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PHONE RINGING
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Police, what's the emergency?
Armed police officers!
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NARRATOR: Elite police units created
to crack the toughest of cases.
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My role is investigating serious and
organised crime.
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This was out of the ordinary and
this was a high-pressure situation.
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Hey, hey.Calm yourself down.
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Their task, tackle the villains...
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You're locked up on suspicion of
murder. All right?
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..and bring them to justice.
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A real who did it?
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With unique access to some of
Britain's most talented detectives,
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we explore for the first time
their investigations...
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I've spent years putting together
all these tiny pieces of evidence.
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..their methods...
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The most bizarre investigation I've
been involved in.
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..and the evidence that's put some
of the UK's most dangerous criminals
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behind bars.
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They are clever. And
they're dangerous.
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PHONE RINGING
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Police emergency.
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This story really goes back to 2021.
It was just a friendship.
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And that friendship initially was
described as platonic.
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And then it slowly developed into
something more.
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So on the coffee table in the house,
there was a note.
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And on that note was his plan for
the year.
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One of those plans on there was to
get together with Keith's partner
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before Valentine's Day.
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Relationships are tricky to navigate
at the best of times,
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but not everybody turns their
passion into a deadly obsession.
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He was absolutely obsessed with her
and I strongly believe that he'd
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gone out that night with the
intention of drinking, which he did.
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Building up the courage to do
something and had armed himself with
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a knife and was intent on killing
Keith to remove him from
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the equation.
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Love can make you blind and
sometimes turn a mind to murder.
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The offence happened about
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15 minutes before Valentine's Day.
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It was quarter to midnight.
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This was mid-February.
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It was dark, cold, wet.
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They actually laid in wait for him
and then they brutally attacked him
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using a severe degree of force
with knives.
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No doubt, a frenzied attack and they
just left him for dead.
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Keith had no chance whatsoever.
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Keith Green, the victim, was a
resident of Banbury,
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located by the River Cherwell on the
edge of the Cotswolds.
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Banbury is a market town in
north Oxfordshire.
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It's got about 50,000 people
living there.
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It's still one of those places
where lots of people know
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everybody else.
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I'm Tom Seaward.
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I was a court reporter at the Oxford
Mail at the time.
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Banbury, like anywhere really, in
the UK,
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has a problem with knife crime,
often drug-related knife crime.
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But certainly you don't get a murder
every other day.
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It's not that sort of town. This was
an unusual crime for Banbury.
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My name is John Capps.
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I'm a detective superintendent with
Thames Valley Police Major
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Crime Unit.
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Major Crime, we investigate murders,
homicides, unexplained deaths.
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It's always really challenging.
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No two days are ever the same.
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And nothing surprises me any more in
this job.
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But nevertheless, this was an
unusual case.
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PHONE RINGING
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Police emergency.
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Police received 999 calls reporting
someone has been attacked close to
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the town centre.
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Detective Superintendent John Capps
and team are on call that night.
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With any murder investigation in
that stage, there is a lot going on
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and you've got to try and get some
order from the chaos and set some
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priorities to get the appropriate
people where they need to go very,
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very quickly.
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Detective Constable Chris Hatton is
assigned as case officer.
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I'd never been to Banbury for an
offence like this before.
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I'd been working in the major crime
department for about five years.
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When we found out the murder had
come in,
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instantly, you had to
drop everything.
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I had to go and deploy up
to Banbury.
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Before I set off, I'd already found
out that I was going to be a case
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officer for it, so I already knew
roughly what to expect before
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I arrived.
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And then turned up, met everyone
else who was up there and prepared
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for a briefing.
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With a potential murder on
their doorstep,
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Thames Valley Major Crime Unit
launch Operation Inuit.
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At the scene, victim Keith Green is
found dead.
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So we had Keith Green, who'd been
stabbed to death in his back garden
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outside a shed or an outbuilding.
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Keith Green was a family man.
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He was 40 years old.
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By trade, he was a carpenter.
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He also loved tinkering around in
his garage.
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He had two children with the partner
who he lived with at that house.
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The community was shocked and quite
quickly people were paying tribute.
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We were
initially told
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that his partner
had gone down
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there and called
the ambulance
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and that he was
deceased at
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the scene.
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Because of the time of night and
the location, being at a private
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residence, there obviously wasn't
many eyewitnesses.
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The whole area was cordoned off and
we had forensic teams in.
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With the crime scene and house under
forensic lockdown,
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officers take a witness account from
the victim's distraught partner,
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Louise Green.
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It's a delicate process.
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There was quite a lot happening at
the scene.
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There was a lot of people living
within it.
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It was quite a tightly-packed
family home.
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We also had the dynamic of the other
people in the address.
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There were eight children in total
who had to be moved out into a hotel
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and who'd been present at the
address when this had taken place.
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Are any of those children witnesses?
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And straight away, you know there's
going to be significant partnership
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involvement from social care.
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And that just adds another dynamic
to what you've got to consider.
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Thames Valley officers Stephanie
Chase and Alice Walker are the next
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to join the investigative team in
the sensitive role of FLO.
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The FLO is a family liaison officer
and the role is to provide a link
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between the investigation team and
the family.
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We are placed within the family to
build that relationship with them,
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build trust with them, but our main
role remains that of
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an investigator.
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And families often have lots
of information
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that's imperative to
an investigation,
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whether that be a victim's routine
or information about
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their associates.
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So it's to gather that kind of
information and process that, as
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well, as giving them the information
about the investigation and what's
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happening and then supporting them
through that.
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So I'd come to work as normal that
morning and I knew very quickly that
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there had been a murder on the area
that we cover in the early hours and
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I was asked to pick up the role of
family liaison officer.
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Alice was the second FLO on
this case.
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This was actually my first
deployment as a FLO,
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so I was a bit apprehensive, but I
was told that Steph Chase was going
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to be the other FLO on it.
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There was already somebody in place
who'd had that initial contact with
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the family.
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We didn't know a lot at that point.
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It had only been a few hours since
the incident.
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It's busy, you know, there's a lot
going on.
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So in those first moments, we're
sort of just briefed and it's
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working out who the family are, the
family dynamic and what can we share
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with them in those initial stages?
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Back at the crime scene, the
investigation picks up pace.
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So officers who attended the scene
were wearing body-worn cameras
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and one of the things that was
caught on body-worn is a witness
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coming up to one of the officers and
providing a name.
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He'd seen him entering.
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He provided the name Mark Widows.
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This was corrected by Keith's
partner and she told the officers
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that the correct name was
Mark Meadows.
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What he told the officers at the
time was that he'd seen Mark
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Meadows' van parked out the front of
the property,
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so he hadn't seen Mark Meadows
himself, but he'd seen his vehicle.
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So, initially I went out to see the
victim's partner and the family.
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She and the children had been
relocated to a nearby hotel.
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She was obviously very upset.
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She was trying to deal with looking
after the children and trying to
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work out what was going on.
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It was a sort of fast-moving and
emotional situation.
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Louise, the partner, provides a
crucial early breakthrough.
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She had been at the Pepper Pot Pub,
the previous evening to play bingo
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and two people she knew were there,
Mark Meadows and Travis Gorton.
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She was quite drunk that evening
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and when she came to leave the pub,
Mark gave her a lift home.
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And when she got home a short
time later,
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she became aware of something in the
garden and someone telling her to
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phone an ambulance and then came to
find Keith on the floor in the
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garden and performed CPR.
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Now police have names, they need to
act fast.
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For a murder investigation, it
really is a race against time.
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That first hour after it's been
reported to us is often referred to
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as the golden hour. It's
really important.
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The sooner you get suspects into
custody, the better, because you
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maximise the evidence you're going
to get from them.
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You reduce any likelihood they're
going to dispose of property or they
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may be on the run.
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Mark and his brother Travis were
nominated as suspects for murder.
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We had reason to believe both of
them were in possession of knives
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and had used those knives, so that
immediately make them dangerous and
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poses a risk to others.
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Within an hour, John and the Special
Ops arrest team are on the move.
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So an arming authority was given to
our armed response crews.
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The addresses surrounding
it, contained.
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And effectively, they were called
out of the address and arrested
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at gunpoint.
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A Thames Valley Police Armed
Response Unit has been tasked
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to apprehend two dangerous
murder suspects.
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Officers had got to them so quickly
that one of them was barely out of
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the shower.
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Thames Valley Police have made two
arrests for the murder of
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40-year-old Keith Green.
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The custody process is always
really challenging.
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They'll set a strategy around how
they're going to approach
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those interviews.
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Mark, I think, was interviewed
probably seven or eight times
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over the course of the time he was
in custody with us.
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And that was a no-comment interview
throughout and this may be over
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simplistic, but if you haven't
done it,
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I think you'd be shouting from the
rooftops that you hadn't done it.
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And Travis gave this account where
he said he'd got back into the van
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after being at the pub and pretty
much fallen asleep straight away.
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He doesn't remember going to
Keith's house.
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He states he was asleep and when he
woke up, he arrived at Mark's house.
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Which is utter nonsense.
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But we've got to disprove that.
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When you have people in custody
for murder,
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there's a lot of pressure to make
sure they don't walk out of the door
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because if they do, then that
creates all sorts of further issues.
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With the two potential perps in
custody for up to 24 hours...
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..police are going through their
homes and belongings.
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We'll have the licensed search
officers in very early and they'll
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do their big search.
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They get the information that
they've got at the time, and know
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roughly what they're looking for.
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So for example, they'll have
been looking for knives.
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But as the investigation develops,
they get fed more information,
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just as we learn more, they
learn it.
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Having reviewed it, will go in and
look for just those extra things
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that might not have been found.
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The searches seem to strike gold.
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I took a phone call from the crime
scene manager to say that we've
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recovered a knife.
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Just outside the property
next to his van,
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next to the passenger door was a
knife in a grate in a storm drain.
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So that was quite visible.
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And then when they moved into
the house,
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they found a knife in a speaker.
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So we say that Mark had taken the
speaker apart,
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unscrewed it and then hidden a
knife, his trainers, which had blood
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on them and then effectively put
the speaker back together again.
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There was evidence that they'd both
taken a shower.
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Again, we would say to get rid of
the blood on them and their clothing
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and some evidence that the washing
machine had been on pretty recently.
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There was a towel with blood on.
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There was lots of clothing that
they'd obviously worn that evening.
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They were described as having blood
on them.
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Obviously we couldn't prove at that
point it was Keith's,
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but finding a knife with blood on
and trainers with blood on,
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it makes you think you've definitely
got the right people at that point.
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We did think it could be
a breakthrough.
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While suspicious, all the items need
to be checked by
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forensic specialists.
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If linked to Meadows, it could make
or break the case.
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Keith's body also has a surprise
for investigators.
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When the ambulance crews were
dealing with the deceased male,
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they moved him and they found a
mobile phone underneath him,
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which we identified by sending it
off to our digital forensic unit and
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they did a download of the phone.
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We were able to say that the phone
next to Keith was Mark's,
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which was a big step.
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It transpired that in whatever had
taken place, that the fight, the
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assault, Mark Meadows had dropped
his phone.
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So his phone was there,
underneath Keith's body,
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which was really important evidence
to place him there.
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And it also gave a lot of his
contact with various people.
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We were able to look through that
and see if there was any planning.
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While the items discovered
are forensicated,
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the pathology report drops onto John
Capp's desk.
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The cause of death was a stab wound
to the heart, which had pierced
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Keith's heart.
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The degree of force used was severe.
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The fatal injury also broke a rib,
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but there were in total eight stab
wounds to his body.
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The pathology report that comes
through has information on the
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knife wounds.
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From the nature of a knife wound,
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the way it cuts, it's actually quite
difficult for them to get 100%
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that a knife has caused a
specific injury.
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But what they were able to do is
they were able to test the knives
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and see if they would actually fit
within those stab wounds.
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And they were able to say on our
report that one of the knives
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would have been able to make all
of the stab wounds, but the other
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knife would have only been able to
make a few of the stab wounds.
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A picture of what seems to have
happened the night before
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Valentine's begins to emerge.
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It's no love match.
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What we understood to have happened
was that Mark and Travis
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had gained entry to the property,
gone to the bottom of the garden
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and effectively laid in wait for
Keith, knowing full well that he
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would walk down to the bottom of
the garden.
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And this was mid-February.
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It was dark, cold, wet.
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Keith would have no idea whatsoever
that they were down there
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and then they brutally attacked him
with knives and left him for dead.
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After three days in custody, police
feel they have enough initial
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evidence to charge the two suspects.
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They were in custody in the very
early hours of Monday the 14th and
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we charged them both on Thursday
the 17th.
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It's then officers can get to work
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and with the phones
finally unlocked,
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begin to wade through reams of data
in the hopes of finding enough
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evidence to connect the crime to the
two men.
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It takes weeks to unravel.
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Phones are increasingly important in
murder investigations.
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They continually provide more and
more information as time goes on.
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I'm Portia Whiffin and I'm an
intelligence analyst in Major Crime
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at Thames Valley Police.
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Phones are essentially like a
computer now.
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They hold everyone's information,
so therefore they hold a wealth of
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information, sometimes directly
relating to an offence,
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be that the planning or in the
aftermath of an offence,
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but also it gives a good picture as
to the lifestyle of the individuals
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whose phone that is.
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So an intelligence analyst will look
at things like cell site data,
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information from a handset of a
phone and pull that all together,
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alongside things like the CCTV, to
try and understand a timeline of
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what has happened.
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Because we had two suspects in
custody already,
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my priority was looking at where
they were at the time of the murder.
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So initially, we started with
identifying phone numbers for those
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individuals and looking at some cell
site analysis.
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One set of messages were
a revelation.
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They involved the dead man's
partner, Louise.
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We weren't expecting that and it was
quite clear that they were in some
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sort of relationship.
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And those messages went back quite
a significant period of time,
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until at least the summer before the
murder had taken place,
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which was quite surprising and that
was just what I could see, kind of,
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immediately without delving too deep
into the phone download.
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So it was quite clear there was a
relationship going on and we had to
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consider whether she actually needed
to be treated as a suspect in this
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investigation, rather than
a witness.
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I was always concerned with her.
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She was treated as a witness
initially and that was the right
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thing to do because we had no
evidence to say she was involved.
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But the dynamic had always been
there between this love triangle
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and that was something that she
eventually told us,
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was that she was having a
relationship with Mark
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and that Keith was aware of that and
there was tension between them.
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It's weeks of painstaking work,
piecing it all together.
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What we then found from other
people's phones was the evidence
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that Mark had been making plans to
effectively get rid of Keith.
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They just wanted rid and he hadn't
taken any hints about leaving.
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Also a priority when we were
looking at that phone
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was to look at any messaging
between Mark and Travis.
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We were able to identify some
messages with Travis, where they
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appeared to be planning a fight with
Keith Green.
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On the afternoon of the offence,
prior to the offence taking place,
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there was some messaging where Mark
had said if Keith wouldn't leave,
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he could make it so that he wouldn't
come back.
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And following those messages, he
then messaged his brother,
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a few minutes later, saying, "I'm in
the mood to fight today."
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And then there was a conversation
between him and his brother
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around the fact that Travis was also
up for a fight.
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But was it going to be a fight or
an ambush?
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So what we know has happened is a
build-up of tension between Mark and
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Keith, culminating in this kind of
crescendo of incidents or feelings
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from Mark Meadows, who was
absolutely obsessed with her.
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I strongly believe that he'd gone
out that night with the intention
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of drinking, which he did, building
up the courage to do something
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and had armed himself with a knife
and was intent on killing Keith to
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remove him from the equation.
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Just over a month after the murder
of Keith Green,
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Thames Valley Major Crime Unit
arrest his partner, Louise Grieve.
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Murder investigations can change in
scale quite rapidly.
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And this one did.
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It was a bit unusual that Keith's
partner had become a suspect.
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I'd never seen it happen like that.
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She started off as the reporting
party and she was being supported
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by family liaison officers as
a witness.
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Suddenly, she's turned around and
she's one of the suspects of
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the investigation.
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The fact that she was in a
relationship with Keith and in a
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relationship with Mark wasn't
a surprise,
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because she'd actually told us at
the scene.
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But the actual extent of the
relationship was quite a surprise
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when you looked at the phones.
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It seemed clear she'd been playing
Keith and Mark off against
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each other.
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So those messages led to
her identification
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as playing a central role in all of
this, in her manipulation of others.
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You've spent time building up trust
with them, building up those lines
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of communication and for them to be
then a suspect,
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that whole dynamic changes because
they can no longer be approached in
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the same way.
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The victim's partner was arrested
about a month after the incident
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and it was then that the family were
told that she'd been arrested on
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suspicion of Keith's murder.
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It's hard. It's a difficult
conversation to have.
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They weren't surprised that she
was involved.
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They were angry and they were, sort
of, confused by the situation,
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but I don't think they
were surprised.
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For us, we found that interesting
in itself.
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They'd been hearing these rumours,
so I think they were shocked that
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their worst fears had probably
come true.
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In this case, social media is an
absolute nightmare.
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It was actually one of our
biggest challenges.
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As quick as we were getting
the information,
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it was getting out there and people
were reporting back to the family
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before we were able, in minutes,
everybody seemed to know everybody.
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And so it was constantly this game
of cat and mouse,
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trying to be the first to deliver
that information.
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After weeks of investigation, police
still need to understand
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the bigger picture to present a
coherent case to the CPS for court.
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In this case, there was clearly some
sort of premeditation and planning
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that had gone into it and
understanding the relationship
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between Mark and Keith's partner
and how it had developed over time
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was really crucial.
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Therefore, the timeline that I
produced for this investigation
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actually went back quite a long way,
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to look at the times that they had
been together
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and previously broken up and got
back together.
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The dynamic of their relationship
and how it developed,
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because that was crucial to
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her involvement and why he might
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have committed the murder.
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And there was other evidence found
during the searches that added a
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chill to the proceedings.
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So on the coffee table in Mark
Meadows' house, there was a note.
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And on that note, it was his plan
for the year.
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One of those plans on there was to
get together with Keith's partner
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before Valentine's Day.
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And this murder took place just
before midnight on the 13th.
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So a few minutes before
Valentine's Day.
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Silence in the custody suite is
never helpful.
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So Louise's role was more difficult
to identify because a lot of that
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was based on phone evidence and
deletion of phone evidence as well.
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So that one took a little bit more
work to put together.
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The phone work makes it look
increasingly likely
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the love triangle between Green,
his partner Grieve.
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and her boyfriend Meadows has played
a part.
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There's also messages on there
where you're talking to Mark,
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saying you wish to finish with Keith
and you wish him to move out.
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This story really goes back to 2021,
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which is when Mark Meadows met Keith
Green's partner
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and that friendship initially was
described as platonic.
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It was just a friendship and then it
slowly developed into
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something more.
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And by the summer of 2021, they were
well and truly in the throes of
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an affair.
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And by September, the relationship
between Keith Green and his partner
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was really dysfunctional.
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There was a moment that September
where he comes back to the house
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and discovers Mark Meadows in there
and they have what can only
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really be described as a bust up.
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You did not wish to pursue a formal
complaint and the matter was filed.
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Alongside investigating the past
through revealing text messages,
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murder squad detectives focus on
contemporaneous recordings by some
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of the officers at the scene.
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We have the benefit of watching the
body-worn video.
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It's interesting to look at because
it's people's unfiltered reactions
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and whilst it's not for me or
anybody else to judge
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how anybody reacts to grief or
trauma, there was always concern
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about her reaction to what
had happened.
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My opinion was she was somebody who
could turn emotions on and off.
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At one stage, she was breaking down
in tears with the paramedics.
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And then others, she seemed to be
laughing and joking.
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I think at one point she was
captured humming or singing the
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EastEnders theme tune out
the window.
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You kind of got the impression quite
quickly that she enjoyed being the
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centre of attention.
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Such evasive behaviour
triggers suspicion
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but is very hard to use in court.
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So the police continue their trawl
of each location visited
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by the suspects, for traces on CCTV.
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As I'm building the sequence
of events,
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the CCTV team will provide me with a
viewing log.
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So we had CCTV from a number of
different locations.
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We had CCTV from the Pepper Pot Pub.
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And from about 7pm that night, the
13th of February, Mark Travis and
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others had been at the pub drinking.
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Louise and Mark had basically been
carrying on their
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relationship there.
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They were seen cuddling, kissing at
various different times.
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And all of this is while Keith is
still back home with the kids and
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none the wiser about what's
going on.
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So I would put the images from that
into my sequence and fit them around
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the messaging that was happening at
the time.
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At certain points you can see
Keith's partner,
474
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,880
for example, outside on a phone.
475
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,040
Marry that up to see if there was
any usage on the phone at the time.
476
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,760
And they left the pub just after 11
in Mark's van.
477
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,840
The van tells detectives
another story.
478
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,040
Mark's van helpfully had a tracker
in it,
479
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,120
so we were able to get that
tracker data.
480
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,720
So I was able to look at the
telematics and map it,
481
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,640
so we could see exactly where the
vehicle for the suspect had been at
482
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,760
any point in that evening.
483
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,160
We tracked Mark's van back to
Keith's home address.
484
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,960
We were able to marry up the
telematics from the van with that
485
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,960
CCTV, to show that that was the only
van travelling down the road at
486
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,480
the time.
487
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,320
There's CCTV on the street.
488
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,040
It showed the vehicle pulling up.
489
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,320
It was quite dark at that point,
490
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,840
so you could only really make out
the vehicle clearly.
491
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,880
Everything else was quite difficult
to make out.
492
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,560
And we were able to show the time
that the engine was off and then
493
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,840
back on again.
494
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,280
It was a time of roughly 20 minutes
and then the route that Mark takes
495
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,520
back to his home address is
also shown.
496
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,240
While the route the suspects take is
being mapped out,
497
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,520
the CCTV picture is
frustratingly incomplete.
498
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,720
There should have been CCTV at the
murder scene.
499
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,680
However, it appears that they
unplugged the CCTV system.
500
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,600
You'd need to have a knowledge of
the location of the site to be able
501
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,920
to turn it off.
502
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,600
Need to know where the box is for
a start,
503
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,720
need to know where the power supply
goes into the box.
504
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:21,440
Whoever had unplugged the CCTV had
left behind a partial clue.
505
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,600
So in the shed, the CCTV was located
quite high up.
506
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,880
On the floor was a bucket, which
contained oil, and on top of the
507
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,640
bucket was a footprint.
508
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,520
And it appears that someone had
stood on that bucket to turn off the
509
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,360
CCTV system and the footprint on
there was linked back to Mark
510
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,400
Meadows and it was linked back to a
trainer that someone had hidden in a
511
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,600
speaker, with a blood-covered knife
and had blood on the actual trainer
512
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,040
itself, from Keith.
513
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,880
By now, some of the specialist
departments had reported back
514
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,160
in full.
515
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,440
So in terms of forensic evidence, on
the knife there was found to be
516
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,240
blood that came from Keith and on
the handles of the knife.
517
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,400
There was also DNA, which looks like
it came from both Travis and Mark.
518
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,080
Finding the knife with Keith's blood
on and the DNA was on the handle is
519
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,800
quite incriminating.
520
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,160
But it wasn't just events on the
evening itself the investigation was
521
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,840
interested in.
522
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,160
A witness came forward and notified
us that Keith's partner and Mark
523
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,680
had actually done a trip up
to Leeds.
524
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,960
Almost six months prior to
the murder,
525
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,440
they'd attended a shop that sold
knives up there.
526
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,960
So some of our officers were
deployed up there and in that shop
527
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,880
they identified that a knife had
been purchased.
528
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,280
We were also then later able to
obtain the receipt for a blue
529
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,800
ghost knife.
530
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,120
And that knife was actually used to
kill Keith.
531
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,800
The evidence is slowly mounting and
there's a feeling of quiet
532
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,520
confidence in the team.
533
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,000
But then, from nowhere, the whole
investigation feels like it's
534
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,120
been derailed.
535
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,000
The court trial coincided with the
barrister strikes,
536
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,440
which was a logistical nightmare.
537
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,960
For any case like this, you can only
hold people in custody for six
538
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,240
months generally, which is called a
custody time limit.
539
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,440
Once that custody time limit
runs out,
540
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,920
essentially, we don't have the
power to keep anyone in custody.
541
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,000
So the trial was unable to start
and there was no prospect of it
542
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,880
starting in September.
543
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,920
One of the options was the judge
may release all of them on bail
544
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,000
and it's just not a position you
want to be in as an SIO,
545
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,120
facing a real nightmare scenario
546
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,360
of murder defendants being out
and about.
547
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,400
And that's what happened in
this case.
548
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,560
This is a big news story for a local
549
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,520
paper like the Oxford Mail.
550
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,600
In a shock decision, the court
orders the release of the defendants
551
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,320
for the murder of Keith Green.
552
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,520
So it's really unusual
for defendants
553
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,520
in a murder case to be out on bail.
554
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,680
It's almost unheard of.
555
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,240
This was such a violent,
horrific crime.
556
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,000
You know, he was brutally stabbed in
his own home.
557
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,360
And then we're saying to the family
that those people are just out there
558
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,880
living normal lives.
559
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,440
I mean, I never want to have to tell
a family that again, because it was
560
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,520
very hard to deal with
and devastating.
561
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,320
Really difficult conversations, but
necessary conversations.
562
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,440
You've got the risk they pose
to others.
563
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,560
These are people who have been
charged with murder by use of
564
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,840
a knife.
565
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,120
A number of the witnesses contacted
us in fear initially.
566
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,600
You worry that witnesses will not
turn up because they've lost faith.
567
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,440
And the team did some brilliant work
around finding witnesses
568
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,880
and give them confidence to
give evidence.
569
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,320
So we had to put stuff in place to
protect them and belie their fears
570
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,160
and their worries about it.
571
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,960
You can easily envisage a scenario
where the whole thing just collapses
572
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,520
because if you don't have witnesses,
then you're left with nothing.
573
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,240
A month late, the trial begins for
the Valentine's Eve murder of
574
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,000
Keith Green.
575
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,880
And there's chaos in the courthouse.
576
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,200
every day, a struggle.
577
00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:10,600
Usually you have defendants being
brought to court from prison in a
578
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,680
prison van.
579
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,680
You see them in the dock and that's
the limit of your contact with them.
580
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,040
It was just different because there
was the suspects on the concourse
581
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,960
with us, and we had to be very
careful with where they sat and what
582
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,160
we were saying, because they often
sat outside the door of our rooms.
583
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,080
We had to manage all of that in the
public arena at court,
584
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,160
with the family dynamic on top
of that.
585
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,640
That's testament to what a brilliant
job the team did, day in, day out.
586
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,960
Keeping the trial on track is a
full-time job for the officers and
587
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,400
not without risk.
588
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,640
We then had to manage the family,
attending court
589
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,040
and seeing the suspects coming to
court themselves, freely,
590
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,520
walking around the
courtroom building.
591
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,680
It was very challenging for me and
Steph to navigate and make sure
592
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,400
that the family were kept away from
that and not have to face them.
593
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,360
They didn't feel safe knowing that
the people that had murdered their
594
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,200
loved one is right there.
595
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,240
It's fair to say there wasn't much
sleep during that period.
596
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,920
As the trial plays out, there are
more surprises in store.
597
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,080
There was this, like, strange
frisson during the trial.
598
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,880
I remember the first time I saw the
two brothers and I was kind of taken
599
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,560
aback because they couldn't have
looked much more differently
600
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,520
to how they were when I'd last
seen them,
601
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,920
six or so months earlier at the
Magistrates' Court.
602
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,080
Mark Meadows had shaved his head.
603
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,240
And for a man who was known as
Jesus, the man with the beard,
604
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,840
he'd got rid of it. Jesus had shaved
his beard.
605
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,440
Throughout the trial, it didn't
appear that they were taking it
606
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,560
seriously really.
607
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,000
They were very relaxed.
608
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,760
No remorse by any of
them whatsoever.
609
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,280
And seeing their behaviour, which
the jury didn't see,
610
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,840
but we did outside of court,
laughing and joking.
611
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,840
We got reports from other witnesses
that Mark and Louise were on the
612
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,560
train together and actually they
were kissing on the train, which
613
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,720
unfortunately, was against their
bail conditions.
614
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,240
So they weren't very careful of
other people around them.
615
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,840
Just going about their normal lives,
it appeared,
616
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,080
which was difficult for the family
to see.
617
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,160
I vividly remember speaking to Keith
Green's daughter
618
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,160
just before sentencing and talking
to her about her recollections of
619
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,280
the trial, and for her, she saw a
very, very different side to
620
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,720
those defendants.
621
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,840
She certainly felt they were
laughing when the knives were being
622
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,200
passed around and she saw not a hint
of remorse.
623
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,280
And then, perhaps one of the
strangest moments ever
624
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,320
during a British criminal
murder trial.
625
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,640
During the actual trial itself, in
the dock,
626
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,520
Mark has gone up to Keith's partner
and asked her to marry him.
627
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,000
I've never come across a proposal in
a dock in a Crown Court before.
628
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,120
I don't quite know how to describe
that, to be honest.
629
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,760
It's just staggering. They thought
they were going to get away with it.
630
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,520
They were going to get found not
guilty and they were making plans
631
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,680
for their new life.
632
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,280
Alongside the romantic interlude,
633
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,120
the jury listens to a lot
of evidence,
634
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,920
but there's only one
significant cross-examination.
635
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,720
Keith Green's partner was in the
witness box for four days,
636
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,520
I think, which is a very long time
to be cross-examined.
637
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,920
She certainly blamed other people
for what had happened.
638
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,560
She didn't really seem to take any
blame for herself.
639
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,720
Some of the evidence she gave showed
that she was quite manipulative.
640
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,400
She didn't do herself any favours,
giving the evidence that she did.
641
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,240
I remember her saying that she must
be a magician if she was playing all
642
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,160
of these men against each other.
643
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:38,360
It was like playing tennis against a
brick wall. Everything was hit back.
644
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,160
The judge later remarked that it
appeared that she actually enjoyed
645
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,120
the attention from leading-on
both men.
646
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,880
With Louise, Keith's partner,
attempting to persuade the jury of
647
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,640
her innocence, the other evidence
becomes ever more important.
648
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,680
During the trial, when Keith's
family were in attendance,
649
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,400
I think there were things that came
as a shock to them,
650
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,760
the extent of the planning of the
murder and the deceit.
651
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,120
When you hear it step by step, come
out in court, it's overwhelming
652
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,240
for families.
653
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,280
That realisation that actually
that happened.
654
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,400
We identified messages where Mark
implied they were ready to go
655
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,000
and this was going to be happening.
They had a plan.
656
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,000
Pulling that together and showing
all the phone calls around it
657
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,240
enabled us to show that this offence
was likely premeditated.
658
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,280
I think there was an overwhelming
amount of evidence that Mark Meadows
659
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,400
and his stepbrother were guilty
of murder,
660
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,800
but I think there is always
a possibility
661
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,280
that Keith Green's partner, the
woman who was playing, essentially,
662
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,760
two men off against each other,
663
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,240
couldn't be certain that it would
end with the death of one of them.
664
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,200
The jury is then sent out to
consider the evidence presented over
665
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,960
eight long weeks.
666
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,200
Most incriminating ultimately was
probably the forensics,
667
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,760
getting Mark's phone next to
Keith's body,
668
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,160
recovering both knives and the fact
that they had blood on both of them
669
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,720
is really important.
670
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,760
This links those two and it links
the addresses together, the clothing
671
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,720
and layered on top of that, you've
got the digital evidence,
672
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,720
the phone downloads and also the
CCTV movements.
673
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,120
All of us, every single one of the
investigation team wanted to convict
674
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,600
Louise because of the central role
that she played in it.
675
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,720
And the worry is that the jury will
think there's not enough evidence
676
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,680
or because she hasn't physically
played a part in it,
677
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:34,280
they won't understand the dynamic
around murder and manslaughter.
678
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,680
The team hope they've made the case
clear for the jurors.
679
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:40,320
You never know how long a jury are
going to be out deliberating.
680
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,200
I've had it where it's a couple
of hours.
681
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,240
I've had it where, in this case, it
was seven or eight days.
682
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,520
So that sensation, that electricity
that you get in a courtroom when
683
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,680
verdicts are read out, there's a
strange energy in the courtroom.
684
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,240
And this murder trial was just
like that.
685
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,480
So Mark Meadows, that was the first
verdict to be read out, guilty on
686
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,760
two counts.
687
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,320
Murder and possession of the knife
that killed Keith Green.
688
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,440
This case just kept on
giving, really.
689
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,520
So there was a very strange moment
that I've never really experienced,
690
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,360
certainly not in a murder trial,
691
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,320
where the foreman of the jury got
the verdict on Travis Gorton wrong.
692
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,040
So, Travis Gorton, is he guilty or
not guilty of murder? Not guilty.
693
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,280
And there was this sort of quiet
hubbub in the jury box.
694
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,640
There was a kind of physical
reaction of confusion.
695
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,160
And then they pronounced this guilty
verdict, so, guilty of murder.
696
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,080
I remember him crying at that point.
They were all stood up.
697
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,400
And I remember him crying in the
dock because I think for a second or
698
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,880
two, he thought he was getting away
with it.
699
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,480
It is brutal. It's
absolutely brutal.
700
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,480
And for me, there was a slight sense
of surprise with Louise's verdicts.
701
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,120
So, guilty of manslaughter.
702
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,920
A fourth defendant, who can't be
named for legal reasons,
703
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,120
but who assisted by opening
the gate,
704
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,840
is also found guilty
of manslaughter.
705
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,120
Then the sentences are handed down.
706
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,800
So Mark was life sentence, which you
always get for murder,
707
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,560
with a minimum term of 23 years.
708
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,960
Travis was, again, life term minimum
of 17 years.
709
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,560
Keith's partner got found guilty
of manslaughter
710
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,160
and she was sentenced to
eight years.
711
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,600
I'm pleased that the jury decided
that Louise was part of it,
712
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,160
because that was one of my worries
that they wouldn't think that
713
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,720
Keith's partner had been part of
the planning.
714
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,800
Getting the right result in court
715
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,640
means that the hard work has
paid off,
716
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,640
that the family have got justice for
their loved one.
717
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,240
I think for Louise Grieve, when she
heard that verdict,
718
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,120
guilty of manslaughter, there was
that final sinking in of what had
719
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,280
happened and just the sheer enormity
of what she'd done.
720
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,800
The Valentine's murder case won't be
forgotten in a hurry.
721
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,880
It does always stay with you.
722
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,520
It's my first murder case as an SIO.
723
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,160
And this one, for various reasons,
wasn't straightforward.
724
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,000
I can't ask anything more than
when the team are faced with that
725
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,360
kind of adversity and testing times
that they stand up to it,
726
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,040
they face it down and it's
all worthwhile.
727
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,400
I think we get that verdict and it's
case closed and we move on.
728
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,520
But for the families, they're still
living that every day.
729
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,560
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