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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,960 I'm Joshua Pell. 2 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,000 I'm a retail assistant at the National Gallery. 3 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,960 Being at the gallery was the main reason 4 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,960 I applied for the job in the first place. 5 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,960 My dad brought me here once 6 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,960 when we visited London when I was maybe 11 or 12. 7 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,960 I love the memories of being here. 8 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,960 My favourite painting at the National Gallery 9 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,960 is The Adoration Of The Kings by Jan Brueghel the Elder. 10 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,960 And he could have just maybe shown a nativity scene, 11 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,960 that you would want it to look like. 12 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,960 I love that he's chosen not to do that. 13 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,320 The first time I saw it was 14 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,960 during a lesson with the Royal Drawing School, 15 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,960 where I had to choose a picture to draw for five weeks. 16 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,960 The building just leaped out at me, 17 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,160 and I thought it was beautiful. 18 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,960 I think it reminds me a lot of buildings 19 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,960 that I've seen around Hull, where I grew up. 20 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:31,960 And Hull, given that it is a kind of post-industrial town in the North, 21 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,960 has a lot of that kind of urban decay. 22 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,960 I was always fascinated with those buildings 23 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,960 that felt like they'd been forgotten about. 24 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,960 I grew up there in a working-class environment, 25 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:54,960 and my love of art really came from my dad. 26 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,480 He worked in an industrial estate near where I grew up. 27 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,960 He would drive through there to get to work. 28 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,640 We would go with him, 29 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,960 and I would just stare out of the window 30 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,960 at these buildings every day. 31 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,960 And I still have very vivid memories of that. 32 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,960 When I saw this picture, 33 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,960 it gave me that feeling - 34 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,960 and I think I've been looking for it since I was young. 35 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,960 I'm led in to this painting by the sheer presence 36 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,960 of the building first 37 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,960 and all of this indulgent detail 38 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,960 of the flaking plaster and straw on the roof. 39 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:47,960 And then I see this amazing thing happening underneath. 40 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,000 The building kind of acts as an umbrella 41 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,960 to the whole composition. 42 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,960 And, of course, there's the beautiful landscape 43 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,960 in the background too. 44 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,960 It has so much busyness and excitement 45 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:06,960 that you can look at this 46 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,960 and just enjoy indulging in these little details 47 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,160 and these tiny narratives that are going on, 48 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,960 and you really want to spend the time to figure that out. 49 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,960 And I think maybe that's something 50 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,960 that's kind of been lost a little bit in media 51 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,960 or the kind of forms of entertainment 52 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,960 that we have and rely on now, 53 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,000 that, a lot of the time, you don't make your own decisions 54 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,960 about what's happening. 55 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,960 You don't have to do any work to find it, 56 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,320 it's all kind of just given to you. 57 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,480 I like this as a form of entertainment. 58 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,960 It's fun. It's fun to figure these things out. 59 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,960 My name is Alan Allison. 60 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,960 I'm a security officer and gallery assistant, 61 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,960 London born and bred. 62 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,960 I've been at the gallery ten years in September. 63 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,960 I always used to come past here at night-time, in my clubbing days. 64 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,960 I always used to wonder at the beauty of the building 65 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,960 and what is inside. 66 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,480 But it wasn't until I started working in the gallery 67 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:37,960 that I realised, "Wow!" 68 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,960 I was captivated by the paintings. 69 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,960 From day one, I was going home, 70 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,960 reading up on them and extending my knowledge. 71 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,960 I like to show the visitors the beauty 72 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,960 of the paintings in the gallery, 73 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,640 the magic behind the paintings, the hidden secrets. 74 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,960 But I haven't seen, really, 75 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:02,960 many paintings that represent myself. 76 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,960 It does make me feel quite sad, in a way, 77 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,960 because it doesn't really reflect society. 78 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,800 They're very much still in this bubble, 79 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,960 focusing on colonialism, the slave trade. 80 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,960 You want to see portraits which reflect Black people 81 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,960 who have contributed massively to society, 82 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,960 part of the fabric of this nation and making it great. 83 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,480 So, the National Gallery does feel like my gallery. 84 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,960 However, when you're looking at representation, 85 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,640 I feel that the gallery can do a lot more. 86 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,960 My favourite painting in the National Gallery 87 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,960 is Caravaggio's Supper at Emmaus, painted in 1601. 88 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,960 Ah, so, the first time I saw it, oh, it just won me over. 89 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,960 It spoke to me. 90 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,960 It's almost cinematic. 91 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,960 The way the characters are portrayed in the painting, 92 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,800 you can almost visualise what they're actually saying. 93 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,960 It's three days after Jesus was crucified, 94 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,960 and then he was resurrected, 95 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,960 and he turned up in the town of Emmaus. 96 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,960 He was walking through Emmaus, 97 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,960 and he stumbled upon a few of the disciples. 98 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,960 They were kind of pouring out their grief 99 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,480 about Jesus being executed. 100 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,960 And they said, "Oh, would you like to attend a meal with us?" 101 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,960 So, it was only when he attended the meal in the evening 102 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:03,960 that they realised who it was, when Jesus broke the bread. 103 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,960 And this painting is that moment. 104 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:08,960 The character on the right - 105 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,960 who possibly could be Cleopas, one of the disciples - 106 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,960 he's almost gesturing as if to say to Jesus, 107 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,960 "The last time I saw you, you were on the cross!" 108 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,480 And then the character on the left, he possibly could be Luke, 109 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,960 and he's almost springing out his chair in wonderment. 110 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,960 You can imagine, if you was to look at him face-on, 111 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,960 his eyes would be almost popping out from their sockets. 112 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,960 It's almost as if the viewer, 113 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:38,960 when they're looking at this painting, 114 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,960 they're part of being at this dinner table, 115 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,960 almost joining in with the conversation. 116 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,480 Caravaggio is absolutely amazing. 117 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,960 It's the way he uses light and shadow. 118 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,000 When you look at the vase, for instance, 119 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,960 you can see that beautiful reflection 120 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,960 on the table that's cast from the shadow. 121 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,960 Also, above Jesus's head, 122 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,960 you can see a halo, using the shadows. 123 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,960 And then, sticking out from the side of Jesus, 124 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,800 you can see an angel's wing. 125 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,960 And lastly, there's a basket of ripened fruit, 126 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,480 and, sticking out from the side, you can see a fishtail, 127 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,960 which represents the feeding the 5,000 128 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,640 with the bread and the fish. 129 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,480 So, it's deciphering the codes, 130 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,960 and then you will get the true meaning of the painting. 131 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,960 I'm Helena Fitzgerald, 132 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,960 and I'm a corporate development manager at the National Gallery. 133 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,960 My connection to the gallery goes way beyond my job. 134 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,960 Most summer holidays, when I was little, 135 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,640 I was brought here by my nan. 136 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,000 My nan knew everything about London. 137 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,960 She knew where to go, she knew what was free, 138 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,480 what was interesting, what was exciting, 139 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,960 and how to engage her kids and her grandchildren. 140 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,960 My favourite painting in the gallery is The Ballet Dancers by Degas, 141 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,960 which was painted around 1890. 142 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,960 And it's my nan's favourite painting. 143 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,480 I know this was about finding my own particular piece, 144 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,320 but I admired her so much. 145 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,480 She had a print of The Ballet Dancers in her bedroom, 146 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,960 so that's probably the first time I saw it, actually. 147 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,960 It was there, before we even came to the National Gallery. 148 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,800 One of the things my nan used to do when we were in an art gallery 149 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,960 was to figure out what is interesting to you 150 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,480 and what makes you tick, 151 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,960 rather than giving her opinion on a specific thing. 152 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,160 I used to be obsessed with dancing, and I went to theatre school, 153 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,960 and I had the pleasure of learning ballet. 154 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,480 So, when I look at this painting, 155 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,000 this is everything I thought I was going to be. 156 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,960 I thought I was gonna be a ballerina. 157 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,960 I'm looking through a window into a classroom, into a studio, 158 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,480 into that moment of them stretching, of them practising, 159 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:47,960 of them rehearsing. 160 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,480 I remember that feeling, 161 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,960 I remember stretching, I remember the hard work. 162 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,960 I remember the, like, painful toes. 163 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,960 I feel emotional, I think, because this has so many depths for me. 164 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,960 But that's what art is, right? 165 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,960 It's about feeling loads of different things at once. 166 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,160 So, every time I look at this painting, 167 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,960 it reminds me of my nan. 168 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,480 My name is Ann. I'm Helena's grandmother. 169 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:28,960 I'm 87. 170 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,960 And I think I was about 15 when I first came to the gallery. 171 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,960 When I first came, I thought it was a gruesome place 172 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,960 because there seemed to be lots of pictures of crucifixions. 173 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,960 And I was a bit bewildered, but I've grown to love it. 174 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,960 It's changed really immensely. 175 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,960 It's not that quiet place where you crept about 176 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,800 and you were careful what you said or if you even spoke very much. 177 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,960 There's more people here now. 178 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,640 Also, different age groups now, there's more younger people come. 179 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,800 It's full of what I call "real paintings" 180 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,960 of places and people. 181 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,960 It brings to life a different age. 182 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,960 My favourite painting is The Ballet Dancer by Degas. 183 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,960 I love him. I love his paintings. 184 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,160 You can really feel that they are moving. 185 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,960 It's just so clever. 186 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,640 The more you look at it, the more it comes alive. 187 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,480 It's almost like you can see the layers of the tulle. 188 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,800 And those lovely shoes, you can see the satin. 189 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,960 Can you see how they shine? 190 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,960 And all of that amongst all that dull floor. 191 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,960 But I think that painting... 192 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,320 When Helena told me that she had a job in the National Gallery, 193 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,960 I was thrilled to bits. 194 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,960 I knew she would love talking about it, 195 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:01,960 and she would have lots to tell me. 196 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,960 And I thought, "I'd probably get in there a lot more now." 197 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:05,960 LAUGHS 198 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,960 The National Gallery was founded in 1824, 199 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,960 really in the wake of the Napoleonic Wars. 200 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,960 Having won the war, there was a strong impetus 201 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,960 to try and win the peace 202 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,960 by creating the kind of cultural institutions 203 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,960 which Napoleonic France had had 204 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,960 but which Britain had been very slow in developing. 205 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,000 It's also a time when other European states 206 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,960 are setting up their national galleries. 207 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,960 What's different in the case of our National Gallery 208 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,960 is that, in this case, it's not a nationalised royal collection. 209 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,960 The real founding father of the National Gallery 210 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,480 was a private collector and Tory landowner 211 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,960 named Sir George Howland Beaumont 212 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,960 who was himself a painter, 213 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,480 which was unusual for the aristocracy at the time. 214 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,960 A friend of Constable, who hosted him in his own home. 215 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,960 And, as he had no children, 216 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,960 he was beginning to think, in the 1820s, about what he would do 217 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,960 with his very fine collection of paintings. 218 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,960 The original home of the National Gallery wasn't 219 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,960 in Trafalgar Square. 220 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,960 It was a good couple hundred yards to the west 221 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,960 at number 100, Pall Mall. 222 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,960 This was the residence of John Julius Angerstein. 223 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,480 And until 1838, for the first 14 years, 224 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,960 the National Gallery was in a series of different terraces 225 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,960 on different sides of Pall Mall. 226 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,960 Large paintings having to be squeezed into rooms 227 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,960 that were clearly intended to be domestic in scale. 228 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,960 And so, early paintings of the National Gallery 229 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,960 really do show pictures having to be hung frame to frame 230 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,640 in what must have been quite a tight and constricted hang. 231 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,960 My name's Michael Palin. 232 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,320 I'm a traveller and an actor and a general hack. 233 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,480 And my favourite painting was painted in 1844 by Turner, 234 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,640 and it's called Rain, Steam, Speed. 235 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,960 I think Turner's a genius, and I love his work. 236 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,960 It's also a favourite painting of mine because of the subject. 237 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,960 I've always been rather interested in railways 238 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,960 and the history of railways. 239 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:17,960 And this is so significant 240 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,960 because it is about the birth of the railway. 241 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,480 It was still a new thing 242 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,160 and a thing that, you know, frightened so many people. 243 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,800 They thought it was going to destroy the countryside 244 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,960 and make cows lose their calves 245 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,960 because of the noise and the steam and all that. 246 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,480 But he's painted that for another reason, 247 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,960 which is, I think, this is the future. 248 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,960 This is his sort of science-fiction painting. 249 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,480 The steam is very, very important. 250 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,960 But the focus is this machine. 251 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,960 He's using the countryside 252 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,640 and the beauty of the countryside and the river 253 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,960 but counterbalancing it with the power of the train, 254 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,480 this man-made thing, which is black and rearing up and coming, 255 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:00,960 charging towards you. 256 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,960 So, I think he must have been excited by it, maybe a bit alarmed. 257 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,960 But there is a real narrative here. 258 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,960 I think he's saying this is a new world 259 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,960 that's been opened up by the railway, 260 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,480 and it's got enormous possibilities, 261 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,640 and people are going to have to adapt to it. 262 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,960 The train emerges at a certain angle. 263 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,000 You just feel it's coming towards you quite fast, 264 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,640 breaking through all the cloud. 265 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,960 And what I think he's also done is contrast 266 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,960 the kind of static life around. 267 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,960 You know, there, the little boat there, 268 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,960 the little skiff in the river. 269 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,960 And I do love these people here. 270 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,480 "Wow! Yeah!" What are they saying? 271 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,960 SCOTTISH ACCENT: "Go away! Go away, you naughty work of Satan." 272 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,960 Or they're saying, "Hey, where can we get a ticket?" 273 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,960 And then over in the background there, 274 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:01,480 I think there's a man ploughing. 275 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,960 Tiny little figures, but they're very, very important 276 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,960 cos they contrast the activity and the dynamism 277 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,960 of the train that's coming towards you. 278 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,800 I love all the people in... you can see them in the coaches. 279 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,960 And they're completely uncovered. 280 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,960 There they are, all sitting there, 281 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,960 and obviously, they're getting a bit wet. 282 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,960 They're going rather fast, there's a lot of noise. 283 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,960 It looks terribly dangerous to some people. 284 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:26,960 And yet, there they are. 285 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,960 It's like a wonderful fairground ride. 286 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,960 And there's a hare - it's very, very tiny - 287 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,960 running away from the train. 288 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,960 It's almost like the natural world is running away 289 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,960 from something that may destroy it. 290 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,160 Hares are very fast, 291 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,960 so there's this sort of competitive thing together, 292 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,960 you know, "Who's gonna get there first, 293 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,800 "the Old World or the New World?" 294 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,640 And obviously, the New World is gonna win. 295 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,960 My name is John Wilson. 296 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,960 This is my sign name. 297 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,640 I work at the National Gallery as a BSL tour guide and lecturer. 298 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,960 BSL is British Sign Language, 299 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,960 so I deliver information using the Deaf community's language. 300 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,960 I talk about paintings. 301 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,960 I was born deaf, and I've been deaf my entire life. 302 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,960 When I'm giving a presentation to deaf and hearing audience members, 303 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,960 there's a difference. 304 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,640 Deaf people seem to capture more details. 305 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,640 They notice things in a very different way. 306 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,960 My favourite painting is called 307 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,960 Exhibition Of A Rhinoceros At Venice, 308 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,960 and this was painted by an artist who was born in Venice - 309 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,640 Pietro Longhi. 310 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,480 He was famous for painting everyday life in Venice, 311 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,960 usually in domestic scenes. 312 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,960 But this painting is of a rhinoceros named Clara. 313 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,480 When you look around the room, 314 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,960 most of the paintings here are from Venice, 315 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,480 and they were painted at similar times. 316 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,960 Most also are outside scenes, 317 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,960 but this one is an interior scene. 318 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,960 So the painting really has an impact, I think. 319 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,640 There is a wall with people looking on at the rhino. 320 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,960 They're definitely wealthy - you can tell that by their clothing. 321 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,960 Some of them have masks on, 322 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,960 and the reason for that is 323 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,960 that Venice always has a carnival January, February time. 324 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,960 It was traditional to put on masks and costumes. 325 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,960 I've chosen this painting 326 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,960 because I've always enjoyed paintings of animals, 327 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,640 and I have great respect for animals. 328 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,640 It's not a painting that shows abuse of the animal. 329 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,960 It's not for sport. 330 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,960 It's not being hunted or being killed for food or clothing. 331 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,960 There are very few paintings that actually respect the animals, 332 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,640 so this is very different. 333 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,480 And it also shows that science had started to develop, 334 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,160 and natural history was becoming a serious subject. 335 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,640 People wanted to know more about the animals, 336 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,640 and they started to respect them 337 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,960 and saw that they were worthy of study. 338 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,960 I have some empathy with the people then. 339 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,480 When I was a little boy, I was deaf. 340 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,960 People would sort of want to research my deafness, 341 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,960 teach me how to speak. 342 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,960 The people back then wanted to research Clara 343 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,480 to try to get knowledge of the animal, 344 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,640 just like people wanted to have knowledge of my deafness. 345 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,960 So that's it for me - I have empathy. 346 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,960 The National Gallery's a collection of around 2,400 paintings, 347 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,960 which date from the early 13th century 348 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,960 to the early 20th century. 349 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,960 I think, in the early decades of the National Gallery, 350 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,480 there was a sense that it wasn't supposed to be representative 351 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,640 of something we might call "art history". 352 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,960 It was simply to have the aesthetically finest schools 353 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,960 and the greatest masters 354 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,480 without any need to be representative 355 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,960 of a particular time or a particular style. 356 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,000 So, the National Gallery is trying to work out what its job is, 357 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,960 what it's supposed to collect. 358 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:51,960 And it's trying to do so 359 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,960 against a background that's constantly shifting. 360 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,480 Roughly half the National Gallery collection 361 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,960 is a result of private donations and especially bequests. 362 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,960 The other half was funded by general taxation. 363 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,960 In other words, there's a tranche of money 364 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,960 given by the Treasury every year to buy works of art. 365 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,960 By around 1900, 366 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,480 as the British aristocracy started to feel the pinch 367 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,960 of falling agricultural revenues and death duties in 1894, 368 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,960 they start selling their great, old master paintings. 369 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,960 It's at that point that the Americans, Gilded Age oligarchs, 370 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,960 are on the market, trying to hoover up these paintings. 371 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,960 As a result, the art market for old masters goes through the roof, 372 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,960 and this annual purchase grant is now nowhere near enough money. 373 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,960 This is why we get what's now the Art Fund, 374 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,960 the National Art Collections Fund, 375 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,960 being established in the early years of the 20th century 376 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,480 to try and save, as they would put it, 377 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,160 some of the, in a sense, already the people's pictures. 378 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,960 The public at large does look to the National Gallery 379 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,960 and expects it to contain works of art that speak to them 380 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,960 and give them a shared sense of the potential of human creativity 381 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,960 beyond anything narrowly patriotic or nationalistic. 382 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,960 My name is Saffron Bowdler, 383 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,960 and I am a marketing executive here at the National Gallery. 384 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,480 My favourite painting here is Bacchus And Ariadne by Titian, 385 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,640 which was painted in 1520 to 1523. 386 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,960 The sheer size and scale of the painting 387 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,960 is the first thing that drew me to it. 388 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,800 And I think, if anyone was to walk into this room, 389 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:10,960 it's really hard to ignore. 390 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,960 You've got this beautiful young man, or god, Bacchus, 391 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,960 flying from his chariot, 392 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,960 frozen in a moment, in mid-air, staring longingly 393 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,960 at this beautiful, slightly dishevelled Cretan princess, 394 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,640 which is Ariadne. 395 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,480 Ariadne's outstretching her hand, looking quite upset 396 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,480 because there's a tiny little ship sailing into the distance. 397 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,960 That is her lover, Theseus. 398 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,480 So, she's awoken, 399 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,160 she's realised that she's been abandoned. 400 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,960 While this is happening on the left-hand side, 401 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,960 Bacchus storms in with his musical followers, 402 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,960 crashing, making noise. 403 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,960 There's a lot of hedonism going on, a lot of kind of ecstasy and frenzy. 404 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,960 He stops instantly when he sees Ariadne 405 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,480 because he's literally so struck and overcome with the sensation 406 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:01,960 of love at first sight. 407 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,320 So this painting basically shows 408 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,000 that exact moment where love happens. 409 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,960 This is what Titian was trying to portray, 410 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,960 the moment when their eyes first lock. 411 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,960 I was very fortunate enough to have grown up in a very artistic family. 412 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,960 My father was a cavalry officer but also an artist. 413 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,960 And my whole childhood, 414 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,960 we would create and paint together all the time. 415 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,640 My parents sadly split when I was quite young, 416 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,960 and my father would have me on weekends, 417 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,960 and it was always the case of... INHALES SHARPLY 418 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,960 Not a lot of money, what does one do with a little girl? 419 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:35,960 He didn't see me that much, 420 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,960 so I think he wanted the time to be quite precious and to make memories. 421 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,000 We would go and look at art. 422 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,960 And the National Gallery was the first one he ever took me to. 423 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,960 I was probably about five the first time I came here. 424 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,000 And he would always ask me, "What do you like about it? 425 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,320 "What don't you like about it? How does it make you feel?" 426 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,480 And I remember feeling such... pride 427 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,960 in the fact that my father, who was this trained artist, 428 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,960 was asking me what I thought about them. 429 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:03,960 On one of our first trips, 430 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,000 I saw Bacchus And Ariadne for the first time, 431 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,160 and I remember the feeling that that painting brought out in me. 432 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,960 It took my breath away. 433 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,960 It was the colour, it was the fact that she was a princess. 434 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,000 It was quite an epic tale of abandonment and woe and love, 435 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,960 and I remember just sitting 436 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,960 and feeling very connected to my father 437 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,960 and also our mutual enjoyment of art. 438 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,960 So, the relationship between me and this painting 439 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,960 has actually taken quite a few different turns. 440 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,960 My father sadly passed away when I was 12. 441 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,320 And obviously this painting, for me, is so much of him. 442 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,160 So for a while, I actually didn't look at it. 443 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,000 I then went to university. 444 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,960 I did History of Art, and we had to write a dissertation, 445 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,640 and I actually wrote about it. 446 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,320 At the time, I was a new-found woman in her early 20s. 447 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,960 I was reading a lot of feminist literature 448 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,800 and basically took the stance of, 449 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,480 "Of course he falls in love with her instantly. 450 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,960 "But did Ariadne want this? 451 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,960 "Is it the male gaze that we see this picture through? 452 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,000 "Did she love him?" 453 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,960 So when I then explored it through that lens, 454 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:10,960 it was really fascinating. 455 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,800 This painting has travelled with me through my whole life. 456 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,960 I've looked at it from many viewpoints. 457 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,960 Now I see it in a context of just human life 458 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,960 and the complexities of what it is to be human. 459 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,960 When I look at it, there's two sides to it. 460 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,960 I see my father in particular, 461 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,480 and that to be a human is to have both sides. 462 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,960 He was a beautiful man, 463 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,960 charming, charismatic but a bit of a Peter Pan, 464 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,960 and he did suffer with alcohol problems and dependencies. 465 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,960 So, again, this picture has so many layers for me. 466 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,960 Bacchus, this beautiful young man, who was the god of wine, 467 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,960 so probably excess and ecstasy and hedonism. 468 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,960 But there's so much love there. 469 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,960 They're not bad. It's just bad decisions. 470 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,960 Then, on the other side of the canvas, 471 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,320 you've then got this stillness and this kind of desire for purity. 472 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,160 And I think my father for many years found solace in his art. 473 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,960 It's about both of those sides, which is lightness and dark, 474 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,960 to come together and be what it is to be human 475 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,960 because we are complex creatures, we are not perfect. 476 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,480 Artists have brought onto their canvases 477 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,960 a unique perspective of human existence. 478 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,960 That's what I just find so fascinating. 479 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,960 If people say art isn't for them, it's just very much human stories. 480 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,960 And how can that not be for you? 481 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:17,960 I'm Kasper Pincis, 482 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,320 and I'm an art handling supervisor at the National Gallery. 483 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:24,960 The art handling department 484 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,640 is essentially just the arms of the gallery. 485 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,960 We're in charge of all the moving and installation of the collection. 486 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,960 We install the permanent displays, 487 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,960 and we move the paintings between store, display, 488 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,960 conservation, photography. 489 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,960 And if we're lucky, we get to travel with them 490 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,480 when we lend them to other institutions. 491 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,960 I've taken some Tintorettos to Venice, a Monet to Texas, 492 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,480 and I brought The Execution of Lady Jane Grey 493 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,960 back from Tokyo. 494 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,960 One of my favourite paintings, and it's from 1668, 495 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,160 is called Birds, Butterflies And A Frog Among Plants and Fungi 496 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,960 by Melchior d'Hondecoeter. 497 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,960 It's not been on display much, maybe a year, 498 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,960 but in the last 20 years, it's been in storage, 499 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:15,960 apart from that one year. 500 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,960 Some paintings that we have in store 501 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,960 are probably gonna be there for a long time 502 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,960 because the collection grows, 503 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960 things are bequeathed, and fashions change as well. 504 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,960 So paintings that everybody loved 100 years ago 505 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,960 are no longer in fashion. 506 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:33,960 Space is at a premium, 507 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,960 so the curators really have a tough job choosing what to show 508 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,960 and how to make it fit into a bigger story. 509 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,000 This painting is slightly dark, but it's also a bit like a jewel. 510 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,960 It's kind of gleaming there. 511 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,960 The moths and butterflies are flying away, 512 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,960 and these mushrooms have been uprooted somehow. 513 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,960 It's trying to show maybe an unsettled mood 514 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,960 cos these birds seem to be aggravated by this frog. 515 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,960 But quite nice that it's just like a microcosm, 516 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,960 and it's a lot of drama in a small space. 517 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,480 We've got very few paintings like this. 518 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,960 It's not a still life, but it's not really a landscape. 519 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,960 There's nothing else really like it in the collection. 520 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,960 To have something like this which not only paints animals 521 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,000 but gives them a sort of agency and makes a little story... 522 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,960 It's just quite fascinating to imagine 523 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,480 this kind of microcosm existing in all the landscapes, 524 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,960 just in the corners that you don't see. 525 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,960 So it feels quite appropriate 526 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,960 to be sort of in the undergrowth of the gallery. 527 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,320 I'd love to see it up on the main floor, 528 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,960 and, like, we probably will again before too long. 529 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,960 It's nice when you see something that hasn't been up for ages 530 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,960 and having its moment in the sun. 531 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,960 My name is Tracy Jones, 532 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,320 and I'm Head of Communications here at the National Gallery. 533 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,480 Privileged to work here for 18 years. 534 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,160 One of my favourite paintings here 535 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,960 is Witches At Their Incantations by Salvator Rosa, 536 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,960 and it's tucked away in a slightly dark corner of room 32. 537 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:46,960 Cos it is just so strange, scary, spooky and weird, 538 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,960 and I absolutely love that. 539 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,320 People hanging, people resurrecting corpses, 540 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,960 strange monsters, 541 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,960 people cutting toenails of people hanging in trees. 542 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,960 I can't work out what's going on, 543 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,960 and that's why I absolutely adore it. 544 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,320 You have to really step up close and look at it to get the detail. 545 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,960 It's a very dark painting. 546 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,960 There are brief splashes of colour, 547 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,960 but it's all those different variations of darkness. 548 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,960 This night-time on an Italian hillside, 549 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,960 where these acolytes and witches are gathering 550 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,960 to try and summon Satan. 551 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,960 And that's, I think, what makes it quite exciting. 552 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,320 I like to look at the painting from left to right. 553 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,000 You start with the pair of men exhuming a corpse. 554 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,960 There is a really weird, veiled figure behind 555 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,800 that's holding onto candles. 556 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,960 Then you move into the centre of the painting. 557 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,960 You've got these witches with their cauldrons. 558 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,960 One of them is wringing out a rag. It's probably blood. 559 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,960 And then you get to the corpse hanging in the tree 560 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,960 with this really strange angle of his neck. 561 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:01,960 What's really great about the painting 562 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,960 is the mythical monsters that are in there. 563 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,960 There's this, like, little, squat, froggy-type character 564 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,800 with a red mouth with lots of teeth. 565 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,000 And you think, "Where the hell did he get that idea from?" 566 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,960 That's the whole fascinating thing of this, 567 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,960 is this melting pot of Salvator Rosa's mind 568 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,320 and what was going on around him in Florence at that time. 569 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,160 We're talking the middle of the 17th century. 570 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,960 People were still being tried 571 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,480 and executed for witchcraft at that point. 572 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,960 It was very, very real, 573 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,960 this fear of the devil, of Satan, of witchcraft. 574 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,960 A secret pleasure of mine is I love horror films, 575 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,480 and I'm actually on the committee of a horror film festival. 576 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,960 So, once a year, I sit and watch about 150 short films 577 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,960 and help select the 30 or 40 that go into the festival. 578 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,160 And I think this is why this painting particularly speaks to me 579 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,960 cos you've got all the tropes of a great horror movie 580 00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,960 in this one static image. 581 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:32,960 My name is Rosy Akalawu-Ellman. 582 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,960 I'm currently studying Art History at Cambridge in my first year. 583 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,640 In this country, history of art is kind of presented as something 584 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,960 that's for public schools and private schools, 585 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,320 and it's constantly dismissed as a subject for the elite... 586 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,960 ..when, in reality, it's a really important subject 587 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,960 that empowers people to understand the world around them. 588 00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,960 I saw you having a really, really, good look 589 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,640 about things we noticed. 590 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,960 Would anyone like to share with the rest of the group, 591 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,960 why do the people in the paintings not have clothes? 592 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,960 The National Gallery does a really great job of outreach 593 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,800 to primary schools and secondary schools 594 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,960 and teaching people that this is a space for them. 595 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,960 So, it's not great, the lack of representation on the walls. 596 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,160 There is an issue with the collection not keeping up with us 597 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,000 as we're so rapidly developing, 598 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:32,000 and Britishness becomes a far more complex and multi-layered identity. 599 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,480 There's a lot of scholarship that has been made and is emerging 600 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,640 that we can use to rethink 601 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,960 what the gallery is actually capable of doing, 602 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,960 about the importance of exploring representation within art 603 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,960 and erasing monolithic narratives 604 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,320 of Black people just being slaves and servants. 605 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,960 My favourite painting in the National Gallery 606 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,960 is The Execution Of Lady Jane Grey by Paul Delaroche from 1833. 607 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:12,960 It kind of links back to my little, young Rosy obsession with the Tudors 608 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,320 and fixation on Lady Jane Grey as this nine-day queen. 609 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,960 It's a painting of her execution, 610 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,960 where Bloody Mary came and decided 611 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,640 that it was her time to take her rightful throne. 612 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,320 Lady Jane Grey was 17 when she was murdered. 613 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,640 She spent more time in prison building up to her execution 614 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,320 than her actual time on the throne. 615 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,320 It's the melodrama and the emotional vulnerability of the painting. 616 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,960 Her fingers blindly reaching out for her final moments. 617 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,960 It's her most vulnerable state that she's gonna be at. 618 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,960 One of the things that I always think about 619 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,640 is the fact that she's blindfolded. 620 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,960 And throughout the whole of art history, 621 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,800 there's an obsession with the gaze, especially the female gaze, 622 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,960 in the way that an artist presents it 623 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,960 as, like, an act of submission or a confrontation 624 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,960 and the way that, as a viewer, you're interacting with a gaze, 625 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,960 the emotional connection that you're building with the subject. 626 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,960 And she is gaze-less. She is blindfolded. 627 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,960 You'd expect it to kind of create a distance between you and her, 628 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,960 where you're not able to connect with her, you can't see her eyes. 629 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,960 But, instead, it brings you even further towards her 630 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,960 as you realise that horrible stumbling that she's going through. 631 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,800 It's almost like you're seeing it for her 632 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,160 in a way that she never could. 633 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,960 You're feeling it. 634 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,480 And it's an emotional thing, her lack of vision, 635 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,480 and you're sharing those emotions. 636 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,640 JONATHAN CONLIN: We really owe the magnificent site 637 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:13,960 of the National Gallery 638 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,960 to King George IV's architect John Nash. 639 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,960 In the 1810s, there are very ambitious plans being developed 640 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,960 to reconfigure the Crown Estate lands 641 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,960 to the west and to the north of what's now Trafalgar Square. 642 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,960 John Nash clearly felt that having, as in a sense, started in the north, 643 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,960 there was a need for a grand public space or piazza. 644 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,960 Before the creation of Trafalgar Square, 645 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,960 there were already some fine buildings on the site. 646 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,960 One of them was William Kent's stables, 647 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,960 which had been redeveloped in the 1730s, 648 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,960 a very impressive facade. 649 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,960 And then there was also James Gibbs' St Martin's-in-the-Fields. 650 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,960 The original brief for what became the National Gallery 651 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,960 was to combine room for the Public Record Office, 652 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,160 room for the Royal Academy, room for the National Gallery. 653 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,960 So there was a sense in which they were trying to get 654 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,960 as much as they could out of this really rather thin building 655 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,960 designed by William Wilkins. 656 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,960 After the National Gallery moves into its new building in 1838, 657 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,960 there is this open space which is as yet unnamed in front of it. 658 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,960 And it's only in the mid-1840s 659 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,960 that we see Nelson's Column being created. 660 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,000 If you stand outside the National Gallery, 661 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,960 you can look south over Trafalgar Square 662 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,960 and see the Houses of Parliament. 663 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,800 You also have Canada House, symbol of the British dominions. 664 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,960 If you look the other way, you head down the Strand, 665 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,960 one of the major streets linking the Cities of Westminster 666 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,960 to the City of London. 667 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,960 So it really is the heart of the nation's capital, 668 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,960 indeed the place from which 669 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,960 distances across the kingdom have, for centuries, 670 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,320 before the foundation of the gallery, been measured. 671 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,960 Hello, my name is Claudia Winkleman, 672 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,160 and I read out loud on the television, 673 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,960 but I have a secret love and history with art. 674 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,960 My love of art came from my brilliant dad 675 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,960 who decided that he would bring me 676 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,960 to the National Gallery every weekend. 677 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,960 And the only rule was 678 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,960 that we were only allowed to look at one painting. 679 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,960 And we would stand in front of a painting 680 00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:01,640 and really talk about it - 681 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,000 sometimes for 40 minutes, sometimes for half an hour. 682 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,640 The brilliance of that one painting rule 683 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,960 is it leaves you wanting more. 684 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,960 And I'm now 52, and I've used art as a soother. 685 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:15,960 Some people have a teddy, 686 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,960 some people listen to music, some people go for a walk. 687 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,960 I like coming here and just looking at one piece. 688 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,960 So, the painting I've chosen 689 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,960 is Leonardo da Vinci, and it's Virgin Of The Rocks. 690 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,960 What strikes you first 691 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,640 is the atmosphere of it, the feel of it, 692 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,960 which is otherworldly yet entirely human. 693 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,000 The figures are otherworldly because of who they are. 694 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,960 So they can't look like us, 695 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:57,960 but their expressions are unbelievably human. 696 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,960 I think it's the adoration of the young Jesus, 697 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,960 and he is blessing John the Baptist in return. 698 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,000 And it is a beautiful triangle. 699 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,960 Mary stands over it like the top of the pyramid. 700 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,960 I love her right hand on John the Baptist, 701 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,960 which is firm but also kind. 702 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,960 And she is in the presence of the most beautiful 703 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,960 and most ethereal and serene character in maybe all of art, 704 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:29,960 the Archangel. 705 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:32,960 You're watching a moment. 706 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,640 You're really privileged to be able to see it, 707 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,960 whether you are religious or whether you're not. 708 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,960 Leonardo is the king. 709 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,960 What a brain, what a man. He was desperate for information. 710 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,320 He was curious. His drawings are so beautiful. 711 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,960 And I should come out with it and say I like the big hitters, 712 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,960 and I think that's why I was drawn to him. 713 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,960 What's extraordinary about Leonardo, and I also love this, 714 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,800 is he didn't paint a lot. 715 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,640 But you know it's him when you see it. 716 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,960 And that alone is pretty breathtaking. 717 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,800 I love the fact how it's just so dark. 718 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,960 Look at Mary's face, how much is cast in shadow, 719 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,640 and the angel's face. 720 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,160 And the two children, 721 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,160 you see them perfectly, but it's not cut-out. 722 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,480 It's not crystal clear. 723 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:29,960 Not every piece of fabric or a face is given the same amount of light. 724 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,960 What technique. And it changed the history of art. 725 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:34,960 It's the boldness. 726 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:35,960 I like the fact that he's like, 727 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,960 "Yeah, do you know what? That's just gonna be in shadow. 728 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:39,960 "Deal with that, guys." 729 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,160 Extraordinary in 1508. Revolutionary. 730 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,480 So the fact that it's mysterious is what I love most. 731 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,960 The fifth character in this painting is the landscape. 732 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,960 There are huge spaces on that canvas made up of landscape, 733 00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,960 and that feels brave. 734 00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:01,960 It's like the best writing. 735 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,960 You don't need all the flowery words. 736 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,960 We'll just have that. 737 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,960 So it draws you in. 738 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,960 This is how I feel about beautiful works. 739 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,960 There is an awful lot of chat 740 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,960 about how we feel about the world and ourselves, 741 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,960 a growing obsession with the self, 742 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,960 people endlessly questioning how THEY'RE doing. 743 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,960 But I think the thing you can do 744 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,960 to make yourself feel much better about all kinds of things 745 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,960 is take yourself out of you. 746 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,960 Stand in front of a painting, 747 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,960 and you will breathe a little deeper, 748 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,960 and you will feel a little happier. 749 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,960 There is nothing like standing in front of a work of art. 750 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,960 The minutiae is swept away 751 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,960 when you are faced by true skill and beauty. 752 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:29,960 My name is Stacey Smith, 753 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,960 and I'm a membership and commercial services assistant. 754 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,960 My favourite painting in the National Gallery 755 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,000 is The Ambassadors by Hans Holbein the Younger, 756 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,320 painted in 1533. 757 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:45,960 The first time I saw The Ambassadors, 758 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:46,960 I was with my grandad. 759 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,960 I think I was about 12. 760 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,960 In the middle of the painting was just a big ugly blob, 761 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,960 and I couldn't understand what it was, why it was there 762 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,640 and why someone would paint something so detailed and beautiful 763 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,960 and then do something seemingly so strange. 764 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,960 And then my grandad took hold of me 765 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,960 and just dragged me all the way round to the right. 766 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,960 And I was like, "It's not a blob, it's a skull." 767 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,960 And it just popped out. 768 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,960 I remember, I look around the room, 769 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,000 and other people were looking at the painting straight on, and I'm like, 770 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,160 "Oh, my God, I know something you don't. 771 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,960 "I see something you can't see right now." 772 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,480 And it was the most thrilling moment. 773 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,800 I didn't see the painting again until I started working here, 774 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,320 and I have learned a lot about it 775 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,000 in the years since seeing it with my grandad. 776 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,640 Hans Holbein the Younger, at the time, 777 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,960 was the court painter to Henry VIII. 778 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,960 The whole reason for this painting is a message to the King of France 779 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,160 that there was religious strife in England 780 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,960 because Henry had separated from Catherine of Aragon 781 00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:58,960 and married Anne Boleyn. 782 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,960 And in doing so, he had declared himself 783 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,960 the head of the Church of England. 784 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,960 He has painted two men. 785 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,960 On the left is Jean de Dinteville, who was the French ambassador. 786 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,320 And on the right is Georges de Selve, 787 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:19,800 the Bishop of Lavaur, who was a very good friend of Jean. 788 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,960 Jean could not write to the King of France 789 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:22,960 and tell him what was happening 790 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,960 because his correspondence was being opened and read. 791 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,960 So he had to figure a way around it, and this painting is how he did it. 792 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,800 One of my favourite ways to describe the painting is like an escape room. 793 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,000 There are clues that can unlock it, and each clue unlocks the next. 794 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,480 I think Holbein included the crucifix in the top left 795 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,960 as a signal that spiritual difficulties were being revealed. 796 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,960 And there is a lute that has a broken string, 797 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,960 to signify discord. 798 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,960 The music that is in the book cannot be played 799 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,960 because the string that would play that note is broken, 800 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,960 and the note appears several times, 801 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,800 so it would become immediately obvious 802 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,160 to anyone who could play music. 803 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,960 The attention to detail in the clothes is just absolutely stunning. 804 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,960 I could put my face into that fur on his coat 805 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,960 and know exactly how it feels on my cheeks. 806 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,960 Jean's motto was "memento mori". 807 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,960 Remember, one day you will die. 808 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,960 And the skull was a way of including that motto. 809 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,960 The reason this is my favourite painting 810 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,000 is because it is a painting my granddad and I bonded over. 811 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,960 When I come here, it's like he never left, 812 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,960 he never passed away. 813 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,320 And if I stand, and I look at my blob... 814 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,960 ..it's like he's right behind me again. 815 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,960 JONATHAN CONLIN: One of the exciting things about the National Gallery 816 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,960 is, I think, when it was first created, 817 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,480 it was such a novel idea to have a collection created and housed 818 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,480 at the expense of all taxpayers 819 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,960 that when it opened its doors in 1824, 820 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,960 I really think the trustees had no idea who was gonna show up. 821 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,960 They wanted it to be open for free to everyone, 822 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,160 as the British Museum had been. 823 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,480 This is the time when there's a good deal 824 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,960 of hunger and political unrest. 825 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,160 So there really was a great fear 826 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,960 that the public might attack the paintings on display. 827 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,480 There was therefore a great deal of relief 828 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,960 that not only that lots of people were visiting 829 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,960 who were not just of the elite, 830 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,320 but that those members of the middle class and some working class 831 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,960 were recognising that these paintings 832 00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,960 were their property in a sense as well. 833 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:03,160 And certainly, when we look at guides to the National Gallery 834 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,960 provided for the working class, 835 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,960 there's a strong emphasis on going there in your own free time 836 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,960 to educate yourself and to improve yourself. 837 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,960 But it's only really in the mid to late 19th century 838 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,800 that something that we might call art history, 839 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,960 to understand how styles or how tastes 840 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,960 or how human creativity has evolved over time. 841 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,960 That really wasn't there in the early decades. 842 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,960 For artists, the National Gallery was a particularly precious resource 843 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,960 in that it was a place where they could go 844 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,960 and copy original works after the great masters. 845 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,960 That, I think, changes by the late 19th century, 846 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,960 where the copyists are really producing copies 847 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,960 of popular paintings for people to hang on their walls. 848 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,960 We know the most copied painting in the late 19th century 849 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,320 was Dignity And Impudence by Edwin Landseer, 850 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,960 which is now in Tate Britain, 851 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,960 which was, among a large proportion of the National Gallery's public, 852 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,960 the most important painting, the most popular painting. 853 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,960 I'm Gracie Divall, 854 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,800 and I was an exhibitions manager for National Touring. 855 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,960 It's about getting these amazing paintings 856 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,960 that belong to absolutely everybody in the entirety of the UK 857 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,800 out of London and making them accessible 858 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,960 all across the United Kingdom for people to come and enjoy. 859 00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,960 My favourite artwork in the National Gallery's collection 860 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:01,960 is Artemisia Gentileschi's 861 00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,160 Self-Portrait As Saint Catherine Of Alexandria, 862 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,960 and it was the very first artwork 863 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,960 that we took out on a National Gallery Visits tour. 864 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,160 This painting is really special to me, 865 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,160 partly because it is one of only 21 artworks by a female artist 866 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,960 in the National Gallery's collection. 867 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,160 It's not for a lack of wanting to collect work by women 868 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,960 that the gallery is so poor in these artworks. 869 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,960 But in the collecting period, you know, of going up to 1910, 870 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,160 women were not given these opportunities, 871 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,960 and women were not able to be artists in this way. 872 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,960 So for there to be these artworks 873 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,000 by women who completely broke the mould, 874 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,960 who had this passion and this drive, 875 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,960 and they were able to do things 876 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,960 that they might not have been supported to do, 877 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,960 it's just absolutely fantastic. 878 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,960 Although this is a self-portrait, 879 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,960 Artemisia has painted herself as Saint Catherine, 880 00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,960 who was a young Christian girl put to death at the age of 18. 881 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,960 But when they went to put Catherine to death, 882 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,960 they strapped her to a Catherine wheel, the torture device. 883 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,960 And when they strapped her to it, the wheel broke, 884 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,960 and so they had to move forward and behead her instead. 885 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,480 Saint Catherine was made then a saint by Joan of Arc. 886 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,960 So Artemesia is presenting herself as this resilient woman. 887 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:23,960 She's being someone else, 888 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,960 but there's so much of sort of her back story 889 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,640 that parallels this idea of a woman breaking the mould, 890 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,960 of a woman standing up for what she believes in. 891 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,960 We know of Artemisia as this amazing artist, 892 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,960 but she also overcame great adversity. 893 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,960 Aged 17, she was raped by a friend of her father's, 894 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,960 and really unusually for the time, this was taken to court. 895 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,960 During the court case, she was tortured 896 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,960 to try and get her to say that she was not telling the truth. 897 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,000 She still stuck completely to her story. 898 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,960 And her rapist was convicted, but not of rape, 899 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,960 but of deflowering of property of her father. 900 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,960 But throughout all of this, she carried on painting, 901 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,960 and she believed in herself as a person and as a painter. 902 01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,960 And that sort of resilience really comes through 903 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,160 in her artwork as well. 904 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,960 She's looking directly at us. 905 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,960 In some ways, it's quite a defiant glance. 906 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,480 She's present. It's not a demure woman. 907 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,960 It is somebody who is ready to engage with us. 908 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,960 That could be my friend Artemisia. 909 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,960 And we did, we've travelled the country together, 910 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,960 meeting different people everywhere we've gone. 911 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:44,960 We placed her in a GP surgery, in a school and into libraries. 912 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:45,960 And there we were able to tell 913 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,960 completely different stories about this artwork, 914 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,960 as a saint, as a resilient woman 915 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,320 who did things at a time that no other woman could, 916 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,480 as a woman who'd been let down by a justice system, 917 01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,960 who had confidence in her own ability 918 01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:01,960 and how she can really inspire people today. 919 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,960 One of the most unique places that we took Artemisia 920 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,960 was to a women's prison. 921 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,480 And it was absolutely amazing to see this artwork there 922 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,960 and to see the inmates interact with this artwork 923 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,640 and be inspired by Artemisia's story. 924 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,960 One of the comments that has stayed with me forever is a woman saying, 925 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,960 "I'd like to say sorry to Artemisia that so little has changed, 926 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,800 "that women still don't have the opportunities." 927 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,960 And her story, 400 years later, 928 01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,960 was still so poignant to these women. 929 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,960 That is just something that art can do. 930 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,960 It can bring us together across those time gaps. 931 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,960 I really think the women there were so inspired, 932 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,800 and hopefully they will carry 933 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,960 a little bit of that resilience with them. 934 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,960 I'm Terry Gilliam. 935 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,960 I'm a film director, but before I was a film director, 936 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,960 I was the animator on Monty Python's Flying Circus. 937 01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:57,960 MUSIC: 'The Liberty Bell' 938 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:17,960 Back in '69, when Python began, I was here quite often. 939 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,960 I mean, at least every couple of weeks, I think, 940 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,480 because I was always desperate for inspiration 941 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:25,960 for things I could steal. 942 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,640 If I found a character that I wanted to use, 943 01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:30,960 I would go down to the gift shop 944 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,320 and buy, hopefully, a poster or a book with them in 945 01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:40,320 and then photograph it, blow it up, manipulate it in my own way, 946 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,160 and, bingo, off we went. 947 01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,960 My favourite painting in the gallery 948 01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:52,960 is Bronzino's Allegory Of Venus, Cupid And Folly. 949 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,960 It became very quickly the Python foot 950 01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,960 right from the moment I first saw the painting. 951 01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:02,960 My eyes drifted down to that bottom left corner, 952 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,640 and the little dove, 953 01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,960 and the foot is about to crush it, it looked like to me. 954 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,960 But I thought it's a great punctuation for my animations 955 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,640 to bring to a halt whatever was going on. Boom! 956 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,960 And I love the idea that the foot belonged to Cupid, to love. 957 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,960 And what a better way to be crushed, than by love. 958 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,960 The painting itself just pops, 959 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:32,480 and it pops with a great, beautiful naked woman. 960 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:37,960 You realise, "Wait, this is not a normal nude painting." 961 01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:42,960 Most of them are lying gracefully and languorously, beautifully. 962 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,160 This, there's action going on there. 963 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:51,960 Then you realise the little boy is Cupid and she is Venus. 964 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,320 This is son and mother. 965 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,960 This is very strange, what's happening here. 966 01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,960 And I think it's very erotic. 967 01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:02,960 I had to become older before I realised 968 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,960 that "venereal disease" comes from "Venus", 969 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,960 it's all based on her. 970 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,960 And that's what this painting is also about. 971 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,960 Syphilis was ravaging Europe. 972 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,960 What Bronzino is doing is playing a kind of a game, 973 01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,960 a little puzzle, a riddle. 974 01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,960 What is going on? Because everything there means something. 975 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,960 Venus is love, the goddess of love. 976 01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,960 Cupid, I suppose, is the messenger of love. 977 01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,960 Then there's this lovely face. 978 01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,960 And she's offering honeycomb in one hand, 979 01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,640 and the other hand is holding her scorpion sting. 980 01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,960 It's like, "OK, I'm here, aren't I sweet? But watch out." 981 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,960 And that is syphilis. 982 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,960 In fact, medically, it's quite accurate. 983 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,320 Teeth are falling out, the knuckles are enlarged, 984 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,960 which is what syphilis does. 985 01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,960 Now, the question is, has she got Cupid's arrow 986 01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,960 to stop him from spreading her disease? 987 01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,960 He spreads love with shooting his arrow 988 01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,960 into the hearts of young couples. 989 01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,960 So that's the thing. 990 01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,960 Is this a warning about the dangers of syphilis? 991 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,640 Everything is hinted at. 992 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,000 And I think that's a very special, unique painting. 993 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,000 I'd like to be able to make cartoons that look as good as that. 994 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,960 CHUCKLES 995 01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,960 In World War II, most museums in Britain 996 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,960 simply evacuated the collection, usually to a Welsh slate mine, 997 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,960 and closed their doors. 998 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,960 The National Gallery is one important exception to that. 999 01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,960 The then director, Kenneth Clark, 1000 01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,960 enthusiastically welcomed a suggestion 1001 01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,160 by someone who wrote in to the editor of The Times, 1002 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,960 proposing that a then recently acquired Rembrandt 1003 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,960 be temporarily placed on display at Trafalgar Square 1004 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,960 so that the people could admire 1005 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,960 their latest addition to their collection. 1006 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,960 And, as a result of that, the so-called "one picture shows" began, 1007 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,960 in which every two months, 1008 01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,960 two paintings would be sent down from the Welsh slate mine, 1009 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,800 where the collection had been evacuated, 1010 01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,960 and one work a month was put on show. 1011 01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,480 Every time there was an air raid warning, 1012 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,960 the painting would be taken off the wall 1013 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,960 and rushed downstairs to a special safe 1014 01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,960 where it would be protected in case the gallery was bombed. 1015 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,960 And at the same time, 1016 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,960 Myra Hess had organised a series of free lunchtime concerts. 1017 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,960 PIANO MUSIC PLAYS 1018 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,160 So the rest of the gallery already, in a sense, 1019 01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,960 had a captive audience - people who were starved of concerts 1020 01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,960 because the musical life of the nation had also come to a halt. 1021 01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,960 So the National Gallery became the one place 1022 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:31,960 where, as it were, the guttering flame of culture was still burning. 1023 01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,800 And so many of the thousands who came to the concert 1024 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,640 would also admire the one work of art that was on display. 1025 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,960 I am Eugenie, and I work at Hauser & Wirth, 1026 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,960 a contemporary gallery in London. 1027 01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,960 I did art at school. I always wanted to be an artist. 1028 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,800 I remember going to the National Gallery 1029 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,960 and just sitting and drawing, and now when I go around a gallery, 1030 01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,960 I see all the young people doing that, 1031 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,640 and I'm like, "I used to do that." 1032 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,640 And I wish I could find my drawings from those moments 1033 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,960 where I was a student right in the front, 1034 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,960 studying and looking and learning all about history in art. 1035 01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,960 I found myself in rooms in the National Gallery 1036 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,960 with all these stories and all these artists 1037 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,960 who put a piece of themselves out there 1038 01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,800 and a piece of history and a bit of life. 1039 01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,960 But you don't need to have learnt the history of art 1040 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,640 to understand art. 1041 01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,960 Art can be anything. Art can mean anything to you. 1042 01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,800 Like the painting we're gonna talk about. 1043 01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,960 It means something to me because of where I am in my life now. 1044 01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,960 I've chosen Correggio, Madonna Of The Basket, 1045 01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,960 and it's from 1524. 1046 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,960 Madonna and child has been painted a million times 1047 01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,960 and we've seen it everywhere. 1048 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:18,480 This one stuck out to me 1049 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:22,960 because of the very relaxed and ethereal nature 1050 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,160 of this beautiful mother-and-child bond. 1051 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,960 I see a lot of similarities with this and my life. 1052 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,480 I've just had a second child, and my little baby's ten months. 1053 01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:37,480 Correggio is painting a very domestic scene. 1054 01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:40,160 This is a normal domestic family. 1055 01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,960 It's something so personal and so beautiful 1056 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,000 to see them like this rather than in opulence 1057 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:51,960 or really heralded as these figures that transcend history. 1058 01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,960 She's just looking after her child, 1059 01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,960 and she's struggling like a mum would, putting on his little jacket. 1060 01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,960 And I know how that feels. 1061 01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,960 He looks like he's about to take on the enormity of his task 1062 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:08,000 with his hand and his gestures, but he's also with his mummy. 1063 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:12,960 At this moment, it's a mum having put down her tools in the basket 1064 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,640 and picked up her baby. 1065 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,960 She's laid down her job for a minute to look after her baby 1066 01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,960 and I think, looking at this now, 1067 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,960 it's like women, they have babies, they go to work. 1068 01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,960 She's kind of representing that, but in 1524. 1069 01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,960 I think it's interesting to note Joseph, 1070 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,960 sort of in the shadows in the background, 1071 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,960 and she's the protagonist, 1072 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,480 and she's always been the protagonist. 1073 01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:43,960 This painting is a very intimate, very beautiful moment 1074 01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,960 before the world overtook Jesus and everything that went on. 1075 01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,960 So it resonated with me in that sense. 1076 01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,640 It's just incredible to understand 1077 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,640 that this painter did this painting all those years ago, 1078 01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,800 and now it stands in front of us, 1079 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,960 and who knows the journey it's been on and how it got to us. 1080 01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,960 But it's here, and we are able to admire it. 1081 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:32,640 I'm Gabriele Finaldi, and I'm the director of the National Gallery. 1082 01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,960 My favourite painting in the National Gallery 1083 01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,960 is Bartolome Bermejo's Saint Michael Triumphant Over The Devil. 1084 01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:43,960 It was painted in 1468. 1085 01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:52,960 The opportunity arose to acquire it in the mid-1990s, 1086 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,960 and it was the first really significant 1087 01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,960 medieval, Early Renaissance Spanish picture that entered the collection. 1088 01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,960 It's a scene showing Saint Michael, 1089 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,960 this sort of dancing, beautifully lithe and elegant angel, 1090 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,960 with these multicoloured wings spread open, 1091 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,960 and he's about to strike this demon. 1092 01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:18,960 Also, you have the donor of the painting, 1093 01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,960 that's the person who has basically paid for the picture. 1094 01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:27,960 He's Antoni Joan. He's a wealthy military leader. 1095 01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,960 And he's the lord of a little town called Tous, 1096 01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,960 which is where the picture comes from. 1097 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,960 He's at prayer. 1098 01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,960 And Bermejo has worked very, very carefully 1099 01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,960 so that we can actually see what it is he's praying. 1100 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:42,960 They're penitential psalms. 1101 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,960 And clearly, Antoni Joan is thinking about what's going to happen 1102 01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,960 at the end of his earthly life. 1103 01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:52,480 And he's turning to Saint Michael, who will offer him protection. 1104 01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,960 Bermejo wants to represent the devil 1105 01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,000 in as terrifying a way as he possibly can. 1106 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,960 It's very difficult for us to put ourselves 1107 01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,480 into the mind of the 15th century. 1108 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:07,960 There's no electric light, so when darkness comes, 1109 01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,800 darkness can be very frightening, 1110 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,960 and you live in a town where there are wild animals, 1111 01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:15,480 there are wolves, there are bears. 1112 01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:19,000 Life outside of the warmth of the centre of the village 1113 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,640 can be very terrifying. 1114 01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,480 People saw a lot of dark forces at work in the natural world. 1115 01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:29,960 So what Bermejo does is he brings together several elements. 1116 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,160 The teeth of a wolf, the wings of a bat, 1117 01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,640 which sort of mix up with the wings of a butterfly. 1118 01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:41,960 There are snakes. The big glowing eyes. 1119 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,960 All this is brought together to create a sort of chimera. 1120 01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:49,960 I think there's a glamour to the way the picture is painted. 1121 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:54,960 I think anyone can appreciate the extraordinary invention, 1122 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,960 the enormous technical skill. 1123 01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,160 I mean, if you look at the way he does the gilding 1124 01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:00,960 and the toolwork on the gilding, 1125 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:06,640 the way he represents reflections on the surface of the armour. 1126 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,960 And if you particularly look at the breastplate, 1127 01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:10,960 you'll see that there are areas 1128 01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,960 where the pearls are reflected on the breastplate itself. 1129 01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,960 But also, you'll see a reflection of a city. 1130 01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:22,960 It's very likely a reflection of the heavenly Jerusalem, 1131 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,960 of which Saint Michael is the sort of guardian. 1132 01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,960 So there's an element to the narrative there 1133 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,480 that the artist has very skilfully introduced 1134 01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:33,960 into the representation of the armour. 1135 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:39,320 That ability to represent shine and reflection 1136 01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,960 in a way which is totally convincing, 1137 01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:43,960 but also to use it to say something 1138 01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:48,800 about the sort of divine subject matter, is absolutely brilliant. 1139 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,000 And you think, "Goodness, this painting is, 1140 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,640 "you know, nearly 600 years old." 1141 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:57,480 It is astonishing that across time, these works can still appeal to us. 1142 01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:00,960 They can still mesmerise us, they seduce us. 1143 01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:02,960 We want to know more. 1144 01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,960 When you look at the presentation of the collection, 1145 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,960 people often think it's relatively static, 1146 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,960 and it's not static at all. 1147 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,960 It changes all the time. 1148 01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:36,320 And often, it's around how you can best engage with the art. 1149 01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,960 All of those changes, I think, over the years 1150 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,960 have been about how do they balance 1151 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,960 the art historical narrative of the whole gallery 1152 01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,320 with the experience that you might want to have 1153 01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,480 with an individual artwork. 1154 01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:53,160 Originally, the National Gallery was organised by school. 1155 01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,960 So the idea was there would be a section of the building 1156 01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:56,960 for the British School, 1157 01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,800 starting with the early works, ending with Turner. 1158 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:00,960 You then, as it were, jump back 1159 01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,000 by moving into the start of the French School, 1160 01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,960 through to the impressionists and postimpressionists. 1161 01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:10,960 Then you would enter the Dutch School, again jumping back in time. 1162 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,800 That really changes under Neil MacGregor in the 1990s. 1163 01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:18,480 It became much more about bringing different European schools together 1164 01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:22,960 so that you would have all the works from the Early Renaissance, 1165 01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:24,960 whether they were produced north of the Alps 1166 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,480 or south of the Alps, displayed together. 1167 01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:28,960 The other big change that there has been 1168 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,960 is in the way the signals, the cues, 1169 01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,960 that the decor and the layout of the institution 1170 01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,960 is giving you on how the pictures are to be enjoyed. 1171 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:41,960 In the 1960s and '70s, 1172 01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,960 there was a real turn away from the Victorian idea 1173 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,960 of the National Gallery as a palace. 1174 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,640 And we see the very high ceilings 1175 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,960 having suspended ceilings placed in there 1176 01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,960 or, indeed, having buttresses 1177 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:59,960 visually divide up a large gallery into a series of smaller spaces. 1178 01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:04,960 So the thinking here was, really, that experiencing a work of art 1179 01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,960 was quite an intimate, personal experience, 1180 01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,960 that visitors needed to be given quiet spaces 1181 01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,480 where footfall was muted. 1182 01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:15,960 Under Neil MacGregor it became much more an idea 1183 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,960 of visiting as a social activity, 1184 01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:22,320 that we should be aware that even when we're enjoying the work of art, 1185 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,960 that we are doing so as member of a public. 1186 01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,960 And certainly, that's involved bringing back a lot of the marble 1187 01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,960 and the more magnificent spaces 1188 01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:33,960 that have now led some - 1189 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,960 and this is a pendulum that will swing forever, I think - 1190 01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,320 to argue that it's too intimidating a space for people 1191 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,960 who will never otherwise encounter 1192 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,960 an environment quite as apparently opulent and perhaps alienating 1193 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,960 as this revived Victorian splendour. 1194 01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,960 People were coming into the gallery space, 1195 01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,960 they were not seeing a reflection of their lives. 1196 01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,160 What they were seeing was a reflection 1197 01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,960 of the lives of the elite. 1198 01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:07,960 However, I think what we are trying to do now is trying to say, 1199 01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,960 "Well, actually, though, there are different stories that can be told 1200 01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,160 "around these paintings," 1201 01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:16,960 not necessarily one version of this history. 1202 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,320 'My name is Fiona Alderton. 1203 01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,960 'I am a gallery educator and storyteller 1204 01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,320 'here at the National Gallery. 1205 01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:39,960 'I work in the learning department with all audiences, 1206 01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:41,960 'from very small children, 1207 01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,960 'right up to delivering talks and lectures 1208 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,960 'for the public programme.' 1209 01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:52,800 As educators, we want people to find their way 1210 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,960 as well as giving them information about a painting. 1211 01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,320 But it's really important that people inform their own ideas 1212 01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:00,960 of what the painting might be about. 1213 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,960 Does anyone have any thoughts as to who that might be? 1214 01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,800 CROWD MEMBER: Diana? Diana. And who was Diana? 1215 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,960 'You walk into a gallery space, you can look at something, 1216 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,960 'and it really is about how something makes you feel. 1217 01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,320 'You may never have seen it before.' 1218 01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:17,960 You might know nothing about the artist or the time it was painted, 1219 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,800 but something about that painting speaks to you, 1220 01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:21,960 and that's really powerful. 1221 01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:28,960 My favourite painting in the National Gallery 1222 01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:33,960 is a work by French artist Elisabeth-Louise Vigee Le Brun. 1223 01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:39,960 It was painted in 1782, and it is called Self Portrait In A Straw Hat. 1224 01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:48,960 I think it was really just looking at her expression, at her face, 1225 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,960 the way that she's looking out to us, the viewer. 1226 01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:53,960 And there was really something about that 1227 01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:55,480 that really just drew me in. 1228 01:20:55,480 --> 01:20:58,000 I just wanted to know more and more 1229 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,640 about who she was and why she painted it. 1230 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:07,960 Vigee Le Brun was born in 1752, in Paris. 1231 01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:09,960 Her father was a painter, 1232 01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,960 and he really encouraged her to draw and to paint. 1233 01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,320 She was painting herself 1234 01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,960 because she's wanting to perhaps market herself. 1235 01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,160 She starts getting a name for herself at quite a young age, 1236 01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:27,960 and she does come into the realm of the courts of Marie Antoinette, 1237 01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:29,480 the Queen at the time. 1238 01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:33,960 And she creates around 30 portraits of the Queen and her children. 1239 01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,480 We have to think about the context of this, the time, 1240 01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:37,960 this is pre-French Revolution. 1241 01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,800 So part of Vigee Le Brun's task 1242 01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,960 was to really think about softening the image of the Queen 1243 01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,960 for the public there. 1244 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,960 Because she's so involved with the court, 1245 01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:50,960 with the queen, et cetera, 1246 01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,960 she really is a bit of a target for the revolutionaries. 1247 01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,960 And she managed to flee France 1248 01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,960 before the King and Queen are hauled off to be executed. 1249 01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,960 She's in exile for 12 years. 1250 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:07,960 She's travelling around, and her reputation really has preceded her. 1251 01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:13,960 When we think back to other periods, women were creating art, 1252 01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:18,960 but they were excluded from, perhaps, creating the big history 1253 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,960 or mythological or religious paintings 1254 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,960 because they were excluded 1255 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,960 from going to life drawing classes, for example. 1256 01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,960 So then women were painting still life paintings, 1257 01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,960 or perhaps portraiture, and then maybe using themselves, 1258 01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,960 as Vigee le Brun does, as a model herself. 1259 01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,000 She's looking out to us. 1260 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,960 She really wants to engage with the viewer. 1261 01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,960 And she absolutely is telling us that not only is she a woman, 1262 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,960 but she's also an artist, quite literally. 1263 01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:50,960 She's holding her palette, 1264 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,960 and she's holding her brushes in her hand. 1265 01:22:55,480 --> 01:22:56,960 I think when people walk in 1266 01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:58,960 and they might notice some of the bigger paintings, 1267 01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,160 or they're looking at perhaps the seascapes, 1268 01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,960 and they move on because I think they just look at it and think, 1269 01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:04,960 "Yes, a beautiful woman." 1270 01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,960 They don't even have any thought about the fact 1271 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:08,960 that she may have painted it herself. 1272 01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,960 And you start giving that little bit of story 1273 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,960 about her as a woman, as an artist, 1274 01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,960 people are really keen to look her up further 1275 01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,960 or to find out where her other paintings are. 1276 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,960 She's absolutely one of my favourite artists. 1277 01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,960 I'm Robert Raynard. 1278 01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:09,960 I'm a visitor assistant at the National Gallery. 1279 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,800 My favourite painting is 1280 01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,960 A Girl At A Window by Louis-Leopold Boilly. 1281 01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,800 It was made in 1799. 1282 01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,960 The first time I saw A Girl At A Window, 1283 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,960 it was my very first day 1284 01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,960 as a visitor assistant at the gallery. 1285 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,960 I was struck by the colours, or the lack of colours. 1286 01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,960 I was unsure whether I was looking at 1287 01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,960 a black and white painting or a print. 1288 01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,960 I still find the character quite powerful, 1289 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:48,960 in the sense that I don't know what's on her mind. 1290 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,800 I don't know how she's feeling. 1291 01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:54,960 Sad, upset or curious. 1292 01:24:54,960 --> 01:25:01,960 I also find her slightly unsettling because she does not really smile. 1293 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,960 There are many questions that we can ask. 1294 01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:11,640 Do the characters and the fish and the bird echo one another? 1295 01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:18,160 The fish in a small bowl, trapped, caught in this limited environment. 1296 01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:19,960 And the birds? 1297 01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,960 I'm not sure whether it's one or two birds. 1298 01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,960 If there's two, the other one is in the shadow. 1299 01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,960 The boy also seems to be in the shadow. 1300 01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,960 So possibly an echo of the bird. 1301 01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:39,960 It seems to me that they could all be prisoners in their own space 1302 01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,960 and may be eager to get out of this space. 1303 01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:52,640 This is my favourite painting because it makes me ask questions 1304 01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,960 and discover a new world in art. 1305 01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:40,000 One question we have today when we live so much of our lives online 1306 01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:43,160 is to imagine if we were given the brief 1307 01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,960 that the founding generation of trustees and parliamentarians had 1308 01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,320 to bring together great works of art 1309 01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,960 and share them with as wide an audience as possible, 1310 01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:54,960 would we even build a building? 1311 01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,960 Might we go straight to building a website 1312 01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,960 or some other interactive virtual space? 1313 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,960 However, it's not a substitute 1314 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,960 for the actual experience of works of art. 1315 01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:07,960 It's really a way in which people can be primed, 1316 01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:11,640 can become curious about the experience of encounter 1317 01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,480 with a real work of art. 1318 01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:16,960 I certainly think while we do spend a lot of our times 1319 01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:18,960 in virtual spaces, 1320 01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,160 there's a greater emphasis now on experiences. 1321 01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,960 I think we recognise that the kind of authenticity, 1322 01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:29,000 the kind of intensity that we demand from those experiences 1323 01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,960 is something that artificial worlds and digital worlds 1324 01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,960 can't fully provide. 1325 01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:05,960 My name is Jacqueline Wilson, and I write children's books. 1326 01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:07,960 I've written over 100 books. 1327 01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:11,960 I absolutely love the National Gallery. 1328 01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,960 I first went there as a very little girl. 1329 01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,960 My dad took me on a day trip, 1330 01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,960 and we looked mostly at the Canalettos. 1331 01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,960 And I think that was because he'd been a draughtsman, 1332 01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,960 and he rather liked the detail of the buildings. 1333 01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,960 Later on, when I was in my early teens, 1334 01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,640 I had a unfortunate accident with my front teeth 1335 01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,960 and I had to keep going to the Royal Hospital of Dentists, 1336 01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:39,960 which was in Leicester Square. 1337 01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,960 And so I thought, "I'll go over the road to the National Gallery 1338 01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:48,000 "and just wander round and look at some paintings for comfort." 1339 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:51,960 And I adored the impressionists 1340 01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,960 because, you know, what could be easier, 1341 01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,960 more pleasant, so bright colours? 1342 01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:02,960 I've chosen The Umbrellas by Pierre-Auguste Renoir, 1343 01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,160 painted in the 1880s. 1344 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:12,960 I love that era because women are becoming more able to see 1345 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,320 that there are other things to do in life 1346 01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:17,960 other than be the angel of the house, 1347 01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,960 or mother's grown-up, dutiful daughter. 1348 01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:23,480 I loved the fashion. 1349 01:29:23,480 --> 01:29:27,960 I loved the expressions on people's faces. 1350 01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,960 I liked the pattern of the umbrellas. 1351 01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,320 It was just a joyful painting, 1352 01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,960 but it seemed to be telling me a story. 1353 01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:41,960 The young woman without the umbrella is staring out, 1354 01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:43,960 and she's got this expression on her face. 1355 01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,960 It's mysterious, as if she's got a secret. 1356 01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:51,960 And as if you, the viewer, are going to be let in on it. 1357 01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,960 I do like there to be a strong narrative in a painting, 1358 01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,640 and, if there isn't one, I make it up. 1359 01:29:59,960 --> 01:30:03,960 I thought everybody else seems quite intent 1360 01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,960 on putting their umbrellas up or being under their umbrellas. 1361 01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,960 And then I imagined a gale. 1362 01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,960 The wind actually starts lifting under their umbrellas, 1363 01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,960 and then they all fly away over the rooftops of Paris. 1364 01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,480 And the girl is left with the viewer 1365 01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:23,960 sort of smiling at each other, you know, completely safe. 1366 01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:29,960 I certainly feel that this working-class young woman 1367 01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,960 is the one I identify with, 1368 01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:34,000 and interestingly for me, 1369 01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,000 I see that she's got wonderful sort of dark red hair. 1370 01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:43,960 Perhaps a little tiny snapshot of this woman stayed inside my head 1371 01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:48,960 till many, many, many years later, I invented my Hetty Feather, 1372 01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:53,160 who was a girl of a similar social status. 1373 01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:55,800 And it's hard to identify 1374 01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,960 with the posh little girls, all prettied up. 1375 01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:02,960 I think if you're a girl like this one, you have far more fun. 1376 01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,960 I know there's a whole movement against Renoir. 1377 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,960 And I found a quote that he said, 1378 01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:17,960 when accused of painting rather luscious young nudes or whatever, 1379 01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:19,960 he's saying, "I like pretty things. 1380 01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:22,000 "Why shouldn't I paint pretty things?" 1381 01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,480 And, yeah, I agree. Why not? 1382 01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:07,960 I'm Peter Murphy. I'm currently a piano teacher. 1383 01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,960 I used to be a television producer, 1384 01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,960 but then I got a dreadful drug habit, 1385 01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:14,960 and that changed my life dramatically. 1386 01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,640 I'm passionate about coming to the National Gallery, 1387 01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,480 and looking at pictures played a huge part 1388 01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:22,960 in my recovery from addiction. 1389 01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:24,960 There's nothing more exciting 1390 01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:28,960 than walking into this extraordinary space, 1391 01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:30,000 and it's something I didn't understand 1392 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,960 when I first started coming to galleries 1393 01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,640 and realising that there was this secret world 1394 01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,160 that I could come and discover for myself. 1395 01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:39,960 You don't need to be posh. 1396 01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:43,960 You don't need to be highly educated and bookish. 1397 01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:46,960 These pictures are ravishing. They're gorgeous. 1398 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,960 The painting that has most significance for me 1399 01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,960 is Bellini's Madonna Of The Meadow. 1400 01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,960 Painted around 1500 to 1505. 1401 01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:03,480 And it's the most lovely picture of a mother and a child 1402 01:33:03,480 --> 01:33:04,960 sitting in a field 1403 01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:09,960 in a translucent spring morning and a lovely landscape behind it. 1404 01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:12,960 I'll never forget the first time I encountered 1405 01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:14,640 the Madonna Of The Meadow. 1406 01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,960 I had finally faced up to the fact 1407 01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,960 that I was in big trouble with drugs and I couldn't stop. 1408 01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:27,960 And I went to my first Narcotics Anonymous meeting 1409 01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,960 and after the meeting, I was completely confused, emotional, 1410 01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,960 and I found myself here, at the National Gallery. 1411 01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:38,960 I was drawn to this Bellini. 1412 01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,960 And I stood in front of this picture, 1413 01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,000 and it was the oddest sensation. 1414 01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:46,320 I was so struck 1415 01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:50,960 by the sheer enormous stature of this woman. 1416 01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:54,960 She towers over the baby. She towers over the landscape. 1417 01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:57,960 The first thing you notice is this pyramid shape 1418 01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:02,960 that the Madonna makes, and a pyramid is very stable. 1419 01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,320 I was really intrigued. 1420 01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,320 I couldn't get the picture out of my mind, 1421 01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,960 and I thought, "Am I going mad?" 1422 01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:13,960 Is it something to do with the drugs, coming off the drugs? 1423 01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:15,960 But I knew there was a meaning. 1424 01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:20,480 And the more I looked, the more it gave up its secrets. 1425 01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:24,960 I was deeply touched by the tilt of her head. 1426 01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,480 She's holding her hands like this. 1427 01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:28,960 And it's almost like prayer, 1428 01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,000 but she looks like she's holding the baby's head. 1429 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:36,960 And I suddenly realised, she's holding the baby's mind. 1430 01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,960 And I knew this was a picture of secure attachment 1431 01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,320 between a mother and a baby. 1432 01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,640 The attachment that means that you can develop, 1433 01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:47,960 you can grow up, you can be anything, 1434 01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:48,960 if you're safe and loved. 1435 01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:53,960 That baby lying in her lap was safe and loved. 1436 01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,960 It really began to dawn on me that that was something I never had. 1437 01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:04,960 I'm the eldest of four children, and my mother couldn't mother. 1438 01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:06,960 She gave me to her sister. 1439 01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:10,960 I was brought up by my aunt for the first years, 1440 01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,800 and I was always very confused as to who my mother was. 1441 01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:15,960 I've never felt loved, 1442 01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,960 and it was seeing this vital connection 1443 01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,960 painted all those centuries ago. 1444 01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:24,320 I stood in front of the picture and I cried. 1445 01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,960 I was so ashamed at having got into trouble with drugs. 1446 01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:32,960 And I realised, looking at the picture, that I wasn't bad. 1447 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:34,320 It wasn't my fault. 1448 01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,960 And I think that's the amazing thing about pictures. 1449 01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:41,640 That's a religious painting, but for me, it was a human painting. 1450 01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,960 I am fascinated that the painting 1451 01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:50,960 can speak to me so personally after all these years. 1452 01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,960 I don't think Bellini 1453 01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:57,160 could have been that different from us, people then, 1454 01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:01,960 and I'm fascinated by that link between the past. 1455 01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,160 And I think that's something that art shows us, 1456 01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:05,960 that we've got more in common with each other 1457 01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:08,480 in our very basic humanity. 1458 01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:11,960 I'll tell you something. 1459 01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:16,960 I would not have uncovered the secrets of that Bellini 1460 01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:18,960 had the National Gallery not been free. 1461 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,960 Because I came every day for months and months and months, 1462 01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:26,640 and I stood quietly in front of the picture, 1463 01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:28,960 and that was a real luxury. 1464 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,000 Can you imagine if you had to pay 15 euros or something, 1465 01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:35,800 or ยฃ25 to go into the gallery? 1466 01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:36,960 You wouldn't do it. 1467 01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,960 It's my club. LAUGHS 1468 01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:42,960 It's my National Gallery, and I belong here. 1469 01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:43,960 I feel like I've come home. 1470 01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,960 TANNOY: 'Hello, this is a visitor announcement. 1471 01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,960 'We hope you've enjoyed your visit today. 1472 01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:02,960 'The gallery closes at 6pm, 1473 01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,960 'and our cloakrooms, gift shops, cafes and toilets 1474 01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:07,960 'will be closing shortly. 1475 01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:11,960 'The National Gallery will be open again tomorrow at 10am. 1476 01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,480 'Thank you, and have a lovely evening.' 1477 01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:19,320 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 124469

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