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Cold-blooded murder
in front of those kids.
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In the 911 call, Dykes
directs law enforcement.
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He says he has a hostage.
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If they could get a
clear shot on Dykes,
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it had to be a kill shot.
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Dykes wasn't getting what he
wanted, and time was ticking.
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This guy's already
committed a homicide.
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I have no reason to think
that he wouldn't do it again.
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He has been like a time
bomb waiting to go off.
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He was losing
patience with Ethan.
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That was really
concerning as well.
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The Alabama hostage drama
is now in its seventh day.
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Dykes remains underground with
his five-year-old captive.
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Almost a full week into
the standoff,
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very little has changed.
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I said, Director,
no assumption
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can be made that Ethan is safe
in his custody even one
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more minute.
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We put the gear on,
weapons checks, explosives.
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And nothing could dislodge
him from his insistence
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that he was going
to tell that story,
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or he and Ethan
were going to die.
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In the FBI, we make
a lot of headlines--
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drug busts, mob stings,
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terrorist takedowns.
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We understand why people
want to tell stories about us.
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- Mark it.
- Freeze!
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- FBI.
- FBI!
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Action!
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But they don't
know the half of it.
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What really goes down?
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We save that for
each other,
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when we're talking
agent to agent.
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This is "FBI True."
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We knew the bus
driver had been killed
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and a kid had been kidnapped.
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He says he has a hostage
in a bunker that he
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had built on his property.
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So from what I
understand,
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Dykes wants the reporter
to come down
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so he can tell his story.
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Yes.
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There was no good
news about him.
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And nothing, as it turned
out, could dislodge him
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from his insistence that he
was going to tell that story
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or he and Ethan
were going to die.
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What are you figuring
out at this point
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about Dykes' personality?
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Who is Jim Dykes?
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At his core, who is this man?
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And we figured out a few
things, none of it good.
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He was very isolated.
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He had no friends.
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He lost contact
with his family.
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He even really
rejected his identity
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as a Southerner,
which simply isn't
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done if one is a Southerner.
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So that was bad,
because isolation
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is a risk-enhancing
factor for violence.
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One neighbor told us
Dykes spoke of making
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worldwide news someday.
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Others said he
was often hostile
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and convinced the government
was out to get him.
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But we've learned Dykes is
a navy veteran who served
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in the late '60s
in Japan and California,
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where he received
awards for good conduct.
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He had a lifelong
pattern of low
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to no empathy for others,
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which was real bad news
for Ethan.
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There was a story from
one of the neighbors
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that he had beat her
dog to death with a pipe,
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because the dog was
crossing his property.
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And he told her,
if it happens again,
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I'm going to kill
your dog, and he did.
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He killed one of my dogs,
and I had animal cruelty people
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out then.
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And he has-- as I said, he's
been a source of interest
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for a long time,
because he has been
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like a time bomb
waiting to go off.
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So he's been
violent in the past?
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He was violent,
but he wasn't just violent.
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He was a violent
promise-keeper.
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Dykes saw people's
actions or failures
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to act as he said they should,
as justifying violence.
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In other words,
please don't make me kill you.
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Our profile was that he is
a violent promise-keeper,
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and so we must take him at his
word when he says, this is it.
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He was isolated.
He was angry.
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He had no empathy.
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He saw himself
as a lifelong victim
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of all kinds of injustices.
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In fact, the term
injustice collector
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is one that we would
use to describe
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a guy like that--
psychologically
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brittle, rigid.
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So what are the
next steps then?
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Obviously, knowing the
Bureau, what's on the ground
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is reporting back
to headquarters.
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There began to
be a misconception,
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I think, in some quarters that
he genuinely cared for Ethan
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and at a critical moment
would not harm him.
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He's told us that he
has an electric heater
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and some blankets inside.
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He's also allowed us
to provide coloring
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books, medication, toys.
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I want to thank him for
taking care of our child.
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And you're going to develop
what they call Stockholm
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Syndrome, named after a famous
bank robbery in Stockholm
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where the captor
and the captive start to bond.
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You can see those signs
when Dykes asks for coloring
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books, for crayons.
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He allows the
medication to come in.
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He's trying to
provide for this boy.
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So as time goes on,
that bond should increase.
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I didn't think that was true.
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He had a whole life
pattern of no empathy.
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So for him to suddenly
empathize with and truly care
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for Ethan-- in other words,
have formed a genuine
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emotional attachment--
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that would be a deviation
from his whole life pattern,
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and I didn't think so.
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However, here's the hitch.
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I didn't think that
was true for Ethan--
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five years old,
under traumatic circumstances,
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was now being cared for
by this man in the bunker.
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So my concern, especially for
a five-year-old like Ethan,
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was that he was genuinely
forming a bond to Jim Dykes.
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And in a critical
moment like a rescue--
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Bill and I talked about this--
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he might run in the
wrong direction.
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At one point,
he told the negotiators
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that he had taught Ethan
how to detonate that IED.
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So if something
happened to him--
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for instance, we fatally shot
him or something like that--
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that Ethan would then
detonate the IED.
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Now, I don't know that
Ethan would have done that,
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but the fact that he was
teaching Ethan that starting
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around day five,
losing patience with Ethan,
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that was a concern as well,
because you're talking about
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a five-year-old in a bunker.
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His behavior's not likely
going to be perfect.
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So that was really
concerning as well.
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Wow.
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Here at home, negotiations
are continuing this evening
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with the Alabama
man who is holding
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a five-year-old boy hostage in
an underground tornado bunker.
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And Manuel Bojorquez is there.
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People who know the
hostage say he has
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autism and needs medication.
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Scott, they tell me
he has never been away
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from his mother this long.
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We didn't feel like-- based
on what Molly was telling us,
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what the negotiators
were telling us,
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we felt less
and less confident that
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there was going to be
some sort of peaceful
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resolution.
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We needed something else.
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We needed an edge.
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We talked to his adult
daughters, who were--
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wanted nothing to do with it.
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They were very
fearful of somehow
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making the situation
worse,
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which
I can completely understand.
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We did eventually secure
the cooperation of one
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of his adult daughters
to come to Midland City
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and be willing to
speak with him,
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which
was very heroic on her part.
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They called and informed
me that my dad had murdered
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somebody and had
kidnapped a child
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and was down in a bunker.
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And I told them, whatever
they needed, because I had a--
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I have a little boy
at the same age.
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I was willing to do anything.
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What we'd set up was
a call between Dykes
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and the daughter.
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And that was really tough.
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It was tough on her.
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She hadn't seen
him in many years.
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She was worried about
all the same things
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that anyone would
be worried about.
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Will I make this worse?
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Will I be able to help
in a positive way?
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She would have a computer,
and he would have a computer,
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and she could see him,
and he could see her.
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Of course,
unbeknownst to him,
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I would be able to see
what she could see.
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And the conditions
that had to be met
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to make this thing
successful was,
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Ethan had to be
away from the hatch,
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and Dykes had to physically
be in that space.
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And if we could have
those two conditions met
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at the same time, we would
have at least reasonable
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odds of a successful rescue.
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We rehearsed it using the
rehearsal bunker dozens of
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times, full-scale rehearsals.
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We have a plan.
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This was the first time that
we were called in, I think,
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to brief a director
on what our plan was.
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So you were on that
call, too, Molly, right?
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- I was, yeah.
- OK.
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It was in the
command trailer.
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It was like command-post
city, all trailers
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and mobile vehicles,
if you can picture it.
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But it was in the
command trailer.
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It was full house.
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So you guys each had
your own part to say.
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And what was your feedback?
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It kind of went
around the room.
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I briefed what we could do,
which was this assault that we
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think will take this long,
and here's our plan,
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and we can't guarantee
success on this,
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but this is what we can do.
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And then we went around.
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The negotiators, I think,
spoke for a little bit.
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And we got to Molly.
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I don't remember what I
said the first time I spoke.
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And I recall Director
Mueller saying, well,
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in my experience,
patience usually
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wins the days in these things.
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He appears to be treating
Ethan relatively well,
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so I think we should
hold position.
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And we started waving at the
on scene, pointing at myself,
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doing this, and pointing
at the speakerphone.
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He put me back on the phone.
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And I said, Director,
there has been a lot
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said about Jim Dykes
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and the nature of his
relationship with Ethan.
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His whole life pattern
was one devoid of empathy
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for other human beings.
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For him to break that pattern
now and genuinely care
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for Ethan,
no assumption can be made
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that Ethan is safe in his
custody even one more minute.
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The situation appears
to be deteriorating,
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and he's losing patience.
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I pretty much cut
it at that,
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and I sat back and hoped that
I wasn't going to be fired.
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It was very unusual
for us to sort of
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be able to speak our mind
directly to the director.
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And I think it was
particularly unusual
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for someone to stand up
and re-explain to the director
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that he wasn't
understanding what it was
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we were trying to convey.
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And she did a pretty
darn good job with that.
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I didn't have
time to be nervous.
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I was so alarmed
for Ethan's safety,
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and I thought
I had the knowledge,
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so I knew I had to speak up.
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And there was nothing
else on my mind.
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You did your job.
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I did what I thought
had to be done.
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I didn't think
about anything else.
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And I just sat
there and waited.
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And it felt like an eternity.
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I don't know how long it
was, but he changed his mind.
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That's awesome.
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And then he used the
words "rolling green."
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I didn't know what that
meant, but I could guess.
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A rolling green
means, basically,
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we have authority to execute.
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I left that meeting
with the director
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in the command trailer
and just--
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there was no place for me.
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I was sitting in this quiet
little room in Destiny Church
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all by myself,
really ruminating.
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I was starting
to think things like,
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I know there's going to
be assault at some point
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if an operator gets killed.
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Am I the one who
made that happen?
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I'm not, of course.
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Jim Dykes made it happen.
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But I mean, am I the
one that did that?
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The Alabama hostage drama's
now in its seventh day.
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Dykes remains underground with
his five-year-old captive.
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Manuel Bojorquez is in
Midland City, Alabama.
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Good morning,
Charlie and Norah.
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Police tell us they
still have an open line
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of communication with Dykes.
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But almost a full week into
the standoff,
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very little has changed.
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So we put the gear on,
did the final checks,
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radio checks, weapons
checks, explosives,
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and we got into position.
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The daughter, we always
hoped that that conversation
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would happen
and would be beneficial.
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- Yep.
- And ultimately she was never
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able to talk with her father.
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The first part
of that assault
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was to deliver toys to Ethan.
289
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So we brought up the toys.
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The deputy brought them up
like always, yelled at Dykes.
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Hey, I'm here.
I've got Ethan's medicines.
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I've got his toys.
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Dykes undid the lid
just a couple of inches,
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so he could slide them
in and slid those in.
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But unbeknownst to Dykes,
while we're doing that,
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the breaches are
setting their charges.
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Second thing we did, we had
visual on Ethan, where he was.
298
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He was actually where he was
supposed to be, as far away
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from the hatch as he could.
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Right, so that was the first
condition we had to meet.
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The second condition was,
we wanted to lure
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Dykes up into the access tube.
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We lowered the computer monitor
just low enough to where he
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would have to come out
and reach up to get it
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but not so high that it would
kind of tip our hand that it
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00:14:13,896 --> 00:14:16,029
was a trick or something like
that, 'cause he's pretty smart
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that way.
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00:14:17,769 --> 00:14:19,380
So I think we lowered
about 3 and 1/2 feet,
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so he would have to
stretch to reach it.
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Mm-hmm.
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We lower the laptop in
there, and first thing we hear
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is Dykes yelling
for more slack.
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He says, I need more
slack; I need more slack.
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The deputy yells back,
that's all we got.
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That's all the cable we got.
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And I can see a hand reaching
up to grab for the computer.
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And at that point,
I signal the breacher
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with a slap to his shoulder,
and he executes the charge.
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The charge goes boom.
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00:14:50,106 --> 00:14:51,629
Our guys run up.
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They peel back what's
left of the hatch.
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Our number one guy,
just as rehearsed,
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goes down in the hatch
with an access bar
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that we had developed to lower
himself down a little bit,
325
00:15:02,771 --> 00:15:04,251
gets in pretty quick.
326
00:15:04,294 --> 00:15:06,427
Number two guy goes
in right behind him,
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and he's stuck, right?
328
00:15:08,864 --> 00:15:10,910
Number two guy doesn't
disappear in the hatch
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like he's supposed to.
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00:15:12,824 --> 00:15:16,437
Unbeknownst to us, Dykes had
a separate trap down lower
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in the hatch.
332
00:15:18,787 --> 00:15:22,356
It was probably about six
feet down, halfway down,
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00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:23,879
and it was just a man trap.
334
00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:25,533
It was another set
of cables that we
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00:15:25,576 --> 00:15:29,450
didn't know about stretched
across the access tube.
336
00:15:29,493 --> 00:15:32,844
Dykes starts shooting
at the guy who's hung up
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in the access tube, probably
from a distance of 3,
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4 feet, right?
339
00:15:37,284 --> 00:15:38,807
He's shooting blind
from around the corner.
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00:15:40,243 --> 00:15:41,505
But we pull him out.
341
00:15:44,030 --> 00:15:46,641
I asked the medic to look
for holes, look for leaks,
342
00:15:46,684 --> 00:15:48,469
because we're pretty
sure he's been shot.
343
00:15:48,512 --> 00:15:50,862
And at that point,
we're pretty fucked.
344
00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:57,130
We run the risk
of losing momentum.
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We tried to get a dog
in there, but poor Ella,
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who's a shepherd,
a black shepherd,
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00:16:02,309 --> 00:16:03,919
she wasn't having
anything of it either.
348
00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:05,790
She couldn't get
through the obstruction.
349
00:16:05,834 --> 00:16:07,183
There was bullets flying out.
350
00:16:08,968 --> 00:16:10,926
We're tossing in
flashbang grenades,
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which make a lot of smoke, a
lot of noise, a lot of flash--
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00:16:14,190 --> 00:16:16,758
anything we can do to keep
his attention focused on us
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and away from Ethan.
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00:16:20,631 --> 00:16:23,286
We hear this loud boom behind
us, explosion behind us.
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And the shots kind of stop.
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00:16:27,377 --> 00:16:31,033
What Dykes has done,
he's moved into the IED mode.
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Papers, smoke, all kinds
of particulate matter
358
00:16:34,428 --> 00:16:38,084
just comes flying out at us
as that explosion's going off.
359
00:16:38,127 --> 00:16:40,477
And about that time,
the same number one guy
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that we had pulled out-- and
he just drops into the hatch,
361
00:16:43,959 --> 00:16:47,006
into the smoke,
the debris, all that,
362
00:16:47,049 --> 00:16:49,356
drops 12 feet straight down.
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Complete smoke and darkness.
364
00:16:54,535 --> 00:16:58,060
Unfortunately for him, he's
got his handgun in his hand,
365
00:16:58,104 --> 00:17:01,411
right, which literally
hits his arm on the way in,
366
00:17:01,455 --> 00:17:03,152
knocks the pistol
loose from his hand.
367
00:17:03,196 --> 00:17:04,936
So--
Ah, shit.
368
00:17:04,980 --> 00:17:08,375
--he hits the ground, and
he is literally unarmed,
369
00:17:08,418 --> 00:17:10,072
can't see anything.
370
00:17:10,116 --> 00:17:12,118
He lunges forward the
first time, gets nothing.
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00:17:12,161 --> 00:17:14,294
A little bit deeper,
and he feels
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00:17:14,337 --> 00:17:16,078
what he knows to be a child.
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He has a small child at home.
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00:17:19,342 --> 00:17:22,563
And he kind of says, hey, I
knew what that felt like, so--
375
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:29,613
You know,
ten years later, I still get
376
00:17:29,657 --> 00:17:31,789
a little emotional about it,
get a little choked up.
377
00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:37,621
Let me start again.
378
00:17:37,665 --> 00:17:42,409
So he wraps Ethan up,
covers him with his body,
379
00:17:42,452 --> 00:17:44,846
and that gives the number
two a chance to get in.
380
00:17:49,242 --> 00:17:52,549
Number two lunges
into the darkness,
381
00:17:52,593 --> 00:17:55,422
and he's now hands-on,
basically hand-to-hand combat
382
00:17:55,465 --> 00:17:58,512
with Dykes.
383
00:17:58,555 --> 00:18:00,383
They're engaged in
this mortal struggle.
384
00:18:00,427 --> 00:18:02,124
He gets one round
off with his pistol,
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00:18:02,168 --> 00:18:03,125
which he had in his hand.
386
00:18:04,561 --> 00:18:06,998
It's a Glock,
so the weapon doesn't cycle.
387
00:18:07,042 --> 00:18:08,522
Sure.
388
00:18:08,565 --> 00:18:10,089
He pulls the trigger
again, and nothing.
389
00:18:10,132 --> 00:18:11,873
And about that time,
the number three guy
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00:18:11,916 --> 00:18:13,831
is in the fight with a pistol.
391
00:18:13,875 --> 00:18:17,270
And...
392
00:18:17,313 --> 00:18:19,576
that was the definitive
end to the situation.
393
00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:21,317
We had a kill shot.
394
00:18:26,757 --> 00:18:29,499
Ethan, little Ethan,
we extracted him from the hole.
395
00:18:33,677 --> 00:18:36,115
He ended up-- had a
small scratch on his leg.
396
00:18:36,158 --> 00:18:39,118
That was it, pretty much,
so incredible
397
00:18:39,161 --> 00:18:40,467
that he wasn't hurt more.
398
00:18:40,510 --> 00:18:42,164
Awesome.
399
00:18:42,208 --> 00:18:44,949
I mean, that could have
gone sideways so many ways.
400
00:18:44,993 --> 00:18:46,777
Yeah.
401
00:18:46,821 --> 00:18:49,432
FBI agents safely recovered
the child, who's been held
402
00:18:49,476 --> 00:18:51,869
hostage for nearly a week.
403
00:18:51,913 --> 00:18:56,222
Within the past 24 hours,
negotiations deteriorated.
404
00:18:56,265 --> 00:18:59,834
FBI agents, fearing the
child was in imminent danger,
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00:18:59,877 --> 00:19:02,793
entered the bunker
and rescued the child.
406
00:19:02,837 --> 00:19:05,144
The child appears
physically unharmed
407
00:19:05,187 --> 00:19:08,277
and is being treated
at a local hospital.
408
00:19:08,321 --> 00:19:10,366
The subject is deceased.
409
00:19:20,594 --> 00:19:23,379
This is probably
the scariest photo of all.
410
00:19:23,423 --> 00:19:27,166
Each one of those
tape marks is a round impact.
411
00:19:27,209 --> 00:19:28,776
And your guy
was right there--
412
00:19:28,819 --> 00:19:30,604
- Yep.
- --in that area.
413
00:19:30,647 --> 00:19:32,693
And those impacts are from
Dykes shooting up blindly
414
00:19:32,736 --> 00:19:35,261
from around the corner,
but he's only literally
415
00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:36,740
3 feet away at the most.
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00:19:36,784 --> 00:19:38,133
And he's so lucky.
417
00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:39,700
And he was hanging
literally right there
418
00:19:39,743 --> 00:19:42,398
when these shots are
being fired, so grace of God.
419
00:19:42,442 --> 00:19:43,356
Yeah, but--
420
00:19:43,399 --> 00:19:45,053
Wow.
421
00:19:45,096 --> 00:19:49,971
Yeah, there's a lot of
factors at work there for sure.
422
00:19:50,014 --> 00:19:53,017
Hundreds gathered Sunday
to remember slain bus driver
423
00:19:53,061 --> 00:19:54,715
Charles Poland Jr.
424
00:19:54,758 --> 00:19:57,979
Robby Batchelor
is also a school bus driver.
425
00:19:58,022 --> 00:20:02,288
He laid down his life
for the kids on that bus.
426
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,123
I mean, I think for
me, personally, it was--
427
00:20:12,167 --> 00:20:14,604
it was the pinnacle
of my career.
428
00:20:14,648 --> 00:20:18,129
So I think it was just an
incredible act of confidence,
429
00:20:18,173 --> 00:20:22,264
I guess, in the team's
capabilities and the crisis
430
00:20:22,308 --> 00:20:24,353
negotiators
that that was our last hope,
431
00:20:24,397 --> 00:20:26,225
really, for saving Ethan, so--
432
00:20:26,268 --> 00:20:31,273
but yeah, the takeaways is
that preparation is everything.
433
00:20:31,317 --> 00:20:33,449
We rehearsed that
so many times,
434
00:20:33,493 --> 00:20:36,278
and we were ready
for anything to go wrong.
435
00:20:36,322 --> 00:20:37,758
We couldn't predict
what was going to go wrong,
436
00:20:37,801 --> 00:20:40,021
but we had the tools
we needed when it did.
437
00:20:42,197 --> 00:20:45,113
Do either one of you
know where Ethan is today?
438
00:20:45,156 --> 00:20:46,854
Is he OK?
439
00:20:46,897 --> 00:20:48,290
- He's doing great.
- He is.
440
00:20:48,334 --> 00:20:49,944
I do.
441
00:20:49,987 --> 00:20:52,686
I talked to him probably
less than a year ago.
442
00:20:52,729 --> 00:20:57,125
And he is just an amazing
kid, has very few memories,
443
00:20:57,168 --> 00:21:00,650
some vague memories
of what happened,
444
00:21:00,694 --> 00:21:03,827
but he's forever grateful,
super bright,
445
00:21:03,871 --> 00:21:06,352
just well-adjusted kid.
446
00:21:06,395 --> 00:21:08,963
And it makes me feel good.
447
00:21:21,758 --> 00:21:24,848
So does this case bring
up feelings ten years later?
448
00:21:24,892 --> 00:21:26,720
Those guys could have died.
449
00:21:26,763 --> 00:21:28,765
Not a scratch on them.
450
00:21:28,809 --> 00:21:31,638
And Ethan-- you
know, I'm a parent,
451
00:21:31,681 --> 00:21:34,336
so to know that he's
healthy and happy
452
00:21:34,380 --> 00:21:36,904
makes me very emotional.
453
00:21:36,947 --> 00:21:39,123
What our guys did
in the moment
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00:21:39,167 --> 00:21:41,691
and no regard for their
own safety-- and it
455
00:21:41,735 --> 00:21:43,476
makes me proud of those guys.
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00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:46,392
And it definitely makes me
emotional thinking about it.
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