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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,560 This programme contains some strong language. 2 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:10,600 SYNTHESISER PLAYS VARYING NOTES 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:18,640 Welcome to a time when there were no guitars and no drums, just synthesisers. 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,160 It was the 1970s. 5 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,560 The place was Britain, and our heroes were a maverick bunch 6 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,920 of young pioneers, obsessed by Kraftwerk and science fiction. 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,960 All across the country, these synthetic dreamers would imagine 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,600 the very sound of the future - yesterday. 9 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:47,960 And by the '80s, their dreams would become a reality, as Britain went synth-pop. 10 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,600 Welcome to a time when machines ruled the world. 11 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,200 # I stand still stepping on the shady streets 12 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,680 # And I watch that man to a stranger 13 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,720 # You think you only know me when you turn on the light 14 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,280 # Now the room is lit with danger 15 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,920 # Complicating, circulating new life 16 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,360 # New life 17 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,560 # Operating, generating 18 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,360 # New life, new life. # 19 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,200 FANFARE 20 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,960 By the 1970s, we were living in the future. 21 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:45,240 Our cities were going space age. 22 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:50,720 MUSIC: "William Tell Overture" by G Rossini 23 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:56,640 Victorian slums had been torn down and replaced by ultra-modern concrete high-rises. 24 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,560 Entertainment also looked to the future. 25 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,760 Our cinema and television screens were full of tantalising glimpses 26 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,480 of a future that seemed just around the corner. 27 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:37,240 Released in 1971, Stanley Kubrick's Clockwork Orange was a futuristic 28 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,840 and violent vision of concrete Britain that captured the zeitgeist. 29 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:51,680 The film's soundtrack was composed by American synth pioneer Walter, now Wendy, Carlos. 30 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,840 It would have a profound effect on a generation of would-be musicians. 31 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,320 That was probably a lot of people's maybe first time they'd heard electronic music, 32 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,800 on the score to that film. It made me forever associate 33 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,560 classical music with people getting their heads kicked in, 34 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,320 which is kind of a bit strange. 35 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:22,560 The soundtrack to Clockwork Orange - fantastic synth sounds in that. 36 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,160 Big Moog synthesiser that Wendy Carlos used. 37 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,240 And there were all orchestrated. 38 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,880 Well, Wendy, who then said she was Walter, I never quite worked out 39 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,520 what was going on there, was an absolute inspiration, you know. 40 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,840 The first time we had ever heard that sort of absorbent synth 41 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,120 bass sound...just raved about it. 42 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:52,360 Some of the people who would be future post-punk people, would listen to the three or four 43 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:59,400 original compositions that Carlos did on that soundtrack that were much more sinister and foreboding. 44 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,880 There was a kind of linkage made there between those sounds and 45 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:09,320 the idea of a cold future, a bleak future, and that probably sunk quite deeply into the psyche of a lot 46 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,920 of young musicians at that time. 47 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,000 For a generation of electronic dreamers, 48 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,160 Carlos's sound track would offer a glimpse of an alienated synthetic future. 49 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,880 But the true divine spark 50 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:27,200 would arrive on our television screens in 1975. 51 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,520 Tomorrow's World gave Britain its first glimpse of Kraftwerk, 52 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:35,960 a German band who played only electronic instruments. 53 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,320 ELECTRONIC DRUM BEAT 54 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,960 They would invade our shores later the same year. 55 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:57,120 We played one of our first gigs in 1975 of our English tour in Liverpool. 56 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,440 The Wings Over Britain tour was playing the same night in the town. 57 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,040 That was also the reason why our hall was only half crowded. 58 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,640 # Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn 59 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,000 # Fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn. # 60 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,280 All of our posters were stuck right next to the posters of the Wings, 61 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:19,040 so it made us proud of course, you know. 62 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,920 # Die Fahrbahn ist ein graues Band 63 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,480 # Weisse Streifen, gruener Rand. # 64 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:28,760 Amazingly they came to Liverpool in October of '75, 65 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,840 and I sat in seat Q36 66 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:35,040 and witnessed the first day of rest of my life. 67 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,920 '75 was all the era of long hair and flared trousers and guitar solos. 68 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,840 And these guys all came out in suits and ties. 69 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:47,360 Two of them looked like they were playing electronic tea trays with wired-up knitting needles. 70 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,960 And I was just...blown away. It really, it was incredible. 71 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,680 We had no long hair, we didn't wear blue jeans. 72 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,680 We had suits on, grey suits. Short hair, you know. 73 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,560 And we looked like the... 74 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,360 children of Wernher von Braun or Werner von Siemens. 75 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,120 We saw ourselves as engineer musicians, like that, 76 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,840 instead of dancing, a voice on stage to arouse the girls, you know. 77 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,160 The interesting thing afterwards, there was a knock at our backstage door. 78 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,040 It was a band. They were called Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark. 79 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:33,200 And the leader, Andy McCluskey, was really astonished and happy 80 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,760 that he was meeting us in person. 81 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,080 And he said, "You know, guys, you have shown us the future! 82 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,920 "This is it! We throw away our guitars tomorrow and buy all synthesisers." 83 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:53,600 In terms of inspiring people to not just have a synthesiser in their rock band, 84 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,400 but to be completely electronic, 85 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,760 I think you can never underestimate the impact of Kraftwerk. 86 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,320 Trans-Europe Express had the same impact on the synth-pop 87 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,280 as anarchy in the UK had on people who wanted to be punk rockers. 88 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:10,040 'Next year, Kraftwerk hope to eliminate the keyboards altogether 89 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,040 'and build jackets with electronic lapels which can be played by touch.' 90 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:25,160 In British music in the mid '70s, the synth was a remote beast. 91 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,440 Although they would become much cheaper later 92 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,960 in the decade, a synthesiser then could cost as much as a small house. 93 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:37,880 They were associated with rich and technically gifted progressive musicians. 94 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,560 Until punk came along, you had to be Keith Emerson. 95 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:54,040 If you wanted to be in a band, you had to have learned your instrument for at least eight or nine years 96 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,920 before you would dare come out and play it. 97 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,880 And it was simply the inspiration of The Damned and The Clash... 98 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,600 ..that said, get up and do it, you know. 99 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,720 Do your best. If it's crap, maybe the simplicity will get you through. 100 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,880 Whilst the music didn't concern itself with synthesisers, the attitude of the punk movement 101 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:27,000 would inspire those with an interest in electronic music to do it themselves. 102 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,640 # Oh 103 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,080 # White riot - I wanna riot 104 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,440 # White riot - a riot of my own 105 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,480 # White riot - I wanna riot 106 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,360 # White riot - a riot... # 107 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,320 All the infrastructure around punk we absolutely loved. 108 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,360 It's just that the actual music we saw as being quite old-fashioned. 109 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,720 And I think they had been a bit of a one-trick pony. 110 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,160 So what we did was, we took the attitudes of punk and give it 111 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:56,400 a different context, ie, let's make music that nobody's heard before. 112 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:05,080 Across the country, small pockets of experimentation surfaced, inspired primarily by punk and Kraftwerk. 113 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,680 We were in my studio at home in south-east London. 114 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:15,280 One day I opened my e-mail inbox, there were 10 e-mails from a very 115 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,760 disparate bunch of people saying, 116 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,640 you've got to go to eBay now and buy this. 117 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,840 What was Kraftwerk's original vocoder, 118 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,160 which was being sold on eBay. And it was the one that was used on Autobahn. 119 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,200 I thought, well, this is the equivalent for a guitarist of getting 120 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,240 Jimi Hendrix's guitar that was used on Purple Haze or something. 121 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,760 MUSIC STARTS 122 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:46,240 # TVOD... # 123 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:51,440 I first got a synthesiser in...1977. 124 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:58,560 And I bought a second-hand Korg 700S from Macari's Music Shop 125 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:00,200 in Charing Cross Road. 126 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:06,080 The thing that pissed me off about punk was you had to learn three chords to be in a punk band. 127 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,840 If you had a synthesiser, all you had to do was press one key with a finger. 128 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,560 # I don't need a TV screen 129 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:15,880 # I just stick the aerial 130 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,440 # Into my skin. # 131 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,120 Advances in technology in the late '70s heralded the invention 132 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,000 of the affordable synth, costing no more than an electric guitar. 133 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:32,800 Daniel Miller used his to form The Normal, an experimental act that supported punk groups. 134 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,200 Miller drew on the work of English author JG Ballard 135 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,120 whose Crash was another futuristic vision of Britain. 136 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,600 # Warm 137 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,520 # Leatherette 138 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,640 # Warm 139 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,640 # Leatherette... # 140 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,680 I'd just broken up with a girlfriend who I was very much in love with. 141 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:58,880 And a friend of mine said, read this book. And I read it, 142 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,680 and it really had a huge... 143 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:05,480 I'm using all these puns, like impact. 144 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,320 But it did have a huge impact. 145 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,920 # See the breaking glass in the underpass... # 146 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,520 It wasn't like science fiction in the sense it was outer space and stuff like that. 147 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,080 It felt like it was five minutes into the future, and I loved that aspect of it, 148 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,360 the fact it was so outrageous, but so possible at the same time. 149 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,480 # Leatherette... # 150 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,400 Warm Leatherette by The Normal. The Normal was the alias of Daniel Miller. 151 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:32,520 # Hear the crashing steel... # 152 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,600 The lyrics are just a precis of some of the concepts in Crash, 153 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:41,200 Ballard's novel, which was about people who have car accidents and find that 154 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:48,160 thereafter their sexuality has been diverted and they are obsessed with being turned on by car crashes. 155 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:53,960 So you had the lyric like, "The hand brake penetrates your thigh - quick, let's make love before you die." 156 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,960 # Warm 157 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,080 # Leatherette... # 158 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,040 The music was supposed to be visual. 159 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:06,080 You know, like driving along a highway with big buildings either side and going into a tunnel. 160 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,120 There's quite a lot of humour in it really. 161 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,720 It wasn't meant be apocalyptic or dystopian. 162 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,000 Miller was one of Britain's first synth poets. And he wasn't alone. 163 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:27,000 In the north of England, a bunch of computer programmers dreamt of a similar feature. 164 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,600 We loved JG Ballard. 165 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,840 In fact, Roxy had a song, To HB, about Humphrey Bogart. 166 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:39,160 And we had a song, 4JG, which was about JG Ballard. 167 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,360 The Future were a bunch of sci-fi nerds from Sheffield. 168 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:47,600 They formed in '77 and played only synthesisers. 169 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:58,800 When I bought my Korg 700S in...1976, 170 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,120 it was the first time there was a monophonic synthesiser 171 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,800 which you could do stuff with, which was kind of domestic level, entry level, in terms of price. 172 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,720 It was £350, I think. 173 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,600 And I remember distinctly thinking at the time - 174 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,680 I with a computer operator - there was a decision day 175 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:18,080 where it was either buy a second-hand car and learn to drive, 176 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,240 or go and buy this monophonic synthesiser. 177 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,760 And that proved to be quite a fateful day, because I still can't drive. 178 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,160 But I've still got that synthesiser. 179 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:35,880 This is a Mini-Korg 700S, and was the first affordable synth. 180 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,680 Fantastic machine. Completely eccentric. 181 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:42,360 # Listen to voice of Buddha... # 182 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,800 They give you a book of patches with it. 183 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:49,720 Because it was Japanese, there would be things like Synthy Cat or Funny Frog. 184 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:54,840 And you can't follow why it's doing what it does, but it sounds great. 185 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,840 Usually with a synthesiser, you can get it to do something for you. 186 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,720 You don't have to be manually good at all. 187 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,320 That was why we turned to them in the first place, 188 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,080 cos no-one could learn how do the guitars either. 189 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,560 We'd all tried. My brother's a great guitarist and he tried to teach me. 190 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:12,800 It just hurts your hand. So we use these things. 191 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,840 You can press a switch on, and they'll do things for about ten minutes. It's quite interesting. 192 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,400 If you've got a tape recorder, you can put it down, put something next to it and it will sound all right. 193 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:26,120 # ..Doesn't mean that she's your better... # 194 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,360 The day that I joined the band, Martyn came round my house and he had two records under his arm. 195 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:36,320 One was Trans-Europe Express, and one was I Feel Love. And he said, "Look, WE can do this." 196 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,280 I think that was his actual phrase. 197 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,800 MUSIC: "I Feel Love" by Donna Summer 198 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:48,120 We loved all that stuff. The concept albums that Giorgio Moroder did with Donna Summer. 199 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,200 (MACHINE-DISTORTED VOICE) # One, two, three, four, five. # 200 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,480 We used to play those continuously. 201 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,320 This wasn't some kind of post-gay ironic thing. 202 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,560 It's because they sounded great and interesting. 203 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,920 You were never really sure what the next set of sounds coming up was going to be. 204 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,440 I Feel Love just didn't sound like any record that had been before. 205 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,640 It came on the radio, and you couldn't quite believe what you were hearing. 206 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,440 It was hypnotic, but it was driving. 207 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,520 # It's so good... # 208 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,560 Moroder's mood music was the disco single of '77. 209 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,880 Its success would set the template for the future of the future. 210 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,280 # I'm in love I'm in love, I'm in love... # 211 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,920 We were in fact much more influenced by Moroder than we were by Kraftwerk. 212 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,720 Everyone...ever since anyone that knows we used synths, "Oh, you sound like Kraftwerk, don't you?" 213 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,120 We use the same instruments, so some of the sounds are a bit the same. 214 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,840 But we never really wanted to be Kraftwerk, we wanted to be a pop band. 215 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,680 We wanted to... 216 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,880 embody a sense of futurism 217 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,840 without being so literal. 218 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,160 It just so happened a friend of ours, he had bought for him this 219 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,840 science-fiction board game called Star Force. 220 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,240 And it was prodigiously tedious. 221 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,440 It was real geek stuff. 222 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,560 It was impenetrable. You couldn't play it. 223 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:19,000 There was The Rise Of The Human League, or something. 224 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,920 And I thought, The Human League, that is such a cool name. 225 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,680 # No future, they say... # 226 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,400 The Human League set out to make electronic pop for the modern city. 227 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,480 # The city is human 228 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,960 # Blind youth take hope You're no Joe Soap 229 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,200 # Your time is due Big fun come soon 230 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,440 # We've had it easy We should be glad 231 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,720 # High-rise living's not so bad... # 232 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,200 The Human League have a totally different spin on synthesisers 233 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,800 where it was much more like this bright technocratic 234 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,040 optimism thing. In fact, in one of their early songs, 235 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,800 Blind Youth, they make fun of people who go on about dehumanisation. 236 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,320 # Dehumanisation 237 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,080 # Is such a big word 238 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,040 # It's been around 239 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,560 # Since 240 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,280 # Richard the Third 241 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,880 # Dehumanisation 242 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,560 # Is easy to say 243 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,600 # But if you're not a hermit 244 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,400 # You know the city's OK. # 245 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,360 I'd say most of the brightness came from Martyn. 246 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:27,320 Martyn's very optimistic, and if anyone's moaning about 247 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,560 anything, Martyn will go and write a song in the opposite direction. 248 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,880 I think I felt a bit gloomy about the concrete jungle and everything, 249 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,800 which is ridiculous, cos I'm a townie. 250 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,120 I gravitate towards concrete... 251 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,760 If you put me in the country, I would find the nearest town and I'll be sitting in a bar quite quickly. 252 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,360 # Blind youth take hope You're no Joe Soap 253 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:52,120 # Your time is due Big fun come soon... # 254 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:56,080 Unfortunately, British pop music wasn't quite ready 255 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,480 for a synth-led group of futurists...just yet. 256 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:07,320 But in 1978, The Human League weren't the only group experimenting with electronics in Sheffield. 257 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,400 This is the old Psalter Lane art college, 258 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:18,960 which used to be part of Sheffield Polytechnic in the 1970s. 259 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,040 I believe The Human League also played this very place 260 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,600 for their first-ever live show in Sheffield. 261 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:31,360 Cabaret Voltaire did perform in this very room. 262 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,480 Yeah, we just thought there was nothing for us. 263 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,760 It was all kind of bloated super groups 264 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,240 and progressive bands 265 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,720 who weren't even from the same kind of social backgrounds. 266 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,560 They were probably public school educated, 267 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:53,840 whereas most of the scene in Sheffield was pretty solid working class. 268 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:02,440 You'd find little bits of interest interesting music within perhaps 269 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,560 some of the prog rock stuff where there'd be a weird little synth break. 270 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,640 But then once you kind of started to discover all the German bands, 271 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,040 you realised that there were entire albums that were made of electronics. 272 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,160 Whilst The Human League dreamt of pop, Cabaret Voltaire 273 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:31,120 were anything but, using electronics to explore Sheffield, a city torn between the past and the future. 274 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:38,240 I remember watching loads of science fiction things 275 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,880 in the '60s, like Doctor Who and things like Quatermass. 276 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,440 And all these kinds of strange things seemed to happen 277 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,360 in old gasworks or industrial environments. 278 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:55,560 There was an other-worldliness about it. 279 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,600 You might see an alien or a giant blob creeping across the floor, 280 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,480 glowing bright green from radioactivity. 281 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,480 # Nag nag nag 282 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,400 # Nag nag nag. # 283 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,560 A very arty group. Obviously their name echoes Dada. 284 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,200 They were really into William Burroughs and ideas like control and surveillance. 285 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,320 They actually used quite a lot of guitar, 286 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,440 but it was so heavily processed, it didn't sound like rock 'n' roll guitar. 287 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,560 It sounded more like a synthesiser. 288 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,200 They also put synthesising-type effects 289 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,960 on the voice, which is probably one of the most disturbing things they did. 290 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:39,400 You have a guy singing, but it sounds more like a dalek than a human being. 291 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,840 At night-time, you'd hear distant booming noises with which would 292 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:52,840 probably be something like a drop forge or steam hammer or something. 293 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:04,120 You certainly knew that you were on the edge of heavy industry. 294 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:06,440 Everything in their music is alienated. 295 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:14,080 The music that comes from people who are divorced from natural life, any natural rhythms. 296 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,480 The music for a hostile environment. 297 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:22,840 If I've ever been asked to explain that movement, I always call it the "alienated synthesists". 298 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:30,480 Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire, Joy Division who were up a little bit less obviously synthy... 299 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,720 Everyone...everyone was sort of like that. 300 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,240 We were all going around in long coats from second-hand shops 301 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,040 and saying how terrible things were, with a synth. 302 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,920 Across the Pennines, another pocket of alienated synthesists dreamt 303 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,880 of an electronic future in the spiritual home of British pop music. 304 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,880 MUSIC DROWNS SPEECH 305 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:04,080 We are in Mathew Street in Liverpool, and I am actually standing outside of the door to what used 306 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:10,800 to be Eric's Club, which is where we played our first gig, where we invented OMD to play at this place. 307 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,120 And it was the club where we all used to come. 308 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:17,160 The Bunnymen and the Teardrops played within a month of us playing here as well. 309 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,600 This was the place I saw Devo play their first English concert. 310 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,280 And all of the influential bands that we could get to come to town 311 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,760 played here, apart from Kraftwerk who played the big theatre down the road. 312 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,000 And then literally ten yards away is the Cavern Club. 313 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,200 We've got Eric's and the Cavern right across the road from each other. 314 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,520 When Paul and I started being interested in electronic music, 315 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,320 we were very young. 316 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,520 We had no money. 317 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:50,280 And it was totally unrealistic to think about getting the big kind of keyboards you saw 318 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,880 on TV or on stage with some of the keyboard players in the '70s. 319 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,360 My mother had a Kays mail order catalogue, and they had some synthesisers. 320 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:07,920 Our first Korg Micro-Preset was bought from my mother's catalogue 321 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,680 for 36 weeks at £7.76 a week, I seem to recall. 322 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,200 This was the first synth, and we'd made the first two albums with this. 323 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,640 It's like, it's quite a basic synth. 324 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,440 INTRO TO "ENOLA GAY" 325 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,600 HE LAUGHS Can you believe that's the record?! 326 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,640 # Enola Gay 327 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,720 # You should have stayed at home yesterday 328 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,440 # Oh-oh, words can't describe 329 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,640 # The feeling and the way... # 330 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,200 The major record labels largely ignored synth music, 331 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,960 forcing bands like OMD to look to newly reformed indies instead. 332 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:56,240 In 1978, OMD would sign to Factory. A movement of sorts was beginning to coalesce. 333 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,440 I think the first wave of bands 334 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,720 that sort of came out of the closet in a late '70s... 335 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,160 ..we were all working independently of each other. 336 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,880 There was no unified movement. 337 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,200 It didn't all start in one club or one town. 338 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,000 There was no gang of people who all had a manifesto 339 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,240 that we were going to do the new British electronic music. 340 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,840 It was small pockets of people in different parts of the country 341 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,760 who were independently obviously listening to the same things. 342 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,880 I did make an electronic drum machine, because I'd seen Kraftwerk with their sticks. 343 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,560 So I thought, I can make one of those. And so I did. 344 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:45,560 Some of the early synth drums was this very Heath Robinson-looking box 345 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,520 with all these plates on there with these sticks with wires 346 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,520 that we did the drums to Electricity. 347 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,160 # Our one source of energy 348 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,440 # The ultimate discovery 349 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,880 # Electric blue for me 350 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,520 # Never more to be free... # 351 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,800 We were horrified when Tony Wilson said, "What you do is the future of pop." 352 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:23,520 Pop? We were experimental German influenced. We are not pop at all! 353 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,680 How do you call us pop? We were absolutely mortified. 354 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,880 We couldn't see it at all. 355 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,120 Totally by accident, Paul and I 356 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:39,000 and I guess others at the time had distilled the electronic 357 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:46,520 experimentation and the glam pop of Britain from just a few years and earlier, into what was going to 358 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:52,280 become, which didn't seem at the time, but what was going to become the future of pop music. 359 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:57,160 By the start of 1979, the future of pop music seemed a long way off, 360 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:02,680 as the combined efforts of The Normal, OMD and The Human League had failed to trouble the charts. 361 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,400 But dabbling in synthesisers was becoming increasingly de rigueur. 362 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,560 Even for dyed in the wool punks. 363 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,240 At the other end of the East Lancs Road, another Factory band, 364 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:20,040 who would become one of the greatest electronic acts, were taking their first synthetic steps. 365 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,720 The first synthesiser we had in Joy Division was a little thing called a Transcendent 2000. 366 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,960 I actually built it from a load of components. 367 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,560 At the time I had insomnia, I couldn't sleep very well. 368 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,040 So I used to get this magazine called Electronics Today, 369 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,240 something like that, and in it was this synthesiser. 370 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,160 And if you were to buy one in those days it was incredibly expensive. 371 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,920 And we didn't have any money. So I thought, this is really cheap, it's only 200 quid, 372 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,280 how difficult can it be to build it? 373 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,360 And it was like... Soldering components by hand. 374 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:07,200 It took about two months of doing that. 375 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,440 And then it didn't work incredibly well. 376 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,280 RUDIMENTARY SYNTHESISER NOTES PLAY 377 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:21,760 I remember we went to write a track in the studio called Cargo, in Rochdale. 378 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:27,200 And when we went it, we found a little Woolworths organ 379 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:32,520 that you switched the battery power, switched it on and it blew a fan. 380 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,720 You could play chord buttons on it. So I was messing about with these chord buttons. 381 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,800 And then Martin Hannah I think had brought in a Solina string synth. 382 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,400 What? You can play more than one note at a time on it! 383 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,960 So I got the organ and the synthesiser 384 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:53,800 and hit these chord buttons, and wrote Atmosphere, a Joy Division track. 385 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,960 I seemed to write it there in the studio. 386 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:03,560 # Walk in silence... # 387 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,280 I think we wrote the music 388 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,960 and then Ian wrote the words that night. 389 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,880 Then we recorded the vocals the next day. Which is amazing when I think about it. 390 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,000 # See the danger 391 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,840 # Always danger 392 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,280 # Endless talking 393 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,480 # Life rebuilding 394 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,360 # Don't walk away... # 395 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,200 Whilst it seemed the north had the lead in 396 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,960 post-punk synth pioneers, things were also stirring down south. 397 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,600 John Foxx was the former lead singer of Ultravox. 398 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,120 He worked in Shoreditch in London's then unfashionable East End. 399 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:56,080 SYNTHESISER CHORDS PLAY 400 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,800 SYNTHESISER MELODY PLAYS 401 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,120 These modular synths were the first generation really 402 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,920 of working synthesisers. 403 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:14,360 And then the companies decided to make a cheap version of it because no-one could afford these, 404 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,600 or very few people could afford them. 405 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,000 And they condensed all that down into this. 406 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,120 London seemed almost empty in the '70s. 407 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,640 I used to walk around the streets, newspapers blowing around and great concrete walls. 408 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,080 And everything seemed grittier 409 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,880 and lost somehow, like we'd lost direction. 410 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,480 I'd wonder what that was about. 411 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,240 I wasn't angry about it any more, 412 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,600 as we were supposed to be as punks. 413 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,840 I just wanted to make music for it, the kind of music that I could hear. 414 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,680 # Standing in the dark 415 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,000 # Watching you glow 416 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,840 # Lifting a receiver 417 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,000 # Nobody I know 418 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,360 # Underpass... # 419 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:23,960 Underpass, with the sodium lights and you might be mugged. 420 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,040 Very '70s dystopian. 421 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,400 The spectral city. 422 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,360 # Now it's all gone 423 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,480 # World War something... # 424 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,480 This was the industrial bit of London that had served the docks and done some manufacturing 425 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,200 and both of which have gone. 426 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:51,120 It was like living in a Quatermass movie because I realised and discovered that underneath all of 427 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,120 this area are the plague pits where the bodies 428 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,160 were thrown. 429 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,960 That inevitably leaks into your music. That is why a lot of my music is so dark, I think. 430 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,440 I come from Lancashire and where did I end up? In a place even more sinister. 431 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,040 # Underpass... # 432 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:24,280 Fox's music wasn't the only synthetic portrait of the '70s metropolis. 433 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:29,960 An experimental group of artists, known as Throbbing Gristle, 434 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,480 had been forging their own electronic industrial sounds 435 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,720 in their Death Factory down the road in Hackney. 436 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,920 Grim. It was grim. 437 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:46,440 It was very run-down. The factory was an old trouser factory and it was near London Fields. 438 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,040 In the basement we were level with the plague pits. 439 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,160 That is why it could called the Death Factory. 440 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,080 There was still a lot of antagonism leftover from, 441 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,560 I know it sounds unbelievable, but post war. 442 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:09,040 There were still people there like the park keeper who used to be one of Moseley's brown shirts. 443 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,400 It sounds a cliche now but at the time 444 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:23,080 we were trying to reflect the sounds around us in some weird way. 445 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,560 Our studio was in like an industrial area. 446 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,200 There were different noises going on all the time. 447 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,560 We were trying to reflect all these sounds 448 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:41,360 and the way they all come together in this weird mishmash of electronic experimental textures. 449 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,000 # Hot... # 450 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,400 We felt a kinship with a lot of bands, especially Sheffield bands. 451 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:10,360 Yes, Cabaret Voltaire, those people. But the kinship was the fact that we were all independent. 452 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,200 Chris Carter in Throbbing Gristle was a nut for 453 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,640 Tangerine Dream and that kind of music 454 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,960 so there were hypnotic dreaming electronic Throbbing Gristle tracks 455 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,760 that were pretty in a funny sort of misshapen way. 456 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:33,680 I had the synths and because they were homemade synths, they weren't bought off the shelf, 457 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:39,000 they went Rolands and Korgs, they sounded quite unique anyway. They didn't sound like regular synths. 458 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,760 And then I built this effects unit. 459 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,200 I saw this design in Practical Electronics. You could combine all the effects together 460 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,200 and put a guitar through it or a voice or anything. 461 00:33:54,200 --> 00:34:02,040 I started building these units for Throbbing Gristle and called them Gristlisers. 462 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,040 We were never punk. We are not punk. 463 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,040 We were an industrial experimental music band. 464 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:23,280 Come 1979, British electronic music was still being ignored by mainstream labels. 465 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:29,000 So, Dan Miller, founded Britain's first electronic indie, Mute, 466 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:35,080 to release recordings by kindred spirit, Fad Gadget as well as his own work. 467 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:45,120 I wasn't interested in rock music. I really was only interested in electronic music. 468 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,480 I thought that was the future of where exciting music 469 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,400 was going to come from and I wanted to part of promoting that. 470 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,560 One of Mute's first releases would be strangely prescient. 471 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,000 I came across an old Chuck Berry songbook I had at home and I thought, 472 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,480 "I wonder what that sounds like done on synthesisers?" 473 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,760 # Long-distance information 474 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,120 # Give me Memphis, Tennessee 475 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,920 # Help me find the party 476 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,320 # Tryin' to get in touch with me... # 477 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:23,880 Everybody said, "You've got to release it, it's amazing." I thought, "OK, what shall I do?" 478 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,640 It doesn't fit in under the normal kind of name. 479 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:33,680 And then I thought, what about if there was a group that were all teenagers 480 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,880 and their first choice of instrument was a synthesiser rather than a guitar 481 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,840 because that hadn't happened yet. 482 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,640 John Peel... I had given it to him. I was listening to the radio with a couple of friends. 483 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,800 He said, "We've got three versions of Memphis Tennessee. One is the original, the other two covers." 484 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:57,960 "One is really terrible and the other is really great. I thought, "Oh, God." Fortunately, he liked mine. 485 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,240 Take it away. 486 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:04,960 That was one of the biggest moments of my entire career in music. 487 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,760 That's the end of tonight's programme in which you heard 488 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,320 the Desperate Bicycles, The Slits, The Mekons, Alternative TV, The UK Subs and Sham 69. 489 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,400 More of the same unpleasant racket on tomorrow night's programme. Until then, 490 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,000 from me, John Peel, good night and good riddance. 491 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,120 Getting your record on the Peel show was one thing. 492 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,320 But nobody was ready for what happened next. 493 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,040 What sort of make-up do you put on? You appear very white. 494 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:41,520 It's all natural. It's Max Factor pan stick and it's 28 which is natural, not white make-up. 495 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,080 And then I just powder that with skin tone powder and then just eyeliner. 496 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,520 # It's cold outside 497 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,840 # And the paint's peeling off of my walls 498 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,680 # There's a man outside... # 499 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,920 On 24th May 1979, the future finally arrived. 500 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,640 # In a long coat, grey hat smoking a cigarette... # 501 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,120 He was a punk. He loved sci-fi. 502 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,720 He even read JG Ballard but most impressively, 503 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:15,200 Gary Numan was on Top Of The Pops. 504 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,520 I wish magic was real, you know. 505 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,520 I wish fairies were real and all of that kind of stuff. 506 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,080 I love all that sort of thing. 507 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,600 Probably never grow up, I suppose, from that point of view. 508 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,080 # Now the light fades out... # 509 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,520 The first time he was on Top Of The Pops, 510 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,640 Either she phoned me, or I phoned her, "Are you watching? 511 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,480 "Have you seen this man, he's fantastic." 512 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,280 # There's a knock on the door... # 513 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,680 The look and the sound was so different. 514 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,640 # And just for a second I thought I remembered you... # 515 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,360 Just sort of alien, wasn't it? 516 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,840 I was in a lot of trouble at school. I was sent to a child psychiatrist and things like that 517 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,200 which turned out to be Asperger's. 518 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,280 I felt more comfortable on my own. The classic loner, I suppose. 519 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,240 Didn't go out drinking, didn't go out clubbing too much. 520 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:09,600 # So now I'm alone 521 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,560 # I can think for myself... # 522 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:17,560 I went to a studio to make a punk album, which would have been my first album 523 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,880 and when I got there, 524 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,960 in a corner of the studio, there was a mini Moog. 525 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,520 Luckily, it had been left and the sound, which was a huge big bassy thing and the room shook. 526 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:34,000 I just realised you can press one key and all of this other stuff happens. 527 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:39,800 There was a massive amount of power in them and depth that I had never heard. 528 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,720 I'd never heard of anything like it before. One note. 529 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,880 People like ourselves and Cabaret Voltaire and The Human League, 530 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,840 had all got used to the fact that we existed and there was somebody else sharing our space 531 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:58,040 and then along comes, who, I guess at the time we thought was Johnny come lately. 532 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,760 "Who the hell is this guy from London 533 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:07,400 "who is on telly and having a massive hit record? Never heard of him." 534 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,200 Numan was Britain's first synth pin-up. 535 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,200 Hello, Sarah. Hello, Gary. Hello, Sarah. 536 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,360 My friend Cheryl read in a newspaper 537 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,880 that your mum does your hair. Is this true? 538 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,720 Yes, that's right. She's been doing it since I was about four. 539 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:27,840 All right, thank you. Bye-bye. Did she put the streak in the side as well? Yeah. 540 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,760 I really liked Gary's music. 541 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,320 I think he made the best records at that time. 542 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:40,000 I think, he, if anyone, he really condensed it into a form that was perfect at that point. 543 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:48,520 Numan would immediately show that his number-one success was no fluke. 544 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:54,720 Cars was part eulogy to JG Ballard and part testimony to living in '70s London. 545 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:05,960 I was in my car and a couple of men in a van swerved round me, pulled up in front, 546 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,480 got out and were clearly going to give me a bit of a hammering. 547 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,000 Trying to get me out, kicking the car, screaming and shouting. 548 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,800 # Here in my car 549 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,200 # I feel safest of all 550 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,640 # I can lock all my doors 551 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,480 # It's the only way to live 552 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,960 # In cars... # 553 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,200 I was pretty scared. 554 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:36,080 I locked all my doors and ended up driving up onto the pavement and shot along the pavement 555 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,800 because I couldn't go anywhere. 556 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,480 People obviously leaping out of the way. I was in a bit of a panic. 557 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:55,000 Cars is just about feeling safe in amongst people in a car because no-one can get to you. 558 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,880 You're in your own little bubble. 559 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:57,920 # Here in my car 560 00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,280 # Where the image breaks down 561 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,240 # Will you visit me, please? 562 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,360 # If I open my door, in cars... # 563 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,040 I was gutted when Cars came out. I thought it was really good. 564 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,840 # ..I was starting to think about leaving tonight... # 565 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:18,680 All this time we were convinced, it was just a matter of time before we had a number one record. 566 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:25,360 Part arrogance and part stupidity and then somebody comes out of the blue and does it. 567 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,800 With sales totalling in excess of ten million, Gary Numan was 568 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,200 a new kind of pop star but being at the front of the synth way had inevitable drawbacks. 569 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,760 The Musicians Union tried to ban me for, I think, the first year when I was around 570 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,960 because they said I was putting proper musicians out of work, 571 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,840 although I had to be a member to get on Top Of The Pops. Caused me loads of grief, actually. 572 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,640 The music press were pretty harsh. 573 00:41:53,640 --> 00:42:00,160 It wasn't rock 'n' roll. It wasn't honest, it wasn't working class, it wasn't worthy, it wasn't earthy, 574 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:07,480 it wasn't real, it wasn't sweaty, it wasn't manly. It was pretentious, pseudo intellectual. 575 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:13,360 I am absolutely convinced that Numan's career was shortened by 576 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,800 a nasty, nasty, vitriolic journalism. 577 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,000 But, again, what had there been before me? 578 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,720 It had been punk. 579 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:29,400 The whole anti-hero thing. Not only was I doing electronic music which they wasn't pleased with anyway, 580 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,560 but I'm standing up saying, I want to be a pop star, I love it. 581 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:38,720 All this anti-hero stuff before that, I wasn't anything to do with that. I want to be famous. 582 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,480 I want to be 583 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,800 standing on stages and I don't speak for the people because I don't even know them. 584 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,320 The decade would end with Numan as the unlikely synth-pop hero come good. 585 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,480 What lay around the corner would see the synth transformed from post-punk experimental tool 586 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,760 into THE pop instrument of choice. 587 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:27,920 As the '80s dawned, the future finally arrived and it wasn't going to be alienated. 588 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:35,760 A shift to the right heralded a new era in Britain, an era in which prosperity and material wealth 589 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,720 would be vaunted above all else. 590 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:42,440 There would be no room for experimental dreamers in the me decade. 591 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,920 You were a success or you didn't exist. 592 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,760 # One man on a lonely platform 593 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,960 # One case sitting by his side... # 594 00:43:52,960 --> 00:44:00,960 The big hit of 1980 was Visage whose Fade To Grey followed fast on the heels of Numan's success. 595 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,240 It seemed the future had passed The Human League by. 596 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:09,400 # Ah, ah-h-h-h 597 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,200 # We fade to grey. 598 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,600 # Fade to grey... # 599 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,120 I think there were three number-one hits. 600 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,520 Certainly Dave Stewart and Barbara Gaskin 601 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,920 Gary Numan and the Flying Lizards might have been number one 602 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:29,520 with Money and I stood there, I think we'd done a couple of LPs and I thought, "We've blown it." 603 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:35,520 We now look like the also-rans and everyone has taken the idea and done a lot better than us. 604 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,880 # The best things in life are free 605 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,360 # But you can give them to the birds and bees 606 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,800 # I want money 607 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,320 # Ooh, ooh-ooh 608 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,720 # That's what I want 609 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,040 # Ooh, ooh-ooh 610 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,120 # That's what I want 611 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,680 # Ooh, ooh-ooh 612 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:54,800 # That's what I want... # 613 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,280 I turned up one day to be told I was being thrown out of the group. 614 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,400 And it was a bit like School Of Rock with Jack Black going, 615 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,520 "You can't throw me out of my own group." 616 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,160 We'd released Reproduction and Travelogue and done all this touring. 617 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,520 There was a nagging undercurrent of dissatisfaction from the record company 618 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,800 that they weren't selling as many records as they hoped. 619 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:27,760 I think I'd made a big effort on a photo session and Martin hadn't even turned up. 620 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,120 Suddenly, I was hearing these stories that Martin was never ever 621 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:36,360 going to appear on a stage with me again which I think he only said because that was what Bryan Ferry 622 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:41,360 had said about Eno in legend. 623 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,120 Whilst The Human League were crumbling, something was 624 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,800 brewing in the most unlikely of places. 625 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,640 Basildon was a new town. Built for the post-war East End overspill, 626 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,280 it wasn't one of pop music's more romantic places. 627 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:04,640 But a bunch of kids were going to ditch their guitars and reinvent synth music as pop. 628 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,680 When we were growing up, Basildon was a violent town. 629 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,600 We had the highest crime rate for five years on the trot. 630 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,640 I can remember going back to Basildon 631 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:22,200 and going down to the pub with some friends and I had, you know, black nail varnish. 632 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,400 Going to the bar and ordering a drink. I had forgotten about it 633 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:31,360 wasn't even thinking about it and some guy said to me, "What the fuck have you got on your fingernails?" 634 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,680 Depeche Mode formed in 1980. 635 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,240 They had a spot at their local disco. 636 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,440 Croc's was a really ordinary disco. There was a crocodile, yeah. 637 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,520 It was quite a sorry looking animal but it was alive. 638 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:58,160 They had this night once a week where they'd play things like The Human League and Soft Cell 639 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,400 and also bands would appear there. 640 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,040 # I stand still stepping on the shady streets 641 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,280 # And I watch that man to a stranger 642 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,840 # You think you only know me when you turn on the light 643 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,560 # Now the room is lit with danger 644 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,800 # Complicating, circulating 645 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,800 # New life, new life 646 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,920 # Operating, generating 647 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,080 # New life, new life... # 648 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,040 When I first started playing synthesisers, 649 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,440 it would have been The Human League, 650 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,600 Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark, their very first album. 651 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,560 I was a big fan of Daniel Miller's work as the Silicon Teens and 652 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:44,360 as The Normal and also Fad Gadget who was on Mute records. 653 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:51,360 Vince was sort of the boss of the band. He was unbelievably driven. 654 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,040 # Complicating, circulating New life... # 655 00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,400 He earned £30 a week in the yoghurt factory and save £29.70, a week, 656 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,280 to save up to buy a synth. 657 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:12,000 He forced the pace. This actually was the original Depeche Mode drum machine that we used for Life. 658 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,840 Dave's job before his song was to set the tempo. 659 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,320 Number seven would be fast, number two would be slow etc etc. 660 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:29,280 I owned Autobahn, that was really what got us to go out and buy our first synthesisers, 661 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:34,000 the whole...things that were happening around the time with 662 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,480 Kraftwerk and even early Human League stuff. 663 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,720 # ..New life, new life... # 664 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:42,320 I was really happy that the first time I heard them 665 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,720 was when they played live. 666 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:48,720 They started and I thought, this sounds interesting. 667 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,560 There were four little mono synths teetering on beer crates. 668 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,720 # I'm still stepping on shady streets 669 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,240 # And I watch that man to a stranger... # 670 00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:02,360 They had a fan base with them and their fans weren't watching the band. They wear just dancing. 671 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,960 # ..The moon is lit with danger 672 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,720 # Complicated... # 673 00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:11,440 Miller first saw Depeche Mode supporting Fad Gadget in east London and signed them to Mute. 674 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:18,120 None of us knew what we were doing. By the time I met Depeche we had just released our first album. 675 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,280 Compared to them, I was an experienced industry person but I knew nothing. 676 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,200 You know, they needed a bit of help in the studio 677 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,000 so I introduced them to some ways of working. 678 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,800 using sequencers, they'd never used a sequencer before. 679 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,680 Everything was played by hand. This is the legendary Arp 2600. 680 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,400 I bought it second-hand in 1979. 681 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:46,520 It was being sold, one of three being sold by Elton John's road crew after a world tour. 682 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:52,280 These were used on all the Depeche Mode albums I was involved with 683 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:58,160 especially on the first album where it was really one of only two synths that we used. 684 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,880 You can hear it going out of tune on that note there. 685 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,720 It's not really in tune at all. 686 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:06,720 MUSIC: "Just Can't Get Enough" by Depeche Mode 687 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,640 Depeche Mode would prove to be the real silicon teens. 688 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,960 The combination of sex appeal and synthesisers 689 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,400 would make them one of the biggest pop acts of 1981. 690 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,320 # When I'm with you baby I go out of my head 691 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,000 # And I just can't get enough And I just can't get enough 692 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,720 # All the things you do to me and everything you said 693 00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:33,680 # I just can't get enough I just can't get enough 694 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,840 # We slip and slide as we fall in love 695 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,760 # And I just can't seem to get enough of... # 696 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,280 When Depeche Mode, when we were gigging 697 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,200 we'd all carry our synthesisers 698 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,960 and I, for some reason, 699 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,520 had to buy the heaviest synthesiser out of all of them, you know. 700 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,840 We didn't have cars or anything, we'd be on the train, 701 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,200 and this really is quite heavy. 702 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,920 So I'd have this thing under my arm, Fletcher would have a Moog, 703 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,520 Martin had a Yamaha, I think, on the train. 704 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,720 # I just can't get enough I just can't get enough... # 705 00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:15,320 When we did our first Top Of The Pops we were on the train with these, our synthesisers. 706 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,280 You got the train to Top Of The Pops? Yeah. 707 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,200 From Basildon to Fenchurch Street and then on the underground. 708 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,920 But like Human before, it wouldn't all be plain sailing for Depeche. 709 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,440 I think, you know, you've got to remember that 710 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,240 during our pop period we had lots of fans and a lot of people liked us 711 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:41,520 but there were a lot of people hated us. 712 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,960 Certainly the '80s was a real old battle royal 713 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:53,120 between us and journalism in general, music journalism. 714 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,760 It was just really, you know, pop. 715 00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,960 You know, I think... 716 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:04,400 I can understand why people hated what we did, you know, looking back on it now. 717 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,200 It wasn't just the sound. It was... 718 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:11,240 You know, we were young kids and we just did anything that came along. 719 00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:17,280 You know, every TV that we were asked to do, we did, and it didn't matter how stupid it was. 720 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,920 She said "Do you think he might give me a kiss before the end of the day," 721 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,280 and I said, "Ask him yourself." But if I ask you, you might... 722 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,280 If I turn my back you might just... 723 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,280 Well, you know, there's something very un-British about electronic music 724 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,520 to start with. They want bands to be like they were in the '60s - 725 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,000 four guys, guitar, bass and drums, 726 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,920 pretty lead singer, skinny jeans, 727 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,880 you know, conventional kind of thing. 728 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,440 That's really what sells newspapers, I guess. 729 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,960 # Playing on my radio and saying that you had to go... # 730 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,120 They'd written Depeche Mode off anyway as a teeny-bop band, 731 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,440 a one-hit wonder, especially once Vince left, they thought "Well, that's over." 732 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,720 # New day, turn away Wipe away the tear... # 733 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:06,560 In November '81, Clarke unexpectedly quit. 734 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,800 I was, and still am, a bit of a control freak. 735 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,080 So, with the advent of computers and sequencers 736 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,840 I realised that I could make all of the music myself. 737 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,600 You know, I didn't need necessarily other people to play the parts. 738 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,440 I got a real satisfaction out of programming all of the parts myself. 739 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:38,400 Without their chief songwriter, it seemed the game was up for Depeche Mode before they really got going. 740 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,960 MUSIC: "Don't You Want Me?" by The Human League 741 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,720 In the same year, a reversal of fortune 742 00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:49,320 had seen a new-look Human League finally get in on the pop action, 743 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,280 partly thanks to a line-up change 744 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,680 that took them out of the pages of the NME and put them on the front page of Smash Hits. 745 00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:01,200 # You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar 746 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,080 # When I met you 747 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,840 # I picked you out, I shook you up and turned you around 748 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,920 # Turned you into someone new... # 749 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,960 We got Joanne and Susan simply because we were booked to do a European tour 750 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:21,560 and Martyn and myself became unable to be in the same group and we just thought, 751 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:26,960 "Well, get some nice high vocals, yeah, let's try a girl. 752 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,160 "Let's be a bit different and try a girl." 753 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:35,960 From that the step was that if we were gonna take a girl on the road 754 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,760 with a load of terrible randy idiots like us 755 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,720 there ought to be two of them to look after each other. 756 00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:43,760 Joanne and Susan turned up... 757 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:49,640 I was being sarcastic there, by the way, we were sitting there reading books, really. 758 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,440 # You better change it back or we will both be sorry 759 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,800 # Don't you want me, baby? 760 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,640 # Don't you want me, oh? 761 00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,120 # Don't you want me, baby...? # 762 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:09,080 Oakley spotted the girls dancing in a futurist night club in Sheffield. 763 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,760 Our parents thought, "There's some ulterior motive, 764 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,720 "something's going on." 765 00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:17,760 But then Philip came round and met both sets of parents 766 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,960 and they thought he was a decent enough guy 767 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,240 and then we went to school with our parents and they talked to the head teacher, 768 00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:29,840 who thought that it would be good for our education 769 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,600 to have six weeks going round Europe 770 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,000 because we could go to art galleries and things like that. 771 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,960 # Put your hand in a party wave 772 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,040 # Pass around 773 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,840 # Make a shroud pulling combs through a backwash frame... # 774 00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:51,720 We never went to said art galleries! 775 00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:53,480 We did go to a lot of clubs. 776 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,960 Yeah. We went to Cologne Cathedral, 777 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,520 that was about the most cultural thing we ever did. 778 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,880 # Get around town, get around town 779 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,360 # Where the people look good Where the music is loud 780 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,480 # Get around town No need to stand proud 781 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,480 # Add your voice to the sound of the crowd... # 782 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,920 It also meant that we could appeal to women as well as men. 783 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,280 The early Human League was a very male-based group 784 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,360 and really only lads in long coats liked us. 785 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,560 And some transvestites. 786 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,640 OK, pop music, let's go. 787 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,480 Anyone here like The Human League? 788 00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,520 # The shades from a pencil peer... # 789 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:43,000 Released in 1981, Dare crystallised the new synth-pop sound. 790 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,360 # A fold in an eyelid... # 791 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,680 We did something that could only be done at that stage. 792 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,400 While we were doing it they were bringing the machines in that enabled us to do it. 793 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,480 For instance, the very first Lynn drum I think that arrived in England 794 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:04,600 came into our studio and we took the drums off Sound Of The Crowd and put the Lynn drum on. 795 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,280 Without that, probably, it wouldn't have worked. 796 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:13,040 I remember when Martyn got the Lynn drum 797 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:18,600 and it was like a child at Christmas getting the first fire engine or something. 798 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:24,520 He was jumping up and down and all the boys were, "Oh, it's a drum!" 799 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:29,200 Before that, apparently, the drums had been one of the hardest things to do 800 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:35,240 and now there was this box that was this big and you could program it. 801 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,720 They were all very excited and we were a bit like, "OK, boys." 802 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,280 Now the flood gates were open. 803 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,440 The rush to market swept every aspect of British life in the early '80s. 804 00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,640 Everything was now up for grabs, including pop music. 805 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:57,920 In an attempt to eclipse his ex-bandmates, former Human League member Martyn Ware 806 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,360 would cash in on the times with a concept album. 807 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,280 We were doing the day shifts, they were doing the night shifts in the same studio. 808 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,400 They were making Dare, we were making Penthouse And Pavement. 809 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,400 I've never been so motivated in my life, believe me. 810 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,320 I said, "We're gonna make it stylish, fantastic. 811 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,720 "Finally, the shackles are off, we can start using other instruments 812 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,480 "cos the original manifesto is broken, 813 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,520 "but we're still gonna make it predominantly electronic." 814 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,880 And so the idea was that suddenly we're not a group, 815 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,560 we are ripping open the facade and going, 816 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,640 "No, this is great music, but it's a business." 817 00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,000 It really is a business. It doesn't matter. 818 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,360 Bob Dylan can sing all he wants. 819 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,200 He's busy brown-nosing the A&R men behind the scenes. 820 00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,440 # Now here comes my job 821 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,960 # Credit bleeding with the mob 822 00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,760 # Dreams become ideals... # 823 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,160 But, ironically, and we were totally anti-Thatcher 824 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,240 and always had been, you know, Fascist Groove Thang etc. 825 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:11,320 It got taken on board by the aspirational yuppie culture 826 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,880 in the early '80s as their kind of theme tunes a lot of the time. 827 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,680 Like Let's All Make A Bomb. 828 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,520 They completely missed the point of the song, totally, and it was like, 829 00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,840 "Yeah, mate, remember listening to that, yeah. it's fantastic, mate. 830 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,960 "Love the ponytails." 831 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,080 MUSIC: "Penthouse And Pavement" by Heaven 17 832 00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,800 Not everyone wanted in on booming Britain. 833 00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:38,440 Cabaret Voltaire were neither into ponytails nor popularity. 834 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,240 Their vision of Britain was concerned with the inner city riots 835 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:46,000 that erupted across the country in summer '81. 836 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,560 People say that The Specials' Ghost Town 837 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:56,040 was the soundtrack to the unrest of that year, but a lot of people 838 00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,520 alternatively think that Red Mecca was the sound of that. 839 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,160 I think I've said in the past, 840 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,720 somehow that insurrection on the streets kind of found its way into the music. 841 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,680 You kind of took some heart in the fact 842 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,080 that some people were kicking back against the system, 843 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:24,400 albeit in quite a crude manner, and were prepared to take on the police. 844 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,680 You know, we weren't paranoid, this stuff was slowly happening, you know, 845 01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,760 the rise of surveillance culture, 846 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:43,600 the rise of the right wing in America and the fundamentalist Christians. 847 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,920 Eh, oh la, in the name of Jesus. 848 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,440 Then you've got like the revolution in Iran 849 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,680 with the Shah being deposed 850 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:59,080 and the general feeling that things are moving to the right. 851 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:12,000 Meanwhile, something strangely synthetic was happening in the sleazy underbelly of London's Soho. 852 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,320 MUSIC: "Tainted Love" by Soft Cell 853 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,680 I was going to lots of Northern Soul clubs so I was listening to 854 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,160 kind of Kraftwerk and Northern Soul, 855 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:33,600 which is where things developed from, really, in my head. 856 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,240 HE PLAYS "Tainted Love" 857 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,760 There... I missed it. 858 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,000 If we had the money we'd come to Soho and just hang around Soho, 859 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,720 just getting ideas, which is where the name came from. 860 01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,840 # Sometimes I feel I've got to 861 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,840 # Run away... # 862 01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:01,480 And Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret was a bar back in 1980 or whatever. 863 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:06,280 That's where that photograph's from. We were just kind of fascinated, 864 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,160 being these two northern hicks from the sticks 865 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,800 and suddenly, "Wow, this is amazing." 866 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:16,040 It was kind of glamorous and dangerous. 867 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,200 Lots of neon lights and stuff, which we were fascinated by. 868 01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,760 # Now I run from you 869 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,640 # This tainted love you've given 870 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,280 # I give you all a boy could give you 871 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,720 # Take my tears and that's not nearly all 872 01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,760 # Tainted love Oh, oh, oh, tainted love... # 873 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,480 The first people doing the electro thing 874 01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,080 really caned the alienation, "I am hollow inside" thing, 875 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,840 like Gary Numan, and you get this second wave 876 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:53,520 where you've got the cold, glistening synth sound but the singer's actually very emotional. 877 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,920 Marc Almond's a good example of that, torridly emotional. 878 01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:02,280 # ..Someone to hold you tight And you'll think love is to pray... # 879 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,120 It's like there's a super-passionate singer 880 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,800 and then the one other person, usually a guy with a synthesiser, 881 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,560 and I think they're using the synth more as like 882 01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,920 a miniature or condensed orchestra, 883 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,880 like they can get all the sounds they need out of this one box. 884 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,400 So really it's more like electronic soul music. 885 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,880 # Take my tears and that's not nearly all # 886 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,160 Where Soft Cell led, others would follow. 887 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:30,160 Having left Depeche Mode, Vince Clarke would form his own duo 888 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,600 with a rhythm-and-blues singer, also from Basildon. 889 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,280 Vince I met for the first time 890 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,320 when I was 11. We both went to the same Saturday morning music school. 891 01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,080 It was a council-run thing where 892 01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,160 I believe he was playing violin and I was playing oboe. 893 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:51,480 Even though we'd never spoken in that time I recognised him for the fact that there was three of them, 894 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:56,960 three brothers with this white-blond hair looking like a family of ducks going across the road, you know. 895 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,760 Once I left Depeche I had some songs 896 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,880 which I wanted to demo for the record company. 897 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,720 One of them being Only You. 898 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,160 # Looking from the window above 899 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,320 # It's like a story of love... # 900 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,480 Anyway, I got in touch with Alison cos I vaguely knew her. 901 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:21,040 We didn't have plans to form a band or anything, we had no history together. 902 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,960 We just went from the demo to the recording studio 903 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,040 to making the first record. 904 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,400 # All I needed was the love you gave 905 01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,160 # All I needed for another day 906 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,840 # And all I ever knew 907 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,640 # Only you... # 908 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,920 I wasn't overly interested in technology, 909 01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:47,720 I couldn't even afford a record player or cassette player so the idea of buying hardware... 910 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,080 There's no point in lusting after the things you can't have. 911 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,040 Like me thinking about a mini-skirt. 912 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,520 # Listen to the words that you say 913 01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,360 # It's getting harder to stay 914 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,120 # When I see you... # 915 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,880 Vince Clarke then forms another one of these classic 916 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,520 sort of fire and ice groups. 917 01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,400 The ice is the synth and the fire is Alison Moyet, 918 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,480 so that's almost like a template for 80s pop - 919 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,920 the synthesiser guy, the synthesiser boffin, 920 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,560 and then the super-passionate singer, 921 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,640 usually female or maybe gay male. It's kind of... 922 01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,200 The duo replaces the rock band. 923 01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,880 It's an affront to rockism, isn't it? 924 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,400 Just the look of those bands. 925 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,240 # All I needed was the love you gave... # 926 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,440 When we first started working in Yazoo, 927 01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:51,840 it was like he was effectively suffering from a very recent divorce. 928 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,240 # Only you. # 929 01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,600 It's like these were his childhood mates, Depeche Mode. 930 01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,960 This was a huge thing for him, to go from being a local boy, 931 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,600 like the rest of us, without a great deal of hope, 932 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,080 without many prospects or any qualifications. 933 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:11,440 The last thing I'd heard was he was driving vans for R White's, crashing them and leaving them. 934 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,480 MUSIC: "Don't Go" by Yazoo 935 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:21,840 Yazoo signed to Mute Records in 1982 and to his surprise, 936 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:26,960 Daniel Miller found himself with another wildly successful pop act. 937 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,680 # Came in from the city Walked into the door 938 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,320 # I turned around when I heard the sound of footsteps on the floor 939 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,840 # Love just like addiction Now I'm hooked on you 940 01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,160 # I need some time to get it right Your love's gonna see me through 941 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,920 # Can't stop now, don't you know I ain't ever gonna let you go 942 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,400 # Don't go... # 943 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,360 There was nothing right about it. 944 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:57,520 It was quite soulful music with a very cold, electronic beat. 945 01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:02,680 She didn't fit the typecast female pop-star image at all. 946 01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,440 # Hey, go get the doctor... # 947 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,600 You know, and it's become a cliche now, but at that time, 948 01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,480 the quiet second bloke on synth wasn't a cliche. 949 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,800 # Can't stop now, don't you know 950 01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,520 # I ain't ever gonna let you go 951 01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,480 # Don't go... # 952 01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,960 In the 18 months that we existed, myself and Alison never got to know each other. 953 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:28,520 We never went out to a pub to have a drink 954 01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,760 or did any of that stuff, any socialising. 955 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,960 It was just in the studio, working. 956 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:39,160 To actually come across somebody who was unfathomable, 957 01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:44,320 who you could not penetrate, and at the same time had, 958 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:49,720 regardless of what he says, a burning ambition, he was an ambitious boy. 959 01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:54,400 What was amazing about it is he actually achieved his ambitions, which again, 960 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,960 coming from where I came from, you didn't see that very often. 961 01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:02,600 And I wanted to penetrate him! 962 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,920 Not biblically, obviously. 963 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,440 # I ain't never gonna let you go Don't go... # 964 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,280 I just wanted to be in the studio so much. 965 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:15,120 I would have been in there 24 hours a day. 966 01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:19,040 It was like being in a sweet shop. 967 01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:27,000 Synth-pop was becoming increasingly popular and increasingly grand. 968 01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:33,560 OMD would enjoy three top 10 hits in 1982, 969 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,280 two of which were about Joan of Arc. 970 01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,520 We were quite intellectual, you know. 971 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:43,120 Pompous, stuck up our own arses, I guess you could say. 972 01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,280 We were going on Top Of The Pops 973 01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,840 with Bonnie Langford and Elton John and Cliff Richard amongst others, 974 01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,400 and we were playing a song that was in waltz time, 975 01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,120 that started with 45 seconds of distortion and had no chorus, 976 01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,920 and had a Mellotron playing what sounded like bagpipes. 977 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,560 Explain how it works. Well, actually, it's fairly straightforward. 978 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,720 It's a musical computer. 979 01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,680 The right hand is lead instruments with a choice of 18 different ones, 980 01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:19,680 and the left hand is rhythms in this half and backgrounds in this half. 981 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,320 It's all been fed on to hundreds of tape tracks. 982 01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:27,600 The Mellotron is a very early sampler before samplers went digital. 983 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,120 It was a very analogue thing. 984 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,200 Here's a French accordion with a Viennese waltz. 985 01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,160 It was nightmare to use on stage. 986 01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:42,520 We were playing in this tiny town in the middle of France and the Mellotron was completely out of tune 987 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,920 because all the town were drawing the power down so much cooking, 988 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,480 the motor wouldn't spin fast enough. 989 01:09:49,480 --> 01:09:52,880 Thank you. Well, David isn't a musician, as you know, 990 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:58,400 but I have a professional pianist here who can really show you what the Mellotron can do. 991 01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:03,000 The number of people who thought that the equipment 992 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,240 wrote the song for you... 993 01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,600 "Well, anybody could do it with the same equipment you've got." 994 01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,200 Fuck off. 995 01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:16,680 # If Joan of Arc had a heart 996 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:23,320 # Would she give it as a gift? # 997 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,920 It's all played by hand. 998 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,480 Believe me, if there was a button on a synth or a drum machine 999 01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:32,400 that said, "hit single", I would have pressed it 1000 01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,640 as often as anybody else would have, but there isn't. 1001 01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,880 It was all written by real human beings and it was all played by hand, 1002 01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,480 to the point where Paul and I thought we were gonna get arthritis 1003 01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:47,120 in our fingers from playing bass lines like that for hours on end. 1004 01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,760 MUSIC: "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)" by Eurythmics 1005 01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:54,680 Between 1981 and 1983, synth-pop reigned supreme. 1006 01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:57,520 Our charts were chock full of duos and groups 1007 01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,600 who set aside changing the world 1008 01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,920 in favour of making it with a synth on Top Of The Pops. 1009 01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,800 # Some of them want to use you 1010 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,400 # Some of them want to get used by you 1011 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,920 # Some of them want to abuse you... # 1012 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,040 You've got to remember that it was the first time ever 1013 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,840 that someone could sit and make a record on their own. 1014 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,920 Eurythmics came along 1015 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,080 and they did Sweet Dreams in their basement. 1016 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,560 They recorded it on an eight-track tape machine. 1017 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,120 Annie sang Sweet Dreams into a little Shure microphone, 1018 01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,480 holding it in her hand, and won a Grammy for it. 1019 01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:45,360 MUSIC: "Vienna" by Ultravox 1020 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,400 And in 1982, along came a song 1021 01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,440 that turned the alienation of the original synth pioneers 1022 01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:54,320 into a full-blown epic. 1023 01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:59,200 Ultravox would score one of the biggest synth-pop hits ever, 1024 01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:04,880 called Vienna, which has that total fetishism of Mitteleuropa, Vienna. 1025 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:09,960 It's the Habsburg Empire, the romance of central Europe. 1026 01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,680 # Freezing breath on the window pane 1027 01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,360 # Lying and waiting... # 1028 01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:23,400 The movies we were watching and the music we were listening to at the time all came out of Europe 1029 01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,320 and the history that Europe had, you know, Vienna being 1030 01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,520 this beautifully romantic city, this beautiful place. 1031 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,520 You put all that together and you've got this fantastic image, this wonderful... 1032 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:37,320 I'd never been to Vienna when we wrote the song, I didn't know anything about Vienna. 1033 01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:41,400 # Reaching out in a piercing cry It stays with you until... # 1034 01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,200 You try putting that down, that you're gonna write a song 1035 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,360 that is a four-and-a-half-minute long electronic ballad 1036 01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:50,640 that speeds up in the middle with a viola solo thrown in - 1037 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,000 it doesn't equate, it doesn't work. 1038 01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,760 But at the time when you're young and naive, naivety is a wonderful thing. 1039 01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:02,440 # This means nothing to me 1040 01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:05,960 # Oh, Vienna. # 1041 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,560 Not to be outdone by their English synth-pop derivatives, 1042 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,960 Kraftwerk would return in 1982 1043 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,560 to score their only number one single success, 1044 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:26,480 cashing in with a song that they'd originally recorded in 1978. 1045 01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:30,000 MUSIC: "The Model" by Kraftwerk 1046 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,120 With The Model that was, in England, 1047 01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,080 to be a hit, that was a complete different story. 1048 01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,520 We didn't expect it ourselves. 1049 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:46,760 # She's a model and she's looking good... # 1050 01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:51,400 The reasons was the following - we had already a single to be played 1051 01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,720 on the radio in England and it was Computer World. 1052 01:13:55,720 --> 01:14:00,320 The man of the EMI London house, 1053 01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,960 he didn't know what to put on the B-side. 1054 01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:08,920 And he thought and he thought and he thought, maybe two days longer, 1055 01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:13,880 and suddenly, he had the great idea to put The Model from the last album, 1056 01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,320 Man Machine, on the B-side. 1057 01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:22,400 And then they sent the single to radios, and 80% of the radios played the B-side. 1058 01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,960 # She's going out tonight Loves drinking just champagne... # 1059 01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:37,720 By 1983, Britain had entered an era of conspicuous consumption and greed 1060 01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:42,520 that made the late '70s seem like a foreign country. 1061 01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,600 Loadsamoney! 1062 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:50,600 It would provide inspiration for Depeche Mode's new chief songwriter. 1063 01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,480 # The handshake seals a contract 1064 01:14:56,480 --> 01:15:00,680 # From the contract There's no turning back 1065 01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:05,880 # The turning point of a career... # 1066 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,960 The early '80s were just a terrible time in Britain. 1067 01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,160 And I was young and impressionable, 1068 01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,280 and that was really when I first felt 1069 01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,760 like I was writing from the heart really. 1070 01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:24,600 # The grabbing hands grab all they can 1071 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,400 # All for themselves, after all 1072 01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:32,680 # The grabbing hands grab all they can 1073 01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:36,720 # All for themselves, after all 1074 01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,640 # It's a competitive world... # 1075 01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,560 Around the time of Construction Time Again, 1076 01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,560 samplers had just really come out. 1077 01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,560 We would just... It was a whole revelation to us. 1078 01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:54,640 We were just going out and smashing pieces of metal 1079 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,400 with sledgehammers, raiding the kitchen drawer 1080 01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,240 for all the utensils to make percussion sounds. 1081 01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,600 Just anything we could get our hands on. 1082 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,160 We've got this vague idea at the moment which was used on the demo. 1083 01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:11,040 We've got this pebble, which we got from the mud. 1084 01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,360 Yeah, look, white spots. 1085 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,400 They're the stinging nettles. 1086 01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:20,400 Anyway, the idea is to roll the pebble on this piece of metal along here, 1087 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,640 this window frame, 1088 01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,160 thus causing... 1089 01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,800 thus making this sort of sound. 1090 01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:28,840 RATTLING 1091 01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:35,600 Construction Time Again really started to see us form as the basis 1092 01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,160 of what we are today. 1093 01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:39,360 RATTLING 1094 01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:44,640 That was a lot better. Anyway, the idea is to take that sequence 1095 01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:48,240 and to make an interesting rhythm out of it, 1096 01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:52,160 and to sequence it all through the song, 1097 01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:53,720 so people dance. 1098 01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:03,160 Depeche Mode pioneered their new sampler-based sound in London's Shoreditch. 1099 01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:07,160 In those days, Shoreditch, there was not a soul around. 1100 01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,480 Now, of course, with Hoxton etc etc, 1101 01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:11,200 it is the trendy place to be, 1102 01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,280 but it wasn't when we were at the Garden Studios. 1103 01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,760 There was not a soul to be seen. 1104 01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:22,120 # Get out the crane Construction time again 1105 01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:25,760 # What is it this time... # 1106 01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,600 I remember, there was one sound in particular 1107 01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,920 that was us actually hitting a piece of corrugated iron 1108 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,160 that was the side of a building site, 1109 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,040 and the sample sort of went like... 1110 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:41,600 "Krr! Oi!", and that was the site foreman. 1111 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,600 # It's a lot It's a lot 1112 01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:44,960 # It's a lot It's a lot 1113 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,640 # It's a lot It's a lot... # 1114 01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:53,320 We seemed, in the '80s, to be doing a one-band crusade for electronic music 1115 01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:58,680 against the music press, that was overwhelmingly rock-based. 1116 01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:04,880 We would often do interviews with journalists and we'd have 1117 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,920 a big argument, because they just didn't consider 1118 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,080 electronic music to be real music. 1119 01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,600 # There's a new game we like to play, you see 1120 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,720 # The game with added reality 1121 01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:24,520 # You treat me like a dog Get me down on my knees 1122 01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,800 # We call it master and servant... # 1123 01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:34,000 You know, we got accused at certain times of being like a very subversive pop band, and I do think that we did 1124 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:40,200 get away with some stuff that was probably risque for the radio, just because we used it in a pop context. 1125 01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:46,360 # With you on top and me underneath... # 1126 01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:50,280 In our early career, there was things like Master And Servant and stuff. 1127 01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,960 # Let's play master and servant 1128 01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,680 # Let's play master and servant... # 1129 01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:00,560 Some of the reviews were unbelievably vicious. 1130 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,080 You just couldn't... Real hatred for the band. 1131 01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,080 Real hatred. I don't know why. It wasn't British, really. 1132 01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,360 A journalist once said, 1133 01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:16,000 "The music will appeal to alienated youth everywhere, and Germans." 1134 01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:26,680 Depeche Mode would eventually find a sympathetic home for their music in America. 1135 01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,000 For a lot of Americans, England just means gay. 1136 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:41,880 They think it's like a conflation of Oscar Wilde and various ideas about British boarding school. 1137 01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:46,640 For people who feel different, or misfits in America, 1138 01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,640 England does actually seem like this utopia. 1139 01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:54,520 They imagine everyone in England walks around wearing eyeliner and plays synthesisers, you know? 1140 01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,840 To be a Depeche Mode fan was actually a quite was actually quite a dissident thing. 1141 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:09,920 Depeche Mode were the only act who were truly successful in exporting the British electronic sound. 1142 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:14,960 The band would enjoy massive popularity in America throughout the '80s and beyond. 1143 01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:19,120 Consistently filling stadiums across the land. 1144 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:20,920 Back in Britain, in '83, 1145 01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:25,560 the sampler was moving synth-pop in a different direction. 1146 01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:30,600 Suppose I want to send my loved one a rather special musical greeting, well I can. 1147 01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:35,240 First, let me give the computer an idea of the sound that I actually want to send. 1148 01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,200 So, I'll prime it again. 1149 01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,400 And now I'll speak into the mic. Hello! 1150 01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:50,880 And we have to wait a couple of seconds now for the sound wave to come up. There it is. 1151 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:56,240 SAMPLER: # Hello, hello, hello Hello, hello, hello. # 1152 01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:57,560 Hello, dear. 1153 01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:01,960 When we arrived in it, the Emulator had just been invented. 1154 01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:07,200 It was completely riveting, because it had James Brown going, "Please!" 1155 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,160 You played up and down the keyboard. 1156 01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,120 Had a string quartet or an orchestra. 1157 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,360 It had a famous Beethoven "Rumph, rumph." 1158 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:17,760 # West End girl... # 1159 01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,840 The first record we made, West End Girl, 1160 01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,000 every sound was actually a sample played on the same keyboard 1161 01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,800 which looked just like a Bontempi chord organ. 1162 01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:34,240 The idea was to take real life and put it against beautiful or dance or both music. 1163 01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:38,840 Because we were the last of the thing that started with The Human League, 1164 01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:44,240 and we were probably the first of the thing where pop music was raised to dance music. 1165 01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,200 # In a West End town a dead end world 1166 01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,040 # The East End boys and West End girls 1167 01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,840 # Oh, in a West End town a dead end world 1168 01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,080 # East End boys West End girls... # 1169 01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:06,080 The Pet Shop Boys gave us a glimpse of what the future held for British electronic music. 1170 01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,720 But the band that would truly spearhead the shift from synth-pop 1171 01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:14,240 to dance music had evolved out of the ashes of Joy Division. 1172 01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:20,680 Whilst in America, New Order would have a synthetic epiphany. 1173 01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,160 Kind of at the period where Ian had died 1174 01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,320 and we were going recording in New York. 1175 01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:34,360 We were spending a lot of time in New York and I was going 1176 01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,080 to night clubs after the studio. 1177 01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:38,800 Every night. 1178 01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:44,120 I remember sitting there on these kind of steps in a club and thinking, 1179 01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,400 "Wouldn't it be great if one day, 1180 01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,320 "our music was played in a place like this." 1181 01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,720 That sort of planted a seed in my head, really, 1182 01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:58,280 that got me interested in more in synthesisers. 1183 01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:03,480 You know, if you play an encore or something, you know, 1184 01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:06,640 it's like, you're just falling into the trap, you know, 1185 01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,920 it's a phoney thing doing an encore, everyone expects it. 1186 01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,640 "Ooh, let's get these machines to do a track and we'll just go on 1187 01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,320 "as if we're doing an encore, press a button and then bugger off." 1188 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:19,360 That was the idea. 1189 01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,120 When Blue Monday came out, a lot of people didn't like it. 1190 01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,560 They went, "What, what... 1191 01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,720 "it doesn't sound like New Order, what are you doing? 1192 01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,680 "It doesn't sound like you're supposed to sound." 1193 01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,720 A lot of people were like, "I don't like that." Then, it just took off. 1194 01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,560 # How does it feel? 1195 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,280 # To treat me like you do? 1196 01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,920 # When you laid your hands upon me 1197 01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,000 # And told me who you are... # 1198 01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,160 I guess, people went on holidays 1199 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:07,240 and they hear it in night clubs in Spain and Greece and stuff, 1200 01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,360 and when they came back, 1201 01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,080 they would buy it'd be a big hit over and over again. 1202 01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:21,080 Blue Monday's inscrutable club cool would make it become the biggest-selling 12-inch of all time, 1203 01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:26,480 originally released in 1983, it heralded the future for British electronica. 1204 01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:31,200 A new age of dance music, unconcerned with pop charts and commercial appeal, 1205 01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:35,280 would gain a massive following that thrives to this day. 1206 01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:44,160 For those electronic pioneers who had brought the synth into British pop music, it was the end of an era. 1207 01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,960 It sort of starts, I guess, round about '83. 1208 01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,440 It was just overdone. It was saturated. 1209 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:51,760 There was too much synth-pop around. 1210 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,120 # This is the sound of all of our friends... # 1211 01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:59,280 It's on a synth, but the melodies and the way the songs 1212 01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:03,000 were structured were really pretty traditional and quite trite. 1213 01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,680 It wasn't that inventive as electronic music. 1214 01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:10,120 # Somebody's got their eye on me 1215 01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,880 # Perhaps I should invite him up for tea... # 1216 01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:18,400 Towards the middle of the '80s, there wasn't so much encouragement 1217 01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,640 from the record companies to do more experimental stuff. 1218 01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:27,440 I meant that initial supernova of post-punk, it was dying away. 1219 01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:29,720 And slowly but surely, 1220 01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,640 the cancerous growth of market-led A&R-ing 1221 01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,720 started invidiously creeping up 1222 01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:41,840 and blandifying and homogenising the musical market, in my view. 1223 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,960 We were a bit lost by then. 1224 01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,800 It was all a bit... We felt we'd achieved it. 1225 01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:51,360 We thought we'd proved our point, and it just looked like 1226 01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,360 we didn't have anything left to prove. 1227 01:25:56,080 --> 01:26:02,120 The commodification of synth-pop marked the end of a golden era in which a generation of post-punk 1228 01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:08,640 musicians had taken the synth from the fringes of experimentation to the centre of the pop stage. 1229 01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:14,600 Out of the '70s and into the '80s. 1230 01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:24,360 At the time, it was just really, really exciting, and it was exciting to be a part of a musical movement 1231 01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:27,400 that had never been done before, that was different. 1232 01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,160 It wasn't a rehash of anything. 1233 01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:37,760 Those early electronic records, they'd ever been done before, so, it was a fine time. 1234 01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:41,320 # I only knew you for a while... # 1235 01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:46,160 We were trying to do something new. That's specifically why we chose electronics 1236 01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:50,640 and embraced every new piece of equipment we could get our hands on or afford. 1237 01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:54,560 We wanted to sweep away all of the old rock cliches and stereotypes 1238 01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,840 and the lead guitar solos and long hair and everything. 1239 01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:01,760 And then what happens towards the end of the '80s and even worse in the mid '90s, 1240 01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:06,600 everybody decides that guitars are back in, synthesisers are somehow old-fashioned, 1241 01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,560 and you get Oasis! Horror! 1242 01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,560 # We'll always be together 1243 01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,560 # However far it seems 1244 01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,200 # Love never ends 1245 01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,960 # We'll always be together 1246 01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:27,320 # Together in electric dreams 1247 01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,960 # Because the friendship that you gave 1248 01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,120 # Has taught me to be brave 1249 01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:44,560 # No matter where I go 1250 01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,960 # I'll never find a better prize... # 115246

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