25,280 all of Asia, so determined were the Europeans\h to not be challenged in their authority again.\h\h 38 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:31,120 Other versions have the same process, but\h instead stick the blame onto history’s favourite\h\h 39 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:36,960 scapegoats, the Jews, who sometimes work in tandem\h with the British Empire, or actually run it,\h\h 40 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,840 while those who like to see Tartaria’s masters\h as white people tend to have the Jews act\h\h 41 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:47,520 on their own. The end result is the same,\h with the Jews somehow toppling the Empire.\h\h 42 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:53,440 Still others have Tartaria’s collapse come\h not from any human power, but ecological,\h\h 43 00:03:53,440 --> 00:04:00,400 a great “mudflood” which supposedly blanketed\h human societies. Tartaria was the great victim,\h\h 44 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,960 leaving no trace behind except for\h sunken buildings dotted around the world.\h\h 45 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,680 The understanding for these adherents\h then, is that the rest of history is\h\h 46 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:16,400 fabrication filling in the gap left by the flood. But if the British, Jews, or mud erased all\h\h 47 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:21,840 evidence of Great Tartaria, then how do these\h modern super sleuths manage to know its existence?\h\h 48 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:28,400 Well, for all their cleverness, the unseen enemy\h overlooked one matter; European cartographers\h\h 49 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:35,200 of the last 400 years. As the Tartarian truthers\h have pointed out, cartographers from across Europe\h\h 50 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:42,080 marked massive swathes of Asia as Tartary, Grand\h Tartaria and other variations of the term. The\h\h 51 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:47,840 trend continues to the modern day, where Tartary\h continues to be used for the Strait of Tartary,\h\h 52 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:51,200 for example, between the Russian\h coast and the Island of Sakhalin.\h\h 53 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:58,000 Which suddenly begs the question; if the goal\h was to remove Tartary from human memory, why can\h\h 54 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:03,200 it so easily be found not only in historical\h maps, but even in modern geographic usage?\h 55 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:10,080 And this is where the Tartarian theory falls apart\h as if struck by a massive mud flood. Tartary,\h\h 56 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:16,720 or Tartaria, was simply a European name to refer\h to most of Asia, and from the 13th century until\h\h 57 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:22,560 the 19th, remained perhaps the most common,\h if rather ambiguously defined, a term which\h\h 58 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:28,720 was almost synonymous in the European mind with\h “the east.” Central Asia and Siberia were most\h\h 59 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:34,480 regularly referred to as Tartary, often in overlap\h with Turkestan, Moghulistan, and Dzungaria.\h\h 60 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:40,800 Manchuria, and China itself, particularly under\h the Qing Dynasty, were sometimes included in it\h\h 61 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:47,120 as well. More ambitious though inaccurate\h maps even included India. However, it is\h\h 62 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:53,200 never a political term, but a geographic one,\h much like how today we will use Africa or Asia\h\h 63 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:58,640 to refer to the continents, but understand that\h these do not refer to unified political bodies.\h 64 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:05,280 It would be useful then to explore the historical\h usage of the term Tatar, and how it ended up on\h\h 65 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:10,720 these maps. For that, we need to look at what\h Tatar refers to in the historical sources.\h\h 66 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:17,520 The word Tatar originally refers to peoples in\h Mongolia, first recorded on the early 8th century\h\h 67 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:23,040 Orkhon inscriptions, and with sparse mentions in\h the works of Central Asian geographers or Chinese\h\h 68 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:28,640 dynastic sources in the following centuries.\h It reached its widest audience, so to speak\h\h 69 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:34,320 during the Mongol Empire. Generally speaking,\h sources from outside of the Mongol Empire,\h\h 70 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:39,520 especially in the first half of the thirteenth\h century, such as Arabic, Persian, Armenian,\h\h 71 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:44,240 the Rus’ principalities, the Byzantine Empire\h and European travelers like Friar Julian,\h\h 72 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,120 William of Rubruck or John de Plano Carpini\h to letters from Queen Rusudan of Georgia or\h\h 73 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:54,880 King Louis IX of France, to even Vietnam\h and Java, refer to the Mongols as Tatars.\h 74 00:06:55,840 --> 00:07:00,960 Sources from the Mongol Empire and eastern\h Asia tend to paint more complicated pictures.\h\h 75 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,960 Independent sources like the Jin Dynasty\h official Li Xinchuan or the Song Dynasty\h\h 76 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:12,480 envoys whose accounts were compiled in the\h Mengda Beilu and Heida Shilue, compiled by\h\h 77 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:18,160 visitors to the courts of the Mongol viceroy\h Mukhali and the Great Khan Ögedai, use Mongol\h\h 78 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:25,120 to refer to the state and Tatar as the population.\h An intriguing example comes from Ögedai himself,\h\h 79 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:30,800 who in a letter demanding the submission of\h Korea refers to himself and his people as Tatars.\h 80 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,400 Historian Stephen Pow has argued\h that Tatar in the late 12th century\h\h 81 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:41,040 served as a general endonym for at least\h part of the peoples of the Mongolian plateau,\h\h 82 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:47,360 with Mongol originally just the “dynastic” name of\h the political union established by Chinggis Khan\h\h 83 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:54,080 in 1206. This is reflected in how sources will\h consistently refer to the people as Tatars, but\h\h 84 00:07:54,080 --> 00:08:00,640 the empire itself is always the Mongol Empire, the\h yeke Mongqol ulus, especially in the few surviving\h\h 85 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:05,840 Mongolian-language documents of the period, such\h as the letters of submission the Khans sent to\h\h 86 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:13,600 the Popes. Then, around the 1240s and increasing\h over the 1250s, we begin to see a shift in usage,\h\h 87 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:19,840 with travellers recording the Mongols reprimanding\h those who called them Tatars. In the 1240s,\h\h 88 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:25,920 Plano Carpini and Simon of St. Quentin record that\h while others called them Tatars, they preferred to\h\h 89 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:31,920 be called Mongols; Carpini’s well-publicized\h account of his travels was awkwardly titled\h\h 90 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,880 “the Mongols whom we call Tatars.” The trend reached its apogee in the\h\h 91 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:42,720 later thirteenth and fourteenth centuries. Then,\h in government sources associated with the Toluid\h\h 92 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:48,560 Mongol Dynasties, first with Great Khan Möngke,\h then the Yuan in China and Ilkhanate in Iran,\h\h 93 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:54,240 Mongol becomes the catch-all term for the\h state and people, with Tatar reduced to single,\h\h 94 00:08:54,240 --> 00:09:00,560 rebellious tribe in Eastern Mongolia. The trend\h kicks off with the Secret History of the Mongols,\h\h 95 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:07,680 compiled in 1252 on Möngke’s order, and continuing\h with the most heavily utilized imperial sources,\h\h 96 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:12,880 such as the Compendium of Chronicles of the\h Ilkhanid vizier Rashid al-Din, or the Ming-era\h\h 97 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:19,200 Yuan-shi, composed from Yuan imperial documents.\h There, the Tatars were exterminated by Chinggis\h\h 98 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:25,440 Khan at the start of the 13th century. Taken at\h face value that the Tatars were only a single\h\h 99 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:31,440 specific group in Mongolia, it has been difficult\h to explain how it is that so many peoples across\h\h 100 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,960 the world kept calling the Mongols, especially\h when they had supposedly been exterminated.\h 101 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:43,600 What precisely kicked off the shift in the usage\h of Mongol and Tatar by the mid-13th century is\h\h 102 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:50,080 unclear; Stephen Pow suggests it may be associated\h with the fall of the Jin Dynasty in 1234,\h\h 103 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:56,560 the great enemy of Chinggis Khan. Then, with a new\h sense of legitimacy and with a whole generation\h\h 104 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:01,760 having grown up since the establishment of the\h Empire, Mongol started to become not just the\h\h 105 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:07,760 political term, but what we might term the ethnic\h one as well. The trend, though, seems to be more\h\h 106 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:14,320 closely tied to the Toluid lineage, which under\h Möngke seized the imperial throne in the 1250s\h\h 107 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:19,680 and likely actively encouraged the usage\h not just in the new imperial historiography,\h\h 108 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:25,520 but among the people at large. Non-Toluid\h dynasties, such as the Jochid Golden Horde,\h\h 109 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,600 never picked up the distinction, with\h the exception of Batu’s son Sartaq.\h\h 110 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:36,000 Sartaq spent time in the imperial capital of\h Karakorum and among the Toluids, and seems to have\h\h 111 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:42,960 identified himself as a Mongol; hence when William\h of Rubruck visited Sartaq’s encampment in 1253,\h\h 112 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:48,960 Sartaq’s officials insisted that Rubruck\h not call Sartaq a Tatar, but a Mongol. Yet,\h\h 113 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:54,800 due to distance and political falling out, Mongol\h never succeeded in replacing Tatar amongst the\h\h 114 00:10:54,800 --> 00:11:00,480 Golden Horde’s population, made up of “Tatars” who\h moved there during the great invasion under Batu.\h\h 115 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:06,880 Thus the Golden Horde’s population and descendants\h did not adopt the term Tatar from the Europeans,\h\h 116 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:12,960 as sometimes suggested, but instead had simply\h never stopped using it. And as Europeans had\h\h 117 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:18,320 the closest contact with these populations,\h Tatar was understood as the name for all\h\h 118 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:24,320 nomadic peoples of the steppes. The regular\h association with the Greek Tartarus resulted in\h\h 119 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:30,000 the regular addition by European authors both\h medieval and modern of an extra ‘r’ in Tatar.\h 120 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:36,560 Regardless of the specifics of the Chinggisid\h usage of the term, from the 13th century onwards\h\h 121 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:42,480 Europeans generally understood all the lands\h east of Hungary to be ruled by Tatars, and hence,\h\h 122 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:48,400 these lands were all Tatary, or Tartaria, much\h like how a Roman writer could refer to all lands\h\h 123 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:54,960 beyond the Rhein vaguely as Germania. The great\h 14th century English poet Geoffrey Chaucer in his\h\h 124 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,720 “Squire’s Tale,” certainly thought this to be the\h case, when he wrote of “Cambuskan,” the Great King\h\h 125 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:07,120 of “Tartary,” at war with Muscovy. European travel\h along the inner Asian trade routes, and across the\h\h 126 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:13,280 Mongol Khanates, continued into the mid-fourteenth\h century, by which point plague, wars between the\h\h 127 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:18,320 khanates, and collapse of most of them left\h the route too dangerous for further journeys.\h\h 128 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,040 Without new information on the\h changing political makeup of Asia,\h\h 129 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:28,080 in the following centuries, it was usually\h assumed that the Tatars simply continued to rule.\h\h 130 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,560 When Christopher Columbus set out\h at the end of the fifteenth century,\h\h 131 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:38,240 he expected to reach China, and anticipated to\h still find descendants of Khubilai Khaan ruling\h\h 132 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,680 there, not knowing that the Yuan Dynasty had\h been pushed from China well over a century prior.\h 133 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:50,080 Even as European contact and knowledge of\h Asia increased over the early modern period,\h\h 134 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:55,280 the understanding of the region, particularly the\h steppes, as the “lands of the Tatars,” remained\h\h 135 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:00,240 difficult to drop, particularly when many of\h these states were still ruled by people who\h\h 136 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:06,560 considered themselves descendants of Chinggis\h Khan, Tamerlane, or both. In the case of India,\h\h 137 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:11,200 ruled by the Mughal Dynasty was enough\h for some to lump it into Tataria as well.\h\h 138 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:17,680 Europeans were not above considering anyone they\h saw as remotely similar to the Mongols as Tatars.\h\h 139 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:24,240 The Manchu, rulers of the Qing Dynasty, were often\h referred to as Tartars even after the Qing Dynasty\h\h 140 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:30,800 fell in 1912. You can still find modern authors\h who will still mistakenly call the Manchu Tartars.\h\h 141 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:37,440 Today though, the only people regularly referred\h to as Tatars remain the largely Muslim, Turkic\h\h 142 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,400 people across Eastern Europe and the Russian\h Federation, a multitude of peoples from Poland,\h\h 143 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:48,960 to Crimea, to Siberia who are descendants of the\h Golden Horde. Siberia itself makes an interesting\h\h 144 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:54,720 comparison; the name comes from a later Tatar\h Khanate, the Khanate of Sibir, which itself\h\h 145 00:13:54,720 --> 00:14:00,880 was named for one of its major sites, the Sibir\h fortress, noted in 14th century Rus’ chronicles.\h\h 146 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,800 With the Russian conquest of the Khanate in the\h 16th century, the former Khanate and neighbouring\h\h 147 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:13,600 territory were known as Siberia. Gradually this\h has grown in scale. As an administrative term,\h\h 148 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,160 the Russian government uses it strictly\h for the Siberian Federal District\h\h 149 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:23,440 while popular usage has it for essentially\h everything east of the Urals to the Arctic Ocean;\h\h 150 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:28,160 territory which, only two or three hundred\h years prior, would have been dubbed Tartary.\h 151 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,520 It should be emphasized that Central and\h East Asian history is not a gap that needs\h\h 152 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:39,520 to be filled by a Tartarian Empire. From Asian\h sources in hundreds of languages and forms,\h\h 153 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:44,880 we have plenty of information on the political\h makeup of the region following the Mongol Empire.\h\h 154 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:50,800 Turkic, Persian, Chinese, and Russian sources,\h to name but a few, attest to the later histories\h\h 155 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,760 of the various Mongol Khanates and their own\h successors, from the Timurids to the Uzbeks\h\h 156 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:01,200 and Kazakhs in Central Asia, the Safavids\h in Iran, to the Oirats, or western Mongols,\h\h 157 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:06,080 from whom came the Kalmyks and the Dzungar\h Empire, the latter giving its name to Dzungaria\h 158 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:12,960 The belief in a vast, erased history of an empire\h known as Tartary comes from a misunderstanding of\h\h 159 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:19,680 European mapmaking from the 16-19th centuries,\h which would often lazily refer to vast tracts of\h\h 160 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:27,040 Asia as Tartaria. Any supporter of the Tartarian\h myth must ask the question: Which is more likely,\h\h 161 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:32,480 that some faceless organization completely\h erased the history of a vast Tartarian empire\h\h 162 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:38,480 archaeologically and in sources across the breadth\h of Asia, in hundreds of languages and replaced its\h\h 163 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:44,560 existence with made up dynasties, polities, and\h empires, but was unable to erase its presence\h\h 164 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:50,400 from maps which can be found in books purchased\h easily from your local book ship? Or that European\h\h 165 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,760 mapmakers simply stuck with convention and\h referred to much of Asia as 'Tartaria,' because\h\h 166 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:01,760 of its association with Tatars and Mongols. No\h shortage of peoples from around the world can\h\h 167 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:08,080 attest to Europeans’ tendencies to care little for\h the accuracy of colonial-era naming conventions.\h\h 168 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:13,920 Just ask the Indians who live in North America\h how well colonists like to be accurate with names.\h 169 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:20,400 Further, it can hardly be said European mapmakers\h had any need to necessarily reflect the truth of\h\h 170 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:25,840 the situation on the ground. European empires\h liked to portray themselves controlling vast\h\h 171 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:31,840 stretches of the American or African continents,\h even when in reality they had no troops physically\h\h 172 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:37,600 present or any control over matters on the ground.\h Just because a Spanish cartographer could show\h\h 173 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:43,440 the Spanish Empire controlling the entire western\h coastline from South America to British Columbia,\h\h 174 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:48,720 does not mean that Spain actually exerted\h control over such a region. Such facts, however,\h\h 175 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:54,880 never got in the way of good imperial map making. Belief in the state of Great Tartary rests\h\h 176 00:16:54,880 --> 00:17:00,320 entirely on taking European mapmaking as the\h single highest, most reliable form of evidence\h\h 177 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:06,240 of the last few centuries, and reducing all\h other sources to forgeries, barring those few\h\h 178 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:12,400 excerpts which can be removed from their contexts.\h Utilizing sources from any period always requires\h\h 179 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:18,080 understanding their contexts, and reasons they\h were made, a level of nuance that the internet,\h\h 180 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:24,000 unfortunately, is not always capable of reaching. We are planning more videos on the history of the\h\h 181 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,960 Mongols, so make sure you are subscribed and have\h pressed the bell button. 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