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We don't have anything quite
like it in the United States.
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Not that sort of
verdant green pastures
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with the trees and the water
and the sheep everywhere.
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And our sort of agricultural
landscape is different.
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The one main high
street, you know,
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we don't have that really,
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unless you go to a
very far off place.
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Stories have always been
so healing and so helpful.
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That's why we have them,
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why we have books and
movies and documentaries
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and, you know, there's something
about the human experience
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and seeing someone
else go through it
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that we learn from
and find hope in.
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I want to tell the
story about the people,
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not just the political aspect.
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It's actually what
took me to Lockerbie.
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I think everybody
would say Lockerbie
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was a sort of typical rural,
southern Scottish town.
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Its population was about
3,000 maybe 30 years ago.
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It's slightly bigger now.
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{\an8}So you had the chip
shop and, you know,
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{\an8}the town high street bustled.
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It was a market town,
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so agriculture farming is
big industry in the area.
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I came to the town initially
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as an 11-year-old from
a primary school nearby
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and did my secondary
education here
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from 1981 through to '86 when
I left to join the police.
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I thought it was so
beautiful, shockingly so.
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That this horrible tragedy
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in my life
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could have fallen here.
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{\an8}- I lived down theroad, come round the bend,
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{\an8}about another threequarters of a mile,
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{\an8}the whole road was...
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{\an8}There's vehicleson the road ablaze,
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{\an8}two houses ablaze,
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{\an8}and the road is completelycovered with masonry,
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beds, garden gates,
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the people in the houses
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wouldn't have anychance to getting out.
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Good evening.
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A Pan Am jumbo jet with
258 people on board
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has crashed tonight just
north of the Scottish border.
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I had dreams of planes
cracking in half and blowing up,
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and I thought I
was losing my mind.
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I went to the hospital one day
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thinking I was having
a heart attack.
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I'd never had panic
attacks before.
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I wanted to go and change it
to the Pan Am flight with Theo,
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and I didn't have enough money.
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We had just gone to Paris
and I was a student.
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And so I just went back
to her and I, you know,
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I said, "I'll be fine.
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This is ridiculous.
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This is stupid.
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I'll just bear my
way through it."
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So I didn't end
up on that flight.
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Pan Am Flight 103
started in Frankfurt.
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The passengers
didn't board the 747
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until transferring at Heathrow.
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The plane took off at 25
past 6, 25 minutes late.
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It climbed to 31,000 feet,
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passing over the Scottish
border, right on course.
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Some 50 minutes after takeoff,
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shortly after the
last radio contact,
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the aircraft disappeared
from radar screens,
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{\an8}apparently exploding in midair.
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{\an8}The main parts of the plane hit
Lockerbie in a ball of fire,
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{\an8}but wreckage and burning fuel
spread over a much wider area,
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{\an8}most falling in an area,
roughly 10 miles by six,
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{\an8}but some debris
landing 80 miles away.
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{\an8}The cockpit landed three
miles away in Tundergarth,
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{\an8}a cabin door near Langholm
and clothing at Westerkirk,
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{\an8}the result of a
massive explosion.
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That night, I
came home from work,
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I travel all the way
back from Newton Stewart,
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where I was based, got changed.
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I told my parents I was off
to this party in Lockerbie.
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I'm two or three minutes
away from Lockerbie.
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There was this huge explosion.
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This explosion got
bigger and bigger,
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to the point it must have been
about 300 feet in the air.
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So I came off the road,
went past the hotel
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I was due to go to the party at,
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and there were people
running towards the town.
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And I got concerned
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that they may be getting into
difficulty with the fire.
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This sergeant more or
less bumped into me
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in Sherwood Crescent,
Sherwood Park area.
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And he said, "There's a
huge hole in the road.
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We're not sure
exactly what it is,
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but you'd better go to the
police station and sign on."
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Pan Am jumbo
jet with 258 people on board.
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First pictures
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from the devastated
town of Lockerbie.
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Both
Scotland and England
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were strewn with wreckage.
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There's
no indication
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that there was anything
out of the norm
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with this aircraft this evening.
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The abiding memory
I've got of those minutes
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was just the sheer confusion.
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There were conflicting reports.
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There was reports of the
petrol station having exploded.
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Well, we knew that wasn't true,
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but then there was
damage being reported
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to houses on the
other side of town.
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I think, "Well, is that true?"
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Because the explosion
was in Sherwood Crescent,
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but it turned out that
that was in fact correct.
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I was a very young
keen firefighter
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and I was probably involved
with search Sherwood Crescent
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for most of my incident.
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Unfortunately, it turns out
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that one of the main
engines had come down
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and pierced the main water
supply into Lockerbie.
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And Lockerbie is on a ring main,
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so it had an effect on a
massive part of the area.
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The crater
was next to a main road
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where five vehicles were caught
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in the ferocity
of the explosion.
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Their drivers are
among the dead.
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One man narrowly escaped, but
watch his house burned down.
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We're in the house
in Sherwood Park,
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about seven o'clock, when
there was this almighty bang.
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My son and I were in the house
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so I said, "Get down."
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And the whole sky lit up
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and I realized it
was a plane, I think,
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but there was debris
falling everywhere
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and I thought the whole roof
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was gonna cave in
on us at the time.
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But looked out the back window
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and all I could see was
fires starting up, you know,
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just right over the whole
countryside was ablaze.
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I'm standing at this
door in Bridge Street
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when a farmer came
from the hills,
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from the darkness on the
east side of Lockerbie.
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He'd loaded up the pickup truck
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with one of the inflatable
shoots that is deployed
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when the emergency exit
doors were opened and so on,
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it was one of those,
and some fuselage.
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We had seen that
there was a passenger
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in the front passenger
seat of his pickup truck.
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Just looked like they
were asleep, you know.
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But it turned out that
this was a toddler
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that had been from the
plane and was in fact dead.
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He'd explained
that he was worried
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that the child was
out in the field
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and exposed to the
wildlife and so on
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so he'd thought this was
the best thing he could do.
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We had spent the day
sort of moving flats.
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So Miriam was down below,
in an apartment down below.
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Theo and I weren't
living in the same flat,
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she was living in
one flat below me.
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And then Turhan and Luanne,
who were on the flight,
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were in my apartment with
my friends Mike and Hank.
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We had spent all day together,
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and Theo and I actually,
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we called her our last
supper ironically.
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But we, and Daniel, walked
to Portobello Market
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and had our favorite falafel
for lunch that we loved.
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And I started having
pretty severe panic attack,
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but I was trying to keep it
really like on the down low
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'cause I didn't want
to freak everybody out.
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So when they finally left,
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I crawled back into
the living room
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and I was trying
to distract myself,
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and this had been going on
for a while, like trying.
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And I finally turned on the
television to just anything
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to keep my mind off of why
I was feeling this way.
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And the BBC popped up and
it said a plane was missing.
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They didn't know where it was
going, and I knew instantly.
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Fortunately, the
huge cockpit crashed to earth
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three miles away on
a deserted hillside.
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Eyewitnesses said the shattering
force of the collision
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made it almost impossible
anyone could have survived.
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For such was the
force of the explosion
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that blew apart
Flight Pan Am 103,
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it shattered into
a million pieces,
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spread over 10 square
miles of countryside.
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And such was the suddenness
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that though this
doctor looked forlornly
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through the cockpit
wreckage for any survivors,
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there wasn't even
time for those onboard
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to make a mayday call.
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Well, there must be
about at least six houses,
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they're just not there.
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I felt the heat and I seen
everything coming over like,
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but I see most of it,
so I took across there
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and over the petrol station.
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The house is at the back here.
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There's an engine
lying in the farm.
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The Crown took
in new guests last night.
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The Whittles arrived
late and homeless.
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From what we've seen
and what we've heard,
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{\an8}we think we're lucky.
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{\an8}We're very lucky.
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{\an8}I don't know if we've
got any damage or not.
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{\an8}Car's slightly damaged
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{\an8}and Phil's car next door
is slightly damaged.
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{\an8}But we've got nothing.
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{\an8}We've got nothing.
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{\an8}- It's
gonna take a long time,
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isn't it, for the town
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- to get back to normal?
- I don't think
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I'd ever forget that.
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- How can it-
- I just won't
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- get back to normal?
- forget it.
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I mean, there's people
that we probably know
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that are worse than us.
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You can go and have
a look at it now.
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- Can I?
- Yep.
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- Okay.
- I saw it myself.
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How do
you feel about it now?
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Very, very relieved for us.
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I'm very sorry for
poor devils down there.
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{\an8}- A disaster actually gets
worse as it goes along
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{\an8}because the whole extent and
the whole enormity widens out.
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{\an8}The picture gets bigger
and bigger and bigger
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{\an8}and gets worse.
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Syracuse University
had an overseas semester
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and the theater department
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had this specific
program in London
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because of course the West
End and all the theater.
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So we all were really excited.
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Theodore Cohen, my best friend
and roommate at the time,
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we had a flat,
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or an apartment,
in Syracuse together.
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Turhan Ergin was my
roommate in London.
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And Miriam Wolfe was from
the drama department.
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Nicole Boulanger was from
the drama department.
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Luanne Rogers was my
roommate as well in London,
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but she came from
a different school,
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so I'd only just met her
when we got to London.
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Wendy Lincoln I knew, who
was also on the flight.
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She was an art student, but a
roommate of a friend of mine.
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And then Daniel Rosenthal,
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who was not actually
part of Syracuse,
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but a friend of a friend
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who we ran into literally
in Piccadilly Circus one day
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and started hanging out.
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We saw every West End show.
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We saw every fringe, we
saw every backdoor pub,
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funky, weird thing
you could see.
247
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I mean, we were just obsessed
with that opportunity
248
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to see this incredible amount
of theater at our fingertips.
249
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It was just such a very
alive time in our lives
250
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because we were finding our feet
251
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as young university students
252
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and being in control
of our daily lives
253
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and what we could do.
254
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And as an American,
when you're that age,
255
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we hung out in the pubs
256
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because you could
and we couldn't here.
257
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So we, you know, we drank
a lot of beer and hung out.
258
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I am Amy Engelhardt,
and I'm a composer,
259
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lyricist, playwright,
singer, producer, director.
260
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What's the gig?
261
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I knew five of the
35 Syracuse students
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who were aboard Pan Am 103
263
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as I was a senior when
they were I think freshmen
264
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or sophomores, possibly,
265
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in the drama department
at Syracuse University.
266
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The person that I knew
the best was Miriam Wolfe.
267
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Miriam was like a sunflower.
268
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Miriam was known
for just showing up
269
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when you were at
your lowest point
270
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and bringing you flowers or
271
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treats or bringing roses for you
272
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and you'd accomplish
something or...
273
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She was just unflappable,
274
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sometimes almost
irritatingly so.
275
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She was, no, she was an
absolute gem of a person
276
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and I don't think
she had realized yet
277
00:16:45,338 --> 00:16:47,140
her value in that.
278
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Just so you guys can see,
that's Catherine Crossland.
279
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That's the picture of
the crying cheerleader.
280
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It's so close, you know,
281
00:17:05,458 --> 00:17:07,627
it's just very personal
when it's that close.
282
00:17:09,195 --> 00:17:11,364
But she and I are
friends to this day,
283
00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:15,301
bound together in an
unusual way, you know.
284
00:17:17,470 --> 00:17:19,472
I'm Lawrence Mason Jr.,
285
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retired professor of
visual communication
286
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at the S.I. Newhouse School
of Public Communications
287
00:17:25,845 --> 00:17:28,481
at Syracuse University,
288
00:17:28,515 --> 00:17:34,187
and I taught nine victims
of Pan Am Flight 103.
289
00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:40,293
I remember the day so
well, December 21st, 1988.
290
00:17:42,595 --> 00:17:47,367
And I was firmly ensconced
at my dining room table
291
00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,505
wrapping Christmas presents,
music on, and the phone rang.
292
00:17:56,376 --> 00:17:58,445
And it was the New
York State Director
293
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of United Press
International Photos
294
00:18:01,748 --> 00:18:06,386
and I was the local coordinator
for UPI photos in Syracuse.
295
00:18:06,419 --> 00:18:08,722
And he said, "We're
getting reports
296
00:18:08,755 --> 00:18:12,792
there were as many as 40
Syracuse University students
297
00:18:12,826 --> 00:18:16,396
on that plane coming back
from study abroad in London."
298
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I'm like, "Whoa."
299
00:18:19,699 --> 00:18:22,569
Now I know why he's calling me.
300
00:18:22,602 --> 00:18:24,871
They're gonna need news
pictures out of Syracuse.
301
00:18:24,904 --> 00:18:26,539
I've worked with a partner
302
00:18:26,573 --> 00:18:29,676
on United Press
International, David Grunfeld.
303
00:18:29,709 --> 00:18:33,546
So we stopped down to the
court just before the game
304
00:18:33,580 --> 00:18:35,215
and I immediately
encountered a young woman
305
00:18:35,248 --> 00:18:37,283
named Catherine Crossland,
306
00:18:37,317 --> 00:18:39,519
who was a student of
mine that semester.
307
00:18:39,552 --> 00:18:40,720
And so I went up to her,
308
00:18:40,754 --> 00:18:42,222
I said, "Catherine,
how are you are?
309
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How are you doing?"
310
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:46,559
And she said that she
had reason to believe
311
00:18:46,593 --> 00:18:49,396
that she lost a sorority
sister onboard Pan Am 103,
312
00:18:49,429 --> 00:18:52,699
and she was very,
very distraught.
313
00:18:52,732 --> 00:18:54,534
I wasn't even thinking of
shooting a picture at that
314
00:18:54,567 --> 00:18:58,304
moment but David was nearby and
he saw the moment
315
00:18:58,338 --> 00:19:00,774
and he shot it.
316
00:19:01,574 --> 00:19:04,678
We shot some basketball
action too as well
317
00:19:04,711 --> 00:19:07,714
and went up to our darkroom
and we had to develop film
318
00:19:07,747 --> 00:19:10,383
and we had to print a picture
and we had to type a caption
319
00:19:10,417 --> 00:19:12,786
and we had to put it on a
transmitter and, you know,
320
00:19:12,819 --> 00:19:15,422
it's just a big
process before digital.
321
00:19:15,455 --> 00:19:16,890
I wanted to give
Catherine a chance
322
00:19:16,923 --> 00:19:20,326
to say, "That's too personal.
323
00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:23,396
I really wish you
wouldn't use it."
324
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:26,566
But without that I just had
to go with the news judgment
325
00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:29,369
and say, "Okay,
we're gonna send it."
326
00:19:29,402 --> 00:19:31,571
And it ran all over the place.
327
00:19:44,384 --> 00:19:46,586
Back in the '80s we had
these coin operated phones,
328
00:19:46,619 --> 00:19:48,455
stupid phones,
329
00:19:48,488 --> 00:19:51,291
where you had to, like,
put in, like, pence
330
00:19:51,324 --> 00:19:54,394
to get it to work, and I
didn't have the right coins.
331
00:19:54,427 --> 00:19:56,529
And I went to the neighbors
332
00:19:56,563 --> 00:20:00,400
and I knocked on the door
to, like, make change for me.
333
00:20:00,433 --> 00:20:02,569
And they took one look at me
and took me into their home
334
00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:07,607
and took care of me
until the secretary came
335
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,444
and then led me to
the Syracuse office.
336
00:20:11,478 --> 00:20:16,583
We were stuck and surrounded
by press for five or six hours.
337
00:20:16,616 --> 00:20:18,318
At the
airports last night,
338
00:20:18,351 --> 00:20:20,520
people waited in silence
for news of their relatives.
339
00:20:20,553 --> 00:20:22,355
For quite some time,
340
00:20:22,389 --> 00:20:24,624
Pan Am would only confirm
there had been a crash
341
00:20:24,657 --> 00:20:26,659
and couldn't answer
their questions.
342
00:20:26,693 --> 00:20:28,695
My friend Hank, had
come back with his family
343
00:20:28,728 --> 00:20:30,764
and we had reunited
344
00:20:30,797 --> 00:20:33,800
and he and I walked
back to Miriam's flat
345
00:20:33,833 --> 00:20:37,003
and we just sat
in the front room.
346
00:20:37,037 --> 00:20:39,973
Actually the pullout
bed was pulled out
347
00:20:40,006 --> 00:20:41,408
because that's where I
was supposed to sleep.
348
00:20:41,441 --> 00:20:45,345
And we watched on the BBC,
349
00:20:45,378 --> 00:20:48,381
we watched Nicole's
mother find out,
350
00:20:48,415 --> 00:20:50,850
because she had a camera
in her face at JFK.
351
00:20:50,884 --> 00:20:52,686
A notice board
simply directed people
352
00:20:52,719 --> 00:20:56,389
inquiring about the
plane to see an agent.
353
00:20:56,423 --> 00:20:57,691
Despite the
widespread publicity,
354
00:20:57,724 --> 00:20:59,693
many arrived to meet the flight,
355
00:20:59,726 --> 00:21:01,027
only to be told
for the first time
356
00:21:01,061 --> 00:21:03,763
that there had been a crash.
357
00:21:03,797 --> 00:21:06,966
Pan Am officials began the
grim task of breaking the news.
358
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,603
There was almost no hope that
their relatives had survived.
359
00:21:10,637 --> 00:21:15,742
And I watched Theo's
mother being escorted, live,
360
00:21:15,775 --> 00:21:19,846
if you can imagine,
I mean, live on BBC,
361
00:21:19,879 --> 00:21:22,482
her being taken into a
room, crying and screaming.
362
00:21:22,515 --> 00:21:24,851
And we turned off the television
363
00:21:24,884 --> 00:21:25,752
'cause we couldn't
take it anymore
364
00:21:25,785 --> 00:21:27,754
and we just held hands
365
00:21:27,787 --> 00:21:31,424
and we just watched
the sunrise in silence,
366
00:21:31,458 --> 00:21:34,861
like, just silence.
367
00:21:50,910 --> 00:21:53,747
Cheese steak, peppers
and onions on the side
368
00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:55,915
and pizza sauce.
369
00:21:57,751 --> 00:22:00,453
- Did they give you any sauce?
- Yes, yes, yes.
370
00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:06,459
{\an8}- We had been able to see
Rick when he was in London.
371
00:22:06,493 --> 00:22:07,093
{\an8}We spent three or four...
372
00:22:07,127 --> 00:22:08,628
{\an8}Four days?
373
00:22:08,661 --> 00:22:09,562
{\an8}- In London.
Yeah.
374
00:22:09,596 --> 00:22:10,830
{\an8}Yeah.
375
00:22:10,864 --> 00:22:14,701
{\an8}And it was great, you know,
376
00:22:14,734 --> 00:22:16,536
{\an8}it was great to be with him.
377
00:22:16,569 --> 00:22:18,505
{\an8}It was great, we had
never been to London,
378
00:22:18,538 --> 00:22:20,573
so it was wonderful
to go to the museums
379
00:22:20,607 --> 00:22:23,510
and art galleries
and all of that.
380
00:22:26,913 --> 00:22:32,619
Kara was 15 when
Pan Am 103 happened.
381
00:22:32,652 --> 00:22:34,988
She stayed home from
school that day.
382
00:22:35,021 --> 00:22:38,692
She was watching her favorite
soap opera when they broke in
383
00:22:38,725 --> 00:22:41,928
and said that a
plane leaving London
384
00:22:41,961 --> 00:22:45,565
for JFK had disappeared.
385
00:22:45,598 --> 00:22:47,500
I was on my way home from work,
386
00:22:47,534 --> 00:22:49,869
but she called, she called you.
387
00:22:49,903 --> 00:22:51,805
You were working in
Philadelphia at the time.
388
00:22:51,838 --> 00:22:55,542
And so when I got here,
389
00:22:55,575 --> 00:23:00,647
I saw a neighbor's car
in the side of the house
390
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,816
and I thought, "Something must
have happened to the cat."
391
00:23:02,849 --> 00:23:04,117
That's the first thing
that came to my mind.
392
00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:05,819
Something happened to the cat.
393
00:23:05,852 --> 00:23:07,987
And when I came in,
394
00:23:08,021 --> 00:23:10,690
she said, "I think
Rick's plane went down."
395
00:23:17,130 --> 00:23:19,532
They found all
the female sheep
396
00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:23,903
who were pregnant had
aborted, all of them,
397
00:23:23,937 --> 00:23:25,972
from the shock of everything
that had happened.
398
00:23:30,010 --> 00:23:32,012
What did they feel?
399
00:23:32,379 --> 00:23:33,980
What made them do that?
400
00:23:35,715 --> 00:23:37,751
The shock of the explosion?
401
00:23:37,784 --> 00:23:39,586
Did the earth shake?
402
00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:42,589
Like, I don't, you
know, it just...
403
00:23:42,622 --> 00:23:45,158
To hear that story was
just gave me chills,
404
00:23:46,626 --> 00:23:49,229
that it was not just the people
405
00:23:49,262 --> 00:23:52,732
but the land and the livestock
that were affected there.
406
00:23:52,766 --> 00:23:53,767
The town
awoke this morning
407
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,770
determined to carry on.
408
00:23:56,803 --> 00:24:00,073
There was still a routine to
stick to, a need for normality.
409
00:24:01,975 --> 00:24:04,611
That's why Hunter
Wilson and his staff
410
00:24:04,644 --> 00:24:06,212
were baking bread at
five this morning.
411
00:24:06,246 --> 00:24:08,648
Not just for the towns folk,
412
00:24:08,682 --> 00:24:10,917
but for the rescue
services and the media.
413
00:24:11,685 --> 00:24:16,589
{\an8}- I'm afraid, we're busy
for the wrong reasons today.
414
00:24:17,891 --> 00:24:19,192
Surrounded by farmland,
415
00:24:19,225 --> 00:24:21,194
Lockerbie is a
compact community,
416
00:24:21,227 --> 00:24:23,229
shocked that the
most deadly debris
417
00:24:23,263 --> 00:24:25,932
should have fallen on
their streets and homes
418
00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:29,703
rather than scattered across
neighboring open country.
419
00:24:29,736 --> 00:24:32,672
A housing estate
alongside the busy A74
420
00:24:32,706 --> 00:24:34,841
took the full force of an impact
421
00:24:34,874 --> 00:24:36,743
that blasted a
crater 30 feet deep
422
00:24:36,776 --> 00:24:39,079
where houses once stood.
423
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,848
The flight deck, however,
424
00:24:41,881 --> 00:24:44,250
landed in a field
three miles away,
425
00:24:44,284 --> 00:24:47,987
crushed and spilling the
contents of the cockpit.
426
00:24:48,021 --> 00:24:50,256
An engine plunged
into a farm yard.
427
00:24:50,290 --> 00:24:51,791
Eyewitnesses said
the spinning metal
428
00:24:51,825 --> 00:24:54,127
fell amid sheets of flame.
429
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,196
Other massive sections
fell across a wide area,
430
00:24:56,229 --> 00:24:58,798
some 80 miles away.
431
00:24:58,832 --> 00:25:00,000
But it was the damage
within Lockerbie
432
00:25:00,033 --> 00:25:02,802
that left the town in shock.
433
00:25:02,836 --> 00:25:05,872
Milk tankers were filled
up, everybody improvised.
434
00:25:05,905 --> 00:25:08,041
You know, the community
came together,
435
00:25:08,074 --> 00:25:11,277
the different agencies,
organizations came together.
436
00:25:11,311 --> 00:25:15,248
I can always remember
the young soldiers
437
00:25:15,281 --> 00:25:18,885
that were there helping to
search when it was up at
438
00:25:18,918 --> 00:25:21,187
Rosebank and thinking how
young they were.
439
00:25:21,221 --> 00:25:24,157
16, 17-year-olds having
to deal with this.
440
00:25:24,557 --> 00:25:25,358
And for me to think that,
441
00:25:25,392 --> 00:25:29,029
and I was 23, not
that much older,
442
00:25:29,062 --> 00:25:30,997
but the soldiers had
to deal with a lot more
443
00:25:31,031 --> 00:25:33,299
than what we did.
444
00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:36,770
Police diving teams
are now searching the lakes
445
00:25:36,803 --> 00:25:38,905
and lochs down wind
of the crash site,
446
00:25:38,938 --> 00:25:41,341
it's thought some bodies
and wreckage could lie here.
447
00:25:42,976 --> 00:25:44,310
I found a body part
448
00:25:45,912 --> 00:25:50,183
and it had the person's
identification on it.
449
00:25:51,818 --> 00:25:54,854
Being young, I picked it up
450
00:25:55,522 --> 00:26:02,095
because it was a green
emerald like gold ring.
451
00:26:03,196 --> 00:26:04,364
And I went took
it to the police,
452
00:26:04,397 --> 00:26:08,034
because that was
somebody's identification.
453
00:26:09,369 --> 00:26:12,005
It was the wrong thing
to do, I was only 23.
454
00:26:12,439 --> 00:26:16,176
So a police officer
was quite adamant
455
00:26:16,209 --> 00:26:19,779
I had to go put him
back, he explained why.
456
00:26:19,813 --> 00:26:21,881
So I had to put him back.
457
00:26:21,915 --> 00:26:23,350
But I always hoped
458
00:26:23,383 --> 00:26:29,389
that that gave closure
to the family, you know?
459
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:32,859
I mean, I saw other
stuff as well.
460
00:26:32,892 --> 00:26:38,832
But, yeah, that's the
thing that has stopping me.
461
00:26:39,933 --> 00:26:45,205
And I just pray that that
family got that ring back.
462
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:22,402
{\an8}- And as we sifted
through the wreckage,
463
00:28:22,435 --> 00:28:24,838
{\an8}it was body after
body after body.
464
00:28:24,871 --> 00:28:27,474
{\an8}It was really devastating.
465
00:28:27,507 --> 00:28:30,043
{\an8}We are trained for
these such occasions.
466
00:28:30,076 --> 00:28:34,881
But in my many
years as a fireman,
467
00:28:34,914 --> 00:28:36,149
I think this is the worst
I've ever came across.
468
00:28:36,182 --> 00:28:38,018
So that's
really quite sickening.
469
00:28:38,051 --> 00:28:39,219
Yeah, very sick.
470
00:28:39,686 --> 00:28:41,321
Donna,
the Border Collie,
471
00:28:41,354 --> 00:28:44,257
knows every inch and every
boulder of the crash site.
472
00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:46,960
For seven days, she
has worked the rubble.
473
00:28:46,993 --> 00:28:49,162
As debris is removed, she
searches again and again
474
00:28:49,195 --> 00:28:51,197
for anything
carrying human scent.
475
00:28:53,033 --> 00:28:54,868
She has detected
remains under rubble
476
00:28:54,901 --> 00:28:57,003
that is four foot
six inches deep.
477
00:29:00,473 --> 00:29:02,375
Donna's father,
Shep, is the veteran
478
00:29:02,409 --> 00:29:04,344
of the 50 dogs now in Lockerbie.
479
00:29:04,377 --> 00:29:05,945
Their owners are all volunteers
480
00:29:05,979 --> 00:29:08,314
who formed the Search and
Rescue Dog Association
481
00:29:08,348 --> 00:29:10,417
to standardize training
across the country.
482
00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:11,951
On the night of the crash,
483
00:29:11,985 --> 00:29:13,987
police escorts brought
them from homes
484
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:15,321
hundreds of miles away.
485
00:29:15,355 --> 00:29:17,991
And in the first two hours,
they'd found 111 bodies
486
00:29:18,024 --> 00:29:20,193
under hazardous conditions.
487
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,965
{\an8}- The vast amount of broken
glass, the heat, the smoke,
488
00:29:25,999 --> 00:29:27,567
{\an8}and probably worst of
all, the aviation fuel
489
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,370
{\an8}because it tended
to deaden the scent.
490
00:29:30,403 --> 00:29:31,571
{\an8}And we could only work
491
00:29:31,604 --> 00:29:33,239
{\an8}for something like
10 minutes at a time.
492
00:29:33,273 --> 00:29:35,008
They used to mount
in rescue incidents.
493
00:29:35,041 --> 00:29:37,043
And this was so different,
494
00:29:37,877 --> 00:29:40,313
the stress on the handlers,
let alone the dogs.
495
00:29:40,347 --> 00:29:41,915
And you've got to remember,
496
00:29:41,948 --> 00:29:44,184
the dog and handler
work as a team.
497
00:29:44,217 --> 00:29:48,154
So anything the handler feels,
it transmits it to the dog.
498
00:29:48,188 --> 00:29:51,191
And we were transmitting
our stress at some times.
499
00:29:52,592 --> 00:29:56,396
Debriefing is
important learning
500
00:29:56,629 --> 00:29:59,199
'cause we all make mistakes.
501
00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:02,102
It's just dealing with them
and making things better.
502
00:30:02,135 --> 00:30:04,137
Less chance of
making them again.
503
00:30:11,478 --> 00:30:14,547
Yeah, I think all
organizations have learned
504
00:30:14,581 --> 00:30:19,252
because that was probably been
the first terrorist attacks.
505
00:30:22,088 --> 00:30:24,090
I've got the type of brain
506
00:30:24,124 --> 00:30:27,460
that it does put things in
the filing cabinet back.
507
00:30:29,129 --> 00:30:32,632
It's strange 'cause
I know other people
508
00:30:32,665 --> 00:30:34,401
that can remember so
many different things.
509
00:30:37,537 --> 00:30:40,507
I've been to jobs with people
and they've said I was there
510
00:30:41,474 --> 00:30:44,177
and I've blanked it out.
511
00:30:45,078 --> 00:30:49,549
I'm fortunate that I probably
blank out the bad stuff.
512
00:30:51,317 --> 00:30:54,120
So whether it comes back one
day, I don't know, I hope not.
513
00:31:02,295 --> 00:31:05,331
This is my own psychological
analysis of myself.
514
00:31:05,365 --> 00:31:13,139
But I had mixed
feelings about grief
515
00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:17,644
and who is entitled to grief.
516
00:31:18,712 --> 00:31:21,715
I know that sounds
a little strange,
517
00:31:21,748 --> 00:31:27,120
but as I was not BFFs
with these people
518
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,056
and I was not a relative
519
00:31:32,125 --> 00:31:35,195
or technically a
classmate for very long,
520
00:31:35,228 --> 00:31:39,733
I didn't feel like I
was permitted somehow
521
00:31:39,766 --> 00:31:43,203
to feel this loss
as deeply as I did.
522
00:31:43,236 --> 00:31:48,174
And watching them go through it
523
00:31:48,208 --> 00:31:52,412
and being there for them
as they went through it,
524
00:31:52,445 --> 00:31:56,583
which is one of the
525
00:31:58,785 --> 00:32:02,288
biggest honors of
my life, honestly,
526
00:32:02,322 --> 00:32:07,360
just being able to stand
there and be there for them,
527
00:32:11,598 --> 00:32:18,505
made me realize how
much showing up means.
528
00:32:20,140 --> 00:32:21,374
And that can take many forms.
529
00:32:23,543 --> 00:32:29,516
The care extended past
those directly affected
530
00:32:29,549 --> 00:32:31,418
by the tragedy.
531
00:32:31,451 --> 00:32:34,654
I mean, Colin Dorrance
regularly hosts visitors
532
00:32:34,688 --> 00:32:37,223
from all over the world
533
00:32:37,257 --> 00:32:40,593
who have been affected in
any way by this tragedy.
534
00:32:40,627 --> 00:32:42,195
I mean, he does a lot of other
535
00:32:42,228 --> 00:32:45,165
amazing charitable
activities,
536
00:32:45,198 --> 00:32:47,300
that's why he got the MBE.
537
00:32:47,334 --> 00:32:52,272
But to them you are a
survivor if you care.
538
00:32:52,305 --> 00:32:53,773
If you care, they
will take care of you.
539
00:32:57,277 --> 00:33:00,447
I like to think of
myself as this, you know,
540
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,386
hard-ass comedy
writer person from New Jersey
541
00:33:07,654 --> 00:33:09,589
with a potty mouth.
542
00:33:09,622 --> 00:33:14,294
But I was absolutely bowled over
543
00:33:18,331 --> 00:33:20,333
by the care and kindness
of those people.
544
00:33:20,367 --> 00:33:25,271
And I think I would've
taken that away anyway.
545
00:33:25,638 --> 00:33:31,311
But I felt like I got to see it
546
00:33:31,344 --> 00:33:38,284
in all its depth by being
there with Kim and Rene.
547
00:33:42,589 --> 00:33:47,694
This incident is universal no
matter what the tragedy is.
548
00:33:49,262 --> 00:33:51,364
I mean, sadly
549
00:33:52,866 --> 00:33:55,435
everyone knows someone now
550
00:33:55,468 --> 00:33:58,505
or knows someone
who knows someone
551
00:33:58,538 --> 00:34:03,510
who is affected by this
kind of a massive tragedy.
552
00:34:03,543 --> 00:34:08,214
Whether that's
COVID, any terrorist attack,
553
00:34:08,248 --> 00:34:10,517
any school shootings,
554
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:12,419
it's terrible.
555
00:34:12,452 --> 00:34:17,257
And the helplessness
that people feel
556
00:34:17,290 --> 00:34:18,892
and wanting to do something
557
00:34:18,925 --> 00:34:22,328
and not being able
to is universal.
558
00:34:25,598 --> 00:34:27,500
On a
hilltop outside the town,
559
00:34:27,534 --> 00:34:30,303
firemen and rescue services
have spent Christmas Eve
560
00:34:30,337 --> 00:34:32,339
working round the shattered
cockpit of Flight 103,
561
00:34:32,372 --> 00:34:34,574
sifting through the wreckage.
562
00:34:34,607 --> 00:34:37,377
Hundreds of police from
forces throughout Scotland
563
00:34:37,410 --> 00:34:39,379
are now involved in
the search for debris.
564
00:34:39,412 --> 00:34:40,613
Reports are coming
in from far and wide
565
00:34:40,647 --> 00:34:42,582
of further sightings.
566
00:34:42,615 --> 00:34:44,784
Stretchers were ferried
in for the grim task
567
00:34:44,818 --> 00:34:46,920
of recovering the
remains of the victims.
568
00:34:48,421 --> 00:34:50,523
The bodies were flown
out by helicopters.
569
00:34:52,359 --> 00:34:53,793
On all the hillside
surrounding Lockerbie,
570
00:34:53,827 --> 00:34:55,695
stretcher parties were at work.
571
00:34:58,665 --> 00:35:01,401
They were taken to the temporary
morgue in the town hall
572
00:35:01,434 --> 00:35:02,669
where their relatives
face the distressing task
573
00:35:02,702 --> 00:35:04,504
of identifying them.
574
00:35:07,474 --> 00:35:09,409
The personal belongings
of the victims
575
00:35:09,442 --> 00:35:11,544
are being stored
in this warehouse.
576
00:35:13,580 --> 00:35:15,949
A careful log is being kept of
exactly where they were found
577
00:35:15,982 --> 00:35:17,917
to help with the task
of identification.
578
00:35:19,452 --> 00:35:20,920
All of this wreckage
from the aircraft
579
00:35:20,954 --> 00:35:23,523
was collected from just
one street in Lockerbie.
580
00:35:23,556 --> 00:35:24,924
At a local bus stop,
581
00:35:24,958 --> 00:35:26,359
part of the engine
still lies buried
582
00:35:26,393 --> 00:35:28,395
only feet from the pavement.
583
00:35:29,729 --> 00:35:31,731
And in the shattered and
still smoking remains
584
00:35:31,765 --> 00:35:33,767
of Sherwood Crescent,
585
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,469
they're painstakingly picking
their way through the rubble.
586
00:35:37,971 --> 00:35:39,939
10 local people,
including three children,
587
00:35:39,973 --> 00:35:41,941
are reported to be missing.
588
00:35:50,517 --> 00:35:52,352
My name is Richard Hartunian
589
00:35:52,385 --> 00:35:56,022
and my involvement
in the Pan Am story
590
00:35:56,056 --> 00:35:58,925
{\an8}relates to my
21-year-old sister, Lynn.
591
00:35:59,192 --> 00:36:01,728
She was a communications major
592
00:36:01,761 --> 00:36:04,998
at the State University
of New York at Oswego.
593
00:36:05,031 --> 00:36:07,434
And she was traveling
abroad with her friends,
594
00:36:07,467 --> 00:36:09,669
having the trip of a lifetime,
595
00:36:09,703 --> 00:36:11,638
checking in with us periodically
596
00:36:11,671 --> 00:36:14,507
from different countries
that she was at.
597
00:36:14,541 --> 00:36:16,509
Looking forward to having
her come home at Christmas,
598
00:36:16,543 --> 00:36:18,478
my mother had the
house decorated
599
00:36:18,511 --> 00:36:20,380
as she did every Christmas.
600
00:36:20,413 --> 00:36:22,949
{\an8}But this moment she took
some particular care
601
00:36:22,982 --> 00:36:25,652
{\an8}to really deck the halls.
602
00:36:34,461 --> 00:36:37,530
We got the terrible
news that afternoon
603
00:36:37,564 --> 00:36:40,600
when the press reports
started to hit.
604
00:36:40,633 --> 00:36:43,870
And I ended up being the one
to go to the Albany Airport
605
00:36:43,903 --> 00:36:46,740
where she was to arrive
606
00:36:46,773 --> 00:36:51,511
and was told that the
Pan Am folks in New York
607
00:36:51,544 --> 00:36:54,881
wanted to know who, if
anyone, was at Albany.
608
00:36:54,914 --> 00:36:57,717
And that was a signal to
me that there was a problem
609
00:36:57,751 --> 00:37:00,653
Before that, I
couldn't even fathom
610
00:37:00,687 --> 00:37:03,890
when I was called
by family members
611
00:37:03,923 --> 00:37:06,826
that we could be involved
in anything like this
612
00:37:06,860 --> 00:37:10,797
because acts of terror, most
terror victims will tell you
613
00:37:10,830 --> 00:37:12,999
only happen to other
people or so you think.
614
00:37:14,567 --> 00:37:15,568
The
accident investigators
615
00:37:15,602 --> 00:37:17,704
have their base at Farnborough.
616
00:37:17,737 --> 00:37:20,440
It's there that the flight
recorders will be analyzed
617
00:37:20,473 --> 00:37:22,909
to see if they can explain
the cause of the crash.
618
00:37:22,942 --> 00:37:25,845
The flight data recorder
monitors continuously
619
00:37:25,879 --> 00:37:28,081
a wide range of information
from the planes machinery.
620
00:37:28,114 --> 00:37:29,883
It's been revealed today
621
00:37:29,916 --> 00:37:32,752
that the Americans recently
received two warnings
622
00:37:32,786 --> 00:37:35,522
that an aircraft flying
between Frankfurt and New York
623
00:37:35,555 --> 00:37:37,957
would be the target
of a terrorist attack.
624
00:37:37,991 --> 00:37:39,726
Tonight it emerged
that an anonymous caller
625
00:37:39,759 --> 00:37:41,461
with a Middle East accent
626
00:37:41,494 --> 00:37:44,531
phoned the US Embassy in
Helsinki two weeks ago.
627
00:37:44,564 --> 00:37:46,633
The caller said
the Abu Nidal Group
628
00:37:46,666 --> 00:37:49,502
planned to put a bomb on
a Pan Am flight to the US
629
00:37:49,536 --> 00:37:52,505
and it would be carried
by a Finnish woman.
630
00:37:52,906 --> 00:37:54,874
The White House spokesman
said this morning,
631
00:37:54,908 --> 00:37:57,143
there was now no question
that public notification
632
00:37:57,177 --> 00:38:00,013
of such threats
must be considered.
633
00:38:00,046 --> 00:38:01,881
I don't know how I got the
state department's number,
634
00:38:01,915 --> 00:38:05,785
but I did, and they
knew nothing either.
635
00:38:05,819 --> 00:38:09,789
So we were just lost.
636
00:38:09,823 --> 00:38:11,758
And then neighbors
started coming
637
00:38:11,791 --> 00:38:13,960
and I'm trying to
clean up the house
638
00:38:13,993 --> 00:38:17,564
'cause God forbid they should
think I'm a lousy housekeeper.
639
00:38:17,597 --> 00:38:19,632
And, you know, it gave
me something to do.
640
00:38:19,666 --> 00:38:21,901
I was so scared, I was so upset,
641
00:38:21,935 --> 00:38:24,104
I didn't know what was going on.
642
00:38:24,137 --> 00:38:25,972
And then we started
getting phone calls
643
00:38:26,006 --> 00:38:30,910
from "Chicago Tribune"
and "Los Angeles Times"
644
00:38:30,944 --> 00:38:33,947
and, you know, all
of the newspapers,
645
00:38:33,980 --> 00:38:36,816
local newspapers and everything.
646
00:38:36,850 --> 00:38:39,586
What's strange is
that I'm a news junkie
647
00:38:39,619 --> 00:38:42,655
and for the next couple days,
648
00:38:42,689 --> 00:38:47,060
of course I didn't look
at newspapers or anything
649
00:38:47,093 --> 00:38:51,031
and we had people, well, there
were people over all the time
650
00:38:51,064 --> 00:38:53,199
and one of them said, "Yeah,
well, they think it's a bomb."
651
00:38:53,233 --> 00:38:56,069
And I said, "What?"
652
00:38:56,102 --> 00:38:58,938
The PFLP-GC,
a Palestinian terror group
653
00:38:58,972 --> 00:39:01,074
based in the Syrian
capital, Damascus,
654
00:39:01,107 --> 00:39:03,209
under the leadership
of Ahmad Jibril
655
00:39:03,243 --> 00:39:05,578
were always the prime
suspects for Lockerbie.
656
00:39:05,612 --> 00:39:07,681
At the time they
were funded by Iran.
657
00:39:07,714 --> 00:39:09,549
It is
here at Heathrow
658
00:39:09,582 --> 00:39:10,884
that the baggage is
transferred in containers
659
00:39:10,917 --> 00:39:12,852
in what some experts see
660
00:39:12,886 --> 00:39:15,755
as an inevitably
vulnerable process.
661
00:39:15,789 --> 00:39:17,724
The through baggage from
Frankfurt stays in its
662
00:39:17,757 --> 00:39:20,660
containers,
much of it uninspected cargo.
663
00:39:21,294 --> 00:39:23,730
An attempt is made to
check passenger lists
664
00:39:23,763 --> 00:39:26,166
against baggage tags,
but it is not foolproof.
665
00:39:28,134 --> 00:39:29,969
After this horrible tragedy,
666
00:39:30,003 --> 00:39:31,971
they had no clue.
667
00:39:32,005 --> 00:39:33,640
They had no clue.
668
00:39:33,673 --> 00:39:36,076
And that was the beginning.
669
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:39,045
{\an8}People who went over to
Lockerbie right after
670
00:39:39,913 --> 00:39:41,815
{\an8}the tragedy
671
00:39:41,848 --> 00:39:45,719
{\an8}they said all the State
Department did was stamp papers
672
00:39:45,752 --> 00:39:49,089
and, you know, they did
nothing more than that.
673
00:39:49,122 --> 00:39:50,890
And it took a long time
674
00:39:50,924 --> 00:39:55,895
for Rick's body
to be identified.
675
00:39:55,929 --> 00:39:58,631
Eventually the Scottish
police and the FBI
676
00:39:58,665 --> 00:39:59,933
started talking to each other
677
00:39:59,966 --> 00:40:02,068
and they got better at it,
678
00:40:02,102 --> 00:40:03,136
but the State
Department was useless.
679
00:40:03,169 --> 00:40:04,871
Yeah.
680
00:40:04,904 --> 00:40:06,172
We got together with
the State Department,
681
00:40:06,206 --> 00:40:08,975
did a training video for
the State Department,
682
00:40:09,009 --> 00:40:12,679
how to handle victims of
terrorism's families, and it's--
683
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,248
So they may still have
the training video,
684
00:40:15,281 --> 00:40:17,751
but they're still
not good at it.
685
00:40:17,784 --> 00:40:19,619
Right.
686
00:40:19,652 --> 00:40:20,787
They're not trained for that.
687
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:22,222
They really aren't.
688
00:40:27,027 --> 00:40:30,130
We received clothing
and stuff from Rick,
689
00:40:30,163 --> 00:40:33,033
but the State
Department sent it to us
690
00:40:33,066 --> 00:40:34,968
right before Mother's Day.
691
00:40:35,001 --> 00:40:37,103
Yeah.
692
00:40:37,137 --> 00:40:40,106
And it said, "Compliments
of your state department."
693
00:40:44,944 --> 00:40:46,746
My name is Judy O'Rourke
694
00:40:46,780 --> 00:40:50,016
and I am retired from
Syracuse University.
695
00:40:50,050 --> 00:40:53,286
I've been mentor
to the Remembrance
696
00:40:53,319 --> 00:40:56,056
and Lockerbie Scholars
since the program started,
697
00:40:56,089 --> 00:40:58,024
which was in 1989.
698
00:40:59,325 --> 00:41:03,730
At the time, in 1988,
the media, in my opinion,
699
00:41:03,763 --> 00:41:08,068
ranked very, very low, horrible,
700
00:41:08,101 --> 00:41:12,872
printing, quote, "manifests"
of the people on Pan Am 103,
701
00:41:12,906 --> 00:41:15,975
before any of it was verified.
702
00:41:16,009 --> 00:41:17,944
So people's names
were put out there
703
00:41:17,977 --> 00:41:20,880
who were not on the plane.
704
00:41:20,914 --> 00:41:23,216
People found out that their
loved one was on the plane
705
00:41:23,249 --> 00:41:25,985
by this manifest that
was on a TV station.
706
00:41:26,019 --> 00:41:26,953
Just let them put
their head on my shoulder
707
00:41:26,986 --> 00:41:28,722
{\an8}and cry, you know.
708
00:41:28,755 --> 00:41:30,790
{\an8}What words can you use, hey?
709
00:41:30,824 --> 00:41:33,159
{\an8}Give them a hug and
just say, "Hey, I care."
710
00:41:33,193 --> 00:41:36,196
Putting your microphone
and your camera on someone
711
00:41:36,229 --> 00:41:38,998
who's clearly distraught
712
00:41:39,032 --> 00:41:42,268
and demanding that they
tell you how they feel.
713
00:41:43,770 --> 00:41:48,208
Just truly awful,
human to human contact.
714
00:41:50,377 --> 00:41:51,945
35 years on,
715
00:41:51,978 --> 00:41:55,782
we're in danger of forgetting
many of those lessons.
716
00:41:55,815 --> 00:41:59,986
But at the same time, we
still do remember them.
717
00:42:00,020 --> 00:42:03,390
And I think most
people in the media
718
00:42:03,423 --> 00:42:07,193
are cognizant that they are
dealing with other people
719
00:42:07,227 --> 00:42:09,229
that they need to treat well.
720
00:42:11,431 --> 00:42:15,035
It was a different age
in 1988, believe it or not.
721
00:42:15,068 --> 00:42:17,971
You know, we know now,
looking back 30 years,
722
00:42:18,004 --> 00:42:21,241
the government had very
little information to share.
723
00:42:21,274 --> 00:42:24,377
I reached out to our, you know,
local government officials
724
00:42:24,411 --> 00:42:26,212
and although
they're good people,
725
00:42:26,246 --> 00:42:29,082
they didn't have much to offer.
726
00:42:30,083 --> 00:42:34,220
We ended up actually using the
press to help get information
727
00:42:34,254 --> 00:42:38,091
as they camped out outside
of my parents' home.
728
00:42:38,124 --> 00:42:41,061
I ended up communicating
and getting to know them
729
00:42:41,094 --> 00:42:43,396
and they would get press
reports more quickly
730
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:46,900
than any other source
of information we had.
731
00:42:46,933 --> 00:42:51,071
So it was a very, very
difficult three weeks
732
00:42:51,104 --> 00:42:53,773
until my sister's
body was recovered.
733
00:42:53,807 --> 00:42:57,877
And ultimately we ended up
hiring a forensic pathologist
734
00:42:57,911 --> 00:43:02,349
who went over and ended up
aiding in the investigation.
735
00:43:02,382 --> 00:43:06,252
First official act was
to help locate my sister.
736
00:43:06,286 --> 00:43:11,224
And so after obtaining
some samples of hair
737
00:43:11,257 --> 00:43:14,094
and other things that
might help identify her,
738
00:43:14,127 --> 00:43:16,963
we got word about
three weeks later
739
00:43:16,996 --> 00:43:20,266
on my birthday on
January 13th, 1989,
740
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:22,168
that she had been located.
741
00:43:22,202 --> 00:43:25,205
So we brought her home.
742
00:43:25,238 --> 00:43:26,439
We had a beautiful
memorial service for her.
743
00:43:35,081 --> 00:43:39,452
And then we, you
know, we went on
744
00:43:39,486 --> 00:43:41,287
to try to make some
sense of it all.
745
00:43:45,091 --> 00:43:45,759
Did
you get any guidance
746
00:43:45,792 --> 00:43:46,893
from Pan Am or the government?
747
00:43:46,926 --> 00:43:48,495
Absolutely none.
748
00:43:48,528 --> 00:43:51,965
We watch that every day
glazed over on our news
749
00:43:51,998 --> 00:43:53,266
and we don't think
about the possibility
750
00:43:53,299 --> 00:43:54,968
of ramming into our lives.
751
00:43:55,001 --> 00:43:56,403
No ordinary life left for us.
752
00:43:58,004 --> 00:43:59,305
They were too afraid
753
00:43:59,339 --> 00:44:01,841
because of the ongoing
threat of Kaddafi
754
00:44:01,875 --> 00:44:04,110
wanting to bomb American planes.
755
00:44:04,144 --> 00:44:05,378
How
big is the danger
756
00:44:05,412 --> 00:44:06,846
that we might see a repeat
of what happened in Iraq
757
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:07,881
happening in Libya?
758
00:44:07,914 --> 00:44:09,115
This is why we're here.
759
00:44:09,149 --> 00:44:11,251
This is my daughter,
this is Theo Cohen.
760
00:44:11,284 --> 00:44:14,988
And we became thrust into
this international crime story
761
00:44:15,021 --> 00:44:18,458
that still 30 years
later is unfolding.
762
00:44:18,491 --> 00:44:21,861
Many of the ways
that you take for granted
763
00:44:21,895 --> 00:44:24,064
when you fly in
the United States
764
00:44:24,097 --> 00:44:26,399
are the result of what the
victims of Pan Am families did.
765
00:44:26,433 --> 00:44:29,035
They've become quite savvy
766
00:44:29,069 --> 00:44:32,205
and have been really helpful
to families and communities
767
00:44:32,238 --> 00:44:34,274
and groups who have experienced
768
00:44:34,307 --> 00:44:37,510
subsequent high profile traumas.
769
00:44:38,578 --> 00:44:38,678
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