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I'm Joshua Pell.
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I'm a retail assistant
at the National Gallery.
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Being at the gallery was
the main reason
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I applied for the job
in the first place.
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My dad brought me here once
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when we visited London
when I was maybe 11 or 12.
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I love the memories of being here.
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My favourite painting
at the National Gallery
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is The Adoration Of The Kings
by Jan Brueghel the Elder.
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And he could have just maybe shown
a nativity scene,
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that you would want it to look like.
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I love that he's chosen
not to do that.
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The first time I saw it was
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during a lesson
with the Royal Drawing School,
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where I had to choose a picture
to draw for five weeks.
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The building just leaped out at me,
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and I thought it was beautiful.
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I think it reminds me a lot
of buildings
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that I've seen around Hull,
where I grew up.
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And Hull, given that it is a kind of
post-industrial town in the North,
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has a lot
of that kind of urban decay.
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I was always fascinated
with those buildings
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that felt like
they'd been forgotten about.
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I grew up there
in a working-class environment,
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and my love of art
really came from my dad.
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He worked in an industrial estate
near where I grew up.
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He would drive through
there to get to work.
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We would go with him,
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and I would just stare
out of the window
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at these buildings every day.
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And I still have very vivid memories
of that.
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When I saw this picture,
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it gave me that feeling -
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and I think I've been looking for it
since I was young.
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I'm led in to this painting by
the sheer presence
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of the building first
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and all of this indulgent detail
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of the flaking plaster
and straw on the roof.
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And then I see this amazing thing
happening underneath.
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The building kind of acts
as an umbrella
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to the whole composition.
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And, of course,
there's the beautiful landscape
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in the background too.
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It has so much busyness
and excitement
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that you can look at this
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and just enjoy indulging
in these little details
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and these tiny narratives
that are going on,
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and you really want to spend
the time to figure that out.
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And I think maybe that's something
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that's kind of been lost
a little bit in media
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or the kind of forms
of entertainment
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that we have and rely on now,
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that, a lot of the time,
you don't make your own decisions
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about what's happening.
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You don't have to do any work
to find it,
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it's all kind of just given to you.
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I like this
as a form of entertainment.
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It's fun.
It's fun to figure these things out.
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My name is Alan Allison.
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I'm a security officer
and gallery assistant,
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London born and bred.
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I've been at the gallery
ten years in September.
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I always used to come past here
at night-time, in my clubbing days.
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I always used to wonder
at the beauty of the building
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and what is inside.
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But it wasn't until
I started working in the gallery
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that I realised, "Wow!"
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I was captivated by the paintings.
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From day one, I was going home,
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reading up on them
and extending my knowledge.
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I like to show the visitors
the beauty
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of the paintings in the gallery,
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the magic behind the paintings,
the hidden secrets.
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But I haven't seen, really,
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many paintings
that represent myself.
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It does make me feel quite sad,
in a way,
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because it doesn't really
reflect society.
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They're very much still
in this bubble,
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focusing on colonialism,
the slave trade.
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You want to see portraits
which reflect Black people
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who have contributed massively
to society,
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part of the fabric of this nation
and making it great.
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So, the National Gallery
does feel like my gallery.
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However, when you're looking
at representation,
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I feel that the gallery
can do a lot more.
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My favourite painting
in the National Gallery
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is Caravaggio's Supper at Emmaus,
painted in 1601.
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Ah, so, the first time I saw it,
oh, it just won me over.
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It spoke to me.
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It's almost cinematic.
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The way the characters
are portrayed in the painting,
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you can almost visualise
what they're actually saying.
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It's three days
after Jesus was crucified,
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and then he was resurrected,
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and he turned up
in the town of Emmaus.
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He was walking through Emmaus,
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and he stumbled upon
a few of the disciples.
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They were kind of pouring out
their grief
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about Jesus being executed.
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And they said, "Oh, would you like
to attend a meal with us?"
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So, it was only when he attended
the meal in the evening
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that they realised who it was,
when Jesus broke the bread.
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And this painting is that moment.
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The character on the right -
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who possibly could be Cleopas,
one of the disciples -
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he's almost gesturing
as if to say to Jesus,
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"The last time I saw you,
you were on the cross!"
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And then the character on the left,
he possibly could be Luke,
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and he's almost springing
out his chair in wonderment.
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You can imagine,
if you was to look at him face-on,
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his eyes would be almost popping out
from their sockets.
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It's almost as if the viewer,
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when they're looking
at this painting,
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they're part
of being at this dinner table,
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almost joining in
with the conversation.
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Caravaggio is absolutely amazing.
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It's the way he uses light
and shadow.
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When you look at the vase,
for instance,
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you can see
that beautiful reflection
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on the table
that's cast from the shadow.
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Also, above Jesus's head,
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you can see a halo,
using the shadows.
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And then,
sticking out from the side of Jesus,
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you can see an angel's wing.
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And lastly,
there's a basket of ripened fruit,
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and, sticking out from the side,
you can see a fishtail,
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which represents
the feeding the 5,000
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with the bread and the fish.
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So, it's deciphering the codes,
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and then you will get
the true meaning of the painting.
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I'm Helena Fitzgerald,
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and I'm a corporate development
manager at the National Gallery.
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My connection to the gallery
goes way beyond my job.
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Most summer holidays,
when I was little,
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I was brought here by my nan.
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My nan knew everything about London.
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She knew where to go,
she knew what was free,
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what was interesting,
what was exciting,
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and how to engage her kids
and her grandchildren.
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My favourite painting in the gallery
is The Ballet Dancers by Degas,
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which was painted around 1890.
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And it's
my nan's favourite painting.
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I know this was about finding
my own particular piece,
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but I admired her so much.
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She had a print of
The Ballet Dancers in her bedroom,
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so that's probably the first time
I saw it, actually.
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It was there, before we even came
to the National Gallery.
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One of the things my nan used to do
when we were in an art gallery
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was to figure out
what is interesting to you
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and what makes you tick,
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rather than giving her opinion
on a specific thing.
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I used to be obsessed with dancing,
and I went to theatre school,
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and I had the pleasure
of learning ballet.
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So, when I look at this painting,
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this is everything
I thought I was going to be.
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I thought I was gonna be
a ballerina.
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I'm looking through a window
into a classroom, into a studio,
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into that moment of them stretching,
of them practising,
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of them rehearsing.
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I remember that feeling,
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I remember stretching,
I remember the hard work.
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I remember the, like, painful toes.
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I feel emotional, I think, because
this has so many depths for me.
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But that's what art is, right?
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It's about feeling loads
of different things at once.
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So, every time I look
at this painting,
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it reminds me of my nan.
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My name is Ann.
I'm Helena's grandmother.
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I'm 87.
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And I think I was about 15
when I first came to the gallery.
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When I first came,
I thought it was a gruesome place
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because there seemed to be
lots of pictures of crucifixions.
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And I was a bit bewildered,
but I've grown to love it.
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It's changed really immensely.
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It's not that quiet place
where you crept about
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and you were careful what you said
or if you even spoke very much.
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There's more people here now.
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Also, different age groups now,
there's more younger people come.
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It's full of what I call
"real paintings"
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of places and people.
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It brings to life a different age.
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My favourite painting
is The Ballet Dancer by Degas.
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I love him. I love his paintings.
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You can really feel
that they are moving.
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It's just so clever.
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The more you look at it,
the more it comes alive.
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It's almost like you can see
the layers of the tulle.
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And those lovely shoes,
you can see the satin.
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Can you see how they shine?
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And all of that amongst
all that dull floor.
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But I think that painting...
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When Helena told me that she had
a job in the National Gallery,
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I was thrilled to bits.
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I knew she would love
talking about it,
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and she would have lots to tell me.
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And I thought, "I'd probably
get in there a lot more now."
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LAUGHS
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The National Gallery
was founded in 1824,
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really in the wake
of the Napoleonic Wars.
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Having won the war,
there was a strong impetus
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to try and win the peace
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by creating the kind
of cultural institutions
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which Napoleonic France had had
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but which Britain had been very slow
in developing.
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It's also a time
when other European states
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are setting up
their national galleries.
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What's different in the case
of our National Gallery
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is that, in this case, it's not
a nationalised royal collection.
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The real founding father
of the National Gallery
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was a private collector
and Tory landowner
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named Sir George Howland Beaumont
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who was himself a painter,
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which was unusual
for the aristocracy at the time.
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A friend of Constable,
who hosted him in his own home.
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And, as he had no children,
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he was beginning to think,
in the 1820s, about what he would do
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with his very fine collection
of paintings.
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The original home
of the National Gallery wasn't
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in Trafalgar Square.
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It was a good couple hundred yards
to the west
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at number 100, Pall Mall.
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This was the residence
of John Julius Angerstein.
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And until 1838,
for the first 14 years,
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the National Gallery was
in a series of different terraces
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on different sides of Pall Mall.
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Large paintings
having to be squeezed into rooms
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that were clearly intended
to be domestic in scale.
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And so, early paintings
of the National Gallery
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really do show pictures having to
be hung frame to frame
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in what must have been
quite a tight and constricted hang.
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My name's Michael Palin.
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I'm a traveller and an actor
and a general hack.
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And my favourite painting
was painted in 1844 by Turner,
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and it's called Rain, Steam, Speed.
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I think Turner's a genius,
and I love his work.
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It's also a favourite painting
of mine because of the subject.
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I've always been rather interested
in railways
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and the history of railways.
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And this is so significant
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because it is about
the birth of the railway.
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It was still a new thing
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and a thing that, you know,
frightened so many people.
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They thought it was going to destroy
the countryside
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and make cows lose their calves
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because of the noise and the steam
and all that.
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But he's painted that
for another reason,
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which is, I think,
this is the future.
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This is his sort of
science-fiction painting.
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The steam is very, very important.
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But the focus is this machine.
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He's using the countryside
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and the beauty of the countryside
and the river
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but counterbalancing it
with the power of the train,
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this man-made thing, which is black
and rearing up and coming,
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charging towards you.
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So, I think he must have been
excited by it, maybe a bit alarmed.
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But there is a real narrative here.
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I think he's saying this is
a new world
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that's been opened up
by the railway,
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and it's got enormous possibilities,
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and people are going to have to
adapt to it.
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The train emerges
at a certain angle.
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You just feel it's coming towards
you quite fast,
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breaking through all the cloud.
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And what I think he's also done
is contrast
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the kind of static life around.
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You know, there,
the little boat there,
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the little skiff in the river.
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And I do love these people here.
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"Wow! Yeah!" What are they saying?
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SCOTTISH ACCENT: "Go away!
Go away, you naughty work of Satan."
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Or they're saying,
"Hey, where can we get a ticket?"
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And then over
in the background there,
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I think there's a man ploughing.
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Tiny little figures,
but they're very, very important
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cos they contrast the activity
and the dynamism
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of the train
that's coming towards you.
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I love all the people in... you can
see them in the coaches.
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And they're completely uncovered.
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There they are, all sitting there,
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and obviously,
they're getting a bit wet.
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They're going rather fast,
there's a lot of noise.
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It looks terribly dangerous
to some people.
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And yet, there they are.
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It's like
a wonderful fairground ride.
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And there's a hare -
it's very, very tiny -
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running away from the train.
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It's almost like the natural world
is running away
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from something that may destroy it.
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Hares are very fast,
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so there's this sort of
competitive thing together,
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you know,
"Who's gonna get there first,
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"the Old World or the New World?"
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And obviously,
the New World is gonna win.
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My name is John Wilson.
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This is my sign name.
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I work at the National Gallery
as a BSL tour guide and lecturer.
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BSL is British Sign Language,
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so I deliver information
using the Deaf community's language.
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I talk about paintings.
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I was born deaf,
and I've been deaf my entire life.
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When I'm giving a presentation to
deaf and hearing audience members,
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there's a difference.
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Deaf people seem
to capture more details.
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They notice things
in a very different way.
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My favourite painting is called
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Exhibition Of A Rhinoceros
At Venice,
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and this was painted by
an artist who was born in Venice -
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Pietro Longhi.
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He was famous for painting
everyday life in Venice,
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usually in domestic scenes.
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But this painting is
of a rhinoceros named Clara.
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When you look around the room,
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most of the paintings here
are from Venice,
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and they were painted
at similar times.
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Most also are outside scenes,
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but this one is an interior scene.
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So the painting really has
an impact, I think.
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There is a wall
with people looking on at the rhino.
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They're definitely wealthy -
you can tell that by their clothing.
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Some of them have masks on,
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and the reason for that is
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that Venice always has a carnival
January, February time.
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It was traditional to put on masks
and costumes.
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I've chosen this painting
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because I've always enjoyed
paintings of animals,
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and I have great respect
for animals.
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It's not a painting
that shows abuse of the animal.
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It's not for sport.
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It's not being hunted or
being killed for food or clothing.
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There are very few paintings
that actually respect the animals,
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so this is very different.
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And it also shows that science
had started to develop,
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and natural history was becoming
a serious subject.
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People wanted to know more
about the animals,
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and they started to respect them
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and saw that they were worthy
of study.
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I have some empathy
with the people then.
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When I was a little boy, I was deaf.
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People would sort of want to
research my deafness,
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teach me how to speak.
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The people back then
wanted to research Clara
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to try to get knowledge
of the animal,
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just like people wanted to have
knowledge of my deafness.
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So that's it for me -
I have empathy.
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The National Gallery's a collection
of around 2,400 paintings,
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which date
from the early 13th century
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to the early 20th century.
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I think, in the early decades
of the National Gallery,
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there was a sense that it wasn't
supposed to be representative
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of something
we might call "art history".
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It was simply to have
the aesthetically finest schools
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and the greatest masters
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without any need
to be representative
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of a particular time
or a particular style.
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So, the National Gallery is trying
to work out what its job is,
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what it's supposed to collect.
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And it's trying to do so
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against a background
that's constantly shifting.
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Roughly half
the National Gallery collection
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is a result of private donations
and especially bequests.
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The other half was funded
by general taxation.
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In other words,
there's a tranche of money
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given by the Treasury every year
to buy works of art.
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By around 1900,
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as the British aristocracy started
to feel the pinch
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of falling agricultural revenues
and death duties in 1894,
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they start selling
their great, old master paintings.
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It's at that point that
the Americans, Gilded Age oligarchs,
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are on the market,
trying to hoover up these paintings.
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As a result, the art market for
old masters goes through the roof,
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and this annual purchase grant
is now nowhere near enough money.
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This is why we get
what's now the Art Fund,
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the National Art Collections Fund,
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being established in the early years
of the 20th century
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to try and save,
as they would put it,
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some of the, in a sense,
already the people's pictures.
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The public at large does look
to the National Gallery
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and expects it to contain works
of art that speak to them
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and give them a shared sense
of the potential of human creativity
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beyond anything narrowly patriotic
or nationalistic.
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My name is Saffron Bowdler,
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and I am a marketing executive
here at the National Gallery.
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My favourite painting here
is Bacchus And Ariadne by Titian,
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which was painted in 1520 to 1523.
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The sheer size and scale
of the painting
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is the first thing
that drew me to it.
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And I think, if anyone was to walk
into this room,
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it's really hard to ignore.
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You've got this beautiful young man,
or god, Bacchus,
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flying from his chariot,
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frozen in a moment, in mid-air,
staring longingly
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at this beautiful, slightly
dishevelled Cretan princess,
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which is Ariadne.
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Ariadne's outstretching her hand,
looking quite upset
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because there's a tiny little ship
sailing into the distance.
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That is her lover, Theseus.
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So, she's awoken,
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she's realised
that she's been abandoned.
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While this is happening
on the left-hand side,
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Bacchus storms in
with his musical followers,
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crashing, making noise.
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There's a lot of hedonism going on,
a lot of kind of ecstasy and frenzy.
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He stops instantly
when he sees Ariadne
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because he's literally so struck
and overcome with the sensation
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of love at first sight.
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So this painting basically shows
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that exact moment
where love happens.
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This is what Titian
was trying to portray,
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the moment
when their eyes first lock.
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I was very fortunate enough to have
grown up in a very artistic family.
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My father was a cavalry officer
but also an artist.
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And my whole childhood,
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we would create
and paint together all the time.
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My parents sadly split
when I was quite young,
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and my father would have me
on weekends,
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and it was always the case of...
INHALES SHARPLY
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Not a lot of money,
what does one do with a little girl?
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He didn't see me that much,
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so I think he wanted the time to be
quite precious and to make memories.
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We would go and look at art.
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And the National Gallery was
the first one he ever took me to.
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I was probably about five
the first time I came here.
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And he would always ask me,
"What do you like about it?
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"What don't you like about it?
How does it make you feel?"
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And I remember feeling such... pride
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in the fact that my father,
who was this trained artist,
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was asking me
what I thought about them.
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On one of our first trips,
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I saw Bacchus And Ariadne
for the first time,
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and I remember the feeling that
that painting brought out in me.
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It took my breath away.
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It was the colour, it was the fact
that she was a princess.
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It was quite an epic tale
of abandonment and woe and love,
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and I remember just sitting
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and feeling very connected
to my father
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and also our mutual enjoyment
of art.
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So, the relationship
between me and this painting
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has actually taken
quite a few different turns.
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My father sadly passed away
when I was 12.
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And obviously this painting,
for me, is so much of him.
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So for a while,
I actually didn't look at it.
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I then went to university.
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I did History of Art,
and we had to write a dissertation,
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and I actually wrote about it.
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At the time, I was a new-found woman
in her early 20s.
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I was reading a lot
of feminist literature
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and basically took the stance of,
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"Of course he falls in love
with her instantly.
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"But did Ariadne want this?
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"Is it the male gaze
that we see this picture through?
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"Did she love him?"
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So when I then explored it
through that lens,
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it was really fascinating.
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This painting has travelled with me
through my whole life.
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I've looked at it
from many viewpoints.
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Now I see it in a context
of just human life
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and the complexities
of what it is to be human.
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When I look at it,
there's two sides to it.
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I see my father in particular,
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and that to be a human
is to have both sides.
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He was a beautiful man,
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charming, charismatic
but a bit of a Peter Pan,
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and he did suffer with
alcohol problems and dependencies.
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So, again, this picture
has so many layers for me.
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Bacchus, this beautiful young man,
who was the god of wine,
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so probably excess and ecstasy
and hedonism.
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But there's so much love there.
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They're not bad.
It's just bad decisions.
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Then, on the other side
of the canvas,
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you've then got this stillness
and this kind of desire for purity.
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And I think my father for many years
found solace in his art.
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It's about both of those sides,
which is lightness and dark,
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to come together
and be what it is to be human
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because we are complex creatures,
we are not perfect.
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Artists have brought
onto their canvases
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a unique perspective
of human existence.
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That's what I just find
so fascinating.
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If people say art isn't for them,
it's just very much human stories.
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And how can that not be for you?
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I'm Kasper Pincis,
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and I'm an art handling supervisor
at the National Gallery.
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The art handling department
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is essentially just
the arms of the gallery.
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We're in charge of all the moving
and installation of the collection.
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We install the permanent displays,
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and we move the paintings
between store, display,
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conservation, photography.
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And if we're lucky,
we get to travel with them
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when we lend them
to other institutions.
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00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,960
I've taken some Tintorettos
to Venice, a Monet to Texas,
492
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,480
and I brought
The Execution of Lady Jane Grey
493
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,960
back from Tokyo.
494
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,960
One of my favourite paintings,
and it's from 1668,
495
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,160
is called Birds, Butterflies
And A Frog Among Plants and Fungi
496
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,960
by Melchior d'Hondecoeter.
497
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,960
It's not been on display much,
maybe a year,
498
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,960
but in the last 20 years,
it's been in storage,
499
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:15,960
apart from that one year.
500
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,960
Some paintings that we have in store
501
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,960
are probably gonna be there
for a long time
502
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,960
because the collection grows,
503
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960
things are bequeathed,
and fashions change as well.
504
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,960
So paintings
that everybody loved 100 years ago
505
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,960
are no longer in fashion.
506
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:33,960
Space is at a premium,
507
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,960
so the curators really have
a tough job choosing what to show
508
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,960
and how to make it fit
into a bigger story.
509
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,000
This painting is slightly dark,
but it's also a bit like a jewel.
510
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,960
It's kind of gleaming there.
511
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,960
The moths and butterflies
are flying away,
512
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,960
and these mushrooms
have been uprooted somehow.
513
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,960
It's trying to show
maybe an unsettled mood
514
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,960
cos these birds seem
to be aggravated by this frog.
515
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,960
But quite nice
that it's just like a microcosm,
516
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,960
and it's a lot of drama
in a small space.
517
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,480
We've got very few paintings
like this.
518
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,960
It's not a still life,
but it's not really a landscape.
519
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,960
There's nothing else
really like it in the collection.
520
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,960
To have something like this
which not only paints animals
521
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,000
but gives them a sort of agency
and makes a little story...
522
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,960
It's just quite fascinating
to imagine
523
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,480
this kind of microcosm
existing in all the landscapes,
524
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,960
just in the corners
that you don't see.
525
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,960
So it feels quite appropriate
526
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,960
to be sort of in the undergrowth
of the gallery.
527
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,320
I'd love to see it
up on the main floor,
528
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,960
and, like, we probably will again
before too long.
529
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,960
It's nice when you see something
that hasn't been up for ages
530
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,960
and having its moment in the sun.
531
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,960
My name is Tracy Jones,
532
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,320
and I'm Head of Communications here
at the National Gallery.
533
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,480
Privileged to work here
for 18 years.
534
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,160
One of my favourite paintings here
535
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,960
is Witches At Their Incantations
by Salvator Rosa,
536
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,960
and it's tucked away in
a slightly dark corner of room 32.
537
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:46,960
Cos it is just so strange,
scary, spooky and weird,
538
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,960
and I absolutely love that.
539
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,320
People hanging,
people resurrecting corpses,
540
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,960
strange monsters,
541
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,960
people cutting toenails
of people hanging in trees.
542
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,960
I can't work out what's going on,
543
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,960
and that's why
I absolutely adore it.
544
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,320
You have to really step up close
and look at it to get the detail.
545
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,960
It's a very dark painting.
546
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,960
There are brief splashes of colour,
547
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,960
but it's all those
different variations of darkness.
548
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,960
This night-time
on an Italian hillside,
549
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,960
where these acolytes and witches
are gathering
550
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,960
to try and summon Satan.
551
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,960
And that's, I think,
what makes it quite exciting.
552
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,320
I like to look at the painting
from left to right.
553
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,000
You start with the pair of men
exhuming a corpse.
554
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,960
There is a really weird,
veiled figure behind
555
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,800
that's holding onto candles.
556
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,960
Then you move into
the centre of the painting.
557
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,960
You've got these witches
with their cauldrons.
558
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,960
One of them is wringing out a rag.
It's probably blood.
559
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,960
And then you get
to the corpse hanging in the tree
560
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,960
with this really strange angle
of his neck.
561
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:01,960
What's really great
about the painting
562
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,960
is the mythical monsters
that are in there.
563
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,960
There's this, like, little,
squat, froggy-type character
564
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,800
with a red mouth with lots of teeth.
565
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,000
And you think, "Where the hell
did he get that idea from?"
566
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,960
That's the whole
fascinating thing of this,
567
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,960
is this melting pot
of Salvator Rosa's mind
568
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,320
and what was going on around him
in Florence at that time.
569
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,160
We're talking the middle
of the 17th century.
570
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,960
People were still being tried
571
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,480
and executed for witchcraft
at that point.
572
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,960
It was very, very real,
573
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,960
this fear of the devil,
of Satan, of witchcraft.
574
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,960
A secret pleasure of mine
is I love horror films,
575
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,480
and I'm actually on the committee
of a horror film festival.
576
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,960
So, once a year, I sit and watch
about 150 short films
577
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,960
and help select the 30 or 40
that go into the festival.
578
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,160
And I think this is why this
painting particularly speaks to me
579
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,960
cos you've got all the tropes
of a great horror movie
580
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,960
in this one static image.
581
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:32,960
My name is Rosy Akalawu-Ellman.
582
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,960
I'm currently studying Art History
at Cambridge in my first year.
583
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,640
In this country, history of art
is kind of presented as something
584
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,960
that's for public schools
and private schools,
585
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,320
and it's constantly dismissed
as a subject for the elite...
586
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,960
..when, in reality,
it's a really important subject
587
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,960
that empowers people to understand
the world around them.
588
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,960
I saw you having
a really, really, good look
589
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,640
about things we noticed.
590
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,960
Would anyone like to share
with the rest of the group,
591
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,960
why do the people in the paintings
not have clothes?
592
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,960
The National Gallery does
a really great job of outreach
593
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,800
to primary schools
and secondary schools
594
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,960
and teaching people
that this is a space for them.
595
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,960
So, it's not great, the lack
of representation on the walls.
596
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,160
There is an issue with the
collection not keeping up with us
597
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,000
as we're so rapidly developing,
598
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:32,000
and Britishness becomes a far more
complex and multi-layered identity.
599
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,480
There's a lot of scholarship
that has been made and is emerging
600
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,640
that we can use to rethink
601
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,960
what the gallery
is actually capable of doing,
602
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,960
about the importance of exploring
representation within art
603
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,960
and erasing monolithic narratives
604
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,320
of Black people just being slaves
and servants.
605
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,960
My favourite painting
in the National Gallery
606
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,960
is The Execution Of Lady Jane Grey
by Paul Delaroche from 1833.
607
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:12,960
It kind of links back to my little,
young Rosy obsession with the Tudors
608
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,320
and fixation on Lady Jane Grey
as this nine-day queen.
609
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,960
It's a painting of her execution,
610
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,960
where Bloody Mary came and decided
611
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,640
that it was her time
to take her rightful throne.
612
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,320
Lady Jane Grey was 17
when she was murdered.
613
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,640
She spent more time in prison
building up to her execution
614
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,320
than her actual time on the throne.
615
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,320
It's the melodrama and the emotional
vulnerability of the painting.
616
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,960
Her fingers blindly reaching out
for her final moments.
617
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,960
It's her most vulnerable state
that she's gonna be at.
618
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,960
One of the things
that I always think about
619
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,640
is the fact that she's blindfolded.
620
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,960
And throughout
the whole of art history,
621
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,800
there's an obsession with the gaze,
especially the female gaze,
622
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,960
in the way
that an artist presents it
623
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,960
as, like, an act of submission
or a confrontation
624
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,960
and the way that, as a viewer,
you're interacting with a gaze,
625
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,960
the emotional connection that
you're building with the subject.
626
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,960
And she is gaze-less.
She is blindfolded.
627
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,960
You'd expect it to kind of create
a distance between you and her,
628
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,960
where you're not able to connect
with her, you can't see her eyes.
629
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,960
But, instead, it brings you
even further towards her
630
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,960
as you realise that horrible
stumbling that she's going through.
631
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,800
It's almost like
you're seeing it for her
632
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,160
in a way that she never could.
633
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,960
You're feeling it.
634
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,480
And it's an emotional thing,
her lack of vision,
635
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,480
and you're sharing those emotions.
636
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,640
JONATHAN CONLIN: We really owe
the magnificent site
637
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:13,960
of the National Gallery
638
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,960
to King George IV's architect
John Nash.
639
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,960
In the 1810s, there are
very ambitious plans being developed
640
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,960
to reconfigure
the Crown Estate lands
641
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,960
to the west and to the north
of what's now Trafalgar Square.
642
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,960
John Nash clearly felt that having,
as in a sense, started in the north,
643
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,960
there was a need
for a grand public space or piazza.
644
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,960
Before the creation
of Trafalgar Square,
645
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,960
there were already
some fine buildings on the site.
646
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,960
One of them was
William Kent's stables,
647
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,960
which had been redeveloped
in the 1730s,
648
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,960
a very impressive facade.
649
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,960
And then there was also James Gibbs'
St Martin's-in-the-Fields.
650
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,960
The original brief
for what became the National Gallery
651
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,960
was to combine room
for the Public Record Office,
652
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,160
room for the Royal Academy,
room for the National Gallery.
653
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,960
So there was a sense in which
they were trying to get
654
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,960
as much as they could out of
this really rather thin building
655
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,960
designed by William Wilkins.
656
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,960
After the National Gallery
moves into its new building in 1838,
657
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,960
there is this open space which
is as yet unnamed in front of it.
658
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,960
And it's only in the mid-1840s
659
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,960
that we see Nelson's Column
being created.
660
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,000
If you stand outside
the National Gallery,
661
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,960
you can look south
over Trafalgar Square
662
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,960
and see the Houses of Parliament.
663
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,800
You also have Canada House,
symbol of the British dominions.
664
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,960
If you look the other way,
you head down the Strand,
665
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,960
one of the major streets
linking the Cities of Westminster
666
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,960
to the City of London.
667
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,960
So it really is the heart
of the nation's capital,
668
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,960
indeed the place from which
669
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,960
distances across the kingdom
have, for centuries,
670
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,320
before the foundation
of the gallery, been measured.
671
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,960
Hello, my name is Claudia Winkleman,
672
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,160
and I read out loud
on the television,
673
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,960
but I have a secret love
and history with art.
674
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,960
My love of art came
from my brilliant dad
675
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,960
who decided that he would bring me
676
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,960
to the National Gallery
every weekend.
677
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,960
And the only rule was
678
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,960
that we were only allowed
to look at one painting.
679
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,960
And we would stand
in front of a painting
680
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:01,640
and really talk about it -
681
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,000
sometimes for 40 minutes,
sometimes for half an hour.
682
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,640
The brilliance
of that one painting rule
683
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,960
is it leaves you wanting more.
684
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,960
And I'm now 52,
and I've used art as a soother.
685
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:15,960
Some people have a teddy,
686
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,960
some people listen to music,
some people go for a walk.
687
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,960
I like coming here
and just looking at one piece.
688
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,960
So, the painting I've chosen
689
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,960
is Leonardo da Vinci,
and it's Virgin Of The Rocks.
690
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,960
What strikes you first
691
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,640
is the atmosphere of it,
the feel of it,
692
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,960
which is otherworldly
yet entirely human.
693
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,000
The figures are otherworldly
because of who they are.
694
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,960
So they can't look like us,
695
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:57,960
but their expressions
are unbelievably human.
696
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,960
I think it's the adoration
of the young Jesus,
697
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,960
and he is blessing John the Baptist
in return.
698
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,000
And it is a beautiful triangle.
699
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,960
Mary stands over it
like the top of the pyramid.
700
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,960
I love her right hand
on John the Baptist,
701
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,960
which is firm but also kind.
702
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,960
And she is in the presence
of the most beautiful
703
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,960
and most ethereal and serene
character in maybe all of art,
704
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:29,960
the Archangel.
705
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:32,960
You're watching a moment.
706
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,640
You're really privileged
to be able to see it,
707
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,960
whether you are religious
or whether you're not.
708
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,960
Leonardo is the king.
709
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,960
What a brain, what a man.
He was desperate for information.
710
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,320
He was curious.
His drawings are so beautiful.
711
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,960
And I should come out with it
and say I like the big hitters,
712
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,960
and I think that's why
I was drawn to him.
713
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,960
What's extraordinary about Leonardo,
and I also love this,
714
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,800
is he didn't paint a lot.
715
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,640
But you know it's him
when you see it.
716
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,960
And that alone
is pretty breathtaking.
717
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,800
I love the fact
how it's just so dark.
718
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,960
Look at Mary's face,
how much is cast in shadow,
719
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,640
and the angel's face.
720
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,160
And the two children,
721
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,160
you see them perfectly,
but it's not cut-out.
722
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,480
It's not crystal clear.
723
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:29,960
Not every piece of fabric or a face
is given the same amount of light.
724
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,960
What technique.
And it changed the history of art.
725
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:34,960
It's the boldness.
726
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:35,960
I like the fact that he's like,
727
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,960
"Yeah, do you know what?
That's just gonna be in shadow.
728
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:39,960
"Deal with that, guys."
729
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,160
Extraordinary in 1508.
Revolutionary.
730
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,480
So the fact that it's mysterious
is what I love most.
731
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,960
The fifth character in this painting
is the landscape.
732
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,960
There are huge spaces on that canvas
made up of landscape,
733
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,960
and that feels brave.
734
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:01,960
It's like the best writing.
735
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,960
You don't need
all the flowery words.
736
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,960
We'll just have that.
737
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,960
So it draws you in.
738
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,960
This is how I feel
about beautiful works.
739
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,960
There is an awful lot of chat
740
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,960
about how we feel about the world
and ourselves,
741
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,960
a growing obsession with the self,
742
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,960
people endlessly questioning
how THEY'RE doing.
743
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,960
But I think the thing you can do
744
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,960
to make yourself feel much better
about all kinds of things
745
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,960
is take yourself out of you.
746
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,960
Stand in front of a painting,
747
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,960
and you will breathe
a little deeper,
748
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,960
and you will feel a little happier.
749
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,960
There is nothing like standing
in front of a work of art.
750
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,960
The minutiae is swept away
751
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,960
when you are faced
by true skill and beauty.
752
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:29,960
My name is Stacey Smith,
753
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,960
and I'm a membership
and commercial services assistant.
754
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,960
My favourite painting
in the National Gallery
755
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,000
is The Ambassadors
by Hans Holbein the Younger,
756
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,320
painted in 1533.
757
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:45,960
The first time
I saw The Ambassadors,
758
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:46,960
I was with my grandad.
759
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,960
I think I was about 12.
760
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,960
In the middle of the painting
was just a big ugly blob,
761
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,960
and I couldn't understand
what it was, why it was there
762
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,640
and why someone would paint
something so detailed and beautiful
763
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,960
and then do something
seemingly so strange.
764
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,960
And then my grandad took hold of me
765
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,960
and just dragged me
all the way round to the right.
766
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,960
And I was like, "It's not a blob,
it's a skull."
767
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,960
And it just popped out.
768
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,960
I remember, I look around the room,
769
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,000
and other people were looking at the
painting straight on, and I'm like,
770
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,160
"Oh, my God,
I know something you don't.
771
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,960
"I see something
you can't see right now."
772
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,480
And it was
the most thrilling moment.
773
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,800
I didn't see the painting again
until I started working here,
774
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,320
and I have learned a lot about it
775
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,000
in the years
since seeing it with my grandad.
776
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,640
Hans Holbein the Younger,
at the time,
777
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,960
was the court painter
to Henry VIII.
778
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,960
The whole reason for this painting
is a message to the King of France
779
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,160
that there was religious strife
in England
780
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,960
because Henry had separated
from Catherine of Aragon
781
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:58,960
and married Anne Boleyn.
782
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,960
And in doing so,
he had declared himself
783
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,960
the head of the Church of England.
784
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,960
He has painted two men.
785
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,960
On the left is Jean de Dinteville,
who was the French ambassador.
786
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,320
And on the right
is Georges de Selve,
787
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:19,800
the Bishop of Lavaur,
who was a very good friend of Jean.
788
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,960
Jean could not write
to the King of France
789
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:22,960
and tell him what was happening
790
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,960
because his correspondence
was being opened and read.
791
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,960
So he had to figure a way around it,
and this painting is how he did it.
792
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,800
One of my favourite ways to describe
the painting is like an escape room.
793
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,000
There are clues that can unlock it,
and each clue unlocks the next.
794
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,480
I think Holbein included
the crucifix in the top left
795
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,960
as a signal that spiritual
difficulties were being revealed.
796
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,960
And there is a lute
that has a broken string,
797
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,960
to signify discord.
798
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,960
The music that is in the book
cannot be played
799
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,960
because the string
that would play that note is broken,
800
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,960
and the note appears several times,
801
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,800
so it would become
immediately obvious
802
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,160
to anyone who could play music.
803
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,960
The attention to detail in the
clothes is just absolutely stunning.
804
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,960
I could put my face
into that fur on his coat
805
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,960
and know exactly
how it feels on my cheeks.
806
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,960
Jean's motto was "memento mori".
807
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,960
Remember, one day you will die.
808
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,960
And the skull was a way
of including that motto.
809
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,960
The reason this is
my favourite painting
810
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,000
is because it is a painting
my granddad and I bonded over.
811
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,960
When I come here,
it's like he never left,
812
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,960
he never passed away.
813
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,320
And if I stand,
and I look at my blob...
814
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,960
..it's like
he's right behind me again.
815
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,960
JONATHAN CONLIN: One of the exciting
things about the National Gallery
816
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,960
is, I think,
when it was first created,
817
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,480
it was such a novel idea to have
a collection created and housed
818
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,480
at the expense of all taxpayers
819
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,960
that when it opened its doors
in 1824,
820
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,960
I really think the trustees
had no idea who was gonna show up.
821
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,960
They wanted it to be open for free
to everyone,
822
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,160
as the British Museum had been.
823
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,480
This is the time
when there's a good deal
824
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,960
of hunger and political unrest.
825
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,160
So there really was a great fear
826
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,960
that the public might attack
the paintings on display.
827
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,480
There was therefore
a great deal of relief
828
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,960
that not only
that lots of people were visiting
829
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,960
who were not just of the elite,
830
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,320
but that those members of the
middle class and some working class
831
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,960
were recognising
that these paintings
832
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,960
were their property
in a sense as well.
833
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:03,160
And certainly, when we look
at guides to the National Gallery
834
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,960
provided for the working class,
835
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,960
there's a strong emphasis
on going there in your own free time
836
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,960
to educate yourself
and to improve yourself.
837
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,960
But it's only really
in the mid to late 19th century
838
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,800
that something
that we might call art history,
839
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,960
to understand how styles
or how tastes
840
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,960
or how human creativity
has evolved over time.
841
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,960
That really wasn't there
in the early decades.
842
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,960
For artists, the National Gallery
was a particularly precious resource
843
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,960
in that it was a place
where they could go
844
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,960
and copy original works
after the great masters.
845
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,960
That, I think,
changes by the late 19th century,
846
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,960
where the copyists
are really producing copies
847
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,960
of popular paintings
for people to hang on their walls.
848
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,960
We know the most copied painting
in the late 19th century
849
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,320
was Dignity And Impudence
by Edwin Landseer,
850
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,960
which is now in Tate Britain,
851
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,960
which was, among a large proportion
of the National Gallery's public,
852
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,960
the most important painting,
the most popular painting.
853
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,960
I'm Gracie Divall,
854
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,800
and I was an exhibitions manager
for National Touring.
855
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,960
It's about getting
these amazing paintings
856
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,960
that belong to absolutely everybody
in the entirety of the UK
857
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,800
out of London
and making them accessible
858
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,960
all across the United Kingdom
for people to come and enjoy.
859
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,960
My favourite artwork
in the National Gallery's collection
860
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:01,960
is Artemisia Gentileschi's
861
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,160
Self-Portrait
As Saint Catherine Of Alexandria,
862
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,960
and it was the very first artwork
863
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,960
that we took out
on a National Gallery Visits tour.
864
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,160
This painting
is really special to me,
865
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,160
partly because it is one of only
21 artworks by a female artist
866
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,960
in the National Gallery's
collection.
867
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,160
It's not for a lack of wanting
to collect work by women
868
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,960
that the gallery is so poor
in these artworks.
869
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,960
But in the collecting period,
you know, of going up to 1910,
870
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,160
women were not given
these opportunities,
871
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,960
and women were not able
to be artists in this way.
872
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,960
So for there to be these artworks
873
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,000
by women who completely
broke the mould,
874
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,960
who had this passion and this drive,
875
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,960
and they were able to do things
876
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,960
that they might not have been
supported to do,
877
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,960
it's just absolutely fantastic.
878
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,960
Although this is a self-portrait,
879
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,960
Artemisia has painted herself
as Saint Catherine,
880
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,960
who was a young Christian girl
put to death at the age of 18.
881
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,960
But when they went
to put Catherine to death,
882
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,960
they strapped her to a
Catherine wheel, the torture device.
883
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,960
And when they strapped her to it,
the wheel broke,
884
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,960
and so they had to move forward
and behead her instead.
885
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,480
Saint Catherine was made then
a saint by Joan of Arc.
886
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,960
So Artemesia is presenting herself
as this resilient woman.
887
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:23,960
She's being someone else,
888
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,960
but there's so much
of sort of her back story
889
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,640
that parallels this idea of a woman
breaking the mould,
890
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,960
of a woman standing up
for what she believes in.
891
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,960
We know of Artemisia
as this amazing artist,
892
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,960
but she also overcame
great adversity.
893
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,960
Aged 17, she was raped
by a friend of her father's,
894
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,960
and really unusually for the time,
this was taken to court.
895
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,960
During the court case,
she was tortured
896
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,960
to try and get her to say
that she was not telling the truth.
897
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,000
She still stuck completely
to her story.
898
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,960
And her rapist was convicted,
but not of rape,
899
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,960
but of deflowering of property
of her father.
900
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,960
But throughout all of this,
she carried on painting,
901
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,960
and she believed in herself
as a person and as a painter.
902
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,960
And that sort of resilience
really comes through
903
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,160
in her artwork as well.
904
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,960
She's looking directly at us.
905
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,960
In some ways,
it's quite a defiant glance.
906
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,480
She's present.
It's not a demure woman.
907
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,960
It is somebody who is ready
to engage with us.
908
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,960
That could be my friend Artemisia.
909
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,960
And we did, we've travelled
the country together,
910
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,960
meeting different people
everywhere we've gone.
911
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:44,960
We placed her in a GP surgery,
in a school and into libraries.
912
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:45,960
And there we were able to tell
913
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,960
completely different stories
about this artwork,
914
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,960
as a saint, as a resilient woman
915
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,320
who did things at a time
that no other woman could,
916
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,480
as a woman who'd been let down
by a justice system,
917
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,960
who had confidence
in her own ability
918
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:01,960
and how she can really inspire
people today.
919
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,960
One of the most unique places
that we took Artemisia
920
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,960
was to a women's prison.
921
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,480
And it was absolutely amazing
to see this artwork there
922
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,960
and to see the inmates interact
with this artwork
923
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,640
and be inspired
by Artemisia's story.
924
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,960
One of the comments that has stayed
with me forever is a woman saying,
925
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,960
"I'd like to say sorry to Artemisia
that so little has changed,
926
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,800
"that women still don't have
the opportunities."
927
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,960
And her story, 400 years later,
928
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,960
was still so poignant
to these women.
929
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,960
That is just something
that art can do.
930
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,960
It can bring us together
across those time gaps.
931
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,960
I really think the women there
were so inspired,
932
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,800
and hopefully they will carry
933
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,960
a little bit of that resilience
with them.
934
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,960
I'm Terry Gilliam.
935
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,960
I'm a film director,
but before I was a film director,
936
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,960
I was the animator
on Monty Python's Flying Circus.
937
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:57,960
MUSIC: 'The Liberty Bell'
938
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:17,960
Back in '69, when Python began,
I was here quite often.
939
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,960
I mean, at least
every couple of weeks, I think,
940
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,480
because I was always desperate
for inspiration
941
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:25,960
for things I could steal.
942
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,640
If I found a character
that I wanted to use,
943
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:30,960
I would go down to the gift shop
944
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,320
and buy, hopefully,
a poster or a book with them in
945
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:40,320
and then photograph it, blow it up,
manipulate it in my own way,
946
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,160
and, bingo, off we went.
947
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,960
My favourite painting in the gallery
948
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:52,960
is Bronzino's Allegory
Of Venus, Cupid And Folly.
949
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,960
It became very quickly
the Python foot
950
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,960
right from the moment
I first saw the painting.
951
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:02,960
My eyes drifted
down to that bottom left corner,
952
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,640
and the little dove,
953
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,960
and the foot is about to crush it,
it looked like to me.
954
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,960
But I thought it's a great
punctuation for my animations
955
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,640
to bring to a halt
whatever was going on. Boom!
956
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,960
And I love the idea that the foot
belonged to Cupid, to love.
957
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,960
And what a better way to be crushed,
than by love.
958
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,960
The painting itself just pops,
959
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:32,480
and it pops
with a great, beautiful naked woman.
960
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:37,960
You realise, "Wait, this is not
a normal nude painting."
961
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:42,960
Most of them are lying gracefully
and languorously, beautifully.
962
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,160
This, there's action going on there.
963
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:51,960
Then you realise the little boy
is Cupid and she is Venus.
964
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,320
This is son and mother.
965
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,960
This is very strange,
what's happening here.
966
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,960
And I think it's very erotic.
967
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:02,960
I had to become older
before I realised
968
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,960
that "venereal disease"
comes from "Venus",
969
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,960
it's all based on her.
970
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,960
And that's what this painting
is also about.
971
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,960
Syphilis was ravaging Europe.
972
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,960
What Bronzino is doing
is playing a kind of a game,
973
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,960
a little puzzle, a riddle.
974
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,960
What is going on? Because everything
there means something.
975
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,960
Venus is love, the goddess of love.
976
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,960
Cupid, I suppose,
is the messenger of love.
977
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,960
Then there's this lovely face.
978
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,960
And she's offering honeycomb
in one hand,
979
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,640
and the other hand
is holding her scorpion sting.
980
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,960
It's like, "OK, I'm here,
aren't I sweet? But watch out."
981
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,960
And that is syphilis.
982
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,960
In fact, medically,
it's quite accurate.
983
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,320
Teeth are falling out,
the knuckles are enlarged,
984
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,960
which is what syphilis does.
985
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,960
Now, the question is,
has she got Cupid's arrow
986
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,960
to stop him from spreading
her disease?
987
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,960
He spreads love
with shooting his arrow
988
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,960
into the hearts of young couples.
989
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,960
So that's the thing.
990
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,960
Is this a warning
about the dangers of syphilis?
991
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,640
Everything is hinted at.
992
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,000
And I think that's
a very special, unique painting.
993
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,000
I'd like to be able to make cartoons
that look as good as that.
994
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,960
CHUCKLES
995
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,960
In World War II,
most museums in Britain
996
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,960
simply evacuated the collection,
usually to a Welsh slate mine,
997
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,960
and closed their doors.
998
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,960
The National Gallery
is one important exception to that.
999
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,960
The then director, Kenneth Clark,
1000
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,960
enthusiastically welcomed
a suggestion
1001
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,160
by someone who wrote in
to the editor of The Times,
1002
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,960
proposing that a then
recently acquired Rembrandt
1003
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,960
be temporarily placed on display
at Trafalgar Square
1004
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,960
so that the people could admire
1005
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,960
their latest addition
to their collection.
1006
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,960
And, as a result of that, the
so-called "one picture shows" began,
1007
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,960
in which every two months,
1008
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,960
two paintings would be sent down
from the Welsh slate mine,
1009
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,800
where the collection
had been evacuated,
1010
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,960
and one work a month
was put on show.
1011
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,480
Every time
there was an air raid warning,
1012
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,960
the painting
would be taken off the wall
1013
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,960
and rushed downstairs
to a special safe
1014
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,960
where it would be protected
in case the gallery was bombed.
1015
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,960
And at the same time,
1016
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,960
Myra Hess had organised
a series of free lunchtime concerts.
1017
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,960
PIANO MUSIC PLAYS
1018
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,160
So the rest of the gallery
already, in a sense,
1019
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,960
had a captive audience -
people who were starved of concerts
1020
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,960
because the musical life of
the nation had also come to a halt.
1021
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,960
So the National Gallery
became the one place
1022
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:31,960
where, as it were, the guttering
flame of culture was still burning.
1023
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,800
And so many of the thousands
who came to the concert
1024
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,640
would also admire the one work
of art that was on display.
1025
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,960
I am Eugenie,
and I work at Hauser & Wirth,
1026
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,960
a contemporary gallery in London.
1027
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,960
I did art at school.
I always wanted to be an artist.
1028
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,800
I remember going
to the National Gallery
1029
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,960
and just sitting and drawing,
and now when I go around a gallery,
1030
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,960
I see all the young people
doing that,
1031
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,640
and I'm like, "I used to do that."
1032
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,640
And I wish I could find my drawings
from those moments
1033
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,960
where I was a student
right in the front,
1034
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,960
studying and looking and learning
all about history in art.
1035
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,960
I found myself in rooms
in the National Gallery
1036
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,960
with all these stories
and all these artists
1037
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,960
who put a piece of themselves
out there
1038
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,800
and a piece of history
and a bit of life.
1039
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,960
But you don't need to have learnt
the history of art
1040
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,640
to understand art.
1041
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,960
Art can be anything.
Art can mean anything to you.
1042
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,800
Like the painting
we're gonna talk about.
1043
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,960
It means something to me because
of where I am in my life now.
1044
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,960
I've chosen Correggio,
Madonna Of The Basket,
1045
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,960
and it's from 1524.
1046
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,960
Madonna and child has been painted
a million times
1047
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,960
and we've seen it everywhere.
1048
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:18,480
This one stuck out to me
1049
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:22,960
because of the very relaxed
and ethereal nature
1050
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,160
of this beautiful
mother-and-child bond.
1051
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,960
I see a lot of similarities
with this and my life.
1052
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,480
I've just had a second child,
and my little baby's ten months.
1053
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:37,480
Correggio is painting
a very domestic scene.
1054
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:40,160
This is a normal domestic family.
1055
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,960
It's something so personal
and so beautiful
1056
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,000
to see them like this
rather than in opulence
1057
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:51,960
or really heralded as these figures
that transcend history.
1058
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,960
She's just looking after her child,
1059
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,960
and she's struggling like a mum
would, putting on his little jacket.
1060
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,960
And I know how that feels.
1061
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,960
He looks like he's about
to take on the enormity of his task
1062
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:08,000
with his hand and his gestures,
but he's also with his mummy.
1063
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:12,960
At this moment, it's a mum having
put down her tools in the basket
1064
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,640
and picked up her baby.
1065
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,960
She's laid down her job for a minute
to look after her baby
1066
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,960
and I think, looking at this now,
1067
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,960
it's like women, they have babies,
they go to work.
1068
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,960
She's kind of representing that,
but in 1524.
1069
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,960
I think it's interesting
to note Joseph,
1070
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,960
sort of in the shadows
in the background,
1071
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,960
and she's the protagonist,
1072
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,480
and she's always been
the protagonist.
1073
01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:43,960
This painting is a very intimate,
very beautiful moment
1074
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,960
before the world overtook Jesus
and everything that went on.
1075
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,960
So it resonated with me
in that sense.
1076
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,640
It's just incredible to understand
1077
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,640
that this painter did this painting
all those years ago,
1078
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,800
and now it stands in front of us,
1079
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,960
and who knows the journey
it's been on and how it got to us.
1080
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,960
But it's here,
and we are able to admire it.
1081
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:32,640
I'm Gabriele Finaldi, and I'm the
director of the National Gallery.
1082
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,960
My favourite painting
in the National Gallery
1083
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,960
is Bartolome Bermejo's Saint Michael
Triumphant Over The Devil.
1084
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:43,960
It was painted in 1468.
1085
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:52,960
The opportunity arose to acquire it
in the mid-1990s,
1086
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,960
and it was
the first really significant
1087
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,960
medieval, Early Renaissance Spanish
picture that entered the collection.
1088
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,960
It's a scene showing Saint Michael,
1089
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,960
this sort of dancing,
beautifully lithe and elegant angel,
1090
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,960
with these multicoloured wings
spread open,
1091
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,960
and he's about to strike this demon.
1092
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:18,960
Also, you have the donor
of the painting,
1093
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,960
that's the person who has basically
paid for the picture.
1094
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:27,960
He's Antoni Joan.
He's a wealthy military leader.
1095
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,960
And he's the lord
of a little town called Tous,
1096
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,960
which is where the picture
comes from.
1097
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,960
He's at prayer.
1098
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,960
And Bermejo has worked
very, very carefully
1099
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,960
so that we can actually see
what it is he's praying.
1100
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:42,960
They're penitential psalms.
1101
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,960
And clearly, Antoni Joan is thinking
about what's going to happen
1102
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,960
at the end of his earthly life.
1103
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:52,480
And he's turning to Saint Michael,
who will offer him protection.
1104
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,960
Bermejo wants to represent the devil
1105
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,000
in as terrifying a way
as he possibly can.
1106
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,960
It's very difficult for us
to put ourselves
1107
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,480
into the mind of the 15th century.
1108
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:07,960
There's no electric light,
so when darkness comes,
1109
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,800
darkness can be very frightening,
1110
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,960
and you live in a town
where there are wild animals,
1111
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:15,480
there are wolves, there are bears.
1112
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:19,000
Life outside of the warmth
of the centre of the village
1113
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,640
can be very terrifying.
1114
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,480
People saw a lot of dark forces
at work in the natural world.
1115
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:29,960
So what Bermejo does is he brings
together several elements.
1116
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,160
The teeth of a wolf,
the wings of a bat,
1117
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,640
which sort of mix up
with the wings of a butterfly.
1118
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:41,960
There are snakes.
The big glowing eyes.
1119
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,960
All this is brought together
to create a sort of chimera.
1120
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:49,960
I think there's a glamour
to the way the picture is painted.
1121
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:54,960
I think anyone can appreciate
the extraordinary invention,
1122
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,960
the enormous technical skill.
1123
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,160
I mean, if you look at the way
he does the gilding
1124
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:00,960
and the toolwork on the gilding,
1125
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:06,640
the way he represents reflections
on the surface of the armour.
1126
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,960
And if you particularly look
at the breastplate,
1127
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:10,960
you'll see that there are areas
1128
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,960
where the pearls are reflected
on the breastplate itself.
1129
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,960
But also, you'll see
a reflection of a city.
1130
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:22,960
It's very likely a reflection
of the heavenly Jerusalem,
1131
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,960
of which Saint Michael
is the sort of guardian.
1132
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,960
So there's an element
to the narrative there
1133
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,480
that the artist
has very skilfully introduced
1134
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:33,960
into the representation
of the armour.
1135
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:39,320
That ability to represent
shine and reflection
1136
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,960
in a way
which is totally convincing,
1137
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:43,960
but also to use it to say something
1138
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:48,800
about the sort of divine subject
matter, is absolutely brilliant.
1139
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,000
And you think,
"Goodness, this painting is,
1140
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,640
"you know, nearly 600 years old."
1141
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:57,480
It is astonishing that across time,
these works can still appeal to us.
1142
01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:00,960
They can still mesmerise us,
they seduce us.
1143
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:02,960
We want to know more.
1144
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,960
When you look at the presentation
of the collection,
1145
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,960
people often think
it's relatively static,
1146
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,960
and it's not static at all.
1147
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,960
It changes all the time.
1148
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:36,320
And often, it's around how
you can best engage with the art.
1149
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,960
All of those changes, I think,
over the years
1150
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,960
have been about how do they balance
1151
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,960
the art historical narrative
of the whole gallery
1152
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,320
with the experience
that you might want to have
1153
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,480
with an individual artwork.
1154
01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:53,160
Originally, the National Gallery
was organised by school.
1155
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,960
So the idea was there would be
a section of the building
1156
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:56,960
for the British School,
1157
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,800
starting with the early works,
ending with Turner.
1158
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:00,960
You then, as it were, jump back
1159
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,000
by moving into the start
of the French School,
1160
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,960
through to the impressionists
and postimpressionists.
1161
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:10,960
Then you would enter the Dutch
School, again jumping back in time.
1162
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,800
That really changes
under Neil MacGregor in the 1990s.
1163
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:18,480
It became much more about bringing
different European schools together
1164
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:22,960
so that you would have all the works
from the Early Renaissance,
1165
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:24,960
whether they were produced
north of the Alps
1166
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,480
or south of the Alps,
displayed together.
1167
01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:28,960
The other big change
that there has been
1168
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,960
is in the way the signals,
the cues,
1169
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,960
that the decor
and the layout of the institution
1170
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,960
is giving you on how the pictures
are to be enjoyed.
1171
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:41,960
In the 1960s and '70s,
1172
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,960
there was a real turn away
from the Victorian idea
1173
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,960
of the National Gallery as a palace.
1174
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,640
And we see the very high ceilings
1175
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,960
having suspended ceilings
placed in there
1176
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,960
or, indeed, having buttresses
1177
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:59,960
visually divide up a large gallery
into a series of smaller spaces.
1178
01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:04,960
So the thinking here was, really,
that experiencing a work of art
1179
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,960
was quite an intimate,
personal experience,
1180
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,960
that visitors needed to be given
quiet spaces
1181
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,480
where footfall was muted.
1182
01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:15,960
Under Neil MacGregor
it became much more an idea
1183
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,960
of visiting as a social activity,
1184
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:22,320
that we should be aware that even
when we're enjoying the work of art,
1185
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,960
that we are doing so
as member of a public.
1186
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,960
And certainly, that's involved
bringing back a lot of the marble
1187
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,960
and the more magnificent spaces
1188
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:33,960
that have now led some -
1189
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,960
and this is a pendulum
that will swing forever, I think -
1190
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,320
to argue that it's too intimidating
a space for people
1191
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,960
who will never otherwise encounter
1192
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,960
an environment quite as apparently
opulent and perhaps alienating
1193
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,960
as this revived Victorian splendour.
1194
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,960
People were coming
into the gallery space,
1195
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,960
they were not seeing
a reflection of their lives.
1196
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,160
What they were seeing
was a reflection
1197
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,960
of the lives of the elite.
1198
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:07,960
However, I think what we are trying
to do now is trying to say,
1199
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,960
"Well, actually, though, there are
different stories that can be told
1200
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,160
"around these paintings,"
1201
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:16,960
not necessarily one version
of this history.
1202
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,320
'My name is Fiona Alderton.
1203
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,960
'I am a gallery educator
and storyteller
1204
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,320
'here at the National Gallery.
1205
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:39,960
'I work in the learning department
with all audiences,
1206
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:41,960
'from very small children,
1207
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,960
'right up to delivering
talks and lectures
1208
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,960
'for the public programme.'
1209
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:52,800
As educators,
we want people to find their way
1210
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,960
as well as giving them information
about a painting.
1211
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,320
But it's really important
that people inform their own ideas
1212
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:00,960
of what the painting might be about.
1213
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,960
Does anyone have any thoughts
as to who that might be?
1214
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,800
CROWD MEMBER: Diana?
Diana. And who was Diana?
1215
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,960
'You walk into a gallery space,
you can look at something,
1216
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,960
'and it really is
about how something makes you feel.
1217
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,320
'You may never have seen it before.'
1218
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:17,960
You might know nothing about the
artist or the time it was painted,
1219
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,800
but something about that painting
speaks to you,
1220
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:21,960
and that's really powerful.
1221
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:28,960
My favourite painting
in the National Gallery
1222
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:33,960
is a work by French artist
Elisabeth-Louise Vigee Le Brun.
1223
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:39,960
It was painted in 1782, and it is
called Self Portrait In A Straw Hat.
1224
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:48,960
I think it was really just looking
at her expression, at her face,
1225
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,960
the way that
she's looking out to us, the viewer.
1226
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:53,960
And there was
really something about that
1227
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:55,480
that really just drew me in.
1228
01:20:55,480 --> 01:20:58,000
I just wanted to know more and more
1229
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,640
about who she was
and why she painted it.
1230
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:07,960
Vigee Le Brun was born in 1752,
in Paris.
1231
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:09,960
Her father was a painter,
1232
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,960
and he really encouraged her
to draw and to paint.
1233
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,320
She was painting herself
1234
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,960
because she's wanting
to perhaps market herself.
1235
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,160
She starts getting a name
for herself at quite a young age,
1236
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:27,960
and she does come into the realm
of the courts of Marie Antoinette,
1237
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:29,480
the Queen at the time.
1238
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:33,960
And she creates around 30 portraits
of the Queen and her children.
1239
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,480
We have to think about the context
of this, the time,
1240
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:37,960
this is pre-French Revolution.
1241
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,800
So part of Vigee Le Brun's task
1242
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,960
was to really think about softening
the image of the Queen
1243
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,960
for the public there.
1244
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,960
Because she's so involved
with the court,
1245
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:50,960
with the queen, et cetera,
1246
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,960
she really is a bit of a target
for the revolutionaries.
1247
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,960
And she managed to flee France
1248
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,960
before the King and Queen
are hauled off to be executed.
1249
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,960
She's in exile for 12 years.
1250
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:07,960
She's travelling around, and her
reputation really has preceded her.
1251
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:13,960
When we think back to other periods,
women were creating art,
1252
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:18,960
but they were excluded from,
perhaps, creating the big history
1253
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,960
or mythological
or religious paintings
1254
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,960
because they were excluded
1255
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,960
from going to life drawing classes,
for example.
1256
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,960
So then women were painting
still life paintings,
1257
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,960
or perhaps portraiture,
and then maybe using themselves,
1258
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,960
as Vigee le Brun does,
as a model herself.
1259
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,000
She's looking out to us.
1260
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,960
She really wants to engage
with the viewer.
1261
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,960
And she absolutely is telling us
that not only is she a woman,
1262
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,960
but she's also an artist,
quite literally.
1263
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:50,960
She's holding her palette,
1264
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,960
and she's holding her brushes
in her hand.
1265
01:22:55,480 --> 01:22:56,960
I think when people walk in
1266
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:58,960
and they might notice
some of the bigger paintings,
1267
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,160
or they're looking
at perhaps the seascapes,
1268
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,960
and they move on because I think
they just look at it and think,
1269
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:04,960
"Yes, a beautiful woman."
1270
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,960
They don't even have any thought
about the fact
1271
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:08,960
that she may have painted it
herself.
1272
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,960
And you start giving
that little bit of story
1273
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,960
about her as a woman, as an artist,
1274
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,960
people are really keen
to look her up further
1275
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,960
or to find out
where her other paintings are.
1276
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,960
She's absolutely
one of my favourite artists.
1277
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,960
I'm Robert Raynard.
1278
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:09,960
I'm a visitor assistant
at the National Gallery.
1279
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,800
My favourite painting is
1280
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,960
A Girl At A Window
by Louis-Leopold Boilly.
1281
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,800
It was made in 1799.
1282
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,960
The first time I saw
A Girl At A Window,
1283
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,960
it was my very first day
1284
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,960
as a visitor assistant
at the gallery.
1285
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,960
I was struck by the colours,
or the lack of colours.
1286
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,960
I was unsure whether
I was looking at
1287
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,960
a black and white painting
or a print.
1288
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,960
I still find the character
quite powerful,
1289
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:48,960
in the sense that I don't know
what's on her mind.
1290
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,800
I don't know how she's feeling.
1291
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:54,960
Sad, upset or curious.
1292
01:24:54,960 --> 01:25:01,960
I also find her slightly unsettling
because she does not really smile.
1293
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,960
There are many questions
that we can ask.
1294
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:11,640
Do the characters and the fish
and the bird echo one another?
1295
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:18,160
The fish in a small bowl, trapped,
caught in this limited environment.
1296
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:19,960
And the birds?
1297
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,960
I'm not sure whether
it's one or two birds.
1298
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,960
If there's two,
the other one is in the shadow.
1299
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,960
The boy also seems to be
in the shadow.
1300
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,960
So possibly an echo of the bird.
1301
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:39,960
It seems to me that they could
all be prisoners in their own space
1302
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,960
and may be eager
to get out of this space.
1303
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:52,640
This is my favourite painting
because it makes me ask questions
1304
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,960
and discover a new world in art.
1305
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:40,000
One question we have today when
we live so much of our lives online
1306
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:43,160
is to imagine
if we were given the brief
1307
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,960
that the founding generation
of trustees and parliamentarians had
1308
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,320
to bring together great works of art
1309
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,960
and share them with
as wide an audience as possible,
1310
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:54,960
would we even build a building?
1311
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,960
Might we go straight
to building a website
1312
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,960
or some other interactive
virtual space?
1313
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,960
However, it's not a substitute
1314
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,960
for the actual experience
of works of art.
1315
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:07,960
It's really a way
in which people can be primed,
1316
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:11,640
can become curious
about the experience of encounter
1317
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,480
with a real work of art.
1318
01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:16,960
I certainly think while we do spend
a lot of our times
1319
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:18,960
in virtual spaces,
1320
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,160
there's a greater emphasis now
on experiences.
1321
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,960
I think we recognise
that the kind of authenticity,
1322
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:29,000
the kind of intensity that we demand
from those experiences
1323
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,960
is something that artificial worlds
and digital worlds
1324
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,960
can't fully provide.
1325
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:05,960
My name is Jacqueline Wilson,
and I write children's books.
1326
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:07,960
I've written over 100 books.
1327
01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:11,960
I absolutely love
the National Gallery.
1328
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,960
I first went there
as a very little girl.
1329
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,960
My dad took me on a day trip,
1330
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,960
and we looked mostly
at the Canalettos.
1331
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,960
And I think that was
because he'd been a draughtsman,
1332
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,960
and he rather liked
the detail of the buildings.
1333
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,960
Later on,
when I was in my early teens,
1334
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,640
I had a unfortunate accident
with my front teeth
1335
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,960
and I had to keep going
to the Royal Hospital of Dentists,
1336
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:39,960
which was in Leicester Square.
1337
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,960
And so I thought, "I'll go over
the road to the National Gallery
1338
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:48,000
"and just wander round and look
at some paintings for comfort."
1339
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:51,960
And I adored the impressionists
1340
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,960
because, you know,
what could be easier,
1341
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,960
more pleasant, so bright colours?
1342
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:02,960
I've chosen The Umbrellas
by Pierre-Auguste Renoir,
1343
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,160
painted in the 1880s.
1344
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:12,960
I love that era because women
are becoming more able to see
1345
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,320
that there are other things
to do in life
1346
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:17,960
other than be
the angel of the house,
1347
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,960
or mother's grown-up,
dutiful daughter.
1348
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:23,480
I loved the fashion.
1349
01:29:23,480 --> 01:29:27,960
I loved the expressions
on people's faces.
1350
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,960
I liked the pattern
of the umbrellas.
1351
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,320
It was just a joyful painting,
1352
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,960
but it seemed to be telling me
a story.
1353
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:41,960
The young woman without the umbrella
is staring out,
1354
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:43,960
and she's got this expression
on her face.
1355
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,960
It's mysterious,
as if she's got a secret.
1356
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:51,960
And as if you, the viewer,
are going to be let in on it.
1357
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,960
I do like there to be
a strong narrative in a painting,
1358
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,640
and, if there isn't one,
I make it up.
1359
01:29:59,960 --> 01:30:03,960
I thought everybody else
seems quite intent
1360
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,960
on putting their umbrellas up
or being under their umbrellas.
1361
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,960
And then I imagined a gale.
1362
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,960
The wind actually starts
lifting under their umbrellas,
1363
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,960
and then they all fly away
over the rooftops of Paris.
1364
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,480
And the girl is left with the viewer
1365
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:23,960
sort of smiling at each other,
you know, completely safe.
1366
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:29,960
I certainly feel
that this working-class young woman
1367
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,960
is the one I identify with,
1368
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:34,000
and interestingly for me,
1369
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,000
I see that she's got wonderful
sort of dark red hair.
1370
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:43,960
Perhaps a little tiny snapshot
of this woman stayed inside my head
1371
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:48,960
till many, many, many years later,
I invented my Hetty Feather,
1372
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:53,160
who was a girl
of a similar social status.
1373
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:55,800
And it's hard to identify
1374
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,960
with the posh little girls,
all prettied up.
1375
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:02,960
I think if you're a girl like
this one, you have far more fun.
1376
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,960
I know there's a whole movement
against Renoir.
1377
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,960
And I found a quote that he said,
1378
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:17,960
when accused of painting rather
luscious young nudes or whatever,
1379
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:19,960
he's saying, "I like pretty things.
1380
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:22,000
"Why shouldn't I paint
pretty things?"
1381
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,480
And, yeah, I agree. Why not?
1382
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:07,960
I'm Peter Murphy.
I'm currently a piano teacher.
1383
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,960
I used to be a television producer,
1384
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,960
but then I got
a dreadful drug habit,
1385
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:14,960
and that changed my life
dramatically.
1386
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,640
I'm passionate about coming
to the National Gallery,
1387
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,480
and looking at pictures
played a huge part
1388
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:22,960
in my recovery from addiction.
1389
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:24,960
There's nothing more exciting
1390
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:28,960
than walking
into this extraordinary space,
1391
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:30,000
and it's something
I didn't understand
1392
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,960
when I first started
coming to galleries
1393
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,640
and realising
that there was this secret world
1394
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,160
that I could come
and discover for myself.
1395
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:39,960
You don't need to be posh.
1396
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:43,960
You don't need to be highly educated
and bookish.
1397
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:46,960
These pictures are ravishing.
They're gorgeous.
1398
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,960
The painting that has
most significance for me
1399
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,960
is Bellini's Madonna Of The Meadow.
1400
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,960
Painted around 1500 to 1505.
1401
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:03,480
And it's the most lovely picture
of a mother and a child
1402
01:33:03,480 --> 01:33:04,960
sitting in a field
1403
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:09,960
in a translucent spring morning
and a lovely landscape behind it.
1404
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:12,960
I'll never forget the first time
I encountered
1405
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:14,640
the Madonna Of The Meadow.
1406
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,960
I had finally faced up to the fact
1407
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,960
that I was in big trouble with drugs
and I couldn't stop.
1408
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:27,960
And I went to my first
Narcotics Anonymous meeting
1409
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,960
and after the meeting, I was
completely confused, emotional,
1410
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,960
and I found myself here,
at the National Gallery.
1411
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:38,960
I was drawn to this Bellini.
1412
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,960
And I stood
in front of this picture,
1413
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,000
and it was the oddest sensation.
1414
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:46,320
I was so struck
1415
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:50,960
by the sheer enormous stature
of this woman.
1416
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:54,960
She towers over the baby.
She towers over the landscape.
1417
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:57,960
The first thing you notice
is this pyramid shape
1418
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:02,960
that the Madonna makes,
and a pyramid is very stable.
1419
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,320
I was really intrigued.
1420
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,320
I couldn't get the picture
out of my mind,
1421
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,960
and I thought, "Am I going mad?"
1422
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:13,960
Is it something to do with
the drugs, coming off the drugs?
1423
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:15,960
But I knew there was a meaning.
1424
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:20,480
And the more I looked,
the more it gave up its secrets.
1425
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:24,960
I was deeply touched
by the tilt of her head.
1426
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,480
She's holding her hands like this.
1427
01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:28,960
And it's almost like prayer,
1428
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,000
but she looks like
she's holding the baby's head.
1429
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:36,960
And I suddenly realised,
she's holding the baby's mind.
1430
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,960
And I knew this was a picture
of secure attachment
1431
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,320
between a mother and a baby.
1432
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,640
The attachment that means
that you can develop,
1433
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:47,960
you can grow up,
you can be anything,
1434
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:48,960
if you're safe and loved.
1435
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:53,960
That baby lying in her lap
was safe and loved.
1436
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,960
It really began to dawn on me that
that was something I never had.
1437
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:04,960
I'm the eldest of four children,
and my mother couldn't mother.
1438
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:06,960
She gave me to her sister.
1439
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:10,960
I was brought up by my aunt
for the first years,
1440
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,800
and I was always very confused
as to who my mother was.
1441
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:15,960
I've never felt loved,
1442
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,960
and it was seeing
this vital connection
1443
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,960
painted all those centuries ago.
1444
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:24,320
I stood in front of the picture
and I cried.
1445
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,960
I was so ashamed at having
got into trouble with drugs.
1446
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:32,960
And I realised, looking
at the picture, that I wasn't bad.
1447
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:34,320
It wasn't my fault.
1448
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,960
And I think that's the amazing thing
about pictures.
1449
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:41,640
That's a religious painting,
but for me, it was a human painting.
1450
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,960
I am fascinated that the painting
1451
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:50,960
can speak to me so personally
after all these years.
1452
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,960
I don't think Bellini
1453
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:57,160
could have been that different
from us, people then,
1454
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:01,960
and I'm fascinated
by that link between the past.
1455
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,160
And I think that's something
that art shows us,
1456
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:05,960
that we've got more in common
with each other
1457
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:08,480
in our very basic humanity.
1458
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:11,960
I'll tell you something.
1459
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:16,960
I would not have uncovered
the secrets of that Bellini
1460
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:18,960
had the National Gallery
not been free.
1461
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,960
Because I came every day
for months and months and months,
1462
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:26,640
and I stood quietly
in front of the picture,
1463
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:28,960
and that was a real luxury.
1464
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,000
Can you imagine if you had
to pay 15 euros or something,
1465
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:35,800
or ยฃ25 to go into the gallery?
1466
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:36,960
You wouldn't do it.
1467
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,960
It's my club.
LAUGHS
1468
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:42,960
It's my National Gallery,
and I belong here.
1469
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:43,960
I feel like I've come home.
1470
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,960
TANNOY: 'Hello, this
is a visitor announcement.
1471
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,960
'We hope you've enjoyed
your visit today.
1472
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:02,960
'The gallery closes at 6pm,
1473
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,960
'and our cloakrooms, gift shops,
cafes and toilets
1474
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:07,960
'will be closing shortly.
1475
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:11,960
'The National Gallery
will be open again tomorrow at 10am.
1476
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,480
'Thank you,
and have a lovely evening.'
1477
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:19,320
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