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Joseph Burke was
an experienced criminal.
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The squads had
developed evidence
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that he was planning
on committing criminal acts.
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I was the undercover
coordinator.
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But, you know,
how do we get to this guy,
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how do we make a case?
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Out of the blue, he says...
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"Mike, I'm broke.
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I'll kill people for money."
- People for you.
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- So now you're looking
at potential murder for hire.
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- We gotta get him
off the street
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as soon as humanly possible.
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[dramatic music]
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- In the FBI, we make
a lot of headlines.
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♪ ♪
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Drug busts,
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mob stings,
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terrorist takedowns.
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- Get down! Get down!
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- We understand why people
want to tell stories about us.
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- Mark it.
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- Freeze!
- FBI.
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- FBI!
- Action!
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- But they don't know
the half of it.
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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What really goes down,
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we save that for each other
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when we're talking
agent to agent.
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♪ ♪
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This is "FBI True."
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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- Cindy Coppola is a 23-year
veteran of the FBI.
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She worked on cases
that included
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organized crime and terrorism
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and took part in multinational
investigations
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into drug trafficking
and money laundering.
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Coppola finished her career
with the Los Angeles division
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running two offices,
supervising investigations,
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and providing undercover
security for special events.
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[indistinct chatter]
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- Mike, it's so awesome
to finally meet you.
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Thanks for stopping in and
having a beer with me today.
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- Yeah, thank you
for having me.
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- Mike McGowan participated
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in over 50 undercover
operations.
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He was
the undercover coordinator
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at the FBI's Boston office.
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McGowan helped
infiltrate the Mafia,
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drug cartels, and biker gangs.
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- You're, like, a legend.
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Tell me about your last hurrah
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before, you know, retiring.
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- In the summer of 2014,
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I'm approaching
mandatory retirement.
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And I'll never forget,
I was literally in my office
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putting stuff in a box
to leave,
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and one squad came up and said
they wanted to work a case
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against Joseph Burke.
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♪ ♪
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- Joseph Burke is a notorious
criminal from Boston
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and a known associate
of organized crime boss
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Whitey Bulger.
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- He's from Charlestown.
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It's a very violent,
small part of Boston.
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Charlestown is the ground zero
for bank robbers.
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- Robbery in Charlestown--
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- Modern day Bonnie and Clyde
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wanted for bank robberies.
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- Considered armed
and dangerous.
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- Burke went to federal prison
for a bank robbery.
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But the squads had
developed evidence
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that he was already planning
on committing criminal acts
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when he was released
from jail.
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He was ready to go back
into the game.
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- So did they have any inside
informants from the jail,
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or way there any information
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that he's talking
to people on the outside?
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Phone calls...
- Yeah, yes.
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- To know that he might be
still committing crimes,
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even though he's in jail.
- Yeah, we have--
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as you know, we have a nice
pipeline into the jails.
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- Sure.
- Calls are recorded.
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But, you know,
how do we get to this guy,
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how do make a case?
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I was
the undercover coordinator.
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So we submitted a proposal
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in order to have
an undercover operation.
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And I said, if you're gonna do
an undercover operation,
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you can't use a junior agent.
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You need to have
an experienced agent handle it.
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And I probably shouldn't
have said that,
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because the ASAC turned around
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and basically said,
well, you do it.
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- Just days from retirement,
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McGowan agrees to take
on the undercover role.
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McGowan and the FBI soon learn
that Burke is looking
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to leverage his criminal past
for a big payday.
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- We learned information that,
while in prison,
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Burke had drafted
a story about his life.
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And he was interested
in publishing
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a book and maybe a movie.
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- So he wants to be famous
for his criminal activity?
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- Immediately,
I was like, this is it.
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So we're dealing
with the people on the outside.
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He has minions
and family and associates
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all getting ready
for his release.
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And so the plan is to become
this Hollywood investor.
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[funky music]
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- But McGowan must first sell
his new undercover persona
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to Burke's inner circle.
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- Before he got out of jail,
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we actually asked
his associates,
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hey, we don't know
this Charlestown place.
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Can you take us
and show us around?
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Again, because we knew
that if we could
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convince them we were
the real deal,
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that Joe would probably bite.
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And he did.
- Yep.
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- So we came out
as if we're coming from LA.
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We ended up getting
a huge town car.
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I brought a young undercover
with me
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who posed as a writer.
- Sure.
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- And we went with five
of his boys and associates,
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and they took us
to Charlestown.
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[tense music]
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I've worked in Boston
all my life.
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I know every street
in Charlestown.
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But we had to make
as if we didn't know
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anything about it.
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My undercover writer
is their age.
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- Sure.
- So he forms a relationship
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right off the bat with them.
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And we drive around for,
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you know, an hour or two.
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He's all over them,
and they love him.
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- Yeah, you tag teamed it.
- Burke's boys,
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they bought it
hook, line, and sinker.
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♪ ♪
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- It isn't long before
they reach out to McGowan
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and arrange a call
with the convict.
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Burke is interested
in arranging
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a movie and book deal.
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- So I said, you know,
when you get out, Joe,
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here's the number,
get in touch.
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- I can make it happen.
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- And within 24 hours
of his release,
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he had reached out for us.
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So it was all set
before he got out.
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We set up a personal meeting.
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I'm all dressed up.
I'm playing the part.
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We rent a suite at a hotel.
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- What was your first
impression of Burke?
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- I've dealt with a lot,
a lot of bad guys.
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But his eyes scared
the shit out of me.
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Right?
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He had these evil eyes,
these demented looking eyes.
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I never got
within reaching distance.
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I didn't want him ever
to grab me by the neck.
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The purpose
of an undercover meet,
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other than staying alive
for the next one...
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- Yep.
- Is you wanna set up
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the next meet.
- Yeah.
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So you just wanna build report?
- Pretty much.
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- You just wanna
get to know him, right?
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- We hit it off that first day.
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And then to end that meeting,
I said,
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well, again,
if you're in LA, look me up.
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And he did.
- And he did.
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- Burke takes the bait
and arrives in LA
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with one of his associates.
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It's clear to McGowan
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the ex-con has
stars in his eyes.
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- You could tell
they were very interested
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in the Hollywood scene.
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I had the ability
to get access to studio lots,
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in this particular case,
Warner Brothers.
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- Sure.
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- Brought him
to a writing room.
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All the scripts were up
on the wall,
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the notes, the index cards.
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- Nice.
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- I took him
to the right restaurant.
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They saw some people
I wanted them to see.
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Just painted a picture
for them.
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It's all a façade.
- Of course.
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But he doesn't know that,
you know?
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- Not at that point.
- Not--[laughs]
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Not at that point.
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- One month later, a turning
point in McGowan's case.
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He meets with Burke
back in Boston.
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What the criminal doesn't know
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is that it's
in a controlled setting
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with FBI surveillance cameras
recording everything.
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- Okay. Mm-hmm.
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- And then he tells me--
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out of the blue, he says,
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"Mike, I'm broke."
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- He then tells me,
"You know, Mike,
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you know a lot of rich people."
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- And he literally motions
a shooting motion.
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He's basically saying,
"I'll kill people for money."
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- Wow.
- All right?
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- So now you're looking
at potential murder for hire?
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- That changes
the investigation.
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The violent changes everything.
If you know--
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because what's to prevent him
from going out the next day,
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hitting an armored car,
killing a guy,
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and then we find out the FBI
knew about it the day before?
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My job at that point
as an FBI agent
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is to deescalate
any potential acts of violence.
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- Sure.
- So I warn him,
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explicitly, don't do this.
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Joe, don't do anything stupid.
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Don't go out and do anything
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because it's gonna
fuck up your movie.
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- Unsure how to proceed
after Burke's murderous offer,
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McGowan and his team regroup.
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Incredible, but there still
isn't enough to arrest Burke.
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- Because, you know,
there's such a thing
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as the First Amendment, people
can say anything they want.
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So now we're scrambling
and the pressure is on.
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- The FBI collectively
made the decision
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that I was gonna specifically
ask Joe to murder an FBI agent,
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because we gotta get him
off the street
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as soon as humanly possible.
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We're like, okay,
who are we gonna murder?
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- [laughs] Yeah.
- And it didn't--
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it took me 30 seconds
and I knew who I wanted to use.
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A very experienced undercover.
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We arranged to have a party
on a boat.
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[funky music]
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♪ ♪
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This is where I introduce
my undercover business partner
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and the murder victim.
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I tell the agent,
I don't care what you do,
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just piss Burke off.
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He's an incredible undercover,
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and you will despise him
in 30 seconds.
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- [laughs]
- He has that ability.
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- All right, well, that's good.
So you got the right guy.
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- Yeah, perfect.
It was a role made for him.
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So we have some female
undercovers on the...
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- As extras, yeah.
- Party.
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- At the yacht.
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- My business partner
comes on,
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and he just--he just goes
after these female agents.
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He said things
that you wouldn't say on TV.
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- No, so he called them
a bunch of names, and they--
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did they say anything back?
- Whores, everything.
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- Yeah.
- You know, "You ever made
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a dollar that wasn't
made on your back?"
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You know, just--
- Yeah, all that--
254
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[laughs] Jeez.
255
00:12:06,421 --> 00:12:08,075
- But Joe Burke flips his wig
right away.
256
00:12:08,162 --> 00:12:09,729
- 'Cause he doesn't know.
- And he starts
257
00:12:09,816 --> 00:12:12,862
to jump over the table
to attack this guy.
258
00:12:12,949 --> 00:12:16,692
And I literally have to grab
Burke and pull him away.
259
00:12:16,779 --> 00:12:18,476
I have to spend pretty much
the rest of the day with him,
260
00:12:18,563 --> 00:12:20,522
calming him down
261
00:12:20,609 --> 00:12:23,307
so that Joe doesn't go
and do anything crazy.
262
00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,485
- McGowan keeps Burke
under control
263
00:12:27,572 --> 00:12:29,879
and carefully plans
his next move.
264
00:12:32,621 --> 00:12:36,016
- I'm gonna ask him
to murder my business partner.
265
00:12:36,103 --> 00:12:38,670
But I just can't say
I wanna kill him
266
00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:39,976
'cause he insulted the girls.
267
00:12:46,635 --> 00:12:49,333
We come up with,
my business partner has now
268
00:12:49,420 --> 00:12:53,163
anonymously reported me
to the IRS...
269
00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:54,991
- Shit, okay.
- Who has frozen my assets.
270
00:12:55,078 --> 00:12:58,473
And now all of my funding
is cut off.
271
00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:01,737
I made Joe buy me lunch
'cause I can't pay for it.
272
00:13:01,824 --> 00:13:04,305
This was the first time
I was asking somebody
273
00:13:04,392 --> 00:13:06,611
to commit a murder for me.
- Murder for you.
274
00:13:06,698 --> 00:13:08,004
- So what's the plan now?
275
00:13:12,661 --> 00:13:15,011
I tell Joe,
my business partner snitched
276
00:13:15,098 --> 00:13:17,622
to the IRS,
and now I'm screwed.
277
00:13:17,709 --> 00:13:20,756
And I'm screwed, Joe,
which means you're screwed.
278
00:13:20,843 --> 00:13:23,759
And instantaneously,
279
00:13:23,846 --> 00:13:26,066
before I even had a chance
to ask him,
280
00:13:26,153 --> 00:13:28,372
you know, "I'll kill the guy."
281
00:13:28,459 --> 00:13:30,244
- He just blurts it out?
- Yeah.
282
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Right away. Right away.
283
00:13:51,787 --> 00:13:53,528
- If Joe had said,
"I'm not doing it,"
284
00:13:53,615 --> 00:13:54,877
the case was over.
285
00:13:54,964 --> 00:13:56,400
You know, I got case agents
286
00:13:56,487 --> 00:13:57,793
sitting out in the parking lot
listening to this.
287
00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,579
Now I'm engaged with him
to kill my business partner.
288
00:14:01,666 --> 00:14:03,668
Okay, this gives us
an opportunity now
289
00:14:03,755 --> 00:14:07,107
to have another meeting
to further the murder
290
00:14:07,194 --> 00:14:09,326
and discuss
how he's gonna do it,
291
00:14:09,413 --> 00:14:10,501
where he's gonna do it...
- Sure.
292
00:14:10,588 --> 00:14:12,242
- Why--you know,
all these things.
293
00:14:12,329 --> 00:14:15,202
- So going into this meeting
with him,
294
00:14:15,289 --> 00:14:16,594
you've gotta make sure
you're not, like,
295
00:14:16,681 --> 00:14:18,814
entrapping him, right?
- No, we actually--
296
00:14:18,901 --> 00:14:20,424
- That's something
the Bureau has to be...
297
00:14:20,511 --> 00:14:22,165
- 100%
- You know, careful about.
298
00:14:22,252 --> 00:14:23,775
- The only defense
in undercover operations
299
00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:25,299
are entrapment.
300
00:14:25,386 --> 00:14:27,170
You have to understand
what entrapment is
301
00:14:27,257 --> 00:14:28,519
and how to avoid it.
302
00:14:28,606 --> 00:14:30,957
So in this case,
we put out the feeler,
303
00:14:31,044 --> 00:14:33,220
hey, if you're interested,
get in touch with us.
304
00:14:33,307 --> 00:14:35,222
And then we backed away.
305
00:14:35,309 --> 00:14:37,441
And all he had to say was,
"Not interested,"
306
00:14:37,528 --> 00:14:38,703
and we were done.
307
00:14:38,790 --> 00:14:40,227
- But he didn't, right?
308
00:14:40,314 --> 00:14:42,142
- No, he jumped all over it.
309
00:14:42,229 --> 00:14:44,535
There goes the entrapment.
310
00:14:44,622 --> 00:14:47,103
So I set up a meeting
in New York
311
00:14:47,190 --> 00:14:49,497
for about ten days later.
- Okay.
312
00:14:49,584 --> 00:14:53,196
- He has me get a hotel room
in a fake name.
313
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- Oh, so wait, step back.
So the--
314
00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,986
your business partner
that Joe wants to kill for you,
315
00:15:00,073 --> 00:15:02,336
he lives in New York,
so he's not in the Boston area?
316
00:15:02,423 --> 00:15:04,120
- He's in New York.
- He's in New York, okay.
317
00:15:04,207 --> 00:15:06,862
So interstate commerce.
- It's exactly interstate--
318
00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:09,038
- You know,
he's coming from Boston--
319
00:15:09,125 --> 00:15:10,387
- That's exact--
and that's why--
320
00:15:10,474 --> 00:15:12,041
- That's an awesome charge.
321
00:15:12,128 --> 00:15:14,391
- The murder itself was gonna
happen in New York.
322
00:15:14,478 --> 00:15:16,350
He was leaving
from Massachusetts.
323
00:15:16,437 --> 00:15:20,615
The interstate aspect
is clearly established.
324
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♪ ♪
325
00:15:24,445 --> 00:15:25,750
- Burke meets McGowan
in New York
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00:15:25,837 --> 00:15:28,231
with weapons in tow,
327
00:15:28,318 --> 00:15:30,320
a Glock
and a Scorpion machine gun,
328
00:15:30,407 --> 00:15:33,367
the tools
of a seasoned hitman.
329
00:15:33,454 --> 00:15:36,718
- And then he demonstrated
how each weapon--
330
00:15:36,805 --> 00:15:38,154
you gotta remember,
I have to play dumb
331
00:15:38,241 --> 00:15:39,764
like I don't know
what he's talking about.
332
00:15:39,851 --> 00:15:41,288
- Like you don't use a weapon,
you've never used one.
333
00:15:41,375 --> 00:15:43,290
- Right.
And so I made him demonstrate.
334
00:15:43,377 --> 00:15:45,509
He was educating me
335
00:15:45,596 --> 00:15:47,598
on the weapons
that he had planned to use.
336
00:16:00,046 --> 00:16:02,570
- I give him a down payment.
I give him some cash.
337
00:16:02,657 --> 00:16:05,355
I'm gonna take him
to the location
338
00:16:05,442 --> 00:16:07,053
where the murder's gonna
be committed.
339
00:16:11,796 --> 00:16:14,930
We want to do surveillance
on the building.
340
00:16:15,017 --> 00:16:17,150
And again, you can't do it
in the middle of the day.
341
00:16:17,237 --> 00:16:19,108
So we wait until--I tell him,
342
00:16:19,195 --> 00:16:21,893
you know, we'll go do it
in the middle of the night.
343
00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:24,809
Well, Joe tells me he wants
to go to the movies.
344
00:16:24,896 --> 00:16:28,683
Okay, so Joe Burke and I go
to the midnight movie.
345
00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:30,641
- When's the last time you went
to a movie with your wife,
346
00:16:30,728 --> 00:16:32,121
and you're going
with the bad guy.
347
00:16:32,208 --> 00:16:33,340
I mean, that's screwed up.
348
00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:34,689
- We go to see "Black Mass."
349
00:16:37,866 --> 00:16:39,694
- Oh, jeez.
- And "Black Mass,"
350
00:16:39,781 --> 00:16:42,740
for those Boston people,
is the Whitey Bulger story.
351
00:16:42,827 --> 00:16:44,394
- Yeah.
- Joe used to work for Whitey.
352
00:16:44,481 --> 00:16:47,571
So Joe buys popcorn and sodas.
353
00:16:47,658 --> 00:16:50,357
And we're sitting there,
and Joe's now telling me,
354
00:16:50,444 --> 00:16:52,446
in the Whitey Bulger movie,
355
00:16:52,533 --> 00:16:53,925
"Oh, that's true,"
or "That's not true,"
356
00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:54,970
or "This guy did that."
357
00:16:55,057 --> 00:16:56,798
- You can't make this stuff up.
358
00:16:56,885 --> 00:16:58,756
- I remember sitting
in that movie theater,
359
00:16:58,843 --> 00:17:02,325
saying, no one would
believe this
360
00:17:02,412 --> 00:17:03,631
right now.
- Absolutely. No one.
361
00:17:03,718 --> 00:17:05,633
- And I'm like,
this is my last case.
362
00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,678
I'm sitting
in this movie theater...
363
00:17:07,765 --> 00:17:08,940
- Having popcorn.
- With a guy
364
00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:10,333
who's gonna kill somebody...
365
00:17:10,420 --> 00:17:11,682
- At midnight.
- Eating popcorn.
366
00:17:15,643 --> 00:17:17,949
- It's past 2:00 a.m.
367
00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:20,647
McGowan takes Burke
to a building in Queens,
368
00:17:20,734 --> 00:17:22,519
which Burke believes
to be the residence
369
00:17:22,606 --> 00:17:24,260
of the business partner.
370
00:17:24,347 --> 00:17:27,611
♪ ♪
371
00:17:27,698 --> 00:17:29,352
- So I say,
here's where he parks.
372
00:17:29,439 --> 00:17:31,833
This is the door he uses.
373
00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,357
You're gonna have to take out
that security camera.
374
00:17:34,444 --> 00:17:37,534
We basically do a loop
of the building...
375
00:17:37,621 --> 00:17:38,492
- Sure.
- You know, pointing out
376
00:17:38,579 --> 00:17:39,536
all the things, you know,
377
00:17:39,623 --> 00:17:41,669
where the murder
was gonna occur.
378
00:17:41,756 --> 00:17:45,412
And again, the New York guys
and office were great,
379
00:17:45,499 --> 00:17:48,763
because everything
I wanted him to see
380
00:17:48,850 --> 00:17:51,766
is magically there.
381
00:17:51,853 --> 00:17:53,594
- But Burke needs a favor
from McGowan
382
00:17:53,681 --> 00:17:55,465
before he can
execute the murder.
383
00:17:57,728 --> 00:18:01,428
- He tells me that when he used
to rob armored cars,
384
00:18:01,515 --> 00:18:04,170
he would use a company
in Hollywood
385
00:18:04,257 --> 00:18:06,955
that would provide masks.
386
00:18:07,042 --> 00:18:10,698
And he wanted two masks
to resemble African Americans.
387
00:18:10,785 --> 00:18:12,656
At this point,
I think we got everything.
388
00:18:12,743 --> 00:18:15,006
But the FBI want
one more meeting
389
00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:16,530
to have him handle the mask.
390
00:18:19,533 --> 00:18:21,709
- The mask is delivered
to Boston.
391
00:18:21,796 --> 00:18:24,625
Agents capture every moment
on camera.
392
00:18:40,728 --> 00:18:42,338
Now the masks have been
delivered to me.
393
00:18:42,425 --> 00:18:44,427
Okay, and they're
very lifelike.
394
00:18:44,514 --> 00:18:47,430
They were very believable.
395
00:18:47,517 --> 00:18:49,519
So before
Joseph Burke arrived,
396
00:18:49,606 --> 00:18:51,086
the case team members
made sure
397
00:18:51,173 --> 00:18:53,306
that everything was
ready to go.
398
00:18:53,393 --> 00:18:56,222
- [voice distorted]
399
00:19:56,847 --> 00:20:00,764
- So I tell him that
my business partner's mother,
400
00:20:00,851 --> 00:20:06,727
like, her 80th birthday
is coming up in New York.
401
00:20:06,814 --> 00:20:08,816
And that's how I know
the business partner will be
402
00:20:08,903 --> 00:20:11,253
at a certain location
in New York.
403
00:20:11,340 --> 00:20:13,690
And so Joe agrees
404
00:20:13,777 --> 00:20:15,779
that we'll kill him
on his mother's birthday.
405
00:20:25,006 --> 00:20:26,268
- [laughing] Oh, my God.
406
00:20:26,355 --> 00:20:28,314
- So--
- Can you imagine?
407
00:20:28,401 --> 00:20:29,793
That's horrible.
- You know, and--
408
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:30,751
- Ruthless.
409
00:20:37,584 --> 00:20:40,674
- Burke basically said,
410
00:20:40,761 --> 00:20:42,806
"I'm gonna--I'll wait
till he gets there."
411
00:20:57,517 --> 00:20:59,475
- Oh, shit.
- That was his plan.
412
00:20:59,562 --> 00:21:02,217
So he wanted him to know
as he was dying
413
00:21:02,304 --> 00:21:04,611
that I had ordered his murder.
414
00:21:32,203 --> 00:21:36,207
- It's the last time McGowan
will meet with Joseph Burke.
415
00:21:36,295 --> 00:21:40,386
The US Attorney's Office now
has all the evidence it needs.
416
00:21:42,170 --> 00:21:46,435
- We set up the mother's
birthday for October 17th.
417
00:21:46,522 --> 00:21:51,092
And I tell Joe that's
the day it's gonna happen.
418
00:21:51,179 --> 00:21:55,226
In the meantime, the FBI
is securing arrest warrants.
419
00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:56,793
About three days later,
420
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,361
the FBI wanted
to make the arrest.
421
00:21:59,448 --> 00:22:04,192
So it was my job on arrest day
to make sure Joe was available.
422
00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:11,417
♪ ♪
423
00:22:13,810 --> 00:22:17,031
We knew he had
an appointment weekly
424
00:22:17,118 --> 00:22:19,903
with his probation officer.
- Okay.
425
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:22,123
- He's not gonna bring a gun
to a meeting
426
00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:23,951
with his probation officer.
- Probation officer, yep.
427
00:22:24,038 --> 00:22:28,695
- So I tell him that
after he meets with probation,
428
00:22:28,782 --> 00:22:30,697
we'll get together
for another sit-down
429
00:22:30,784 --> 00:22:33,439
just to make sure
he's in Boston.
430
00:22:33,526 --> 00:22:37,573
And like clockwork, he goes
to his probation meeting.
431
00:22:43,144 --> 00:22:45,929
The agents were there
to arrest him.
432
00:22:46,016 --> 00:22:51,413
♪ ♪
433
00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:53,894
- He's probably freaking out,
right?
434
00:22:53,981 --> 00:22:55,765
Does he understand
why he's getting arrested?
435
00:22:55,852 --> 00:22:57,724
- He doesn't,
but our case agents tell him
436
00:22:57,811 --> 00:22:59,203
he was charged
with murder for hire.
437
00:22:59,290 --> 00:23:01,989
But when he was arrested,
438
00:23:02,076 --> 00:23:03,904
he consented to an interview.
439
00:23:03,991 --> 00:23:07,516
He told them about me
as if I was...
440
00:23:07,603 --> 00:23:09,126
- A bad guy.
- A bad guy.
441
00:23:09,213 --> 00:23:11,302
But everything we did
was on tape.
442
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:13,392
He chose to plead guilty.
443
00:23:34,717 --> 00:23:36,893
- I got one
last question though.
444
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:38,895
How do you keep the beer
off the mustache?
445
00:23:38,982 --> 00:23:40,331
- You don't.
- You don't?
446
00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:42,029
Do you just suck on it later?
- It's just like,
447
00:23:42,116 --> 00:23:43,552
put the shirt in the cleaners
the next day.
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