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Second Trimester
Production
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Okay. Come back even further.
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Come back much fur-- Swing left.
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And stop. Okay.
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MAN 1:
I don't know what's going on here.
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Yeah, it's not gonna be
anywhere near far enough.
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They're gonna be right here.
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I need to get the camera back about here.
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MAN 2: We'll have to find a search lamp.
MAN 3: Okay.
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I think we started shooting
October 2006, something like that.
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We wrapped May of 2007.
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WAGNER: It's 145 days.
Longer than Zodiac by 32 days.
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It was eight days longer
than Fight Club.
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But it was less than Panic Room.
But Panic Room is a different story.
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Not only are we talking 200 locations,
we're also talking a change...
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...from turn of the century
to present day.
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Show me what you want.
I'm gonna figure out what we can do.
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FINCHER: Anyway,
that's what we're doing for the train.
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So these cars go down how many?
How many do you want?
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It's.... Uh.... Twelve.
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Anytime you take a movie
that transcends that kind of time span...
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...those kinds of cities and locations,
you know it's gonna be big.
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Put them down.
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WAGNER: But with David, he's not a guy
who wants to work 19 hours.
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He knows that you get to a point
of diminishing returns.
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So if he can do 140 days...
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...and they're 11-hour days
or 12-hour days, it--
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You start doing the math,
and you start crunching the numbers...
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...and you're doing a 90-day
or 100-day shoot...
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...and you're working 15, 16, 17 hours...
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...it's almost the "Peter pays Paul,"
you know, principle.
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And it's a wash.
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For me, there's the beginning,
then middle, then the end.
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So the time didn't feel arduous
in any way.
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Cutting.
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Let's walk through and say, "Gas mask."
And I’ll have them raise their hand.
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We'll get them masked up.
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KUPETSKY: Okay, background.
Everybody look this way.
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We're gonna just walk through
and assign gas masks to certain people.
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Remember that, because I'm gonna
ask the people with gas masks...
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...to raise their hands
so we can mask them up, okay?
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Just walk through and say,
"Gas mask, gas mask," okay?
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WEST: All right.
KUPETSKY: Go ahead.
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Make sure you mention to Props
if you have a gas mask, okay?
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That you were just assigned.
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So your gun-- You wanna make sure
your gun-- In real life...
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...doesn't hit the mud,
and the muzzle doesn't get clogged.
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If you have to shoot at somebody, and you
got a gun that won't fire, you're gonna die.
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WEST: You do it with your stunt guys--
-I’ll handle it for you. Yes, ma'am.
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WEST: By what they're doing.
I don't want anyone to get hurt.
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Yeah. It’s good that they have
the visions hit the bombs.
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-I know.
-And they'll fog up.
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-Yeah.
-But we'll get plenty of gas masks out.
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-That sounds good.
-Okay. I'm sorry, Hope.
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Did he get a--? He could use a gas mask,
this guy right here.
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MAN 1: Here we go.
MAN 2: Okay.
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MAN 1:
Ready and action.
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[GUNFIRE]
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DALTON:
David's very particular in what he wants.
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So you need to be able to give him
multiple takes...
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...so he can get those nuances
he needs to make it just right.
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MAN:
Way to stay with it.
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So even though it's a flashback sequence,
we still needed to have 20 takes available...
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...that we could do
one right after the other.
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So to be able to build a couple-acre set
that has this many soldiers running across...
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...that have 20 explosions
and 20 takes...
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...and have it all, be able to do it
in one day, becomes a challenge.
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MAN 1: And roll it.
-Hold on.
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MAN 2:
Ready. And action!
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[YELLING]
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DALTON:
Our actors were three, four feet away...
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...when the explosions were going off.
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So we built every one of these...
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...into the ground in mortar, so we could
control where the debris went.
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Using all lightweight materials,
hand wrapping our own lifters...
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...and using just a flash of light...
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...as opposed to using liquids
like flammable gas...
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...or any of the other combinations where
you could get someone hurt or burned.
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To simulate the look,
but still get the action.
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MAN: These are our two mortar beds
which we are responsible for, C and D.
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And that's the layout
for each individual mortar in the bed.
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And this is a layout of the whole field.
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This is where our two beds are,
in correlation to the other.
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DALTON: In between myself
and the stunt coordinator...
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...we had to work out
where the entire crowd of soldiers...
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...some extras and some stuntpeople,
could run through this...
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...with never stepping on
where our explosions were going to be.
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And having them go off
at exact points for certain soldiers.
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Certain individuals were supposed to be hit
at certain times, at certain cues...
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...while the camera's on the move
in a trench...
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...so we could have camera
at ground height.
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So it was
a very well choreographed sequence...
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...very well thought out.
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And all went real well.
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MAN:
Thank you very much. A great hand.
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How about a good round of applause
for our stuntmen...
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...and our special-effects guys?
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[PEOPLE WHOOPING AND CLAPPING]
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BURT: You know, when you do a film
that's period and realistic...
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...in terms of sets and settings,
you don't wanna do something...
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...that overtakes the characters
in the story.
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But you wanna do something that
supports them. That's what I see my job as.
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We talked about doing flats
down the walkway.
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Okay, where is our bench?
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BURT: This is what we were gonna do
on the exterior.
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Already ventral sconces there...
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...and maybe something just right up above
on the capped ceiling there.
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There's so many other elements
into expressing that.
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It's where the camera is placed,
what lens is used...
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...what they see in the room,
how much set dressing is left in the room...
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...how much isn't, you know.
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A room can feel lonely
with one or two pieces.
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There are many things that contribute to it.
The lighting and the actors.
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Yeah, so we bring him in here...
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...bring him in here, and he goes this way,
and then he walks along here...
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...and then he stops,
and he goes through that door.
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And he comes in, and this is her place.
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BURT: It's one of many elements,
and that's what's so fun...
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...about filmmaking, I think, is that,
you know, in the end...
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...when you see the film,
you go, wow.
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You know, all those pieces
came together.
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The interior of the train station...
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...that was a build with a blue screen
for set extension...
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...CG set extension.
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We researched train stations,
in general, of that period...
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...and we combined some different elements
that we felt comfortable with...
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...that sort of evoked the feeling
that we wanted to present.
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And roll, please.
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GATEAU:
I hope you enjoy my clock.
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-That's it.
-Curtain.
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[CROWD CLAPPING]
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BURT: We looked at period clocks,
in particular, French period clocks...
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...because the clockmaker,
himself, was French.
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And we felt that there should be
some sort of influence to it.
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But again, it was a process...
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...of drawing up several hundred, probably,
different clocks...
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...and sort of, you know, fine-tuning
what we wanted it to look like.
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And make it as wide as you can.
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MAN 1: Okay.
MAN 2: Okay, here we go.
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-It’s running backwards!
MAN 3: Earl, let me see your point.
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-I’m pointing at the banner.
MAN 3: Okay, a little lower.
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It's running backwards!
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MAN 3: There.
MAN 4: Better.
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Yep. Let me present
how shooting is compromised.
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Because we could get a little glint
in the glasses.
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We could get just a little liner.
We could do all these things.
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And we just never have time.
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MAN 5: But, you know,
the broad brushstrokes are right.
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That looks nice. That was nice.
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Flash.
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MAN 6:
Okay, here we go.
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[CHEERING]
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DALTON: One of the things we had to
make look real in the film were...
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...the period fireworks,
1917, Armistice Day.
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So we're trying to do fireworks
in a town that's built out of wood.
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Where they don't want any flame,
any spark of any kind.
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So we went out and tried to find
the most period realistic.
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They still make some
of the same kinds of fireworks...
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...they did at the turn of the century.
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We were gonna try and do additional
fireworks, actual mortar bursts into the air...
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...but the Historical Society of New Orleans
said: "Not over our wood city."
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So all that's gonna be CG.
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So basically, we have Roman candles ready.
You'll hear it on the "action."
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Repeat after "action."
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Action, Roman candle.
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MAN:
Action!
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[CHEERING]
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WAGNER: With this too,
it was a period movie...
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...so that means wigs for all the extras...
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...and haircuts and mustaches and fittings
and, you know, cars, 1919 cars.
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They didn't have cooling systems...
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...so they would overheat
in the middle of the shot.
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And you'd run up to an extra and say,
"Don't stop and, like, look at the camera.
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Act like you're driving
and your car overheated...
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...and get out and keep it going
until you hear 'cut."'
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-You know, stay in that moment.
MAN: Background.
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[CHEERING]
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WAGNER: Extras tend to do silent-film
acting, really, just over the top.
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And you finally just tell them, you know,
"Hey, guys, less is more, less is more."
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And with David, you know,
you're on take 15...
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...and they're bored already,
and that's when it's genuine.
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Take one and two, they're all smiles
and happy and overacting.
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U.S.A., baby. Whoo!
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But then you get to take 15 and 16,
and it's been beaten out of them...
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...and they're good.
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Do it again.
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-You beat them off with the baby.
-Oh, did I?
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"Get out of my way, out of my way."
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FLEMYNG:
"I've got an ugly baby."
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FINCHER:
It's kind of great.
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Bob, make Ashley run
a little bit more crazy...
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...like just going through people.
I just need to--
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His shadow's not spectacular enough
for Jason.
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FLEMYNG: I had met Fincher and Ceán
socially through Brad...
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...because I met Brad during Snatch.
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Uh, you know....
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And he's Fincher and Brad's Brad,
and they're pretty good at what they do.
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And I was just this kind of English guy
that Brad knew, who was an actor.
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So I sort of found a script,
got hold of a script...
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...and put myself on tape for it
and sent it out to Fincher, because I--
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Honest truth, I didn't think I’d get a chance
to get the part.
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But I just wanted him to know
that I could act and that that's what I did.
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Rather than just be that English bloke...
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...who's at those dinners,
who drank too much.
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And so he looked at it,
and he asked me to come out and see him.
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I kind of knew that the studios
wouldn't necessarily be interested...
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...in me playing that part.
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When I came out,
I knew he'd have my back...
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...as much as he could as a friend.
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I thought he was going to instruct me
about what I had to do...
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...in order to have a chance
of getting the part.
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I was chatting away to him.
We were here, and he took me through the--
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It was like, "Come and have a look
at what you could've won," you know?
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He took me through all the designs
and through props...
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...and showing me pictures of the sets
and Lake Pontchartrain.
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And I was just, in my head, going,
"This is agony.
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This is agony. It's making it worse."
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MAN 1: We'll step back,
pull in the bag.
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MAN 2: Flemyng,
you're starting on the other side.
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You're left to right, dude.
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FLEMYNG: At the end of the day--
We spent 6 hours together.
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At the end of the day, I said, "David, what
do I have to do to improve my chances?"
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And he went, "Oh, no, you got the part."
I was like: Ah.
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So that's what happened.
And it's been an incredible ride.
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I got involved when I didn't know
I was getting involved, um.
226
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Laray Mayfield, apparently,
had gone to see Hustle and Flow.
227
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And, um, she called David Fincher.
228
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I think at that time
the project wasn't even green-lit yet.
229
00:43:10,596 --> 00:43:12,764
She calls David Fincher
in the middle of the film...
230
00:43:12,931 --> 00:43:14,332
...and she says, "I found Queenie."
231
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This is all happening
while I’m at home poor...
232
00:43:17,169 --> 00:43:19,837
...and, you know, without a job,
thinking it's the end of the world.
233
00:43:20,372 --> 00:43:23,641
And I’m having this huge garage sale.
My agent calls, and she's like:
234
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"You have to go in tomorrow
and meet Fincher." It’s on a Saturday.
235
00:43:26,779 --> 00:43:29,914
I'm like, "Well I'm having a garage sale.
How do I...?" Heh, heh.
236
00:43:30,082 --> 00:43:33,384
I'm no idiot. You know,
David Fincher, garage sale, come on.
237
00:43:33,752 --> 00:43:36,788
So I go in. I'm like,
"Okay, who are the usual suspects...
238
00:43:36,955 --> 00:43:38,589
...I’m gonna see in the waiting room?"
239
00:43:38,757 --> 00:43:42,593
Nobody. It's just me.
She takes me right into David Fincher.
240
00:43:42,761 --> 00:43:46,230
And I read it a couple times.
He and I basically chitchat.
241
00:43:46,398 --> 00:43:48,399
And after I finish the last scene,
he's like:
242
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"So have you ever been
in prosthetics before?"
243
00:43:51,136 --> 00:43:54,038
So in my mind I’m trying not to lose it,
because I’m like:
244
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"Okay, is he telling me I got the job?"
245
00:43:57,776 --> 00:44:00,378
Apparently, um, he was.
246
00:44:00,546 --> 00:44:02,780
You know what I mean?
It was just something that I said.
247
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CANNOM: It’s interesting. I talked to
somebody 15, 20 years ago about it.
248
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They were talking about another big actor
at the time.
249
00:44:10,089 --> 00:44:14,625
I read the script, and I was just like,
you know:
250
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"How can you build all this stuff?
251
00:44:16,762 --> 00:44:19,130
How are you gonna do somebody...
252
00:44:19,298 --> 00:44:23,101
...76 years old, you know,
three, four feet high?
253
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And the actor and match it all?"
254
00:44:24,703 --> 00:44:27,772
And it never happened,
because you just couldn't pull it off.
255
00:44:27,940 --> 00:44:30,875
So it's pretty amazing
that after all these years...
256
00:44:31,043 --> 00:44:34,212
...and now, with the technology,
it was the perfect time.
257
00:44:34,379 --> 00:44:36,848
It's the type of film you can't turn down
no matter what.
258
00:44:37,015 --> 00:44:40,051
And it's the biggest film
I've ever done, makeup-wise.
259
00:44:40,219 --> 00:44:43,121
We did a mechanical baby,
which is used in the beginning of the film...
260
00:44:43,288 --> 00:44:45,022
...when he's a new young born.
261
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:47,792
And my idea
was to do it like a shar-pei dog.
262
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We did all these little shar-pei wrinkles
all over him...
263
00:44:50,496 --> 00:44:52,730
...and put age spots on him,
and it was really fun.
264
00:44:53,031 --> 00:44:55,099
HENSON: I remember
when I was doing my makeup test...
265
00:44:55,267 --> 00:44:56,968
...they were building
the animatronic baby.
266
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And I remember I said,
"I wanna see this baby."
267
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Because I like to see...
268
00:45:00,572 --> 00:45:03,508
...so I can really fall in love
with what I'm gonna be working with...
269
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...since it's not gonna be a human
or a real baby.
270
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They have the baby sitting on a pole...
271
00:45:08,046 --> 00:45:11,549
...and the pole is, like, in the baby's rectum.
That's like, "Wait a minute."
272
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Then I walk around the table,
and I see the face...
273
00:45:14,052 --> 00:45:18,055
...and I’m like, "Oh, this thing is ugly."
Like that's-- It was just--
274
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It was hideous.
275
00:45:19,658 --> 00:45:22,293
And every day I would go back,
just so I could attach.
276
00:45:22,461 --> 00:45:24,762
And the more and more
I looked at the baby...
277
00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:27,398
...the more and more
it started to look cute.
278
00:45:27,566 --> 00:45:30,001
And I guess it's so ugly that it's cute.
279
00:45:30,202 --> 00:45:32,703
You know those little fish
with the big eyes, and you're like--
280
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After a while, you're like,
"Oh, he's cute."
281
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[LAUGHS]
282
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MAN 1:
That does look like Brad, doesn't it?
283
00:45:41,747 --> 00:45:43,314
-From the bellybutton down.
MAN 1: Yeah.
284
00:45:43,482 --> 00:45:44,749
Okay, um.
285
00:45:44,917 --> 00:45:45,950
So what lens is that?
286
00:45:46,118 --> 00:45:47,819
MAN 2:
That's a 21.
287
00:45:47,986 --> 00:45:49,353
-Go to a 20.
MAN 1: Okay.
288
00:45:49,521 --> 00:45:52,790
FINCHER: So we need to take a little bit
of the sheen out of the forehead.
289
00:45:52,958 --> 00:45:54,692
Just a teeny bit. It's just a little much.
290
00:45:54,860 --> 00:45:57,461
Yeah, we need to add a little bit
in here and a little bit here.
291
00:45:57,629 --> 00:46:00,498
And then we need to take this out,
because this is too wet-looking.
292
00:46:03,335 --> 00:46:05,036
MAN 3: There you go.
MAN 4: And action.
293
00:46:07,139 --> 00:46:10,708
DOCTOR: He shows all the deterioration,
the infirmities not of a newborn...
294
00:46:10,876 --> 00:46:14,011
...but a man well in his 80s
on the way to his grave.
295
00:46:14,179 --> 00:46:18,783
HENSON: This script, to me, is
the ultimate meaning of unconditional love.
296
00:46:19,251 --> 00:46:21,619
And that's a gift from God that we have.
297
00:46:21,787 --> 00:46:26,490
That's basically what we're put
on this planet Earth to do, is to give love.
298
00:46:26,658 --> 00:46:28,759
At the end of our cycle, what do you do?
299
00:46:28,927 --> 00:46:31,996
You move on from the flesh,
so that's life.
300
00:46:32,164 --> 00:46:37,134
But I think the best part of life is loving
as much as you can while you're living.
301
00:46:37,302 --> 00:46:39,136
MAN 1: Cut it.
MAN 2: Nice work, guys.
302
00:46:39,304 --> 00:46:41,906
MAN 3: Good, good, good.
MAN 4: Okay, now we unpack it.
303
00:46:43,842 --> 00:46:46,377
MIRANDA: I was the first one
that did the Viper stuff with David.
304
00:46:46,545 --> 00:46:47,879
And we started with a Libra.
305
00:46:48,046 --> 00:46:51,082
It was the first spot that we did,
and I tested the camera.
306
00:46:51,250 --> 00:46:52,283
And, um....
307
00:46:52,451 --> 00:46:55,620
Then we did a bunch after that, though.
The Heineken beer on spots.
308
00:46:55,787 --> 00:46:56,821
MAN:
Roll.
309
00:46:56,989 --> 00:46:58,489
MAVROMATES:
David has used the Viper for...
310
00:46:58,657 --> 00:47:01,058
...going on four years now,
probably, with this commercial--
311
00:47:01,226 --> 00:47:04,862
It's a tool that he really knows very well.
It has been very dependable.
312
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:09,500
It worked very well on Zodiac, and when
it came to working on Benjamin Button--
313
00:47:09,668 --> 00:47:12,169
We always revisit what we've used...
314
00:47:12,337 --> 00:47:15,673
...and to see if there's anything, you know,
greater out there, anything better...
315
00:47:15,841 --> 00:47:18,209
...anything more unique
that relates to the current project.
316
00:47:19,611 --> 00:47:23,514
Chin up. And then some intense acting.
317
00:47:23,682 --> 00:47:26,217
Surprise, and laughter.
318
00:47:26,385 --> 00:47:28,352
-Cut it. All right, good.
MAN: Good.
319
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,222
MIRANDA: We were trying to shoot 4K,
so we looked at the Dalsa.
320
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:34,792
The Red wasn't ready at the time.
The D-20 wasn't ready as well.
321
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,894
I mean, we needed multiple cameras,
you know.
322
00:47:37,062 --> 00:47:42,700
And so there was, like, one D-20 ready,
so we didn't make that an option at all.
323
00:47:42,868 --> 00:47:45,169
MAVROMATES: We actually did go
and test the Dalsa camera...
324
00:47:45,337 --> 00:47:47,305
...which was still in some ways
under development.
325
00:47:47,472 --> 00:47:49,307
And it still hasn't quite matured.
326
00:47:49,474 --> 00:47:51,676
But it was attractive in a few ways.
327
00:47:51,843 --> 00:47:53,711
One of them
is that it had a larger file size.
328
00:47:53,879 --> 00:47:57,081
It was somewhere between 3K and 4K,
depending on how you measure it...
329
00:47:57,249 --> 00:48:00,418
...and what lenses you use
and that sort of thing. That was one factor.
330
00:48:00,585 --> 00:48:03,788
The other thing that's different
about the Dalsa is the sensor is larger.
331
00:48:03,956 --> 00:48:08,893
The Viper sensor is really almost
the equivalent of shooting a 16mm movie.
332
00:48:09,061 --> 00:48:10,494
So that's a different look.
333
00:48:10,662 --> 00:48:11,696
MAN 1:
Good, play it back.
334
00:48:11,863 --> 00:48:14,031
MAN 2: Check this out,
it's looking pretty good.
335
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:17,969
MIRANDA: Sometimes it's not about, like,
4K or 2K or 35 or two-thirds chip...
336
00:48:18,136 --> 00:48:20,037
...it's actually,
"How does it look in the end?"
337
00:48:20,205 --> 00:48:21,973
I think that's just
kind of more important...
338
00:48:22,140 --> 00:48:24,342
...and the Viper looked good, you know.
339
00:48:24,509 --> 00:48:27,378
So that was kind of--
You know, people are saying, like:
340
00:48:27,546 --> 00:48:28,779
"Oh, you should have shot Red."
341
00:48:28,947 --> 00:48:33,250
And I saw Red,
and there was issues that were not....
342
00:48:33,418 --> 00:48:36,687
That I need more latitude, you know,
that was not presented there.
343
00:48:36,855 --> 00:48:40,257
Many factors came
into the final decision for the Viper...
344
00:48:40,425 --> 00:48:43,227
...but probably the one
that was the tipping point...
345
00:48:43,395 --> 00:48:45,162
...is actually the familiarity with it...
346
00:48:45,330 --> 00:48:49,967
...and that we had gotten so good at it
on Zodiac.
347
00:48:50,135 --> 00:48:52,236
And David was still happy
with the look of it...
348
00:48:52,404 --> 00:48:54,872
...that there was not a great incentive
to change that...
349
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,076
...because, despite the size of the budget,
the budget was extremely tight.
350
00:48:59,244 --> 00:49:01,412
And so that little margin of error...
351
00:49:01,580 --> 00:49:05,416
...might be the difference of using a camera
we know versus one that we don't know.
352
00:49:05,584 --> 00:49:08,686
Give it a little moment, because I wanna
play it in a close-up of, like....
353
00:49:08,854 --> 00:49:11,188
You go, "Is he gonna go bullshit
for this whole thing?"
354
00:49:11,356 --> 00:49:13,357
Or then he kind of goes: Ha, ha, ha.
355
00:49:13,625 --> 00:49:15,226
God bless you.
356
00:49:15,394 --> 00:49:17,094
He's 7.
357
00:49:17,262 --> 00:49:21,999
In the revival tent, we were using
these 60-watt old-fashioned bulbs.
358
00:49:22,167 --> 00:49:24,969
You know, that are from, like--
You know, the period-made gloves.
359
00:49:25,137 --> 00:49:26,837
Kind of the way they did in the old days.
360
00:49:27,005 --> 00:49:30,307
So okay, well, I'll let this room light itself
with 60-watt bulbs.
361
00:49:30,475 --> 00:49:31,976
Should be no issue.
362
00:49:32,144 --> 00:49:34,345
I mean, I've never had issue
on film before.
363
00:49:34,513 --> 00:49:36,380
But when I get there on the day...
364
00:49:36,548 --> 00:49:38,449
...and it's too late
for me to change anything...
365
00:49:38,617 --> 00:49:43,120
...I go to the gaffer. I go, like, "Chris,
are these all, you know, 100 percent?"
366
00:49:43,355 --> 00:49:45,156
Uh, heh....
367
00:49:45,323 --> 00:49:48,092
And he goes, "Yeah, yeah,
they're all 100 percent."
368
00:49:48,660 --> 00:49:51,095
"Shit, I don't have enough light."
369
00:49:51,696 --> 00:49:54,632
There's nothing I can do. This was
the whole idea for lighting this thing.
370
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,867
It was like, you know,
these bulbs light the scene...
371
00:49:57,035 --> 00:49:58,536
...and we're calling it this.
372
00:49:58,703 --> 00:50:01,372
I don't do anything, anywhere.
This is it.
373
00:50:01,940 --> 00:50:06,177
And, you know, pulled it out,
running at about, like, 140 volts.
374
00:50:06,344 --> 00:50:08,813
Just trying to get every single ounce
of light from this thing.
375
00:50:08,980 --> 00:50:11,482
I might even increased the shutter,
open more from the 180...
376
00:50:11,650 --> 00:50:14,218
...to the 230 or something like that.
377
00:50:14,386 --> 00:50:17,588
And I said, "Really, these are 60 watts?"
378
00:50:17,789 --> 00:50:21,158
You open them up. Normally, you could
light a scene like that comfortably...
379
00:50:21,326 --> 00:50:24,395
...with, like, 25 watts,
you know, standard.
380
00:50:24,563 --> 00:50:27,031
I mean, you'd be totally fine,
but that one was just--
381
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:29,467
That was a little bit of a, "Oh, God."
382
00:50:29,634 --> 00:50:33,637
I need you to pay a little bit more attention
to this area of the room.
383
00:50:33,805 --> 00:50:37,274
Project into here, because it's so nice
if we have you on both.
384
00:50:37,442 --> 00:50:40,911
You know, kind of looking over
the congregation here.
385
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:45,015
HENSON: The first day of shooting for me
in New Orleans was the revival tent.
386
00:50:45,183 --> 00:50:49,920
And for some reason that day,
it was extremely cold.
387
00:50:50,088 --> 00:50:53,090
The wind was whipping.
I thought Katrina was back.
388
00:50:54,059 --> 00:50:57,528
Think I got sick that first day too,
because it was so cold.
389
00:50:57,696 --> 00:50:59,597
So Lance, let's see pushing Taraji back...
390
00:50:59,764 --> 00:51:02,266
...and let me just see Taraji fall.
391
00:51:03,235 --> 00:51:04,735
-Praise God!
CROWD: Praise God!
392
00:51:04,903 --> 00:51:05,936
Hallelujah.
393
00:51:06,104 --> 00:51:07,972
FINCHER:
"In the name of God's glory, rise up."
394
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:09,974
Forget the wheelchair.
395
00:51:10,142 --> 00:51:12,243
-He's gonna walk without anything.
NICHOLS: Right.
396
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:15,546
There's not gonna be-- It's not like
he's gonna go from a wheelchair...
397
00:51:15,714 --> 00:51:17,148
...to a crutch. No.
398
00:51:17,315 --> 00:51:21,218
We're gonna go-- We're gonna bypass that.
We're going right to run.
399
00:51:21,386 --> 00:51:22,520
[CHEERING]
400
00:51:22,687 --> 00:51:25,589
Walk on. Yes.
401
00:51:25,757 --> 00:51:27,258
That's right, Benjamin.
402
00:51:27,425 --> 00:51:29,460
Let the Lord carry you.
403
00:51:29,628 --> 00:51:34,698
HENSON: I actually developed a certain love
for each different stand-in.
404
00:51:34,866 --> 00:51:37,801
Which only helped
when they superimposed Brad's face later...
405
00:51:37,969 --> 00:51:39,270
...because it looks consistent.
406
00:51:39,437 --> 00:51:41,605
Hallelujah.
407
00:51:41,773 --> 00:51:42,940
[CROWD CHEERING THEN GASPS]
408
00:51:43,108 --> 00:51:44,375
[WOMEN GASP]
409
00:51:44,543 --> 00:51:48,412
I'm a mother, and my son is 14 now.
410
00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:49,980
So, you know, they have different--
411
00:51:50,148 --> 00:51:52,516
You have different phases
of your relationship.
412
00:51:52,684 --> 00:51:54,385
And that's just how it reads, you know.
413
00:51:54,553 --> 00:51:57,655
Because the shortest guy, Peter,
I had a certain love for him.
414
00:51:57,822 --> 00:52:01,325
And then the next guy, Robert, when he
came in, then it turned into something else.
415
00:52:01,493 --> 00:52:04,695
It reads, like,
just a normal mother-son relationship.
416
00:52:04,863 --> 00:52:07,131
"When am I gonna die, Mama?"
"Tomorrow. Now go to sleep."
417
00:52:07,299 --> 00:52:08,832
HENSON:
You would never know that:
418
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,268
"Oh, she's acting opposite
someone that's not Brad."
419
00:52:11,436 --> 00:52:15,306
FINCHER: Okay, and you're reaching up
for comfort. And action.
420
00:52:16,308 --> 00:52:18,809
Too fast. Once again.
421
00:52:19,411 --> 00:52:22,112
And action.
422
00:52:23,915 --> 00:52:25,716
BADALAMENTI:
It might be difficult for them...
423
00:52:25,884 --> 00:52:28,719
...because you're looking at somebody
like me, with nodes and blue dots.
424
00:52:28,887 --> 00:52:34,024
And if they were looking for available
stimulus in some aspect like that...
425
00:52:34,192 --> 00:52:36,293
...it might be confusing or dis--
426
00:52:36,461 --> 00:52:40,064
You know, it might be irritating
for them to look at or just funny.
427
00:52:40,232 --> 00:52:41,932
There you go.
428
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:45,269
Okay, nope, eye line's too wide.
Have him look right here.
429
00:52:45,437 --> 00:52:46,971
Just look at right here.
430
00:52:47,606 --> 00:52:49,306
DOYLE:
One of the biggest issues we had...
431
00:52:49,474 --> 00:52:51,542
...along the lines
of a location manager's problem...
432
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:53,877
...is that this is a city
that had 800 people...
433
00:52:54,045 --> 00:52:56,280
...in their Public Works Department
before the hurricane.
434
00:52:56,448 --> 00:53:01,185
And on November 15th, 2005,
they had 14.
435
00:53:01,353 --> 00:53:03,988
Because they had zero tax base,
and they couldn't pay them.
436
00:53:04,155 --> 00:53:07,358
So they, literally, laid off 700 people.
437
00:53:07,525 --> 00:53:10,995
So Public Works, for a location manager,
you so rely on them.
438
00:53:11,162 --> 00:53:14,365
They're the people that deal
with your street signs and all that other--
439
00:53:14,532 --> 00:53:16,300
But I’m also dealing
with a period picture.
440
00:53:16,468 --> 00:53:19,937
There's no parking meters
and electronic parking kiosks...
441
00:53:20,105 --> 00:53:21,605
...and those new cobra heads.
442
00:53:21,773 --> 00:53:24,241
These are all things
that we would normally pay...
443
00:53:24,409 --> 00:53:26,744
...a city's Public Works Department
to remove.
444
00:53:26,911 --> 00:53:30,748
And we'd put up our fake things.
Well, there is nobody to pay.
445
00:53:30,915 --> 00:53:34,485
So it was a huge problem. And it lasted
straight through all of production.
446
00:53:34,653 --> 00:53:36,520
We would have to get
our own contractors...
447
00:53:36,688 --> 00:53:38,989
...some of them staffed
by former Public Works workers.
448
00:53:39,157 --> 00:53:43,327
Doing as much as we can, so David
had to do as little as possible in post.
449
00:53:43,495 --> 00:53:46,664
He already had so much to do in post,
anyways, and visual effects.
450
00:53:46,831 --> 00:53:50,634
All right, let's clear. This is picture.
Everybody clear, please.
451
00:53:51,403 --> 00:53:53,537
MAN 1: I’m ready.
-The sun should hold for a minute.
452
00:53:53,705 --> 00:53:54,905
MAN 2:
Thank you. Here we go.
453
00:53:55,907 --> 00:53:57,708
Officer Kauffman, lock it up, please.
454
00:53:57,876 --> 00:54:00,177
David, effects, you cool?
455
00:54:00,812 --> 00:54:04,114
DALTON: In the script, it has a simple scene
calling for a trolley car.
456
00:54:04,282 --> 00:54:05,749
I go, "Great. They'll get a camera...
457
00:54:05,917 --> 00:54:08,619
...they'll hop on the trolley car,
I'll have a nice day."
458
00:54:08,787 --> 00:54:11,388
No way.
Trolley cars were out of commission.
459
00:54:12,457 --> 00:54:15,025
DOYLE: The cantanary system
was badly damaged in Katrina...
460
00:54:15,193 --> 00:54:17,328
...and then it was finished off
at Hurricane Rita...
461
00:54:17,495 --> 00:54:21,732
...which had much higher winds that hit
right there in the middle of New Orleans.
462
00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:23,500
So there was no running streetcar...
463
00:54:23,668 --> 00:54:25,969
...in a movie that had
five or six streetcar scenes.
464
00:54:26,137 --> 00:54:28,272
I mean, it's iconic for the city.
465
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,208
So there was another thing
that the special-effects guys...
466
00:54:31,376 --> 00:54:34,578
...and, in some part, the location team,
but everyone, had to overcome.
467
00:54:35,847 --> 00:54:39,149
DALTON: So we had about a three-block
sequence of a trolley car...
468
00:54:39,317 --> 00:54:42,086
...that has to start, stop, run
and take off...
469
00:54:42,253 --> 00:54:44,988
...as if it was fully controlled
by the overhead wires.
470
00:54:45,156 --> 00:54:48,559
DOYLE: We shut down three different
crossovers on St. Charles Boulevard...
471
00:54:48,727 --> 00:54:50,894
...and put cable down on the ground.
472
00:54:51,062 --> 00:54:53,897
So we could pull the streetcar
back and forth in the shot.
473
00:54:54,065 --> 00:54:57,368
And they could stop it on a dime,
like a ski lift.
474
00:54:57,535 --> 00:55:01,538
Which costs a lot more than just having
the streetcar go by and do the shot.
475
00:55:02,607 --> 00:55:05,409
DALTON: We couldn't tow it with
a vehicle, because it'd be in the shot.
476
00:55:05,577 --> 00:55:07,177
It would be hard
to remove a tow vehicle.
477
00:55:07,345 --> 00:55:09,413
The camera watches it come into frame,
cross frame...
478
00:55:09,581 --> 00:55:11,448
-...and then follow out of frame.
-Roll, please.
479
00:55:11,616 --> 00:55:15,085
DALTON: So we ran about a 600-foot,
half-inch cable through a pulley system...
480
00:55:15,253 --> 00:55:16,754
...run by a hundred-horsepower motor.
481
00:55:17,122 --> 00:55:19,490
The cable car weighs
about 45,000 pounds...
482
00:55:19,657 --> 00:55:21,892
...and had to get going
about 12 miles an hour.
483
00:55:22,060 --> 00:55:25,729
So you figure what it takes to start
and stop this mass once it's moving...
484
00:55:25,897 --> 00:55:28,832
...and to stop it within one foot
of where our character's supposed to be.
485
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,703
He's supposed to be able to walk, lift his
foot up, step onto it without a pause...
486
00:55:32,871 --> 00:55:35,506
...not catch up to it, not walk back to it.
487
00:55:35,673 --> 00:55:37,808
And then have it take off again
right away.
488
00:55:37,976 --> 00:55:42,513
So, uh, to build that whole system,
just for that sequence...
489
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,014
...was completely unexpected.
490
00:55:44,182 --> 00:55:48,752
I thought, "Well, heck, we'll just
tell the trolley guy to run the trolley car."
491
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,687
Didn't happen.
492
00:55:54,993 --> 00:55:59,329
DOYLE: Back in the spring of 2005,
before Katrina, David came out...
493
00:55:59,497 --> 00:56:02,766
...specifically, to help pick out
what was gonna be our main location.
494
00:56:08,907 --> 00:56:10,707
-Love this.
MAN: Yeah, that's the old style.
495
00:56:10,875 --> 00:56:12,075
-That's what we want.
MAN: Yep.
496
00:56:12,243 --> 00:56:14,411
DOYLE: We looked at examples.
David liked them...
497
00:56:14,579 --> 00:56:18,749
...but there was always
one or two things wrong, and we literally...
498
00:56:18,917 --> 00:56:21,819
...got in our car
and drove around the Garden District.
499
00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:26,523
And, you know, he saw two or three houses
that he wanted further investigation.
500
00:56:26,691 --> 00:56:29,693
And one of them was a house
at 2707 Coliseum...
501
00:56:29,861 --> 00:56:31,829
...intersection of 4th and Coliseum.
502
00:56:31,996 --> 00:56:34,898
We went up. We knocked on the door.
There was nothing.
503
00:56:35,066 --> 00:56:37,835
You could see that really,
nobody really lived in that place.
504
00:56:38,002 --> 00:56:40,637
There was furniture, but there were sheets
over all the furniture.
505
00:56:40,805 --> 00:56:43,507
It was our mission to find out
who owned it, how I can get into it...
506
00:56:43,675 --> 00:56:45,542
...at least photograph it,
to see if it'll work.
507
00:56:45,710 --> 00:56:47,377
And it ends up being Mrs. Nolan...
508
00:56:47,545 --> 00:56:49,646
...who, through her husband's side
of the family...
509
00:56:49,814 --> 00:56:52,516
...had occupied that house
since the 1870s.
510
00:56:52,684 --> 00:56:55,152
One of the longest contiguous
single-family ownerships...
511
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,154
...of one of the houses
in the Garden District.
512
00:56:57,322 --> 00:57:00,390
She was in her 80s and had evacuated
the house because of Katrina...
513
00:57:00,558 --> 00:57:01,925
...and gone to Houston.
514
00:57:02,093 --> 00:57:03,293
So now, we chased her down...
515
00:57:03,461 --> 00:57:05,629
...to her youngest daughter's house
in Houston.
516
00:57:05,797 --> 00:57:08,765
And they were kind of hesitant.
So that's when I went on the Internet...
517
00:57:08,933 --> 00:57:12,135
...found an original edition
of the Jazz series...
518
00:57:12,303 --> 00:57:15,072
...with a special little bookmark
where the "Benjamin Button" story...
519
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:16,540
...is in the Jazz series.
520
00:57:16,708 --> 00:57:19,209
It was the first edition
and sent it to them.
521
00:57:19,377 --> 00:57:22,179
And that's when Mrs. Nolan
gave me a call...
522
00:57:22,347 --> 00:57:25,816
...and said
in a beautiful Southern accent...
523
00:57:25,984 --> 00:57:31,054
...because I believe she was
the Cotton Maid of 1937 out of Mississippi.
524
00:57:31,222 --> 00:57:33,924
Beautiful accent.
Said, "Well, we could talk about this."
525
00:57:34,092 --> 00:57:36,660
So that's what we did.
I got on a plane, flew to Houston.
526
00:57:36,828 --> 00:57:39,429
And we had a great conversation
about what we were trying to do...
527
00:57:39,597 --> 00:57:40,797
...how long it might take...
528
00:57:40,965 --> 00:57:44,468
...and the fact that it's perfect timing,
because she's not there.
529
00:57:44,769 --> 00:57:48,038
And she's got a little soft spot
for Paramount, which helped a lot.
530
00:57:48,206 --> 00:57:51,475
Because she had had a screen test
at Paramount back in the late '30s...
531
00:57:51,643 --> 00:57:54,311
...with Fred MacMurray.
And they had offered her a contract.
532
00:57:54,479 --> 00:57:56,947
And she decided she wasn't cut out
for Hollywood...
533
00:57:57,115 --> 00:58:00,484
...and she wanted to stay in New Orleans
and start a family out there...
534
00:58:00,652 --> 00:58:02,119
...for the betterment of New Orleans.
535
00:58:02,287 --> 00:58:05,556
And in the end, it helped us out as well.
She always had a little soft spot for us.
536
00:58:05,723 --> 00:58:07,391
So that's the layout here.
537
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:08,592
-Okay.
-Okay.
538
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,060
So then back here--
539
00:58:10,228 --> 00:58:13,363
You know, there's always some kind
of activity going on around here.
540
00:58:13,531 --> 00:58:16,233
So even in the background and stuff,
we wanna, as much as possible...
541
00:58:16,401 --> 00:58:20,904
...see kids playing, people doing laundry
and stuff over there.
542
00:58:21,072 --> 00:58:24,841
DOYLE: The beautiful part of that house,
literally, 360 degrees around you...
543
00:58:25,009 --> 00:58:28,612
...was all pre-1900, every building.
544
00:58:28,780 --> 00:58:32,449
So all the scenes that you see filmed there,
there's no cheating.
545
00:58:32,617 --> 00:58:35,986
You're in the house, you walk out
the front door onto the porch...
546
00:58:36,154 --> 00:58:39,623
...and everything you see there is real.
547
00:58:40,925 --> 00:58:44,494
BURT: For the Nolan house, what we did,
we built a porch around the back corner.
548
00:58:44,662 --> 00:58:47,064
That would afford us the ability
to go out the side doors...
549
00:58:47,231 --> 00:58:51,401
...and go out onto a porch and have
vistas into the backyard and so forth.
550
00:58:51,569 --> 00:58:53,870
And it had quite a bit of yard space
in the back.
551
00:58:54,038 --> 00:58:55,973
So we were able to build
a servant quarter...
552
00:58:56,140 --> 00:58:59,910
...which is sort of a two-story,
double-gallery home in New Orleans...
553
00:59:00,078 --> 00:59:04,181
...where, in the early days, servants
would often live behind the houses.
554
00:59:04,349 --> 00:59:06,917
And we also built
a exterior kitchen there.
555
00:59:07,085 --> 00:59:11,888
Imagine that this house in that period,
the kitchen would've been outside.
556
00:59:12,056 --> 00:59:16,994
So all the food's prepared here,
and it goes into the warming pantry.
557
00:59:17,161 --> 00:59:21,164
MAN 1:
Background and action.
558
00:59:21,699 --> 00:59:24,301
MAN 2:
For each new morning with its light...
559
00:59:24,469 --> 00:59:26,870
...for rest and shelter of the night....
560
00:59:27,038 --> 00:59:29,506
ZOLFO: My favorite set in the whole film
was the Nolan house...
561
00:59:29,674 --> 00:59:33,210
...because, to me, it's as big a character
as Benjamin.
562
00:59:33,378 --> 00:59:35,812
I was able to think about that set...
563
00:59:35,980 --> 00:59:38,882
...in ways that I've rarely been able
to think about any other.
564
00:59:39,050 --> 00:59:43,320
Because it lives,
it goes through so many transitions.
565
00:59:43,488 --> 00:59:46,857
And every time we come back
to that house, it's slightly different.
566
00:59:47,025 --> 00:59:50,093
It's just a really fantastic experience
and a lot of fun...
567
00:59:50,261 --> 00:59:52,462
...to sort of take a building
and make it a character...
568
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:57,601
...and make it change and evolve
and get sad and be joyful.
569
00:59:57,769 --> 00:59:58,802
MAN:
Here we go.
570
00:59:58,970 --> 01:00:00,604
And roll it.
571
01:00:00,772 --> 01:00:03,473
ZOLFO: And clearly, in a movie like this
that's so vast...
572
01:00:03,641 --> 01:00:05,042
...you can't shoot it in sequence.
573
01:00:05,209 --> 01:00:09,980
So it was a constant, you know, jumping
from decade to decade, and era to era.
574
01:00:10,148 --> 01:00:11,748
MAN:
Just so everyone's on the same page.
575
01:00:11,916 --> 01:00:14,818
We do this shot, then we're done
with this area for today.
576
01:00:14,986 --> 01:00:16,853
It will be first up tomorrow.
577
01:00:17,021 --> 01:00:19,823
Let's bring the dark furniture
in a little bit.
578
01:00:20,224 --> 01:00:21,625
ZOLFO:
Logistically, it was tricky.
579
01:00:21,793 --> 01:00:25,295
I mean, we were fortunate
that we had our storage nearby...
580
01:00:25,463 --> 01:00:29,599
...and we sort of had every version
of the house sort of--
581
01:00:29,767 --> 01:00:31,968
We tried to keep it organized
and always be able to:
582
01:00:32,136 --> 01:00:35,205
"Okay, we're doing 36 tomorrow.
Let's bring that in."
583
01:00:35,573 --> 01:00:37,808
MAN:
Okay, stand by for another rehearsal.
584
01:00:38,676 --> 01:00:41,078
-As soon as you hear them clap.
FANNING: Okay.
585
01:00:41,245 --> 01:00:42,379
-And then you-- Okay?
-Okay.
586
01:00:42,547 --> 01:00:43,647
MAN:
Here we go.
587
01:00:43,815 --> 01:00:48,351
MRS. FULLER: Benjamin, might I say
you are looking strikingly youthful.
588
01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:51,588
Grandma! Look at me!
589
01:00:52,557 --> 01:00:55,025
MRS. FULLER:
That was really something.
590
01:00:55,193 --> 01:00:57,994
Come over here, you.
591
01:00:58,463 --> 01:00:59,496
MAN 1: Cut it.
MAN 2: Cut.
592
01:00:59,664 --> 01:01:01,565
Can we just see her on the mark, please?
593
01:01:01,733 --> 01:01:04,234
For some reason, the last time
you ran like Charlton Heston.
594
01:01:04,402 --> 01:01:07,070
I have to have you run
a little bit straighter.
595
01:01:09,207 --> 01:01:10,307
WOMAN:
Line up.
596
01:01:10,475 --> 01:01:12,075
Here we go. Back to one. The sun's out.
597
01:01:12,243 --> 01:01:13,977
MAN 3:
Here we go.
598
01:01:14,879 --> 01:01:17,881
Watch this. You think you're so great.
599
01:01:20,918 --> 01:01:22,385
Can you do that?
600
01:01:24,288 --> 01:01:25,989
Sweet Jesus. Benjamin. Benjamin!
601
01:01:26,157 --> 01:01:27,524
Get up from there, right now.
602
01:01:27,692 --> 01:01:30,427
You are about
to break your old fool neck.
603
01:01:30,595 --> 01:01:35,031
Usually, if you're playing a character
who ages, you play a small section of it.
604
01:01:35,533 --> 01:01:39,703
Um.... And the very fact that I'm the voice
of Daisy from the age of 6...
605
01:01:39,871 --> 01:01:41,238
...all the way through to 86.
606
01:01:41,405 --> 01:01:43,306
So there's a part of me
in every aspect of her...
607
01:01:43,474 --> 01:01:45,542
...and I pick her up,
I think, when she's 17.
608
01:01:45,710 --> 01:01:49,312
That is an incredible, um,
almost impossible opportunity.
609
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,181
So that was the challenge.
610
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:54,317
And not to shy away
from the intense self-involvement...
611
01:01:54,485 --> 01:01:56,019
...the narcissism of youth.
612
01:01:56,187 --> 01:01:58,021
Oh, my God.
I've just been talking and talking.
613
01:01:58,189 --> 01:02:00,023
No, no, I've enjoyed listening.
614
01:02:00,191 --> 01:02:03,627
I found that probably the most
painful part of the film to inhabit...
615
01:02:03,795 --> 01:02:06,596
...because, you know, when I look back
on myself as a teenager...
616
01:02:06,764 --> 01:02:08,165
...particularly now I’m a parent...
617
01:02:08,332 --> 01:02:11,268
...there's something quite abhorrent
and self-involved about it...
618
01:02:11,435 --> 01:02:15,038
...that hopefully you move beyond
as you get older.
619
01:02:15,206 --> 01:02:17,340
MAN 1: Background.
MAN 2: Background.
620
01:02:17,508 --> 01:02:20,343
BENJAMIN:
And so I went to sea.
621
01:02:20,511 --> 01:02:24,581
HARRIS: It was a little bizarre, because
I'd tell my friends back home and my wife:
622
01:02:24,749 --> 01:02:27,217
"I'm working with Brad Pitt." You know?
623
01:02:27,385 --> 01:02:29,553
And then it was like,
"How was it with Brad today?"
624
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,423
"No, he wasn't there. It was this guy
Robert with a blue hood on his head."
625
01:02:33,591 --> 01:02:37,394
Did I ever tell you I was struck
by lightning seven times?
626
01:02:37,562 --> 01:02:38,929
-Stop.
MAN: Okay.
627
01:02:40,431 --> 01:02:43,099
MIKE: So Jared, not quite at the eye line
that you gave me.
628
01:02:43,267 --> 01:02:45,468
You're looking at him,
he stands up, look at his face...
629
01:02:45,636 --> 01:02:49,039
...then look at his feet,
then look back at him, like, "What?"
630
01:02:49,207 --> 01:02:51,241
HARRIS:
The tugboat, it was called the Jupiter.
631
01:02:51,409 --> 01:02:55,078
But I think David found out
that I was a Manchester United fan...
632
01:02:55,246 --> 01:02:58,148
...so he changed the boat
to the Chelsea.
633
01:02:58,649 --> 01:03:00,717
Just to wind me up.
634
01:03:00,885 --> 01:03:04,187
Anybody wanna make $2
for a day's work around here?
635
01:03:04,355 --> 01:03:06,489
-Nobody wants a job?
BENJAMIN: I do.
636
01:03:10,561 --> 01:03:12,495
You got your sea legs about you,
old man?
637
01:03:12,663 --> 01:03:13,964
I do.
638
01:03:14,131 --> 01:03:15,365
I think.
639
01:03:15,533 --> 01:03:19,569
DOYLE: We shot the tugboat early on,
maybe week one or two in Morgan City.
640
01:03:19,737 --> 01:03:24,474
Meanwhile, Don Burt and his crew were
back here building enormous sets at Sony.
641
01:04:00,411 --> 01:04:03,613
DALTON: The ship was 90 feet long,
almost 30 feet wide.
642
01:04:03,781 --> 01:04:05,015
It's 20 feet in the air...
643
01:04:05,182 --> 01:04:08,251
...by the time you build the base
and have it above the trunnion.
644
01:04:08,419 --> 01:04:13,023
It's built into a tank that's 20 feet deep.
It weighs about 140,000 pounds...
645
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:15,625
...above the trunnion, not the base,
just the actual ship.
646
01:04:16,227 --> 01:04:20,797
That was like a movie in itself,
just building this entire structure.
647
01:04:32,410 --> 01:04:34,144
MAN:
Cut, cut. Go it again.
648
01:04:34,312 --> 01:04:37,547
Hey, Burt, do one with you
panning around in the gunfire.
649
01:04:37,715 --> 01:04:39,916
FINCHER: Do one where the light's
panned on to him more.
650
01:04:40,084 --> 01:04:41,284
MAN: Yeah, yeah.
FINCHER: Okay.
651
01:04:41,452 --> 01:04:44,154
And do one more.
You have to pan the light over.
652
01:04:44,322 --> 01:04:47,023
DALTON: It has to do a multitude of
things. It had to be lazy...
653
01:04:47,191 --> 01:04:48,291
...on the Mississippi River.
654
01:04:48,459 --> 01:04:51,294
It had to be able to pitch and roll
as if it was on the ocean.
655
01:04:51,595 --> 01:04:54,631
It had to be able to pitch, roll and heave
as if it there was heavier seas.
656
01:04:54,799 --> 01:04:56,466
And ultimately, when it crashes...
657
01:04:56,634 --> 01:05:00,537
...it actually has to be able to hit the
submarine and ride up out of the water...
658
01:05:00,705 --> 01:05:02,105
...without the stern of the ship...
659
01:05:02,273 --> 01:05:05,141
...dipping below the surface of the water,
because it wouldn't look real.
660
01:05:05,309 --> 01:05:08,545
The stern of the ship wouldn't just drop
below the surface if the front goes up.
661
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:13,683
The bow of the ship would rise up
about 20 feet...
662
01:05:13,851 --> 01:05:15,652
...so we were doing
about a meter a second...
663
01:05:15,820 --> 01:05:18,388
...with our lead actor on the bow,
at maximum height.
664
01:05:18,556 --> 01:05:20,323
He's 40 feet from the concrete below.
665
01:05:20,491 --> 01:05:24,494
You're really concerned
about safety, function and realism.
666
01:05:24,662 --> 01:05:28,965
Finally, we're making a movie
with a theme-park ride, finally.
667
01:05:29,467 --> 01:05:31,968
And all the interiors for the tugboats
were separate sets.
668
01:05:32,136 --> 01:05:36,439
The galley, the bunk area, the wheel house,
all those were separate sets.
669
01:05:36,607 --> 01:05:38,641
And those were all on gimbals as well.
670
01:05:38,809 --> 01:05:41,444
So that we could replicate
the movement of the boat.
671
01:05:42,847 --> 01:05:44,514
ZOLFO:
Most directors aren't like Fincher.
672
01:05:44,682 --> 01:05:50,487
Fincher thinks about every prop,
every piece of dressing, every flit of hair.
673
01:05:50,654 --> 01:05:54,157
You don't get that with most directors.
Most directors look at the big picture.
674
01:05:54,325 --> 01:05:57,293
When you give them a set,
it's either working for them or it isn't.
675
01:05:57,461 --> 01:06:01,965
And David is looking at what's written in
the notebook or what the palette is doing.
676
01:06:02,133 --> 01:06:04,467
And while all those things are usually...
677
01:06:04,635 --> 01:06:07,837
...something a good Art Department and
a good production designer will control...
678
01:06:08,005 --> 01:06:10,273
...and a director will never even notice...
679
01:06:10,441 --> 01:06:13,043
...David Fincher is not that guy.
680
01:06:13,444 --> 01:06:14,544
Cut it.
681
01:06:14,712 --> 01:06:15,979
MAN: Cut.
WOMAN: Cut.
682
01:06:16,147 --> 01:06:18,615
ORMOND: What is extraordinary
about him, from my perspective...
683
01:06:18,783 --> 01:06:22,452
...is that when somebody has
a particular leaning as a director...
684
01:06:22,620 --> 01:06:26,289
...that usually takes away
from another aspect of them as a director.
685
01:06:26,457 --> 01:06:29,559
If they're very technically minded...
686
01:06:29,727 --> 01:06:32,595
...they'll be at the monitor,
they'll never come out from it.
687
01:06:32,763 --> 01:06:37,367
They're not so focused on the acting,
or that's not their strength.
688
01:06:37,535 --> 01:06:40,437
Or, not that it's not their strength,
it's not their interest.
689
01:06:40,604 --> 01:06:41,704
MAN:
Action.
690
01:06:41,872 --> 01:06:45,341
FINCHER: I think he is 40 percent left,
40 percent on that frame left.
691
01:06:45,709 --> 01:06:47,043
And then as the car pulls in--
692
01:06:47,211 --> 01:06:51,815
ORMOND: So for me, what was amazing
about him and also slightly alarming...
693
01:06:51,982 --> 01:06:55,018
...was that he kind of-- He has all of it.
694
01:06:55,186 --> 01:06:57,654
He's not afraid
to continue to challenge you.
695
01:06:57,822 --> 01:06:59,589
He has very specific ideas.
696
01:06:59,757 --> 01:07:02,692
FINCHER: Can we do one more pick-up?
MAN: Okay, cut, reset, straight away.
697
01:07:02,860 --> 01:07:04,561
All right, once again. Here we go.
698
01:07:04,728 --> 01:07:07,597
FLEMYNG: People are frightened of him.
I think he's got a reputation for:
699
01:07:07,765 --> 01:07:10,633
"If you're not really brilliant at what you do,
you will be found out...
700
01:07:10,801 --> 01:07:13,570
...and I will rip you to shreds." You know:
701
01:07:13,737 --> 01:07:15,872
"Take all your clothes off
and beat you with a stick."
702
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,241
I think that's unfair.
I didn't really see that happen.
703
01:07:18,409 --> 01:07:19,576
But he knows what he's doing.
704
01:07:19,743 --> 01:07:22,745
You can't pull the wool over his eyes.
And he's quite direct.
705
01:07:22,913 --> 01:07:23,947
Thank God.
706
01:07:24,115 --> 01:07:26,583
If someone says they can't do it,
he'll go, "Well, why?"
707
01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:28,852
And that can be unnerving, you know.
708
01:07:29,019 --> 01:07:31,221
Turn and let me see your look.
709
01:07:31,388 --> 01:07:33,156
Okay, step in back.
710
01:07:33,324 --> 01:07:35,125
Okay, slide three inches
to your right.
711
01:07:35,292 --> 01:07:36,459
Do you want me to go further?
712
01:07:36,627 --> 01:07:39,562
FINCHER:
No, no, a little bit more left, if anything.
713
01:07:39,730 --> 01:07:42,732
BLANCHETT:
The thing that David has in spades is rigor.
714
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:44,400
You know, he's a perfectionist.
715
01:07:44,568 --> 01:07:46,503
But not for its own sake.
716
01:07:46,670 --> 01:07:49,806
My manager warned me.
My agent warned me.
717
01:07:49,974 --> 01:07:54,777
I heard other actors tell me, "Man, David
does, man, 40 takes just to open a door."
718
01:07:54,945 --> 01:07:57,914
I'm going, "Wow, really?"
And I’m kind of getting a little nervous.
719
01:07:58,315 --> 01:08:01,885
I was coming down some steps,
and the shot was just on my feet.
720
01:08:02,052 --> 01:08:03,686
We did that at least 20 times.
721
01:08:03,854 --> 01:08:06,623
I'm just going down the stairs.
"Nope," going down, "Nope.
722
01:08:06,790 --> 01:08:09,025
Not that kind of step,
more this kind of step.
723
01:08:09,193 --> 01:08:10,360
Try it like this."
724
01:08:10,528 --> 01:08:12,996
And I’m going,
wow, like, this is really specific...
725
01:08:13,164 --> 01:08:16,733
...but I got it, because he's telling the story
even down to the feet.
726
01:08:16,901 --> 01:08:19,135
I think the bench has to go camera left
a little bit.
727
01:08:19,303 --> 01:08:20,737
Greg, six inches, camera left.
728
01:08:20,905 --> 01:08:23,173
Camera left on the bench,
six inches, please.
729
01:08:31,415 --> 01:08:34,517
MOHADI: I didn't count most of the time
how many takes I'm taking.
730
01:08:34,685 --> 01:08:38,755
He's the director, he knows what he wants.
If you don't give it to him....
731
01:08:38,989 --> 01:08:44,194
Then, you know, if it means
that he drills it out of you, then why not?
732
01:08:44,962 --> 01:08:47,830
MIKE:
You gotta be what you're meant to be.
733
01:08:48,132 --> 01:08:52,168
And I happen to be
a goddamned artist.
734
01:08:52,336 --> 01:08:53,903
You're a tugboat captain.
735
01:08:54,071 --> 01:08:57,440
I've done lots of independent films,
and you get three takes or something.
736
01:08:57,608 --> 01:09:00,443
Barely. In fact, you hardly can afford
to do one take.
737
01:09:00,611 --> 01:09:02,979
You know,
on some of these things, now.
738
01:09:06,150 --> 01:09:07,684
So I loved it.
739
01:09:07,851 --> 01:09:09,852
You don't get to act that often
as an actor.
740
01:09:10,020 --> 01:09:11,754
You know,
most of the time you spend waiting.
741
01:09:11,922 --> 01:09:14,557
I loved the amount of time,
the amount of takes.
742
01:09:14,725 --> 01:09:17,193
He'd let you go until you felt
that you were happy...
743
01:09:17,361 --> 01:09:19,596
...he was happy, you know. I loved it.
744
01:09:19,763 --> 01:09:23,132
Most times, in film, you get your takes,
and you go away, and it's like:
745
01:09:23,300 --> 01:09:25,935
"I wish I could have tried it this way."
746
01:09:26,103 --> 01:09:30,506
But with David, you have enough time
to try it as many ways possible.
747
01:09:30,674 --> 01:09:33,910
Finch lets you go
through the whole gamut, like, so--
748
01:09:34,078 --> 01:09:36,746
If it's like, you know, "you're my son,"
it goes from--
749
01:09:36,914 --> 01:09:39,449
It would go--
We did, like, 30 takes and....
750
01:09:39,617 --> 01:09:41,384
Using it as an example of the scenes...
751
01:09:41,552 --> 01:09:43,486
...but I’d be like, "You're my son!"...
752
01:09:43,654 --> 01:09:44,854
...all the way down to:
753
01:09:45,022 --> 01:09:46,122
[WHISPERING]
"You're my son."
754
01:09:46,290 --> 01:09:50,059
[IN NORMAL VOICE] And the whole arch
that that takes you through.
755
01:09:50,394 --> 01:09:52,462
So you get to try it in every single way.
756
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:54,731
And then Finch just takes the 35th take...
757
01:09:54,898 --> 01:09:57,834
...which was the simple one, which you
should have done in the first place.
758
01:09:58,002 --> 01:10:00,703
But he kind of lets you exercise
your need to act.
759
01:10:00,871 --> 01:10:03,306
So, Taraj, you can go a teeny bit slower.
760
01:10:03,474 --> 01:10:04,641
HENSON: Slower?
FINCHER: Yeah.
761
01:10:04,808 --> 01:10:06,709
HENSON: Okay.
FINCHER: Eight-tenths of a percent.
762
01:10:06,877 --> 01:10:09,412
MAN 1: We are rolling.
MAN 2: You do the math.
763
01:10:09,580 --> 01:10:11,781
FINCHER:
And action.
764
01:10:17,087 --> 01:10:18,655
No, no.
765
01:10:18,822 --> 01:10:20,957
She really gets up ahead of speed.
766
01:10:21,125 --> 01:10:23,726
And the sun came out.
Okay, here we go one more time.
767
01:10:23,894 --> 01:10:25,662
Uh, TJ, you left a little bit early.
768
01:10:25,829 --> 01:10:28,031
Let him get a little bit over
to the pile of leaves.
769
01:10:28,198 --> 01:10:29,832
-Let him go another 10 feet.
HENSON: Okay.
770
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,602
FINCHER: Okay, here we go.
MAN: Rolling.
771
01:10:33,904 --> 01:10:35,405
MAN:
Okay, we lost her there.
772
01:10:35,572 --> 01:10:38,041
FINCHER: Cut it.
-I’m being called into the principal's office.
773
01:10:38,208 --> 01:10:40,443
Come. Now, what is that?
774
01:10:40,611 --> 01:10:42,178
Aah! Heh, heh, heh.
775
01:10:44,782 --> 01:10:46,115
FINCHER:
That's pretty good.
776
01:10:46,483 --> 01:10:48,551
I'll take that one. We can do better.
Here we go.
777
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:51,187
-Once again.
HENSON: Teamwork.
778
01:10:52,189 --> 01:10:57,760
CANNOM: We did two weeks of makeup
tests with Taraji and Elle and Cate and Brad.
779
01:10:57,928 --> 01:10:59,762
That's one thing you have to do
with makeup...
780
01:10:59,930 --> 01:11:03,032
...which was so nice on this,
is they gave us time to test.
781
01:11:07,037 --> 01:11:10,440
HENSON: They started telling horror stories
about these big muscle guys that came.
782
01:11:10,607 --> 01:11:13,843
And they would pour the molding over,
and they would start to panic and shake.
783
01:11:14,011 --> 01:11:15,745
They would have to take them
out of the mold.
784
01:11:15,913 --> 01:11:18,715
And I said, "You know,
I really just wanna do this process once...
785
01:11:18,882 --> 01:11:21,484
...so I’m gonna be really still.
786
01:11:21,652 --> 01:11:25,321
If I start to panic, I will just find a way
to work through it."
787
01:11:28,525 --> 01:11:30,526
[INAUDIBLE DIALOGUE]
788
01:11:32,663 --> 01:11:34,764
FLEMYNG:
If you're not really a Method actor...
789
01:11:34,932 --> 01:11:38,368
...to really transform through makeup
and costume and hair...
790
01:11:38,535 --> 01:11:40,470
...is really good fun to do.
791
01:11:40,637 --> 01:11:42,939
I had, like, I think it was eight
prosthetic pieces...
792
01:11:43,107 --> 01:11:45,241
...but over the patch, what was it,
with eight pieces.
793
01:11:45,409 --> 01:11:50,646
And Finch comes to the test,
and he'd be like, "Yeah.
794
01:11:50,814 --> 01:11:53,916
The forehead is kind of
ridiculous, though." And I was like:
795
01:11:54,084 --> 01:11:57,320
"That's my forehead,"
and he was like, "What?"
796
01:11:57,488 --> 01:12:01,424
"That's the only bit that's actually me."
And he'd be like, "Oh, okay."
797
01:12:03,894 --> 01:12:06,662
It's just this chin. It's not bad.
798
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:09,699
-It’s more-- I’m, like, spongy.
-A little bit, yeah.
799
01:12:09,867 --> 01:12:14,003
CANNOM: We take Brad over at 62,
and that was the full silicone makeup...
800
01:12:14,171 --> 01:12:16,806
...with the transfer forehead
and upper lip.
801
01:12:16,974 --> 01:12:19,942
I did him at that stage,
and then I did 58...
802
01:12:20,110 --> 01:12:24,580
...and then down to 56 and 52 and 48.
803
01:12:24,748 --> 01:12:28,050
I did him down to about 45.
And at that stage...
804
01:12:28,218 --> 01:12:31,254
...I was just doing a little stipple
here and there, just slightly age him...
805
01:12:31,422 --> 01:12:34,590
...which is where you take the skin
and put on the aging rubber...
806
01:12:34,758 --> 01:12:37,794
...and you powder it, and it creates wrinkles
in their own skin.
807
01:12:37,961 --> 01:12:41,197
To take all of those stages
and make them work together...
808
01:12:41,365 --> 01:12:44,467
...the little differences you have to do
with the coloring and matching...
809
01:12:44,635 --> 01:12:49,172
...and the age-spots matching every day.
It's insane.
810
01:12:49,506 --> 01:12:53,075
Each character has its own reality.
811
01:12:53,243 --> 01:12:54,944
As long everyone's part of that reality...
812
01:12:55,112 --> 01:12:57,180
-...that's what you buy, I think.
MAN: Right.
813
01:12:57,347 --> 01:12:59,148
CANNOM:
Cate, she ages the most.
814
01:12:59,316 --> 01:13:02,018
We took her from the 40s to 85...
815
01:13:02,186 --> 01:13:04,787
...and the 85 makeup was very difficult...
816
01:13:04,955 --> 01:13:06,856
...because it's 14 appliances.
817
01:13:07,024 --> 01:13:09,659
And the transfer on that forehead
covered her eyebrows...
818
01:13:09,827 --> 01:13:12,862
...because we thought
it looked really good without eyebrows...
819
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:16,866
...because we really want her
to look sickly at that point.
820
01:13:23,340 --> 01:13:27,109
She has these incredible cheekbones.
They're just amazing...
821
01:13:27,311 --> 01:13:29,946
...and it's the hardest age makeup
I have ever done in my life...
822
01:13:30,113 --> 01:13:32,148
...because you can't put age into them.
823
01:13:32,316 --> 01:13:34,083
If I tried putting any lines into it...
824
01:13:34,251 --> 01:13:35,518
...it just looked ridiculous.
825
01:13:35,686 --> 01:13:38,120
So I ended up basically
keeping them the same...
826
01:13:38,322 --> 01:13:41,791
...and trying to put all the age down
around the mouth and into the neck.
827
01:13:41,959 --> 01:13:45,828
And I think I would go there anyway.
That's my stretch mark there.
828
01:13:45,996 --> 01:13:48,397
CANNOM: The great thing about Cate,
she's so professional...
829
01:13:48,565 --> 01:13:53,536
...that she's like, "Can we put more lines
in here, so I look sadder, you know...
830
01:13:53,704 --> 01:13:54,804
...and more wrinkles?"
831
01:13:54,972 --> 01:13:56,372
If someone's wearing a bad wig...
832
01:13:56,540 --> 01:13:58,708
...or they have terrible makeup,
prosthetic pieces...
833
01:13:58,876 --> 01:14:01,511
...you don't believe a single thing
that comes out of their mouth.
834
01:14:01,845 --> 01:14:04,413
-And this film is about life.
MAN: Roll. Rolling, rolling.
835
01:14:04,581 --> 01:14:10,019
You go on the journey of a man
from his strange birth to his death.
836
01:14:10,187 --> 01:14:13,289
And you need to know
that the parallel physical aging process...
837
01:14:13,457 --> 01:14:17,126
...that's being done by the makeup artists
is as great as Brad's performances...
838
01:14:17,294 --> 01:14:19,228
...which it absolutely was.
839
01:14:23,333 --> 01:14:25,368
DALTON: In the film,
a scene takes place in Paris...
840
01:14:25,536 --> 01:14:27,670
...and the closest thing
that looked like Paris...
841
01:14:27,838 --> 01:14:32,008
...that Location Department
could find was Montreal.
842
01:14:32,175 --> 01:14:35,044
MAN:
Ready and action!
843
01:14:35,212 --> 01:14:39,649
DOYLE: Shooting it in Paris, one, is
expensive because of the Euro is killing us.
844
01:14:39,816 --> 01:14:41,584
And, two, logistically, it's difficult.
845
01:14:41,752 --> 01:14:45,922
It makes shooting in downtown Manhattan
seem easy in a lot of ways.
846
01:14:46,089 --> 01:14:48,424
Our scope,
or how much control we needed...
847
01:14:48,592 --> 01:14:50,960
...we're talking cars, it's the costumes,
it's people...
848
01:14:51,128 --> 01:14:54,964
...it's closing down blocks and blocks
of sections of Old Montreal...
849
01:14:55,132 --> 01:14:57,033
...which is much tighter
than the French Quarter.
850
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,335
Not something the city was real keen
to doing...
851
01:14:59,503 --> 01:15:02,371
...but assisted in any way,
shape or form that they could.
852
01:15:02,673 --> 01:15:06,576
But we needed a lot of people and
a decent amount of money to pull it off.
853
01:15:06,743 --> 01:15:11,380
To me, it reinforced how much easier
I had it in the French Quarter after Katrina.
854
01:15:11,548 --> 01:15:14,317
Because here, a place was untouched
by any disaster.
855
01:15:14,484 --> 01:15:18,020
It was just as dense,
and I needed just as much control.
856
01:15:18,188 --> 01:15:19,589
I think we shot eight days there...
857
01:15:19,756 --> 01:15:22,391
...and I, personally, was there prepping
for almost two months.
858
01:15:22,559 --> 01:15:26,362
Other than that, wonderful people,
and it looked beautiful...
859
01:15:26,530 --> 01:15:29,031
...and they were all happy to see us go.
860
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:30,666
[LAUGHS]
861
01:15:32,936 --> 01:15:35,571
DALTON: And in the Russian sequence,
it was supposed to be snowing.
862
01:15:35,739 --> 01:15:39,375
So great, we're gonna be in Montreal.
It's cold in Montreal. So we fly up there...
863
01:15:39,543 --> 01:15:42,645
...and realize that we're gonna be shooting
in the tourist part of the town...
864
01:15:42,813 --> 01:15:44,213
...the old part of town.
865
01:15:44,381 --> 01:15:49,318
That you can't do anything to the town,
because of, you know, pollution...
866
01:15:49,486 --> 01:15:53,089
...or residual or any effect
it might have on the downtown area.
867
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:56,559
So the normal paper products or some
of the foam product we would use...
868
01:15:56,727 --> 01:16:00,463
...that expedite all this, that you can make
this happen quicker, can't be done.
869
01:16:00,631 --> 01:16:03,232
So we did the entire thing
in real crushed ice...
870
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:05,935
...some foam that we were allowed to use
in background sequences.
871
01:16:06,103 --> 01:16:08,504
And some poly product
that we could put along the sills...
872
01:16:08,672 --> 01:16:12,274
...as long as we vacuumed it all up,
so none of it got into the drain system.
873
01:16:12,442 --> 01:16:15,711
MAN: That's what I'm saying. Don't.
Go back to base, and we'll talk to Brad.
874
01:16:15,879 --> 01:16:19,148
See how things are going.
Give me half an hour. It’s 7:15.
875
01:16:19,316 --> 01:16:23,352
Just trust me, it would be the best
for both of us.
876
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,389
DALTON: That was daunting, we have to
bring in hundreds of tons of ice...
877
01:16:26,556 --> 01:16:29,692
...and crush it and place it
in multiple locations on the same day.
878
01:16:29,860 --> 01:16:32,628
And then, when we actually go
to film the sequence...
879
01:16:32,796 --> 01:16:35,564
...we have all the manpower in place,
truckload after truckload...
880
01:16:35,732 --> 01:16:38,701
...a 40-foot truckload of ice trucks,
three ice-grinding machines...
881
01:16:38,869 --> 01:16:44,240
...double crews. It’s in May, and it's
90-something degrees in the daytime.
882
01:16:44,408 --> 01:16:45,608
It's 70-something at night.
883
01:16:45,776 --> 01:16:47,877
It's T-shirt weather at night
in Montreal in May.
884
01:16:48,045 --> 01:16:52,381
And the ice is melting, so we constantly,
between takes, have to refresh the ice.
885
01:16:52,549 --> 01:16:54,884
Refresh the ice, grind more, grind more.
886
01:16:55,052 --> 01:16:57,086
As it's melting away,
you're trying to cover it up.
887
01:16:57,254 --> 01:16:58,587
David's trying to jokingly say:
888
01:16:58,755 --> 01:17:01,991
"World's most expensive wet-down.
Hey, Burt, why is your ice melting?"
889
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:03,726
Well, it's hot, that's why.
890
01:17:04,628 --> 01:17:07,430
MAN 1: It’s Murmansk, Russia
at 4:00 in the morning.
891
01:17:07,597 --> 01:17:08,731
MAN 2:
Hey, guys!
892
01:17:08,899 --> 01:17:10,366
Clear, get out of the shot!
893
01:17:11,368 --> 01:17:14,970
BURT: The Winter Palace Hotel, the exterior,
we actually filmed that in Montreal...
894
01:17:15,138 --> 01:17:16,172
...in the old city.
895
01:17:16,339 --> 01:17:18,674
And then,
we used that exterior as a template...
896
01:17:18,842 --> 01:17:21,844
...for an interior
built here in Los Angeles.
897
01:17:22,012 --> 01:17:25,214
With a working elevator and a dining room,
and a kitchen and a bar.
898
01:17:25,382 --> 01:17:28,217
MAN 1: Where did Brad go?
MAN 2: Well, you've already done the....
899
01:17:28,385 --> 01:17:29,418
MAN 1:
No, I understand.
900
01:17:29,586 --> 01:17:31,320
DALTON:
They're exposed, practical elevators.
901
01:17:31,488 --> 01:17:33,656
They were designed
and built by the Art Department...
902
01:17:33,824 --> 01:17:35,825
...but the function, that's our job.
903
01:17:35,992 --> 01:17:38,427
There's a lot of dialogue,
so they had to run quietly...
904
01:17:38,595 --> 01:17:40,229
...they had to run at the speed
we wanted.
905
01:17:40,397 --> 01:17:44,500
Let's say the dialogue is going on, and it's
ending on the wrong word by half a second.
906
01:17:45,535 --> 01:17:49,638
Reprogram it to be a half a second faster,
half a second slower.
907
01:17:49,873 --> 01:17:56,212
ZOLFO: The hotel needed to be a place
of former glamour, a place stuck in time...
908
01:17:56,379 --> 01:18:01,417
...much like Elizabeth Abbot,
but still romantic and melancholy...
909
01:18:01,585 --> 01:18:07,656
...and appropriate as a place for Benjamin
to have his first serious love affair...
910
01:18:07,824 --> 01:18:11,327
...with an older woman who thought
she was with an older man.
911
01:18:11,495 --> 01:18:15,030
Two, we're gonna go right from you sitting,
and then dissolve, and you'll be asleep.
912
01:18:15,198 --> 01:18:16,532
-I think so, right?
FINCHER: Okay.
913
01:18:16,700 --> 01:18:18,033
-That's fine.
-Was that too Se7en?
914
01:18:18,201 --> 01:18:21,370
No, I think it should be something
that can evolve in a dissolve into:
915
01:18:21,538 --> 01:18:22,571
[IMITATES SNORING]
916
01:18:22,739 --> 01:18:24,240
MAN: Slouch over, thinking.
PITT: Yeah.
917
01:18:24,407 --> 01:18:25,941
MAN:
We can dissolve, you'll be asleep.
918
01:18:26,209 --> 01:18:27,543
-You know what I mean?
-All right.
919
01:18:27,711 --> 01:18:31,947
-Just gotta have some screen direction to it.
-Fantastic. Amazing.
920
01:18:33,150 --> 01:18:34,683
PITT:
The ways one works.
921
01:18:34,851 --> 01:18:37,787
ZOLFO: In order to create a believable
environment for the actors...
922
01:18:37,954 --> 01:18:39,955
...I like to take closets...
923
01:18:40,123 --> 01:18:43,659
...and drawers and rooms
that are sort of on the set...
924
01:18:43,827 --> 01:18:47,429
...but not intended to be played
any action in and finish them...
925
01:18:47,597 --> 01:18:50,599
...so that we could be
in Los Angeles at Sony...
926
01:18:50,767 --> 01:18:56,639
...on stage and still have this vibe
of this romantic, lost-in-time...
927
01:18:56,807 --> 01:19:00,442
...small little hotel in northern Russia.
928
01:19:00,610 --> 01:19:02,511
It's not a matter of overdressing.
929
01:19:02,679 --> 01:19:05,247
It's sort of a matter
Of just really wanting to walk away...
930
01:19:05,415 --> 01:19:09,985
...and say, "When they're in there,
they're in the Winter Palace Hotel."
931
01:19:14,925 --> 01:19:17,159
MAN 1: And crazy Irish rant.
MAN 2: Check his hair.
932
01:19:17,327 --> 01:19:19,528
MAN 3: Rip van Einstein.
MAN 4: Looks like it's on fire.
933
01:19:19,696 --> 01:19:20,763
WOMAN:
Rocky.
934
01:19:20,931 --> 01:19:21,964
[PEOPLE CHUCKLING]
935
01:19:22,132 --> 01:19:24,166
MAN 5: Like Barbara Bush.
MAN 6: Let's go with it.
936
01:19:24,334 --> 01:19:27,002
BLANCHETT: The thing I found fascinating
about shooting digitally...
937
01:19:27,170 --> 01:19:30,973
...which I hadn't done before is that you
develop a different performance rhythm.
938
01:19:31,141 --> 01:19:34,310
I think I'd been used to the celluloid rhythm,
where you do a take or two...
939
01:19:34,477 --> 01:19:36,345
...you stop to reload,
the actors decompress.
940
01:19:36,513 --> 01:19:38,781
They go back to their trailer,
because it's gonna be--
941
01:19:38,949 --> 01:19:40,983
You know, there's a malfunction
with the camera.
942
01:19:41,151 --> 01:19:43,686
Whereas, once you were on set
with this film...
943
01:19:43,854 --> 01:19:45,855
...you stayed there the whole time,
which meant--
944
01:19:46,022 --> 01:19:47,623
It was more like a theater rehearsal.
945
01:19:47,791 --> 01:19:50,025
And oftentimes we would shoot
the rehearsals.
946
01:19:50,193 --> 01:19:53,629
So it wasn't necessarily
that we did take after take after take.
947
01:19:53,797 --> 01:19:57,399
It's just that we harnessed the rehearsal
time into the performance time.
948
01:19:57,567 --> 01:19:58,868
DAISY:
I want this.
949
01:19:59,035 --> 01:20:01,103
I want it with you.
950
01:20:02,172 --> 01:20:04,240
And I won't deny you that.
951
01:20:04,474 --> 01:20:06,475
[PEOPLE SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY]
952
01:20:08,979 --> 01:20:11,914
FINCHER: We had been talking about doing
Benjamin Button long before Babel.
953
01:20:12,082 --> 01:20:13,515
And actually before The Fountain...
954
01:20:13,683 --> 01:20:16,218
...because Cate was originally
gonna do The Fountain with Brad...
955
01:20:16,386 --> 01:20:18,354
...until, you know, as my movie
would fall apart--
956
01:20:18,521 --> 01:20:21,223
You know, somebody would say,
"Hey, did you hear?
957
01:20:21,391 --> 01:20:23,225
Brad's doing this movie
with Darren Aronofsky."
958
01:20:23,393 --> 01:20:25,394
"Oh, great," you know.
"Yeah, with Cate Blanchett."
959
01:20:25,562 --> 01:20:26,595
I'd be like:
960
01:20:26,763 --> 01:20:27,796
[GROANS]
961
01:20:27,964 --> 01:20:30,799
And, uh, then that would fall apart.
962
01:20:32,102 --> 01:20:37,039
I'm sorry about that, Darren, and I’m--
But gleefully.
963
01:20:37,674 --> 01:20:40,109
And then came Babel.
964
01:20:40,510 --> 01:20:42,711
Which when I saw I didn't think
was treading anywhere...
965
01:20:42,879 --> 01:20:44,380
...in the area of Benjamin Button.
966
01:20:44,547 --> 01:20:48,384
It's like, that's not just the problem.
It's also this and this and this.
967
01:20:48,551 --> 01:20:52,454
FINCHER: The rapport that they have
was very much like siblings.
968
01:20:52,622 --> 01:20:55,457
Well, he's totally juvenile,
which is, of course, why we get along.
969
01:20:55,625 --> 01:21:00,296
And she is so prepared and thoughtful,
and she's taking notes...
970
01:21:00,463 --> 01:21:03,132
...and she's done this and that,
so they're wonderful together.
971
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:05,267
You know, they're just so easy.
972
01:21:05,435 --> 01:21:07,670
You don't turn his opinion of it.
973
01:21:07,837 --> 01:21:10,639
It's just: "If we're gonna acknowledge it,
let's acknowledge it.
974
01:21:10,807 --> 01:21:12,541
Here's the thing.
Scares the shit out of me.
975
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:14,443
I don't wanna create my own babysitter.
976
01:21:14,611 --> 01:21:17,112
I don't wanna be a burden
for somebody else."
977
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,682
Isn't that what it is?
It's an elaboration on that thought.
978
01:21:19,849 --> 01:21:22,384
FINCHER: I think that we're all--
"I'm going a different way"...
979
01:21:22,552 --> 01:21:25,154
...can be the thing that leads into,
"We all end up in diapers."
980
01:21:25,322 --> 01:21:27,656
-Doesn't matter which direction you go.
MAN: Yeah.
981
01:21:28,558 --> 01:21:29,591
We all end up in diapers.
982
01:21:29,759 --> 01:21:32,061
No. How do I not become a burden to us?
983
01:21:32,228 --> 01:21:35,331
FINCHER:
The feeling-out process was way over.
984
01:21:35,498 --> 01:21:38,334
So in that way, I was glad
that they were in Babel even if....
985
01:21:39,002 --> 01:21:43,539
It was kind of the pairing of them
was really my idea.
986
01:21:43,707 --> 01:21:46,575
MAN 1: And roll, please. We're rolling.
MAN 2: Rolling.
987
01:21:46,876 --> 01:21:52,648
FINCHER: In between my movies with Brad,
I forget how stupid the world is around...
988
01:21:52,816 --> 01:21:54,216
...and about him.
989
01:21:54,384 --> 01:21:57,119
I guess, because I know
how uncomfortable it makes him.
990
01:21:57,287 --> 01:22:00,756
I guess, I just sort of hope
that it's receding...
991
01:22:00,924 --> 01:22:02,558
...or in some way diminishing...
992
01:22:02,726 --> 01:22:06,528
...because it certainly doesn't make his life
any easier or any more enjoyable.
993
01:22:06,696 --> 01:22:08,130
And then door opens, ba-boom.
994
01:22:08,298 --> 01:22:10,632
We were shooting this commercial
in downtown L.A...
995
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,635
...it's the middle of the night,
and we'd shut down most of the street.
996
01:22:13,803 --> 01:22:17,306
And I was talking to Brad,
as he sort of stepped off this curb...
997
01:22:17,474 --> 01:22:21,643
...and these two women who were walking
were intense in their conversations.
998
01:22:21,811 --> 01:22:23,879
They realized they were about to run
into somebody...
999
01:22:24,047 --> 01:22:26,015
...and they both turned,
and they looked at him...
1000
01:22:26,182 --> 01:22:29,952
...and they both drop to their knees,
screaming.
1001
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,121
[CHUCKLING]
1002
01:22:33,289 --> 01:22:34,990
And he sort of, like, reached--
1003
01:22:35,158 --> 01:22:37,526
Like, I think he thought he had tripped them
or something.
1004
01:22:37,694 --> 01:22:40,362
And he sort of reached over
to touch them...
1005
01:22:40,530 --> 01:22:43,899
...and they both sort of recoiled from him,
screaming.
1006
01:22:44,067 --> 01:22:46,268
And then they got up,
and then they stood there...
1007
01:22:46,436 --> 01:22:47,870
...unable to move, screaming.
1008
01:22:48,371 --> 01:22:51,140
These weren't, like, 17-year-olds.
These were, like, you know...
1009
01:22:51,307 --> 01:22:53,442
...late 20s, early 30s.
1010
01:22:53,610 --> 01:22:55,044
Okay, here we go once again.
1011
01:22:55,211 --> 01:23:00,616
These are responsible adults.
Like, these are not, and it was, it was ju--
1012
01:23:02,018 --> 01:23:03,719
It was horrible.
1013
01:23:03,887 --> 01:23:05,320
Cut, very nice.
1014
01:23:10,660 --> 01:23:11,827
Camera right.
1015
01:23:12,095 --> 01:23:13,395
Keep going.
1016
01:23:13,563 --> 01:23:15,497
There you go. I need somebody there.
1017
01:23:15,665 --> 01:23:18,233
And action.
1018
01:23:18,401 --> 01:23:25,107
FINCHER: Cate is so stunning to look at
that you can literally lose minutes...
1019
01:23:25,275 --> 01:23:26,742
...where you just find yourself:
1020
01:23:27,877 --> 01:23:29,511
"Oh, I’m sorry. I came to your trailer...
1021
01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:31,880
...and I was gonna talk to you
about this thing.
1022
01:23:32,048 --> 01:23:33,916
I can't remember what it is,
so I’ll come back."
1023
01:23:34,084 --> 01:23:37,386
You literally lose moments of your life
where you're just sort of:
1024
01:23:37,987 --> 01:23:40,122
FINCHER: You guys speed?
MAN: Yes.
1025
01:23:40,290 --> 01:23:43,092
FINCHER:
And action.
1026
01:23:45,829 --> 01:23:48,330
[WHISPERING]
But I think it's a girl.
1027
01:23:58,675 --> 01:24:01,009
FINCHER:
And cut. Very nice.
1028
01:24:01,177 --> 01:24:04,613
So Cate, do you think--? So it doesn't--
I guess it doesn't bum you out at all...
1029
01:24:04,781 --> 01:24:07,216
...that he doesn't chime in with like:
1030
01:24:07,383 --> 01:24:10,319
"Yeah, that's great." No, I guess not.
You're just riding--
1031
01:24:10,487 --> 01:24:12,688
-Because the next scene is--
-We're getting to the next.
1032
01:24:12,856 --> 01:24:15,824
I know. In the next scene,
you're gonna say, "I'm not gonna--
1033
01:24:15,992 --> 01:24:18,193
I want this more than anything."
1034
01:24:18,361 --> 01:24:22,764
So I wish I could have reservations
about it, but I don't have any.
1035
01:24:22,932 --> 01:24:25,234
-You know what I mean?
-No. I think I do.
1036
01:24:25,401 --> 01:24:26,435
FINCHER:
Yeah.
1037
01:24:26,603 --> 01:24:29,838
It's just I think there's so many beats
where I could play.
1038
01:24:30,006 --> 01:24:34,743
And there's so many of these little vignettes
where it's, like, it takes some time to--
1039
01:24:34,911 --> 01:24:37,446
FINCHER: No, I’m not looking for that.
I kind of like the idea...
1040
01:24:37,614 --> 01:24:43,886
...that you are so on top of the wave
that maybe you don't even sense his--
1041
01:24:44,053 --> 01:24:46,955
PITT: Sense and try to bring him--
BLANCHETT: Back.
1042
01:24:47,123 --> 01:24:48,590
FINCHER: Yeah.
-Try to bring him back.
1043
01:24:48,758 --> 01:24:50,893
I see what he's looking at.
And then I say, "Come on."
1044
01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:52,928
Then what happens
is over a course of months...
1045
01:24:53,096 --> 01:24:55,364
...this continues on.
1046
01:24:55,532 --> 01:24:58,767
So then we have to have dinner and say,
"Okay, what's the problem?"
1047
01:24:58,935 --> 01:25:00,469
FINCHER: Yeah.
-I can deal with that.
1048
01:25:00,637 --> 01:25:04,239
FINCHER: So the dining sequence, though,
is shortly hereafter...
1049
01:25:04,407 --> 01:25:08,777
...maybe a week later or something,
and it's....
1050
01:25:09,579 --> 01:25:12,247
I don't think that it's, "Okay, wait a minute.
What's the deal?"
1051
01:25:12,415 --> 01:25:15,050
It's, "I can see that you're troubled."
1052
01:25:15,218 --> 01:25:19,221
And he says, "Oh, believe me,
I am not trying to hide it at all."
1053
01:25:19,389 --> 01:25:23,525
And you say, "I got enough enthusiasm,
and I want this enough for both of us.
1054
01:25:23,693 --> 01:25:26,128
BLANCHETT: Yeah.
-So I'm sorry if--
1055
01:25:26,296 --> 01:25:30,999
I'm sorry if I can't kind of see it
as a glass half-empty, like--"
1056
01:25:31,167 --> 01:25:35,103
Because the very fact that I’m looking
at what he's looking at...
1057
01:25:35,271 --> 01:25:39,575
...means
that I'm registering the problem.
1058
01:25:39,742 --> 01:25:42,978
FINCHER: But I also think you can see it
in two different ways which is:
1059
01:25:43,146 --> 01:25:44,746
"Sometimes it's wonderful
to do things...
1060
01:25:44,914 --> 01:25:46,882
...that you're not necessarily
comfortable with...
1061
01:25:47,050 --> 01:25:50,819
...because they show you
great new things."
1062
01:25:50,987 --> 01:25:56,291
So I look across the aisle and I go,
"That's gonna be great for you."
1063
01:25:56,459 --> 01:25:59,027
-That'll be great for you.
BLANCHETT: And I think like we say--
1064
01:25:59,195 --> 01:26:02,931
The power of my positivity is that
I can just drag him along.
1065
01:26:03,099 --> 01:26:06,368
FINCHER: Yeah. Yeah.
-In the diner scene it's not my kind--
1066
01:26:06,536 --> 01:26:08,203
FINCHER:
You are the sperm donor I want.
1067
01:26:08,371 --> 01:26:11,106
-Yes.
FINCHER: Okay. Good, here we go.
1068
01:26:11,274 --> 01:26:12,674
And action.
1069
01:26:12,842 --> 01:26:14,576
FINCHER:
As I was watching, I was thinking...
1070
01:26:14,744 --> 01:26:16,845
...they're something special to look at.
1071
01:26:17,013 --> 01:26:18,847
They're beautiful, beautiful people.
1072
01:26:19,015 --> 01:26:21,917
And when he finally croaks,
looking at her old face...
1073
01:26:22,085 --> 01:26:24,186
...that will be irony.
1074
01:26:26,189 --> 01:26:28,323
ROTH: First rule,
if you're gonna write a love story...
1075
01:26:28,491 --> 01:26:30,459
...is how you're gonna keep them apart
at the end.
1076
01:26:30,627 --> 01:26:32,494
You get them together,
it's like, so what?
1077
01:26:32,662 --> 01:26:36,431
You know, we have to have
this sort of yearning that goes on.
1078
01:26:39,802 --> 01:26:42,704
I don't want anybody together.
I want to see everybody as unhappy as me.
1079
01:26:44,574 --> 01:26:49,278
-What are you thinking?
-Well, I was thinking how nothing lasts.
1080otography
01:26:53,082 --> 01:26:56,618
FINCHER: Everyone in this movie dies,
you know, so, of course...
1081
01:26:56,786 --> 01:27:00,422
...that's how I was able to stomachaphy
all the rest of it.
1082
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:16,000
On November 16,2007, after one hundred and twenty six days on location,
and twenty seven days on stages, principal photography wrapped.97899
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