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Good morning.
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Oh. Hey. Morning.
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Everyone's gathered.
We're all ready if you are.
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Yeah, let's do it.
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You need that?
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Oh. Hey, uh,
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listen, Aaron...
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Thanks for letting me set this up.
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But the whole team really
didn't need to be here.
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I'm the one that owed the favor.
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Everyone insisted.
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How you doing?
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Sorry--what?
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You ok?
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Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I'm great.
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I'm good. Uh...
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I'll meet you over there in a minute, ok?
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It's rare that an undergraduate
criminology class
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gets guest speakers of this caliber.
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But today we're specially fortunate.
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I'd like to welcome an old friend,
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esteemed author and FBI Agent David Rossi,
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and his team, the Behavioral Analysis Unit.
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Now, they've agreed to spend
an hour of their valuable time
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talking about what they
do and how they do it.
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So let's make them feel welcome.
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Thank you, Dr. Grant.
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Now, when she said I was an old friend,
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she was just referring to the fact
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that we've known each other
for a very long time.
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Now, as the good Professor said,
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I am supervisory Special Agent Rossi.
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These are SSAs Jareau,
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Prentiss,
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Hotchner, and Morgan.
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This is Dr. Spencer Reid.
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And on keyboards today we
have our technical analyst
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Ms. Penelope Garcia.
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Hi.
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Now, in simple terms,
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at the BAU we use behavioral science,
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Rapists, terrorists,
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pedophiles,
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and our specialty,
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serial killers.
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Does anybody here know exactly
what a serial killer is?
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Someone who's committed
more than one murder.
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That's very good.
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By statute, 3 is the magic number.
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And it's actually more qualitative
than quantitative for us.
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And today we're going to talk about how some
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serial killers get made.
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Because if you can understand that,
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then you can figure out a way to catch them.
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Garcia.
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My liege.
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Ok, this is Rachel Moore,
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a 17-year-old runaway
from Spokane, Washington.
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Now, she grew up poor and in a broken home.
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Her mom left her dad because he
liked to drink and beat on her.
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And this is Tina Dyson,
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a 19-year-old college student from Seattle.
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Now, she was a trust fund kid,
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and she got straight As and
came from a loving family.
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Now, these two girls couldn't
be any more different.
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But the one thing that they had in common
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is they both crossed paths with
the most prolific serial killer
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the BAU has ever seen.
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One thing you should understand is
that no two killers are the same.
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They each occupy their own point
on the behavioral spectrum.
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Genetics, brain chemistry,
psychology, and environment
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are all factors.
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But we believe that this particular killer
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grew up in an environment so adverse
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that he never had a chance.
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Bastard!
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He endured years of cruel
and abject physical abuse.
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As well as horribly profound
psychological abuse.
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No. No!
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When he wasn't being ignored,
he was being humiliated.
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Let me in!
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Let me in! Let me in! Please!
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Now let me be clear.
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Most abused kids do not turn into killers.
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Not even all psychopaths become killers.
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But this particular unknown subject,
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or unsub,
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suffered extreme abuse,
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and it has everything to do
with why he does what he does.
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Now, these are some of his victims.
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He kidnapped them, he restrained them,
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and he starved them for days.
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Then he killed them by mutilating
their reproductive organs.
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Right now we know there
are at least 40 of them.
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But we believe that he may
eventually claim over 100 victims.
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Now, we chose this case for today
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because we've been discovering bodies
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up and down the West Coast since 1992.
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For lack of a better word,
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it's a classic.
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This unsub's entire childhood
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was a crucible,
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and in it, a psychotic killer was forged.
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The philosopher Voltaire wrote,
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"to the living we owe respect,
but to the dead
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we owe only the truth."
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The dead are the cornerstone of
every homicide investigation.
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Victims give us a look
into the killer's mind.
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If you want to know about a hunter,
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study his prey.
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Ok, so the unsub's first victims
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were discovered two weeks apart
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in 1992 in Seattle.
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The first victim that was
found was Rachel Moore.
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She was the runaway.
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Her body had been thrown
into a dumpster in an alley.
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The medical examiner said
that she was very malnourished
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and really dehydrated.
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The ligature marks on her wrists and ankles
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made it apparent that she'd
been restrained for days.
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He held her, but he didn't feed her.
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So she's weak.
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It's his sadistic way to subdue her.
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Several defensive wounds
on her hands and forearms.
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She put up a hell of a fight.
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That a girl.
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53 stab wounds to the lower
abdomen and genitals.
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The damage made it impossible to determine
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if there was any sexual assault.
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That might be a forensic countermeasure.
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Here's my report.
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Stay as long as you need.
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Her mother should be here in an hour.
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A hell of a way to see her after 2 years.
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53 stab wounds. That's a lot of work.
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Does anyone want to tell me
what they think that means?
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Hatred?
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Frustration.
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He's angry.
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You're all correct. It's called overkill.
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Typically it means the
murder was personal somehow.
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That, or the unsub is psychotic
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and/or prone to violent outbursts.
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The overkill may also show his inexperience.
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This was probably his first kill,
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and he was feeling his way through it,
working out his M.O.
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But there's a lot about Rachel
that tells us about the unsub.
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She was young, so most likely he was, too.
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What makes you think that?
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She lived in a shelter
and had a part-time job,
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so she was a street kid,
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but not necessarily the reckless type.
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She wouldn't just go off with anyone.
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Yeah, Warden, it's Rossi.
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What?
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Riot?
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W-w-w-wait.
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Look, he's not gonna give me a rain check.
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I have to see him today.
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So the unsub maybe lured her with a ruse
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or he blitz attacked her,
he took her by surprise.
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Now, either one of these would
be easier if you were young.
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You can tell all that from just one victim?
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I'd say it was two weeks later
when we found the second victim
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that we started to piece that together.
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Tina Dyson was home for the
summer when she disappeared.
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Her body was found in a shallow
grave just outside of Seattle.
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But it was actually her abduction site
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that gave us the answers we needed.
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Tina and two of her friends had fake I.D.s
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and they decided to go
to a local grunge bar.
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But they drank too much and Tina got sick,
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so while one friend was inside dancing,
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the other went out to hold Tina's hair.
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It's all right. Come on.
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I'm gonna go get Janice,
ok? We're going home.
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Ohh...Good, yeah.
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Ohh...Ohh...
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You ok?
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Yeah. Jeez, what are you, a ninja?
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Where'd you come from?
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So his anger is obviously directed at women.
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Yes, but the real question is why,
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and the why is what always
leads us to the who.
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I need to talk to you.
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He was attacking their genitals
and reproductive organs.
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Why?
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Was he impotent
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and hates the thing that he can't have?
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Did his wife or girlfriend abort a child?
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It's a federal prison, Dave.
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We can't just call them up
and tell them what to do.
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You have to know someone in
justice who can pull some strings.
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I've got to see him today, Aaron.
You know that.
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The possibilities are endless.
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And the unsub was figuring
it all out for himself, too.
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We know that because he was evolving.
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He started with a runaway,
a victim with a high-risk lifestyle.
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He probably knew that her
abduction would go unreported.
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Then he upped his game and
grabbed a college girl,
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which meant more risk for himself.
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He dumped his first
victim Rachel in an alley,
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but he took the time to bury Tina,
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which suggests he felt more connected to her
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and perhaps he even felt remorse.
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Did you ever catch this guy?
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Uh, what's your name, young man?
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David Zimmerman.
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Don't interrupt, Zimmerman.
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Now, we, uh, we knew we
needed to warn the public,
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so we contacted the media,
papers, local news.
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That was back before the Internet exploded.
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And then, as will happen from time to time,
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the case went completely cold.
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We didn't hear from him again until 1997.
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Two bodies were found in Golden Gate Park,
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in San Francisco.
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Same M.O.
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Evidently our guy.
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Excuse me, I'm looking for the case Agent.
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That would be me.
Agent Rossi, I'm Agent Hotchner,
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Seattle division. We spoke on the phone.
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Uh, I inherited the case from Agent Bidwell.
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Thanks for coming so quickly.
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Yeah, I hopped the first flight from Dulles.
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Came straight from the airport.
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That's a long trip. With bad food.
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Let me show you what we found.
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A jogger discovered the first
body dumped in the bushes
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about 30 yards over the road here.
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The M.E. said that she'd
been there almost a month.
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Any critters get to her?
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We had to use dental records to
identify her. Watch your step.
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So we did a search of the area
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and we discovered the second
body in this shallow grave.
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She'd been here less than a week.
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So, he dumped the first
one and buried the second.
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Just like he did in '92.
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The first victim-- was she a runaway?
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25-year-old prostitute and crack addict.
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The second?
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A 27-year-old mother of two.
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Both women had had their reproductive organs
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completely removed.
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Not just mangled. He's evolving.
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Sounds like he's moving more toward ritual.
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And apparently he's not
locked into an age preference.
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The victims seem to be aging along with him.
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What about stomach contents?
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The victims were dehydrated
and hadn't eaten in days.
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My guess is he hasn't been
back in Seattle in a while.
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What makes you say that?
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He needs someplace private to hold them.
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He might live close.
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Dumping a body in a public park is risky.
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It tells me that he's
comfortable, settled in.
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He might even have chosen
this spot to be able to come
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back and relive the kills.
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You've done your homework, Agent.
263
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5 years is a long time to be dormant.
264
00:12:40,015 --> 00:12:42,198
He wasn't dormant.
265
00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,203
A killer that vicious is like a drug addict
266
00:12:45,228 --> 00:12:46,420
that needs a fix.
267
00:12:46,421 --> 00:12:48,838
We were fairly certain that
he had kept on killing.
268
00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,673
We just hadn't found the bodies yet.
269
00:12:50,675 --> 00:12:53,009
Now, we knew that back in '92
270
00:12:53,011 --> 00:12:55,462
when the media went wide with the story,
271
00:12:55,464 --> 00:13:00,050
our unsub got spooked and he disappeared.
272
00:13:01,886 --> 00:13:04,854
So we tried to get in front of it,
273
00:13:04,856 --> 00:13:07,941
meaning that if we could control
the spread of information,
274
00:13:07,943 --> 00:13:10,393
we might be able to keep the
unsub from fleeing again.
275
00:13:10,395 --> 00:13:12,529
But back then the BAU was still young.
276
00:13:12,531 --> 00:13:16,082
We didn't have press liaisons
or technical analysts.
277
00:13:16,084 --> 00:13:17,458
By the time we contacted the media,
278
00:13:17,483 --> 00:13:19,374
the story had already broken.
279
00:13:25,826 --> 00:13:27,660
A symbol of the American west--
280
00:13:27,662 --> 00:13:29,329
a lone coyote hunts for prey.
281
00:13:29,331 --> 00:13:32,132
Agent Rossi, are you making any
progress in the investigation?
282
00:13:32,134 --> 00:13:33,416
Quite a bit, yes.
283
00:13:33,418 --> 00:13:35,301
So do you have any solid leads?
284
00:13:35,303 --> 00:13:36,252
Several.
285
00:13:36,254 --> 00:13:38,171
Agent Rossi, can you confirm the rumors
286
00:13:38,173 --> 00:13:40,540
that the Womb Raider
disembowels his victims?
287
00:13:40,542 --> 00:13:41,874
Excuse me?
288
00:13:41,876 --> 00:13:43,676
Can you confirms the rumors that the womb--
289
00:13:43,678 --> 00:13:45,595
Oh, I'll confirm something for you.
290
00:13:45,597 --> 00:13:48,098
Womb Raider is a name that you gave him.
291
00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:50,216
I won't glorify him. I call him a murderer.
292
00:13:50,218 --> 00:13:52,318
Then exactly how is he killing them?
293
00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,654
My only concern is capturing him
294
00:13:54,656 --> 00:13:57,490
and bringing closure to the
families of the victims.
295
00:13:57,492 --> 00:13:58,891
No further questions.
296
00:14:09,645 --> 00:14:11,095
"Womb Raider."
297
00:14:11,097 --> 00:14:13,564
I hoped the nickname would embolden him.
298
00:14:13,566 --> 00:14:17,819
Thought maybe he would escalate
and trip on his own hubris.
299
00:14:17,821 --> 00:14:20,688
But, um, that didn't happen.
300
00:14:20,690 --> 00:14:23,107
Unfortunately, he vanished
just like he'd done before
301
00:14:23,109 --> 00:14:24,592
and the trail went cold again.
302
00:14:24,594 --> 00:14:25,943
We did everything we could.
303
00:14:25,945 --> 00:14:28,780
We had every division up
and down the West Coast
304
00:14:28,782 --> 00:14:31,115
scouring missing person reports.
305
00:14:31,117 --> 00:14:34,902
A lot of possibilities, but no clear hits.
306
00:14:34,904 --> 00:14:37,421
In the meantime, Agent Rossi retired,
307
00:14:37,423 --> 00:14:39,423
but the BAU grew.
308
00:14:39,425 --> 00:14:41,626
We trained more profilers,
309
00:14:41,628 --> 00:14:44,212
hired tech analysts, press liaisons,
310
00:14:44,214 --> 00:14:45,913
and we even got our own resident genius.
311
00:14:45,915 --> 00:14:47,849
Thank you. Thank you.
312
00:14:50,253 --> 00:14:52,103
Agent Rossi, why did you retire?
313
00:14:53,222 --> 00:14:55,356
That's a good question.
314
00:14:55,358 --> 00:14:58,425
Well, the simple answer
is I needed a change.
315
00:14:58,427 --> 00:15:00,695
I was working on my third divorce, and...
316
00:15:00,697 --> 00:15:01,762
Third?
317
00:15:01,764 --> 00:15:03,865
Yes, Zimmerman, my third.
318
00:15:05,235 --> 00:15:07,434
So I needed a break,
and I figured writing books
319
00:15:07,436 --> 00:15:10,104
might help give me some peace of mind.
320
00:15:10,106 --> 00:15:12,907
Did it? Give you peace of mind?
321
00:15:12,909 --> 00:15:15,076
For a time, yes.
322
00:15:15,078 --> 00:15:17,784
In 2005, we got another hit on the unsub,
323
00:15:17,809 --> 00:15:18,747
this time in Los Angeles.
324
00:15:18,748 --> 00:15:21,249
We knew it was him because of his signature.
325
00:15:21,251 --> 00:15:22,750
Sorry, what's a signature?
326
00:15:22,752 --> 00:15:24,886
It's a rare combination of M.O. and ritual
327
00:15:24,888 --> 00:15:27,889
that allows us to link cases over
time and geographic distances.
328
00:15:27,891 --> 00:15:31,142
Her name was Lana Cooper.
She was a 33-year-old prostitute.
329
00:15:31,144 --> 00:15:35,263
Her body was found by a boy
walking his dog in Griffith Park.
330
00:15:35,265 --> 00:15:38,966
Ligature marks on her wrists and ankles.
She was restrained.
331
00:15:38,968 --> 00:15:40,768
And he gave her a complete hysterectomy.
332
00:15:40,770 --> 00:15:44,572
The uterus, ovaries,
fallopian tubes, all removed.
333
00:15:44,574 --> 00:15:47,325
A little crude, but he cut
all the right ligaments.
334
00:15:47,327 --> 00:15:48,826
He knew what he was doing.
335
00:15:48,828 --> 00:15:50,328
What about her throat?
336
00:15:50,330 --> 00:15:53,331
That was done postmortem.
He cut out her vocal cords.
337
00:15:53,333 --> 00:15:55,833
Might be a symbolic way
of keeping her silent.
338
00:15:55,835 --> 00:15:58,452
So she was alive when he
performed the hysterectomy.
339
00:15:58,454 --> 00:16:00,421
Anything in her stomach?
340
00:16:00,423 --> 00:16:02,673
Dry as a bone. She hadn't eaten in days.
341
00:16:02,675 --> 00:16:04,258
So he starved her, too.
342
00:16:04,260 --> 00:16:05,693
That's a pretty specific M.O.
343
00:16:05,695 --> 00:16:07,211
This probably isn't his first victim.
344
00:16:07,213 --> 00:16:09,597
I wonder if we should be looking
at doctors and medical students.
345
00:16:09,599 --> 00:16:11,265
It's definitely not his first victim.
346
00:16:11,267 --> 00:16:13,718
I don't think he's a doctor
or a medical student.
347
00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,020
No. Calling Gideon?
348
00:16:16,022 --> 00:16:18,356
The first call I made was to Agent Rossi.
349
00:16:18,358 --> 00:16:19,774
I knew he was writing his book,
350
00:16:19,776 --> 00:16:24,779
but I didn't want to start to
build a profile without him.
351
00:16:24,781 --> 00:16:27,982
A profile is personality and
identifying characteristics
352
00:16:27,984 --> 00:16:31,336
of the unsub which helps
the investigator narrow
353
00:16:31,361 --> 00:16:32,520
down the suspect pool.
354
00:16:32,521 --> 00:16:34,155
Basically it's a behavioral description
355
00:16:34,157 --> 00:16:37,124
of the type of person we
think the unsub might be.
356
00:16:37,126 --> 00:16:38,326
It goes a little like this--
357
00:16:38,328 --> 00:16:40,328
we were looking for a white male
358
00:16:40,330 --> 00:16:42,246
in his early to mid-30s.
359
00:16:42,248 --> 00:16:45,633
We think he was antisocial
and had low self-esteem,
360
00:16:45,635 --> 00:16:47,201
so he probably kept to himself.
361
00:16:47,203 --> 00:16:48,753
But he needed money,
362
00:16:48,755 --> 00:16:51,587
so he was most likely a
day laborer, a janitor,
363
00:16:51,612 --> 00:16:52,707
maybe a handyman.
364
00:16:52,708 --> 00:16:54,541
Anything menial and temporary.
365
00:16:54,543 --> 00:16:56,928
He was personable enough to
get a job wherever he went,
366
00:16:56,930 --> 00:16:59,847
but unassuming enough not to stick out.
367
00:16:59,849 --> 00:17:01,983
He held and restrained his victims for days,
368
00:17:01,985 --> 00:17:04,551
so he would need a
contained space to do that.
369
00:17:04,553 --> 00:17:07,388
But he was also mobile.
That meant he had his own transport.
370
00:17:07,390 --> 00:17:09,390
Most likely a truck or a van.
371
00:17:09,392 --> 00:17:12,443
And when he was on the move and not settled,
372
00:17:12,445 --> 00:17:13,894
he probably lived out of that vehicle.
373
00:17:13,896 --> 00:17:15,413
We knew he always started with a victim
374
00:17:15,415 --> 00:17:17,081
who lived a high-risk lifestyle,
375
00:17:17,083 --> 00:17:19,417
like a prostitute or a runaway.
376
00:17:19,419 --> 00:17:22,870
And then he moved on to a victim
with a low-risk lifestyle.
377
00:17:22,872 --> 00:17:25,433
So we knew his next kill
would be something of
378
00:17:25,458 --> 00:17:27,458
a soccer mom in her 30s.
379
00:17:28,795 --> 00:17:31,431
I'm sorry, but what exactly
was he doing with the organs
380
00:17:31,456 --> 00:17:32,848
he was removing?
381
00:17:32,849 --> 00:17:35,266
We didn't know. It could have
been some sort of fetish.
382
00:17:35,268 --> 00:17:36,767
Russian serial killer Andrei Chikatilo
383
00:17:36,769 --> 00:17:38,602
actually ate the uterus
of one of his victims.
384
00:17:38,604 --> 00:17:40,054
Oh, my God, eew.
385
00:17:40,056 --> 00:17:41,889
This focus on reproductive organs
386
00:17:41,891 --> 00:17:44,483
could also indicate a deep-seated sense
387
00:17:44,508 --> 00:17:45,694
of self-loathing.
388
00:17:45,695 --> 00:17:48,229
He might have hated the
fact that he was born.
389
00:17:48,231 --> 00:17:50,147
Or he had some sort of
traumatic life-changing event
390
00:17:50,149 --> 00:17:51,598
associated with birth.
391
00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,735
And he could have hated his own mother.
392
00:17:54,737 --> 00:17:57,425
The strained mother-child
relationship is a hallmark
393
00:17:57,450 --> 00:17:58,290
for many killers.
394
00:17:58,291 --> 00:17:59,740
That doesn't make any sense.
395
00:17:59,742 --> 00:18:01,742
I hate myself or I hate my mother,
396
00:18:01,744 --> 00:18:05,212
so I kill women by ripping out their wombs?
397
00:18:05,214 --> 00:18:07,531
It only needs to make sense to him.
398
00:18:07,533 --> 00:18:10,251
One man's logic is another man's crazy.
399
00:18:10,253 --> 00:18:12,253
What's the deal with the vocal cords?
400
00:18:12,255 --> 00:18:13,921
That was something new.
401
00:18:13,923 --> 00:18:16,123
We thought it might have been
symbolic of his own silence.
402
00:18:16,125 --> 00:18:18,125
He was raised to believe he
was worthless and unwanted,
403
00:18:18,127 --> 00:18:20,094
so essentially he never had his own voice.
404
00:18:20,096 --> 00:18:22,580
His victims became surrogates for his rage
405
00:18:22,582 --> 00:18:26,717
and a means by which to exact his revenge.
406
00:18:37,112 --> 00:18:40,281
We stayed in L.A.
for 6 weeks and worked the case.
407
00:18:40,283 --> 00:18:42,283
And then it went cold, again.
408
00:18:42,285 --> 00:18:44,318
No low-risk soccer mom turned up,
409
00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:45,953
no soccer moms went missing.
410
00:18:45,955 --> 00:18:47,755
Then our resources were exhausted,
411
00:18:47,757 --> 00:18:50,157
we had other cases,
so we were forced to leave.
412
00:18:50,159 --> 00:18:52,943
But I rented a house in the Hollywood Hills
413
00:18:52,945 --> 00:18:55,346
and decided to finish my book out there.
414
00:18:55,348 --> 00:18:58,920
I figured if I was close I could lend a hand
415
00:18:58,945 --> 00:19:00,585
if something happened.
416
00:19:00,586 --> 00:19:03,888
3 months I stayed and nothing.
417
00:19:06,391 --> 00:19:09,276
Now, in the past he packed up and moved
418
00:19:09,278 --> 00:19:11,729
when the story broke and we got too close.
419
00:19:11,731 --> 00:19:14,065
But this time the media was quiet.
420
00:19:14,067 --> 00:19:17,952
The victim was a hooker nobody cared about.
421
00:19:17,954 --> 00:19:20,121
So, what drove him under?
422
00:19:20,123 --> 00:19:23,524
It would be 4 years before
we got another break.
423
00:19:23,526 --> 00:19:28,162
Not too long after,
I came out of retirement.
424
00:19:31,633 --> 00:19:32,800
What?
425
00:19:32,802 --> 00:19:35,302
Rochelle Jenkins, a 40-year-old prostitute
426
00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:36,837
was found dumped in an alley in Seattle.
427
00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:38,806
She was given a complete hysterectomy.
428
00:19:38,808 --> 00:19:41,842
Her vocal cords were cut out, too.
429
00:19:41,844 --> 00:19:44,395
He's back where he got started.
430
00:19:44,397 --> 00:19:47,348
He'll be on the hunt for a
low-risk victim in her 40s next.
431
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:50,684
I wonder what brought him home.
432
00:19:50,686 --> 00:19:52,887
It's a long trip. We should get going.
433
00:19:52,889 --> 00:19:55,990
But this time we were ready for him.
434
00:19:55,992 --> 00:19:58,242
We wanted to use the press to our advantage.
435
00:19:58,244 --> 00:20:02,163
So we came up with what's called
a targeted media strategy.
436
00:20:02,165 --> 00:20:04,281
Agent, is it true you
have a suspect in custody?
437
00:20:04,283 --> 00:20:05,833
Yes, he's being questioned as we speak.
438
00:20:05,835 --> 00:20:08,619
Can you tell us how you apprehended him?
439
00:20:08,621 --> 00:20:11,872
With good police work,
especially from the Seattle P.D.
440
00:20:11,874 --> 00:20:13,624
and the Washington State Patrol.
441
00:20:13,626 --> 00:20:15,577
Is it true that the
killer's been on the loose
442
00:20:15,602 --> 00:20:16,711
since the early nineties?
443
00:20:16,712 --> 00:20:19,296
That remains to be seen, but we do believe
444
00:20:19,298 --> 00:20:20,931
we can link him to several murders.
445
00:20:20,933 --> 00:20:23,917
Thank you. Now, if you'll excuse us,
we've got work to do.
446
00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:25,219
So you did catch him.
447
00:20:25,221 --> 00:20:29,723
No. But we wanted him to think
we caught the wrong guy.
448
00:20:29,725 --> 00:20:30,691
Why?
449
00:20:30,693 --> 00:20:32,610
To give him a false sense of security.
450
00:20:32,612 --> 00:20:35,404
If he thinks we messed up,
then maybe he relaxes
451
00:20:35,429 --> 00:20:36,948
and makes a mistake.
452
00:20:36,949 --> 00:20:39,450
That, or he gets angry because
he thinks someone else
453
00:20:39,452 --> 00:20:40,901
is stealing his thunder.
454
00:20:40,903 --> 00:20:42,486
Either way, the aim of the strategy
455
00:20:42,488 --> 00:20:44,321
is the throw the killer off course.
456
00:20:44,323 --> 00:20:46,157
Otherwise, all we're
doing is reacting to him,
457
00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:49,210
and we needed him to react to us.
458
00:20:49,212 --> 00:20:51,078
Lord knows I love him,
but here's to a night without him.
459
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,380
Husbands, too. To the kids.
460
00:20:53,382 --> 00:20:54,582
Ok, fine, have it your way.
461
00:20:54,584 --> 00:20:56,634
We're too old for this.
462
00:20:56,636 --> 00:20:58,002
Speak for yourself.
463
00:20:58,004 --> 00:21:02,089
Ok, ladies, bottoms up,
lick, drink, suck. Yeah?
464
00:21:04,059 --> 00:21:05,426
Mm!
465
00:21:05,428 --> 00:21:07,561
Whoo-hoo! Ha ha!
466
00:21:07,563 --> 00:21:09,963
She's whoo-hooing,
you know we're in for a long night.
467
00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:12,466
We need some more water.
468
00:21:12,468 --> 00:21:14,802
We should get another round.
469
00:21:16,355 --> 00:21:17,821
You're insane.
470
00:21:22,778 --> 00:21:25,362
Play date tomorrow? Meet me at the park?
471
00:21:25,364 --> 00:21:27,414
Can't. Soccer game and
birthday party. Sunday?
472
00:21:27,416 --> 00:21:28,449
Ok. Sure.
473
00:21:28,451 --> 00:21:29,667
You all right to drive?
474
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:30,984
That drink was what,
475
00:21:30,986 --> 00:21:32,703
two hours and a big dinner ago.
476
00:21:32,705 --> 00:21:34,821
I'm fine. Go. Are you sure?
477
00:21:34,823 --> 00:21:35,822
Bye, sweetie.
478
00:21:35,824 --> 00:21:36,823
Bye, girls.
479
00:21:36,825 --> 00:21:37,875
I'll talk to you soon, ok?
480
00:21:37,877 --> 00:21:39,293
Ok. Yes.
481
00:21:39,295 --> 00:21:41,128
Good night.
482
00:21:42,430 --> 00:21:45,132
Hey, honey. I'm on the way home.
483
00:21:45,134 --> 00:21:46,517
How are the boys?
484
00:21:47,503 --> 00:21:50,671
Oh, it was fun. Everyone says hi. Ok.
485
00:21:50,673 --> 00:21:52,673
Love you, too.
486
00:21:52,675 --> 00:21:55,809
Bye.
487
00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:15,198
He's been moving south this whole time.
488
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,068
He could have gone east
or bounced back up north,
489
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:20,070
but no, always south.
490
00:22:20,072 --> 00:22:21,905
Almost like he's running from something.
491
00:22:21,907 --> 00:22:23,272
Well, he's running from us.
492
00:22:23,274 --> 00:22:25,625
But why go back home now,
after all these years?
493
00:22:25,627 --> 00:22:27,210
Something brought him back.
494
00:22:27,212 --> 00:22:29,045
Rochelle Jenkins was in her 40s,
495
00:22:29,047 --> 00:22:30,580
so we can assume he is, too.
496
00:22:30,582 --> 00:22:33,049
Ok, so why do people come home at that age?
497
00:22:33,051 --> 00:22:36,002
Family, special occasions, funeral.
498
00:22:36,004 --> 00:22:37,003
Wait a minute.
499
00:22:37,005 --> 00:22:39,172
You guys have your own jet?
500
00:22:39,174 --> 00:22:42,258
Yes, Zimmerman, as a matter of fact, we do.
501
00:22:43,261 --> 00:22:44,311
Show them, Penelope.
502
00:22:44,313 --> 00:22:45,962
One second...
503
00:22:45,964 --> 00:22:47,814
Ok. There you go.
504
00:22:47,816 --> 00:22:49,316
Ooh... Pretty sweet, huh?
505
00:22:49,318 --> 00:22:50,317
Yeah.
506
00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:54,988
Hey, guys, a missing persons
report just came in.
507
00:22:54,990 --> 00:22:56,823
42 years old, Grace Powell, mother of two,
508
00:22:56,825 --> 00:22:58,425
went out for girls night, never came home.
509
00:22:58,427 --> 00:22:59,943
That's gotta be him.
510
00:22:59,945 --> 00:23:02,329
Garcia, where did he take her from?
511
00:23:02,331 --> 00:23:03,413
Um...
512
00:23:03,415 --> 00:23:05,915
I recognized the place immediately.
513
00:23:05,917 --> 00:23:09,485
It was hard to forget.
514
00:23:09,487 --> 00:23:13,623
This is where he took
Tina Dyson from in '92.
515
00:23:13,625 --> 00:23:15,675
This restaurant was a dive bar.
516
00:23:15,677 --> 00:23:17,677
A dive bar? In this neighborhood?
517
00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:19,162
Things were different then.
518
00:23:19,164 --> 00:23:20,647
He didn't just come back home.
519
00:23:20,649 --> 00:23:22,432
He returned to the exact same spot.
520
00:23:22,434 --> 00:23:25,518
But why here? What is it about this place?
521
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,421
It's where he grabbed
one of his first kills.
522
00:23:28,423 --> 00:23:30,590
The first ones are always significant.
523
00:23:30,592 --> 00:23:32,942
And this is where my particular
skill set comes in handy.
524
00:23:32,944 --> 00:23:37,197
See, I am like one of those
wonderful people in prison movies
525
00:23:37,199 --> 00:23:38,698
that can get you anything you need.
526
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:40,867
And we needed to know
everything there was to know
527
00:23:40,869 --> 00:23:42,652
about this particular part of the city.
528
00:23:42,654 --> 00:23:44,070
So I went honey badger.
529
00:23:44,072 --> 00:23:46,740
I dug up police reports, news articles,
530
00:23:46,742 --> 00:23:48,158
parking tickets, even.
531
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,860
If anything went down in that
area in the last 40 years,
532
00:23:50,862 --> 00:23:52,195
I knew about it.
533
00:23:52,197 --> 00:23:53,496
And I found zip.
534
00:23:53,498 --> 00:23:55,131
Zero. Stingy with the dinero.
535
00:23:55,133 --> 00:23:57,533
Couple of Fender-benders. A bar fight.
536
00:23:57,535 --> 00:23:59,719
There was a homeless guy who
was into mooning people,
537
00:23:59,721 --> 00:24:01,921
but no life-changers.
538
00:24:01,923 --> 00:24:04,707
So I extended my search another 10 years
539
00:24:04,709 --> 00:24:06,209
and I found this.
540
00:24:07,544 --> 00:24:11,514
This is a police report from 1966,
541
00:24:11,516 --> 00:24:13,850
where a 16-year-old girl was found raped
542
00:24:13,852 --> 00:24:15,885
in a parked car on that street.
543
00:24:15,887 --> 00:24:17,353
But she was a minor,
544
00:24:17,355 --> 00:24:18,938
so her name wasn't listed on the report.
545
00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:21,608
Well, what's this girl got
to do with a serial killer?
546
00:24:21,610 --> 00:24:24,327
Pump your brakes, sweetcakes,
'cause I'm bringing it home.
547
00:24:24,329 --> 00:24:26,429
It turns out that Jane Doe,
instead of given a name,
548
00:24:26,431 --> 00:24:28,281
she was given a patient number.
549
00:24:28,283 --> 00:24:29,532
So I tracked that number,
550
00:24:29,534 --> 00:24:32,118
and it turned out that she
went back to that hospital
551
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,721
several times after...
552
00:24:34,723 --> 00:24:36,706
for prenatal care.
553
00:24:36,708 --> 00:24:39,008
And she eventually brought
that baby to term.
554
00:24:45,232 --> 00:24:49,636
Aah!
555
00:24:49,638 --> 00:24:51,805
She hemorrhaged badly during childbirth,
556
00:24:51,807 --> 00:24:54,340
and during her emergency hysterectomy
557
00:24:54,342 --> 00:24:56,226
she died.
558
00:24:57,261 --> 00:24:59,312
It was at that point that I was able to find
559
00:24:59,314 --> 00:25:01,264
the corresponding death certificate
560
00:25:01,266 --> 00:25:03,032
and get her name.
561
00:25:03,034 --> 00:25:04,734
Georgina Yates.
562
00:25:04,736 --> 00:25:06,936
Her son Thomas Yates survived.
563
00:25:06,938 --> 00:25:09,205
He was put into the custody
of his grandparents
564
00:25:09,207 --> 00:25:11,908
Trudy and Roy Yates, Georgina's parents.
565
00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:16,246
When we started looking at Thomas...
566
00:25:16,248 --> 00:25:17,881
We knew.
567
00:25:17,883 --> 00:25:19,549
Growing up, he got kicked
out of two schools,
568
00:25:19,551 --> 00:25:21,835
both times for starting fires.
569
00:25:21,837 --> 00:25:23,786
Fire-starting is the first part
570
00:25:23,788 --> 00:25:26,306
of what we used to call the homicidal triad.
571
00:25:26,308 --> 00:25:29,625
The other two parts are
bedwetting and cruelty to animals.
572
00:25:29,627 --> 00:25:32,095
He was also in the emergency
room a lot as a kid.
573
00:25:32,097 --> 00:25:35,215
He had a broken arm, burns,
he broke a rib once.
574
00:25:35,217 --> 00:25:38,768
So he was either very clumsy
or he was being beaten.
575
00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:41,771
Then when he was 15,
he committed his first murder.
576
00:25:41,773 --> 00:25:46,142
He was a skinny kid who snapped
and stabbed a bully at school.
577
00:25:52,482 --> 00:25:55,118
He was convicted, served 3 years in juvey,
578
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:58,154
another 7 in prison,
and then he was released on parole.
579
00:25:58,156 --> 00:25:59,973
But when he was on the inside,
580
00:25:59,975 --> 00:26:02,058
he spilled his guts to the prison shrink.
581
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,660
He talked about how his
grandmother would starve him
582
00:26:04,662 --> 00:26:06,145
and make him sleep in the dog house.
583
00:26:06,147 --> 00:26:08,014
How she would beat him senseless...
584
00:26:08,016 --> 00:26:09,349
I wish you were never born!
585
00:26:09,351 --> 00:26:10,884
And sit on him until he couldn't breathe.
586
00:26:10,886 --> 00:26:12,001
You're a curse!
587
00:26:12,003 --> 00:26:13,636
I hate you!
588
00:26:13,638 --> 00:26:15,471
And you actually believed this guy?
589
00:26:15,473 --> 00:26:17,941
The prison psychiatrist
concluded that Thomas
590
00:26:17,943 --> 00:26:19,726
was telling the truth.
591
00:26:19,728 --> 00:26:21,060
His childhood medical records
592
00:26:21,062 --> 00:26:23,630
also corroborated this story.
593
00:26:23,632 --> 00:26:25,448
And at that point we
realized it wasn't the mother
594
00:26:25,450 --> 00:26:27,617
but the grandmother who was
the object of his rage.
595
00:26:27,619 --> 00:26:29,852
I have Senator Hendricks on the line.
596
00:26:29,854 --> 00:26:31,738
Then I find out his
grandfather had just died,
597
00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:33,740
and his grandmother had lung cancer
598
00:26:33,742 --> 00:26:37,160
and she had just been
admitted into hospice care.
599
00:26:37,162 --> 00:26:42,181
And that is what brought Thomas home.
600
00:26:50,707 --> 00:26:54,310
Excuse me, uh, Mrs. Trudy Yates?
601
00:26:54,312 --> 00:26:55,812
Who are you?
602
00:26:55,814 --> 00:26:58,431
I'm Agent Prentiss. This is Agent Jareau.
We're with the FBI.
603
00:26:58,433 --> 00:27:01,050
FBI? You got the right Trudy Yates?
604
00:27:01,052 --> 00:27:03,653
Yes, I'm pretty sure we do, ma'am.
605
00:27:03,655 --> 00:27:05,188
You're Thomas' grandmother, right?
606
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:06,356
What about it?
607
00:27:06,358 --> 00:27:07,523
We're looking for him.
608
00:27:07,525 --> 00:27:10,443
Tommy? He in trouble?
609
00:27:10,445 --> 00:27:12,579
What'd he do this time?
610
00:27:12,581 --> 00:27:13,830
Do you know where he is?
611
00:27:13,832 --> 00:27:14,998
No idea.
612
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,617
When was the last time you saw him?
613
00:27:17,619 --> 00:27:20,236
The day he put me in this damn place.
614
00:27:20,238 --> 00:27:23,339
My daughter's womb was cursed.
615
00:27:23,341 --> 00:27:26,125
That boy was a bastard born in sin.
616
00:27:26,127 --> 00:27:29,045
Nothing good comes out of sin.
617
00:27:32,049 --> 00:27:33,650
This is all we have. Thank you so much.
618
00:27:33,652 --> 00:27:36,219
Please give us a call if
you think of anything else.
619
00:27:36,221 --> 00:27:37,387
Will do.
620
00:27:37,389 --> 00:27:38,888
Thank you.
621
00:27:45,263 --> 00:27:46,696
Baby, what can I do you for?
622
00:27:46,698 --> 00:27:48,564
Hey, mama, I need you to run a number.
623
00:27:48,566 --> 00:27:52,035
206-555-0112.
624
00:27:52,037 --> 00:27:54,871
Okey-dokey. It is a prepaid cell phone,
hasn't been used in days.
625
00:27:54,873 --> 00:27:56,372
And what about this address?
626
00:27:56,374 --> 00:27:59,108
2334 Dawson Street, unit K.
627
00:27:59,110 --> 00:28:01,711
Hold yourself, please.
628
00:28:04,748 --> 00:28:09,785
Unit K? He needs to be more
isolated than an apartment.
629
00:28:09,787 --> 00:28:11,620
It was a storage container.
630
00:28:11,622 --> 00:28:13,560
The same storage container
where his grandmother's
631
00:28:13,585 --> 00:28:15,585
stuff was being held.
632
00:28:33,577 --> 00:28:35,695
You smell that?
633
00:28:35,697 --> 00:28:38,314
It's coffee.
634
00:28:39,816 --> 00:28:42,368
FBI!
635
00:28:42,370 --> 00:28:44,003
Drop it.
636
00:28:47,324 --> 00:28:49,658
Thomas Yates, you're under arrest.
637
00:28:53,847 --> 00:28:56,099
She's still got a pulse.
638
00:28:56,101 --> 00:28:58,501
Calling an ambulance.
639
00:28:58,503 --> 00:29:00,103
Agent Rossi.
640
00:29:00,105 --> 00:29:04,107
Nice to meet you after all these years.
641
00:29:07,534 --> 00:29:10,176
We got Grace Powell to the hospital in time
642
00:29:10,276 --> 00:29:11,325
and they saved her life.
643
00:29:11,327 --> 00:29:12,627
Though I'm not sure
644
00:29:12,629 --> 00:29:15,713
her psychological wounds will ever heal.
645
00:29:15,715 --> 00:29:17,548
How come I've never heard of this guy?
646
00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:20,167
Have you ever heard of Efren Saldivar?
647
00:29:20,169 --> 00:29:21,168
No.
648
00:29:21,170 --> 00:29:23,220
David Parker Ray.
649
00:29:23,222 --> 00:29:25,840
How about John Edward Robinson?
650
00:29:25,842 --> 00:29:30,094
See, at any given time,
we have at least 25 open cases.
651
00:29:30,096 --> 00:29:32,430
Every year we're able to close around 15,
652
00:29:32,432 --> 00:29:35,182
yet new ones still seem to pop up.
653
00:29:35,184 --> 00:29:38,436
There are more serial killers
out there than you may think.
654
00:29:38,438 --> 00:29:41,138
But we finally had Yates in custody,
655
00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:44,325
and we questioned him
for two weeks straight.
656
00:29:44,327 --> 00:29:46,610
We all took turns.
657
00:29:46,612 --> 00:29:48,412
He didn't say a word.
658
00:29:48,414 --> 00:29:49,981
Never asked for a bathroom break,
659
00:29:49,983 --> 00:29:51,916
glass of water, nothing.
660
00:29:51,918 --> 00:29:54,418
I thought given his M.O., being female,
661
00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:57,621
I might be able to strike a nerve,
get him to open up,
662
00:29:57,623 --> 00:30:00,991
but he just sat there, for hours.
663
00:30:00,993 --> 00:30:03,127
Staying absolutely silent
under that kind of pressure
664
00:30:03,129 --> 00:30:05,796
was a skill he undoubtedly
learned as a child.
665
00:30:05,798 --> 00:30:07,298
He was rendered silent for so long,
666
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,100
it became a conditioned response.
667
00:30:09,102 --> 00:30:11,385
But we had him safely in custody.
668
00:30:11,387 --> 00:30:13,387
And we had other cases to solve.
669
00:30:13,389 --> 00:30:16,173
Eventually Yates was tried and
he received the death penalty.
670
00:30:16,175 --> 00:30:18,309
And life went on.
671
00:30:18,311 --> 00:30:22,012
Then two years ago today...
672
00:30:22,014 --> 00:30:23,464
I got a call.
673
00:30:27,186 --> 00:30:28,819
Rossi.
674
00:30:28,821 --> 00:30:30,821
You have a call from an inmate
675
00:30:30,823 --> 00:30:32,289
in a correctional facility.
676
00:30:32,291 --> 00:30:34,241
Inmate, state your name.
677
00:30:34,243 --> 00:30:36,293
It's Tommy Yates.
678
00:30:36,295 --> 00:30:38,662
This call may be monitored and recorded.
679
00:30:38,664 --> 00:30:40,364
Press 2 if you accept the charges.
680
00:30:40,366 --> 00:30:41,716
If not, hang up.
681
00:30:41,718 --> 00:30:44,268
He called you personally?
How'd he get your number?
682
00:30:44,270 --> 00:30:45,820
Probably from his attorney.
683
00:30:45,822 --> 00:30:47,088
What did he want?
684
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:48,556
He wanted to make a deal,
685
00:30:48,558 --> 00:30:51,375
and I was the only one
he would make it with.
686
00:31:06,324 --> 00:31:09,160
Can we be alone, please?
687
00:31:22,174 --> 00:31:23,674
What do you want?
688
00:31:23,676 --> 00:31:25,176
Nice to see you, too.
689
00:31:25,178 --> 00:31:27,344
Why am I here, Yates?
690
00:31:27,346 --> 00:31:28,745
I told you.
691
00:31:28,747 --> 00:31:30,731
I want to make a deal.
692
00:31:32,517 --> 00:31:34,301
You're on death row,
693
00:31:34,303 --> 00:31:38,639
not exactly a strong negotiating position.
694
00:31:40,609 --> 00:31:43,760
I've got something for you.
695
00:31:43,762 --> 00:31:45,762
It's a present.
696
00:31:45,764 --> 00:31:47,531
Open it.
697
00:31:47,533 --> 00:31:48,732
What is it?
698
00:31:48,734 --> 00:31:50,985
Open it and see.
699
00:31:54,122 --> 00:31:56,657
You shouldn't have.
700
00:32:00,445 --> 00:32:03,080
Surprise.
701
00:32:03,082 --> 00:32:06,083
Those are some of the girls I took.
702
00:32:06,085 --> 00:32:09,720
The ones you didn't find.
703
00:32:09,722 --> 00:32:12,373
There's 40 there.
704
00:32:16,428 --> 00:32:18,095
Why should I believe you?
705
00:32:18,097 --> 00:32:20,314
I thought you might ask that.
706
00:32:20,316 --> 00:32:22,566
It's all part of the deal.
707
00:32:22,568 --> 00:32:24,151
Look, let's get something straight.
708
00:32:24,153 --> 00:32:25,486
There is no deal.
709
00:32:25,488 --> 00:32:26,487
Not yet.
710
00:32:26,489 --> 00:32:28,189
Not ever.
711
00:32:28,191 --> 00:32:31,642
There's actually 101 names.
712
00:32:31,644 --> 00:32:34,361
And I remember all of them.
713
00:32:34,363 --> 00:32:37,414
And I'll tell you where I put them.
714
00:32:37,416 --> 00:32:39,917
Here's what I want.
715
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:42,536
One--no death penalty.
716
00:32:42,538 --> 00:32:44,872
I don't care if I rot in here.
717
00:32:44,874 --> 00:32:47,675
But no chair and no injections.
718
00:32:47,677 --> 00:32:51,045
2--I want a transfer to the East Coast.
719
00:32:51,047 --> 00:32:54,131
Grandma's dead. Nothing holding me here.
720
00:32:54,133 --> 00:32:59,553
Plus, I like the idea of snow in the winter.
721
00:32:59,555 --> 00:33:01,672
Never really had that growing up.
722
00:33:01,674 --> 00:33:05,943
I didn't come all this way
to get smoke blown up my ass.
723
00:33:05,945 --> 00:33:08,178
After I get my sentence commuted
724
00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:09,813
and my transfer,
725
00:33:09,815 --> 00:33:11,649
I'll give you more names.
726
00:33:11,651 --> 00:33:13,701
But only one each year.
727
00:33:13,703 --> 00:33:16,487
To keep you honest.
728
00:33:16,489 --> 00:33:18,289
You understand.
729
00:33:19,857 --> 00:33:21,325
Anything else?
730
00:33:21,327 --> 00:33:23,210
Yes.
731
00:33:23,212 --> 00:33:26,964
I get to decide when you get the name.
732
00:33:26,966 --> 00:33:30,501
It'll be on a special day of my choosing.
733
00:33:30,503 --> 00:33:35,839
And you have to come and
get it from me personally.
734
00:33:35,841 --> 00:33:38,342
What do you say, Agent?
735
00:33:38,344 --> 00:33:41,428
Hmm?
736
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:43,380
Deal?
737
00:33:47,102 --> 00:33:48,686
We checked the list he gave us,
738
00:33:48,688 --> 00:33:50,237
and then we went out to the locations
739
00:33:50,239 --> 00:33:52,106
where he said he'd dumped the bodies,
740
00:33:52,108 --> 00:33:54,391
and we found all 40.
741
00:33:54,393 --> 00:33:57,394
Did you actually make a
deal with that maniac?
742
00:33:57,396 --> 00:33:59,396
We did.
743
00:33:59,398 --> 00:34:01,081
Not to bend to his will,
744
00:34:01,083 --> 00:34:04,368
but to bring the families
of the victims some peace.
745
00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:06,704
I'd been on the case so long,
I felt obligated
746
00:34:06,706 --> 00:34:09,707
to contact each of the families personally.
747
00:34:09,709 --> 00:34:11,175
Mrs. Ruth Thomas?
748
00:34:13,461 --> 00:34:17,514
I'm Agent David Rossi from the FBI.
749
00:34:17,516 --> 00:34:22,052
I have some information
about your daughter Sarah.
750
00:34:22,054 --> 00:34:25,723
I'm afraid I've got bad
news about Jessica...
751
00:34:30,111 --> 00:34:33,981
We found Chloe two days
ago in Griffith park.
752
00:34:36,652 --> 00:34:40,654
I can't tell you how
sorry I am for your loss.
753
00:34:46,962 --> 00:34:51,281
If I can do anything, anything at all,
754
00:34:51,283 --> 00:34:54,284
please don't hesitate.
755
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:25,482
Does it ever get hard dealing
with all that tragedy?
756
00:35:28,319 --> 00:35:29,787
You know, it's funny.
757
00:35:29,789 --> 00:35:32,656
Some cases, they end well,
so you can forget them.
758
00:35:32,658 --> 00:35:35,092
And some, like this one...
759
00:35:35,094 --> 00:35:37,494
they become a part of you.
760
00:35:37,496 --> 00:35:39,663
Dead kids.
761
00:35:39,665 --> 00:35:41,348
Mutilated bodies.
762
00:35:41,350 --> 00:35:42,999
It's all so horrible.
763
00:35:43,001 --> 00:35:44,835
How do you do it?
764
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:52,059
Irish statesman and author
Edmund Burke once wrote,
765
00:35:52,061 --> 00:35:55,229
"The only thing necessary
for the triumph of evil
766
00:35:55,231 --> 00:35:58,198
is for good men to do nothing."
767
00:35:59,401 --> 00:36:02,286
This job isn't just what I do,
768
00:36:02,288 --> 00:36:04,288
it's who I am.
769
00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:06,123
Is it worth it?
770
00:36:06,125 --> 00:36:08,992
For every life we save?
771
00:36:08,994 --> 00:36:10,861
Damn right it is.
772
00:36:10,863 --> 00:36:12,413
Absolutely it's worth it.
773
00:36:12,415 --> 00:36:15,215
I can't imagine doing anything else.
774
00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:19,837
Yes, Mr. Zimmerman.
775
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:24,007
So, you have to go visit this guy every year
776
00:36:24,009 --> 00:36:26,176
to get the name of another victim.
777
00:36:26,178 --> 00:36:28,011
That's right.
778
00:36:28,114 --> 00:36:30,315
So what was the special day of his choosing?
779
00:36:35,153 --> 00:36:37,255
You really don't want us to go with you?
780
00:36:37,257 --> 00:36:38,423
It's no trouble at all.
781
00:36:38,425 --> 00:36:39,374
No, it's ok.
782
00:36:39,376 --> 00:36:41,426
Rossi, it's like 2 hours away.
783
00:36:41,428 --> 00:36:43,761
Come on, I can drive. I'll get
us there in less than an hour.
784
00:36:43,763 --> 00:36:44,829
I'm good, really.
785
00:36:44,831 --> 00:36:46,681
We could stop for dinner on the way home.
786
00:36:46,683 --> 00:36:47,665
Stop.
787
00:36:47,667 --> 00:36:49,884
All of you. I'll be fine.
788
00:36:49,886 --> 00:36:52,520
We'll see you tomorrow.
789
00:36:52,522 --> 00:36:54,505
You bet.
790
00:36:57,342 --> 00:36:59,611
Ohh, is he gonna be ok?
791
00:36:59,613 --> 00:37:01,512
Of course he is.
792
00:37:01,514 --> 00:37:03,698
It's Rossi.
793
00:37:47,076 --> 00:37:49,110
Agent Rossi.
794
00:37:49,112 --> 00:37:52,113
I can't believe it's been a year already.
795
00:37:52,115 --> 00:37:54,999
Time flies.
796
00:37:56,669 --> 00:37:59,621
Man, you must have some serious juice.
797
00:37:59,623 --> 00:38:02,957
Thought for sure we were
gonna have to cancel.
798
00:38:02,959 --> 00:38:05,793
Riot in the yard, tight-ass warden.
799
00:38:05,795 --> 00:38:09,781
Whole place is locked down.
800
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:14,385
Any plans for the big day?
801
00:38:16,972 --> 00:38:22,093
Come on. You should get
out and do something.
802
00:38:22,095 --> 00:38:24,696
Never know how many of these you got left.
803
00:38:24,698 --> 00:38:26,197
What's her name?
804
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:30,101
I used to hate birthdays when I was a kid.
805
00:38:30,103 --> 00:38:32,587
That's why I like celebrating yours.
806
00:38:32,589 --> 00:38:35,456
Her name.
807
00:38:44,583 --> 00:38:46,718
Took her in Eureka.
808
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,388
Drove her out to the
Headwaters Forest Preserve
809
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:52,740
up on Elk River Road.
810
00:38:53,792 --> 00:38:56,594
100 yards South of the trailhead,
811
00:38:56,596 --> 00:38:59,931
put her under a big old Sequoia.
812
00:39:14,864 --> 00:39:17,665
Open gate 241.
813
00:39:25,158 --> 00:39:29,711
* Happy Birthday to you *
814
00:39:30,997 --> 00:39:36,500
* Happy Birthday to you *
815
00:39:36,502 --> 00:39:43,507
* Happy Birthday, Agent Rossi *
816
00:39:43,509 --> 00:39:49,313
* Happy Birthday to you *
817
00:39:51,066 --> 00:39:54,202
And many more.59886
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