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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 2 00:00:12,009 --> 00:00:14,439 We will begin the session now. 3 00:00:14,469 --> 00:00:17,839 You will remain aware of everything that goes on. 4 00:00:17,859 --> 00:00:19,108 Okay. 5 00:00:19,148 --> 00:00:21,058 We're going to find an incident in your life 6 00:00:21,108 --> 00:00:22,848 you have an exact record of. 7 00:00:22,868 --> 00:00:26,318 Then by sending you through it at the time it happened, 8 00:00:26,348 --> 00:00:28,619 we're going to reduce it. 9 00:00:28,659 --> 00:00:31,118 We will reduce the pain. 10 00:00:31,158 --> 00:00:34,128 Go to the beginning of that incident. 11 00:00:34,158 --> 00:00:35,658 Tell me what's happening. 12 00:00:35,708 --> 00:00:37,248 Well, these things get all so... 13 00:00:37,298 --> 00:00:38,658 I joined in 198... 14 00:00:38,698 --> 00:00:40,748 It was a bunch of young kids, like I was young... 15 00:00:40,798 --> 00:00:44,247 We were all very heated, very excited about this. 16 00:00:46,557 --> 00:00:49,337 Can you recall a time when you were happy? 17 00:00:49,377 --> 00:00:52,888 I think the first time I saw Hubbard, and I was in awe... 18 00:00:52,928 --> 00:00:54,977 We did, because you thought we were doing good. 19 00:00:55,017 --> 00:00:56,677 I mean, so you had some gratification. 20 00:00:56,717 --> 00:00:58,727 I felt a tremendous amount of relief. 21 00:00:58,767 --> 00:01:00,847 I got the answers for everything 22 00:01:00,887 --> 00:01:02,147 within the religion. 23 00:01:02,187 --> 00:01:04,017 What are you most afraid of? 24 00:01:04,057 --> 00:01:05,986 It was dark. 3:00 in the morning, 25 00:01:06,026 --> 00:01:07,726 there's a knock on the hotel-room door. 26 00:01:07,736 --> 00:01:09,686 Stop! I'll say whatever you want, 27 00:01:09,726 --> 00:01:11,197 I'll write up anything that you want. 28 00:01:11,227 --> 00:01:13,407 I flipped out. I started punching holes in the walls. 29 00:01:13,447 --> 00:01:15,667 Things didn't seem quite right. 30 00:01:15,697 --> 00:01:19,236 And you just feel so foolish at that point. 31 00:01:19,256 --> 00:01:22,086 Do you have a secret you're afraid I'll find out? 32 00:01:22,126 --> 00:01:23,586 Yes. Yes. 33 00:01:25,546 --> 00:01:27,346 Go to the beginning of that incident. 34 00:01:27,376 --> 00:01:30,375 Okay, all right. 35 00:01:30,415 --> 00:01:31,915 Tell me about it. 36 00:01:31,935 --> 00:01:34,936 I was 21 years old, 37 00:01:34,966 --> 00:01:37,636 living in London, Ontario, Canada. 38 00:01:37,686 --> 00:01:39,766 I wanted to be a documentary filmmaker. 39 00:01:39,806 --> 00:01:41,935 And someone had told me 40 00:01:41,975 --> 00:01:45,355 about what they called... They said, "there's this cult 41 00:01:45,395 --> 00:01:48,865 "in New York called scientology," 42 00:01:48,895 --> 00:01:50,265 which I'd never heard of. 43 00:01:50,285 --> 00:01:53,094 "And if you give them all your money, 44 00:01:53,114 --> 00:01:55,805 "they'll make anything possible in your life." 45 00:01:56,935 --> 00:01:59,375 And about six months later, i was walking down the street. 46 00:01:59,405 --> 00:02:01,945 This guy was there selling books. 47 00:02:01,975 --> 00:02:03,975 And I realized they were all the same book... 48 00:02:04,015 --> 00:02:05,774 "Dianetics," 49 00:02:05,794 --> 00:02:08,244 which again, i had never heard of. 50 00:02:08,284 --> 00:02:11,554 He handed me one and asked me to look at it. 51 00:02:11,584 --> 00:02:13,634 He was talking. I wasn't really listening to him. 52 00:02:13,674 --> 00:02:15,835 I opened the cover and it said... 53 00:02:15,895 --> 00:02:18,954 Stamped on the inside page, it said "church of scientology." 54 00:02:18,974 --> 00:02:22,594 And I said, "take me there." 55 00:02:22,634 --> 00:02:24,764 All right. All right, here we go. 56 00:02:24,794 --> 00:02:27,764 I'm not a great multitasker. 57 00:02:27,814 --> 00:02:31,483 You know, and if I feel like doing something, that's what I do. 58 00:02:31,523 --> 00:02:35,443 And, uh, I was into this shit, 59 00:02:35,473 --> 00:02:37,694 and I was becoming an auditor. 60 00:02:37,774 --> 00:02:41,243 Like, I was in scientology probably four months, 61 00:02:41,283 --> 00:02:45,663 and I had done more than John Travolta had done, 62 00:02:45,703 --> 00:02:49,553 and he'd been there for 85 years or some shit. 63 00:02:50,623 --> 00:02:52,822 My agents called, you know, "you got an audition." 64 00:02:52,862 --> 00:02:55,462 "Eh, fuck it, I don't really..." You know what I mean? 65 00:02:55,492 --> 00:02:57,493 I was on... I'm on a spiritual adventure, 66 00:02:57,533 --> 00:03:00,603 and this was like, "whoa, this is an interesting road." 67 00:03:00,633 --> 00:03:02,633 You know? 68 00:03:02,673 --> 00:03:07,222 So, uh, what was the question? 69 00:03:07,272 --> 00:03:11,862 So tell me, how was it you first got involved in scientology? 70 00:03:11,892 --> 00:03:14,812 Well, I was introduced to it by some friends. 71 00:03:14,862 --> 00:03:17,862 I don't know if they said it or if it was just talked about 72 00:03:17,902 --> 00:03:20,062 by others that they had super powers. 73 00:03:20,122 --> 00:03:23,122 And I... I was, like, really young, 74 00:03:23,152 --> 00:03:25,702 but I thought, "I'd like to have super powers!" 75 00:03:25,742 --> 00:03:29,961 But also I had done so much... 76 00:03:29,991 --> 00:03:31,131 Political-social work. 77 00:03:31,161 --> 00:03:34,801 So this really looked like... That it was a solution 78 00:03:34,831 --> 00:03:36,801 to handling a lot of the world's problems. 79 00:03:36,831 --> 00:03:39,501 Instead of trying to handle things en masse, 80 00:03:39,551 --> 00:03:41,141 you could deal with it person by person, 81 00:03:41,171 --> 00:03:45,341 make each person better, and thus the world would get better and surer. 82 00:03:57,100 --> 00:03:58,720 Well, thank you very much, 83 00:03:58,740 --> 00:04:01,891 and welcome to our whole new world. 84 00:04:01,911 --> 00:04:04,730 It's a world where the operative phrase reads... 85 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:06,910 "Exceeding all expectations, 86 00:04:06,950 --> 00:04:09,030 "transcending all parameters, 87 00:04:09,070 --> 00:04:12,000 "extending the boundaries beyond any boundary, 88 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,619 "not to mention godspeed, lightning speed, 89 00:04:15,669 --> 00:04:19,239 "and a quantum leap in sheer rapidity of progress up the bridge." 90 00:04:23,650 --> 00:04:27,319 We're out to make every life extraordinary. 91 00:04:27,349 --> 00:04:31,419 And if by chance it ever seems laborious or a sacrifice, 92 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:36,139 then you are looking at the offramps instead of the highway. 93 00:04:36,189 --> 00:04:39,528 You are missing the signpost up ahead, 94 00:04:39,558 --> 00:04:43,699 the one that reads, "next stop, infinity." 95 00:04:47,489 --> 00:04:51,618 Probably my favorite concept of scientology 96 00:04:51,658 --> 00:04:53,958 is a world without criminality, 97 00:04:53,988 --> 00:04:57,208 a world without war, and a world without insanity. 98 00:04:57,248 --> 00:05:00,548 And I know of no other group 99 00:05:00,578 --> 00:05:03,497 that their goals are that clear. 100 00:05:03,547 --> 00:05:09,008 Look, I don't... You name me another philosophy, 101 00:05:09,058 --> 00:05:11,478 religion, or technology 102 00:05:11,508 --> 00:05:15,977 that one of its main goals... Besides the three i mentioned earlier... 103 00:05:16,017 --> 00:05:20,297 Where joy is the operative concept. 104 00:05:24,357 --> 00:05:26,817 These are the times now, people. 105 00:05:26,857 --> 00:05:31,447 Okay? These are the times we will all remember. 106 00:05:31,477 --> 00:05:33,277 Were you there? 107 00:05:33,317 --> 00:05:35,497 What did you do? 108 00:05:36,367 --> 00:05:38,086 So what do you say? Can we clean this place up? 109 00:05:38,116 --> 00:05:40,416 Yeah! 110 00:05:40,456 --> 00:05:43,586 Okay. Because we're counting on you. 111 00:05:43,626 --> 00:05:46,507 Okay? 112 00:05:46,547 --> 00:05:48,757 All right? To lrh! 113 00:05:50,716 --> 00:05:51,996 Hip-hip... Hooray! 114 00:05:52,016 --> 00:05:53,296 Hip-hip... Hooray! 115 00:05:53,336 --> 00:05:55,136 Hip-hip... Hooray! 116 00:05:58,936 --> 00:06:01,935 Scientology is such a subject of fascination for people. 117 00:06:01,975 --> 00:06:04,645 How did you get engaged in the story? 118 00:06:04,675 --> 00:06:06,895 Well, I've always been interested in religions 119 00:06:06,945 --> 00:06:10,696 and why people believe one idea rather than another. 120 00:06:10,736 --> 00:06:15,255 I've studied Jonestown, radical islam. 121 00:06:15,285 --> 00:06:18,055 They're oftentimes good-hearted people... 122 00:06:18,085 --> 00:06:22,525 Idealistic, but full of a kind of crushing certainty 123 00:06:22,545 --> 00:06:25,364 that eliminates doubt. 124 00:06:25,384 --> 00:06:29,245 You know, my goal wasn't to write an exposã©. 125 00:06:29,305 --> 00:06:31,885 It was simply to understand scientology, 126 00:06:31,925 --> 00:06:34,425 trying to understand what people get out of it. 127 00:06:34,475 --> 00:06:36,534 You know, why do they go into it in the first place? 128 00:06:36,554 --> 00:06:40,394 I was interested in intelligent and skeptical people 129 00:06:40,424 --> 00:06:42,814 who are drawn into a belief system 130 00:06:42,844 --> 00:06:44,984 and wind up acting on those beliefs 131 00:06:45,014 --> 00:06:47,604 in ways they never thought they would. 132 00:06:57,414 --> 00:06:59,524 The church of scientology turned out to be 133 00:06:59,564 --> 00:07:01,733 two offices above a woolworth's store. 134 00:07:01,743 --> 00:07:04,413 He asked me, "what's ruining your life?" 135 00:07:04,503 --> 00:07:06,233 I said, "oh, I'm in love. 136 00:07:06,253 --> 00:07:08,173 "I'm in love with this woman. It's impossible. 137 00:07:08,203 --> 00:07:09,953 "I don't know what to do. I need some help." 138 00:07:10,003 --> 00:07:12,593 And he said, "we can help you with that." 139 00:07:12,623 --> 00:07:14,263 I said, "really?" "Yes." 140 00:07:14,293 --> 00:07:17,243 And I ran home and got her, and I said, "we have to sign up for this. 141 00:07:17,263 --> 00:07:20,093 "It sounds really good. It could save our relationship." 142 00:07:20,133 --> 00:07:23,712 So we both signed up the next day to do a course, 143 00:07:23,752 --> 00:07:26,382 which I think cost $50. 144 00:07:26,422 --> 00:07:28,252 The thing that absolutely got me 145 00:07:28,272 --> 00:07:29,722 and stayed with me forever 146 00:07:29,762 --> 00:07:31,812 was the very first thing i read when you open the course pack, 147 00:07:31,862 --> 00:07:33,893 and it said... I'm paraphrasing... 148 00:07:33,933 --> 00:07:37,762 "Don't believe any of this. If it works for you, great. 149 00:07:37,782 --> 00:07:40,262 "If it doesn't, discard it." 150 00:07:40,282 --> 00:07:42,622 I was troubled by the fact that they called it a religion, 151 00:07:42,652 --> 00:07:45,272 but I figured, "oh, it's some tax scam. It's fine with me. 152 00:07:45,292 --> 00:07:47,821 "I don't really care about that as long as it works." 153 00:07:47,871 --> 00:07:52,041 The first exercise, after you do all this reading and stuff like that, 154 00:07:52,081 --> 00:07:55,332 is this thing called o-t-t-r-0, 155 00:07:55,382 --> 00:07:58,782 which is basically, you stand... you sit 156 00:07:58,802 --> 00:08:02,301 just like this, eyes closed, 157 00:08:02,341 --> 00:08:05,421 three feet away from somebody who's doing the same thing, 158 00:08:05,461 --> 00:08:09,511 and you basically confront them. 159 00:08:10,930 --> 00:08:12,180 You know? 160 00:08:12,230 --> 00:08:16,981 And in scientology lingo, 161 00:08:17,021 --> 00:08:18,971 I went exterior. 162 00:08:18,991 --> 00:08:21,471 Exteriorizing is what they call it. 163 00:08:21,491 --> 00:08:24,410 You know, you leave your body. 164 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:29,650 So it was a... transcendent experience for me., 165 00:08:29,670 --> 00:08:32,170 and that made me go, "holy fucking shit, 166 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,290 "this is... wow." 167 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,490 I was reading books, going to lectures, and going to things... 168 00:08:37,510 --> 00:08:41,260 Different events at the mission... at the local Santa Clara mission. 169 00:08:41,290 --> 00:08:43,990 And then I knew i wanted to join the sea org 170 00:08:44,010 --> 00:08:45,880 and get really involved as soon as I could, 171 00:08:45,930 --> 00:08:48,299 which would be right out of high school. 172 00:08:48,379 --> 00:08:51,849 Sea org is the most fraternal order of the organization. 173 00:08:51,889 --> 00:08:55,169 It's people who really, really believe in the cause 174 00:08:55,189 --> 00:08:57,860 and sign a billion-year contract, 175 00:08:57,890 --> 00:09:01,529 which I did when I was... You know, as soon as I could. 176 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,619 I left skid marks getting to that billion-year contract. 177 00:09:04,649 --> 00:09:07,349 You thought you were doing something good, 178 00:09:07,369 --> 00:09:11,408 to have a positive effect on all of mankind. 179 00:09:11,458 --> 00:09:12,858 That's what Howard says. 180 00:09:12,908 --> 00:09:15,628 Everything you do for endless trillions of years 181 00:09:15,658 --> 00:09:18,999 depends on what you do here and now within scientology. 182 00:09:27,208 --> 00:09:29,208 I began to ask this question, 183 00:09:29,228 --> 00:09:32,338 "what is man?" And I found, oddly enough, 184 00:09:32,378 --> 00:09:34,597 that nobody could tell me what man was. 185 00:09:34,647 --> 00:09:37,717 What did he consist of? Where was he going? 186 00:09:37,727 --> 00:09:40,738 What was he doing? 187 00:09:40,768 --> 00:09:43,388 To really know life, you've got to be part of life. 188 00:09:43,408 --> 00:09:44,908 You must get down and look. 189 00:09:44,938 --> 00:09:49,387 You must get into the nooks and crannies of existence, 190 00:09:49,407 --> 00:09:52,327 the... you have to rub elbows 191 00:09:52,367 --> 00:09:55,447 with all kinds and types of men 192 00:09:55,497 --> 00:09:57,996 before you can finally establish what he is. 193 00:09:58,036 --> 00:09:59,836 And you in fact did this? 194 00:09:59,866 --> 00:10:02,867 Yes, I've slept with bandits in Mongolia, 195 00:10:02,927 --> 00:10:06,787 and I've hunted with, uh, 196 00:10:06,847 --> 00:10:08,877 pygmies in the Philippines. 197 00:10:08,907 --> 00:10:14,746 Matter of fact, I've studied 21 different primitive races, 198 00:10:14,766 --> 00:10:17,686 including the white race. 199 00:10:17,716 --> 00:10:21,926 And my conclusions were 200 00:10:21,956 --> 00:10:25,426 that man is a spiritual being 201 00:10:25,446 --> 00:10:28,396 that was pulled down to the material, 202 00:10:28,426 --> 00:10:31,096 the fleshly interests, 203 00:10:31,116 --> 00:10:35,265 to an interplay in life that was, in fact, 204 00:10:35,285 --> 00:10:37,485 too great for him to confront. 205 00:10:37,535 --> 00:10:39,785 And I concluded, finally, 206 00:10:39,825 --> 00:10:41,825 that he needed a hand. 207 00:10:46,545 --> 00:10:48,615 To understand scientology, 208 00:10:48,635 --> 00:10:51,255 you have to understand the life and mind of its inventor, 209 00:10:51,285 --> 00:10:52,805 l. Ron Hubbard. 210 00:10:52,835 --> 00:10:55,335 Hubbard was a prolific writer. 211 00:10:55,395 --> 00:10:57,754 He actually holds the "guinness book of world records" 212 00:10:57,794 --> 00:10:59,454 for the number of books published... 213 00:10:59,474 --> 00:11:01,264 More than 1,000. 214 00:11:01,294 --> 00:11:04,815 Hubbard got his start in the depression writing Pulp Fiction, 215 00:11:04,845 --> 00:11:06,685 named for the cheap paper used. 216 00:11:06,735 --> 00:11:08,814 Writers were paid a penny a word, 217 00:11:08,854 --> 00:11:11,634 so hey had to write a lot to make money. 218 00:11:11,654 --> 00:11:13,654 Hubbard hammered away so fast 219 00:11:13,694 --> 00:11:15,494 on long rolls of butcher paper 220 00:11:15,524 --> 00:11:18,144 that he used to drop sweat on his typewriter. 221 00:11:21,313 --> 00:11:24,253 Hubbard's career took off when he began to write for a magazine 222 00:11:24,283 --> 00:11:27,034 called "astounding science fiction." 223 00:11:27,084 --> 00:11:30,754 Along with authors like Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein, 224 00:11:30,794 --> 00:11:32,923 Hubbard wrote stories with a sense of mission... 225 00:11:32,963 --> 00:11:35,923 To get man to the stars. 226 00:11:39,553 --> 00:11:44,012 He found his true mã©tier in science fiction. 227 00:11:44,052 --> 00:11:47,473 And a lot of what scientology is 228 00:11:47,503 --> 00:11:50,103 he had previously written about in the form 229 00:11:50,143 --> 00:11:51,973 of his science fiction. 230 00:11:52,013 --> 00:11:55,033 He had the ability to fabricate these amazing tales, 231 00:11:55,063 --> 00:11:59,702 and he transported those imaginary stories 232 00:11:59,732 --> 00:12:02,372 into his theology. 233 00:12:08,542 --> 00:12:12,332 After Pearl Harbor, Hubbard took command of a sub chaser, 234 00:12:12,362 --> 00:12:15,162 but he was still a man prone to invention. 235 00:12:15,202 --> 00:12:18,532 He would write that he sunk two Japanese subs, 236 00:12:18,552 --> 00:12:20,841 but, in fact, just off the coast of Oregon, 237 00:12:20,871 --> 00:12:23,541 he opened fire on what turned out to be a log 238 00:12:23,561 --> 00:12:25,561 and dropped most of his depth chargers 239 00:12:25,591 --> 00:12:28,812 on underwater magnetic rocks. 240 00:12:28,852 --> 00:12:31,381 When he accidentally shelled a Mexican island, 241 00:12:31,401 --> 00:12:34,571 he was relieved of his command. 242 00:12:36,321 --> 00:12:37,551 After the war, 243 00:12:37,571 --> 00:12:39,101 Hubbard ended up in Los Angeles 244 00:12:39,161 --> 00:12:43,560 where he settled in with a small group of seekers and visionaries. 245 00:12:43,580 --> 00:12:46,610 A guy named Jack Parsons, a fascinating man, 246 00:12:46,660 --> 00:12:50,161 was one of the founders of the jet-propulsion laboratory. 247 00:12:50,201 --> 00:12:53,671 And there's actually a crater on the moon named after Jack. 248 00:12:53,701 --> 00:12:56,540 He was a significant scientific figure, 249 00:12:56,570 --> 00:12:58,840 but he was also the head honcho 250 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,210 in this black magic cult. 251 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,740 It was called the o.T.O., 252 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,250 or the ordo templi orientis. 253 00:13:05,260 --> 00:13:08,969 They followed the teachings of aleister crowley, 254 00:13:09,019 --> 00:13:13,220 a famous sexual magic figure in england. 255 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:16,560 Parsons had a mansion in Pasadena. 256 00:13:16,610 --> 00:13:18,439 They would have ceremonies, 257 00:13:18,479 --> 00:13:21,149 and they were seeking some sort of goddess figure 258 00:13:21,199 --> 00:13:22,929 that he could impregnate 259 00:13:22,949 --> 00:13:25,569 in order to create the antichrist. 260 00:13:25,619 --> 00:13:30,318 Hubbard moved in and became Parsons' assistant. 261 00:13:31,408 --> 00:13:33,569 One night, this beautiful redhead 262 00:13:33,609 --> 00:13:36,739 named Marjorie Cameron showed up at the door. 263 00:13:36,779 --> 00:13:40,159 She was perfectly willing to engage in this sexual ritual 264 00:13:40,219 --> 00:13:43,628 in order, supposedly, to produce the antichrist. 265 00:13:43,668 --> 00:13:45,838 She and Jack eventually got married. 266 00:13:45,888 --> 00:13:49,218 That happened after Hubbard ran off with Jack's girlfriend, 267 00:13:49,258 --> 00:13:51,088 Sara Northrup. 268 00:13:52,228 --> 00:13:53,429 Scientology and Hubbard 269 00:13:53,459 --> 00:13:54,958 would later refuse to acknowledge 270 00:13:54,978 --> 00:13:56,978 his relationship with Sara. 271 00:13:57,018 --> 00:13:59,428 But we uncovered Sara's own recollections 272 00:13:59,468 --> 00:14:01,598 of her time with Hubbard. 273 00:14:03,438 --> 00:14:06,207 He was 13 years older than I was. 274 00:14:06,237 --> 00:14:08,487 I thought he was a great war hero, 275 00:14:08,577 --> 00:14:12,147 a captain of a ship that had been downed in the pacific. 276 00:14:12,157 --> 00:14:14,418 And he was weeks on a raft, 277 00:14:14,448 --> 00:14:16,318 and he'd been blinded by the sun, 278 00:14:16,348 --> 00:14:18,497 and his back had been broken. 279 00:14:18,537 --> 00:14:20,647 All these things were complete lies, 280 00:14:20,667 --> 00:14:22,917 but I didn't know it at the time. 281 00:14:22,957 --> 00:14:25,227 I believed every word of it. 282 00:14:25,257 --> 00:14:28,677 If only Sara had seen Hubbard's military records. 283 00:14:28,707 --> 00:14:30,596 In a 900-page file, 284 00:14:30,626 --> 00:14:34,296 Hubbard's activities are laid out in extraordinary detail. 285 00:14:34,336 --> 00:14:36,997 Hubbard told people that he had been blinded and crippled 286 00:14:37,017 --> 00:14:39,467 during the war, and the practices that would form 287 00:14:39,507 --> 00:14:42,676 the basis of scientology had cured him. 288 00:14:42,696 --> 00:14:44,946 But his records show that his only wounds 289 00:14:44,976 --> 00:14:48,116 were mild arthritis and conjunctivitis. 290 00:14:51,686 --> 00:14:54,115 We had this terrible fight, 291 00:14:54,155 --> 00:14:56,856 and he told me he was going to commit suicide 292 00:14:56,876 --> 00:14:58,856 if I didn't marry him. 293 00:14:58,876 --> 00:15:01,076 I really believed him, 294 00:15:01,126 --> 00:15:03,546 so we got married. 295 00:15:05,745 --> 00:15:09,715 We spent the winter in that lighthouse on the lake in the poconos. 296 00:15:09,755 --> 00:15:11,665 I remember one awful night, 297 00:15:11,705 --> 00:15:14,165 when I was asleep and he was out typing... 298 00:15:14,205 --> 00:15:16,874 And he hit me across the side of the head 299 00:15:16,894 --> 00:15:18,505 with a .45... 300 00:15:18,545 --> 00:15:21,015 Because I was smiling in my sleep, 301 00:15:21,045 --> 00:15:23,725 and he said I was thinking about somebody else. 302 00:15:23,765 --> 00:15:26,185 I got up, left the house, 303 00:15:26,215 --> 00:15:28,484 and walked on the ice of the lake. 304 00:15:28,514 --> 00:15:30,684 I was terrified. 305 00:15:30,724 --> 00:15:32,484 He always said that he would kill me 306 00:15:32,524 --> 00:15:34,824 rather than let me leave him. 307 00:15:37,824 --> 00:15:40,664 The only good thing i got from Ron 308 00:15:40,694 --> 00:15:42,914 was my baby. 309 00:15:48,534 --> 00:15:50,334 We moved to Elizabeth, New Jersey, 310 00:15:50,374 --> 00:15:52,743 and he started writing "dianetics." 311 00:15:52,763 --> 00:15:54,873 The book was conceived 312 00:15:54,913 --> 00:15:57,243 and he started working on it in 1950. 313 00:15:57,263 --> 00:16:01,604 He said many times that the only way to make any real money 314 00:16:01,634 --> 00:16:03,214 was to have a religion. 315 00:16:03,254 --> 00:16:06,773 That's essentially what he was trying to do with "dianetics"... 316 00:16:06,803 --> 00:16:09,973 Get a religion where he could have an income 317 00:16:10,023 --> 00:16:12,393 and the government wouldn't take it away from him 318 00:16:12,423 --> 00:16:14,563 in the form of taxes. 319 00:16:18,532 --> 00:16:20,762 "Dianetics" was an immense success. 320 00:16:20,782 --> 00:16:23,623 From the moment it was published in 1950, 321 00:16:23,653 --> 00:16:27,872 it swept through America and other countries around the world. 322 00:16:27,912 --> 00:16:30,992 This book... That's the background of all of this. 323 00:16:31,042 --> 00:16:32,292 That's what started all the trouble. 324 00:16:32,332 --> 00:16:36,712 We expected this to sell about 6,000 copies, 325 00:16:36,752 --> 00:16:39,781 and it hit the top of the bestseller list of "the New York times" 326 00:16:39,801 --> 00:16:42,421 and just stayed there, month in, month out. 327 00:16:42,472 --> 00:16:44,622 It was like i started an avalanche. 328 00:16:44,642 --> 00:16:47,622 The modern science of mental health" 329 00:16:47,642 --> 00:16:51,681 is considered to be the fundamental text, 330 00:16:51,731 --> 00:16:56,371 which is the foundation upon which all else is built. 331 00:16:58,171 --> 00:17:00,441 One of the theories of "dianetics" 332 00:17:00,471 --> 00:17:04,141 is to discover these things that are very traumatic 333 00:17:04,161 --> 00:17:05,941 or have been very upsetting to you, 334 00:17:05,981 --> 00:17:08,951 and if you can observe 335 00:17:08,981 --> 00:17:11,171 exactly what happened, 336 00:17:11,201 --> 00:17:14,151 the power of that incident 337 00:17:14,171 --> 00:17:16,200 to influence you today 338 00:17:16,260 --> 00:17:18,510 is removed. 339 00:17:19,660 --> 00:17:21,760 The concept of "dianetics" 340 00:17:21,790 --> 00:17:24,760 is that you have two sides of your mind. 341 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,260 There is the analytical side, 342 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:29,600 which is a perfect computer. 343 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,170 It remembers everything. It's flawless. 344 00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:34,190 It never makes a mistake. 345 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:36,670 And then there's a reactive side. 346 00:17:36,690 --> 00:17:40,029 And this is where all your neuroses, anxieties, 347 00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:41,309 and fears are stored. 348 00:17:41,349 --> 00:17:44,679 And where do they come from? They come from engrams. 349 00:17:44,699 --> 00:17:47,900 An engram is like a memory. 350 00:17:47,950 --> 00:17:49,820 A man has an automobile accident. 351 00:17:49,860 --> 00:17:51,569 He has a picture of an automobile accident. 352 00:17:51,619 --> 00:17:53,519 He has all the sensations of having been hurt 353 00:17:53,539 --> 00:17:56,189 in the automobile accident. It takes him a long time to recover, 354 00:17:56,209 --> 00:17:58,209 because he's still wearing the automobile accident. 355 00:17:58,249 --> 00:17:59,459 If you said, "hey, why don't you take 356 00:17:59,499 --> 00:18:01,669 "this automobile accident and throw it away?" 357 00:18:01,699 --> 00:18:03,218 Well, all of a sudden, he recovers 358 00:18:03,248 --> 00:18:05,248 from the automobile accident, naturally, 359 00:18:05,298 --> 00:18:07,549 because the thing that's keeping it impressed upon him 360 00:18:07,589 --> 00:18:10,009 and his body is his mind. 361 00:18:12,179 --> 00:18:15,008 An auditor is a practitioner in scientology. 362 00:18:15,058 --> 00:18:17,708 He listens and he computes. 363 00:18:17,728 --> 00:18:20,068 We have a meter. 364 00:18:20,098 --> 00:18:22,388 A meter simply shows 365 00:18:22,398 --> 00:18:24,858 where an individual is aberrated. 366 00:18:24,888 --> 00:18:28,107 The e-meter is a very powerful instrument. 367 00:18:28,157 --> 00:18:30,528 It's one-third of a lie detector. 368 00:18:30,558 --> 00:18:34,558 A lie detector would also measure your respiration and pulse. 369 00:18:34,578 --> 00:18:37,078 There's two cans 370 00:18:37,118 --> 00:18:38,667 and there's electrical wires 371 00:18:38,697 --> 00:18:40,867 carrying an undetectable amount of current 372 00:18:40,907 --> 00:18:43,287 into a meter with a needle on it. 373 00:18:43,337 --> 00:18:45,877 According to the church of scientology, 374 00:18:45,907 --> 00:18:49,047 it actually detects the mass of your thoughts, 375 00:18:49,077 --> 00:18:51,517 although there's no evidence that thoughts have mass. 376 00:18:51,547 --> 00:18:53,917 The current passes through your body, 377 00:18:53,937 --> 00:18:57,937 and as your mental mass increases, 378 00:18:57,967 --> 00:19:01,187 so does the resistance to the circuit. 379 00:19:01,227 --> 00:19:04,976 So the auditor will ask you a question, 380 00:19:05,026 --> 00:19:07,306 "tell me about an upset with your mother." 381 00:19:07,366 --> 00:19:09,146 "What's truly bothering you about being with, you know, 382 00:19:09,196 --> 00:19:11,287 "with your wife's behavior? What is it?" 383 00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:12,937 "Why are you upset today?" 384 00:19:12,957 --> 00:19:15,536 "Well, I had a fight with my wife." 385 00:19:15,566 --> 00:19:17,286 "Well, I can see." 386 00:19:17,326 --> 00:19:19,206 "That there... Was that the same thought?" 387 00:19:19,246 --> 00:19:20,376 "Say that again." 388 00:19:20,406 --> 00:19:24,206 And gradually, the needle will have less response. 389 00:19:24,246 --> 00:19:27,325 And in that manner, you discharge the emotion. 390 00:19:27,385 --> 00:19:30,785 Then you're asked to go back to earlier incidents 391 00:19:30,805 --> 00:19:32,806 that were like that. 392 00:19:32,836 --> 00:19:35,126 And you might say, "well, my mother spoke to me 393 00:19:35,136 --> 00:19:37,305 "in the same scolding tone of voice." 394 00:19:37,345 --> 00:19:39,505 And you recount that story, 395 00:19:39,565 --> 00:19:42,795 and eventually, you discharge the emotion. 396 00:19:42,815 --> 00:19:45,965 And that's very much like freudian therapy. 397 00:19:45,985 --> 00:19:48,604 But with scientology, 398 00:19:48,634 --> 00:19:50,934 then they'll ask further. 399 00:19:50,974 --> 00:19:53,935 "Well, that's as far back as I go." 400 00:19:53,995 --> 00:19:55,495 Well, maybe not. 401 00:19:55,525 --> 00:19:59,745 The auditor might say, "something just registered on the meter. 402 00:19:59,785 --> 00:20:01,284 "What was that?" 403 00:20:01,314 --> 00:20:03,644 "I had an image in my mind." 404 00:20:03,664 --> 00:20:05,364 "Well, what was the image?" 405 00:20:05,414 --> 00:20:07,084 "It was a barn." 406 00:20:07,124 --> 00:20:09,624 "Are you inside the barn? Go back to that image. 407 00:20:09,654 --> 00:20:12,503 "Okay, open the door. What do you see?" 408 00:20:12,543 --> 00:20:16,594 "Well, it looks like 19th century France." 409 00:20:18,764 --> 00:20:21,134 You walk outside and you see 410 00:20:21,164 --> 00:20:23,804 the people dressed in their costumes, 411 00:20:23,884 --> 00:20:26,853 and the e-meter is saying this is real. 412 00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:28,503 This is a real memory. 413 00:20:28,523 --> 00:20:32,143 It's just as real as those other memories that you had. 414 00:20:33,693 --> 00:20:36,393 Beautiful little soft needle, and everything's good. 415 00:20:36,453 --> 00:20:40,533 Needle's rising, which means he's getting, you know, 416 00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:43,403 thinking a lot. The needle just, like, goes "pfft," 417 00:20:43,453 --> 00:20:45,493 like a lot of shit blows away. 418 00:20:45,523 --> 00:20:49,412 The theta bop, which is a very quick little thing like, "doo doo doo," 419 00:20:49,462 --> 00:20:51,662 which means exteriorization. 420 00:20:53,212 --> 00:20:56,803 When you come out of an auditing session, 421 00:20:56,833 --> 00:20:59,423 you feel euphoric. 422 00:20:59,473 --> 00:21:03,052 That confessional nature makes you feel better. 423 00:21:03,092 --> 00:21:05,762 Somebody would say, "oh, you're going to have a session." 424 00:21:05,812 --> 00:21:07,762 I would feel better just hearing that. 425 00:21:07,812 --> 00:21:10,882 Man is asleep. 426 00:21:10,902 --> 00:21:13,051 He is hypnotized. 427 00:21:13,071 --> 00:21:16,321 Now in scientology, reverse the process, 428 00:21:16,351 --> 00:21:18,822 and you'll make him wake up. 429 00:21:18,852 --> 00:21:21,572 Such a man becomes un-brainwashed, you might say. 430 00:21:21,612 --> 00:21:23,321 He becomes unhypnotized. 431 00:21:23,361 --> 00:21:25,391 This sounds, Mr. Hubbard, in a sense, 432 00:21:25,411 --> 00:21:28,951 like an extension of psychology or psychiatry. 433 00:21:29,001 --> 00:21:32,581 Oh, no, psychiatry has to do with the insane, 434 00:21:32,621 --> 00:21:35,540 and we have nothing to do with the insane whatsoever. 435 00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:37,840 Is this is a form of psychoanalysis? 436 00:21:37,870 --> 00:21:39,921 No, psychoanalysis, they lay back and... 437 00:21:39,961 --> 00:21:43,511 Don't associate scientology with such people. 438 00:21:43,551 --> 00:21:46,930 That's terrible. That's bad manners, you know? 439 00:21:46,970 --> 00:21:50,600 When l. Ron Hubbard first wrote "dianetics," 440 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,300 he thought it was a tremendous psychological breakthrough, 441 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:56,720 so much so that he would be recognized. 442 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,780 He wrote letters to the American psychological association. 443 00:22:01,810 --> 00:22:05,600 They couldn't make heads or tail of his ideas. 444 00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:07,780 To them, it was like psychological folk art. 445 00:22:07,820 --> 00:22:11,319 For instance, he would talk about "clear." 446 00:22:11,369 --> 00:22:13,989 That means that the individual 447 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:16,129 has erased his reactive mind... 448 00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:18,499 His unconscious mind is gone... 449 00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:20,799 And he is totally alert 450 00:22:20,829 --> 00:22:22,799 and totally capable. 451 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,119 Once you've taken away all these traumatic memories, 452 00:22:26,139 --> 00:22:28,759 from this life and previous ones, 453 00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:30,259 then you are clear. 454 00:22:30,289 --> 00:22:33,089 Someone who had a perfect memory, 455 00:22:33,129 --> 00:22:35,978 who was never ill. 456 00:22:36,008 --> 00:22:37,728 Your eyesight would be better. 457 00:22:37,768 --> 00:22:39,928 We tested people before scientology processing 458 00:22:39,968 --> 00:22:41,768 and after scientology processing, 459 00:22:41,798 --> 00:22:44,489 and uniformly found that their IQ had raised. 460 00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:46,568 We are making such individuals, 461 00:22:46,608 --> 00:22:50,278 we're making them regularly, and we're making them routinely. 462 00:22:52,278 --> 00:22:55,078 An overt act is an effort to individuate. 463 00:22:55,118 --> 00:22:57,827 It is a withhold of oneself... 464 00:22:57,867 --> 00:22:59,817 Ron gave lectures everywhere 465 00:22:59,837 --> 00:23:03,838 for large amounts of money, and money just started pouring in. 466 00:23:03,878 --> 00:23:06,128 I mean, these people were paying 467 00:23:06,158 --> 00:23:09,178 $500 apiece in the 1950s 468 00:23:09,208 --> 00:23:11,177 for training in "dianetics." 469 00:23:11,217 --> 00:23:13,927 I felt that he was stealing from people 470 00:23:13,967 --> 00:23:16,187 and that he was hoodwinking them. 471 00:23:16,217 --> 00:23:19,187 All the business of sitting, holding hands, 472 00:23:19,217 --> 00:23:22,506 and putting all these false memories into people's minds... 473 00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:24,897 Then they would finally come along and say, 474 00:23:24,947 --> 00:23:27,857 "oh, yes, i can remember it all." 475 00:23:31,817 --> 00:23:34,686 We were surrounded by sycophants. 476 00:23:34,706 --> 00:23:38,536 He began to believe that he was a savior and hero, 477 00:23:38,576 --> 00:23:42,046 that he really was this God figure. 478 00:23:44,866 --> 00:23:46,626 He was absolutely convinced 479 00:23:46,666 --> 00:23:50,336 that he had the cure for the psychological ills of mankind, 480 00:23:50,366 --> 00:23:54,036 and that the only reason that it wasn't being propagated far and wide 481 00:23:54,076 --> 00:23:56,706 was that the medical profession had a vested interest 482 00:23:56,726 --> 00:23:59,175 in keeping people sick. 483 00:23:59,205 --> 00:24:01,175 I think he was afraid that some psychiatrists 484 00:24:01,215 --> 00:24:03,645 would pop him into an institution. 485 00:24:03,685 --> 00:24:07,936 He degenerated into a really paranoid, 486 00:24:07,986 --> 00:24:10,715 terrifying person. 487 00:24:10,735 --> 00:24:12,775 Sara threatened to leave Hubbard 488 00:24:12,825 --> 00:24:14,405 unless he got psychiatric help. 489 00:24:14,445 --> 00:24:17,225 He responded by kidnapping their baby 490 00:24:17,245 --> 00:24:19,245 and taking her to Cuba. 491 00:24:19,275 --> 00:24:21,834 He was incapable of taking care of her, 492 00:24:21,864 --> 00:24:25,004 so he put her in the charge of a mother and daughter 493 00:24:25,034 --> 00:24:27,114 who were both mentally retarded. 494 00:24:27,174 --> 00:24:29,505 And they apparently kept her in some kind of cage. 495 00:24:29,545 --> 00:24:33,504 He called me and told me that he had killed her. 496 00:24:33,544 --> 00:24:36,244 He said he had cut her into little pieces 497 00:24:36,284 --> 00:24:38,014 and dropped the pieces in a river, 498 00:24:38,044 --> 00:24:40,134 and it was my fault. 499 00:24:40,184 --> 00:24:43,134 Then he'd call me back and say that she was still alive. 500 00:24:43,184 --> 00:24:46,273 And this went on and on and on. 501 00:24:46,303 --> 00:24:49,103 When Hubbard came back to the U.S., 502 00:24:49,143 --> 00:24:51,444 Sara persuaded him to agree to a divorce 503 00:24:51,474 --> 00:24:53,724 and give her custody of their daughter. 504 00:24:53,764 --> 00:24:55,694 When I left him, he cleaned out 505 00:24:55,734 --> 00:24:57,143 all the joint bank accounts 506 00:24:57,203 --> 00:25:00,283 so that I wouldn't have any money. 507 00:25:00,373 --> 00:25:03,483 Hubbard soon lost all his money, too. 508 00:25:03,543 --> 00:25:06,793 "Dianetics" proved to be a passing fad, like the hula hoop. 509 00:25:06,823 --> 00:25:09,462 But Hubbard still had his imagination. 510 00:25:09,492 --> 00:25:11,743 So he repackaged the ideas of "dianetics" 511 00:25:11,783 --> 00:25:14,333 into a religion called scientology. 512 00:25:16,333 --> 00:25:18,633 Hubbard added more science and more structure. 513 00:25:18,673 --> 00:25:21,422 Along with the e-meters came a payment plan. 514 00:25:21,452 --> 00:25:25,262 Every step to "clear" had a price tag. 515 00:25:25,312 --> 00:25:27,722 How would you describe your business model? 516 00:25:27,762 --> 00:25:31,012 Rapacious. 517 00:25:31,062 --> 00:25:33,402 It's all about making money. 518 00:25:33,432 --> 00:25:36,402 Hubbard, from the beginning, knew that 519 00:25:36,442 --> 00:25:39,842 people would pay for this counseling at a pretty good clip, 520 00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:43,661 and so he continued to come out with more and more levels. 521 00:25:43,691 --> 00:25:47,581 The real money was in paying for these higher and higher courses. 522 00:25:47,611 --> 00:25:49,611 They were getting into thousands of dollars. 523 00:25:49,651 --> 00:25:51,921 Those prices kept going up and up. 524 00:25:51,951 --> 00:25:54,702 That's really where scientology begins 525 00:25:54,752 --> 00:25:56,791 to create this indoctrination, 526 00:25:56,821 --> 00:25:58,661 is, "it's Hubbard that came up with that, 527 00:25:58,671 --> 00:26:01,171 "only Hubbard, and you have to be a part of our group 528 00:26:01,211 --> 00:26:04,631 "to get that spiritual satisfaction you were looking for." 529 00:26:04,681 --> 00:26:06,501 The Hubbard college of scientology, 530 00:26:06,521 --> 00:26:09,970 qualifications division, department of certifications and awards 531 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,840 does hereby certify that Anthony a. Phillips 532 00:26:12,850 --> 00:26:15,141 has obtained the state of clear. 533 00:26:17,061 --> 00:26:20,280 As more members paid for Hubbard's bridge to total freedom, 534 00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:23,900 the church's coffers swelled with hundreds of millions of dollars. 535 00:26:23,980 --> 00:26:26,850 From the beginning, Hubbard tried to shelter that revenue 536 00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:28,740 from any government taxes. 537 00:26:28,790 --> 00:26:30,819 The founding church of scientology 538 00:26:30,859 --> 00:26:34,289 attempted in 1967 to get a court determination 539 00:26:34,329 --> 00:26:36,660 that it was exempt from federal taxation 540 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:40,200 on the basis that it was a nonprofit religious organization. 541 00:26:40,220 --> 00:26:43,379 A federal court denied the founding church tax exemption, 542 00:26:43,419 --> 00:26:47,869 saying that some of the church's earnings from 1955 to 1959 543 00:26:47,889 --> 00:26:51,809 were used for the personal benefit of private individuals... 544 00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:54,209 L. Ron Hubbard and family. 545 00:26:54,229 --> 00:26:58,349 "Abc news" has repeatedly requested interviews with Mr. Hubbard. 546 00:26:58,379 --> 00:27:00,849 We have been told that he is unavailable. 547 00:27:17,468 --> 00:27:20,068 It was very exciting. 548 00:27:20,108 --> 00:27:24,458 It was that heady mix of emotion and belief, 549 00:27:24,508 --> 00:27:27,678 and it's... You get stuck to it. 550 00:27:27,708 --> 00:27:31,717 It's so strong that it sticks you like glue, 551 00:27:31,747 --> 00:27:33,977 and there's no way you can get away from it. 552 00:27:35,047 --> 00:27:37,147 I was deeply convinced 553 00:27:37,187 --> 00:27:39,588 that we were going to save the world. 554 00:27:39,618 --> 00:27:44,137 I considered myself tremendously fortunate 555 00:27:44,197 --> 00:27:46,227 to be in that position. 556 00:27:47,777 --> 00:27:50,267 Out of the blue one day, 557 00:27:50,287 --> 00:27:52,147 I received this envelope 558 00:27:52,197 --> 00:27:55,606 with an invitation to join the sea project. 559 00:27:55,616 --> 00:27:58,136 It was completely confidential. 560 00:27:58,176 --> 00:28:00,907 I wasn't to tell anyone about it, 561 00:28:00,947 --> 00:28:04,627 and I was so ecstatic. 562 00:28:04,667 --> 00:28:07,466 Here was a chance to work with Hubbard. 563 00:28:07,496 --> 00:28:09,996 And I signed, "yes!" 564 00:28:10,056 --> 00:28:14,116 I was on my way to the greatest adventure in my life. 565 00:28:14,136 --> 00:28:19,005 We had an overnight flight to Las Palmas in the Canary Islands, 566 00:28:19,055 --> 00:28:22,766 where we found, at about 6:00 in the morning, 567 00:28:22,796 --> 00:28:26,066 we were taxied down to a dock. 568 00:28:26,096 --> 00:28:28,816 We had to climb up this rickety ladder, 569 00:28:28,856 --> 00:28:31,105 all the way up to the ship, 570 00:28:31,135 --> 00:28:33,605 and we couldn't believe this was where we were going. 571 00:28:33,645 --> 00:28:36,945 This ship was a rusty hulk. 572 00:28:36,975 --> 00:28:40,445 I was given a dirty old jumpsuit to get into, 573 00:28:40,485 --> 00:28:44,245 missing one arm and the other one was almost half torn off, 574 00:28:44,285 --> 00:28:48,455 and put to work. We had to scrub the ship and clean out the ship, 575 00:28:48,485 --> 00:28:52,095 which was arduous, strenuous work, 576 00:28:52,125 --> 00:28:53,794 in the heat. 577 00:28:53,824 --> 00:28:56,014 Hubbard came to the ship every day, 578 00:28:56,044 --> 00:29:00,134 smoking cigarettes and surveying his kingdom. 579 00:29:00,184 --> 00:29:02,834 After dinner, he'd come and join us 580 00:29:02,854 --> 00:29:05,054 on the well deck. 581 00:29:05,104 --> 00:29:07,334 There he was, you know, right amongst us, 582 00:29:07,354 --> 00:29:09,144 talking to us. 583 00:29:09,174 --> 00:29:12,894 He would be his most magnificent self 584 00:29:12,944 --> 00:29:15,284 at those times. 585 00:29:15,314 --> 00:29:18,853 He'd lean back, he'd look up at the cosmos, 586 00:29:18,863 --> 00:29:22,233 and he'd point out galaxies 587 00:29:22,283 --> 00:29:24,123 and constellations, 588 00:29:24,153 --> 00:29:27,044 and he'd say, "the fifth invaders are up there, 589 00:29:27,074 --> 00:29:29,963 "and this is how they dressed and this is how they talk. 590 00:29:29,993 --> 00:29:32,583 "And see that blip across the sky over there?" 591 00:29:32,633 --> 00:29:36,533 He'd point it out, and we were all, "yes, we see it, we see it." 592 00:29:36,553 --> 00:29:38,883 He'd say, "and that's one of their space vessels..." 593 00:29:38,923 --> 00:29:42,372 And there was... the fourth invader force was here. 594 00:29:42,392 --> 00:29:45,092 The fifth invader force came in. 595 00:29:45,142 --> 00:29:49,093 And the name of this solar system is space station 33. 596 00:29:49,143 --> 00:29:51,812 The fourth invader force had been there 597 00:29:51,852 --> 00:29:54,102 for God knows how many skillion years, 598 00:29:54,152 --> 00:29:55,572 had been sitting down... 599 00:29:55,652 --> 00:29:57,932 And we'd sit there, spellbound. 600 00:29:57,992 --> 00:30:01,272 You could hear a pin drop on that ship. 601 00:30:01,322 --> 00:30:05,991 He had us emotionally captured and held 602 00:30:06,031 --> 00:30:09,582 right there in the palm of his hand where he wanted us. 603 00:30:09,612 --> 00:30:11,872 He had us right there. 604 00:30:13,842 --> 00:30:15,501 In the early '60s, 605 00:30:15,541 --> 00:30:18,201 Hubbard was under investigation in various countries. 606 00:30:18,241 --> 00:30:21,171 His solution was to take to the high seas. 607 00:30:21,211 --> 00:30:24,341 He made himself commodore of a fleet of three ships, 608 00:30:24,381 --> 00:30:26,281 a scientology Navy. 609 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,101 To crew the vessels, 610 00:30:29,131 --> 00:30:30,751 he created the sea organization. 611 00:30:30,771 --> 00:30:33,051 The members of this so-called sea org 612 00:30:33,091 --> 00:30:35,471 would become the church's clergy. 613 00:30:35,521 --> 00:30:38,221 They began going from port to port 614 00:30:38,261 --> 00:30:41,140 in the mediterranean, show up for a few days, 615 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,610 and then go off... sail off in some other direction. 616 00:30:43,650 --> 00:30:46,100 And a very enterprising reporter 617 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,270 for Grenada television in britain 618 00:30:48,290 --> 00:30:49,601 tracked him down... 619 00:30:49,621 --> 00:30:51,370 Slate one, take one. 620 00:30:51,410 --> 00:30:53,410 That's one of the very few instances 621 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,410 where Hubbard has actually appeared on camera. 622 00:30:57,580 --> 00:30:59,630 What are you actually doing 623 00:30:59,660 --> 00:31:01,500 on this ship now? 624 00:31:01,550 --> 00:31:04,619 I am studying ancient civilizations, 625 00:31:04,639 --> 00:31:08,049 trying to find what happened to them, 626 00:31:08,089 --> 00:31:10,589 finding out why they went... 627 00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:14,290 Into a decline, why they died. 628 00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:18,309 Hubbard believed that he had lived various lives 629 00:31:18,349 --> 00:31:22,319 in the mediterranean area as a venetian prince, 630 00:31:22,349 --> 00:31:24,649 as an Italian prince. 631 00:31:24,689 --> 00:31:26,518 As a matter of fact, it's quite interesting 632 00:31:26,578 --> 00:31:29,308 that exercises can be conducted, 633 00:31:29,328 --> 00:31:32,159 which demonstrate conclusively that there are memories 634 00:31:32,199 --> 00:31:34,279 which exist prior to this life. 635 00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,749 He had buried treasure all around the coastline, 636 00:31:37,789 --> 00:31:42,338 and he wanted to go find all these caches of treasure. 637 00:31:42,368 --> 00:31:45,628 We were all very heated, very excited about this. 638 00:31:45,658 --> 00:31:48,998 Whatever was his whim, we did. 639 00:31:49,028 --> 00:31:50,957 We would have died for the old man. 640 00:31:52,267 --> 00:31:53,668 Don't you wake up sometimes 641 00:31:53,688 --> 00:31:56,298 in the middle of the night and think to yourself, 642 00:31:56,338 --> 00:31:58,638 "well, I've been on this ship with a whole lot 643 00:31:58,668 --> 00:32:01,168 "of scientologists who believe I'm fantastic..." 644 00:32:01,188 --> 00:32:03,107 They don't believe I'm fantastic. 645 00:32:03,137 --> 00:32:07,857 If you saw the number of times they don't follow my orders... 646 00:32:08,947 --> 00:32:11,677 Lrh started to devise 647 00:32:11,697 --> 00:32:14,617 a system of penalties or punishments 648 00:32:14,657 --> 00:32:16,237 or what he called ethics. 649 00:32:16,287 --> 00:32:19,157 And one of the penalties for the auditors 650 00:32:19,187 --> 00:32:21,377 making mistakes in their auditing sessions 651 00:32:21,407 --> 00:32:23,577 was to be tossed overboard. 652 00:32:23,627 --> 00:32:26,246 "You have done such and such and such and such, 653 00:32:26,296 --> 00:32:28,886 "and we commit your errors to the deep." 654 00:32:28,916 --> 00:32:32,166 And then just pushed overboard. 655 00:32:32,216 --> 00:32:35,387 30 feet, 35 feet, 656 00:32:53,025 --> 00:32:56,395 do you ever think that you might be quite mad? 657 00:32:56,405 --> 00:32:58,726 Oh, yes! 658 00:32:58,746 --> 00:33:02,165 The one man in the world who never believes he's mad 659 00:33:02,195 --> 00:33:04,415 is the madman. 660 00:33:23,455 --> 00:33:26,454 So we got married a year and a half after we joined 661 00:33:26,484 --> 00:33:29,054 and moved to California. I wanted to be a writer, 662 00:33:29,094 --> 00:33:31,454 and my wife... She was studying scientology. 663 00:33:31,494 --> 00:33:33,994 We had a baby right away, and the only people 664 00:33:34,034 --> 00:33:36,094 we knew there were scientologists. 665 00:33:36,134 --> 00:33:38,733 I was working as a furniture mover during the day 666 00:33:38,763 --> 00:33:41,434 and writing spec scripts at night. 667 00:33:41,474 --> 00:33:44,104 Then on the weekends, I'd be, you know, doing some auditing. 668 00:33:44,124 --> 00:33:45,904 Can you recall a time when you were happy? 669 00:33:45,954 --> 00:33:47,274 There was a social aspect to it too. 670 00:33:47,294 --> 00:33:48,743 You got to hang out with people. 671 00:33:48,773 --> 00:33:51,773 And there were some interesting people, nice people. 672 00:33:51,793 --> 00:33:54,074 These are all people who are looking to improve their life. 673 00:34:16,272 --> 00:34:18,742 While Hubbard was hiding from public view, 674 00:34:18,772 --> 00:34:21,803 he was very active in directing the operations of the church, 675 00:34:21,823 --> 00:34:23,942 particularly in Hollywood. 676 00:34:23,982 --> 00:34:26,442 This was just after the haight-ashbury era. 677 00:34:26,482 --> 00:34:29,112 And what scientology was selling itself is, 678 00:34:29,152 --> 00:34:31,582 "get high without drugs." 679 00:34:31,622 --> 00:34:34,832 It was a place where people went and explored ideas, 680 00:34:34,872 --> 00:34:37,671 and you would often see famous people... 681 00:34:37,711 --> 00:34:40,961 Leonard Cohen, members of the grateful dead, 682 00:34:40,991 --> 00:34:42,712 rock Hudson. 683 00:34:42,762 --> 00:34:45,382 So they built the celebrity centre. 684 00:34:45,432 --> 00:34:49,001 The idea was to draw in these famous entertainers 685 00:34:49,021 --> 00:34:53,101 and use them as pitchmen for the religion. 686 00:34:53,141 --> 00:34:54,941 In an industry like Hollywood, 687 00:34:54,971 --> 00:34:58,641 where stardom is such... Such an illusive quality, 688 00:34:58,681 --> 00:35:02,710 scientology would offer a route to maybe feel a little bit more secure. 689 00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:05,821 And when you're trying to break in, you're also dealing with 690 00:35:05,851 --> 00:35:07,531 relentless rejection. 691 00:35:07,571 --> 00:35:09,451 And something that helps you stay focused 692 00:35:09,491 --> 00:35:12,040 and feel that you're improving yourself 693 00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:15,580 and becoming more clear, you can see the appeal of that. 694 00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:20,410 The beliefs and practices that I have studied in scientology 695 00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:23,249 have been invaluable to me. 696 00:35:23,299 --> 00:35:25,330 Have you ever met Ron Hubbard? 697 00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:29,170 I'd love to. I'd be honored, because i think he's so brilliant. 698 00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:35,179 So when I worked at the celebrity centre, 699 00:35:35,209 --> 00:35:38,509 I would just, you know, recruit various people. 700 00:35:38,549 --> 00:35:42,649 Like Priscilla Presley and of course John Travolta. 701 00:35:42,689 --> 00:35:45,769 Johnny... he came, he started on course, 702 00:35:45,819 --> 00:35:48,359 and he was so fun and outrageous. 703 00:35:48,389 --> 00:35:51,629 And he just made a party wherever he was. 704 00:35:51,659 --> 00:35:53,909 John Travolta was a young actor 705 00:35:53,949 --> 00:35:57,229 in his very first movie. 706 00:35:57,249 --> 00:35:59,588 He was a troubled young man, 707 00:35:59,618 --> 00:36:01,088 and he was looking for help. 708 00:36:01,118 --> 00:36:05,118 A fellow actor gave him a little bit of scientology counseling. 709 00:36:05,178 --> 00:36:06,928 She gave him a copy of "dianetics," 710 00:36:06,958 --> 00:36:09,209 and he was transported by this. 711 00:36:09,249 --> 00:36:10,578 He would go out on his auditions, 712 00:36:10,598 --> 00:36:12,078 and no matter what he went out for, 713 00:36:12,098 --> 00:36:14,928 he would get it. 714 00:36:14,968 --> 00:36:17,268 A band-aid commercial, right away he booked that. 715 00:36:17,308 --> 00:36:18,768 Now the army starts you... 716 00:36:18,808 --> 00:36:20,308 He was booking everything, 717 00:36:20,358 --> 00:36:22,607 and then he went up for a series. 718 00:36:22,637 --> 00:36:24,107 Of course, he books it. 719 00:36:24,147 --> 00:36:26,647 And it's a big series... "Welcome back, kotter." 720 00:36:26,697 --> 00:36:28,448 Up your nose with a rubber hose! 721 00:36:30,448 --> 00:36:32,448 In the late '70s and early '80s, 722 00:36:32,488 --> 00:36:36,137 John Travolta was scientology's biggest star. 723 00:36:36,167 --> 00:36:40,037 Spanky was assigned to be travolta’s key contact with the church, 724 00:36:40,077 --> 00:36:43,677 and she helped out with producers, fans, and the press. 725 00:36:43,717 --> 00:36:46,816 They became close, and when spanky got married, 726 00:36:46,846 --> 00:36:48,546 Travolta was there. 727 00:36:48,586 --> 00:36:51,487 When Johnny first got into scientology, 728 00:36:51,517 --> 00:36:53,637 he didn't even believe in himself that much. 729 00:36:53,677 --> 00:36:56,227 But he got injected with a lot of confidence, 730 00:36:56,257 --> 00:36:58,636 and then you get this phobia inducement 731 00:36:58,676 --> 00:37:01,756 that "if I leave, it's all going to go down the tubes." 732 00:37:01,796 --> 00:37:03,846 When you're in the organization, 733 00:37:03,896 --> 00:37:06,066 all the good that happens to you 734 00:37:06,096 --> 00:37:07,796 is because of scientology, 735 00:37:07,816 --> 00:37:10,856 and everything that doesn't, that isn't good, is your fault. 736 00:37:12,406 --> 00:37:15,636 They sell it all in the beginning as something quite logical. 737 00:37:15,656 --> 00:37:18,276 Everything makes sense. 738 00:37:18,316 --> 00:37:20,746 And you're going up what they call the bridge, 739 00:37:20,786 --> 00:37:22,865 you're dong this auditing, and this is good. 740 00:37:22,915 --> 00:37:25,085 And the next one, well, it's not quite as good. 741 00:37:25,115 --> 00:37:27,955 It didn't quite make sense to you, but... 742 00:37:27,985 --> 00:37:30,785 You know, you've already paid for the next one, so you'll do that one. 743 00:37:32,845 --> 00:37:35,655 The bridge... It's a metaphor. 744 00:37:35,675 --> 00:37:38,165 You start here at the bottom of the bridge 745 00:37:38,185 --> 00:37:40,015 and then you go to the top, so where it is... 746 00:37:40,045 --> 00:37:42,185 It's an awareness scale. 747 00:37:42,215 --> 00:37:45,464 You start down here and you're not aware of anything, 748 00:37:45,504 --> 00:37:48,024 then you go up here and you're a lot more aware 749 00:37:48,054 --> 00:37:50,694 of who you are, 750 00:37:50,724 --> 00:37:55,145 your spirituality, your relationship to others. 751 00:37:55,185 --> 00:37:58,314 A person is supposed to become more able 752 00:37:58,354 --> 00:38:00,064 as they go up the bridge. 753 00:38:00,114 --> 00:38:04,184 And then there are the ot levels... 754 00:38:04,204 --> 00:38:05,874 Operating thetan. 755 00:38:05,904 --> 00:38:08,024 And a thetan is a spiritual being. 756 00:38:08,044 --> 00:38:10,523 That's the soul of the person. 757 00:38:10,543 --> 00:38:13,163 And what level, over time, did you achieve? 758 00:38:13,193 --> 00:38:15,864 Ot eight. That's the highest there is. 759 00:38:15,884 --> 00:38:18,384 You can't get any higher than ot eight. 760 00:38:18,424 --> 00:38:20,223 From the beginning, you hear these stories 761 00:38:20,253 --> 00:38:23,053 people tell of these abilities they've been able to gain. 762 00:38:23,093 --> 00:38:26,713 It was always talked about, the people who were ot could read your mind, 763 00:38:26,723 --> 00:38:29,313 and they could move objects at will, 764 00:38:29,343 --> 00:38:33,352 and they could... They were cause over matter, energy, space, and time, 765 00:38:33,382 --> 00:38:36,233 so it sounded damn good to me. 766 00:38:36,273 --> 00:38:38,723 I mean, I thought, "wow, this is great." 767 00:38:38,743 --> 00:38:42,943 I finally get to ot three, 768 00:38:42,993 --> 00:38:44,912 and they give me the secret materials, 769 00:38:44,942 --> 00:38:46,612 which I've been hearing about all this time. 770 00:38:46,662 --> 00:38:48,662 They're handwritten by Hubbard. 771 00:38:48,702 --> 00:38:51,252 You have to keep them in a locked briefcase, 772 00:38:51,282 --> 00:38:53,332 be very cautious, because they always said, 773 00:38:53,372 --> 00:38:55,372 "if this gets out, it's dangerous to people. 774 00:38:55,402 --> 00:38:59,542 "It could actually do them harm if they are not adequately prepared." 775 00:39:00,842 --> 00:39:03,242 And I read it. 776 00:39:03,262 --> 00:39:05,542 And... 777 00:39:05,582 --> 00:39:07,761 It doesn't make any sense. 778 00:39:07,801 --> 00:39:10,721 This gobbled story that didn't make sense. 779 00:39:10,771 --> 00:39:14,801 I remember for one fleeting second thinking, "maybe it's an insanity test. 780 00:39:14,861 --> 00:39:16,611 "Maybe if you believe this, they kick you out. 781 00:39:16,641 --> 00:39:19,861 "You know, maybe that's it." That, of course, is not the case. 782 00:39:19,891 --> 00:39:23,201 They talk about, you know, the fact that the earth was created 783 00:39:23,231 --> 00:39:25,561 in such-and-such trillions of years ago, 784 00:39:25,601 --> 00:39:28,821 and this guy... Space guy... 785 00:39:28,871 --> 00:39:31,620 Galactic overlord... This was a prison planet, 786 00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:34,370 and people being caught, captured, 787 00:39:34,410 --> 00:39:36,080 and being brought to planet earth... 788 00:39:36,110 --> 00:39:39,501 And put them in volcanoes and blowing them up with a-bombs. 789 00:39:39,551 --> 00:39:41,301 Whoa! 790 00:39:41,331 --> 00:39:43,780 I studied geography in school. 791 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,120 Those volcanoes didn't exist 75 million years ago. 792 00:39:47,140 --> 00:39:50,290 And we have these lost souls all over us 793 00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:52,460 and we have to get rid of them, and I'm going, 794 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,349 "what... the fuck are you talking about? 795 00:39:56,399 --> 00:39:58,979 "I mean, I'm down for the self-help stuff. 796 00:39:59,019 --> 00:40:00,520 "I'm down for... Okay, I can be clear. 797 00:40:00,570 --> 00:40:03,070 "I can get rid of the negative emotions. 798 00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:04,300 "But what the fuck is this?" 799 00:40:07,489 --> 00:40:10,409 When you get to the upper levels of scientology, 800 00:40:10,449 --> 00:40:12,499 the creation myth is explained to you. 801 00:40:12,529 --> 00:40:17,029 The story is that 75 million years ago, 802 00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:19,648 people lived in a world very much like the world 803 00:40:19,668 --> 00:40:22,289 of America in the 1950s. 804 00:40:22,319 --> 00:40:24,509 People, at that particular time and space, 805 00:40:24,539 --> 00:40:26,959 were walking around in clothes which looked 806 00:40:26,989 --> 00:40:30,708 very remarkably like the clothes they wear in this very minute. 807 00:40:30,768 --> 00:40:34,328 And the cars they drove looked exactly the same, 808 00:40:34,348 --> 00:40:37,888 and they walked down streets that looked like these streets. 809 00:40:37,938 --> 00:40:40,308 It was a very similar world 810 00:40:40,338 --> 00:40:41,638 and similar problems, 811 00:40:41,678 --> 00:40:43,978 one of which was overpopulation. 812 00:40:44,028 --> 00:40:45,728 They had elected a fellow 813 00:40:45,778 --> 00:40:48,678 by the name of xenu to the supreme ruler. 814 00:40:48,698 --> 00:40:50,778 There was a tyrannical overlord 815 00:40:50,818 --> 00:40:53,518 of the galactic confederacy named xenu. 816 00:40:53,538 --> 00:40:57,237 In order to resolve this problem of overpopulation, 817 00:40:57,287 --> 00:40:58,707 he called people in, 818 00:40:58,737 --> 00:41:01,207 ostensibly for tax audits, 819 00:41:01,247 --> 00:41:04,498 and had them frozen with injections 820 00:41:04,528 --> 00:41:06,527 of glycol to their heart. 821 00:41:06,547 --> 00:41:09,167 Boxed them up in boxes, threw 'em into space planes... 822 00:41:09,197 --> 00:41:12,087 DC-8 airplane is the exact copy 823 00:41:12,137 --> 00:41:15,087 of the space plane of that day. 824 00:41:15,137 --> 00:41:19,176 They were flown to the prison planet, teegeeack... 825 00:41:19,206 --> 00:41:20,676 It's actually the planet earth... 826 00:41:20,706 --> 00:41:25,597 And these frozen bodies were then dropped into volcanoes. 827 00:41:25,687 --> 00:41:27,817 And then they set off hydrogen bombs 828 00:41:27,857 --> 00:41:29,856 on the top of each volcano. 829 00:41:29,886 --> 00:41:32,156 And their disembodied spirits... 830 00:41:32,186 --> 00:41:33,986 These are called thetans... 831 00:41:34,026 --> 00:41:36,946 Floated out, and they were captured 832 00:41:36,996 --> 00:41:40,116 and forced to sit in front of movie screens. 833 00:41:40,166 --> 00:41:43,695 With a 3d, super colossal, motion picture. 834 00:41:43,735 --> 00:41:45,745 They were shown images... 835 00:41:45,785 --> 00:41:48,036 Implants, as Hubbard would have it. 836 00:41:48,086 --> 00:41:49,756 Every man is shown crucified, 837 00:41:49,786 --> 00:41:52,426 so is the psychiatrist shown crucified. 838 00:41:52,456 --> 00:41:54,175 And that's how he gets away with what he gets away with. 839 00:41:54,215 --> 00:41:57,375 He electric-shocks people. 840 00:41:57,435 --> 00:42:00,245 And when a child is born, 841 00:42:00,265 --> 00:42:03,635 a thetan will leap inside the child's body 842 00:42:03,685 --> 00:42:07,085 at that very instant, and it becomes like the child's soul. 843 00:42:07,105 --> 00:42:10,445 More than one thetan might crowd into the body... 844 00:42:10,475 --> 00:42:13,265 Hundreds, or thousands, might. 845 00:42:13,275 --> 00:42:15,315 They're the source of all of our neurosis, 846 00:42:15,365 --> 00:42:16,864 fears, and anxieties. 847 00:42:18,904 --> 00:42:20,934 Then you are on the e-meter, 848 00:42:20,954 --> 00:42:22,314 by yourself, now. 849 00:42:22,374 --> 00:42:23,784 You're soloing. 850 00:42:23,824 --> 00:42:27,204 You're supposed to scan, mentally, 851 00:42:27,244 --> 00:42:29,624 from your top of your head to your toes, 852 00:42:29,664 --> 00:42:33,714 to see if you can locate any alien beings. 853 00:42:33,744 --> 00:42:37,114 And when you do, you tell them to go away. 854 00:42:37,134 --> 00:42:40,783 I kept on trying to audit. 855 00:42:40,803 --> 00:42:45,143 I could not figure out how I could have 856 00:42:45,173 --> 00:42:48,393 all these spirits of dead people attached to me, 857 00:42:48,433 --> 00:42:50,234 inside me, on me. 858 00:42:50,264 --> 00:42:52,293 I was clear. 859 00:42:52,313 --> 00:42:54,853 For God's sake, I was clear. 860 00:42:54,903 --> 00:42:57,023 People actually have breakdowns, 861 00:42:57,073 --> 00:42:58,483 you know, nervous breakdowns, 862 00:42:58,523 --> 00:43:01,023 because they spend so much time thinking 863 00:43:01,073 --> 00:43:04,072 about being infested by these creatures. 864 00:43:04,112 --> 00:43:08,282 If you're really believing that, it can drive you crazy. 865 00:43:19,592 --> 00:43:22,342 Those years of introspection 866 00:43:22,382 --> 00:43:26,132 eventually led me to sincerely considering 867 00:43:26,162 --> 00:43:29,931 that I was so bad, 868 00:43:29,971 --> 00:43:34,472 that I couldn't confront how bad I was. 869 00:43:34,512 --> 00:43:37,062 I didn't know it at the time, 870 00:43:37,112 --> 00:43:40,311 but a depression set in that was with me for years, 871 00:43:40,341 --> 00:43:43,361 and the worst thing was 872 00:43:43,401 --> 00:43:47,571 that lrh kept ordering me to more auditing. 873 00:43:47,621 --> 00:43:51,151 I had to find swords that were stuck in me... 874 00:43:51,191 --> 00:43:53,291 Hypothetical swords, 875 00:43:53,321 --> 00:43:56,531 imaginary swords that were causing all this pain. 876 00:43:56,541 --> 00:43:59,461 This auditing went on and on. 877 00:43:59,501 --> 00:44:01,251 It wasn't doing any good. 878 00:44:01,301 --> 00:44:03,700 I should have been left alone. 879 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:07,050 But everything that I took offense with, 880 00:44:07,090 --> 00:44:09,810 I rationalized almost immediately. 881 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,610 I had to. 882 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,510 I could not continue in this game of scientology 883 00:44:15,550 --> 00:44:19,600 without explaining away what he was doing. 884 00:44:19,650 --> 00:44:24,150 It got to be a way of believing, 885 00:44:24,190 --> 00:44:28,409 and every one of us got into that. 886 00:44:28,439 --> 00:44:32,409 It was part of the mind control. 887 00:44:32,449 --> 00:44:36,120 It was part of the cultic manipulation. 888 00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:39,449 He was the master who did it to us, 889 00:44:39,499 --> 00:44:43,669 and we took it on and then we did it to ourselves. 890 00:44:43,709 --> 00:44:46,339 And I learned from it, 891 00:44:46,379 --> 00:44:49,549 that I would never ever again, 892 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,208 you know, go... Do the bidding of a tyrant. 893 00:45:02,428 --> 00:45:05,788 Hubbard questioned his own sanity 894 00:45:05,828 --> 00:45:08,898 and actually wrote a letter to the veteran's administration 895 00:45:08,928 --> 00:45:10,768 asking for psychiatric help 896 00:45:10,788 --> 00:45:14,197 that he seems never to have been given. 897 00:45:14,237 --> 00:45:18,288 I think that his whole creation of scientology 898 00:45:18,328 --> 00:45:20,608 really was a form of self-therapy. 899 00:45:20,628 --> 00:45:23,798 If he were just a fraud, then at some point, 900 00:45:23,828 --> 00:45:25,748 he would have taken the money and run, 901 00:45:25,778 --> 00:45:27,167 but he never did that. 902 00:45:27,217 --> 00:45:29,967 He spent much of his day on the e-meter, 903 00:45:29,997 --> 00:45:32,117 trying to understand what was going on 904 00:45:32,137 --> 00:45:33,957 inside his own mind. 905 00:45:35,677 --> 00:45:37,587 Hubbard became increasingly paranoid 906 00:45:37,627 --> 00:45:40,127 that a powerful thetan had infected his body 907 00:45:40,147 --> 00:45:42,097 and that regular auditing 908 00:45:42,127 --> 00:45:44,847 wasn't strong enough to make it leave. 909 00:45:44,897 --> 00:45:46,597 When Larry Wright was researching his book, 910 00:45:46,637 --> 00:45:49,267 he videotaped an interview with a scientologist 911 00:45:49,307 --> 00:45:52,656 who was asked to help Hubbard expel the thetan. 912 00:45:52,686 --> 00:45:55,106 He was having, uh, problems 913 00:45:55,146 --> 00:45:58,196 getting rid of a bt... Body thetan... 914 00:45:58,246 --> 00:46:00,917 So he wanted me to build a machine, 915 00:46:00,947 --> 00:46:03,446 and basically blow the thetan away, 916 00:46:03,496 --> 00:46:04,866 just get him out of there. 917 00:46:04,916 --> 00:46:07,506 Blow him out. And also kill the body. 918 00:46:09,876 --> 00:46:11,826 Basically, yeah. Yeah. 919 00:46:13,295 --> 00:46:14,995 But I didn't want to kill him. 920 00:46:15,025 --> 00:46:16,895 I just wanted to scare him. 921 00:46:16,925 --> 00:46:21,015 So I had read some books about Nikola tesla and stuff, 922 00:46:21,055 --> 00:46:23,356 and I figured maybe buildin' a tesla coil 923 00:46:23,386 --> 00:46:26,105 would probably be the best route to go. 924 00:46:27,775 --> 00:46:29,475 I had little electrodes 925 00:46:29,505 --> 00:46:31,395 that you hook it up to the e-meter, 926 00:46:31,445 --> 00:46:32,505 so when he's on the cans, 927 00:46:32,525 --> 00:46:34,645 then, uh, he would just flip the button, 928 00:46:34,685 --> 00:46:37,844 and it would do its thing. 929 00:46:41,034 --> 00:46:43,525 As far as I know. He blew up my e-meter. 930 00:46:43,535 --> 00:46:45,205 Burned it up. 931 00:46:47,875 --> 00:46:50,544 Scientology really is a journey 932 00:46:50,574 --> 00:46:52,994 into the mind of l. Ron Hubbard. 933 00:46:53,034 --> 00:46:56,214 And the further you get into it, 934 00:46:56,254 --> 00:46:59,554 the more like l. Ron Hubbard you become. 935 00:47:06,644 --> 00:47:10,184 Thank you. 936 00:47:10,234 --> 00:47:14,983 In 1980, lrh moved off the lines 937 00:47:15,023 --> 00:47:18,153 so that he could continue his writings 938 00:47:18,193 --> 00:47:21,353 and researches without any distractions. 939 00:47:23,943 --> 00:47:28,943 He has now moved on to his next ot... 940 00:47:29,003 --> 00:47:31,503 Level of ot research. 941 00:47:31,533 --> 00:47:34,903 This level is beyond anything any one of us ever imagined. 942 00:47:34,923 --> 00:47:37,702 This level is in fact done 943 00:47:37,742 --> 00:47:40,572 in an exterior state, 944 00:47:40,592 --> 00:47:43,012 meaning that it is done completely exterior 945 00:47:43,042 --> 00:47:45,012 from the body. 946 00:47:45,052 --> 00:47:47,912 At this level of ot, 947 00:47:47,932 --> 00:47:49,382 the body is nothing more 948 00:47:49,422 --> 00:47:52,082 than an impediment and encumbrance 949 00:47:52,102 --> 00:47:54,972 to any further gain as an ot. 950 00:47:57,142 --> 00:47:58,892 Thus... 951 00:48:00,281 --> 00:48:03,261 Thus, at 2000 hours, 952 00:48:03,281 --> 00:48:06,531 Friday, the 24th of January, 953 00:48:06,571 --> 00:48:08,282 a.D. 36, 954 00:48:08,322 --> 00:48:10,322 l. Ron Hubbard discarded the body 955 00:48:10,372 --> 00:48:12,491 he had used in this lifetime 956 00:48:12,541 --> 00:48:16,631 for 74 years, 10 months, and 11 days. 957 00:48:16,661 --> 00:48:18,911 Although you may feel grief, 958 00:48:18,951 --> 00:48:22,751 understand that he did not, and does not now. 959 00:48:25,590 --> 00:48:29,291 Hubbard died of a stroke in 1986, 960 00:48:29,311 --> 00:48:32,221 but he left no plan for succession. 961 00:48:32,261 --> 00:48:34,981 The ambitious David Miscavige stepped forward, 962 00:48:35,010 --> 00:48:37,800 and by bending arms and making deals, 963 00:48:37,820 --> 00:48:39,460 took control of the church 964 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,400 and installed a new generation of lieutenants. 965 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,100 We want to make sure 966 00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:47,609 that all of us end cycle on this completely, 967 00:48:47,659 --> 00:48:50,780 so we can get on with the job 968 00:48:50,810 --> 00:48:52,640 that is ahead of us. 969 00:48:52,660 --> 00:48:56,370 The first time I met Miscavige was in '83. 970 00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:58,200 He was a guy running back and forth 971 00:48:58,250 --> 00:49:01,669 between Hubbard and the property in hemet in a van... 972 00:49:01,709 --> 00:49:05,039 Back and forth, delivering messages. 973 00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:07,679 Worked my way through the organization. 974 00:49:07,709 --> 00:49:10,209 Miscavige would come down to Florida, 975 00:49:10,259 --> 00:49:12,009 where I was running the place, 976 00:49:12,049 --> 00:49:15,129 and we slowly but surely became friends. 977 00:49:15,169 --> 00:49:18,369 By 2001, i was working directly for Miscavige. 978 00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:21,439 We'd sit and drink a bottle of scotch, 979 00:49:21,479 --> 00:49:23,708 and I'd hear everything he had to say about the church, 980 00:49:23,738 --> 00:49:26,408 and about the people involved, from his perspective. 981 00:49:26,448 --> 00:49:29,698 And honestly, it was... It was, uh, horrifying. It was scary. 982 00:49:29,728 --> 00:49:32,349 In scientology, there was a concept 983 00:49:32,369 --> 00:49:35,518 that 98% of the people are good and 2% are evil. 984 00:49:35,538 --> 00:49:38,158 Well, he worked very hard to convince me 985 00:49:38,188 --> 00:49:39,788 that it was the other way around. 986 00:49:39,828 --> 00:49:43,078 2.5% were okay and the rest were very evil and bad. 987 00:49:43,128 --> 00:49:46,377 And somehow, they'd all been dumped on that base 988 00:49:46,417 --> 00:49:48,047 so they could be around him. 989 00:49:48,087 --> 00:49:50,247 He was... He was extremely paranoid. 990 00:49:50,297 --> 00:49:54,058 So, Marty, is Miscavige a true believer? 991 00:49:54,088 --> 00:49:54,632 Uh, yes. 992 00:49:58,877 --> 00:50:01,147 He has to continue to believe, 993 00:50:01,177 --> 00:50:02,947 because if he looks at it rationally 994 00:50:02,977 --> 00:50:05,417 and he sees that it is as I say, 995 00:50:05,447 --> 00:50:07,187 it will destroy him. 996 00:50:07,217 --> 00:50:09,397 You know, he'll just realize that... 997 00:50:09,437 --> 00:50:12,936 Because he's done a lot worse than I've done. 998 00:50:12,986 --> 00:50:15,827 He's abused people on a personal level, 999 00:50:15,857 --> 00:50:19,747 um, as a... as a... That's how he got to the top, 1000 00:50:19,777 --> 00:50:22,776 and that's how he stayed at the top. 1001 00:50:22,836 --> 00:50:25,196 At the age of 11, 1002 00:50:25,236 --> 00:50:28,456 David Miscavige joined the church with his parents. 1003 00:50:28,506 --> 00:50:31,456 As a child, his ambition caught Hubbard's eye. 1004 00:50:31,506 --> 00:50:33,705 So when Hubbard wanted to become a filmmaker, 1005 00:50:33,745 --> 00:50:36,546 Miscavige was his assistant cameraman. 1006 00:50:36,576 --> 00:50:38,176 An auditing prodigy, 1007 00:50:38,216 --> 00:50:40,646 he claimed scientology cured his asthma. 1008 00:50:40,686 --> 00:50:44,436 He became a sort of general contractor for the church, 1009 00:50:44,476 --> 00:50:46,605 and was soon named action chief... 1010 00:50:46,635 --> 00:50:49,305 The man who did whatever needed doing for a church 1011 00:50:49,355 --> 00:50:51,755 that developed a scary reputation 1012 00:50:51,775 --> 00:50:53,565 for attacking its critics. 1013 00:50:53,595 --> 00:50:55,275 Scientology has been in the headlines 1014 00:50:55,315 --> 00:50:56,786 off and on for 25 years now, 1015 00:50:56,816 --> 00:50:59,595 almost since the time it was founded as a religion. 1016 00:50:59,615 --> 00:51:01,815 Scientology's story is one of a church 1017 00:51:01,875 --> 00:51:04,705 embittered by what it perceives as harassment. 1018 00:51:04,745 --> 00:51:06,035 We're talking about attacks 1019 00:51:06,075 --> 00:51:07,945 from multi-billion dollar media conglomerates, 1020 00:51:07,965 --> 00:51:11,464 world governments... Real powers of the world. 1021 00:51:11,494 --> 00:51:14,164 They take enemies very seriously. 1022 00:51:14,214 --> 00:51:15,884 This comes right out of Hubbard's own policies 1023 00:51:15,914 --> 00:51:18,955 from the '60s, saying, "we never defend, we always attack." 1024 00:51:18,975 --> 00:51:20,974 And they have followed it ever since. 1025 00:51:21,004 --> 00:51:22,284 They call it "fair game," 1026 00:51:22,304 --> 00:51:25,424 and anybody who criticizes scientology is fair game. 1027 00:51:25,464 --> 00:51:26,974 Whatever you're told, 1028 00:51:27,014 --> 00:51:28,894 whatever needs to be done, 1029 00:51:28,934 --> 00:51:31,434 if it's against the law, it doesn't matter. 1030 00:51:31,484 --> 00:51:33,813 The best example is, in the mid '70s, 1031 00:51:33,853 --> 00:51:37,603 scientologists were walking in to these department of justice offices 1032 00:51:37,633 --> 00:51:41,444 and IRS offices and taking documents out by the yard. 1033 00:51:41,474 --> 00:51:43,694 The FBI raided the church of scientology... 1034 00:51:43,744 --> 00:51:45,913 The largest raid in FBI history at that time. 1035 00:51:45,943 --> 00:51:48,413 Oh my God. The building is filled with FBI, 1036 00:51:48,453 --> 00:51:50,203 and they're... They're taking things. 1037 00:51:50,253 --> 00:51:51,983 It was craziness. 1038 00:51:52,003 --> 00:51:55,423 Clearly, l. Ron Hubbard was in charge of all of that, 1039 00:51:55,453 --> 00:51:57,522 but he was only named an unindicted co-conspirator. 1040 00:51:57,552 --> 00:51:59,452 And Mary sue Hubbard, Hubbard's wife, 1041 00:51:59,492 --> 00:52:02,713 she went to prison, 10 others went to prison. 1042 00:52:02,763 --> 00:52:05,263 This was where i cut my teeth. I was in my early 20s, 1043 00:52:05,303 --> 00:52:06,963 Miscavige was in his early 20s. 1044 00:52:07,003 --> 00:52:08,712 We were taking over for this group 1045 00:52:08,772 --> 00:52:11,552 that had created the largest domestic espionage operation 1046 00:52:11,602 --> 00:52:13,192 in the history of the United States. 1047 00:52:13,222 --> 00:52:14,692 They were breaking into offices, 1048 00:52:14,722 --> 00:52:17,472 framing people. This is the activities of a church? 1049 00:52:17,512 --> 00:52:18,972 There was a guy who, uh, you know, 1050 00:52:19,012 --> 00:52:21,031 was a reporter for "the LA times," 1051 00:52:21,061 --> 00:52:22,362 whose dog was poisoned 1052 00:52:22,402 --> 00:52:24,612 while he was working on a scientology story. 1053 00:52:24,652 --> 00:52:26,872 Again and again while reporting the story, 1054 00:52:26,902 --> 00:52:29,792 we met many former members who describe scientology 1055 00:52:29,822 --> 00:52:33,191 as a dangerous and deeply paranoid organization. 1056 00:52:33,211 --> 00:52:35,961 They hired private detectives to harass people. 1057 00:52:35,991 --> 00:52:37,381 I have been sued twice. 1058 00:52:37,411 --> 00:52:38,631 Financial ruin. 1059 00:52:38,661 --> 00:52:39,831 Years of harassment. 1060 00:52:39,881 --> 00:52:41,701 Their homes broken into, have them beaten. 1061 00:52:41,721 --> 00:52:44,831 We chased her around. We followed her to the airport. 1062 00:52:44,891 --> 00:52:47,221 Gotten ahold of personal phone records. 1063 00:52:47,251 --> 00:52:49,641 Slashed their tires, break their car windows. 1064 00:52:49,671 --> 00:52:52,011 I was locked in a chicken wire cage. 1065 00:52:52,041 --> 00:52:55,510 Dangerous, horrifying, terrifying fraud. 1066 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,350 A nightmare. 1067 00:52:57,380 --> 00:52:59,310 Many of their stories are corroborated 1068 00:52:59,350 --> 00:53:02,680 in sworn court testimony by up to a dozen other people. 1069 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,401 Are they all lying? 1070 00:53:04,441 --> 00:53:05,601 They sat in a room, 1071 00:53:05,661 --> 00:53:07,060 they figured out what they were going to say... 1072 00:53:07,070 --> 00:53:09,910 My position, as the spokesperson, 1073 00:53:09,940 --> 00:53:13,360 was to evade the question, 1074 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,450 or sleaze around some way, 1075 00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:17,450 or give what was an acceptable answer, 1076 00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:19,579 or something that I believed at the time. 1077 00:53:19,619 --> 00:53:21,539 Please welcome Mr. Mike rinder. 1078 00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:30,929 Because scientology is perceived 1079 00:53:30,959 --> 00:53:33,679 and conceived by scientologists 1080 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,049 as being the salvation for mankind, 1081 00:53:37,089 --> 00:53:39,889 you can have people that lie 1082 00:53:39,919 --> 00:53:42,758 with a very straight face 1083 00:53:42,778 --> 00:53:45,308 if they believe that what they are doing 1084 00:53:45,358 --> 00:53:48,099 is protecting the church of scientology. 1085 00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:49,359 L. Ron Hubbard says, 1086 00:53:49,399 --> 00:53:51,599 "we do not find critics of scientology 1087 00:53:51,619 --> 00:53:53,029 "who do not have criminal pasts." 1088 00:53:53,069 --> 00:53:55,288 Do you believe that? Sure. 1089 00:53:55,318 --> 00:53:57,868 People who oppose you are undoubtedly criminals? 1090 00:53:57,908 --> 00:53:59,318 I believe that, yeah. 1091 00:53:59,378 --> 00:54:01,878 You know, there isn't and hasn't been 1092 00:54:01,908 --> 00:54:04,578 any effort which has been taken to, 1093 00:54:04,608 --> 00:54:06,457 quote, "silence critics." 1094 00:54:06,497 --> 00:54:08,468 "No, that doesn't happen. 1095 00:54:08,498 --> 00:54:10,998 "Oh, we would never do that." 1096 00:54:11,088 --> 00:54:12,998 But according to many insiders, 1097 00:54:13,058 --> 00:54:14,918 Hubbard was growing more and more vindictive 1098 00:54:14,958 --> 00:54:16,418 toward those who stood in his way. 1099 00:54:16,458 --> 00:54:21,347 He created what he called the rehabilitation project force. 1100 00:54:21,397 --> 00:54:24,097 The rpf was what we called it. 1101 00:54:24,127 --> 00:54:25,427 It was the prison camp, 1102 00:54:25,467 --> 00:54:27,017 where you'd go for re-indoctrination. 1103 00:54:27,067 --> 00:54:29,937 It was on the 7th floor 1104 00:54:29,967 --> 00:54:31,987 of the Hollywood headquarters, 1105 00:54:32,027 --> 00:54:35,157 a confined space to rehabilitate members 1106 00:54:35,197 --> 00:54:37,647 who might be harboring subversive thoughts. 1107 00:54:37,657 --> 00:54:39,827 Spanky was sent to the rpf 1108 00:54:39,867 --> 00:54:41,696 when she objected to the way the church 1109 00:54:41,746 --> 00:54:44,116 had denied medical treatment to her boss. 1110 00:54:44,146 --> 00:54:46,536 I went thinking, of course, 1111 00:54:46,586 --> 00:54:48,166 this is a big mistake. 1112 00:54:48,206 --> 00:54:50,757 And then I got there, and there were like 200 of us. 1113 00:54:50,787 --> 00:54:53,706 So much of the exec strata of the organization there 1114 00:54:53,756 --> 00:54:55,706 hit the skids simultaneously. 1115 00:54:55,766 --> 00:54:59,466 Rpf stands for rehabilitation project force. 1116 00:54:59,546 --> 00:55:02,796 It is a program that is exclusively 1117 00:55:02,836 --> 00:55:05,515 for the benefit of sea organization members. 1118 00:55:05,555 --> 00:55:08,025 If they are stressed out, 1119 00:55:08,055 --> 00:55:09,835 if they're not doing well on their job, 1120 00:55:09,855 --> 00:55:13,106 have them do menial-type work, 1121 00:55:13,146 --> 00:55:16,896 and five hours a day of auditing 1122 00:55:16,946 --> 00:55:19,285 and scientology training. 1123 00:55:19,315 --> 00:55:20,905 It's a fabulous program. 1124 00:55:20,955 --> 00:55:23,375 We were working... Cross my heart... 1125 00:55:23,405 --> 00:55:25,655 30 hours on, three hours off. 1126 00:55:25,695 --> 00:55:27,025 Doing, like, hard labor, 1127 00:55:27,045 --> 00:55:29,194 like having wire brushes on windowsills, 1128 00:55:29,214 --> 00:55:30,964 and sanding and sanding and sanding. 1129 00:55:30,994 --> 00:55:32,325 Breathing paint fumes. 1130 00:55:32,365 --> 00:55:34,535 The regular crew would eat first, 1131 00:55:34,545 --> 00:55:36,335 and then we'd get what was left. 1132 00:55:36,365 --> 00:55:38,215 It was kinda like table scraps. 1133 00:55:38,255 --> 00:55:41,034 There was mattresses out there on the roof, 1134 00:55:41,054 --> 00:55:43,534 and they were wet and soggy and gross. 1135 00:55:43,554 --> 00:55:45,474 And if you got to sleep for three hours, 1136 00:55:45,514 --> 00:55:48,974 sometimes you'd just have to up there and crash out. 1137 00:55:50,484 --> 00:55:52,914 And I had a young child at that time, 1138 00:55:52,954 --> 00:55:55,284 who was 10 months old when I went to the rpf. 1139 00:55:55,324 --> 00:55:57,184 She got taken and put in the cadet org, 1140 00:55:57,224 --> 00:55:59,994 the organization for the children. 1141 00:56:00,024 --> 00:56:03,774 And then I... I got pregnant 1142 00:56:03,824 --> 00:56:05,743 when I was in the rpf. 1143 00:56:05,783 --> 00:56:09,063 So now I'm sanding walls, eating table scraps, 1144 00:56:09,083 --> 00:56:13,503 pregnant, and worrying myself sick about my child. 1145 00:56:13,533 --> 00:56:15,834 In spanky's time, the children 1146 00:56:15,874 --> 00:56:17,843 of sea org members were separated 1147 00:56:17,873 --> 00:56:19,923 from their parents and raised in the cadet org 1148 00:56:19,963 --> 00:56:21,793 to remove all distractions 1149 00:56:21,843 --> 00:56:24,343 from their parent's ultimate responsibility, 1150 00:56:24,383 --> 00:56:26,343 to clear the planet. 1151 00:56:26,383 --> 00:56:29,962 Sea org members were often pressured to have abortions, 1152 00:56:30,022 --> 00:56:32,252 because the church viewed "getting children" 1153 00:56:32,272 --> 00:56:34,752 as an unpractical burden. 1154 00:56:34,772 --> 00:56:36,943 Initially, you're like, "this is absurd. 1155 00:56:36,973 --> 00:56:38,113 "This is nuts." 1156 00:56:38,143 --> 00:56:41,892 And then you kinda settle in and go, "well... 1157 00:56:41,932 --> 00:56:46,432 "Obviously, I need to deal with something 1158 00:56:46,452 --> 00:56:48,102 "that I'm not facing. 1159 00:56:48,122 --> 00:56:49,822 "So perhaps this is... 1160 00:56:49,872 --> 00:56:51,901 "They're doing this to make me better." 1161 00:56:55,831 --> 00:56:58,492 There are so many bizarre stories that you... 1162 00:56:58,552 --> 00:57:00,752 Just hard to believe stuff. 1163 00:57:00,782 --> 00:57:02,782 They asked if I could arrange a private screening 1164 00:57:02,802 --> 00:57:04,171 of "Saturday night fever." 1165 00:57:06,141 --> 00:57:07,891 And I was like, "what?" 1166 00:57:07,921 --> 00:57:09,621 "I had disappeared from this man's life. 1167 00:57:09,641 --> 00:57:11,341 "I abandoned him, 1168 00:57:11,391 --> 00:57:13,791 "and now you want me to arrange a private screening? 1169 00:57:13,811 --> 00:57:15,181 "What are you..." 1170 00:57:15,231 --> 00:57:17,961 I said, "is there anything else? Maybe a Beatles reunion?" 1171 00:57:20,351 --> 00:57:22,931 Travolta had been wondering where spanky was. 1172 00:57:22,971 --> 00:57:24,321 When she was sent to the rpf, 1173 00:57:24,351 --> 00:57:27,520 she was not allowed to contact him or anyone else. 1174 00:57:27,570 --> 00:57:29,640 But now, under the watch of a guard, 1175 00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:32,640 she was permitted to call travolta’s assistant. 1176 00:57:32,660 --> 00:57:35,980 She said we could use John's personal print of the film, 1177 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,751 under one condition... That you will see John. 1178 00:57:38,791 --> 00:57:40,700 I was so excited. 1179 00:57:40,750 --> 00:57:44,490 I hadn't had dialogue with him for many months. 1180 00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:46,880 We had the screening of the film, 1181 00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:48,340 and on the next night, 1182 00:57:48,380 --> 00:57:51,129 I was supposed to have dinner with Johnny. 1183 00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:52,829 And after the screening, 1184 00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:55,719 I was abruptly told i wasn't going to see him, 1185 00:57:55,769 --> 00:57:57,639 and I needed to call and cancel. 1186 00:57:57,689 --> 00:58:02,510 He was truly angry at me for... for... 1187 00:58:02,530 --> 00:58:05,609 For having allowed this abuse of myself, you know, 1188 00:58:05,649 --> 00:58:09,279 and for having that... So little of myself... 1189 00:58:11,069 --> 00:58:14,039 That I would allow this degree of degradation, 1190 00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:17,188 and, and um... And... 1191 00:58:17,208 --> 00:58:18,988 And he was my good friend, 1192 00:58:19,028 --> 00:58:22,409 and I knew that he was telling me the truth. 1193 00:58:22,459 --> 00:58:26,828 Those words were such a wakeup call for me. 1194 00:58:26,868 --> 00:58:30,028 And I went over there, to the cadet org. 1195 00:58:30,048 --> 00:58:31,748 There were so many sick children in there, 1196 00:58:31,838 --> 00:58:33,968 and my daughter was very, very ill... 1197 00:58:34,008 --> 00:58:38,008 Burning up with fever, completely neglected, 1198 00:58:38,038 --> 00:58:40,557 in a urine-soaked crib. 1199 00:58:40,597 --> 00:58:43,378 Her eyes were so filled with mucus, 1200 00:58:43,398 --> 00:58:45,728 they were welded shut. 1201 00:58:45,768 --> 00:58:48,268 She had fruit flies on her body. 1202 00:58:48,318 --> 00:58:51,717 And I just... I couldn't bear it. 1203 00:58:51,737 --> 00:58:54,327 I just went, "no, mmm-mmm, I'm done." 1204 00:58:54,357 --> 00:58:58,057 I mean, I just knew i could make these choices for me. 1205 00:58:58,077 --> 00:59:00,027 I could decide to give up my life 1206 00:59:00,067 --> 00:59:01,996 and do this to help the world, 1207 00:59:02,036 --> 00:59:04,287 but I couldn't make these choices for my children. 1208 00:59:04,337 --> 00:59:06,447 I just had to get her out. 1209 00:59:08,407 --> 00:59:11,507 I told them that I was having problems with my pregnancy, 1210 00:59:11,547 --> 00:59:13,546 and I needed to use the phone, 1211 00:59:13,576 --> 00:59:15,376 so they sent a bodyguard with me. 1212 00:59:15,416 --> 00:59:19,296 I called one of the few non-scientologists I knew, 1213 00:59:19,346 --> 00:59:22,096 a wonderful woman who happened to work for John Travolta. 1214 00:59:22,136 --> 00:59:24,687 I said, "meet me at this address." 1215 00:59:24,717 --> 00:59:26,516 I gave her a time and I hung up. 1216 00:59:26,556 --> 00:59:29,526 I go up to my daughter's room, and I wrapped her up. 1217 00:59:31,476 --> 00:59:34,566 And there's that bodyguard with me. 1218 00:59:34,616 --> 00:59:36,696 I said, "oh, my sister-in-law is in that car 1219 00:59:36,736 --> 00:59:39,095 "and she's gonna take the baby to the doctor." 1220 00:59:39,115 --> 00:59:40,535 He said, "well, has this been approved?" 1221 00:59:40,565 --> 00:59:43,115 "Of course it was approved!" 1222 00:59:43,155 --> 00:59:45,625 She's in my arms, and I got in the car. 1223 00:59:45,655 --> 00:59:48,326 My friend, she just nods her head. 1224 00:59:49,875 --> 00:59:52,165 Boom! With that, i pull my leg in, shut that door. 1225 00:59:52,215 --> 00:59:54,465 She hits the locks, and we drive. 1226 00:59:54,495 --> 00:59:56,085 And people are yelling my name, 1227 00:59:56,115 --> 00:59:58,135 saying, "spanky, no! No!" 1228 00:59:58,165 --> 01:00:00,225 I mean, just freaked out. 1229 01:00:00,255 --> 01:00:02,134 I'm thinkin' "I'm a dead person, 1230 01:00:02,174 --> 01:00:04,594 "something terrible is gonna happen to me." 1231 01:00:04,644 --> 01:00:06,474 I was just so frightened 1232 01:00:06,514 --> 01:00:09,675 that they would come to fetch me up. 1233 01:00:14,704 --> 01:00:15,934 One of the turning points 1234 01:00:15,974 --> 01:00:18,334 in travolta’s relationship with the church 1235 01:00:18,374 --> 01:00:21,994 is when he understood what was happening to spanky, 1236 01:00:22,024 --> 01:00:24,474 he didn't do anything about it. 1237 01:00:24,493 --> 01:00:27,243 I know that he certainly got exposed 1238 01:00:27,283 --> 01:00:30,254 to the fact that not everything was on the up and up. 1239 01:00:30,284 --> 01:00:32,914 Why that wasn't sufficient for him to leave, 1240 01:00:32,954 --> 01:00:35,034 I don't know. 1241 01:00:35,094 --> 01:00:39,993 I often wonder what... What could possibly keep him there? 1242 01:00:40,013 --> 01:00:41,263 Can you recall an incident 1243 01:00:41,293 --> 01:00:43,523 which occurred when your mother looked younger? 1244 01:00:43,563 --> 01:00:48,212 An auditor learns to keep notes contemporaneously 1245 01:00:48,272 --> 01:00:50,603 as he is doing a session, 1246 01:00:50,633 --> 01:00:54,023 about every detail of the person's life, 1247 01:00:54,053 --> 01:00:55,943 back to birth and beyond. 1248 01:00:55,973 --> 01:00:58,443 If you do the whole program, 1249 01:00:58,483 --> 01:01:01,012 you end up with up to a file cabinet full 1250 01:01:01,032 --> 01:01:04,952 of pre-clear folders on notations about your life, 1251 01:01:04,982 --> 01:01:07,982 your thoughts, and your considerations about your life. 1252 01:01:08,022 --> 01:01:10,402 It's the most intimate detail. 1253 01:01:10,453 --> 01:01:13,202 You're always encouraged, you're always threatened, 1254 01:01:13,242 --> 01:01:18,162 to disclose more and more and more. And all of it's recorded. 1255 01:01:18,192 --> 01:01:19,632 All of this material, 1256 01:01:19,662 --> 01:01:22,212 which is represented to you to be held sacrosanct... 1257 01:01:22,252 --> 01:01:24,801 In fact, any information 1258 01:01:24,831 --> 01:01:27,551 that might do some harm to the organization, 1259 01:01:27,591 --> 01:01:30,041 gets unclassified automatically 1260 01:01:30,061 --> 01:01:32,642 and gets reported to another branch of the church 1261 01:01:32,682 --> 01:01:34,842 that deals with "ethics." 1262 01:01:40,151 --> 01:01:42,721 Travolta was down in clearwater. 1263 01:01:42,741 --> 01:01:45,071 We'd finished the renovations. 1264 01:01:45,111 --> 01:01:47,410 Every auditing room had two cameras... 1265 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,730 One on the meter, and one on the guy getting auditing. 1266 01:01:50,740 --> 01:01:53,911 Miscavige would sit in this 15x15 room, 1267 01:01:53,951 --> 01:01:55,911 cameras of every session. 1268 01:01:55,951 --> 01:01:57,401 You can flip in between 'em, 1269 01:01:57,421 --> 01:01:59,370 and he was watching these things. 1270 01:01:59,420 --> 01:02:00,920 And it was for "training purposes." 1271 01:02:00,950 --> 01:02:02,400 Well, Travolta saw that, 1272 01:02:02,420 --> 01:02:05,340 and he said, "i will not be videoed." 1273 01:02:05,380 --> 01:02:08,340 So I was there when they were setting it up, 1274 01:02:08,380 --> 01:02:10,210 and Miscavige was directing it. 1275 01:02:10,250 --> 01:02:12,049 "Get him into a hotel room, 1276 01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:15,680 "hook up secret, private videos." 1277 01:02:16,750 --> 01:02:18,920 There were rumors 1278 01:02:18,940 --> 01:02:20,940 that he was threatening to leave, 1279 01:02:20,970 --> 01:02:23,859 and another scientologist told me that he was delegated 1280 01:02:23,889 --> 01:02:28,309 to create a black PR package... All the damaging material 1281 01:02:28,369 --> 01:02:30,649 they could use against Travolta, 1282 01:02:30,699 --> 01:02:32,949 which came from his auditing sessions. 1283 01:02:32,989 --> 01:02:35,649 I know this because I used to do it 1284 01:02:35,709 --> 01:02:39,539 when I was the head of the office of special affairs. 1285 01:02:39,579 --> 01:02:41,329 We would put a team of people 1286 01:02:41,379 --> 01:02:44,579 onto going through all of these pc folders 1287 01:02:44,609 --> 01:02:48,328 and finding things that they believe. 1288 01:02:48,388 --> 01:02:51,418 By exposing them or threatening to expose them, 1289 01:02:51,448 --> 01:02:55,058 they will cower the person 1290 01:02:55,088 --> 01:02:58,588 that they're worried about into silence. 1291 01:02:59,958 --> 01:03:01,428 There is a particular writing 1292 01:03:01,458 --> 01:03:06,068 where Hubbard is training these office of special affairs people 1293 01:03:06,098 --> 01:03:10,267 on how, when you use private information 1294 01:03:10,307 --> 01:03:13,657 to control somebody to do what you want them to do, 1295 01:03:13,687 --> 01:03:16,437 and to silence them from speaking out against scientology, 1296 01:03:16,477 --> 01:03:19,828 it's really not blackmail, because you're not asking for money. 1297 01:03:19,868 --> 01:03:21,778 But you're holding this secret information 1298 01:03:21,818 --> 01:03:24,117 over the person's head to silence them. 1299 01:03:24,147 --> 01:03:26,317 As far as Travolta is concerned, 1300 01:03:26,337 --> 01:03:29,657 people say, well, he... There's all these things that we know about 1301 01:03:29,677 --> 01:03:31,507 that have been rumored in the tabloids. 1302 01:03:31,537 --> 01:03:34,346 But in fact, it's more of a two-way street. 1303 01:03:34,376 --> 01:03:36,096 You know, he's provided with an auditor 1304 01:03:36,126 --> 01:03:37,516 whose shoulder he can cry on, 1305 01:03:37,546 --> 01:03:40,517 but he's also provided with the muscle of the church, 1306 01:03:40,547 --> 01:03:43,097 in the form of myself and Mike rinder. 1307 01:03:43,137 --> 01:03:44,307 On many occasions, 1308 01:03:44,337 --> 01:03:46,436 we were sent out to get with his publicist, 1309 01:03:46,476 --> 01:03:47,636 to get with his lawyer, 1310 01:03:47,676 --> 01:03:50,476 and to help squash or intimidate these people 1311 01:03:50,506 --> 01:03:52,776 that are making accusations against him. 1312 01:03:52,816 --> 01:03:54,276 Once that happened, 1313 01:03:54,316 --> 01:03:57,445 I think he was really the church's captive. 1314 01:03:57,485 --> 01:03:59,235 Mr. John Travolta! 1315 01:04:18,975 --> 01:04:21,535 When they were facing lawsuits and stuff like that, 1316 01:04:21,555 --> 01:04:22,835 he'd be brought forward, 1317 01:04:22,875 --> 01:04:25,675 and make his testimony about how great scientology is. 1318 01:04:25,715 --> 01:04:27,345 He had the opportunity 1319 01:04:27,375 --> 01:04:31,215 to affect the behavior of the church, and he chose not to. 1320 01:04:32,984 --> 01:04:35,654 Now I've been a scientologist for 23 years. 1321 01:04:35,684 --> 01:04:38,024 I've felt like a pioneer in many... in many ways, 1322 01:04:38,074 --> 01:04:41,574 and I've... I've seen my efforts come to fruition... 1323 01:04:41,604 --> 01:04:43,555 In various ways. 1324 01:04:43,575 --> 01:04:46,524 I think very few people can say that. 1325 01:04:46,584 --> 01:04:49,244 I've... I'm part of a... Of a frontier in a way, 1326 01:04:49,284 --> 01:04:52,564 you know, that, that very few people ever get to be part of. 1327 01:05:26,873 --> 01:05:29,323 Thank you. 1328 01:05:29,373 --> 01:05:31,903 Welcome to church! 1329 01:05:31,942 --> 01:05:35,542 It was the biggest event in scientology history, 1330 01:05:35,582 --> 01:05:38,992 and of course, Miscavige wanted to milk it for everything he had. 1331 01:05:39,052 --> 01:05:41,002 It's this grand, produced thing, 1332 01:05:41,052 --> 01:05:45,471 where it's all a single person on a gigantic stage, 1333 01:05:45,501 --> 01:05:48,792 all this sort of Nazi symbolism. 1334 01:05:49,642 --> 01:05:52,622 I clearly recall getting prepared for the event 1335 01:05:52,642 --> 01:05:54,432 and Miscavige up in that office, 1336 01:05:54,462 --> 01:05:57,091 you know, going 18-20 hours a day 1337 01:05:57,131 --> 01:06:00,101 writing this speech, and thinking to myself, 1338 01:06:00,131 --> 01:06:03,021 "my God, you know? This is not just 1339 01:06:03,071 --> 01:06:05,691 "a victory celebration, 1340 01:06:05,741 --> 01:06:08,071 "this is a... This is a coup." 1341 01:06:08,111 --> 01:06:10,611 What we are going to talk about 1342 01:06:10,641 --> 01:06:14,451 is the war to end all wars. 1343 01:06:14,501 --> 01:06:16,951 When you are in scientology, you are in all the way. 1344 01:06:16,981 --> 01:06:19,370 There's no half in and half out. 1345 01:06:19,420 --> 01:06:22,420 A decade into Miscavige's leadership, 1346 01:06:22,460 --> 01:06:24,710 a simmering crisis finally came to a boil. 1347 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:29,181 For years Hubbard had insisted that scientology was a religion 1348 01:06:29,211 --> 01:06:31,260 and should be tax-exempt, 1349 01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:35,000 so he had refused to pay any taxes. 1350 01:06:35,020 --> 01:06:37,550 We were facing a tax bill 1351 01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,140 of over a billion dollars, and the total assets, 1352 01:06:41,170 --> 01:06:44,729 liquid and material, and property of the church 1353 01:06:44,779 --> 01:06:47,809 was about a quarter of that at the time, in the '80s. 1354 01:06:47,859 --> 01:06:52,120 And so just from a real simple accounting basis, 1355 01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:53,480 it was life and death. 1356 01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,069 If we don't get exemption, we die. 1357 01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:57,019 If we get it, we survive. 1358 01:06:57,039 --> 01:06:58,909 As lrh said, 1359 01:06:58,959 --> 01:07:01,579 "one certainly couldn't contest anyone 1360 01:07:01,629 --> 01:07:04,359 "as holy as the commissioner of the IRS, 1361 01:07:04,379 --> 01:07:08,918 "whom I believe gives God his orders." Lrh. 1362 01:07:08,968 --> 01:07:10,919 Faced with this crisis, 1363 01:07:10,969 --> 01:07:13,699 David Miscavige formulated a strategy. 1364 01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:16,759 Think of the nerve that it takes 1365 01:07:16,809 --> 01:07:19,558 to decide to take on a war with the IRS. 1366 01:07:19,598 --> 01:07:21,428 The church of scientology 1367 01:07:21,478 --> 01:07:23,878 has been crucifying the federal agency 1368 01:07:23,898 --> 01:07:26,268 for its sins on a regular basis, 1369 01:07:26,318 --> 01:07:28,348 both in and out of courts. 1370 01:07:28,398 --> 01:07:32,018 Thousands of scientologists all filed lawsuits, 1371 01:07:32,058 --> 01:07:33,218 not just against the IRS, 1372 01:07:33,238 --> 01:07:36,108 but against individual IRS employees. 1373 01:07:36,158 --> 01:07:38,058 2400 total lawsuits, 1374 01:07:38,078 --> 01:07:40,948 all going at the IRS at one time. 1375 01:07:40,998 --> 01:07:42,697 It was a litigation nightmare. 1376 01:07:42,737 --> 01:07:45,417 Being Miscavige's right-hand man, 1377 01:07:45,457 --> 01:07:47,367 I was in charge of all those efforts. 1378 01:07:47,407 --> 01:07:50,617 We were not only suing them in every possible jurisdiction there was, 1379 01:07:50,677 --> 01:07:53,538 we were investigating the IRS for crimes generally, 1380 01:07:53,598 --> 01:07:55,127 or things that would offend the public. 1381 01:07:55,177 --> 01:07:57,177 These hearings into IRS integrity... 1382 01:07:57,217 --> 01:07:58,517 In the late '80s, 1383 01:07:58,547 --> 01:08:00,267 there were hearings about IRS abuses 1384 01:08:00,297 --> 01:08:01,547 that had nothing to do with scientology, 1385 01:08:01,587 --> 01:08:02,717 had nothing to do with nonprofits, 1386 01:08:02,757 --> 01:08:04,137 had nothing to do with churches. 1387 01:08:04,187 --> 01:08:06,266 They had to do with Joe taxpayer. 1388 01:08:06,306 --> 01:08:09,256 And they we were publishing these glossy, 1389 01:08:09,276 --> 01:08:10,696 expensive magazines. 1390 01:08:10,726 --> 01:08:13,776 In fact, the exposã©s of IRS crimes 1391 01:08:13,816 --> 01:08:16,697 were so hated that possession of "freedom" magazine 1392 01:08:16,737 --> 01:08:19,646 was banned by IRS officials in the IRS building. 1393 01:08:21,816 --> 01:08:26,706 There is going to be a IRS conference in the catskills. 1394 01:08:26,746 --> 01:08:29,825 Right? And so we would send a pi, 1395 01:08:29,875 --> 01:08:31,875 find out which hotel it's gonna be at, 1396 01:08:31,915 --> 01:08:35,116 get down there during happy hour, socialize. 1397 01:08:35,136 --> 01:08:38,306 And this guy's tallying who's drinkin' what. 1398 01:08:38,336 --> 01:08:40,216 And so we go through freedom of information act 1399 01:08:40,256 --> 01:08:43,505 to find out that the taxpayers are paying the bar bill, 1400 01:08:43,555 --> 01:08:45,345 and it's so much money. 1401 01:08:45,395 --> 01:08:46,595 And of course, you know, 1402 01:08:46,625 --> 01:08:48,465 in the scheme of things, it's nothing. 1403 01:08:48,475 --> 01:08:50,345 But from a PR perspective, it's everything. 1404 01:08:50,395 --> 01:08:54,434 IRS officials told me to my face 1405 01:08:54,464 --> 01:08:56,905 they weren't interested in hearing anything 1406 01:08:56,935 --> 01:09:00,825 I had to say because, and I quote, 1407 01:09:00,855 --> 01:09:02,975 "you are a scientologist. 1408 01:09:02,995 --> 01:09:06,194 "You are a mindless robot." 1409 01:09:06,244 --> 01:09:09,994 Well, those who know me can imagine my response. 1410 01:09:12,374 --> 01:09:16,204 It was short, but certainly made the point. 1411 01:09:18,094 --> 01:09:21,924 A negotiation began to take place 1412 01:09:21,964 --> 01:09:26,214 between the IRS and the church of scientology. 1413 01:09:26,264 --> 01:09:28,184 How do you define a religion? 1414 01:09:28,214 --> 01:09:29,803 It's not so easy. 1415 01:09:29,833 --> 01:09:33,933 Why is one body of thinking a religion 1416 01:09:33,973 --> 01:09:36,443 and another body not? 1417 01:09:36,473 --> 01:09:41,283 The only organization entitled to make those distinctions 1418 01:09:41,313 --> 01:09:43,313 is the IRS as an agency... 1419 01:09:43,353 --> 01:09:45,613 Very poorly equipped to do that. 1420 01:09:45,653 --> 01:09:47,403 I mean, they're mainly accountants and lawyers, 1421 01:09:47,453 --> 01:09:49,203 they're not theologians. 1422 01:09:49,243 --> 01:09:51,873 But it's the only opinion that matters. 1423 01:09:51,903 --> 01:09:55,162 Once the IRS has decided that you are a religion, 1424 01:09:55,192 --> 01:09:59,332 then you are protected by the vast protections 1425 01:09:59,382 --> 01:10:02,003 of the first amendment. 1426 01:10:02,033 --> 01:10:04,882 And, as the saying goes, 1427 01:10:04,922 --> 01:10:08,542 the rest is history. On October the first, 1993, 1428 01:10:08,552 --> 01:10:11,642 at 8:37 pm eastern standard time, 1429 01:10:11,672 --> 01:10:14,892 the IRS issued letters recognizing scientology 1430 01:10:14,932 --> 01:10:17,011 and every one of its organizations 1431 01:10:17,051 --> 01:10:20,231 as fully tax-exempt! The war is over! 1432 01:10:27,162 --> 01:10:29,021 The war ended 1433 01:10:29,061 --> 01:10:30,991 because the IRS surrendered. 1434 01:10:31,031 --> 01:10:33,191 It forgave the billion-dollar tax bill 1435 01:10:33,231 --> 01:10:36,861 and granted scientology its tax exemption. 1436 01:10:36,901 --> 01:10:39,670 Even Hubbard's novels were declared religious texts, 1437 01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:42,871 their sales exempt from taxes. 1438 01:10:42,911 --> 01:10:45,291 What happened is that Fred goldberg, 1439 01:10:45,341 --> 01:10:48,131 who was the IRS commissioner at that time... 1440 01:10:48,181 --> 01:10:51,011 Miscavige let goldberg know that if we could find a way 1441 01:10:51,051 --> 01:10:52,550 to get tax-exempt status, 1442 01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:54,410 all those lawsuits will go away overnight. 1443 01:10:54,430 --> 01:10:55,880 And as we were going out the door, 1444 01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,250 Fred goldberg goes, "is he serious?" 1445 01:10:58,270 --> 01:10:59,890 And I said, "yeah." 1446 01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:02,090 And he sort of breathed this sigh of relief, 1447 01:11:02,110 --> 01:11:04,280 kind of nodded, and smiled. 1448 01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:07,060 At the church's victory party, 1449 01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:09,860 Miscavige projected photos of the church's executives 1450 01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:13,450 celebrating with IRS officials. 1451 01:11:13,490 --> 01:11:16,539 It created this tremendous juggernaut 1452 01:11:16,569 --> 01:11:21,159 of tight conspiracy of the membership that then existed, 1453 01:11:21,209 --> 01:11:24,550 but what it really did was enable Miscavige 1454 01:11:24,580 --> 01:11:27,829 to milk every last dime 1455 01:11:27,879 --> 01:11:29,669 out of that core membership. 1456 01:11:29,719 --> 01:11:33,799 I am proud to announce the discrimination is over. 1457 01:11:33,839 --> 01:11:35,719 Your tax dona... 1458 01:11:35,759 --> 01:11:37,789 Deductions on donations to scientology 1459 01:11:37,809 --> 01:11:41,348 will no longer be disallowed by the internal revenue service. 1460 01:11:44,228 --> 01:11:46,679 In the '80s, while Hubbard was in hiding, 1461 01:11:46,739 --> 01:11:50,319 scientology was going through some very severe litigation, 1462 01:11:50,358 --> 01:11:52,188 in particular, a lawsuit in Oregon, 1463 01:11:52,238 --> 01:11:53,768 and one in Los Angeles. 1464 01:11:53,828 --> 01:11:56,328 One of them did produce a $30 million judgment. 1465 01:11:56,358 --> 01:11:58,158 This scared scientology. 1466 01:11:58,198 --> 01:12:00,078 They realized they were vulnerable. 1467 01:12:00,118 --> 01:12:01,528 And so they asked scientologists, 1468 01:12:01,578 --> 01:12:03,777 "okay, give us a few thousand dollars. 1469 01:12:03,817 --> 01:12:06,037 "You'll get a nice ribbon or something. 1470 01:12:06,087 --> 01:12:08,158 "You're not gonna get any courses from it." And this was new, 1471 01:12:08,168 --> 01:12:10,158 the idea that you would give them money 1472 01:12:10,178 --> 01:12:12,338 just to defend against lawsuits. 1473 01:12:12,378 --> 01:12:13,678 And that grew and grew. 1474 01:12:13,708 --> 01:12:16,507 Now scientologists are constantly 1475 01:12:16,547 --> 01:12:19,847 under intense pressure just to hand money over. 1476 01:12:19,887 --> 01:12:22,437 They pitch themselves as being the underdog, 1477 01:12:22,467 --> 01:12:27,056 as being the victim. And you identify with that. 1478 01:12:27,106 --> 01:12:28,677 But then they start hitting you up 1479 01:12:28,687 --> 01:12:30,807 for bigger donations, and bigger... and I got a lot of pressure. 1480 01:12:30,847 --> 01:12:34,057 And I think i donated another $250,000 to them under pressure. 1481 01:12:34,117 --> 01:12:35,677 They really know how to do it. 1482 01:12:35,697 --> 01:12:38,066 They really know how to do it, and he just was after me and after me. 1483 01:12:38,116 --> 01:12:40,316 And they said, "we're under attack, Paul." 1484 01:12:40,356 --> 01:12:42,456 This one guy who donated $25 million, 1485 01:12:42,486 --> 01:12:44,856 for no... you know, just straight donation, 1486 01:12:44,876 --> 01:12:47,286 to this... To the scientology war chest. 1487 01:12:50,026 --> 01:12:51,796 Churches are tax-exempt 1488 01:12:51,826 --> 01:12:54,886 because they're supposed to provide a public good. 1489 01:12:54,916 --> 01:12:57,046 To prove that good to the IRS, 1490 01:12:57,086 --> 01:12:59,506 churches aren't supposed to hoard their money. 1491 01:12:59,536 --> 01:13:03,505 They're supposed to spend it on services for the faithful. 1492 01:13:03,545 --> 01:13:06,675 Under this pretense, the church had made massive investments 1493 01:13:06,725 --> 01:13:08,765 in tax-free real estate all over the world. 1494 01:13:08,815 --> 01:13:11,486 And when it comes to labor costs, 1495 01:13:11,516 --> 01:13:15,185 they are almost free. 1496 01:13:15,215 --> 01:13:17,265 The Max I got paid, you know, 1497 01:13:17,325 --> 01:13:20,055 on a weekly basis was 50 bucks, 1498 01:13:20,075 --> 01:13:22,025 um, for 28 years. 1499 01:13:22,075 --> 01:13:25,394 Sea org workers take home something 1500 01:13:25,414 --> 01:13:28,994 between six and 40 cents an hour. 1501 01:13:29,034 --> 01:13:32,735 So if you've got very low labor costs, 1502 01:13:32,755 --> 01:13:36,924 no taxes to pay, and wealthy people giving you donations, 1503 01:13:36,954 --> 01:13:41,594 you can see why scientology has amassed huge piles of money. 1504 01:13:41,624 --> 01:13:43,074 How much are they worth? 1505 01:13:43,094 --> 01:13:45,434 This was a bit of a mystery, but just recently, 1506 01:13:45,464 --> 01:13:47,744 I obtained tax records that scientology 1507 01:13:47,764 --> 01:13:49,583 does have to turn in. 1508 01:13:49,603 --> 01:13:52,083 Three of the main entities of scientology... 1509 01:13:52,103 --> 01:13:53,774 And there are 20 or 30 of them... 1510 01:13:53,804 --> 01:13:56,254 But the top three, just on their own, 1511 01:13:56,274 --> 01:13:59,944 have a book value of $1.5 billion. 1512 01:14:01,233 --> 01:14:04,403 It's stunning how much money a nonprofit 1513 01:14:04,433 --> 01:14:05,983 has been able to amass. 1514 01:14:16,613 --> 01:14:20,583 It is a crime that we've given them religious recognition 1515 01:14:20,613 --> 01:14:22,283 and that they can hide behind it. 1516 01:14:22,303 --> 01:14:24,472 Meanwhile, you got very good people in there, 1517 01:14:24,502 --> 01:14:26,952 and their lives are being destroyed. 1518 01:14:26,972 --> 01:14:28,892 When I started this story, 1519 01:14:28,922 --> 01:14:32,262 I stumbled across an FBI investigation of the church. 1520 01:14:32,292 --> 01:14:35,133 They were investigating human trafficking. 1521 01:14:35,143 --> 01:14:38,232 It seemed that people were being confined against their will. 1522 01:14:38,262 --> 01:14:41,772 There were lots of reports of people being physically abused, 1523 01:14:41,802 --> 01:14:44,942 and the exploitation of labor and child labor. 1524 01:14:44,972 --> 01:14:49,021 All of these things were questions that the FBI had. 1525 01:14:49,081 --> 01:14:51,691 While that investigation was going on, 1526 01:14:51,741 --> 01:14:54,861 a case was being heard in Colorado... 1527 01:14:54,911 --> 01:14:57,782 The headleys, who were suing the church 1528 01:14:57,822 --> 01:15:01,501 for many of these same violations. 1529 01:15:01,541 --> 01:15:04,171 And the court ruled in that case 1530 01:15:04,211 --> 01:15:06,791 that these are all essentially practices 1531 01:15:06,831 --> 01:15:09,961 that are protected by the religious clause 1532 01:15:10,001 --> 01:15:12,660 of the first amendment. 1533 01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,180 Once that ruling came out, 1534 01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:16,470 the FBI dropped its investigation. 1535 01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:20,971 I think it was an indication that the church is protected. 1536 01:15:21,021 --> 01:15:24,360 Before ending cycle completely on the IRS, 1537 01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:27,030 there is one thing i do wish to do. 1538 01:15:27,060 --> 01:15:30,180 Sir. Done. 1539 01:16:27,038 --> 01:16:28,758 The "we stand tall" thing... 1540 01:16:28,788 --> 01:16:31,538 This again was part of this whole IRS thing. 1541 01:16:31,578 --> 01:16:34,038 And Miscavige kind of had this song composed 1542 01:16:34,078 --> 01:16:36,347 by the musician group they had up at the studio. 1543 01:16:36,377 --> 01:16:38,297 He was trying to turn this into... 1544 01:16:38,347 --> 01:16:41,187 This was a result of the power of this movement... 1545 01:16:50,397 --> 01:16:52,397 Which was such bullshit, 1546 01:16:52,427 --> 01:16:55,117 because it was all about control. 1547 01:16:55,147 --> 01:16:59,096 When he got absolute control, he went absolutely bonkers. 1548 01:17:11,996 --> 01:17:13,796 You know, most religions are tax-exempt 1549 01:17:13,836 --> 01:17:15,796 and many have beliefs and practices 1550 01:17:15,836 --> 01:17:19,056 that in the modern context would be considered strange. 1551 01:17:19,086 --> 01:17:20,666 Is scientology any different? 1552 01:17:20,726 --> 01:17:22,006 I mean, if you go to a Christian 1553 01:17:22,055 --> 01:17:24,926 or a Jew or a Muslim, and ask them, 1554 01:17:24,956 --> 01:17:26,456 "what do you believe?", 1555 01:17:26,476 --> 01:17:28,096 they can basically describe 1556 01:17:28,126 --> 01:17:31,146 the most important parts of their religion 1557 01:17:31,186 --> 01:17:32,766 in a minute or two. 1558 01:17:32,796 --> 01:17:34,465 Well, what does a scientologist believe? 1559 01:17:34,485 --> 01:17:37,235 You need to be in scientology for seven or eight years, 1560 01:17:37,275 --> 01:17:39,635 and in for a couple hundred thousand dollars, 1561 01:17:39,655 --> 01:17:41,695 before you finally learn this backstory 1562 01:17:41,745 --> 01:17:43,605 of xenu the galactic overlord. 1563 01:17:43,645 --> 01:17:45,524 Now, if you were told that on day one, 1564 01:17:45,574 --> 01:17:47,525 how many people would join? 1565 01:17:47,585 --> 01:17:49,245 But if they were upfront about it, 1566 01:17:49,285 --> 01:17:50,865 I'd have more respect for them. 1567 01:17:50,915 --> 01:17:52,615 But it's that sort of bait and switch 1568 01:17:52,655 --> 01:17:54,755 that people are told, "oh, it's an applied philosophy 1569 01:17:54,785 --> 01:17:56,825 "to help you with your communication." 1570 01:17:56,845 --> 01:17:58,504 Oh, yeah? 1571 01:17:58,544 --> 01:18:00,824 So why is tom cruise paying 1,000 bucks 1572 01:18:00,844 --> 01:18:03,994 to have invisible aliens pulled out of his body? 1573 01:18:12,474 --> 01:18:14,274 What happens when your zone of influence 1574 01:18:14,304 --> 01:18:15,804 is the global stage? 1575 01:18:15,844 --> 01:18:20,274 How much must one do to call themselves a scientologist? 1576 01:18:20,314 --> 01:18:23,343 How much so that when their head hits the pillow, 1577 01:18:23,363 --> 01:18:25,483 they can live with themselves, 1578 01:18:25,513 --> 01:18:28,234 knowing they did all they could do? 1579 01:18:28,284 --> 01:18:30,574 That is our final story this evening. 1580 01:18:30,624 --> 01:18:34,243 It's a story that affects every scientologist, 1581 01:18:34,293 --> 01:18:38,463 for all of us are the beneficiaries of what he presents. 1582 01:18:40,383 --> 01:18:43,083 Tom cruise was the guy. 1583 01:18:43,133 --> 01:18:47,302 Miscavige and cruise had been pretty buddy-buddy, 1584 01:18:47,342 --> 01:18:50,423 way back to "days of thunder." 1585 01:18:50,473 --> 01:18:54,473 He was on the set with him, he went skydiving with him, 1586 01:18:54,513 --> 01:18:57,842 was hangin' out with him all the time. 1587 01:18:57,902 --> 01:19:00,552 And that was when tom first met Nicole. 1588 01:19:00,572 --> 01:19:03,022 He had really fallen for her. 1589 01:19:03,052 --> 01:19:04,352 They got married, 1590 01:19:04,392 --> 01:19:07,442 and this posed a dilemma for the church, 1591 01:19:07,492 --> 01:19:08,941 because her father 1592 01:19:08,991 --> 01:19:13,162 is a well-known psychologist in Australia. 1593 01:19:13,202 --> 01:19:15,452 From the church's perspective, he's the enemy. 1594 01:19:15,502 --> 01:19:17,412 He's a suppressive person. 1595 01:19:17,452 --> 01:19:19,082 How could you ignore me like this? 1596 01:19:19,122 --> 01:19:20,831 Because Nicole is still 1597 01:19:20,871 --> 01:19:23,421 in a relationship with her father, 1598 01:19:23,461 --> 01:19:25,741 that makes her dangerous. 1599 01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:29,291 She's a potential trouble source, pts. 1600 01:19:29,351 --> 01:19:33,101 And because tom is related to her, 1601 01:19:33,131 --> 01:19:36,551 this all causes trouble from the church's perspective. 1602 01:19:36,601 --> 01:19:38,471 You have to break that dynamic. 1603 01:19:38,521 --> 01:19:41,591 Nicole... her biggest beef 1604 01:19:41,611 --> 01:19:46,310 was that tom was becoming increasingly like Dave. 1605 01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,100 She really got him to drift away from the church, 1606 01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:52,981 and tom was not really actively involved in scientology 1607 01:19:53,041 --> 01:19:56,740 between '92-ish all the way up until 2001. 1608 01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,880 They were away for more than a year 1609 01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:04,710 shooting "eyes wide shut" in the uk. 1610 01:20:04,750 --> 01:20:08,669 And cruise was not in touch with Miscavige, 1611 01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:11,049 and this drove Miscavige crazy. 1612 01:20:11,089 --> 01:20:13,789 I was assigned to, um, get him back in. 1613 01:20:13,809 --> 01:20:17,090 And that was coincident with, and... and I was to facilitate 1614 01:20:17,130 --> 01:20:19,429 the breakup with Nicole Kidman. 1615 01:20:19,459 --> 01:20:21,339 And how'd you do that? 1616 01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:23,979 Uh, well, through a lot of auditing. 1617 01:20:24,019 --> 01:20:27,599 And every session i ever gave to tom cruise... 1618 01:20:27,639 --> 01:20:31,688 And there was dozens upon dozens of them over a three-year period... 1619 01:20:31,738 --> 01:20:33,468 I had to write detailed reports 1620 01:20:33,488 --> 01:20:35,989 and send them directly to David Miscavige. 1621 01:20:36,029 --> 01:20:38,409 I would sit there every night with our scotch 1622 01:20:38,449 --> 01:20:40,749 and watch and listen to Miscavige comment 1623 01:20:40,779 --> 01:20:44,448 about cruise's sex life, and what... yeah, 1624 01:20:44,488 --> 01:20:46,288 how perverted he was. 1625 01:20:46,318 --> 01:20:49,988 Why is he gettin' daily reports on cruise? 1626 01:20:50,008 --> 01:20:52,508 Miscavige really wanted to get him back 1627 01:20:52,538 --> 01:20:54,178 into being somebody that he could use 1628 01:20:54,208 --> 01:20:58,048 to lure people into scientology and increase his own status. 1629 01:20:58,098 --> 01:21:00,878 And I was also involved in the legal team 1630 01:21:00,938 --> 01:21:05,858 and actually hiring investigators to investigate Nicole. 1631 01:21:05,888 --> 01:21:07,517 Men have to stick it in every place they can, 1632 01:21:07,557 --> 01:21:09,557 but for women... Women, it is just about 1633 01:21:09,607 --> 01:21:11,477 security and commitment... 1634 01:21:11,507 --> 01:21:13,777 Tom wanted to know exactly who she was talking to, 1635 01:21:13,817 --> 01:21:16,617 and so he wanted to tap her phone. 1636 01:21:16,647 --> 01:21:20,537 If you men only knew. 1637 01:21:20,567 --> 01:21:22,037 When I reported that day to Miscavige, 1638 01:21:22,067 --> 01:21:25,357 I reported it, like, "i mean, he wants to tap her phone." 1639 01:21:25,377 --> 01:21:27,657 He said, "God damn it, get it done." 1640 01:21:27,697 --> 01:21:31,496 And so I arranged, through the scientology's consigliere, 1641 01:21:31,526 --> 01:21:34,126 to get a private investigator 1642 01:21:34,166 --> 01:21:36,716 who physically installed a wiretap on her home. 1643 01:21:36,756 --> 01:21:38,707 And those tapes would come in, 1644 01:21:38,717 --> 01:21:42,176 and I forwarded them to Dave Miscavige. 1645 01:21:42,226 --> 01:21:44,676 The church then turned its attention 1646 01:21:44,706 --> 01:21:48,976 to their adopted children, to turn them against their mother 1647 01:21:49,016 --> 01:21:52,066 and make sure that the custody went to tom. 1648 01:21:54,405 --> 01:21:58,235 Tommy Davis, he was my liaison 1649 01:21:58,275 --> 01:22:01,576 who had to do all the things that are required 1650 01:22:01,606 --> 01:22:02,996 to please tom cruise 1651 01:22:03,026 --> 01:22:05,745 while he was being put through the scientology hoops by me. 1652 01:22:05,775 --> 01:22:10,285 He also was part of this whole reeducation program, 1653 01:22:10,335 --> 01:22:13,455 so that they would conclude that their mother 1654 01:22:13,505 --> 01:22:15,955 was a suppressive person. 1655 01:22:16,005 --> 01:22:18,174 And that was successful. 1656 01:22:18,204 --> 01:22:20,094 It was all going according to plan. 1657 01:22:20,124 --> 01:22:22,845 And of course, Miscavige would really 1658 01:22:22,885 --> 01:22:25,635 pump the oxygen into that little fire, you know. 1659 01:22:25,685 --> 01:22:30,084 Miscavige was brilliant at flaming people's fears, 1660 01:22:30,104 --> 01:22:32,224 and building up their egos. 1661 01:22:34,304 --> 01:22:36,974 So you were being audited by Marty 1662 01:22:37,024 --> 01:22:39,114 at the same time he was auditing cruise? 1663 01:22:39,144 --> 01:22:41,423 Oh, yeah, yeah, I was... Yeah, tom cruise. 1664 01:22:41,443 --> 01:22:43,944 Tom would go in, and I would go in, and tom would go in, 1665 01:22:43,984 --> 01:22:46,614 and I would go in, and so, you know... 1666 01:22:46,654 --> 01:22:49,624 And I had been audited by the best auditors on the planet. 1667 01:22:49,654 --> 01:22:51,904 The best auditor, hands down, 1668 01:22:51,944 --> 01:22:54,493 I mean, like... Like kinda Michael Jordan, 1669 01:22:54,543 --> 01:22:57,163 Wayne gretsky, kinda auditor is Marty. 1670 01:23:00,833 --> 01:23:02,803 They stole him, you know? 1671 01:23:02,833 --> 01:23:05,953 Tom thinks he's supposed to be David Miscavige. 1672 01:23:07,643 --> 01:23:10,303 By 2004, tom cruise was the most gung-ho scientologist in the world, 1673 01:23:10,343 --> 01:23:12,513 and Miscavige wanted to recognize him for it. 1674 01:23:12,563 --> 01:23:15,293 He called it the freedom medal of valor 1675 01:23:15,313 --> 01:23:18,852 and they put together this 35-minute video. 1676 01:23:18,902 --> 01:23:23,772 Ias freedom medal of valor winner, tom cruise! 1677 01:23:23,802 --> 01:23:26,143 In it, they just pump up this idea 1678 01:23:26,153 --> 01:23:30,822 that tom cruise is the ambassador of scientology to the world. 1679 01:23:30,862 --> 01:23:33,532 He's known as the biggest movie star ever. 1680 01:23:33,582 --> 01:23:35,312 Tom cruise travels this world, 1681 01:23:35,332 --> 01:23:37,482 meeting with ministers, ambassadors, 1682 01:23:37,502 --> 01:23:39,082 and the American state department, 1683 01:23:39,122 --> 01:23:44,121 advancing lrh technology straight into the corridors of power. 1684 01:23:44,171 --> 01:23:45,792 It's about improving conditions. 1685 01:23:45,822 --> 01:23:47,962 It allows you to find out for yourself. 1686 01:23:47,992 --> 01:23:49,472 There's things that we can do to help. 1687 01:23:49,512 --> 01:23:51,262 They even did a calculation, 1688 01:23:51,302 --> 01:23:53,431 where they figured between his films 1689 01:23:53,471 --> 01:23:55,501 and all the "opinion leaders" that he had met 1690 01:23:55,521 --> 01:23:57,131 and all the travel he had done... 1691 01:23:57,171 --> 01:24:00,021 Tom cruise has introduced lrh technology 1692 01:24:00,061 --> 01:24:03,670 to over one billion people of earth. 1693 01:24:03,690 --> 01:24:06,981 No question, he has been a huge asset to them. 1694 01:24:07,031 --> 01:24:09,681 Which is why the story of tom cruise, 1695 01:24:09,701 --> 01:24:14,821 scientologist, has only just begun. 1696 01:24:14,851 --> 01:24:16,850 I think it's a privilege to call yourself a scientologist, 1697 01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:18,710 and it's something that you have to earn. 1698 01:24:18,740 --> 01:24:20,660 Scientology loves to use this word "end phenomena." 1699 01:24:20,690 --> 01:24:23,540 Every level has an end phenomena, 1700 01:24:23,580 --> 01:24:24,880 you know, that you attain, 1701 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,909 and tom cruise shows that. 1702 01:24:27,970 --> 01:24:30,420 That video with him in the black turtleneck sweater? 1703 01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:32,220 A scientologist is someone who can look at the world 1704 01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:34,370 and really see what it is. 1705 01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:37,510 Not only look at it and see it, but be able to go, 1706 01:24:37,540 --> 01:24:40,759 poof, and be effective, and do something about it. 1707 01:24:40,849 --> 01:24:43,679 And he's as arrogant and as untouchable 1708 01:24:43,719 --> 01:24:45,099 as could possibly be. 1709 01:24:45,149 --> 01:24:48,229 At the same time, he looks like an utter crazy paranoiac. 1710 01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:55,029 And, uh... I know... you know, she... 1711 01:24:55,059 --> 01:24:58,699 They, said, "so, like have you met an sp?" 1712 01:25:03,068 --> 01:25:05,868 And I looked at her, 1713 01:25:05,898 --> 01:25:08,838 and I thought, "oh, what a beautiful thing," 1714 01:25:08,868 --> 01:25:11,539 because maybe one day, it'll be like that. 1715 01:25:11,579 --> 01:25:13,679 You know what I'm saying? Maybe one day, 1716 01:25:13,709 --> 01:25:16,548 it will be that... "Wow. Sp's?" 1717 01:25:16,578 --> 01:25:18,128 Like, they'll just read about those 1718 01:25:18,178 --> 01:25:20,078 in the history books, you know? 1719 01:25:20,098 --> 01:25:21,968 That's where it takes you. 1720 01:25:22,018 --> 01:25:25,608 That's the end phenomena of the scientology bridge. 1721 01:25:25,638 --> 01:25:27,717 All scientologists are full of shit. 1722 01:25:27,757 --> 01:25:29,887 You know, they lie. "Aw, I'm doing great! 1723 01:25:29,927 --> 01:25:31,778 "You gotta get on seven." 1724 01:25:31,808 --> 01:25:33,778 You know, and they're fucking... 1725 01:25:33,818 --> 01:25:36,198 "I've got a fucking migraine right now, 1726 01:25:36,228 --> 01:25:39,037 "and I've never felt so shitty!" 1727 01:25:39,067 --> 01:25:41,437 You know, that's the fucking life. 1728 01:25:43,787 --> 01:25:46,777 There's nothing part of the way for me! 1729 01:25:48,947 --> 01:25:50,546 It's just... whoo! 1730 01:25:50,576 --> 01:25:52,376 He drank the kool-aid. 1731 01:25:52,416 --> 01:25:54,877 And in the eyes of Miscavige, 1732 01:25:54,917 --> 01:25:59,467 tom cruise is the perfect scientology celebrity. 1733 01:25:59,557 --> 01:26:02,336 And nobody's benefited more from his membership. 1734 01:26:02,386 --> 01:26:05,006 I mean, the amount of free sea org labor. 1735 01:26:05,056 --> 01:26:08,456 Sea org members make 40 cents an hour, 1736 01:26:08,476 --> 01:26:10,266 and I don't think there's any way 1737 01:26:10,296 --> 01:26:12,066 tom cruise is not aware of that. 1738 01:26:12,096 --> 01:26:13,436 The church has done so much for him. 1739 01:26:13,466 --> 01:26:15,656 They tricked out all his cars and his motorcycles. 1740 01:26:15,686 --> 01:26:19,106 "Oh, I want a new limo." "We'll build it for you." 1741 01:26:19,136 --> 01:26:22,246 Decked out tom cruise's hangar in Santa Monica. 1742 01:26:22,276 --> 01:26:26,325 Installed all the audiovisual stuff in cruise's home. 1743 01:26:26,365 --> 01:26:28,665 Tom cruise had expressed this fantasy 1744 01:26:28,695 --> 01:26:32,005 of wanting to run through a meadow with Nicole Kidman. 1745 01:26:32,035 --> 01:26:34,335 And so everybody had to work, and till the soil. 1746 01:26:34,375 --> 01:26:36,626 And then David Miscavige didn't like it, 1747 01:26:36,706 --> 01:26:39,195 and so the whole thing had to be ripped up again. 1748 01:26:39,225 --> 01:26:41,505 This was at the gold facility, 1749 01:26:41,545 --> 01:26:43,175 which is this desert facility, 1750 01:26:43,215 --> 01:26:45,595 where this is all kinds of great stuff, 1751 01:26:45,635 --> 01:26:47,185 if you're tom cruise, you know? 1752 01:26:47,305 --> 01:26:48,885 Wonderful living quarters and a gym. 1753 01:26:48,935 --> 01:26:51,554 When cruise comes up, everyone's told in advance, 1754 01:26:51,604 --> 01:26:53,504 "you better have a fucking smile on your face." 1755 01:26:53,524 --> 01:26:55,604 Everyone had to call cruise "sir." 1756 01:27:18,464 --> 01:27:21,414 Thank you. 1757 01:27:21,464 --> 01:27:23,384 It's this side-by-side world. 1758 01:27:23,424 --> 01:27:25,583 There are celebrities like cruise and Travolta, 1759 01:27:25,633 --> 01:27:27,083 and then, you know, there are people 1760 01:27:27,143 --> 01:27:30,393 who tell terrible tales of what happened to them in the church... 1761 01:27:30,423 --> 01:27:34,923 Being imprisoned and really horrible psychological games. 1762 01:27:37,212 --> 01:27:39,513 Tom was in Spain. 1763 01:27:39,553 --> 01:27:43,773 They were opening up a new scientology church in Madrid. 1764 01:27:43,823 --> 01:27:46,443 And he was overheard to complain 1765 01:27:46,493 --> 01:27:48,402 that he needed a new girlfriend. 1766 01:27:48,442 --> 01:27:52,412 Soon after that, a young scientologist premed student 1767 01:27:52,442 --> 01:27:55,502 named nazanin boniadi... She was told 1768 01:27:55,532 --> 01:27:58,162 that she was going to get a special assignment. 1769 01:27:58,202 --> 01:27:59,903 Number of transactions increase... 1770 01:27:59,923 --> 01:28:02,842 Years later, nazanin became a successful TV actress 1771 01:28:02,872 --> 01:28:06,262 and she would have a small part in a Paul Haggis film. 1772 01:28:06,292 --> 01:28:09,182 But at the time, she was a dedicated young scientologist 1773 01:28:09,212 --> 01:28:11,242 who believed in the church's claims 1774 01:28:11,262 --> 01:28:13,211 for its humanitarian mission. 1775 01:28:13,251 --> 01:28:15,521 In fact, she set a monthly record 1776 01:28:15,551 --> 01:28:18,771 for selling books for the church. 1777 01:28:18,801 --> 01:28:22,262 Nazanin may not speak publicly about her experiences 1778 01:28:22,272 --> 01:28:25,281 because of an nda the church pressured her to sign, 1779 01:28:25,311 --> 01:28:28,591 but I discovered details from FBI testimony 1780 01:28:28,611 --> 01:28:30,861 regarding her ordeal. 1781 01:28:30,901 --> 01:28:33,401 David Miscavige assigned nazanin's case 1782 01:28:33,431 --> 01:28:36,040 to a key church official, Greg wilhere. 1783 01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:38,200 He put her through a one-month program 1784 01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:43,081 of on-camera interviews, intensive auditing, and security checks. 1785 01:28:43,111 --> 01:28:45,301 She was moved into the celebrity center, 1786 01:28:45,331 --> 01:28:48,780 separated from her family, and certain problems were addressed 1787 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,380 during this period of time. 1788 01:28:50,420 --> 01:28:52,720 One was, she had a boyfriend. 1789 01:28:52,750 --> 01:28:56,670 She is handed a transcript of his auditing session, 1790 01:28:56,730 --> 01:28:59,129 in which he admitted that he had an affair. 1791 01:28:59,139 --> 01:29:01,179 And so she broke up with him. 1792 01:29:01,229 --> 01:29:03,510 Then wilhere took her to an orthodontist 1793 01:29:03,570 --> 01:29:04,760 to have her braces removed. 1794 01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,930 At burberry and other stores in Beverly hills, 1795 01:29:06,970 --> 01:29:10,640 he bought her $20,000 worth of clothes. 1796 01:29:10,660 --> 01:29:12,989 At the celebrity centre, a man who worked 1797 01:29:13,019 --> 01:29:14,569 for cruise's hair stylist 1798 01:29:14,609 --> 01:29:17,639 colored nazanin's hair to cruise's liking. 1799 01:29:17,659 --> 01:29:19,659 Nazanin was told that her makeover 1800 01:29:19,699 --> 01:29:22,529 was a part of the church's humanitarian mission. 1801 01:29:22,579 --> 01:29:26,989 She had to look her best for conferences with world leaders. 1802 01:29:29,369 --> 01:29:32,659 Only after she was flown first class to New York 1803 01:29:32,679 --> 01:29:34,539 did she discover the actual role 1804 01:29:34,598 --> 01:29:36,878 that the church wanted her to play. 1805 01:29:36,928 --> 01:29:41,628 She was to be the girlfriend of scientology's biggest star. 1806 01:29:43,138 --> 01:29:46,359 Within a month, nazanin was living with cruise. 1807 01:29:46,388 --> 01:29:48,308 While at his house in Telluride, 1808 01:29:48,338 --> 01:29:49,778 Miscavige came to visit. 1809 01:29:49,808 --> 01:29:51,948 Overcome by a severe headache, 1810 01:29:51,978 --> 01:29:54,848 nazanin had a hard time understanding Miscavige, 1811 01:29:54,878 --> 01:29:56,378 which infuriated him. 1812 01:29:56,418 --> 01:29:58,847 The next day, cruise, inches from her face, 1813 01:29:58,867 --> 01:30:01,697 pounded his fist on the table and screamed at her 1814 01:30:01,737 --> 01:30:03,987 for insulting the head of the church. 1815 01:30:04,027 --> 01:30:06,357 Two weeks later, church henchman Tommy Davis 1816 01:30:06,377 --> 01:30:08,908 delivered the news to nazanin... 1817 01:30:08,958 --> 01:30:11,407 The relationship with cruise was over. 1818 01:30:11,467 --> 01:30:12,747 And they, according to her, 1819 01:30:12,797 --> 01:30:14,967 came to her apartment with her mom 1820 01:30:14,997 --> 01:30:17,837 and found every photograph of the two of them together, 1821 01:30:17,867 --> 01:30:20,807 and took them away. Every scrap, every letter, everything, 1822 01:30:20,837 --> 01:30:23,586 they... As if it never existed. 1823 01:30:23,646 --> 01:30:25,596 And she was really upset, 1824 01:30:25,646 --> 01:30:28,307 because she had been really hurt by the whole thing. 1825 01:30:28,347 --> 01:30:30,877 And she made the mistake of telling her friend, 1826 01:30:30,897 --> 01:30:34,236 who immediately went to tell someone in the church. 1827 01:30:34,266 --> 01:30:36,716 She agreed to do punishments, 1828 01:30:36,736 --> 01:30:38,936 like cleaning out the public bathrooms 1829 01:30:38,986 --> 01:30:42,026 on her hands and knees with a toothbrush, 1830 01:30:42,056 --> 01:30:46,775 while other people she knew were stepping over her. 1831 01:30:46,835 --> 01:30:48,785 She did nothing wrong, other than tell her friend 1832 01:30:48,835 --> 01:30:51,336 that she was heartbroken, and this is the way she was treated? 1833 01:30:53,286 --> 01:30:56,236 The church claims that Miscavige has no involvement 1834 01:30:56,256 --> 01:30:58,235 in cruise's personal life 1835 01:30:58,255 --> 01:31:02,295 and that the search for cruise's girlfriend never existed. 1836 01:31:05,185 --> 01:31:09,105 I wanna tell you something. 1837 01:31:09,135 --> 01:31:12,775 I have never met a more competent, 1838 01:31:12,805 --> 01:31:15,805 a more intelligent, a more tolerant, 1839 01:31:15,855 --> 01:31:18,095 a more compassionate being, 1840 01:31:18,115 --> 01:31:23,314 outside of what I've experienced from lrh. 1841 01:31:23,364 --> 01:31:26,404 And I've met the leaders of leaders. 1842 01:31:26,434 --> 01:31:28,484 Okay? I've met them all. 1843 01:31:28,534 --> 01:31:29,934 And so I say to you, sir, cob, 1844 01:31:29,954 --> 01:31:32,775 we are lucky to have you and thank you very much. 1845 01:31:34,114 --> 01:31:36,074 While Miscavige would do anything 1846 01:31:36,124 --> 01:31:38,244 for the church's most famous celebrity, 1847 01:31:38,294 --> 01:31:40,164 Miscavige began to turn against 1848 01:31:40,214 --> 01:31:43,164 the sea org's highest-ranking executives. 1849 01:31:43,214 --> 01:31:46,803 He pretty much had international management shut down. 1850 01:31:46,843 --> 01:31:49,093 He was into this deep paranoia thing 1851 01:31:49,123 --> 01:31:50,643 about everybody is out to get him. 1852 01:31:50,673 --> 01:31:53,674 He very definitely 1853 01:31:53,734 --> 01:31:56,294 wiped out that organizational pattern 1854 01:31:56,314 --> 01:31:58,643 in order to be able to have ultimate power. 1855 01:31:58,683 --> 01:32:00,933 In 2004, 1856 01:32:00,973 --> 01:32:03,983 Miscavige ordered the top officers of the sea org 1857 01:32:04,023 --> 01:32:06,273 to the scientology's gold base 1858 01:32:06,303 --> 01:32:07,823 in Southern California. 1859 01:32:07,863 --> 01:32:10,912 He forced them to live in a pair of double-wide trailers 1860 01:32:10,942 --> 01:32:13,332 that came to be called "the hole." 1861 01:32:13,362 --> 01:32:15,333 The doors had bars put on them, 1862 01:32:15,363 --> 01:32:17,663 the windows all had bars put on them, 1863 01:32:17,703 --> 01:32:20,083 and there was one entrance door 1864 01:32:20,122 --> 01:32:23,252 that a security guard sat at 24 hours a day. 1865 01:32:23,292 --> 01:32:25,342 They had to stay there, sleep there. 1866 01:32:25,372 --> 01:32:28,762 It stunk and, you know, there were ants crawling around. 1867 01:32:28,792 --> 01:32:31,042 You'd sleep about an hour or two hours a night. 1868 01:32:31,102 --> 01:32:33,381 Um, you were in such a mental state 1869 01:32:33,431 --> 01:32:36,102 that you're very controllable, very suggestible. 1870 01:32:36,132 --> 01:32:38,672 We were told we needed to come up 1871 01:32:38,692 --> 01:32:41,052 with what each other's crimes were 1872 01:32:41,112 --> 01:32:42,892 against Miscavige and Hubbard, 1873 01:32:42,942 --> 01:32:44,891 so that we could eventually get out of the hole. 1874 01:32:44,941 --> 01:32:47,311 Scientology is really good 1875 01:32:47,351 --> 01:32:49,701 at making you think that you are a scoundrel. 1876 01:32:49,731 --> 01:32:53,121 "Confess your crimes! Confess your crimes! What have you done?" 1877 01:32:53,151 --> 01:32:54,231 Fights would break out. 1878 01:32:54,291 --> 01:32:57,071 Miscavige would get me all riled up. 1879 01:32:57,121 --> 01:32:59,191 And I remember one time, Mike had done something, 1880 01:32:59,211 --> 01:33:01,041 or not done something, i don't remember, 1881 01:33:01,081 --> 01:33:02,991 and I was supposed to go beat him up. 1882 01:33:03,031 --> 01:33:05,241 One executive was made to mop up 1883 01:33:05,301 --> 01:33:07,161 the bathroom floor with his tongue. 1884 01:33:07,201 --> 01:33:10,030 Another was put into a bucket, 1885 01:33:10,050 --> 01:33:13,000 and pummeled by some of the women, and called a lesbian. 1886 01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,060 There was a very powerful air conditioner, 1887 01:33:16,090 --> 01:33:17,541 which blew straight down, 1888 01:33:17,561 --> 01:33:19,640 it was set on maximum cold, 1889 01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:21,810 and a guy was made to sit in a chair, 1890 01:33:21,850 --> 01:33:23,480 and had water poured on his head 1891 01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,770 until he literally turned blue. 1892 01:33:26,820 --> 01:33:28,940 Miscavige slapped me across the face, 1893 01:33:28,990 --> 01:33:30,720 knocked me on the ground, kicked me a couple times. 1894 01:33:30,740 --> 01:33:32,989 Flailing fists, kneeing him in the stomach, 1895 01:33:33,019 --> 01:33:34,489 getting him on the floor. 1896 01:33:34,529 --> 01:33:39,060 And you think, you want to get up and retaliate, 1897 01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:42,080 but you also think, "i got 75 other people 1898 01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:46,419 "who are all likely to tackle me if I did"... 1899 01:33:46,449 --> 01:33:50,169 And then you got the sheer shock of it. 1900 01:33:50,209 --> 01:33:52,009 Here's the equivalent of the pope 1901 01:33:52,039 --> 01:33:54,409 suddenly knocking you on the ground, 1902 01:33:54,429 --> 01:33:56,008 and you're thinking, 1903 01:33:56,048 --> 01:33:59,769 "i must have really screwed up." 1904 01:34:01,719 --> 01:34:03,689 It was a poisonous environment. 1905 01:34:03,719 --> 01:34:05,889 People were really frightened. 1906 01:34:05,939 --> 01:34:08,388 And this went on for years. 1907 01:34:08,428 --> 01:34:10,558 This isn't a couple of days. 1908 01:34:10,608 --> 01:34:13,098 The nominal president of the church, 1909 01:34:13,108 --> 01:34:14,448 this man named heber jentszch, 1910 01:34:14,478 --> 01:34:16,118 he was in there for seven years. 1911 01:34:16,148 --> 01:34:17,698 What is the statement? 1912 01:34:17,738 --> 01:34:19,597 "God helps those who help themselves." 1913 01:34:19,617 --> 01:34:21,148 Well, in scientology, we're engaged 1914 01:34:21,208 --> 01:34:22,868 in helping people help themselves, 1915 01:34:22,908 --> 01:34:26,958 so they can fully comprehend and understand God. 1916 01:34:33,797 --> 01:34:35,637 One night, 1917 01:34:35,667 --> 01:34:38,547 Miscavige comes into the hole with a boom box. 1918 01:34:38,587 --> 01:34:42,057 He said, "I'm gonna teach you all a lesson. 1919 01:34:42,087 --> 01:34:44,587 "We're all gonna play musical chairs." 1920 01:34:44,627 --> 01:34:46,227 And musical chairs is a scientology 1921 01:34:46,257 --> 01:34:48,097 administrative term for when you move people 1922 01:34:48,127 --> 01:34:51,517 from different posts rapidly, and you create instability. 1923 01:34:51,567 --> 01:34:52,847 They played the damned music. 1924 01:34:58,026 --> 01:34:59,476 He said, "we're gonna play it 1925 01:34:59,486 --> 01:35:01,656 to 'bohemian rhapsody' by queen." 1926 01:35:01,696 --> 01:35:03,247 And he emphasized the line... 1927 01:35:05,277 --> 01:35:07,696 "Nothing matters anymore." And that's your whole attitude, 1928 01:35:07,746 --> 01:35:09,416 that's where you live, that's who you are. 1929 01:35:09,446 --> 01:35:10,726 Playing that music, and stop it, 1930 01:35:10,756 --> 01:35:12,286 and everyone would have to grab a chair. 1931 01:35:12,316 --> 01:35:14,316 And there's one person left standing. 1932 01:35:21,925 --> 01:35:23,875 What Miscavige has warned them 1933 01:35:23,935 --> 01:35:27,136 is that the last person who remains gets to stay. 1934 01:35:27,166 --> 01:35:28,496 "Everybody else, you're expelled. 1935 01:35:28,516 --> 01:35:30,215 "You're going to be thrown out of the sea org." 1936 01:35:30,275 --> 01:35:34,805 These people were fighting to stay in the hole. 1937 01:35:34,845 --> 01:35:37,845 Throwing people around, scratching, kicking. 1938 01:35:37,865 --> 01:35:40,815 They're tearing chairs apart, they're ripping clothing. 1939 01:35:40,845 --> 01:35:42,114 And whatever it took. 1940 01:35:48,075 --> 01:35:51,455 But then nothing happens. 1941 01:35:56,524 --> 01:35:59,794 "Out of the goodness of my heart, you can stay. 1942 01:35:59,834 --> 01:36:01,994 "But you better come clean. You better... 1943 01:36:02,034 --> 01:36:04,214 "I better have some good confessions out of you." 1944 01:36:04,254 --> 01:36:07,884 I... I mean, you... You know... 1945 01:36:07,924 --> 01:36:11,094 As much as they get into everything that you ever think or do, 1946 01:36:11,144 --> 01:36:13,644 they never got into my think on this score, 1947 01:36:13,684 --> 01:36:16,064 that I would never go to prison. 1948 01:36:16,094 --> 01:36:19,233 And so it was inevitable, when I got... when I... 1949 01:36:19,263 --> 01:36:21,813 He literally created this prison camp. 1950 01:36:21,853 --> 01:36:25,853 Um, it was inevitable that I wasn't gonna last there. 1951 01:36:31,333 --> 01:36:34,113 It's embarrassing to have ever been involved with, 1952 01:36:34,163 --> 01:36:35,703 to think about it. 1953 01:36:35,733 --> 01:36:37,783 "God, I can't even believe I'm talkin' about it." 1954 01:36:37,833 --> 01:36:39,373 But it was bad. 1955 01:36:42,092 --> 01:36:44,442 Let's say the FBI showed up at the hole, 1956 01:36:44,472 --> 01:36:46,842 and said, "this is the FBI. We're lettin' everyone out." 1957 01:36:46,872 --> 01:36:49,513 Do you think everyone would have said, "oh, thank God, the FBI's here"? 1958 01:36:49,543 --> 01:36:52,262 No. I think that everybody, one for one, 1959 01:36:52,302 --> 01:36:54,382 would have gone, "what do you mean? 1960 01:36:54,422 --> 01:36:56,602 "We... we're doing this voluntarily. 1961 01:36:56,632 --> 01:36:59,102 "We like living in these conditions." 1962 01:36:59,142 --> 01:37:00,522 Over the past week, 1963 01:37:00,562 --> 01:37:02,302 we've been reporting on allegations of physical abuse 1964 01:37:02,362 --> 01:37:03,722 inside the church of scientology. 1965 01:37:03,782 --> 01:37:05,861 We spoke with the ex-wives of some of the men 1966 01:37:05,891 --> 01:37:07,311 making the claims of abuse. 1967 01:37:07,361 --> 01:37:09,031 I read all of your affidavits. 1968 01:37:09,061 --> 01:37:11,062 Obviously, your ex-husbands have made charges 1969 01:37:11,102 --> 01:37:12,532 against David Miscavige, 1970 01:37:12,572 --> 01:37:15,282 saying that they have seen repeated acts of physical violence 1971 01:37:15,322 --> 01:37:16,571 perpetrated by Mr. Miscavige. 1972 01:37:16,601 --> 01:37:18,701 Is... is any of that true? 1973 01:37:18,741 --> 01:37:21,241 No. No. Not one ounce of it. 1974 01:37:21,281 --> 01:37:23,911 That's not the character of Mr. David Miscavige. 1975 01:37:23,941 --> 01:37:27,251 My ex-wife, Marty rathbun's ex-wife, 1976 01:37:27,281 --> 01:37:30,970 tom de vocht's ex-wife, that were on "Anderson Cooper," 1977 01:37:31,050 --> 01:37:33,301 they all came out of the hole! 1978 01:37:33,341 --> 01:37:35,891 They were all sent there to do that. 1979 01:37:35,921 --> 01:37:38,141 They went back to the hole! 1980 01:37:38,181 --> 01:37:39,930 It's just ridiculous. 1981 01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,430 This line that my ex-wife said... 1982 01:37:42,460 --> 01:37:45,480 I lived with Mike rinder for over 35 years. 1983 01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,770 I know every square inch of Mike rinder's body. 1984 01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,600 She said it because she was told to say it by Miscavige. 1985 01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:53,740 And the proof of that is, when tom de vocht's ex-wife 1986 01:37:53,780 --> 01:37:57,610 then repeated the same thing over again... 1987 01:37:57,650 --> 01:37:59,660 I know every inch of him. 1988 01:37:59,700 --> 01:38:01,450 You gotta be kidding me! 1989 01:38:01,480 --> 01:38:02,580 Everything that happens 1990 01:38:02,620 --> 01:38:04,449 from the church of scientology is scripted. 1991 01:38:04,489 --> 01:38:06,499 Don't ever turn the other cheek and acquiesce, 1992 01:38:06,539 --> 01:38:08,289 hit 'em back. 1993 01:38:08,319 --> 01:38:12,509 Marty rathbun suddenly went and leapt on top of Mike rinder 1994 01:38:12,539 --> 01:38:14,290 and fought him to the ground 1995 01:38:14,330 --> 01:38:16,849 and started choking him and beating him. 1996 01:38:16,879 --> 01:38:18,849 And nothing seems to have been done about it. 1997 01:38:18,879 --> 01:38:20,769 Mr. Miscavige was not at the property at the time. 1998 01:38:20,799 --> 01:38:22,269 Do you not have telephones? 1999 01:38:22,299 --> 01:38:23,799 Of course we have telephones. 2000 01:38:23,839 --> 01:38:26,139 I think you're being quite rude and quite insulting. 2001 01:38:26,169 --> 01:38:28,338 Here's the bottom line. Here's the bottom line... 2002 01:38:28,358 --> 01:38:30,888 There is no history of violence in the church. 2003 01:38:30,948 --> 01:38:33,808 As somebody who ran PR for the church for a long time, 2004 01:38:33,848 --> 01:38:37,449 do you have any regret for anything that you did in that capacity? 2005 01:38:37,489 --> 01:38:39,898 Well, I think the biggest regret 2006 01:38:39,948 --> 01:38:44,368 is when John sweeney at "panorama" was doing his program, 2007 01:38:44,408 --> 01:38:46,738 it was the culmination of a lot... 2008 01:38:46,788 --> 01:38:49,158 I mean, I'd been in the hole for a year. 2009 01:38:49,198 --> 01:38:52,247 And I ended up being sent to england. 2010 01:38:52,297 --> 01:38:54,827 Hi, Mike. He was constantly going, 2011 01:38:54,867 --> 01:38:58,338 "well, why do you have private investigators following me?" 2012 01:38:58,368 --> 01:39:00,468 I'm like... That never happened! 2013 01:39:00,508 --> 01:39:02,038 Ever, ever happened! 2014 01:39:02,058 --> 01:39:03,587 And of course there were. 2015 01:39:03,637 --> 01:39:05,387 I was following John sweeney. 2016 01:39:05,427 --> 01:39:08,097 Oh, there it is. 2017 01:39:08,147 --> 01:39:11,067 Okay, there we are. 2018 01:39:11,097 --> 01:39:12,767 He's got his camera, 2019 01:39:12,817 --> 01:39:14,566 he's standing there and he's saying, 2020 01:39:14,606 --> 01:39:18,017 "i want a response. I have credible witnesses. 2021 01:39:18,057 --> 01:39:22,327 "Did David Miscavige physically assault you?" 2022 01:39:22,357 --> 01:39:23,577 And I said... 2023 01:39:23,607 --> 01:39:28,076 Those allegations are absolute, utter rubbish. 2024 01:39:28,166 --> 01:39:30,866 Absolute, utter rubbish. 2025 01:39:30,906 --> 01:39:32,756 You have been assaulted by Miscavige? 2026 01:39:32,786 --> 01:39:35,166 Many times, many times. 2027 01:39:35,206 --> 01:39:38,205 Perhaps more than anybody else. 2028 01:39:38,245 --> 01:39:42,426 I was now sort of 2029 01:39:42,466 --> 01:39:45,426 at the end of my rope. 2030 01:39:46,886 --> 01:39:50,215 It was a real moment of clarity for me... 2031 01:39:50,255 --> 01:39:52,585 "I don't want to be doing this anymore. 2032 01:39:52,605 --> 01:39:54,635 "This is nuts!" 2033 01:39:54,695 --> 01:39:59,365 That was actually the last thing that I did before I left. 2034 01:40:09,435 --> 01:40:13,494 So I'd been in scientology about two and a half years. 2035 01:40:13,544 --> 01:40:15,744 I am kickin' ass. 2036 01:40:15,774 --> 01:40:19,384 I felt like I had gotten out of the fuckin' trap. 2037 01:40:19,414 --> 01:40:22,085 I didn't have to have a problem. 2038 01:40:22,135 --> 01:40:24,415 I said, "I'm done with auditing." 2039 01:40:24,455 --> 01:40:27,384 But they insisted on gettin' me back, 2040 01:40:27,424 --> 01:40:30,144 and said just, "believe us, believe us, believe us." 2041 01:40:30,174 --> 01:40:32,894 I got so fucked up. 2042 01:40:32,924 --> 01:40:35,794 I mean, they... they... I went insane. 2043 01:40:35,814 --> 01:40:38,843 I was, like, stuck somewhere 2044 01:40:38,903 --> 01:40:41,653 in a tiny spot behind my eyeballs, 2045 01:40:41,683 --> 01:40:44,524 looking this way. 2046 01:40:44,574 --> 01:40:48,024 I mean, I... I'd never experienced anything like it. 2047 01:40:48,074 --> 01:40:50,913 10 fuckin' years! 2048 01:40:51,833 --> 01:40:55,413 I was worse than the day that I walked in. 2049 01:40:55,453 --> 01:40:58,253 It was by design, 'cause they needed to... 2050 01:40:58,283 --> 01:41:00,253 To keep me in there. 2051 01:41:00,283 --> 01:41:01,952 So basically, they had to 2052 01:41:01,992 --> 01:41:04,623 put a whole new case on me, so they could run it. 2053 01:41:04,663 --> 01:41:08,173 And they just kept tryin' to fuckin' keep me stuck in. 2054 01:41:08,213 --> 01:41:09,663 It was crazy! 2055 01:41:09,693 --> 01:41:14,802 So I finally said, "I'm going my way. You guys go yours." 2056 01:41:14,832 --> 01:41:18,682 I was pissed. I was sad. I was disillusioned. 2057 01:41:18,722 --> 01:41:21,942 And I thought, "maybe somebody could interview me, 2058 01:41:21,972 --> 01:41:24,672 "ask me some questions about scientology." 2059 01:41:24,692 --> 01:41:28,842 How I got into scientology, and why I got out. 2060 01:41:28,862 --> 01:41:30,652 Post this two-hour thing, 2061 01:41:30,682 --> 01:41:33,482 and it was the ♪1 thing on YouTube for two days 2062 01:41:33,532 --> 01:41:35,522 before it "mysteriously" disappeared. 2063 01:41:35,542 --> 01:41:36,741 The best traps... 2064 01:41:36,791 --> 01:41:39,321 You get a guy to just keep himself in jail. 2065 01:41:39,361 --> 01:41:42,491 Right? And that's what scientology does. 2066 01:41:42,531 --> 01:41:44,991 I started getting all this communication 2067 01:41:45,031 --> 01:41:46,632 because of that video. 2068 01:41:46,662 --> 01:41:49,701 You know, "you saved my family." 2069 01:41:49,721 --> 01:41:51,671 You know, "you've... I finally had the courage 2070 01:41:51,701 --> 01:41:53,871 "to leave after I watched your thing." 2071 01:41:53,891 --> 01:41:58,511 You know? I mean, like, there's blood and tears. 2072 01:41:58,561 --> 01:42:00,560 And then I started to find out, 2073 01:42:00,590 --> 01:42:02,880 you know, all the stuff that was really happening. 2074 01:42:02,900 --> 01:42:05,010 You know, I lost money, i got fucked, 2075 01:42:05,050 --> 01:42:08,381 but then I found out about the abuse in the sea org. 2076 01:42:08,401 --> 01:42:11,390 And I felt like, "fuck me, i gotta do somethin' about it." 2077 01:42:11,410 --> 01:42:14,160 And I finally tracked down Marty rathbun. 2078 01:42:14,190 --> 01:42:15,890 Everybody thought he was dead. 2079 01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:18,360 He was in fuckin' Mexico. And I went down there, 2080 01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:20,400 and I basically convinced him to talk. 2081 01:42:20,410 --> 01:42:22,230 And, like, "we gotta do somethin'." 2082 01:42:22,250 --> 01:42:23,869 And then he started his blog. 2083 01:42:27,910 --> 01:42:29,840 There was a beating every day. 2084 01:42:29,870 --> 01:42:31,170 And if it wasn't him doin' it, 2085 01:42:31,210 --> 01:42:35,089 it was from him inciting others to do it to others. 2086 01:42:35,129 --> 01:42:36,929 I think that it's a cult. 2087 01:42:36,959 --> 01:42:39,349 I'm doin' my own thing, i want to get on with my life. 2088 01:42:39,379 --> 01:42:41,219 I am telling the truth. 2089 01:42:41,249 --> 01:42:43,469 Suddenly I heard senior members of the church 2090 01:42:43,519 --> 01:42:45,089 were speaking out, 2091 01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:48,718 so I started to look, and I started to read. 2092 01:42:48,758 --> 01:42:50,729 And then I started to reach out to people. 2093 01:42:50,759 --> 01:42:53,899 Two of my daughters are gay, and told me 2094 01:42:53,929 --> 01:42:57,279 how they'd been treated within the church. I didn't know. 2095 01:42:57,369 --> 01:43:00,118 Paul Haggis's daughters were openly harassed 2096 01:43:00,198 --> 01:43:02,198 by church members for being gay. 2097 01:43:02,238 --> 01:43:04,408 Investigating further, Haggis discovered 2098 01:43:04,438 --> 01:43:07,538 that church doctrine viewed homosexuality as a disease 2099 01:43:07,578 --> 01:43:10,209 that only Hubbard's teachings could cure. 2100 01:43:10,249 --> 01:43:12,378 And a California chapter of scientology 2101 01:43:12,418 --> 01:43:15,548 had supported a ban on gay marriage. 2102 01:43:15,588 --> 01:43:17,748 I can't be part of an organization 2103 01:43:17,788 --> 01:43:21,058 that doesn't support 2104 01:43:21,088 --> 01:43:23,307 human rights for everyone. 2105 01:43:25,647 --> 01:43:28,977 So I sent a letter to 25 friends in the church 2106 01:43:29,017 --> 01:43:30,727 that I was resigning. 2107 01:43:30,767 --> 01:43:33,188 And I'd hoped they'd read this letter 2108 01:43:33,238 --> 01:43:37,607 and be horrified by the things I'd found out. 2109 01:43:41,657 --> 01:43:44,107 A few days later, I drive home. 2110 01:43:44,147 --> 01:43:46,366 There have to be 10 people standing in my front yard. 2111 01:43:46,416 --> 01:43:48,746 I recognize them. They're my friends. 2112 01:43:48,786 --> 01:43:51,646 They said, "Paul, we need you to tear up this letter. 2113 01:43:51,666 --> 01:43:53,867 "And we need you to get all the copies and tear them up, 2114 01:43:53,917 --> 01:43:55,837 "and resign quietly." 2115 01:43:55,877 --> 01:43:57,956 I said, "i don't do that." You know? 2116 01:43:57,996 --> 01:43:59,486 "I'm sorry. I don't do that." 2117 01:43:59,506 --> 01:44:02,256 I sent a copy to Marty rathbun. 2118 01:44:02,296 --> 01:44:04,876 He put it on his blog, one page on a day, 2119 01:44:04,936 --> 01:44:08,046 and didn't reveal my name until the Friday. 2120 01:44:08,106 --> 01:44:10,105 Monday morning, I woke up. 2121 01:44:10,135 --> 01:44:14,176 600 of the top newspapers of the world had it. 2122 01:44:14,196 --> 01:44:16,356 You know, it was in Bulgaria. 2123 01:44:16,396 --> 01:44:20,316 I mean, it was reprinted in seven languages. 2124 01:44:20,346 --> 01:44:22,815 I went, "oh my God, what have I done?" 2125 01:44:22,845 --> 01:44:26,285 I mean... it did garner a lot of interest. 2126 01:44:26,315 --> 01:44:27,905 People will judge you, one way or the other. 2127 01:44:27,955 --> 01:44:31,355 I figured people would judge me as really stupid. 2128 01:44:31,375 --> 01:44:33,694 But then, I was really stupid. 2129 01:44:33,704 --> 01:44:38,365 I was a part of this for 30 years before i spoke out. 2130 01:44:38,395 --> 01:44:42,045 I felt deeply ashamed. 2131 01:44:42,085 --> 01:44:46,004 Why didn't I do it earlier? Why didn't I look earlier? 2132 01:44:48,924 --> 01:44:52,174 People are so indoctrinated, 2133 01:44:52,214 --> 01:44:55,674 and have been in scientology a really long, long time. 2134 01:44:55,714 --> 01:44:58,684 Or they've grown up in it, and they don't know anything else. 2135 01:44:58,714 --> 01:45:03,684 It's so scary to them to have to start all over, 2136 01:45:03,724 --> 01:45:06,224 and it takes a really strong person 2137 01:45:06,244 --> 01:45:08,404 to stand up to them and say no. 2138 01:45:10,073 --> 01:45:12,063 In 2009, 2139 01:45:12,083 --> 01:45:15,743 my son was on staff at the church. 2140 01:45:15,783 --> 01:45:18,504 And "the truth rundown" came out in the "St. Pete times," 2141 01:45:18,534 --> 01:45:21,073 exposing what was going on 2142 01:45:21,093 --> 01:45:25,093 with the beatings, people in the hole. 2143 01:45:25,123 --> 01:45:26,623 The church was very mad at my son, 2144 01:45:26,673 --> 01:45:28,463 because he knew it was going to happen, 2145 01:45:28,513 --> 01:45:30,383 and he didn't tell them. 2146 01:45:30,413 --> 01:45:33,012 And he didn't tell them because he had a good friend 2147 01:45:33,052 --> 01:45:35,352 that became friends with Mike rinder 2148 01:45:35,382 --> 01:45:37,272 and Marty rathbun, 2149 01:45:37,302 --> 01:45:40,643 and he believed what they were saying in "the truth rundown." 2150 01:45:42,943 --> 01:45:45,062 The church was threatening, 2151 01:45:45,092 --> 01:45:47,892 that he was gonna get declared a suppressive person 2152 01:45:47,932 --> 01:45:51,312 if he didn't disconnect from his friend. 2153 01:45:51,372 --> 01:45:53,902 My son, he was raised a scientologist, 2154 01:45:53,932 --> 01:45:56,291 you know, and he'd been on staff. 2155 01:45:56,321 --> 01:45:58,151 He made 30 bucks a week. 2156 01:45:58,211 --> 01:45:59,992 He headed up their boy scout troop. 2157 01:46:00,042 --> 01:46:03,742 He was like this consummate youth of scientology. 2158 01:46:03,782 --> 01:46:07,832 The continental justice chief called him on the phone. 2159 01:46:07,881 --> 01:46:10,281 And it was after that the declare came down, 2160 01:46:10,301 --> 01:46:12,971 and he was just devastated. 2161 01:46:13,001 --> 01:46:16,891 The church told his friends everything they could find 2162 01:46:16,921 --> 01:46:21,011 in his pc folder to ruin his reputation. 2163 01:46:21,061 --> 01:46:23,761 I wrote this petition. 2164 01:46:23,801 --> 01:46:28,571 I tried to put in everything good that my son had done. 2165 01:46:28,601 --> 01:46:30,151 "Dear Sarah, thank you for the letter 2166 01:46:30,191 --> 01:46:33,270 "that you sent regarding the situation with Nick lister. 2167 01:46:33,310 --> 01:46:38,310 "I cannot approve that you continue your connection with Nick." 2168 01:46:38,330 --> 01:46:41,280 No one's gonna tell me when I can and can't speak to him. 2169 01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:44,420 No one, but me. 2170 01:46:44,450 --> 01:46:47,590 "Your committee of evidence findings and recommendations 2171 01:46:47,620 --> 01:46:50,420 "recommended you be labeled suppressive, 2172 01:46:50,460 --> 01:46:53,210 "engaging in malicious rumor mongering 2173 01:46:53,260 --> 01:46:56,849 "to destroy the authority or repute of higher officers 2174 01:46:56,879 --> 01:47:00,179 "or the leading names of scientology." 2175 01:47:00,219 --> 01:47:02,349 My husband was charged with that one, 2176 01:47:02,389 --> 01:47:03,970 because he was telling me 2177 01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,009 what he read on the Internet about David Miscavige. 2178 01:47:07,019 --> 01:47:09,389 They say, "don't go on the Internet, don't read. 2179 01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:10,809 "Don't go to these sites." 2180 01:47:10,839 --> 01:47:14,349 From the time that I got in, 2181 01:47:14,369 --> 01:47:18,069 for 30 years, I never read one critical thing about scientology. 2182 01:47:18,119 --> 01:47:20,788 When I finally decided to open my eyes and look, 2183 01:47:20,818 --> 01:47:23,068 I was shocked, just shocked. 2184 01:47:23,118 --> 01:47:25,189 But if you're a member of the church of scientology, 2185 01:47:25,209 --> 01:47:29,039 and someone in your family, or a friend, or your spouse, 2186 01:47:29,079 --> 01:47:32,628 is skeptical or critical of the church of scientology, 2187 01:47:32,668 --> 01:47:35,748 you are supposed to disconnect yourself from that person... 2188 01:47:35,798 --> 01:47:39,388 Tommy Davis, who was the spokesperson for the church, 2189 01:47:39,418 --> 01:47:43,427 he's being asked about the policy of disconnection. 2190 01:47:43,477 --> 01:47:46,088 Anything that's characterized as disconnection 2191 01:47:46,148 --> 01:47:48,258 or this kinda thing, it's just... it's just not true. 2192 01:47:48,318 --> 01:47:50,848 There isn't... I confronted him about this. 2193 01:47:50,878 --> 01:47:53,898 And I said, "Tommy, I don't need to search outside to ask for... 2194 01:47:53,938 --> 01:47:56,237 "To check research and see if other... 2195 01:47:56,267 --> 01:47:58,437 "This has happened to other people. This happened to my wife. 2196 01:47:58,487 --> 01:48:01,357 "You asked her and me to disconnect from her parents 2197 01:48:01,397 --> 01:48:03,827 "because of something trivial they did years ago." 2198 01:48:03,857 --> 01:48:05,827 My wife disconnected from me, 2199 01:48:05,867 --> 01:48:08,917 my daughter, my son, my brother, 2200 01:48:08,947 --> 01:48:10,917 my sister, my mother, 2201 01:48:10,947 --> 01:48:12,747 all of my nieces and nephews. 2202 01:48:12,787 --> 01:48:15,257 And that is the only family that I have. 2203 01:48:15,287 --> 01:48:17,427 You know, you label these people suppressive 2204 01:48:17,457 --> 01:48:19,536 so that, you know, everybody automatically... 2205 01:48:19,576 --> 01:48:21,876 They're discredited, and they must disconnect from them. 2206 01:48:21,916 --> 01:48:24,346 And that's how you keep people in a bubble. 2207 01:48:24,386 --> 01:48:26,846 And that's what they do. I mean, my son was declared 2208 01:48:26,886 --> 01:48:28,297 because he wouldn't disconnect from his friend. 2209 01:48:28,357 --> 01:48:30,356 I was declared, and my husband was declared 2210 01:48:30,386 --> 01:48:32,306 because we wouldn't disconnect from my son. 2211 01:48:32,356 --> 01:48:34,056 And now guess what happened? 2212 01:48:34,086 --> 01:48:37,896 Everyone connected to us just scatters to the wind. 2213 01:48:37,926 --> 01:48:40,066 Through all of this time, 2214 01:48:40,096 --> 01:48:43,365 I have a daughter who's very much into the church. 2215 01:48:43,395 --> 01:48:46,435 I have a granddaughter 2216 01:48:46,465 --> 01:48:49,906 who's the love of my life, and who loves her Nana. 2217 01:48:49,936 --> 01:48:52,776 I was planning on talking to my daughter, 2218 01:48:52,806 --> 01:48:55,875 and trying to tell her what was really happening. 2219 01:48:55,915 --> 01:48:59,425 She hugged me, she told me she loved me. 2220 01:48:59,465 --> 01:49:02,515 She said, "i have to disconnect from you." 2221 01:49:07,894 --> 01:49:11,025 So, um... 2222 01:49:16,865 --> 01:49:20,564 I just was concentrating on smelling her hair 2223 01:49:20,604 --> 01:49:23,374 and seeing the way she felt, 2224 01:49:23,404 --> 01:49:26,034 touching her skin on my face. 2225 01:49:28,824 --> 01:49:31,714 That's the last time I saw them. 2226 01:49:36,384 --> 01:49:38,384 It really is the crux 2227 01:49:38,424 --> 01:49:42,503 of how controlling is any religion 2228 01:49:42,553 --> 01:49:44,843 over its adherents, 2229 01:49:44,893 --> 01:49:47,763 and scientology has perfected 2230 01:49:47,793 --> 01:49:51,143 a lot of techniques of control. 2231 01:49:51,183 --> 01:49:54,803 There is no logical explanation 2232 01:49:54,823 --> 01:49:58,433 as to why, other than faith. 2233 01:49:58,493 --> 01:50:00,803 Your future, your eternity, 2234 01:50:00,823 --> 01:50:03,993 all depends on you going up the bridge. 2235 01:50:04,023 --> 01:50:08,032 It's scary. It's kinda like christianity with hell. 2236 01:50:08,082 --> 01:50:10,042 If they don't have the bridge, they can't go free. 2237 01:50:10,082 --> 01:50:13,983 They don't believe they can get it anywhere else. 2238 01:50:14,003 --> 01:50:16,033 It's like brainwashing. Really simple. 2239 01:50:16,093 --> 01:50:18,342 I mean, that's a scary word, 2240 01:50:18,372 --> 01:50:21,262 and it took me a long time 2241 01:50:21,292 --> 01:50:24,342 to come to that conclusion, that that's what's occurred. 2242 01:50:24,382 --> 01:50:26,852 You take on 2243 01:50:26,882 --> 01:50:30,331 a kind of a... A matrix of thought 2244 01:50:30,351 --> 01:50:34,851 that is not your own. 2245 01:50:34,892 --> 01:50:37,842 I think that's how i and other people got involved 2246 01:50:37,862 --> 01:50:39,891 and stuck through it for so long. 2247 01:50:39,941 --> 01:50:41,981 Because when you're out, you look at it, 2248 01:50:42,011 --> 01:50:45,561 and you go, "what the crap was I thinking," you know? 2249 01:50:45,621 --> 01:50:47,371 It's such a hard thing when you do wake up. 2250 01:50:47,401 --> 01:50:49,281 You go, "oh my God." 2251 01:50:49,321 --> 01:50:51,790 Because you have this wave of regrets. 2252 01:50:51,820 --> 01:50:55,910 I just started to think that maybe my entire life 2253 01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:57,831 has been a lie. 2254 01:50:57,861 --> 01:51:00,331 You just don't see it happening to you. 2255 01:51:00,361 --> 01:51:03,331 You justify so much. 2256 01:51:03,371 --> 01:51:07,200 Cults, they prey on people, suggesting that, you know, 2257 01:51:07,220 --> 01:51:09,140 you should be able to think for yourself 2258 01:51:09,170 --> 01:51:12,920 and then tell you exactly how you have to think, or get out. 2259 01:51:12,980 --> 01:51:16,599 And if you get out, there will be consequences. 2260 01:51:16,649 --> 01:51:18,350 Come on, Marty. Got anything to say? 2261 01:51:18,380 --> 01:51:20,270 What's your name? Why don't you answer his question? 2262 01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:24,020 Beat it. I said get off my property, boy. 2263 01:51:24,050 --> 01:51:26,940 The real sustained campaign 2264 01:51:26,990 --> 01:51:29,219 began in early 2009 2265 01:51:29,239 --> 01:51:32,939 when I spoke to the "St. Petersburg times." 2266 01:51:32,999 --> 01:51:36,159 And I'd been hounded and hunted like wild prey. 2267 01:51:36,199 --> 01:51:39,999 It's a policy of the office of special affairs 2268 01:51:40,039 --> 01:51:41,919 authored by l. Ron Hubbard. 2269 01:51:41,959 --> 01:51:43,959 When somebody's speaking out against scientology, 2270 01:51:44,009 --> 01:51:46,569 investigate to find out who the instigator is. 2271 01:51:46,589 --> 01:51:48,289 I started getting calls from the church, 2272 01:51:48,349 --> 01:51:52,848 and they're... they're really, uh, comin' after me. 2273 01:51:52,878 --> 01:51:54,848 They showed up at my mother's house. 2274 01:51:54,888 --> 01:51:56,768 The feeling in the pit of your stomach 2275 01:51:56,798 --> 01:51:58,918 knowing that scientology's chief dirty-tricks pi 2276 01:51:58,938 --> 01:52:01,259 was just on my mother's front step. 2277 01:52:01,279 --> 01:52:04,028 They've tried to destroy me, there's no question. 2278 01:52:04,058 --> 01:52:06,308 They create anonymous websites about me, 2279 01:52:06,358 --> 01:52:08,858 and smear me with a lot of garbage. 2280 01:52:08,898 --> 01:52:11,278 www.Whoistomdevocht.Com. 2281 01:52:11,318 --> 01:52:13,098 WhoispaulHaggis.Com. 2282 01:52:13,118 --> 01:52:15,487 "Paul Haggis, the hypocrite of Hollywood." 2283 01:52:15,537 --> 01:52:19,207 "This guy is a sex pervert," or "this guy's a drug dealer." 2284 01:52:19,237 --> 01:52:20,958 In the meantime, 2285 01:52:20,988 --> 01:52:24,998 survey carefully to find out what he most values and protects. 2286 01:52:25,048 --> 01:52:27,217 Immediately draw up a three-prong program 2287 01:52:27,247 --> 01:52:29,947 to threaten it effectively. 2288 01:52:29,967 --> 01:52:34,307 I don't value anything more than Monique. 2289 01:52:34,337 --> 01:52:38,306 That's why this campaign ended up on our doorstep. 2290 01:52:38,346 --> 01:52:40,146 Was she there? 2291 01:52:40,176 --> 01:52:44,147 I knew they had their goons around. 2292 01:52:44,177 --> 01:52:49,237 And then the guy rolls down in window and I saw the truck. 2293 01:52:49,267 --> 01:52:51,606 And he starts filming, and I go, 2294 01:52:51,636 --> 01:52:53,806 "okay, this is not good." 2295 01:52:53,826 --> 01:52:55,306 What's goin' on? 2296 01:52:55,326 --> 01:52:57,196 Oh, we're just doing a documentary. 2297 01:52:57,246 --> 01:52:58,446 A documentary? 2298 01:52:58,476 --> 01:53:00,696 Oh, a former scientology deal. 2299 01:53:00,746 --> 01:53:02,865 But it would probably be a good idea if y'all went ahead... 2300 01:53:02,915 --> 01:53:04,416 Now that you've gotten what you need, 2301 01:53:04,446 --> 01:53:05,996 go ahead and leave the area. Sure. 2302 01:53:06,036 --> 01:53:07,756 Okay? 2303 01:53:07,786 --> 01:53:08,986 I don't know who these people are. 2304 01:53:09,006 --> 01:53:10,986 I don't know what they're capable of. 2305 01:53:11,006 --> 01:53:14,325 And now that I have my son... 2306 01:53:14,345 --> 01:53:18,545 I have a little louisville slugger i keep next to me. 2307 01:53:18,595 --> 01:53:22,965 It's been a nonstop onslaught, for five years. 2308 01:53:23,015 --> 01:53:24,466 I told you to leave. Get out of here. 2309 01:53:24,506 --> 01:53:26,015 Oh no, I'm leaving. 2310 01:53:26,055 --> 01:53:27,475 You can't even defend yourself on this can you? 2311 01:53:27,505 --> 01:53:29,005 What's your name? 2312 01:53:29,025 --> 01:53:30,475 I gave you my name, Marty. What's your name? 2313 01:53:30,525 --> 01:53:32,195 Marty, I gave you my name. 2314 01:53:32,225 --> 01:53:35,315 The people on Marty’s doorstep were sent by scientology 2315 01:53:35,345 --> 01:53:37,844 because the church had branded Marty a "squirrel," 2316 01:53:37,864 --> 01:53:40,364 a term invented by Hubbard for former members 2317 01:53:40,404 --> 01:53:42,184 who threatened church teachings. 2318 01:53:42,204 --> 01:53:43,854 David Miscavige had you come all the way from... 2319 01:53:43,874 --> 01:53:45,154 Marty. San Jose. 2320 01:53:46,495 --> 01:53:47,995 Marty! Man ♪2: You can't do that. 2321 01:53:48,025 --> 01:53:49,404 You can't do that, Marty! I just did it. 2322 01:53:49,464 --> 01:53:50,524 No, that's my personal property, Marty. 2323 01:53:50,544 --> 01:53:52,374 Yeah, that's right. 2324 01:53:52,414 --> 01:53:54,214 I got arrested, man. 2325 01:53:54,244 --> 01:53:57,054 I got arrested for grabbing this guy's glasses. 2326 01:53:57,084 --> 01:53:58,864 I said, "don't look at her." You understand that? 2327 01:53:58,884 --> 01:54:00,923 Yeah. I heard her. 2328 01:54:00,973 --> 01:54:03,423 Of course, the guy had been stalking Monique for two years. 2329 01:54:03,473 --> 01:54:05,673 He looks like a leering pervert, 2330 01:54:05,713 --> 01:54:08,344 like Norman bates from "psycho." 2331 01:54:08,384 --> 01:54:11,144 I didn't break his glasses. 2332 01:54:11,184 --> 01:54:14,983 I just removed them from his... from his face. 2333 01:54:19,073 --> 01:54:22,823 They got it all on videotape from their surveillance house 2334 01:54:22,863 --> 01:54:25,742 that was filming 24/7, 365, 2335 01:54:25,782 --> 01:54:28,533 for five years, across the street from us. 2336 01:54:33,933 --> 01:54:36,133 This lawsuit with Monique rathbun... 2337 01:54:36,173 --> 01:54:38,502 It's a brilliant legal strategy. 2338 01:54:38,542 --> 01:54:40,572 If Marty sues, the church just says, 2339 01:54:40,592 --> 01:54:41,962 "this is a first amendment fight. 2340 01:54:42,012 --> 01:54:43,432 "This should not be in a court of law." 2341 01:54:43,462 --> 01:54:45,012 But Monique was never in scientology. 2342 01:54:45,052 --> 01:54:49,802 She's suing David Miscavige and asking to depose him. 2343 01:54:49,852 --> 01:54:53,022 And scientology will do anything to keep him out of that situation. 2344 01:54:53,052 --> 01:54:54,772 And the point is, judge, 2345 01:54:54,812 --> 01:54:56,972 if you let me make my presentation, 2346 01:54:57,022 --> 01:54:58,862 on first amendment law 2347 01:54:58,892 --> 01:55:01,431 that comes from the United States supreme court... 2348 01:55:01,451 --> 01:55:03,231 For every court date, 2349 01:55:03,261 --> 01:55:06,061 the church hires a bevy of high-priced lawyers. 2350 01:55:06,101 --> 01:55:09,071 They are determined to use every legal trick in the book 2351 01:55:09,101 --> 01:55:11,322 to keep Miscavige from having to testify 2352 01:55:11,372 --> 01:55:14,991 about church abuses or whether the religion of scientology 2353 01:55:15,041 --> 01:55:17,241 is actually operated like a business, 2354 01:55:17,281 --> 01:55:21,161 controlled by the whims of a single individual. 2355 01:55:23,081 --> 01:55:25,970 In 2014, Miscavige celebrated 2356 01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,140 the ongoing expansion of the church, 2357 01:55:28,170 --> 01:55:30,390 but he was hiding a terrible secret. 2358 01:55:30,420 --> 01:55:31,961 Good evening! 2359 01:55:31,981 --> 01:55:34,011 The church's active membership has dropped 2360 01:55:34,061 --> 01:55:35,760 to fewer than 50,000 people, 2361 01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:39,960 yet the financial value of scientology is soaring. 2362 01:55:39,980 --> 01:55:41,820 How about we just say, 2363 01:55:41,850 --> 01:55:46,860 2013 is the year we went stratospheric? 2364 01:55:49,809 --> 01:55:51,859 The church is making investments 2365 01:55:51,909 --> 01:55:53,869 and buying valuable real estate all over the world. 2366 01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:57,830 That financial clout gives scientology enormous power. 2367 01:55:57,870 --> 01:56:00,149 It's a kind of tax-free shell company 2368 01:56:00,169 --> 01:56:05,039 growing past $3 billion in assets. 2369 01:56:12,168 --> 01:56:15,499 The church now no longer has a public face. 2370 01:56:15,519 --> 01:56:17,799 There's no spokespeople, 2371 01:56:17,839 --> 01:56:19,969 they don't do media interviews, 2372 01:56:20,009 --> 01:56:22,719 and that suits Miscavige. 2373 01:56:22,778 --> 01:56:24,978 There is nobody that he is willing 2374 01:56:25,008 --> 01:56:27,848 to have be the face of scientology other than himself, 2375 01:56:27,858 --> 01:56:31,368 but he's afraid to be interviewed by anybody 2376 01:56:31,398 --> 01:56:34,068 for fear that they're gonna ask him questions 2377 01:56:34,118 --> 01:56:36,488 that he can't answer, or doesn't want to answer. 2378 01:56:38,358 --> 01:56:40,908 Where are the checks and balances on his power? 2379 01:56:40,958 --> 01:56:42,238 There is none. 2380 01:56:42,298 --> 01:56:44,028 So there are two things that could happen. 2381 01:56:44,048 --> 01:56:48,077 One is, the IRS would reconsider its tax exemption. 2382 01:56:48,137 --> 01:56:52,417 The only other thing is that some of these celebrity megaphones 2383 01:56:52,467 --> 01:56:54,667 could turn against the church. 2384 01:56:54,707 --> 01:56:58,008 And tom cruise should be leading that chorus. 2385 01:57:01,977 --> 01:57:04,977 Is there anything that you look back on, 2386 01:57:05,017 --> 01:57:07,387 in terms of your own career in the church, 2387 01:57:07,397 --> 01:57:10,216 and think, "wow, i wish I hadn't done that?" 2388 01:57:10,236 --> 01:57:13,406 You know, we talked about karma earlier. 2389 01:57:13,436 --> 01:57:18,027 And, you know, it still happens that it's like it's just this... 2390 01:57:18,057 --> 01:57:22,066 I constantly get presented with who I was, 2391 01:57:22,086 --> 01:57:24,786 and, you know, and I constantly don't like what I see, 2392 01:57:24,836 --> 01:57:27,366 and I sort of constantly keep dying deaths. 2393 01:57:27,406 --> 01:57:29,286 Um, and... 2394 01:57:31,236 --> 01:57:33,406 I don't know how many more deaths I have left, 2395 01:57:33,426 --> 01:57:36,245 but I... but I... 2396 01:57:36,265 --> 01:57:39,176 But I regret 2397 01:57:39,216 --> 01:57:42,596 and I'm ashamed of, uh... 2398 01:57:44,016 --> 01:57:46,885 The entire experience, you know? 2399 01:57:46,925 --> 01:57:49,105 What I take away from it is that we... 2400 01:57:49,145 --> 01:57:52,055 We lock up a portion of our own mind. 2401 01:57:52,095 --> 01:57:56,365 We... we willingly put cuffs on. 2402 01:57:56,395 --> 01:57:59,945 We willingly avoid things 2403 01:57:59,985 --> 01:58:02,955 that will... Could cause us pain, 2404 01:58:02,985 --> 01:58:05,735 if we just... If we looked. 2405 01:58:05,795 --> 01:58:08,155 If we can just believe something, 2406 01:58:08,215 --> 01:58:10,794 then we don't have to really think for ourselves, do we? 2407 01:58:10,824 --> 01:58:14,284 And so I can't damn these people who aren't coming out, 2408 01:58:14,294 --> 01:58:18,464 or who are hiding once they come out because they're ashamed. 2409 01:58:18,504 --> 01:58:20,474 You know, I... 2410 01:58:20,504 --> 01:58:23,424 I... I feel the same shame. 2411 01:58:23,454 --> 01:58:26,844 And I just... I'm fighting back 2412 01:58:26,894 --> 01:58:31,264 by communicating, you know? It's a peaceful protest. 2413 01:58:31,294 --> 01:58:35,183 I want the truth to be known, 2414 01:58:35,233 --> 01:58:37,183 and... 2415 01:58:39,023 --> 01:58:40,443 Thank you. 2416 01:58:40,473 --> 01:58:42,174 You're welcome. 2417 01:58:43,305 --> 01:58:49,860 OpenSubtitles.org require your login in BSPlayer CTRL+P > Subtitles > Online Subtitles 200792

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