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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:32,921 --> 00:00:34,922 Good morning. 2 00:00:34,924 --> 00:00:36,724 Oh. Hey. Morning. 3 00:00:36,726 --> 00:00:38,425 Everyone's gathered. We're all ready if you are. 4 00:00:38,427 --> 00:00:39,927 Yeah, let's do it. 5 00:00:39,929 --> 00:00:40,961 You need that? 6 00:00:40,963 --> 00:00:42,763 Oh. Hey, uh, 7 00:00:42,765 --> 00:00:44,732 listen, Aaron... 8 00:00:44,734 --> 00:00:46,567 Thanks for letting me set this up. 9 00:00:46,569 --> 00:00:48,486 But the whole team really didn't need to be here. 10 00:00:48,488 --> 00:00:50,304 I'm the one that owed the favor. 11 00:00:50,306 --> 00:00:52,106 Everyone insisted. 12 00:00:53,692 --> 00:00:55,826 How you doing? 13 00:00:56,945 --> 00:00:58,996 Sorry--what? 14 00:00:58,998 --> 00:00:59,980 You ok? 15 00:00:59,982 --> 00:01:01,615 Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I'm great. 16 00:01:01,617 --> 00:01:03,334 I'm good. Uh... 17 00:01:03,336 --> 00:01:06,036 I'll meet you over there in a minute, ok? 18 00:01:35,016 --> 00:01:38,152 It's rare that an undergraduate criminology class 19 00:01:38,154 --> 00:01:40,538 gets guest speakers of this caliber. 20 00:01:40,540 --> 00:01:43,374 But today we're specially fortunate. 21 00:01:43,376 --> 00:01:45,376 I'd like to welcome an old friend, 22 00:01:45,378 --> 00:01:48,662 esteemed author and FBI Agent David Rossi, 23 00:01:48,664 --> 00:01:51,999 and his team, the Behavioral Analysis Unit. 24 00:01:52,001 --> 00:01:55,052 Now, they've agreed to spend an hour of their valuable time 25 00:01:55,054 --> 00:01:57,555 talking about what they do and how they do it. 26 00:01:57,557 --> 00:01:59,590 So let's make them feel welcome. 27 00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:11,518 Thank you, Dr. Grant. 28 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,520 Now, when she said I was an old friend, 29 00:02:13,522 --> 00:02:15,022 she was just referring to the fact 30 00:02:15,024 --> 00:02:17,741 that we've known each other for a very long time. 31 00:02:19,161 --> 00:02:20,694 Now, as the good Professor said, 32 00:02:20,696 --> 00:02:24,381 I am supervisory Special Agent Rossi. 33 00:02:24,383 --> 00:02:27,234 These are SSAs Jareau, 34 00:02:27,236 --> 00:02:28,719 Prentiss, 35 00:02:28,721 --> 00:02:31,255 Hotchner, and Morgan. 36 00:02:31,257 --> 00:02:33,173 This is Dr. Spencer Reid. 37 00:02:33,175 --> 00:02:36,093 And on keyboards today we have our technical analyst 38 00:02:36,095 --> 00:02:37,911 Ms. Penelope Garcia. 39 00:02:37,913 --> 00:02:39,579 Hi. 40 00:02:39,581 --> 00:02:41,382 Now, in simple terms, 41 00:02:41,384 --> 00:02:44,385 at the BAU we use behavioral science, 42 00:02:50,192 --> 00:02:52,926 Rapists, terrorists, 43 00:02:52,928 --> 00:02:54,261 pedophiles, 44 00:02:54,263 --> 00:02:55,646 and our specialty, 45 00:02:55,648 --> 00:02:58,198 serial killers. 46 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,369 Does anybody here know exactly what a serial killer is? 47 00:03:02,371 --> 00:03:04,738 Someone who's committed more than one murder. 48 00:03:04,740 --> 00:03:05,789 That's very good. 49 00:03:05,791 --> 00:03:08,075 By statute, 3 is the magic number. 50 00:03:08,077 --> 00:03:10,828 And it's actually more qualitative than quantitative for us. 51 00:03:10,830 --> 00:03:12,684 And today we're going to talk about how some 52 00:03:12,709 --> 00:03:14,709 serial killers get made. 53 00:03:15,918 --> 00:03:17,617 Because if you can understand that, 54 00:03:17,619 --> 00:03:19,753 then you can figure out a way to catch them. 55 00:03:19,755 --> 00:03:21,055 Garcia. 56 00:03:21,057 --> 00:03:22,973 My liege. 57 00:03:26,394 --> 00:03:28,345 Ok, this is Rachel Moore, 58 00:03:28,347 --> 00:03:31,065 a 17-year-old runaway from Spokane, Washington. 59 00:03:31,067 --> 00:03:34,018 Now, she grew up poor and in a broken home. 60 00:03:34,020 --> 00:03:38,072 Her mom left her dad because he liked to drink and beat on her. 61 00:03:38,074 --> 00:03:40,407 And this is Tina Dyson, 62 00:03:40,409 --> 00:03:43,193 a 19-year-old college student from Seattle. 63 00:03:43,195 --> 00:03:45,362 Now, she was a trust fund kid, 64 00:03:45,364 --> 00:03:48,248 and she got straight As and came from a loving family. 65 00:03:48,250 --> 00:03:50,284 Now, these two girls couldn't be any more different. 66 00:03:50,286 --> 00:03:53,570 But the one thing that they had in common 67 00:03:53,572 --> 00:03:58,759 is they both crossed paths with the most prolific serial killer 68 00:03:58,761 --> 00:04:00,627 the BAU has ever seen. 69 00:04:00,629 --> 00:04:03,663 One thing you should understand is that no two killers are the same. 70 00:04:03,665 --> 00:04:06,666 They each occupy their own point on the behavioral spectrum. 71 00:04:06,668 --> 00:04:09,687 Genetics, brain chemistry, psychology, and environment 72 00:04:09,689 --> 00:04:11,171 are all factors. 73 00:04:11,173 --> 00:04:13,006 But we believe that this particular killer 74 00:04:13,008 --> 00:04:15,025 grew up in an environment so adverse 75 00:04:15,027 --> 00:04:16,643 that he never had a chance. 76 00:04:16,645 --> 00:04:18,011 Bastard! 77 00:04:18,013 --> 00:04:21,648 He endured years of cruel and abject physical abuse. 78 00:04:21,650 --> 00:04:25,703 As well as horribly profound psychological abuse. 79 00:04:25,705 --> 00:04:27,788 No. No! 80 00:04:27,790 --> 00:04:30,857 When he wasn't being ignored, he was being humiliated. 81 00:04:30,859 --> 00:04:32,159 Let me in! 82 00:04:32,161 --> 00:04:36,046 Let me in! Let me in! Please! 83 00:04:36,048 --> 00:04:37,697 Now let me be clear. 84 00:04:37,699 --> 00:04:40,968 Most abused kids do not turn into killers. 85 00:04:40,970 --> 00:04:44,671 Not even all psychopaths become killers. 86 00:04:44,673 --> 00:04:47,558 But this particular unknown subject, 87 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,376 or unsub, 88 00:04:49,378 --> 00:04:52,012 suffered extreme abuse, 89 00:04:52,014 --> 00:04:56,717 and it has everything to do with why he does what he does. 90 00:04:56,719 --> 00:05:00,354 Now, these are some of his victims. 91 00:05:00,356 --> 00:05:03,857 He kidnapped them, he restrained them, 92 00:05:03,859 --> 00:05:05,359 and he starved them for days. 93 00:05:05,361 --> 00:05:08,245 Then he killed them by mutilating their reproductive organs. 94 00:05:08,247 --> 00:05:12,499 Right now we know there are at least 40 of them. 95 00:05:12,501 --> 00:05:15,452 But we believe that he may eventually claim over 100 victims. 96 00:05:15,454 --> 00:05:17,004 Now, we chose this case for today 97 00:05:17,006 --> 00:05:18,505 because we've been discovering bodies 98 00:05:18,507 --> 00:05:22,876 up and down the West Coast since 1992. 99 00:05:22,878 --> 00:05:25,212 For lack of a better word, 100 00:05:25,214 --> 00:05:27,364 it's a classic. 101 00:05:27,366 --> 00:05:29,883 This unsub's entire childhood 102 00:05:29,885 --> 00:05:31,685 was a crucible, 103 00:05:31,687 --> 00:05:35,699 and in it, a psychotic killer was forged. 107 00:06:08,773 --> 00:06:10,591 The philosopher Voltaire wrote, 108 00:06:10,592 --> 00:06:13,126 "to the living we owe respect, but to the dead 109 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,246 we owe only the truth." 110 00:06:16,448 --> 00:06:20,400 The dead are the cornerstone of every homicide investigation. 111 00:06:20,402 --> 00:06:24,287 Victims give us a look into the killer's mind. 112 00:06:24,289 --> 00:06:26,657 If you want to know about a hunter, 113 00:06:26,659 --> 00:06:28,375 study his prey. 114 00:06:28,377 --> 00:06:30,460 Ok, so the unsub's first victims 115 00:06:30,462 --> 00:06:32,162 were discovered two weeks apart 116 00:06:32,164 --> 00:06:34,414 in 1992 in Seattle. 117 00:06:34,416 --> 00:06:37,668 The first victim that was found was Rachel Moore. 118 00:06:37,670 --> 00:06:38,969 She was the runaway. 119 00:06:38,971 --> 00:06:42,806 Her body had been thrown into a dumpster in an alley. 120 00:06:42,808 --> 00:06:45,676 The medical examiner said that she was very malnourished 121 00:06:45,678 --> 00:06:47,644 and really dehydrated. 122 00:06:47,646 --> 00:06:49,763 The ligature marks on her wrists and ankles 123 00:06:49,765 --> 00:06:52,983 made it apparent that she'd been restrained for days. 124 00:06:52,985 --> 00:06:56,186 He held her, but he didn't feed her. 125 00:06:56,188 --> 00:06:57,604 So she's weak. 126 00:06:57,606 --> 00:07:00,607 It's his sadistic way to subdue her. 127 00:07:00,609 --> 00:07:03,660 Several defensive wounds on her hands and forearms. 128 00:07:03,662 --> 00:07:05,779 She put up a hell of a fight. 129 00:07:05,781 --> 00:07:07,114 That a girl. 130 00:07:07,116 --> 00:07:10,117 53 stab wounds to the lower abdomen and genitals. 131 00:07:10,119 --> 00:07:12,119 The damage made it impossible to determine 132 00:07:12,121 --> 00:07:13,620 if there was any sexual assault. 133 00:07:13,622 --> 00:07:16,489 That might be a forensic countermeasure. 134 00:07:16,491 --> 00:07:18,291 Here's my report. 135 00:07:18,293 --> 00:07:20,660 Stay as long as you need. 136 00:07:20,662 --> 00:07:24,214 Her mother should be here in an hour. 137 00:07:24,216 --> 00:07:28,351 A hell of a way to see her after 2 years. 138 00:07:30,171 --> 00:07:33,807 53 stab wounds. That's a lot of work. 139 00:07:33,809 --> 00:07:36,526 Does anyone want to tell me what they think that means? 140 00:07:36,528 --> 00:07:37,561 Hatred? 141 00:07:37,563 --> 00:07:38,645 Frustration. 142 00:07:38,647 --> 00:07:40,197 He's angry. 143 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:42,115 You're all correct. It's called overkill. 144 00:07:42,117 --> 00:07:45,652 Typically it means the murder was personal somehow. 145 00:07:45,654 --> 00:07:47,821 That, or the unsub is psychotic 146 00:07:47,823 --> 00:07:49,740 and/or prone to violent outbursts. 147 00:07:50,993 --> 00:07:53,376 The overkill may also show his inexperience. 148 00:07:53,378 --> 00:07:55,579 This was probably his first kill, 149 00:07:55,581 --> 00:07:58,248 and he was feeling his way through it, working out his M.O. 150 00:07:58,250 --> 00:08:02,535 But there's a lot about Rachel that tells us about the unsub. 151 00:08:02,537 --> 00:08:05,422 She was young, so most likely he was, too. 152 00:08:05,424 --> 00:08:06,757 What makes you think that? 153 00:08:06,759 --> 00:08:09,559 She lived in a shelter and had a part-time job, 154 00:08:09,561 --> 00:08:11,044 so she was a street kid, 155 00:08:11,046 --> 00:08:12,929 but not necessarily the reckless type. 156 00:08:12,931 --> 00:08:15,182 She wouldn't just go off with anyone. 157 00:08:15,184 --> 00:08:17,484 Yeah, Warden, it's Rossi. 158 00:08:17,486 --> 00:08:18,985 What? 159 00:08:18,987 --> 00:08:19,970 Riot? 160 00:08:19,972 --> 00:08:21,655 W-w-w-wait. 161 00:08:21,657 --> 00:08:24,324 Look, he's not gonna give me a rain check. 162 00:08:24,326 --> 00:08:25,609 I have to see him today. 163 00:08:25,611 --> 00:08:28,128 So the unsub maybe lured her with a ruse 164 00:08:28,130 --> 00:08:30,630 or he blitz attacked her, he took her by surprise. 165 00:08:30,632 --> 00:08:33,116 Now, either one of these would be easier if you were young. 166 00:08:33,118 --> 00:08:35,118 You can tell all that from just one victim? 167 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,337 I'd say it was two weeks later when we found the second victim 168 00:08:37,339 --> 00:08:39,039 that we started to piece that together. 169 00:08:39,041 --> 00:08:41,258 Tina Dyson was home for the summer when she disappeared. 170 00:08:41,260 --> 00:08:44,511 Her body was found in a shallow grave just outside of Seattle. 171 00:08:44,513 --> 00:08:46,129 But it was actually her abduction site 172 00:08:46,131 --> 00:08:48,715 that gave us the answers we needed. 173 00:08:49,968 --> 00:08:52,185 Tina and two of her friends had fake I.D.s 174 00:08:52,187 --> 00:08:55,255 and they decided to go to a local grunge bar. 175 00:08:58,526 --> 00:09:01,061 But they drank too much and Tina got sick, 176 00:09:01,063 --> 00:09:03,396 so while one friend was inside dancing, 177 00:09:03,398 --> 00:09:06,599 the other went out to hold Tina's hair. 178 00:09:06,601 --> 00:09:08,902 It's all right. Come on. 179 00:09:11,439 --> 00:09:13,456 I'm gonna go get Janice, ok? We're going home. 180 00:09:13,458 --> 00:09:15,659 Ohh...Good, yeah. 181 00:09:20,464 --> 00:09:22,966 Ohh...Ohh... 182 00:09:29,307 --> 00:09:31,291 You ok? 183 00:09:31,293 --> 00:09:34,978 Yeah. Jeez, what are you, a ninja? 184 00:09:34,980 --> 00:09:36,813 Where'd you come from? 185 00:09:38,349 --> 00:09:41,634 So his anger is obviously directed at women. 186 00:09:41,636 --> 00:09:43,303 Yes, but the real question is why, 187 00:09:43,305 --> 00:09:45,572 and the why is what always leads us to the who. 188 00:09:45,574 --> 00:09:46,940 I need to talk to you. 189 00:09:46,942 --> 00:09:48,975 He was attacking their genitals and reproductive organs. 190 00:09:48,977 --> 00:09:50,243 Why? 191 00:09:50,245 --> 00:09:51,477 Was he impotent 192 00:09:51,479 --> 00:09:53,313 and hates the thing that he can't have? 193 00:09:53,315 --> 00:09:57,250 Did his wife or girlfriend abort a child? 194 00:09:57,252 --> 00:09:58,351 It's a federal prison, Dave. 195 00:09:58,376 --> 00:10:00,376 We can't just call them up and tell them what to do. 196 00:10:00,455 --> 00:10:04,207 You have to know someone in justice who can pull some strings. 197 00:10:04,209 --> 00:10:07,627 I've got to see him today, Aaron. You know that. 198 00:10:07,629 --> 00:10:08,995 The possibilities are endless. 199 00:10:08,997 --> 00:10:11,497 And the unsub was figuring it all out for himself, too. 200 00:10:11,499 --> 00:10:13,133 We know that because he was evolving. 201 00:10:13,135 --> 00:10:17,270 He started with a runaway, a victim with a high-risk lifestyle. 202 00:10:17,272 --> 00:10:19,806 He probably knew that her abduction would go unreported. 203 00:10:19,808 --> 00:10:22,726 Then he upped his game and grabbed a college girl, 204 00:10:22,728 --> 00:10:24,895 which meant more risk for himself. 205 00:10:24,897 --> 00:10:27,180 He dumped his first victim Rachel in an alley, 206 00:10:27,182 --> 00:10:28,681 but he took the time to bury Tina, 207 00:10:28,683 --> 00:10:31,284 which suggests he felt more connected to her 208 00:10:31,286 --> 00:10:33,069 and perhaps he even felt remorse. 209 00:10:33,071 --> 00:10:34,654 Did you ever catch this guy? 210 00:10:34,656 --> 00:10:36,523 Uh, what's your name, young man? 211 00:10:36,525 --> 00:10:37,958 David Zimmerman. 212 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,326 Don't interrupt, Zimmerman. 213 00:10:41,580 --> 00:10:44,497 Now, we, uh, we knew we needed to warn the public, 214 00:10:44,499 --> 00:10:48,168 so we contacted the media, papers, local news. 215 00:10:48,170 --> 00:10:51,537 That was back before the Internet exploded. 216 00:10:51,539 --> 00:10:54,724 And then, as will happen from time to time, 217 00:10:54,726 --> 00:10:57,060 the case went completely cold. 218 00:10:57,062 --> 00:11:02,098 We didn't hear from him again until 1997. 219 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:04,932 Two bodies were found in Golden Gate Park, 220 00:11:04,957 --> 00:11:06,957 in San Francisco. 221 00:11:07,022 --> 00:11:08,521 Same M.O. 222 00:11:08,523 --> 00:11:10,941 Evidently our guy. 223 00:11:16,664 --> 00:11:18,898 Excuse me, I'm looking for the case Agent. 224 00:11:18,900 --> 00:11:21,334 That would be me. Agent Rossi, I'm Agent Hotchner, 225 00:11:21,336 --> 00:11:23,370 Seattle division. We spoke on the phone. 226 00:11:23,372 --> 00:11:25,086 Uh, I inherited the case from Agent Bidwell. 227 00:11:25,111 --> 00:11:26,674 Thanks for coming so quickly. 228 00:11:26,675 --> 00:11:28,508 Yeah, I hopped the first flight from Dulles. 229 00:11:28,510 --> 00:11:30,010 Came straight from the airport. 230 00:11:30,012 --> 00:11:31,928 That's a long trip. With bad food. 231 00:11:31,930 --> 00:11:33,463 Let me show you what we found. 232 00:11:33,465 --> 00:11:35,682 A jogger discovered the first body dumped in the bushes 233 00:11:35,684 --> 00:11:37,801 about 30 yards over the road here. 234 00:11:37,803 --> 00:11:39,719 The M.E. said that she'd been there almost a month. 235 00:11:39,721 --> 00:11:41,187 Any critters get to her? 236 00:11:41,189 --> 00:11:43,556 We had to use dental records to identify her. Watch your step. 237 00:11:43,558 --> 00:11:45,141 So we did a search of the area 238 00:11:45,143 --> 00:11:47,527 and we discovered the second body in this shallow grave. 239 00:11:47,529 --> 00:11:49,312 She'd been here less than a week. 240 00:11:49,314 --> 00:11:52,449 So, he dumped the first one and buried the second. 241 00:11:52,451 --> 00:11:54,401 Just like he did in '92. 242 00:11:54,403 --> 00:11:56,202 The first victim-- was she a runaway? 243 00:11:56,204 --> 00:11:58,154 25-year-old prostitute and crack addict. 244 00:11:58,156 --> 00:11:59,605 The second? 245 00:11:59,607 --> 00:12:01,241 A 27-year-old mother of two. 246 00:12:01,243 --> 00:12:03,086 Both women had had their reproductive organs 247 00:12:03,111 --> 00:12:04,462 completely removed. 248 00:12:04,463 --> 00:12:06,880 Not just mangled. He's evolving. 249 00:12:06,882 --> 00:12:09,165 Sounds like he's moving more toward ritual. 250 00:12:09,167 --> 00:12:10,917 And apparently he's not locked into an age preference. 251 00:12:10,919 --> 00:12:13,753 The victims seem to be aging along with him. 252 00:12:13,755 --> 00:12:15,138 What about stomach contents? 253 00:12:15,140 --> 00:12:18,008 The victims were dehydrated and hadn't eaten in days. 254 00:12:18,010 --> 00:12:20,260 My guess is he hasn't been back in Seattle in a while. 255 00:12:20,262 --> 00:12:21,895 What makes you say that? 256 00:12:21,897 --> 00:12:24,264 He needs someplace private to hold them. 257 00:12:24,266 --> 00:12:25,631 He might live close. 258 00:12:25,633 --> 00:12:27,817 Dumping a body in a public park is risky. 259 00:12:27,819 --> 00:12:31,471 It tells me that he's comfortable, settled in. 260 00:12:31,473 --> 00:12:33,558 He might even have chosen this spot to be able to come 261 00:12:33,583 --> 00:12:35,493 back and relive the kills. 262 00:12:35,494 --> 00:12:37,477 You've done your homework, Agent. 263 00:12:37,479 --> 00:12:40,013 5 years is a long time to be dormant. 264 00:12:40,015 --> 00:12:42,198 He wasn't dormant. 265 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,203 A killer that vicious is like a drug addict 266 00:12:45,228 --> 00:12:46,420 that needs a fix. 267 00:12:46,421 --> 00:12:48,838 We were fairly certain that he had kept on killing. 268 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,673 We just hadn't found the bodies yet. 269 00:12:50,675 --> 00:12:53,009 Now, we knew that back in '92 270 00:12:53,011 --> 00:12:55,462 when the media went wide with the story, 271 00:12:55,464 --> 00:13:00,050 our unsub got spooked and he disappeared. 272 00:13:01,886 --> 00:13:04,854 So we tried to get in front of it, 273 00:13:04,856 --> 00:13:07,941 meaning that if we could control the spread of information, 274 00:13:07,943 --> 00:13:10,393 we might be able to keep the unsub from fleeing again. 275 00:13:10,395 --> 00:13:12,529 But back then the BAU was still young. 276 00:13:12,531 --> 00:13:16,082 We didn't have press liaisons or technical analysts. 277 00:13:16,084 --> 00:13:17,458 By the time we contacted the media, 278 00:13:17,483 --> 00:13:19,374 the story had already broken. 279 00:13:25,826 --> 00:13:27,660 A symbol of the American west-- 280 00:13:27,662 --> 00:13:29,329 a lone coyote hunts for prey. 281 00:13:29,331 --> 00:13:32,132 Agent Rossi, are you making any progress in the investigation? 282 00:13:32,134 --> 00:13:33,416 Quite a bit, yes. 283 00:13:33,418 --> 00:13:35,301 So do you have any solid leads? 284 00:13:35,303 --> 00:13:36,252 Several. 285 00:13:36,254 --> 00:13:38,171 Agent Rossi, can you confirm the rumors 286 00:13:38,173 --> 00:13:40,540 that the Womb Raider disembowels his victims? 287 00:13:40,542 --> 00:13:41,874 Excuse me? 288 00:13:41,876 --> 00:13:43,676 Can you confirms the rumors that the womb-- 289 00:13:43,678 --> 00:13:45,595 Oh, I'll confirm something for you. 290 00:13:45,597 --> 00:13:48,098 Womb Raider is a name that you gave him. 291 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:50,216 I won't glorify him. I call him a murderer. 292 00:13:50,218 --> 00:13:52,318 Then exactly how is he killing them? 293 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,654 My only concern is capturing him 294 00:13:54,656 --> 00:13:57,490 and bringing closure to the families of the victims. 295 00:13:57,492 --> 00:13:58,891 No further questions. 296 00:14:09,645 --> 00:14:11,095 "Womb Raider." 297 00:14:11,097 --> 00:14:13,564 I hoped the nickname would embolden him. 298 00:14:13,566 --> 00:14:17,819 Thought maybe he would escalate and trip on his own hubris. 299 00:14:17,821 --> 00:14:20,688 But, um, that didn't happen. 300 00:14:20,690 --> 00:14:23,107 Unfortunately, he vanished just like he'd done before 301 00:14:23,109 --> 00:14:24,592 and the trail went cold again. 302 00:14:24,594 --> 00:14:25,943 We did everything we could. 303 00:14:25,945 --> 00:14:28,780 We had every division up and down the West Coast 304 00:14:28,782 --> 00:14:31,115 scouring missing person reports. 305 00:14:31,117 --> 00:14:34,902 A lot of possibilities, but no clear hits. 306 00:14:34,904 --> 00:14:37,421 In the meantime, Agent Rossi retired, 307 00:14:37,423 --> 00:14:39,423 but the BAU grew. 308 00:14:39,425 --> 00:14:41,626 We trained more profilers, 309 00:14:41,628 --> 00:14:44,212 hired tech analysts, press liaisons, 310 00:14:44,214 --> 00:14:45,913 and we even got our own resident genius. 311 00:14:45,915 --> 00:14:47,849 Thank you. Thank you. 312 00:14:50,253 --> 00:14:52,103 Agent Rossi, why did you retire? 313 00:14:53,222 --> 00:14:55,356 That's a good question. 314 00:14:55,358 --> 00:14:58,425 Well, the simple answer is I needed a change. 315 00:14:58,427 --> 00:15:00,695 I was working on my third divorce, and... 316 00:15:00,697 --> 00:15:01,762 Third? 317 00:15:01,764 --> 00:15:03,865 Yes, Zimmerman, my third. 318 00:15:05,235 --> 00:15:07,434 So I needed a break, and I figured writing books 319 00:15:07,436 --> 00:15:10,104 might help give me some peace of mind. 320 00:15:10,106 --> 00:15:12,907 Did it? Give you peace of mind? 321 00:15:12,909 --> 00:15:15,076 For a time, yes. 322 00:15:15,078 --> 00:15:17,784 In 2005, we got another hit on the unsub, 323 00:15:17,809 --> 00:15:18,747 this time in Los Angeles. 324 00:15:18,748 --> 00:15:21,249 We knew it was him because of his signature. 325 00:15:21,251 --> 00:15:22,750 Sorry, what's a signature? 326 00:15:22,752 --> 00:15:24,886 It's a rare combination of M.O. and ritual 327 00:15:24,888 --> 00:15:27,889 that allows us to link cases over time and geographic distances. 328 00:15:27,891 --> 00:15:31,142 Her name was Lana Cooper. She was a 33-year-old prostitute. 329 00:15:31,144 --> 00:15:35,263 Her body was found by a boy walking his dog in Griffith Park. 330 00:15:35,265 --> 00:15:38,966 Ligature marks on her wrists and ankles. She was restrained. 331 00:15:38,968 --> 00:15:40,768 And he gave her a complete hysterectomy. 332 00:15:40,770 --> 00:15:44,572 The uterus, ovaries, fallopian tubes, all removed. 333 00:15:44,574 --> 00:15:47,325 A little crude, but he cut all the right ligaments. 334 00:15:47,327 --> 00:15:48,826 He knew what he was doing. 335 00:15:48,828 --> 00:15:50,328 What about her throat? 336 00:15:50,330 --> 00:15:53,331 That was done postmortem. He cut out her vocal cords. 337 00:15:53,333 --> 00:15:55,833 Might be a symbolic way of keeping her silent. 338 00:15:55,835 --> 00:15:58,452 So she was alive when he performed the hysterectomy. 339 00:15:58,454 --> 00:16:00,421 Anything in her stomach? 340 00:16:00,423 --> 00:16:02,673 Dry as a bone. She hadn't eaten in days. 341 00:16:02,675 --> 00:16:04,258 So he starved her, too. 342 00:16:04,260 --> 00:16:05,693 That's a pretty specific M.O. 343 00:16:05,695 --> 00:16:07,211 This probably isn't his first victim. 344 00:16:07,213 --> 00:16:09,597 I wonder if we should be looking at doctors and medical students. 345 00:16:09,599 --> 00:16:11,265 It's definitely not his first victim. 346 00:16:11,267 --> 00:16:13,718 I don't think he's a doctor or a medical student. 347 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,020 No. Calling Gideon? 348 00:16:16,022 --> 00:16:18,356 The first call I made was to Agent Rossi. 349 00:16:18,358 --> 00:16:19,774 I knew he was writing his book, 350 00:16:19,776 --> 00:16:24,779 but I didn't want to start to build a profile without him. 351 00:16:24,781 --> 00:16:27,982 A profile is personality and identifying characteristics 352 00:16:27,984 --> 00:16:31,336 of the unsub which helps the investigator narrow 353 00:16:31,361 --> 00:16:32,520 down the suspect pool. 354 00:16:32,521 --> 00:16:34,155 Basically it's a behavioral description 355 00:16:34,157 --> 00:16:37,124 of the type of person we think the unsub might be. 356 00:16:37,126 --> 00:16:38,326 It goes a little like this-- 357 00:16:38,328 --> 00:16:40,328 we were looking for a white male 358 00:16:40,330 --> 00:16:42,246 in his early to mid-30s. 359 00:16:42,248 --> 00:16:45,633 We think he was antisocial and had low self-esteem, 360 00:16:45,635 --> 00:16:47,201 so he probably kept to himself. 361 00:16:47,203 --> 00:16:48,753 But he needed money, 362 00:16:48,755 --> 00:16:51,587 so he was most likely a day laborer, a janitor, 363 00:16:51,612 --> 00:16:52,707 maybe a handyman. 364 00:16:52,708 --> 00:16:54,541 Anything menial and temporary. 365 00:16:54,543 --> 00:16:56,928 He was personable enough to get a job wherever he went, 366 00:16:56,930 --> 00:16:59,847 but unassuming enough not to stick out. 367 00:16:59,849 --> 00:17:01,983 He held and restrained his victims for days, 368 00:17:01,985 --> 00:17:04,551 so he would need a contained space to do that. 369 00:17:04,553 --> 00:17:07,388 But he was also mobile. That meant he had his own transport. 370 00:17:07,390 --> 00:17:09,390 Most likely a truck or a van. 371 00:17:09,392 --> 00:17:12,443 And when he was on the move and not settled, 372 00:17:12,445 --> 00:17:13,894 he probably lived out of that vehicle. 373 00:17:13,896 --> 00:17:15,413 We knew he always started with a victim 374 00:17:15,415 --> 00:17:17,081 who lived a high-risk lifestyle, 375 00:17:17,083 --> 00:17:19,417 like a prostitute or a runaway. 376 00:17:19,419 --> 00:17:22,870 And then he moved on to a victim with a low-risk lifestyle. 377 00:17:22,872 --> 00:17:25,433 So we knew his next kill would be something of 378 00:17:25,458 --> 00:17:27,458 a soccer mom in her 30s. 379 00:17:28,795 --> 00:17:31,431 I'm sorry, but what exactly was he doing with the organs 380 00:17:31,456 --> 00:17:32,848 he was removing? 381 00:17:32,849 --> 00:17:35,266 We didn't know. It could have been some sort of fetish. 382 00:17:35,268 --> 00:17:36,767 Russian serial killer Andrei Chikatilo 383 00:17:36,769 --> 00:17:38,602 actually ate the uterus of one of his victims. 384 00:17:38,604 --> 00:17:40,054 Oh, my God, eew. 385 00:17:40,056 --> 00:17:41,889 This focus on reproductive organs 386 00:17:41,891 --> 00:17:44,483 could also indicate a deep-seated sense 387 00:17:44,508 --> 00:17:45,694 of self-loathing. 388 00:17:45,695 --> 00:17:48,229 He might have hated the fact that he was born. 389 00:17:48,231 --> 00:17:50,147 Or he had some sort of traumatic life-changing event 390 00:17:50,149 --> 00:17:51,598 associated with birth. 391 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,735 And he could have hated his own mother. 392 00:17:54,737 --> 00:17:57,425 The strained mother-child relationship is a hallmark 393 00:17:57,450 --> 00:17:58,290 for many killers. 394 00:17:58,291 --> 00:17:59,740 That doesn't make any sense. 395 00:17:59,742 --> 00:18:01,742 I hate myself or I hate my mother, 396 00:18:01,744 --> 00:18:05,212 so I kill women by ripping out their wombs? 397 00:18:05,214 --> 00:18:07,531 It only needs to make sense to him. 398 00:18:07,533 --> 00:18:10,251 One man's logic is another man's crazy. 399 00:18:10,253 --> 00:18:12,253 What's the deal with the vocal cords? 400 00:18:12,255 --> 00:18:13,921 That was something new. 401 00:18:13,923 --> 00:18:16,123 We thought it might have been symbolic of his own silence. 402 00:18:16,125 --> 00:18:18,125 He was raised to believe he was worthless and unwanted, 403 00:18:18,127 --> 00:18:20,094 so essentially he never had his own voice. 404 00:18:20,096 --> 00:18:22,580 His victims became surrogates for his rage 405 00:18:22,582 --> 00:18:26,717 and a means by which to exact his revenge. 406 00:18:37,112 --> 00:18:40,281 We stayed in L.A. for 6 weeks and worked the case. 407 00:18:40,283 --> 00:18:42,283 And then it went cold, again. 408 00:18:42,285 --> 00:18:44,318 No low-risk soccer mom turned up, 409 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:45,953 no soccer moms went missing. 410 00:18:45,955 --> 00:18:47,755 Then our resources were exhausted, 411 00:18:47,757 --> 00:18:50,157 we had other cases, so we were forced to leave. 412 00:18:50,159 --> 00:18:52,943 But I rented a house in the Hollywood Hills 413 00:18:52,945 --> 00:18:55,346 and decided to finish my book out there. 414 00:18:55,348 --> 00:18:58,920 I figured if I was close I could lend a hand 415 00:18:58,945 --> 00:19:00,585 if something happened. 416 00:19:00,586 --> 00:19:03,888 3 months I stayed and nothing. 417 00:19:06,391 --> 00:19:09,276 Now, in the past he packed up and moved 418 00:19:09,278 --> 00:19:11,729 when the story broke and we got too close. 419 00:19:11,731 --> 00:19:14,065 But this time the media was quiet. 420 00:19:14,067 --> 00:19:17,952 The victim was a hooker nobody cared about. 421 00:19:17,954 --> 00:19:20,121 So, what drove him under? 422 00:19:20,123 --> 00:19:23,524 It would be 4 years before we got another break. 423 00:19:23,526 --> 00:19:28,162 Not too long after, I came out of retirement. 424 00:19:31,633 --> 00:19:32,800 What? 425 00:19:32,802 --> 00:19:35,302 Rochelle Jenkins, a 40-year-old prostitute 426 00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:36,837 was found dumped in an alley in Seattle. 427 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:38,806 She was given a complete hysterectomy. 428 00:19:38,808 --> 00:19:41,842 Her vocal cords were cut out, too. 429 00:19:41,844 --> 00:19:44,395 He's back where he got started. 430 00:19:44,397 --> 00:19:47,348 He'll be on the hunt for a low-risk victim in her 40s next. 431 00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:50,684 I wonder what brought him home. 432 00:19:50,686 --> 00:19:52,887 It's a long trip. We should get going. 433 00:19:52,889 --> 00:19:55,990 But this time we were ready for him. 434 00:19:55,992 --> 00:19:58,242 We wanted to use the press to our advantage. 435 00:19:58,244 --> 00:20:02,163 So we came up with what's called a targeted media strategy. 436 00:20:02,165 --> 00:20:04,281 Agent, is it true you have a suspect in custody? 437 00:20:04,283 --> 00:20:05,833 Yes, he's being questioned as we speak. 438 00:20:05,835 --> 00:20:08,619 Can you tell us how you apprehended him? 439 00:20:08,621 --> 00:20:11,872 With good police work, especially from the Seattle P.D. 440 00:20:11,874 --> 00:20:13,624 and the Washington State Patrol. 441 00:20:13,626 --> 00:20:15,577 Is it true that the killer's been on the loose 442 00:20:15,602 --> 00:20:16,711 since the early nineties? 443 00:20:16,712 --> 00:20:19,296 That remains to be seen, but we do believe 444 00:20:19,298 --> 00:20:20,931 we can link him to several murders. 445 00:20:20,933 --> 00:20:23,917 Thank you. Now, if you'll excuse us, we've got work to do. 446 00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:25,219 So you did catch him. 447 00:20:25,221 --> 00:20:29,723 No. But we wanted him to think we caught the wrong guy. 448 00:20:29,725 --> 00:20:30,691 Why? 449 00:20:30,693 --> 00:20:32,610 To give him a false sense of security. 450 00:20:32,612 --> 00:20:35,404 If he thinks we messed up, then maybe he relaxes 451 00:20:35,429 --> 00:20:36,948 and makes a mistake. 452 00:20:36,949 --> 00:20:39,450 That, or he gets angry because he thinks someone else 453 00:20:39,452 --> 00:20:40,901 is stealing his thunder. 454 00:20:40,903 --> 00:20:42,486 Either way, the aim of the strategy 455 00:20:42,488 --> 00:20:44,321 is the throw the killer off course. 456 00:20:44,323 --> 00:20:46,157 Otherwise, all we're doing is reacting to him, 457 00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:49,210 and we needed him to react to us. 458 00:20:49,212 --> 00:20:51,078 Lord knows I love him, but here's to a night without him. 459 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,380 Husbands, too. To the kids. 460 00:20:53,382 --> 00:20:54,582 Ok, fine, have it your way. 461 00:20:54,584 --> 00:20:56,634 We're too old for this. 462 00:20:56,636 --> 00:20:58,002 Speak for yourself. 463 00:20:58,004 --> 00:21:02,089 Ok, ladies, bottoms up, lick, drink, suck. Yeah? 464 00:21:04,059 --> 00:21:05,426 Mm! 465 00:21:05,428 --> 00:21:07,561 Whoo-hoo! Ha ha! 466 00:21:07,563 --> 00:21:09,963 She's whoo-hooing, you know we're in for a long night. 467 00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:12,466 We need some more water. 468 00:21:12,468 --> 00:21:14,802 We should get another round. 469 00:21:16,355 --> 00:21:17,821 You're insane. 470 00:21:22,778 --> 00:21:25,362 Play date tomorrow? Meet me at the park? 471 00:21:25,364 --> 00:21:27,414 Can't. Soccer game and birthday party. Sunday? 472 00:21:27,416 --> 00:21:28,449 Ok. Sure. 473 00:21:28,451 --> 00:21:29,667 You all right to drive? 474 00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:30,984 That drink was what, 475 00:21:30,986 --> 00:21:32,703 two hours and a big dinner ago. 476 00:21:32,705 --> 00:21:34,821 I'm fine. Go. Are you sure? 477 00:21:34,823 --> 00:21:35,822 Bye, sweetie. 478 00:21:35,824 --> 00:21:36,823 Bye, girls. 479 00:21:36,825 --> 00:21:37,875 I'll talk to you soon, ok? 480 00:21:37,877 --> 00:21:39,293 Ok. Yes. 481 00:21:39,295 --> 00:21:41,128 Good night. 482 00:21:42,430 --> 00:21:45,132 Hey, honey. I'm on the way home. 483 00:21:45,134 --> 00:21:46,517 How are the boys? 484 00:21:47,503 --> 00:21:50,671 Oh, it was fun. Everyone says hi. Ok. 485 00:21:50,673 --> 00:21:52,673 Love you, too. 486 00:21:52,675 --> 00:21:55,809 Bye. 487 00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:15,198 He's been moving south this whole time. 488 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,068 He could have gone east or bounced back up north, 489 00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:20,070 but no, always south. 490 00:22:20,072 --> 00:22:21,905 Almost like he's running from something. 491 00:22:21,907 --> 00:22:23,272 Well, he's running from us. 492 00:22:23,274 --> 00:22:25,625 But why go back home now, after all these years? 493 00:22:25,627 --> 00:22:27,210 Something brought him back. 494 00:22:27,212 --> 00:22:29,045 Rochelle Jenkins was in her 40s, 495 00:22:29,047 --> 00:22:30,580 so we can assume he is, too. 496 00:22:30,582 --> 00:22:33,049 Ok, so why do people come home at that age? 497 00:22:33,051 --> 00:22:36,002 Family, special occasions, funeral. 498 00:22:36,004 --> 00:22:37,003 Wait a minute. 499 00:22:37,005 --> 00:22:39,172 You guys have your own jet? 500 00:22:39,174 --> 00:22:42,258 Yes, Zimmerman, as a matter of fact, we do. 501 00:22:43,261 --> 00:22:44,311 Show them, Penelope. 502 00:22:44,313 --> 00:22:45,962 One second... 503 00:22:45,964 --> 00:22:47,814 Ok. There you go. 504 00:22:47,816 --> 00:22:49,316 Ooh... Pretty sweet, huh? 505 00:22:49,318 --> 00:22:50,317 Yeah. 506 00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:54,988 Hey, guys, a missing persons report just came in. 507 00:22:54,990 --> 00:22:56,823 42 years old, Grace Powell, mother of two, 508 00:22:56,825 --> 00:22:58,425 went out for girls night, never came home. 509 00:22:58,427 --> 00:22:59,943 That's gotta be him. 510 00:22:59,945 --> 00:23:02,329 Garcia, where did he take her from? 511 00:23:02,331 --> 00:23:03,413 Um... 512 00:23:03,415 --> 00:23:05,915 I recognized the place immediately. 513 00:23:05,917 --> 00:23:09,485 It was hard to forget. 514 00:23:09,487 --> 00:23:13,623 This is where he took Tina Dyson from in '92. 515 00:23:13,625 --> 00:23:15,675 This restaurant was a dive bar. 516 00:23:15,677 --> 00:23:17,677 A dive bar? In this neighborhood? 517 00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:19,162 Things were different then. 518 00:23:19,164 --> 00:23:20,647 He didn't just come back home. 519 00:23:20,649 --> 00:23:22,432 He returned to the exact same spot. 520 00:23:22,434 --> 00:23:25,518 But why here? What is it about this place? 521 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,421 It's where he grabbed one of his first kills. 522 00:23:28,423 --> 00:23:30,590 The first ones are always significant. 523 00:23:30,592 --> 00:23:32,942 And this is where my particular skill set comes in handy. 524 00:23:32,944 --> 00:23:37,197 See, I am like one of those wonderful people in prison movies 525 00:23:37,199 --> 00:23:38,698 that can get you anything you need. 526 00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:40,867 And we needed to know everything there was to know 527 00:23:40,869 --> 00:23:42,652 about this particular part of the city. 528 00:23:42,654 --> 00:23:44,070 So I went honey badger. 529 00:23:44,072 --> 00:23:46,740 I dug up police reports, news articles, 530 00:23:46,742 --> 00:23:48,158 parking tickets, even. 531 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,860 If anything went down in that area in the last 40 years, 532 00:23:50,862 --> 00:23:52,195 I knew about it. 533 00:23:52,197 --> 00:23:53,496 And I found zip. 534 00:23:53,498 --> 00:23:55,131 Zero. Stingy with the dinero. 535 00:23:55,133 --> 00:23:57,533 Couple of Fender-benders. A bar fight. 536 00:23:57,535 --> 00:23:59,719 There was a homeless guy who was into mooning people, 537 00:23:59,721 --> 00:24:01,921 but no life-changers. 538 00:24:01,923 --> 00:24:04,707 So I extended my search another 10 years 539 00:24:04,709 --> 00:24:06,209 and I found this. 540 00:24:07,544 --> 00:24:11,514 This is a police report from 1966, 541 00:24:11,516 --> 00:24:13,850 where a 16-year-old girl was found raped 542 00:24:13,852 --> 00:24:15,885 in a parked car on that street. 543 00:24:15,887 --> 00:24:17,353 But she was a minor, 544 00:24:17,355 --> 00:24:18,938 so her name wasn't listed on the report. 545 00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:21,608 Well, what's this girl got to do with a serial killer? 546 00:24:21,610 --> 00:24:24,327 Pump your brakes, sweetcakes, 'cause I'm bringing it home. 547 00:24:24,329 --> 00:24:26,429 It turns out that Jane Doe, instead of given a name, 548 00:24:26,431 --> 00:24:28,281 she was given a patient number. 549 00:24:28,283 --> 00:24:29,532 So I tracked that number, 550 00:24:29,534 --> 00:24:32,118 and it turned out that she went back to that hospital 551 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,721 several times after... 552 00:24:34,723 --> 00:24:36,706 for prenatal care. 553 00:24:36,708 --> 00:24:39,008 And she eventually brought that baby to term. 554 00:24:45,232 --> 00:24:49,636 Aah! 555 00:24:49,638 --> 00:24:51,805 She hemorrhaged badly during childbirth, 556 00:24:51,807 --> 00:24:54,340 and during her emergency hysterectomy 557 00:24:54,342 --> 00:24:56,226 she died. 558 00:24:57,261 --> 00:24:59,312 It was at that point that I was able to find 559 00:24:59,314 --> 00:25:01,264 the corresponding death certificate 560 00:25:01,266 --> 00:25:03,032 and get her name. 561 00:25:03,034 --> 00:25:04,734 Georgina Yates. 562 00:25:04,736 --> 00:25:06,936 Her son Thomas Yates survived. 563 00:25:06,938 --> 00:25:09,205 He was put into the custody of his grandparents 564 00:25:09,207 --> 00:25:11,908 Trudy and Roy Yates, Georgina's parents. 565 00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:16,246 When we started looking at Thomas... 566 00:25:16,248 --> 00:25:17,881 We knew. 567 00:25:17,883 --> 00:25:19,549 Growing up, he got kicked out of two schools, 568 00:25:19,551 --> 00:25:21,835 both times for starting fires. 569 00:25:21,837 --> 00:25:23,786 Fire-starting is the first part 570 00:25:23,788 --> 00:25:26,306 of what we used to call the homicidal triad. 571 00:25:26,308 --> 00:25:29,625 The other two parts are bedwetting and cruelty to animals. 572 00:25:29,627 --> 00:25:32,095 He was also in the emergency room a lot as a kid. 573 00:25:32,097 --> 00:25:35,215 He had a broken arm, burns, he broke a rib once. 574 00:25:35,217 --> 00:25:38,768 So he was either very clumsy or he was being beaten. 575 00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:41,771 Then when he was 15, he committed his first murder. 576 00:25:41,773 --> 00:25:46,142 He was a skinny kid who snapped and stabbed a bully at school. 577 00:25:52,482 --> 00:25:55,118 He was convicted, served 3 years in juvey, 578 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:58,154 another 7 in prison, and then he was released on parole. 579 00:25:58,156 --> 00:25:59,973 But when he was on the inside, 580 00:25:59,975 --> 00:26:02,058 he spilled his guts to the prison shrink. 581 00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,660 He talked about how his grandmother would starve him 582 00:26:04,662 --> 00:26:06,145 and make him sleep in the dog house. 583 00:26:06,147 --> 00:26:08,014 How she would beat him senseless... 584 00:26:08,016 --> 00:26:09,349 I wish you were never born! 585 00:26:09,351 --> 00:26:10,884 And sit on him until he couldn't breathe. 586 00:26:10,886 --> 00:26:12,001 You're a curse! 587 00:26:12,003 --> 00:26:13,636 I hate you! 588 00:26:13,638 --> 00:26:15,471 And you actually believed this guy? 589 00:26:15,473 --> 00:26:17,941 The prison psychiatrist concluded that Thomas 590 00:26:17,943 --> 00:26:19,726 was telling the truth. 591 00:26:19,728 --> 00:26:21,060 His childhood medical records 592 00:26:21,062 --> 00:26:23,630 also corroborated this story. 593 00:26:23,632 --> 00:26:25,448 And at that point we realized it wasn't the mother 594 00:26:25,450 --> 00:26:27,617 but the grandmother who was the object of his rage. 595 00:26:27,619 --> 00:26:29,852 I have Senator Hendricks on the line. 596 00:26:29,854 --> 00:26:31,738 Then I find out his grandfather had just died, 597 00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:33,740 and his grandmother had lung cancer 598 00:26:33,742 --> 00:26:37,160 and she had just been admitted into hospice care. 599 00:26:37,162 --> 00:26:42,181 And that is what brought Thomas home. 600 00:26:50,707 --> 00:26:54,310 Excuse me, uh, Mrs. Trudy Yates? 601 00:26:54,312 --> 00:26:55,812 Who are you? 602 00:26:55,814 --> 00:26:58,431 I'm Agent Prentiss. This is Agent Jareau. We're with the FBI. 603 00:26:58,433 --> 00:27:01,050 FBI? You got the right Trudy Yates? 604 00:27:01,052 --> 00:27:03,653 Yes, I'm pretty sure we do, ma'am. 605 00:27:03,655 --> 00:27:05,188 You're Thomas' grandmother, right? 606 00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:06,356 What about it? 607 00:27:06,358 --> 00:27:07,523 We're looking for him. 608 00:27:07,525 --> 00:27:10,443 Tommy? He in trouble? 609 00:27:10,445 --> 00:27:12,579 What'd he do this time? 610 00:27:12,581 --> 00:27:13,830 Do you know where he is? 611 00:27:13,832 --> 00:27:14,998 No idea. 612 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,617 When was the last time you saw him? 613 00:27:17,619 --> 00:27:20,236 The day he put me in this damn place. 614 00:27:20,238 --> 00:27:23,339 My daughter's womb was cursed. 615 00:27:23,341 --> 00:27:26,125 That boy was a bastard born in sin. 616 00:27:26,127 --> 00:27:29,045 Nothing good comes out of sin. 617 00:27:32,049 --> 00:27:33,650 This is all we have. Thank you so much. 618 00:27:33,652 --> 00:27:36,219 Please give us a call if you think of anything else. 619 00:27:36,221 --> 00:27:37,387 Will do. 620 00:27:37,389 --> 00:27:38,888 Thank you. 621 00:27:45,263 --> 00:27:46,696 Baby, what can I do you for? 622 00:27:46,698 --> 00:27:48,564 Hey, mama, I need you to run a number. 623 00:27:48,566 --> 00:27:52,035 206-555-0112. 624 00:27:52,037 --> 00:27:54,871 Okey-dokey. It is a prepaid cell phone, hasn't been used in days. 625 00:27:54,873 --> 00:27:56,372 And what about this address? 626 00:27:56,374 --> 00:27:59,108 2334 Dawson Street, unit K. 627 00:27:59,110 --> 00:28:01,711 Hold yourself, please. 628 00:28:04,748 --> 00:28:09,785 Unit K? He needs to be more isolated than an apartment. 629 00:28:09,787 --> 00:28:11,620 It was a storage container. 630 00:28:11,622 --> 00:28:13,560 The same storage container where his grandmother's 631 00:28:13,585 --> 00:28:15,585 stuff was being held. 632 00:28:33,577 --> 00:28:35,695 You smell that? 633 00:28:35,697 --> 00:28:38,314 It's coffee. 634 00:28:39,816 --> 00:28:42,368 FBI! 635 00:28:42,370 --> 00:28:44,003 Drop it. 636 00:28:47,324 --> 00:28:49,658 Thomas Yates, you're under arrest. 637 00:28:53,847 --> 00:28:56,099 She's still got a pulse. 638 00:28:56,101 --> 00:28:58,501 Calling an ambulance. 639 00:28:58,503 --> 00:29:00,103 Agent Rossi. 640 00:29:00,105 --> 00:29:04,107 Nice to meet you after all these years. 641 00:29:07,534 --> 00:29:10,176 We got Grace Powell to the hospital in time 642 00:29:10,276 --> 00:29:11,325 and they saved her life. 643 00:29:11,327 --> 00:29:12,627 Though I'm not sure 644 00:29:12,629 --> 00:29:15,713 her psychological wounds will ever heal. 645 00:29:15,715 --> 00:29:17,548 How come I've never heard of this guy? 646 00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:20,167 Have you ever heard of Efren Saldivar? 647 00:29:20,169 --> 00:29:21,168 No. 648 00:29:21,170 --> 00:29:23,220 David Parker Ray. 649 00:29:23,222 --> 00:29:25,840 How about John Edward Robinson? 650 00:29:25,842 --> 00:29:30,094 See, at any given time, we have at least 25 open cases. 651 00:29:30,096 --> 00:29:32,430 Every year we're able to close around 15, 652 00:29:32,432 --> 00:29:35,182 yet new ones still seem to pop up. 653 00:29:35,184 --> 00:29:38,436 There are more serial killers out there than you may think. 654 00:29:38,438 --> 00:29:41,138 But we finally had Yates in custody, 655 00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:44,325 and we questioned him for two weeks straight. 656 00:29:44,327 --> 00:29:46,610 We all took turns. 657 00:29:46,612 --> 00:29:48,412 He didn't say a word. 658 00:29:48,414 --> 00:29:49,981 Never asked for a bathroom break, 659 00:29:49,983 --> 00:29:51,916 glass of water, nothing. 660 00:29:51,918 --> 00:29:54,418 I thought given his M.O., being female, 661 00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:57,621 I might be able to strike a nerve, get him to open up, 662 00:29:57,623 --> 00:30:00,991 but he just sat there, for hours. 663 00:30:00,993 --> 00:30:03,127 Staying absolutely silent under that kind of pressure 664 00:30:03,129 --> 00:30:05,796 was a skill he undoubtedly learned as a child. 665 00:30:05,798 --> 00:30:07,298 He was rendered silent for so long, 666 00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,100 it became a conditioned response. 667 00:30:09,102 --> 00:30:11,385 But we had him safely in custody. 668 00:30:11,387 --> 00:30:13,387 And we had other cases to solve. 669 00:30:13,389 --> 00:30:16,173 Eventually Yates was tried and he received the death penalty. 670 00:30:16,175 --> 00:30:18,309 And life went on. 671 00:30:18,311 --> 00:30:22,012 Then two years ago today... 672 00:30:22,014 --> 00:30:23,464 I got a call. 673 00:30:27,186 --> 00:30:28,819 Rossi. 674 00:30:28,821 --> 00:30:30,821 You have a call from an inmate 675 00:30:30,823 --> 00:30:32,289 in a correctional facility. 676 00:30:32,291 --> 00:30:34,241 Inmate, state your name. 677 00:30:34,243 --> 00:30:36,293 It's Tommy Yates. 678 00:30:36,295 --> 00:30:38,662 This call may be monitored and recorded. 679 00:30:38,664 --> 00:30:40,364 Press 2 if you accept the charges. 680 00:30:40,366 --> 00:30:41,716 If not, hang up. 681 00:30:41,718 --> 00:30:44,268 He called you personally? How'd he get your number? 682 00:30:44,270 --> 00:30:45,820 Probably from his attorney. 683 00:30:45,822 --> 00:30:47,088 What did he want? 684 00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:48,556 He wanted to make a deal, 685 00:30:48,558 --> 00:30:51,375 and I was the only one he would make it with. 686 00:31:06,324 --> 00:31:09,160 Can we be alone, please? 687 00:31:22,174 --> 00:31:23,674 What do you want? 688 00:31:23,676 --> 00:31:25,176 Nice to see you, too. 689 00:31:25,178 --> 00:31:27,344 Why am I here, Yates? 690 00:31:27,346 --> 00:31:28,745 I told you. 691 00:31:28,747 --> 00:31:30,731 I want to make a deal. 692 00:31:32,517 --> 00:31:34,301 You're on death row, 693 00:31:34,303 --> 00:31:38,639 not exactly a strong negotiating position. 694 00:31:40,609 --> 00:31:43,760 I've got something for you. 695 00:31:43,762 --> 00:31:45,762 It's a present. 696 00:31:45,764 --> 00:31:47,531 Open it. 697 00:31:47,533 --> 00:31:48,732 What is it? 698 00:31:48,734 --> 00:31:50,985 Open it and see. 699 00:31:54,122 --> 00:31:56,657 You shouldn't have. 700 00:32:00,445 --> 00:32:03,080 Surprise. 701 00:32:03,082 --> 00:32:06,083 Those are some of the girls I took. 702 00:32:06,085 --> 00:32:09,720 The ones you didn't find. 703 00:32:09,722 --> 00:32:12,373 There's 40 there. 704 00:32:16,428 --> 00:32:18,095 Why should I believe you? 705 00:32:18,097 --> 00:32:20,314 I thought you might ask that. 706 00:32:20,316 --> 00:32:22,566 It's all part of the deal. 707 00:32:22,568 --> 00:32:24,151 Look, let's get something straight. 708 00:32:24,153 --> 00:32:25,486 There is no deal. 709 00:32:25,488 --> 00:32:26,487 Not yet. 710 00:32:26,489 --> 00:32:28,189 Not ever. 711 00:32:28,191 --> 00:32:31,642 There's actually 101 names. 712 00:32:31,644 --> 00:32:34,361 And I remember all of them. 713 00:32:34,363 --> 00:32:37,414 And I'll tell you where I put them. 714 00:32:37,416 --> 00:32:39,917 Here's what I want. 715 00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:42,536 One--no death penalty. 716 00:32:42,538 --> 00:32:44,872 I don't care if I rot in here. 717 00:32:44,874 --> 00:32:47,675 But no chair and no injections. 718 00:32:47,677 --> 00:32:51,045 2--I want a transfer to the East Coast. 719 00:32:51,047 --> 00:32:54,131 Grandma's dead. Nothing holding me here. 720 00:32:54,133 --> 00:32:59,553 Plus, I like the idea of snow in the winter. 721 00:32:59,555 --> 00:33:01,672 Never really had that growing up. 722 00:33:01,674 --> 00:33:05,943 I didn't come all this way to get smoke blown up my ass. 723 00:33:05,945 --> 00:33:08,178 After I get my sentence commuted 724 00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:09,813 and my transfer, 725 00:33:09,815 --> 00:33:11,649 I'll give you more names. 726 00:33:11,651 --> 00:33:13,701 But only one each year. 727 00:33:13,703 --> 00:33:16,487 To keep you honest. 728 00:33:16,489 --> 00:33:18,289 You understand. 729 00:33:19,857 --> 00:33:21,325 Anything else? 730 00:33:21,327 --> 00:33:23,210 Yes. 731 00:33:23,212 --> 00:33:26,964 I get to decide when you get the name. 732 00:33:26,966 --> 00:33:30,501 It'll be on a special day of my choosing. 733 00:33:30,503 --> 00:33:35,839 And you have to come and get it from me personally. 734 00:33:35,841 --> 00:33:38,342 What do you say, Agent? 735 00:33:38,344 --> 00:33:41,428 Hmm? 736 00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:43,380 Deal? 737 00:33:47,102 --> 00:33:48,686 We checked the list he gave us, 738 00:33:48,688 --> 00:33:50,237 and then we went out to the locations 739 00:33:50,239 --> 00:33:52,106 where he said he'd dumped the bodies, 740 00:33:52,108 --> 00:33:54,391 and we found all 40. 741 00:33:54,393 --> 00:33:57,394 Did you actually make a deal with that maniac? 742 00:33:57,396 --> 00:33:59,396 We did. 743 00:33:59,398 --> 00:34:01,081 Not to bend to his will, 744 00:34:01,083 --> 00:34:04,368 but to bring the families of the victims some peace. 745 00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:06,704 I'd been on the case so long, I felt obligated 746 00:34:06,706 --> 00:34:09,707 to contact each of the families personally. 747 00:34:09,709 --> 00:34:11,175 Mrs. Ruth Thomas? 748 00:34:13,461 --> 00:34:17,514 I'm Agent David Rossi from the FBI. 749 00:34:17,516 --> 00:34:22,052 I have some information about your daughter Sarah. 750 00:34:22,054 --> 00:34:25,723 I'm afraid I've got bad news about Jessica... 751 00:34:30,111 --> 00:34:33,981 We found Chloe two days ago in Griffith park. 752 00:34:36,652 --> 00:34:40,654 I can't tell you how sorry I am for your loss. 753 00:34:46,962 --> 00:34:51,281 If I can do anything, anything at all, 754 00:34:51,283 --> 00:34:54,284 please don't hesitate. 755 00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:25,482 Does it ever get hard dealing with all that tragedy? 756 00:35:28,319 --> 00:35:29,787 You know, it's funny. 757 00:35:29,789 --> 00:35:32,656 Some cases, they end well, so you can forget them. 758 00:35:32,658 --> 00:35:35,092 And some, like this one... 759 00:35:35,094 --> 00:35:37,494 they become a part of you. 760 00:35:37,496 --> 00:35:39,663 Dead kids. 761 00:35:39,665 --> 00:35:41,348 Mutilated bodies. 762 00:35:41,350 --> 00:35:42,999 It's all so horrible. 763 00:35:43,001 --> 00:35:44,835 How do you do it? 764 00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:52,059 Irish statesman and author Edmund Burke once wrote, 765 00:35:52,061 --> 00:35:55,229 "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil 766 00:35:55,231 --> 00:35:58,198 is for good men to do nothing." 767 00:35:59,401 --> 00:36:02,286 This job isn't just what I do, 768 00:36:02,288 --> 00:36:04,288 it's who I am. 769 00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:06,123 Is it worth it? 770 00:36:06,125 --> 00:36:08,992 For every life we save? 771 00:36:08,994 --> 00:36:10,861 Damn right it is. 772 00:36:10,863 --> 00:36:12,413 Absolutely it's worth it. 773 00:36:12,415 --> 00:36:15,215 I can't imagine doing anything else. 774 00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:19,837 Yes, Mr. Zimmerman. 775 00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:24,007 So, you have to go visit this guy every year 776 00:36:24,009 --> 00:36:26,176 to get the name of another victim. 777 00:36:26,178 --> 00:36:28,011 That's right. 778 00:36:28,114 --> 00:36:30,315 So what was the special day of his choosing? 779 00:36:35,153 --> 00:36:37,255 You really don't want us to go with you? 780 00:36:37,257 --> 00:36:38,423 It's no trouble at all. 781 00:36:38,425 --> 00:36:39,374 No, it's ok. 782 00:36:39,376 --> 00:36:41,426 Rossi, it's like 2 hours away. 783 00:36:41,428 --> 00:36:43,761 Come on, I can drive. I'll get us there in less than an hour. 784 00:36:43,763 --> 00:36:44,829 I'm good, really. 785 00:36:44,831 --> 00:36:46,681 We could stop for dinner on the way home. 786 00:36:46,683 --> 00:36:47,665 Stop. 787 00:36:47,667 --> 00:36:49,884 All of you. I'll be fine. 788 00:36:49,886 --> 00:36:52,520 We'll see you tomorrow. 789 00:36:52,522 --> 00:36:54,505 You bet. 790 00:36:57,342 --> 00:36:59,611 Ohh, is he gonna be ok? 791 00:36:59,613 --> 00:37:01,512 Of course he is. 792 00:37:01,514 --> 00:37:03,698 It's Rossi. 793 00:37:47,076 --> 00:37:49,110 Agent Rossi. 794 00:37:49,112 --> 00:37:52,113 I can't believe it's been a year already. 795 00:37:52,115 --> 00:37:54,999 Time flies. 796 00:37:56,669 --> 00:37:59,621 Man, you must have some serious juice. 797 00:37:59,623 --> 00:38:02,957 Thought for sure we were gonna have to cancel. 798 00:38:02,959 --> 00:38:05,793 Riot in the yard, tight-ass warden. 799 00:38:05,795 --> 00:38:09,781 Whole place is locked down. 800 00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:14,385 Any plans for the big day? 801 00:38:16,972 --> 00:38:22,093 Come on. You should get out and do something. 802 00:38:22,095 --> 00:38:24,696 Never know how many of these you got left. 803 00:38:24,698 --> 00:38:26,197 What's her name? 804 00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:30,101 I used to hate birthdays when I was a kid. 805 00:38:30,103 --> 00:38:32,587 That's why I like celebrating yours. 806 00:38:32,589 --> 00:38:35,456 Her name. 807 00:38:44,583 --> 00:38:46,718 Took her in Eureka. 808 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,388 Drove her out to the Headwaters Forest Preserve 809 00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:52,740 up on Elk River Road. 810 00:38:53,792 --> 00:38:56,594 100 yards South of the trailhead, 811 00:38:56,596 --> 00:38:59,931 put her under a big old Sequoia. 812 00:39:14,864 --> 00:39:17,665 Open gate 241. 813 00:39:25,158 --> 00:39:29,711 * Happy Birthday to you * 814 00:39:30,997 --> 00:39:36,500 * Happy Birthday to you * 815 00:39:36,502 --> 00:39:43,507 * Happy Birthday, Agent Rossi * 816 00:39:43,509 --> 00:39:49,313 * Happy Birthday to you * 817 00:39:51,066 --> 00:39:54,202 And many more.59886

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