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NARRATOR:
In the criminal justice system
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the people are represented by two
separate yet equally important groups,
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the police
who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Oh, come on, papi It's too
damn cold out here for this.
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Too cold? What'd I raise
here, a man or a ratoncito?
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Hey, actually you didn't raise me at all.
Mommy raised me.
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You were always
too busy workin'.
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Yeah, puttin' clothes on everybody's
back, taking care of the family.
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Just be quiet now. You're
scarin' away my fish.
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Look, can we just go over
to Gristedes and buy some?
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I promise to let you tell
everybody you caught it, okay?
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Look, when you do a job, you
do it right, all right?
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Oh, oh, I think I got a nibble.
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Whoa! (GRUNTING)
Damn, it's heavy!
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It's probably all the mercury.
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Gimme a hand
here. Hurry up.
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VICTOR: Ay, Dios mio, pa.
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So what's the story?
Girl meets bridge?
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Girl meets bullet.
Then girl meets river.
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I love a happy ending.
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Any idea how long ago?
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It's hard to say with the
bloating and decomposition.
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Three, maybe four weeks.
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You didn't find any ID
floating around, did you?
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Nah. Just the clothes
she went in with.
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Oh, looks like somebody
did a number on her face.
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Something, more likely.
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Fish. They go for
the eyes first.
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Victim's between
25 and 35, 5"6'.
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Death was caused by a single .22 caliber
slug to the left temple region.
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Blow back.
Up close and personal.
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Any sign of sexual assault?
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That long in the river,
I couldn't tell you.
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What about her clothes?
Anything there?
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Mass manufactured.
Nothin' unusual.
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You might check out her belt
buckle though Looks handcrafted.
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There's an insignia
stamped into the silver.
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Could be Native American.
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American Indian Museum downtown
might give us a leg up.
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Jane Doe with a buckle.
Another promising start.
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Oh, actually, I'm thinkin'
more like Jane Dietrich.
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Given her dental work, she's
probably a German national.
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How do you know that?
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Stateside metal crowns are usually
custom made from gold or silver.
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Hers are generically stamped
out of stainless steel.
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We don't do that?
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A couple of quack
dentists in Texas tried.
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This technique's
definitely German.
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ED: We figure she either
emigrated to the U.S.
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or she came here
on a tourist visa.
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You talk with the consulate?
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Mmm-hmm. No German national is
reported missing in New York State.
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Now, with Argentina, it's
a whole different story.
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What about travel visas?
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Over 6,000 in the
past three months.
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Hey, the dollar's down.
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And of those, 2,346 went to females
between the ages of 25 to 35.
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It'll take us till Oktoberfest
to run through all of them.
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That's it?
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Well, we sent her dental
records to the Fatherland.
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Oh, that could take months.
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In the meantime, let's
work with what we've got.
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BRISCOE: Littlemoon Birdsong?
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If this is about
those parking tickets,
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I was gonna send a check tomorrow, I swear.
Take it easy.
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You're not gonna lose your micro-bus.
We're Homicide.
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Homicide?
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The curator at the Indian Museum
thought this might be your work.
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Yeah, that's mine.
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I did a series
of them last year.
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But I don't understand what
this has to do with a homicide.
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The victim was wearing that
buckle when she was killed.
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(SIGHS)
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Actually, it's an
Apache peace symbol.
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Didn't protect
them much either.
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We're gonna need a list
of your customers.
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Oh, I don't do retail.
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Credit card receipts,
sales tax, marketing plans...
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A little too time consuming.
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So where do you sell your work?
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A little boutique in Chelsea.
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I let them deal with
the headaches now.
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I wish we all
could. Thanks.
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Littlemoon Birdsong, my ass.
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Her name's Linda Epstein
from Cedarhurst.
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Different tribe altogether.
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Yeah. I sold this. It's
some sort of peace thing.
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We're trying to locate the
woman who may have bought it.
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You remember everyone
you arrest, Detective?
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She might have had
a German accent.
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(SCOFFS) Everybody's
got an accent these days.
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Okay, what about credit card records?
Sales receipts?
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You understand, we're
mostly a cash business.
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We're not interested
in your relationship
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with the tax collector,
Ms. Martin.
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We just want to know
who bought the buckle.
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Well, a lot of our customers
sign our mailing list.
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Would that do it?
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BRISCOE: We're gonna
need everything.
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Now, the list I need
back next week.
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We're sending out a new mailer.
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Indonesian death masks.
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Guys, here's the Missing Persons.
The whole Tri-State area.
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They go back six months, right?
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Just like you asked, Detective.
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Thank you.
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Another no answer.
That makes seven.
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Yeah.
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Oh. Okay. Thanks anyway.
Yeah, I'll tell him.
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Chessie Shaw, New Milford, New Jersey.
Alive and well.
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You tell her about
the death masks?
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ED: That's everybody
on my list.
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What does that leave us with?
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Uh, that's seven no
answers, a disconnect
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and five unlisted numbers.
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Any luck so far?
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Well, I figure either Our Lady of the
Hudson wasn't on the mailing list,
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or the belt buckle was a gift.
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Here's somethin'.
Karen Hall.
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Investigator in the New York State Attorney
General's Criminal Division upstate.
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Disappeared six weeks ago.
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That could be my
Albany disconnect.
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Same age and height.
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Well, the hair color's
similar but I thought
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we were looking for
a German national.
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Says in her bio her father was a bird
colonel in the Army stationed in...
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Germany.
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Eight years. Moved
to Albany in '89.
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We were Army brats.
Baden Spa, Berlin.
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My sisters and me, we spent our childhoods
being dragged from base to base.
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Karen was the only one
who seemed to enjoy it.
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She loved meeting new people.
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ED: And when was the last time you
had contact with your sister?
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The day she disappeared.
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Karen was in Manhattan on a work assignment.
We spoke on the phone.
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I didn't realize it would be the
last time I'd hear her voice.
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When you say "work assignment,"
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you mean for the
Attorney General's Office?
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Right.
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ED: Any idea what
she was working on?
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She didn't talk
about her job much.
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She took it seriously, though.
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What time was it when
you spoke to her?
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VINCENT: Maybe 5:00, 5:30.
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Did she say where she was?
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She was on her cell phone.
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I thought maybe we could
have an early dinner,
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but Karen said it would
have to be another time.
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She was heading to catch
the Amtrak back to Albany.
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You know, I told all this to the
State Troopers when they were here.
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ED: This is just routine,
Mr. Hall.
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Did Karen have any
friends in Manhattan?
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Somebody who might have changed
her mind about goin' home?
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She'd only been in the
city maybe once or twice.
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She didn't know anyone
here, outside of work.
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And you reported her missing
the following Monday?
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She was supposed to go furniture
shopping with Nancy in Rhinebeck,
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but she never showed up.
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You guys got any idea
who did this to her?
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We're workin'
on it, Mr. Hall.
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Well, work hard.
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'Cause Karen was
the baby of the family.
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She was the favorite, you know.
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And I was her big brother.
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Karen started with the office's
upstate division five years ago
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as a paralegal
in Mr. Conroy's bureau.
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When did she get the
bump up to investigator?
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I signed off on her promotion
only six months ago,
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which is what makes what
happened such a waste.
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Karen was something of a
project in the bureau.
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Project?
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Well, it was obvious from the beginning
that she had a real feel for the work.
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It all came naturally to her.
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Karen just lacked some
of the formal training
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and education she
needed to move forward.
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Eventually it all
came together.
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You have any working theories?
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Had. Till her body
turned up in Manhattan.
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We have a witness that puts her in the
Albany train station at 9:30 that night.
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And confirms her brother's story that
she was taking the 6:45 from Manhattan.
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The timing worked.
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Ms. Shore, we're gonna need to
follow up on the interviews.
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Of course. I'll help you guys
out with anything you need.
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FRANKS: The car was locked.
No sign of a break-in.
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We figure she was snatched
somewhere between
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the platform and
the parking lot.
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I would've come to
the same conclusion.
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Either of you know
Ms. Hall personally?
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Just to say hello.
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I worked a case with her once
when she was a paralegal.
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She was good people.
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You find any signs of personal problems
while you were knockin' around?
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No debts, no drugs,
no gambling.
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Nothing out of the ordinary.
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No death threats, huh?
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She have any overdue library
books in her apartment?
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Just a half-starved Cocker Spaniel
and a closet full of clothes.
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Yeah, it was pretty much a
cold trail after the station.
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What about this newsstand guy?
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The one that says
he saw her that night?
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Hardworking Turkish.
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Been at the station
over 10 years.
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We're gonna need
to talk to him.
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DAVIS: I'll run you right
over now, if you want.
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I told the truth.
Nothing but the truth.
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Nobody's accusing
you of lying, Mr. Hoca.
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Take your time, sir.
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This lady in the picture,
she came in on the train
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on the night of
the 19th of February
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and bought magazines
in my kiosk.
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Then she walk away, out that...
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Out that door?
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Are you... Are you
asking or telling?
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I think this is the truth.
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Yeah, but you didn't actually see
her get off the train, right?
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Me? No. The troopers, they
say she was on the train.
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Can you describe this
woman, Mr. Hoca?
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Blonde hair, middle
height, middle weight.
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Was she dragging
a flowered travel bag?
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You know, the kind
you wheel around?
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Yes. I remember.
I see that.
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Thank you, very much, sir.
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It's, uh, okay?
I did good?
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Oh, you did fine.
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Oh, he's the most convincing witness
I've heard since Kato Kaelin.
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He seemed solid when
we interviewed him.
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Who else did you talk to
during your investigation?
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Hey, we did our damn job.
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Did you canvass the damn area?
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Did you talk to the
regular damn commuters?
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Somebody on the train must've
remembered seeing her.
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Did you talk to the conductors?
The other vendors?
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Hey, we talked to
everybody, okay?
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The Turk was the
only one who saw her.
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And that didn't
tell you something?
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Look, I tell you something,
it stays off the record.
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We're all cops here, man.
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The fact is, Jim and
I had our own doubts.
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Doubts about what?
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About the direction the case was
being steered by the A.G.'s office.
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What direction was that?
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My personal opinion, and I don't
have any evidence to support this.
245
00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,390
It's all right.
I hear you.
246
00:11:35,750 --> 00:11:38,230
They glommed on to the train-snatch
theory for their own reasons.
247
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ED: And the right
reasons would be?
248
00:11:39,790 --> 00:11:43,740
Let's just say I don't think the A.G.
wanted to face the possibility
249
00:11:43,790 --> 00:11:47,600
that Karen Hall's killer might be some
guy from one of their own case files.
250
00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:55,940
Well, naturally we considered the
possibility it was work related.
251
00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,240
It's the first thing
we thought of.
252
00:11:57,310 --> 00:12:00,620
But we couldn't uncover any hard
evidence to support the theory.
253
00:12:00,710 --> 00:12:04,620
With all due respect, Mr. Conroy,
how hard did you consider it?
254
00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:05,990
Well, we pulled our case files.
255
00:12:06,050 --> 00:12:07,530
We examined every possibility.
256
00:12:07,580 --> 00:12:10,530
But, uh, all the evidence
pointed back to Albany.
257
00:12:10,590 --> 00:12:13,030
We're going to need to go
over all of her files.
258
00:12:13,090 --> 00:12:15,000
Everything she was
working on at the time.
259
00:12:15,590 --> 00:12:17,260
Some of those cases
are still pending.
260
00:12:17,390 --> 00:12:20,500
We're not going to compromise any of
my investigations, are we, Lieutenant?
261
00:12:21,230 --> 00:12:23,070
You can count
on our discretion.
262
00:12:24,230 --> 00:12:25,400
I don't see a problem.
263
00:12:25,470 --> 00:12:28,880
I'll have some of those case files
copied and sent off to your precinct.
264
00:12:28,940 --> 00:12:31,010
Well, I'd like to get my
men started on the case
265
00:12:31,070 --> 00:12:33,280
she was working the
day she disappeared.
266
00:12:33,470 --> 00:12:34,580
SHORE: Alec?
267
00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,180
Uh, Nate Richards.
A nursing home fraud.
268
00:12:37,250 --> 00:12:39,320
It was a joint prosecution
with the Feds.
269
00:12:39,380 --> 00:12:41,760
And Karen Hall was sent
to Manhattan for what?
270
00:12:41,820 --> 00:12:44,460
We had a reluctant witness. I
wanted Karen to hold her hand.
271
00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,760
VAN BUREN: Why was
the witness reluctant?
272
00:12:46,820 --> 00:12:50,770
Defendant's ex. She was having second
thoughts about testifying against him.
273
00:12:50,830 --> 00:12:52,460
And that aroused no suspicion?
274
00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:54,800
We had Richards
interviewed extensively.
275
00:12:54,860 --> 00:12:56,000
ALEC: It was a dead end.
276
00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,300
But, listen, I understand
you have a job to do.
277
00:12:58,370 --> 00:13:00,900
Uh, I can make a
call to the facility.
278
00:13:00,970 --> 00:13:03,540
Your guys are certainly welcome
to take a stab at him.
279
00:13:06,210 --> 00:13:07,980
RICHARDS: Like I told the
guy from the A.G.'s office.
280
00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,450
I wouldn't know Karen Hall
if I fell over the broad.
281
00:13:10,510 --> 00:13:12,220
Interesting choice of words.
282
00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,850
Ms. Hall was one of the
investigators on your case.
283
00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,920
I never laid eyes on her. I
mean, what is it with you guys?
284
00:13:17,020 --> 00:13:19,230
She was working
with Angela Cofresta
285
00:13:19,290 --> 00:13:21,460
at the time of
her disappearance.
286
00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,090
You remember Angela?
287
00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,370
Bitch gave me up when
I wouldn't leave my wife.
288
00:13:26,490 --> 00:13:27,870
Imagine that.
289
00:13:28,900 --> 00:13:30,500
We pulled your sheet, Nate.
290
00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:33,510
You had a little domestic
history with this woman.
291
00:13:33,570 --> 00:13:34,600
Angela dropped those charges.
292
00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,980
Yeah, we noticed that, too.
293
00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,850
'Cause you smacked her
around a little bit, right?
294
00:13:38,910 --> 00:13:40,980
Only this time, they
gave her a babysitter.
295
00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,110
I was lookin' at 26 months
on that fraud charge.
296
00:13:43,180 --> 00:13:45,350
You think I'm gonna
threaten a federal witness?
297
00:13:45,410 --> 00:13:46,920
Cap a state investigator?
298
00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,820
Women. Can't live with 'em,
can't kill 'em, huh, Nate?
299
00:13:50,890 --> 00:13:52,160
You got any idea how far
that would've pushed me
300
00:13:52,220 --> 00:13:53,960
along on the
sentencing guidelines?
301
00:13:54,020 --> 00:13:57,000
I mean, I'd need a nursing home
myself by the time I got out.
302
00:13:57,490 --> 00:14:00,960
Well, can you account for your whereabouts
on the night of the February 19th?
303
00:14:01,030 --> 00:14:02,170
Yeah.
304
00:14:02,900 --> 00:14:06,500
Where every good defendant is supposed to be.
In my lawyer's office.
305
00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:10,340
Testifying against Nate was
the hardest thing I ever did.
306
00:14:11,170 --> 00:14:12,710
I was scared of him.
307
00:14:12,770 --> 00:14:14,280
But you went through with it.
308
00:14:14,340 --> 00:14:16,220
Yeah, I went through with it.
309
00:14:17,550 --> 00:14:20,120
Karen made me think about
all those old people.
310
00:14:20,180 --> 00:14:22,180
How they were suffering.
311
00:14:22,250 --> 00:14:24,160
I never thought about
it like that before.
312
00:14:24,890 --> 00:14:27,560
Ms. Cofresta, you had
a meeting with Ms. Hall
313
00:14:27,620 --> 00:14:29,900
at around 2:00 p.m.
the day she disappeared?
314
00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,560
We talked a lot on the phone.
315
00:14:31,630 --> 00:14:33,570
Karen came down
just to be with me.
316
00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:35,370
What'd you talk about?
317
00:14:35,430 --> 00:14:38,570
Mostly stuff about the case.
Goin' over stuff.
318
00:14:38,630 --> 00:14:42,170
And we talked about men.
Older men, married men.
319
00:14:42,270 --> 00:14:44,150
How they try to control you.
320
00:14:44,910 --> 00:14:46,010
She really understood.
321
00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:48,550
Did she talk about
the men in her life?
322
00:14:48,610 --> 00:14:50,420
No, not really.
323
00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,020
But I kind of got the feelin' she
was dating an older guy, too.
324
00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,560
She mention anything about him?
325
00:14:54,620 --> 00:14:56,460
A name?
Anything at all?
326
00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,160
COFRESTA: Just
that it was over.
327
00:14:58,250 --> 00:15:00,290
BRISCOE: What time
did she leave?
328
00:15:00,350 --> 00:15:05,300
Maybe 4:00, I think. It was
a long time ago, you know.
329
00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:09,500
I do remember she said she had a
late meeting in the city that night,
330
00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,270
and I could call her if I
started stressing out again.
331
00:15:14,070 --> 00:15:15,950
Maybe if I did,
she'd still be alive.
332
00:15:17,310 --> 00:15:18,720
She was staying late in town?
333
00:15:18,770 --> 00:15:21,750
Told her brother she had to get back
to Albany to take care of her dog.
334
00:15:21,810 --> 00:15:23,620
She doesn't strike me as the
type to lie to her brother.
335
00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,320
Or to let her dog
starve to death.
336
00:15:25,380 --> 00:15:27,090
Maybe something
came up at work.
337
00:15:27,150 --> 00:15:28,590
Think we'd have heard about it.
338
00:15:28,650 --> 00:15:29,960
(LAUGHS) Yeah, you'd think.
339
00:15:30,590 --> 00:15:33,120
ED: I want to work for the
A.G.'s office when I grow up.
340
00:15:33,190 --> 00:15:34,890
The Attorney
General investigated
341
00:15:34,990 --> 00:15:37,470
illegal billing practices
at the Klensch Agency.
342
00:15:37,530 --> 00:15:40,770
Karen Hall personally
interviewed 17 runway models.
343
00:15:40,830 --> 00:15:42,430
Maybe we should follow up.
344
00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,380
It looks like Conroy
was right on.
345
00:15:44,430 --> 00:15:48,140
From what I'm seein', there's nothing
life or death in these case files.
346
00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,120
Hey, Ed, when did Conroy say Karen got her
first field assignment to the big city?
347
00:15:53,170 --> 00:15:54,740
Couple of months back.
348
00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,880
And her brother thought she was still
gettin' her bearings around town?
349
00:15:57,950 --> 00:16:01,690
Right. So how come she's got
three Amtrak ticket stubs,
350
00:16:01,750 --> 00:16:05,420
round trip, Albany to New York,
goin' back more than a year?
351
00:16:05,490 --> 00:16:06,860
She goes down to the Big Apple,
352
00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,490
she keeps it from
her big brother
353
00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:09,860
and everyone else in her life.
354
00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,340
That can only mean one thing.
355
00:16:11,390 --> 00:16:12,800
A special friend?
356
00:16:12,860 --> 00:16:14,200
Mmm-hmm.
357
00:16:15,260 --> 00:16:16,900
Karen had no time
for boyfriends.
358
00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,570
She was so busy with work.
359
00:16:18,630 --> 00:16:21,740
God knows we tried, but it was
always one thing or another.
360
00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,370
Even if she had a boyfriend,
she wouldn't have told me.
361
00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,480
The age difference, it was more like
a father-daughter thing with us.
362
00:16:28,610 --> 00:16:30,560
Karen was seeing someone.
363
00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:32,720
BRISCOE: Did she
mention a name?
364
00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:34,120
She told you that?
365
00:16:34,180 --> 00:16:35,680
NANCY: She didn't
want people to know.
366
00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:36,960
We're people?
367
00:16:37,020 --> 00:16:38,790
Did she tell you
who she was seeing?
368
00:16:38,850 --> 00:16:41,860
No. But he was married.
369
00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,340
Karen was going with a married guy?
She told you that?
370
00:16:44,390 --> 00:16:45,800
She said it was over.
371
00:16:45,860 --> 00:16:47,240
ED: And she never
mentioned a name?
372
00:16:47,300 --> 00:16:49,640
She wouldn't say
anything about him.
373
00:16:50,130 --> 00:16:52,810
She didn't want people
at work to find out.
374
00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:56,350
Why didn't you tell all this to the
troopers when she disappeared?
375
00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,820
I did. I told
the investigators.
376
00:16:58,870 --> 00:17:00,720
But I didn't know who it was,
377
00:17:00,780 --> 00:17:04,050
and Karen said it had
been over for awhile.
378
00:17:05,180 --> 00:17:07,750
So you're thinking it may
be a romance gone sour?
379
00:17:07,850 --> 00:17:10,350
One of the sisters thinks it
might have been an office thing.
380
00:17:10,420 --> 00:17:12,420
Did you call Albany
and ask around?
381
00:17:12,490 --> 00:17:15,190
Yeah, no luck. It seems the
lady was tight-lipped.
382
00:17:15,260 --> 00:17:18,260
So we pulled all of her
personal credit card receipts
383
00:17:18,330 --> 00:17:19,830
goin' back a year.
384
00:17:19,890 --> 00:17:23,000
Hotel, restaurant charges from all
over the city last 10 months.
385
00:17:23,060 --> 00:17:24,130
Busy girl.
386
00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,010
Up until a month before
she disappeared.
387
00:17:26,070 --> 00:17:29,310
Right about the time sis
says the romance cooled.
388
00:17:29,370 --> 00:17:32,580
One, two, three, four
five visits to Caverna?
389
00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,810
ED: You know it? Yeah,
it's a quiet little place
390
00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,820
over on 21st and 10th.
391
00:17:38,650 --> 00:17:40,390
You say she was a customer?
392
00:17:40,450 --> 00:17:42,690
Yeah. Five or six
times that we know of.
393
00:17:42,750 --> 00:17:45,750
Perhaps you can come back tomorrow.
Speak with the maitre d'.
394
00:17:45,850 --> 00:17:46,960
I'm usually in the back office.
395
00:17:47,020 --> 00:17:48,690
Why can't we speak
to the maitre d' now?
396
00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,070
Called in sick. And we are in the
middle of our busiest seating.
397
00:17:52,430 --> 00:17:55,270
Well, we're in the middle of a
busy homicide investigation.
398
00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:59,010
Let me get Roberto, our head waiter.
Maybe he can help you.
399
00:18:02,300 --> 00:18:03,840
These gentlemen are
with the police, Roberto.
400
00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:05,710
They'd like to see if you could
help identify a photograph.
401
00:18:05,770 --> 00:18:07,750
Oh, ma certo.
Absolutely.
402
00:18:07,810 --> 00:18:09,750
Ah, sf. La signorina Hall
403
00:18:09,810 --> 00:18:12,350
Used to come here
with her gentleman friend.
404
00:18:12,410 --> 00:18:14,190
But, uh, not so much anymore.
405
00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:17,750
You wouldn't happen to remember
this gentleman friend's name?
406
00:18:17,820 --> 00:18:20,560
Oh, sure, sure. First rule
of ristorante business, huh?
407
00:18:20,620 --> 00:18:22,430
Never forget
a name. (LAUGHS)
408
00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:25,660
(STAMMERS) It's, uh,
Alfred. Uh, no, Arturo.
409
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,670
Alexandro. No, Alec.
Si, Alec Conroy.
410
00:18:32,130 --> 00:18:33,480
Alec Conroy?
411
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,480
He and the signorina, always
the deuce in the corner.
412
00:18:36,540 --> 00:18:39,610
Very private. Uh,
very romantic, huh?
413
00:18:41,180 --> 00:18:42,620
Very nice.
414
00:18:47,150 --> 00:18:48,490
Alec Conroy?
415
00:18:49,580 --> 00:18:52,000
The heir apparent
at the A.G.'s office?
416
00:18:52,050 --> 00:18:53,790
How well do you
really know him?
417
00:18:53,850 --> 00:18:57,560
He got organized crime convictions that
everyone else thought were impossible,
418
00:18:57,630 --> 00:18:58,900
including myself.
419
00:19:00,090 --> 00:19:03,370
In addition to which, I went
to law school with his boss.
420
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,070
Isabel Shore.
There's a straight arrow.
421
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:07,980
As straight as they come.
422
00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,980
If she suspected anything she never
would have given him the nod.
423
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,920
According to Briscoe and Green,
424
00:19:12,970 --> 00:19:15,450
Conroy kept his investigators
pursuing leads
425
00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:17,460
he had to know
would never pay off.
426
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:20,890
And he concealed his
relationship with the Hall girl.
427
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:22,550
CARMICHAEL: A married
ex-boyfriend?
428
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:25,190
That would have been at the top
of the trooper's hit list.
429
00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:28,830
Conroy told them the romance
angle was a dead-end.
430
00:19:28,890 --> 00:19:31,170
While he kept them in the dark
about his affair with the victim.
431
00:19:31,730 --> 00:19:34,330
This man is next in line
at the Criminal Division.
432
00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:37,530
I'm not gonna drag
him out in handcuffs
433
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,440
because he concealed an affair.
434
00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:41,380
He did more than
conceal it, Nora.
435
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,510
He told Karen Hall's sister
there was no office romance,
436
00:19:44,570 --> 00:19:46,950
and then he turned the investigation
to a less than credible witness
437
00:19:47,010 --> 00:19:48,280
who put her in Albany.
438
00:19:48,340 --> 00:19:52,420
Taken as a whole, his conduct
does evince a guilty mind.
439
00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:56,130
(SCOFFS) What do
you want to do?
440
00:19:56,550 --> 00:19:58,860
Look him in the eye
and ask him the question.
441
00:20:00,860 --> 00:20:04,630
I killed Karen Hall because I
was having an affair with her,
442
00:20:04,690 --> 00:20:06,730
then stonewalled
the investigation?
443
00:20:06,830 --> 00:20:10,170
(LAUGHS) That's...
That's absurd.
444
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:12,770
Is there another explanation?
Yes.
445
00:20:12,830 --> 00:20:14,740
The investigation into
Karen's disappearance
446
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,370
went nowhere because there
was nowhere for it to go.
447
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,540
It's as simple as that.
448
00:20:17,610 --> 00:20:20,380
Especially not with a cover story
about a witness in Albany.
449
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,120
The newsstand vendor told
the troopers she was there.
450
00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:24,750
I relied on that.
451
00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:26,310
JACK: They don't
see it that way.
452
00:20:26,380 --> 00:20:29,590
Really? Well, their activity
reports say they do.
453
00:20:29,650 --> 00:20:31,690
Activity reports
that you supervised.
454
00:20:34,020 --> 00:20:37,330
I have the distinct feeling that
somebody's about to read me my rights.
455
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:39,800
Do you need your
rights read, Mr. Conroy?
456
00:20:44,170 --> 00:20:45,470
Off the record?
457
00:20:47,970 --> 00:20:49,880
Okay, on the record then.
458
00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:53,880
Karen and I had been involved.
Past tense.
459
00:20:53,940 --> 00:20:56,350
I broke it off.
End of story.
460
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,720
I assume you can tell us where you
were the night she disappeared.
461
00:20:59,780 --> 00:21:01,560
We already know
it wasn't in Albany.
462
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,890
I wouldn't have taken
it on faith, either.
463
00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:07,130
I was with someone else.
464
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:08,530
Not your wife.
465
00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:14,030
My wife and I weren't together at the time.
I had my own place.
466
00:21:14,090 --> 00:21:17,370
Now, if that offends your
long-horn, self-righteous sense
467
00:21:17,470 --> 00:21:19,780
of right and wrong,
then so be it.
468
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:23,510
What offends us is withholding
information from an investigation.
469
00:21:23,570 --> 00:21:25,710
If I go public with
my relationship with Karen,
470
00:21:25,770 --> 00:21:28,190
I jeopardize cases,
maybe even my career.
471
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,690
I wasn't about to do that.
Not when I had an alibi.
472
00:21:33,810 --> 00:21:36,560
Alec came over
about 5:00, 5:30.
473
00:21:37,490 --> 00:21:41,870
I made dinner. We took
a walk, read a bit,
474
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,000
and then turned in.
475
00:21:44,430 --> 00:21:46,000
And when did he leave?
476
00:21:46,060 --> 00:21:47,840
Around 10:00
the next morning.
477
00:21:48,730 --> 00:21:50,900
Can anyone else verify that?
478
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:54,170
I don't see why I should be
answering these questions.
479
00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:57,640
Because you've been noticed
as an alibi witness.
480
00:21:57,710 --> 00:22:00,740
That gives me the right to
verify Mr. Conroy's story.
481
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:04,520
Alec never loved that girl.
482
00:22:05,250 --> 00:22:06,550
So you know about the affair?
483
00:22:06,610 --> 00:22:08,690
I'm not a fool
Ms. Carmichael.
484
00:22:09,650 --> 00:22:13,150
I know there are things that Alec
wants that I can't give him.
485
00:22:13,850 --> 00:22:15,330
I've been with him 12 years.
486
00:22:16,790 --> 00:22:18,700
He always comes
back in the end.
487
00:22:20,890 --> 00:22:23,070
I understand he
reconciled with his wife.
488
00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:29,810
Alec was right about you.
489
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,650
Houston, isn't it?
490
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:36,220
Dallas.
So he's talked to you?
491
00:22:38,610 --> 00:22:40,960
If you think Alec was
in love with this girl,
492
00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:44,290
that he killed her because
of it, you're wrong.
493
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:47,290
Because he was with you, right?
494
00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:53,430
Have you ever seen Alec
in court, Ms. Carmichael?
495
00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:55,970
No, I haven't had the pleasure.
496
00:22:56,030 --> 00:22:57,300
Well, you should.
497
00:22:57,570 --> 00:22:59,200
Because then you would know,
498
00:23:00,130 --> 00:23:02,210
Alec Conroy doesn't
fear anything.
499
00:23:04,570 --> 00:23:06,570
She's lying,
Jack. I know it.
500
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,550
And the way she idolizes
Conroy, it's just creepy.
501
00:23:09,610 --> 00:23:11,350
Like he's got some
kind of hold over her.
502
00:23:11,850 --> 00:23:14,020
If what the police
are saying is true,
503
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,890
Conroy's been able to manipulate
an entire murder investigation.
504
00:23:17,950 --> 00:23:19,930
Why not an alibi witness?
505
00:23:20,890 --> 00:23:23,370
Anything turn up
with Marner's doormen?
506
00:23:23,420 --> 00:23:25,600
They can't confirm Conroy
was with her that night,
507
00:23:25,660 --> 00:23:27,800
but they can't
dispute it, either.
508
00:23:27,860 --> 00:23:30,670
Still leaves us without probable
cause for a search warrant.
509
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,470
But we might be getting close.
510
00:23:32,530 --> 00:23:35,280
The cops went over to
Conroy's apartment building.
511
00:23:35,340 --> 00:23:36,540
Anything?
512
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,120
There was no sighting
of him that night,
513
00:23:38,170 --> 00:23:39,880
but the concierge let it slip
514
00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:42,420
that a few days after
Karen Hall's murder
515
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,980
Mrs. Conroy sent down
specific instructions
516
00:23:45,050 --> 00:23:48,750
not to let Conroy up to the
apartment under any circumstances.
517
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,760
One month after he supposedly
broke off the affair,
518
00:23:52,820 --> 00:23:55,320
his wife suddenly bars him
from their apartment? Why?
519
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,400
She was afraid of somethin'.
520
00:23:57,460 --> 00:23:58,900
Or someone.
521
00:23:59,460 --> 00:24:00,910
But even if it's true,
they've reconciled.
522
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,770
I doubt she'll tell
us anything now.
523
00:24:02,860 --> 00:24:05,040
Maybe there's someone
else she'll talk to.
524
00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:11,170
SHORE: Alec is a suspect
in this girl's murder.
525
00:24:12,270 --> 00:24:15,380
It's not possible.
He wouldn't.
526
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,250
You must have
had some suspicion.
527
00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:19,780
Why else leave
specific instructions
528
00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:21,760
your husband not be
allowed into your home?
529
00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:23,730
Alec still had
his own apartment.
530
00:24:23,780 --> 00:24:26,790
JACK: You left the same instructions
at your children's school.
531
00:24:29,390 --> 00:24:30,600
Where are the kids?
532
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,440
With my parents.
533
00:24:34,090 --> 00:24:35,300
JACK: Why?
534
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:38,470
Are you afraid of your
husband, Mrs. Conroy?
535
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:42,640
I don't see how my relationship with
my husband is any of your business.
536
00:24:43,470 --> 00:24:44,540
Either of yours.
537
00:24:45,570 --> 00:24:47,350
This is very hard for me, too.
538
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,320
Alec and I worked
side by side every day.
539
00:24:52,150 --> 00:24:54,420
I respected him
and I trusted him.
540
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,220
But this is no good. We're not
going to be able to protect him.
541
00:24:58,690 --> 00:25:01,530
He's getting help, Isabel.
He really is trying this time.
542
00:25:01,590 --> 00:25:05,470
If he killed her, nothing
will ever be right again
543
00:25:05,530 --> 00:25:07,510
until he takes
responsibility for it.
544
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,770
How long can you keep your
children away, Mrs. Conroy?
545
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:22,580
We talked about
divorcing a few times.
546
00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:27,290
But this last time,
I'd really decided.
547
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:32,620
When I told him,
Alec just snapped.
548
00:25:33,490 --> 00:25:36,990
He started accusing this girl
of destroying our family.
549
00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:41,070
And the more I tried to
explain, the angrier he became.
550
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,400
I got so scared.
551
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:49,480
I thought if I went with Alec to
his therapist, it might be easier.
552
00:25:51,570 --> 00:25:53,020
That's when I found out.
553
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,080
Found out what, Mrs. Conroy?
554
00:25:59,450 --> 00:26:01,790
He had already decided
who was to blame.
555
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,860
Obviously I can't go into anything
concerning what Alec told me.
556
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,420
Mrs. Conroy indicated
that the three of you
557
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:12,800
discussed her husband's
affair with Karen Hall
558
00:26:12,860 --> 00:26:14,430
in a therapy session with you,
559
00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:18,970
and that in fact it was you who recommended
that they immediately separate.
560
00:26:19,970 --> 00:26:22,000
Deanne Conroy
wasn't my patient.
561
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:25,280
Well, you can at least verify
the accuracy of her statement.
562
00:26:25,910 --> 00:26:29,910
I suppose if she's already told you as
much, I don't see the harm in that.
563
00:26:29,980 --> 00:26:32,390
She also revealed the substance
of that therapy session,
564
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:34,620
and that she left it
with serious concerns
565
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,990
about the safety of Karen Hall.
566
00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:41,220
Now we're treading on
thinner ice here, Counselors.
567
00:26:41,290 --> 00:26:45,290
That information arises directly
out of my diagnosis of Mr. Conroy.
568
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,970
And when another woman turns
up missing, what then, Doctor?
569
00:26:48,030 --> 00:26:50,130
My obligation is to my patient.
570
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,710
I warned Ms. Hall.
571
00:26:52,770 --> 00:26:53,940
CARMICHAEL: You warned her?
572
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,010
I put it all in the letter.
There's nothing more I could do.
573
00:26:57,070 --> 00:26:58,550
What letter, Doctor?
574
00:27:01,010 --> 00:27:02,650
A Tarasoff letter.
575
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:05,420
You're familiar with it?
Regents v. Tarasoff.
576
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,190
A California case permitting a
psychiatrist to send a warning letter
577
00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:13,630
if he believes his patient constitutes
a threat to a third party.
578
00:27:13,690 --> 00:27:16,130
You say you got this copy
from Conroy's shrink?
579
00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:18,200
The original hasn't
turned up yet.
580
00:27:18,260 --> 00:27:21,400
Conroy probably took care of that
in the initial investigation.
581
00:27:21,460 --> 00:27:24,000
"It is my belief that
Mr. Conroy constitutes"
582
00:27:24,060 --> 00:27:26,240
"an immediate real
danger to you."
583
00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:27,640
That'd be Karen Hall.
584
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:29,580
LEWIN: "And possibly others."
585
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,740
Conroy's psychiatrist sent a
similar letter to Alice Marner.
586
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:35,050
And you say his wife was
in some of these sessions?
587
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:38,560
She used the therapist's office as a
safe haven to break it off with him.
588
00:27:38,610 --> 00:27:42,690
And this other woman Conroy's
supposed alibi what's her safe haven?
589
00:27:42,750 --> 00:27:45,200
We have her under
24-hour surveillance.
590
00:27:45,250 --> 00:27:47,760
Which is how we discovered
that Marner's late husband
591
00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:50,430
kept a 26-foot Grady White
in the boat basin,
592
00:27:50,490 --> 00:27:51,990
and she held onto it.
593
00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:53,370
Well, that's a
nice item to have.
594
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:55,960
I mean, if you need
to dispose of a body.
595
00:27:57,330 --> 00:27:59,810
We know you received a
letter just like this one.
596
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,240
Alec would never harm me.
597
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:05,340
Karen Hall made
the same assumption.
598
00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:07,320
CARMICHAEL: Ask yourself
this, Ms. Marner.
599
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,290
When this trial is over, and Alec
Conroy doesn't need you anymore,
600
00:28:11,380 --> 00:28:13,590
are you going to go out on
your boat with him again?
601
00:28:17,550 --> 00:28:18,830
We know all about it.
602
00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:22,060
Security from the marina told us
someone took your boat out that night.
603
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,840
It's one thing to provide an
alibi when you have doubts.
604
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:33,170
It's quite another when
you know the truth.
605
00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:34,910
JACK: It's called
accessory after the fact,
606
00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:37,880
and it makes you just as guilty
of the murder as Conroy.
607
00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:40,250
No man is worth
25 years in prison.
608
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,760
Alec called that night.
609
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:48,220
JACK: Where was he?
610
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,780
At a pay phone.
611
00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:51,160
JACK: What did he say?
612
00:28:52,090 --> 00:28:55,290
He said he needed my help.
He needed me.
613
00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:58,900
I asked him what was wrong.
Do I have to do this?
614
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,260
What did Conroy want from you?
615
00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:05,940
He just said he needed to use the boat.
To meet him at the marina.
616
00:29:06,530 --> 00:29:08,170
Were you on board?
617
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,410
He took the key.
618
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,370
Did he have anything with him?
619
00:29:15,780 --> 00:29:17,380
A duffel bag.
620
00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:20,690
A big one.
621
00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:25,220
MAN: Who's gonna
pay for all this?
622
00:29:25,290 --> 00:29:27,930
Hey, we got a warrant. Take it
up with the building manager.
623
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:29,090
Anything?
624
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,230
Floors have been refinished.
Place has been painted.
625
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,310
At 2800 for one bedroom, they
damn well better have painted it.
626
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,570
ED: Lennie...
627
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:39,740
There's something in the grouting.
It could be blood.
628
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,110
It'll take a second for
the Luminol to kick in.
629
00:29:43,170 --> 00:29:44,550
Hit the light,
would you, Detective?
630
00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:49,680
ED: That's blood.
631
00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:52,620
Huh. They should have
re-tiled the place, too.
632
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,680
Oh, that's it. They're
payin' for a hotel.
633
00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:57,150
All right, that's good,
that's good. I like that.
634
00:29:57,220 --> 00:29:58,220
But if you were to
take Ferguson...
635
00:29:58,290 --> 00:30:00,290
Game's over, boys and girls.
636
00:30:00,350 --> 00:30:01,830
Excuse me. What the
hell's goin' on here?
637
00:30:01,890 --> 00:30:04,490
Alec Conroy, you're under arrest
for the murder of Karen Hall.
638
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,560
Call my wife please. You have
the right to remain silent...
639
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:08,830
Excuse me. I know
my rights, thank you.
640
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:11,380
Oh, that's right. You used
to have one of these.
641
00:30:17,470 --> 00:30:20,920
"Docket 44937.
People v. Conroy."
642
00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:22,850
"Charge is Murder,
Second Degree."
643
00:30:22,910 --> 00:30:24,010
JUDGE: How does
the defendant plead?
644
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,850
Not guilty, on behalf
of Mr. Conroy.
645
00:30:25,910 --> 00:30:26,910
JUDGE: People on bail?
646
00:30:26,980 --> 00:30:29,860
The defendant is an Assistant Attorney
General in the Criminal Division,
647
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,330
and the victim was his
former lover and employee.
648
00:30:32,390 --> 00:30:34,920
Now, Your Honor, the People are
in possession of a letter dated
649
00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:37,560
shortly before the victim's
disappearance which indicates
650
00:30:37,620 --> 00:30:40,040
the defendant posed an immediate
physical threat to her.
651
00:30:40,090 --> 00:30:41,800
The letter's
totally inadmissible.
652
00:30:41,860 --> 00:30:43,710
His own psychiatrist will
attest to it, Your Honor.
653
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,000
Not in any court in this land.
654
00:30:45,070 --> 00:30:47,940
Motion to suppress the so-called Tarasoff
letter and anything that comes with it.
655
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:51,820
Bail's set at one million. Motion's
referred to the trial part.
656
00:30:51,870 --> 00:30:53,650
Spin the wheel, Louis.
657
00:30:54,170 --> 00:30:55,550
JUDGE CALLAHAN:
Damning stuff, Counselor.
658
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,280
I can understand why you wouldn't
want a jury to get wind of this.
659
00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:00,150
Every word in that letter
is hearsay, Your Honor,
660
00:31:00,210 --> 00:31:02,960
and is being offered to prove
the very matter asserted.
661
00:31:03,020 --> 00:31:04,930
The doctor can
confirm its contents.
662
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:08,130
Not unless my client is willing to
waive the doctor-patient privilege
663
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:10,100
which I can assure
you, he's not.
664
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,300
What about it,
Mr. McCoy?
665
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,360
Therapeutic privilege was shattered
by the presence of a third party.
666
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:19,070
Well, your office tried that same
argument in People v. Bierenbaum.
667
00:31:19,170 --> 00:31:21,240
It didn't work then,
doesn't work now.
668
00:31:21,330 --> 00:31:24,910
Your Honor, in Bierenbaum all we had were
witnesses who were willing to testify
669
00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:27,650
that the defendant told
them he was in therapy.
670
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:29,580
Here we have someone who was
actually in the session.
671
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,490
It was his wife, Your Honor.
672
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,290
Wife?
673
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:37,220
So if the psychological
privilege doesn't apply...
674
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,290
STAN: Then the spousal
prohibition does.
675
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:43,860
Spousal privilege precludes Mrs. Conroy's
testifying, not Conroy's psychiatrist.
676
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,240
Call it what you like. I'm not letting
the man's shrink violate the privilege
677
00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:50,040
because the man's wife
was in the same room.
678
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,170
And without the good doctor's
testimony, the letter is hearsay...
679
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:54,180
Relax, Stan.
The letter's out, too.
680
00:31:56,770 --> 00:32:00,050
Dr. Breitel, the letter and
his testimony are gone.
681
00:32:01,340 --> 00:32:03,150
What about the blood
in the apartment?
682
00:32:03,210 --> 00:32:05,920
Too contaminated
for any real analysis.
683
00:32:05,980 --> 00:32:07,080
The murder weapon?
684
00:32:07,150 --> 00:32:09,020
Conroy doesn't own
a registered handgun.
685
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,650
He could've gotten it anywhere.
686
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,560
He probably dropped it in the water
along with Karen Hall's body.
687
00:32:13,620 --> 00:32:15,120
Well, what does
that leave us with?
688
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:17,430
Alice Marner's testimony that
Conroy took her boat out
689
00:32:17,490 --> 00:32:19,270
that night with a duffel bag.
690
00:32:19,330 --> 00:32:23,070
We also have his attempt at a false alibi.
It's a roll of the dice.
691
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,070
(SIGHS) No.
692
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:28,810
I don't want to gamble
with a jilted mistress, Jack.
693
00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:37,350
A plea? You
can't be serious.
694
00:32:37,410 --> 00:32:39,690
Alec, let's hear them out at least.
Hear what out?
695
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:42,590
Without Dr. Breitel, all you've
got is circumstantial evidence.
696
00:32:42,650 --> 00:32:44,390
We all know how juries
hate to convict on that.
697
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:46,120
And yet sometimes they do.
698
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:48,530
Trust me this one won't.
699
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:51,660
They might after they learn about
all the blood in that bathroom.
700
00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:54,170
From what I understand
from your forensic report,
701
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:56,830
the blood couldn't be typed.
It was too contaminated?
702
00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:59,470
STAN: Alec... I remember reading
somewhere that bleach can do that.
703
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,440
Aren't you forgetting about a large duffel
bag you were carrying that evening?
704
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,210
Oh, the one that Alice
never actually looked into?
705
00:33:06,270 --> 00:33:08,380
It's in my closet. I can
bring it in, if you'd like.
706
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,150
Of course, it could be
one that just looks like it.
707
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,760
Any event, I doubt Alice will be able
to tell the difference either way.
708
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:16,920
We also have a
witness in the marina.
709
00:33:16,980 --> 00:33:19,430
ALEC: A witness to what?
A late night cruise?
710
00:33:20,050 --> 00:33:22,530
Do you know how many times
I've taken that boat out? Hmm?
711
00:33:22,590 --> 00:33:24,660
Even when Alice's
husband was alive?
712
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,260
You don't seriously
expect to walk on this?
713
00:33:28,860 --> 00:33:31,670
I understand you've
never seen me in court.
714
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,940
Consider this a preview.
715
00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:35,910
Stan.
716
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,090
Miss Hall was last seen by Ms. Cofresta
at approximately 4:00 p.m.
717
00:33:51,150 --> 00:33:53,560
She had indicated that she was
going to be staying in the city.
718
00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:58,370
What about the witness who originally
placed Ms. Hall in Albany?
719
00:33:58,890 --> 00:34:00,930
He's since retracted
that identification.
720
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,310
Thank you.
Nothing further.
721
00:34:07,870 --> 00:34:10,470
To your knowledge,
was Mr. Conroy seen
722
00:34:10,540 --> 00:34:12,210
with the deceased the
night of her disappearance?
723
00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:13,410
Uh, no.
724
00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:15,820
And Mr. Conroy has admitted
that he and Ms. Hall
725
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,180
were having an
affair, has he not?
726
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:18,520
ED: I believe he has, yes.
727
00:34:18,580 --> 00:34:22,530
Well, do you know of any fact...
Fact, Detective,
728
00:34:22,580 --> 00:34:25,290
that would contradict his assertion
that the affair had ended?
729
00:34:25,350 --> 00:34:26,420
No.
730
00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:28,590
In fact, the only
evidence on the issue
731
00:34:28,660 --> 00:34:33,070
is that Mr. Conroy returned to his
wife following a legal separation.
732
00:34:33,130 --> 00:34:36,470
Actually, I think he made a few stops
before he went back to his wife.
733
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,540
Ha-ha. Nothing further.
734
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,880
ALICE: I've known Alec
for 12 years.
735
00:34:44,070 --> 00:34:46,910
JACK: You described your relationship
with the defendant as passionate.
736
00:34:47,940 --> 00:34:51,250
Passionate. Supportive.
737
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:53,190
Supportive, how?
738
00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:55,990
Alec was not a man
who found it easy to
739
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:58,760
let his guard down with others.
740
00:35:00,290 --> 00:35:01,630
With me, it was different.
741
00:35:01,690 --> 00:35:04,260
He trusted me.
He confided in me.
742
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,070
JACK: And that night,
he confided in you?
743
00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:08,430
Alec asked for my help.
744
00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:11,740
He needed to use the boat.
745
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,470
JACK: Those were his
words? "Use the boat?"
746
00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:15,640
Yes, and I let him.
747
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,810
I let him throw that
girl's body into the river.
748
00:35:20,210 --> 00:35:22,280
STAN: Objection.
JUDGE: Sustained.
749
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,750
JACK: Thank you.
Nothing further.
750
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,490
Twelve years is a long time
to know a man, isn't it?
751
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:32,790
And you are
752
00:35:33,850 --> 00:35:36,200
fond of Alec Conroy,
aren't you?
753
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,300
I've been in love with Alec
Conroy since the day we met.
754
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:41,930
And I still am.
755
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:45,680
And you've testified that this man who
you've known and loved for nearly 12 years,
756
00:35:45,730 --> 00:35:48,440
who confided in you,
trusted you,
757
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:51,450
called and asked if
he could use your boat?
758
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:52,680
ALICE: Yes.
759
00:35:53,540 --> 00:35:55,450
In the dead of winter.
760
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:59,620
And this man who so trusted you and
relied on you gave no reason why.
761
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,350
He just said he needed help.
762
00:36:01,450 --> 00:36:04,120
STAN: He offered no explanation,
and you didn't ask him why?
763
00:36:04,450 --> 00:36:05,660
ALICE: No.
764
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,200
You just met him at the boat.
765
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,160
Yes.
766
00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:12,030
And you claimed
that when he showed up,
767
00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:15,370
he was carrying a duffel bag,
and still you didn't ask why?
768
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,300
ALICE: No.
769
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:27,480
You didn't meet Alec Conroy at
the boat that night, did you?
770
00:36:28,780 --> 00:36:30,020
I don't understand.
771
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,960
Oh, you went to the boat all right, but
you met him at his apartment, didn't you?
772
00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:34,590
No, I did not.
773
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,590
You met him at the apartment that
he had rented for the two of you.
774
00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:40,120
Only you weren't invited.
775
00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:44,660
And when you showed up to see your lover of
12 years in the arms of this young girl...
776
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,100
What are you trying to do?
777
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,570
STAN: Your late husband owned
a .22 caliber handgun,
778
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:50,230
did he not, Mrs. Marner?
ALICE: Alec...
779
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:52,330
STAN: You're the one who killed
that woman that night, aren't you?
780
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,540
No! The wife posed no threat.
781
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,410
But this one, she did.
This young sensuous woman.
782
00:36:58,470 --> 00:37:00,350
Objection.
Overruled.
783
00:37:00,710 --> 00:37:03,050
You killed her, and then
you asked Alec Conroy,
784
00:37:03,110 --> 00:37:06,220
the man you love, the man
you trust, to help you.
785
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,660
In fact, you counted on the 12 years
of control that you had had over him.
786
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:10,890
Control I had?
787
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:13,330
Yeah, and it worked. Because
rather than turn you in,
788
00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:16,030
rather than fulfill his
obligations as a prosecutor
789
00:37:16,090 --> 00:37:18,830
he took pity on you, didn't he?
790
00:37:18,890 --> 00:37:21,300
Helped you get rid
of Miss Hall's body?
791
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,740
That never happened. Never!
792
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,170
Your boat, Mrs. Marner.
793
00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:29,740
Your boat, your gun,
your jealousy.
794
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,290
Should've seen it coming.
How could we?
795
00:37:38,350 --> 00:37:42,120
The gun was registered to Marner's
late husband in Florida, not New York.
796
00:37:43,050 --> 00:37:44,690
You think the jury
will see through that?
797
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:47,760
Gillum doesn't need to
prove the Marner scenario.
798
00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:51,530
He just has to get one juror to
buy himself reasonable doubt.
799
00:37:51,590 --> 00:37:54,330
Which he can do because they will
never see the Tarasoff letter.
800
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:59,280
To a lawyer like Gillum, that letter isn't
a fact, it's just an annoying detail.
801
00:38:00,070 --> 00:38:02,510
This guy leaves his wife,
he takes two lovers,
802
00:38:02,570 --> 00:38:05,610
and he still has the sanctity of
marital privilege to protect him.
803
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,480
Except he didn't
just leave his wife.
804
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,690
When Gillum crossed
Green he said...
805
00:38:16,750 --> 00:38:18,320
They were legally separated.
806
00:38:19,590 --> 00:38:21,900
Another one of those
annoying details.
807
00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:27,570
I was under the impression
I'd already ruled on this.
808
00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:30,010
The Tarasoff letter,
the shrink's testimony.
809
00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:32,100
It's a non-starter,
Jack.
810
00:38:32,170 --> 00:38:34,980
We're agreed that if Mr. Conroy
had uttered his threats
811
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:36,840
to his psychiatrist
and a third party,
812
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:38,280
the privilege would
have been shattered?
813
00:38:38,340 --> 00:38:42,180
We've been down this path. The
so-called third party was his wife.
814
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:46,120
Only they were legally separated at
the time, not just living apart.
815
00:38:46,610 --> 00:38:50,560
Page 36 of your cross-examination
of Detective Green, Stan.
816
00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:51,790
A legal separation?
817
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,850
They filed an agreement
with the court.
818
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,660
STAN: A distinction
without a difference.
819
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,760
Your Honor, once an
agreement has been filed,
820
00:38:58,830 --> 00:39:00,600
one spouse can go
out and have an affair,
821
00:39:00,660 --> 00:39:03,230
and legally the other spouse can't
use it as grounds for divorce.
822
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:04,970
I'd say that's a
pretty big difference.
823
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:07,810
JUDGE: So you're claiming now that
marital privilege doesn't apply
824
00:39:07,870 --> 00:39:10,070
because the sanctity of
marriage no longer existed?
825
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:13,510
In the eyes of the law, Deanne
Conroy was a third party.
826
00:39:13,570 --> 00:39:17,610
Ergo, her presence in therapy
nullifies the therapeutic privilege.
827
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:19,020
Your Honor...
828
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,920
JUDGE: Stan,
look at it this way.
829
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:25,090
If the jury convicts, you'll have
a hell of an issue on appeal.
830
00:39:26,050 --> 00:39:27,550
The letter's in,
the shrink's in.
831
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:37,840
Doctor, please read
the highlighted portion
832
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:40,640
in the third full
paragraph on page two.
833
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,440
DR. BREITEL: "In the light
of this, Ms. Hall",
834
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:45,980
"I believe that Mr. Conroy
should be considered"
835
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,420
"an immediate and
very real physical threat."
836
00:39:50,810 --> 00:39:52,720
What was the basis
for your opinion?
837
00:39:52,780 --> 00:39:55,230
Mr. Conroy
suffers from CDR.
838
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,350
Control Domination Response.
839
00:39:57,420 --> 00:39:58,730
In lay terms?
840
00:39:58,790 --> 00:40:01,270
He needs to feel that
everything in his life,
841
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,320
especially the people
in his life,
842
00:40:03,390 --> 00:40:06,500
are under his
control, domination.
843
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,010
JACK: Specifically? DR. BREITEL:
Just look at the women in his life.
844
00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:15,340
Devoted wife, widowed
mistress, aspiring employee.
845
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,750
All of them share a vulnerability
to him A dependence.
846
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:23,810
When Mr. Conroy realized he could
no longer control Ms. Hall,
847
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,590
you can see how her defiance
could be perceived by him
848
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:31,420
as jeopardizing more than
just their relationship.
849
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,620
Did he say he was
going to kill Ms. Hall?
850
00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:36,790
He said he wanted to.
851
00:40:38,660 --> 00:40:40,000
And I believed him.
852
00:40:41,590 --> 00:40:42,870
JACK: Nothing further.
853
00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:48,970
Man one on the table, McCoy?
854
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,710
You've gotta be kidding.
855
00:40:50,770 --> 00:40:52,440
So what is?
JACK: Murder two.
856
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:55,780
I can get that after trial.
857
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,480
Not with a promise
of 20-to-life.
858
00:40:57,540 --> 00:40:59,720
Oh, you're going to knock
five years off the bottom?
859
00:40:59,780 --> 00:41:02,020
And we take no
position on parole.
860
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,990
You might just see
the light of day again.
861
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,560
(SCOFFS) The light of day.
862
00:41:07,620 --> 00:41:10,190
Do you know how many times I sat
on the other side of this table
863
00:41:10,260 --> 00:41:12,330
and said those same
words to a defendant?
864
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:13,890
Now or never, Mr. Conroy.
865
00:41:14,490 --> 00:41:17,810
The ticking clock.
Always an effective strategy.
866
00:41:22,170 --> 00:41:23,610
You've got your plea, McCoy.
867
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:24,980
JACK: You'll have to allocute.
868
00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:27,550
Oh, is that really necessary?
869
00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:31,180
For months, Karen Hall's family has been
plagued by questions of how and why.
870
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:33,590
We're not leaving this room
until your client answers them.
871
00:41:33,810 --> 00:41:34,810
(WHISPERS) You don't have to.
872
00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:36,420
It's okay.
873
00:41:37,580 --> 00:41:42,330
You know, this may come as a big surprise
to all of you, but I loved Karen.
874
00:41:42,990 --> 00:41:45,700
Killing someone's a pretty sick
way of saying "I love you."
875
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:53,840
When I first met Karen, she was just
another local girl in cheap shoes.
876
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,610
She didn't know the first thing
about being a professional,
877
00:41:56,670 --> 00:42:02,210
about talking like one, or like dressing
like one, or like thinking like one.
878
00:42:03,010 --> 00:42:04,580
I was the one who
taught her that.
879
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,060
And then you betrayed her.
880
00:42:06,110 --> 00:42:08,350
ALEC: No, that was
her choice, not mine.
881
00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:11,920
I was willing to give up my
wife and my children for her.
882
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:15,290
She just couldn't
appreciate the sacrifice.
883
00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:18,400
So then?
884
00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:20,600
So then I called her
late that afternoon
885
00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:23,470
and told her I had some new
information about the case.
886
00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:28,010
She was reluctant about
coming over to the apartment,
887
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,110
but I told her it would
just be a few minutes.
888
00:42:31,770 --> 00:42:34,220
But I could tell in her voice
she didn't want to come.
889
00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:35,450
But she did.
890
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:37,850
Loyalty to the job,
Ms. Carmichael.
891
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:40,480
I taught her that, too.
892
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:42,720
Where'd you get the gun?
893
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:44,780
Alice's, a few weeks before.
894
00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:46,460
What happened after
Ms. Hall got there?
895
00:42:47,090 --> 00:42:49,230
ALEC: At first,
we talked about work.
896
00:42:49,290 --> 00:42:51,740
I wanted her to think everything
was going to be okay.
897
00:42:52,290 --> 00:42:55,330
But then I brought up the
relationship, and Karen said
898
00:42:56,130 --> 00:42:59,700
she was uncomfortable with the subject.
That it was over.
899
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,110
She started putting on her coat.
I told her to sit down.
900
00:43:05,170 --> 00:43:07,780
She said I couldn't tell
her what to do anymore.
901
00:43:09,180 --> 00:43:12,380
So I reached for her,
and she pulled away.
902
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:19,500
And she said that the thought of her
being touched by me again made her sick.
903
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:22,890
That's when she saw the gun.
904
00:43:24,590 --> 00:43:28,060
She gave me this look like
she knew she'd gone too far.
905
00:43:29,460 --> 00:43:31,340
Why not just let her walk away?
906
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,670
ALEC: I couldn't.
907
00:43:33,870 --> 00:43:36,970
Karen should have known
I could never do that.
908
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,550
Now she does.
909
00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:51,620
Background checks,
press coverage,
910
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,760
and with all that, Alec
Conroy was a heartbeat away
911
00:43:53,820 --> 00:43:56,990
from one of the most powerful jobs
in the criminal justice system.
912
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,560
(EXHALES) What
a frightening thought.
74699
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