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This programme contains
some strong language.
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SYNTHESISER PLAYS VARYING NOTES
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Welcome to a time when there
were no guitars and no drums,
just synthesisers.
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It was the 1970s.
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The place was Britain, and
our heroes were a maverick bunch
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of young pioneers, obsessed
by Kraftwerk and science fiction.
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All across the country, these
synthetic dreamers would imagine
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the very sound of the future -
yesterday.
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And by the '80s, their dreams
would become a reality,
as Britain went synth-pop.
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Welcome to a time
when machines ruled the world.
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# I stand still stepping
on the shady streets
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# And I watch that man to a stranger
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# You think you only know me
when you turn on the light
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# Now the room is lit with danger
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# Complicating, circulating
new life
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# New life
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# Operating, generating
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# New life, new life. #
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FANFARE
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By the 1970s,
we were living in the future.
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Our cities were going space age.
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MUSIC: "William Tell Overture"
by G Rossini
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Victorian slums had been
torn down and replaced by
ultra-modern concrete high-rises.
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Entertainment
also looked to the future.
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Our cinema and television screens
were full of tantalising glimpses
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of a future
that seemed just around the corner.
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Released in 1971, Stanley Kubrick's
Clockwork Orange was a futuristic
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and violent vision of concrete
Britain that captured the zeitgeist.
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The film's soundtrack was composed
by American synth pioneer Walter,
now Wendy, Carlos.
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It would have a profound effect on
a generation of would-be musicians.
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That was probably a lot of people's
maybe first time they'd
heard electronic music,
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on the score to that film.
It made me forever associate
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classical music with people
getting their heads kicked in,
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which is kind of a bit strange.
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The soundtrack to Clockwork Orange -
fantastic synth sounds in that.
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Big Moog synthesiser
that Wendy Carlos used.
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And there were all orchestrated.
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Well, Wendy, who then said she was
Walter, I never quite worked out
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what was going on there, was an
absolute inspiration, you know.
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The first time we had ever heard
that sort of absorbent synth
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bass sound...just raved about it.
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Some of the people who would
be future post-punk people,
would listen to the three or four
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original compositions that Carlos did
on that soundtrack that were much
more sinister and foreboding.
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There was a kind of linkage made
there between those sounds and
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the idea of a cold future, a bleak
future, and that probably sunk quite
deeply into the psyche of a lot
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of young musicians at that time.
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For a generation of
electronic dreamers,
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Carlos's sound track would offer
a glimpse of an
alienated synthetic future.
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But the true divine spark
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would arrive on our
television screens in 1975.
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Tomorrow's World gave Britain
its first glimpse of Kraftwerk,
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a German band who played
only electronic instruments.
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ELECTRONIC DRUM BEAT
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They would invade our shores
later the same year.
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We played
one of our first gigs in 1975
of our English tour in Liverpool.
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The Wings Over Britain tour was
playing the same night in the town.
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That was also the reason why
our hall was only half crowded.
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# Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n
auf der Autobahn
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# Fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n
auf der Autobahn. #
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All of our posters were stuck right
next to the posters of the Wings,
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so it made us proud
of course, you know.
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# Die Fahrbahn ist ein graues Band
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# Weisse Streifen, gruener Rand. #
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Amazingly they came to Liverpool
in October of '75,
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and I sat in seat Q36
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and witnessed the
first day of rest of my life.
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'75 was all the era of long hair and
flared trousers and guitar solos.
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And these guys all came
out in suits and ties.
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Two of them looked like they were
playing electronic tea trays
with wired-up knitting needles.
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And I was just...blown away.
It really, it was incredible.
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We had no long hair,
we didn't wear blue jeans.
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We had suits on, grey suits.
Short hair, you know.
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And we looked like the...
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children of Wernher von Braun
or Werner von Siemens.
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We saw ourselves
as engineer musicians, like that,
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instead of dancing, a voice on stage
to arouse the girls, you know.
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The interesting thing afterwards,
there was a knock at our
backstage door.
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It was a band. They were called
Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark.
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And the leader, Andy McCluskey,
was really astonished and happy
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that he was meeting us in person.
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And he said, "You know, guys,
you have shown us the future!
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"This is it! We throw away
our guitars tomorrow
and buy all synthesisers."
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In terms of inspiring people to
not just have a synthesiser
in their rock band,
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but to be completely electronic,
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I think you can never underestimate
the impact of Kraftwerk.
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Trans-Europe Express had the
same impact on the synth-pop
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as anarchy in the UK had on people
who wanted to be punk rockers.
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'Next year, Kraftwerk hope to
eliminate the keyboards altogether
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'and build jackets with electronic
lapels which can be played
by touch.'
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In British music
in the mid '70s,
the synth was a remote beast.
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Although they would
become much cheaper later
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in the decade, a synthesiser then
could cost as much as a small house.
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They were associated
with rich and technically gifted
progressive musicians.
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Until punk came along,
you had to be Keith Emerson.
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If you wanted to be in a band, you
had to have learned your instrument
for at least eight or nine years
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before you would dare
come out and play it.
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And it was simply the inspiration
of The Damned and The Clash...
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..that said, get up and do it,
you know.
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Do your best. If it's crap, maybe
the simplicity will get you through.
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Whilst the music didn't concern
itself with synthesisers,
the attitude of the punk movement
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would inspire those with
an interest in electronic music
to do it themselves.
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# Oh
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# White riot - I wanna riot
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# White riot - a riot of my own
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# White riot - I wanna riot
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# White riot - a riot... #
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All the infrastructure around
punk we absolutely loved.
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It's just that the actual music we
saw as being quite old-fashioned.
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And I think they had been
a bit of a one-trick pony.
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So what we did was, we took the
attitudes of punk and give it
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a different context, ie, let's make
music that nobody's heard before.
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Across the country, small pockets of
experimentation surfaced, inspired
primarily by punk and Kraftwerk.
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We were in my studio at home
in south-east London.
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One day I opened my e-mail inbox,
there were 10 e-mails from a very
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disparate bunch of people saying,
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you've got to go to eBay now
and buy this.
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What was Kraftwerk's
original vocoder,
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which was being sold on eBay.
And it was the one
that was used on Autobahn.
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I thought, well, this is the
equivalent for a guitarist of getting
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Jimi Hendrix's guitar that was
used on Purple Haze or something.
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MUSIC STARTS
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# TVOD... #
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I first got a synthesiser in...1977.
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And I bought a second-hand Korg 700S
from Macari's Music Shop
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in Charing Cross Road.
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The thing that pissed me off about
punk was you had to learn three
chords to be in a punk band.
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If you had a synthesiser,
all you had to do was
press one key with a finger.
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# I don't need a TV screen
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# I just stick the aerial
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# Into my skin. #
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Advances in technology in the late
'70s heralded the invention
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of the affordable synth, costing
no more than an electric guitar.
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Daniel Miller used his to form
The Normal, an experimental act
that supported punk groups.
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Miller drew on the work
of English author JG Ballard
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whose Crash was another
futuristic vision of Britain.
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# Warm
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# Leatherette
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# Warm
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# Leatherette... #
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I'd just broken up with a girlfriend
who I was very much in love with.
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And a friend of mine said,
read this book. And I read it,
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and it really had a huge...
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I'm using all these puns,
like impact.
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But it did have a huge impact.
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# See the breaking glass
in the underpass... #
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It wasn't like science fiction
in the sense it was outer space
and stuff like that.
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It felt like it was five minutes
into the future, and I loved
that aspect of it,
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the fact it was so outrageous,
but so possible at the same time.
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# Leatherette... #
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Warm Leatherette by The Normal.
The Normal was the alias of
Daniel Miller.
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# Hear the crashing steel... #
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The lyrics are just a precis
of some of the concepts in Crash,
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Ballard's novel, which was
about people who have
car accidents and find that
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thereafter their sexuality has been
diverted and they are obsessed with
being turned on by car crashes.
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So you had the lyric like, "The hand
brake penetrates your thigh - quick,
let's make love before you die."
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# Warm
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# Leatherette... #
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The music was supposed to be visual.
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You know, like driving along
a highway with big buildings either
side and going into a tunnel.
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There's quite a lot
of humour in it really.
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It wasn't meant be apocalyptic
or dystopian.
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Miller was one of Britain's first
synth poets. And he wasn't alone.
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In the north of England,
a bunch of computer programmers
dreamt of a similar feature.
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We loved JG Ballard.
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In fact, Roxy had a song, To HB,
about Humphrey Bogart.
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And we had a song, 4JG,
which was about JG Ballard.
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The Future were a bunch
of sci-fi nerds from Sheffield.
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They formed in '77
and played only synthesisers.
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When I bought my Korg 700S
in...1976,
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it was the first time there
was a monophonic synthesiser
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which you could do stuff with,
which was kind of domestic level,
entry level, in terms of price.
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It was £350, I think.
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And I remember distinctly
thinking at the time -
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I with a computer operator -
there was a decision day
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where it was either buy a
second-hand car and learn to drive,
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or go and buy
this monophonic synthesiser.
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And that proved to be quite
a fateful day, because
I still can't drive.
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But I've still got that synthesiser.
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This is a Mini-Korg 700S, and was
the first affordable synth.
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Fantastic machine.
Completely eccentric.
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# Listen to voice of Buddha... #
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They give you a book
of patches with it.
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Because it was Japanese,
there would be things like
Synthy Cat or Funny Frog.
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And you can't follow why it's doing
what it does, but it sounds great.
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Usually with a synthesiser, you
can get it to do something for you.
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You don't have to be manually
good at all.
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That was why we turned to them
in the first place,
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cos no-one could learn
how do the guitars either.
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We'd all tried. My brother's a great
guitarist and he tried to teach me.
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It just hurts your hand.
So we use these things.
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You can press a switch on, and
they'll do things for about ten
minutes. It's quite interesting.
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If you've got a tape recorder, you
can put it down, put something next
to it and it will sound all right.
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# ..Doesn't mean
that she's your better... #
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The day that I joined the band,
Martyn came round my house and he
had two records under his arm.
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One was Trans-Europe Express,
and one was I Feel Love.
And he said, "Look, WE can do this."
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I think that was his actual phrase.
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MUSIC: "I Feel Love"
by Donna Summer
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We loved all that stuff. The concept
albums that Giorgio Moroder did
with Donna Summer.
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(MACHINE-DISTORTED VOICE)
# One, two, three, four, five. #
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We used to play those continuously.
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This wasn't some kind
of post-gay ironic thing.
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It's because they sounded
great and interesting.
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You were never really sure
what the next set of sounds
coming up was going to be.
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I Feel Love just didn't sound like
any record that had been before.
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It came on the radio,
and you couldn't quite believe
what you were hearing.
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It was hypnotic, but it was driving.
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# It's so good... #
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Moroder's mood music
was the disco single of '77.
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Its success would set the template
for the future of the future.
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# I'm in love
I'm in love, I'm in love... #
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We were in fact much more influenced
by Moroder than we were by Kraftwerk.
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Everyone...ever since anyone that
knows we used synths, "Oh,
you sound like Kraftwerk, don't you?"
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We use the same instruments, so some
of the sounds are a bit the same.
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But we never really wanted to be
Kraftwerk, we wanted to be
a pop band.
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We wanted to...
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embody a sense of futurism
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without being so literal.
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It just so happened a friend of
ours, he had bought for him this
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science-fiction board game
called Star Force.
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And it was prodigiously tedious.
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It was real geek stuff.
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It was impenetrable.
You couldn't play it.
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There was The Rise Of The
Human League, or something.
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And I thought, The Human League,
that is such a cool name.
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# No future, they say... #
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The Human League set out to make
electronic pop for the modern city.
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# The city is human
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# Blind youth take hope
You're no Joe Soap
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# Your time is due
Big fun come soon
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# We've had it easy
We should be glad
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# High-rise living's not so bad... #
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The Human League have a totally
different spin on synthesisers
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where it was much more like this
bright technocratic
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optimism thing.
In fact, in one of their early songs,
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Blind Youth, they make fun of people
who go on about dehumanisation.
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# Dehumanisation
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# Is such a big word
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# It's been around
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# Since
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# Richard the Third
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# Dehumanisation
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# Is easy to say
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# But if you're not a hermit
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# You know the city's OK. #
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I'd say most of the brightness
came from Martyn.
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Martyn's very optimistic,
and if anyone's moaning about
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anything, Martyn will go and write
a song in the opposite direction.
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I think I felt a bit gloomy about
the concrete jungle and everything,
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which is ridiculous,
cos I'm a townie.
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I gravitate towards concrete...
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If you put me in the country, I
would find the nearest town and I'll
be sitting in a bar quite quickly.
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# Blind youth take hope
You're no Joe Soap
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# Your time is due
Big fun come soon... #
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Unfortunately, British pop music
wasn't quite ready
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for a synth-led group
of futurists...just yet.
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But in 1978, The Human League
weren't the only group experimenting
with electronics in Sheffield.
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This is the old
Psalter Lane art college,
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which used to be part of
Sheffield Polytechnic in the 1970s.
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I believe The Human League also
played this very place
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for their first-ever
live show in Sheffield.
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Cabaret Voltaire
did perform in this very room.
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Yeah, we just thought
there was nothing for us.
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It was all kind of bloated
super groups
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and progressive bands
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who weren't even from the
same kind of social backgrounds.
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They were probably
public school educated,
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whereas most of the scene
in Sheffield was pretty solid
working class.
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You'd find little bits of interest
interesting music within perhaps
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some of the prog rock stuff
where there'd be a weird little
synth break.
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But then once you kind of started
to discover all the German bands,
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you realised that there were entire
albums that were made of electronics.
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Whilst The Human League
dreamt of pop, Cabaret Voltaire
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were anything but, using electronics
to explore Sheffield, a city torn
between the past and the future.
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I remember watching loads
of science fiction things
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in the '60s, like Doctor Who
and things like Quatermass.
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And all these kinds of strange
things seemed to happen
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in old gasworks
or industrial environments.
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There was an
other-worldliness about it.
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You might see an alien
or a giant blob creeping
across the floor,
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glowing bright green
from radioactivity.
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# Nag nag nag
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# Nag nag nag. #
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A very arty group.
Obviously their name echoes Dada.
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They were really into
William Burroughs and ideas
like control and surveillance.
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They actually used quite a lot
of guitar,
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but it was so heavily processed,
it didn't sound like
rock 'n' roll guitar.
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It sounded more like a synthesiser.
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They also put
synthesising-type effects
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on the voice, which is probably one
of the most disturbing things
they did.
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You have a guy singing, but it sounds
more like a dalek than a human being.
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At night-time, you'd hear distant
booming noises with which would
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probably be something like
a drop forge or steam hammer
or something.
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You certainly knew that you were
on the edge of heavy industry.
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Everything in their music
is alienated.
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The music that comes from people
who are divorced from natural life,
any natural rhythms.
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The music for a hostile environment.
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If I've ever been asked to explain
that movement, I always call it
the "alienated synthesists".
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Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire,
Joy Division who were up a little
bit less obviously synthy...
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Everyone...everyone
was sort of like that.
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We were all going around in
long coats from second-hand shops
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and saying how terrible things
were, with a synth.
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Across the Pennines, another pocket
of alienated synthesists dreamt
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of an electronic future in the
spiritual home of British pop music.
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MUSIC DROWNS SPEECH
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We are in Mathew Street in
Liverpool, and I am actually standing
outside of the door to what used
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to be Eric's Club, which is where
we played our first gig, where we
invented OMD to play at this place.
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And it was the club
where we all used to come.
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The Bunnymen and the Teardrops played
within a month of us
playing here as well.
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This was the place I saw Devo
play their first English concert.
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And all of the influential bands
that we could get to come to town
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played here, apart from Kraftwerk who
played the big theatre down the road.
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And then literally
ten yards away is the Cavern Club.
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We've got Eric's and the Cavern right
across the road from each other.
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When Paul and I started
being interested in electronic music,
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we were very young.
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We had no money.
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And it was totally unrealistic
to think about getting the
big kind of keyboards you saw
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on TV or on stage with some of
the keyboard players in the '70s.
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My mother had
a Kays mail order catalogue,
and they had some synthesisers.
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Our first Korg Micro-Preset
was bought from my mother's catalogue
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for 36 weeks at £7.76 a week,
I seem to recall.
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This was the first synth, and we'd
made the first two albums with this.
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It's like, it's quite a basic synth.
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INTRO TO "ENOLA GAY"
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HE LAUGHS
Can you believe that's the record?!
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# Enola Gay
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# You should have stayed
at home yesterday
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# Oh-oh, words can't describe
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# The feeling and the way... #
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The major record labels
largely ignored synth music,
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forcing bands like OMD to look
to newly reformed indies instead.
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In 1978, OMD would sign to Factory.
A movement of sorts
was beginning to coalesce.
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I think the first wave of bands
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that sort of came out of the closet
in a late '70s...
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..we were all working
independently of each other.
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There was no unified movement.
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It didn't all start
in one club or one town.
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There was no gang of people
who all had a manifesto
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that we were going to do
the new British electronic music.
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It was small pockets of people
in different parts of the country
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who were independently obviously
listening to the same things.
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I did make an electronic
drum machine, because I'd seen
Kraftwerk with their sticks.
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So I thought, I can make one
of those. And so I did.
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Some of the early synth drums was
this very Heath Robinson-looking box
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with all these plates on there
with these sticks with wires
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that we did the drums to
Electricity.
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# Our one source of energy
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# The ultimate discovery
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# Electric blue for me
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# Never more to be free... #
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We were horrified
when Tony Wilson said, "What you do
is the future of pop."
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Pop? We were experimental German
influenced. We are not pop at all!
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How do you call us pop?
We were absolutely mortified.
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We couldn't see it at all.
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Totally by accident, Paul and I
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and I guess others at the
time had distilled the electronic
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experimentation and the glam pop of
Britain from just a few years and
earlier, into what was going to
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become, which didn't seem at the
time, but what was going to become
the future of pop music.
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By the start of 1979, the future of
pop music seemed a long way off,
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as the combined efforts of The
Normal, OMD and The Human League
had failed to trouble the charts.
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But dabbling in synthesisers was
becoming increasingly de rigueur.
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Even for dyed in the wool punks.
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At the other end of the East
Lancs Road, another Factory band,
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who would become one of the greatest
electronic acts, were taking their
first synthetic steps.
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The first synthesiser we had in
Joy Division was a little thing
called a Transcendent 2000.
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I actually
built it from a load of components.
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At the time I had insomnia,
I couldn't sleep very well.
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So I used to get this magazine called
Electronics Today,
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something like that,
and in it was this synthesiser.
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And if you were to buy one in those
days it was incredibly expensive.
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And we didn't have any money.
So I thought, this is really
cheap, it's only 200 quid,
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how difficult can it be to build it?
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And it was like...
Soldering components by hand.
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It took
about two months of doing that.
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And then it didn't
work incredibly well.
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RUDIMENTARY SYNTHESISER NOTES PLAY
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I remember we went to write a track
in the studio called Cargo,
in Rochdale.
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And when we went it,
we found a little Woolworths organ
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that you switched the battery power,
switched it on and it blew a fan.
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You could play chord buttons on it.
So I was messing about with
these chord buttons.
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And then Martin Hannah I think had
brought in a Solina string synth.
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What? You can play more than
one note at a time on it!
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So I got the organ and the
synthesiser
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and hit these chord buttons,
and wrote Atmosphere,
a Joy Division track.
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I seemed to write
it there in the studio.
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# Walk in silence... #
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I think we wrote the music
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and then
Ian wrote the words that night.
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Then we recorded the vocals the
next day. Which is amazing
when I think about it.
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# See the danger
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# Always danger
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# Endless talking
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# Life rebuilding
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# Don't walk away... #
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Whilst it
seemed the north had the lead in
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post-punk synth pioneers, things
were also stirring down south.
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John Foxx was the former
lead singer of Ultravox.
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He worked in Shoreditch in London's
then unfashionable East End.
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SYNTHESISER CHORDS PLAY
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SYNTHESISER MELODY PLAYS
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These modular synths were the
first generation really
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of working synthesisers.
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And then the companies decided
to make a cheap version of it
because no-one could afford these,
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or very few people could afford them.
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And they condensed all
that down into this.
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London seemed
almost empty in the '70s.
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I used to walk around the streets,
newspapers blowing around
and great concrete walls.
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And everything seemed grittier
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and lost somehow,
like we'd lost direction.
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I'd wonder what that was about.
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I wasn't angry about it any more,
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as we were supposed to be as punks.
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I just wanted to make music for it,
the kind of music that I could hear.
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# Standing in the dark
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# Watching you glow
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# Lifting a receiver
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# Nobody I know
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# Underpass... #
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Underpass, with the sodium lights and
you might be mugged.
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Very '70s dystopian.
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The spectral city.
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# Now it's all gone
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# World War something... #
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This was the industrial bit of
London that had served the docks
and done some manufacturing
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and both of which have gone.
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It was like living in a Quatermass
movie because I realised and
discovered that underneath all of
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this area are the plague pits where
the bodies
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were thrown.
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That inevitably leaks into your
music. That is why a lot of my music
is so dark, I think.
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00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,440
I come from Lancashire and
where did I end up? In a place even
more sinister.
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# Underpass... #
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Fox's music wasn't the only
synthetic portrait of
the '70s metropolis.
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An experimental group of
artists, known as Throbbing Gristle,
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had been forging their own
electronic industrial sounds
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in their Death
Factory down the road in Hackney.
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Grim. It was grim.
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It was very run-down. The factory
was an old trouser factory and it
was near London Fields.
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In the basement we
were level with the plague pits.
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That is why it could
called the Death Factory.
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There was still a lot of
antagonism leftover from,
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I know it
sounds unbelievable, but post war.
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There were still people there like
the park keeper who used to be
one of Moseley's brown shirts.
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It sounds a cliche now
but at the time
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we were trying to reflect the
sounds around us in some weird way.
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Our studio was in like
an industrial area.
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There were different
noises going on all the time.
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We were trying to
reflect all these sounds
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00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:41,360
and the way they all come
together in this weird mishmash
of electronic experimental textures.
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# Hot... #
450
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,400
We felt a kinship with a lot of
bands, especially Sheffield bands.
451
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:10,360
Yes, Cabaret Voltaire, those
people. But the kinship was the
fact that we were all independent.
452
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,200
Chris Carter in Throbbing
Gristle was a nut for
453
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,640
Tangerine Dream and
that kind of music
454
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,960
so there were hypnotic dreaming
electronic Throbbing Gristle tracks
455
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,760
that were pretty in a
funny sort of misshapen way.
456
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:33,680
I had the synths and because they
were homemade synths, they weren't
bought off the shelf,
457
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:39,000
they went Rolands and Korgs, they
sounded quite unique anyway. They
didn't sound like regular synths.
458
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,760
And then I built
this effects unit.
459
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,200
I saw this design in Practical
Electronics. You could combine
all the effects together
460
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,200
and put a guitar through
it or a voice or anything.
461
00:33:54,200 --> 00:34:02,040
I started building these units
for Throbbing Gristle and called them
Gristlisers.
462
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,040
We were never punk. We are not punk.
463
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,040
We were an industrial
experimental music band.
464
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:23,280
Come 1979,
British electronic music was still
being ignored by mainstream labels.
465
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:29,000
So, Dan Miller, founded Britain's
first electronic indie, Mute,
466
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:35,080
to release recordings by kindred
spirit, Fad Gadget as well as
his own work.
467
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:45,120
I wasn't interested in rock music.
I really was only
interested in electronic music.
468
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,480
I thought that was
the future of where exciting music
469
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,400
was going to come from and I
wanted to part of promoting that.
470
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,560
One of Mute's first releases
would be strangely prescient.
471
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,000
I came across an old Chuck Berry
songbook I had at home and I thought,
472
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,480
"I wonder what that sounds like
done on synthesisers?"
473
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,760
# Long-distance information
474
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,120
# Give me Memphis, Tennessee
475
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,920
# Help me find the party
476
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,320
# Tryin' to get in touch with me... #
477
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:23,880
Everybody said, "You've got
to release it, it's amazing."
I thought, "OK, what shall I do?"
478
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,640
It doesn't fit in under
the normal kind of name.
479
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:33,680
And then I thought,
what about if there was a group that
were all teenagers
480
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,880
and their first choice of
instrument was a synthesiser rather
than a guitar
481
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,840
because that hadn't happened yet.
482
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,640
John Peel... I had
given it to him. I was listening to
the radio with a couple of friends.
483
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,800
He said, "We've got three versions
of Memphis Tennessee. One is the
original, the other two covers."
484
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:57,960
"One is really terrible and the other
is really great. I thought, "Oh,
God." Fortunately, he liked mine.
485
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,240
Take it away.
486
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:04,960
That was one of the biggest moments
of my entire career in music.
487
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,760
That's the end of tonight's
programme in which you heard
488
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,320
the Desperate Bicycles, The Slits,
The Mekons, Alternative TV,
The UK Subs and Sham 69.
489
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,400
More of the same unpleasant racket
on tomorrow night's programme.
Until then,
490
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,000
from me, John Peel, good night and
good riddance.
491
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,120
Getting your record
on the Peel show was one thing.
492
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,320
But nobody
was ready for what happened next.
493
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,040
What sort of make-up do you put on?
You appear very white.
494
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:41,520
It's all natural. It's Max Factor
pan stick and it's 28 which is
natural, not white make-up.
495
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,080
And then I just powder that with skin
tone powder and then just eyeliner.
496
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,520
# It's cold outside
497
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,840
# And the paint's peeling off of
my walls
498
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,680
# There's a man outside... #
499
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,920
On 24th May 1979,
the future finally arrived.
500
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,640
# In a long coat, grey hat
smoking a cigarette... #
501
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,120
He was a punk. He loved sci-fi.
502
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,720
He even read JG Ballard
but most impressively,
503
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:15,200
Gary Numan was on Top Of The Pops.
504
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,520
I wish magic was real, you know.
505
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,520
I wish fairies were real and all
of that kind of stuff.
506
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,080
I love all that sort of thing.
507
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,600
Probably never grow up, I suppose,
from that point of view.
508
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,080
# Now the light fades out... #
509
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,520
The first time he was
on Top Of The Pops,
510
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,640
Either she phoned me, or I
phoned her, "Are you watching?
511
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,480
"Have you seen this man,
he's fantastic."
512
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,280
# There's a knock on the door... #
513
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,680
The look and the sound was so
different.
514
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,640
# And just for a second I thought
I remembered you... #
515
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,360
Just sort of alien, wasn't it?
516
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,840
I was in a lot of trouble at school.
I was sent to a child psychiatrist
and things like that
517
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,200
which turned out to be Asperger's.
518
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,280
I felt more comfortable on my own.
The classic loner, I suppose.
519
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,240
Didn't go out drinking,
didn't go out clubbing too much.
520
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:09,600
# So now I'm alone
521
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,560
# I can think for myself... #
522
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:17,560
I went to a studio to
make a punk album, which would
have been my first album
523
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,880
and when I got there,
524
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,960
in a corner of the studio,
there was a mini Moog.
525
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,520
Luckily, it had been left and the
sound, which was a huge big
bassy thing and the room shook.
526
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:34,000
I just realised you can press one key
and all of this other stuff happens.
527
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:39,800
There was a massive
amount of power in them
and depth that I had never heard.
528
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,720
I'd never heard of anything
like it before. One note.
529
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,880
People like ourselves and Cabaret
Voltaire and The Human League,
530
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,840
had all got used to the fact that we
existed and there was somebody else
sharing our space
531
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:58,040
and then along comes,
who, I guess at the time we
thought was Johnny come lately.
532
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,760
"Who the hell is
this guy from London
533
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:07,400
"who is on telly and having
a massive hit record?
Never heard of him."
534
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,200
Numan was
Britain's first synth pin-up.
535
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,200
Hello, Sarah.
Hello, Gary. Hello, Sarah.
536
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,360
My friend Cheryl read in a newspaper
537
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,880
that your mum
does your hair. Is this true?
538
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,720
Yes, that's right. She's been doing
it since I was about four.
539
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:27,840
All right, thank you. Bye-bye. Did
she put the streak in the side
as well? Yeah.
540
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,760
I really liked Gary's music.
541
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,320
I think he made the best
records at that time.
542
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:40,000
I think, he, if anyone,
he really condensed it into a form
that was perfect at that point.
543
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:48,520
Numan would immediately show that
his number-one success was no fluke.
544
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:54,720
Cars was part eulogy to JG Ballard
and part testimony to
living in '70s London.
545
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:05,960
I was in my car and a couple
of men in a van swerved round me,
pulled up in front,
546
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,480
got out and were clearly going to
give me a bit of a hammering.
547
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,000
Trying to get me out, kicking
the car, screaming and shouting.
548
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,800
# Here in my car
549
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,200
# I feel safest of all
550
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,640
# I can lock all my doors
551
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,480
# It's the only way to live
552
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,960
# In cars... #
553
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,200
I was pretty scared.
554
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:36,080
I locked all my doors and
ended up driving up onto the
pavement and shot along the pavement
555
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,800
because I couldn't go anywhere.
556
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,480
People obviously leaping out of
the way. I was in a bit of a panic.
557
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:55,000
Cars is just about feeling safe in
amongst people in a car because
no-one can get to you.
558
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,880
You're in your own little bubble.
559
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:57,920
# Here in my car
560
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,280
# Where the image breaks down
561
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,240
# Will you visit me, please?
562
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,360
# If I open my door, in cars... #
563
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,040
I was gutted when Cars came out.
I thought it was really good.
564
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,840
# ..I was starting to think about
leaving tonight... #
565
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:18,680
All this time we were convinced,
it was just a matter of time
before we had a number one record.
566
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:25,360
Part arrogance and part stupidity and
then somebody comes out of the blue
and does it.
567
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,800
With sales totalling in excess
of ten million, Gary Numan was
568
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,200
a new kind of pop star
but being at the front of the synth
way had inevitable drawbacks.
569
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,760
The Musicians Union tried to ban me
for, I think, the first year when I
was around
570
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,960
because they said I was
putting proper musicians out of work,
571
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,840
although I had to be a member
to get on Top Of The Pops.
Caused me loads of grief, actually.
572
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,640
The music press were pretty harsh.
573
00:41:53,640 --> 00:42:00,160
It wasn't rock 'n' roll. It wasn't
honest, it wasn't working class,
it wasn't worthy, it wasn't earthy,
574
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:07,480
it wasn't real, it wasn't sweaty,
it wasn't manly. It was pretentious,
pseudo intellectual.
575
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:13,360
I am absolutely convinced that
Numan's career was shortened by
576
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,800
a nasty, nasty, vitriolic
journalism.
577
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,000
But, again,
what had there been before me?
578
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,720
It had been punk.
579
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:29,400
The whole anti-hero thing. Not only
was I doing electronic music which
they wasn't pleased with anyway,
580
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,560
but I'm standing up saying,
I want to be a pop star, I love it.
581
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:38,720
All this anti-hero stuff before that,
I wasn't anything to do with that. I
want to be famous.
582
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,480
I want to be
583
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,800
standing on stages and I
don't speak for the people
because I don't even know them.
584
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,320
The decade would end with Numan
as the unlikely synth-pop hero
come good.
585
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,480
What lay around the corner would
see the synth transformed from
post-punk experimental tool
586
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,760
into THE pop instrument of choice.
587
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:27,920
As the '80s dawned, the
future finally arrived and it
wasn't going to be alienated.
588
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:35,760
A shift to the right heralded
a new era in Britain, an era in
which prosperity and material wealth
589
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,720
would be vaunted above all else.
590
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:42,440
There would
be no room for experimental
dreamers in the me decade.
591
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,920
You were a success or you didn't
exist.
592
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,760
# One man on a lonely platform
593
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,960
# One case sitting by his side... #
594
00:43:52,960 --> 00:44:00,960
The big hit of 1980 was Visage
whose Fade To Grey followed fast
on the heels of Numan's success.
595
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,240
It seemed the future had passed
The Human League by.
596
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:09,400
# Ah, ah-h-h-h
597
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,200
# We fade to grey.
598
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,600
# Fade to grey... #
599
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,120
I think there were three number-one
hits.
600
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,520
Certainly Dave Stewart
and Barbara Gaskin
601
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,920
Gary Numan and
the Flying Lizards
might have been number one
602
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:29,520
with Money and I stood there,
I think we'd done a couple of LPs
and I thought, "We've blown it."
603
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:35,520
We now look like the also-rans
and everyone has taken the idea
and done a lot better than us.
604
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,880
# The best things in life are free
605
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,360
# But you can give them
to the birds and bees
606
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,800
# I want money
607
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,320
# Ooh, ooh-ooh
608
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,720
# That's what I want
609
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,040
# Ooh, ooh-ooh
610
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,120
# That's what I want
611
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,680
# Ooh, ooh-ooh
612
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:54,800
# That's what I want... #
613
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,280
I turned up one day to be told I was
being thrown out of the group.
614
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,400
And it was a bit like School Of
Rock with Jack Black going,
615
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,520
"You can't throw me out
of my own group."
616
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,160
We'd released Reproduction and
Travelogue and done all this
touring.
617
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,520
There was a nagging undercurrent
of dissatisfaction from
the record company
618
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,800
that they weren't selling as
many records as they hoped.
619
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:27,760
I think I'd made a big effort
on a photo session and
Martin hadn't even turned up.
620
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,120
Suddenly, I was hearing these
stories that Martin was never ever
621
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:36,360
going to appear on a stage with me
again which I think he only said
because that was what Bryan Ferry
622
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:41,360
had said about Eno in legend.
623
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,120
Whilst The Human League
were crumbling, something was
624
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,800
brewing in the most
unlikely of places.
625
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,640
Basildon was a new town. Built
for the post-war East End overspill,
626
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,280
it wasn't one of pop
music's more romantic places.
627
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:04,640
But a bunch of kids were going to
ditch their guitars and reinvent
synth music as pop.
628
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,680
When we were growing up,
Basildon was a violent town.
629
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,600
We had the highest crime rate
for five years on the trot.
630
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,640
I can remember going back to Basildon
631
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:22,200
and going down to
the pub with some friends and I had,
you know, black nail varnish.
632
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,400
Going to the bar and ordering a
drink. I had forgotten about it
633
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:31,360
wasn't even thinking about it and
some guy said to me, "What the fuck
have you got on your fingernails?"
634
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,680
Depeche Mode formed in 1980.
635
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,240
They had a spot at their
local disco.
636
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,440
Croc's was a really ordinary disco.
There was a crocodile, yeah.
637
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,520
It was quite a sorry
looking animal but it was alive.
638
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:58,160
They had this night once a week
where they'd play things like
The Human League and Soft Cell
639
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,400
and also bands would appear there.
640
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,040
# I stand still stepping on
the shady streets
641
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,280
# And I watch that man to a stranger
642
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,840
# You think you only know me when you
turn on the light
643
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,560
# Now the room is lit with danger
644
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,800
# Complicating, circulating
645
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,800
# New life, new life
646
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,920
# Operating, generating
647
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,080
# New life, new life... #
648
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,040
When I first started playing
synthesisers,
649
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,440
it would have been The Human League,
650
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,600
Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark,
their very first album.
651
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,560
I was a big fan of Daniel Miller's
work as the Silicon Teens and
652
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:44,360
as The Normal and also Fad Gadget
who was on Mute records.
653
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:51,360
Vince was sort of the boss of the
band. He was unbelievably driven.
654
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,040
# Complicating, circulating
New life... #
655
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,400
He earned £30 a week in the yoghurt
factory and save £29.70, a week,
656
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,280
to save up to buy a synth.
657
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:12,000
He forced the pace. This actually
was the original Depeche Mode drum
machine that we used for Life.
658
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,840
Dave's job before his song
was to set the tempo.
659
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,320
Number seven would be fast,
number two would be slow etc etc.
660
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:29,280
I owned Autobahn, that was really
what got us to go out and buy our
first synthesisers,
661
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:34,000
the whole...things that were
happening around the time with
662
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,480
Kraftwerk and even early
Human League stuff.
663
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,720
# ..New life, new life... #
664
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:42,320
I was really happy that
the first time I heard them
665
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,720
was when they played live.
666
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:48,720
They started and I thought,
this sounds interesting.
667
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,560
There were four little mono
synths teetering on beer crates.
668
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,720
# I'm still stepping on shady streets
669
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,240
# And I watch that man to a
stranger... #
670
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:02,360
They had a fan base with them
and their fans weren't watching
the band. They wear just dancing.
671
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,960
# ..The moon is lit with danger
672
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,720
# Complicated... #
673
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:11,440
Miller first saw Depeche Mode
supporting Fad Gadget in east London
and signed them to Mute.
674
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:18,120
None of us knew what we were doing.
By the time I met Depeche we had just
released our first album.
675
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,280
Compared to them, I was an
experienced industry person but
I knew nothing.
676
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,200
You know, they needed a
bit of help in the studio
677
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,000
so I introduced
them to some ways of working.
678
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,800
using sequencers, they'd
never used a sequencer before.
679
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,680
Everything was played by hand.
This is the legendary Arp 2600.
680
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,400
I bought it second-hand in 1979.
681
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:46,520
It was being sold, one
of three being sold by Elton John's
road crew after a world tour.
682
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:52,280
These were used on all the Depeche
Mode albums I was involved with
683
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:58,160
especially on the first
album where it was really
one of only two synths that we used.
684
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,880
You can hear it going out of tune
on that note there.
685
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,720
It's not really in tune at all.
686
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:06,720
MUSIC: "Just Can't Get Enough"
by Depeche Mode
687
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,640
Depeche Mode would prove to be
the real silicon teens.
688
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,960
The combination of sex appeal
and synthesisers
689
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,400
would make them one of
the biggest pop acts of 1981.
690
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,320
# When I'm with you baby
I go out of my head
691
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,000
# And I just can't get enough
And I just can't get enough
692
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,720
# All the things you do to me
and everything you said
693
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:33,680
# I just can't get enough
I just can't get enough
694
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,840
# We slip and slide
as we fall in love
695
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,760
# And I just can't seem to
get enough of... #
696
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,280
When Depeche Mode,
when we were gigging
697
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,200
we'd all carry our synthesisers
698
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,960
and I, for some reason,
699
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,520
had to buy the heaviest synthesiser
out of all of them, you know.
700
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,840
We didn't have cars or anything,
we'd be on the train,
701
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,200
and this really is quite heavy.
702
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,920
So I'd have this thing under my arm,
Fletcher would have a Moog,
703
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,520
Martin had a Yamaha, I think,
on the train.
704
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,720
# I just can't get enough
I just can't get enough... #
705
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:15,320
When we did our first
Top Of The Pops we were on the train
with these, our synthesisers.
706
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,280
You got the train
to Top Of The Pops? Yeah.
707
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,200
From Basildon to Fenchurch Street
and then on the underground.
708
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,920
But like Human before, it wouldn't
all be plain sailing for Depeche.
709
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,440
I think, you know,
you've got to remember that
710
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,240
during our pop period we had lots of
fans and a lot of people liked us
711
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:41,520
but there were a lot of people
hated us.
712
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,960
Certainly the '80s
was a real old battle royal
713
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:53,120
between us and journalism
in general, music journalism.
714
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,760
It was just really, you know, pop.
715
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,960
You know, I think...
716
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:04,400
I can understand why
people hated what we did,
you know, looking back on it now.
717
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,200
It wasn't just the sound. It was...
718
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:11,240
You know, we were young kids and we
just did anything that came along.
719
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:17,280
You know, every TV that we were
asked to do, we did, and it
didn't matter how stupid it was.
720
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,920
She said "Do you think he might give
me a kiss before the end
of the day,"
721
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,280
and I said, "Ask him yourself."
But if I ask you, you might...
722
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,280
If I turn my back you might just...
723
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,280
Well, you know,
there's something very un-British
about electronic music
724
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,520
to start with. They want bands
to be like they were in the '60s -
725
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,000
four guys, guitar, bass and drums,
726
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,920
pretty lead singer, skinny jeans,
727
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,880
you know, conventional kind of thing.
728
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,440
That's really what sells newspapers,
I guess.
729
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,960
# Playing on my radio
and saying that you had to go... #
730
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,120
They'd written Depeche Mode off
anyway as a teeny-bop band,
731
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,440
a one-hit wonder,
especially once Vince left,
they thought "Well, that's over."
732
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,720
# New day, turn away
Wipe away the tear... #
733
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:06,560
In November '81,
Clarke unexpectedly quit.
734
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,800
I was, and still am,
a bit of a control freak.
735
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,080
So, with the advent of computers
and sequencers
736
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,840
I realised that I could
make all of the music myself.
737
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,600
You know, I didn't need necessarily
other people to play the parts.
738
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,440
I got a real satisfaction out of
programming all of the parts myself.
739
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:38,400
Without their chief songwriter, it
seemed the game was up for Depeche
Mode before they really got going.
740
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,960
MUSIC: "Don't You Want Me?"
by The Human League
741
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,720
In the same year,
a reversal of fortune
742
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:49,320
had seen a new-look Human League
finally get in on the pop action,
743
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,280
partly thanks to a line-up change
744
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,680
that took them out of the pages
of the NME and put them
on the front page of Smash Hits.
745
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:01,200
# You were working as a waitress
in a cocktail bar
746
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,080
# When I met you
747
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,840
# I picked you out, I shook you up
and turned you around
748
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,920
# Turned you into someone new... #
749
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,960
We got Joanne and Susan
simply because we were
booked to do a European tour
750
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:21,560
and Martyn and myself became
unable to be in the same group
and we just thought,
751
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:26,960
"Well, get some nice high vocals,
yeah, let's try a girl.
752
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,160
"Let's be a bit different
and try a girl."
753
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:35,960
From that the step was that if we
were gonna take a girl on the road
754
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,760
with a load of terrible randy idiots
like us
755
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,720
there ought to be two of them
to look after each other.
756
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:43,760
Joanne and Susan turned up...
757
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:49,640
I was being sarcastic there,
by the way, we were sitting there
reading books, really.
758
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,440
# You better change it back
or we will both be sorry
759
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,800
# Don't you want me, baby?
760
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,640
# Don't you want me, oh?
761
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,120
# Don't you want me, baby...? #
762
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:09,080
Oakley spotted the girls dancing in
a futurist night club in Sheffield.
763
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,760
Our parents thought,
"There's some ulterior motive,
764
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,720
"something's going on."
765
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:17,760
But then Philip came round
and met both sets of parents
766
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,960
and they thought
he was a decent enough guy
767
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,240
and then we went to school
with our parents and they
talked to the head teacher,
768
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:29,840
who thought that it would be
good for our education
769
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,600
to have six weeks
going round Europe
770
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,000
because we could go to art galleries
and things like that.
771
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,960
# Put your hand in a party wave
772
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,040
# Pass around
773
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,840
# Make a shroud pulling combs
through a backwash frame... #
774
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:51,720
We never went to
said art galleries!
775
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:53,480
We did go to a lot of clubs.
776
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,960
Yeah. We went to Cologne Cathedral,
777
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,520
that was about the most cultural
thing we ever did.
778
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,880
# Get around town, get around town
779
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,360
# Where the people look good
Where the music is loud
780
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,480
# Get around town
No need to stand proud
781
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,480
# Add your voice
to the sound of the crowd... #
782
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,920
It also meant that we could
appeal to women as well as men.
783
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,280
The early Human League
was a very male-based group
784
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,360
and really only lads in long coats
liked us.
785
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,560
And some transvestites.
786
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,640
OK, pop music, let's go.
787
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,480
Anyone here like The Human League?
788
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,520
# The shades from a pencil peer... #
789
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:43,000
Released in 1981, Dare crystallised
the new synth-pop sound.
790
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,360
# A fold in an eyelid... #
791
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,680
We did something that
could only be done at that stage.
792
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,400
While we were doing it they
were bringing the machines in
that enabled us to do it.
793
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,480
For instance, the very first Lynn
drum I think that arrived in England
794
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:04,600
came into our studio and we took
the drums off Sound Of The Crowd
and put the Lynn drum on.
795
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,280
Without that, probably,
it wouldn't have worked.
796
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:13,040
I remember when Martyn
got the Lynn drum
797
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:18,600
and it was like
a child at Christmas getting
the first fire engine or something.
798
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:24,520
He was jumping up and down and all
the boys were, "Oh, it's a drum!"
799
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:29,200
Before that, apparently,
the drums had been one of
the hardest things to do
800
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:35,240
and now there was this box that was
this big and you could program it.
801
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,720
They were all very excited
and we were a bit like, "OK, boys."
802
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,280
Now the flood gates were open.
803
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,440
The rush to market
swept every aspect of
British life in the early '80s.
804
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,640
Everything was now up for grabs,
including pop music.
805
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:57,920
In an attempt to eclipse his
ex-bandmates, former Human League
member Martyn Ware
806
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,360
would cash in on the times
with a concept album.
807
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,280
We were doing the day shifts,
they were doing the night shifts
in the same studio.
808
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,400
They were making Dare, we were
making Penthouse And Pavement.
809
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,400
I've never been so motivated
in my life, believe me.
810
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,320
I said, "We're gonna make it stylish,
fantastic.
811
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,720
"Finally, the shackles are off, we
can start using other instruments
812
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,480
"cos the original manifesto
is broken,
813
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,520
"but we're still gonna make it
predominantly electronic."
814
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,880
And so the idea was that suddenly
we're not a group,
815
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,560
we are ripping open the facade
and going,
816
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,640
"No, this is great music,
but it's a business."
817
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,000
It really is a business.
It doesn't matter.
818
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,360
Bob Dylan can sing all he wants.
819
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,200
He's busy brown-nosing
the A&R men behind the scenes.
820
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,440
# Now here comes my job
821
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,960
# Credit bleeding with the mob
822
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,760
# Dreams become ideals... #
823
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,160
But, ironically,
and we were totally anti-Thatcher
824
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,240
and always had been, you know,
Fascist Groove Thang etc.
825
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:11,320
It got taken on board
by the aspirational yuppie culture
826
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,880
in the early '80s as their kind of
theme tunes a lot of the time.
827
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,680
Like Let's All Make A Bomb.
828
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,520
They completely missed the point of
the song, totally, and it was like,
829
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,840
"Yeah, mate, remember listening
to that, yeah. it's fantastic, mate.
830
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,960
"Love the ponytails."
831
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,080
MUSIC: "Penthouse And Pavement"
by Heaven 17
832
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,800
Not everyone wanted in
on booming Britain.
833
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:38,440
Cabaret Voltaire were neither
into ponytails nor popularity.
834
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,240
Their vision of Britain was
concerned with the inner city riots
835
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:46,000
that erupted across the country
in summer '81.
836
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,560
People say that
The Specials' Ghost Town
837
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:56,040
was the soundtrack to the unrest
of that year, but a lot of people
838
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,520
alternatively think that
Red Mecca was the sound of that.
839
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,160
I think I've said in the past,
840
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,720
somehow that insurrection
on the streets kind of
found its way into the music.
841
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,680
You kind of took some
heart in the fact
842
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,080
that some people were kicking back
against the system,
843
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:24,400
albeit in quite a crude manner, and
were prepared to take on the police.
844
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,680
You know, we weren't paranoid, this
stuff was slowly happening, you know,
845
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,760
the rise of surveillance culture,
846
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:43,600
the rise of the right wing in America
and the fundamentalist Christians.
847
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,920
Eh, oh la, in the name of Jesus.
848
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,440
Then you've got like
the revolution in Iran
849
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,680
with the Shah being deposed
850
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:59,080
and the general feeling
that things are moving to the right.
851
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:12,000
Meanwhile, something strangely
synthetic was happening in the
sleazy underbelly of London's Soho.
852
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,320
MUSIC: "Tainted Love"
by Soft Cell
853
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,680
I was going to lots of Northern
Soul clubs so I was listening to
854
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,160
kind of Kraftwerk
and Northern Soul,
855
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:33,600
which is where things developed from,
really, in my head.
856
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,240
HE PLAYS "Tainted Love"
857
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,760
There... I missed it.
858
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,000
If we had the money we'd come
to Soho and just hang around Soho,
859
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,720
just getting ideas,
which is where the name came from.
860
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,840
# Sometimes I feel I've got to
861
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,840
# Run away... #
862
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:01,480
And Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret was
a bar back in 1980 or whatever.
863
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:06,280
That's where that photograph's from.
We were just kind of fascinated,
864
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,160
being these two northern hicks
from the sticks
865
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,800
and suddenly, "Wow, this is amazing."
866
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:16,040
It was kind of glamorous
and dangerous.
867
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,200
Lots of neon lights and stuff,
which we were fascinated by.
868
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,760
# Now I run from you
869
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,640
# This tainted love you've given
870
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,280
# I give you all
a boy could give you
871
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,720
# Take my tears
and that's not nearly all
872
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,760
# Tainted love
Oh, oh, oh, tainted love... #
873
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,480
The first people
doing the electro thing
874
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,080
really caned the alienation,
"I am hollow inside" thing,
875
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,840
like Gary Numan,
and you get this second wave
876
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:53,520
where you've got the cold,
glistening synth sound but
the singer's actually very emotional.
877
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,920
Marc Almond's a good example of that,
torridly emotional.
878
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:02,280
# ..Someone to hold you tight
And you'll think love is to pray... #
879
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,120
It's like
there's a super-passionate singer
880
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,800
and then the one other person,
usually a guy with a synthesiser,
881
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,560
and I think they're using the synth
more as like
882
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,920
a miniature or condensed orchestra,
883
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,880
like they can get all the sounds
they need out of this one box.
884
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,400
So really it's more like
electronic soul music.
885
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,880
# Take my tears
and that's not nearly all #
886
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,160
Where Soft Cell led,
others would follow.
887
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:30,160
Having left Depeche Mode,
Vince Clarke would form his own duo
888
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,600
with a rhythm-and-blues singer,
also from Basildon.
889
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,280
Vince I met for the first time
890
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,320
when I was 11. We both went to the
same Saturday morning music school.
891
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,080
It was a council-run thing where
892
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,160
I believe he was playing violin
and I was playing oboe.
893
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:51,480
Even though we'd never spoken in
that time I recognised him for the
fact that there was three of them,
894
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:56,960
three brothers with this white-blond
hair looking like a family of ducks
going across the road, you know.
895
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,760
Once I left Depeche I had some songs
896
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,880
which I wanted to demo
for the record company.
897
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,720
One of them being Only You.
898
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,160
# Looking from the window above
899
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,320
# It's like a story of love... #
900
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,480
Anyway, I got in touch with Alison
cos I vaguely knew her.
901
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:21,040
We didn't have plans to
form a band or anything,
we had no history together.
902
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,960
We just went from the demo
to the recording studio
903
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,040
to making the first record.
904
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,400
# All I needed was the love you gave
905
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,160
# All I needed for another day
906
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,840
# And all I ever knew
907
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,640
# Only you... #
908
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,920
I wasn't overly interested
in technology,
909
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:47,720
I couldn't even afford a record
player or cassette player
so the idea of buying hardware...
910
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,080
There's no point in lusting after
the things you can't have.
911
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,040
Like me thinking about a mini-skirt.
912
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,520
# Listen to the words that you say
913
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,360
# It's getting harder to stay
914
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,120
# When I see you... #
915
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,880
Vince Clarke then forms
another one of these classic
916
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,520
sort of fire and ice groups.
917
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,400
The ice is the synth
and the fire is Alison Moyet,
918
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,480
so that's almost like a template
for 80s pop -
919
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,920
the synthesiser guy,
the synthesiser boffin,
920
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,560
and then
the super-passionate singer,
921
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,640
usually female or maybe gay male.
It's kind of...
922
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,200
The duo replaces the rock band.
923
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,880
It's an affront to rockism,
isn't it?
924
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,400
Just the look of those bands.
925
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,240
# All I needed
was the love you gave... #
926
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,440
When we first started
working in Yazoo,
927
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:51,840
it was like he was
effectively suffering
from a very recent divorce.
928
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,240
# Only you. #
929
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,600
It's like these were
his childhood mates, Depeche Mode.
930
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,960
This was a huge thing for him,
to go from being a local boy,
931
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,600
like the rest of us,
without a great deal of hope,
932
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,080
without many prospects
or any qualifications.
933
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:11,440
The last thing I'd heard was
he was driving vans for R White's,
crashing them and leaving them.
934
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,480
MUSIC: "Don't Go" by Yazoo
935
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:21,840
Yazoo signed to Mute Records in 1982
and to his surprise,
936
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:26,960
Daniel Miller found himself with
another wildly successful pop act.
937
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,680
# Came in from the city
Walked into the door
938
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,320
# I turned around when I heard
the sound of footsteps on the floor
939
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,840
# Love just like addiction
Now I'm hooked on you
940
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,160
# I need some time to get it right
Your love's gonna see me through
941
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,920
# Can't stop now, don't you know
I ain't ever gonna let you go
942
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,400
# Don't go... #
943
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,360
There was nothing right about it.
944
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:57,520
It was quite soulful music
with a very cold, electronic beat.
945
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:02,680
She didn't fit the typecast
female pop-star image at all.
946
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,440
# Hey, go get the doctor... #
947
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,600
You know, and it's become
a cliche now, but at that time,
948
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,480
the quiet second bloke
on synth wasn't a cliche.
949
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,800
# Can't stop now, don't you know
950
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,520
# I ain't ever gonna let you go
951
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,480
# Don't go... #
952
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,960
In the 18 months that we existed,
myself and Alison never
got to know each other.
953
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:28,520
We never went out to a pub
to have a drink
954
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,760
or did any of that stuff,
any socialising.
955
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,960
It was just in the studio, working.
956
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:39,160
To actually come across somebody
who was unfathomable,
957
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:44,320
who you could not penetrate,
and at the same time had,
958
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:49,720
regardless of what he says, a burning
ambition, he was an ambitious boy.
959
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:54,400
What was amazing about it
is he actually achieved
his ambitions, which again,
960
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,960
coming from where I came from,
you didn't see that very often.
961
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:02,600
And I wanted to penetrate him!
962
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,920
Not biblically, obviously.
963
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,440
# I ain't never gonna let you go
Don't go... #
964
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,280
I just wanted to be
in the studio so much.
965
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:15,120
I would have been in there
24 hours a day.
966
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:19,040
It was like being in a sweet shop.
967
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:27,000
Synth-pop was becoming increasingly
popular and increasingly grand.
968
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:33,560
OMD would enjoy
three top 10 hits in 1982,
969
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,280
two of which were about
Joan of Arc.
970
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,520
We were quite intellectual, you know.
971
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:43,120
Pompous, stuck up our own arses,
I guess you could say.
972
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,280
We were going on Top Of The Pops
973
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,840
with Bonnie Langford and Elton John
and Cliff Richard amongst others,
974
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,400
and we were playing a song
that was in waltz time,
975
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,120
that started with 45 seconds of
distortion and had no chorus,
976
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,920
and had a Mellotron playing
what sounded like bagpipes.
977
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,560
Explain how it works.
Well, actually,
it's fairly straightforward.
978
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,720
It's a musical computer.
979
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,680
The right hand is lead instruments
with a choice of 18 different ones,
980
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:19,680
and the left hand is rhythms in this
half and backgrounds in this half.
981
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,320
It's all been fed
on to hundreds of tape tracks.
982
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:27,600
The Mellotron is a very early sampler
before samplers went digital.
983
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,120
It was a very analogue thing.
984
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,200
Here's a French accordion
with a Viennese waltz.
985
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,160
It was nightmare to use on stage.
986
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:42,520
We were playing in this tiny town
in the middle of France and the
Mellotron was completely out of tune
987
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,920
because all the town were drawing
the power down so much cooking,
988
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,480
the motor wouldn't spin fast enough.
989
01:09:49,480 --> 01:09:52,880
Thank you. Well, David
isn't a musician, as you know,
990
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:58,400
but I have a professional pianist
here who can really show you
what the Mellotron can do.
991
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:03,000
The number of people
who thought that the equipment
992
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,240
wrote the song for you...
993
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,600
"Well, anybody could do it with
the same equipment you've got."
994
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,200
Fuck off.
995
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:16,680
# If Joan of Arc had a heart
996
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:23,320
# Would she give it as a gift? #
997
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,920
It's all played by hand.
998
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,480
Believe me, if there was a button
on a synth or a drum machine
999
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:32,400
that said, "hit single",
I would have pressed it
1000
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,640
as often as anybody else would have,
but there isn't.
1001
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,880
It was all written by real human
beings and it was all played by hand,
1002
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,480
to the point where Paul and I thought
we were gonna get arthritis
1003
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:47,120
in our fingers from playing bass
lines like that for hours on end.
1004
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,760
MUSIC: "Sweet Dreams (Are Made
Of This)" by Eurythmics
1005
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:54,680
Between 1981 and 1983,
synth-pop reigned supreme.
1006
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:57,520
Our charts were chock full
of duos and groups
1007
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,600
who set aside changing the world
1008
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,920
in favour of making it
with a synth on Top Of The Pops.
1009
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,800
# Some of them want to use you
1010
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,400
# Some of them want to
get used by you
1011
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,920
# Some of them want to
abuse you... #
1012
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,040
You've got to remember
that it was the first time ever
1013
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,840
that someone could sit
and make a record on their own.
1014
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,920
Eurythmics came along
1015
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,080
and they did Sweet Dreams
in their basement.
1016
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,560
They recorded it
on an eight-track tape machine.
1017
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,120
Annie sang Sweet Dreams
into a little Shure microphone,
1018
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,480
holding it in her hand,
and won a Grammy for it.
1019
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:45,360
MUSIC: "Vienna" by Ultravox
1020
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,400
And in 1982, along came a song
1021
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,440
that turned the alienation
of the original synth pioneers
1022
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:54,320
into a full-blown epic.
1023
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:59,200
Ultravox would score one of
the biggest synth-pop hits ever,
1024
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:04,880
called Vienna, which has that total
fetishism of Mitteleuropa, Vienna.
1025
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:09,960
It's the Habsburg Empire,
the romance of central Europe.
1026
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,680
# Freezing breath
on the window pane
1027
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,360
# Lying and waiting... #
1028
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:23,400
The movies we were watching and
the music we were listening to
at the time all came out of Europe
1029
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,320
and the history that Europe had,
you know, Vienna being
1030
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,520
this beautifully romantic city,
this beautiful place.
1031
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,520
You put all that together
and you've got this fantastic image,
this wonderful...
1032
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:37,320
I'd never been to Vienna
when we wrote the song,
I didn't know anything about Vienna.
1033
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:41,400
# Reaching out in a piercing cry
It stays with you until... #
1034
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,200
You try putting that down,
that you're gonna write a song
1035
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,360
that is a four-and-a-half-minute long
electronic ballad
1036
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:50,640
that speeds up in the middle
with a viola solo thrown in -
1037
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,000
it doesn't equate, it doesn't work.
1038
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,760
But at the time when you're young and
naive, naivety is a wonderful thing.
1039
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:02,440
# This means nothing to me
1040
01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:05,960
# Oh, Vienna. #
1041
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,560
Not to be outdone by their English
synth-pop derivatives,
1042
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,960
Kraftwerk would return in 1982
1043
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,560
to score their only number one
single success,
1044
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:26,480
cashing in with a song that
they'd originally recorded in 1978.
1045
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:30,000
MUSIC: "The Model" by Kraftwerk
1046
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,120
With The Model that was, in England,
1047
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,080
to be a hit, that was
a complete different story.
1048
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,520
We didn't expect it ourselves.
1049
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:46,760
# She's a model
and she's looking good... #
1050
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:51,400
The reasons was the following -
we had already a single to be played
1051
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,720
on the radio in England
and it was Computer World.
1052
01:13:55,720 --> 01:14:00,320
The man of the EMI London house,
1053
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,960
he didn't know what to
put on the B-side.
1054
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:08,920
And he thought and he thought and
he thought, maybe two days longer,
1055
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:13,880
and suddenly, he had the great idea
to put The Model from the last album,
1056
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,320
Man Machine, on the B-side.
1057
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:22,400
And then they sent the single
to radios, and 80% of the radios
played the B-side.
1058
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,960
# She's going out tonight
Loves drinking just champagne... #
1059
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:37,720
By 1983, Britain had entered an era
of conspicuous consumption and greed
1060
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:42,520
that made the late '70s
seem like a foreign country.
1061
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,600
Loadsamoney!
1062
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:50,600
It would provide inspiration for
Depeche Mode's new chief songwriter.
1063
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,480
# The handshake seals a contract
1064
01:14:56,480 --> 01:15:00,680
# From the contract
There's no turning back
1065
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:05,880
# The turning point of a career... #
1066
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,960
The early '80s were just
a terrible time in Britain.
1067
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,160
And I was young and impressionable,
1068
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,280
and that was really when I first felt
1069
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,760
like I was writing
from the heart really.
1070
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:24,600
# The grabbing hands
grab all they can
1071
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,400
# All for themselves, after all
1072
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:32,680
# The grabbing hands
grab all they can
1073
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:36,720
# All for themselves, after all
1074
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,640
# It's a competitive world... #
1075
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,560
Around the time of
Construction Time Again,
1076
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,560
samplers had just really come out.
1077
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,560
We would just...
It was a whole revelation to us.
1078
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:54,640
We were just going out and smashing
pieces of metal
1079
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,400
with sledgehammers,
raiding the kitchen drawer
1080
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,240
for all the utensils
to make percussion sounds.
1081
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,600
Just anything
we could get our hands on.
1082
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,160
We've got this vague idea at the
moment which was used on the demo.
1083
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:11,040
We've got this pebble,
which we got from the mud.
1084
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,360
Yeah, look, white spots.
1085
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,400
They're the stinging nettles.
1086
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:20,400
Anyway, the idea is to roll
the pebble on this piece of metal
along here,
1087
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,640
this window frame,
1088
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,160
thus causing...
1089
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,800
thus making this sort of sound.
1090
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:28,840
RATTLING
1091
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:35,600
Construction Time Again really
started to see us form as the basis
1092
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,160
of what we are today.
1093
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:39,360
RATTLING
1094
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:44,640
That was a lot better. Anyway,
the idea is to take that sequence
1095
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:48,240
and to make an interesting
rhythm out of it,
1096
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:52,160
and to sequence it
all through the song,
1097
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:53,720
so people dance.
1098
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:03,160
Depeche Mode pioneered their
new sampler-based sound
in London's Shoreditch.
1099
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:07,160
In those days, Shoreditch,
there was not a soul around.
1100
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,480
Now, of course, with Hoxton
etc etc,
1101
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:11,200
it is the trendy place to be,
1102
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,280
but it wasn't when we
were at the Garden Studios.
1103
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,760
There was not a soul to be seen.
1104
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:22,120
# Get out the crane
Construction time again
1105
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:25,760
# What is it this time... #
1106
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,600
I remember, there was one sound
in particular
1107
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,920
that was us actually hitting a piece
of corrugated iron
1108
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,160
that was the side of a building site,
1109
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,040
and the sample sort of went like...
1110
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:41,600
"Krr! Oi!", and that
was the site foreman.
1111
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,600
# It's a lot
It's a lot
1112
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:44,960
# It's a lot
It's a lot
1113
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,640
# It's a lot
It's a lot... #
1114
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:53,320
We seemed, in the '80s,
to be doing a one-band crusade
for electronic music
1115
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:58,680
against the music press, that was
overwhelmingly rock-based.
1116
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:04,880
We would often do interviews
with journalists and we'd have
1117
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,920
a big argument,
because they just didn't consider
1118
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,080
electronic music to be real music.
1119
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,600
# There's a new game
we like to play, you see
1120
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,720
# The game with added reality
1121
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:24,520
# You treat me like a dog
Get me down on my knees
1122
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,800
# We call it master
and servant... #
1123
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:34,000
You know, we got accused at certain
times of being like a very subversive
pop band, and I do think that we did
1124
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:40,200
get away with some stuff that was
probably risque for the radio, just
because we used it in a pop context.
1125
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:46,360
# With you on top and me
underneath... #
1126
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:50,280
In our early career, there was things
like Master And Servant and stuff.
1127
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,960
# Let's play master and servant
1128
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,680
# Let's play master and servant... #
1129
01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:00,560
Some of the reviews were
unbelievably vicious.
1130
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,080
You just couldn't...
Real hatred for the band.
1131
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,080
Real hatred. I don't know why.
It wasn't British, really.
1132
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,360
A journalist once said,
1133
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:16,000
"The music will
appeal to alienated youth
everywhere, and Germans."
1134
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:26,680
Depeche Mode would eventually find
a sympathetic home for their music
in America.
1135
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,000
For a lot of Americans,
England just means gay.
1136
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:41,880
They think it's like a conflation of
Oscar Wilde and various ideas about
British boarding school.
1137
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:46,640
For people who feel different,
or misfits in America,
1138
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,640
England does actually seem
like this utopia.
1139
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:54,520
They imagine everyone in England
walks around wearing eyeliner and
plays synthesisers, you know?
1140
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,840
To be a Depeche Mode fan
was actually a quite was actually
quite a dissident thing.
1141
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:09,920
Depeche Mode were the only act who
were truly successful in exporting
the British electronic sound.
1142
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:14,960
The band would enjoy massive
popularity in America
throughout the '80s and beyond.
1143
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:19,120
Consistently filling
stadiums across the land.
1144
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:20,920
Back in Britain, in '83,
1145
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:25,560
the sampler was moving synth-pop
in a different direction.
1146
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:30,600
Suppose I want to send my loved one
a rather special musical greeting,
well I can.
1147
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:35,240
First, let me give the computer
an idea of the sound that
I actually want to send.
1148
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,200
So, I'll prime it again.
1149
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,400
And now I'll speak into the mic.
Hello!
1150
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:50,880
And we have to wait
a couple of seconds now for the
sound wave to come up. There it is.
1151
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:56,240
SAMPLER: # Hello, hello, hello
Hello, hello, hello. #
1152
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:57,560
Hello, dear.
1153
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:01,960
When we arrived in it,
the Emulator had just been invented.
1154
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:07,200
It was completely riveting, because
it had James Brown going, "Please!"
1155
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,160
You played up
and down the keyboard.
1156
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,120
Had a string quartet
or an orchestra.
1157
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,360
It had a famous Beethoven
"Rumph, rumph."
1158
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:17,760
# West End girl... #
1159
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,840
The first record we made,
West End Girl,
1160
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,000
every sound was actually a sample
played on the same keyboard
1161
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,800
which looked just like
a Bontempi chord organ.
1162
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:34,240
The idea was to take real life
and put it against beautiful or
dance or both music.
1163
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:38,840
Because we were the last of the
thing that started with
The Human League,
1164
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:44,240
and we were probably the
first of the thing where
pop music was raised to dance music.
1165
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,200
# In a West End town
a dead end world
1166
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,040
# The East End boys
and West End girls
1167
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,840
# Oh, in a West End town
a dead end world
1168
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,080
# East End boys
West End girls... #
1169
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:06,080
The Pet Shop Boys
gave us a glimpse of what the future
held for British electronic music.
1170
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,720
But the band that would truly
spearhead the shift from synth-pop
1171
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:14,240
to dance music had evolved out
of the ashes of Joy Division.
1172
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:20,680
Whilst in America, New Order
would have a synthetic epiphany.
1173
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,160
Kind of at the period
where Ian had died
1174
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,320
and we were going
recording in New York.
1175
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:34,360
We were spending a lot of time
in New York and I was going
1176
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,080
to night clubs after the studio.
1177
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:38,800
Every night.
1178
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:44,120
I remember sitting there on these
kind of steps in a club and thinking,
1179
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,400
"Wouldn't it be great
if one day,
1180
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,320
"our music was played
in a place like this."
1181
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,720
That sort of planted
a seed in my head, really,
1182
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:58,280
that got me interested
in more in synthesisers.
1183
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:03,480
You know, if you play an encore
or something, you know,
1184
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:06,640
it's like, you're just falling
into the trap, you know,
1185
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,920
it's a phoney thing
doing an encore, everyone expects it.
1186
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,640
"Ooh, let's get these machines
to do a track and we'll just go on
1187
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,320
"as if we're doing an encore,
press a button and then bugger off."
1188
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:19,360
That was the idea.
1189
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,120
When Blue Monday came out,
a lot of people didn't like it.
1190
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,560
They went, "What, what...
1191
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,720
"it doesn't sound like New Order,
what are you doing?
1192
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,680
"It doesn't sound like
you're supposed to sound."
1193
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,720
A lot of people were like, "I don't
like that." Then, it just took off.
1194
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,560
# How does it feel?
1195
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,280
# To treat me like you do?
1196
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,920
# When you laid your hands upon me
1197
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,000
# And told me who you are... #
1198
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,160
I guess, people went on holidays
1199
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:07,240
and they hear it in night clubs
in Spain and Greece and stuff,
1200
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,360
and when they came back,
1201
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,080
they would buy it'd be
a big hit over and over again.
1202
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:21,080
Blue Monday's inscrutable
club cool would make it become the
biggest-selling 12-inch of all time,
1203
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:26,480
originally released in 1983,
it heralded the future
for British electronica.
1204
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:31,200
A new age of dance music,
unconcerned with pop charts
and commercial appeal,
1205
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:35,280
would gain a massive following
that thrives to this day.
1206
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:44,160
For those electronic pioneers who
had brought the synth into British
pop music, it was the end of an era.
1207
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,960
It sort of starts,
I guess, round about '83.
1208
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,440
It was just overdone.
It was saturated.
1209
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:51,760
There was too much
synth-pop around.
1210
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,120
# This is the sound
of all of our friends... #
1211
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:59,280
It's on a synth, but the
melodies and the way the songs
1212
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:03,000
were structured were really
pretty traditional and quite trite.
1213
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,680
It wasn't that inventive
as electronic music.
1214
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:10,120
# Somebody's got their eye on me
1215
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,880
# Perhaps I should
invite him up for tea... #
1216
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:18,400
Towards the middle of the '80s,
there wasn't so much encouragement
1217
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,640
from the record companies to
do more experimental stuff.
1218
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:27,440
I meant that initial supernova
of post-punk, it was dying away.
1219
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:29,720
And slowly but surely,
1220
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,640
the cancerous growth
of market-led A&R-ing
1221
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,720
started invidiously creeping up
1222
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:41,840
and blandifying and homogenising
the musical market, in my view.
1223
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,960
We were a bit lost by then.
1224
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,800
It was all a bit...
We felt we'd achieved it.
1225
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:51,360
We thought we'd proved our point,
and it just looked like
1226
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,360
we didn't have
anything left to prove.
1227
01:25:56,080 --> 01:26:02,120
The commodification of synth-pop
marked the end of a golden era
in which a generation of post-punk
1228
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:08,640
musicians had taken the synth
from the fringes of experimentation
to the centre of the pop stage.
1229
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:14,600
Out of the '70s and into the '80s.
1230
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:24,360
At the time, it was just really,
really exciting, and it was exciting
to be a part of a musical movement
1231
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:27,400
that had never been done before,
that was different.
1232
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,160
It wasn't a rehash of anything.
1233
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:37,760
Those early electronic records,
they'd ever been done before, so,
it was a fine time.
1234
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:41,320
# I only knew you for a while... #
1235
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:46,160
We were trying to do something new.
That's specifically why we chose
electronics
1236
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:50,640
and embraced every new piece
of equipment we could
get our hands on or afford.
1237
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:54,560
We wanted to sweep away all of the
old rock cliches and stereotypes
1238
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,840
and the lead guitar solos
and long hair and everything.
1239
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:01,760
And then what happens towards
the end of the '80s and
even worse in the mid '90s,
1240
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:06,600
everybody decides that guitars
are back in, synthesisers
are somehow old-fashioned,
1241
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,560
and you get Oasis! Horror!
1242
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,560
# We'll always be together
1243
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,560
# However far it seems
1244
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,200
# Love never ends
1245
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,960
# We'll always be together
1246
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:27,320
# Together in electric dreams
1247
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,960
# Because the friendship
that you gave
1248
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,120
# Has taught me to be brave
1249
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:44,560
# No matter where I go
1250
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,960
# I'll never find
a better prize... #
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