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the people are represented by two
separate yet equally important groups,
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the police
who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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I'm looking at numbers,
Lieutenant Van Buren.
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Grand Theft Auto down 14%,
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Burglaries down 11%.
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You shut down a number of quality-of-life
conditions in your precinct.
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Some excellent work.
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Thank you.
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Then I look at your clearance
rate for homicides
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and a whole different
picture emerges.
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Twenty-two percent below
the Borough average.
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VAN BUREN: Well, we've had some tough
ones the last couple of months.
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CHIEF: Come on, Lieutenant,
talk to your Chief.
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What's the problem here?
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There's no problem, Chief.
We just have to try harder.
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Unfortunately, that's not
an adequate response.
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Well, I don't know what other
response to give you, sir.
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Something along the lines of a
guarantee is what we're looking for.
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If it means culling
the cold case files,
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you get that clearance rate up
or we'll make a guarantee.
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We'll guarantee
you'll lose your command.
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FIRST DEPUTY: We can always
find a place to transfer you
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where the pressure
wouldn't be as great.
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CHIEF:
Get the picture?
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Yes, Chief.
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ED: Here's one from 1992,
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suspect dropped dead
from a heart attack,
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and the family of the victim
moved back to Kurdistan.
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Why don't you put in
for travel vouchers?
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See if they'll let us
clear that one.
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This one's from '88.
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Homeless male Caucasian
beaten to death
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in a steam tunnel
underneath Grand Central.
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We oughta be able to home in
on that perp, no problem.
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Yeah.
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Oh, here's one from '81
that Tommy Brannigan worked.
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Mmm, your old boss.
Yeah.
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Marybeth Mosley
was 16 years old.
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Beaten to death with a
ratchet on West 92nd Street.
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Only suspect was a plumber
whose wife provided alibi.
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Maybe 19 years later
she changes her story?
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Hey, why don't you call
your pal at the Daily News?
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They run a story about how
the case is still unsolved.
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Maybe somebody pops out
of the woodwork.
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Brannigan still with us?
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Yeah, he's retired. He
lives out on the Island.
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You wanna take a ride?
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The Mosley case, huh?
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You guys must really be
looking for something to do.
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Our boss needs to get
her clearance rate up.
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So you go to
a 20-year-old case.
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We were hoping the guy you
liked might have a weak alibi.
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This would be the plumber?
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Uh-huh. Fred Jenks.
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The wife swore
she was with him.
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Yeah, he was working
on the house.
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Had a record.
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We sweated him
as much as we could,
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but we didn't get anywhere.
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Tommy, is there anything
you can think of
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that might help us out?
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Wife's looking to give him up,
that's one thing.
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If she's not,
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I don't know what to tell you.
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Mosley, Marybeth.
Initial here.
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Any loss or damage
to the property
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is the sole responsibility
of the signing officer.
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Sign over here.
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Where's the deceased's
clothing?
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What you see is what we got.
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What about the murder weapon?
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Nineteen-inch drive ratchet.
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Maybe the D.A.
held onto it,
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or the vouchering officer.
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Could be it was misplaced in the
move from the old Property Room.
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Well before my time.
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What's the sign-out
sheet say?
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It's not attached.
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How can that be?
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A 20-year-old case,
Detective. Give me a break.
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Originally they liked
the plumber, Jenks.
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He had access to the girl
and he had a record.
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And an alibi.
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Yeah. His wife.
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Freddie and I split. It's three
years this past Columbus Day.
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You told the detectives
investigating your husband
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that he was with you the day
the Mosley girl got killed?
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I got a job by Roosevelt
Avenue and Main Street,
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going out to Bayside.
Who's over there?
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Do you remember telling them
he was with you?
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Yeah, I remember
saying he was with me.
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We were buying that
green velvet recliner
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I got in my basement.
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Car 214, are you gonna tell me
you're not by Roosevelt Avenue?
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Ma'am, can you tell us where
we can find your ex-husband?
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He's working in Chelsea.
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I shouldn't even be talking
to you without my lawyer.
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Hey, it's your call.
We can always come back.
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Just a couple of loose ends.
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Oh, loose ends.
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You guys never go away, do you?
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But the theory of
the case back then
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was that she was killed
by somebody who knew her.
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Which is why they focused
on you and your yellow sheet.
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Focused?
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Frigging cops practically
rented a space in my keester.
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Hey, you were working
in the Mosley house
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at the time of the murder.
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I was working
in the Mosley house
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on the day of the murder.
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At the time of the murder,
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I was with my wife
buying a recliner.
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Wives can be pretty loyal.
Even ex-wives.
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You want someone else?
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Johnny Estrada helped me
move the recliner
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because my ex-wife
(CHUCKLES) was too delicate.
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Go and ask him.
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Since the stroke,
some things I know.
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My eldest went to Syracuse,
to college,
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but I can't remember
where he lives now.
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(SPEAKING SPANISH)
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(SPEAKING SPANISH)
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He knows.
He just can't remember.
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Señor Estrada,
you told the police
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that you were with
Mr. Jenks around 7:00
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the night the girl
was murdered?
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Whatever I said,
it was the truth.
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Well, maybe just
to help a friend,
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you shaved a few minutes, huh?
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No, sir, Fred Jenks
is not a murderer
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and I am not a liar.
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A man does not go out
to buy an easy chair
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after he has murdered
a young girl.
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You worked in the Mosley apartment
at the same time as Jenks?
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Yes. I was a painter.
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I know it was a long time ago,
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but is there anything you
remember from being in the house
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that could help us?
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I remember a lot of boys
being in there.
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And the young girl,
she was very beautiful.
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Nineteen years.
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Sometimes I wake up,
I think it's all a dream.
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I know. I'm sorry we have to
bring the whole thing back.
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Marybeth came home from school.
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St. Julian's
on Columbus Avenue.
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She had a riding lesson.
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The stables on 97th?
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Mmm-hmm.
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She went up to change. Oh!
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Then she comes down those
stairs, two at a time.
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(CHUCKLES)
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Well, in her riding clothes.
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Always in a rush, that one.
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I told her to sit down,
I'd make her a sandwich.
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She was so skinny.
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If I hadn't made her
eat that sandwich,
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maybe he wouldn't
have seen her.
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Did your daughter date, ma'am?
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Between school, riding, the piano,
she didn't really have the time.
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Was there anyone
who was interested in her?
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Quite a few.
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Marybeth Mosley.
We called her M and M.
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Melts in your mouth.
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Hey, it was the '80s.
Blame it on the Boogie.
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What was your relationship
with Miss Mosley, Counselor?
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Strictly platonic.
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It was one I didn't get a chance
to put in the trophy case.
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Oh, I can see her death
still weighs on you.
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Look, am I showing an insufficient
amount of reverence for the dead?
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Forgive me.
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Anyway, like I say,
I just admired her from afar.
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Well, can you think of anyone who might
have admired her a little closer up?
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The only one I can remember her
going out with is Michael Sarno.
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Although I don't think she
gave it up for him either.
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Any relation to the Sarnos?
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Yeah, the Ambassador's son,
the Senator's nephew.
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You're saying Sarno went
out with the Mosley girl.
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Yeah. For awhile.
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But from what I remember, Sarno was
too much of a wild man for her.
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Or maybe she was just too
much of a good girl for him.
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Either way, they were broken
up by the time she was killed
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because I remember he
didn't come to the funeral.
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Now, if you'll excuse me,
I've got a 10:00 in court.
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Ugh, this is like looking into a
muddy lake trying to see the bottom.
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And I have to say,
your friend Brannigan,
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he wasn't a whole lot of help.
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All right. So we'll talk to some of
the other cops who worked the case.
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Most of them
are retired or dead.
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You know, I saw Charlie
Curran's name on the file.
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I know he's still with us.
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I'd just gotten
bumped up to the squad.
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Me and a bunch of
other detectives
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were assigned to a task
force to work the case.
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And you liked
the plumber, right?
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Personally, I had doubts.
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I mean, we looked at him.
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We had this guy's phones up, we talked
to everybody this guy ever knew.
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Nothing.
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I wanted to concentrate more
on some of the college boys
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that were hanging around her.
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There was this one kid, Sarno.
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Rich kid.
Nasty drunk.
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Tea head.
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Thanks.
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My call, we would've
sweated him good.
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Whose call was it?
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Tommy Brannigan.
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He was the lead detective.
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He was Homicide,
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as opposed to a slob like me
from the precinct.
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He wasn't keen on going
after anyone but Jenks.
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I opened my mouth
one too many times
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back in the bag
you go, Charlie.
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Brannigan was the one
who busted you?
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No. Tommy's good people.
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As it turns out,
he talked to this Sarno kid.
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ED: And?
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And I wish I had
known that fact.
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I went over his head
to a Captain.
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A week later,
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I'm walking a foot post
in Washington Heights.
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Could've got back on the
squad if I'd wanted,
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but the truth is,
I'd rather be in uniform.
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Too much politics
in being a detective.
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I don't know
how you guys do it.
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Oh, we're different. We're
in it for the money.
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Thanks, man.
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Tommy.
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You need anything from town?
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Your favorite Sunday, Lennie.
Lamb on the spit?
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I'll be there, Peg.
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Nice to meet you, Ed.
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Oh, you're welcome, too,
of course.
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Thank you,
Mrs. Brannigan.
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(DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES)
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Sarno.
I think I remember him.
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He was a skinny kid.
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Your notes on the interview
are missing.
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That doesn't make sense.
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But Charlie Curran says
you did talk to him.
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Right.
BRISCOE: And?
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He had an alibi.
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So did the plumber.
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Kid didn't have a record,
which Jenks did.
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Kid was away at college,
which Jenks wasn't.
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Kid had his old man
who was a citizen,
249
00:11:05,300 --> 00:11:08,250
not to mention an Ambassador,
backing him up.
250
00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,980
Who should I have believed?
251
00:11:15,810 --> 00:11:19,190
You understand this was
all before my time.
252
00:11:19,250 --> 00:11:23,030
We just need to know if Mr. Sarno
was here on the day in question.
253
00:11:23,090 --> 00:11:26,260
We consider all aspects of our
students' records to be privileged.
254
00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:27,360
BRISCOE: We don't.
255
00:11:27,420 --> 00:11:29,370
We can always come back
with a subpoena.
256
00:11:29,430 --> 00:11:32,340
But we couldn't guarantee the
press wouldn't get wind of it.
257
00:11:34,730 --> 00:11:36,710
Mr. Sarno
was not on campus.
258
00:11:36,770 --> 00:11:37,800
How do you know?
259
00:11:37,870 --> 00:11:40,470
He was suspended on the
complaint of a young lady.
260
00:11:40,540 --> 00:11:41,570
ED: Fellow student?
261
00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,810
Local girl. After a
full and fair hearing,
262
00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:47,180
he returned to the
university a year later.
263
00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,450
What was he suspended for?
264
00:11:51,980 --> 00:11:55,160
Will this information
be treated with discretion?
265
00:11:55,420 --> 00:11:58,060
It was nothing. I don't
want to talk about it.
266
00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,230
Nothing? The scion
of the Sarno family
267
00:12:00,290 --> 00:12:02,100
was tossed off campus
on your say so.
268
00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,330
What did he do?
269
00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:06,400
Why does it matter?
It was so long ago.
270
00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:09,170
Did I mention we're
homicide detectives?
271
00:12:12,140 --> 00:12:13,940
I was seeing Michael.
272
00:12:14,070 --> 00:12:16,610
I met him at the bar
where I waitressed.
273
00:12:16,670 --> 00:12:19,180
We both knew
it wasn't going anywhere.
274
00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,850
I mean, he was a Sarno
275
00:12:20,910 --> 00:12:23,790
and I lived with my mother
in a trailer park.
276
00:12:23,850 --> 00:12:25,150
But it was exciting.
277
00:12:25,210 --> 00:12:26,630
Then why the complaint?
278
00:12:27,780 --> 00:12:30,230
It was after a keg party
on campus.
279
00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,560
I was supposed to be
Michael's townie date.
280
00:12:33,990 --> 00:12:36,730
I left him
pawing some Chi Delt.
281
00:12:37,230 --> 00:12:41,000
Then all of a sudden I hear him pull
up in his little red sports car
282
00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:43,370
that I loved
going for rides in.
283
00:12:43,930 --> 00:12:45,040
He was drunk.
284
00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:47,840
He started putting
his hands on me.
285
00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:49,210
What'd he do?
286
00:12:49,270 --> 00:12:51,310
He pushed me down.
I hit him,
287
00:12:51,370 --> 00:12:53,720
then he hit me,
then he raped me.
288
00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,420
I reported it to
the school administration.
289
00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,220
I got a call
from Sarno's father.
290
00:12:59,450 --> 00:13:00,790
Why didn't you call the police?
291
00:13:00,850 --> 00:13:02,630
Did Sarno threaten you?
292
00:13:03,220 --> 00:13:04,860
You don't get it.
293
00:13:05,020 --> 00:13:07,060
The Sarnos don't threaten.
294
00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:08,660
They don't have to.
295
00:13:09,060 --> 00:13:11,540
His father wrote a check
I signed a paper.
296
00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:12,700
Paper saying what?
297
00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,440
That I had consensual sex
with him.
298
00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:17,810
I was working two jobs.
299
00:13:18,130 --> 00:13:20,840
Back then, it seemed
like a lot of money.
300
00:13:22,870 --> 00:13:26,450
My client knew Marybeth Mosley.
He liked Marybeth Mosley.
301
00:13:27,180 --> 00:13:29,520
But he absolutely
did not rape or kill her.
302
00:13:29,580 --> 00:13:31,720
And Stephanie Luchien
at college?
303
00:13:31,780 --> 00:13:33,020
Your client like her, too?
304
00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,390
That was consensual.
305
00:13:34,450 --> 00:13:35,520
Michael, please.
306
00:13:35,590 --> 00:13:37,190
NATHANSON: You know,
your insinuation's absurd.
307
00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:40,000
Miss Luchien signed a sworn
statement to that 20 years ago.
308
00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:42,200
You pay off
every girl he attacks?
309
00:13:42,260 --> 00:13:43,330
Cheaper to marry him off.
310
00:13:43,390 --> 00:13:44,430
Detective.
311
00:13:44,490 --> 00:13:46,130
NATHANSON: All right.
312
00:13:46,660 --> 00:13:49,670
Michael, Mr. Ambassador,
come on.
313
00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:52,070
These people have nothing.
314
00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:53,980
Uh... (CLEARS THROAT)
315
00:13:54,670 --> 00:13:58,210
If you anticipate using Stephanie
Luchien as a pattern of rape witness,
316
00:13:58,270 --> 00:13:59,810
Miss Carmichael, think again.
317
00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,760
And when you do, think
about your witnesses.
318
00:14:02,810 --> 00:14:06,450
Invalids who can't even remember their
own names or are dead or missing,
319
00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:07,760
along with half
the physical evidence.
320
00:14:07,820 --> 00:14:09,730
That's enough.
Barry, let's go.
321
00:14:09,790 --> 00:14:11,390
All right.
Gentlemen, Miss Carmichael.
322
00:14:14,390 --> 00:14:15,460
Now what?
323
00:14:16,530 --> 00:14:20,670
Remember what the Luchien girl said
about the little red sports car?
324
00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:23,310
You want to check
the DMV for citations?
325
00:14:23,370 --> 00:14:25,710
That's how
they nabbed Berkowitz.
326
00:14:26,770 --> 00:14:30,180
No. Nothing registered
to a Michael Sarno.
327
00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,120
A red sports car.
328
00:14:32,180 --> 00:14:34,420
Like 1980, '81?
329
00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,150
Sorry. Database is not set
up for a model search.
330
00:14:38,210 --> 00:14:40,690
Okay, try any variation
on Sarno.
331
00:14:41,150 --> 00:14:43,030
Maybe we'll get lucky.
332
00:14:45,620 --> 00:14:47,290
Got a Peter Sarno.
333
00:14:47,390 --> 00:14:48,770
The Ambassador.
334
00:14:48,830 --> 00:14:51,430
Peter Sarno owned three sedans
335
00:14:51,490 --> 00:14:54,100
and a vintage
TR6. Red.
336
00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,270
Triumph.
Kid's ride.
337
00:14:56,630 --> 00:15:00,170
With a parking citation issued
in the Borough of Manhattan,
338
00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,450
August 21st, 1981.
339
00:15:04,010 --> 00:15:05,140
The day of the murder.
340
00:15:05,210 --> 00:15:07,190
DMV can't even
spell my name right,
341
00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,520
and they got a 20-year-old
ticket in the system?
342
00:15:09,580 --> 00:15:10,650
Go figure.
343
00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:12,860
Hey, we know Sarno's the guy.
344
00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,390
We just can't find
anything to lock it down.
345
00:15:14,450 --> 00:15:17,400
Nothing further on the kid's
whereabouts on the day of the killing?
346
00:15:17,450 --> 00:15:20,900
His car was in New York, but nobody
we talked to puts him with it.
347
00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,330
And we talked to everybody.
348
00:15:22,390 --> 00:15:25,770
Well, if it's obvious to the
two of you 20 years later,
349
00:15:25,830 --> 00:15:28,240
how did Brannigan manage
to miss it at the time?
350
00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:31,210
Looks like he has a hard time believing
an ambassador would know how to lie.
351
00:15:31,270 --> 00:15:33,940
Tommy Brannigan's the
best pure cop lever knew.
352
00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,070
(KNOCK AT DOOR)
353
00:15:35,140 --> 00:15:37,810
Lieutenant, this guy'd like
to have a word with you.
354
00:15:37,870 --> 00:15:39,110
Can't you handle it?
355
00:15:39,310 --> 00:15:41,220
It's about the Mosley case.
356
00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:42,420
Ah. Thanks.
357
00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:48,390
PALEY: I saw in the paper
that the Mosley case
358
00:15:48,450 --> 00:15:50,930
was being investigated
again, and it...
359
00:15:50,990 --> 00:15:55,490
It made me remember this thing
that this guy said one time.
360
00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:56,630
ED: What guy?
361
00:15:56,690 --> 00:15:58,000
I can't tell you that.
362
00:15:58,060 --> 00:15:59,870
What can you tell us?
363
00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,040
This guy said he killed a girl.
364
00:16:04,930 --> 00:16:08,350
He said he beat her with a ratchet
after a night of drinking.
365
00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:11,350
I know he knew the Mosley girl.
366
00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:13,850
I think it was her.
367
00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:15,750
How did he come
to tell you this?
368
00:16:16,610 --> 00:16:19,680
We were in rehab together.
It was in a meeting.
369
00:16:19,950 --> 00:16:21,160
ED: For this information
to be of any use,
370
00:16:21,220 --> 00:16:23,030
you're gonna have to
tell us who the guy is.
371
00:16:23,090 --> 00:16:25,730
I'm not at liberty
to say who it is.
372
00:16:25,790 --> 00:16:27,530
Why did you come here,
Mr. Paley?
373
00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:28,860
I don't know. I...
374
00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,130
I was afraid maybe you'd
arrest the wrong guy.
375
00:16:32,190 --> 00:16:34,700
And how does this stop us
from doing that?
376
00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,410
Well, you could maybe tell me who
it is that you're gonna arrest,
377
00:16:38,470 --> 00:16:42,420
and I could tell you if it
was the same guy or not.
378
00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,410
Lieutenant, would you and Detective
Green excuse us for a minute?
379
00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:47,580
Sure.
380
00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,000
(DOOR CLOSES)
381
00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,230
How much time you got in?
382
00:17:00,860 --> 00:17:02,300
Two and a half years.
383
00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,670
I'll have five years.
February 5th.
384
00:17:04,730 --> 00:17:07,210
So you know.
I can't say a name.
385
00:17:08,900 --> 00:17:10,780
Yeah, but I know this.
386
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:16,340
There's a woman out there who lost a
daughter, who deserves some closure.
387
00:17:16,940 --> 00:17:20,550
And there's a bunch of cops
trying very hard to find out
388
00:17:20,610 --> 00:17:22,820
who committed a murder
20 years ago.
389
00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,830
Now, maybe they're gonna
arrest the right person.
390
00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,830
But there's always a chance they
could arrest the wrong person.
391
00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,830
So what are you saying
I should do?
392
00:17:32,590 --> 00:17:35,030
Ask your higher power
what's right.
393
00:17:39,030 --> 00:17:40,630
Michael Sarno,
you're under arrest
394
00:17:40,700 --> 00:17:42,140
for the murder of
Marybeth Mosley.
395
00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,680
Dad.
Not a word, Michael.
396
00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:44,770
Michael, trust me.
You'll be fine.
397
00:17:44,830 --> 00:17:45,870
Are those necessary?
398
00:17:45,940 --> 00:17:47,470
Detective, my client's
surrendering.
399
00:17:47,540 --> 00:17:50,140
Yeah, sure. If he gives us his word
of honor never to do it again,
400
00:17:50,210 --> 00:17:52,620
we'll just forget
the whole thing.
401
00:17:57,150 --> 00:18:00,030
Let's see, one count each,
Murder in the Second Degree,
402
00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,080
Rape in the First Degree.
403
00:18:02,450 --> 00:18:04,330
1981?
404
00:18:04,790 --> 00:18:08,500
A little slow stepping up to the plate
on this one, eh, Ms. Carmichael?
405
00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:09,730
Mr. Nathanson?
406
00:18:09,790 --> 00:18:11,790
Not guilty to all
charges, Your Honor.
407
00:18:11,860 --> 00:18:13,360
CARMICHAEL: People request
remand, Your Honor.
408
00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:14,870
The defendant is being
charged with a murder
409
00:18:14,930 --> 00:18:17,310
he's taken pains to conceal
for the past two decades.
410
00:18:17,370 --> 00:18:19,280
He's concealed nothing
because he's done nothing.
411
00:18:19,340 --> 00:18:20,340
CARMICHAEL: He's
confessed, Your Honor.
412
00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,440
NATHANSON:
Nothing of the sort.
413
00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:22,680
And defense challenges
the statement
414
00:18:22,740 --> 00:18:25,180
as uncorroborative
of the underlying charges.
415
00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,450
It's a matter of fact
for a jury, Judge.
416
00:18:26,510 --> 00:18:27,540
Your Honor, we...
417
00:18:27,610 --> 00:18:29,610
Save it for trial, Counselor.
418
00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,630
Bail is set at
one million dollars.
419
00:18:34,420 --> 00:18:36,060
We'll post that before lunch.
420
00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:37,930
I'm happy for you both.
421
00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:39,090
Next.
422
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,930
Ah, you see, J.J., what
detectives do 90% of the time
423
00:18:44,990 --> 00:18:47,240
is sit around and drink coffee.
424
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,270
And you got
perfect timing, too.
425
00:18:49,330 --> 00:18:51,040
We were just gonna
send down for lunch.
426
00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:52,200
ED: What's up, J.J.?
427
00:18:52,270 --> 00:18:54,410
You want me to take him downstairs and
show him how to roll fingerprints?
428
00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:56,680
Very nice of you, Ed, but I
don't want to be a bother.
429
00:18:56,740 --> 00:18:58,380
No bother.
You want to go?
430
00:18:58,440 --> 00:18:59,550
Could I?
431
00:18:59,610 --> 00:19:00,710
Sure.
432
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,350
BRANNIGAN: I'll be down
for you in a second.
433
00:19:05,250 --> 00:19:06,890
Thanks for calling me
about the collar.
434
00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:10,430
Oh, hey, after the boss, you
were the first one to find out.
435
00:19:10,490 --> 00:19:13,260
I dug around in my notes for the
name and address of this girl.
436
00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,390
Janice Trainor. She was
Marybeth's girlfriend.
437
00:19:16,460 --> 00:19:18,630
I figured they might
want her for a witness.
438
00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:19,870
Yeah, I'll let 'em know.
439
00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:22,370
You wouldn't happen to know
440
00:19:22,430 --> 00:19:24,910
whether they were planning on
calling me as a witness, would you?
441
00:19:24,970 --> 00:19:26,280
No, I don't.
442
00:19:26,340 --> 00:19:28,340
Only reason I ask
is I'm supposed to go down
443
00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,250
to my daughter's
in Florida around then,
444
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:33,250
and I'd be looking to buy the
tickets couple of weeks in advance
445
00:19:33,310 --> 00:19:34,410
on account of the fare.
446
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,980
You call in
to the D.A.'s office?
447
00:19:36,050 --> 00:19:38,790
Ah, I don't want to be
a pain in the ass.
448
00:19:39,850 --> 00:19:42,160
Give me a call if you
hear anything, will you?
449
00:19:42,220 --> 00:19:43,600
You got it.
450
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,860
And congratulations.
451
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,770
Oh! Hey, we caught a break.
452
00:19:48,820 --> 00:19:50,630
I wish it had been me.
453
00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:53,110
But if it wasn't me,
I'm glad it was you.
454
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,800
Take care, Tommy.
455
00:20:00,270 --> 00:20:02,510
Nathanson is right behind me.
456
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,110
What can we do for you, Barry?
457
00:20:05,170 --> 00:20:07,020
Ah, some preliminary matters.
458
00:20:07,780 --> 00:20:09,720
Like pleading your client
to the top count?
459
00:20:09,780 --> 00:20:11,660
NATHANSON: Hey, hey,
sense of humor.
460
00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:14,190
Something your predecessors lacked.
I like that.
461
00:20:14,250 --> 00:20:17,250
Half your witnesses are dead
or in need of nursing care.
462
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,270
Missing evidence,
contradictory statements.
463
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,270
No, Mr. Sarno is not inclined
to plead to anything.
464
00:20:23,330 --> 00:20:28,070
Fine. I'm curious to hear how he
explains his confession to a jury.
465
00:20:28,130 --> 00:20:29,300
Confession?
466
00:20:29,370 --> 00:20:30,810
Doesn't pass
the laugh test, Jack.
467
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:31,870
Motion to suppress.
468
00:20:31,930 --> 00:20:34,640
Only person ever hears of my client's
purported statements is a judge.
469
00:20:39,980 --> 00:20:41,510
"Sarno's alleged declaration,"
470
00:20:41,580 --> 00:20:45,650
"ambiguous at best, is in any event
inadmissible as privileged."
471
00:20:45,950 --> 00:20:48,220
Didn't you tell me Sarno
confessed to a friend
472
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,030
in a group therapy session?
473
00:20:50,090 --> 00:20:52,530
Yeah, Paley. He's the only
one who wants to talk.
474
00:20:52,590 --> 00:20:53,860
He'll have to do.
475
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,200
Every do-gooder in town's
jumping on the Sarno bandwagon.
476
00:20:56,260 --> 00:20:58,470
Amicus briefs on
the motion to suppress.
477
00:20:58,530 --> 00:21:01,130
AA, ACLU, AMA.
478
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,780
Now, Doctor,
you are a psychologist,
479
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,510
licensed by
the State of New York?
480
00:21:11,570 --> 00:21:12,610
I am.
481
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,090
I'm also the director
of the Morningside Clinic,
482
00:21:15,140 --> 00:21:17,720
a drug and alcohol
rehabilitation institute.
483
00:21:17,780 --> 00:21:20,760
And you were leading a group therapeutic
session on the morning in question?
484
00:21:20,820 --> 00:21:22,020
Yes, Mr. Nathanson.
485
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,090
Mr. Sarno was
one of four patients
486
00:21:24,150 --> 00:21:26,060
undergoing intensive
counseling sessions
487
00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:28,830
as part of their treatment
for alcohol addiction.
488
00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:32,830
Dr. Hermann, without revealing the
remarks of any of the participants,
489
00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:34,140
is there any doubt in your mind
490
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,370
that this session was conducted within
the confines of a professional setting?
491
00:21:38,430 --> 00:21:40,210
No, none whatsoever.
492
00:21:43,410 --> 00:21:47,510
What's to stop a member of a group
from telling someone, anyone,
493
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,850
what was said
in a therapy session?
494
00:21:49,910 --> 00:21:52,650
Legally, I'm not qualified
to answer, sir.
495
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,120
Morally, ethically,
496
00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:57,600
I believe my patients feel bound
by a sense of confidentiality.
497
00:21:57,650 --> 00:22:00,530
"What you hear here when you
leave here, let it stay here."
498
00:22:00,590 --> 00:22:02,500
You're aware that notion
has no legal effect?
499
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,970
Objection. The witness has already stated
that he holds no degree in jurisprudence.
500
00:22:07,030 --> 00:22:08,240
Sustained.
501
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,880
As lead counsel,
I speak for all parties.
502
00:22:15,940 --> 00:22:18,540
Whatever Mr. Sarno
may have said
503
00:22:18,610 --> 00:22:21,680
falls under CPLR 4507.
504
00:22:21,740 --> 00:22:23,310
That section creates
the privilege
505
00:22:23,380 --> 00:22:26,790
between a psychologist
and one client. Singular.
506
00:22:26,850 --> 00:22:29,350
Mr. Sarno was in a group
therapeutic session
507
00:22:29,420 --> 00:22:31,690
conducted within AA guidelines,
508
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:33,630
supervised by
a licensed psychologist.
509
00:22:33,690 --> 00:22:34,720
Your Honor...
510
00:22:34,790 --> 00:22:35,960
That's not just my
position, Your Honor,
511
00:22:36,030 --> 00:22:38,200
but those of the American
Civil Liberties Union
512
00:22:38,260 --> 00:22:40,800
and the American Medical
Association and AA.
513
00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:42,430
Your Honor has their
Amicus submissions.
514
00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:44,100
JACK: So we're
on the same page.
515
00:22:44,170 --> 00:22:46,910
Your client did admit
killing the Mosley girl?
516
00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:48,450
I make no such concession,
Your Honor.
517
00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:50,850
JACK: Mr. Sarno made his statements
in a room full of people.
518
00:22:50,910 --> 00:22:52,650
Their presence
shatters any privilege.
519
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:55,660
Not if they're all members
of a therapeutic group.
520
00:22:55,710 --> 00:22:59,020
The privilege radiates from the
psychologist to each member.
521
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,460
People v. Wilkins,
522
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,620
the privilege between psychologist and
client should be viewed as broader,
523
00:23:04,690 --> 00:23:06,390
broader than
doctor-patient.
524
00:23:06,460 --> 00:23:09,660
There is no confidentiality
when others are included.
525
00:23:09,730 --> 00:23:12,710
The point of group therapy,
all therapy is to heal
526
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,330
through revelation and sharing.
527
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,470
Where does it end, Your Honor?
528
00:23:16,530 --> 00:23:20,410
Privilege as such is designed to
be as narrowly drawn as possible.
529
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:21,610
Your Honor, be advised
530
00:23:21,670 --> 00:23:23,580
that the organizations
represented here today
531
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,240
are prepared to take
this point on appeal
532
00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:27,250
all the way up to the nine
wise souls in Washington,
533
00:23:27,310 --> 00:23:29,080
if necessary.
Enough.
534
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:35,320
The purpose of the statute conferring
psychologist-client privilege is clear.
535
00:23:35,550 --> 00:23:39,360
Without unfettered communication
between therapist and client,
536
00:23:39,420 --> 00:23:41,460
the therapeutic effect
would suffer.
537
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,130
That Mr. Sarno made statements
in front of other clients
538
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:46,870
I find immaterial.
539
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,700
The motion to suppress
is granted.
540
00:23:49,770 --> 00:23:51,800
Counsel is to pick
a date for trial.
541
00:23:51,870 --> 00:23:53,040
Preferably a short one.
542
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:54,600
(GAVEL POUNDS)
543
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,420
Mr. McCoy...
544
00:23:56,670 --> 00:24:00,520
Mr. Nathanson tells me you have
little in the way of evidence,
545
00:24:00,580 --> 00:24:03,790
and now you haven't got
my son's statement either.
546
00:24:04,150 --> 00:24:05,490
All due respect,
Mr. Ambassador,
547
00:24:05,550 --> 00:24:08,620
we have sufficient for conviction,
as Judge Rivera indicated.
548
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,530
Please, Mr. McCoy,
we're not children here.
549
00:24:12,450 --> 00:24:15,440
I know the distance between a technical
sufficiency and a conviction.
550
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,370
What do you want,
Mr. Sarno?
551
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:20,310
I want what any parent
in my position would.
552
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:22,970
An end to the persecution
of my boy.
553
00:24:23,030 --> 00:24:25,440
It's prosecution,
not persecution.
554
00:24:25,770 --> 00:24:27,980
And we're doing this because
we think your son is guilty.
555
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,920
Please, spare me the
fake pieties, Counselor.
556
00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:34,180
You're doing it to see
your name in the paper.
557
00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:41,990
Missing murder weapon, no DNA,
no eyewitness, no confession.
558
00:24:43,050 --> 00:24:46,060
And with Nathanson, you
ain't seen nothing yet.
559
00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:47,930
So where do we start?
560
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,530
I'll dazzle them in the
courtroom as long as I can.
561
00:24:52,460 --> 00:24:54,370
See what you can dig up.
562
00:24:57,870 --> 00:25:00,470
CARMICHAEL: Okay, the M.E.
at the time was Dr. Singh.
563
00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:01,810
Deceased.
564
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,240
(SIGHS) There's no
putting him on the stand.
565
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:08,720
His report still establishes that
Mosley was killed with a ratchet.
566
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:12,180
Well, jurors aren't generally
too taken with pieces of paper.
567
00:25:12,250 --> 00:25:14,490
And the ratchet itself is gone.
568
00:25:14,780 --> 00:25:16,230
Yeah. Now,
how does that happen?
569
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:19,090
Well, once an investigation
is concluded,
570
00:25:19,150 --> 00:25:22,360
evidence is moved from one
PP to a warehouse in Queens.
571
00:25:22,420 --> 00:25:24,870
Sometimes it gets lost,
mislabeled.
572
00:25:25,090 --> 00:25:27,440
And what about before an
investigation is concluded?
573
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:29,100
It stays in the Property Room.
574
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,200
Unless?
575
00:25:30,270 --> 00:25:34,270
Unless someone signs them out and
we've looked for those logs,
576
00:25:34,340 --> 00:25:35,940
and they're nowhere
to be found.
577
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,250
Can we found out who made
the entries in those logs?
578
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:39,340
Sure.
579
00:25:39,410 --> 00:25:42,150
Maybe we'll actually find
someone who's alive.
580
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,360
CURRAN: At the time of
the original investigation,
581
00:25:47,420 --> 00:25:51,520
I was assigned to assist the primary
investigator in the collection of evidence.
582
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:55,730
In that capacity, did you have occasion
to visit the Sarno family home?
583
00:25:55,790 --> 00:25:56,860
I did.
584
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:59,300
Specifically, I entered
the underground parking area
585
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,930
of the Sarno townhouse
on 5th Avenue.
586
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,470
Would you please tell the jury what,
if anything, you observed there.
587
00:26:06,140 --> 00:26:08,580
Mr. Sarno maintained
a well-equipped workroom,
588
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,410
including an extensive
collection of tools,
589
00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:13,820
among them was a large set
of drivers and ratchets,
590
00:26:14,610 --> 00:26:17,350
missing from these
was a one-inch driver.
591
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,790
Nothing whatsoever
of this witness, Your Honor.
592
00:26:28,290 --> 00:26:31,600
JACK: Marybeth Mosley,
was she popular in school?
593
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,730
I used to be so jealous of her.
594
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,740
Her hair was so straight.
595
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,010
Gorgeous skin.
She was very popular.
596
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:42,410
Did you know if she had
feelings for the defendant?
597
00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:44,680
For awhile she did.
598
00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:46,740
He was funny,
and he had a lot of charm,
599
00:26:46,810 --> 00:26:49,620
and he really made an effort
to sweep her off her feet.
600
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,350
One summer
they wound up going out.
601
00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:54,090
Were you aware of what it was
that made them stop going out?
602
00:26:54,150 --> 00:26:58,120
Michael wanted a full-on sexual
relationship and Marybeth didn't.
603
00:26:58,420 --> 00:27:00,230
She was definite about it.
604
00:27:00,290 --> 00:27:01,890
He wouldn't take no
for an answer.
605
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,030
Objection.
606
00:27:03,090 --> 00:27:05,660
How on Earth does she know what
my client would or would not
607
00:27:05,730 --> 00:27:09,470
have taken for an answer going back,
what is it, 20 years in time?
608
00:27:09,530 --> 00:27:10,870
Sustained.
609
00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:15,910
Ms. Trainor, was there a time
when, in your presence,
610
00:27:15,970 --> 00:27:19,320
Marybeth Mosley physically
rejected Mr. Sarno?
611
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:21,220
We were at a school dance.
612
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,780
Afterwards, a bunch of
us went for burgers.
613
00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:25,950
Michael sat beside Marybeth.
614
00:27:26,650 --> 00:27:28,390
He put his hands on her.
615
00:27:28,450 --> 00:27:30,330
I'm pretty sure he was drunk.
616
00:27:30,390 --> 00:27:32,160
She told him to stop.
He wouldn't.
617
00:27:32,220 --> 00:27:34,330
She threw a basket
of fries in his lap.
618
00:27:34,390 --> 00:27:35,960
That slow him down a bit?
619
00:27:36,020 --> 00:27:39,600
No. And when she started
to cry, he laughed at her.
620
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,110
He said he could have her
anytime he wanted.
621
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:46,570
Thank you, Ms. Trainor.
I have nothing further.
622
00:27:53,580 --> 00:27:55,710
Those his words,
Ms. Trainor?
623
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:57,590
"I can have you
anytime I want"?
624
00:27:58,450 --> 00:28:00,930
It's hard to remember
exactly after 20 years.
625
00:28:01,250 --> 00:28:06,170
So your response to Mr. McCoy's question
was, what, inexact or invented?
626
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,690
Objection.
627
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,000
No, I'm going to allow it.
628
00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:11,040
I was trying to remember.
629
00:28:11,230 --> 00:28:14,000
Anyone from the District Attorney's
Office help you to remember?
630
00:28:14,060 --> 00:28:15,410
Objection.
631
00:28:15,460 --> 00:28:17,380
JUDGE RIVERA:
Sustained.
632
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:21,910
Ms. Trainor,
did you relate any part
633
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,180
of this tale of rejection
to the police 20 years ago?
634
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,910
I spoke to a detective, yes.
635
00:28:27,980 --> 00:28:29,790
So it's your testimony
as you sit here today,
636
00:28:29,850 --> 00:28:32,720
that you told an NYPD
detective that my client was,
637
00:28:32,780 --> 00:28:34,190
what, going out
with Miss Mosley?
638
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:35,280
Yes.
639
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:37,990
That he was actively
sexually pursuing her?
640
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:39,620
Yes.
641
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,070
Your Honor, I call for the
production of police reports
642
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,430
reflecting the statements
of this witness.
643
00:28:44,490 --> 00:28:45,800
Counsel, step up.
644
00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:51,340
Do you have this,
Mr. McCoy?
645
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,640
Judge, it's been 20 years. Some of
the documentation has been mislaid.
646
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:57,550
My client's accused of murder and
Mr. McCoy pleads sloppiness?
647
00:28:57,610 --> 00:28:58,640
This is unbelievable.
648
00:28:58,710 --> 00:29:01,480
Oh, save the histrionics
for the closing, Barry.
649
00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:04,350
JACK: Whether she spoke to a detective
20 years ago is immaterial.
650
00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:05,690
She's here now.
651
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:08,750
Your Honor, they're pulling an O.J.
in reverse.
652
00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:12,130
Instead of planting evidence, they're
framing my client with the absence of it.
653
00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:13,630
That's an outrageous
accusation.
654
00:29:13,690 --> 00:29:16,030
I move to strike the witness's
testimony in its entirety.
655
00:29:16,090 --> 00:29:17,300
Denied.
656
00:29:17,460 --> 00:29:19,770
Well, I reserve the right
to argue in closing
657
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:24,070
that the testimony is unsupported by
documents and that it's fabricated.
658
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:27,310
Granted.
Now step back.
659
00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:35,250
HOPP: I wasn't always in the
Property Room, you know.
660
00:29:35,710 --> 00:29:38,780
1963, I was wounded
in a shootout.
661
00:29:38,850 --> 00:29:40,830
One of the Chinese gangs
down on East Broadway.
662
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,920
Really?
663
00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:44,160
And don't think I didn't
make a collar anyway.
664
00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:45,490
Two of 'em. Yeah.
665
00:29:45,550 --> 00:29:48,500
I walked 'em out with my
arm in a sling (LAUGHS)
666
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:49,560
Could show you pictures.
667
00:29:49,630 --> 00:29:50,700
Well, actually...
668
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,100
A young woman
was killed around 1980.
669
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,940
A Marybeth Mosley.
670
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,980
The evidence from her case
disappeared from the Property Room.
671
00:29:59,030 --> 00:30:00,340
Mosley.
672
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,680
Oh, wait a minute.
673
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:04,010
She was killed with a wrench.
674
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:05,180
A ratchet, yes.
675
00:30:06,170 --> 00:30:07,310
1980?
676
00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:08,550
Right.
677
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:11,050
So we weren't
on Broome Street anymore.
678
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:13,350
Do you remember anything
out of the ordinary?
679
00:30:13,420 --> 00:30:17,520
Well, I remember some guy trying to check
things out without signing for 'em.
680
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:19,570
In fact, it was a wrench,
if I do recall.
681
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:21,330
Do you remember who?
682
00:30:21,390 --> 00:30:24,130
Some detective. I don't
remember his name.
683
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:28,840
Oh, driving for Inspector
Holsick is what he told me.
684
00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:32,740
I said, "I don't care who
you're driving for, Skippy."
685
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,250
"You sign the ledger or you're
not taking out nothing."
686
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:36,340
And did he?
687
00:30:36,810 --> 00:30:38,840
You're damned right he did.
688
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:42,490
JACK: Finally, Detective,
did you attempt to retrieve
689
00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:44,790
the clothing Marybeth Mosley
was wearing
690
00:30:44,850 --> 00:30:48,090
on the day she was killed from the
Police Property Clerk's office?
691
00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:49,190
Yes.
692
00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:50,790
And the murder weapon?
693
00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:54,960
We... My partner and I were told
that they couldn't be located.
694
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:58,600
Did the Property Clerk have any explanation
for why the items were missing?
695
00:30:58,660 --> 00:31:00,330
He said they might
have been lost
696
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,880
during the course of a move
to a new building.
697
00:31:03,970 --> 00:31:06,570
Thank you, Detective.
Nothing further.
698
00:31:12,410 --> 00:31:16,050
You've never laid eyes on the alleged
murder weapon, have you, Detective?
699
00:31:16,110 --> 00:31:18,720
Well, I've never seen the dark side
of the Moon either, Counselor,
700
00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:20,260
but I know it exists.
701
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,920
Maybe that's where
the ratchet is.
702
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:23,790
(SCOFFS) Yeah, I couldn't say.
703
00:31:23,850 --> 00:31:25,630
Nor can anyone else.
704
00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:28,590
Which may mean, could it not,
705
00:31:28,660 --> 00:31:31,400
that the ratchet purportedly
missing from the Sarno's garage
706
00:31:31,460 --> 00:31:33,240
wasn't the murder weapon
at all?
707
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:35,800
That the murder weapon
was, in fact,
708
00:31:36,730 --> 00:31:39,340
a hammer or a paperweight.
709
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,440
Well, I guess
anything's possible.
710
00:31:43,270 --> 00:31:45,050
And nothing further.
711
00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:51,590
NATHANSON: Michael, how well did
you know Marybeth Mosley then?
712
00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:53,960
We dated for one summer.
713
00:31:54,420 --> 00:31:56,560
Mostly we were just friends.
714
00:31:56,790 --> 00:31:57,890
Ever kiss her?
715
00:31:58,690 --> 00:31:59,790
Sure.
716
00:32:00,390 --> 00:32:02,270
Ever have
sexual relations with her?
717
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,560
No, sir.
718
00:32:04,030 --> 00:32:07,010
Michael, we've heard testimony
that you struck Miss Mosley.
719
00:32:07,060 --> 00:32:08,300
Totally untrue.
720
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,310
We've heard testimony
that in front of others
721
00:32:11,370 --> 00:32:13,970
you swore you could have
her whenever you wanted.
722
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,710
Look, I don't remember
what I said 20 years ago.
723
00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:22,050
Could I have said something
like that fooling around? Sure.
724
00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:24,450
But that's what it was.
Fooling around.
725
00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:34,760
Michael, did you murder
Marybeth Mosley?
726
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,260
I did not, sir.
727
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:39,730
Thank you, Michael.
728
00:32:41,660 --> 00:32:42,940
Nothing further, Your Honor.
729
00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:49,200
Do you remember telling Detective Thomas
Brannigan that you were in college...
730
00:32:49,270 --> 00:32:50,770
(DOOR OPENING)
731
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,650
That you were in college
in New Hampshire
732
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:57,320
on the day Marybeth Mosley
was murdered?
733
00:32:57,380 --> 00:32:58,650
Yes, sir.
734
00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:03,590
Was that the truth?
735
00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:05,860
No, sir.
736
00:33:06,590 --> 00:33:08,730
I'd been suspended
from college.
737
00:33:08,790 --> 00:33:10,500
I didn't want my father
to find out.
738
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,200
And you weren't
in New York City
739
00:33:13,260 --> 00:33:15,470
on the day Marybeth Mosley
was killed?
740
00:33:15,530 --> 00:33:16,770
No, sir.
741
00:33:17,170 --> 00:33:18,800
But your car was?
742
00:33:24,140 --> 00:33:27,420
Your Honor, would you direct
the witness to answer?
743
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,020
Mr. Sarno.
744
00:33:32,050 --> 00:33:33,720
I didn't own a car,
Mr. McCoy.
745
00:33:33,780 --> 00:33:36,160
All right, your father's car.
746
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,700
A Triumph model TR6,
747
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:43,360
which you routinely drove
back and forth to college
748
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:45,230
and used as your own.
749
00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:49,780
Was it, sir, in New York
City the day of the murder?
750
00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:51,040
Not to my knowledge.
751
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:55,550
Do you know how that car came
to have a parking violation
752
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,020
issued by the New York
City Police on that day?
753
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:59,310
NATHANSON: Objection.
754
00:33:59,370 --> 00:34:01,880
If the witness had no knowledge
of the car's whereabouts
755
00:34:01,940 --> 00:34:03,850
how can he possibly
answer that question?
756
00:34:03,910 --> 00:34:05,020
Sustained.
757
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,820
JACK: I have no further
questions at this time.
758
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,420
I reserve the right
to recall at a later date.
759
00:34:17,290 --> 00:34:18,330
Got anything?
760
00:34:18,390 --> 00:34:20,600
We need to talk to Brannigan.
761
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:26,940
What is it with you guys
and this case?
762
00:34:27,540 --> 00:34:29,310
That's 20 years ago.
763
00:34:29,670 --> 00:34:32,350
There's no statute of
limitations on murder.
764
00:34:35,410 --> 00:34:39,260
You know how many cases I've handled
in the 23 years I was on the job?
765
00:34:39,810 --> 00:34:42,350
I don't remember
details of one case.
766
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,130
You don't remember anyone
getting rid of evidence?
767
00:34:50,090 --> 00:34:51,500
No, I don't.
768
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,170
Was there anyone
in the police department
769
00:34:55,230 --> 00:34:58,070
who tried to influence the way
you conducted the investigation?
770
00:35:00,670 --> 00:35:01,980
What are you saying?
771
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:05,670
We're asking the question.
772
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,620
I mean, this is just
a friendly conversation.
773
00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:14,750
Do you know how it happened that
evidence disappeared from Property Room?
774
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,230
No. No, I don't.
775
00:35:25,630 --> 00:35:27,440
I don't know nothing.
776
00:35:46,820 --> 00:35:48,730
NATHANSON: Now, you were in
charge of the investigation
777
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:51,230
into Marybeth Mosley's death,
were you not?
778
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:52,460
I was.
779
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,370
And you conducted that investigation in
the immediate aftermath of her death?
780
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:58,460
Right.
781
00:35:59,090 --> 00:36:02,670
So the people who knew the
defendant, who knew the victim,
782
00:36:03,730 --> 00:36:07,680
their recollection of
people, places and things,
783
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:09,270
they would have been
fresh then, would they not?
784
00:36:09,340 --> 00:36:10,750
Objection. Leading.
785
00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:12,840
Sustained.
786
00:36:12,910 --> 00:36:15,150
Did you consider Michael Sarno
787
00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:17,690
a suspect at the time?
788
00:36:17,850 --> 00:36:21,890
Tell you the truth, I don't remember
loving anyone all that much for a suspect.
789
00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:22,990
NATHANSON:
Well, as a matter of fact,
790
00:36:23,050 --> 00:36:25,760
wasn't the primary focus
of your investigation
791
00:36:25,820 --> 00:36:27,890
a plumber who'd been working
at the Mosley house?
792
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,130
Right.
793
00:36:29,590 --> 00:36:31,500
I thought we had half a
shot with the plumber.
794
00:36:33,860 --> 00:36:37,040
Well, why didn't you think you had
half a shot with Michael Sarno?
795
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:40,910
As far as we knew, he wasn't in New
York at the time of the murder.
796
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:42,570
It was the end of the story.
797
00:36:44,170 --> 00:36:46,080
I have nothing further.
798
00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:06,870
Do you think your opinion of the
defendant's whereabouts would have changed
799
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:11,000
if you knew his car had received
a parking violation in New York
800
00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:12,270
at the time of the murder?
801
00:37:12,330 --> 00:37:17,280
As I recall, the car that received the
parking ticket was registered to his father.
802
00:37:17,710 --> 00:37:18,780
But driven by the defendant.
803
00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:22,580
I don't recall having that
information at the time.
804
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,710
What about the fact
805
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:27,320
that a one-inch drive ratchet
was the murder weapon,
806
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:32,030
and a one-inch drive ratchet was missing
from the defendant's father's garage?
807
00:37:32,090 --> 00:37:34,790
Given the fact that
we lost the murder weapon,
808
00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:37,230
I couldn't very well
make a case out of that.
809
00:37:37,290 --> 00:37:39,330
Would you, by any chance,
810
00:37:39,390 --> 00:37:42,070
know how the murder
weapon came to be lost?
811
00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:43,670
No, I wouldn't.
812
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:48,670
Were you familiar with a police
inspector named Alvin Holsick?
813
00:37:52,210 --> 00:37:54,190
Yeah, I knew Al Holsick.
814
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,880
Were you aware
815
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:58,790
that from the time of his retirement
until his death two years ago
816
00:37:58,850 --> 00:38:01,520
he was working for
the defendant's father
817
00:38:01,580 --> 00:38:05,220
and being paid more than a
hundred thousand dollars a year?
818
00:38:06,090 --> 00:38:09,660
I don't know
if I knew that at all.
819
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,170
I kind of lost track
when he took retirement.
820
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:15,440
Were you aware that it was
Alvin Holsick's driver
821
00:38:15,730 --> 00:38:18,110
who removed the murder weapon
from the Property Room?
822
00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:20,580
Objection. Assuming
facts not in evidence.
823
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:22,510
I'll connect, Judge.
824
00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:24,840
Overruled,
subject to connection.
825
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:29,650
Detective?
826
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,550
I don't know who took it.
827
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:39,760
All right, Detective, I'm
going to ask you a question,
828
00:38:39,820 --> 00:38:43,030
and I want you to think
about it before you answer.
829
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,230
Because what you say will be with
you for the rest of your life.
830
00:38:50,730 --> 00:38:54,200
Did Inspector Holsick interfere
with your investigation?
831
00:39:00,710 --> 00:39:02,690
Holsick looked after me.
832
00:39:04,050 --> 00:39:06,290
He said,
"Sarno's not the guy."
833
00:39:07,150 --> 00:39:08,960
I was a little naive.
834
00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:11,960
I said, "I don't know,
Inspector, I think maybe he is."
835
00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:16,120
He said, "You're not hearing me, Tommy.
I'm telling you."
836
00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:18,000
"Sarno's not the guy."
837
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:22,040
"And as soon as that
proves to be the case,"
838
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,700
"you just made yourself
First Grade."
839
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,640
And how did your respond?
840
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:29,110
I said,
"What about the evidence?"
841
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,880
He said, "Make sure
that the murder weapon"
842
00:39:31,940 --> 00:39:34,980
"is checked into the Property
Room." He'd take care of it.
843
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,120
He said Sarno was spreading
around enough cash
844
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,720
that whatever's out there
wouldn't bite us.
845
00:39:43,690 --> 00:39:44,820
Did you do what you were told?
846
00:39:44,890 --> 00:39:47,030
I made First Grade, didn't I?
847
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:52,070
No special pins,
nothing on the uniform.
848
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:56,340
Just top Lieutenant's pay
and every cop knows.
849
00:39:57,330 --> 00:39:59,740
My old man, rest his soul,
850
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,650
he looked on First Graders
like they walked on water.
851
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:06,380
When I got it, I went down to the
nursing home and I told him.
852
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,580
I didn't tell him
what I had to do to get it.
853
00:40:12,450 --> 00:40:15,720
That I had to let that
murdering son of a bitch go.
854
00:40:21,860 --> 00:40:24,890
We're prepared to offer a
plea of Manslaughter Two.
855
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,800
Oh. As opposed
to an acquittal?
856
00:40:27,860 --> 00:40:30,310
As opposed to giving
this case to the jury,
857
00:40:30,370 --> 00:40:33,110
in which case,
regardless of the verdict,
858
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:36,000
we will prosecute
Mr. Sarno Senior here
859
00:40:36,070 --> 00:40:39,880
for obstruction of justice and
conspiracy to obstruct justice.
860
00:40:39,970 --> 00:40:41,250
Have you lost your mind?
861
00:40:41,310 --> 00:40:42,810
NATHANSON: Peter...
I didn't have any...
862
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,020
Peter, just hang on a second.
863
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,820
Let's assume you have
more than the say-so
864
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,190
of this broken down cop to go
on, which I don't think you do.
865
00:40:48,250 --> 00:40:51,750
You're talking about something
that happened 20 years ago, Jack.
866
00:40:51,850 --> 00:40:54,660
Statute of limitations ran out
a long time ago. Come on.
867
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,730
We would argue that the
conspiracy has been ongoing,
868
00:40:57,790 --> 00:41:00,600
and that since Mr. Sarno
actively concealed his crime,
869
00:41:00,660 --> 00:41:02,840
the statute of limitations
does not apply.
870
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:04,770
Plea... Wrong on the
facts, wrong on the law.
871
00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:06,680
Want to go to court on it?
872
00:41:06,730 --> 00:41:08,270
JACK: Take a chance
on the Ambassador
873
00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:10,280
having an E-felony
hung around his neck?
874
00:41:10,340 --> 00:41:12,250
He doesn't deserve that.
875
00:41:12,610 --> 00:41:14,180
Plead guilty and your
father's off the hook.
876
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,650
But I mean,
he doesn't deserve it.
877
00:41:17,050 --> 00:41:19,920
If there was a crime, it was my crime.
Why would you go after him?
878
00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:21,720
I'd like to talk
to my son privately.
879
00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:23,520
Like how much time would
I have to spend in jail
880
00:41:23,580 --> 00:41:25,260
for Manslaughter Two
or whatever it is?
881
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,960
Did you hear what I said, Michael?
I'd like to talk to you privately.
882
00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:31,800
The sentencing recommendation would
be eight-and-a-third to 12 years.
883
00:41:31,860 --> 00:41:34,240
PETER: Talk to me,
don't talk to him.
884
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:36,040
You're not his lawyer,
Mr. Sarno.
885
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:37,910
That's right, I'm his father.
886
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:39,470
He's 39 years old.
887
00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:42,640
He's also loaded or haven't
you noticed that yet?
888
00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:46,910
Michael, that true?
889
00:41:48,340 --> 00:41:49,620
I'm fine.
890
00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:53,120
All right, he can't participate
in plea discussions,
891
00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:55,130
if he's intoxicated.
Come on.
892
00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:57,990
Fine.
We can continue without him.
893
00:41:59,790 --> 00:42:01,770
Or we can resume this tomorrow.
894
00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:03,170
I'm going to call your boss.
895
00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:05,670
I'm going to get both of
you busted down the ranks.
896
00:42:05,730 --> 00:42:08,110
You will be lucky if they
let you work arraignment
897
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,800
from the drunk tank
on Saturday nights!
898
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,300
We don't have much of
a social life as it is.
899
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:14,810
Make whatever
the arrangements are.
900
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:15,970
I'll plead guilty
to Manslaughter.
901
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,480
I'm telling you
to keep your mouth shut.
902
00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:19,140
You're a drunk you're a junkie.
903
00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:20,980
I'm also a murderer!
904
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,630
Obviously we'll need to confirm
905
00:42:31,690 --> 00:42:35,630
he's not impaired when he
enters his plea formally.
906
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,600
You're going to
answer for this.
907
00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:43,200
As will we all.
908
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,290
Tommy?
909
00:43:05,550 --> 00:43:07,330
Tommy, you in there?
910
00:43:12,430 --> 00:43:13,930
There you are.
911
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:19,080
My wife's been after me
to fix this thing for a year.
912
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:22,940
It's good you finally
got around to it.
913
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,240
Afraid I was gonna eat my gun?
914
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,110
Now, why would you do that?
915
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,590
I disgraced myself.
916
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:34,620
Disgraced the job.
917
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,430
You made a mistake.
918
00:43:39,020 --> 00:43:41,230
It's not the end of the world.
919
00:43:45,930 --> 00:43:47,410
I let him go.
920
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,180
He killed a girl
and I let him go.
921
00:43:53,330 --> 00:43:55,080
So now he's caught.
922
00:44:02,540 --> 00:44:04,450
You forgive me, Lennie?
923
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:10,220
All day long, Tommy.
924
00:44:11,050 --> 00:44:12,530
All day long.
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