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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,400 PHONE RINGING 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,440 Police, what's the emergency? Armed police officers! 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,840 NARRATOR: Elite police units created to crack the toughest of cases. 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,840 My role is investigating serious and organised crime. 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,680 This was out of the ordinary and this was a high-pressure situation. 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,440 Hey, hey.Calm yourself down. 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,560 Their task, tackle the villains... 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,640 You're locked up on suspicion of murder. All right? 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,280 ..and bring them to justice. 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:28,960 A real who did it? 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,320 With unique access to some of Britain's most talented detectives, 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,640 we explore for the first time their investigations... 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,680 I've spent years putting together all these tiny pieces of evidence. 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:41,920 ..their methods... 15 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,480 The most bizarre investigation I've been involved in. 16 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,600 ..and the evidence that's put some of the UK's most dangerous criminals 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,320 behind bars. 18 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,920 They are clever. And they're dangerous. 19 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,800 PHONE RINGING 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,200 Police emergency. 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,400 This story really goes back to 2021. It was just a friendship. 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,760 And that friendship initially was described as platonic. 23 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,400 And then it slowly developed into something more. 24 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,760 So on the coffee table in the house, there was a note. 25 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,440 And on that note was his plan for the year. 26 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,920 One of those plans on there was to get together with Keith's partner 27 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:26,320 before Valentine's Day. 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,840 Relationships are tricky to navigate at the best of times, 29 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,440 but not everybody turns their passion into a deadly obsession. 30 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,640 He was absolutely obsessed with her and I strongly believe that he'd 31 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,920 gone out that night with the intention of drinking, which he did. 32 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:44,160 Building up the courage to do something and had armed himself with 33 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,960 a knife and was intent on killing Keith to remove him from 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,680 the equation. 35 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,720 Love can make you blind and sometimes turn a mind to murder. 36 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,280 The offence happened about 37 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:57,760 15 minutes before Valentine's Day. 38 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,040 It was quarter to midnight. 39 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:00,400 This was mid-February. 40 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,760 It was dark, cold, wet. 41 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,520 They actually laid in wait for him and then they brutally attacked him 42 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,560 using a severe degree of force with knives. 43 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,360 No doubt, a frenzied attack and they just left him for dead. 44 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,600 Keith had no chance whatsoever. 45 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,040 Keith Green, the victim, was a resident of Banbury, 46 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,520 located by the River Cherwell on the edge of the Cotswolds. 47 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,840 Banbury is a market town in north Oxfordshire. 48 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,840 It's got about 50,000 people living there. 49 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,480 It's still one of those places where lots of people know 50 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:35,840 everybody else. 51 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,280 I'm Tom Seaward. 52 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,760 I was a court reporter at the Oxford Mail at the time. 53 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,120 Banbury, like anywhere really, in the UK, 54 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,200 has a problem with knife crime, often drug-related knife crime. 55 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,920 But certainly you don't get a murder every other day. 56 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,520 It's not that sort of town. This was an unusual crime for Banbury. 57 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:54,960 My name is John Capps. 58 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,040 I'm a detective superintendent with Thames Valley Police Major 59 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,280 Crime Unit. 60 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,680 Major Crime, we investigate murders, homicides, unexplained deaths. 61 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,480 It's always really challenging. 62 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,280 No two days are ever the same. 63 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,760 And nothing surprises me any more in this job. 64 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,400 But nevertheless, this was an unusual case. 65 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,200 PHONE RINGING 66 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,320 Police emergency. 67 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,680 Police received 999 calls reporting someone has been attacked close to 68 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,960 the town centre. 69 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,840 Detective Superintendent John Capps and team are on call that night. 70 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,080 With any murder investigation in that stage, there is a lot going on 71 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,400 and you've got to try and get some order from the chaos and set some 72 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,240 priorities to get the appropriate people where they need to go very, 73 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,560 very quickly. 74 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,960 Detective Constable Chris Hatton is assigned as case officer. 75 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,760 I'd never been to Banbury for an offence like this before. 76 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,680 I'd been working in the major crime department for about five years. 77 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,800 When we found out the murder had come in, 78 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,760 instantly, you had to drop everything. 79 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,840 I had to go and deploy up to Banbury. 80 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,600 Before I set off, I'd already found out that I was going to be a case 81 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,440 officer for it, so I already knew roughly what to expect before 82 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:08,720 I arrived. 83 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,560 And then turned up, met everyone else who was up there and prepared 84 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:12,800 for a briefing. 85 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,480 With a potential murder on their doorstep, 86 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,760 Thames Valley Major Crime Unit launch Operation Inuit. 87 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,640 At the scene, victim Keith Green is found dead. 88 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,760 So we had Keith Green, who'd been stabbed to death in his back garden 89 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,200 outside a shed or an outbuilding. 90 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,840 Keith Green was a family man. 91 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,400 He was 40 years old. 92 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,840 By trade, he was a carpenter. 93 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,560 He also loved tinkering around in his garage. 94 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,720 He had two children with the partner who he lived with at that house. 95 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,320 The community was shocked and quite quickly people were paying tribute. 96 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,720 We were initially told 97 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,280 that his partner had gone down 98 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,040 there and called the ambulance 99 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,560 and that he was deceased at 100 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:05,760 the scene. 101 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,480 Because of the time of night and the location, being at a private 102 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,840 residence, there obviously wasn't many eyewitnesses. 103 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,640 The whole area was cordoned off and we had forensic teams in. 104 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,720 With the crime scene and house under forensic lockdown, 105 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,680 officers take a witness account from the victim's distraught partner, 106 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,040 Louise Green. 107 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,320 It's a delicate process. 108 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,800 There was quite a lot happening at the scene. 109 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:38,600 There was a lot of people living within it. 110 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,920 It was quite a tightly-packed family home. 111 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,000 We also had the dynamic of the other people in the address. 112 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,160 There were eight children in total who had to be moved out into a hotel 113 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,160 and who'd been present at the address when this had taken place. 114 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,400 Are any of those children witnesses? 115 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,680 And straight away, you know there's going to be significant partnership 116 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,400 involvement from social care. 117 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,720 And that just adds another dynamic to what you've got to consider. 118 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,960 Thames Valley officers Stephanie Chase and Alice Walker are the next 119 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,360 to join the investigative team in the sensitive role of FLO. 120 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,760 The FLO is a family liaison officer and the role is to provide a link 121 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,240 between the investigation team and the family. 122 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:23,320 We are placed within the family to build that relationship with them, 123 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,480 build trust with them, but our main role remains that of 124 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,200 an investigator. 125 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,400 And families often have lots of information 126 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,840 that's imperative to an investigation, 127 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,120 whether that be a victim's routine or information about 128 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,320 their associates. 129 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,120 So it's to gather that kind of information and process that, as 130 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,440 well, as giving them the information about the investigation and what's 131 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,120 happening and then supporting them through that. 132 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,640 So I'd come to work as normal that morning and I knew very quickly that 133 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,040 there had been a murder on the area that we cover in the early hours and 134 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,200 I was asked to pick up the role of family liaison officer. 135 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,400 Alice was the second FLO on this case. 136 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,520 This was actually my first deployment as a FLO, 137 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,800 so I was a bit apprehensive, but I was told that Steph Chase was going 138 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:09,880 to be the other FLO on it. 139 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,760 There was already somebody in place who'd had that initial contact with 140 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:13,960 the family. 141 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,440 We didn't know a lot at that point. 142 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,480 It had only been a few hours since the incident. 143 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,320 It's busy, you know, there's a lot going on. 144 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,240 So in those first moments, we're sort of just briefed and it's 145 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,760 working out who the family are, the family dynamic and what can we share 146 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,640 with them in those initial stages? 147 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:35,520 Back at the crime scene, the investigation picks up pace. 148 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,320 So officers who attended the scene were wearing body-worn cameras 149 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,000 and one of the things that was caught on body-worn is a witness 150 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,160 coming up to one of the officers and providing a name. 151 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:46,640 He'd seen him entering. 152 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,560 He provided the name Mark Widows. 153 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,560 This was corrected by Keith's partner and she told the officers 154 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,560 that the correct name was Mark Meadows. 155 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,000 What he told the officers at the time was that he'd seen Mark 156 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,200 Meadows' van parked out the front of the property, 157 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,520 so he hadn't seen Mark Meadows himself, but he'd seen his vehicle. 158 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,400 So, initially I went out to see the victim's partner and the family. 159 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,960 She and the children had been relocated to a nearby hotel. 160 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,320 She was obviously very upset. 161 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,600 She was trying to deal with looking after the children and trying to 162 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:35,960 work out what was going on. 163 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,960 It was a sort of fast-moving and emotional situation. 164 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,680 Louise, the partner, provides a crucial early breakthrough. 165 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:00,600 She had been at the Pepper Pot Pub, the previous evening to play bingo 166 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,520 and two people she knew were there, Mark Meadows and Travis Gorton. 167 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,640 She was quite drunk that evening 168 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:21,720 and when she came to leave the pub, Mark gave her a lift home. 169 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,000 And when she got home a short time later, 170 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,880 she became aware of something in the garden and someone telling her to 171 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,480 phone an ambulance and then came to find Keith on the floor in the 172 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,080 garden and performed CPR. 173 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,600 Now police have names, they need to act fast. 174 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,200 For a murder investigation, it really is a race against time. 175 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,520 That first hour after it's been reported to us is often referred to 176 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:11,840 as the golden hour. It's really important. 177 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,000 The sooner you get suspects into custody, the better, because you 178 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,280 maximise the evidence you're going to get from them. 179 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,120 You reduce any likelihood they're going to dispose of property or they 180 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,320 may be on the run. 181 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,760 Mark and his brother Travis were nominated as suspects for murder. 182 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,680 We had reason to believe both of them were in possession of knives 183 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,080 and had used those knives, so that immediately make them dangerous and 184 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,200 poses a risk to others. 185 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:38,640 Within an hour, John and the Special Ops arrest team are on the move. 186 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:42,200 So an arming authority was given to our armed response crews. 187 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,680 The addresses surrounding it, contained. 188 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,800 And effectively, they were called out of the address and arrested 189 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,080 at gunpoint. 190 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,040 A Thames Valley Police Armed Response Unit has been tasked 191 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,400 to apprehend two dangerous murder suspects. 192 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,440 Officers had got to them so quickly that one of them was barely out of 193 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:40,480 the shower. 194 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,040 Thames Valley Police have made two arrests for the murder of 195 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,960 40-year-old Keith Green. 196 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,680 The custody process is always really challenging. 197 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,440 They'll set a strategy around how they're going to approach 198 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:06,600 those interviews. 199 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,040 Mark, I think, was interviewed probably seven or eight times 200 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,640 over the course of the time he was in custody with us. 201 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,200 And that was a no-comment interview throughout and this may be over 202 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,200 simplistic, but if you haven't done it, 203 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,080 I think you'd be shouting from the rooftops that you hadn't done it. 204 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,440 And Travis gave this account where he said he'd got back into the van 205 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,280 after being at the pub and pretty much fallen asleep straight away. 206 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,960 He doesn't remember going to Keith's house. 207 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,480 He states he was asleep and when he woke up, he arrived at Mark's house. 208 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,480 Which is utter nonsense. 209 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,040 But we've got to disprove that. 210 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:42,800 When you have people in custody for murder, 211 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,800 there's a lot of pressure to make sure they don't walk out of the door 212 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,840 because if they do, then that creates all sorts of further issues. 213 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,520 With the two potential perps in custody for up to 24 hours... 214 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,160 ..police are going through their homes and belongings. 215 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,360 We'll have the licensed search officers in very early and they'll 216 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:06,480 do their big search. 217 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,000 They get the information that they've got at the time, and know 218 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,440 roughly what they're looking for. 219 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,640 So for example, they'll have been looking for knives. 220 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:15,360 But as the investigation develops, they get fed more information, 221 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:16,960 just as we learn more, they learn it. 222 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,600 Having reviewed it, will go in and look for just those extra things 223 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,360 that might not have been found. 224 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,680 The searches seem to strike gold. 225 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,240 I took a phone call from the crime scene manager to say that we've 226 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:29,680 recovered a knife. 227 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,680 Just outside the property next to his van, 228 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,280 next to the passenger door was a knife in a grate in a storm drain. 229 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:35,520 So that was quite visible. 230 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,320 And then when they moved into the house, 231 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,040 they found a knife in a speaker. 232 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,040 So we say that Mark had taken the speaker apart, 233 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,080 unscrewed it and then hidden a knife, his trainers, which had blood 234 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,760 on them and then effectively put the speaker back together again. 235 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,320 There was evidence that they'd both taken a shower. 236 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,920 Again, we would say to get rid of the blood on them and their clothing 237 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,240 and some evidence that the washing machine had been on pretty recently. 238 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,960 There was a towel with blood on. 239 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,360 There was lots of clothing that they'd obviously worn that evening. 240 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,160 They were described as having blood on them. 241 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,520 Obviously we couldn't prove at that point it was Keith's, 242 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,960 but finding a knife with blood on and trainers with blood on, 243 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,840 it makes you think you've definitely got the right people at that point. 244 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,600 We did think it could be a breakthrough. 245 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,000 While suspicious, all the items need to be checked by 246 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,560 forensic specialists. 247 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,440 If linked to Meadows, it could make or break the case. 248 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,360 Keith's body also has a surprise for investigators. 249 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,160 When the ambulance crews were dealing with the deceased male, 250 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,280 they moved him and they found a mobile phone underneath him, 251 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,640 which we identified by sending it off to our digital forensic unit and 252 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,440 they did a download of the phone. 253 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,280 We were able to say that the phone next to Keith was Mark's, 254 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:45,680 which was a big step. 255 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,080 It transpired that in whatever had taken place, that the fight, the 256 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,640 assault, Mark Meadows had dropped his phone. 257 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,080 So his phone was there, underneath Keith's body, 258 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,720 which was really important evidence to place him there. 259 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,040 And it also gave a lot of his contact with various people. 260 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,120 We were able to look through that and see if there was any planning. 261 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,520 While the items discovered are forensicated, 262 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,760 the pathology report drops onto John Capp's desk. 263 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,800 The cause of death was a stab wound to the heart, which had pierced 264 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,240 Keith's heart. 265 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,920 The degree of force used was severe. 266 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,440 The fatal injury also broke a rib, 267 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,080 but there were in total eight stab wounds to his body. 268 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,480 The pathology report that comes through has information on the 269 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:29,600 knife wounds. 270 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:30,920 From the nature of a knife wound, 271 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,320 the way it cuts, it's actually quite difficult for them to get 100% 272 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,360 that a knife has caused a specific injury. 273 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,520 But what they were able to do is they were able to test the knives 274 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,280 and see if they would actually fit within those stab wounds. 275 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,960 And they were able to say on our report that one of the knives 276 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,600 would have been able to make all of the stab wounds, but the other 277 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,280 knife would have only been able to make a few of the stab wounds. 278 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,320 A picture of what seems to have happened the night before 279 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,040 Valentine's begins to emerge. 280 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,920 It's no love match. 281 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,600 What we understood to have happened was that Mark and Travis 282 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,640 had gained entry to the property, gone to the bottom of the garden 283 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,720 and effectively laid in wait for Keith, knowing full well that he 284 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,000 would walk down to the bottom of the garden. 285 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,800 And this was mid-February. 286 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,560 It was dark, cold, wet. 287 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,520 Keith would have no idea whatsoever that they were down there 288 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,200 and then they brutally attacked him with knives and left him for dead. 289 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,680 After three days in custody, police feel they have enough initial 290 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,840 evidence to charge the two suspects. 291 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,240 They were in custody in the very early hours of Monday the 14th and 292 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,840 we charged them both on Thursday the 17th. 293 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,480 It's then officers can get to work 294 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,880 and with the phones finally unlocked, 295 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,800 begin to wade through reams of data in the hopes of finding enough 296 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,920 evidence to connect the crime to the two men. 297 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,280 It takes weeks to unravel. 298 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,240 Phones are increasingly important in murder investigations. 299 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,320 They continually provide more and more information as time goes on. 300 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:06,440 I'm Portia Whiffin and I'm an intelligence analyst in Major Crime 301 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,400 at Thames Valley Police. 302 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,000 Phones are essentially like a computer now. 303 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,200 They hold everyone's information, so therefore they hold a wealth of 304 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,280 information, sometimes directly relating to an offence, 305 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,080 be that the planning or in the aftermath of an offence, 306 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:25,120 but also it gives a good picture as to the lifestyle of the individuals 307 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,760 whose phone that is. 308 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:31,320 So an intelligence analyst will look at things like cell site data, 309 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:34,880 information from a handset of a phone and pull that all together, 310 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,200 alongside things like the CCTV, to try and understand a timeline of 311 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,320 what has happened. 312 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:42,840 Because we had two suspects in custody already, 313 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,200 my priority was looking at where they were at the time of the murder. 314 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,280 So initially, we started with identifying phone numbers for those 315 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,960 individuals and looking at some cell site analysis. 316 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,240 One set of messages were a revelation. 317 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,040 They involved the dead man's partner, Louise. 318 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,800 We weren't expecting that and it was quite clear that they were in some 319 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,960 sort of relationship. 320 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,280 And those messages went back quite a significant period of time, 321 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,160 until at least the summer before the murder had taken place, 322 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:17,240 which was quite surprising and that was just what I could see, kind of, 323 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:22,000 immediately without delving too deep into the phone download. 324 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,000 So it was quite clear there was a relationship going on and we had to 325 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,720 consider whether she actually needed to be treated as a suspect in this 326 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,120 investigation, rather than a witness. 327 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,440 I was always concerned with her. 328 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,280 She was treated as a witness initially and that was the right 329 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,200 thing to do because we had no evidence to say she was involved. 330 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,520 But the dynamic had always been there between this love triangle 331 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,600 and that was something that she eventually told us, 332 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,760 was that she was having a relationship with Mark 333 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,160 and that Keith was aware of that and there was tension between them. 334 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:20,280 It's weeks of painstaking work, piecing it all together. 335 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,360 What we then found from other people's phones was the evidence 336 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,360 that Mark had been making plans to effectively get rid of Keith. 337 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,960 They just wanted rid and he hadn't taken any hints about leaving. 338 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,720 Also a priority when we were looking at that phone 339 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,840 was to look at any messaging between Mark and Travis. 340 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:51,520 We were able to identify some messages with Travis, where they 341 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,160 appeared to be planning a fight with Keith Green. 342 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,960 On the afternoon of the offence, prior to the offence taking place, 343 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,920 there was some messaging where Mark had said if Keith wouldn't leave, 344 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,040 he could make it so that he wouldn't come back. 345 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,160 And following those messages, he then messaged his brother, 346 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,920 a few minutes later, saying, "I'm in the mood to fight today." 347 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,240 And then there was a conversation between him and his brother 348 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,800 around the fact that Travis was also up for a fight. 349 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,160 But was it going to be a fight or an ambush? 350 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,360 So what we know has happened is a build-up of tension between Mark and 351 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:34,000 Keith, culminating in this kind of crescendo of incidents or feelings 352 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,840 from Mark Meadows, who was absolutely obsessed with her. 353 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,480 I strongly believe that he'd gone out that night with the intention 354 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,680 of drinking, which he did, building up the courage to do something 355 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,040 and had armed himself with a knife and was intent on killing Keith to 356 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,800 remove him from the equation. 357 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,040 Just over a month after the murder of Keith Green, 358 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,640 Thames Valley Major Crime Unit arrest his partner, Louise Grieve. 359 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,360 Murder investigations can change in scale quite rapidly. 360 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,120 And this one did. 361 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,240 It was a bit unusual that Keith's partner had become a suspect. 362 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,000 I'd never seen it happen like that. 363 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,560 She started off as the reporting party and she was being supported 364 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,720 by family liaison officers as a witness. 365 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,960 Suddenly, she's turned around and she's one of the suspects of 366 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,200 the investigation. 367 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,200 The fact that she was in a relationship with Keith and in a 368 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,160 relationship with Mark wasn't a surprise, 369 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,360 because she'd actually told us at the scene. 370 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,960 But the actual extent of the relationship was quite a surprise 371 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,640 when you looked at the phones. 372 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,920 It seemed clear she'd been playing Keith and Mark off against 373 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,720 each other. 374 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,240 So those messages led to her identification 375 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,320 as playing a central role in all of this, in her manipulation of others. 376 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,600 You've spent time building up trust with them, building up those lines 377 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,080 of communication and for them to be then a suspect, 378 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:49,200 that whole dynamic changes because they can no longer be approached in 379 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,440 the same way. 380 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,320 The victim's partner was arrested about a month after the incident 381 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:56,080 and it was then that the family were told that she'd been arrested on 382 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:57,920 suspicion of Keith's murder. 383 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,800 It's hard. It's a difficult conversation to have. 384 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,600 They weren't surprised that she was involved. 385 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:08,040 They were angry and they were, sort of, confused by the situation, 386 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,000 but I don't think they were surprised. 387 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,200 For us, we found that interesting in itself. 388 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,960 They'd been hearing these rumours, so I think they were shocked that 389 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,880 their worst fears had probably come true. 390 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,080 In this case, social media is an absolute nightmare. 391 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,120 It was actually one of our biggest challenges. 392 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,400 As quick as we were getting the information, 393 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,880 it was getting out there and people were reporting back to the family 394 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,200 before we were able, in minutes, everybody seemed to know everybody. 395 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,040 And so it was constantly this game of cat and mouse, 396 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,280 trying to be the first to deliver that information. 397 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,800 After weeks of investigation, police still need to understand 398 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:51,920 the bigger picture to present a coherent case to the CPS for court. 399 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,400 In this case, there was clearly some sort of premeditation and planning 400 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,160 that had gone into it and understanding the relationship 401 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,040 between Mark and Keith's partner and how it had developed over time 402 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,440 was really crucial. 403 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,400 Therefore, the timeline that I produced for this investigation 404 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,560 actually went back quite a long way, 405 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,840 to look at the times that they had been together 406 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,360 and previously broken up and got back together. 407 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,560 The dynamic of their relationship and how it developed, 408 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,520 because that was crucial to 409 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,440 her involvement and why he might 410 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,080 have committed the murder. 411 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,560 And there was other evidence found during the searches that added a 412 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,240 chill to the proceedings. 413 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,480 So on the coffee table in Mark Meadows' house, there was a note. 414 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,320 And on that note, it was his plan for the year. 415 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:39,800 One of those plans on there was to get together with Keith's partner 416 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,480 before Valentine's Day. 417 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,720 And this murder took place just before midnight on the 13th. 418 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,400 So a few minutes before Valentine's Day. 419 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,560 Silence in the custody suite is never helpful. 420 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,080 So Louise's role was more difficult to identify because a lot of that 421 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:10,520 was based on phone evidence and deletion of phone evidence as well. 422 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,280 So that one took a little bit more work to put together. 423 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,480 The phone work makes it look increasingly likely 424 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,280 the love triangle between Green, his partner Grieve. 425 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,480 and her boyfriend Meadows has played a part. 426 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,200 There's also messages on there where you're talking to Mark, 427 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,320 saying you wish to finish with Keith and you wish him to move out. 428 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,200 This story really goes back to 2021, 429 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,760 which is when Mark Meadows met Keith Green's partner 430 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,680 and that friendship initially was described as platonic. 431 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,560 It was just a friendship and then it slowly developed into 432 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,840 something more. 433 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,520 And by the summer of 2021, they were well and truly in the throes of 434 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,880 an affair. 435 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,720 And by September, the relationship between Keith Green and his partner 436 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,320 was really dysfunctional. 437 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,480 There was a moment that September where he comes back to the house 438 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,680 and discovers Mark Meadows in there and they have what can only 439 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,880 really be described as a bust up. 440 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,600 You did not wish to pursue a formal complaint and the matter was filed. 441 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,000 Alongside investigating the past through revealing text messages, 442 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,040 murder squad detectives focus on contemporaneous recordings by some 443 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,360 of the officers at the scene. 444 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,960 We have the benefit of watching the body-worn video. 445 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,200 It's interesting to look at because it's people's unfiltered reactions 446 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,200 and whilst it's not for me or anybody else to judge 447 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,440 how anybody reacts to grief or trauma, there was always concern 448 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,080 about her reaction to what had happened. 449 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:11,560 My opinion was she was somebody who could turn emotions on and off. 450 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,840 At one stage, she was breaking down in tears with the paramedics. 451 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,640 And then others, she seemed to be laughing and joking. 452 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,400 I think at one point she was captured humming or singing the 453 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,720 EastEnders theme tune out the window. 454 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,120 You kind of got the impression quite quickly that she enjoyed being the 455 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,360 centre of attention. 456 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,520 Such evasive behaviour triggers suspicion 457 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,960 but is very hard to use in court. 458 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,800 So the police continue their trawl of each location visited 459 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,760 by the suspects, for traces on CCTV. 460 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,560 As I'm building the sequence of events, 461 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,800 the CCTV team will provide me with a viewing log. 462 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,280 So we had CCTV from a number of different locations. 463 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,600 We had CCTV from the Pepper Pot Pub. 464 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,920 And from about 7pm that night, the 13th of February, Mark Travis and 465 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,760 others had been at the pub drinking. 466 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,440 Louise and Mark had basically been carrying on their 467 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,800 relationship there. 468 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,360 They were seen cuddling, kissing at various different times. 469 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,520 And all of this is while Keith is still back home with the kids and 470 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,920 none the wiser about what's going on. 471 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:45,040 So I would put the images from that into my sequence and fit them around 472 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,640 the messaging that was happening at the time. 473 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,040 At certain points you can see Keith's partner, 474 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,880 for example, outside on a phone. 475 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,040 Marry that up to see if there was any usage on the phone at the time. 476 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,760 And they left the pub just after 11 in Mark's van. 477 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,840 The van tells detectives another story. 478 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,040 Mark's van helpfully had a tracker in it, 479 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,120 so we were able to get that tracker data. 480 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,720 So I was able to look at the telematics and map it, 481 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,640 so we could see exactly where the vehicle for the suspect had been at 482 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,760 any point in that evening. 483 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,160 We tracked Mark's van back to Keith's home address. 484 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,960 We were able to marry up the telematics from the van with that 485 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,960 CCTV, to show that that was the only van travelling down the road at 486 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,480 the time. 487 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,320 There's CCTV on the street. 488 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,040 It showed the vehicle pulling up. 489 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,320 It was quite dark at that point, 490 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,840 so you could only really make out the vehicle clearly. 491 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,880 Everything else was quite difficult to make out. 492 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,560 And we were able to show the time that the engine was off and then 493 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,840 back on again. 494 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,280 It was a time of roughly 20 minutes and then the route that Mark takes 495 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,520 back to his home address is also shown. 496 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,240 While the route the suspects take is being mapped out, 497 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,520 the CCTV picture is frustratingly incomplete. 498 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,720 There should have been CCTV at the murder scene. 499 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,680 However, it appears that they unplugged the CCTV system. 500 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,600 You'd need to have a knowledge of the location of the site to be able 501 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,920 to turn it off. 502 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,600 Need to know where the box is for a start, 503 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,720 need to know where the power supply goes into the box. 504 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:21,440 Whoever had unplugged the CCTV had left behind a partial clue. 505 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,600 So in the shed, the CCTV was located quite high up. 506 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,880 On the floor was a bucket, which contained oil, and on top of the 507 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,640 bucket was a footprint. 508 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,520 And it appears that someone had stood on that bucket to turn off the 509 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,360 CCTV system and the footprint on there was linked back to Mark 510 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,400 Meadows and it was linked back to a trainer that someone had hidden in a 511 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,600 speaker, with a blood-covered knife and had blood on the actual trainer 512 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,040 itself, from Keith. 513 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,880 By now, some of the specialist departments had reported back 514 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,160 in full. 515 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,440 So in terms of forensic evidence, on the knife there was found to be 516 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,240 blood that came from Keith and on the handles of the knife. 517 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,400 There was also DNA, which looks like it came from both Travis and Mark. 518 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,080 Finding the knife with Keith's blood on and the DNA was on the handle is 519 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,800 quite incriminating. 520 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,160 But it wasn't just events on the evening itself the investigation was 521 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,840 interested in. 522 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,160 A witness came forward and notified us that Keith's partner and Mark 523 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,680 had actually done a trip up to Leeds. 524 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,960 Almost six months prior to the murder, 525 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,440 they'd attended a shop that sold knives up there. 526 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,960 So some of our officers were deployed up there and in that shop 527 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,880 they identified that a knife had been purchased. 528 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,280 We were also then later able to obtain the receipt for a blue 529 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,800 ghost knife. 530 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,120 And that knife was actually used to kill Keith. 531 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,800 The evidence is slowly mounting and there's a feeling of quiet 532 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,520 confidence in the team. 533 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,000 But then, from nowhere, the whole investigation feels like it's 534 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,120 been derailed. 535 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,000 The court trial coincided with the barrister strikes, 536 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,440 which was a logistical nightmare. 537 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,960 For any case like this, you can only hold people in custody for six 538 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,240 months generally, which is called a custody time limit. 539 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,440 Once that custody time limit runs out, 540 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,920 essentially, we don't have the power to keep anyone in custody. 541 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,000 So the trial was unable to start and there was no prospect of it 542 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,880 starting in September. 543 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,920 One of the options was the judge may release all of them on bail 544 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,000 and it's just not a position you want to be in as an SIO, 545 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,120 facing a real nightmare scenario 546 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,360 of murder defendants being out and about. 547 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,400 And that's what happened in this case. 548 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,560 This is a big news story for a local 549 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,520 paper like the Oxford Mail. 550 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,600 In a shock decision, the court orders the release of the defendants 551 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,320 for the murder of Keith Green. 552 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,520 So it's really unusual for defendants 553 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,520 in a murder case to be out on bail. 554 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,680 It's almost unheard of. 555 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,240 This was such a violent, horrific crime. 556 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,000 You know, he was brutally stabbed in his own home. 557 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,360 And then we're saying to the family that those people are just out there 558 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,880 living normal lives. 559 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,440 I mean, I never want to have to tell a family that again, because it was 560 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,520 very hard to deal with and devastating. 561 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,320 Really difficult conversations, but necessary conversations. 562 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,440 You've got the risk they pose to others. 563 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,560 These are people who have been charged with murder by use of 564 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,840 a knife. 565 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,120 A number of the witnesses contacted us in fear initially. 566 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,600 You worry that witnesses will not turn up because they've lost faith. 567 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,440 And the team did some brilliant work around finding witnesses 568 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,880 and give them confidence to give evidence. 569 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,320 So we had to put stuff in place to protect them and belie their fears 570 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,160 and their worries about it. 571 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,960 You can easily envisage a scenario where the whole thing just collapses 572 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,520 because if you don't have witnesses, then you're left with nothing. 573 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,240 A month late, the trial begins for the Valentine's Eve murder of 574 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,000 Keith Green. 575 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,880 And there's chaos in the courthouse. 576 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,200 every day, a struggle. 577 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:10,600 Usually you have defendants being brought to court from prison in a 578 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,680 prison van. 579 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,680 You see them in the dock and that's the limit of your contact with them. 580 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,040 It was just different because there was the suspects on the concourse 581 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,960 with us, and we had to be very careful with where they sat and what 582 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,160 we were saying, because they often sat outside the door of our rooms. 583 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,080 We had to manage all of that in the public arena at court, 584 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,160 with the family dynamic on top of that. 585 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,640 That's testament to what a brilliant job the team did, day in, day out. 586 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,960 Keeping the trial on track is a full-time job for the officers and 587 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,400 not without risk. 588 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,640 We then had to manage the family, attending court 589 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,040 and seeing the suspects coming to court themselves, freely, 590 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,520 walking around the courtroom building. 591 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,680 It was very challenging for me and Steph to navigate and make sure 592 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,400 that the family were kept away from that and not have to face them. 593 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,360 They didn't feel safe knowing that the people that had murdered their 594 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,200 loved one is right there. 595 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,240 It's fair to say there wasn't much sleep during that period. 596 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,920 As the trial plays out, there are more surprises in store. 597 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,080 There was this, like, strange frisson during the trial. 598 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,880 I remember the first time I saw the two brothers and I was kind of taken 599 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,560 aback because they couldn't have looked much more differently 600 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,520 to how they were when I'd last seen them, 601 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,920 six or so months earlier at the Magistrates' Court. 602 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,080 Mark Meadows had shaved his head. 603 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,240 And for a man who was known as Jesus, the man with the beard, 604 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,840 he'd got rid of it. Jesus had shaved his beard. 605 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,440 Throughout the trial, it didn't appear that they were taking it 606 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,560 seriously really. 607 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,000 They were very relaxed. 608 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,760 No remorse by any of them whatsoever. 609 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,280 And seeing their behaviour, which the jury didn't see, 610 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,840 but we did outside of court, laughing and joking. 611 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,840 We got reports from other witnesses that Mark and Louise were on the 612 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,560 train together and actually they were kissing on the train, which 613 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,720 unfortunately, was against their bail conditions. 614 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,240 So they weren't very careful of other people around them. 615 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,840 Just going about their normal lives, it appeared, 616 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,080 which was difficult for the family to see. 617 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,160 I vividly remember speaking to Keith Green's daughter 618 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,160 just before sentencing and talking to her about her recollections of 619 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,280 the trial, and for her, she saw a very, very different side to 620 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,720 those defendants. 621 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,840 She certainly felt they were laughing when the knives were being 622 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,200 passed around and she saw not a hint of remorse. 623 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,280 And then, perhaps one of the strangest moments ever 624 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,320 during a British criminal murder trial. 625 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,640 During the actual trial itself, in the dock, 626 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,520 Mark has gone up to Keith's partner and asked her to marry him. 627 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,000 I've never come across a proposal in a dock in a Crown Court before. 628 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,120 I don't quite know how to describe that, to be honest. 629 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,760 It's just staggering. They thought they were going to get away with it. 630 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,520 They were going to get found not guilty and they were making plans 631 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,680 for their new life. 632 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,280 Alongside the romantic interlude, 633 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,120 the jury listens to a lot of evidence, 634 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,920 but there's only one significant cross-examination. 635 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,720 Keith Green's partner was in the witness box for four days, 636 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,520 I think, which is a very long time to be cross-examined. 637 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,920 She certainly blamed other people for what had happened. 638 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,560 She didn't really seem to take any blame for herself. 639 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,720 Some of the evidence she gave showed that she was quite manipulative. 640 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,400 She didn't do herself any favours, giving the evidence that she did. 641 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,240 I remember her saying that she must be a magician if she was playing all 642 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,160 of these men against each other. 643 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:38,360 It was like playing tennis against a brick wall. Everything was hit back. 644 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,160 The judge later remarked that it appeared that she actually enjoyed 645 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,120 the attention from leading-on both men. 646 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,880 With Louise, Keith's partner, attempting to persuade the jury of 647 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,640 her innocence, the other evidence becomes ever more important. 648 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,680 During the trial, when Keith's family were in attendance, 649 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,400 I think there were things that came as a shock to them, 650 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,760 the extent of the planning of the murder and the deceit. 651 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,120 When you hear it step by step, come out in court, it's overwhelming 652 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,240 for families. 653 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,280 That realisation that actually that happened. 654 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,400 We identified messages where Mark implied they were ready to go 655 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,000 and this was going to be happening. They had a plan. 656 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,000 Pulling that together and showing all the phone calls around it 657 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,240 enabled us to show that this offence was likely premeditated. 658 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,280 I think there was an overwhelming amount of evidence that Mark Meadows 659 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,400 and his stepbrother were guilty of murder, 660 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,800 but I think there is always a possibility 661 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,280 that Keith Green's partner, the woman who was playing, essentially, 662 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,760 two men off against each other, 663 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,240 couldn't be certain that it would end with the death of one of them. 664 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,200 The jury is then sent out to consider the evidence presented over 665 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,960 eight long weeks. 666 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,200 Most incriminating ultimately was probably the forensics, 667 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,760 getting Mark's phone next to Keith's body, 668 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,160 recovering both knives and the fact that they had blood on both of them 669 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,720 is really important. 670 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,760 This links those two and it links the addresses together, the clothing 671 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,720 and layered on top of that, you've got the digital evidence, 672 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,720 the phone downloads and also the CCTV movements. 673 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,120 All of us, every single one of the investigation team wanted to convict 674 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,600 Louise because of the central role that she played in it. 675 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,720 And the worry is that the jury will think there's not enough evidence 676 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,680 or because she hasn't physically played a part in it, 677 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:34,280 they won't understand the dynamic around murder and manslaughter. 678 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,680 The team hope they've made the case clear for the jurors. 679 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:40,320 You never know how long a jury are going to be out deliberating. 680 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,200 I've had it where it's a couple of hours. 681 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,240 I've had it where, in this case, it was seven or eight days. 682 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,520 So that sensation, that electricity that you get in a courtroom when 683 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,680 verdicts are read out, there's a strange energy in the courtroom. 684 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,240 And this murder trial was just like that. 685 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,480 So Mark Meadows, that was the first verdict to be read out, guilty on 686 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,760 two counts. 687 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,320 Murder and possession of the knife that killed Keith Green. 688 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,440 This case just kept on giving, really. 689 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,520 So there was a very strange moment that I've never really experienced, 690 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,360 certainly not in a murder trial, 691 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,320 where the foreman of the jury got the verdict on Travis Gorton wrong. 692 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,040 So, Travis Gorton, is he guilty or not guilty of murder? Not guilty. 693 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,280 And there was this sort of quiet hubbub in the jury box. 694 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,640 There was a kind of physical reaction of confusion. 695 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,160 And then they pronounced this guilty verdict, so, guilty of murder. 696 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,080 I remember him crying at that point. They were all stood up. 697 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,400 And I remember him crying in the dock because I think for a second or 698 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,880 two, he thought he was getting away with it. 699 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,480 It is brutal. It's absolutely brutal. 700 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,480 And for me, there was a slight sense of surprise with Louise's verdicts. 701 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,120 So, guilty of manslaughter. 702 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,920 A fourth defendant, who can't be named for legal reasons, 703 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,120 but who assisted by opening the gate, 704 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,840 is also found guilty of manslaughter. 705 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,120 Then the sentences are handed down. 706 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,800 So Mark was life sentence, which you always get for murder, 707 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,560 with a minimum term of 23 years. 708 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,960 Travis was, again, life term minimum of 17 years. 709 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,560 Keith's partner got found guilty of manslaughter 710 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,160 and she was sentenced to eight years. 711 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,600 I'm pleased that the jury decided that Louise was part of it, 712 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,160 because that was one of my worries that they wouldn't think that 713 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,720 Keith's partner had been part of the planning. 714 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,800 Getting the right result in court 715 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,640 means that the hard work has paid off, 716 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,640 that the family have got justice for their loved one. 717 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,240 I think for Louise Grieve, when she heard that verdict, 718 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,120 guilty of manslaughter, there was that final sinking in of what had 719 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,280 happened and just the sheer enormity of what she'd done. 720 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,800 The Valentine's murder case won't be forgotten in a hurry. 721 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,880 It does always stay with you. 722 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,520 It's my first murder case as an SIO. 723 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,160 And this one, for various reasons, wasn't straightforward. 724 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,000 I can't ask anything more than when the team are faced with that 725 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,360 kind of adversity and testing times that they stand up to it, 726 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,040 they face it down and it's all worthwhile. 727 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,400 I think we get that verdict and it's case closed and we move on. 728 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,520 But for the families, they're still living that every day. 729 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,560 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 63118

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