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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,290 --> 00:00:12,580 3 00:00:16,630 --> 00:00:18,220  you can't unsee it. 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,140  Especially as a Black young man, 5 00:00:23,340 --> 00:00:24,930  especially as an athlete, 6 00:00:25,140 --> 00:00:27,060  we're taught  to stay in a box. 7 00:00:27,260 --> 00:00:28,730  To be quiet. 8 00:00:28,930 --> 00:00:30,980  [reporter]  Investigators are claiming arson 9 00:00:31,180 --> 00:00:35,650      in the early-morning blaze at  the home of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. 10 00:00:35,850 --> 00:00:40,410       Abdul-Rauf believes the fire   was racially motivated. 11 00:00:40,610 --> 00:00:42,820  [Abdul-Rauf]   Mississippi burning. 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,790     When it's all said and done, 13 00:00:45,990 --> 00:00:49,880  no one wants you  to criticize America. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,630      But, as James Baldwin says, 15 00:00:51,830 --> 00:00:53,500  that's a part  of being a patriot. 16 00:00:53,710 --> 00:00:55,340  [commentator]       Mahmoud, dribbles past two, 17 00:00:55,540 --> 00:00:57,300   and a two-pointer! 18 00:00:57,500 --> 00:00:59,800  [commentator 2]   Mahmoud,   that's deep! It's good! 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,140  [Shaquille O'Neal]     He wasn't good, he was great. 20 00:01:02,340 --> 00:01:04,140 {\an8}  He wasn't great,      he was one of the greatest. 21 00:01:04,340 --> 00:01:06,140 {\an8}  [commentator]       Mahmoud throws one up again. 22 00:01:06,340 --> 00:01:08,600 {\an8}  Who was this dude  torching the Lakers? 23 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,480 {\an8}  [commentator]       Mahmoud pulls the trigger... 24 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,440  It was this dude  that can't miss. 25 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,320  [Polynice] I never saw  somebody shoot like that. 26 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,780  That was Steph Curry,  before Steph Curry. 27 00:01:17,980 --> 00:01:21,450      The quickness, the creative  flair he had, the range. 28 00:01:21,650 --> 00:01:23,030  [commentator]   Mahmoud against Stockton, 29 00:01:23,230 --> 00:01:24,950   26 feet away. 30 00:01:25,150 --> 00:01:26,830     I don't know how many people      give him enough credit for 31 00:01:27,030 --> 00:01:28,500  his style of play. 32 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:30,960  [Rose] To watch him  have Tourette syndrome 33 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,500  and still destroy    the best players in the league, 34 00:01:33,700 --> 00:01:35,670  like, I used to sit back  and be laughing. 35 00:01:35,870 --> 00:01:38,130  [commentator]   Abdul-Rauf is on fire! 36 00:01:38,330 --> 00:01:41,180  I had no chance against Mahmoud. 37 00:01:41,380 --> 00:01:44,850  He was scoring 50  in a game. 38 00:01:45,050 --> 00:01:47,310  Just lighting it up. 39 00:01:47,510 --> 00:01:49,810  The greatest performance  I've seen ever. 40 00:01:51,100 --> 00:01:53,190  It looked like I was     watching God play basketball. 41 00:01:53,390 --> 00:01:56,320  [commentator]   One second,   for the game! Yeah! 42 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,280  [Dale Brown]      One of the greatest players 43 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,450  in the history  of the NBA 44 00:02:00,650 --> 00:02:02,700  was cheated  out of his career. 45 00:02:02,900 --> 00:02:04,830  [reporter]   The National   Basketball Association is 46 00:02:05,030 --> 00:02:07,620   in a standoff tonight   with a highly-paid player. 47 00:02:07,820 --> 00:02:11,500      This is the most notorious  figure in America. 48 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:14,630     There were FBI agents having  to sit in the stands. 49 00:02:14,830 --> 00:02:16,340      [Abdul-Rauf] They're saying  it's a war on terrorism, I think 50 00:02:16,540 --> 00:02:18,550  that's a euphemism  for a war on Islam. 51 00:02:18,750 --> 00:02:21,010  Mahmoud never said  "I'm gonna burn the house down." 52 00:02:21,210 --> 00:02:22,800  [crowd booing] 53 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,390  But the Klan burned  his house down. 54 00:02:25,590 --> 00:02:27,010  How about that? 55 00:02:32,390 --> 00:02:34,900  [static whining] 56 00:02:35,100 --> 00:02:37,230     I'm sick,   sick of waiting in vain 57 00:02:37,430 --> 00:02:39,440        Tired of playing the game,      thinking of making a change 58 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:41,570       Finally breaking the chains,   every phase 59 00:02:41,770 --> 00:02:43,570     Every happening, craze,   when it's said and done 60 00:02:43,770 --> 00:02:45,530     My head is   right back in a haze 61 00:02:45,730 --> 00:02:47,370     I'm ready  for the next chapter and page 62 00:02:47,570 --> 00:02:49,410     To start acting my age   and part ways 63 00:02:49,610 --> 00:02:51,290     With Black Thought   from back in the days 64 00:02:51,490 --> 00:02:53,540     I'm stargazing       from the back of the stage 65 00:02:53,740 --> 00:02:55,630         Questioning if who y'all       praise is worthy of praise 66 00:02:55,830 --> 00:02:57,840     What's the phrase,   "bygones is bygones"? 67 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,380     Niggas who used to be   the underdogs is icons 68 00:03:00,580 --> 00:03:03,090        People say the light shines   once in a lifetime 69 00:03:03,290 --> 00:03:06,390       Is this midlife kinda crisis   a little bit like mine? 70 00:03:06,590 --> 00:03:08,390     I'm thinking not now   but right now 71 00:03:08,590 --> 00:03:10,890     I need some kinda sign  that the future is bright now 72 00:03:11,090 --> 00:03:13,350        I fuck around, do the right   thing like Spike now 73 00:03:13,550 --> 00:03:15,270     The quick and the dead,   which one is 74 00:03:15,470 --> 00:03:17,400     my lookalike now?   I'm moving ahead 75 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,690 76 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,280     Everything's changing   around me 77 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,120     And I wanna   change too... 78 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,780  [soft rolling waves] 79 00:03:37,210 --> 00:03:38,580  [Abdul-Rauf]  Junior high school. 80 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,090  I remember that I was      walking towards the beach. 81 00:03:45,260 --> 00:03:47,180  And I remember seeing, 82 00:03:47,380 --> 00:03:49,970  as clear as  you see the sun outside, 83 00:03:50,170 --> 00:03:52,890  the Ku Klux Klan marching  down the beach. 84 00:03:54,770 --> 00:03:58,230    It was just mind-blowing to me,  you know, to see that. 85 00:03:58,430 --> 00:04:00,270  And I can remember,  as a child, wondering, 86 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:01,980  "I wonder  who's under those masks. 87 00:04:02,190 --> 00:04:04,740  I wonder if it's someone  that I know, 88 00:04:04,940 --> 00:04:06,450     that I see every day," right? 89 00:04:06,650 --> 00:04:08,450  And most likely it is, 90 00:04:08,650 --> 00:04:13,000  and so you...  you knew that you... 91 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,120  you had to tread softly. 92 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,000  You had to play  the game. 93 00:04:18,870 --> 00:04:21,920      I grew up in a neighborhood  called Soria City. 94 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,340  Four or five blocks  from the Gulf of Mexico, 95 00:04:24,540 --> 00:04:27,180  three blocks from    the train track which separated 96 00:04:27,380 --> 00:04:29,510  the Black neighborhood     from the white neighborhood. 97 00:04:29,710 --> 00:04:31,600  The ghettoes  in those neighborhoods 98 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,270  don't look as nice. 99 00:04:33,470 --> 00:04:35,640  Old homes, shacks, 100 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:38,350  it's definitely  a stark difference. 101 00:04:42,940 --> 00:04:45,860      Growing up in my situation,  without a father. 102 00:04:46,060 --> 00:04:48,660  Having a mother  that... you know, 103 00:04:48,860 --> 00:04:50,490     we all have our limitations,  and she had hers. 104 00:04:51,950 --> 00:04:54,160  You know, having  eighth grade education. 105 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,040      Having to raise three boys, 106 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,040  there's only so much  that she can do for you. 107 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,210  She can't give you  what you never had. 108 00:05:00,410 --> 00:05:03,750  And so you're kind of  left to your own. 109 00:05:05,250 --> 00:05:07,800 {\an8} [David Jackson] I remember      when Chris would come home. 110 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,890 {\an8}  There were times  there was nothing to eat. 111 00:05:10,090 --> 00:05:11,680 {\an8}  -[gunshot]  -I would grab 112 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,470 {\an8}  -my pellet gun.  -[gunshot] 113 00:05:13,670 --> 00:05:15,730    You know, I shot the squirrels,  cleaned 'em. 114 00:05:15,930 --> 00:05:17,980  -Shot doves, cleaned 'em.  -[gunfire] 115 00:05:18,180 --> 00:05:21,230      It wasn't shooting for fun.     It was shooting for survival. 116 00:05:22,690 --> 00:05:24,730  [Abdul-Rauf] As a child,  I mean, you adapt. 117 00:05:24,930 --> 00:05:27,240  So you don't really  understand it 118 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,570    when you're living through it,     as you do when you get older 119 00:05:29,770 --> 00:05:32,030  and you go back,  and you'll be like, wow, 120 00:05:32,230 --> 00:05:34,580      we lived in this situation.  Day in and day out. 121 00:05:34,780 --> 00:05:37,240  Every day you wake up.  You see it. 122 00:05:39,540 --> 00:05:42,080  I grew up  in a religious family. 123 00:05:42,290 --> 00:05:44,500  Church on each corner  from where I stayed. 124 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:46,420     And it was always, you know, 125 00:05:46,620 --> 00:05:48,760  preached to me,      the importance of not just 126 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,670    praying for yourself, but pray    for others more than yourself. 127 00:05:53,220 --> 00:05:56,560     I used to have, periodically,      conversations asking people 128 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,520  do you know  who my father is? 129 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,650  My older brother's father  was white, I knew that. 130 00:06:03,850 --> 00:06:07,650     My younger brother's father,  I even saw him, 131 00:06:07,850 --> 00:06:09,740    he was an African-American guy. 132 00:06:09,940 --> 00:06:12,200  I was like,     why out of all your children, 133 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,160  I'm the only one  that don't know? 134 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,540 {\an8}    And she never told me, still,      but she said, "He's white." 135 00:06:17,740 --> 00:06:19,290 {\an8}  I can't say this. 136 00:06:19,490 --> 00:06:21,710 {\an8}  I want to,  but I can't say it. 137 00:06:21,910 --> 00:06:24,540  But I wanna go there,  but I can't do it. 138 00:06:24,740 --> 00:06:26,550  [Abdul-Rauf] No one could  give me the answers. 139 00:06:26,750 --> 00:06:28,460  You know,  even up to this day, 140 00:06:28,660 --> 00:06:30,300  No one has been able  to give them to me. 141 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,590  It's a void there. 142 00:06:33,790 --> 00:06:35,550  [David] It's a part      of you that you don't know, 143 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,060  and the only thing  you can figure out is, 144 00:06:38,260 --> 00:06:41,440  okay, I know where I get  these traits from. 145 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,060  You know, these come  from my mother, 146 00:06:43,260 --> 00:06:44,560  'cause I knew my mother. 147 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,570  But the unknown part,  you say, okay, 148 00:06:46,770 --> 00:06:49,480  this... this hasn't...      could come from my father. 149 00:06:52,030 --> 00:06:54,490  Fourth grade,  I decided, man, 150 00:06:54,690 --> 00:06:56,200  I wanna be      the best basketball player 151 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:57,660  there is in the world. 152 00:06:57,860 --> 00:06:59,750  Now, as a child,  you, ten years old, 153 00:06:59,950 --> 00:07:01,660  you don't know  how people are training, 154 00:07:01,860 --> 00:07:04,420      but in your mind-- "I gotta      train harder than anybody." 155 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:06,880      [Leonard Bennett] He was a    little kid with a big red Afro. 156 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,840  We came out  to 2nd Street Park, 157 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,720 {\an8}  and it was raining,  but like, "Man, 158 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,680 {\an8}     I guess I'll go back home,"      'cause it started raining. 159 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,890 {\an8}    He was like, "Man, I'm gonna      go out here and... shoot." 160 00:07:15,090 --> 00:07:16,850  "Go out and shoot where?"  He said, "Go out, 161 00:07:17,050 --> 00:07:18,390      shoot at 2nd Street Park."     I said, "Man, it's raining!" 162 00:07:18,590 --> 00:07:21,810  [thunder crashing] 163 00:07:22,010 --> 00:07:25,100    He had this thing in his head,      and this might sound crazy. 164 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:28,730  He tried to hit  as many shots as he could 165 00:07:28,930 --> 00:07:31,270  before the raindrops  hit the ground. 166 00:07:32,650 --> 00:07:35,610      He had a crazy imagination  with that basketball. 167 00:07:35,820 --> 00:07:37,530  He had imaginary friends  out there. 168 00:07:37,730 --> 00:07:39,330  He would play against--  four-on-four, 169 00:07:39,530 --> 00:07:41,370  five-on-five, by himself,      with his imaginary friends 170 00:07:41,570 --> 00:07:42,830  on 2nd Street Park. 171 00:07:44,790 --> 00:07:47,290     Basketball for me, kind of...      and I know it sounds weird. 172 00:07:47,490 --> 00:07:50,670  It kind of took  the place of my father, 173 00:07:50,870 --> 00:07:53,300  because I spent      so much time on the court. 174 00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,130  Yeah, I wanna take care  of my mother, I wanna 175 00:07:55,330 --> 00:07:56,970  take care of people,    I wanna take care of my family. 176 00:07:58,300 --> 00:08:00,600  [clears throat]  But I was like, 177 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,220    "Maybe, if I become so great... 178 00:08:10,230 --> 00:08:12,310  at what I'm doing... 179 00:08:13,650 --> 00:08:15,360  that, whoever he is... 180 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,280  will wanna know me. 181 00:08:19,950 --> 00:08:21,990  And be a part of my life. 182 00:08:23,780 --> 00:08:25,990  So I had a chip  on my shoulder. 183 00:08:35,630 --> 00:08:37,510  The first time I noticed 184 00:08:37,710 --> 00:08:39,390  something was different  about me, 185 00:08:39,590 --> 00:08:42,260  I was...  in the third grade. 186 00:08:42,470 --> 00:08:44,680  I would get up  in the morning... 187 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,940  and I'm always like... 188 00:08:47,140 --> 00:08:48,560  somethin' have  to feel right, 189 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,230  or I couldn't go further. 190 00:08:50,430 --> 00:08:51,610  Like even getting  out of the bed. 191 00:08:51,810 --> 00:08:53,110    Every little piece of clothing. 192 00:08:53,310 --> 00:08:54,730  If I put my shirt on. 193 00:08:56,020 --> 00:08:58,160  Take it off.  It may take me 45 minutes 194 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,490    just to be able to get dressed  and get out the house. 195 00:09:00,690 --> 00:09:02,490  [David] He would get down  and tie his shoe, 196 00:09:02,690 --> 00:09:04,620      and he would take it apart, 197 00:09:04,820 --> 00:09:07,160     and he would put it back on,  he'd say, "Man"... 198 00:09:07,370 --> 00:09:09,500  and he'd... just do it,      and just keep repeating it, 199 00:09:09,700 --> 00:09:11,170  over and over  and over, "Man!" 200 00:09:11,370 --> 00:09:13,130  [Jacqueline]     Open, closing, open, closing 201 00:09:13,330 --> 00:09:14,550  the refrigerator door.  I was just-- 202 00:09:14,750 --> 00:09:16,340  "Shut the door,  and let it be." 203 00:09:16,540 --> 00:09:18,010  I would throw my arm. 204 00:09:18,210 --> 00:09:19,260  It would be painful. 205 00:09:19,460 --> 00:09:22,640  [echoing thuds] 206 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,810  Popping my neck,  I mean, pain, 207 00:09:25,010 --> 00:09:26,810  to the point  where it feels like 208 00:09:27,010 --> 00:09:28,390  your skull is hitting  your brain, 209 00:09:28,590 --> 00:09:30,480  like you're about  to have an aneurysm. 210 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:32,520  I don't know what it is. 211 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,980      Uh, I was told by a doctor, 212 00:09:35,180 --> 00:09:36,610  and he said... 213 00:09:36,810 --> 00:09:39,200      "He has habits, literally. 214 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,660  He has habits,  they come and they go." 215 00:09:41,860 --> 00:09:43,330  So, this is  what I would tell people. 216 00:09:43,530 --> 00:09:44,910     "Hey, what's wrong with you?"  I have habits. 217 00:09:45,110 --> 00:09:46,950  They come and they go. 218 00:09:47,150 --> 00:09:48,960     I'm looking into the mirror. 219 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,290  I'm like,  "Please, God... 220 00:09:52,460 --> 00:09:54,330  please help me stop." 221 00:09:55,460 --> 00:09:58,090     I said, "Is this what people  see when they see me? 222 00:09:59,420 --> 00:10:01,260  I look like a monster." 223 00:10:02,380 --> 00:10:04,810  Somebody told me  at that age, they said, 224 00:10:05,010 --> 00:10:06,850  "God gives everybody      a strength and a weakness. 225 00:10:07,050 --> 00:10:10,140    But he gives you that strength      to overcome that weakness." 226 00:10:11,890 --> 00:10:14,520      You've given me basketball,  love of basketball, 227 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,190  to calm this thing down. 228 00:10:16,390 --> 00:10:18,030  To give it a balance. 229 00:10:18,230 --> 00:10:20,240  [commentator]   Central Junior High 230 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,200   basketball player   Chris Jackson is 231 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,870   a super-player   with super talents. 232 00:10:25,070 --> 00:10:26,740       Chris, who can jam the ball, 233 00:10:26,940 --> 00:10:29,210   carries a 22-point   scoring average. 234 00:10:29,410 --> 00:10:31,710  He's probably one    of the most proficient shooters 235 00:10:31,910 --> 00:10:33,170  that I've ever had. 236 00:10:33,370 --> 00:10:34,790    I just go out and try my best. 237 00:10:38,380 --> 00:10:40,880  When I ended up  getting to high school, 238 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,550  there was no question  that I wanted to be 239 00:10:42,750 --> 00:10:44,380      the best basketball player. 240 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:50,230 241 00:10:50,430 --> 00:10:53,350  I went to see him play  at Gulfport High. 242 00:10:54,180 --> 00:10:55,810  He had the ball,  he was surrounded 243 00:10:56,020 --> 00:10:57,520      by every last one of them. 244 00:10:59,610 --> 00:11:01,900  This kid went  through their legs, 245 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:03,740  and I said,  Lord, holy Jesus! 246 00:11:03,940 --> 00:11:05,700  [chuckling]  I don't-- I couldn't believe it. 247 00:11:07,030 --> 00:11:08,700  [commentator]   A huge crowd showed up 248 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:10,700       at Jackson State University   this evening. 249 00:11:10,910 --> 00:11:12,410   This young man   right here, 250 00:11:12,620 --> 00:11:14,920   Chris Jackson of Gulfport. 251 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,090      [young Abdul-Rauf] I really     can't remember the first time 252 00:11:17,290 --> 00:11:19,380  I touched it,  but when I did, 253 00:11:19,580 --> 00:11:22,010  you know,      that was my love, you know? 254 00:11:22,210 --> 00:11:24,260  Just the idea of trying     to get it in that little hoop 255 00:11:24,460 --> 00:11:26,600  and, you know, and...  practicing so much 256 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,310     I just grew to love it more. 257 00:11:28,510 --> 00:11:29,600  [interviewer]  You couldn't put that ball down. 258 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,300 {\an8}     I never could put it down. 259 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,270 {\an8}  [Bennett]  Lake Charles, Louisiana. 260 00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:36,900 {\an8}  We go in the gym,  I mean, it's packed out. 261 00:11:37,100 --> 00:11:38,190 {\an8}  Standing room only. 262 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:43,240  Coach had this play,     if you wanna call it a play. 263 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:44,910  This fist... 264 00:11:45,110 --> 00:11:46,780      and we just flattened out. 265 00:11:46,980 --> 00:11:49,580  Just go one-on-one,  one-on-one all game long. 266 00:11:49,780 --> 00:11:51,450  And we'd just  stand there and watch. 267 00:11:51,650 --> 00:11:53,290  We'd just watch the show, 268 00:11:53,490 --> 00:11:55,540  'cause there was  gonna be a show. 269 00:11:57,250 --> 00:11:59,380  Wound up hitting,  like, 55 in the game. 270 00:11:59,580 --> 00:12:01,050  [applause] 271 00:12:01,250 --> 00:12:03,130  He's certainly  the best offensive player 272 00:12:03,330 --> 00:12:04,630  I've ever coached  or ever seen 273 00:12:04,830 --> 00:12:06,470  in high school,  that's for sure. 274 00:12:06,670 --> 00:12:08,100  [cheering] 275 00:12:08,300 --> 00:12:09,430  [Abdul-Rauf]  My high school coach was 276 00:12:09,630 --> 00:12:10,890     Coach Jenkins, Bert Jenkins. 277 00:12:11,090 --> 00:12:13,270    He was a World War II veteran. 278 00:12:13,470 --> 00:12:17,440  He had his leg blown off,  and so he wore a peg leg. 279 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,270  Very disciplined. 280 00:12:19,470 --> 00:12:20,650  No nonsense. 281 00:12:21,940 --> 00:12:23,650  [Bennett] We shot free throws  before practice. 282 00:12:23,850 --> 00:12:26,490  We had to shoot 25,  I think it was, 283 00:12:26,690 --> 00:12:28,660  and if you didn't miss,  you'd just keep going 284 00:12:28,860 --> 00:12:30,490  until you missed. 285 00:12:30,690 --> 00:12:34,200  [Gerald Austin] Chris got  started one day in particular... 286 00:12:34,410 --> 00:12:36,000 {\an8}  one of the players  told me, said, 287 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,670 {\an8}  "I'm gonna go lie down,  take a nap, 288 00:12:37,870 --> 00:12:39,670 {\an8}  wake me when it's over."  [laughing] 289 00:12:39,870 --> 00:12:42,540 {\an8}     That's when he hit the 283. 290 00:12:43,670 --> 00:12:45,340 {\an8}  [commentator]  Last year, Jackson led Gulfport 291 00:12:45,540 --> 00:12:47,840   to the state 5A   state championship, 292 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,010   averaging   over 25 points a game, 293 00:12:50,210 --> 00:12:52,390   five and a half assists,   and three rebounds. 294 00:12:52,590 --> 00:12:54,520   The sports bible,   Smith & Streets, 295 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,890   says Jackson is   the best high school guard 296 00:12:57,090 --> 00:12:58,980   in the United States   this year. 297 00:12:59,180 --> 00:13:01,360   You can imagine       how many colleges would like 298 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:03,780   to see him play for them   next season. 299 00:13:03,980 --> 00:13:07,110  [Abdul-Rauf]  Basketball, I loved it, 300 00:13:07,310 --> 00:13:09,200  gave me something  to look forward to. 301 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,160  At the same time,    everything had to feel perfect, 302 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,120      and so it was literally... 303 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,620  I thought I was  gonna die every day. 304 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,540  Now, I could have  nine shots in row... 305 00:13:24,250 --> 00:13:26,550      if I relaxed one second... 306 00:13:26,750 --> 00:13:28,130  I gotta start over. 307 00:13:28,330 --> 00:13:29,720  If there's one glitch  in the move, 308 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,720  I have to start over;  that drill 309 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,390  of going through  ten shots may take me 310 00:13:33,590 --> 00:13:35,140  another hour,  hour and a half 311 00:13:35,340 --> 00:13:38,730     to make all ten straight in. 312 00:13:38,930 --> 00:13:42,560  But I would realize,     when I would work that hard, 313 00:13:42,770 --> 00:13:44,400  there would be  a moment when I-- 314 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,570  breathing so hard,    but then your breathing slows. 315 00:13:47,770 --> 00:13:50,780  Once it slows down  to a degree, 316 00:13:50,980 --> 00:13:54,740  there's this moment  where I'm totally still, 317 00:13:54,940 --> 00:13:59,160  and that's the most  peaceful time in my life. 318 00:14:01,370 --> 00:14:03,750  I live for those moments.  Those moments, for me, 319 00:14:03,950 --> 00:14:06,420     of stillness, are priceless. 320 00:14:06,620 --> 00:14:08,460  They're priceless. 321 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,010  [echoing breathing] 322 00:14:14,180 --> 00:14:15,430 {\an8}  [Owen Miller]     We were at a basketball camp 323 00:14:15,630 --> 00:14:17,350 {\an8}  at Mississippi State. 324 00:14:17,550 --> 00:14:19,440 {\an8}    My parents took us up there. 325 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,110 {\an8}  And our first night  in that dorm room, 326 00:14:23,310 --> 00:14:25,230  it was... 327 00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:27,230  excuse me... 328 00:14:28,900 --> 00:14:30,950  um, it was hard, 329 00:14:31,150 --> 00:14:32,910  watching him go to sleep. 330 00:14:33,110 --> 00:14:35,870  I guess the way     to describe it, it was like, 331 00:14:36,070 --> 00:14:38,200     somebody else was inside him, 332 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,790  and he was  fighting this person. 333 00:14:40,990 --> 00:14:43,580  We knew  there was a problem. 334 00:14:43,780 --> 00:14:45,620  But we did not know what. 335 00:14:47,580 --> 00:14:51,840  We had a coach come in  to watch us practice, 336 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,640  and after practice,  he said, "Coach, I notice 337 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,430     Chris has got a little tick." 338 00:14:56,630 --> 00:14:59,100  "Well, yeah," I said,      doctors, they just told him 339 00:14:59,300 --> 00:15:01,180    it was something he'd outgrow,  and he said... 340 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,650  "No, he won't."  He said, "I can tell you 341 00:15:04,850 --> 00:15:07,320  exactly what he's got,     he's got Tourette syndrome." 342 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,110  And he said, "I know  because my son has it." 343 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,570  Mrs. Jenkins was  taking me home 344 00:15:13,770 --> 00:15:15,370  one day after practice, 345 00:15:15,570 --> 00:15:17,580      and she basically asked me 346 00:15:17,780 --> 00:15:19,830  that my mother  would mind, right, 347 00:15:20,030 --> 00:15:24,500  if her and...  and Coach Jenkins 348 00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:27,250  saw to it that I went  and saw a doctor. 349 00:15:28,540 --> 00:15:29,920  [doctor]     When was the very first time 350 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,170  you noticed  any kind of ticks? 351 00:15:32,370 --> 00:15:34,760  I would say the ninth... 352 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,760  junior high,  ninth grade. 353 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,260  Okay, and what was  the very first tick... 354 00:15:39,470 --> 00:15:40,850      that you had at that time? 355 00:15:41,050 --> 00:15:43,520  Um... um... 356 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,480  I guess tapping on things  and stuff like that. 357 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,940  Blinking, eyebrows,  moving my head, 358 00:15:49,140 --> 00:15:51,480  you know,      it was like that and stuff. 359 00:15:52,820 --> 00:15:54,240  [Abdul-Rauf]  He went straight to it, he said, 360 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,200  "So, do you know      what's going on with you?" 361 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,280  I said, "No, that's--  that's why I'm here." 362 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:00,620  He said,     "You have Tourette syndrome." 363 00:16:02,660 --> 00:16:04,870 {\an8}  Tourette syndrome is  a neurological disorder 364 00:16:05,070 --> 00:16:06,920 {\an8}  that usually starts  in childhood, 365 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,960 {\an8}  but may persist  through adulthood. 366 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,000 {\an8}  They start having  involuntary movements 367 00:16:11,210 --> 00:16:13,170 {\an8}  such as blinking,  facial grimacing, 368 00:16:13,370 --> 00:16:14,930  head jerking,  shoulder shrugging. 369 00:16:15,130 --> 00:16:17,930  They also have a variety  of behavioral problems 370 00:16:18,130 --> 00:16:20,310  such as obsessive-  compulsive disorder. 371 00:16:20,510 --> 00:16:22,060  In some ways, actually, 372 00:16:22,260 --> 00:16:24,230  those symptoms helped him 373 00:16:24,430 --> 00:16:26,890  to become a successful  basketball player. 374 00:16:28,350 --> 00:16:30,190  I can remember,  like yesterday, man, 375 00:16:30,390 --> 00:16:32,900  just feeling  a... ton of relief. 376 00:16:33,100 --> 00:16:37,030      Like, just a huge load was      taken off of my shoulders. 377 00:16:37,230 --> 00:16:39,740  There's a name for it?  And that it doesn't... 378 00:16:39,940 --> 00:16:41,700  doesn't mean  that I'm crazy? 379 00:16:41,900 --> 00:16:44,040     I was able to walk to school,      "I have Tourette syndrome." 380 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,210  Right?  And say it proudly. 381 00:16:47,410 --> 00:16:50,000  [doctor]  Okay, just stand there. 382 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:51,920      [Jacqueline] I didn't know  he had that problem, 383 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,420  and once I realized it... 384 00:16:54,620 --> 00:16:56,010  made me cry. 385 00:16:56,210 --> 00:16:57,380  I cried many days. 386 00:16:57,580 --> 00:16:58,890    'Cause I'm hollering at my son 387 00:16:59,090 --> 00:17:00,680  for something  he couldn't control. 388 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,440      [Abdul-Rauf] I was getting  letters from colleges 389 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,770  all over the nation,  and a lot of that came 390 00:17:08,970 --> 00:17:11,940  as a result of going    to the Nike camp in Princeton. 391 00:17:12,140 --> 00:17:14,110      [commentator]   Basketball is      the name of the game this week 392 00:17:14,310 --> 00:17:15,820   at Princeton University. 393 00:17:16,020 --> 00:17:18,240   Many college coaches   and NBA players 394 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,120   are giving   firsthand instruction 395 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,200   to the 110 blue chippers. 396 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,290  [Abdul-Rauf]  Michael Jordan was there. 397 00:17:24,490 --> 00:17:27,160  I'm on the bottom row  of the bleachers. 398 00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:29,290  Just, out of nowhere,  he looks at me, 399 00:17:29,490 --> 00:17:31,250  says, "Come out here,  young fella." 400 00:17:31,450 --> 00:17:33,800  Said okay.  So I step out, 401 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,460    and I'm at the top of the key. 402 00:17:35,660 --> 00:17:37,050  And he gives me the ball,  he says, "I want you 403 00:17:37,250 --> 00:17:38,930  to come at me      with everything you have." 404 00:17:39,130 --> 00:17:40,800    You know, and I'm sitting here,  like, man, this is... 405 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,550  one of the moments  I've been waiting for. 406 00:17:44,090 --> 00:17:46,730  And I remember getting      a ball in my triple threat. 407 00:17:46,930 --> 00:17:49,940  I go between my legs,  and I lean. 408 00:17:50,140 --> 00:17:52,730  I cross him over,    I lay him up on the other side. 409 00:17:54,020 --> 00:17:55,400  And I remember,  when I sat down, 410 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:56,820  the whole time  I'm sitting there, 411 00:17:57,020 --> 00:17:58,610  I said,  if I can do this on him, 412 00:17:58,810 --> 00:18:00,660  I'm onto something.  Like, all of this stuff-- 413 00:18:00,860 --> 00:18:02,320  I've been doing this  since elementary. 414 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,240  A lot of these moves.  Cross-over, bop-bop-bop. 415 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,200  Working on this day-in      and day-out, consistently. 416 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,410     And these moves are working. 417 00:18:09,620 --> 00:18:11,750  It's like, I'm not having      to change much of anything. 418 00:18:11,950 --> 00:18:13,920  [cheering] 419 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:15,840  [Bennett] Once he became      a high school All-American, 420 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,970  going to Tar City Heels was like      traveling with the Beatles. 421 00:18:18,170 --> 00:18:20,300  I mean,      those gyms was jam-packed. 422 00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:22,840      I don't care where we went,  it was jam-packed. 423 00:18:23,050 --> 00:18:24,600  [cheering] 424 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,350  [Abdul-Rauf]  North Carolina... 425 00:18:26,550 --> 00:18:28,390  I'm looking at them  a little bit. 426 00:18:28,590 --> 00:18:31,810     And Georgetown and LSU also,    you know, I'm looking at them. 427 00:18:32,010 --> 00:18:34,440      [Dale Brown] The first time  I saw Chris Jackson, 428 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,480  there was almost  an angelic look to him. 429 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,030     He grew up in abject poverty. 430 00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:43,120  He had always  had a perpetual smile. 431 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,490      I don't wanna get dramatic,  but something spiritual 432 00:18:45,690 --> 00:18:47,990  about him,  just a good human being. 433 00:18:49,330 --> 00:18:50,710  [Abdul-Rauf] I said,  "I'm going to LSU, 434 00:18:50,910 --> 00:18:52,540  and that's my decision." 435 00:18:52,740 --> 00:18:55,500  [Brown] Everybody really      didn't know much about him. 436 00:18:55,700 --> 00:18:57,250      He was... from Mississippi, 437 00:18:57,450 --> 00:18:59,170  so didn't get as much publicity. 438 00:18:59,370 --> 00:19:00,630  [announcer]   6'1" freshman 439 00:19:00,830 --> 00:19:02,430 {\an8}      from Gulfport, Mississippi, 440 00:19:02,630 --> 00:19:05,720 {\an8}   #35, Chris Jackson. 441 00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:08,810 {\an8}  [crowd roaring] 442 00:19:09,010 --> 00:19:10,430 {\an8}  [Abdul-Rauf]  We go into Florida. 443 00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:12,850 {\an8}     They're the number one team  in the SEC. 444 00:19:13,050 --> 00:19:16,520 {\an8} The stands are full to capacity. 445 00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:19,690 {\an8}    -[commentator]   Look at this.    -[commentator 2]   They'd better 446 00:19:19,890 --> 00:19:21,150 {\an8}   get in his face. 447 00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:22,610 {\an8}  [Abdul-Rauf]  The game starts. 448 00:19:22,810 --> 00:19:24,530 {\an8}  I just knew that  I just felt that I was 449 00:19:24,730 --> 00:19:26,580 {\an8}   in the zone, but I didn't know      how good of a zone it was. 450 00:19:26,780 --> 00:19:28,870 {\an8}  [commentator]   Pop through, dipsy-doo! 451 00:19:29,070 --> 00:19:31,080 {\an8}   Oh, a fade-back, baby! 452 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,210      Florida couldn't stop 'em,  they tried everything. 453 00:19:33,410 --> 00:19:35,420  They double-teamed,  they zoned, they pressed. 454 00:19:35,620 --> 00:19:37,290     [commentator]   There's the new   record against Florida. 455 00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:39,460   Jackson has 53. 456 00:19:39,660 --> 00:19:41,500  He just went through 'em,  and just with ease. 457 00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:46,050     [Abdul-Rauf] After the game,    I'm going into the locker room, 458 00:19:46,250 --> 00:19:47,600      we're excited that we won. 459 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,260  Craig Carse... 460 00:19:49,460 --> 00:19:51,060  grabs me and shakes me. 461 00:19:51,260 --> 00:19:53,350  "Man, you just  scored 53 points! 462 00:19:53,550 --> 00:19:55,440  They wanna see you  outside now!" 463 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,570    When I came around that corner,  we just beat Florida. 464 00:19:58,770 --> 00:20:00,610  They give me  a standing ovation. 465 00:20:00,810 --> 00:20:02,360  Like, they're clapping. 466 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,530  But now?  My feelings shift. 467 00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:10,240  I'm scared.     Because I'm saying to myself, 468 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,290  man, this is  happening too fast. 469 00:20:12,490 --> 00:20:14,040  I'm thinking  I'mma get hit by a train. 470 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,420  I can't... I couldn't  embrace success. 471 00:20:16,620 --> 00:20:18,290  I couldn't enjoy it. 472 00:20:18,490 --> 00:20:19,840  'Cause I'm always looking  around a corner. 473 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,510     This is too good to be true. 474 00:20:21,710 --> 00:20:23,670  Things like this don't  happen to people like me. 475 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,090      I got a target on my back. 476 00:20:27,290 --> 00:20:28,760  Can't rest,  can't be comfortable. 477 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,130  Gotta keep moving. 478 00:20:31,930 --> 00:20:34,310      I'm fighting against fears. 479 00:20:34,510 --> 00:20:36,350  I'm fighting      against feeling inadequate. 480 00:20:36,550 --> 00:20:39,480  I'm fighting  against insecurities. 481 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,270  I'm like, man,  I gotta make it. 482 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,650  I gotta get through this,  or my life is over. 483 00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:45,280  [commentator]   Twenty-one seconds! 484 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,780  -[whistle blowing]  -[crowd cheering] 485 00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:49,700  [commentator]  Feast your eyes on the freshman. 486 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:52,240 {\an8}  [crowd cheering] 487 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,080 {\an8}  [Shaquille O'Neal]  I'm signed with LSU. 488 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,870 {\an8}     One day, I'm in the house,  when there's-- 489 00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:58,290 {\an8}    LSU about to play Georgetown,  and I see him, 490 00:20:58,490 --> 00:21:00,420  Chris Jackson. 491 00:21:00,620 --> 00:21:02,170  And I'm like,  "What is that?" 492 00:21:02,370 --> 00:21:04,670  [commentator]   And here is   Chris Jackson, #35. 493 00:21:06,130 --> 00:21:08,680  [Shaq] Smooth.  Jumping was smooth. 494 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,510  Had the pretty game. 495 00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:12,590  [commentator]       Jackson, down in the middle. 496 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,180  And it looked like I was     watching God play basketball. 497 00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:19,650  [whistle blowing] 498 00:21:19,850 --> 00:21:22,190  [commentator chatter] 499 00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:27,320  [Jalen Rose] I was still      in high school at the time 500 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,320 {\an8}  and anticipating  going to college. 501 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,910 {\an8}  I was being recruited. 502 00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:32,870 {\an8}  And I was like,  "Wait a minute... 503 00:21:33,070 --> 00:21:34,490 {\an8}  he a freshman?" 504 00:21:35,450 --> 00:21:37,040  [reporter]   Chris Jackson is 505 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,830       one of the most talked-about   college freshmen 506 00:21:39,030 --> 00:21:40,830   to come along   in some time, 507 00:21:41,030 --> 00:21:44,170   and   Sports Illustrated   released a special feature 508 00:21:44,370 --> 00:21:46,340   on the hotshot freshman   from Gulfport, 509 00:21:46,540 --> 00:21:49,550   with Chris   right smack on the cover. 510 00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:51,930  Well, he was  almost the first one 511 00:21:52,130 --> 00:21:53,600  that was like  a miniature guy 512 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,680     that led the team in scoring. 513 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,730     'Cause usually the small guy,  his job was to be 514 00:21:57,930 --> 00:22:00,400      a traditional point guard,  set everybody else up. 515 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,900  So, he was something    that just jumped off the screen 516 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:05,980      and had a crazy wow factor. 517 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,530 {\an8}  I absolutely remember  when I first heard of 518 00:22:09,730 --> 00:22:11,030 {\an8}  Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, 519 00:22:11,230 --> 00:22:13,070 {\an8}  and at that time  he was Chris Jackson, 520 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,320 {\an8}  and he was  a superstar at LSU. 521 00:22:18,530 --> 00:22:20,540 {\an8}  And he was by far  the most exciting player 522 00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:22,000  to watch  in the nation. 523 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,830  [crowd cheering] 524 00:22:26,540 --> 00:22:28,550  I was in high school  at that time, 525 00:22:28,750 --> 00:22:30,430  and that's the time  when you're looking 526 00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:33,970  at these college guys     in a really aspirational way, 527 00:22:34,170 --> 00:22:35,760      'cause they're a step ahead  of you, and they're 528 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,640 {\an8}  where you wanna be:      playing college basketball. 529 00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:42,270 {\an8}  I just remember him  just being lethal 530 00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:43,940 {\an8}  from everywhere. 531 00:22:44,140 --> 00:22:45,730 {\an8}  Just lighting it up. 532 00:22:45,930 --> 00:22:47,650 {\an8}  I just wanted to see him  shoot all the time. 533 00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:49,820  [laughing] 534 00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:53,160      Pulling up from a few feet  and from half-court, 535 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:56,950  he was truly Steph Curry  before Steph Curry. 536 00:22:57,150 --> 00:22:58,870  [Steph Curry]      The creative flair he had, 537 00:22:59,070 --> 00:23:00,410 {\an8}  range, 538 00:23:00,610 --> 00:23:02,120 {\an8}  they try to make  those kind of 539 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,170 {\an8}  correlations to the way  that I play now. 540 00:23:04,370 --> 00:23:06,960 {\an8}  [commentator]   Steph for the win! 541 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,420  [cheering] 542 00:23:09,620 --> 00:23:11,590  Balance of, like,  inside, outside game. 543 00:23:11,790 --> 00:23:13,970  Handles, being able  to kind of just shoot 544 00:23:14,170 --> 00:23:16,220  at the drop of a dime. 545 00:23:17,260 --> 00:23:19,390  And we're... both  not the tallest guys. 546 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,810  He was kind of a pioneer  in that sense. 547 00:23:25,010 --> 00:23:26,480  I don't know  how many people give him 548 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,280  enough credit  for his style of play. 549 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,150  [crowd, chanting]  Four, three, two, one! 550 00:23:32,350 --> 00:23:34,570  [cheering] 551 00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:38,620      [Abdul-Rauf] The next year      I came back as a sophomore, 552 00:23:38,820 --> 00:23:40,570     and we brought in Shaquille. 553 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,500  Shaquille looked      like just a different type. 554 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:48,040  This dude is hungry.  He's a beast. 555 00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:53,680     And then Stanley wasn't there  the first year, 556 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,550  so we had  these two 7'2" guys. 557 00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:58,760  [commentator]   Roberts for  two points, back into the game. 558 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,850  [cheering] 559 00:24:01,050 --> 00:24:03,020  [Rose] Stanley Roberts  and Shaquille O'Neal. 560 00:24:03,220 --> 00:24:06,310     The latter two gentlemen are  mountain of men. 561 00:24:06,510 --> 00:24:08,610  When you see  the build of Shaq... 562 00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:10,690  [commentator]   Inside O'Neal... 563 00:24:10,890 --> 00:24:13,530      That's how Stanley Roberts  was also built. 564 00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:15,530  [voice]  Good one, Stanley! 565 00:24:15,730 --> 00:24:18,030     And it wasn't no question who  the best player on the team was. 566 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:20,200      [commentator]   Chris spins,   shoots the ball away... 567 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,200  [cheering] 568 00:24:23,410 --> 00:24:24,790  There was a professional  jealousy there 569 00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:26,210  with me and him. 570 00:24:26,410 --> 00:24:27,630  My last two years  in high school, 571 00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:28,960  I was the man, 572 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,500  but then,  when you get to college, 573 00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:32,380  nah, you're not the man  anymore, brother. 574 00:24:32,580 --> 00:24:34,380  He is.  And it was just, 575 00:24:34,580 --> 00:24:36,510  "Hey, Chris, hey, Chris,  hey, Chris, hey, Chris." 576 00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:38,510  Nobody said, "Hey, Shaq." 577 00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:41,560    [Stanley Roberts] At that time,      those two just didn't vibe. 578 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,180      I was caught in the middle,  but my thing was, 579 00:24:44,380 --> 00:24:46,270  Chris was the man. 580 00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:49,140  I mean, he was...  the show-stopper. 581 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,020  [whistle blowing] 582 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,240  When I say the term, it was like     watching God play basketball, 583 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,650  he shoots 100 shots,  he gonna make 90 of 'em. 584 00:25:04,990 --> 00:25:07,670  I'm in the gym door,  watching him, 585 00:25:07,870 --> 00:25:10,750  and he's stroking it,  bah-bah-bah-bah... 586 00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:13,090  he's just shooting      and shooting and shooting. 587 00:25:13,290 --> 00:25:16,050  And he would get  to 97, 98, 99, and 100. 588 00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:19,050      And if that 100 one wasn't     pretty, he'd start all over. 589 00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:22,090  And I said, "Okay...  I wanna be that." 590 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,270  [Roberts] You'd hear him    come down and dribble the ball 591 00:25:25,470 --> 00:25:26,600  down the court,  and he'd go "Aah!" 592 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,100  and throw his head back, 593 00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:29,400  and I used to ask him,  I was like, 594 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,270  when you make a move, 595 00:25:31,470 --> 00:25:33,570  and you do  a head-fake... 596 00:25:33,770 --> 00:25:35,240  is that the Tourette's, 597 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,030  or is that you actually  giving a head-fake? 598 00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:40,280  It's hard to guard a guy 599 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,700  when he has that tick. 600 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,120  He didn't like  taking his medication. 601 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,040  He hated his medication. 602 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,710  Because he felt like  it brought his game down, 603 00:25:50,910 --> 00:25:54,040  so certain games,  he wouldn't take it. 604 00:25:55,380 --> 00:25:58,250  They ended up putting me  on Haldol. 605 00:26:00,090 --> 00:26:02,850  It was used  for psychopathic patients 606 00:26:03,050 --> 00:26:06,310     to basically calm them down. 607 00:26:06,510 --> 00:26:07,810  You were constantly  gaining weight, 608 00:26:08,010 --> 00:26:10,220  sleeping all the time;  you a zombie. 609 00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:13,820  My first year at LSU,  I go from 172 610 00:26:14,020 --> 00:26:15,940      my freshman year, I'm 185. 611 00:26:17,020 --> 00:26:18,570 {\an8}     He was especially concerned 612 00:26:18,770 --> 00:26:21,160 {\an8}  about the side effects  of the Haldol. 613 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:23,030 {\an8}  Drowsiness, weight gain, 614 00:26:23,230 --> 00:26:24,660 {\an8}  those were some  of the side effects 615 00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:27,290 {\an8}  that were of concern. 616 00:26:27,490 --> 00:26:29,160 {\an8}  I still look back,  and I say, man, I... 617 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,830 {\an8}  still hold the all-time  freshman scoring record 618 00:26:32,030 --> 00:26:35,800 {\an8}  at 30.2 points a game.  Overweight. 619 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,090  I can only imagine    if I was in my playing weight. 620 00:26:38,290 --> 00:26:40,130  [crowd booing] 621 00:26:43,630 --> 00:26:45,600  Mississippi State... 622 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,520  when I headed  to the court, 623 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,140  as soon as  the fans saw my body, 624 00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:51,020  it was some  of the loudest boos 625 00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:52,690      I've ever heard in my life. 626 00:26:52,890 --> 00:26:54,770  [crowd booing] 627 00:26:54,970 --> 00:26:56,520  [booing continues] 628 00:26:56,730 --> 00:26:58,230  It's-- I thought  the booing was for me. 629 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,940  I'm sure it was  for Chris Jackson. 630 00:27:00,150 --> 00:27:02,160  [crowd booing] 631 00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,530  Mississippi State,  they were... 632 00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:06,080  I'm not gonna throw  the R-word around, 633 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,200  -they were different.  -[crowd booing] 634 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,290      [Abdul-Rauf] And of course  you would hear people... 635 00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:14,000     you would hear people saying,  "Who's your daddy?" 636 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,800  [Shaq] Who's your dad?  Who's your dad? 637 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,510  So, I look  at Maurice, I'm like, 638 00:27:19,710 --> 00:27:20,970     "Who are they talking about?"  He said, "Yeah, 639 00:27:21,170 --> 00:27:23,090  Chris don't know  who his father is." 640 00:27:23,290 --> 00:27:24,760     They bothered him that game, 641 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,510  'cause Chris is  from Mississippi. 642 00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:28,890      [Brown] "Who's your daddy?"  "Who's your daddy?" 643 00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:32,140  It was sickening,  preposterous, 644 00:27:32,340 --> 00:27:34,400  I could've regurgitated. 645 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,310  [Abdul-Rauf]      This was Mississippi State. 646 00:27:36,510 --> 00:27:39,230  There was no let-up,  and you can just feel... 647 00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:41,820  in that area,  just the air of racism. 648 00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:44,240  [crowd booing] 649 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,570     [commentator]   Look at that...   just ping-pong inside... 650 00:27:46,780 --> 00:27:48,370   and O'Neal... 651 00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:50,200   broken up   and stolen by LSU, 652 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,580   then right back to Burns   for the slam! 653 00:27:52,780 --> 00:27:54,500  [cheering] 654 00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:56,330  [Shaq] It was      a close game so, of course, 655 00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:57,710  Brown calls a timeout. 656 00:27:57,910 --> 00:27:59,210  All right,  so what're we gonna do? 657 00:27:59,410 --> 00:28:01,010  -[crowd chanting]  -Chris said, "Fuck that, 658 00:28:01,210 --> 00:28:04,220  gimme the ball,"  and when he says that, 659 00:28:04,420 --> 00:28:05,840  give it to him,  move out the way. 660 00:28:07,050 --> 00:28:09,350  [commentator]   Eight point   Mississippi State lead. 661 00:28:09,550 --> 00:28:11,270   Jackson, count it! 662 00:28:11,470 --> 00:28:14,600   Jackson goes up--   unbelievable! 663 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,440  [commentator 2]   Uncanny, everybody knows 664 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,570   what he's gonna do,  and he still gets away with it. 665 00:28:18,770 --> 00:28:20,110  [commentator]   Let's see      as he goes right to the three, 666 00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:21,730   he's got two men   trailing him, 667 00:28:21,940 --> 00:28:23,490   there's the foul,   it didn't go, 668 00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:25,860   but Jackson will shoot   three free throws. 669 00:28:26,060 --> 00:28:28,200  I've never seen nothing like it. 670 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,870  Greatest performance  I've seen, 671 00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:31,870  ever, in the history  of basketball. 672 00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:33,830  [commentator]   That's   39 points for him tonight. 673 00:28:34,030 --> 00:28:36,210  I done seen Jordan,  I done seen Barkley, 674 00:28:36,410 --> 00:28:39,000  I done seen Isaiah,  Magic, Kobe, Penny, 675 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,870  I ain't never  seen nothing like that. 676 00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:46,760  On the court,  showing his actions, 677 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,720  he was perfect,  but he was very shy. 678 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,720  He-- and he didn't  speak up a lot of times. 679 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,480     He didn't like confrontation. 680 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,770      People ask me all the time,  "What was he like?" 681 00:28:58,970 --> 00:29:02,280  And my answer is--    is very astonishing to people. 682 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,280  I don't know. Of course,    we saw each other in practice, 683 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,320  but after that  I never saw him. 684 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,870  You know,  I don't really go out, 685 00:29:09,070 --> 00:29:10,450  and that's what  I mainly do, you know, 686 00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:12,200  -my free time is--  -You don't go out? 687 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,080  I haven't been out    since I've been-- been to LSU. 688 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,080  I just stay in my room  and listen to music 689 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,080  and just relax. 690 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,500  I remember going in--  going in to Chris's room 691 00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:24,550  during the day,  in between classes, 692 00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:27,260     and he was laying on his bed,  and he was reading 693 00:29:27,460 --> 00:29:29,550   The Autobiography   of Malcolm X. 694 00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:32,310  Coach Dale Brown gave me 695 00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:33,930     the autobiography of Malcolm. 696 00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:36,680  I never heard of Malcolm  at that point. 697 00:29:36,890 --> 00:29:38,730  It's embarrassing for me  to even say that. 698 00:29:38,930 --> 00:29:40,270  And the moment      I started reading the book, 699 00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:42,020  I couldn't put it down. 700 00:29:42,220 --> 00:29:44,070  I just became fascinated  with the person, 701 00:29:44,270 --> 00:29:46,030  how his mind worked. 702 00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:48,150  I pray that you will grow 703 00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:51,160  intellectually,      so that you can understand 704 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,700  the problems of the world  and where you fit into, 705 00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:56,000  in that world picture. 706 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,710  And I pray  that all of the fear 707 00:29:57,910 --> 00:30:00,210  that has ever been in your heart  will be taken out. 708 00:30:00,410 --> 00:30:03,290     [Abdul-Rauf] He was fearless  in speaking his mind. 709 00:30:03,490 --> 00:30:05,300  Seemed not to care  what people thought. 710 00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:08,380  I didn't have that.      So, as I'm reading his life 711 00:30:08,580 --> 00:30:10,720  and being a Black man  and going through 712 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,550      his experiences with racism  and everything else, 713 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,350  and-- and then  showing that strength 714 00:30:16,550 --> 00:30:18,310  in front of everybody,  white people included, 715 00:30:18,510 --> 00:30:20,900  and I didn't see this  in my family, I'm like, 716 00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:22,390  "Oh, this is different." 717 00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:30,240  I went home one day. 718 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,240  And, when I went home, 719 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,580  I'm in my mom's house,    and I open up the refrigerator, 720 00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:36,070  and it was, like, empty. 721 00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:39,450      So, I go into the bathroom. 722 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,790  And I lean on the sink,  the sink falls in. 723 00:30:47,170 --> 00:30:48,880  At that moment, all of... 724 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,590  this is just  coming down on me, 725 00:30:51,790 --> 00:30:53,260  man, you're eating  three meals a day, 726 00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:55,640  you're traveling,  got all of this going on, 727 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,680  and your mom      and your brother here, man. 728 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,770  Empty refrigerator,  tore-up house. 729 00:31:00,970 --> 00:31:03,860  I walked out that house, I said,  "Man, to hell with this! 730 00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:05,690  Damn it, I'm going,  I'm leaving!" 731 00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:08,440     I said, "I'm not coming back  to LSU! I'm going pro!" 732 00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:12,410 {\an8}  My dream started back  coming up in Mississippi, 733 00:31:12,610 --> 00:31:14,700 {\an8}  on the playgrounds,  when I used to play ball. 734 00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:16,700 {\an8}  Uh, hoping  that some-- someday, 735 00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,120 {\an8}  something like this would  happen for me... 736 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,460 {\an8}  and... it's so close now,  and I'm excited about it, 737 00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:24,540 {\an8}  and hopefully  everything will work out. 738 00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:27,920 {\an8}    He had declared to the draft, 739 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,260 {\an8}  and he asked me  to represent him, 740 00:31:30,460 --> 00:31:33,590 {\an8}  and there were  some rumors going around 741 00:31:33,790 --> 00:31:36,140 {\an8}  that, when he was at LSU, 742 00:31:36,340 --> 00:31:37,810  they had to take him  in the dressing room 743 00:31:38,010 --> 00:31:39,350     and lay him down on a table, 744 00:31:39,550 --> 00:31:42,100  in order to calm him down  at the half, 745 00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:44,850  for him to go back out  on the court and play. 746 00:31:45,050 --> 00:31:47,150     [Abdul-Rauf] One of the guys  in Orlando asked me, 747 00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:50,190 {\an8}     he says, "So, do you think    Tourette's affects your play?" 748 00:31:50,390 --> 00:31:52,820 {\an8}  Does it look like  it affects my play? 749 00:31:53,020 --> 00:31:55,280 {\an8}  You were afflicted  with Tourette's syndrome? 750 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,490 {\an8}  How do you think    that could affect, in any way, 751 00:31:57,690 --> 00:32:00,750 {\an8}  the opinion  of the NBA scouts? 752 00:32:00,950 --> 00:32:04,000    If they don't understand what--      what Tourette's really is, 753 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,080  I think it can  affect them a great deal, 754 00:32:07,290 --> 00:32:10,090  but, uh, Tourette's,  something for me, 755 00:32:10,290 --> 00:32:12,010  I think      it's helped me if anything 756 00:32:12,210 --> 00:32:15,340      because it makes you wanna    do things over and over again. 757 00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:19,140  I wrote a letter     on behalf of Chris to the NBA 758 00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:21,180  that, in his case,  the Tourette syndrome 759 00:32:21,380 --> 00:32:23,350     should not interfere at all. 760 00:32:24,390 --> 00:32:27,100  [Eddie Miller] I took  that letter to Chicago, 761 00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:29,320  and when we got there,  I disseminated it 762 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,820  to all the teams. 763 00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:33,480 {\an8}     He went from 13th to three. 764 00:32:34,940 --> 00:32:38,830 {\an8}  With the third pick  of the 1990 NBA draft... 765 00:32:39,030 --> 00:32:41,080 {\an8}  the Denver Nuggets select 766 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,540  Chris Jackson from LSU! 767 00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:45,240 {\an8}  [applause] 768 00:32:47,660 --> 00:32:49,170 {\an8}  [Abdul-Rauf]      I was nervous, man, I was-- 769 00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:52,510 {\an8}  I was, like...     I was grateful, I was happy, 770 00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:54,720 {\an8}  but I was also scared. 771 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,470 {\an8}  Because it's that fear of      "something's gonna happen." 772 00:32:58,670 --> 00:33:00,140  [Abdul-Rauf] This is    like a dream come true for me, 773 00:33:00,340 --> 00:33:02,310  being here,  this is a great city, 774 00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:05,100  and I'm gonna do     whatever I can while I'm here 775 00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:08,930  to, uh, try my best    and to make this team a winner. 776 00:33:17,860 --> 00:33:19,870     The off-season before Denver, 777 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:22,030  I was listening  to the wrong people. 778 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,580  They said, "Man,    when you go to that next level, 779 00:33:25,780 --> 00:33:27,420  oh, you're gonna have  to pick up some weight." 780 00:33:27,620 --> 00:33:29,210  [reporter] What about  the critics who say that 781 00:33:29,410 --> 00:33:30,750  Chris Jackson needs  to fill out-- 782 00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:33,090  he needs  to physically mature-- 783 00:33:33,290 --> 00:33:34,920  a couple more years,  at least another year, 784 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,420  before he's ready  to come out? 785 00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:39,260  Well, um, I know, 786 00:33:39,460 --> 00:33:40,600  mentally and physically, 787 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,760 {\an8}  I need to,  you know, improve. 788 00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:46,060 {\an8}  Especially going  into the NBA, you know? 789 00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:48,440 {\an8}  And, uh, I think that... 790 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,100 {\an8}  I need to get  on the weights some 791 00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:51,980 {\an8}     and get a little stronger,  of course. 792 00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:53,940  And so what I did,  I began to eat. 793 00:33:54,140 --> 00:33:56,400  I was working out,  but I wasn't working out 794 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,030  as hard, because      I'm trying to gain weight. 795 00:33:59,230 --> 00:34:00,870    And I ended up going to Denver, 796 00:34:01,070 --> 00:34:03,200  back to where I was  my first year at LSU, 797 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,120      like 180-something pounds. 798 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,870  But this time  I was 19% body fat. 799 00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:11,540  Denver now,      it's snowing, it's gloomy, 800 00:34:11,740 --> 00:34:13,250      I'm not accustomed to that. 801 00:34:13,450 --> 00:34:15,750  So I became depressed. 802 00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:20,130  [commentator]   Chris Jackson just cannot 803 00:34:20,330 --> 00:34:21,970 {\an8}   find the hoop. 804 00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:23,470 {\an8}  [Bernie Bickerstaff]  Because of the weight, 805 00:34:23,670 --> 00:34:25,470 {\an8}     he had lost his quickness. 806 00:34:25,670 --> 00:34:29,270 {\an8}   That really hindered who he was  as a basketball player. 807 00:34:29,470 --> 00:34:31,560 {\an8} Because that skill set was gone. 808 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,610 {\an8}  He was basically slow-mo. 809 00:34:33,810 --> 00:34:35,320 {\an8}     [commentator]   Westhead said   in the locker room 810 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,780 {\an8}   following the game,   Jackson was 811 00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:39,900   doubled over   with exhaustion. 812 00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:42,070  I was-- I was  really tired last night. 813 00:34:42,270 --> 00:34:44,620  I had to keep pulling  myself out some, but... 814 00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:46,410  it's gonna take some time  for me to get adjusted 815 00:34:46,610 --> 00:34:48,660  to the running style. 816 00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:51,960      [Abdul-Rauf] Paul Westhead     wanted a run-and-gun system. 817 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,040  And I could remember him    telling us that he wants to be 818 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:56,000  the first coach  in the history of the NBA 819 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,510  that scores 200 points,  not win a championship, 820 00:34:58,710 --> 00:35:00,420  not win--  have a winning season, 821 00:35:00,630 --> 00:35:02,180  but to score 200 points. 822 00:35:02,380 --> 00:35:04,140  Win or lose, 823 00:35:04,340 --> 00:35:08,350  our opponents will be  very, very tired. 824 00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:10,690  Now, I'm out of shape,  and his training camps 825 00:35:10,890 --> 00:35:12,600  were such that  we would have tour days, 826 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,060  and you probably have 827 00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:16,140  a 20-second  water break one time. 828 00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:19,320  You know, we can't  get down on each other, 829 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,450  and sometimes  a situation occurs 830 00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:23,280  where, you know,      things are not going well. 831 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,780  I don't see any substance  in that, I, um... 832 00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:27,370  you know, everyone's... 833 00:35:27,570 --> 00:35:29,530  kind of sees things  differently, I guess. 834 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,790  [Abdul-Rauf]  Going through depression, 835 00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:34,380  anxiety, stress, 836 00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:36,380      having Tourette syndrome... 837 00:35:36,580 --> 00:35:38,170  I was miserable. 838 00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:41,170  We would look at him,  and... we would giggle. 839 00:35:41,370 --> 00:35:43,300  And he'd give us... 840 00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:45,220 {\an8}     give us a look right there,  but always smiled. 841 00:35:45,420 --> 00:35:47,300 {\an8}  It never bothered him.  And I'm sure it did. 842 00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:49,050 {\an8}     'Cause it would bother me. 843 00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:51,680 {\an8}  [Walter Davis]  I would apologize to him 844 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,310 {\an8}  for laughing, you know. 845 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:56,360 {\an8}     I said, "Some of the things  you do is funny." 846 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,940  And he said,     "I'm not trying to be funny." 847 00:36:00,140 --> 00:36:02,360  I don't think     the teammates were educated. 848 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,660  [Keith Glass]  They viewed him as a joke 849 00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:07,070  or as out of control. 850 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,200  I mean, what kind of  an environment is that? 851 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,830  You gotta sit down  and educate your team. 852 00:36:14,490 --> 00:36:17,170 {\an8}  Fans would say  just horrible things, 853 00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:18,920 {\an8}  and they would always be  just out of reach, 854 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,840 {\an8}  but, you know,  "Hey, stop twitching! 855 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,510 {\an8}    You're freaking my wife out!" 856 00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:24,050 {\an8}  You know, things like  that would come down, 857 00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:27,340  and, you know,  you can hear everything. 858 00:36:28,340 --> 00:36:30,430  [Abdul-Rauf]      And I'm counting my money, 859 00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:32,390     'cause I'm saying to myself, 860 00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:34,100  I don't even know      if I wanna do this anymore. 861 00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:38,770      He was a devout Christian. 862 00:36:38,970 --> 00:36:40,940  Had that Bible  on the airplane, 863 00:36:41,140 --> 00:36:43,400  he'd read it, underline. 864 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,530  Time goes on. 865 00:36:45,730 --> 00:36:47,780  And I get a call     from the Rocky Mountain News. 866 00:36:47,980 --> 00:36:51,870  He said, "Here's a quote  by the general manager. 867 00:36:52,070 --> 00:36:54,790  If Chris Jackson's  gonna make it in the NBA, 868 00:36:54,990 --> 00:36:58,170  he'd better pick up a basketball  instead of his Bible." 869 00:36:58,370 --> 00:37:01,380  Our concern was,     "Hey, you have an obligation 870 00:37:01,580 --> 00:37:03,840  to play basketball,  that's-- that's why you're here. 871 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,760      So, hopefully that doesn't     hinder what you're here for." 872 00:37:10,050 --> 00:37:12,310      [Abdul-Rauf] At that time,  I was having issues 873 00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:14,100  with my faith. 874 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,390  I didn't always have  my Bible on me. 875 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,980  I didn't even take    the Bible on the road with me. 876 00:37:20,180 --> 00:37:22,860  I was saying that  I was a Christian, right? 877 00:37:23,060 --> 00:37:25,360  For... the public. 878 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,030  But I was searching. 879 00:37:28,820 --> 00:37:31,330  It began to bother me  because I'm just thinking 880 00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:33,910  about the ideology  in and of itself, 881 00:37:34,110 --> 00:37:36,790      and, after asking questions  time and again, 882 00:37:36,990 --> 00:37:39,580    hearing the same old response,    either you just gotta believe, 883 00:37:39,780 --> 00:37:41,170      or you can't question God, 884 00:37:41,370 --> 00:37:42,840  and to me,  that was unacceptable. 885 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,260  I said, "You know what?  God gives us a mind 886 00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:46,960  to think with." 887 00:37:47,590 --> 00:37:50,590      And one day, I was talking  to a friend of mine. 888 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,510  Islam came up  in conversation. 889 00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:55,470  And I said,     "You're interested in Islam?" 890 00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:57,640  He said, "Yeah, you?"  I said, "Yeah, man, 891 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,850  I've never looked  into it deeply, 892 00:38:00,050 --> 00:38:02,110  but I've been reading    the autobiography of Malcolm," 893 00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:03,980      and his life intrigued me. 894 00:38:04,180 --> 00:38:05,900  And he said that there's  a masjid on Evans Street 895 00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:07,860  in Denver that we can go  and pick up the Quran. 896 00:38:08,060 --> 00:38:09,900  I said, "Let's go." 897 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,070  [soft singing in Arabic] 898 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,160     And so we got to the masjid,  and there was 899 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,120  this Muslim brother  tending to the garden. 900 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,880  We went in the basement,  he gave us the Quran. 901 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,120  I went back home,    I opened up two or three pages. 902 00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:28,630  And I looked  across the table. 903 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,590  I said, "Man,  I don't know about you. 904 00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:33,590  My search is over,  I'm gonna be a Muslim." 905 00:38:36,590 --> 00:38:38,390  [Mahershala]  I think every conversion 906 00:38:38,590 --> 00:38:40,810  is sort of a breadcrumb  for your own. 907 00:38:42,140 --> 00:38:43,980  And seeing those journeys 908 00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:45,730  and the things  that spark those things 909 00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:49,570      was something that I always  found really interesting. 910 00:38:49,770 --> 00:38:51,240  I grew up in church,  and my mom's 911 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,990  an ordained minister,  but I was really 912 00:38:54,190 --> 00:38:57,080      questioning why I believed  what I believed. 913 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,500  And I didn't have  good answers 914 00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:00,210  for why I believed  what I believed. 915 00:39:00,410 --> 00:39:02,330      But the best answer I had,  and I started calling it 916 00:39:02,530 --> 00:39:05,500      "mama faith," was because,  when I got down to it, 917 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:07,250  it was really me 918 00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:09,720  following in line  with what my family did. 919 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,720  [man speaking distantly] 920 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,300      I knew about Muhammad Ali, 921 00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:17,720  to reading about  Malcolm X's conversion, 922 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,810  to Mahmoud's conversion. 923 00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:23,060  And then as I began  to educate myself 924 00:39:23,260 --> 00:39:26,650  to some degree,  landing on how Islam... 925 00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:29,280  described  the relationship to God 926 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,030  and God's  relationship to man, 927 00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:32,910      that just made sense to me. 928 00:39:33,110 --> 00:39:36,320  [singing Muslim prayer] 929 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,320  [all reciting] 930 00:39:41,790 --> 00:39:43,210  [Abdul-Rauf]  All of this occurred 931 00:39:43,410 --> 00:39:44,880  right at the end  of my rookie year. 932 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,290  [speaking Arabic] 933 00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:49,090  [Abdul-Rauf]     And at the end of that year, 934 00:39:49,290 --> 00:39:52,380  I embraced Islam,  and my life changed. 935 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,300  I don't know if you ever  had this experience... 936 00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:59,060      it's like all the questions  I had, you know, 937 00:39:59,260 --> 00:40:01,390  we talk about intuition  and all of that. 938 00:40:01,590 --> 00:40:03,730  It was a calmness,  it was a certainty 939 00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:05,560     that I never felt in my life. 940 00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:09,570  And the more that I read,  the more I engaged, 941 00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:12,900  the more it solidified    the strength in what I believe. 942 00:40:14,070 --> 00:40:17,320  And to test my knowledge,  to test my views, 943 00:40:17,530 --> 00:40:19,290  to see where people are, 944 00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:22,000      and then there's a constant     back-and-forth with learning, 945 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,660  and then,      after the confidence grows, 946 00:40:23,860 --> 00:40:25,500  you develop courage now. 947 00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:28,710      So there's always this push  to work on yourself. 948 00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:30,500  Then I start training. 949 00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:32,170  Then, before you know it, 950 00:40:32,370 --> 00:40:34,300  I had lost  about 40 pounds total. 951 00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:36,880  Got down  to my playing weight. 952 00:40:38,340 --> 00:40:39,890  [Bennett]     He wanted to mirror Malcolm X 953 00:40:40,090 --> 00:40:41,560  at that point in time  in his life. 954 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,480  Pulling hisself up  by the strap of his boots 955 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,690  when he was down,  and making sure 956 00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:47,730  that his legacy wasn't  gonna be a bust. 957 00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:49,360 {\an8}    [commentator]   Chris Jackson,   this is the first time 958 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,030 {\an8}   seeing him this year,   how thin he is. 959 00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:53,530 {\an8}      He has lost a ton of weight. 960 00:40:53,730 --> 00:40:56,030 {\an8}  [crowd roaring] 961 00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:58,530  He got back  to being who he was 962 00:40:58,730 --> 00:41:00,280  and what got him  to this point 963 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,540     of being drafted in the NBA. 964 00:41:03,740 --> 00:41:05,710  [Hastings] He comes back  and he is a pro athlete. 965 00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:07,540  I mean, he's got  a pro athlete body. 966 00:41:07,740 --> 00:41:09,880  He was lean.  He was quicker. 967 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,880     He put some serious time in. 968 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,470  [Abdul-Rauf]     Dan Issel comes in next year. 969 00:41:14,670 --> 00:41:16,880  Before training camp,  Dan sits me down. 970 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,220  He said,      "I just want you to know... 971 00:41:19,420 --> 00:41:21,220  those previous years are  in the past. 972 00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:22,720  It's a new slate. 973 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,310  As far as I'm concerned, 974 00:41:24,510 --> 00:41:26,230  you're the guy,  it's yours to lose." 975 00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:28,730  [commentator]   Here is       Jackson for three-- got it! 976 00:41:28,930 --> 00:41:30,560  [crowd cheering] 977 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:31,900  [Abdul-Rauf] This is  where I wanted to be, 978 00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:33,570  and this is where 979 00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:35,400     I plan on being for a while, 980 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,610  and just, uh...  enhancing the team 981 00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:39,940  as much as possible,  and myself. 982 00:41:40,610 --> 00:41:42,950      [Ice Cube] Who is this dude  torching the Lakers? 983 00:41:43,150 --> 00:41:46,040  Like, who is this dude  that can't miss? 984 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,420  [commentator]       Jackson for the three-- yes! 985 00:41:48,620 --> 00:41:49,920 {\an8}  It's not just the shot, 986 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,210 {\an8}  it's the dribble skills,  the handles, 987 00:41:54,670 --> 00:41:56,420 {\an8}  The all-around game. 988 00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:00,050 {\an8}  Chris went out,      got himself in great shape. 989 00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:01,890 {\an8}  Lost about 23 pounds. 990 00:42:02,090 --> 00:42:03,260  And he has been terrific 991 00:42:03,460 --> 00:42:05,430  from the first day  of training camp. 992 00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:07,850  He's one of the best    free throw shooters in history. 993 00:42:08,050 --> 00:42:09,560  Dan Issel puts him  in the starting lineup, 994 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,060  and he just seemed  to have gotten it. 995 00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:14,270  There was a time  where I felt like 996 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,780  he had a chance to be     the best guard in the league. 997 00:42:16,980 --> 00:42:18,280  Between the legs,  behind the back, 998 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,530  zoom-zoom-zoom-zoom-zoom. 999 00:42:20,730 --> 00:42:23,280  Pump fake it,  everybody flying by. 1000 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,120  [commentator]   ...Jackson, here he is! 1001 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,370   For three and the game! 1002 00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:29,870  [crowd roaring] 1003 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,290  [commentator]   What a way to go! 1004 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,300    [Abdul-Rauf] That's when I had    the 19-point-something a game. 1005 00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:41,510  And then I got  Most Improved in the NBA. 1006 00:42:41,710 --> 00:42:43,850  If it wasn't for Allah 1007 00:42:44,050 --> 00:42:47,140  and to have gone through      what I have gone through... 1008 00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:49,440  and to be touched by Him. 1009 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,440  I mean, I literally  would be out the NBA. 1010 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,270     [Krieger] Issel with his arm  around Chris Jackson 1011 00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:58,270     became a-- sort of an iconic  picture from that year. 1012 00:43:02,110 --> 00:43:04,400  [soft chatter] 1013 00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:07,200  [knocking on door] 1014 00:43:09,740 --> 00:43:11,170  Welcome home, Mama. 1015 00:43:11,370 --> 00:43:13,670     [delighted screams, laughter] 1016 00:43:13,870 --> 00:43:15,620  [applause] 1017 00:43:16,620 --> 00:43:19,170  This definitely was  a dream for me. 1018 00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:21,800  Growing up, this was  one of the first things 1019 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,510  I wanted to accomplish,  was get my mom a new home 1020 00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:26,760  and to where      she could say, "It's mine." 1021 00:43:28,930 --> 00:43:31,270  I can feel it  like it was yesterday. 1022 00:43:31,470 --> 00:43:33,020  I was showing her  all around the house, 1023 00:43:33,220 --> 00:43:35,110  and... you know, 1024 00:43:35,310 --> 00:43:37,020  furniture  and how things were 1025 00:43:37,220 --> 00:43:40,110  and... when it was over, 1026 00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:42,030  you know,  I walked outside. 1027 00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:43,940  And I told her  I loved her. 1028 00:43:45,150 --> 00:43:47,370  And I thanked her 1029 00:43:47,570 --> 00:43:49,040  for all the things 1030 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,500  that she's done for us. 1031 00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:54,040  And on my way back, 1032 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:55,670  I literally told myself, 1033 00:43:55,870 --> 00:43:57,790  "If I died right now... 1034 00:43:59,670 --> 00:44:01,130  I'm satisfied." 1035 00:44:05,170 --> 00:44:08,350  And at that point,    so many things were happening. 1036 00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:10,270  I had already  become a Muslim. 1037 00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:11,980  And I remember being  in the masjid, 1038 00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:14,390  and I heard the imam say,  "If you have the means, 1039 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,060  you must preparations 1040 00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:18,650  to go to hajj.  To Mecca." 1041 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,570 {\an8}  It was an experience  of a lifetime for me. 1042 00:44:23,770 --> 00:44:25,200 {\an8}  When I got back,  I remember 1043 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,570 {\an8}  going into the office  of the imam. 1044 00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:29,820 {\an8}  They said, "Well,  have you chosen a name?" 1045 00:44:30,990 --> 00:44:32,410  I said, "No." 1046 00:44:32,610 --> 00:44:34,410  I said, "I only know  a few names." 1047 00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:37,330     You know, the Muhammad Ali's,  Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's. 1048 00:44:37,530 --> 00:44:40,000  And they said,  "Mahmoud is a good name." 1049 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,590  And the other guy said,  I think, "I heard 1050 00:44:41,790 --> 00:44:43,210      Abdul-Rauf" is a good name. 1051 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,170  Mahmoud is      "elegant and praiseworthy." 1052 00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:50,930  And Abdul-Rauf, 1053 00:44:51,130 --> 00:44:53,140      Abdul is "the servant of," 1054 00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:55,140  al-Rauf,  "the most kind." 1055 00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:57,850 {\an8}   And so they started calling me  Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. 1056 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,360 {\an8}  [commentator]   6'1" guard   from Louisiana State, 1057 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,860 {\an8}   #3, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. 1058 00:45:06,610 --> 00:45:08,570 {\an8}  And that was      a big story also, you know? 1059 00:45:08,770 --> 00:45:09,990  "What do you mean,  changes his name?" 1060 00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:11,450  People in the early '90s 1061 00:45:11,650 --> 00:45:13,370     didn't understand that stuff. 1062 00:45:13,570 --> 00:45:15,290  [Shaq] My thing was,  "Hey, man, your mama 1063 00:45:15,490 --> 00:45:17,170  named you Chris,  I'm calling you Chris." 1064 00:45:17,370 --> 00:45:19,670    Like, what's up, Chris Jackson?  "Mahmoud, my brother," 1065 00:45:19,870 --> 00:45:21,460  and he was serious,  so after that, 1066 00:45:21,660 --> 00:45:23,250  I would never call him  Chris again. 1067 00:45:25,380 --> 00:45:26,800  [Abdul-Rauf]      To many African-Americans, 1068 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,640     our names are not our names. 1069 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,260  They have a legacy  that comes from slavery. 1070 00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:34,930  When you deny a person 1071 00:45:35,130 --> 00:45:37,230  just the common decency  to respect the fact 1072 00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:39,310  that they're calling      themselves by another name, 1073 00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:41,940  to us, is very offensive. 1074 00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:43,820  You know,  once he became a Muslim, 1075 00:45:44,020 --> 00:45:45,740  it was like,  "Oh, he's a terrorist!" 1076 00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:47,990  You know,  that's the go-to move. 1077 00:45:48,190 --> 00:45:50,160  [Bennett]    They didn't take to it at all. 1078 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,410      Some people was, you know,  still calling him Chris 1079 00:45:52,610 --> 00:45:54,620  just to piss him off. 1080 00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:56,540  [Rose]  In the United States of America, 1081 00:45:56,740 --> 00:45:58,790  people take that  way too personal. 1082 00:45:58,990 --> 00:46:01,380  This is my body,  my being, my temple. 1083 00:46:01,580 --> 00:46:03,880  My name.  My religion. 1084 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,800  If I choose to change it  from Cassius Clay 1085 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,970  to Muhammad Ali,      it gets treated different. 1086 00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:11,890  If I change it  from Lew Alcindor 1087 00:46:12,090 --> 00:46:15,140  to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,      he gets treated different. 1088 00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:19,310  [Mahershala] I've always been  quietly fascinated 1089 00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:22,400  by people making  huge life changes. 1090 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,690  Like, you know,  I'mma put down this thing 1091 00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:26,230  that makes me excellent, 1092 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,110  and I'm actually going  to, like... 1093 00:46:29,310 --> 00:46:32,990  spend the bulk of my time  in service to God. 1094 00:46:35,490 --> 00:46:37,330      [Abdul-Rauf] The transition  that I was going through, 1095 00:46:37,530 --> 00:46:40,210  I mean, I was wearing  shalwar kameezes 1096 00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:41,880  with combat boots, 1097 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,540  kufi hat,  miswak in my mouth, 1098 00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:46,800    thinking those cultural things 1099 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,220      makes you more of a Muslim, 1100 00:46:48,420 --> 00:46:49,630  'cause I was going  through changes. 1101 00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:53,010  [Shaheed Ali] I think  with Mahmoud, he took 1102 00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:54,850      some of the traditional... 1103 00:46:55,050 --> 00:46:56,390  values of Islam, 1104 00:46:56,590 --> 00:46:58,550      and it kinda rubbed people  the wrong way. 1105 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,400  [Miller] I wanna say  it was at a Gulfport High 1106 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,570  basketball game,  and Mahmoud came back. 1107 00:47:06,770 --> 00:47:09,280  My mother was here,     and I know Ms. Lil was here. 1108 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,450  They went to hug him. 1109 00:47:11,650 --> 00:47:15,080     And he stopped them, he said,    "I'm sorry, I can't touch you." 1110 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,490  Hoo, that really stirred  some things up. 1111 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,250  [Shaheed]  In the Muslim culture, 1112 00:47:22,450 --> 00:47:23,880      moreso in the Middle East, 1113 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,380    and in certain parts of Africa, 1114 00:47:25,580 --> 00:47:27,210  you're not supposed  to touch a woman 1115 00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:30,260  that's not your wife  or close family member. 1116 00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:32,470  Because of a lot  of the sexual desires 1117 00:47:32,670 --> 00:47:34,340      in the window of the soul,  you should just 1118 00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:36,720  try to refrain,  stay away from that. 1119 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,270  That's more tradition 1120 00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:40,270  and not really  part of the religion. 1121 00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:42,390  Even the Christians  and the Jews 1122 00:47:42,590 --> 00:47:45,610      in that part of the world,  they adopt that social practice. 1123 00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:47,860  When Mahmoud first  come into Islam, 1124 00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:50,070     there was so much information  coming to him, 1125 00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:52,690  that a lot of stuff,  he had to evolve from. 1126 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,910  [Miller]      Ms. Lil took him to Houston 1127 00:47:56,110 --> 00:47:58,540  and cared for him,      and how he can't touch her? 1128 00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:00,370  That got around, 1129 00:48:00,570 --> 00:48:03,750    and that's when a lot of people  turned on him. 1130 00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:05,710      [reporter]   Jackson is aware   his conversation has 1131 00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:08,340   caused hard feelings       among some hometown friends 1132 00:48:08,540 --> 00:48:11,510       in Mississippi, but he says   that's not important. 1133 00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:13,970  I'm just trying  to live my best for Allah 1134 00:48:14,170 --> 00:48:16,090      and, uh, do the best I can. 1135 00:48:16,290 --> 00:48:18,010  And I can't worry  about material things 1136 00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:19,890  or what people say  or think about me. 1137 00:48:20,090 --> 00:48:21,550  I'm living for God. 1138 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,600     I guess that type of behavior 1139 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,900  is not normal  with NBA athletes. 1140 00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:30,520  Used to us going out,  gambling. 1141 00:48:31,110 --> 00:48:33,320    I'm just trying to learn, man,  I'm trying to be a part 1142 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:34,900  of something bigger. 1143 00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:40,490  You're obligated to pray,      as a Muslim, five prayers. 1144 00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:45,170  And a Muslim's life is  arranged around... 1145 00:48:45,370 --> 00:48:47,290  not your work,      not all of that, it's like, 1146 00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:50,340      okay, prayer supposed to be  coming in at this time. 1147 00:48:50,540 --> 00:48:52,010  Where am I gonna be? 1148 00:48:52,210 --> 00:48:53,420  'Cause I wanna make sure 1149 00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:55,090  I'm conscientious  of those times. 1150 00:48:56,550 --> 00:48:58,510  There's fasting.  Voluntary fasting. 1151 00:48:58,710 --> 00:49:00,760  Not just doing  a month of Ramadan. 1152 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,020  Also, you have  the Tahajjud prayer, 1153 00:49:03,220 --> 00:49:05,310  the night prayer,      where you break your sleep. 1154 00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:08,270      It's-- none of it is stuff  that you publicize. 1155 00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:11,100  So, all of those things  we try to do. 1156 00:49:13,110 --> 00:49:16,200  I'll never forget,    one time I came into your room, 1157 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,820  where clearly  you was trying to pray. 1158 00:49:18,020 --> 00:49:19,070  -You was trying to do...  -[laughing] 1159 00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:20,700  I'm knocking  all on the door. 1160 00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:22,240      I didn't really understand, 1161 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,620  and you was like,  "Man, you know what? 1162 00:49:24,820 --> 00:49:27,170  -Come on in, man."  -[laughing] 1163 00:49:27,370 --> 00:49:29,840     [Hastings] I remember he had  his prayer rug with him, 1164 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,460  go out, disappear,  boom-boom-boom. 1165 00:49:32,660 --> 00:49:35,090      Then he would come out and,  you know, drop 30 on 'em. 1166 00:49:35,290 --> 00:49:38,180  [commentator]   Mahmoud from way downtown! 1167 00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:40,100   That is a triple. 1168 00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:42,140  [Rose] I got a chance     to play with him as a rookie, 1169 00:49:42,340 --> 00:49:44,470  and he was  the opposite of myself. 1170 00:49:44,670 --> 00:49:47,230  -[crowd roaring]  -[whistle blowing] 1171 00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:49,100 {\an8}  I was the member  of the Fab Five. 1172 00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:51,360 {\an8}  I was loud, I was brash. 1173 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,070 {\an8}  He was quiet.  He was subdued. 1174 00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:56,150 {\an8}  And he was meticulous. 1175 00:49:57,150 --> 00:49:58,740  He was crazy competitive. 1176 00:49:58,940 --> 00:50:00,660  And he wanted to go  at John Stockton 1177 00:50:00,860 --> 00:50:03,240 {\an8}  and Karl Malone,  because John Stockton 1178 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,580 {\an8}  broke the assist record. 1179 00:50:04,780 --> 00:50:06,160 {\an8}  [crowd roaring] 1180 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,750 {\an8}  [commentator]   Stockton with the ball-- 1181 00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:09,540   and it's taken away   by Abdul-Rauf. 1182 00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:11,040   They'll never catch him.   All the way for a layup. 1183 00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:12,880   Score! Rauf... 1184 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,670     As an athlete, you try to be 1185 00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:16,920  in those zones as much as  humanly possible. 1186 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,670  And that was  definitely one of 'em. 1187 00:50:21,220 --> 00:50:22,760 {\an8}  [commentator]   Tonight, McNichols Arena 1188 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,930 {\an8}   in the Mile-High City   is jam-packed 1189 00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:27,310 {\an8}   to see the NBA's   number one roadshow, 1190 00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:30,480 {\an8}   the Chicago Bulls,       take on the Denver Nuggets. 1191 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,060   You know about   the Bulls' 41-3 record. 1192 00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:35,780   The Nuggets, meanwhile,   struggling, 18-26. 1193 00:50:35,980 --> 00:50:39,070  But they are looking to step up   to the best in the NBA. 1194 00:50:40,570 --> 00:50:42,320      [Rose] When you're playing  against the Bulls, 1195 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:43,780      it's lights-camera-action. 1196 00:50:43,980 --> 00:50:45,160  But they ain't  coming to watch you. 1197 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,580  They coming to watch Mike 1198 00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:49,120  and Scottie  and Dennis Rodman. 1199 00:50:50,410 --> 00:50:53,130  [commentator]   And the tap   controlled by the Nuggets. 1200 00:50:53,330 --> 00:50:55,800      Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf sets it up. 1201 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,840  My focus was,  I'm gonna try to, like, 1202 00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,630  even moreso  annihilate you early. 1203 00:50:59,830 --> 00:51:01,590  ["Charge" horns blaring] 1204 00:51:01,790 --> 00:51:04,300      Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf-- on three! 1205 00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:07,470  Mahmoud got     this little look on his face. 1206 00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:10,730  I was like...      Mahmoud taking it personal? 1207 00:51:10,930 --> 00:51:12,650    And they didn't have a chance. 1208 00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:14,610  [commentator]   ...matchup       for Mahmoud, Kerr's got him. 1209 00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:16,820  [crowd roaring] 1210 00:51:17,020 --> 00:51:18,610  [Kerr] I remember  I had no chance 1211 00:51:18,810 --> 00:51:20,780  against Mahmoud.  No chance. 1212 00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:23,070  [commentator]   Mahmoud, 20-footer. 1213 00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:24,990 {\an8}  -[crowd roaring]  -[Kerr] He was 1214 00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:28,240 {\an8}   one of the most difficult guys  in the league to guard. 1215 00:51:28,450 --> 00:51:30,210 {\an8}  [commentator]      Mahmoud shaking Kerr-- three! 1216 00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:31,790 {\an8}  [crowd roaring] 1217 00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:34,210  I just remember,  over and over again, 1218 00:51:34,410 --> 00:51:36,670  one dribble,  two dribble pull ups. 1219 00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:38,920  Rising up,     and he was making everything. 1220 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,630  [commentator]   The Bulls trail by five. 1221 00:51:41,830 --> 00:51:43,300   Under four minutes to go. 1222 00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:45,140   Abdul-Rauf... 1223 00:51:45,340 --> 00:51:46,810   what a shot. 1224 00:51:47,010 --> 00:51:49,350 {\an8}  [commentator 2]  He came back there. He's got 30. 1225 00:51:49,550 --> 00:51:51,350 {\an8}  [commentator]  What do they say here in Denver? 1226 00:51:51,550 --> 00:51:53,390 {\an8}   Rauf, there it is. 1227 00:51:54,980 --> 00:51:56,400 {\an8}     We were young and talented, 1228 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,730 {\an8}  and we ended up breaking  that winning streak. 1229 00:51:58,930 --> 00:52:00,440 {\an8}  [commentator]   Mahmoud over Harper-- 1230 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,280 {\an8}   short-- Mutombo is there! 1231 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,030   Mahmoud to follow-- yes! 1232 00:52:05,230 --> 00:52:07,780  [applause] 1233 00:52:11,330 --> 00:52:12,960   The Denver Nuggets... 1234 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,630   have ended   the Chicago Bulls' 1235 00:52:15,830 --> 00:52:18,960   club record   18-game winning streak. 1236 00:52:20,250 --> 00:52:22,130  [Abdul-Rauf] Even though  it was a great year, 1237 00:52:22,330 --> 00:52:25,140  it's like, okay,  grateful, it's real, 1238 00:52:25,340 --> 00:52:27,220  I'm excited. 1239 00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:30,640  You start thinking, man,  I gotta be ready. 1240 00:52:31,260 --> 00:52:33,720     This is too good to be true--     something gonna happen to me. 1241 00:52:36,350 --> 00:52:37,900  [voice]   Hey, this Mahmoud thing 1242 00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:39,900   has really touched off   some nerves. 1243 00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:41,900  [voice 2]   I'm going      to the game tonight, and I... 1244 00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:43,360   well, I hope   when he's introduced, 1245 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,910   everybody boos   as loud as I do. 1246 00:52:46,110 --> 00:52:48,030      My nickname was the Hitman. 1247 00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:49,820  [interviewer]     How'd you get that nickname? 1248 00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:52,950 {\an8}  Radio stations are      in business for one reason 1249 00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:55,040 {\an8}  and one reason alone,  and that's to make money, 1250 00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:57,380 {\an8}  and that's what they do,  and, you know, 1251 00:52:57,580 --> 00:52:59,290 {\an8}  if you're gonna be  in drive time radio, 1252 00:52:59,490 --> 00:53:01,250  you have to move  the needle 1253 00:53:01,450 --> 00:53:03,130      in order to keep your job. 1254 00:53:03,330 --> 00:53:05,340     Oh, say can... 1255 00:53:05,540 --> 00:53:07,470  Nuggets bench, of course,  is right next to where 1256 00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:09,850  we sit,  and I noticed 1257 00:53:10,050 --> 00:53:12,890     that Mahmoud was not standing  for the national anthem. 1258 00:53:13,090 --> 00:53:16,230     And I assumed everybody else  noticed that too. 1259 00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:18,230      Go back to our forefathers. 1260 00:53:18,430 --> 00:53:21,730  My grandfather fought    on the battlefields of France. 1261 00:53:21,930 --> 00:53:24,280  My father served on a B24 1262 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,610  during World War II. 1263 00:53:26,810 --> 00:53:28,740  That's what the anthem  stands for and the flag, 1264 00:53:28,940 --> 00:53:31,030  and that's      what it stands for, for me. 1265 00:53:31,230 --> 00:53:33,040  I remember the next day,      of course, I brought it up 1266 00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:34,620  on the air; no one had  written about it. 1267 00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:36,580      No one had talked about it. 1268 00:53:36,780 --> 00:53:38,290  And we brought it up, 1269 00:53:38,490 --> 00:53:40,290  and of course that caused 1270 00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:42,420  the firestorm  that you can imagine. 1271 00:53:42,620 --> 00:53:44,540  Mahmoud, can you  just answer one question? 1272 00:53:46,210 --> 00:53:47,840  [Dan Rather] The National  Basketball Association 1273 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,970  is in a standoff tonight  with a highly-paid player 1274 00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:53,970  who refuses to stand  for the national anthem. 1275 00:53:54,170 --> 00:53:55,600  [crowd booing] 1276 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,270  [reporter]   Expect Rauf's reception 1277 00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:58,690   to be rather hostile. 1278 00:53:58,890 --> 00:54:00,480  [booing] 1279 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,520      [Abdul-Rauf] Hold on, stop,  go back, before that, 1280 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,610      because this is important. 1281 00:54:05,980 --> 00:54:08,070     Oh, say 1282 00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:11,160     Can you see 1283 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,030  [Abdul-Rauf] I was      not standing for the anthem 1284 00:54:13,230 --> 00:54:16,080  probably, give or take... 1285 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,170  four to six months  before it was actually 1286 00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:21,000  made public. 1287 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,500  It started with     all the books I was reading. 1288 00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:25,170  You know,  the Noam Chomsky's. 1289 00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:27,630  The Gore Vidal's.  The Howard Zinn's. 1290 00:54:27,830 --> 00:54:31,140  All of these books,  and they're talking about 1291 00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:33,140  this sense      of American exceptionalism 1292 00:54:33,340 --> 00:54:34,680  and American innocence. 1293 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,270 {\an8}   Like, when America does things, 1294 00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:38,100 {\an8}     they wanna claim innocence. 1295 00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:41,810 {\an8}  You had Rodney King. 1296 00:54:42,010 --> 00:54:44,270 {\an8}  You had the bombing      of the World Trade Center. 1297 00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:45,940 {\an8}  You had the Gulf War. 1298 00:54:46,140 --> 00:54:48,030      Over 90% of its existence, 1299 00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:49,490  from the inception  of this country, 1300 00:54:49,690 --> 00:54:51,200  they've been at war. 1301 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,740  There's always something      going on, in this country. 1302 00:54:53,940 --> 00:54:57,660     I'm coming across information     now that I'm really offended. 1303 00:54:57,860 --> 00:54:59,460    I feel like I've been cheated. 1304 00:54:59,660 --> 00:55:02,750      I feel like the educational  institutions cheated me. 1305 00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:05,460      You know, one of the worst     things you can do to a person 1306 00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:08,550  is deny them  a history of themselves. 1307 00:55:08,750 --> 00:55:11,090    And a knowledge of themselves. 1308 00:55:11,290 --> 00:55:13,640     Now, they are symbols, right? 1309 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,560  They are symbols  that represent a system. 1310 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,350  And we're taught      we don't stand for anything 1311 00:55:20,550 --> 00:55:24,230  but for Allah.  And what Allah has established. 1312 00:55:24,430 --> 00:55:26,690    But am I saying that everything  in America is bad? No. 1313 00:55:26,890 --> 00:55:28,650  There's good that exists,  but wherever the bad is, 1314 00:55:28,850 --> 00:55:30,900  even as a Muslim,  we don't stand for it. 1315 00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:34,070     The ultimate measure of a man 1316 00:55:34,270 --> 00:55:36,740  is not where  he stands in moments-- 1317 00:55:36,940 --> 00:55:39,660  of confident moments  of convenience, 1318 00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:42,540  but where he stands  in moments of challenge 1319 00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:44,580      and moments of controversy. 1320 00:55:44,780 --> 00:55:46,710      I'm processing all of this,  and I'm reading about 1321 00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:48,840  the story of the prophet,  I'm reading about... 1322 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,750  you know, these concepts  of nationalism. 1323 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,760  I gotta do something. 1324 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,430  It may not be    the greatest feat in the world, 1325 00:55:57,630 --> 00:55:59,100  but damn it,  I'm gonna do something. 1326 00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:01,180    Injustice anywhere is a threat 1327 00:56:01,380 --> 00:56:03,600  -to justice everywhere.  -[applause] 1328 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,610  I started by just  keeping this to myself. 1329 00:56:06,810 --> 00:56:09,030  This is my struggle.  I'm just not gonna stand. 1330 00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:11,070    He would just stay in the back. 1331 00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:13,910  That's what he was doing.  Out of the way. 1332 00:56:14,110 --> 00:56:17,030  Minding his own business,  like other players. 1333 00:56:17,230 --> 00:56:19,740    [Hastings] And we blew it off.  Wasn't a big deal. 1334 00:56:19,940 --> 00:56:21,450  Didn't see-- he came in,  he started the game. 1335 00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:24,170  He played fine,  everything was okay. 1336 00:56:24,370 --> 00:56:27,380  The NBA, who notices everything,  never said a word. 1337 00:56:27,580 --> 00:56:28,920     Never saw it, never noticed, 1338 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,590  never brought it  to our attention. 1339 00:56:30,790 --> 00:56:32,300  At that moment,  I don't think 1340 00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:35,590  anybody could've foreseen  what was about to happen. 1341 00:56:35,790 --> 00:56:39,060  Keep the cameras moving,  'cause I'm kinda fast. 1342 00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:41,770  He was a good player.  He was really good. 1343 00:56:41,970 --> 00:56:44,600  I liked him.  But the stance he took, 1344 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,650  people didn't like it.  They were against it. 1345 00:56:47,850 --> 00:56:49,980  Next thing you know,      they're calling talk radio. 1346 00:56:50,180 --> 00:56:53,400  The next thing you know,      television cameras show up. 1347 00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,660  It seemed like there was  a little extra cameramen 1348 00:56:56,860 --> 00:56:58,620  at the shoot around  than normal. 1349 00:56:58,820 --> 00:57:01,120  And so, when it was over,  they rushed in 1350 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,330      and wanted to sit me down. 1351 00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:06,540  At this point, I don't even know  what it's about. 1352 00:57:06,740 --> 00:57:08,880  And I think the first  question was, "So, 1353 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,880  what do you think  about the American flag?" 1354 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:12,550 {\an8}  It's clear in the Quran 1355 00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:14,630 {\an8}    where Islam is the only way, 1356 00:57:14,830 --> 00:57:16,340 {\an8}  and to stand  for one or the other 1357 00:57:16,540 --> 00:57:18,430 {\an8}  is denying the other. 1358 00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:21,310 {\an8}  It's also a symbol  of oppression, 1359 00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:23,220  uh, of tyranny. 1360 00:57:23,420 --> 00:57:25,810  I just don't look  at the Muslim issue. 1361 00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:27,770  I look at  the Caucasian American, 1362 00:57:27,970 --> 00:57:30,320    I look at the African American  being oppressed in this country, 1363 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,480  so, uh... 1364 00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,240      and I don't stand for that. 1365 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,110  I don't criticize those  for standing. 1366 00:57:36,310 --> 00:57:39,700  So, don't criticize me  for-- for sitting. 1367 00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:41,530  To me, I'm like,     that's a balanced statement. 1368 00:57:41,730 --> 00:57:43,700  I'm not saying  that you're all bad. 1369 00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:46,040  But of course,  the media does its job. 1370 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,790     Tyranny, oppression, tyranny,  oppression, tyranny, oppression. 1371 00:57:48,990 --> 00:57:51,290  [reporter]   Abdul-Rauf is opposed   to standing for the flag. 1372 00:57:51,490 --> 00:57:52,630  [reporter 2]   Which he called a symbol 1373 00:57:52,830 --> 00:57:54,210   of oppression, of tyranny. 1374 00:57:54,410 --> 00:57:55,720  [reporter 3]   Oppression and tyranny... 1375 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,340  [overlapping voices] 1376 00:58:04,090 --> 00:58:06,140  [static crackling] 1377 00:58:06,340 --> 00:58:08,440 {\an8}  The media, I think,  a lot of times 1378 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,520 {\an8}  is not so much biased  as it is lazy. 1379 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,400 {\an8}     The Supreme Court even issued 1380 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,490 {\an8}   it's constitutional   to burn the flag. 1381 00:58:15,690 --> 00:58:17,490  [Aldridge] Someone giving  a nuanced explanation 1382 00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:19,990  about the history  of the United States, 1383 00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:21,570  that's not a sound bite. 1384 00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:23,240  [reporter] He claims that  the American Flag 1385 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:24,870      is a symbol of oppression. 1386 00:58:25,070 --> 00:58:26,950  That makes it  a political statement. 1387 00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,170  And so, in a flash, 1388 00:58:29,370 --> 00:58:32,420  he's a very controversial figure  on a national level. 1389 00:58:32,620 --> 00:58:34,960     -What's wrong with that guy?    -He signed on the dotted line. 1390 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,130    -That's the rules of the game.  -America is the reason 1391 00:58:37,330 --> 00:58:39,010    why he's making the big bucks, 1392 00:58:39,210 --> 00:58:40,840  and I mean,  he should at least respect that. 1393 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,140  I think he should respect  the United States. 1394 00:58:43,340 --> 00:58:46,770    Ask Mahmoud if he'd rather not     get paid in American dollars. 1395 00:58:46,970 --> 00:58:48,730  I think not standing  for the national anthem 1396 00:58:48,930 --> 00:58:50,600  is disrespectful to the country 1397 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,520   and those who have       given us the right to stand. 1398 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,070  -[booming]    -At that moment, you just knew 1399 00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:58,900  his life would not  be the same, 1400 00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:02,370  because of the way it was      received by Middle America. 1401 00:59:02,570 --> 00:59:04,830  The NBA had to step in.  What are they going to do 1402 00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:07,290  when a player doesn't  stand for the anthem? 1403 00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:09,790  I'm coming to the gym,  we're playing Orlando. 1404 00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:11,330  I walk in the gym, 1405 00:59:11,530 --> 00:59:13,000  I'm getting ready  to put my stuff down. 1406 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,290  Jim Gillen says, "Hey,  Bernie wants to see you." 1407 00:59:16,580 --> 00:59:19,760  Administratively,  we had to clean it up, 1408 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,630  because it impacted the Nuggets, 1409 00:59:21,830 --> 00:59:24,970  it impacted the National  Basketball Association, 1410 00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:27,060  and it was a big scene. 1411 00:59:27,260 --> 00:59:29,680     And Bernie said, "People from      the NBA wanna talk to you." 1412 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,980  I've never talked  to David Stern. Not once. 1413 00:59:33,180 --> 00:59:34,610  But I'm assuming  that he probably put 1414 00:59:34,810 --> 00:59:37,320  his closest people  on the phone, 1415 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,190  and they began  to talk to me. 1416 00:59:39,390 --> 00:59:40,780    Trying to convince me to stand. 1417 00:59:40,980 --> 00:59:42,700  These are  the people who pay you. 1418 00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:45,910  They've got these rules,      so we have to adhere to it. 1419 00:59:46,110 --> 00:59:49,540  I said, "I'm not standing      so do what you have to do." 1420 00:59:49,740 --> 00:59:51,040  You have the ability, 1421 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,500  if you can't do it,  walk away. 1422 00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:55,670  Got freedom of choice  to do that. 1423 00:59:55,870 --> 00:59:57,340  So I'm looking  at Bernie, I say, 1424 00:59:57,540 --> 00:59:59,800  "Well, look,  can I go get dressed?" 1425 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,260  He says, "No,"  I say, "What do you..." 1426 01:00:02,460 --> 01:00:04,010  "You--"  I said, "Now?!" 1427 01:00:04,210 --> 01:00:06,510  I'm thinking you gotta go  through legislation. 1428 01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:08,140  I said, "Well,  can I put my clothes on 1429 01:00:08,340 --> 01:00:10,020  and go out  and support the team?" 1430 01:00:10,220 --> 01:00:11,980     He said, "No, they don't even      want you on the premises." 1431 01:00:12,180 --> 01:00:13,980      So I got up and went down,     got my stuff, they were like, 1432 01:00:14,180 --> 01:00:16,440  "What's up?" I said,  "Y'all have a good game." 1433 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,860  Mahmoud, can we just  ask you one question? 1434 01:00:20,060 --> 01:00:22,780  Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf  didn't play last night, 1435 01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:24,660  and unless  he changes his stance, 1436 01:00:24,860 --> 01:00:26,370  he won't be playing  for a while. 1437 01:00:26,570 --> 01:00:28,870  He is suspended  indefinitely by the NBA 1438 01:00:29,070 --> 01:00:31,580  for refusing to stand      during the national anthem. 1439 01:00:31,780 --> 01:00:33,210  Nuggets president  and head coach 1440 01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:34,920     Bernie Bickerstaff was asked 1441 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,710  about the controversy,      but he refused to comment. 1442 01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:41,210      There was no social media.  There wasn't cell phones. 1443 01:00:41,410 --> 01:00:42,880    So, I had an answering machine  in the office. 1444 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,010  Within an hour,  it was maxed out. 1445 01:00:45,210 --> 01:00:48,100     From   The Oprah Winfrey Show,  Jesse Jackson's office, 1446 01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:49,890  from Brother Farrakhan's office. 1447 01:00:50,090 --> 01:00:51,560  On and on,  the calls were coming 1448 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,890      from every area of society. 1449 01:00:54,090 --> 01:00:56,100     The major news outlets wanted  to talk to him. 1450 01:00:56,300 --> 01:00:58,400     They wanted players' opinions  of their teammate. 1451 01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,730  How tough has it been  for him, Jalen? 1452 01:01:00,930 --> 01:01:03,490     Well, I don't know, he seemed  like he's been handling it well. 1453 01:01:03,690 --> 01:01:05,490  I mean, you know,    Mahmoud's the kind of guy that 1454 01:01:05,690 --> 01:01:07,240      he would only do something      if he thought it was right 1455 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,240  so he doesn't feel    that he's done anything wrong. 1456 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,080  We were confused because     this is, like, unprecedented. 1457 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,870      You could get suspended for  doing something peaceful? 1458 01:01:16,070 --> 01:01:17,420  I don't think it's fair. 1459 01:01:17,620 --> 01:01:18,920  I think  a lot of guys will... 1460 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,590 {\an8}  won't have  much to say about it, 1461 01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:22,170 {\an8}  because they're afraid  of the repercussions. 1462 01:01:22,370 --> 01:01:24,090 {\an8}  You know, in our country,  freedom of speech 1463 01:01:24,290 --> 01:01:26,430 {\an8}     has been taken way too far  with everything, 1464 01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:29,050     but you know, I... would like  to hear his side of that. 1465 01:01:29,250 --> 01:01:31,680 {\an8}     I respect him as a man for     making, you know what I mean, 1466 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,390 {\an8}   stand up for what he believes,  you know what I mean, 1467 01:01:33,590 --> 01:01:35,940 {\an8}  I don't think    he should be suspended for it. 1468 01:01:36,140 --> 01:01:37,770 {\an8}  You're gonna get paid     four or five million dollars 1469 01:01:37,970 --> 01:01:39,900  just to play a game,  don't sit there 1470 01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:42,610  and say you're not gonna  stand up for, what, two minutes. 1471 01:01:42,810 --> 01:01:45,320  That's, uh,  Mahmoud, you know. 1472 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,660  And people have  different beliefs, 1473 01:01:47,860 --> 01:01:49,950  and right now,  he has different beliefs. 1474 01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:52,490  You know,      people should respect that. 1475 01:01:52,690 --> 01:01:55,120  I wanted to just...  reach out to him 1476 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,290  and say, "Hey, man,  half my family is Muslim. 1477 01:01:58,490 --> 01:02:00,590  I understand."    But when you do certain things 1478 01:02:00,790 --> 01:02:03,500  at certain moments,  you cannot allow people 1479 01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:05,630  to intervene with     what they think you're doing. 1480 01:02:05,830 --> 01:02:07,380     The message has to be clear. 1481 01:02:07,580 --> 01:02:08,970      I hate to say it like this,  sometimes you have 1482 01:02:09,170 --> 01:02:12,100  to play the game.     It's all about corporations. 1483 01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:14,970      And the corporate mentality  is very strict. 1484 01:02:15,170 --> 01:02:17,810  The league says they just    want him to play by its rules, 1485 01:02:18,010 --> 01:02:21,480      which means Abdul-Rauf will     remain suspended without pay, 1486 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,110  until he stands. 1487 01:02:23,310 --> 01:02:24,730    I got a letter from the league 1488 01:02:24,930 --> 01:02:26,650  that he violated 1489 01:02:26,850 --> 01:02:29,070      the NBA Operations Manual, 1490 01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:31,910  which is not even      negotiated with the union. 1491 01:02:32,110 --> 01:02:34,660      So that's why the union was  solidly behind Mahmoud, 1492 01:02:34,860 --> 01:02:38,460     and I knew, if Mahmoud wanted  to play, he would play. 1493 01:02:38,660 --> 01:02:40,710  Here's somebody      that's so very disciplined 1494 01:02:40,910 --> 01:02:44,840    about his life, about his game,  about his religion, 1495 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,510  Mahmoud doesn't  see himself as a martyr 1496 01:02:47,710 --> 01:02:49,680  or, like,  doing anything special. 1497 01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,510  He's like, "This is  the right thing to do." 1498 01:02:51,710 --> 01:02:52,970  [reporter]   Late this afternoon, 1499 01:02:53,170 --> 01:02:54,510   Abdul-Rauf's agent read 1500 01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:56,180   a statement   from his client. 1501 01:02:56,380 --> 01:02:58,810  "My intentions were not,  in any way, 1502 01:02:59,010 --> 01:03:01,020  to be disrespectful  to those who regard 1503 01:03:01,220 --> 01:03:04,730  the national anthem  as a sacred ceremony." 1504 01:03:04,930 --> 01:03:06,610  My concern was how he was 1505 01:03:06,810 --> 01:03:08,570 {\an8}   going to be socially persecuted 1506 01:03:08,770 --> 01:03:11,200  and how the media was  going to come at him. 1507 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,030      "I am an African-American, 1508 01:03:13,230 --> 01:03:15,330  a citizen  of this country, 1509 01:03:15,530 --> 01:03:17,830  and one who respects  freedom of speech 1510 01:03:18,030 --> 01:03:20,040  and freedom  of expression." 1511 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,630      Shareef went on national TV 1512 01:03:23,830 --> 01:03:26,130  and read a statement,  and it said underneath-- 1513 01:03:26,330 --> 01:03:28,630  it said "Shareef Nasir, 1514 01:03:28,830 --> 01:03:31,510     Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf's agent." 1515 01:03:31,710 --> 01:03:34,720    Toward the end of that season,  I was terminated. 1516 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,300  Shareef became his agent. 1517 01:03:38,010 --> 01:03:39,980  [April Dotson]  Sharif and Mahmoud had 1518 01:03:40,180 --> 01:03:41,890  a friendship that turned 1519 01:03:42,090 --> 01:03:46,650 {\an8}    from a best friend situation  to a business situation. 1520 01:03:48,060 --> 01:03:49,690 {\an8} And you look at life,  you look at society, 1521 01:03:49,890 --> 01:03:51,700 {\an8} and you look  at the relationships 1522 01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:54,740  {\an8} with the Black world  and the white world. 1523 01:03:54,940 --> 01:03:56,740  The many barriers  that are created. 1524 01:03:56,940 --> 01:03:58,620      You know, we're in a league  where you got so many 1525 01:03:58,820 --> 01:04:00,580     African-Americans that play,  but you have very little 1526 01:04:00,780 --> 01:04:02,750  African-American coaches;  you have very little 1527 01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:05,380  African-American  trainers, right? 1528 01:04:05,580 --> 01:04:08,460  You also have a field  where there's not a lot 1529 01:04:08,660 --> 01:04:10,420      of African-American agents. 1530 01:04:10,620 --> 01:04:14,180      And I'm like, well, why not     try to bring somebody else up 1531 01:04:14,380 --> 01:04:16,680  that needed a chance?  That looks like me. 1532 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,390      Give them that opportunity. 1533 01:04:18,590 --> 01:04:20,100  I don't know  when you want me to open 1534 01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:22,600  this can of worms,  but he was being 1535 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,730  pushed and pulled  his whole life. 1536 01:04:25,930 --> 01:04:28,770  Either by Tourette's,  or by coaches, 1537 01:04:28,980 --> 01:04:31,530  or now by the religion. 1538 01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:33,280  [reporter]   Hakeem Olajuwon, 1539 01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,110   a Muslim and NBA star, 1540 01:04:35,310 --> 01:04:37,950   doesn't understand       Abdul-Rauf's interpretation 1541 01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:39,790   of Islamic scripture. 1542 01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:41,700  Islamic teachings 1543 01:04:41,900 --> 01:04:43,870  {\an8}require every Muslim 1544 01:04:44,070 --> 01:04:47,630  {\an8}to obey  and respect the law 1545 01:04:47,830 --> 01:04:49,800  {\an8}of the countries  they live in. 1546 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,800  {\an8}There's nothing in Islam 1547 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,760  {\an8}against standing 1548 01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,510  {\an8}for a national anthem  of any country, 1549 01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:59,350  {\an8}whether you agree    or disagree with that country. 1550 01:04:59,550 --> 01:05:01,430      So we disagree with Mahmoud 1551 01:05:01,630 --> 01:05:03,270  for not standing on that. 1552 01:05:03,470 --> 01:05:06,400  I don't agree.  I don't believe in... 1553 01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,190  if... if you're in Rome,  do as the Romans do. 1554 01:05:09,390 --> 01:05:11,570    My first allegiance is to God, 1555 01:05:11,770 --> 01:05:13,740  irrespective  of wherever I'm at. 1556 01:05:13,940 --> 01:05:15,200  Not every law is just. 1557 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,160  At one point,  slavery was the law. 1558 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,280  At one point,  segregation was a law, 1559 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:20,790  just because it's a law 1560 01:05:20,990 --> 01:05:22,580  doesn't mean  it should be honored. 1561 01:05:22,780 --> 01:05:25,210  I think the thing      that hurt Mahmoud most were 1562 01:05:25,410 --> 01:05:26,830  the people that knew him, 1563 01:05:27,030 --> 01:05:29,290  how they kind of turned  their back on him 1564 01:05:29,490 --> 01:05:30,920    and how they didn't understand 1565 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,840  and didn't accept  his position. 1566 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,470  [crowd booing] 1567 01:05:36,670 --> 01:05:38,970  [Mahershala] I remember  being nervous for him. 1568 01:05:39,170 --> 01:05:41,760  I got really worried  for his career, 1569 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,100  and there wasn't really  anyone else on board. 1570 01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:46,850  He seemed like     he was clearly on an island, 1571 01:05:47,050 --> 01:05:50,150  and I don't think  anyone felt like 1572 01:05:50,350 --> 01:05:52,980  that was necessarily  gonna end well. 1573 01:05:53,180 --> 01:05:56,200  [Shaq]  National anthem, very sensitive. 1574 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,360  Once they think you're      disrespecting this country, 1575 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,320  they don't wanna have  a conversation. 1576 01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,990     [Nasir] Revoke his contract,  take his money away, 1577 01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:04,500    tell him to go back to Africa. 1578 01:06:04,700 --> 01:06:06,290  That was the talk  that you would hear 1579 01:06:06,490 --> 01:06:07,950  coming out of the media. 1580 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,580  I'm constantly hearing  all of this stuff, 1581 01:06:10,790 --> 01:06:12,670  man, I'm, like, furious. 1582 01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:15,460  One night, I ended up--  I was so angry, 1583 01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:18,630  I started  breaking out in a sweat. 1584 01:06:18,830 --> 01:06:21,100  My stomach was in knots.  My gums started-- 1585 01:06:21,300 --> 01:06:23,640  like, it felt like      somebody was airing 'em up. 1586 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,140  I went to the hospital,  they said, 1587 01:06:26,340 --> 01:06:28,190  "You're having an ulcer."  'Cause I was holding 1588 01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:29,680  so much in! 1589 01:06:31,180 --> 01:06:33,690  I ended up talking      to a guy that's my mentor, 1590 01:06:33,890 --> 01:06:35,650  and he was telling me,  he said, "Listen, 1591 01:06:35,850 --> 01:06:37,570  you can choose  to go forward, 1592 01:06:37,770 --> 01:06:39,660  and you--  and you are just right to do so, 1593 01:06:39,860 --> 01:06:43,240  or you can choose  to take another approach. 1594 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,370  Praying for those  who are oppressed..." 1595 01:06:46,570 --> 01:06:47,830  That made sense, 1596 01:06:48,030 --> 01:06:49,670  but part of me  didn't wanna do it. 1597 01:06:49,870 --> 01:06:51,330  Because I knew,  in the minds of people, 1598 01:06:51,530 --> 01:06:53,420  they'd say,  "Oh, he's compromising." 1599 01:06:53,620 --> 01:06:57,760  The compromise was,  we get his fine back, and he was 1600 01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,430  allowed to stand  and pray silently. 1601 01:07:00,630 --> 01:07:02,470  Am I sorry for it? No. 1602 01:07:02,670 --> 01:07:05,390  Do I feel I'm wrong  for doing what I did? No. 1603 01:07:05,590 --> 01:07:08,480  But in Islam, um... 1604 01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,020  if there's     a better approach to things, 1605 01:07:11,220 --> 01:07:14,570  um, it's-- it's only wise  to take that approach. 1606 01:07:14,770 --> 01:07:17,070  I'll stand,  but I'll offer a prayer 1607 01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:18,900     for those who are suffering. 1608 01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:21,700  [reporter]  The Nuggets hit the road 1609 01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:23,410  with Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. 1610 01:07:23,610 --> 01:07:26,910     The standoff about standing.  The NBA won. 1611 01:07:27,110 --> 01:07:29,330     [reporter 2] The Nuggets are      in Chicago tonight to play 1612 01:07:29,530 --> 01:07:31,370  {\an8}Michael Jordan  and the Chicago Bulls. 1613 01:07:31,570 --> 01:07:33,540   {\an8}  Should be interesting to see  if that Chicago crowd 1614 01:07:33,740 --> 01:07:35,880 {\an8} boos Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. 1615 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,130  {\an8}This is, like, the most     notorious figure in America. 1616 01:07:40,330 --> 01:07:41,970  {\an8}I'm not here to talk.     I'm here to play basketball. 1617 01:07:42,170 --> 01:07:43,550  If you wanna ask me  about basketball, 1618 01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:45,050  I'll talk about  basketball. 1619 01:07:45,250 --> 01:07:47,390  [Krieger]  In Chicago, CNN is there, 1620 01:07:47,590 --> 01:07:48,970  the networks are there, 1621 01:07:49,180 --> 01:07:50,810  this is  the sort of epitome 1622 01:07:51,010 --> 01:07:53,310  of the cable news cycle. 1623 01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:57,610    Bernie Bickerstaff is cornered  by a massive media horde. 1624 01:07:57,810 --> 01:07:59,490  [reporter] How long do you think  before this circus ends? 1625 01:07:59,690 --> 01:08:01,530  Uh, when you guys turn it loose. 1626 01:08:01,730 --> 01:08:03,490  [reporter] Do you think  it's gonna continue and-- 1627 01:08:03,690 --> 01:08:05,450     You have to answer that, when     are you gonna turn it loose? 1628 01:08:05,650 --> 01:08:08,660  It was just volatile,     and everybody wanted to know 1629 01:08:08,860 --> 01:08:10,910  what he was gonna do  from day to day. 1630 01:08:11,110 --> 01:08:13,170  Will he stand?  Will he sit? 1631 01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:16,460    You know, I like all my players     to line up and be attentive. 1632 01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:19,340  I don't necessarily agree  with what he's saying, 1633 01:08:19,540 --> 01:08:22,130  but I respect his... 1634 01:08:22,330 --> 01:08:24,930  freedom to...  to express himself. 1635 01:08:25,130 --> 01:08:26,720  [reporter]     Do you feel focused tonight? 1636 01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,350  Oh, yes, I feel good.  Ready to play. 1637 01:08:29,550 --> 01:08:31,230  I was worried about him. 1638 01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:34,020  Having to hear      about threats on his life, 1639 01:08:34,220 --> 01:08:36,980  and FBI agents having  to sit in the stands. 1640 01:08:37,180 --> 01:08:38,940  -[crowd cheering]      -[announcer]   Good evening, 1641 01:08:39,140 --> 01:08:41,440   {\an8}ladies and gentlemen. 1642 01:08:42,860 --> 01:08:44,740 {\an8} [Abdul-Rauf]  It was a packed house. 1643 01:08:44,940 --> 01:08:46,450 {\an8} For some reason,  it felt like, 1644 01:08:46,650 --> 01:08:48,700 {\an8} did y'all give out  extra tickets? 1645 01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:52,040 {\an8} [crowd booing] 1646 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:53,870  [Sheppard] There was  a lot of hatred there. 1647 01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:56,540  People waving flags. 1648 01:08:56,740 --> 01:08:59,040  They're booing him,  they're yelling things. 1649 01:08:59,250 --> 01:09:00,960  It was ugly. 1650 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,420  [announcer]   Please rise   for the national anthem. 1651 01:09:06,670 --> 01:09:08,550     Oh, say 1652 01:09:08,750 --> 01:09:12,680     Can you see 1653 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,890     By the dawn's 1654 01:09:15,090 --> 01:09:19,440  -   early light...  -[crowd booing] 1655 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,440      [booing overtakes singing] 1656 01:09:25,940 --> 01:09:27,610  [booing continues] 1657 01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:32,370  [Glass]  During the anthem, 1658 01:09:32,570 --> 01:09:34,330  I knew he was nervous. 1659 01:09:34,530 --> 01:09:37,620  And his teammates...  surrounded him. 1660 01:09:37,830 --> 01:09:39,540  And it looked to me  like they were trying 1661 01:09:39,740 --> 01:09:41,790  to protect him  from all of this crap. 1662 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,510  [Ellis] It occurred to me  that, I was like, wow, 1663 01:09:44,710 --> 01:09:47,180  this is real;  I've never, ever 1664 01:09:47,380 --> 01:09:48,890  had a situation 1665 01:09:49,090 --> 01:09:51,720      where a person individually 1666 01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,520  -was being booed.  -[crowd booing] 1667 01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,600     [Abdul-Rauf] This patriotism    and this love for the anthem... 1668 01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,440  while they were  singing the anthem... 1669 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,570  a lot of people booing,  disrespect the anthem. 1670 01:10:02,770 --> 01:10:05,900  -[crowd booing]  -   of the free... 1671 01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:09,780      [booing overtakes singing] 1672 01:10:09,980 --> 01:10:13,540  [booing increases] 1673 01:10:13,740 --> 01:10:14,950  [Kerr] Looking back,  I wish I had 1674 01:10:15,150 --> 01:10:16,790  said something to him. 1675 01:10:16,990 --> 01:10:19,460  It was a time  when athletes didn't 1676 01:10:19,660 --> 01:10:20,960  speak out much. 1677 01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,090  We didn't have this... 1678 01:10:23,290 --> 01:10:25,800  social justice movement  that's going on now. 1679 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,800     You didn't have social media, 1680 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,600  so it was...  really an isolated event 1681 01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,140  that kind of      caught everybody off guard. 1682 01:10:34,340 --> 01:10:36,140  [David]      It was all over the media. 1683 01:10:36,340 --> 01:10:38,190  And deep down inside, 1684 01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:39,770  just said, man, 1685 01:10:39,970 --> 01:10:41,860  I just wish  he had never done that. 1686 01:10:42,060 --> 01:10:45,320     Thinking about all the work,  all the long nights, 1687 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,610  the long days,  the hot sun, 1688 01:10:47,810 --> 01:10:49,660  the not eating, you know? 1689 01:10:49,860 --> 01:10:51,320  Mom going through      what she was going through, 1690 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,240  and... all that for this. 1691 01:10:59,740 --> 01:11:01,750  [Abdul-Rauf]      I had a garbage bag full... 1692 01:11:01,950 --> 01:11:03,790  of hate mail. 1693 01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:07,170  Death threats.  It was disturbing. 1694 01:11:08,290 --> 01:11:09,840  There are no words. 1695 01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,590  You don't get it     unless you've experienced it. 1696 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,680  You pull up to the house,  and your windshield's 1697 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,350  been bashed in. 1698 01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:19,020  Going to restaurants,  and him maybe not 1699 01:11:19,220 --> 01:11:21,190      feeling comfortable because  of the looks he's getting 1700 01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:24,190     and wondering if his food is  gonna be his food, 1701 01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:27,610     or if it's gonna be his food,  and something added. 1702 01:11:27,810 --> 01:11:30,860  This was an everyday,  regular thing for us. 1703 01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:33,530  So it was hard. 1704 01:11:34,990 --> 01:11:36,870  We need one ball. 1705 01:11:37,070 --> 01:11:38,660  [Abdul-Rauf]  Bernie calls me. 1706 01:11:38,860 --> 01:11:42,210  And he said, "There are  too many distractions." 1707 01:11:42,410 --> 01:11:44,590     He was like, "Look, why don't  you just end this year?" 1708 01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:47,210  We needed to move on, 1709 01:11:47,410 --> 01:11:49,720  'cause this was  no longer about 1710 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,550  what we were trying  to accomplish 1711 01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:54,550      as a basketball team, okay? 1712 01:11:54,750 --> 01:11:56,220  And that was win  basketball games 1713 01:11:56,420 --> 01:11:58,060  and become successful. 1714 01:11:58,260 --> 01:12:00,270    This-- This was a distraction. 1715 01:12:00,470 --> 01:12:03,650    So, when you have distractions  and those things, 1716 01:12:03,850 --> 01:12:06,060  you have to find ways  to eliminate them. 1717 01:12:06,270 --> 01:12:08,030      This is my humble opinion. 1718 01:12:08,230 --> 01:12:09,480  In every arena we go to 1719 01:12:09,690 --> 01:12:11,400  outside of our own,  we get booed. 1720 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,910  People looking  to get into our heads. 1721 01:12:14,110 --> 01:12:16,200  That's not a distraction  for athletes. 1722 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,330  You look at the season,  how it started. 1723 01:12:18,530 --> 01:12:20,490  Fifty, 30, phenomenal! 1724 01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,880  Why would you get rid  of a person like that? 1725 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,710  We were... with it, okay? 1726 01:12:28,910 --> 01:12:31,840  And so Sacramento was receptive, 1727 01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,260  so sometimes  changes of venue 1728 01:12:35,460 --> 01:12:37,430  helps everybody. 1729 01:12:37,630 --> 01:12:40,600  [Hastings] He's your      headache now, your problem. 1730 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,270  We can't handle  the headache, we're tired 1731 01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:45,270  of the publicity.  Move on. 1732 01:12:45,470 --> 01:12:48,900     [Rose] Bernie Bickerstaff was  put in an awkward spot... 1733 01:12:49,100 --> 01:12:52,110  because not many times  does a Black man 1734 01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:55,280     not only have the opportunity     to be a head coach in the NBA 1735 01:12:55,480 --> 01:12:56,950  but a general manager, 1736 01:12:57,150 --> 01:12:59,240  and when you're  in that position, 1737 01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:02,040  corporate America, the sponsors,  they on the phone. 1738 01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:06,710  And I'm pretty sure, for Bernie,      he had to look at it like, 1739 01:13:06,910 --> 01:13:11,050  that if I protect him,     they gonna ostracize me, too. 1740 01:13:11,250 --> 01:13:13,710  [commentator]   Good look, good execution. 1741 01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:17,140    {\an8}  They're looking for a screen,   there it is, 1742 01:13:17,340 --> 01:13:19,220   {\an8}and that's a nice   little shot right there. 1743 01:13:21,010 --> 01:13:24,230 {\an8} We're getting one  of the best players in the game, 1744 01:13:24,430 --> 01:13:28,480  {\an8}  and you guys all looking at him  like he's a pariah. 1745 01:13:29,770 --> 01:13:33,150 {\an8} That really bothered me,  'cause I loved this guy, 1746 01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:34,650    and I wanted to play with him. 1747 01:13:35,940 --> 01:13:38,620  [Bennett] When he went to    Sacramento, he wasn't playing. 1748 01:13:38,820 --> 01:13:41,490  So, I said, ooh,  he's gonna be in trouble. 1749 01:13:41,690 --> 01:13:44,250  [sighing]      He's gonna be blackballed. 1750 01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:45,830  And I think  that's what happened. 1751 01:13:46,030 --> 01:13:47,670  "Blackball" is certainly 1752 01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:49,840  not an official term. 1753 01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,210  Someone who is  being blackballed 1754 01:13:52,410 --> 01:13:54,970     is being made unable to work 1755 01:13:55,170 --> 01:13:56,510  in a certain environment 1756 01:13:56,710 --> 01:13:58,340  or in a certain place, 1757 01:13:58,540 --> 01:14:00,600 {\an8} in this case      in a certain sports league, 1758 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,390 {\an8} by the people  who control the means 1759 01:14:02,590 --> 01:14:04,680 {\an8} of hiring people  for that sport, 1760 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,190 {\an8} And it seemed clear,  after the Nuggets 1761 01:14:07,390 --> 01:14:08,900  traded Mahmoud,  who at the time was 1762 01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:10,810  the leading scorer  on their team, 1763 01:14:11,010 --> 01:14:13,860  that there was      very little interest in him 1764 01:14:14,060 --> 01:14:15,610  around the league. 1765 01:14:16,940 --> 01:14:18,570  Well, obviously  he wasn't blackballed. 1766 01:14:18,770 --> 01:14:20,030  He went to Sacramento. 1767 01:14:20,230 --> 01:14:22,030  The answer's in the-- 1768 01:14:22,230 --> 01:14:23,790  the pudding, right? 1769 01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:25,320  It didn't happen. 1770 01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:28,670  [Abdul-Rauf] That year,     they came out with a special, 1771 01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:30,500  with the top free throw shooters  in the league. 1772 01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:32,290      Not once did they show me.  I said, "Oh, 1773 01:14:32,490 --> 01:14:34,130     that's writing on the wall." 1774 01:14:34,330 --> 01:14:36,880  Tomjanovich,  after playing us 1775 01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,630  {\an8}in Sacramento,  was in the locker room. 1776 01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,890  {\an8}Tomjanovich was like,  "What's going on? 1777 01:14:42,090 --> 01:14:43,560  {\an8}  Why are they not playing him?" 1778 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,180 {\an8} They said, "When we come, 1779 01:14:45,380 --> 01:14:47,980 {\an8} we organize our defense  to stop him." 1780 01:14:48,180 --> 01:14:51,150 {\an8} I was, like, untouchable.  I see what's happening. 1781 01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:53,070 {\an8} And then, at some point,  I fell into what I did 1782 01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:55,400  my first year, like,     oh, forget y'all, then, man. 1783 01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:56,900  Said I ain't gonna be  putting in all this work. 1784 01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:58,360  Started gaining weight,  I'm like, 1785 01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,740  I'm giving them  what they want. 1786 01:14:59,940 --> 01:15:02,070  [commentator]   Abdul-Rauf... 1787 01:15:02,270 --> 01:15:06,500    Mahmoud didn't play very well,  and so it was easy. 1788 01:15:06,700 --> 01:15:08,410      If you're not playing well, 1789 01:15:08,610 --> 01:15:10,290      and there's a controversy, 1790 01:15:10,490 --> 01:15:12,660  it's really easy  to get rid of you. 1791 01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,670  [Abdul-Rauf] That year,     they wanted to sign me back, 1792 01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:18,670     but they wanted to give me--  like, lowball me. 1793 01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:21,510     And on principle I said, man,     trick it, I'm going overseas. 1794 01:15:21,710 --> 01:15:24,510      I said, just on principle,  I'm gonna leave. 1795 01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,310      I ended up going to Turkey. 1796 01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:29,940  That lasted for about  maybe three months. 1797 01:15:30,140 --> 01:15:33,110  My heart wasn't in it,  so I left early. 1798 01:15:33,310 --> 01:15:35,270  Vancouver said,  "If you get in shape, 1799 01:15:35,470 --> 01:15:37,730  you're gonna play."  I said, "Okay, deal." 1800 01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:40,950  [Rose]  I remember he was playing 1801 01:15:41,150 --> 01:15:43,530  with the Grizzlies.  Vancouver. 1802 01:15:43,730 --> 01:15:46,070  I'm like, they got my guy  in Siberia over here. 1803 01:15:47,410 --> 01:15:49,120  [Abdul-Rauf] After      my first year in Vancouver, 1804 01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,790  went back home,  established a masjid, 1805 01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:54,460  and so I became the imam     for some years while at home. 1806 01:15:54,660 --> 01:15:56,090   Asking for it... 1807 01:15:56,290 --> 01:15:57,630  Had a wife at the time, 1808 01:15:57,830 --> 01:16:00,050  and I was having  my first child, Ali. 1809 01:16:00,250 --> 01:16:02,220  During that time is      when we're looking to build 1810 01:16:02,420 --> 01:16:04,880  a house on 53 acres  in Kiln, Mississippi. 1811 01:16:06,430 --> 01:16:08,720  I was always  a little bit surprised 1812 01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,430  that he would wanna move  to Hancock County. 1813 01:16:15,890 --> 01:16:19,480  Yeah, yeah, a lot of...     just be real, it's just a... 1814 01:16:19,690 --> 01:16:22,030      I just don't know why a.... 1815 01:16:22,230 --> 01:16:26,030     a Muslim African-American man      would wanna go live there. 1816 01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:28,660  [Abdul-Rauf]     But I'm thinking, look, man, 1817 01:16:28,860 --> 01:16:32,580  this is a lot of land,      a lake, great opportunity. 1818 01:16:32,780 --> 01:16:35,500  I start building  a gigantic house. 1819 01:16:35,700 --> 01:16:38,170  One day,      going out to the property, 1820 01:16:38,370 --> 01:16:40,760      you could see tire tracks. 1821 01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:42,840      Looked like a big old truck 1822 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:44,930  that ran into  the frame of the house, 1823 01:16:45,130 --> 01:16:47,180  when it was being framed,  tore down. 1824 01:16:47,380 --> 01:16:49,180  Dealt with it.  Some time go by, 1825 01:16:49,380 --> 01:16:51,180  we come back out... 1826 01:16:51,380 --> 01:16:53,350    you see Ku Klux Klan insignia, 1827 01:16:53,550 --> 01:16:55,650  I'm still like,     "Okay, I'm still moving in." 1828 01:16:55,850 --> 01:16:57,360    When we get it all bricked up, 1829 01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,650  I get a call    from a sister in our community 1830 01:16:59,850 --> 01:17:02,150  named Ivy. It was about     four o'clock in the morning. 1831 01:17:02,350 --> 01:17:05,160  Woke us up.  She said... 1832 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:06,870  "Turn on the news." 1833 01:17:07,070 --> 01:17:08,780  [fire roaring] 1834 01:17:08,980 --> 01:17:11,160     [reporter]   Investigators are   claiming arson 1835 01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,080   in the early-morning blaze 1836 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,710 {\an8}  at the home   of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf... 1837 01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:18,420 {\an8} [Dotson]  I'm watching the news, 1838 01:17:18,620 --> 01:17:20,830 {\an8}  and I'm watching  my house in flames. 1839 01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,670 {\an8} It was like a clip      out of a bad horror movie, 1840 01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,180 {\an8}    except this is my real life. 1841 01:17:27,380 --> 01:17:29,470 {\an8} [reporter]      The six-bedroom six-bath home 1842 01:17:29,670 --> 01:17:31,680   was supposed to be   the Raufs' dream home 1843 01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,300   in the countryside. 1844 01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,640  [ominous music] 1845 01:17:39,850 --> 01:17:42,230  [birds tweeting] 1846 01:17:42,430 --> 01:17:44,190  [Abdul-Rauf]      I do remember one statement 1847 01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:47,860  that was made that--  that came true. 1848 01:17:48,060 --> 01:17:51,320  Said before I move in,     that it would be burned down. 1849 01:17:52,820 --> 01:17:55,080      This is just an indication, 1850 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,420  I think, of...  how far we gotta go 1851 01:17:57,620 --> 01:18:01,500      in terms of human relations  in this country, period. 1852 01:18:01,700 --> 01:18:03,460  For something like this  to happen. 1853 01:18:04,460 --> 01:18:07,590  For Mahmoud,      the way he handled himself 1854 01:18:07,790 --> 01:18:10,850      was always with discipline  and class. 1855 01:18:11,050 --> 01:18:14,520  Especially when times got rough. 1856 01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,270  He never got mad  at the establishment 1857 01:18:17,470 --> 01:18:20,020  and said,  "I'm gonna burn the house down." 1858 01:18:20,220 --> 01:18:22,320  But the Klan burned  his house down. 1859 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,190  How about that? 1860 01:18:26,570 --> 01:18:28,110  [Abdul-Rauf]      There's a part of me that, 1861 01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:29,740      when I see stuff like that, 1862 01:18:29,940 --> 01:18:32,070  I have that anger,  but it's almost like... 1863 01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:35,910  [sighing] 1864 01:18:36,110 --> 01:18:37,660  I gotta chuckle 1865 01:18:37,860 --> 01:18:40,790  to keep me sane, right? 1866 01:18:40,990 --> 01:18:42,630      Every time something happen  to me, I'm always looking 1867 01:18:42,830 --> 01:18:45,840  at... it could be worse. 1868 01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:47,750  It could be worse. 1869 01:18:49,420 --> 01:18:51,760  [siren buzzing, wailing] 1870 01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:55,720  [police whistling] 1871 01:18:57,010 --> 01:18:58,640  9/11 happened. 1872 01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,060  And Islam has become  the new boogeyman. 1873 01:19:02,260 --> 01:19:05,650  Every nation...  in every region... 1874 01:19:05,850 --> 01:19:08,240      now has a decision to make. 1875 01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:10,660  Either you are with us, 1876 01:19:10,860 --> 01:19:13,160  or you are  with the terrorists. 1877 01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,360  [applause] 1878 01:19:17,370 --> 01:19:19,960  [Mahershala]  In American, pre-9/11, 1879 01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,750  Muslims were able to... 1880 01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:25,670  navigate and move around     in the country a certain way. 1881 01:19:25,870 --> 01:19:27,510  I remember doing a show, 1882 01:19:27,710 --> 01:19:29,470    and I was one of the principles  on the show. 1883 01:19:29,670 --> 01:19:32,050  It was my first big  television opportunity. 1884 01:19:32,250 --> 01:19:34,680  And then,  when the towers fell, 1885 01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:36,640  it was like    there was this drastic change, 1886 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,270  and I was experiencing    something that was so beyond me 1887 01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:42,400  that I didn't have  any control over. 1888 01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:43,900  It was a thing  where I was, like, 1889 01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:46,110  I saw myself  being phased out. 1890 01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:48,900  And 19 episodes in,  I got fired. 1891 01:19:49,100 --> 01:19:51,110  -[reciting in Arabic]    -[Glass] I would have preferred 1892 01:19:51,310 --> 01:19:54,200  if I was Mahmoud's agent  at that time, 1893 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,120  to represent him  on September 10th, 1894 01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,200  you know what I mean?  'Cause, September 12th, 1895 01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,670  it was hard to represent  a Muslim player 1896 01:20:01,870 --> 01:20:03,830  named Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. 1897 01:20:04,030 --> 01:20:06,840  [crowd]  No mosque! No mosque! 1898 01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,670  [woman] This is not    about peaceful Islamic people. 1899 01:20:09,870 --> 01:20:12,720    This is about extremist groups      that are going to be here. 1900 01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,180  [man] I don't wanna go  through the Constitution. 1901 01:20:15,380 --> 01:20:17,140  I know what  the Constitution says. 1902 01:20:17,340 --> 01:20:18,810  But they are spitting  in our face. 1903 01:20:19,010 --> 01:20:20,060  The mosque people. 1904 01:20:20,260 --> 01:20:21,690  [crowd shouting] 1905 01:20:21,890 --> 01:20:24,060  [Abdul-Rauf]     In the midst of all of that, 1906 01:20:24,260 --> 01:20:26,730  I got a call  from HBO Sports Talk, 1907 01:20:26,930 --> 01:20:29,230  and they said     HBO wanna come interview me. 1908 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,610  [Dotson] I used to tell  Mahmoud point-blank, 1909 01:20:32,810 --> 01:20:36,240  I hate for you to give  interviews because, when you do, 1910 01:20:36,440 --> 01:20:39,410  you don't get a job,    and people burn down our house. 1911 01:20:39,610 --> 01:20:41,960  I did not have any trust      that they were going to be 1912 01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,710     objective in their reporting,  and I felt that 1913 01:20:44,910 --> 01:20:46,750  it was a roundabout way  to put a bullseye 1914 01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:49,130  on his back  and pull the trigger. 1915 01:20:49,330 --> 01:20:51,710  But Mahmoud does  what he wants to do. 1916 01:20:53,210 --> 01:20:55,090  I don't feel like  being diplomatic, 1917 01:20:55,290 --> 01:20:57,470  so whatever you ask me,  we're going for it. 1918 01:20:57,670 --> 01:20:59,600  He sits me down,     and the first thing he says, 1919 01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:00,890  he looks at me... 1920 01:21:01,090 --> 01:21:03,230  "So do you think  Bin Laden did it?" 1921 01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:04,440  [laughing] 1922 01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:06,940    I'm definitely, at this point, 1923 01:21:07,140 --> 01:21:09,020 {\an8} not convinced... 1924 01:21:09,220 --> 01:21:11,610 {\an8} that Osama Bin Laden  was involved. 1925 01:21:11,810 --> 01:21:14,360 {\an8} He is a suspect.  There's no evidence. 1926 01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,610 {\an8} You think  it's likely that Arabs, 1927 01:21:16,820 --> 01:21:19,120  Muslims were not involved  in this thing? 1928 01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,290  It's likely, I would say,      that they weren't involved. 1929 01:21:22,490 --> 01:21:23,960  -Were not.  -Right. 1930 01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:25,620  They're saying  it's a war on terrorism, 1931 01:21:25,820 --> 01:21:27,630  but I don't believe that  that's the case. 1932 01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:30,130      I think that's a euphemism  for a war on Islam. 1933 01:21:30,330 --> 01:21:32,300  I spoke my conscience, 1934 01:21:32,500 --> 01:21:35,130      and I mentioned some things  that people didn't like. 1935 01:21:35,330 --> 01:21:37,470  I posed questions  that people didn't like. 1936 01:21:37,670 --> 01:21:39,930    You think the Israelis might've  been behind what happened 1937 01:21:40,130 --> 01:21:41,310  -on September 11th?     -I don't know who was behind. 1938 01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:43,180     There's a strong possibility 1939 01:21:43,380 --> 01:21:45,980  that a lot of people      could've been behind this. 1940 01:21:46,180 --> 01:21:47,650  All I'm saying is... 1941 01:21:47,850 --> 01:21:50,150  these are questions  that are valid questions. 1942 01:21:50,350 --> 01:21:53,820  So, don't just have me...     just because the media wanna 1943 01:21:54,020 --> 01:21:55,700      point the finger over here, 1944 01:21:55,900 --> 01:21:57,950    just to jump on that bandwagon  when there are a lot 1945 01:21:58,150 --> 01:21:59,320  of other questions  need to be answered. 1946 01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,200  I'm at that point  in my life now, 1947 01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,240      the truth means more to me  than anything. 1948 01:22:03,450 --> 01:22:05,210  I-- I've made a decision      that I'm gonna live and die 1949 01:22:05,410 --> 01:22:06,830  with a free conscience  and a free soul 1950 01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:08,500  whether anybody likes it or not. 1951 01:22:08,700 --> 01:22:10,500  Do you understand how... 1952 01:22:10,700 --> 01:22:13,090  -It's unpopular.     -I mean-- unpopular, I mean-- 1953 01:22:13,290 --> 01:22:15,130     Chaotic, all of those words. 1954 01:22:15,330 --> 01:22:16,630  "Crazy" is the word  I was gonna use. 1955 01:22:16,830 --> 01:22:18,930  Right, right, right. 1956 01:22:19,130 --> 01:22:21,600  Man, it was      an extensive conversation, 1957 01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,770     which was terribly butchered. 1958 01:22:23,970 --> 01:22:25,640  And I said this to him,  I said, "But if you think 1959 01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,810  that I'm gonna compromise  my integrity 1960 01:22:28,010 --> 01:22:30,520     and the truth for a paycheck,      you must be out your mind." 1961 01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,360  Why aren't you in the NBA today? 1962 01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,200  I think that...  it poses a problem... 1963 01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,110  for the NBA's image... 1964 01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,370  to have a guy... 1965 01:22:42,570 --> 01:22:44,240  that's willing... 1966 01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:47,250  to speak his conscience, 1967 01:22:47,450 --> 01:22:49,660  even when      it's not popular to do so. 1968 01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,670  The interview went from,  like, six hours, 1969 01:22:53,870 --> 01:22:56,050     to the snippet that you see, 1970 01:22:56,250 --> 01:22:59,090  and at that point, I couldn't do  anything but drop my head 1971 01:22:59,290 --> 01:23:02,180    because I knew they had botched  everything that was said. 1972 01:23:02,380 --> 01:23:04,390      After that interview aired, 1973 01:23:04,590 --> 01:23:08,180  that's when my career was  beheaded for good. 1974 01:23:13,890 --> 01:23:17,030  I called around,    and I had several conversations 1975 01:23:17,230 --> 01:23:19,320  with a number of teams  in the NBA. 1976 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,240    The Phoenix Suns called me back  and said... 1977 01:23:22,440 --> 01:23:24,370  "I have no interest  in signing Mahmoud, 1978 01:23:24,570 --> 01:23:26,570     and it doesn't have anything  to do with basketball." 1979 01:23:28,830 --> 01:23:30,210  [Abdul-Rauf] A guy from  the Clippers came to me. 1980 01:23:30,410 --> 01:23:31,580     Assistant coach or something. 1981 01:23:31,780 --> 01:23:33,840  And he said,  "We need a guard." 1982 01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:35,750  Elgin Baylor wants  to talk to you." 1983 01:23:35,950 --> 01:23:38,090  So I ended up coming,    and I'm sitting in the stands, 1984 01:23:38,290 --> 01:23:40,760  and I see Elgin  at the scorer's table. 1985 01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,760 {\an8} After about maybe  15, 20 minutes, 1986 01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,760  {\an8}the guy comes, 1987 01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,600 {\an8} he says, "Mahmoud,  I apologize. 1988 01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:48,270  {\an8}Elgin don't wanna talk  to you on account 1989 01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:50,310  of what you said  on HBO." 1990 01:23:50,510 --> 01:23:52,100  [chuckling]  You already knew 1991 01:23:52,300 --> 01:23:54,980  I had an HBO interview      before you called me here. 1992 01:23:55,180 --> 01:23:56,940     So you must've went and said  something to somebody, 1993 01:23:57,140 --> 01:23:59,020  and they said,      "Hey, no, absolutely not." 1994 01:24:00,770 --> 01:24:02,820  [Kerr] He played  nine years in the league. 1995 01:24:03,020 --> 01:24:04,910  A player like that,  who's that skilled, 1996 01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:06,740      should have a 15-year run. 1997 01:24:06,940 --> 01:24:10,250  It didn't dawn on me  that he was potentially 1998 01:24:10,450 --> 01:24:11,830  being blackballed  by the league. 1999 01:24:12,030 --> 01:24:14,330      But that's my own naivete. 2000 01:24:14,530 --> 01:24:16,040  [Shaq] He just took  a life of his own, 2001 01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,210  and it seemed  like he was blackballed. 2002 01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:20,470     I don't wanna use that word,  but kinda seemed 2003 01:24:20,670 --> 01:24:22,510  like he was blackballed,  just kinda faded away. 2004 01:24:22,710 --> 01:24:24,640  He never got  the opportunities. 2005 01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,640      [Polynice] He got banished,  he got thrown out 2006 01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,430  with the bathwater.  All of that. 2007 01:24:29,630 --> 01:24:32,100  They just didn't want him      a part of the NBA anymore. 2008 01:24:32,300 --> 01:24:34,810  So, whatever terminology  that they wanted to use, 2009 01:24:35,010 --> 01:24:37,320  that's what happened  to Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. 2010 01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,490    [Ice Cube] Without that stand,      he would've played another 2011 01:24:40,690 --> 01:24:42,570  seven, eight years. 2012 01:24:42,770 --> 01:24:44,660  There's so many guys  good enough to play 2013 01:24:44,860 --> 01:24:48,830  that don't have a job      because of... other things. 2014 01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:50,620  This is an "other thing." 2015 01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,830  [Roberts]  Because he spoke his mind 2016 01:24:54,030 --> 01:24:56,170  and what he believed,  you blackball him, 2017 01:24:56,370 --> 01:24:58,000  you ruin his career. 2018 01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,340  You cut his--  his lifeline off. 2019 01:25:00,540 --> 01:25:01,970  It's all about  revenue for them, 2020 01:25:02,170 --> 01:25:04,630  and if one fan thinks  something is wrong, 2021 01:25:04,830 --> 01:25:06,140  then they're gonna try  to figure out 2022 01:25:06,340 --> 01:25:07,640    how to make that one fan happy, 2023 01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,600  and that's not right. 2024 01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,060     If I were to have a $5 bill, 2025 01:25:12,260 --> 01:25:15,600  and I had to lay it on  was he blackballed, 2026 01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:17,270  or wasn't he,  and this is all the money 2027 01:25:17,470 --> 01:25:18,890  I'm gonna have  the rest of my life... 2028 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,110      I'd say he was blackballed. 2029 01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:23,940  [soft sob] 2030 01:25:25,820 --> 01:25:27,780  That's not right. 2031 01:25:30,570 --> 01:25:34,790      One of the greatest players  in the history of the NBA 2032 01:25:34,990 --> 01:25:37,540  was cheated  out of his career. 2033 01:25:37,740 --> 01:25:39,040 2034 01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,840  So somebody needs  to speak up, 2035 01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,290      and if you don't speak up,  you're a coward. 2036 01:25:46,170 --> 01:25:47,970  [Rose] He's allowed,  in my opinion, 2037 01:25:48,170 --> 01:25:50,010  to express himself  how he chooses. 2038 01:25:50,210 --> 01:25:51,640  I thought that's  what being a free country 2039 01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,390  was actually all about. 2040 01:25:54,590 --> 01:25:56,390  People got mad at Mahmoud 2041 01:25:56,590 --> 01:25:58,230  for not standing for the anthem, 2042 01:25:58,430 --> 01:26:01,270  for the same reason  he maintained his dignity 2043 01:26:01,470 --> 01:26:03,230  when he lost everything. 2044 01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:05,070  His religion. 2045 01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:08,410  They wanted him out,  by all means. 2046 01:26:08,610 --> 01:26:13,530  Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf was      "whiteballed" from the NBA. 2047 01:26:16,830 --> 01:26:18,750  [Abdul-Rauf]  I went through a period, 2048 01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:21,130  and I don't want anybody  to have pity for me. 2049 01:26:21,330 --> 01:26:24,010  And there are even people  that are so close to me 2050 01:26:24,210 --> 01:26:28,220      that don't even know this,      but I literally went broke. 2051 01:26:28,420 --> 01:26:29,930  When I say broke, "zero." 2052 01:26:30,130 --> 01:26:33,220    I was living with my sister... 2053 01:26:33,420 --> 01:26:36,230  with our five kids... 2054 01:26:36,430 --> 01:26:39,020  to give  some sense of normalcy. 2055 01:26:41,310 --> 01:26:43,020  [Abdul-Rauf]  I'm in this big house 2056 01:26:43,220 --> 01:26:44,860  with no heat, 2057 01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:47,400  balled up  in a blanket. 2058 01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:49,230  Trying to stay warm. 2059 01:26:50,570 --> 01:26:52,280  Going back  to what I used to do, 2060 01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:56,410  eating rice,  butter, things. 2061 01:26:56,610 --> 01:26:58,040  Trying to figure out,  man, what-- 2062 01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,080  what in the hell  am I gonna do? 2063 01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:01,880  It's hard going  from somebody who's been 2064 01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:03,800  in the spotlight  your entire life, 2065 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,840  entire, and now, 2066 01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,840    there's no spotlight, nothing. 2067 01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:14,890  [Abdul-Rauf] Sometimes  we have to go so low, 2068 01:27:15,090 --> 01:27:16,850  whether it's traumatic  or what have you, 2069 01:27:17,050 --> 01:27:19,310  to open our eyes. 2070 01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:21,440  And, at that moment, 2071 01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,390      you are in a way rebirthed. 2072 01:27:27,980 --> 01:27:30,990  I prayed a lot.  I was patient. 2073 01:27:31,190 --> 01:27:32,910  And somebody asked me,     "Hey, man, would you train?" 2074 01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:34,160  I ain't even know  what they charge, 2075 01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:35,990      but I know I needed to eat. 2076 01:27:36,190 --> 01:27:38,540  Push it, push it, faster!  Come on, push yourself! 2077 01:27:38,740 --> 01:27:40,580  [Sheppard] He works  with several NBA players. 2078 01:27:40,780 --> 01:27:43,500    He's a skill development coach  that gets players ready 2079 01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:45,500  for the draft.  He works with youth. 2080 01:27:45,700 --> 01:27:48,420   {\an8}   He's a fantastic developer  of talent. 2081 01:27:48,620 --> 01:27:49,920  {\an8}[Abdul-Rauf] Go! 2082 01:27:51,420 --> 01:27:52,670 {\an8}  Go! 2083 01:27:54,090 --> 01:27:56,180   {\an8}   [Abdul-Rauf] In the process      of that, someone called me. 2084 01:27:56,380 --> 01:27:59,020  He said, "Hey, man,    we wanna invite you to speak." 2085 01:27:59,220 --> 01:28:01,140  Jumped on it.  I went out. 2086 01:28:01,340 --> 01:28:02,650  I didn't know  he was filming it. 2087 01:28:02,850 --> 01:28:04,610  Just like Malcolm,  when he said, 2088 01:28:04,810 --> 01:28:06,320  "Look, it doesn't matter. 2089 01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,650  You know, your color,  religion, or whatever." 2090 01:28:08,850 --> 01:28:11,400  [Abdul-Rauf] He ends up,  without my permission, 2091 01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,490  putting it on YouTube. 2092 01:28:13,690 --> 01:28:15,280  Before you know it,  I start getting 2093 01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:17,240    a lot of speaking engagements. 2094 01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:19,790  Money start rolling in.  It helped a lot. 2095 01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:21,790  That came from constant,  day-in and day-out... 2096 01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:24,670  [Abdul-Rauf]  In every area of my life, 2097 01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:28,170  I'm trying to leave  no stones unturned. 2098 01:28:30,630 --> 01:28:32,670  [thunder rumbling] 2099 01:28:39,050 --> 01:28:41,350  [Dotson]  If you know Mahmoud, 2100 01:28:41,550 --> 01:28:43,020  you know that  he's always striving 2101 01:28:43,220 --> 01:28:46,100  to be better tomorrow  than he is today. 2102 01:28:47,980 --> 01:28:49,780  But I think  that a lot of things 2103 01:28:49,980 --> 01:28:52,270  may have caused him  to be more closed off. 2104 01:28:54,860 --> 01:28:57,410      And I think everything can  be traced back to 2105 01:28:57,610 --> 01:29:00,820     how he always wanted to know  who his father was. 2106 01:29:02,740 --> 01:29:05,630  [Abdul-Rauf] I remember      my mother on her deathbed, 2107 01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:10,090  she was battling cancer,     it was very painful for her. 2108 01:29:10,290 --> 01:29:12,880  I wanted to ask her  who my father was. 2109 01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:14,800      It's a piece of my history  that's missing 2110 01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,340  that I'd like to know. 2111 01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,260     But my heart wouldn't let me, 2112 01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:22,480  because I didn't want her  thinking that 2113 01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:24,390  me wanting  the answer to that 2114 01:29:24,590 --> 01:29:27,020  was more important  than what she was going through. 2115 01:29:27,220 --> 01:29:30,070  So, I just let her die  with that on her soul. 2116 01:29:30,270 --> 01:29:32,030  [soft chatter] 2117 01:29:32,230 --> 01:29:33,780  [Dotson]  Nothing could ever change 2118 01:29:33,980 --> 01:29:36,070  how much he loved  that little woman. 2119 01:29:36,270 --> 01:29:38,370  He just wanted to know. 2120 01:29:38,570 --> 01:29:40,330  And I know that  that hurt him 2121 01:29:40,530 --> 01:29:42,030    'cause she would not tell him. 2122 01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:47,460  [Abdul-Rauf]  Especially as African-Americans, 2123 01:29:47,660 --> 01:29:51,000     our histories in so many ways  have been erased, 2124 01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,380      and I think it's important  to know our history. 2125 01:29:53,580 --> 01:29:55,340     Not just where we come from, 2126 01:29:55,540 --> 01:29:58,140  but also it gives you  a sense of who you are. 2127 01:29:58,340 --> 01:30:00,140  I wanna find out  everything there is 2128 01:30:00,340 --> 01:30:02,060  possibly to know. 2129 01:30:02,260 --> 01:30:04,140 {\an8} We have been,  throughout this journey 2130 01:30:04,340 --> 01:30:08,560 {\an8} and process, talking  to your family. 2131 01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,560 {\an8} They wanna meet you. 2132 01:30:11,940 --> 01:30:13,730  [Abdul-Rauf] If a person is  willing to meet me, 2133 01:30:13,940 --> 01:30:15,650  at the minimum,  I'm gonna meet you. 2134 01:30:15,850 --> 01:30:17,320  I like to build bridges. 2135 01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,120  -How you doing?  -Brian. 2136 01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:20,490  All right, Mahmoud, 2137 01:30:20,690 --> 01:30:21,910  nice to meet you.  Nice to meet you. 2138 01:30:22,110 --> 01:30:23,490  {\an8}-Chip.  -All right, Chip. 2139 01:30:23,690 --> 01:30:25,620  {\an8}[Abdul-Rauf] It's been,  like, 53 years. 2140 01:30:25,820 --> 01:30:28,830  {\an8}  You know, we had a genealogist  to do the homework 2141 01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:30,670    that has led me to this point. 2142 01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:33,340  You put Gulfport  on the map in my book. 2143 01:30:33,540 --> 01:30:35,590  I appreciate it.  I appreciate it. 2144 01:30:38,460 --> 01:30:42,140  [Berry] Your family...    is one of the founding families 2145 01:30:42,340 --> 01:30:44,680  in the Gulfport region. 2146 01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,520  You come from  a basketball family. 2147 01:30:51,690 --> 01:30:53,820  One of your relatives... 2148 01:30:54,020 --> 01:30:56,360  Wendell Ladner, 2149 01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,320  played in the ABA  with Dr. J. 2150 01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:01,950  and also... 2151 01:31:02,150 --> 01:31:04,450   {\an8}  with one of your NBA coaches. 2152 01:31:06,740 --> 01:31:09,670  {\an8}[Abdul-Rauf] You know,    when I think about Mississippi, 2153 01:31:09,870 --> 01:31:13,460 {\an8} when I think about     just the legacy of slavery... 2154 01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,380  [soft sobs] 2155 01:31:17,580 --> 01:31:19,630  watching... 2156 01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:22,470  my mother struggle... 2157 01:31:22,670 --> 01:31:25,890  and then, after a life  comes into this world, 2158 01:31:26,090 --> 01:31:29,140  that you don't  acknowledge that. 2159 01:31:29,340 --> 01:31:32,400    Especially if you were wealthy  and you were doing well, 2160 01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:34,520      knowing how we were living, 2161 01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,230  no food at times,  no clothes. 2162 01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:40,570  The possibility    of you knowing all of this time 2163 01:31:40,770 --> 01:31:42,530  and just saying nothing. 2164 01:31:42,730 --> 01:31:44,740  You know, to me,  that's a coward. 2165 01:31:44,940 --> 01:31:46,540  I've dealt with this  for years. 2166 01:31:46,740 --> 01:31:48,950  I've used it  as a tool to drive me. 2167 01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:50,710  Uh, but still, 2168 01:31:50,910 --> 01:31:52,660  it's a missing piece. 2169 01:31:54,830 --> 01:31:56,420  I'm not saying  it's a full relief, 2170 01:31:56,620 --> 01:31:57,920  but it's something  that I can, you know, 2171 01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:00,090  at least I can  tell my children. 2172 01:32:00,290 --> 01:32:02,090  You never know      how that could impact them, 2173 01:32:02,290 --> 01:32:05,550  motivate them,     'cause information is power. 2174 01:32:11,220 --> 01:32:12,900  Throughout  the course of my life, 2175 01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:14,940  from ten years old on, 2176 01:32:15,140 --> 01:32:17,190  I'd grown comfortable  of the fact that 2177 01:32:17,390 --> 01:32:19,440  this is something    that I'll probably never know, 2178 01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:23,360  and it didn't stop me  from pursuing my dreams. 2179 01:32:24,900 --> 01:32:29,120  I'm relentless in the pursuit      of striving for the truth, 2180 01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,250  and striving  to live that truth. 2181 01:32:32,450 --> 01:32:34,790  Even amidst the flaws. 2182 01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:39,090  [Rose] Mahmoud had  to take a turbulent ride 2183 01:32:39,290 --> 01:32:43,130  of trauma, of neglect. 2184 01:32:43,330 --> 01:32:45,260  That's how we get treated 2185 01:32:45,460 --> 01:32:47,100  when we take a stand 2186 01:32:47,300 --> 01:32:48,970      that mass media and America 2187 01:32:49,170 --> 01:32:50,850    doesn't necessarily agree with. 2188 01:32:51,050 --> 01:32:53,020  [crowd murmurs] 2189 01:32:53,220 --> 01:32:55,770     [reporter] 49ers quarterback  Colin Kaepernick says 2190 01:32:55,970 --> 01:32:57,650  he did the right thing  when he sat out 2191 01:32:57,850 --> 01:32:59,780  {\an8}the national anthem  ahead of his team's 2192 01:32:59,980 --> 01:33:01,820  {\an8}preseason game on Friday. 2193 01:33:02,020 --> 01:33:03,860  {\an8}When I saw  Kaepernick's protest, 2194 01:33:04,060 --> 01:33:05,450  {\an8}I would say  history repeats itself. 2195 01:33:05,650 --> 01:33:07,580  {\an8}I'm gonna continue  to stand with the people, 2196 01:33:07,780 --> 01:33:08,910  without being oppressed. 2197 01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:11,870  {\an8}[crowd booing] 2198 01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:13,710  {\an8}[Abdul-Rauf] Just to see      what he was going through, 2199 01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:17,330  {\an8}    the ridicule, the remarks,  the death threats. 2200 01:33:17,540 --> 01:33:20,300 {\an8} He's un-American, and he doesn't     deserve to be in our country. 2201 01:33:20,500 --> 01:33:22,510  All white--  all lives matter! 2202 01:33:22,710 --> 01:33:25,130  [Abdul-Rauf]      The playing time reduction. 2203 01:33:25,330 --> 01:33:27,680  I said, "Wow,  this looks so familiar." 2204 01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:30,680  Get that son of a bitch  off the field, right now. 2205 01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:32,930  Out. He's fired. 2206 01:33:33,130 --> 01:33:35,020  He's fired! 2207 01:33:35,220 --> 01:33:37,020 {\an8} [crowd cheering] 2208 01:33:37,220 --> 01:33:38,690  {\an8}[Abdul-Rauf]  One of the differences 2209 01:33:38,890 --> 01:33:40,520 {\an8} was social media. 2210 01:33:40,730 --> 01:33:43,190  All right,      we didn't have that luxury. 2211 01:33:43,390 --> 01:33:45,860  People can get on.  Throw pictures. 2212 01:33:46,060 --> 01:33:47,450    Show that they're not standing. 2213 01:33:47,650 --> 01:33:50,660  "I support you."  And millions see it. 2214 01:33:51,700 --> 01:33:53,370  So it kind of  forces sometimes 2215 01:33:53,570 --> 01:33:56,080  the media to say,     "Are you gonna be with them, 2216 01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:57,880  or are you gonna go  against the grain 2217 01:33:58,080 --> 01:33:59,500  -of all of these people?"  -[leader] No justice! 2218 01:33:59,700 --> 01:34:01,460  -No peace!  -No justice! 2219 01:34:02,540 --> 01:34:03,920  [Krieger]  Mahmoud was caught 2220 01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,800  in a sort of an odd  historical window. 2221 01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,140  You had precedence  in Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 2222 01:34:10,340 --> 01:34:12,770  Muhammad Ali,  and Malcolm X, 2223 01:34:12,970 --> 01:34:15,350  all of whom grew  out of a very 2224 01:34:15,550 --> 01:34:17,600      politically active period. 2225 01:34:19,060 --> 01:34:21,270  Fast-forward  to where we are today, 2226 01:34:21,470 --> 01:34:24,570  and you have Black Lives Matter, 2227 01:34:24,770 --> 01:34:27,910      and Colin Kaepernick grows  out of that period. 2228 01:34:28,110 --> 01:34:31,080  For Mahmoud  to come out when he did, 2229 01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:32,910      he didn't have any company. 2230 01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:35,580  He didn't have  a lot of support. 2231 01:34:35,780 --> 01:34:37,330  [Aldridge]     The media was not his friend. 2232 01:34:37,530 --> 01:34:39,080  The NBA certainly wasn't. 2233 01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,420  The players left him     out on an island by himself. 2234 01:34:42,620 --> 01:34:45,920  So, everybody owes him  an apology. 2235 01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:49,510  He didn't change.  The view of him changed. 2236 01:34:49,710 --> 01:34:52,100      So, when you start talking     about the people that owe him 2237 01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:56,180  an apology,  the fans, the media, 2238 01:34:56,380 --> 01:35:00,270  the league,  the coaches... 2239 01:35:00,470 --> 01:35:02,520  and the players. 2240 01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:04,570  Because we should've  covered him. 2241 01:35:04,770 --> 01:35:06,320      We should've had his back, 2242 01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:07,860  and we didn't. 2243 01:35:09,860 --> 01:35:11,160  [Abdul-Rauf]  After all of these years, 2244 01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:12,580  when I go  through airports, 2245 01:35:12,780 --> 01:35:14,240  and I go through cities,  I don't know 2246 01:35:14,440 --> 01:35:16,290  how many times      people have come up to me, 2247 01:35:16,490 --> 01:35:18,710  and they say, "Man,    I just wanna apologize to you. 2248 01:35:18,910 --> 01:35:20,290  I-- I didn't like you. 2249 01:35:20,490 --> 01:35:22,420  I mean, I thought  you were seriously wrong. 2250 01:35:22,620 --> 01:35:24,590  But I was wrong,      and I just wanna tell you, 2251 01:35:24,790 --> 01:35:26,960  man, I appreciate you  for doing what you did." 2252 01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:29,510      If I had a hundred dollars  every time I heard that, 2253 01:35:29,710 --> 01:35:32,390  I'd probably have the equivalent  of an NBA contract. 2254 01:35:32,590 --> 01:35:34,470  [Miller] I asked  Coach Jenkins, I said, 2255 01:35:34,670 --> 01:35:36,430  "Coach, you went  to World War II, 2256 01:35:36,630 --> 01:35:39,060  you lost your leg.  Were you bothered by that 2257 01:35:39,260 --> 01:35:40,730  when he didn't stand  for the flag?" 2258 01:35:40,930 --> 01:35:42,650  He said, "No, not at all,  that's one of the reasons 2259 01:35:42,850 --> 01:35:44,400  I went to war,  so people would have 2260 01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,610     that right in this country." 2261 01:35:46,810 --> 01:35:49,610  When you have  so much misinformation 2262 01:35:49,810 --> 01:35:51,660  or highlighting  of dark actions 2263 01:35:51,860 --> 01:35:54,740     by people who may claim to-- 2264 01:35:54,940 --> 01:35:57,120  to be Muslim, I think  it's really important 2265 01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,080  to have the microphone  on the same volume 2266 01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,290  for all the good deeds 2267 01:36:03,490 --> 01:36:05,040      and the acts of generosity 2268 01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,590  that Muslims exhibit  around the world. 2269 01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,090  I think it's important      because it's about balance, 2270 01:36:12,290 --> 01:36:13,930  understanding  that we're all human, 2271 01:36:14,130 --> 01:36:16,850      that we're all essentially 2272 01:36:17,050 --> 01:36:18,720  made the same  at our essence. 2273 01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:23,100  And the rest of it is      so much about our choices. 2274 01:36:23,300 --> 01:36:25,400  He blazed a trail,  and I know that was not 2275 01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:27,360  an easy thing  by any stretch. 2276 01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:29,570  You wanna celebrate      everything that he's about. 2277 01:36:29,770 --> 01:36:31,900  Not just that moment,  but that is a huge moment 2278 01:36:32,100 --> 01:36:35,070     to know that he paved the way      for our opinions and voice 2279 01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:37,160  and what matters to us,  outside of just putting 2280 01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:38,870  a ball in a basket,  it's part of us being 2281 01:36:39,070 --> 01:36:40,780  human beings as well. 2282 01:36:42,580 --> 01:36:45,630  One of my favorite  pictures in sports 2283 01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:47,840  -is the Ali summit.  -Love it. 2284 01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:49,960     -It's worth a thousand words.  -Yeah. 2285 01:36:51,250 --> 01:36:53,180  Muhammad Ali,  Jim Brown, 2286 01:36:53,380 --> 01:36:56,010  Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,  Bill Russell. 2287 01:36:56,210 --> 01:36:59,060    Game-changing agents in sports 2288 01:36:59,260 --> 01:37:01,140  that used that platform 2289 01:37:01,340 --> 01:37:03,390  to allow their voices  to be heard. 2290 01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:05,270  I make sure I say,  "Hey, y'all... 2291 01:37:05,470 --> 01:37:06,940  -[chuckling]  -...don't forget 2292 01:37:07,140 --> 01:37:10,110      about Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf." 2293 01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:12,150  I don't think  there's any question that 2294 01:37:12,350 --> 01:37:13,950  he belongs      in the pantheon of athletes 2295 01:37:14,150 --> 01:37:16,820  like John Carlos  and Tommie Smith. 2296 01:37:17,020 --> 01:37:19,790    His willingness to take a stand 2297 01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:22,660  in an era where very few 2298 01:37:22,860 --> 01:37:25,120  pro athletes did this, 2299 01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,080  you can make  a very credible argument 2300 01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,670  that it cost him  his career to do so. 2301 01:37:29,870 --> 01:37:31,380  But he never gave in. 2302 01:37:31,580 --> 01:37:33,170  And he should be  championed for that. 2303 01:37:33,370 --> 01:37:35,880  He should be celebrated  for that. 2304 01:37:37,630 --> 01:37:39,850  [Mahershala]      My true hope would be that 2305 01:37:40,050 --> 01:37:42,180  athletes, entertainers, 2306 01:37:42,380 --> 01:37:46,440  actors, weren't needed  as message carriers. 2307 01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,270  But sometimes  it takes celebrities 2308 01:37:49,470 --> 01:37:52,570  who have the power      to speak to certain issues 2309 01:37:52,770 --> 01:37:55,450  to step up  and articulate themselves 2310 01:37:55,650 --> 01:37:57,190  on behalf  of the people that can't. 2311 01:37:59,070 --> 01:38:01,950  I think  what he did was so mature 2312 01:38:02,150 --> 01:38:04,000  from the standpoint  of knowing that, 2313 01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,250  this is finite,  you know, this career 2314 01:38:06,450 --> 01:38:08,710  and this time,  this game is finite, 2315 01:38:08,910 --> 01:38:11,340  but these choices,    my contributions to this world, 2316 01:38:11,540 --> 01:38:13,340  like, those actions 2317 01:38:13,540 --> 01:38:15,500     have a different shelf life. 2318 01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:18,840  [Ice Cube] He gained  a lot of my respect 2319 01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:22,010  for the stand  he took in the NBA, 2320 01:38:22,210 --> 01:38:25,350     and then we come around with  a league like the BIG3... 2321 01:38:25,550 --> 01:38:29,230  to re-introduce the world  to Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf 2322 01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:31,020      as a pro basketball player. 2323 01:38:31,220 --> 01:38:32,940  [commentator]      Mahmoud, he's gonna pull it-- 2324 01:38:33,140 --> 01:38:34,740  [cheering] 2325 01:38:34,940 --> 01:38:36,860  [Rose] The BIG3 is      one of the greatest things 2326 01:38:37,060 --> 01:38:38,570  to ever happen  to retired players. 2327 01:38:38,770 --> 01:38:40,570  They still in shape. 2328 01:38:40,770 --> 01:38:42,450  They still love the game. 2329 01:38:42,650 --> 01:38:45,160  {\an8}    They still wanna give back  to the game. 2330 01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:47,250  {\an8}[commentator]   The kick out to box move! 2331 01:38:47,450 --> 01:38:48,750 {\an8}  Yes! 2332 01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:50,920  Being a part of the BIG3 2333 01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:52,420  after all of these years, 2334 01:38:52,620 --> 01:38:54,760  it re-created  this conversation, 2335 01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:56,760  like, man,  y'all did him wrong. 2336 01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,640  He's fifty-something,  and he's still moving like that. 2337 01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,970  In Oakland,  he had over 20 points, 2338 01:39:04,170 --> 01:39:07,020  {\an8}and we'd always have  a game-winning shot. 2339 01:39:07,220 --> 01:39:10,690 {\an8} [commentator]   Pull, for three! Yeah! 2340 01:39:10,890 --> 01:39:12,900   {\an8}   [Abdul-Rauf] The way I used    to train, and when I'm training 2341 01:39:13,100 --> 01:39:15,070  these NBA guys,      I tell 'em the same thing. 2342 01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:16,860  If you're not flirting  with death 2343 01:39:17,060 --> 01:39:18,280    {\an8}  or contemplating quitting, 2344 01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:20,410   {\an8} you're not trying hard enough. 2345 01:39:20,610 --> 01:39:21,950  {\an8}[Amir Abdul-Rauf]  He's a great dad, 2346 01:39:22,150 --> 01:39:23,580      great coach, great mentor. 2347 01:39:23,780 --> 01:39:25,120  If he don't think  I did something right, 2348 01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:26,750  there's many times  I have to go over, 2349 01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:28,250  until he feels like I do. 2350 01:39:28,450 --> 01:39:30,210  [Abdul-Rauf]  There ya go! Good! 2351 01:39:30,410 --> 01:39:32,000  All Amir wants to do is 2352 01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:35,090  to pick up      where his father left off. 2353 01:39:35,290 --> 01:39:38,800     To see Mahmoud's son playing  for the son of the man 2354 01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,640 {\an8}  who was his first agent,  you can't make that up. 2355 01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,970  {\an8}[commentator]   Here's Abdul-Rauf,   again from three! 2356 01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,020  {\an8}    [Ice Cube] He's gonna play  as long as he wanna play. 2357 01:39:48,220 --> 01:39:51,440 {\an8} And when he retires  from the BIG3, 2358 01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:53,180  {\an8}    it's gonna be on his terms. 2359 01:39:56,980 --> 01:39:59,320 {\an8} [Hastings] Now,     we get to look in hindsight, 2360 01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,660  {\an8}knowing the things  he went through. 2361 01:40:01,860 --> 01:40:03,530   {\an8} Whether it was the Tourette's. 2362 01:40:03,730 --> 01:40:05,240     Whether it was his protests. 2363 01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:08,580  It felt like he got  comfortable with himself, 2364 01:40:08,780 --> 01:40:12,040      and he accepted who he was. 2365 01:40:13,540 --> 01:40:15,420      [Abdul-Rauf] I don't think  we can talk to anyone 2366 01:40:15,620 --> 01:40:18,590  who reached  some levels of success... 2367 01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:20,920  you've had to go through  some type of struggle 2368 01:40:21,130 --> 01:40:22,670  to get there. 2369 01:40:24,340 --> 01:40:26,760     George Washington Carver said  no one has the right 2370 01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,220  to come into this world  and go out of it 2371 01:40:29,420 --> 01:40:32,100  without leaving behind    distinct and legitimate reasons 2372 01:40:32,300 --> 01:40:33,310  for having  passed through it. 2373 01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:35,610  [camera snaps] 2374 01:40:35,810 --> 01:40:37,230  I'm grateful for being  able to be drafted. 2375 01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:40,900  I'm grateful      to have been able to play. 2376 01:40:41,100 --> 01:40:42,950  But on the flip side  of that too, 2377 01:40:43,150 --> 01:40:45,280      the NBA should be grateful  that we're playing, 2378 01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:47,030     'cause it's a two-way street. 2379 01:40:49,530 --> 01:40:51,330  If the only thing      you remember about Mahmoud, 2380 01:40:51,530 --> 01:40:53,120  "Oh, my goodness,  he had a quick release, 2381 01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:54,630      he could play basketball," 2382 01:40:54,830 --> 01:40:56,130  but I never stood  for anything, 2383 01:40:56,330 --> 01:40:57,790  that's a waste. 2384 01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,460  But if I can say,  "Okay, you got this, 2385 01:41:00,660 --> 01:41:03,840  it wasn't as long  he may have preferred, 2386 01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:06,470  but wow,  he took positions 2387 01:41:06,670 --> 01:41:08,470    that was bigger than himself," 2388 01:41:08,670 --> 01:41:11,310  I'm happy about it.  I'm at peace. 2389 01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:15,100 2390 01:41:15,300 --> 01:41:18,440  What did he do that was  so damaging to the fabric 2391 01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:20,280  of this country? 2392 01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:23,240  He said, "I don't wanna  come out for the anthem," 2393 01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:26,820  the national anthem,      which, by its very playing, 2394 01:41:27,020 --> 01:41:30,830     before every sporting event,  is a political act. 2395 01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:33,410  The part of the anthem  we don't sing, 2396 01:41:33,610 --> 01:41:36,250  the third stanza,  which nobody sings, 2397 01:41:36,450 --> 01:41:37,960    'cause it's not taught to them, 2398 01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:40,960      is all about former slaves  and mercenaries 2399 01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:42,670  fighting on the side  of the British 2400 01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:46,050     and how we wish them nothing  but ill and death. 2401 01:41:46,250 --> 01:41:48,970  The anthem is     an inherently political song, 2402 01:41:49,170 --> 01:41:51,680  and we play it  for every sporting event 2403 01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:54,180  in this country,  and one person said, 2404 01:41:54,380 --> 01:41:57,310  "You know what,     I have a problem with that." 2405 01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:59,900  And he didn't get to play     basketball as a result of it. 2406 01:42:00,100 --> 01:42:02,270  His career ended  because of it. 2407 01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:07,240  I'd rather go broke  and be on the street, 2408 01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,990      than to lose my principles. 2409 01:42:10,190 --> 01:42:12,870     And I'm not just saying that  because it sounds pious. 2410 01:42:13,070 --> 01:42:16,330  And I'm not... saying it  to make it sound easy. 2411 01:42:16,530 --> 01:42:18,660  -[crowd applauding]  -I mean, that's hard. 2412 01:42:21,290 --> 01:42:23,210  My experience has  shown me that 2413 01:42:23,410 --> 01:42:25,510      transformation is possible. 2414 01:42:25,710 --> 01:42:28,550    What I see ahead for myself is  to continue to transform. 2415 01:42:28,750 --> 01:42:30,890  To continue to evolve. 2416 01:42:31,090 --> 01:42:33,680  [announcer]   Please rise   for the national anthem. 2417 01:42:35,140 --> 01:42:36,890     Oh, say 2418 01:42:37,090 --> 01:42:41,060     Can you see... 2419 01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:43,860     By the dawn's 2420 01:42:44,060 --> 01:42:46,900     Early light 2421 01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:49,360  [Abdul-Rauf]  My greatest hope, 2422 01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:52,410     if I was to meet God one day, 2423 01:42:52,610 --> 01:42:55,040  and I'm sitting there  on Judgment Day, 2424 01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:58,540     and he says to me, "Mahmoud,  what do you have for me?" 2425 01:43:00,910 --> 01:43:02,340  Man, if I can say,      "I don't have nothing left, 2426 01:43:02,540 --> 01:43:04,420  I used everything  you gave me," 2427 01:43:04,620 --> 01:43:06,970  that's my greatest hope. 2428 01:43:07,170 --> 01:43:10,380  [rumbling tone] 2429 01:43:13,300 --> 01:43:16,100  [static whining] 2430 01:43:16,300 --> 01:43:18,510 2431 01:43:27,820 --> 01:43:29,860  [projector whirring] 2432 01:43:36,570 --> 01:43:39,290     Everything's changing   around me 2433 01:43:39,490 --> 01:43:41,880         And I wanna change too 2434 01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,130        There's one thing I know 2435 01:43:44,330 --> 01:43:46,800     It ain't cool   bein' no fool 2436 01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,130         I feel different today 2437 01:43:49,330 --> 01:43:52,050     I don't know   what else to say 2438 01:43:52,250 --> 01:43:54,760     But I'mma get   my shit together 2439 01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:56,810     It's now or never 2440 01:43:57,010 --> 01:43:59,350     Now or never,   now or never... 2441 01:44:00,930 --> 01:44:03,150     Ugh, I'm sick,   sick of waiting in vain 2442 01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:05,690        Tired of playin' the game,      thinkin' of makin' a change 2443 01:44:05,890 --> 01:44:07,980     Finally breakin'   the chains, every phase, 2444 01:44:08,190 --> 01:44:09,950     Every happenin', craze,   when it's said and done 2445 01:44:10,150 --> 01:44:11,780     My head is   right back in the haze 2446 01:44:11,980 --> 01:44:13,570     I'm ready  for the next chapter and page 2447 01:44:13,770 --> 01:44:15,580     To start actin' my age   and part ways 2448 01:44:15,780 --> 01:44:17,490     With Black Thought   from back in the days 2449 01:44:17,690 --> 01:44:19,700     I'm stargazin'       from the back of the stage 2450 01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:22,170         Questionin' if who y'all       praise is worthy of praise 2451 01:44:22,370 --> 01:44:24,170     What's the phrase,   "bygones is bygones" 2452 01:44:24,370 --> 01:44:26,800     Niggas who used to be   the underdog is icons 2453 01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,420        People say the light shines   once in a lifetime 2454 01:44:29,620 --> 01:44:32,680         Is this mid-life kind of  crisis a little bit like mine 2455 01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,850     I'm thinkin' not now,   but right now I need 2456 01:44:35,050 --> 01:44:37,140     Some kind of sign  that the future is bright now 2457 01:44:37,340 --> 01:44:38,970     I fuck around,   do the right thing 2458 01:44:39,170 --> 01:44:40,770     Like Spike now,   the quick and the dead 2459 01:44:40,970 --> 01:44:42,190     Which one is   my lookalike now? 2460 01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:44,190     I'm movin' ahead... 2461 01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:46,440 2462 01:45:16,340 --> 01:45:18,430 207623

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