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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,305 --> 00:00:15,765 One, two, three. 2 00:00:23,314 --> 00:00:24,941 When I first met Johnny... 3 00:00:26,443 --> 00:00:30,572 I thought, "Oh, he's too nice of a guy to written such genius music." 4 00:00:32,782 --> 00:00:34,993 It is a magical ability that he has. 5 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:39,289 You hear his music for the first time and you can't forget it. 6 00:00:41,583 --> 00:00:44,961 More people around the planet love him, even if they don't realize it. 7 00:00:46,421 --> 00:00:51,425 I mean, how many composers can you hear just the beginning 8 00:00:51,426 --> 00:00:54,804 and you instantly know what movie that is? 9 00:00:56,181 --> 00:01:00,017 His music for me is so comforting. 10 00:01:00,018 --> 00:01:02,770 I know... I know immediately that it's John. 11 00:01:02,771 --> 00:01:06,274 This is... John's effect on people. 12 00:01:06,983 --> 00:01:09,819 When you hear the music and say, "Oh, yeah. He's that dude. 13 00:01:11,404 --> 00:01:13,572 Like Michael Jordan was that dude. 14 00:01:13,573 --> 00:01:14,865 And Bach was that dude. 15 00:01:14,866 --> 00:01:17,410 And John Williams is just that dude. 16 00:01:23,041 --> 00:01:24,374 He's inescapable. 17 00:01:24,375 --> 00:01:27,170 He is the solution so many times. 18 00:01:28,922 --> 00:01:32,716 John's music connects with his audience on such a primal level. 19 00:01:32,717 --> 00:01:34,802 It seems like these themes have been with us forever. 20 00:01:34,803 --> 00:01:37,304 At one point he sat down and figured them out 21 00:01:37,305 --> 00:01:40,016 and now they're just part of our collective psyches. 22 00:01:44,062 --> 00:01:45,687 But he's more than just a composer. 23 00:01:45,688 --> 00:01:47,689 He's just a brilliant guy 24 00:01:47,690 --> 00:01:52,320 who really understands the relationship between pictures and sound. 25 00:01:54,906 --> 00:01:59,244 He's the perfect marriage between old classics and modern pop. 26 00:02:00,203 --> 00:02:01,788 He's both to me. 27 00:02:05,041 --> 00:02:10,964 He's an incredible musical scholar of every style that exists. 28 00:02:11,589 --> 00:02:12,923 How does he do it? 29 00:02:12,924 --> 00:02:16,093 The winner is John Williams for Fiddler on the Roof. 30 00:02:16,094 --> 00:02:17,886 John Williams for Jaws. 31 00:02:17,887 --> 00:02:19,346 John Williams for Star Wars. 32 00:02:19,347 --> 00:02:20,764 John Williams for E.T. 33 00:02:20,765 --> 00:02:22,725 John Williams for Schindler's List. 34 00:02:25,854 --> 00:02:27,980 He's always in a process of discovery. 35 00:02:27,981 --> 00:02:29,857 It starts with what he experiences, 36 00:02:29,858 --> 00:02:33,695 watching a film and then going to the piano and writing. 37 00:02:34,696 --> 00:02:37,949 The music comes from the sky and envelops him. 38 00:02:41,369 --> 00:02:44,664 It's the purest form of art I've ever experienced from any human being. 39 00:03:08,646 --> 00:03:10,522 Real good lick. 40 00:03:10,523 --> 00:03:13,443 {\an8}This-This is one of my pianos. 41 00:03:14,152 --> 00:03:18,572 {\an8}And this one was at Fox with me for 25 years. 42 00:03:18,573 --> 00:03:21,951 The first thing I played for Steven on this piano was this... 43 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,669 And I played that for him and he said, "What is that? What are you gonna do..." 44 00:03:33,922 --> 00:03:36,423 What about the five notes of Close Encounters? 45 00:03:36,424 --> 00:03:38,508 Five... Uh, this one. 46 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,471 This piano... I played everything. 47 00:03:42,472 --> 00:03:44,806 E.T. for him and all of it. 48 00:03:44,807 --> 00:03:47,393 So that is the history of this little darling. 49 00:03:50,396 --> 00:03:52,189 It sounds like the wedding march. 50 00:03:52,190 --> 00:03:54,983 But we got married years ago. 51 00:03:54,984 --> 00:03:56,068 I know. 52 00:03:56,069 --> 00:03:57,236 It's true. 53 00:03:57,237 --> 00:03:59,821 {\an8}Oh, stranger. I'm so happy to see you. 54 00:03:59,822 --> 00:04:03,283 {\an8}- I'm crashing Johnny's moment here. - It's my bar mitzvah. 55 00:04:03,284 --> 00:04:04,785 Your bar mitzvah. 56 00:04:04,786 --> 00:04:05,869 - How are you? - I'm fine. 57 00:04:05,870 --> 00:04:07,997 - Happy New Year. Happy New Year. - And to you, baby. 58 00:04:08,665 --> 00:04:11,750 What's interesting to me about John Williams and Steven Spielberg is 59 00:04:11,751 --> 00:04:13,419 {\an8}when they're together they are a band. 60 00:04:14,003 --> 00:04:16,463 {\an8}And bands are great. 61 00:04:16,464 --> 00:04:20,550 When they're together they're greater even than the sum of their incredible parts. 62 00:04:20,551 --> 00:04:23,720 The music and the image are equally important. 63 00:04:23,721 --> 00:04:25,555 One is elevated by the other 64 00:04:25,556 --> 00:04:29,018 and if you took either away, it wouldn't be what it is. 65 00:04:30,103 --> 00:04:33,981 By the time I actually got my first job directing my first feature, 66 00:04:33,982 --> 00:04:36,858 I probably had already collected 500 soundtrack albums. 67 00:04:36,859 --> 00:04:40,571 And I was one of those fanboys of motion picture scores. 68 00:04:41,781 --> 00:04:43,824 But in the '60s and the early '70s, 69 00:04:43,825 --> 00:04:48,037 motion picture scores were becoming this magnificent anachronism. 70 00:04:48,746 --> 00:04:52,417 In other words, an orchestral score was no longer preferred. 71 00:04:53,084 --> 00:04:55,128 They got music of the era. 72 00:04:55,878 --> 00:04:56,962 It was a scary time 73 00:04:56,963 --> 00:05:01,300 because I really thought it was the end of that great era of orchestral scores. 74 00:05:01,301 --> 00:05:05,722 And I was not going to let that era end on my watch with my movies. 75 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:12,728 I had fallen in love with a score 76 00:05:12,729 --> 00:05:15,188 from a movie called The Reivers. 77 00:05:15,189 --> 00:05:18,483 And I made a promise to myself that if I ever get a first feature, 78 00:05:18,484 --> 00:05:20,027 whoever wrote the score, 79 00:05:20,028 --> 00:05:22,655 a man named John Williams, who I assumed was English, 80 00:05:23,197 --> 00:05:26,826 was going to be my composer if he would agree. 81 00:05:31,497 --> 00:05:34,166 After that I heard The Cowboys, which John also wrote, 82 00:05:34,167 --> 00:05:36,543 and at that point I was even more determined. 83 00:05:36,544 --> 00:05:37,669 {\an8}And so I asked John 84 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:40,714 {\an8}if he would write the score for my first movie, The Sugarland Express. 85 00:05:40,715 --> 00:05:43,176 {\an8}And John liked the script enough to have lunch with me. 86 00:05:46,554 --> 00:05:48,389 I adored him from the beginning. 87 00:05:49,932 --> 00:05:51,516 He was very young. 88 00:05:51,517 --> 00:05:53,477 And I was already 40, you know. 89 00:05:53,478 --> 00:05:58,149 A grizzled veteran from years of-of toil in Hollywood. 90 00:05:59,817 --> 00:06:02,235 He was an elegant man. Always has been. 91 00:06:02,236 --> 00:06:04,113 But very friendly, very warm. 92 00:06:05,073 --> 00:06:07,033 He looked a bit like William Shakespeare. 93 00:06:07,867 --> 00:06:10,577 He had the red hair and he had a little bit of a red beard. 94 00:06:10,578 --> 00:06:11,870 And beautiful hands. 95 00:06:11,871 --> 00:06:13,498 I remember... I just remember his hands. 96 00:06:14,624 --> 00:06:18,293 Within five minutes I realized that from a historical point of view, 97 00:06:18,294 --> 00:06:20,296 he knew more about film music than I did. 98 00:06:21,130 --> 00:06:23,006 To prove how much I loved film music, 99 00:06:23,007 --> 00:06:26,134 I think I probably hummed the first two minutes 100 00:06:26,135 --> 00:06:30,430 of the Alex North opening main titles from Spartacus, 101 00:06:30,431 --> 00:06:32,099 one of my favorite scores. 102 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:36,228 So I think John was either impressed by that or acted like he was. 103 00:06:36,229 --> 00:06:38,438 And thought I was some kind of a nut. 104 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:42,068 And then I-I went to see his film, Sugarland Express. 105 00:06:44,362 --> 00:06:46,656 {\an8}Friend, you wanna give that back? 106 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:49,826 You got no idea what's gonna happen to you. 107 00:06:50,785 --> 00:06:54,789 And I thought, "My, God. I mean, this kid is really a great filmmaker." 108 00:06:55,873 --> 00:06:57,374 And so he said yes. 109 00:06:57,375 --> 00:07:00,669 {\an8}And Johnny created an intimacy with one harmonica 110 00:07:00,670 --> 00:07:04,005 {\an8}that really brought the film to a place I never imagined it going. 111 00:07:12,682 --> 00:07:17,727 {\an8}Johnny deferred the main theme and a lot of the real evocative feeling 112 00:07:17,728 --> 00:07:20,815 {\an8}through Toots Thielemans, the famous harmonica player. 113 00:07:23,818 --> 00:07:25,902 The second John finished scoring Sugarland, 114 00:07:25,903 --> 00:07:30,575 I simply intended to use him on every movie I ever would make. 115 00:07:34,787 --> 00:07:38,123 {\an8}When it comes to this question of originality in film music 116 00:07:38,124 --> 00:07:41,543 {\an8}the composers are actually really often in a bind 117 00:07:41,544 --> 00:07:45,589 because they come on the job and there's a temp track 118 00:07:45,590 --> 00:07:49,217 which is pre-existing pieces of music, songs, 119 00:07:49,218 --> 00:07:52,846 bits and pieces of old film scores that the director and editors have laid down 120 00:07:52,847 --> 00:07:55,015 in order to assemble the rough cut of the picture. 121 00:07:55,016 --> 00:07:56,725 It's a bane for composers 122 00:07:56,726 --> 00:07:59,769 {\an8}because the minute we listen to a temp track 123 00:07:59,770 --> 00:08:01,564 {\an8}a lot of creative doors close. 124 00:08:02,690 --> 00:08:05,275 Very often the director will have fallen in love 125 00:08:05,276 --> 00:08:08,945 with the pieces that they've grabbed and put on the soundtrack. 126 00:08:08,946 --> 00:08:11,490 And so they'll be wanting something just like that. 127 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:14,618 And the composer will be expected to replicate the sort of collage 128 00:08:14,619 --> 00:08:15,703 of other people's music. 129 00:08:24,712 --> 00:08:30,300 For Jaws, I had this kind of esoteric idea of what the score should be. 130 00:08:30,301 --> 00:08:33,595 {\an8}And I had temped the picture with, actually, John's own score 131 00:08:33,596 --> 00:08:35,306 {\an8}from Bob Altman's Images. 132 00:08:38,017 --> 00:08:41,019 And John called me after he saw the rough cut of Jaws 133 00:08:41,020 --> 00:08:43,606 and he was laughing about my temp music. 134 00:08:46,192 --> 00:08:48,735 Well, that was the strangest thing because I... 135 00:08:48,736 --> 00:08:55,451 This score of Images was all effects and shrieks and frightening sounds. 136 00:08:56,327 --> 00:08:58,663 Jaws seems to me a kind of nautical adventure. 137 00:09:11,926 --> 00:09:12,926 He said, "Oh, no." 138 00:09:12,927 --> 00:09:14,261 He said "Sweetie... 139 00:09:14,262 --> 00:09:16,012 this is a pirate movie." 140 00:09:16,013 --> 00:09:19,349 This is like... Gets you right here in your kishkes. 141 00:09:19,350 --> 00:09:22,269 And he said, "Don't worry, I'm going to come up with something." 142 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:24,729 So, a week or two went by and I went over to his house 143 00:09:24,730 --> 00:09:27,023 and he was at his big Steinway piano. 144 00:09:27,024 --> 00:09:32,237 And I was expecting something just tremendously complex. 145 00:09:32,238 --> 00:09:34,364 And it's almost like "Chopsticks." 146 00:09:34,365 --> 00:09:36,284 He just used a couple of fingers. 147 00:09:36,867 --> 00:09:40,705 And he went... 148 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:43,457 I'm looking around. 149 00:09:51,549 --> 00:09:56,052 Think about being completely alone in a dark place 150 00:09:56,053 --> 00:09:57,847 where you can't really see anything. 151 00:09:58,431 --> 00:10:00,181 It's completely quiet. 152 00:10:00,182 --> 00:10:01,891 And the first thing you hear is... 153 00:10:06,814 --> 00:10:10,109 You feel that something dangerous is coming your way. 154 00:10:11,986 --> 00:10:15,323 Just from these low notes in an atmosphere where they don't belong. 155 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:19,909 At first I thought he was joking. 156 00:10:19,910 --> 00:10:22,996 Everyone asks me, "What does Steven Spielberg think... 157 00:10:22,997 --> 00:10:26,041 What were his thoughts when he first heard that?" 158 00:10:26,042 --> 00:10:28,418 What were your really true thoughts? 159 00:10:28,419 --> 00:10:30,462 - Did you think I was an idiot? - No. No, not an idiot at all. 160 00:10:30,463 --> 00:10:32,339 I thought, "Oh, my God. We're not gonna have an orchestra. 161 00:10:32,340 --> 00:10:33,715 We're gonna have a piano and... 162 00:10:33,716 --> 00:10:36,676 And Johnny's gonna just do a couple of things on the lower... 163 00:10:36,677 --> 00:10:38,762 - on the lower register." - Why didn't you say no? 164 00:10:38,763 --> 00:10:40,472 'Cause you kept saying, "Listen to it again." 165 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:42,015 - Okay. - You said, "Listen to it again." 166 00:10:42,016 --> 00:10:45,478 And I start to... I started to see the brilliance of what you had done. 167 00:10:49,940 --> 00:10:52,150 {\an8}- This should... This should be soft, Steven. - Yeah, I know. 168 00:10:52,151 --> 00:10:53,778 This is already too big, you know? 169 00:10:57,698 --> 00:10:59,938 And I had a shark that didn't work, remember? 170 00:11:00,201 --> 00:11:02,994 And I didn't have any idea that John was gonna come along 171 00:11:02,995 --> 00:11:05,289 and give me the shark that didn't work in music. 172 00:11:05,790 --> 00:11:08,793 So, his musical shark worked a lot better than my mechanical shark. 173 00:11:09,585 --> 00:11:13,297 {\an8}Even though its two notes, this is a theme. 174 00:11:14,048 --> 00:11:17,133 One thing a theme brilliantly can do 175 00:11:17,134 --> 00:11:23,641 is it can keep a character on-screen when they're not visibly on-screen. 176 00:11:27,228 --> 00:11:29,604 The question that I've asked repeatedly is, 177 00:11:29,605 --> 00:11:31,398 "How does he do it?" 178 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:34,568 {\an8}What is this divine spark? Where does it come from? 179 00:11:50,501 --> 00:11:53,753 I was called "Johnny" because it was my father's name 180 00:11:53,754 --> 00:11:56,382 so I was sort of "Johnny Jr." so to speak. 181 00:11:57,383 --> 00:12:00,051 My father was a drummer and a percussionist. 182 00:12:00,052 --> 00:12:02,470 And my mother was very musical. 183 00:12:02,471 --> 00:12:04,472 She was a girl of the '20s. 184 00:12:04,473 --> 00:12:07,475 That means that she could play the ukulele. 185 00:12:08,644 --> 00:12:11,480 She had been a dancer when she was very young. 186 00:12:14,608 --> 00:12:17,569 {\an8}My father was playing in a theater in Boston. 187 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:19,237 She was dancing in the show 188 00:12:19,238 --> 00:12:22,991 and musicians very often would meet a singer or a dancer that they work with. 189 00:12:22,992 --> 00:12:26,536 They formed some kind of relationship and married in 1929 190 00:12:26,537 --> 00:12:30,291 when she was 20 years old and he was about 25. 191 00:12:36,255 --> 00:12:39,340 I was born on February 8th, 1932 192 00:12:39,341 --> 00:12:43,888 in Flushing, Queens, New York at the Flushing Hospital. 193 00:12:44,555 --> 00:12:47,183 I had a sister and two brothers. 194 00:12:47,725 --> 00:12:51,312 Both of the boys were musicians. Still with us and working. 195 00:12:51,896 --> 00:12:55,106 And my sister, who has passed, was a piano teacher her whole life. 196 00:12:55,107 --> 00:12:58,027 And when we were younger, she played much better than I did. 197 00:12:58,986 --> 00:13:01,112 We were pretty much compelled to play the piano. 198 00:13:01,113 --> 00:13:03,073 My father thought we should all play the piano. 199 00:13:04,241 --> 00:13:09,329 And my practicing had to be done in proportion to playing baseball. 200 00:13:09,330 --> 00:13:10,747 If I played baseball for an hour, 201 00:13:10,748 --> 00:13:13,459 I must have to practice piano for half an hour. 202 00:13:17,671 --> 00:13:20,632 In those days, the radio was the source of news 203 00:13:20,633 --> 00:13:22,467 and entertainment. 204 00:13:22,468 --> 00:13:23,927 We had no television. 205 00:13:23,928 --> 00:13:28,014 And my father was working in radio studio orchestras. 206 00:13:28,015 --> 00:13:29,933 So I knew he would go to work, 207 00:13:29,934 --> 00:13:32,894 and at 8:00 that night, I would hear him on the radio. 208 00:13:32,895 --> 00:13:35,730 Your Hit Parade. 209 00:13:37,775 --> 00:13:40,735 They played with Benny Goodman and Tommy Dorsey's orchestra 210 00:13:40,736 --> 00:13:44,531 and I was very proud of his participation in all of this. 211 00:13:44,532 --> 00:13:47,575 'Cause I was very interested in listening to see if I could hear the drum. 212 00:13:49,870 --> 00:13:52,330 And so it was an extra kind of way of listening. 213 00:13:52,331 --> 00:13:55,041 As I began to listen to the instrumentation 214 00:13:55,042 --> 00:13:59,087 of bands and orchestras, I became very interested in the trombone. 215 00:13:59,088 --> 00:14:02,633 My father said, "You can have a trombone if you continue with your piano lessons." 216 00:14:03,551 --> 00:14:05,635 Music was so much a part of the family 217 00:14:05,636 --> 00:14:08,304 and the family's professional life 218 00:14:08,305 --> 00:14:11,474 that I never really had any other aspirations 219 00:14:11,475 --> 00:14:13,393 that I can confess to. 220 00:14:13,394 --> 00:14:15,728 My parents' friends were all musicians 221 00:14:15,729 --> 00:14:18,815 and that's what I thought you did when you're an adult. 222 00:14:18,816 --> 00:14:20,693 When you grew up, you played music somewhere. 223 00:14:27,992 --> 00:14:31,703 Our family moves to California when I was 15 years old. 224 00:14:31,704 --> 00:14:34,290 And I was a high school student at that time. 225 00:14:34,832 --> 00:14:37,417 And I went to North Hollywood High School. 226 00:14:37,418 --> 00:14:40,503 I had been playing piano since I was very young 227 00:14:40,504 --> 00:14:43,381 and distracted by the trombone for a couple of years. 228 00:14:43,382 --> 00:14:45,633 And my father said, "You have to stop the trombone. 229 00:14:45,634 --> 00:14:48,344 You gotta concentrate full-time on the piano." 230 00:14:48,345 --> 00:14:50,347 And I had a lot of catching up to do. 231 00:14:53,601 --> 00:14:55,476 So I worked so hard. 232 00:14:55,477 --> 00:14:58,730 I used to practice five, six hours a day, and the weekend all day long, 233 00:14:58,731 --> 00:15:01,451 to the point where my mother thought I was gonna die from doing this. 234 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,653 You can't call it an education. 235 00:15:05,654 --> 00:15:09,157 It's more of a training. Almost like an athletic training 236 00:15:09,158 --> 00:15:11,200 to be able to do what you have to do 237 00:15:11,201 --> 00:15:13,662 to accomplish a professional job at some level. 238 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:19,375 And that was the time that I began to pay more attention to movies. 239 00:15:19,376 --> 00:15:22,420 And I gradually began to listen to the scores 240 00:15:22,421 --> 00:15:25,632 because my father was working in the studios in Hollywood now. 241 00:15:25,633 --> 00:15:28,092 And I would go with him to witness what they were doing 242 00:15:28,093 --> 00:15:30,387 and seeing these people making music for movies. 243 00:15:33,307 --> 00:15:37,895 {\an8}What comes to mind most quickly is Leonard Bernstein, On the Waterfront. 244 00:15:39,146 --> 00:15:42,690 My father recorded on that score with Bernstein but there were many. 245 00:15:42,691 --> 00:15:45,778 Also at that time, he used to bring conductors' scores home for me. 246 00:15:47,112 --> 00:15:50,032 And I began to think that I could also do that. 247 00:15:53,077 --> 00:15:55,078 By that time, when I was in high school, 248 00:15:55,079 --> 00:15:58,831 I was able to write for instruments for our student orchestra. 249 00:15:58,832 --> 00:16:01,834 One of the students had written a musical play with piano 250 00:16:01,835 --> 00:16:04,128 so I orchestrated his musical's songs 251 00:16:04,129 --> 00:16:06,255 and conducted the student orchestra. 252 00:16:06,256 --> 00:16:08,800 So, I think I learned by doing. 253 00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:10,051 By practicing. 254 00:16:10,052 --> 00:16:13,680 And a lot of self-teaching, I have to say. 255 00:16:13,681 --> 00:16:18,310 My nose was in harmony, counterpoint orchestration books for decades. 256 00:16:21,188 --> 00:16:23,690 I had four years of service in the Air Force, 257 00:16:23,691 --> 00:16:27,318 and I was stationed for a period in St. John's, Newfoundland 258 00:16:27,319 --> 00:16:29,738 in the Northeast Air Command Band. 259 00:16:31,365 --> 00:16:33,074 At the end of the Second World War, 260 00:16:33,075 --> 00:16:36,828 the Canadian government invited people in the film business 261 00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:39,623 to come and establish film companies in Canada. 262 00:16:40,749 --> 00:16:44,711 So Studio Hamburg from Germany brought their crew and their equipment 263 00:16:44,712 --> 00:16:45,837 to St. John's. 264 00:16:45,838 --> 00:16:48,548 And they wanted to make a documentary film travelogue 265 00:16:48,549 --> 00:16:51,217 of the Maritime Provinces of Canada. 266 00:16:51,218 --> 00:16:53,928 And they made this film, this little film, You Are Welcome, 267 00:16:53,929 --> 00:16:55,431 and they had no music for it. 268 00:16:59,059 --> 00:17:01,061 And somehow they called me. 269 00:17:02,771 --> 00:17:04,147 I'd never scored a film. 270 00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:06,733 And they said, "Do you think you can write music for this film?" 271 00:17:06,734 --> 00:17:08,819 And I said, "Sure I can." 272 00:17:09,945 --> 00:17:14,657 So, I went to the library in St. John's and got a book of Newfoundland folk songs. 273 00:17:14,658 --> 00:17:16,952 And, well, I could make this little thing out of. 274 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:21,165 And so that's the history of how it happened. 275 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:26,210 I cannot tell you that as a young man in my early twenties 276 00:17:26,211 --> 00:17:29,298 I intended to do anything else professionally but play the piano. 277 00:17:29,923 --> 00:17:32,425 The fact that I ended up composing music professionally, 278 00:17:32,426 --> 00:17:33,926 and particularly for film, 279 00:17:33,927 --> 00:17:36,305 was a series of fortuitous accidents. 280 00:17:39,308 --> 00:17:41,477 I was infatuated with jazz. 281 00:17:42,019 --> 00:17:45,271 I loved the jazz that I would hear on the radio and wanted to try to play it, 282 00:17:45,272 --> 00:17:48,067 {\an8}which I did as a young adult and even as a young professional. 283 00:17:48,650 --> 00:17:51,069 {\an8}I could never claim as a player 284 00:17:51,070 --> 00:17:54,113 {\an8}to be a major league jazz player like Oscar Peterson 285 00:17:54,114 --> 00:17:56,032 or Teddy Wilson or Art Tatum. 286 00:17:56,033 --> 00:17:58,659 But I was... fair, I guess you could say. 287 00:17:58,660 --> 00:17:59,995 But I love writing it. 288 00:18:04,208 --> 00:18:06,834 When I was younger, I went through a phase in high school, 289 00:18:06,835 --> 00:18:10,463 {\an8}and a few years afterwards, of being very much into jazz. 290 00:18:10,464 --> 00:18:14,050 So I just knew him as a jazz musician, you know, as a pianist. 291 00:18:14,051 --> 00:18:17,011 You listen to what he wrote in his 20s, 292 00:18:17,012 --> 00:18:18,888 there's that album, Rhythm in Motion... 293 00:18:20,516 --> 00:18:22,642 that he put together when he had his jazz band. 294 00:18:22,643 --> 00:18:23,976 And it's fantastic. 295 00:18:23,977 --> 00:18:27,438 There are composers much, much older today who couldn't even touch it. 296 00:18:27,439 --> 00:18:30,149 It's easy to forget that he started out as a jazz guy. 297 00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:35,238 You know, not what you might expect if you kind of come to him in 1977 298 00:18:35,239 --> 00:18:38,242 as the composer of Star Wars and Close Encounters. 299 00:18:41,203 --> 00:18:42,787 {\an8}But it's hard to imagine someone 300 00:18:42,788 --> 00:18:45,248 {\an8}writing a piece like the Cantina scene 301 00:18:45,249 --> 00:18:47,875 {\an8}while knowing absolutely nothing about jazz. 302 00:18:47,876 --> 00:18:50,336 {\an8}I've heard really bad attempts at that kind of stuff 303 00:18:50,337 --> 00:18:54,299 {\an8}and it comes across as a clichéd affectation at best. 304 00:18:55,676 --> 00:18:58,470 But it was always like, "Yeah, this is... this is hip." 305 00:18:59,471 --> 00:19:01,723 That brings me to Catch Me If You Can. 306 00:19:03,267 --> 00:19:05,309 {\an8}When I heard that, it was jazz. 307 00:19:05,310 --> 00:19:07,437 I mean, this cat's killing it, man. It was just great. 308 00:19:08,355 --> 00:19:12,358 I sat through the movie and then I wrote his office an email 309 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,947 and said, "Please implore Maestro Williams to turn this into a saxophone concerto." 310 00:19:17,489 --> 00:19:22,368 And a few days later, I got a message back saying, "Thank you for your interest. 311 00:19:22,369 --> 00:19:23,619 It's already in the works 312 00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:25,997 and it'll be available within the next six weeks." 313 00:19:27,207 --> 00:19:29,459 So, I was very excited about that. 314 00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:42,805 I was never a movie buff, or a movie fan, then as now. 315 00:19:42,806 --> 00:19:44,765 I don't go to the movies. Very, very rarely. 316 00:19:44,766 --> 00:19:47,977 But my father played in all of these studio orchestras 317 00:19:47,978 --> 00:19:51,063 at Columbia and MGM, 20th Century Fox, and so on. 318 00:19:51,064 --> 00:19:54,108 So, the fact that musicians would find work in the studios 319 00:19:54,109 --> 00:19:58,112 meant I became interested in film music for a job. 320 00:19:58,113 --> 00:20:00,865 I went to Columbia Pictures and played for Morris Stoloff, 321 00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:02,491 who was the music director of the studio. 322 00:20:02,492 --> 00:20:05,037 And he hired me to play piano in the orchestra. 323 00:20:05,746 --> 00:20:08,956 I played in that orchestra for two years working nearly every day. 324 00:20:08,957 --> 00:20:11,209 And later I went over to 20th Century Fox 325 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:14,795 and played for Alfred Newman on a number of occasions there and at Paramount. 326 00:20:14,796 --> 00:20:18,466 Played for Bernard Herrmann and Franz Waxman and Henry Mancini 327 00:20:18,467 --> 00:20:20,427 in the more jazz, sort of, kind of vein. 328 00:20:21,011 --> 00:20:23,013 That piano signature he does in Peter Gunn. 329 00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:33,231 {\an8}Where he's banging away and he's playing really hard. 330 00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:37,027 {\an8}That, to me, is kind of the foundation of jazz funk. 331 00:20:41,740 --> 00:20:43,115 {\an8}I got so busy. 332 00:20:43,116 --> 00:20:45,369 {\an8}I was playing everyday in a studio somewhere. 333 00:20:51,833 --> 00:20:54,585 {\an8}But in the process of playing piano in these orchestras, 334 00:20:54,586 --> 00:20:56,796 some of these older colleagues would occasionally say to me, 335 00:20:56,797 --> 00:20:58,597 "Can you orchestrate something for next week?" 336 00:21:03,762 --> 00:21:06,514 The next thing that happened was I had orchestrated a few cues 337 00:21:06,515 --> 00:21:09,684 and somebody said, "Do you mind conducting for the next half hour?" 338 00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:12,896 With the temerity of youth, I said, "Of course I can conduct. I will do that." 339 00:21:13,814 --> 00:21:17,149 Finally said to my wife, "I think I'll just compose if I can." 340 00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:21,153 And before I realized it, I was so busy writing in television and film 341 00:21:21,154 --> 00:21:22,905 that I said to my wife, 342 00:21:22,906 --> 00:21:24,991 "I can't keep spending these hours in the orchestra. 343 00:21:24,992 --> 00:21:27,368 I have to stop playing and write." 344 00:21:27,369 --> 00:21:30,371 And actually make a little bit more money that way. 345 00:21:30,372 --> 00:21:33,333 I had three children, had to think about practical aspects. 346 00:21:34,584 --> 00:21:39,839 {\an8}My earliest memory of my father was we had a corduroy rug 347 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,049 {\an8}in small room in our home. 348 00:21:42,050 --> 00:21:43,759 On the rug was a piano 349 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,681 and so he would play there in this little room with the funny rug. 350 00:21:53,103 --> 00:21:57,148 My mother was Barbara Ruick, and she was an actress and a singer. 351 00:21:57,149 --> 00:22:00,568 {\an8}She played Carrie Pipperidge in Carousel. 352 00:22:00,569 --> 00:22:06,450 {\an8}♪ Then I'll kiss him so he'll know ♪ 353 00:22:07,534 --> 00:22:11,620 I have two brothers who are younger than me, Mark and Joe. 354 00:22:11,621 --> 00:22:13,080 They're both musicians. 355 00:22:13,081 --> 00:22:16,042 Joe is the lead singer for the band Toto 356 00:22:16,043 --> 00:22:17,376 and Mark is a drummer 357 00:22:17,377 --> 00:22:19,253 and has played with Crosby, Stills, and Nash 358 00:22:19,254 --> 00:22:21,547 and Air Supply and Tina Turner. 359 00:22:21,548 --> 00:22:24,091 My parents were very glamorous 360 00:22:24,092 --> 00:22:26,177 and they went out a lot. 361 00:22:26,178 --> 00:22:28,054 They threw parties. 362 00:22:28,055 --> 00:22:30,723 We also always had a nice Christmas. 363 00:22:30,724 --> 00:22:31,975 Christmas was lovely. 364 00:22:33,435 --> 00:22:36,730 I remember that my father played a lot of show tunes. 365 00:22:37,647 --> 00:22:41,567 He and my mother would rehearse and have fun together and play songs. 366 00:22:41,568 --> 00:22:45,322 And we were able to entertain each other and make each other laugh 367 00:22:46,281 --> 00:22:48,075 and have so much fun together. 368 00:22:50,911 --> 00:22:53,789 So I found myself writing television shows every week. 369 00:22:55,791 --> 00:22:59,960 I had several wonderful years where I had one hour anthologies. 370 00:22:59,961 --> 00:23:03,006 Chrysler... Bob Hope Theatre and Alcoa Theatre. 371 00:23:03,548 --> 00:23:05,925 And one week it's a western, the next week it's a comedy, 372 00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:07,802 the next week it's some drama. 373 00:23:07,803 --> 00:23:10,179 Every possible thing you can imagine 374 00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:12,973 done by directors who went on to do feature films. 375 00:23:12,974 --> 00:23:16,144 Syd Pollack and Dick Donner and Robert Altman. 376 00:23:16,895 --> 00:23:18,270 He mostly worked at Fox, 377 00:23:18,271 --> 00:23:20,606 but he would work at home a lot on the weekends. 378 00:23:20,607 --> 00:23:22,943 And he was always scribbling away. 379 00:23:24,528 --> 00:23:30,408 One time he was writing and I wrote him a note saying, 380 00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:32,994 "You gotta come out and see me and attend to this." 381 00:23:33,537 --> 00:23:39,209 And I pushed it under the door and that made him mad. 382 00:23:39,835 --> 00:23:43,671 In the '60s, I worked at the studios more than I did at home 383 00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:45,089 for a very practical reason. 384 00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:46,632 My children were very young 385 00:23:46,633 --> 00:23:49,635 and there was a lot of noise and distraction around the house. 386 00:23:49,636 --> 00:23:54,348 And hard to achieve the kind of isolation and solitude you need to be composing. 387 00:23:54,349 --> 00:23:55,808 So, I'd come in to Universal 388 00:23:55,809 --> 00:23:58,394 or go to Fox Studios, where I worked for a long time, 389 00:23:58,395 --> 00:24:03,191 not as an employee but just as a sort of man who came to dinner and stayed. 390 00:24:05,277 --> 00:24:09,280 {\an8}The fact that the same man wrote the score for Star Wars 391 00:24:09,281 --> 00:24:13,492 {\an8}and also wrote music for Gilligan's Island 392 00:24:13,493 --> 00:24:16,829 gives you his vast and seemingly limitless range. 393 00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:18,414 {\an8}You get that pole! 394 00:24:18,415 --> 00:24:19,583 {\an8}Aye, aye, sir. 395 00:24:23,795 --> 00:24:25,004 How about this one, Skipper? 396 00:24:25,005 --> 00:24:26,630 Perfect. Now get it in here! 397 00:24:26,631 --> 00:24:27,966 On the double. 398 00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:35,639 We were in Hawaii on a family vacation 399 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,266 and he got a ukulele. 400 00:24:37,267 --> 00:24:41,228 And his assignment was he was supposed to write a new theme for Lost in Space. 401 00:24:41,229 --> 00:24:44,649 So he wrote the theme for the TV show on the ukulele. 402 00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:54,742 These were opportunities to work for, in this case, 20th Century Fox, 403 00:24:54,743 --> 00:24:57,203 where I formed a friendship with Lionel Newman. 404 00:24:57,204 --> 00:25:00,539 And if I hadn't made the step into television, 405 00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:04,044 I wouldn't have had the opportunity later to do feature films. 406 00:25:07,797 --> 00:25:10,132 {\an8}How much did they pay you, John? What does it say there? 407 00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:12,009 {\an8}$12,500. 408 00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:14,094 {\an8}Ooh, for a week? 409 00:25:14,095 --> 00:25:17,265 For ten weeks! Oh, no. 410 00:25:18,934 --> 00:25:21,310 I did a lot of comedies at one point, 411 00:25:21,311 --> 00:25:23,647 and I really felt, ugh, I don't want to do another comedy. 412 00:25:24,981 --> 00:25:27,149 An older colleague of mine called me 413 00:25:27,150 --> 00:25:30,569 and he said, "John, if you're going to be composing music for film, 414 00:25:30,570 --> 00:25:32,696 when they're going to put your name on the film, 415 00:25:32,697 --> 00:25:35,449 and it can't be Johnny. That's a fine name for a juvenile person 416 00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:38,827 but you have to change your name. You have to be John Williams." 417 00:25:38,828 --> 00:25:40,955 So I-I actually... I thought he was right. 418 00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:43,666 {\an8}♪ If I were a rich man ♪ 419 00:25:43,667 --> 00:25:48,004 {\an8}♪ Ya ba dibba dibba Dibba dibba dibba dibba dum ♪ 420 00:25:48,838 --> 00:25:52,299 ♪ All day long I'd biddy biddy bum ♪ 421 00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:54,635 ♪ If I were a wealthy man ♪ 422 00:25:54,636 --> 00:25:55,553 ♪ I... ♪ 423 00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:59,056 The first really major budget films were musicals, 424 00:25:59,057 --> 00:26:01,267 {\an8}in which case, I was arranger, orchestrator, 425 00:26:01,268 --> 00:26:02,768 {\an8}but also music director and conductor. 426 00:26:02,769 --> 00:26:07,565 We needed to have choral tracks, children tracks, orchestra tracks of all kinds. 427 00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:10,818 And every word of the vocals had to be understood, even with a chorus. 428 00:26:10,819 --> 00:26:14,281 ♪ Tradition, tradition! ♪ 429 00:26:15,991 --> 00:26:17,616 ♪ Tradition! ♪ 430 00:26:17,617 --> 00:26:19,868 So, in the manufacture of this thing, 431 00:26:19,869 --> 00:26:22,454 the mixing of all these sounds, the editing and cutting 432 00:26:22,455 --> 00:26:26,375 is an education of its own and an enormous experience for me. 433 00:26:26,376 --> 00:26:29,044 Not especially as a composer, but as-as someone... 434 00:26:29,045 --> 00:26:32,507 As-as a craftsman working in the process of making films. 435 00:26:37,012 --> 00:26:38,262 Goodbye, Mr. Chips. 436 00:26:38,263 --> 00:26:41,015 {\an8}Initially, the score was written by André Previn, 437 00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:44,977 {\an8}but unhappiness emerged between André and the producer. 438 00:26:44,978 --> 00:26:49,607 {\an8}So Leslie Bricusse was engaged to do the score, both lyrics and music. 439 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:54,778 But André Previn was something of a mentor and was very encouraging to me. 440 00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:56,989 He didn't think I should stay in Hollywood. 441 00:26:56,990 --> 00:27:00,492 He said, "John, you want to write your own music: concertos, symphonies. 442 00:27:00,493 --> 00:27:03,622 Don't waste your time on so-called 'commercial work'." 443 00:27:04,497 --> 00:27:06,373 Frankly, I thought if I had his talent, 444 00:27:06,374 --> 00:27:08,834 perhaps I would leave the movies and write symphonies. 445 00:27:08,835 --> 00:27:12,797 But I didn't lose myself in Hollywood. I found myself. 446 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:16,800 {\an8}That's the thing about John Williams. 447 00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:19,595 {\an8}As good as the material he's getting, he always makes it better. 448 00:27:19,596 --> 00:27:21,764 He always finds a way to tap into the essence 449 00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:25,392 of what makes it moving, or meaningful, or resonant. 450 00:27:25,393 --> 00:27:28,020 {\an8}Even when it was a classic '70s disaster film 451 00:27:28,021 --> 00:27:30,148 {\an8}like Poseidon Adventure or Earthquake. 452 00:27:34,402 --> 00:27:36,612 One of my earliest memories of John on the podium 453 00:27:36,613 --> 00:27:40,074 was seeing him conduct Poseidon Adventure and The Towering Inferno, 454 00:27:40,075 --> 00:27:43,160 and you could come in and you'd be right next to the bass players 455 00:27:43,161 --> 00:27:46,831 and there would be John and I... and I think his classic black turtleneck. 456 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:50,751 And he would conduct and I would kind of sit quietly 457 00:27:50,752 --> 00:27:54,047 with some degree of intimidation and watch this all go down. 458 00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:58,300 {\an8}Irwin Allen was a wonderfully flamboyant character. 459 00:27:58,301 --> 00:28:01,387 {\an8}He was wonderful with the mixing of the sound called dubbing, 460 00:28:01,388 --> 00:28:04,223 where the sound effects and dialogue and music is all put together, 461 00:28:04,224 --> 00:28:06,850 and he always insisted everything be louder. 462 00:28:06,851 --> 00:28:09,020 Just simply, make it louder. 463 00:28:14,317 --> 00:28:16,820 I've done all this using a pencil and paper 464 00:28:17,445 --> 00:28:19,739 and I still use them and I haven't changed. 465 00:28:20,323 --> 00:28:22,991 I've actually been so busy in the years that I've been working here 466 00:28:22,992 --> 00:28:26,704 that I haven't had time to retool and learn the electronic systems, 467 00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:29,373 which I think probably go a little faster. 468 00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:31,126 If you wanna write this... 469 00:28:32,335 --> 00:28:35,755 it's nine or ten notes. I have to write them like this. 470 00:28:36,339 --> 00:28:37,382 And if it's... 471 00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:42,761 That's a lot of notes. 472 00:28:42,762 --> 00:28:45,598 And in the computer, you push a button and then you can see it. 473 00:28:46,349 --> 00:28:47,949 I have to write all those little things. 474 00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:53,148 So, I'm probably taking a lot more time to do things than my younger colleagues do. 475 00:28:54,941 --> 00:28:58,402 A lot of times I write music, I'll fill up the paper with notes 476 00:28:58,403 --> 00:29:00,195 and come back the next morning and look at it. 477 00:29:00,196 --> 00:29:03,532 And it is as though someone else had written it. 478 00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:05,951 I look at that and say, "I couldn't possibly have written all that. 479 00:29:05,952 --> 00:29:09,205 Certainly not yesterday. There wouldn't have been enough time." 480 00:29:10,582 --> 00:29:14,918 He's somebody who learned his skills painstakingly, 481 00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:18,756 {\an8}and now he lives in a time where you can conjure music 482 00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:20,675 {\an8}from a prompt with A.I. 483 00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:26,597 And I think people should see somebody who has worked alone in a room 484 00:29:26,598 --> 00:29:29,349 for 60-plus years. 485 00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:32,770 There's a lot of sacrifices. There's been some pain in his life. 486 00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:36,107 And so, when you pass a certain point, he gets quiet. 487 00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:41,237 And I think that he expresses himself through music. 488 00:29:57,629 --> 00:30:00,214 My mother was away in Reno, Nevada, 489 00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:03,927 doing a small part in a film called California Split. 490 00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:07,095 {\an8}- Old Blue out of chute number two. - Old Blue? 491 00:30:07,096 --> 00:30:08,806 {\an8}Old Blue out of chute number two. 492 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,098 {\an8}- That's the truth. - No. 493 00:30:10,099 --> 00:30:12,559 {\an8}We received a phone call from Kathryn Altman 494 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,313 {\an8}saying, "You need to have your father call me." 495 00:30:16,189 --> 00:30:18,232 So I wait in the house for about an hour or so, 496 00:30:18,233 --> 00:30:20,985 and he comes home and I say, "I think something's going on with Mom." 497 00:30:24,405 --> 00:30:29,076 It was an unbelievable event. A perfectly healthy, gorgeous young woman 498 00:30:29,077 --> 00:30:32,831 suddenly gone from an aneurysm that we couldn't have predicted. 499 00:30:33,414 --> 00:30:36,834 That was a profound event in my life, obviously, my wife, 500 00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:41,798 but also the mother of my three children. And she was only 41 years old. 501 00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:47,302 My dad had to get on a plane and go up there and take care of everything. 502 00:30:47,303 --> 00:30:49,222 And I was left at home with my brothers, 503 00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:54,059 which would kind of turn into a role for me for the next... Well, forever, really. 504 00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:55,270 But it started around then. 505 00:30:56,729 --> 00:31:00,732 I was suddenly in my early 40s with three teenage children to deal with. 506 00:31:00,733 --> 00:31:03,403 It was a very tough situation, 507 00:31:04,904 --> 00:31:06,906 sometimes very difficult to talk about. 508 00:31:10,618 --> 00:31:15,330 It was devastating. He had no experience, really, 509 00:31:15,331 --> 00:31:17,083 being very hands-on. 510 00:31:18,668 --> 00:31:21,628 I had been used to taking care of my brothers 511 00:31:21,629 --> 00:31:23,840 and I went into that role very easily. 512 00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:28,136 And we have a very special relationship, the three of us. 513 00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:32,682 And so, I didn't work for a long time. 514 00:31:33,349 --> 00:31:37,979 I just didn't want to deal with films and stories and characters and so on. 515 00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:42,358 Right after she died, he actually wrote a violin concerto for her. 516 00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:50,073 Her father was a violinist. She loved the violin. 517 00:31:50,074 --> 00:31:52,492 She always wanted me to write something for her. 518 00:31:52,493 --> 00:31:54,787 Of course, I never did until she passed. 519 00:31:58,499 --> 00:31:59,750 Prior to my mom's death, 520 00:31:59,751 --> 00:32:03,378 it may be that my father, although a brilliant composer, 521 00:32:03,379 --> 00:32:05,088 was more of a journeyman. 522 00:32:05,089 --> 00:32:08,634 But then after she died, there was some kind of feeling that he had, 523 00:32:08,635 --> 00:32:09,969 that she was by his side. 524 00:32:13,514 --> 00:32:15,558 I felt like she was helping me, 525 00:32:16,225 --> 00:32:18,645 which is a funny kind of feeling that I had. 526 00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:20,855 And I still have it. 527 00:32:21,981 --> 00:32:27,319 And I think in some way, I grew up artistically or gained some kind of energy 528 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,698 or penetrated what I was doing a little more deeply. 529 00:32:32,659 --> 00:32:36,453 The busiest, most successful period of my life in film 530 00:32:36,454 --> 00:32:38,623 started immediately thereafter 531 00:32:40,249 --> 00:32:43,044 when I was asked to do a film called Star Wars. 532 00:32:46,547 --> 00:32:49,967 At the same time, I was asked to do a film called Bridge Too Far. 533 00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,886 {\an8}I said to Lionel Newman, the music director, 534 00:32:52,887 --> 00:32:55,430 {\an8}"I think I'd rather do A Bridge Too Far, 535 00:32:55,431 --> 00:32:57,224 because it has all the movie stars in it 536 00:32:57,225 --> 00:33:01,728 and it seems like I don't know anything about George Lucas or his film Star Wars." 537 00:33:01,729 --> 00:33:05,023 I said, "I'm looking for somebody that can do classical music." 538 00:33:05,024 --> 00:33:09,653 {\an8}The old Korngold, Newman, old fashioned scores for films 539 00:33:09,654 --> 00:33:11,196 {\an8}during the '30s and '40s. 540 00:33:11,197 --> 00:33:14,157 And Steven said, "I got just the guy for you, John Williams." 541 00:33:14,158 --> 00:33:16,493 I said, "Well, isn't he a jazz pianist?" 542 00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:19,038 And he said, "No, no, he does great scores." 543 00:33:20,373 --> 00:33:23,000 So Steven, of course, who I've just done Jaws with, 544 00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:25,043 said, "You need to meet this guy, George Lucas," 545 00:33:25,044 --> 00:33:26,628 who I'd never heard of. 546 00:33:26,629 --> 00:33:29,631 I didn't know American Graffiti. My fault, not his. 547 00:33:29,632 --> 00:33:33,427 So I met George and we talked about music a little bit. 548 00:33:33,428 --> 00:33:34,929 He's very young to me. 549 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,514 We hit it off right away. 550 00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:39,766 He's a gentleman and an easy guy to get along with. 551 00:33:39,767 --> 00:33:42,853 And he was also extremely knowledgeable about music. 552 00:33:42,854 --> 00:33:45,940 And he was extremely knowledgeable about symphonic scores. 553 00:33:47,191 --> 00:33:49,443 I talked to Steven the next day and he said, 554 00:33:49,444 --> 00:33:50,902 "John, you should do Star Wars. 555 00:33:50,903 --> 00:33:53,447 Do Star Wars, that's the thing you should... really have some fun with it. 556 00:33:53,448 --> 00:33:57,159 Don't worry about A Bridge Too Far. That's just commercial. 557 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,620 This is going to be something really good." I said, "Okay." 558 00:34:01,205 --> 00:34:03,291 So he convinced me to do it. 559 00:34:04,083 --> 00:34:05,460 But it didn't take much pushing. 560 00:34:10,173 --> 00:34:14,843 I think the whole project was imbued with a sense of something very special. 561 00:34:14,844 --> 00:34:17,722 I think everybody knew that George was doing something 562 00:34:18,514 --> 00:34:22,809 a little kooky, a little off-kilter. It was like nothing else we really had. 563 00:34:22,810 --> 00:34:26,229 We've had space films before, but nothing had 564 00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:29,901 quite the imagination and the spark that this had. 565 00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:36,364 {\an8}We worked for several days going through the film 566 00:34:36,365 --> 00:34:39,117 {\an8}and deciding where to introduce the music, where to take it out, 567 00:34:39,118 --> 00:34:44,290 {\an8}or talk about the temp cue that we used, like The Planets by Gustav Holst, 568 00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:48,251 {\an8}the final movement of Dvorák's New World Symphony. 569 00:34:48,252 --> 00:34:53,216 {\an8}Bits of music from The Rite of Spring and Max Steiner's score to King Kong. 570 00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:56,468 Sometimes John, he endorsed our choices 571 00:34:56,469 --> 00:35:00,014 and sometimes he had an idea that improved the idea. 572 00:35:01,474 --> 00:35:04,684 You do what you have to do to put the pieces of a puzzle together 573 00:35:04,685 --> 00:35:06,186 and that's what it was like. 574 00:35:06,187 --> 00:35:08,146 {\an8}We had talked about Peter and the Wolf 575 00:35:08,147 --> 00:35:11,191 {\an8}and some of those older symphonic pieces, 576 00:35:11,192 --> 00:35:14,986 'cause I wanted to have each character have their own theme. 577 00:35:14,987 --> 00:35:19,200 So that when we go from one character to another, the theme goes with you. 578 00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:29,292 The sketches in the scores for Star Wars 579 00:35:29,293 --> 00:35:32,712 are the most disjointed things you could imagine 580 00:35:32,713 --> 00:35:34,756 because there were so many changes. 581 00:35:34,757 --> 00:35:36,299 This was a minute and a half. 582 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,385 The next day, it was a minute and 45 seconds. 583 00:35:38,386 --> 00:35:40,095 The next day it was out of the film. 584 00:35:40,096 --> 00:35:42,764 And the late Ken Wannberg, who was my music editor, 585 00:35:42,765 --> 00:35:45,643 {\an8}drove me crazy with changes everyday. 586 00:35:46,435 --> 00:35:49,271 {\an8}Kenny called up in a panic. 587 00:35:49,272 --> 00:35:50,897 He said... 588 00:35:50,898 --> 00:35:54,067 "You can't... There are a million changes." I said, "Yes, I know." 589 00:35:54,068 --> 00:35:57,071 And he said, "John's written all this music already." I said, "I know." 590 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,407 I worked for quite a number of weeks, 591 00:36:00,408 --> 00:36:04,161 never knowing what to do for the beginning of the film. 592 00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:07,289 I think the very last thing I wrote was the opening fanfare 593 00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:09,709 and the brass march theme. 594 00:36:11,335 --> 00:36:13,587 First time I heard parts of it was, 595 00:36:13,588 --> 00:36:15,548 Johnny played it for me on the piano. 596 00:36:16,132 --> 00:36:17,591 Which is... pfft. 597 00:36:17,592 --> 00:36:23,096 You know, all it is, is, uh, a rough piano rendition of the themes. 598 00:36:23,097 --> 00:36:28,101 And so you have to say, "Well, I guess I don't know, but it sounds good to me." 599 00:36:28,102 --> 00:36:30,979 But it's not... Doesn't have any of the energy or the emotion 600 00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:33,300 or anything that when you have a full orchestra playing it. 601 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:36,985 We decided that we needed to have a symphony orchestra to do this, 602 00:36:36,986 --> 00:36:39,070 which I never had before in a film. 603 00:36:39,071 --> 00:36:42,575 And Lionel Newman said that we'll hire the London Symphony Orchestra. 604 00:36:43,242 --> 00:36:47,787 What a turn-on. What a blast. What an exciting turn of events. 605 00:36:47,788 --> 00:36:49,289 We would go over to London, 606 00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:53,168 hire this world-class orchestra to realize my score and perform it. 607 00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:55,545 157. 608 00:36:55,546 --> 00:36:57,506 Standby, please. Gentlemen, here we go. 609 00:36:58,799 --> 00:37:01,177 It's hard to describe unless you've been through it. 610 00:37:01,928 --> 00:37:04,137 All right, here it is, gents. Settle down. 611 00:37:04,138 --> 00:37:08,059 But it's, uh... It's sort of like having a baby. 612 00:37:09,143 --> 00:37:12,939 That is the only way I can really describe hearing the score for the first time. 613 00:37:13,564 --> 00:37:16,066 And for me, I hadn't heard it with an orchestra or anything. 614 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:18,903 And I hadn't heard it with the picture. 615 00:37:19,654 --> 00:37:21,489 You know, I trusted John, I trusted Steven, 616 00:37:22,323 --> 00:37:25,701 but there's always that moment where they play the first cue... 617 00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:30,164 and you're terrified it's not gonna work. 618 00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:52,936 {\an8}I was like a lot of people who really got blasted by him in the first ten seconds. 619 00:37:52,937 --> 00:37:55,231 And then you're wondering, "Well, who is this?" 620 00:37:56,148 --> 00:37:59,651 That's part of the audaciousness of the original Star Wars score. 621 00:37:59,652 --> 00:38:02,779 {\an8}That loud anthem opening. 622 00:38:02,780 --> 00:38:06,908 {\an8}The most famous opening probably in movie history and music 623 00:38:06,909 --> 00:38:10,036 is a tribute to the power of orchestra. 624 00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:22,299 Nobody had any idea that it would be the kind of, 625 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,301 beyond a hit, it was a phenomenon. 626 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:25,761 It's become... It's still with us. 627 00:38:26,512 --> 00:38:28,805 When the time came to make the soundtrack album, 628 00:38:28,806 --> 00:38:32,893 the record company said, "We have so much music, let's have a double disc." 629 00:38:35,229 --> 00:38:37,689 That recording was enormously popular with people, 630 00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:41,693 many of whom probably never bought a soundtrack album before 631 00:38:41,694 --> 00:38:46,031 or gone to a concert and heard music from a symphony orchestra before. 632 00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:49,075 Back in the day, you couldn't rewatch a movie whenever you wanted. 633 00:38:49,076 --> 00:38:50,785 So, I remember as a kid, 634 00:38:50,786 --> 00:38:53,621 I would put on the soundtracks and stare at the album cover 635 00:38:53,622 --> 00:38:56,834 and just listen to the scores and play the movie in my head. 636 00:39:01,964 --> 00:39:04,174 Star Wars was the double album. 637 00:39:04,175 --> 00:39:10,139 I would listen to the album and just stare at the logo of the Star Wars album cover. 638 00:39:10,765 --> 00:39:15,978 The feeling was that it was so important, so epic in scope and scale 639 00:39:17,813 --> 00:39:20,358 that it transports you to a different place. 640 00:39:37,291 --> 00:39:42,545 {\an8}I can't really think of anything in film music that's been like Star Wars. 641 00:39:42,546 --> 00:39:46,675 Talk about leitmotifs and the way he uses them. 642 00:39:48,594 --> 00:39:51,472 Leitmotifs just means, basically, themes. 643 00:40:07,113 --> 00:40:12,034 In Star Wars universe, just John composed, like, 80 or 90 themes or something. 644 00:40:13,869 --> 00:40:16,163 I like the one that we call "The Force". 645 00:40:21,961 --> 00:40:26,464 When the motifs come back, they remind you of who you were 40 years before, 646 00:40:26,465 --> 00:40:28,883 not just who the characters were in the previous movies. 647 00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:37,934 So it really gets under the skin in the most amazing way. 648 00:40:37,935 --> 00:40:43,482 And it all works because he found such a memorable group of themes to work with. 649 00:40:44,650 --> 00:40:46,484 Every once in a while there'd be a cue and I'd say, 650 00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:48,165 "Well, that's not what I had in mind here." 651 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,248 I said, "I really want it to be more like this." 652 00:41:00,249 --> 00:41:01,916 And he would say, "Okay. 653 00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:05,337 I'm gonna write this tonight and I'll come back tomorrow with it." 654 00:41:06,505 --> 00:41:09,382 I've been with a few composers who just simply said, 655 00:41:09,383 --> 00:41:10,800 "Well, that's not what I want." 656 00:41:10,801 --> 00:41:12,677 They sort of insist it be their way. 657 00:41:12,678 --> 00:41:14,472 And then you would bump heads. 658 00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:17,683 I never bumped heads with Johnny. 659 00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:20,311 {\an8}He was a prince the whole time. 660 00:41:26,817 --> 00:41:30,654 I truly believe that the soundtrack is half of the movie. 661 00:41:31,447 --> 00:41:34,783 Star Wars basically would not be Star Wars without Johnny Williams' music. 662 00:41:35,618 --> 00:41:37,577 People would come into my office and say, 663 00:41:37,578 --> 00:41:40,497 {\an8}"Did you know that there are crowds around the block seeing Star Wars?" 664 00:41:40,498 --> 00:41:42,665 {\an8}I said, "That's wonderful. I'm glad to hear it." 665 00:41:42,666 --> 00:41:45,126 I didn't experience that at all. 666 00:41:45,127 --> 00:41:47,962 I was so completely occupied with what was in front of me. 667 00:41:47,963 --> 00:41:49,839 The minute we finished Star Wars, 668 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,968 {\an8}I started working on Close Encounters of the Third Kind. 669 00:42:00,142 --> 00:42:05,021 Okay. That's just fine. Orchestra downbeat of seven tenuto. 670 00:42:05,022 --> 00:42:08,441 Six will be... 671 00:42:08,442 --> 00:42:10,109 You got two notes for Jaws. 672 00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:12,362 But then you got five notes for Close Encounters. 673 00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:14,489 Well, we were making progress. We were... 674 00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:16,950 So by the time we did Raiders, there were like a hundred notes. 675 00:42:16,951 --> 00:42:18,284 Yes, that's right. 676 00:42:18,285 --> 00:42:22,288 Actually, Close Encounters was an opera. It was a beautiful opera. 677 00:42:22,289 --> 00:42:25,750 What I was thinking when I played, first played it for you, I thought, 678 00:42:25,751 --> 00:42:27,627 "This is the end of our relationship." 679 00:42:27,628 --> 00:42:29,046 Oh, no! 680 00:42:54,905 --> 00:42:57,282 Close Encounters. Everything is in that score. 681 00:42:57,283 --> 00:43:03,289 The whole spectrum of 20th century music from very avant-garde, very dissonant... 682 00:43:08,168 --> 00:43:10,587 and very extreme sounds. 683 00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:12,464 {\an8}One, two, three... 684 00:43:21,932 --> 00:43:26,728 To the most basic, memorable five note theme, 685 00:43:26,729 --> 00:43:28,479 uh, that is heard over and over again. 686 00:43:36,905 --> 00:43:41,159 Oh, this is... This could be interesting to you. 687 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,995 Each one of these is five notes, I believe. 688 00:43:43,996 --> 00:43:46,205 Here's a whole group of them. 689 00:43:46,206 --> 00:43:47,625 Some marked. 690 00:43:48,208 --> 00:43:50,001 This is the one we use. 691 00:43:50,002 --> 00:43:52,754 Right here. 692 00:43:52,755 --> 00:43:58,551 And Steven and I just circled it, having gone through all these trial runs. 693 00:43:58,552 --> 00:44:00,304 I mean, five notes could be... 694 00:44:02,473 --> 00:44:04,600 very nice. 695 00:44:06,393 --> 00:44:09,021 Anything. But why this? 696 00:44:17,905 --> 00:44:21,115 There is, I think, something spiritual about that. 697 00:44:21,116 --> 00:44:22,409 If this were... 698 00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:28,373 it's finished, okay? 699 00:44:28,374 --> 00:44:29,750 It's a sentence, a period. 700 00:44:30,376 --> 00:44:31,543 If I do this... 701 00:44:34,254 --> 00:44:37,423 That is like a conjunctive sentence or a phrase 702 00:44:37,424 --> 00:44:40,968 that ends with and, if, or but. 703 00:44:40,969 --> 00:44:43,388 So it's, "This is a nice movie and..." 704 00:44:43,389 --> 00:44:44,514 That's the "and". 705 00:44:44,515 --> 00:44:47,141 Because... Because the note in music, there are two of them. 706 00:44:47,142 --> 00:44:51,604 This is the fifth of that always goes "sol, do", as every child knows. 707 00:44:51,605 --> 00:44:54,065 And the other one is this one, "ti, do". 708 00:44:54,066 --> 00:44:58,070 So those are the two things that make... If I stop a phrase there. 709 00:44:58,946 --> 00:45:01,322 You have to wait for that, don't you? 710 00:45:01,323 --> 00:45:05,535 It's creating an expectation with the fifth degree of the scale. 711 00:45:05,536 --> 00:45:09,415 Which in that context is like "but". 712 00:45:10,457 --> 00:45:12,542 "I love Laurent, but..." 713 00:45:12,543 --> 00:45:14,752 You know? 714 00:45:14,753 --> 00:45:16,754 But he's asked me too many questions. 715 00:45:16,755 --> 00:45:18,339 He asked me endless questions. 716 00:45:18,340 --> 00:45:20,259 Are you happy it fixed, John? 717 00:45:20,968 --> 00:45:23,804 I hope so, but there's still something wrong with bar 35. 718 00:45:24,304 --> 00:45:26,305 There's that. 719 00:45:26,306 --> 00:45:29,350 What was the hardest thing you've ever had to write, you think? 720 00:45:29,351 --> 00:45:32,812 Oh, I think the last section of Close Encounters. 721 00:45:32,813 --> 00:45:35,773 All of the lights, and, you know, how to do that exactly. 722 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,080 Wow. 723 00:45:51,081 --> 00:45:55,835 {\an8}So this is the original Close Encounters material out of the deep Sony archive. 724 00:45:55,836 --> 00:45:57,253 Look at some of this here. 725 00:45:57,254 --> 00:45:59,839 - Oh, my God. Look at all... - Yeah. 726 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,925 Geez. 727 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,095 Oh, my goodness. 728 00:46:06,638 --> 00:46:09,390 I remember calling my father one day when I started to work on that, 729 00:46:09,391 --> 00:46:12,226 and I said to him, "Dad, I don't... I haven't got a note in me. 730 00:46:12,227 --> 00:46:15,021 I don't know what to do with this picture." I just had done Star Wars. 731 00:46:15,022 --> 00:46:16,898 It was... million notes. 732 00:46:16,899 --> 00:46:19,066 And he just said as any good father would say, 733 00:46:19,067 --> 00:46:20,902 "Well, just keep working on it, you'll be fine. 734 00:46:20,903 --> 00:46:23,404 - What are you doing for dinner?" - Right. 735 00:46:23,405 --> 00:46:25,406 And it was certainly a great challenge. 736 00:46:25,407 --> 00:46:28,493 It was a leap up orchestrally and conducting 737 00:46:28,494 --> 00:46:29,995 and every other way for me. 738 00:46:31,955 --> 00:46:35,250 So, that is Close Encounters. 739 00:46:37,544 --> 00:46:39,086 {\an8}John, in one year, 740 00:46:39,087 --> 00:46:42,507 {\an8}turned out the scores to Star Wars, Close Encounters, 741 00:46:42,508 --> 00:46:44,133 {\an8}and a picture called Black Sunday. 742 00:46:44,134 --> 00:46:47,178 Each of those scores is tremendously complicated 743 00:46:47,179 --> 00:46:48,679 and brilliant in their own way. 744 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,432 And very different one from the other. 745 00:46:51,016 --> 00:46:54,477 It's really an extraordinary thing to think that one composer 746 00:46:54,478 --> 00:46:56,604 would deliver all that in the space of one year. 747 00:46:56,605 --> 00:46:59,065 It's a little bit like when you're talking about The Beatles. 748 00:46:59,066 --> 00:47:03,319 Like, any one song from The Beatles would be any other band's greatest thing 749 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,822 and they would live off that forever. John is like that. 750 00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:08,324 Any one of his scores arguably 751 00:47:08,325 --> 00:47:11,411 would be any other composer's accomplishment of a lifetime. 752 00:47:17,751 --> 00:47:22,255 People ask me how my life was changed by the sudden success of Star Wars, 753 00:47:22,256 --> 00:47:24,549 and I have to say that I received a call saying, 754 00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:29,720 "You have to come to the Anaheim Stadium which has 60,000 people or more there. 755 00:47:29,721 --> 00:47:34,058 And Zubin Mehta is going to do a concert of your music, Star Wars music, 756 00:47:34,059 --> 00:47:37,103 with the Los Angeles Philharmonic at the stadium." 757 00:47:37,104 --> 00:47:38,312 A short time after that, 758 00:47:38,313 --> 00:47:40,439 the management of the Los Angeles Philharmonic says, 759 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,777 "We want you to come and conduct at the Hollywood Bowl Star Wars music." 760 00:47:44,361 --> 00:47:47,572 {\an8}So the biggest change in my life that was the result of Star Wars 761 00:47:47,573 --> 00:47:50,408 {\an8}was I was suddenly asked to be a guest conductor, 762 00:47:50,409 --> 00:47:52,618 here and there with famous orchestras. 763 00:47:52,619 --> 00:47:56,790 And it gave birth to a whole other dimension in my musical life. 764 00:47:59,793 --> 00:48:02,003 Ladies and gentlemen. 765 00:48:02,004 --> 00:48:03,505 Good afternoon, everyone. 766 00:48:04,047 --> 00:48:06,424 This is our new Pops. 767 00:48:06,425 --> 00:48:10,761 {\an8}Seiji Ozawa was the music director of the Boston Symphony for 29 years. 768 00:48:10,762 --> 00:48:15,975 {\an8}And he was the one that appointed me conductor of the Pops in 1980. 769 00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:21,439 {\an8}The Boston Pops is moving from The Stars and Stripes Forever to Star Wars. 770 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,815 {\an8}The orchestra announced today 771 00:48:22,816 --> 00:48:26,152 that 47-year-old composer-conductor John Williams, 772 00:48:26,153 --> 00:48:28,237 who wrote the theme for Star Wars, 773 00:48:28,238 --> 00:48:31,324 will replace the late Arthur Fiedler as conductor of the Pops. 774 00:48:31,325 --> 00:48:34,619 It was Lionel who really encouraged him to conduct with the Pops. 775 00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:36,871 And maybe it was because John always wanted to conduct 776 00:48:36,872 --> 00:48:39,708 and being somewhat shy, probably needed a push. 777 00:48:41,293 --> 00:48:44,837 {\an8}I'm sure a lot of people ask who could possibly follow Arthur Fiedler, 778 00:48:44,838 --> 00:48:49,175 who was such an incredible presence in everybody's mind with... with this music. 779 00:48:49,176 --> 00:48:51,636 But I don't think it was always an easy go. 780 00:48:51,637 --> 00:48:56,975 I think Boston musicians were critical of entertainment music or wary of it. 781 00:48:57,684 --> 00:48:59,810 The orchestras hated playing film music. 782 00:48:59,811 --> 00:49:01,229 They just thought it was crap. 783 00:49:02,397 --> 00:49:05,608 In my experience, when I went to Boston in 1980, 784 00:49:05,609 --> 00:49:08,361 there was an overlap of older memberships in the orchestra 785 00:49:08,362 --> 00:49:12,114 that still had that lack of appreciation and resistance 786 00:49:12,115 --> 00:49:15,576 to that kind of repertoire where they were very disapproving. 787 00:49:15,577 --> 00:49:17,996 To the extent that I thought that that was unprofessional. 788 00:49:18,705 --> 00:49:22,333 {\an8}A long simmering dispute over the behavior of the Boston Pops Orchestra 789 00:49:22,334 --> 00:49:24,168 broke into public view today 790 00:49:24,169 --> 00:49:27,130 with the announcement of conductor John Williams' resignation. 791 00:49:27,923 --> 00:49:29,674 The final straw, according to observers, 792 00:49:29,675 --> 00:49:33,010 was the orchestra's unruly behavior during a rehearsal yesterday. 793 00:49:33,011 --> 00:49:36,639 Players reportedly hissed at Williams' musical selections 794 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,183 and didn't pay attention during the run-through. 795 00:49:39,184 --> 00:49:41,727 BSO general manager Thomas Morris said today 796 00:49:41,728 --> 00:49:44,940 he accepted Williams' resignation with deep regret. 797 00:49:46,274 --> 00:49:49,485 The episode, where I had a resignation at one point, 798 00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:51,112 was the result of conversations with them 799 00:49:51,113 --> 00:49:55,075 about their attitudes and about their manner of expressing it. 800 00:49:55,617 --> 00:49:58,996 I think film music was looked at by... certainly by concert musicians 801 00:49:59,913 --> 00:50:00,913 as a bastard art. 802 00:50:00,914 --> 00:50:02,373 As a low art. 803 00:50:02,374 --> 00:50:08,379 {\an8}Growing up I was always troubled with why there are so many walls 804 00:50:08,380 --> 00:50:11,632 between the different parts of music. 805 00:50:11,633 --> 00:50:17,013 Whether it's film music, concert music, or baroque music or contemporary music. 806 00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:22,894 But John has made it his business to actually encompass all of that. 807 00:50:24,104 --> 00:50:29,400 He has, if not erased that dividing line, 808 00:50:29,401 --> 00:50:32,403 he has made it so blurry, 809 00:50:32,404 --> 00:50:34,989 I don't think anyone knows where it is anymore. 810 00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:36,490 It goes back to Duke Ellington, 811 00:50:36,491 --> 00:50:40,244 who said, "There's only two types of music, good music and bad music." 812 00:50:40,245 --> 00:50:45,250 And I think John has been a... a leading light in that happening. 813 00:50:46,835 --> 00:50:50,421 I think certainly a seated orchestra that are tenured correctly 814 00:50:50,422 --> 00:50:52,716 have a voice in the repertoire that they play. 815 00:50:53,383 --> 00:50:56,802 But also should not resist, to a certain extent, 816 00:50:56,803 --> 00:51:00,891 the creative ideas that a new or different conductor might want to bring to them. 817 00:51:01,892 --> 00:51:03,893 An orchestra is a human family. 818 00:51:03,894 --> 00:51:06,772 It's a community effort. 819 00:51:07,397 --> 00:51:09,857 {\an8}The search for a new Boston Pops conductor is over 820 00:51:09,858 --> 00:51:12,736 {\an8}now that John Williams agrees to come back to the job. 821 00:51:13,779 --> 00:51:17,031 Williams resigned, citing artistic and creative differences. 822 00:51:17,032 --> 00:51:18,825 But apparently, they have been resolved. 823 00:51:19,659 --> 00:51:23,037 Williams said, "I've only the greatest admiration and genuine affection 824 00:51:23,038 --> 00:51:25,290 for the orchestra and its members." 825 00:51:28,877 --> 00:51:34,048 Going from Hollywood studios to Boston was very, very satisfying 826 00:51:34,049 --> 00:51:37,593 in the sense that in Hollywood there's no audiences of film 827 00:51:37,594 --> 00:51:41,348 when we're working in a clinical studio setup, if you'd like. 828 00:51:43,266 --> 00:51:46,519 Whereas going to Boston Pops there's an orchestra, there's an audience. 829 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:47,978 The music is brought to life. 830 00:51:47,979 --> 00:51:49,396 People applaud. 831 00:51:49,397 --> 00:51:52,775 And for the wounded ego of a Hollywood composer 832 00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:55,236 who never sees an audience to get some applause, 833 00:51:55,237 --> 00:51:58,781 it's lovely to go to Boston and have a marvelous audience there. 834 00:51:59,991 --> 00:52:03,327 Most of the rest of the classical world has come around to the idea that, 835 00:52:03,328 --> 00:52:06,914 yes, this is a brilliant and original composer. 836 00:52:06,915 --> 00:52:09,834 Someone who has also done an incredible service 837 00:52:09,835 --> 00:52:12,629 in terms of supporting orchestras. 838 00:52:13,255 --> 00:52:16,841 And anyone who looks down on film music now at this stage of history 839 00:52:16,842 --> 00:52:19,678 I think is just not thinking seriously. 840 00:52:26,184 --> 00:52:31,148 When I was a little boy, Superman cartoon was very popular in the newspapers 841 00:52:32,065 --> 00:52:33,817 and I used to read it all the time. 842 00:52:38,572 --> 00:52:42,158 So, the idea of writing that theme with the cape and all the things, 843 00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:43,869 I loved doing that. 844 00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:45,954 What the hell is that? 845 00:52:47,747 --> 00:52:49,790 Easy, miss. I've got you. 846 00:52:49,791 --> 00:52:51,667 You've got me? 847 00:52:51,668 --> 00:52:53,002 Who's got you? 848 00:52:53,003 --> 00:52:55,171 I love Chris and Margot. 849 00:52:55,172 --> 00:52:56,881 They flew together. That love scene. 850 00:52:56,882 --> 00:52:59,258 I mean, I couldn't wait to get my hands on that 851 00:52:59,259 --> 00:53:02,971 and make a... an ascending thematic piece. 852 00:53:10,937 --> 00:53:14,440 {\an8}I owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to John Williams. 853 00:53:14,441 --> 00:53:18,652 {\an8}Without his music, Superman's powers are greatly diminished. 854 00:53:20,197 --> 00:53:23,782 Believe me, if you try to fly without that theme... 855 00:53:23,783 --> 00:53:25,367 you go nowhere. 856 00:53:25,368 --> 00:53:27,787 One step, two steps, and... down. 857 00:53:32,584 --> 00:53:36,504 {\an8}There's a lyricism to Johnny's music. 858 00:53:38,173 --> 00:53:44,721 {\an8}For example, he has so much fun writing themes for Harrison. 859 00:53:46,097 --> 00:53:48,807 Harrison Ford has this ability to do the most dramatic scenes 860 00:53:48,808 --> 00:53:52,102 with this slight tongue in his cheek or twinkle in his eye. 861 00:53:52,103 --> 00:53:53,520 I'm going after that truck. 862 00:53:53,521 --> 00:53:56,357 - How? - I don't know. I'm making this up as I go. 863 00:53:56,358 --> 00:53:58,984 That gives John a lot to write for. 864 00:53:58,985 --> 00:54:00,779 Hyah, hyah! 865 00:54:08,495 --> 00:54:13,791 {\an8}John Williams and I go way back, 'cause my dad and he were in the army together. 866 00:54:13,792 --> 00:54:15,292 In the army band together. 867 00:54:15,293 --> 00:54:18,128 My dad played guitar and Johnny played piano. 868 00:54:18,129 --> 00:54:20,214 And Johnny was always over at our house. 869 00:54:20,215 --> 00:54:23,175 So, I'd known John Williams since I was a kid. 870 00:54:23,176 --> 00:54:26,512 But to get to work with him on a movie, 871 00:54:26,513 --> 00:54:30,225 that was just one of the most wonderful moments of my life. 872 00:54:31,685 --> 00:54:34,395 On Raiders of the Lost Ark, Johnny did the score in London 873 00:54:34,396 --> 00:54:36,189 with the London Symphony Orchestra. 874 00:54:38,942 --> 00:54:41,194 The music was pulse pounding. 875 00:54:47,784 --> 00:54:49,452 The nuance of the score. 876 00:54:50,578 --> 00:54:53,164 The music details the smallest things. 877 00:54:53,665 --> 00:54:57,209 Johnny was scoring individual snakes during the Well of the Souls sequence. 878 00:54:57,210 --> 00:55:00,087 He was putting little decorations on different snakes that were 879 00:55:00,088 --> 00:55:04,342 making quick moves or hooding or rearing back or striking. 880 00:55:06,094 --> 00:55:09,722 He wanted something very Hollywood, very romantic for "Marion's Theme" 881 00:55:09,723 --> 00:55:13,268 because he said, "I think the music could really make them even closer." 882 00:55:14,311 --> 00:55:18,147 She wasn't there that much, except she was a central character. 883 00:55:18,148 --> 00:55:20,065 So we had to give her a cue 884 00:55:20,066 --> 00:55:23,862 that would remind you of all the things that she embodied. 885 00:55:25,530 --> 00:55:28,324 His theme for Marion was so beautiful 886 00:55:28,325 --> 00:55:31,744 and it's so evocative of those old Hollywood scores, 887 00:55:31,745 --> 00:55:37,000 like from Franz Waxman, and Miklós Rósza, and David Raksin. 888 00:55:38,543 --> 00:55:41,128 And even on the sequels, he keeps the standard themes in there 889 00:55:41,129 --> 00:55:44,549 to remind people that it's still about Indiana Jones. 890 00:55:45,842 --> 00:55:50,096 {\an8}But he finds a whole new way of telling the story musically each time. 891 00:55:53,183 --> 00:55:55,852 Duck! 892 00:55:56,436 --> 00:55:57,771 {\an8}So, we're at the Oscars, 893 00:55:59,272 --> 00:56:02,524 and John Williams was sitting right behind Steven. 894 00:56:02,525 --> 00:56:04,360 And I saw John and I freaked out 895 00:56:04,361 --> 00:56:07,196 'cause I haven't seen him, you know, since Temple of Doom. 896 00:56:07,197 --> 00:56:09,406 So I gave him a hug and Steven was so excited. 897 00:56:09,407 --> 00:56:13,202 He says, "Ke, do you remember that you have a Short Round theme?" 898 00:56:13,203 --> 00:56:16,163 And I said, "Of course I do." I mean, how many actors can say that 899 00:56:16,164 --> 00:56:20,502 they have a theme composed by the legendary John Williams? 900 00:56:27,926 --> 00:56:32,679 And then we both started humming, simultaneously, that theme. 901 00:56:37,268 --> 00:56:39,020 It's great. It's such a great theme. 902 00:56:42,816 --> 00:56:46,193 The greatest way to demonstrate how much energy and emotion 903 00:56:46,194 --> 00:56:50,406 John's scores can give a sequence, play it absolutely with no music at all. 904 00:56:50,407 --> 00:56:51,991 Just sound effects and dialogue. 905 00:56:54,494 --> 00:56:57,788 And then go back and do the whole scene again with all the cues. 906 00:57:08,633 --> 00:57:12,011 And you'll recognize the absolute value of film music. 907 00:57:15,265 --> 00:57:16,765 Marker. 908 00:57:16,766 --> 00:57:18,601 {\an8}This movie is a tiny epic. 909 00:57:19,144 --> 00:57:23,439 {\an8}And, uh... And I think John's score will be very suitable to that, uh, description. 910 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,775 {\an8}Okay, it would be nice if we didn't hear anything until... 911 00:57:26,776 --> 00:57:28,026 {\an8}We have to go now... 912 00:57:28,027 --> 00:57:29,528 {\an8}"We have to go now, E.T." 913 00:57:29,529 --> 00:57:30,530 Okay. 914 00:57:31,281 --> 00:57:33,782 And that's right after, "We have to go now, E.T." 915 00:57:33,783 --> 00:57:35,535 Is where it comes back in again. 916 00:57:36,244 --> 00:57:38,996 - Give me a timing for the end of the line. - Yeah. 917 00:57:38,997 --> 00:57:40,414 The deer looks up and turns. 918 00:57:40,415 --> 00:57:41,957 - And if something could... - Mm-hmm. 919 00:57:41,958 --> 00:57:43,293 Just catch the deer. 920 00:57:44,127 --> 00:57:45,544 - Maybe that harp again. - That harp again. 921 00:57:45,545 --> 00:57:47,212 - I love that harp. - Yeah. Yeah, the harp again. 922 00:57:47,213 --> 00:57:49,923 I look forward to every time John says, 923 00:57:49,924 --> 00:57:51,717 "I have sketches to play for you." 924 00:57:51,718 --> 00:57:53,927 I cannot wait for that day. 925 00:57:53,928 --> 00:57:59,558 I'm never nervous. I'm never thinking it's not going to measure up to my hopes. 926 00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:02,436 This is Michael on his bike. 927 00:58:02,437 --> 00:58:04,813 - Racing to find E.T. in the forest. - Racing to find E.T. in the forest. 928 00:58:04,814 --> 00:58:08,150 - Elliot's come home alone. - It's-It's played off of this figure. 929 00:58:10,361 --> 00:58:13,572 And we eventually get into this key with this one. 930 00:58:24,250 --> 00:58:27,211 There is a consistency in our collaboration 931 00:58:27,212 --> 00:58:32,007 where he always sees the film in the same way, 932 00:58:32,008 --> 00:58:35,010 but in a way, after he does music for my movie, 933 00:58:35,011 --> 00:58:37,804 I start to see my movie in his way. 934 00:58:37,805 --> 00:58:40,850 {\an8}I see my movie the way he sees my film. 935 00:58:46,606 --> 00:58:50,067 Home. Home. Home. 936 00:58:50,068 --> 00:58:52,737 Home. Home. Home. 937 00:58:53,988 --> 00:58:57,157 "Yoda's Theme" is a... is a sweet surprise. It is. 938 00:58:57,158 --> 00:58:58,951 Is anybody gonna get it? 939 00:58:58,952 --> 00:59:00,160 About 200 million people. 940 00:59:00,161 --> 00:59:01,579 Really? 941 00:59:06,125 --> 00:59:07,960 One twenty-five. 942 00:59:07,961 --> 00:59:11,213 Oboes and instruments that play... 943 00:59:11,214 --> 00:59:13,757 Accent two and three please. 944 00:59:13,758 --> 00:59:15,343 So we have more rhythm. 945 00:59:15,843 --> 00:59:17,636 Try to concentrate. 946 00:59:17,637 --> 00:59:20,639 Don't be... Try not to be disturbed by Steven's... 947 00:59:22,183 --> 00:59:23,183 filming. 948 00:59:27,689 --> 00:59:29,565 No, it's just weird. 949 00:59:29,566 --> 00:59:32,609 It's like having a camera in your bathroom. 950 00:59:32,610 --> 00:59:37,282 You know, when you're taking a shower, you know? 951 00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:40,535 I'm glad I'm dressed. 952 00:59:41,327 --> 00:59:42,579 Beginning please with mutes. 953 00:59:50,169 --> 00:59:54,674 I played violin on E.T., and I'm just hiding out in the back of the violins. 954 00:59:55,508 --> 01:00:00,095 So I'm sitting in the back playing, but I'm listening and watching, 955 01:00:00,096 --> 01:00:03,474 which was, I cannot tell you how thrilling that was. 956 01:00:06,728 --> 01:00:09,730 There is an extended harp melody in E.T. 957 01:00:09,731 --> 01:00:12,900 that is indicative of E.T.'s connection with Elliot. 958 01:00:17,739 --> 01:00:22,410 The harpist's name was Dorothy Remsen, and I remember John working with her. 959 01:00:26,331 --> 01:00:30,710 Dorothy, in the trill beat... 960 01:00:31,836 --> 01:00:33,795 Can you... Can you finish the trill that way? 961 01:00:33,796 --> 01:00:36,341 You know what I mean? 962 01:00:36,924 --> 01:00:39,426 If I can leave out the trill in the left hand. 963 01:00:39,427 --> 01:00:40,510 - Sure. - All right. 964 01:00:40,511 --> 01:00:43,805 And there was a great session pianist player named Ralph Grierson, 965 01:00:43,806 --> 01:00:46,601 - who John used all the time. - To the left, Ralph. 966 01:00:48,186 --> 01:00:50,354 Second to last measure, two quarter notes. 967 01:00:52,565 --> 01:00:57,319 And the end title for E.T. is this big flowing thing. 968 01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,529 And he gave Ralph this 969 01:00:59,530 --> 01:01:02,742 and he let him practice it for four days before he played it. 970 01:01:13,753 --> 01:01:18,883 E.T., I think, was the first movie I ever saw in the cinema, in the movie theater. 971 01:01:19,676 --> 01:01:21,468 I'm from a band called Coldplay. 972 01:01:21,469 --> 01:01:24,805 And on our tour at the moment, we are coming on stage 973 01:01:24,806 --> 01:01:29,477 or in fact, through the audience to the stage, to the sound of E.T. 974 01:01:34,774 --> 01:01:37,859 For me, going on stage for a concert, 975 01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:40,404 I wanted something that had the feeling of flight. 976 01:01:40,405 --> 01:01:43,865 And so I was thinking about Elliot riding his BMX. 977 01:01:43,866 --> 01:01:47,828 So I wrote to John and Steven to ask if we could use E.T. 978 01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:49,413 And they said yes. 979 01:01:50,581 --> 01:01:54,251 It just makes me feel, uh, excited. 980 01:01:54,252 --> 01:01:58,296 That's also 'cause I've come on stage to it many times now. 981 01:01:58,297 --> 01:02:03,009 Every piece that he does, to me, has a sort of whole family of melodies. 982 01:02:03,010 --> 01:02:05,471 Okay, here we come. Back to the main theme. Here we go. 983 01:02:15,398 --> 01:02:16,398 Perfect. 984 01:02:40,715 --> 01:02:42,300 {\an8}This is Tanglewood. 985 01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:46,345 Tanglewood is many things. 986 01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:49,348 It's an educational institution. 987 01:02:50,558 --> 01:02:54,352 It offers a unique opportunity to the best students to come. 988 01:02:54,353 --> 01:02:57,523 It's a concert venue for the Boston Symphony. 989 01:02:59,275 --> 01:03:01,110 And it's an inspiring landscape. 990 01:03:03,488 --> 01:03:08,034 In the whole history of American musical life, this is Mecca. 991 01:03:08,951 --> 01:03:11,995 This is where the best students come to study. 992 01:03:11,996 --> 01:03:15,374 They are able to perform with the greatest conductors who come and visit. 993 01:03:20,546 --> 01:03:23,089 The schedules of film had been good. 994 01:03:23,090 --> 01:03:26,510 Because we usually just work in a very busy part of the year in the spring. 995 01:03:26,511 --> 01:03:27,803 And you may have a summer off, 996 01:03:27,804 --> 01:03:30,305 because of release schedules of the film. 997 01:03:30,306 --> 01:03:32,766 And suddenly there's three weeks where you're not working 998 01:03:32,767 --> 01:03:34,644 and you have time to do something. 999 01:03:35,186 --> 01:03:37,563 So that's worked out very well. 1000 01:03:39,148 --> 01:03:43,026 Every year I've been here since 1980, which is 43 years. 1001 01:03:43,027 --> 01:03:44,487 It's part of my life. 1002 01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:48,240 I come now, I do maybe two concerts a year at the most. 1003 01:03:48,241 --> 01:03:51,452 I used to do more when I was conducting the Boston Pops. 1004 01:03:53,037 --> 01:03:54,372 It's energizing. 1005 01:03:58,793 --> 01:04:01,044 John is an amazing conductor. 1006 01:04:01,045 --> 01:04:05,131 {\an8}He really connects with the soul of the orchestra 1007 01:04:05,132 --> 01:04:08,386 {\an8}because... that knowledge that he has. 1008 01:04:16,227 --> 01:04:18,979 The main theme of, uh, Jurassic Park 1009 01:04:18,980 --> 01:04:24,277 was one of the pieces that make me a musician. 1010 01:04:25,736 --> 01:04:29,574 You know, I remember I went to the theater with a friend of mine. 1011 01:04:30,324 --> 01:04:36,246 I saw, I don't remember, ten times I went to listen to them, to see the film. 1012 01:04:36,247 --> 01:04:38,039 Beautiful. It was amazing. 1013 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:39,667 But to listen to that music. 1014 01:04:40,835 --> 01:04:42,460 {\an8}I've heard so many people say this. 1015 01:04:42,461 --> 01:04:46,840 {\an8}I remember the theater, the time of day when I saw Jurassic Park. 1016 01:04:46,841 --> 01:04:48,926 And I heard those trumpets play. 1017 01:04:54,765 --> 01:04:58,143 I just remember coming out of that theater juiced. 1018 01:04:58,144 --> 01:05:00,646 Just excited to play my instrument. 1019 01:05:05,943 --> 01:05:10,155 John really wanted to put the dinosaurs where they belonged, 1020 01:05:10,156 --> 01:05:12,616 with that same kind of, sort of, 1021 01:05:12,617 --> 01:05:15,076 admiration and respect that little kids have 1022 01:05:15,077 --> 01:05:17,245 when they go through a natural history museum 1023 01:05:17,246 --> 01:05:21,875 and they see the relics of this era, of this Jurassic or later Cretaceous era. 1024 01:05:21,876 --> 01:05:24,921 And they... they're in awe of just the bones. 1025 01:05:32,136 --> 01:05:35,138 I think that John scored this movie with the heart of a child 1026 01:05:35,139 --> 01:05:39,685 that knew how to create a sense of wonder about these amazing, magnificent animals. 1027 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,442 {\an8}So many times we'd... We talk about John Williams 1028 01:05:47,443 --> 01:05:50,695 {\an8}we talk about scores that are 180s of each other. 1029 01:05:50,696 --> 01:05:53,907 And films that are 180s. So they have the year of Jurassic Park 1030 01:05:53,908 --> 01:05:56,160 and Schindler's List by the same filmmaker. 1031 01:05:56,702 --> 01:05:58,662 That is the best example of that. 1032 01:05:58,663 --> 01:06:01,791 There is a sense of wonder in that Schindler's List score, 1033 01:06:02,541 --> 01:06:06,087 but a kind of a baleful wonder, how can humanity be this? 1034 01:06:09,757 --> 01:06:12,557 I was... had been working on Schindler's List at Tanglewood, 1035 01:06:12,843 --> 01:06:14,720 I think in the summer of that year... 1036 01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:20,558 and Steven was shooting in Poland somewhere. 1037 01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:22,811 I had to have the winter to shoot in Kraków, Poland. 1038 01:06:22,812 --> 01:06:27,107 So for the first time, I missed Johnny's scoring session to Jurassic Park. 1039 01:06:27,108 --> 01:06:31,153 That's how... that's how the films overlapped so completely. 1040 01:06:32,571 --> 01:06:36,199 {\an8}The contrast in styles couldn't have been more welcome to me. 1041 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:37,284 I loved it. 1042 01:06:37,868 --> 01:06:40,746 I wasn't thinking musically when I made the film. 1043 01:06:41,455 --> 01:06:43,623 I didn't put temporary music in 1044 01:06:43,624 --> 01:06:47,335 to make suggestions to Johnny about how I felt about certain scenes. 1045 01:06:47,336 --> 01:06:49,630 I just focused on telling the story. 1046 01:06:50,172 --> 01:06:52,717 And then I showed the film to John. 1047 01:06:53,676 --> 01:06:56,137 The list is an absolute good. 1048 01:06:58,180 --> 01:07:00,641 The list is life. 1049 01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:05,729 My immediate reaction to the film was so staggering. I mean, I couldn't speak. 1050 01:07:05,730 --> 01:07:08,858 I was just too overwhelmed. I was almost, well, weeping. 1051 01:07:09,442 --> 01:07:11,985 And I went outside and walked around the building a little bit 1052 01:07:11,986 --> 01:07:14,446 and came back, and five minutes later and said to Steven, 1053 01:07:14,447 --> 01:07:17,199 attempting to start the meeting to discuss the music, 1054 01:07:18,075 --> 01:07:21,245 I said, "Steven, this a great, great film. 1055 01:07:21,746 --> 01:07:24,623 And you need a better composer than I am to do this score." 1056 01:07:25,207 --> 01:07:28,209 And he said, "I know, but they're all dead." 1057 01:07:36,927 --> 01:07:39,472 Fortunately for me and Steven's tenacity, 1058 01:07:40,347 --> 01:07:42,308 I had to stay with it and do the best I could. 1059 01:07:42,975 --> 01:07:45,852 But I truly felt that way. I thought this film is beyond 1060 01:07:45,853 --> 01:07:48,230 almost anything anyone could create 1061 01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:52,068 that would be worthy of what the film is telling us 1062 01:07:52,735 --> 01:07:55,780 and the history of what the film was revealing to us. 1063 01:07:57,573 --> 01:07:59,657 One of the greatest experiences I ever had with John, 1064 01:07:59,658 --> 01:08:02,744 and certainly the most emotional experience I've ever had with him, 1065 01:08:02,745 --> 01:08:06,248 is when he was up in the Berkshires composing Schindler's List, 1066 01:08:06,999 --> 01:08:08,666 and he asked me and Kate to come up 1067 01:08:08,667 --> 01:08:11,170 and hear the sketches on the piano for the first time. 1068 01:08:12,588 --> 01:08:14,380 {\an8}Johnny always sits down at the piano and says, 1069 01:08:14,381 --> 01:08:17,509 {\an8}"Now I don't play piano very well, so don't expect much, 1070 01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:19,636 but I'm going to try to pick this out." 1071 01:08:19,637 --> 01:08:21,555 And of course, he's a beautiful piano player. 1072 01:08:22,264 --> 01:08:25,643 And he had the music. It was handwritten up on the piano, 1073 01:08:26,268 --> 01:08:30,022 and we're standing at the piano. And he starts. 1074 01:08:45,121 --> 01:08:46,121 Yeah. 1075 01:08:47,289 --> 01:08:48,415 I'll never forget it. 1076 01:08:52,336 --> 01:08:57,550 I cannot remember a time where I was so emotionally devastated 1077 01:08:58,342 --> 01:09:04,139 by these very simple, melodic, soulful, anguished sketches 1078 01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:06,766 he was performing for Kate and I on the piano. 1079 01:09:06,767 --> 01:09:09,770 Johnny hadn't gotten five notes out where Kate began crying. 1080 01:09:10,396 --> 01:09:14,691 Nine notes later, I was crying, and then... Johnny was crying 1081 01:09:14,692 --> 01:09:16,734 and playing at the same time. 1082 01:09:16,735 --> 01:09:17,987 It was a mitzvah. 1083 01:09:18,487 --> 01:09:22,741 He had honored that story of the Shoah through music. 1084 01:09:24,118 --> 01:09:26,452 I knew Itzhak Perlman, the violinist, 1085 01:09:26,453 --> 01:09:28,496 for a couple of decades, I guess. 1086 01:09:28,497 --> 01:09:32,125 And the minute Steven and I realized we needed a violinist, I just said, 1087 01:09:32,126 --> 01:09:36,379 "We should get the best one right now that's playing is Itzhak Perlman." 1088 01:09:36,380 --> 01:09:39,841 The ironic thing was that Itzhak, for many years, 1089 01:09:39,842 --> 01:09:43,720 I would see him at concerts here and there and he would always say to me, 1090 01:09:43,721 --> 01:09:47,098 "John, when are you going to give me a film with a violin solo?" 1091 01:09:47,099 --> 01:09:50,435 I said, "I will, it'll come, Itzhak. One day we'll have it." 1092 01:09:50,436 --> 01:09:52,896 And finally, I called him up about Schindler's List. 1093 01:09:52,897 --> 01:09:56,358 I said, "Itzhak, I have a movie for you. Finally found one." 1094 01:09:56,942 --> 01:09:59,110 And I said, "Let me think about it." 1095 01:09:59,111 --> 01:10:03,781 {\an8}So, then... then I told my wife, Toby, and I said to her, 1096 01:10:03,782 --> 01:10:07,285 {\an8}"Toby, this was John Williams, and he was..." And I told her about this story. 1097 01:10:07,286 --> 01:10:09,245 And I told him that I was gonna think about it. 1098 01:10:09,246 --> 01:10:13,459 Then she said, "You told him that you were gonna think about it? 1099 01:10:14,210 --> 01:10:17,837 A film score by John Williams, a movie by Steven Spielberg, 1100 01:10:17,838 --> 01:10:21,425 and you're gonna be involved and you told them you were gonna think about it?" 1101 01:10:22,009 --> 01:10:25,762 So the next day, I think I called him up and I said, "Okay, I'll do it." 1102 01:10:25,763 --> 01:10:28,807 And boy, was I happy that-that I said "Yes." 1103 01:10:42,988 --> 01:10:46,950 All I can tell you is that I can go all over the world, 1104 01:10:46,951 --> 01:10:51,579 and the only thing that people ask specifically from me, 1105 01:10:51,580 --> 01:10:54,749 is "Can you play the theme from Schindler's List?" 1106 01:10:54,750 --> 01:10:58,504 Everybody just gets so moved by that theme. 1107 01:11:26,365 --> 01:11:29,200 {\an8}The first time that I worked with John on Far and Away, 1108 01:11:29,201 --> 01:11:31,953 {\an8}I said, "Why does music work the way it works?" 1109 01:11:31,954 --> 01:11:33,538 He said, "I don't really know." 1110 01:11:33,539 --> 01:11:36,624 He said, "There are a lot of theories and one I kinda subscribe to 1111 01:11:36,625 --> 01:11:39,043 that it gets back to primal sounds." 1112 01:11:39,044 --> 01:11:44,549 That in our origin story as human beings, sounds meant a great deal to us. 1113 01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:47,343 They could bring us peace and a sense of serenity 1114 01:11:47,344 --> 01:11:51,723 or they could alert us to danger and the need to run. 1115 01:11:51,724 --> 01:11:53,975 Percussion could be an earthquake. 1116 01:11:53,976 --> 01:11:56,270 It could be rocks tumbling down. 1117 01:11:57,187 --> 01:12:01,358 Birds could signal a sense of romance in the air. 1118 01:12:02,609 --> 01:12:06,904 And here's an artist who understands, in the most nuanced terms, 1119 01:12:06,905 --> 01:12:09,533 how to support a story through music. 1120 01:12:10,909 --> 01:12:15,080 He is the greatest champion of orchestral music in the world 1121 01:12:16,373 --> 01:12:21,045 because his scores reawaken in us the beauty of the orchestra. 1122 01:12:24,882 --> 01:12:27,884 {\an8}This is, of course, also a great gift to us musicians. 1123 01:12:27,885 --> 01:12:30,220 {\an8}That he is one of the few, 1124 01:12:31,013 --> 01:12:34,640 one of the last composers who uses a big symphonic orchestra. 1125 01:12:34,641 --> 01:12:37,810 And there is a huge difference, if you have humans play, 1126 01:12:37,811 --> 01:12:41,898 and not the synthesizer, which can make up for a group of string players. 1127 01:12:41,899 --> 01:12:45,902 But just also acknowledging the craft of the musicians, 1128 01:12:45,903 --> 01:12:50,282 and the need of that craft to be preserved for generations to come. 1129 01:12:53,952 --> 01:12:56,913 The thing that I'm really proud of is we have not, in our career, 1130 01:12:56,914 --> 01:12:58,707 gone to electronic music. 1131 01:13:00,292 --> 01:13:03,211 We value the orchestra, we value the individual players 1132 01:13:03,212 --> 01:13:04,754 and what Johnny's written for them. 1133 01:13:04,755 --> 01:13:06,506 He hasn't brought in the synthesizer. 1134 01:13:06,507 --> 01:13:10,134 There's been a couple of occasions where a synth has been an adjunct 1135 01:13:10,135 --> 01:13:13,680 {\an8}to a full orchestral score, like in Munich, for instance. 1136 01:13:18,977 --> 01:13:20,770 So many filmmakers and so many contemporaries of mine 1137 01:13:20,771 --> 01:13:22,147 have gone all electronics. 1138 01:13:23,690 --> 01:13:26,443 But I love that, that we're staying true to orchestras. 1139 01:13:27,027 --> 01:13:30,696 The electronic compilation of things doesn't have a moment, 1140 01:13:30,697 --> 01:13:32,782 a performance moment of creativity. 1141 01:13:32,783 --> 01:13:36,328 But in an orchestra, we make four takes of every scene. 1142 01:13:37,454 --> 01:13:39,997 Each one is different. Every performance is different. 1143 01:13:39,998 --> 01:13:44,670 And that particular take has some life or some blood in its veins. 1144 01:13:48,340 --> 01:13:52,468 He is forcing the modern audience to contend with the orchestra. 1145 01:13:52,469 --> 01:13:56,764 Because he is making those instrumentalists play faster, 1146 01:13:56,765 --> 01:13:59,684 harder, quicker, more dynamically 1147 01:13:59,685 --> 01:14:02,145 than you've ever heard before in some of his scores. 1148 01:14:02,146 --> 01:14:04,064 - Okay, good. - Good, yep. 1149 01:14:04,648 --> 01:14:05,606 Next one. 1150 01:14:05,607 --> 01:14:08,025 And he has a true love of the orchestra, 1151 01:14:08,026 --> 01:14:10,736 and a true love of-of that kind of nonverbal communication it is 1152 01:14:10,737 --> 01:14:13,906 to raise your arms and to say, "Oh, everyone downbeat." 1153 01:14:13,907 --> 01:14:16,826 And then to get something back. I mean, that is a thrilling thing. 1154 01:14:16,827 --> 01:14:19,454 You can really see the... You know, the smile creep over John's face 1155 01:14:19,455 --> 01:14:21,373 when-when he conducts an orchestra. 1156 01:14:21,874 --> 01:14:25,751 This piece, ladies and gentlemen... it can't be too polite. 1157 01:14:25,752 --> 01:14:27,128 It is vulgar. 1158 01:14:29,923 --> 01:14:31,883 So, trombones will be ready for that. 1159 01:14:31,884 --> 01:14:35,052 I'll give you the biggest one-two ever in the world. 1160 01:14:36,805 --> 01:14:40,808 It's unique how happy people are... around him. 1161 01:14:40,809 --> 01:14:43,812 How happy orchestras are, you know? 1162 01:14:44,313 --> 01:14:45,771 You see John is coming onstage. 1163 01:14:45,772 --> 01:14:49,066 There's immediate awe because we have such great memories of his music 1164 01:14:49,067 --> 01:14:52,196 that we are like children in a candy store, you know? 1165 01:14:57,576 --> 01:15:01,829 When The Force Awakens came out, it's not like John changed his style. 1166 01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:05,876 He didn't. He-He wrote the same way he would have written in the '70s. 1167 01:15:10,964 --> 01:15:13,467 And then you have... 1168 01:15:21,391 --> 01:15:23,936 He's never lost the honest curiosity. 1169 01:15:24,436 --> 01:15:30,066 He somehow is able to tap into this unbelievably resonant emotional truth, 1170 01:15:30,067 --> 01:15:33,361 but then he's confident enough to be vulnerable 1171 01:15:33,362 --> 01:15:35,446 and then to ask, "Is that all right? What do you think?" 1172 01:15:35,447 --> 01:15:38,909 He's literally asking you, do you think this is okay? 1173 01:15:39,409 --> 01:15:42,912 And it makes me laugh, because when John Williams plays you a piece of music 1174 01:15:42,913 --> 01:15:46,542 that he's written, and he asks you if it's okay, there is one answer. 1175 01:15:54,841 --> 01:15:57,927 Audiences are still there for it. That's the incredible thing. 1176 01:15:57,928 --> 01:16:01,722 So it makes you wonder, like, why aren't we hearing more thematic scores? 1177 01:16:01,723 --> 01:16:05,977 Why aren't we hearing scores that burst off the screen the way John's do? 1178 01:16:05,978 --> 01:16:08,063 The audiences are clearly hungry for it. 1179 01:16:09,022 --> 01:16:10,357 So why isn't there more of it? 1180 01:16:16,196 --> 01:16:18,991 It's a difficult time right now in music 1181 01:16:19,575 --> 01:16:25,496 because, in my sensibility, the orchestra is an instrument to deliver music. 1182 01:16:25,497 --> 01:16:29,917 And so, music as I understand it, in terms of the great literature 1183 01:16:29,918 --> 01:16:32,754 that we've had in the last three or 400 years of music, 1184 01:16:33,380 --> 01:16:34,922 you could almost say it's dying. 1185 01:16:34,923 --> 01:16:39,135 Young composers, they want to work in electronics and spatial effects and so on. 1186 01:16:39,136 --> 01:16:41,304 Bless them, they do fantastic work 1187 01:16:41,305 --> 01:16:45,224 and I would love to be around another 50 years to see what they're doing. 1188 01:16:45,225 --> 01:16:50,605 But are we going to have another Brahms or another Wagner in the theater? 1189 01:16:50,606 --> 01:16:55,402 Right now, the way things are going, as we see the art of music developing, 1190 01:16:56,361 --> 01:16:59,364 it's a time for questions, a time for wondering. 1191 01:17:01,992 --> 01:17:05,453 {\an8}There's another side of John, which is his great concert music. 1192 01:17:05,454 --> 01:17:08,664 {\an8}This is not the kind of blockbuster Hollywood themes 1193 01:17:08,665 --> 01:17:10,750 that you would hear in the movie theaters. 1194 01:17:10,751 --> 01:17:16,214 These are more abstract, more refined, more searching music. 1195 01:17:23,597 --> 01:17:26,474 His movie scores are so cohesive, so concise, 1196 01:17:26,475 --> 01:17:31,062 and his concert music is... To me, is actually more fragmented 1197 01:17:31,063 --> 01:17:35,275 and separate from time, and a linear quality. 1198 01:17:38,278 --> 01:17:41,782 {\an8}His concert music, that's probably a huge outlet for him. 1199 01:17:42,991 --> 01:17:47,329 {\an8}He can explore the atonal and the textural. 1200 01:17:49,081 --> 01:17:51,833 It's really revealing another side of him. 1201 01:17:53,251 --> 01:17:57,713 Writing for films, I'm limited. I can only do what the subject will allow me to do. 1202 01:17:57,714 --> 01:18:01,551 I can't go crazy for eight minutes with brass... I'd like to, but I can't. 1203 01:18:09,601 --> 01:18:12,228 {\an8}For our student orchestra at North Hollywood High School 1204 01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:13,396 {\an8}here in California, 1205 01:18:13,397 --> 01:18:15,148 I played the bassoon. 1206 01:18:15,899 --> 01:18:18,819 Friend of mine, Harold... Late Harold Hansen tried to teach me, 1207 01:18:19,319 --> 01:18:21,904 and I got good enough where I could play in a band rehearsal or two, 1208 01:18:21,905 --> 01:18:23,949 second bassoon, a little bit. 1209 01:18:24,449 --> 01:18:27,993 But who would imagine, like, 40 years later, I would write a bassoon concerto 1210 01:18:27,994 --> 01:18:29,329 for the New York Philharmonic? 1211 01:18:29,996 --> 01:18:31,539 But that was the connection, you know, 1212 01:18:31,540 --> 01:18:34,166 my trying to play it and loving the instrument, 1213 01:18:34,167 --> 01:18:38,170 and then having an opportunity to write it for one of the world's greatest players, 1214 01:18:38,171 --> 01:18:39,464 Judith Leclair. 1215 01:18:41,508 --> 01:18:44,845 Anne-Sophie Mutter has gotten music from him. 1216 01:18:49,975 --> 01:18:51,977 Yo-Yo has played his music. 1217 01:18:57,023 --> 01:18:59,192 These pieces, they're challenging. 1218 01:18:59,776 --> 01:19:02,195 His command of their instrument 1219 01:19:02,988 --> 01:19:04,156 is overwhelming. 1220 01:19:11,663 --> 01:19:13,664 "The Elegy for Cello and Orchestra," 1221 01:19:13,665 --> 01:19:15,958 we recorded together many years ago. 1222 01:19:15,959 --> 01:19:19,588 Every time I present it to another cellist, 1223 01:19:20,172 --> 01:19:23,549 I say, "Have you heard Yo-Yo's recording?" 1224 01:19:23,550 --> 01:19:25,718 And they all say, "Yes. Oh, my God." 1225 01:19:25,719 --> 01:19:29,013 Like they couldn't possibly equal what the master has done with it. 1226 01:19:29,014 --> 01:19:31,892 So don't blame me. 1227 01:19:32,601 --> 01:19:33,602 That's wonderful. 1228 01:19:35,687 --> 01:19:38,773 {\an8}I get worried when he's not working. 1229 01:19:38,774 --> 01:19:41,901 He must work. He's somebody that just loves it, 1230 01:19:41,902 --> 01:19:44,153 and does it and has such a good time. 1231 01:19:44,154 --> 01:19:45,488 The most important thing 1232 01:19:45,489 --> 01:19:49,034 about my relationship with my father right now is golf. 1233 01:19:49,785 --> 01:19:52,077 So what's your favorite thing about golf? 1234 01:19:52,078 --> 01:19:53,538 - The golf? - Yeah. 1235 01:19:54,456 --> 01:19:57,542 - My favorite thing about golf is walking. - Ah. 1236 01:19:58,418 --> 01:20:02,130 Play golf is really the wrong verb. I don't play it, I destroy it. 1237 01:20:02,631 --> 01:20:04,341 I never really played very well, 1238 01:20:05,008 --> 01:20:08,302 and I usually go late in the afternoon when the real players have finished, 1239 01:20:08,303 --> 01:20:12,390 and it's quiet, and I could contemplate the real, true beauty of the place. 1240 01:20:13,266 --> 01:20:16,436 It's a beautiful way to spend a few hours together with your dad. 1241 01:20:17,604 --> 01:20:21,816 If I can do that a couple times every week for as long as he wants to be around, 1242 01:20:21,817 --> 01:20:24,319 I'm a very, very happy camper. 1243 01:20:25,237 --> 01:20:28,365 Oh! It's a mean game. 1244 01:20:30,784 --> 01:20:33,452 There are so many great moments, moments that he's composed, 1245 01:20:33,453 --> 01:20:35,955 that remind us about how movies thrill us. 1246 01:20:35,956 --> 01:20:38,457 And how movies reach to the child in us. 1247 01:20:38,458 --> 01:20:42,295 He's done more of those moments than any other living composer. 1248 01:20:42,879 --> 01:20:46,257 But he's also done so many other kinds of moments that are more than that, 1249 01:20:46,258 --> 01:20:48,259 {\an8}that are more nuanced than that, 1250 01:20:48,260 --> 01:20:50,094 {\an8}that are more powerful than that, 1251 01:20:50,095 --> 01:20:52,722 {\an8}that are more dynamic than that, that are more gripping than that. 1252 01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:06,735 John Williams is extraordinarily flexible 1253 01:21:06,736 --> 01:21:10,281 and is just sort of master of so many different musical languages, 1254 01:21:10,282 --> 01:21:13,743 {\an8}especially the weightier historical movies. 1255 01:21:26,631 --> 01:21:30,677 {\an8}As a fan of history, my mind runs quickly to Steven's films, 1256 01:21:31,928 --> 01:21:35,682 and to Oliver Stone, and films that I've done with him... 1257 01:21:38,518 --> 01:21:40,436 {\an8}like Born on the Fourth of July. 1258 01:21:40,437 --> 01:21:44,399 {\an8}The subject of the Vietnam War was so personal to him, 1259 01:21:47,235 --> 01:21:52,198 {\an8}but I think one felt a-a profound, uh, message in his work. 1260 01:21:57,037 --> 01:21:58,455 {\an8}And certainly in JFK. 1261 01:22:00,165 --> 01:22:03,292 JFK is a fantastic example of doing, 1262 01:22:03,293 --> 01:22:07,130 to a certain extent, the music before the film was done. 1263 01:22:08,089 --> 01:22:10,716 Oliver said to me, "Write three pieces of music. 1264 01:22:10,717 --> 01:22:14,386 I won't show you any film. I'll just show you the film of this reaction, 1265 01:22:14,387 --> 01:22:18,558 that reaction, and that reaction. And then you do freely your pieces." 1266 01:22:21,394 --> 01:22:23,979 And in the end, I think what he did was cut together 1267 01:22:23,980 --> 01:22:27,566 these various things and use the music from each one of them to a certain degree. 1268 01:22:27,567 --> 01:22:32,655 Uh, that was a unique opportunity for me to approach something historical... 1269 01:22:32,656 --> 01:22:37,535 in an attempt to dramatize it in a way that Oliver is-is famous for. 1270 01:22:44,626 --> 01:22:46,669 I love the kind of 1271 01:22:46,670 --> 01:22:50,756 noble sobriety of Saving Private Ryan and Lincoln. 1272 01:22:50,757 --> 01:22:54,927 You know, those beautiful American themes, those really, really, beautiful 1273 01:22:54,928 --> 01:22:58,514 feelings that you... That instill all of us with a great sense of 1274 01:22:58,515 --> 01:23:00,892 belonging to a great country and patriotism. 1275 01:23:07,148 --> 01:23:10,359 Saving Private Ryan is one of the greatest World War II films, 1276 01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,070 if not the greatest of all. 1277 01:23:13,780 --> 01:23:16,992 The first 15 minutes of that film are so... 1278 01:23:17,742 --> 01:23:20,077 beyond description, so extraordinary, 1279 01:23:20,078 --> 01:23:21,955 it certainly didn't need any music. 1280 01:23:24,624 --> 01:23:28,293 John feels that the absence is as important as the inclusion of music. 1281 01:23:28,294 --> 01:23:31,463 So we have these spotting sessions where we try something 1282 01:23:31,464 --> 01:23:34,216 and we say, "Maybe music here, maybe not music here." 1283 01:23:34,217 --> 01:23:36,344 We decided, of course, early on to have no music 1284 01:23:37,429 --> 01:23:39,264 for the invasion of Normandy. 1285 01:23:43,184 --> 01:23:47,397 The music would only come in when we see the body of Sean Ryan on the beach. 1286 01:23:59,659 --> 01:24:01,952 And we end the film with "Hymn to the Fallen" 1287 01:24:01,953 --> 01:24:06,206 {\an8}which was done with the Boston Symphony Tanglewood Chorus. 1288 01:24:06,207 --> 01:24:07,833 Tom Hanks was there. 1289 01:24:07,834 --> 01:24:10,544 Very exciting for the orchestra because he sat up in the balcony. 1290 01:24:10,545 --> 01:24:14,423 You know, we were on stage... and they were all looking up there 1291 01:24:14,424 --> 01:24:17,844 and I said, "You can't be... You have to look at the music." 1292 01:24:26,144 --> 01:24:29,938 Musically, it honors all of the veterans, 1293 01:24:29,939 --> 01:24:31,565 both today and yesterday. 1294 01:24:31,566 --> 01:24:34,359 And-and I think what you did musically is such a great honor 1295 01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:38,072 and that's why the military is always asking if they could play... 1296 01:24:38,073 --> 01:24:39,282 Perform this score. 1297 01:24:40,784 --> 01:24:43,160 This is one of the most requested scores 1298 01:24:43,161 --> 01:24:45,537 throughout our entire United States Military, 1299 01:24:45,538 --> 01:24:49,041 because it has the deepest reverence and respect for those 1300 01:24:49,042 --> 01:24:52,420 who have laid their lives upon the altar of freedom. 1301 01:24:59,219 --> 01:25:02,221 {\an8}John's capable of scoring any genre of film 1302 01:25:02,222 --> 01:25:05,307 {\an8}whether it's Saving Private Ryan or Home Alone. 1303 01:25:05,308 --> 01:25:08,853 {\an8}I made my family disappear. 1304 01:25:09,729 --> 01:25:13,066 We were shooting Home Alone, and we had already hired another composer, 1305 01:25:13,817 --> 01:25:18,737 and we got into post-production, found out the composer was no longer available. 1306 01:25:18,738 --> 01:25:21,198 {\an8}We got a call from John's agent, 1307 01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:23,575 {\an8}who said, "I'd like to show it to my client, John Williams." 1308 01:25:23,576 --> 01:25:26,329 And I almost literally dropped the phone. 1309 01:25:26,996 --> 01:25:28,164 I was stunned. 1310 01:25:29,457 --> 01:25:31,291 I loved it. I thought the film was wonderful. 1311 01:25:31,292 --> 01:25:32,668 The little boy was fabulous, 1312 01:25:32,669 --> 01:25:37,841 I thought, wonderful opportunity for Christmas textures, and flutes and bells. 1313 01:25:44,097 --> 01:25:47,892 We decided to preview the film utilizing John's score. 1314 01:25:48,393 --> 01:25:51,813 That preview was the best preview we had had up until that point. 1315 01:25:52,772 --> 01:25:55,942 The film tested 500% better than it did the first time. 1316 01:26:00,822 --> 01:26:03,950 He's reaching out from the screen and pulling the audience into the film. 1317 01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,204 When Chris asked me to do Harry Potter, 1318 01:26:09,205 --> 01:26:10,832 I was very, very happy to do it. 1319 01:26:19,215 --> 01:26:20,883 Wonderful opportunity for music. 1320 01:26:20,884 --> 01:26:23,051 {\an8}It was about children, magic and so on. 1321 01:26:23,052 --> 01:26:24,971 Children and magic equals music. 1322 01:26:26,181 --> 01:26:27,890 When I agreed to do Harry Potter, 1323 01:26:27,891 --> 01:26:30,893 I was called first to do some music for a trailer. 1324 01:26:30,894 --> 01:26:32,896 {\an8}And they asked me to do something magical. 1325 01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:37,691 {\an8}I understood what it was but I hadn't seen a single frame of film. 1326 01:26:37,692 --> 01:26:40,068 And so, I wrote the theme, which is "Hedwig's Theme." 1327 01:26:42,030 --> 01:26:45,700 I have to confess to you, the easiest thing in the world to write. 1328 01:26:46,284 --> 01:26:49,244 I went into where he was composing, into his office, 1329 01:26:49,245 --> 01:26:51,455 and he said, "Would you like to hear the main theme?" 1330 01:26:51,456 --> 01:26:54,708 And I said, "Of course, yeah." So he played... 1331 01:27:00,089 --> 01:27:02,549 So he's-he's adding that darkness, right? 1332 01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:06,637 He gets you with that lovely, beautiful theme and then it gets dark, 1333 01:27:06,638 --> 01:27:09,140 within seconds. How brilliant is that? 1334 01:27:10,475 --> 01:27:13,143 We knew when we got into the world of Potter 1335 01:27:13,144 --> 01:27:17,272 {\an8}that each film was going to get subsequently darker and darker and darker. 1336 01:27:17,273 --> 01:27:19,942 {\an8}Your scar is legend, 1337 01:27:19,943 --> 01:27:22,110 as of course was the wizard who gave it to you. 1338 01:27:22,111 --> 01:27:24,738 John and I discussed that for a long time, 1339 01:27:24,739 --> 01:27:27,742 and his score for the second Harry Potter film, Chamber of Secrets, 1340 01:27:28,284 --> 01:27:33,247 is the beginning of what will happen for the next seven films. 1341 01:27:33,248 --> 01:27:36,834 {\an8}Expecto Patronum! 1342 01:27:39,796 --> 01:27:44,299 I have to say that I-I've never been entirely comfortable with doing sequels. 1343 01:27:44,300 --> 01:27:46,677 I would rather have done a fresh story 1344 01:27:46,678 --> 01:27:49,639 with a fresh opportunity for a fresh score. 1345 01:27:50,223 --> 01:27:54,434 But Star Wars, for example, and Indiana Jones particularly, 1346 01:27:54,435 --> 01:27:56,853 I just felt that I didn't want some other composer, 1347 01:27:56,854 --> 01:27:59,106 very frankly, to come in and change that. 1348 01:27:59,107 --> 01:28:01,817 That it was something that I would... If I could do it, 1349 01:28:01,818 --> 01:28:04,319 t-to preserve the integrity of that piece, 1350 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,781 if I could have the time and energy to do all that, 1351 01:28:07,282 --> 01:28:09,783 particularly in the case of Star Wars where I did the first nine. 1352 01:28:09,784 --> 01:28:13,870 We finally got to Harry Potter, and those films were so wonderful and so difficult, 1353 01:28:13,871 --> 01:28:15,580 I think I did three of them. 1354 01:28:15,581 --> 01:28:17,416 I couldn't possibly have done... 1355 01:28:17,417 --> 01:28:19,376 How many did they make, eight? Something like that. 1356 01:28:19,377 --> 01:28:22,504 I would love to have been able to do it for just all those reasons. 1357 01:28:22,505 --> 01:28:24,966 Other people came along, did them very well. 1358 01:28:25,550 --> 01:28:28,802 So, when I could do the sequels, I tried to do them. 1359 01:28:28,803 --> 01:28:32,472 But I was... I use the word jealous, of keeping the integrity 1360 01:28:32,473 --> 01:28:34,641 of what I've already done. 1361 01:28:34,642 --> 01:28:37,519 Not that I thought that it was so precious or so timeless 1362 01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,813 that it couldn't be touched by another composer. 1363 01:28:39,814 --> 01:28:43,483 But I felt that if I could keep it consistent with my own work, 1364 01:28:43,484 --> 01:28:44,902 that would be the best thing to do. 1365 01:28:45,695 --> 01:28:47,946 I'm not sure I would have done Episodes I, II and III 1366 01:28:47,947 --> 01:28:50,532 if I couldn't have gotten Johnny to do the music for it. 1367 01:28:50,533 --> 01:28:53,703 You know, 'cause he was such an integral part of the creative process. 1368 01:28:55,330 --> 01:28:58,040 By the '90s, he'd become kind of a brand name. 1369 01:29:18,102 --> 01:29:20,897 It's in most people's DNA, a lot of his stuff. 1370 01:29:22,857 --> 01:29:25,317 {\an8}Just when you think you've exhausted it all, there he is. 1371 01:29:25,318 --> 01:29:27,195 Oh, it's the theme for NBC News. 1372 01:29:29,655 --> 01:29:33,575 For John, it wasn't enough just to write the great blockbusters. 1373 01:29:33,576 --> 01:29:37,580 He wanted to have a variety of work. And you think of the Olympics. 1374 01:29:42,668 --> 01:29:45,670 {\an8}I remember watching the Olympics as a young child... 1375 01:29:45,671 --> 01:29:47,172 {\an8}and noticing the music 1376 01:29:47,173 --> 01:29:49,175 {\an8}and how amazing it was. 1377 01:29:51,427 --> 01:29:52,552 They called me and said, 1378 01:29:52,553 --> 01:29:55,681 "John, will you write a piece for the opening of the Olympics?" 1379 01:29:58,601 --> 01:30:02,562 I loved all the pageantry of it and the heraldic aspect 1380 01:30:02,563 --> 01:30:06,234 of what the athletes do and how inspiring they are. 1381 01:30:06,859 --> 01:30:09,237 And then I've done three or four of them since. 1382 01:30:10,696 --> 01:30:14,158 I think that, in a strange way, he's kind of the biggest pop star ever. 1383 01:30:19,414 --> 01:30:25,044 {\an8}Today is actually my 45th year at the Hollywood Bowl. 1384 01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,171 Forty-five years. 1385 01:30:27,797 --> 01:30:29,799 I started there in 1978. 1386 01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:32,927 And I'm... still here with it! 1387 01:30:35,388 --> 01:30:38,975 At first, I was very shy about it, I guess I can say. 1388 01:30:39,892 --> 01:30:42,561 I said to the management of the Los Angeles Philharmonic, 1389 01:30:42,562 --> 01:30:44,312 "You don't need me, you have Zubin Mehta, 1390 01:30:44,313 --> 01:30:46,731 he's the greatest conductor in the world. Why do you want..." 1391 01:30:46,732 --> 01:30:48,984 "But no, the audience wants you to do it." 1392 01:30:48,985 --> 01:30:51,570 Hey! Gustavo. Simpatico. 1393 01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:55,657 I don't think that would have happened without Star Wars, 1394 01:30:55,658 --> 01:30:59,286 which established this practice, now worldwide, 1395 01:30:59,287 --> 01:31:01,204 of people doing concerts of film music. 1396 01:31:01,205 --> 01:31:04,332 Not just my music, but current film composers and past ones. 1397 01:31:04,333 --> 01:31:06,001 Lightsaber. 1398 01:31:06,002 --> 01:31:08,044 Wonderful. Oh, they're not too heavy. 1399 01:31:08,045 --> 01:31:09,671 - No, it's good. - It's good. 1400 01:31:10,673 --> 01:31:12,382 - Oh, that's cool! - Like so. 1401 01:31:15,761 --> 01:31:17,387 This is Bing Wang. 1402 01:31:17,388 --> 01:31:20,682 She'll be soloist tonight. Most fantastic violinist. 1403 01:31:20,683 --> 01:31:23,101 I am so excited... 1404 01:31:23,102 --> 01:31:25,897 to perform with Maestro John Williams. 1405 01:31:26,772 --> 01:31:28,107 These are the victims. 1406 01:31:29,650 --> 01:31:31,110 This is the magic stick. 1407 01:31:33,571 --> 01:31:34,572 That's it! 1408 01:31:37,700 --> 01:31:38,784 So. 1409 01:31:40,119 --> 01:31:42,830 {\an8}He's the only one who can do what he can do. 1410 01:31:43,873 --> 01:31:47,792 I mean, how many composers do you know who write so classically 1411 01:31:47,793 --> 01:31:49,086 and yet are so popular? 1412 01:31:51,214 --> 01:31:53,674 None of this would have been possible without John. 1413 01:31:54,675 --> 01:31:58,471 It's amazing. I mean, it's 17,000 people. 1414 01:32:01,557 --> 01:32:03,099 So this is the white jacket. 1415 01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:06,437 And I put it on. These are my work clothes. 1416 01:32:07,188 --> 01:32:09,941 This is... This is what I do my hammering with. 1417 01:32:10,441 --> 01:32:11,567 That's the way. 1418 01:32:12,068 --> 01:32:14,778 Anyone who's been to see John Williams at the Hollywood Bowl 1419 01:32:14,779 --> 01:32:16,154 performing his scores 1420 01:32:16,155 --> 01:32:18,281 recognizes that what you're effectively seeing 1421 01:32:18,282 --> 01:32:19,825 is a classical orchestra. 1422 01:32:22,161 --> 01:32:24,704 And yet the audience cheers like it's The Beatles. 1423 01:32:35,883 --> 01:32:38,969 You know, these aren't musical elitists who go to these shows, 1424 01:32:38,970 --> 01:32:41,889 these are everyday folks who just want to hear great music. 1425 01:32:49,647 --> 01:32:53,733 The music of John connects many generations, you know... 1426 01:32:53,734 --> 01:32:56,737 and that is something that is beautiful. 1427 01:32:57,655 --> 01:33:00,490 I mean, there's ages from young to old. 1428 01:33:00,491 --> 01:33:03,995 You know, you look back and you just see nothing but lightsabers. 1429 01:33:05,454 --> 01:33:06,956 And everyone loves the music. 1430 01:33:08,833 --> 01:33:11,710 To be surrounded by thousands of people 1431 01:33:11,711 --> 01:33:15,880 who are waving lightsabers and celebrating this man and what he has done. 1432 01:33:15,881 --> 01:33:19,885 It's such a beautiful and obviously well-deserved thing to see every time. 1433 01:33:21,220 --> 01:33:26,976 The atmosphere, it goes beyond what we think about a regular concert. 1434 01:33:28,436 --> 01:33:33,399 The people, they went crazy, was like a rock concert. 1435 01:33:42,867 --> 01:33:45,577 The thing about "The Imperial March" and the lightsabers, 1436 01:33:45,578 --> 01:33:48,455 it's something that has evolved over the years, you know. 1437 01:33:48,456 --> 01:33:51,207 Used to have two or three in the audience, you know, many years ago, 1438 01:33:51,208 --> 01:33:52,626 and then a few hundred. 1439 01:33:52,627 --> 01:33:54,836 Now we have, I don't know, how many thousand out there. 1440 01:33:54,837 --> 01:33:56,088 It's fantastic. 1441 01:33:59,342 --> 01:34:02,010 They know John. They know John's music. 1442 01:34:02,011 --> 01:34:04,137 And it was an explosion. 1443 01:34:04,138 --> 01:34:06,140 An explosion of happiness. 1444 01:34:30,373 --> 01:34:33,167 - That was fun, hey? - That was fantastic. 1445 01:34:33,834 --> 01:34:36,420 It works. It works! 1446 01:34:39,674 --> 01:34:42,593 I've been impossibly lucky in life. 1447 01:34:45,012 --> 01:34:46,638 I have remarried, yes. 1448 01:34:46,639 --> 01:34:48,515 To Samantha Williams. 1449 01:34:48,516 --> 01:34:49,767 She's wonderful. 1450 01:34:51,394 --> 01:34:53,270 I met her 50 years ago. 1451 01:34:54,105 --> 01:34:56,691 And we've been together through a lot of wonderful things. 1452 01:34:58,109 --> 01:35:00,361 And I'm deeply grateful. 1453 01:35:03,906 --> 01:35:07,201 There are so many things that have given me great honor. 1454 01:35:12,331 --> 01:35:16,209 The Oscars are a mark of achievement in most people's minds, 1455 01:35:16,210 --> 01:35:20,089 and I have enjoyed and very proud of the ones that I have received. 1456 01:35:21,674 --> 01:35:23,509 I've had 54 nominations. 1457 01:35:24,635 --> 01:35:27,721 And I have to express a great bit of gratitude 1458 01:35:27,722 --> 01:35:29,764 to the music branch of the Academy, 1459 01:35:29,765 --> 01:35:32,518 which is really recognition from your peers. 1460 01:35:33,227 --> 01:35:34,437 Thank you. 1461 01:35:39,066 --> 01:35:41,109 The main reason I think it's important to celebrate him 1462 01:35:41,110 --> 01:35:44,822 is just to say thank you for that amount of joy. 1463 01:35:46,490 --> 01:35:50,285 To make something that brings joy everywhere it goes 1464 01:35:50,286 --> 01:35:52,954 is rare and precious. 1465 01:35:52,955 --> 01:35:57,293 And nobody has a worse day from hearing some of his music. 1466 01:36:00,212 --> 01:36:03,840 John Williams has that great ear for music. 1467 01:36:03,841 --> 01:36:08,344 And he writes what he hears, more so than writing what he knows. 1468 01:36:08,345 --> 01:36:12,433 And I think that's why it's so powerful and it will always endure. 1469 01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:16,102 The minute John raises his baton, 1470 01:36:16,103 --> 01:36:19,607 and plays the first theme, you just go oh, my God, 1471 01:36:20,107 --> 01:36:21,649 here's another one. 1472 01:36:21,650 --> 01:36:23,277 Every single time. 1473 01:36:25,154 --> 01:36:28,865 He has this unbelievable superpower 1474 01:36:28,866 --> 01:36:33,662 of being able to create melodies that you will hear for the first time, 1475 01:36:34,413 --> 01:36:36,206 and feel like it was inevitable. 1476 01:36:36,207 --> 01:36:37,917 And you can't forget it. 1477 01:36:39,585 --> 01:36:41,252 As long as there is orchestral music, 1478 01:36:41,253 --> 01:36:44,589 you're gonna see orchestras that devote entire evenings to his music. 1479 01:36:44,590 --> 01:36:48,219 Just as they would with Beethoven or Gershwin or Mozart. 1480 01:36:49,929 --> 01:36:52,514 When I'm making a movie, especially when I'm making a really tough film, 1481 01:36:52,515 --> 01:36:55,726 it's a tough production, I think about, well, someday this will end, 1482 01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:58,520 and I'll be able to sit down, just in front of the orchestra 1483 01:36:58,521 --> 01:36:59,814 and behind the podium. 1484 01:37:00,773 --> 01:37:02,732 And for six or eight days, 1485 01:37:02,733 --> 01:37:06,486 listen to fabulous new compositions by John Williams. 1486 01:37:06,487 --> 01:37:08,989 It's what I look forward to on every single movie. 1487 01:37:18,249 --> 01:37:21,794 {\an8}I've never asked Johnny, "Could I conduct his orchestra?" Never once. 1488 01:37:22,586 --> 01:37:26,674 But I would like to take the baton today in your honor, 1489 01:37:27,591 --> 01:37:31,261 and if everybody would direct their attention to the marquee. 1490 01:37:31,262 --> 01:37:32,638 Mazel tov. 1491 01:37:49,196 --> 01:37:52,992 First time I came to this studio was in 1940, 1492 01:37:53,868 --> 01:37:56,704 when my father brought me here to show me the stage. 1493 01:37:57,454 --> 01:38:00,207 And I went on to... Say, I was about nine or ten years old, 1494 01:38:00,708 --> 01:38:04,587 and I looked around at the room and I thought to myself, 1495 01:38:05,212 --> 01:38:07,339 "Someday this will all be mine." 1496 01:38:11,969 --> 01:38:13,888 It's finally come to be! 1497 01:38:23,522 --> 01:38:25,690 My life and career has been so diverse, 1498 01:38:25,691 --> 01:38:29,820 going from comedies, to space, to more or less so-called serious work. 1499 01:38:30,613 --> 01:38:33,281 In the end, what I'm completely happy with 1500 01:38:33,282 --> 01:38:35,659 is the finale of the Cello Concerto. 1501 01:38:38,746 --> 01:38:42,541 Or completely happy with second movement of the First Violin Concerto. 1502 01:38:45,544 --> 01:38:47,087 But not the whole piece! 1503 01:38:48,756 --> 01:38:52,133 Some of the themes in Star Wars, like "Yoda's Theme" 1504 01:38:52,134 --> 01:38:54,469 for example, I think is especially good. 1505 01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:57,640 The way the intervals go, it's original, it's very simple. 1506 01:38:59,558 --> 01:39:04,605 There are parts of E.T., I think the "Over The Moon" theme is especially good. 1507 01:39:06,357 --> 01:39:10,069 So that's the closest thing I can come to saying, "This thing describes me." 1508 01:39:11,028 --> 01:39:13,322 I think all the things I mentioned do describe me, 1509 01:39:14,031 --> 01:39:15,157 but not completely. 1510 01:39:18,702 --> 01:39:22,956 The various stages of my career of piano playing and arranging 1511 01:39:22,957 --> 01:39:25,416 and orchestrating and television and film, 1512 01:39:25,417 --> 01:39:28,587 I have to say it was a progression that was unplanned. 1513 01:39:30,589 --> 01:39:33,383 I had a few setbacks, but I was very, very lucky, 1514 01:39:33,384 --> 01:39:37,179 especially after meeting Steven Spielberg, probably the luckiest day of my life. 1515 01:39:40,724 --> 01:39:42,809 People say, "How do you do so much work?" 1516 01:39:42,810 --> 01:39:47,231 I was busy all the time, but I was filled with the love of music, 1517 01:39:48,315 --> 01:39:51,610 and the pleasure of doing it with great musicians, great orchestras. 1518 01:39:53,737 --> 01:39:57,157 I couldn't write fast enough to bring them something to play. 1519 01:40:03,163 --> 01:40:05,249 Music for a musician is like breathing. 1520 01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:10,170 It supports us, sustains us, gives us energy. 1521 01:40:12,089 --> 01:40:14,091 I write every morning, something. 1522 01:40:15,342 --> 01:40:17,593 You can imagine writing all these notes, 1523 01:40:17,594 --> 01:40:21,556 and then having the opportunity to get up in front of an orchestra and conduct it, 1524 01:40:21,557 --> 01:40:25,019 and hear it all brought to life, what you've put on the page. 1525 01:40:25,978 --> 01:40:27,479 That's a thrilling thing. 1526 01:40:31,608 --> 01:40:33,402 Music is enough for a lifetime, 1527 01:40:34,945 --> 01:40:37,448 but a lifetime is not enough for music.136299

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