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you can't unsee it.
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Especially as a Black young man,
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especially as an athlete,
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we're taught
to stay in a box.
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To be quiet.
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[reporter]
Investigators are claiming arson
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in the early-morning blaze at
the home of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.
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Abdul-Rauf believes the fire
was racially motivated.
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[Abdul-Rauf]
Mississippi burning.
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When it's all said and done,
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no one wants you
to criticize America.
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But, as James Baldwin says,
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that's a part
of being a patriot.
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[commentator]
Mahmoud, dribbles past two,
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and a two-pointer!
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[commentator 2] Mahmoud,
that's deep! It's good!
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[Shaquille O'Neal]
He wasn't good, he was great.
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{\an8} He wasn't great,
he was one of the greatest.
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{\an8} [commentator]
Mahmoud throws one up again.
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{\an8} Who was this dude
torching the Lakers?
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{\an8} [commentator]
Mahmoud pulls the trigger...
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It was this dude
that can't miss.
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[Polynice] I never saw
somebody shoot like that.
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That was Steph Curry,
before Steph Curry.
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The quickness, the creative
flair he had, the range.
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[commentator]
Mahmoud against Stockton,
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26 feet away.
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I don't know how many people
give him enough credit for
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his style of play.
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[Rose] To watch him
have Tourette syndrome
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and still destroy
the best players in the league,
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like, I used to sit back
and be laughing.
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[commentator]
Abdul-Rauf is on fire!
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I had no chance against Mahmoud.
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He was scoring 50
in a game.
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Just lighting it up.
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The greatest performance
I've seen ever.
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It looked like I was
watching God play basketball.
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[commentator] One second,
for the game! Yeah!
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[Dale Brown]
One of the greatest players
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in the history
of the NBA
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was cheated
out of his career.
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[reporter] The National
Basketball Association is
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in a standoff tonight
with a highly-paid player.
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This is the most notorious
figure in America.
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There were FBI agents having
to sit in the stands.
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[Abdul-Rauf] They're saying
it's a war on terrorism, I think
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that's a euphemism
for a war on Islam.
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Mahmoud never said
"I'm gonna burn the house down."
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[crowd booing]
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But the Klan burned
his house down.
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How about that?
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[static whining]
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I'm sick,
sick of waiting in vain
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Tired of playing the game,
thinking of making a change
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Finally breaking the chains,
every phase
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Every happening, craze,
when it's said and done
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My head is
right back in a haze
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I'm ready
for the next chapter and page
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To start acting my age
and part ways
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With Black Thought
from back in the days
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I'm stargazing
from the back of the stage
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Questioning if who y'all
praise is worthy of praise
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What's the phrase,
"bygones is bygones"?
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Niggas who used to be
the underdogs is icons
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People say the light shines
once in a lifetime
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Is this midlife kinda crisis
a little bit like mine?
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I'm thinking not now
but right now
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I need some kinda sign
that the future is bright now
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I fuck around, do the right
thing like Spike now
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The quick and the dead,
which one is
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my lookalike now?
I'm moving ahead
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Everything's changing
around me
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And I wanna
change too...
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[soft rolling waves]
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[Abdul-Rauf]
Junior high school.
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I remember that I was
walking towards the beach.
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And I remember seeing,
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as clear as
you see the sun outside,
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the Ku Klux Klan marching
down the beach.
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It was just mind-blowing to me,
you know, to see that.
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And I can remember,
as a child, wondering,
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"I wonder
who's under those masks.
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I wonder if it's someone
that I know,
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that I see every day," right?
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And most likely it is,
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and so you...
you knew that you...
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you had to tread softly.
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You had to play
the game.
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I grew up in a neighborhood
called Soria City.
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Four or five blocks
from the Gulf of Mexico,
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three blocks from
the train track which separated
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the Black neighborhood
from the white neighborhood.
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The ghettoes
in those neighborhoods
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don't look as nice.
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Old homes, shacks,
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it's definitely
a stark difference.
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Growing up in my situation,
without a father.
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Having a mother
that... you know,
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we all have our limitations,
and she had hers.
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You know, having
eighth grade education.
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Having to raise three boys,
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there's only so much
that she can do for you.
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She can't give you
what you never had.
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And so you're kind of
left to your own.
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{\an8} [David Jackson] I remember
when Chris would come home.
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{\an8} There were times
there was nothing to eat.
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{\an8} -[gunshot]
-I would grab
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{\an8} -my pellet gun.
-[gunshot]
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You know, I shot the squirrels,
cleaned 'em.
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-Shot doves, cleaned 'em.
-[gunfire]
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It wasn't shooting for fun.
It was shooting for survival.
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[Abdul-Rauf] As a child,
I mean, you adapt.
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So you don't really
understand it
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when you're living through it,
as you do when you get older
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and you go back,
and you'll be like, wow,
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we lived in this situation.
Day in and day out.
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Every day you wake up.
You see it.
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I grew up
in a religious family.
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Church on each corner
from where I stayed.
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And it was always, you know,
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preached to me,
the importance of not just
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praying for yourself, but pray
for others more than yourself.
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I used to have, periodically,
conversations asking people
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do you know
who my father is?
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My older brother's father
was white, I knew that.
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My younger brother's father,
I even saw him,
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he was an African-American guy.
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I was like,
why out of all your children,
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I'm the only one
that don't know?
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{\an8} And she never told me, still,
but she said, "He's white."
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{\an8} I can't say this.
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{\an8} I want to,
but I can't say it.
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But I wanna go there,
but I can't do it.
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[Abdul-Rauf] No one could
give me the answers.
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You know,
even up to this day,
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No one has been able
to give them to me.
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It's a void there.
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[David] It's a part
of you that you don't know,
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and the only thing
you can figure out is,
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okay, I know where I get
these traits from.
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You know, these come
from my mother,
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'cause I knew my mother.
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But the unknown part,
you say, okay,
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this... this hasn't...
could come from my father.
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Fourth grade,
I decided, man,
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I wanna be
the best basketball player
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there is in the world.
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Now, as a child,
you, ten years old,
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you don't know
how people are training,
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but in your mind-- "I gotta
train harder than anybody."
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[Leonard Bennett] He was a
little kid with a big red Afro.
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We came out
to 2nd Street Park,
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{\an8} and it was raining,
but like, "Man,
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{\an8} I guess I'll go back home,"
'cause it started raining.
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{\an8} He was like, "Man, I'm gonna
go out here and... shoot."
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"Go out and shoot where?"
He said, "Go out,
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shoot at 2nd Street Park."
I said, "Man, it's raining!"
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[thunder crashing]
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He had this thing in his head,
and this might sound crazy.
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He tried to hit
as many shots as he could
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before the raindrops
hit the ground.
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He had a crazy imagination
with that basketball.
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He had imaginary friends
out there.
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He would play against--
four-on-four,
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five-on-five, by himself,
with his imaginary friends
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on 2nd Street Park.
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Basketball for me, kind of...
and I know it sounds weird.
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It kind of took
the place of my father,
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because I spent
so much time on the court.
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Yeah, I wanna take care
of my mother, I wanna
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take care of people,
I wanna take care of my family.
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[clears throat]
But I was like,
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"Maybe, if I become so great...
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at what I'm doing...
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that, whoever he is...
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will wanna know me.
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And be a part of my life.
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So I had a chip
on my shoulder.
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The first time I noticed
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something was different
about me,
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I was...
in the third grade.
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I would get up
in the morning...
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and I'm always like...
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somethin' have
to feel right,
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or I couldn't go further.
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Like even getting
out of the bed.
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Every little piece of clothing.
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If I put my shirt on.
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Take it off.
It may take me 45 minutes
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just to be able to get dressed
and get out the house.
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[David] He would get down
and tie his shoe,
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and he would take it apart,
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and he would put it back on,
he'd say, "Man"...
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and he'd... just do it,
and just keep repeating it,
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over and over
and over, "Man!"
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[Jacqueline]
Open, closing, open, closing
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the refrigerator door.
I was just--
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"Shut the door,
and let it be."
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I would throw my arm.
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It would be painful.
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[echoing thuds]
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Popping my neck,
I mean, pain,
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to the point
where it feels like
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your skull is hitting
your brain,
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like you're about
to have an aneurysm.
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I don't know what it is.
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Uh, I was told by a doctor,
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and he said...
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"He has habits, literally.
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He has habits,
they come and they go."
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So, this is
what I would tell people.
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"Hey, what's wrong with you?"
I have habits.
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They come and they go.
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I'm looking into the mirror.
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I'm like,
"Please, God...
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please help me stop."
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I said, "Is this what people
see when they see me?
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I look like a monster."
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Somebody told me
at that age, they said,
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"God gives everybody
a strength and a weakness.
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But he gives you that strength
to overcome that weakness."
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You've given me basketball,
love of basketball,
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to calm this thing down.
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To give it a balance.
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[commentator]
Central Junior High
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basketball player
Chris Jackson is
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a super-player
with super talents.
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Chris, who can jam the ball,
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carries a 22-point
scoring average.
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He's probably one
of the most proficient shooters
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that I've ever had.
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I just go out and try my best.
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When I ended up
getting to high school,
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there was no question
that I wanted to be
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the best basketball player.
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I went to see him play
at Gulfport High.
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He had the ball,
he was surrounded
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by every last one of them.
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This kid went
through their legs,
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and I said,
Lord, holy Jesus!
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[chuckling]
I don't-- I couldn't believe it.
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[commentator]
A huge crowd showed up
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at Jackson State University
this evening.
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This young man
right here,
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Chris Jackson of Gulfport.
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[young Abdul-Rauf] I really
can't remember the first time
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I touched it,
but when I did,
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you know,
that was my love, you know?
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Just the idea of trying
to get it in that little hoop
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and, you know, and...
practicing so much
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I just grew to love it more.
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[interviewer]
You couldn't put that ball down.
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{\an8} I never could put it down.
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{\an8} [Bennett]
Lake Charles, Louisiana.
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{\an8} We go in the gym,
I mean, it's packed out.
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{\an8} Standing room only.
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Coach had this play,
if you wanna call it a play.
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This fist...
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and we just flattened out.
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Just go one-on-one,
one-on-one all game long.
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And we'd just
stand there and watch.
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We'd just watch the show,
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'cause there was
gonna be a show.
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Wound up hitting,
like, 55 in the game.
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[applause]
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He's certainly
the best offensive player
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I've ever coached
or ever seen
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in high school,
that's for sure.
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[cheering]
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[Abdul-Rauf]
My high school coach was
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Coach Jenkins, Bert Jenkins.
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He was a World War II veteran.
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He had his leg blown off,
and so he wore a peg leg.
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Very disciplined.
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No nonsense.
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[Bennett] We shot free throws
before practice.
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We had to shoot 25,
I think it was,
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and if you didn't miss,
you'd just keep going
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until you missed.
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[Gerald Austin] Chris got
started one day in particular...
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{\an8} one of the players
told me, said,
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{\an8} "I'm gonna go lie down,
take a nap,
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{\an8} wake me when it's over."
[laughing]
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{\an8} That's when he hit the 283.
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{\an8} [commentator]
Last year, Jackson led Gulfport
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to the state 5A
state championship,
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averaging
over 25 points a game,
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five and a half assists,
and three rebounds.
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The sports bible,
Smith & Streets,
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says Jackson is
the best high school guard
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in the United States
this year.
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You can imagine
how many colleges would like
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to see him play for them
next season.
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[Abdul-Rauf]
Basketball, I loved it,
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gave me something
to look forward to.
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At the same time,
everything had to feel perfect,
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and so it was literally...
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I thought I was
gonna die every day.
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Now, I could have
nine shots in row...
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if I relaxed one second...
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I gotta start over.
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If there's one glitch
in the move,
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I have to start over;
that drill
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of going through
ten shots may take me
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another hour,
hour and a half
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to make all ten straight in.
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But I would realize,
when I would work that hard,
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there would be
a moment when I--
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breathing so hard,
but then your breathing slows.
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Once it slows down
to a degree,
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there's this moment
where I'm totally still,
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and that's the most
peaceful time in my life.
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I live for those moments.
Those moments, for me,
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of stillness, are priceless.
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They're priceless.
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[echoing breathing]
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{\an8} [Owen Miller]
We were at a basketball camp
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{\an8} at Mississippi State.
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{\an8} My parents took us up there.
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{\an8} And our first night
in that dorm room,
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it was...
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excuse me...
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um, it was hard,
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watching him go to sleep.
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I guess the way
to describe it, it was like,
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somebody else was inside him,
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and he was
fighting this person.
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We knew
there was a problem.
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But we did not know what.
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We had a coach come in
to watch us practice,
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and after practice,
he said, "Coach, I notice
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Chris has got a little tick."
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"Well, yeah," I said,
doctors, they just told him
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it was something he'd outgrow,
and he said...
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"No, he won't."
He said, "I can tell you
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exactly what he's got,
he's got Tourette syndrome."
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And he said, "I know
because my son has it."
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Mrs. Jenkins was
taking me home
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one day after practice,
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and she basically asked me
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that my mother
would mind, right,
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if her and...
and Coach Jenkins
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saw to it that I went
and saw a doctor.
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[doctor]
When was the very first time
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you noticed
any kind of ticks?
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I would say the ninth...
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junior high,
ninth grade.
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Okay, and what was
the very first tick...
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that you had at that time?
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Um... um...
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I guess tapping on things
and stuff like that.
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Blinking, eyebrows,
moving my head,
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you know,
it was like that and stuff.
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[Abdul-Rauf]
He went straight to it, he said,
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"So, do you know
what's going on with you?"
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I said, "No, that's--
that's why I'm here."
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He said,
"You have Tourette syndrome."
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{\an8} Tourette syndrome is
a neurological disorder
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{\an8} that usually starts
in childhood,
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{\an8} but may persist
through adulthood.
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{\an8} They start having
involuntary movements
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{\an8} such as blinking,
facial grimacing,
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head jerking,
shoulder shrugging.
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They also have a variety
of behavioral problems
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such as obsessive-
compulsive disorder.
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In some ways, actually,
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those symptoms helped him
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to become a successful
basketball player.
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I can remember,
like yesterday, man,
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just feeling
a... ton of relief.
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Like, just a huge load was
taken off of my shoulders.
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There's a name for it?
And that it doesn't...
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doesn't mean
that I'm crazy?
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I was able to walk to school,
"I have Tourette syndrome."
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Right?
And say it proudly.
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[doctor]
Okay, just stand there.
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[Jacqueline] I didn't know
he had that problem,
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and once I realized it...
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made me cry.
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I cried many days.
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'Cause I'm hollering at my son
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for something
he couldn't control.
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[Abdul-Rauf] I was getting
letters from colleges
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all over the nation,
and a lot of that came
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as a result of going
to the Nike camp in Princeton.
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[commentator] Basketball is
the name of the game this week
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at Princeton University.
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Many college coaches
and NBA players
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are giving
firsthand instruction
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to the 110 blue chippers.
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[Abdul-Rauf]
Michael Jordan was there.
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I'm on the bottom row
of the bleachers.
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Just, out of nowhere,
he looks at me,
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says, "Come out here,
young fella."
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Said okay.
So I step out,
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and I'm at the top of the key.
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And he gives me the ball,
he says, "I want you
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to come at me
with everything you have."
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You know, and I'm sitting here,
like, man, this is...
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one of the moments
I've been waiting for.
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And I remember getting
a ball in my triple threat.
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I go between my legs,
and I lean.
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I cross him over,
I lay him up on the other side.
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And I remember,
when I sat down,
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the whole time
I'm sitting there,
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I said,
if I can do this on him,
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I'm onto something.
Like, all of this stuff--
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I've been doing this
since elementary.
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A lot of these moves.
Cross-over, bop-bop-bop.
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Working on this day-in
and day-out, consistently.
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And these moves are working.
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It's like, I'm not having
to change much of anything.
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[cheering]
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[Bennett] Once he became
a high school All-American,
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going to Tar City Heels was like
traveling with the Beatles.
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I mean,
those gyms was jam-packed.
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I don't care where we went,
it was jam-packed.
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[cheering]
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[Abdul-Rauf]
North Carolina...
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I'm looking at them
a little bit.
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And Georgetown and LSU also,
you know, I'm looking at them.
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[Dale Brown] The first time
I saw Chris Jackson,
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there was almost
an angelic look to him.
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He grew up in abject poverty.
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He had always
had a perpetual smile.
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00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,490
I don't wanna get dramatic,
but something spiritual
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about him,
just a good human being.
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[Abdul-Rauf] I said,
"I'm going to LSU,
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and that's my decision."
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[Brown] Everybody really
didn't know much about him.
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He was... from Mississippi,
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so didn't get as much publicity.
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[announcer]
6'1" freshman
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{\an8} from Gulfport, Mississippi,
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{\an8} #35, Chris Jackson.
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{\an8} [crowd roaring]
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{\an8} [Abdul-Rauf]
We go into Florida.
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{\an8} They're the number one team
in the SEC.
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{\an8} The stands are full to capacity.
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{\an8} -[commentator] Look at this.
-[commentator 2] They'd better
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{\an8} get in his face.
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{\an8} [Abdul-Rauf]
The game starts.
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{\an8} I just knew that
I just felt that I was
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{\an8} in the zone, but I didn't know
how good of a zone it was.
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{\an8} [commentator]
Pop through, dipsy-doo!
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{\an8} Oh, a fade-back, baby!
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Florida couldn't stop 'em,
they tried everything.
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They double-teamed,
they zoned, they pressed.
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[commentator] There's the new
record against Florida.
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Jackson has 53.
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He just went through 'em,
and just with ease.
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[Abdul-Rauf] After the game,
I'm going into the locker room,
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we're excited that we won.
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Craig Carse...
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00:19:49,460 --> 00:19:51,060
grabs me and shakes me.
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00:19:51,260 --> 00:19:53,350
"Man, you just
scored 53 points!
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They wanna see you
outside now!"
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When I came around that corner,
we just beat Florida.
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They give me
a standing ovation.
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Like, they're clapping.
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But now?
My feelings shift.
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I'm scared.
Because I'm saying to myself,
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man, this is
happening too fast.
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00:20:12,490 --> 00:20:14,040
I'm thinking
I'mma get hit by a train.
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I can't... I couldn't
embrace success.
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I couldn't enjoy it.
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'Cause I'm always looking
around a corner.
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00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,510
This is too good to be true.
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Things like this don't
happen to people like me.
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I got a target on my back.
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Can't rest,
can't be comfortable.
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00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,130
Gotta keep moving.
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00:20:31,930 --> 00:20:34,310
I'm fighting against fears.
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00:20:34,510 --> 00:20:36,350
I'm fighting
against feeling inadequate.
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00:20:36,550 --> 00:20:39,480
I'm fighting
against insecurities.
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I'm like, man,
I gotta make it.
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I gotta get through this,
or my life is over.
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[commentator]
Twenty-one seconds!
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-[whistle blowing]
-[crowd cheering]
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[commentator]
Feast your eyes on the freshman.
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{\an8} [crowd cheering]
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{\an8} [Shaquille O'Neal]
I'm signed with LSU.
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{\an8} One day, I'm in the house,
when there's--
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{\an8} LSU about to play Georgetown,
and I see him,
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Chris Jackson.
491
00:21:00,620 --> 00:21:02,170
And I'm like,
"What is that?"
492
00:21:02,370 --> 00:21:04,670
[commentator] And here is
Chris Jackson, #35.
493
00:21:06,130 --> 00:21:08,680
[Shaq] Smooth.
Jumping was smooth.
494
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,510
Had the pretty game.
495
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:12,590
[commentator]
Jackson, down in the middle.
496
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,180
And it looked like I was
watching God play basketball.
497
00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:19,650
[whistle blowing]
498
00:21:19,850 --> 00:21:22,190
[commentator chatter]
499
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:27,320
[Jalen Rose] I was still
in high school at the time
500
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,320
{\an8} and anticipating
going to college.
501
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,910
{\an8} I was being recruited.
502
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:32,870
{\an8} And I was like,
"Wait a minute...
503
00:21:33,070 --> 00:21:34,490
{\an8} he a freshman?"
504
00:21:35,450 --> 00:21:37,040
[reporter]
Chris Jackson is
505
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,830
one of the most talked-about
college freshmen
506
00:21:39,030 --> 00:21:40,830
to come along
in some time,
507
00:21:41,030 --> 00:21:44,170
and Sports Illustrated
released a special feature
508
00:21:44,370 --> 00:21:46,340
on the hotshot freshman
from Gulfport,
509
00:21:46,540 --> 00:21:49,550
with Chris
right smack on the cover.
510
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:51,930
Well, he was
almost the first one
511
00:21:52,130 --> 00:21:53,600
that was like
a miniature guy
512
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,680
that led the team in scoring.
513
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,730
'Cause usually the small guy,
his job was to be
514
00:21:57,930 --> 00:22:00,400
a traditional point guard,
set everybody else up.
515
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,900
So, he was something
that just jumped off the screen
516
00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:05,980
and had a crazy wow factor.
517
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,530
{\an8} I absolutely remember
when I first heard of
518
00:22:09,730 --> 00:22:11,030
{\an8} Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf,
519
00:22:11,230 --> 00:22:13,070
{\an8} and at that time
he was Chris Jackson,
520
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,320
{\an8} and he was
a superstar at LSU.
521
00:22:18,530 --> 00:22:20,540
{\an8} And he was by far
the most exciting player
522
00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:22,000
to watch
in the nation.
523
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,830
[crowd cheering]
524
00:22:26,540 --> 00:22:28,550
I was in high school
at that time,
525
00:22:28,750 --> 00:22:30,430
and that's the time
when you're looking
526
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:33,970
at these college guys
in a really aspirational way,
527
00:22:34,170 --> 00:22:35,760
'cause they're a step ahead
of you, and they're
528
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,640
{\an8} where you wanna be:
playing college basketball.
529
00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:42,270
{\an8} I just remember him
just being lethal
530
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:43,940
{\an8} from everywhere.
531
00:22:44,140 --> 00:22:45,730
{\an8} Just lighting it up.
532
00:22:45,930 --> 00:22:47,650
{\an8} I just wanted to see him
shoot all the time.
533
00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:49,820
[laughing]
534
00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:53,160
Pulling up from a few feet
and from half-court,
535
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:56,950
he was truly Steph Curry
before Steph Curry.
536
00:22:57,150 --> 00:22:58,870
[Steph Curry]
The creative flair he had,
537
00:22:59,070 --> 00:23:00,410
{\an8} range,
538
00:23:00,610 --> 00:23:02,120
{\an8} they try to make
those kind of
539
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,170
{\an8} correlations to the way
that I play now.
540
00:23:04,370 --> 00:23:06,960
{\an8} [commentator]
Steph for the win!
541
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,420
[cheering]
542
00:23:09,620 --> 00:23:11,590
Balance of, like,
inside, outside game.
543
00:23:11,790 --> 00:23:13,970
Handles, being able
to kind of just shoot
544
00:23:14,170 --> 00:23:16,220
at the drop of a dime.
545
00:23:17,260 --> 00:23:19,390
And we're... both
not the tallest guys.
546
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,810
He was kind of a pioneer
in that sense.
547
00:23:25,010 --> 00:23:26,480
I don't know
how many people give him
548
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,280
enough credit
for his style of play.
549
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,150
[crowd, chanting]
Four, three, two, one!
550
00:23:32,350 --> 00:23:34,570
[cheering]
551
00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:38,620
[Abdul-Rauf] The next year
I came back as a sophomore,
552
00:23:38,820 --> 00:23:40,570
and we brought in Shaquille.
553
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,500
Shaquille looked
like just a different type.
554
00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:48,040
This dude is hungry.
He's a beast.
555
00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:53,680
And then Stanley wasn't there
the first year,
556
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,550
so we had
these two 7'2" guys.
557
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:58,760
[commentator] Roberts for
two points, back into the game.
558
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,850
[cheering]
559
00:24:01,050 --> 00:24:03,020
[Rose] Stanley Roberts
and Shaquille O'Neal.
560
00:24:03,220 --> 00:24:06,310
The latter two gentlemen are
mountain of men.
561
00:24:06,510 --> 00:24:08,610
When you see
the build of Shaq...
562
00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:10,690
[commentator]
Inside O'Neal...
563
00:24:10,890 --> 00:24:13,530
That's how Stanley Roberts
was also built.
564
00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:15,530
[voice]
Good one, Stanley!
565
00:24:15,730 --> 00:24:18,030
And it wasn't no question who
the best player on the team was.
566
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:20,200
[commentator] Chris spins,
shoots the ball away...
567
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,200
[cheering]
568
00:24:23,410 --> 00:24:24,790
There was a professional
jealousy there
569
00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:26,210
with me and him.
570
00:24:26,410 --> 00:24:27,630
My last two years
in high school,
571
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:28,960
I was the man,
572
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,500
but then,
when you get to college,
573
00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:32,380
nah, you're not the man
anymore, brother.
574
00:24:32,580 --> 00:24:34,380
He is.
And it was just,
575
00:24:34,580 --> 00:24:36,510
"Hey, Chris, hey, Chris,
hey, Chris, hey, Chris."
576
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:38,510
Nobody said, "Hey, Shaq."
577
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:41,560
[Stanley Roberts] At that time,
those two just didn't vibe.
578
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,180
I was caught in the middle,
but my thing was,
579
00:24:44,380 --> 00:24:46,270
Chris was the man.
580
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:49,140
I mean, he was...
the show-stopper.
581
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,020
[whistle blowing]
582
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,240
When I say the term, it was like
watching God play basketball,
583
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,650
he shoots 100 shots,
he gonna make 90 of 'em.
584
00:25:04,990 --> 00:25:07,670
I'm in the gym door,
watching him,
585
00:25:07,870 --> 00:25:10,750
and he's stroking it,
bah-bah-bah-bah...
586
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:13,090
he's just shooting
and shooting and shooting.
587
00:25:13,290 --> 00:25:16,050
And he would get
to 97, 98, 99, and 100.
588
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:19,050
And if that 100 one wasn't
pretty, he'd start all over.
589
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:22,090
And I said, "Okay...
I wanna be that."
590
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,270
[Roberts] You'd hear him
come down and dribble the ball
591
00:25:25,470 --> 00:25:26,600
down the court,
and he'd go "Aah!"
592
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,100
and throw his head back,
593
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:29,400
and I used to ask him,
I was like,
594
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,270
when you make a move,
595
00:25:31,470 --> 00:25:33,570
and you do
a head-fake...
596
00:25:33,770 --> 00:25:35,240
is that the Tourette's,
597
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,030
or is that you actually
giving a head-fake?
598
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:40,280
It's hard to guard a guy
599
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,700
when he has that tick.
600
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,120
He didn't like
taking his medication.
601
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,040
He hated his medication.
602
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,710
Because he felt like
it brought his game down,
603
00:25:50,910 --> 00:25:54,040
so certain games,
he wouldn't take it.
604
00:25:55,380 --> 00:25:58,250
They ended up putting me
on Haldol.
605
00:26:00,090 --> 00:26:02,850
It was used
for psychopathic patients
606
00:26:03,050 --> 00:26:06,310
to basically calm them down.
607
00:26:06,510 --> 00:26:07,810
You were constantly
gaining weight,
608
00:26:08,010 --> 00:26:10,220
sleeping all the time;
you a zombie.
609
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:13,820
My first year at LSU,
I go from 172
610
00:26:14,020 --> 00:26:15,940
my freshman year, I'm 185.
611
00:26:17,020 --> 00:26:18,570
{\an8} He was especially concerned
612
00:26:18,770 --> 00:26:21,160
{\an8} about the side effects
of the Haldol.
613
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:23,030
{\an8} Drowsiness, weight gain,
614
00:26:23,230 --> 00:26:24,660
{\an8} those were some
of the side effects
615
00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:27,290
{\an8} that were of concern.
616
00:26:27,490 --> 00:26:29,160
{\an8} I still look back,
and I say, man, I...
617
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,830
{\an8} still hold the all-time
freshman scoring record
618
00:26:32,030 --> 00:26:35,800
{\an8} at 30.2 points a game.
Overweight.
619
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,090
I can only imagine
if I was in my playing weight.
620
00:26:38,290 --> 00:26:40,130
[crowd booing]
621
00:26:43,630 --> 00:26:45,600
Mississippi State...
622
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,520
when I headed
to the court,
623
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,140
as soon as
the fans saw my body,
624
00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:51,020
it was some
of the loudest boos
625
00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:52,690
I've ever heard in my life.
626
00:26:52,890 --> 00:26:54,770
[crowd booing]
627
00:26:54,970 --> 00:26:56,520
[booing continues]
628
00:26:56,730 --> 00:26:58,230
It's-- I thought
the booing was for me.
629
00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,940
I'm sure it was
for Chris Jackson.
630
00:27:00,150 --> 00:27:02,160
[crowd booing]
631
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,530
Mississippi State,
they were...
632
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:06,080
I'm not gonna throw
the R-word around,
633
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,200
-they were different.
-[crowd booing]
634
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,290
[Abdul-Rauf] And of course
you would hear people...
635
00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:14,000
you would hear people saying,
"Who's your daddy?"
636
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,800
[Shaq] Who's your dad?
Who's your dad?
637
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,510
So, I look
at Maurice, I'm like,
638
00:27:19,710 --> 00:27:20,970
"Who are they talking about?"
He said, "Yeah,
639
00:27:21,170 --> 00:27:23,090
Chris don't know
who his father is."
640
00:27:23,290 --> 00:27:24,760
They bothered him that game,
641
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,510
'cause Chris is
from Mississippi.
642
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:28,890
[Brown] "Who's your daddy?"
"Who's your daddy?"
643
00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:32,140
It was sickening,
preposterous,
644
00:27:32,340 --> 00:27:34,400
I could've regurgitated.
645
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,310
[Abdul-Rauf]
This was Mississippi State.
646
00:27:36,510 --> 00:27:39,230
There was no let-up,
and you can just feel...
647
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:41,820
in that area,
just the air of racism.
648
00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:44,240
[crowd booing]
649
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,570
[commentator] Look at that...
just ping-pong inside...
650
00:27:46,780 --> 00:27:48,370
and O'Neal...
651
00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:50,200
broken up
and stolen by LSU,
652
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,580
then right back to Burns
for the slam!
653
00:27:52,780 --> 00:27:54,500
[cheering]
654
00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:56,330
[Shaq] It was
a close game so, of course,
655
00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:57,710
Brown calls a timeout.
656
00:27:57,910 --> 00:27:59,210
All right,
so what're we gonna do?
657
00:27:59,410 --> 00:28:01,010
-[crowd chanting]
-Chris said, "Fuck that,
658
00:28:01,210 --> 00:28:04,220
gimme the ball,"
and when he says that,
659
00:28:04,420 --> 00:28:05,840
give it to him,
move out the way.
660
00:28:07,050 --> 00:28:09,350
[commentator] Eight point
Mississippi State lead.
661
00:28:09,550 --> 00:28:11,270
Jackson, count it!
662
00:28:11,470 --> 00:28:14,600
Jackson goes up--
unbelievable!
663
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,440
[commentator 2]
Uncanny, everybody knows
664
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,570
what he's gonna do,
and he still gets away with it.
665
00:28:18,770 --> 00:28:20,110
[commentator] Let's see
as he goes right to the three,
666
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:21,730
he's got two men
trailing him,
667
00:28:21,940 --> 00:28:23,490
there's the foul,
it didn't go,
668
00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:25,860
but Jackson will shoot
three free throws.
669
00:28:26,060 --> 00:28:28,200
I've never seen nothing like it.
670
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,870
Greatest performance
I've seen,
671
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:31,870
ever, in the history
of basketball.
672
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:33,830
[commentator] That's
39 points for him tonight.
673
00:28:34,030 --> 00:28:36,210
I done seen Jordan,
I done seen Barkley,
674
00:28:36,410 --> 00:28:39,000
I done seen Isaiah,
Magic, Kobe, Penny,
675
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,870
I ain't never
seen nothing like that.
676
00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:46,760
On the court,
showing his actions,
677
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,720
he was perfect,
but he was very shy.
678
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,720
He-- and he didn't
speak up a lot of times.
679
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,480
He didn't like confrontation.
680
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,770
People ask me all the time,
"What was he like?"
681
00:28:58,970 --> 00:29:02,280
And my answer is--
is very astonishing to people.
682
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,280
I don't know. Of course,
we saw each other in practice,
683
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,320
but after that
I never saw him.
684
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,870
You know,
I don't really go out,
685
00:29:09,070 --> 00:29:10,450
and that's what
I mainly do, you know,
686
00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:12,200
-my free time is--
-You don't go out?
687
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,080
I haven't been out
since I've been-- been to LSU.
688
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,080
I just stay in my room
and listen to music
689
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,080
and just relax.
690
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,500
I remember going in--
going in to Chris's room
691
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:24,550
during the day,
in between classes,
692
00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:27,260
and he was laying on his bed,
and he was reading
693
00:29:27,460 --> 00:29:29,550
The Autobiography
of Malcolm X.
694
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:32,310
Coach Dale Brown gave me
695
00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:33,930
the autobiography of Malcolm.
696
00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:36,680
I never heard of Malcolm
at that point.
697
00:29:36,890 --> 00:29:38,730
It's embarrassing for me
to even say that.
698
00:29:38,930 --> 00:29:40,270
And the moment
I started reading the book,
699
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:42,020
I couldn't put it down.
700
00:29:42,220 --> 00:29:44,070
I just became fascinated
with the person,
701
00:29:44,270 --> 00:29:46,030
how his mind worked.
702
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:48,150
I pray that you will grow
703
00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:51,160
intellectually,
so that you can understand
704
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,700
the problems of the world
and where you fit into,
705
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:56,000
in that world picture.
706
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,710
And I pray
that all of the fear
707
00:29:57,910 --> 00:30:00,210
that has ever been in your heart
will be taken out.
708
00:30:00,410 --> 00:30:03,290
[Abdul-Rauf] He was fearless
in speaking his mind.
709
00:30:03,490 --> 00:30:05,300
Seemed not to care
what people thought.
710
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:08,380
I didn't have that.
So, as I'm reading his life
711
00:30:08,580 --> 00:30:10,720
and being a Black man
and going through
712
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,550
his experiences with racism
and everything else,
713
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,350
and-- and then
showing that strength
714
00:30:16,550 --> 00:30:18,310
in front of everybody,
white people included,
715
00:30:18,510 --> 00:30:20,900
and I didn't see this
in my family, I'm like,
716
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:22,390
"Oh, this is different."
717
00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:30,240
I went home one day.
718
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,240
And, when I went home,
719
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,580
I'm in my mom's house,
and I open up the refrigerator,
720
00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:36,070
and it was, like, empty.
721
00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:39,450
So, I go into the bathroom.
722
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,790
And I lean on the sink,
the sink falls in.
723
00:30:47,170 --> 00:30:48,880
At that moment, all of...
724
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,590
this is just
coming down on me,
725
00:30:51,790 --> 00:30:53,260
man, you're eating
three meals a day,
726
00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:55,640
you're traveling,
got all of this going on,
727
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,680
and your mom
and your brother here, man.
728
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,770
Empty refrigerator,
tore-up house.
729
00:31:00,970 --> 00:31:03,860
I walked out that house, I said,
"Man, to hell with this!
730
00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:05,690
Damn it, I'm going,
I'm leaving!"
731
00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:08,440
I said, "I'm not coming back
to LSU! I'm going pro!"
732
00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:12,410
{\an8} My dream started back
coming up in Mississippi,
733
00:31:12,610 --> 00:31:14,700
{\an8} on the playgrounds,
when I used to play ball.
734
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:16,700
{\an8} Uh, hoping
that some-- someday,
735
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,120
{\an8} something like this would
happen for me...
736
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,460
{\an8} and... it's so close now,
and I'm excited about it,
737
00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:24,540
{\an8} and hopefully
everything will work out.
738
00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:27,920
{\an8} He had declared to the draft,
739
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,260
{\an8} and he asked me
to represent him,
740
00:31:30,460 --> 00:31:33,590
{\an8} and there were
some rumors going around
741
00:31:33,790 --> 00:31:36,140
{\an8} that, when he was at LSU,
742
00:31:36,340 --> 00:31:37,810
they had to take him
in the dressing room
743
00:31:38,010 --> 00:31:39,350
and lay him down on a table,
744
00:31:39,550 --> 00:31:42,100
in order to calm him down
at the half,
745
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:44,850
for him to go back out
on the court and play.
746
00:31:45,050 --> 00:31:47,150
[Abdul-Rauf] One of the guys
in Orlando asked me,
747
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:50,190
{\an8} he says, "So, do you think
Tourette's affects your play?"
748
00:31:50,390 --> 00:31:52,820
{\an8} Does it look like
it affects my play?
749
00:31:53,020 --> 00:31:55,280
{\an8} You were afflicted
with Tourette's syndrome?
750
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,490
{\an8} How do you think
that could affect, in any way,
751
00:31:57,690 --> 00:32:00,750
{\an8} the opinion
of the NBA scouts?
752
00:32:00,950 --> 00:32:04,000
If they don't understand what--
what Tourette's really is,
753
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,080
I think it can
affect them a great deal,
754
00:32:07,290 --> 00:32:10,090
but, uh, Tourette's,
something for me,
755
00:32:10,290 --> 00:32:12,010
I think
it's helped me if anything
756
00:32:12,210 --> 00:32:15,340
because it makes you wanna
do things over and over again.
757
00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:19,140
I wrote a letter
on behalf of Chris to the NBA
758
00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:21,180
that, in his case,
the Tourette syndrome
759
00:32:21,380 --> 00:32:23,350
should not interfere at all.
760
00:32:24,390 --> 00:32:27,100
[Eddie Miller] I took
that letter to Chicago,
761
00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:29,320
and when we got there,
I disseminated it
762
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,820
to all the teams.
763
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:33,480
{\an8} He went from 13th to three.
764
00:32:34,940 --> 00:32:38,830
{\an8} With the third pick
of the 1990 NBA draft...
765
00:32:39,030 --> 00:32:41,080
{\an8} the Denver Nuggets select
766
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,540
Chris Jackson from LSU!
767
00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:45,240
{\an8} [applause]
768
00:32:47,660 --> 00:32:49,170
{\an8} [Abdul-Rauf]
I was nervous, man, I was--
769
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:52,510
{\an8} I was, like...
I was grateful, I was happy,
770
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:54,720
{\an8} but I was also scared.
771
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,470
{\an8} Because it's that fear of
"something's gonna happen."
772
00:32:58,670 --> 00:33:00,140
[Abdul-Rauf] This is
like a dream come true for me,
773
00:33:00,340 --> 00:33:02,310
being here,
this is a great city,
774
00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:05,100
and I'm gonna do
whatever I can while I'm here
775
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:08,930
to, uh, try my best
and to make this team a winner.
776
00:33:17,860 --> 00:33:19,870
The off-season before Denver,
777
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:22,030
I was listening
to the wrong people.
778
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,580
They said, "Man,
when you go to that next level,
779
00:33:25,780 --> 00:33:27,420
oh, you're gonna have
to pick up some weight."
780
00:33:27,620 --> 00:33:29,210
[reporter] What about
the critics who say that
781
00:33:29,410 --> 00:33:30,750
Chris Jackson needs
to fill out--
782
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:33,090
he needs
to physically mature--
783
00:33:33,290 --> 00:33:34,920
a couple more years,
at least another year,
784
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,420
before he's ready
to come out?
785
00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:39,260
Well, um, I know,
786
00:33:39,460 --> 00:33:40,600
mentally and physically,
787
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,760
{\an8} I need to,
you know, improve.
788
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:46,060
{\an8} Especially going
into the NBA, you know?
789
00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:48,440
{\an8} And, uh, I think that...
790
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,100
{\an8} I need to get
on the weights some
791
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:51,980
{\an8} and get a little stronger,
of course.
792
00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:53,940
And so what I did,
I began to eat.
793
00:33:54,140 --> 00:33:56,400
I was working out,
but I wasn't working out
794
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,030
as hard, because
I'm trying to gain weight.
795
00:33:59,230 --> 00:34:00,870
And I ended up going to Denver,
796
00:34:01,070 --> 00:34:03,200
back to where I was
my first year at LSU,
797
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,120
like 180-something pounds.
798
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,870
But this time
I was 19% body fat.
799
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:11,540
Denver now,
it's snowing, it's gloomy,
800
00:34:11,740 --> 00:34:13,250
I'm not accustomed to that.
801
00:34:13,450 --> 00:34:15,750
So I became depressed.
802
00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:20,130
[commentator]
Chris Jackson just cannot
803
00:34:20,330 --> 00:34:21,970
{\an8} find the hoop.
804
00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:23,470
{\an8} [Bernie Bickerstaff]
Because of the weight,
805
00:34:23,670 --> 00:34:25,470
{\an8} he had lost his quickness.
806
00:34:25,670 --> 00:34:29,270
{\an8} That really hindered who he was
as a basketball player.
807
00:34:29,470 --> 00:34:31,560
{\an8} Because that skill set was gone.
808
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,610
{\an8} He was basically slow-mo.
809
00:34:33,810 --> 00:34:35,320
{\an8} [commentator] Westhead said
in the locker room
810
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,780
{\an8} following the game,
Jackson was
811
00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:39,900
doubled over
with exhaustion.
812
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:42,070
I was-- I was
really tired last night.
813
00:34:42,270 --> 00:34:44,620
I had to keep pulling
myself out some, but...
814
00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:46,410
it's gonna take some time
for me to get adjusted
815
00:34:46,610 --> 00:34:48,660
to the running style.
816
00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:51,960
[Abdul-Rauf] Paul Westhead
wanted a run-and-gun system.
817
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,040
And I could remember him
telling us that he wants to be
818
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:56,000
the first coach
in the history of the NBA
819
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,510
that scores 200 points,
not win a championship,
820
00:34:58,710 --> 00:35:00,420
not win--
have a winning season,
821
00:35:00,630 --> 00:35:02,180
but to score 200 points.
822
00:35:02,380 --> 00:35:04,140
Win or lose,
823
00:35:04,340 --> 00:35:08,350
our opponents will be
very, very tired.
824
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:10,690
Now, I'm out of shape,
and his training camps
825
00:35:10,890 --> 00:35:12,600
were such that
we would have tour days,
826
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,060
and you probably have
827
00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:16,140
a 20-second
water break one time.
828
00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:19,320
You know, we can't
get down on each other,
829
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,450
and sometimes
a situation occurs
830
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:23,280
where, you know,
things are not going well.
831
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,780
I don't see any substance
in that, I, um...
832
00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:27,370
you know, everyone's...
833
00:35:27,570 --> 00:35:29,530
kind of sees things
differently, I guess.
834
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,790
[Abdul-Rauf]
Going through depression,
835
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:34,380
anxiety, stress,
836
00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:36,380
having Tourette syndrome...
837
00:35:36,580 --> 00:35:38,170
I was miserable.
838
00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:41,170
We would look at him,
and... we would giggle.
839
00:35:41,370 --> 00:35:43,300
And he'd give us...
840
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:45,220
{\an8} give us a look right there,
but always smiled.
841
00:35:45,420 --> 00:35:47,300
{\an8} It never bothered him.
And I'm sure it did.
842
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:49,050
{\an8} 'Cause it would bother me.
843
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:51,680
{\an8} [Walter Davis]
I would apologize to him
844
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,310
{\an8} for laughing, you know.
845
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:56,360
{\an8} I said, "Some of the things
you do is funny."
846
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,940
And he said,
"I'm not trying to be funny."
847
00:36:00,140 --> 00:36:02,360
I don't think
the teammates were educated.
848
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,660
[Keith Glass]
They viewed him as a joke
849
00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:07,070
or as out of control.
850
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,200
I mean, what kind of
an environment is that?
851
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,830
You gotta sit down
and educate your team.
852
00:36:14,490 --> 00:36:17,170
{\an8} Fans would say
just horrible things,
853
00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:18,920
{\an8} and they would always be
just out of reach,
854
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,840
{\an8} but, you know,
"Hey, stop twitching!
855
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,510
{\an8} You're freaking my wife out!"
856
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:24,050
{\an8} You know, things like
that would come down,
857
00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:27,340
and, you know,
you can hear everything.
858
00:36:28,340 --> 00:36:30,430
[Abdul-Rauf]
And I'm counting my money,
859
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:32,390
'cause I'm saying to myself,
860
00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:34,100
I don't even know
if I wanna do this anymore.
861
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:38,770
He was a devout Christian.
862
00:36:38,970 --> 00:36:40,940
Had that Bible
on the airplane,
863
00:36:41,140 --> 00:36:43,400
he'd read it, underline.
864
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,530
Time goes on.
865
00:36:45,730 --> 00:36:47,780
And I get a call
from the Rocky Mountain News.
866
00:36:47,980 --> 00:36:51,870
He said, "Here's a quote
by the general manager.
867
00:36:52,070 --> 00:36:54,790
If Chris Jackson's
gonna make it in the NBA,
868
00:36:54,990 --> 00:36:58,170
he'd better pick up a basketball
instead of his Bible."
869
00:36:58,370 --> 00:37:01,380
Our concern was,
"Hey, you have an obligation
870
00:37:01,580 --> 00:37:03,840
to play basketball,
that's-- that's why you're here.
871
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,760
So, hopefully that doesn't
hinder what you're here for."
872
00:37:10,050 --> 00:37:12,310
[Abdul-Rauf] At that time,
I was having issues
873
00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:14,100
with my faith.
874
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,390
I didn't always have
my Bible on me.
875
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,980
I didn't even take
the Bible on the road with me.
876
00:37:20,180 --> 00:37:22,860
I was saying that
I was a Christian, right?
877
00:37:23,060 --> 00:37:25,360
For... the public.
878
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,030
But I was searching.
879
00:37:28,820 --> 00:37:31,330
It began to bother me
because I'm just thinking
880
00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:33,910
about the ideology
in and of itself,
881
00:37:34,110 --> 00:37:36,790
and, after asking questions
time and again,
882
00:37:36,990 --> 00:37:39,580
hearing the same old response,
either you just gotta believe,
883
00:37:39,780 --> 00:37:41,170
or you can't question God,
884
00:37:41,370 --> 00:37:42,840
and to me,
that was unacceptable.
885
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,260
I said, "You know what?
God gives us a mind
886
00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:46,960
to think with."
887
00:37:47,590 --> 00:37:50,590
And one day, I was talking
to a friend of mine.
888
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,510
Islam came up
in conversation.
889
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:55,470
And I said,
"You're interested in Islam?"
890
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:57,640
He said, "Yeah, you?"
I said, "Yeah, man,
891
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,850
I've never looked
into it deeply,
892
00:38:00,050 --> 00:38:02,110
but I've been reading
the autobiography of Malcolm,"
893
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:03,980
and his life intrigued me.
894
00:38:04,180 --> 00:38:05,900
And he said that there's
a masjid on Evans Street
895
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:07,860
in Denver that we can go
and pick up the Quran.
896
00:38:08,060 --> 00:38:09,900
I said, "Let's go."
897
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,070
[soft singing in Arabic]
898
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,160
And so we got to the masjid,
and there was
899
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,120
this Muslim brother
tending to the garden.
900
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,880
We went in the basement,
he gave us the Quran.
901
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,120
I went back home,
I opened up two or three pages.
902
00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:28,630
And I looked
across the table.
903
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,590
I said, "Man,
I don't know about you.
904
00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:33,590
My search is over,
I'm gonna be a Muslim."
905
00:38:36,590 --> 00:38:38,390
[Mahershala]
I think every conversion
906
00:38:38,590 --> 00:38:40,810
is sort of a breadcrumb
for your own.
907
00:38:42,140 --> 00:38:43,980
And seeing those journeys
908
00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:45,730
and the things
that spark those things
909
00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:49,570
was something that I always
found really interesting.
910
00:38:49,770 --> 00:38:51,240
I grew up in church,
and my mom's
911
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,990
an ordained minister,
but I was really
912
00:38:54,190 --> 00:38:57,080
questioning why I believed
what I believed.
913
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,500
And I didn't have
good answers
914
00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:00,210
for why I believed
what I believed.
915
00:39:00,410 --> 00:39:02,330
But the best answer I had,
and I started calling it
916
00:39:02,530 --> 00:39:05,500
"mama faith," was because,
when I got down to it,
917
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:07,250
it was really me
918
00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:09,720
following in line
with what my family did.
919
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,720
[man speaking distantly]
920
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,300
I knew about Muhammad Ali,
921
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:17,720
to reading about
Malcolm X's conversion,
922
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,810
to Mahmoud's conversion.
923
00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:23,060
And then as I began
to educate myself
924
00:39:23,260 --> 00:39:26,650
to some degree,
landing on how Islam...
925
00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:29,280
described
the relationship to God
926
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,030
and God's
relationship to man,
927
00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:32,910
that just made sense to me.
928
00:39:33,110 --> 00:39:36,320
[singing Muslim prayer]
929
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,320
[all reciting]
930
00:39:41,790 --> 00:39:43,210
[Abdul-Rauf]
All of this occurred
931
00:39:43,410 --> 00:39:44,880
right at the end
of my rookie year.
932
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,290
[speaking Arabic]
933
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:49,090
[Abdul-Rauf]
And at the end of that year,
934
00:39:49,290 --> 00:39:52,380
I embraced Islam,
and my life changed.
935
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,300
I don't know if you ever
had this experience...
936
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:59,060
it's like all the questions
I had, you know,
937
00:39:59,260 --> 00:40:01,390
we talk about intuition
and all of that.
938
00:40:01,590 --> 00:40:03,730
It was a calmness,
it was a certainty
939
00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:05,560
that I never felt in my life.
940
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:09,570
And the more that I read,
the more I engaged,
941
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:12,900
the more it solidified
the strength in what I believe.
942
00:40:14,070 --> 00:40:17,320
And to test my knowledge,
to test my views,
943
00:40:17,530 --> 00:40:19,290
to see where people are,
944
00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:22,000
and then there's a constant
back-and-forth with learning,
945
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,660
and then,
after the confidence grows,
946
00:40:23,860 --> 00:40:25,500
you develop courage now.
947
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:28,710
So there's always this push
to work on yourself.
948
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:30,500
Then I start training.
949
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:32,170
Then, before you know it,
950
00:40:32,370 --> 00:40:34,300
I had lost
about 40 pounds total.
951
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:36,880
Got down
to my playing weight.
952
00:40:38,340 --> 00:40:39,890
[Bennett]
He wanted to mirror Malcolm X
953
00:40:40,090 --> 00:40:41,560
at that point in time
in his life.
954
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,480
Pulling hisself up
by the strap of his boots
955
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,690
when he was down,
and making sure
956
00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:47,730
that his legacy wasn't
gonna be a bust.
957
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:49,360
{\an8} [commentator] Chris Jackson,
this is the first time
958
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,030
{\an8} seeing him this year,
how thin he is.
959
00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:53,530
{\an8} He has lost a ton of weight.
960
00:40:53,730 --> 00:40:56,030
{\an8} [crowd roaring]
961
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:58,530
He got back
to being who he was
962
00:40:58,730 --> 00:41:00,280
and what got him
to this point
963
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,540
of being drafted in the NBA.
964
00:41:03,740 --> 00:41:05,710
[Hastings] He comes back
and he is a pro athlete.
965
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:07,540
I mean, he's got
a pro athlete body.
966
00:41:07,740 --> 00:41:09,880
He was lean.
He was quicker.
967
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,880
He put some serious time in.
968
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,470
[Abdul-Rauf]
Dan Issel comes in next year.
969
00:41:14,670 --> 00:41:16,880
Before training camp,
Dan sits me down.
970
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,220
He said,
"I just want you to know...
971
00:41:19,420 --> 00:41:21,220
those previous years are
in the past.
972
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:22,720
It's a new slate.
973
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,310
As far as I'm concerned,
974
00:41:24,510 --> 00:41:26,230
you're the guy,
it's yours to lose."
975
00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:28,730
[commentator] Here is
Jackson for three-- got it!
976
00:41:28,930 --> 00:41:30,560
[crowd cheering]
977
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:31,900
[Abdul-Rauf] This is
where I wanted to be,
978
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:33,570
and this is where
979
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:35,400
I plan on being for a while,
980
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,610
and just, uh...
enhancing the team
981
00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:39,940
as much as possible,
and myself.
982
00:41:40,610 --> 00:41:42,950
[Ice Cube] Who is this dude
torching the Lakers?
983
00:41:43,150 --> 00:41:46,040
Like, who is this dude
that can't miss?
984
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,420
[commentator]
Jackson for the three-- yes!
985
00:41:48,620 --> 00:41:49,920
{\an8} It's not just the shot,
986
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,210
{\an8} it's the dribble skills,
the handles,
987
00:41:54,670 --> 00:41:56,420
{\an8} The all-around game.
988
00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:00,050
{\an8} Chris went out,
got himself in great shape.
989
00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:01,890
{\an8} Lost about 23 pounds.
990
00:42:02,090 --> 00:42:03,260
And he has been terrific
991
00:42:03,460 --> 00:42:05,430
from the first day
of training camp.
992
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:07,850
He's one of the best
free throw shooters in history.
993
00:42:08,050 --> 00:42:09,560
Dan Issel puts him
in the starting lineup,
994
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,060
and he just seemed
to have gotten it.
995
00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:14,270
There was a time
where I felt like
996
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,780
he had a chance to be
the best guard in the league.
997
00:42:16,980 --> 00:42:18,280
Between the legs,
behind the back,
998
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,530
zoom-zoom-zoom-zoom-zoom.
999
00:42:20,730 --> 00:42:23,280
Pump fake it,
everybody flying by.
1000
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,120
[commentator]
...Jackson, here he is!
1001
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,370
For three and the game!
1002
00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:29,870
[crowd roaring]
1003
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,290
[commentator]
What a way to go!
1004
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,300
[Abdul-Rauf] That's when I had
the 19-point-something a game.
1005
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:41,510
And then I got
Most Improved in the NBA.
1006
00:42:41,710 --> 00:42:43,850
If it wasn't for Allah
1007
00:42:44,050 --> 00:42:47,140
and to have gone through
what I have gone through...
1008
00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:49,440
and to be touched by Him.
1009
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,440
I mean, I literally
would be out the NBA.
1010
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,270
[Krieger] Issel with his arm
around Chris Jackson
1011
00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:58,270
became a-- sort of an iconic
picture from that year.
1012
00:43:02,110 --> 00:43:04,400
[soft chatter]
1013
00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:07,200
[knocking on door]
1014
00:43:09,740 --> 00:43:11,170
Welcome home, Mama.
1015
00:43:11,370 --> 00:43:13,670
[delighted screams, laughter]
1016
00:43:13,870 --> 00:43:15,620
[applause]
1017
00:43:16,620 --> 00:43:19,170
This definitely was
a dream for me.
1018
00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:21,800
Growing up, this was
one of the first things
1019
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,510
I wanted to accomplish,
was get my mom a new home
1020
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:26,760
and to where
she could say, "It's mine."
1021
00:43:28,930 --> 00:43:31,270
I can feel it
like it was yesterday.
1022
00:43:31,470 --> 00:43:33,020
I was showing her
all around the house,
1023
00:43:33,220 --> 00:43:35,110
and... you know,
1024
00:43:35,310 --> 00:43:37,020
furniture
and how things were
1025
00:43:37,220 --> 00:43:40,110
and... when it was over,
1026
00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:42,030
you know,
I walked outside.
1027
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:43,940
And I told her
I loved her.
1028
00:43:45,150 --> 00:43:47,370
And I thanked her
1029
00:43:47,570 --> 00:43:49,040
for all the things
1030
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,500
that she's done for us.
1031
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:54,040
And on my way back,
1032
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:55,670
I literally told myself,
1033
00:43:55,870 --> 00:43:57,790
"If I died right now...
1034
00:43:59,670 --> 00:44:01,130
I'm satisfied."
1035
00:44:05,170 --> 00:44:08,350
And at that point,
so many things were happening.
1036
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:10,270
I had already
become a Muslim.
1037
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:11,980
And I remember being
in the masjid,
1038
00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:14,390
and I heard the imam say,
"If you have the means,
1039
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,060
you must preparations
1040
00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:18,650
to go to hajj.
To Mecca."
1041
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,570
{\an8} It was an experience
of a lifetime for me.
1042
00:44:23,770 --> 00:44:25,200
{\an8} When I got back,
I remember
1043
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,570
{\an8} going into the office
of the imam.
1044
00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:29,820
{\an8} They said, "Well,
have you chosen a name?"
1045
00:44:30,990 --> 00:44:32,410
I said, "No."
1046
00:44:32,610 --> 00:44:34,410
I said, "I only know
a few names."
1047
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:37,330
You know, the Muhammad Ali's,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's.
1048
00:44:37,530 --> 00:44:40,000
And they said,
"Mahmoud is a good name."
1049
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,590
And the other guy said,
I think, "I heard
1050
00:44:41,790 --> 00:44:43,210
Abdul-Rauf" is a good name.
1051
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,170
Mahmoud is
"elegant and praiseworthy."
1052
00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:50,930
And Abdul-Rauf,
1053
00:44:51,130 --> 00:44:53,140
Abdul is "the servant of,"
1054
00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:55,140
al-Rauf,
"the most kind."
1055
00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:57,850
{\an8} And so they started calling me
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.
1056
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,360
{\an8} [commentator] 6'1" guard
from Louisiana State,
1057
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,860
{\an8} #3, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.
1058
00:45:06,610 --> 00:45:08,570
{\an8} And that was
a big story also, you know?
1059
00:45:08,770 --> 00:45:09,990
"What do you mean,
changes his name?"
1060
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:11,450
People in the early '90s
1061
00:45:11,650 --> 00:45:13,370
didn't understand that stuff.
1062
00:45:13,570 --> 00:45:15,290
[Shaq] My thing was,
"Hey, man, your mama
1063
00:45:15,490 --> 00:45:17,170
named you Chris,
I'm calling you Chris."
1064
00:45:17,370 --> 00:45:19,670
Like, what's up, Chris Jackson?
"Mahmoud, my brother,"
1065
00:45:19,870 --> 00:45:21,460
and he was serious,
so after that,
1066
00:45:21,660 --> 00:45:23,250
I would never call him
Chris again.
1067
00:45:25,380 --> 00:45:26,800
[Abdul-Rauf]
To many African-Americans,
1068
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,640
our names are not our names.
1069
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,260
They have a legacy
that comes from slavery.
1070
00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:34,930
When you deny a person
1071
00:45:35,130 --> 00:45:37,230
just the common decency
to respect the fact
1072
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:39,310
that they're calling
themselves by another name,
1073
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:41,940
to us, is very offensive.
1074
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:43,820
You know,
once he became a Muslim,
1075
00:45:44,020 --> 00:45:45,740
it was like,
"Oh, he's a terrorist!"
1076
00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:47,990
You know,
that's the go-to move.
1077
00:45:48,190 --> 00:45:50,160
[Bennett]
They didn't take to it at all.
1078
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,410
Some people was, you know,
still calling him Chris
1079
00:45:52,610 --> 00:45:54,620
just to piss him off.
1080
00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:56,540
[Rose]
In the United States of America,
1081
00:45:56,740 --> 00:45:58,790
people take that
way too personal.
1082
00:45:58,990 --> 00:46:01,380
This is my body,
my being, my temple.
1083
00:46:01,580 --> 00:46:03,880
My name.
My religion.
1084
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,800
If I choose to change it
from Cassius Clay
1085
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,970
to Muhammad Ali,
it gets treated different.
1086
00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:11,890
If I change it
from Lew Alcindor
1087
00:46:12,090 --> 00:46:15,140
to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
he gets treated different.
1088
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:19,310
[Mahershala] I've always been
quietly fascinated
1089
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:22,400
by people making
huge life changes.
1090
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,690
Like, you know,
I'mma put down this thing
1091
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:26,230
that makes me excellent,
1092
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,110
and I'm actually going
to, like...
1093
00:46:29,310 --> 00:46:32,990
spend the bulk of my time
in service to God.
1094
00:46:35,490 --> 00:46:37,330
[Abdul-Rauf] The transition
that I was going through,
1095
00:46:37,530 --> 00:46:40,210
I mean, I was wearing
shalwar kameezes
1096
00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:41,880
with combat boots,
1097
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,540
kufi hat,
miswak in my mouth,
1098
00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:46,800
thinking those cultural things
1099
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,220
makes you more of a Muslim,
1100
00:46:48,420 --> 00:46:49,630
'cause I was going
through changes.
1101
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:53,010
[Shaheed Ali] I think
with Mahmoud, he took
1102
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:54,850
some of the traditional...
1103
00:46:55,050 --> 00:46:56,390
values of Islam,
1104
00:46:56,590 --> 00:46:58,550
and it kinda rubbed people
the wrong way.
1105
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,400
[Miller] I wanna say
it was at a Gulfport High
1106
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,570
basketball game,
and Mahmoud came back.
1107
00:47:06,770 --> 00:47:09,280
My mother was here,
and I know Ms. Lil was here.
1108
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,450
They went to hug him.
1109
00:47:11,650 --> 00:47:15,080
And he stopped them, he said,
"I'm sorry, I can't touch you."
1110
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,490
Hoo, that really stirred
some things up.
1111
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,250
[Shaheed]
In the Muslim culture,
1112
00:47:22,450 --> 00:47:23,880
moreso in the Middle East,
1113
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,380
and in certain parts of Africa,
1114
00:47:25,580 --> 00:47:27,210
you're not supposed
to touch a woman
1115
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:30,260
that's not your wife
or close family member.
1116
00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:32,470
Because of a lot
of the sexual desires
1117
00:47:32,670 --> 00:47:34,340
in the window of the soul,
you should just
1118
00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:36,720
try to refrain,
stay away from that.
1119
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,270
That's more tradition
1120
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:40,270
and not really
part of the religion.
1121
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:42,390
Even the Christians
and the Jews
1122
00:47:42,590 --> 00:47:45,610
in that part of the world,
they adopt that social practice.
1123
00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:47,860
When Mahmoud first
come into Islam,
1124
00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:50,070
there was so much information
coming to him,
1125
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:52,690
that a lot of stuff,
he had to evolve from.
1126
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,910
[Miller]
Ms. Lil took him to Houston
1127
00:47:56,110 --> 00:47:58,540
and cared for him,
and how he can't touch her?
1128
00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:00,370
That got around,
1129
00:48:00,570 --> 00:48:03,750
and that's when a lot of people
turned on him.
1130
00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:05,710
[reporter] Jackson is aware
his conversation has
1131
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:08,340
caused hard feelings
among some hometown friends
1132
00:48:08,540 --> 00:48:11,510
in Mississippi, but he says
that's not important.
1133
00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:13,970
I'm just trying
to live my best for Allah
1134
00:48:14,170 --> 00:48:16,090
and, uh, do the best I can.
1135
00:48:16,290 --> 00:48:18,010
And I can't worry
about material things
1136
00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:19,890
or what people say
or think about me.
1137
00:48:20,090 --> 00:48:21,550
I'm living for God.
1138
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,600
I guess that type of behavior
1139
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,900
is not normal
with NBA athletes.
1140
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:30,520
Used to us going out,
gambling.
1141
00:48:31,110 --> 00:48:33,320
I'm just trying to learn, man,
I'm trying to be a part
1142
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:34,900
of something bigger.
1143
00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:40,490
You're obligated to pray,
as a Muslim, five prayers.
1144
00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:45,170
And a Muslim's life is
arranged around...
1145
00:48:45,370 --> 00:48:47,290
not your work,
not all of that, it's like,
1146
00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:50,340
okay, prayer supposed to be
coming in at this time.
1147
00:48:50,540 --> 00:48:52,010
Where am I gonna be?
1148
00:48:52,210 --> 00:48:53,420
'Cause I wanna make sure
1149
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:55,090
I'm conscientious
of those times.
1150
00:48:56,550 --> 00:48:58,510
There's fasting.
Voluntary fasting.
1151
00:48:58,710 --> 00:49:00,760
Not just doing
a month of Ramadan.
1152
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,020
Also, you have
the Tahajjud prayer,
1153
00:49:03,220 --> 00:49:05,310
the night prayer,
where you break your sleep.
1154
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:08,270
It's-- none of it is stuff
that you publicize.
1155
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:11,100
So, all of those things
we try to do.
1156
00:49:13,110 --> 00:49:16,200
I'll never forget,
one time I came into your room,
1157
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,820
where clearly
you was trying to pray.
1158
00:49:18,020 --> 00:49:19,070
-You was trying to do...
-[laughing]
1159
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:20,700
I'm knocking
all on the door.
1160
00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:22,240
I didn't really understand,
1161
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,620
and you was like,
"Man, you know what?
1162
00:49:24,820 --> 00:49:27,170
-Come on in, man."
-[laughing]
1163
00:49:27,370 --> 00:49:29,840
[Hastings] I remember he had
his prayer rug with him,
1164
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,460
go out, disappear,
boom-boom-boom.
1165
00:49:32,660 --> 00:49:35,090
Then he would come out and,
you know, drop 30 on 'em.
1166
00:49:35,290 --> 00:49:38,180
[commentator]
Mahmoud from way downtown!
1167
00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:40,100
That is a triple.
1168
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:42,140
[Rose] I got a chance
to play with him as a rookie,
1169
00:49:42,340 --> 00:49:44,470
and he was
the opposite of myself.
1170
00:49:44,670 --> 00:49:47,230
-[crowd roaring]
-[whistle blowing]
1171
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:49,100
{\an8} I was the member
of the Fab Five.
1172
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:51,360
{\an8} I was loud, I was brash.
1173
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,070
{\an8} He was quiet.
He was subdued.
1174
00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:56,150
{\an8} And he was meticulous.
1175
00:49:57,150 --> 00:49:58,740
He was crazy competitive.
1176
00:49:58,940 --> 00:50:00,660
And he wanted to go
at John Stockton
1177
00:50:00,860 --> 00:50:03,240
{\an8} and Karl Malone,
because John Stockton
1178
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,580
{\an8} broke the assist record.
1179
00:50:04,780 --> 00:50:06,160
{\an8} [crowd roaring]
1180
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,750
{\an8} [commentator]
Stockton with the ball--
1181
00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:09,540
and it's taken away
by Abdul-Rauf.
1182
00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:11,040
They'll never catch him.
All the way for a layup.
1183
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:12,880
Score! Rauf...
1184
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,670
As an athlete, you try to be
1185
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:16,920
in those zones as much as
humanly possible.
1186
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,670
And that was
definitely one of 'em.
1187
00:50:21,220 --> 00:50:22,760
{\an8} [commentator]
Tonight, McNichols Arena
1188
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,930
{\an8} in the Mile-High City
is jam-packed
1189
00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:27,310
{\an8} to see the NBA's
number one roadshow,
1190
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:30,480
{\an8} the Chicago Bulls,
take on the Denver Nuggets.
1191
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,060
You know about
the Bulls' 41-3 record.
1192
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:35,780
The Nuggets, meanwhile,
struggling, 18-26.
1193
00:50:35,980 --> 00:50:39,070
But they are looking to step up
to the best in the NBA.
1194
00:50:40,570 --> 00:50:42,320
[Rose] When you're playing
against the Bulls,
1195
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:43,780
it's lights-camera-action.
1196
00:50:43,980 --> 00:50:45,160
But they ain't
coming to watch you.
1197
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,580
They coming to watch Mike
1198
00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:49,120
and Scottie
and Dennis Rodman.
1199
00:50:50,410 --> 00:50:53,130
[commentator] And the tap
controlled by the Nuggets.
1200
00:50:53,330 --> 00:50:55,800
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf sets it up.
1201
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,840
My focus was,
I'm gonna try to, like,
1202
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,630
even moreso
annihilate you early.
1203
00:50:59,830 --> 00:51:01,590
["Charge" horns blaring]
1204
00:51:01,790 --> 00:51:04,300
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf-- on three!
1205
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:07,470
Mahmoud got
this little look on his face.
1206
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:10,730
I was like...
Mahmoud taking it personal?
1207
00:51:10,930 --> 00:51:12,650
And they didn't have a chance.
1208
00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:14,610
[commentator] ...matchup
for Mahmoud, Kerr's got him.
1209
00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:16,820
[crowd roaring]
1210
00:51:17,020 --> 00:51:18,610
[Kerr] I remember
I had no chance
1211
00:51:18,810 --> 00:51:20,780
against Mahmoud.
No chance.
1212
00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:23,070
[commentator]
Mahmoud, 20-footer.
1213
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:24,990
{\an8} -[crowd roaring]
-[Kerr] He was
1214
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:28,240
{\an8} one of the most difficult guys
in the league to guard.
1215
00:51:28,450 --> 00:51:30,210
{\an8} [commentator]
Mahmoud shaking Kerr-- three!
1216
00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:31,790
{\an8} [crowd roaring]
1217
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:34,210
I just remember,
over and over again,
1218
00:51:34,410 --> 00:51:36,670
one dribble,
two dribble pull ups.
1219
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:38,920
Rising up,
and he was making everything.
1220
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,630
[commentator]
The Bulls trail by five.
1221
00:51:41,830 --> 00:51:43,300
Under four minutes to go.
1222
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:45,140
Abdul-Rauf...
1223
00:51:45,340 --> 00:51:46,810
what a shot.
1224
00:51:47,010 --> 00:51:49,350
{\an8} [commentator 2]
He came back there. He's got 30.
1225
00:51:49,550 --> 00:51:51,350
{\an8} [commentator]
What do they say here in Denver?
1226
00:51:51,550 --> 00:51:53,390
{\an8} Rauf, there it is.
1227
00:51:54,980 --> 00:51:56,400
{\an8} We were young and talented,
1228
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,730
{\an8} and we ended up breaking
that winning streak.
1229
00:51:58,930 --> 00:52:00,440
{\an8} [commentator]
Mahmoud over Harper--
1230
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,280
{\an8} short-- Mutombo is there!
1231
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,030
Mahmoud to follow-- yes!
1232
00:52:05,230 --> 00:52:07,780
[applause]
1233
00:52:11,330 --> 00:52:12,960
The Denver Nuggets...
1234
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,630
have ended
the Chicago Bulls'
1235
00:52:15,830 --> 00:52:18,960
club record
18-game winning streak.
1236
00:52:20,250 --> 00:52:22,130
[Abdul-Rauf] Even though
it was a great year,
1237
00:52:22,330 --> 00:52:25,140
it's like, okay,
grateful, it's real,
1238
00:52:25,340 --> 00:52:27,220
I'm excited.
1239
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:30,640
You start thinking, man,
I gotta be ready.
1240
00:52:31,260 --> 00:52:33,720
This is too good to be true--
something gonna happen to me.
1241
00:52:36,350 --> 00:52:37,900
[voice]
Hey, this Mahmoud thing
1242
00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:39,900
has really touched off
some nerves.
1243
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:41,900
[voice 2] I'm going
to the game tonight, and I...
1244
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:43,360
well, I hope
when he's introduced,
1245
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,910
everybody boos
as loud as I do.
1246
00:52:46,110 --> 00:52:48,030
My nickname was the Hitman.
1247
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:49,820
[interviewer]
How'd you get that nickname?
1248
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:52,950
{\an8} Radio stations are
in business for one reason
1249
00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:55,040
{\an8} and one reason alone,
and that's to make money,
1250
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:57,380
{\an8} and that's what they do,
and, you know,
1251
00:52:57,580 --> 00:52:59,290
{\an8} if you're gonna be
in drive time radio,
1252
00:52:59,490 --> 00:53:01,250
you have to move
the needle
1253
00:53:01,450 --> 00:53:03,130
in order to keep your job.
1254
00:53:03,330 --> 00:53:05,340
Oh, say can...
1255
00:53:05,540 --> 00:53:07,470
Nuggets bench, of course,
is right next to where
1256
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:09,850
we sit,
and I noticed
1257
00:53:10,050 --> 00:53:12,890
that Mahmoud was not standing
for the national anthem.
1258
00:53:13,090 --> 00:53:16,230
And I assumed everybody else
noticed that too.
1259
00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:18,230
Go back to our forefathers.
1260
00:53:18,430 --> 00:53:21,730
My grandfather fought
on the battlefields of France.
1261
00:53:21,930 --> 00:53:24,280
My father served on a B24
1262
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,610
during World War II.
1263
00:53:26,810 --> 00:53:28,740
That's what the anthem
stands for and the flag,
1264
00:53:28,940 --> 00:53:31,030
and that's
what it stands for, for me.
1265
00:53:31,230 --> 00:53:33,040
I remember the next day,
of course, I brought it up
1266
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:34,620
on the air; no one had
written about it.
1267
00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:36,580
No one had talked about it.
1268
00:53:36,780 --> 00:53:38,290
And we brought it up,
1269
00:53:38,490 --> 00:53:40,290
and of course that caused
1270
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:42,420
the firestorm
that you can imagine.
1271
00:53:42,620 --> 00:53:44,540
Mahmoud, can you
just answer one question?
1272
00:53:46,210 --> 00:53:47,840
[Dan Rather] The National
Basketball Association
1273
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,970
is in a standoff tonight
with a highly-paid player
1274
00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:53,970
who refuses to stand
for the national anthem.
1275
00:53:54,170 --> 00:53:55,600
[crowd booing]
1276
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,270
[reporter]
Expect Rauf's reception
1277
00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:58,690
to be rather hostile.
1278
00:53:58,890 --> 00:54:00,480
[booing]
1279
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,520
[Abdul-Rauf] Hold on, stop,
go back, before that,
1280
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,610
because this is important.
1281
00:54:05,980 --> 00:54:08,070
Oh, say
1282
00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:11,160
Can you see
1283
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,030
[Abdul-Rauf] I was
not standing for the anthem
1284
00:54:13,230 --> 00:54:16,080
probably, give or take...
1285
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,170
four to six months
before it was actually
1286
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:21,000
made public.
1287
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,500
It started with
all the books I was reading.
1288
00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:25,170
You know,
the Noam Chomsky's.
1289
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:27,630
The Gore Vidal's.
The Howard Zinn's.
1290
00:54:27,830 --> 00:54:31,140
All of these books,
and they're talking about
1291
00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:33,140
this sense
of American exceptionalism
1292
00:54:33,340 --> 00:54:34,680
and American innocence.
1293
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,270
{\an8} Like, when America does things,
1294
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:38,100
{\an8} they wanna claim innocence.
1295
00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:41,810
{\an8} You had Rodney King.
1296
00:54:42,010 --> 00:54:44,270
{\an8} You had the bombing
of the World Trade Center.
1297
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:45,940
{\an8} You had the Gulf War.
1298
00:54:46,140 --> 00:54:48,030
Over 90% of its existence,
1299
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:49,490
from the inception
of this country,
1300
00:54:49,690 --> 00:54:51,200
they've been at war.
1301
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,740
There's always something
going on, in this country.
1302
00:54:53,940 --> 00:54:57,660
I'm coming across information
now that I'm really offended.
1303
00:54:57,860 --> 00:54:59,460
I feel like I've been cheated.
1304
00:54:59,660 --> 00:55:02,750
I feel like the educational
institutions cheated me.
1305
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:05,460
You know, one of the worst
things you can do to a person
1306
00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:08,550
is deny them
a history of themselves.
1307
00:55:08,750 --> 00:55:11,090
And a knowledge of themselves.
1308
00:55:11,290 --> 00:55:13,640
Now, they are symbols, right?
1309
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,560
They are symbols
that represent a system.
1310
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,350
And we're taught
we don't stand for anything
1311
00:55:20,550 --> 00:55:24,230
but for Allah.
And what Allah has established.
1312
00:55:24,430 --> 00:55:26,690
But am I saying that everything
in America is bad? No.
1313
00:55:26,890 --> 00:55:28,650
There's good that exists,
but wherever the bad is,
1314
00:55:28,850 --> 00:55:30,900
even as a Muslim,
we don't stand for it.
1315
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:34,070
The ultimate measure of a man
1316
00:55:34,270 --> 00:55:36,740
is not where
he stands in moments--
1317
00:55:36,940 --> 00:55:39,660
of confident moments
of convenience,
1318
00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:42,540
but where he stands
in moments of challenge
1319
00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:44,580
and moments of controversy.
1320
00:55:44,780 --> 00:55:46,710
I'm processing all of this,
and I'm reading about
1321
00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:48,840
the story of the prophet,
I'm reading about...
1322
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,750
you know, these concepts
of nationalism.
1323
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,760
I gotta do something.
1324
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,430
It may not be
the greatest feat in the world,
1325
00:55:57,630 --> 00:55:59,100
but damn it,
I'm gonna do something.
1326
00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:01,180
Injustice anywhere is a threat
1327
00:56:01,380 --> 00:56:03,600
-to justice everywhere.
-[applause]
1328
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,610
I started by just
keeping this to myself.
1329
00:56:06,810 --> 00:56:09,030
This is my struggle.
I'm just not gonna stand.
1330
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:11,070
He would just stay in the back.
1331
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:13,910
That's what he was doing.
Out of the way.
1332
00:56:14,110 --> 00:56:17,030
Minding his own business,
like other players.
1333
00:56:17,230 --> 00:56:19,740
[Hastings] And we blew it off.
Wasn't a big deal.
1334
00:56:19,940 --> 00:56:21,450
Didn't see-- he came in,
he started the game.
1335
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:24,170
He played fine,
everything was okay.
1336
00:56:24,370 --> 00:56:27,380
The NBA, who notices everything,
never said a word.
1337
00:56:27,580 --> 00:56:28,920
Never saw it, never noticed,
1338
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,590
never brought it
to our attention.
1339
00:56:30,790 --> 00:56:32,300
At that moment,
I don't think
1340
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:35,590
anybody could've foreseen
what was about to happen.
1341
00:56:35,790 --> 00:56:39,060
Keep the cameras moving,
'cause I'm kinda fast.
1342
00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:41,770
He was a good player.
He was really good.
1343
00:56:41,970 --> 00:56:44,600
I liked him.
But the stance he took,
1344
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,650
people didn't like it.
They were against it.
1345
00:56:47,850 --> 00:56:49,980
Next thing you know,
they're calling talk radio.
1346
00:56:50,180 --> 00:56:53,400
The next thing you know,
television cameras show up.
1347
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,660
It seemed like there was
a little extra cameramen
1348
00:56:56,860 --> 00:56:58,620
at the shoot around
than normal.
1349
00:56:58,820 --> 00:57:01,120
And so, when it was over,
they rushed in
1350
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,330
and wanted to sit me down.
1351
00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:06,540
At this point, I don't even know
what it's about.
1352
00:57:06,740 --> 00:57:08,880
And I think the first
question was, "So,
1353
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,880
what do you think
about the American flag?"
1354
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:12,550
{\an8} It's clear in the Quran
1355
00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:14,630
{\an8} where Islam is the only way,
1356
00:57:14,830 --> 00:57:16,340
{\an8} and to stand
for one or the other
1357
00:57:16,540 --> 00:57:18,430
{\an8} is denying the other.
1358
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:21,310
{\an8} It's also a symbol
of oppression,
1359
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:23,220
uh, of tyranny.
1360
00:57:23,420 --> 00:57:25,810
I just don't look
at the Muslim issue.
1361
00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:27,770
I look at
the Caucasian American,
1362
00:57:27,970 --> 00:57:30,320
I look at the African American
being oppressed in this country,
1363
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,480
so, uh...
1364
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,240
and I don't stand for that.
1365
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,110
I don't criticize those
for standing.
1366
00:57:36,310 --> 00:57:39,700
So, don't criticize me
for-- for sitting.
1367
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:41,530
To me, I'm like,
that's a balanced statement.
1368
00:57:41,730 --> 00:57:43,700
I'm not saying
that you're all bad.
1369
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:46,040
But of course,
the media does its job.
1370
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,790
Tyranny, oppression, tyranny,
oppression, tyranny, oppression.
1371
00:57:48,990 --> 00:57:51,290
[reporter] Abdul-Rauf is opposed
to standing for the flag.
1372
00:57:51,490 --> 00:57:52,630
[reporter 2]
Which he called a symbol
1373
00:57:52,830 --> 00:57:54,210
of oppression, of tyranny.
1374
00:57:54,410 --> 00:57:55,720
[reporter 3]
Oppression and tyranny...
1375
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,340
[overlapping voices]
1376
00:58:04,090 --> 00:58:06,140
[static crackling]
1377
00:58:06,340 --> 00:58:08,440
{\an8} The media, I think,
a lot of times
1378
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,520
{\an8} is not so much biased
as it is lazy.
1379
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,400
{\an8} The Supreme Court even issued
1380
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,490
{\an8} it's constitutional
to burn the flag.
1381
00:58:15,690 --> 00:58:17,490
[Aldridge] Someone giving
a nuanced explanation
1382
00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:19,990
about the history
of the United States,
1383
00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:21,570
that's not a sound bite.
1384
00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:23,240
[reporter] He claims that
the American Flag
1385
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:24,870
is a symbol of oppression.
1386
00:58:25,070 --> 00:58:26,950
That makes it
a political statement.
1387
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,170
And so, in a flash,
1388
00:58:29,370 --> 00:58:32,420
he's a very controversial figure
on a national level.
1389
00:58:32,620 --> 00:58:34,960
-What's wrong with that guy?
-He signed on the dotted line.
1390
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,130
-That's the rules of the game.
-America is the reason
1391
00:58:37,330 --> 00:58:39,010
why he's making the big bucks,
1392
00:58:39,210 --> 00:58:40,840
and I mean,
he should at least respect that.
1393
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,140
I think he should respect
the United States.
1394
00:58:43,340 --> 00:58:46,770
Ask Mahmoud if he'd rather not
get paid in American dollars.
1395
00:58:46,970 --> 00:58:48,730
I think not standing
for the national anthem
1396
00:58:48,930 --> 00:58:50,600
is disrespectful to the country
1397
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,520
and those who have
given us the right to stand.
1398
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,070
-[booming]
-At that moment, you just knew
1399
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:58,900
his life would not
be the same,
1400
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:02,370
because of the way it was
received by Middle America.
1401
00:59:02,570 --> 00:59:04,830
The NBA had to step in.
What are they going to do
1402
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:07,290
when a player doesn't
stand for the anthem?
1403
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:09,790
I'm coming to the gym,
we're playing Orlando.
1404
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:11,330
I walk in the gym,
1405
00:59:11,530 --> 00:59:13,000
I'm getting ready
to put my stuff down.
1406
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,290
Jim Gillen says, "Hey,
Bernie wants to see you."
1407
00:59:16,580 --> 00:59:19,760
Administratively,
we had to clean it up,
1408
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,630
because it impacted the Nuggets,
1409
00:59:21,830 --> 00:59:24,970
it impacted the National
Basketball Association,
1410
00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:27,060
and it was a big scene.
1411
00:59:27,260 --> 00:59:29,680
And Bernie said, "People from
the NBA wanna talk to you."
1412
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,980
I've never talked
to David Stern. Not once.
1413
00:59:33,180 --> 00:59:34,610
But I'm assuming
that he probably put
1414
00:59:34,810 --> 00:59:37,320
his closest people
on the phone,
1415
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,190
and they began
to talk to me.
1416
00:59:39,390 --> 00:59:40,780
Trying to convince me to stand.
1417
00:59:40,980 --> 00:59:42,700
These are
the people who pay you.
1418
00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:45,910
They've got these rules,
so we have to adhere to it.
1419
00:59:46,110 --> 00:59:49,540
I said, "I'm not standing
so do what you have to do."
1420
00:59:49,740 --> 00:59:51,040
You have the ability,
1421
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,500
if you can't do it,
walk away.
1422
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:55,670
Got freedom of choice
to do that.
1423
00:59:55,870 --> 00:59:57,340
So I'm looking
at Bernie, I say,
1424
00:59:57,540 --> 00:59:59,800
"Well, look,
can I go get dressed?"
1425
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,260
He says, "No,"
I say, "What do you..."
1426
01:00:02,460 --> 01:00:04,010
"You--"
I said, "Now?!"
1427
01:00:04,210 --> 01:00:06,510
I'm thinking you gotta go
through legislation.
1428
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:08,140
I said, "Well,
can I put my clothes on
1429
01:00:08,340 --> 01:00:10,020
and go out
and support the team?"
1430
01:00:10,220 --> 01:00:11,980
He said, "No, they don't even
want you on the premises."
1431
01:00:12,180 --> 01:00:13,980
So I got up and went down,
got my stuff, they were like,
1432
01:00:14,180 --> 01:00:16,440
"What's up?" I said,
"Y'all have a good game."
1433
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,860
Mahmoud, can we just
ask you one question?
1434
01:00:20,060 --> 01:00:22,780
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
didn't play last night,
1435
01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:24,660
and unless
he changes his stance,
1436
01:00:24,860 --> 01:00:26,370
he won't be playing
for a while.
1437
01:00:26,570 --> 01:00:28,870
He is suspended
indefinitely by the NBA
1438
01:00:29,070 --> 01:00:31,580
for refusing to stand
during the national anthem.
1439
01:00:31,780 --> 01:00:33,210
Nuggets president
and head coach
1440
01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:34,920
Bernie Bickerstaff was asked
1441
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,710
about the controversy,
but he refused to comment.
1442
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:41,210
There was no social media.
There wasn't cell phones.
1443
01:00:41,410 --> 01:00:42,880
So, I had an answering machine
in the office.
1444
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,010
Within an hour,
it was maxed out.
1445
01:00:45,210 --> 01:00:48,100
From The Oprah Winfrey Show,
Jesse Jackson's office,
1446
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:49,890
from Brother Farrakhan's office.
1447
01:00:50,090 --> 01:00:51,560
On and on,
the calls were coming
1448
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,890
from every area of society.
1449
01:00:54,090 --> 01:00:56,100
The major news outlets wanted
to talk to him.
1450
01:00:56,300 --> 01:00:58,400
They wanted players' opinions
of their teammate.
1451
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,730
How tough has it been
for him, Jalen?
1452
01:01:00,930 --> 01:01:03,490
Well, I don't know, he seemed
like he's been handling it well.
1453
01:01:03,690 --> 01:01:05,490
I mean, you know,
Mahmoud's the kind of guy that
1454
01:01:05,690 --> 01:01:07,240
he would only do something
if he thought it was right
1455
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,240
so he doesn't feel
that he's done anything wrong.
1456
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,080
We were confused because
this is, like, unprecedented.
1457
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,870
You could get suspended for
doing something peaceful?
1458
01:01:16,070 --> 01:01:17,420
I don't think it's fair.
1459
01:01:17,620 --> 01:01:18,920
I think
a lot of guys will...
1460
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,590
{\an8} won't have
much to say about it,
1461
01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:22,170
{\an8} because they're afraid
of the repercussions.
1462
01:01:22,370 --> 01:01:24,090
{\an8} You know, in our country,
freedom of speech
1463
01:01:24,290 --> 01:01:26,430
{\an8} has been taken way too far
with everything,
1464
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:29,050
but you know, I... would like
to hear his side of that.
1465
01:01:29,250 --> 01:01:31,680
{\an8} I respect him as a man for
making, you know what I mean,
1466
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,390
{\an8} stand up for what he believes,
you know what I mean,
1467
01:01:33,590 --> 01:01:35,940
{\an8} I don't think
he should be suspended for it.
1468
01:01:36,140 --> 01:01:37,770
{\an8} You're gonna get paid
four or five million dollars
1469
01:01:37,970 --> 01:01:39,900
just to play a game,
don't sit there
1470
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:42,610
and say you're not gonna
stand up for, what, two minutes.
1471
01:01:42,810 --> 01:01:45,320
That's, uh,
Mahmoud, you know.
1472
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,660
And people have
different beliefs,
1473
01:01:47,860 --> 01:01:49,950
and right now,
he has different beliefs.
1474
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:52,490
You know,
people should respect that.
1475
01:01:52,690 --> 01:01:55,120
I wanted to just...
reach out to him
1476
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,290
and say, "Hey, man,
half my family is Muslim.
1477
01:01:58,490 --> 01:02:00,590
I understand."
But when you do certain things
1478
01:02:00,790 --> 01:02:03,500
at certain moments,
you cannot allow people
1479
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:05,630
to intervene with
what they think you're doing.
1480
01:02:05,830 --> 01:02:07,380
The message has to be clear.
1481
01:02:07,580 --> 01:02:08,970
I hate to say it like this,
sometimes you have
1482
01:02:09,170 --> 01:02:12,100
to play the game.
It's all about corporations.
1483
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:14,970
And the corporate mentality
is very strict.
1484
01:02:15,170 --> 01:02:17,810
The league says they just
want him to play by its rules,
1485
01:02:18,010 --> 01:02:21,480
which means Abdul-Rauf will
remain suspended without pay,
1486
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,110
until he stands.
1487
01:02:23,310 --> 01:02:24,730
I got a letter from the league
1488
01:02:24,930 --> 01:02:26,650
that he violated
1489
01:02:26,850 --> 01:02:29,070
the NBA Operations Manual,
1490
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:31,910
which is not even
negotiated with the union.
1491
01:02:32,110 --> 01:02:34,660
So that's why the union was
solidly behind Mahmoud,
1492
01:02:34,860 --> 01:02:38,460
and I knew, if Mahmoud wanted
to play, he would play.
1493
01:02:38,660 --> 01:02:40,710
Here's somebody
that's so very disciplined
1494
01:02:40,910 --> 01:02:44,840
about his life, about his game,
about his religion,
1495
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,510
Mahmoud doesn't
see himself as a martyr
1496
01:02:47,710 --> 01:02:49,680
or, like,
doing anything special.
1497
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,510
He's like, "This is
the right thing to do."
1498
01:02:51,710 --> 01:02:52,970
[reporter]
Late this afternoon,
1499
01:02:53,170 --> 01:02:54,510
Abdul-Rauf's agent read
1500
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:56,180
a statement
from his client.
1501
01:02:56,380 --> 01:02:58,810
"My intentions were not,
in any way,
1502
01:02:59,010 --> 01:03:01,020
to be disrespectful
to those who regard
1503
01:03:01,220 --> 01:03:04,730
the national anthem
as a sacred ceremony."
1504
01:03:04,930 --> 01:03:06,610
My concern was how he was
1505
01:03:06,810 --> 01:03:08,570
{\an8} going to be socially persecuted
1506
01:03:08,770 --> 01:03:11,200
and how the media was
going to come at him.
1507
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,030
"I am an African-American,
1508
01:03:13,230 --> 01:03:15,330
a citizen
of this country,
1509
01:03:15,530 --> 01:03:17,830
and one who respects
freedom of speech
1510
01:03:18,030 --> 01:03:20,040
and freedom
of expression."
1511
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,630
Shareef went on national TV
1512
01:03:23,830 --> 01:03:26,130
and read a statement,
and it said underneath--
1513
01:03:26,330 --> 01:03:28,630
it said "Shareef Nasir,
1514
01:03:28,830 --> 01:03:31,510
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf's agent."
1515
01:03:31,710 --> 01:03:34,720
Toward the end of that season,
I was terminated.
1516
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,300
Shareef became his agent.
1517
01:03:38,010 --> 01:03:39,980
[April Dotson]
Sharif and Mahmoud had
1518
01:03:40,180 --> 01:03:41,890
a friendship that turned
1519
01:03:42,090 --> 01:03:46,650
{\an8} from a best friend situation
to a business situation.
1520
01:03:48,060 --> 01:03:49,690
{\an8} And you look at life,
you look at society,
1521
01:03:49,890 --> 01:03:51,700
{\an8} and you look
at the relationships
1522
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:54,740
{\an8} with the Black world
and the white world.
1523
01:03:54,940 --> 01:03:56,740
The many barriers
that are created.
1524
01:03:56,940 --> 01:03:58,620
You know, we're in a league
where you got so many
1525
01:03:58,820 --> 01:04:00,580
African-Americans that play,
but you have very little
1526
01:04:00,780 --> 01:04:02,750
African-American coaches;
you have very little
1527
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:05,380
African-American
trainers, right?
1528
01:04:05,580 --> 01:04:08,460
You also have a field
where there's not a lot
1529
01:04:08,660 --> 01:04:10,420
of African-American agents.
1530
01:04:10,620 --> 01:04:14,180
And I'm like, well, why not
try to bring somebody else up
1531
01:04:14,380 --> 01:04:16,680
that needed a chance?
That looks like me.
1532
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,390
Give them that opportunity.
1533
01:04:18,590 --> 01:04:20,100
I don't know
when you want me to open
1534
01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:22,600
this can of worms,
but he was being
1535
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,730
pushed and pulled
his whole life.
1536
01:04:25,930 --> 01:04:28,770
Either by Tourette's,
or by coaches,
1537
01:04:28,980 --> 01:04:31,530
or now by the religion.
1538
01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:33,280
[reporter]
Hakeem Olajuwon,
1539
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,110
a Muslim and NBA star,
1540
01:04:35,310 --> 01:04:37,950
doesn't understand
Abdul-Rauf's interpretation
1541
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:39,790
of Islamic scripture.
1542
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:41,700
Islamic teachings
1543
01:04:41,900 --> 01:04:43,870
{\an8}require every Muslim
1544
01:04:44,070 --> 01:04:47,630
{\an8}to obey
and respect the law
1545
01:04:47,830 --> 01:04:49,800
{\an8}of the countries
they live in.
1546
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,800
{\an8}There's nothing in Islam
1547
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,760
{\an8}against standing
1548
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,510
{\an8}for a national anthem
of any country,
1549
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:59,350
{\an8}whether you agree
or disagree with that country.
1550
01:04:59,550 --> 01:05:01,430
So we disagree with Mahmoud
1551
01:05:01,630 --> 01:05:03,270
for not standing on that.
1552
01:05:03,470 --> 01:05:06,400
I don't agree.
I don't believe in...
1553
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,190
if... if you're in Rome,
do as the Romans do.
1554
01:05:09,390 --> 01:05:11,570
My first allegiance is to God,
1555
01:05:11,770 --> 01:05:13,740
irrespective
of wherever I'm at.
1556
01:05:13,940 --> 01:05:15,200
Not every law is just.
1557
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,160
At one point,
slavery was the law.
1558
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,280
At one point,
segregation was a law,
1559
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:20,790
just because it's a law
1560
01:05:20,990 --> 01:05:22,580
doesn't mean
it should be honored.
1561
01:05:22,780 --> 01:05:25,210
I think the thing
that hurt Mahmoud most were
1562
01:05:25,410 --> 01:05:26,830
the people that knew him,
1563
01:05:27,030 --> 01:05:29,290
how they kind of turned
their back on him
1564
01:05:29,490 --> 01:05:30,920
and how they didn't understand
1565
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,840
and didn't accept
his position.
1566
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,470
[crowd booing]
1567
01:05:36,670 --> 01:05:38,970
[Mahershala] I remember
being nervous for him.
1568
01:05:39,170 --> 01:05:41,760
I got really worried
for his career,
1569
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,100
and there wasn't really
anyone else on board.
1570
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:46,850
He seemed like
he was clearly on an island,
1571
01:05:47,050 --> 01:05:50,150
and I don't think
anyone felt like
1572
01:05:50,350 --> 01:05:52,980
that was necessarily
gonna end well.
1573
01:05:53,180 --> 01:05:56,200
[Shaq]
National anthem, very sensitive.
1574
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,360
Once they think you're
disrespecting this country,
1575
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,320
they don't wanna have
a conversation.
1576
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,990
[Nasir] Revoke his contract,
take his money away,
1577
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:04,500
tell him to go back to Africa.
1578
01:06:04,700 --> 01:06:06,290
That was the talk
that you would hear
1579
01:06:06,490 --> 01:06:07,950
coming out of the media.
1580
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,580
I'm constantly hearing
all of this stuff,
1581
01:06:10,790 --> 01:06:12,670
man, I'm, like, furious.
1582
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:15,460
One night, I ended up--
I was so angry,
1583
01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:18,630
I started
breaking out in a sweat.
1584
01:06:18,830 --> 01:06:21,100
My stomach was in knots.
My gums started--
1585
01:06:21,300 --> 01:06:23,640
like, it felt like
somebody was airing 'em up.
1586
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,140
I went to the hospital,
they said,
1587
01:06:26,340 --> 01:06:28,190
"You're having an ulcer."
'Cause I was holding
1588
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:29,680
so much in!
1589
01:06:31,180 --> 01:06:33,690
I ended up talking
to a guy that's my mentor,
1590
01:06:33,890 --> 01:06:35,650
and he was telling me,
he said, "Listen,
1591
01:06:35,850 --> 01:06:37,570
you can choose
to go forward,
1592
01:06:37,770 --> 01:06:39,660
and you--
and you are just right to do so,
1593
01:06:39,860 --> 01:06:43,240
or you can choose
to take another approach.
1594
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,370
Praying for those
who are oppressed..."
1595
01:06:46,570 --> 01:06:47,830
That made sense,
1596
01:06:48,030 --> 01:06:49,670
but part of me
didn't wanna do it.
1597
01:06:49,870 --> 01:06:51,330
Because I knew,
in the minds of people,
1598
01:06:51,530 --> 01:06:53,420
they'd say,
"Oh, he's compromising."
1599
01:06:53,620 --> 01:06:57,760
The compromise was,
we get his fine back, and he was
1600
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,430
allowed to stand
and pray silently.
1601
01:07:00,630 --> 01:07:02,470
Am I sorry for it? No.
1602
01:07:02,670 --> 01:07:05,390
Do I feel I'm wrong
for doing what I did? No.
1603
01:07:05,590 --> 01:07:08,480
But in Islam, um...
1604
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,020
if there's
a better approach to things,
1605
01:07:11,220 --> 01:07:14,570
um, it's-- it's only wise
to take that approach.
1606
01:07:14,770 --> 01:07:17,070
I'll stand,
but I'll offer a prayer
1607
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:18,900
for those who are suffering.
1608
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:21,700
[reporter]
The Nuggets hit the road
1609
01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:23,410
with Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.
1610
01:07:23,610 --> 01:07:26,910
The standoff about standing.
The NBA won.
1611
01:07:27,110 --> 01:07:29,330
[reporter 2] The Nuggets are
in Chicago tonight to play
1612
01:07:29,530 --> 01:07:31,370
{\an8}Michael Jordan
and the Chicago Bulls.
1613
01:07:31,570 --> 01:07:33,540
{\an8} Should be interesting to see
if that Chicago crowd
1614
01:07:33,740 --> 01:07:35,880
{\an8} boos Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.
1615
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,130
{\an8}This is, like, the most
notorious figure in America.
1616
01:07:40,330 --> 01:07:41,970
{\an8}I'm not here to talk.
I'm here to play basketball.
1617
01:07:42,170 --> 01:07:43,550
If you wanna ask me
about basketball,
1618
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:45,050
I'll talk about
basketball.
1619
01:07:45,250 --> 01:07:47,390
[Krieger]
In Chicago, CNN is there,
1620
01:07:47,590 --> 01:07:48,970
the networks are there,
1621
01:07:49,180 --> 01:07:50,810
this is
the sort of epitome
1622
01:07:51,010 --> 01:07:53,310
of the cable news cycle.
1623
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:57,610
Bernie Bickerstaff is cornered
by a massive media horde.
1624
01:07:57,810 --> 01:07:59,490
[reporter] How long do you think
before this circus ends?
1625
01:07:59,690 --> 01:08:01,530
Uh, when you guys turn it loose.
1626
01:08:01,730 --> 01:08:03,490
[reporter] Do you think
it's gonna continue and--
1627
01:08:03,690 --> 01:08:05,450
You have to answer that, when
are you gonna turn it loose?
1628
01:08:05,650 --> 01:08:08,660
It was just volatile,
and everybody wanted to know
1629
01:08:08,860 --> 01:08:10,910
what he was gonna do
from day to day.
1630
01:08:11,110 --> 01:08:13,170
Will he stand?
Will he sit?
1631
01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:16,460
You know, I like all my players
to line up and be attentive.
1632
01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:19,340
I don't necessarily agree
with what he's saying,
1633
01:08:19,540 --> 01:08:22,130
but I respect his...
1634
01:08:22,330 --> 01:08:24,930
freedom to...
to express himself.
1635
01:08:25,130 --> 01:08:26,720
[reporter]
Do you feel focused tonight?
1636
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,350
Oh, yes, I feel good.
Ready to play.
1637
01:08:29,550 --> 01:08:31,230
I was worried about him.
1638
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:34,020
Having to hear
about threats on his life,
1639
01:08:34,220 --> 01:08:36,980
and FBI agents having
to sit in the stands.
1640
01:08:37,180 --> 01:08:38,940
-[crowd cheering]
-[announcer] Good evening,
1641
01:08:39,140 --> 01:08:41,440
{\an8}ladies and gentlemen.
1642
01:08:42,860 --> 01:08:44,740
{\an8} [Abdul-Rauf]
It was a packed house.
1643
01:08:44,940 --> 01:08:46,450
{\an8} For some reason,
it felt like,
1644
01:08:46,650 --> 01:08:48,700
{\an8} did y'all give out
extra tickets?
1645
01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:52,040
{\an8} [crowd booing]
1646
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:53,870
[Sheppard] There was
a lot of hatred there.
1647
01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:56,540
People waving flags.
1648
01:08:56,740 --> 01:08:59,040
They're booing him,
they're yelling things.
1649
01:08:59,250 --> 01:09:00,960
It was ugly.
1650
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,420
[announcer] Please rise
for the national anthem.
1651
01:09:06,670 --> 01:09:08,550
Oh, say
1652
01:09:08,750 --> 01:09:12,680
Can you see
1653
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,890
By the dawn's
1654
01:09:15,090 --> 01:09:19,440
- early light...
-[crowd booing]
1655
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,440
[booing overtakes singing]
1656
01:09:25,940 --> 01:09:27,610
[booing continues]
1657
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:32,370
[Glass]
During the anthem,
1658
01:09:32,570 --> 01:09:34,330
I knew he was nervous.
1659
01:09:34,530 --> 01:09:37,620
And his teammates...
surrounded him.
1660
01:09:37,830 --> 01:09:39,540
And it looked to me
like they were trying
1661
01:09:39,740 --> 01:09:41,790
to protect him
from all of this crap.
1662
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,510
[Ellis] It occurred to me
that, I was like, wow,
1663
01:09:44,710 --> 01:09:47,180
this is real;
I've never, ever
1664
01:09:47,380 --> 01:09:48,890
had a situation
1665
01:09:49,090 --> 01:09:51,720
where a person individually
1666
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,520
-was being booed.
-[crowd booing]
1667
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,600
[Abdul-Rauf] This patriotism
and this love for the anthem...
1668
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,440
while they were
singing the anthem...
1669
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,570
a lot of people booing,
disrespect the anthem.
1670
01:10:02,770 --> 01:10:05,900
-[crowd booing]
- of the free...
1671
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:09,780
[booing overtakes singing]
1672
01:10:09,980 --> 01:10:13,540
[booing increases]
1673
01:10:13,740 --> 01:10:14,950
[Kerr] Looking back,
I wish I had
1674
01:10:15,150 --> 01:10:16,790
said something to him.
1675
01:10:16,990 --> 01:10:19,460
It was a time
when athletes didn't
1676
01:10:19,660 --> 01:10:20,960
speak out much.
1677
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,090
We didn't have this...
1678
01:10:23,290 --> 01:10:25,800
social justice movement
that's going on now.
1679
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,800
You didn't have social media,
1680
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,600
so it was...
really an isolated event
1681
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,140
that kind of
caught everybody off guard.
1682
01:10:34,340 --> 01:10:36,140
[David]
It was all over the media.
1683
01:10:36,340 --> 01:10:38,190
And deep down inside,
1684
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:39,770
just said, man,
1685
01:10:39,970 --> 01:10:41,860
I just wish
he had never done that.
1686
01:10:42,060 --> 01:10:45,320
Thinking about all the work,
all the long nights,
1687
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,610
the long days,
the hot sun,
1688
01:10:47,810 --> 01:10:49,660
the not eating, you know?
1689
01:10:49,860 --> 01:10:51,320
Mom going through
what she was going through,
1690
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,240
and... all that for this.
1691
01:10:59,740 --> 01:11:01,750
[Abdul-Rauf]
I had a garbage bag full...
1692
01:11:01,950 --> 01:11:03,790
of hate mail.
1693
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:07,170
Death threats.
It was disturbing.
1694
01:11:08,290 --> 01:11:09,840
There are no words.
1695
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,590
You don't get it
unless you've experienced it.
1696
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,680
You pull up to the house,
and your windshield's
1697
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,350
been bashed in.
1698
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:19,020
Going to restaurants,
and him maybe not
1699
01:11:19,220 --> 01:11:21,190
feeling comfortable because
of the looks he's getting
1700
01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:24,190
and wondering if his food is
gonna be his food,
1701
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:27,610
or if it's gonna be his food,
and something added.
1702
01:11:27,810 --> 01:11:30,860
This was an everyday,
regular thing for us.
1703
01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:33,530
So it was hard.
1704
01:11:34,990 --> 01:11:36,870
We need one ball.
1705
01:11:37,070 --> 01:11:38,660
[Abdul-Rauf]
Bernie calls me.
1706
01:11:38,860 --> 01:11:42,210
And he said, "There are
too many distractions."
1707
01:11:42,410 --> 01:11:44,590
He was like, "Look, why don't
you just end this year?"
1708
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:47,210
We needed to move on,
1709
01:11:47,410 --> 01:11:49,720
'cause this was
no longer about
1710
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,550
what we were trying
to accomplish
1711
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:54,550
as a basketball team, okay?
1712
01:11:54,750 --> 01:11:56,220
And that was win
basketball games
1713
01:11:56,420 --> 01:11:58,060
and become successful.
1714
01:11:58,260 --> 01:12:00,270
This-- This was a distraction.
1715
01:12:00,470 --> 01:12:03,650
So, when you have distractions
and those things,
1716
01:12:03,850 --> 01:12:06,060
you have to find ways
to eliminate them.
1717
01:12:06,270 --> 01:12:08,030
This is my humble opinion.
1718
01:12:08,230 --> 01:12:09,480
In every arena we go to
1719
01:12:09,690 --> 01:12:11,400
outside of our own,
we get booed.
1720
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,910
People looking
to get into our heads.
1721
01:12:14,110 --> 01:12:16,200
That's not a distraction
for athletes.
1722
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,330
You look at the season,
how it started.
1723
01:12:18,530 --> 01:12:20,490
Fifty, 30, phenomenal!
1724
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,880
Why would you get rid
of a person like that?
1725
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,710
We were... with it, okay?
1726
01:12:28,910 --> 01:12:31,840
And so Sacramento was receptive,
1727
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,260
so sometimes
changes of venue
1728
01:12:35,460 --> 01:12:37,430
helps everybody.
1729
01:12:37,630 --> 01:12:40,600
[Hastings] He's your
headache now, your problem.
1730
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,270
We can't handle
the headache, we're tired
1731
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:45,270
of the publicity.
Move on.
1732
01:12:45,470 --> 01:12:48,900
[Rose] Bernie Bickerstaff was
put in an awkward spot...
1733
01:12:49,100 --> 01:12:52,110
because not many times
does a Black man
1734
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:55,280
not only have the opportunity
to be a head coach in the NBA
1735
01:12:55,480 --> 01:12:56,950
but a general manager,
1736
01:12:57,150 --> 01:12:59,240
and when you're
in that position,
1737
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:02,040
corporate America, the sponsors,
they on the phone.
1738
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:06,710
And I'm pretty sure, for Bernie,
he had to look at it like,
1739
01:13:06,910 --> 01:13:11,050
that if I protect him,
they gonna ostracize me, too.
1740
01:13:11,250 --> 01:13:13,710
[commentator]
Good look, good execution.
1741
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:17,140
{\an8} They're looking for a screen,
there it is,
1742
01:13:17,340 --> 01:13:19,220
{\an8}and that's a nice
little shot right there.
1743
01:13:21,010 --> 01:13:24,230
{\an8} We're getting one
of the best players in the game,
1744
01:13:24,430 --> 01:13:28,480
{\an8} and you guys all looking at him
like he's a pariah.
1745
01:13:29,770 --> 01:13:33,150
{\an8} That really bothered me,
'cause I loved this guy,
1746
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:34,650
and I wanted to play with him.
1747
01:13:35,940 --> 01:13:38,620
[Bennett] When he went to
Sacramento, he wasn't playing.
1748
01:13:38,820 --> 01:13:41,490
So, I said, ooh,
he's gonna be in trouble.
1749
01:13:41,690 --> 01:13:44,250
[sighing]
He's gonna be blackballed.
1750
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:45,830
And I think
that's what happened.
1751
01:13:46,030 --> 01:13:47,670
"Blackball" is certainly
1752
01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:49,840
not an official term.
1753
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,210
Someone who is
being blackballed
1754
01:13:52,410 --> 01:13:54,970
is being made unable to work
1755
01:13:55,170 --> 01:13:56,510
in a certain environment
1756
01:13:56,710 --> 01:13:58,340
or in a certain place,
1757
01:13:58,540 --> 01:14:00,600
{\an8} in this case
in a certain sports league,
1758
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,390
{\an8} by the people
who control the means
1759
01:14:02,590 --> 01:14:04,680
{\an8} of hiring people
for that sport,
1760
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,190
{\an8} And it seemed clear,
after the Nuggets
1761
01:14:07,390 --> 01:14:08,900
traded Mahmoud,
who at the time was
1762
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:10,810
the leading scorer
on their team,
1763
01:14:11,010 --> 01:14:13,860
that there was
very little interest in him
1764
01:14:14,060 --> 01:14:15,610
around the league.
1765
01:14:16,940 --> 01:14:18,570
Well, obviously
he wasn't blackballed.
1766
01:14:18,770 --> 01:14:20,030
He went to Sacramento.
1767
01:14:20,230 --> 01:14:22,030
The answer's in the--
1768
01:14:22,230 --> 01:14:23,790
the pudding, right?
1769
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:25,320
It didn't happen.
1770
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:28,670
[Abdul-Rauf] That year,
they came out with a special,
1771
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:30,500
with the top free throw shooters
in the league.
1772
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:32,290
Not once did they show me.
I said, "Oh,
1773
01:14:32,490 --> 01:14:34,130
that's writing on the wall."
1774
01:14:34,330 --> 01:14:36,880
Tomjanovich,
after playing us
1775
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,630
{\an8}in Sacramento,
was in the locker room.
1776
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,890
{\an8}Tomjanovich was like,
"What's going on?
1777
01:14:42,090 --> 01:14:43,560
{\an8} Why are they not playing him?"
1778
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,180
{\an8} They said, "When we come,
1779
01:14:45,380 --> 01:14:47,980
{\an8} we organize our defense
to stop him."
1780
01:14:48,180 --> 01:14:51,150
{\an8} I was, like, untouchable.
I see what's happening.
1781
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:53,070
{\an8} And then, at some point,
I fell into what I did
1782
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:55,400
my first year, like,
oh, forget y'all, then, man.
1783
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:56,900
Said I ain't gonna be
putting in all this work.
1784
01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:58,360
Started gaining weight,
I'm like,
1785
01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,740
I'm giving them
what they want.
1786
01:14:59,940 --> 01:15:02,070
[commentator]
Abdul-Rauf...
1787
01:15:02,270 --> 01:15:06,500
Mahmoud didn't play very well,
and so it was easy.
1788
01:15:06,700 --> 01:15:08,410
If you're not playing well,
1789
01:15:08,610 --> 01:15:10,290
and there's a controversy,
1790
01:15:10,490 --> 01:15:12,660
it's really easy
to get rid of you.
1791
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,670
[Abdul-Rauf] That year,
they wanted to sign me back,
1792
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:18,670
but they wanted to give me--
like, lowball me.
1793
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:21,510
And on principle I said, man,
trick it, I'm going overseas.
1794
01:15:21,710 --> 01:15:24,510
I said, just on principle,
I'm gonna leave.
1795
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,310
I ended up going to Turkey.
1796
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:29,940
That lasted for about
maybe three months.
1797
01:15:30,140 --> 01:15:33,110
My heart wasn't in it,
so I left early.
1798
01:15:33,310 --> 01:15:35,270
Vancouver said,
"If you get in shape,
1799
01:15:35,470 --> 01:15:37,730
you're gonna play."
I said, "Okay, deal."
1800
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:40,950
[Rose]
I remember he was playing
1801
01:15:41,150 --> 01:15:43,530
with the Grizzlies.
Vancouver.
1802
01:15:43,730 --> 01:15:46,070
I'm like, they got my guy
in Siberia over here.
1803
01:15:47,410 --> 01:15:49,120
[Abdul-Rauf] After
my first year in Vancouver,
1804
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,790
went back home,
established a masjid,
1805
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:54,460
and so I became the imam
for some years while at home.
1806
01:15:54,660 --> 01:15:56,090
Asking for it...
1807
01:15:56,290 --> 01:15:57,630
Had a wife at the time,
1808
01:15:57,830 --> 01:16:00,050
and I was having
my first child, Ali.
1809
01:16:00,250 --> 01:16:02,220
During that time is
when we're looking to build
1810
01:16:02,420 --> 01:16:04,880
a house on 53 acres
in Kiln, Mississippi.
1811
01:16:06,430 --> 01:16:08,720
I was always
a little bit surprised
1812
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,430
that he would wanna move
to Hancock County.
1813
01:16:15,890 --> 01:16:19,480
Yeah, yeah, a lot of...
just be real, it's just a...
1814
01:16:19,690 --> 01:16:22,030
I just don't know why a....
1815
01:16:22,230 --> 01:16:26,030
a Muslim African-American man
would wanna go live there.
1816
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:28,660
[Abdul-Rauf]
But I'm thinking, look, man,
1817
01:16:28,860 --> 01:16:32,580
this is a lot of land,
a lake, great opportunity.
1818
01:16:32,780 --> 01:16:35,500
I start building
a gigantic house.
1819
01:16:35,700 --> 01:16:38,170
One day,
going out to the property,
1820
01:16:38,370 --> 01:16:40,760
you could see tire tracks.
1821
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:42,840
Looked like a big old truck
1822
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:44,930
that ran into
the frame of the house,
1823
01:16:45,130 --> 01:16:47,180
when it was being framed,
tore down.
1824
01:16:47,380 --> 01:16:49,180
Dealt with it.
Some time go by,
1825
01:16:49,380 --> 01:16:51,180
we come back out...
1826
01:16:51,380 --> 01:16:53,350
you see Ku Klux Klan insignia,
1827
01:16:53,550 --> 01:16:55,650
I'm still like,
"Okay, I'm still moving in."
1828
01:16:55,850 --> 01:16:57,360
When we get it all bricked up,
1829
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,650
I get a call
from a sister in our community
1830
01:16:59,850 --> 01:17:02,150
named Ivy. It was about
four o'clock in the morning.
1831
01:17:02,350 --> 01:17:05,160
Woke us up.
She said...
1832
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:06,870
"Turn on the news."
1833
01:17:07,070 --> 01:17:08,780
[fire roaring]
1834
01:17:08,980 --> 01:17:11,160
[reporter] Investigators are
claiming arson
1835
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,080
in the early-morning blaze
1836
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,710
{\an8} at the home
of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf...
1837
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:18,420
{\an8} [Dotson]
I'm watching the news,
1838
01:17:18,620 --> 01:17:20,830
{\an8} and I'm watching
my house in flames.
1839
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,670
{\an8} It was like a clip
out of a bad horror movie,
1840
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,180
{\an8} except this is my real life.
1841
01:17:27,380 --> 01:17:29,470
{\an8} [reporter]
The six-bedroom six-bath home
1842
01:17:29,670 --> 01:17:31,680
was supposed to be
the Raufs' dream home
1843
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,300
in the countryside.
1844
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,640
[ominous music]
1845
01:17:39,850 --> 01:17:42,230
[birds tweeting]
1846
01:17:42,430 --> 01:17:44,190
[Abdul-Rauf]
I do remember one statement
1847
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:47,860
that was made that--
that came true.
1848
01:17:48,060 --> 01:17:51,320
Said before I move in,
that it would be burned down.
1849
01:17:52,820 --> 01:17:55,080
This is just an indication,
1850
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,420
I think, of...
how far we gotta go
1851
01:17:57,620 --> 01:18:01,500
in terms of human relations
in this country, period.
1852
01:18:01,700 --> 01:18:03,460
For something like this
to happen.
1853
01:18:04,460 --> 01:18:07,590
For Mahmoud,
the way he handled himself
1854
01:18:07,790 --> 01:18:10,850
was always with discipline
and class.
1855
01:18:11,050 --> 01:18:14,520
Especially when times got rough.
1856
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,270
He never got mad
at the establishment
1857
01:18:17,470 --> 01:18:20,020
and said,
"I'm gonna burn the house down."
1858
01:18:20,220 --> 01:18:22,320
But the Klan burned
his house down.
1859
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,190
How about that?
1860
01:18:26,570 --> 01:18:28,110
[Abdul-Rauf]
There's a part of me that,
1861
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:29,740
when I see stuff like that,
1862
01:18:29,940 --> 01:18:32,070
I have that anger,
but it's almost like...
1863
01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:35,910
[sighing]
1864
01:18:36,110 --> 01:18:37,660
I gotta chuckle
1865
01:18:37,860 --> 01:18:40,790
to keep me sane, right?
1866
01:18:40,990 --> 01:18:42,630
Every time something happen
to me, I'm always looking
1867
01:18:42,830 --> 01:18:45,840
at... it could be worse.
1868
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:47,750
It could be worse.
1869
01:18:49,420 --> 01:18:51,760
[siren buzzing, wailing]
1870
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:55,720
[police whistling]
1871
01:18:57,010 --> 01:18:58,640
9/11 happened.
1872
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,060
And Islam has become
the new boogeyman.
1873
01:19:02,260 --> 01:19:05,650
Every nation...
in every region...
1874
01:19:05,850 --> 01:19:08,240
now has a decision to make.
1875
01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:10,660
Either you are with us,
1876
01:19:10,860 --> 01:19:13,160
or you are
with the terrorists.
1877
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,360
[applause]
1878
01:19:17,370 --> 01:19:19,960
[Mahershala]
In American, pre-9/11,
1879
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,750
Muslims were able to...
1880
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:25,670
navigate and move around
in the country a certain way.
1881
01:19:25,870 --> 01:19:27,510
I remember doing a show,
1882
01:19:27,710 --> 01:19:29,470
and I was one of the principles
on the show.
1883
01:19:29,670 --> 01:19:32,050
It was my first big
television opportunity.
1884
01:19:32,250 --> 01:19:34,680
And then,
when the towers fell,
1885
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:36,640
it was like
there was this drastic change,
1886
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,270
and I was experiencing
something that was so beyond me
1887
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:42,400
that I didn't have
any control over.
1888
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:43,900
It was a thing
where I was, like,
1889
01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:46,110
I saw myself
being phased out.
1890
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:48,900
And 19 episodes in,
I got fired.
1891
01:19:49,100 --> 01:19:51,110
-[reciting in Arabic]
-[Glass] I would have preferred
1892
01:19:51,310 --> 01:19:54,200
if I was Mahmoud's agent
at that time,
1893
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,120
to represent him
on September 10th,
1894
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,200
you know what I mean?
'Cause, September 12th,
1895
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,670
it was hard to represent
a Muslim player
1896
01:20:01,870 --> 01:20:03,830
named Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.
1897
01:20:04,030 --> 01:20:06,840
[crowd]
No mosque! No mosque!
1898
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,670
[woman] This is not
about peaceful Islamic people.
1899
01:20:09,870 --> 01:20:12,720
This is about extremist groups
that are going to be here.
1900
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,180
[man] I don't wanna go
through the Constitution.
1901
01:20:15,380 --> 01:20:17,140
I know what
the Constitution says.
1902
01:20:17,340 --> 01:20:18,810
But they are spitting
in our face.
1903
01:20:19,010 --> 01:20:20,060
The mosque people.
1904
01:20:20,260 --> 01:20:21,690
[crowd shouting]
1905
01:20:21,890 --> 01:20:24,060
[Abdul-Rauf]
In the midst of all of that,
1906
01:20:24,260 --> 01:20:26,730
I got a call
from HBO Sports Talk,
1907
01:20:26,930 --> 01:20:29,230
and they said
HBO wanna come interview me.
1908
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,610
[Dotson] I used to tell
Mahmoud point-blank,
1909
01:20:32,810 --> 01:20:36,240
I hate for you to give
interviews because, when you do,
1910
01:20:36,440 --> 01:20:39,410
you don't get a job,
and people burn down our house.
1911
01:20:39,610 --> 01:20:41,960
I did not have any trust
that they were going to be
1912
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,710
objective in their reporting,
and I felt that
1913
01:20:44,910 --> 01:20:46,750
it was a roundabout way
to put a bullseye
1914
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:49,130
on his back
and pull the trigger.
1915
01:20:49,330 --> 01:20:51,710
But Mahmoud does
what he wants to do.
1916
01:20:53,210 --> 01:20:55,090
I don't feel like
being diplomatic,
1917
01:20:55,290 --> 01:20:57,470
so whatever you ask me,
we're going for it.
1918
01:20:57,670 --> 01:20:59,600
He sits me down,
and the first thing he says,
1919
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:00,890
he looks at me...
1920
01:21:01,090 --> 01:21:03,230
"So do you think
Bin Laden did it?"
1921
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:04,440
[laughing]
1922
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:06,940
I'm definitely, at this point,
1923
01:21:07,140 --> 01:21:09,020
{\an8} not convinced...
1924
01:21:09,220 --> 01:21:11,610
{\an8} that Osama Bin Laden
was involved.
1925
01:21:11,810 --> 01:21:14,360
{\an8} He is a suspect.
There's no evidence.
1926
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,610
{\an8} You think
it's likely that Arabs,
1927
01:21:16,820 --> 01:21:19,120
Muslims were not involved
in this thing?
1928
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,290
It's likely, I would say,
that they weren't involved.
1929
01:21:22,490 --> 01:21:23,960
-Were not.
-Right.
1930
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:25,620
They're saying
it's a war on terrorism,
1931
01:21:25,820 --> 01:21:27,630
but I don't believe that
that's the case.
1932
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:30,130
I think that's a euphemism
for a war on Islam.
1933
01:21:30,330 --> 01:21:32,300
I spoke my conscience,
1934
01:21:32,500 --> 01:21:35,130
and I mentioned some things
that people didn't like.
1935
01:21:35,330 --> 01:21:37,470
I posed questions
that people didn't like.
1936
01:21:37,670 --> 01:21:39,930
You think the Israelis might've
been behind what happened
1937
01:21:40,130 --> 01:21:41,310
-on September 11th?
-I don't know who was behind.
1938
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:43,180
There's a strong possibility
1939
01:21:43,380 --> 01:21:45,980
that a lot of people
could've been behind this.
1940
01:21:46,180 --> 01:21:47,650
All I'm saying is...
1941
01:21:47,850 --> 01:21:50,150
these are questions
that are valid questions.
1942
01:21:50,350 --> 01:21:53,820
So, don't just have me...
just because the media wanna
1943
01:21:54,020 --> 01:21:55,700
point the finger over here,
1944
01:21:55,900 --> 01:21:57,950
just to jump on that bandwagon
when there are a lot
1945
01:21:58,150 --> 01:21:59,320
of other questions
need to be answered.
1946
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,200
I'm at that point
in my life now,
1947
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,240
the truth means more to me
than anything.
1948
01:22:03,450 --> 01:22:05,210
I-- I've made a decision
that I'm gonna live and die
1949
01:22:05,410 --> 01:22:06,830
with a free conscience
and a free soul
1950
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:08,500
whether anybody likes it or not.
1951
01:22:08,700 --> 01:22:10,500
Do you understand how...
1952
01:22:10,700 --> 01:22:13,090
-It's unpopular.
-I mean-- unpopular, I mean--
1953
01:22:13,290 --> 01:22:15,130
Chaotic, all of those words.
1954
01:22:15,330 --> 01:22:16,630
"Crazy" is the word
I was gonna use.
1955
01:22:16,830 --> 01:22:18,930
Right, right, right.
1956
01:22:19,130 --> 01:22:21,600
Man, it was
an extensive conversation,
1957
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,770
which was terribly butchered.
1958
01:22:23,970 --> 01:22:25,640
And I said this to him,
I said, "But if you think
1959
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,810
that I'm gonna compromise
my integrity
1960
01:22:28,010 --> 01:22:30,520
and the truth for a paycheck,
you must be out your mind."
1961
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,360
Why aren't you in the NBA today?
1962
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,200
I think that...
it poses a problem...
1963
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,110
for the NBA's image...
1964
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,370
to have a guy...
1965
01:22:42,570 --> 01:22:44,240
that's willing...
1966
01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:47,250
to speak his conscience,
1967
01:22:47,450 --> 01:22:49,660
even when
it's not popular to do so.
1968
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,670
The interview went from,
like, six hours,
1969
01:22:53,870 --> 01:22:56,050
to the snippet that you see,
1970
01:22:56,250 --> 01:22:59,090
and at that point, I couldn't do
anything but drop my head
1971
01:22:59,290 --> 01:23:02,180
because I knew they had botched
everything that was said.
1972
01:23:02,380 --> 01:23:04,390
After that interview aired,
1973
01:23:04,590 --> 01:23:08,180
that's when my career was
beheaded for good.
1974
01:23:13,890 --> 01:23:17,030
I called around,
and I had several conversations
1975
01:23:17,230 --> 01:23:19,320
with a number of teams
in the NBA.
1976
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,240
The Phoenix Suns called me back
and said...
1977
01:23:22,440 --> 01:23:24,370
"I have no interest
in signing Mahmoud,
1978
01:23:24,570 --> 01:23:26,570
and it doesn't have anything
to do with basketball."
1979
01:23:28,830 --> 01:23:30,210
[Abdul-Rauf] A guy from
the Clippers came to me.
1980
01:23:30,410 --> 01:23:31,580
Assistant coach or something.
1981
01:23:31,780 --> 01:23:33,840
And he said,
"We need a guard."
1982
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:35,750
Elgin Baylor wants
to talk to you."
1983
01:23:35,950 --> 01:23:38,090
So I ended up coming,
and I'm sitting in the stands,
1984
01:23:38,290 --> 01:23:40,760
and I see Elgin
at the scorer's table.
1985
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,760
{\an8} After about maybe
15, 20 minutes,
1986
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,760
{\an8}the guy comes,
1987
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,600
{\an8} he says, "Mahmoud,
I apologize.
1988
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:48,270
{\an8}Elgin don't wanna talk
to you on account
1989
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:50,310
of what you said
on HBO."
1990
01:23:50,510 --> 01:23:52,100
[chuckling]
You already knew
1991
01:23:52,300 --> 01:23:54,980
I had an HBO interview
before you called me here.
1992
01:23:55,180 --> 01:23:56,940
So you must've went and said
something to somebody,
1993
01:23:57,140 --> 01:23:59,020
and they said,
"Hey, no, absolutely not."
1994
01:24:00,770 --> 01:24:02,820
[Kerr] He played
nine years in the league.
1995
01:24:03,020 --> 01:24:04,910
A player like that,
who's that skilled,
1996
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:06,740
should have a 15-year run.
1997
01:24:06,940 --> 01:24:10,250
It didn't dawn on me
that he was potentially
1998
01:24:10,450 --> 01:24:11,830
being blackballed
by the league.
1999
01:24:12,030 --> 01:24:14,330
But that's my own naivete.
2000
01:24:14,530 --> 01:24:16,040
[Shaq] He just took
a life of his own,
2001
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,210
and it seemed
like he was blackballed.
2002
01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:20,470
I don't wanna use that word,
but kinda seemed
2003
01:24:20,670 --> 01:24:22,510
like he was blackballed,
just kinda faded away.
2004
01:24:22,710 --> 01:24:24,640
He never got
the opportunities.
2005
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,640
[Polynice] He got banished,
he got thrown out
2006
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,430
with the bathwater.
All of that.
2007
01:24:29,630 --> 01:24:32,100
They just didn't want him
a part of the NBA anymore.
2008
01:24:32,300 --> 01:24:34,810
So, whatever terminology
that they wanted to use,
2009
01:24:35,010 --> 01:24:37,320
that's what happened
to Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.
2010
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,490
[Ice Cube] Without that stand,
he would've played another
2011
01:24:40,690 --> 01:24:42,570
seven, eight years.
2012
01:24:42,770 --> 01:24:44,660
There's so many guys
good enough to play
2013
01:24:44,860 --> 01:24:48,830
that don't have a job
because of... other things.
2014
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:50,620
This is an "other thing."
2015
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,830
[Roberts]
Because he spoke his mind
2016
01:24:54,030 --> 01:24:56,170
and what he believed,
you blackball him,
2017
01:24:56,370 --> 01:24:58,000
you ruin his career.
2018
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,340
You cut his--
his lifeline off.
2019
01:25:00,540 --> 01:25:01,970
It's all about
revenue for them,
2020
01:25:02,170 --> 01:25:04,630
and if one fan thinks
something is wrong,
2021
01:25:04,830 --> 01:25:06,140
then they're gonna try
to figure out
2022
01:25:06,340 --> 01:25:07,640
how to make that one fan happy,
2023
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,600
and that's not right.
2024
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,060
If I were to have a $5 bill,
2025
01:25:12,260 --> 01:25:15,600
and I had to lay it on
was he blackballed,
2026
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:17,270
or wasn't he,
and this is all the money
2027
01:25:17,470 --> 01:25:18,890
I'm gonna have
the rest of my life...
2028
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,110
I'd say he was blackballed.
2029
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:23,940
[soft sob]
2030
01:25:25,820 --> 01:25:27,780
That's not right.
2031
01:25:30,570 --> 01:25:34,790
One of the greatest players
in the history of the NBA
2032
01:25:34,990 --> 01:25:37,540
was cheated
out of his career.
2033
01:25:37,740 --> 01:25:39,040
2034
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,840
So somebody needs
to speak up,
2035
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,290
and if you don't speak up,
you're a coward.
2036
01:25:46,170 --> 01:25:47,970
[Rose] He's allowed,
in my opinion,
2037
01:25:48,170 --> 01:25:50,010
to express himself
how he chooses.
2038
01:25:50,210 --> 01:25:51,640
I thought that's
what being a free country
2039
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,390
was actually all about.
2040
01:25:54,590 --> 01:25:56,390
People got mad at Mahmoud
2041
01:25:56,590 --> 01:25:58,230
for not standing for the anthem,
2042
01:25:58,430 --> 01:26:01,270
for the same reason
he maintained his dignity
2043
01:26:01,470 --> 01:26:03,230
when he lost everything.
2044
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:05,070
His religion.
2045
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:08,410
They wanted him out,
by all means.
2046
01:26:08,610 --> 01:26:13,530
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf was
"whiteballed" from the NBA.
2047
01:26:16,830 --> 01:26:18,750
[Abdul-Rauf]
I went through a period,
2048
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:21,130
and I don't want anybody
to have pity for me.
2049
01:26:21,330 --> 01:26:24,010
And there are even people
that are so close to me
2050
01:26:24,210 --> 01:26:28,220
that don't even know this,
but I literally went broke.
2051
01:26:28,420 --> 01:26:29,930
When I say broke, "zero."
2052
01:26:30,130 --> 01:26:33,220
I was living with my sister...
2053
01:26:33,420 --> 01:26:36,230
with our five kids...
2054
01:26:36,430 --> 01:26:39,020
to give
some sense of normalcy.
2055
01:26:41,310 --> 01:26:43,020
[Abdul-Rauf]
I'm in this big house
2056
01:26:43,220 --> 01:26:44,860
with no heat,
2057
01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:47,400
balled up
in a blanket.
2058
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:49,230
Trying to stay warm.
2059
01:26:50,570 --> 01:26:52,280
Going back
to what I used to do,
2060
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:56,410
eating rice,
butter, things.
2061
01:26:56,610 --> 01:26:58,040
Trying to figure out,
man, what--
2062
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,080
what in the hell
am I gonna do?
2063
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:01,880
It's hard going
from somebody who's been
2064
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:03,800
in the spotlight
your entire life,
2065
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,840
entire, and now,
2066
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,840
there's no spotlight, nothing.
2067
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:14,890
[Abdul-Rauf] Sometimes
we have to go so low,
2068
01:27:15,090 --> 01:27:16,850
whether it's traumatic
or what have you,
2069
01:27:17,050 --> 01:27:19,310
to open our eyes.
2070
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:21,440
And, at that moment,
2071
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,390
you are in a way rebirthed.
2072
01:27:27,980 --> 01:27:30,990
I prayed a lot.
I was patient.
2073
01:27:31,190 --> 01:27:32,910
And somebody asked me,
"Hey, man, would you train?"
2074
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:34,160
I ain't even know
what they charge,
2075
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:35,990
but I know I needed to eat.
2076
01:27:36,190 --> 01:27:38,540
Push it, push it, faster!
Come on, push yourself!
2077
01:27:38,740 --> 01:27:40,580
[Sheppard] He works
with several NBA players.
2078
01:27:40,780 --> 01:27:43,500
He's a skill development coach
that gets players ready
2079
01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:45,500
for the draft.
He works with youth.
2080
01:27:45,700 --> 01:27:48,420
{\an8} He's a fantastic developer
of talent.
2081
01:27:48,620 --> 01:27:49,920
{\an8}[Abdul-Rauf] Go!
2082
01:27:51,420 --> 01:27:52,670
{\an8} Go!
2083
01:27:54,090 --> 01:27:56,180
{\an8} [Abdul-Rauf] In the process
of that, someone called me.
2084
01:27:56,380 --> 01:27:59,020
He said, "Hey, man,
we wanna invite you to speak."
2085
01:27:59,220 --> 01:28:01,140
Jumped on it.
I went out.
2086
01:28:01,340 --> 01:28:02,650
I didn't know
he was filming it.
2087
01:28:02,850 --> 01:28:04,610
Just like Malcolm,
when he said,
2088
01:28:04,810 --> 01:28:06,320
"Look, it doesn't matter.
2089
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,650
You know, your color,
religion, or whatever."
2090
01:28:08,850 --> 01:28:11,400
[Abdul-Rauf] He ends up,
without my permission,
2091
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,490
putting it on YouTube.
2092
01:28:13,690 --> 01:28:15,280
Before you know it,
I start getting
2093
01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:17,240
a lot of speaking engagements.
2094
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:19,790
Money start rolling in.
It helped a lot.
2095
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:21,790
That came from constant,
day-in and day-out...
2096
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:24,670
[Abdul-Rauf]
In every area of my life,
2097
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:28,170
I'm trying to leave
no stones unturned.
2098
01:28:30,630 --> 01:28:32,670
[thunder rumbling]
2099
01:28:39,050 --> 01:28:41,350
[Dotson]
If you know Mahmoud,
2100
01:28:41,550 --> 01:28:43,020
you know that
he's always striving
2101
01:28:43,220 --> 01:28:46,100
to be better tomorrow
than he is today.
2102
01:28:47,980 --> 01:28:49,780
But I think
that a lot of things
2103
01:28:49,980 --> 01:28:52,270
may have caused him
to be more closed off.
2104
01:28:54,860 --> 01:28:57,410
And I think everything can
be traced back to
2105
01:28:57,610 --> 01:29:00,820
how he always wanted to know
who his father was.
2106
01:29:02,740 --> 01:29:05,630
[Abdul-Rauf] I remember
my mother on her deathbed,
2107
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:10,090
she was battling cancer,
it was very painful for her.
2108
01:29:10,290 --> 01:29:12,880
I wanted to ask her
who my father was.
2109
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:14,800
It's a piece of my history
that's missing
2110
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,340
that I'd like to know.
2111
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,260
But my heart wouldn't let me,
2112
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:22,480
because I didn't want her
thinking that
2113
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:24,390
me wanting
the answer to that
2114
01:29:24,590 --> 01:29:27,020
was more important
than what she was going through.
2115
01:29:27,220 --> 01:29:30,070
So, I just let her die
with that on her soul.
2116
01:29:30,270 --> 01:29:32,030
[soft chatter]
2117
01:29:32,230 --> 01:29:33,780
[Dotson]
Nothing could ever change
2118
01:29:33,980 --> 01:29:36,070
how much he loved
that little woman.
2119
01:29:36,270 --> 01:29:38,370
He just wanted to know.
2120
01:29:38,570 --> 01:29:40,330
And I know that
that hurt him
2121
01:29:40,530 --> 01:29:42,030
'cause she would not tell him.
2122
01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:47,460
[Abdul-Rauf]
Especially as African-Americans,
2123
01:29:47,660 --> 01:29:51,000
our histories in so many ways
have been erased,
2124
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,380
and I think it's important
to know our history.
2125
01:29:53,580 --> 01:29:55,340
Not just where we come from,
2126
01:29:55,540 --> 01:29:58,140
but also it gives you
a sense of who you are.
2127
01:29:58,340 --> 01:30:00,140
I wanna find out
everything there is
2128
01:30:00,340 --> 01:30:02,060
possibly to know.
2129
01:30:02,260 --> 01:30:04,140
{\an8} We have been,
throughout this journey
2130
01:30:04,340 --> 01:30:08,560
{\an8} and process, talking
to your family.
2131
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,560
{\an8} They wanna meet you.
2132
01:30:11,940 --> 01:30:13,730
[Abdul-Rauf] If a person is
willing to meet me,
2133
01:30:13,940 --> 01:30:15,650
at the minimum,
I'm gonna meet you.
2134
01:30:15,850 --> 01:30:17,320
I like to build bridges.
2135
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,120
-How you doing?
-Brian.
2136
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:20,490
All right, Mahmoud,
2137
01:30:20,690 --> 01:30:21,910
nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
2138
01:30:22,110 --> 01:30:23,490
{\an8}-Chip.
-All right, Chip.
2139
01:30:23,690 --> 01:30:25,620
{\an8}[Abdul-Rauf] It's been,
like, 53 years.
2140
01:30:25,820 --> 01:30:28,830
{\an8} You know, we had a genealogist
to do the homework
2141
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:30,670
that has led me to this point.
2142
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:33,340
You put Gulfport
on the map in my book.
2143
01:30:33,540 --> 01:30:35,590
I appreciate it.
I appreciate it.
2144
01:30:38,460 --> 01:30:42,140
[Berry] Your family...
is one of the founding families
2145
01:30:42,340 --> 01:30:44,680
in the Gulfport region.
2146
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,520
You come from
a basketball family.
2147
01:30:51,690 --> 01:30:53,820
One of your relatives...
2148
01:30:54,020 --> 01:30:56,360
Wendell Ladner,
2149
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,320
played in the ABA
with Dr. J.
2150
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:01,950
and also...
2151
01:31:02,150 --> 01:31:04,450
{\an8} with one of your NBA coaches.
2152
01:31:06,740 --> 01:31:09,670
{\an8}[Abdul-Rauf] You know,
when I think about Mississippi,
2153
01:31:09,870 --> 01:31:13,460
{\an8} when I think about
just the legacy of slavery...
2154
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,380
[soft sobs]
2155
01:31:17,580 --> 01:31:19,630
watching...
2156
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:22,470
my mother struggle...
2157
01:31:22,670 --> 01:31:25,890
and then, after a life
comes into this world,
2158
01:31:26,090 --> 01:31:29,140
that you don't
acknowledge that.
2159
01:31:29,340 --> 01:31:32,400
Especially if you were wealthy
and you were doing well,
2160
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:34,520
knowing how we were living,
2161
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,230
no food at times,
no clothes.
2162
01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:40,570
The possibility
of you knowing all of this time
2163
01:31:40,770 --> 01:31:42,530
and just saying nothing.
2164
01:31:42,730 --> 01:31:44,740
You know, to me,
that's a coward.
2165
01:31:44,940 --> 01:31:46,540
I've dealt with this
for years.
2166
01:31:46,740 --> 01:31:48,950
I've used it
as a tool to drive me.
2167
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:50,710
Uh, but still,
2168
01:31:50,910 --> 01:31:52,660
it's a missing piece.
2169
01:31:54,830 --> 01:31:56,420
I'm not saying
it's a full relief,
2170
01:31:56,620 --> 01:31:57,920
but it's something
that I can, you know,
2171
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:00,090
at least I can
tell my children.
2172
01:32:00,290 --> 01:32:02,090
You never know
how that could impact them,
2173
01:32:02,290 --> 01:32:05,550
motivate them,
'cause information is power.
2174
01:32:11,220 --> 01:32:12,900
Throughout
the course of my life,
2175
01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:14,940
from ten years old on,
2176
01:32:15,140 --> 01:32:17,190
I'd grown comfortable
of the fact that
2177
01:32:17,390 --> 01:32:19,440
this is something
that I'll probably never know,
2178
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:23,360
and it didn't stop me
from pursuing my dreams.
2179
01:32:24,900 --> 01:32:29,120
I'm relentless in the pursuit
of striving for the truth,
2180
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,250
and striving
to live that truth.
2181
01:32:32,450 --> 01:32:34,790
Even amidst the flaws.
2182
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:39,090
[Rose] Mahmoud had
to take a turbulent ride
2183
01:32:39,290 --> 01:32:43,130
of trauma, of neglect.
2184
01:32:43,330 --> 01:32:45,260
That's how we get treated
2185
01:32:45,460 --> 01:32:47,100
when we take a stand
2186
01:32:47,300 --> 01:32:48,970
that mass media and America
2187
01:32:49,170 --> 01:32:50,850
doesn't necessarily agree with.
2188
01:32:51,050 --> 01:32:53,020
[crowd murmurs]
2189
01:32:53,220 --> 01:32:55,770
[reporter] 49ers quarterback
Colin Kaepernick says
2190
01:32:55,970 --> 01:32:57,650
he did the right thing
when he sat out
2191
01:32:57,850 --> 01:32:59,780
{\an8}the national anthem
ahead of his team's
2192
01:32:59,980 --> 01:33:01,820
{\an8}preseason game on Friday.
2193
01:33:02,020 --> 01:33:03,860
{\an8}When I saw
Kaepernick's protest,
2194
01:33:04,060 --> 01:33:05,450
{\an8}I would say
history repeats itself.
2195
01:33:05,650 --> 01:33:07,580
{\an8}I'm gonna continue
to stand with the people,
2196
01:33:07,780 --> 01:33:08,910
without being oppressed.
2197
01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:11,870
{\an8}[crowd booing]
2198
01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:13,710
{\an8}[Abdul-Rauf] Just to see
what he was going through,
2199
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:17,330
{\an8} the ridicule, the remarks,
the death threats.
2200
01:33:17,540 --> 01:33:20,300
{\an8} He's un-American, and he doesn't
deserve to be in our country.
2201
01:33:20,500 --> 01:33:22,510
All white--
all lives matter!
2202
01:33:22,710 --> 01:33:25,130
[Abdul-Rauf]
The playing time reduction.
2203
01:33:25,330 --> 01:33:27,680
I said, "Wow,
this looks so familiar."
2204
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:30,680
Get that son of a bitch
off the field, right now.
2205
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:32,930
Out. He's fired.
2206
01:33:33,130 --> 01:33:35,020
He's fired!
2207
01:33:35,220 --> 01:33:37,020
{\an8} [crowd cheering]
2208
01:33:37,220 --> 01:33:38,690
{\an8}[Abdul-Rauf]
One of the differences
2209
01:33:38,890 --> 01:33:40,520
{\an8} was social media.
2210
01:33:40,730 --> 01:33:43,190
All right,
we didn't have that luxury.
2211
01:33:43,390 --> 01:33:45,860
People can get on.
Throw pictures.
2212
01:33:46,060 --> 01:33:47,450
Show that they're not standing.
2213
01:33:47,650 --> 01:33:50,660
"I support you."
And millions see it.
2214
01:33:51,700 --> 01:33:53,370
So it kind of
forces sometimes
2215
01:33:53,570 --> 01:33:56,080
the media to say,
"Are you gonna be with them,
2216
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:57,880
or are you gonna go
against the grain
2217
01:33:58,080 --> 01:33:59,500
-of all of these people?"
-[leader] No justice!
2218
01:33:59,700 --> 01:34:01,460
-No peace!
-No justice!
2219
01:34:02,540 --> 01:34:03,920
[Krieger]
Mahmoud was caught
2220
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,800
in a sort of an odd
historical window.
2221
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,140
You had precedence
in Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
2222
01:34:10,340 --> 01:34:12,770
Muhammad Ali,
and Malcolm X,
2223
01:34:12,970 --> 01:34:15,350
all of whom grew
out of a very
2224
01:34:15,550 --> 01:34:17,600
politically active period.
2225
01:34:19,060 --> 01:34:21,270
Fast-forward
to where we are today,
2226
01:34:21,470 --> 01:34:24,570
and you have Black Lives Matter,
2227
01:34:24,770 --> 01:34:27,910
and Colin Kaepernick grows
out of that period.
2228
01:34:28,110 --> 01:34:31,080
For Mahmoud
to come out when he did,
2229
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:32,910
he didn't have any company.
2230
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:35,580
He didn't have
a lot of support.
2231
01:34:35,780 --> 01:34:37,330
[Aldridge]
The media was not his friend.
2232
01:34:37,530 --> 01:34:39,080
The NBA certainly wasn't.
2233
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,420
The players left him
out on an island by himself.
2234
01:34:42,620 --> 01:34:45,920
So, everybody owes him
an apology.
2235
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:49,510
He didn't change.
The view of him changed.
2236
01:34:49,710 --> 01:34:52,100
So, when you start talking
about the people that owe him
2237
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:56,180
an apology,
the fans, the media,
2238
01:34:56,380 --> 01:35:00,270
the league,
the coaches...
2239
01:35:00,470 --> 01:35:02,520
and the players.
2240
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:04,570
Because we should've
covered him.
2241
01:35:04,770 --> 01:35:06,320
We should've had his back,
2242
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:07,860
and we didn't.
2243
01:35:09,860 --> 01:35:11,160
[Abdul-Rauf]
After all of these years,
2244
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:12,580
when I go
through airports,
2245
01:35:12,780 --> 01:35:14,240
and I go through cities,
I don't know
2246
01:35:14,440 --> 01:35:16,290
how many times
people have come up to me,
2247
01:35:16,490 --> 01:35:18,710
and they say, "Man,
I just wanna apologize to you.
2248
01:35:18,910 --> 01:35:20,290
I-- I didn't like you.
2249
01:35:20,490 --> 01:35:22,420
I mean, I thought
you were seriously wrong.
2250
01:35:22,620 --> 01:35:24,590
But I was wrong,
and I just wanna tell you,
2251
01:35:24,790 --> 01:35:26,960
man, I appreciate you
for doing what you did."
2252
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:29,510
If I had a hundred dollars
every time I heard that,
2253
01:35:29,710 --> 01:35:32,390
I'd probably have the equivalent
of an NBA contract.
2254
01:35:32,590 --> 01:35:34,470
[Miller] I asked
Coach Jenkins, I said,
2255
01:35:34,670 --> 01:35:36,430
"Coach, you went
to World War II,
2256
01:35:36,630 --> 01:35:39,060
you lost your leg.
Were you bothered by that
2257
01:35:39,260 --> 01:35:40,730
when he didn't stand
for the flag?"
2258
01:35:40,930 --> 01:35:42,650
He said, "No, not at all,
that's one of the reasons
2259
01:35:42,850 --> 01:35:44,400
I went to war,
so people would have
2260
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,610
that right in this country."
2261
01:35:46,810 --> 01:35:49,610
When you have
so much misinformation
2262
01:35:49,810 --> 01:35:51,660
or highlighting
of dark actions
2263
01:35:51,860 --> 01:35:54,740
by people who may claim to--
2264
01:35:54,940 --> 01:35:57,120
to be Muslim, I think
it's really important
2265
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,080
to have the microphone
on the same volume
2266
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,290
for all the good deeds
2267
01:36:03,490 --> 01:36:05,040
and the acts of generosity
2268
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,590
that Muslims exhibit
around the world.
2269
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,090
I think it's important
because it's about balance,
2270
01:36:12,290 --> 01:36:13,930
understanding
that we're all human,
2271
01:36:14,130 --> 01:36:16,850
that we're all essentially
2272
01:36:17,050 --> 01:36:18,720
made the same
at our essence.
2273
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:23,100
And the rest of it is
so much about our choices.
2274
01:36:23,300 --> 01:36:25,400
He blazed a trail,
and I know that was not
2275
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:27,360
an easy thing
by any stretch.
2276
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:29,570
You wanna celebrate
everything that he's about.
2277
01:36:29,770 --> 01:36:31,900
Not just that moment,
but that is a huge moment
2278
01:36:32,100 --> 01:36:35,070
to know that he paved the way
for our opinions and voice
2279
01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:37,160
and what matters to us,
outside of just putting
2280
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:38,870
a ball in a basket,
it's part of us being
2281
01:36:39,070 --> 01:36:40,780
human beings as well.
2282
01:36:42,580 --> 01:36:45,630
One of my favorite
pictures in sports
2283
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:47,840
-is the Ali summit.
-Love it.
2284
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:49,960
-It's worth a thousand words.
-Yeah.
2285
01:36:51,250 --> 01:36:53,180
Muhammad Ali,
Jim Brown,
2286
01:36:53,380 --> 01:36:56,010
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
Bill Russell.
2287
01:36:56,210 --> 01:36:59,060
Game-changing agents in sports
2288
01:36:59,260 --> 01:37:01,140
that used that platform
2289
01:37:01,340 --> 01:37:03,390
to allow their voices
to be heard.
2290
01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:05,270
I make sure I say,
"Hey, y'all...
2291
01:37:05,470 --> 01:37:06,940
-[chuckling]
-...don't forget
2292
01:37:07,140 --> 01:37:10,110
about Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf."
2293
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:12,150
I don't think
there's any question that
2294
01:37:12,350 --> 01:37:13,950
he belongs
in the pantheon of athletes
2295
01:37:14,150 --> 01:37:16,820
like John Carlos
and Tommie Smith.
2296
01:37:17,020 --> 01:37:19,790
His willingness to take a stand
2297
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:22,660
in an era where very few
2298
01:37:22,860 --> 01:37:25,120
pro athletes did this,
2299
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,080
you can make
a very credible argument
2300
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,670
that it cost him
his career to do so.
2301
01:37:29,870 --> 01:37:31,380
But he never gave in.
2302
01:37:31,580 --> 01:37:33,170
And he should be
championed for that.
2303
01:37:33,370 --> 01:37:35,880
He should be celebrated
for that.
2304
01:37:37,630 --> 01:37:39,850
[Mahershala]
My true hope would be that
2305
01:37:40,050 --> 01:37:42,180
athletes, entertainers,
2306
01:37:42,380 --> 01:37:46,440
actors, weren't needed
as message carriers.
2307
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,270
But sometimes
it takes celebrities
2308
01:37:49,470 --> 01:37:52,570
who have the power
to speak to certain issues
2309
01:37:52,770 --> 01:37:55,450
to step up
and articulate themselves
2310
01:37:55,650 --> 01:37:57,190
on behalf
of the people that can't.
2311
01:37:59,070 --> 01:38:01,950
I think
what he did was so mature
2312
01:38:02,150 --> 01:38:04,000
from the standpoint
of knowing that,
2313
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,250
this is finite,
you know, this career
2314
01:38:06,450 --> 01:38:08,710
and this time,
this game is finite,
2315
01:38:08,910 --> 01:38:11,340
but these choices,
my contributions to this world,
2316
01:38:11,540 --> 01:38:13,340
like, those actions
2317
01:38:13,540 --> 01:38:15,500
have a different shelf life.
2318
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:18,840
[Ice Cube] He gained
a lot of my respect
2319
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:22,010
for the stand
he took in the NBA,
2320
01:38:22,210 --> 01:38:25,350
and then we come around with
a league like the BIG3...
2321
01:38:25,550 --> 01:38:29,230
to re-introduce the world
to Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
2322
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:31,020
as a pro basketball player.
2323
01:38:31,220 --> 01:38:32,940
[commentator]
Mahmoud, he's gonna pull it--
2324
01:38:33,140 --> 01:38:34,740
[cheering]
2325
01:38:34,940 --> 01:38:36,860
[Rose] The BIG3 is
one of the greatest things
2326
01:38:37,060 --> 01:38:38,570
to ever happen
to retired players.
2327
01:38:38,770 --> 01:38:40,570
They still in shape.
2328
01:38:40,770 --> 01:38:42,450
They still love the game.
2329
01:38:42,650 --> 01:38:45,160
{\an8} They still wanna give back
to the game.
2330
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:47,250
{\an8}[commentator]
The kick out to box move!
2331
01:38:47,450 --> 01:38:48,750
{\an8} Yes!
2332
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:50,920
Being a part of the BIG3
2333
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:52,420
after all of these years,
2334
01:38:52,620 --> 01:38:54,760
it re-created
this conversation,
2335
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:56,760
like, man,
y'all did him wrong.
2336
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,640
He's fifty-something,
and he's still moving like that.
2337
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,970
In Oakland,
he had over 20 points,
2338
01:39:04,170 --> 01:39:07,020
{\an8}and we'd always have
a game-winning shot.
2339
01:39:07,220 --> 01:39:10,690
{\an8} [commentator]
Pull, for three! Yeah!
2340
01:39:10,890 --> 01:39:12,900
{\an8} [Abdul-Rauf] The way I used
to train, and when I'm training
2341
01:39:13,100 --> 01:39:15,070
these NBA guys,
I tell 'em the same thing.
2342
01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:16,860
If you're not flirting
with death
2343
01:39:17,060 --> 01:39:18,280
{\an8} or contemplating quitting,
2344
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:20,410
{\an8} you're not trying hard enough.
2345
01:39:20,610 --> 01:39:21,950
{\an8}[Amir Abdul-Rauf]
He's a great dad,
2346
01:39:22,150 --> 01:39:23,580
great coach, great mentor.
2347
01:39:23,780 --> 01:39:25,120
If he don't think
I did something right,
2348
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:26,750
there's many times
I have to go over,
2349
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:28,250
until he feels like I do.
2350
01:39:28,450 --> 01:39:30,210
[Abdul-Rauf]
There ya go! Good!
2351
01:39:30,410 --> 01:39:32,000
All Amir wants to do is
2352
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:35,090
to pick up
where his father left off.
2353
01:39:35,290 --> 01:39:38,800
To see Mahmoud's son playing
for the son of the man
2354
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,640
{\an8} who was his first agent,
you can't make that up.
2355
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,970
{\an8}[commentator] Here's Abdul-Rauf,
again from three!
2356
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,020
{\an8} [Ice Cube] He's gonna play
as long as he wanna play.
2357
01:39:48,220 --> 01:39:51,440
{\an8} And when he retires
from the BIG3,
2358
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:53,180
{\an8} it's gonna be on his terms.
2359
01:39:56,980 --> 01:39:59,320
{\an8} [Hastings] Now,
we get to look in hindsight,
2360
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,660
{\an8}knowing the things
he went through.
2361
01:40:01,860 --> 01:40:03,530
{\an8} Whether it was the Tourette's.
2362
01:40:03,730 --> 01:40:05,240
Whether it was his protests.
2363
01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:08,580
It felt like he got
comfortable with himself,
2364
01:40:08,780 --> 01:40:12,040
and he accepted who he was.
2365
01:40:13,540 --> 01:40:15,420
[Abdul-Rauf] I don't think
we can talk to anyone
2366
01:40:15,620 --> 01:40:18,590
who reached
some levels of success...
2367
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:20,920
you've had to go through
some type of struggle
2368
01:40:21,130 --> 01:40:22,670
to get there.
2369
01:40:24,340 --> 01:40:26,760
George Washington Carver said
no one has the right
2370
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,220
to come into this world
and go out of it
2371
01:40:29,420 --> 01:40:32,100
without leaving behind
distinct and legitimate reasons
2372
01:40:32,300 --> 01:40:33,310
for having
passed through it.
2373
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:35,610
[camera snaps]
2374
01:40:35,810 --> 01:40:37,230
I'm grateful for being
able to be drafted.
2375
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:40,900
I'm grateful
to have been able to play.
2376
01:40:41,100 --> 01:40:42,950
But on the flip side
of that too,
2377
01:40:43,150 --> 01:40:45,280
the NBA should be grateful
that we're playing,
2378
01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:47,030
'cause it's a two-way street.
2379
01:40:49,530 --> 01:40:51,330
If the only thing
you remember about Mahmoud,
2380
01:40:51,530 --> 01:40:53,120
"Oh, my goodness,
he had a quick release,
2381
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:54,630
he could play basketball,"
2382
01:40:54,830 --> 01:40:56,130
but I never stood
for anything,
2383
01:40:56,330 --> 01:40:57,790
that's a waste.
2384
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,460
But if I can say,
"Okay, you got this,
2385
01:41:00,660 --> 01:41:03,840
it wasn't as long
he may have preferred,
2386
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:06,470
but wow,
he took positions
2387
01:41:06,670 --> 01:41:08,470
that was bigger than himself,"
2388
01:41:08,670 --> 01:41:11,310
I'm happy about it.
I'm at peace.
2389
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:15,100
2390
01:41:15,300 --> 01:41:18,440
What did he do that was
so damaging to the fabric
2391
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:20,280
of this country?
2392
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:23,240
He said, "I don't wanna
come out for the anthem,"
2393
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:26,820
the national anthem,
which, by its very playing,
2394
01:41:27,020 --> 01:41:30,830
before every sporting event,
is a political act.
2395
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:33,410
The part of the anthem
we don't sing,
2396
01:41:33,610 --> 01:41:36,250
the third stanza,
which nobody sings,
2397
01:41:36,450 --> 01:41:37,960
'cause it's not taught to them,
2398
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:40,960
is all about former slaves
and mercenaries
2399
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:42,670
fighting on the side
of the British
2400
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:46,050
and how we wish them nothing
but ill and death.
2401
01:41:46,250 --> 01:41:48,970
The anthem is
an inherently political song,
2402
01:41:49,170 --> 01:41:51,680
and we play it
for every sporting event
2403
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:54,180
in this country,
and one person said,
2404
01:41:54,380 --> 01:41:57,310
"You know what,
I have a problem with that."
2405
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:59,900
And he didn't get to play
basketball as a result of it.
2406
01:42:00,100 --> 01:42:02,270
His career ended
because of it.
2407
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:07,240
I'd rather go broke
and be on the street,
2408
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,990
than to lose my principles.
2409
01:42:10,190 --> 01:42:12,870
And I'm not just saying that
because it sounds pious.
2410
01:42:13,070 --> 01:42:16,330
And I'm not... saying it
to make it sound easy.
2411
01:42:16,530 --> 01:42:18,660
-[crowd applauding]
-I mean, that's hard.
2412
01:42:21,290 --> 01:42:23,210
My experience has
shown me that
2413
01:42:23,410 --> 01:42:25,510
transformation is possible.
2414
01:42:25,710 --> 01:42:28,550
What I see ahead for myself is
to continue to transform.
2415
01:42:28,750 --> 01:42:30,890
To continue to evolve.
2416
01:42:31,090 --> 01:42:33,680
[announcer] Please rise
for the national anthem.
2417
01:42:35,140 --> 01:42:36,890
Oh, say
2418
01:42:37,090 --> 01:42:41,060
Can you see...
2419
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:43,860
By the dawn's
2420
01:42:44,060 --> 01:42:46,900
Early light
2421
01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:49,360
[Abdul-Rauf]
My greatest hope,
2422
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:52,410
if I was to meet God one day,
2423
01:42:52,610 --> 01:42:55,040
and I'm sitting there
on Judgment Day,
2424
01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:58,540
and he says to me, "Mahmoud,
what do you have for me?"
2425
01:43:00,910 --> 01:43:02,340
Man, if I can say,
"I don't have nothing left,
2426
01:43:02,540 --> 01:43:04,420
I used everything
you gave me,"
2427
01:43:04,620 --> 01:43:06,970
that's my greatest hope.
2428
01:43:07,170 --> 01:43:10,380
[rumbling tone]
2429
01:43:13,300 --> 01:43:16,100
[static whining]
2430
01:43:16,300 --> 01:43:18,510
2431
01:43:27,820 --> 01:43:29,860
[projector whirring]
2432
01:43:36,570 --> 01:43:39,290
Everything's changing
around me
2433
01:43:39,490 --> 01:43:41,880
And I wanna change too
2434
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,130
There's one thing I know
2435
01:43:44,330 --> 01:43:46,800
It ain't cool
bein' no fool
2436
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,130
I feel different today
2437
01:43:49,330 --> 01:43:52,050
I don't know
what else to say
2438
01:43:52,250 --> 01:43:54,760
But I'mma get
my shit together
2439
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:56,810
It's now or never
2440
01:43:57,010 --> 01:43:59,350
Now or never,
now or never...
2441
01:44:00,930 --> 01:44:03,150
Ugh, I'm sick,
sick of waiting in vain
2442
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:05,690
Tired of playin' the game,
thinkin' of makin' a change
2443
01:44:05,890 --> 01:44:07,980
Finally breakin'
the chains, every phase,
2444
01:44:08,190 --> 01:44:09,950
Every happenin', craze,
when it's said and done
2445
01:44:10,150 --> 01:44:11,780
My head is
right back in the haze
2446
01:44:11,980 --> 01:44:13,570
I'm ready
for the next chapter and page
2447
01:44:13,770 --> 01:44:15,580
To start actin' my age
and part ways
2448
01:44:15,780 --> 01:44:17,490
With Black Thought
from back in the days
2449
01:44:17,690 --> 01:44:19,700
I'm stargazin'
from the back of the stage
2450
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:22,170
Questionin' if who y'all
praise is worthy of praise
2451
01:44:22,370 --> 01:44:24,170
What's the phrase,
"bygones is bygones"
2452
01:44:24,370 --> 01:44:26,800
Niggas who used to be
the underdog is icons
2453
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,420
People say the light shines
once in a lifetime
2454
01:44:29,620 --> 01:44:32,680
Is this mid-life kind of
crisis a little bit like mine
2455
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,850
I'm thinkin' not now,
but right now I need
2456
01:44:35,050 --> 01:44:37,140
Some kind of sign
that the future is bright now
2457
01:44:37,340 --> 01:44:38,970
I fuck around,
do the right thing
2458
01:44:39,170 --> 01:44:40,770
Like Spike now,
the quick and the dead
2459
01:44:40,970 --> 01:44:42,190
Which one is
my lookalike now?
2460
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:44,190
I'm movin' ahead...
2461
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:46,440
2462
01:45:16,340 --> 01:45:18,430
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