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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,843 --> 00:00:12,697 What's crazy about the whole thing is seeing the hitman 2 00:00:12,721 --> 00:00:13,930 out on the street. 3 00:00:14,014 --> 00:00:17,267 That makes no logical fucking sense. 4 00:00:17,350 --> 00:00:21,354 You're gonna let a guy free that supposedly was gonna go kill a lady. 5 00:00:22,188 --> 00:00:23,648 And he's free on the street. 6 00:00:24,441 --> 00:00:26,985 'Cause he was never really a hitman. 7 00:00:27,068 --> 00:00:30,864 Kinda hard to put a hitman in prison when it's just all made-up bullshit. 8 00:00:31,740 --> 00:00:35,035 I do not think Joe deserves 22 fucking years. 9 00:00:35,785 --> 00:00:37,287 He got a raw deal. 10 00:00:37,370 --> 00:00:40,540 But what I understand, the government's been wanting his ass for years. 11 00:00:41,124 --> 00:00:44,878 Jeff made sure my story fit to what they needed. 12 00:00:46,004 --> 00:00:49,174 And that was their plan, was for him to lie for Jeff 13 00:00:49,257 --> 00:00:51,676 so they could set me up and take the zoo. 14 00:00:53,511 --> 00:00:57,057 It only cost Jeff 3,000 fucking dollars to get rid of Joe. 15 00:00:59,267 --> 00:01:04,606 Jeff called and said, "Let's send Allen back to South Carolina." 16 00:01:05,648 --> 00:01:09,069 "Give him $3,000 and get him the hell out of your hair." 17 00:01:09,986 --> 00:01:13,239 But for their story, it was to go to Florida and kill Carole. 18 00:01:13,323 --> 00:01:14,824 See, that's all bullshit. 19 00:01:15,450 --> 00:01:18,161 Without that money, there's no case for the murder for hire. 20 00:01:18,244 --> 00:01:20,330 So I think that whole thing was a setup. 21 00:01:21,498 --> 00:01:23,750 Jeff said, "Allen, no matter what the fuck you do, 22 00:01:23,833 --> 00:01:25,502 please don't put me in this." 23 00:01:25,585 --> 00:01:29,672 If I would just take the bullet, he would make sure I was taken care of. 24 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:32,717 What Allen has admitted to 25 00:01:32,801 --> 00:01:37,055 is that the case against Joe is based upon perjury, 26 00:01:37,597 --> 00:01:41,643 because Jeff was telling him what to say and what to do. 27 00:01:43,103 --> 00:01:46,397 That warrants a new trial. That is in the interest of justice. 28 00:01:47,232 --> 00:01:48,608 Based on what? 29 00:01:48,691 --> 00:01:53,071 You know, Allen is a drunk who got arrested at a strip club for DUI. 30 00:01:53,154 --> 00:01:54,739 He's trying to turn on us, 31 00:01:55,448 --> 00:01:58,159 but he's too stupid to get his story straight. 32 00:01:59,077 --> 00:02:01,472 Let me ask you something. On a scale of one to ten, 33 00:02:01,496 --> 00:02:04,874 one being you're stone-cold sober, you're ready to go to church, 34 00:02:04,958 --> 00:02:07,460 and ten being you'd be drunk and passed out in a ditch, 35 00:02:07,544 --> 00:02:08,878 where would you put yourself? 36 00:02:09,379 --> 00:02:10,463 One to ten? 37 00:02:10,547 --> 00:02:11,547 Yeah. 38 00:02:12,048 --> 00:02:12,882 I'm good. 39 00:02:12,966 --> 00:02:14,801 Well, that's not part of the scale. 40 00:02:14,884 --> 00:02:18,304 And I'm gonna hire a $3,000 crackhead to kill her? 41 00:02:19,556 --> 00:02:21,224 Where does that make sense? 42 00:02:21,307 --> 00:02:23,893 You know, if the evidence is out there, go ahead and present it. 43 00:02:25,145 --> 00:02:27,814 Jeff Lowe's in more trouble than he knows what to do with. 44 00:02:28,314 --> 00:02:30,191 And I'm not gonna shut up, 45 00:02:30,275 --> 00:02:33,278 and I'm not gonna stop until people see the truth. 46 00:02:46,708 --> 00:02:50,336 I understand that you, at one time, were affiliated 47 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:52,922 with the Greater Wynnewood Zoo. Is that correct? 48 00:02:53,006 --> 00:02:54,549 I was employed. Yes. 49 00:02:54,632 --> 00:02:57,760 Okay. And who owns Greater Wynnewood Zoo? 50 00:02:57,844 --> 00:02:58,844 Jeff Lowe. 51 00:02:59,262 --> 00:03:02,807 So what's the nature of the dispute between you and Mr. Lowe? 52 00:03:08,062 --> 00:03:09,063 Very personal. 53 00:03:13,693 --> 00:03:16,253 I've been in jail for two and a half years. 54 00:03:16,279 --> 00:03:17,363 These people in here? 55 00:03:17,447 --> 00:03:20,325 At least they have honor because they're real crooks. 56 00:03:20,408 --> 00:03:21,701 Jeff's a piece of shit 57 00:03:21,784 --> 00:03:24,329 that sucks off of people that are vulnerable. 58 00:03:25,163 --> 00:03:28,458 Stealing my zoo wasn't enough. They had to take my freedom. 59 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:33,004 They had to concoct all this bullshit and get me thrown in jail. 60 00:03:44,724 --> 00:03:46,604 Come on. Come on, girl. 61 00:03:51,689 --> 00:03:52,689 No. Come. 62 00:03:53,024 --> 00:03:56,110 Jeff Lowe is opportunist and goes after people who are in trouble. 63 00:03:56,194 --> 00:03:58,988 He promises them probably heaven on earth, 64 00:03:59,072 --> 00:04:01,157 and then he fucks them over without lubrication 65 00:04:01,241 --> 00:04:02,825 from behind with a wire brush. 66 00:04:03,993 --> 00:04:05,036 Hi. 67 00:04:05,119 --> 00:04:06,329 Hi, guys. 68 00:04:07,830 --> 00:04:09,999 She's jealous. 69 00:04:12,543 --> 00:04:14,462 Well, Jeff Lowe came to Nevada, 70 00:04:14,545 --> 00:04:17,298 and we were actually butchering horse that day. 71 00:04:18,675 --> 00:04:20,677 Hey, Bam-Bam! Here's your yum-yum. 72 00:04:22,303 --> 00:04:25,473 And the people who gave us the horse kept asking us, 73 00:04:25,556 --> 00:04:28,935 "Oh, was it you at McDonald's with baby tiger?" 74 00:04:29,018 --> 00:04:32,689 And I'm like, "What baby tiger and what McDonald's? What's going on?" 75 00:04:32,772 --> 00:04:34,899 He goes through the drive-thru. 76 00:04:34,983 --> 00:04:37,652 The cub's not even in a transport cage. 77 00:04:38,319 --> 00:04:42,115 It seems like he never did it correctly with exotic animals. 78 00:04:42,198 --> 00:04:45,660 That's my opinion, of course, but I am rarely wrong. 79 00:04:45,743 --> 00:04:48,204 I am Eastern European bitch, so I cannot be wrong. 80 00:04:52,750 --> 00:04:55,878 Was Joe Exotic really trying to kill Baskin, 81 00:04:55,962 --> 00:04:58,673 or was he set up to make it look like 82 00:04:58,756 --> 00:05:00,717 he really wanted to kill her? 83 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,468 Because Joe was talking about it, 84 00:05:02,552 --> 00:05:05,388 but it was kind of like just for the entertainment. 85 00:05:05,471 --> 00:05:07,765 "Oh, I want that person dead. I wish you were dead." 86 00:05:07,849 --> 00:05:08,683 Good afternoon. 87 00:05:08,766 --> 00:05:11,006 All these years and Jeff Lowe wasn't in picture. 88 00:05:11,561 --> 00:05:13,938 Joe didn't hurt anybody. 89 00:05:14,022 --> 00:05:17,025 All of a sudden, Jeff Lowe is in picture and there are two hitmen. 90 00:05:17,108 --> 00:05:19,027 I mean, what is going on? 91 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:25,158 Joe's argument that we conned him or scammed him out of the zoo... 92 00:05:25,241 --> 00:05:27,410 For what? What did I gain, you know? 93 00:05:27,493 --> 00:05:29,412 I gained a huge liability, 94 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:31,706 personally and financially. 95 00:05:32,749 --> 00:05:34,751 There's nothing to gain in owning a zoo. 96 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:37,420 A few years ago, 97 00:05:37,503 --> 00:05:40,757 Carole Baskin won one million judgment against Joe Exotic, 98 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:44,135 so if Joe Exotic puts the assets in other people's names, 99 00:05:44,802 --> 00:05:47,930 then Carole Baskin cannot collect on her one million judgment. 100 00:05:48,014 --> 00:05:50,808 That was the plan, but it didn't work. 101 00:05:50,892 --> 00:05:53,061 We didn't steal the zoo. Joe dumped it on us. 102 00:05:53,144 --> 00:05:57,815 What he did was illegal transfer of assets to hide it from Carole to begin with. 103 00:05:58,483 --> 00:06:01,152 And then it just became more and more apparent 104 00:06:01,235 --> 00:06:03,571 that Carole was gonna pursue the property. 105 00:06:03,654 --> 00:06:07,450 The lawsuit that caused Joe to be so angry with me 106 00:06:07,533 --> 00:06:09,786 has been pending since 2011. 107 00:06:09,869 --> 00:06:14,874 We are still pursuing that judgment against Joe and now Jeff Lowe. 108 00:06:16,501 --> 00:06:19,379 Now, she has the one million judgment against Jeff Lowe. 109 00:06:19,879 --> 00:06:22,715 I don't think there's a state that Jeff Lowe's gone to that he hasn't 110 00:06:22,799 --> 00:06:25,385 gotten sued in or gotten thrown in jail. 111 00:06:25,468 --> 00:06:29,430 Bad luck has followed him from Lansing, Michigan to South Carolina, 112 00:06:29,514 --> 00:06:32,100 to Colorado, to Wynnewood, Oklahoma. 113 00:06:32,183 --> 00:06:34,811 He's just been like a black cloud of controversy. 114 00:06:37,522 --> 00:06:39,899 Man, I wish I'd never met the guy. 115 00:06:41,317 --> 00:06:46,656 I've owned a drive-in movie theater in Beaufort, South Carolina for 15 years. 116 00:06:47,740 --> 00:06:51,077 Jeff Lowe bought the building that was next to the drive-in 117 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,996 to have his liquidation store in 118 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,332 and also a flea market on the outside. 119 00:06:57,333 --> 00:07:00,461 He was supposed to have a TV show that they were working on. 120 00:07:01,671 --> 00:07:02,755 Oh, my God! 121 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,299 I'm Jeff Lowe, and I'm a liquidator. 122 00:07:07,093 --> 00:07:09,303 Liquidation is the business of buying and selling 123 00:07:09,387 --> 00:07:11,222 what America returns to the stores. 124 00:07:12,014 --> 00:07:13,974 He was buying semis of shit, 125 00:07:14,016 --> 00:07:17,270 and he had me convinced that he had 15 liquidation stores. 126 00:07:17,353 --> 00:07:18,354 Yee-haw! 127 00:07:19,105 --> 00:07:21,858 But the TV show, the whole thing went nowhere. 128 00:07:22,442 --> 00:07:23,860 He's a good bullshitter. 129 00:07:23,943 --> 00:07:25,153 Don't forget about me. 130 00:07:25,236 --> 00:07:28,114 I bought a $24,000 load of broken toasters from him. 131 00:07:29,574 --> 00:07:32,326 He would tell me how well he did in the liquidation industry. 132 00:07:32,410 --> 00:07:33,494 So I tried it out. 133 00:07:33,995 --> 00:07:37,081 This load shows up at my house. I open the semi doors, 134 00:07:37,165 --> 00:07:39,750 48-53 foot of just toasters. 135 00:07:39,834 --> 00:07:42,712 I pull them out, and I'm like, "These boxes sure look damaged." 136 00:07:42,795 --> 00:07:45,006 My customers would take them home, 137 00:07:45,089 --> 00:07:45,923 plug them in, 138 00:07:46,007 --> 00:07:49,427 and the motherfuckers would catch on fire. The toasters would catch on fire. 139 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:51,304 Tough shit. 140 00:07:51,387 --> 00:07:54,807 Don't beg me to help you get into the liquidation business 141 00:07:54,891 --> 00:07:58,269 and then bitch and moan when you buy liquidated merchandise. 142 00:08:00,104 --> 00:08:04,025 I have a pretty clear picture of who Jeff Lowe is based on my reporting. 143 00:08:05,234 --> 00:08:08,029 In the years that I've been following him, 144 00:08:08,112 --> 00:08:12,909 the charity fraud might be one of the darker, sadder moments 145 00:08:12,992 --> 00:08:15,036 in Jeff Lowe's criminal history. 146 00:08:15,578 --> 00:08:18,956 The charity was called CODA, Citizens Opposed to Domestic Abuse. 147 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,210 It's a battered women's shelter in South Carolina. 148 00:08:22,293 --> 00:08:24,420 Jeff Lowe posed as an employee, 149 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:28,966 and he was able to divert millions of dollars in donated goods 150 00:08:29,050 --> 00:08:32,261 and then sell them through his liquidation business 151 00:08:32,345 --> 00:08:34,055 to turn a profit for himself. 152 00:08:35,223 --> 00:08:38,476 Fourteen-million dollars of donated stuff 153 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,144 that he turned around and sold. 154 00:08:40,228 --> 00:08:42,313 It was an ungodly amount. 155 00:08:42,396 --> 00:08:45,274 The money did not go to the victims of domestic abuse. 156 00:08:45,358 --> 00:08:47,610 It went into Jeff Lowe's pocket. 157 00:08:47,693 --> 00:08:49,493 The feds were watching my bank account. 158 00:08:49,529 --> 00:08:51,739 They wanna charge me with five counts of wire fraud. 159 00:08:53,407 --> 00:08:58,579 That may not sound like a big crime, but it comes with a big penalty. 160 00:08:58,663 --> 00:09:02,708 It's a felony charge and it can lead to up to 20 years in prison. 161 00:09:04,168 --> 00:09:07,380 And he doesn't spend a day in jail. Go figure. 162 00:09:07,463 --> 00:09:12,093 The story he told me was he was sentenced to a halfway house, 163 00:09:12,176 --> 00:09:13,886 and then he blackmailed them. 164 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:18,224 He sold the people that were working in the halfway house 165 00:09:18,307 --> 00:09:22,019 stolen watches, and TVs, and stuff like that, 166 00:09:22,103 --> 00:09:24,522 and got released from the halfway house 167 00:09:24,605 --> 00:09:27,024 because he got everybody in trouble. 168 00:09:28,568 --> 00:09:29,819 Jeff's a scam artist. 169 00:09:35,074 --> 00:09:37,994 With this felony, he never even had to pay restitution. 170 00:09:38,077 --> 00:09:39,996 He didn't have to pay that money back. 171 00:09:40,788 --> 00:09:46,294 So Jeff has a history of thinking that he can get away with things 172 00:09:46,377 --> 00:09:48,170 and unfortunately being right. 173 00:09:52,133 --> 00:09:53,634 How do I relieve stress? 174 00:09:53,718 --> 00:09:56,596 I picture that fucking golf ball as a midget Jeff Lowe. 175 00:09:57,972 --> 00:10:00,933 Hey, Jeff, ready to go for a flight, motherfucker? 176 00:10:01,017 --> 00:10:03,102 It's not hard to picture the golf ball as Jeff Lowe. 177 00:10:03,185 --> 00:10:04,478 It's about the same damn height. 178 00:10:04,562 --> 00:10:06,230 Here you go, cocksucker! 179 00:10:06,314 --> 00:10:08,149 You little fucking dick! 180 00:10:08,232 --> 00:10:09,358 You stupid cunt! 181 00:10:10,484 --> 00:10:12,324 Fuck, I need a little bandana and a little hat, 182 00:10:12,403 --> 00:10:14,196 so I can put it on the little son of a bitch. 183 00:10:14,780 --> 00:10:15,781 You ready, Jeff? 184 00:10:18,784 --> 00:10:20,995 I think I hit him farther than Carole. 185 00:10:21,078 --> 00:10:22,078 Fuck. 186 00:10:23,372 --> 00:10:25,916 Tim Stark and Joe Exotic, 187 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:29,503 they would be like two peas in a pod 188 00:10:29,587 --> 00:10:31,422 when it comes to batshit crazy. 189 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:38,804 Hi, pretty birdie. 190 00:10:40,806 --> 00:10:42,933 Good bird. You gonna go up there and sit down? 191 00:10:43,017 --> 00:10:47,021 I joke around in my shows and tell people, "My name's Tim Stark. I am a drug addict." 192 00:10:47,605 --> 00:10:50,941 My choice of drugs is animals. I get high every fucking day and love it. 193 00:10:51,525 --> 00:10:52,902 And I love that high I get. 194 00:10:52,985 --> 00:10:55,655 You want a grape? Good bird. Down the hatch. 195 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:58,115 Take her down. You want one? 196 00:10:58,199 --> 00:11:00,409 Oh, shut up. 197 00:11:00,493 --> 00:11:04,955 Tim Stark is one of the most cruel animal exploiters. 198 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,607 If you talk to anyone that volunteer or are on staff, 199 00:11:13,631 --> 00:11:17,093 if they don't admit that they were naive, then they're still fooling themselves. 200 00:11:17,176 --> 00:11:19,220 I would always say, "Tiger drunk." 201 00:11:19,303 --> 00:11:22,306 The customers coming out there, I'm like, "They're tiger drunk." 202 00:11:22,390 --> 00:11:25,893 But it was the volunteers and the staff that were tiger drunk. 203 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:29,230 - Hi, Mother. - Hi. 204 00:11:30,272 --> 00:11:32,191 I didn't bring you anything to drink. 205 00:11:32,274 --> 00:11:34,860 I didn't know where you were or where you'd be. 206 00:11:34,944 --> 00:11:35,944 Go, Joey. 207 00:11:37,113 --> 00:11:38,239 That's my mommy. 208 00:11:40,908 --> 00:11:43,160 His wife Melissa worked, like, three jobs 209 00:11:43,244 --> 00:11:45,329 in order to feed the animals that they had. 210 00:11:45,413 --> 00:11:50,626 And finally, he found a way to take care of those animals, and I'm gonna cry. 211 00:11:54,171 --> 00:11:56,674 He came up with Tiger Baby Playtime. 212 00:11:57,675 --> 00:12:00,136 Other people didn't like what he was doing, 213 00:12:00,219 --> 00:12:02,221 so they tried to put a stop to it. 214 00:12:02,304 --> 00:12:05,433 Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce Tim Stark, 215 00:12:05,516 --> 00:12:07,935 the president and founder of Wildlife in Need! 216 00:12:08,936 --> 00:12:11,772 What brought me into Wildlife in Need 217 00:12:11,856 --> 00:12:13,524 was the show that Tim put on. 218 00:12:13,607 --> 00:12:14,984 That's what got me hooked. 219 00:12:15,067 --> 00:12:17,403 It gave him a platform for his voice, 220 00:12:17,486 --> 00:12:20,948 the glory that he got over the Tiger Baby Playtime. 221 00:12:21,031 --> 00:12:22,450 I'll show the difference... 222 00:12:22,533 --> 00:12:24,910 Early on when I was volunteering, 223 00:12:24,994 --> 00:12:29,540 I was like, "How can a place that brings so much joy and so much happiness, 224 00:12:29,623 --> 00:12:32,293 so many smiles to people's faces, be bad?" 225 00:12:32,376 --> 00:12:35,171 I've never... 226 00:12:35,254 --> 00:12:39,258 Tim did something different. He would just thrust a number of animals 227 00:12:39,341 --> 00:12:43,429 out into the crowd, let people do whatever they wanted. 228 00:12:43,512 --> 00:12:46,432 As you can see, a pissed-off tiger. 229 00:12:46,515 --> 00:12:49,185 It don't take them no time to get pissed off. 230 00:12:49,268 --> 00:12:50,770 Wanna see a pissed-off tiger? 231 00:12:50,853 --> 00:12:53,189 Show 'em what pissed off looks like. 232 00:12:53,272 --> 00:12:55,065 Show 'em. 233 00:12:55,149 --> 00:12:58,444 The one thing you wanna learn if you're the idiot standing in a room 234 00:12:58,527 --> 00:12:59,987 holding a pissed-off tiger, 235 00:13:00,070 --> 00:13:01,947 you always wanna hand it to somebody else. 236 00:13:04,158 --> 00:13:06,285 Porta-potty's out there if you need to wipe. 237 00:13:07,328 --> 00:13:12,458 We see a pattern among all of these guys in this animal exploitation business. 238 00:13:12,541 --> 00:13:16,587 We saw it with Joe, we see it with Tim, and we see it with Jeff, 239 00:13:17,087 --> 00:13:20,674 where they don't wanna take responsibility for their own actions, 240 00:13:20,758 --> 00:13:23,803 so we need to focus on shutting them down. 241 00:13:24,470 --> 00:13:27,973 All of these backyard breeders that were so close to Joe, 242 00:13:28,057 --> 00:13:31,727 he knows about the inner workings of their facilities. 243 00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:36,232 He knows where the smoking guns are. He could participate with the government 244 00:13:36,315 --> 00:13:41,654 and bring down this entire ring of people who are exploiting big cats. 245 00:13:43,614 --> 00:13:46,534 There's so much to be exposed about this whole industry. 246 00:13:48,035 --> 00:13:50,788 I can't wait till they arrest every one of them. 247 00:13:51,580 --> 00:13:53,833 I was able to work with Joe, 248 00:13:53,916 --> 00:13:59,672 and it looks like both Tim Stark and Jeff Lowe are going to go down. 249 00:14:00,339 --> 00:14:03,217 You know, where was Tim when I was going through a trial? 250 00:14:03,300 --> 00:14:04,718 Moving in my zoo. 251 00:14:04,802 --> 00:14:07,805 So I can't feel too sorry for him. 252 00:14:09,765 --> 00:14:12,309 When Jeff first got Joe put in jail, 253 00:14:12,393 --> 00:14:14,770 that's when I decided, "What the hell." 254 00:14:15,312 --> 00:14:19,149 "I'll go out there and become partners and we'll build the zoo together." 255 00:14:19,775 --> 00:14:24,154 Well, a new zoo could be welcoming guests in Thackerville this year. 256 00:14:24,238 --> 00:14:26,466 Stark says they'll bring in the exotic animals 257 00:14:26,490 --> 00:14:29,743 from his refuge in Indiana and from the zoo in Wynnewood. 258 00:14:29,827 --> 00:14:33,247 The founder of that zoo, Joe Exotic, is in jail awaiting trial 259 00:14:33,330 --> 00:14:34,999 on a murder-for-hire charge. 260 00:14:35,082 --> 00:14:37,126 Once Joe was out of the picture, 261 00:14:37,209 --> 00:14:39,044 Tim came aboard. 262 00:14:39,128 --> 00:14:40,754 The more I thought about that, 263 00:14:41,338 --> 00:14:43,007 "Damn, it's happening again." 264 00:14:44,383 --> 00:14:47,011 I knew Jeff was a sneaky, conniving little bastard. 265 00:14:47,094 --> 00:14:52,016 That's what I was wanting in order to help me try to beat PETA, beat USDA. 266 00:14:52,099 --> 00:14:56,478 You have to be a sneaky, conniving fucker in order to keep up with these assholes. 267 00:14:56,562 --> 00:14:59,732 I got a partner here, and we're gonna crush them motherfuckers. 268 00:14:59,815 --> 00:15:02,026 I ain't gonna play no games with them. 269 00:15:02,109 --> 00:15:05,529 Two heads butting together like that is not ever gonna turn out good. 270 00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:07,739 And it didn't. 271 00:15:08,824 --> 00:15:11,761 Thackerville, Oklahoma is a good town with good country folks, 272 00:15:11,785 --> 00:15:14,872 and cheap taxes, and mostly friendly, good people here. 273 00:15:14,955 --> 00:15:17,958 Gotta knock that hill down and get it smooth so the fence will look nice. 274 00:15:18,042 --> 00:15:18,876 All right. 275 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:21,712 When I first heard about the zoo being built in Thackerville, 276 00:15:21,795 --> 00:15:24,089 I thought, "all right," 'cause I like exotic animals. 277 00:15:24,173 --> 00:15:25,883 I've got fish, and I've got birds. 278 00:15:25,966 --> 00:15:29,762 I think I'd like to listen to the lions roar in the evenings and mornings. 279 00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:34,558 But I believe all of them big cat people are crazy. 280 00:15:34,642 --> 00:15:37,353 One minute, they're hugging and calling each other brother, 281 00:15:37,436 --> 00:15:39,605 and the next minute, they're suing one another. 282 00:15:40,981 --> 00:15:43,442 How much is this gonna cost? 'Cause this is not cheap. 283 00:15:43,525 --> 00:15:45,569 By the time we open at the end of the summer, 284 00:15:45,653 --> 00:15:48,697 we'll have four or five million dollars wrapped up in this. 285 00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:50,950 Where are you gonna get the four million bucks? 286 00:15:51,033 --> 00:15:53,619 I'll pull it out of my damn pocket. 287 00:15:53,702 --> 00:15:54,954 We got it in here. 288 00:15:55,871 --> 00:15:58,248 It was supposed to be 50/50 partnership, 289 00:15:58,332 --> 00:16:01,627 but there was absolutely nothing 50/50 about it. 290 00:16:02,711 --> 00:16:04,797 I was paying 100% of the bill. 291 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,966 I was doing 100% of the work. 292 00:16:07,049 --> 00:16:09,134 I was moving some of my animals. 293 00:16:10,719 --> 00:16:14,098 He was putting in probably a hundred hours a week out there, 294 00:16:14,181 --> 00:16:15,891 and Jeff wasn't putting a dime in. 295 00:16:16,392 --> 00:16:17,726 Tim would start a project, 296 00:16:17,810 --> 00:16:20,688 and Jeff had no idea what the fuck Tim was doing. 297 00:16:21,522 --> 00:16:23,482 "Well, he's spending his money not mine." 298 00:16:24,775 --> 00:16:27,486 And that's the crazy part about all of this. 299 00:16:27,569 --> 00:16:30,447 Tim is going through now the same thing with Jeff Lowe. 300 00:16:30,531 --> 00:16:35,661 Jeff has frauded so many people into coming into business with him, 301 00:16:35,744 --> 00:16:37,663 the list goes on and on and on. 302 00:16:40,457 --> 00:16:44,086 Smoking cigarettes on top of a bale of hay. 303 00:16:44,169 --> 00:16:46,005 I'm gonna set my balls on fire. 304 00:16:46,839 --> 00:16:50,509 When Tim Stark left his park in Indiana and headed this way, 305 00:16:50,592 --> 00:16:54,096 it was July-August. It was freaking hot. 306 00:16:54,179 --> 00:16:59,351 And he had a lot of animals just jammed in the back of his gooseneck trailer. 307 00:16:59,435 --> 00:17:01,395 The air conditioning unit had broken down. 308 00:17:02,146 --> 00:17:04,982 He brought 112 animals down on his first trip. 309 00:17:05,065 --> 00:17:06,442 That was heartbreaking. 310 00:17:07,067 --> 00:17:09,778 He called me and he says, "My generator died." 311 00:17:09,862 --> 00:17:14,700 And I said, "Well, it's 100 degrees out. You can't not run the air conditioner." 312 00:17:15,576 --> 00:17:19,663 He showed up two and a half days later with a trailer full of dead animals. 313 00:17:19,747 --> 00:17:23,125 It's because he actually stopped in a different state for a booty call, 314 00:17:23,208 --> 00:17:26,295 stayed overnight, and didn't even check on the animals. 315 00:17:27,129 --> 00:17:30,674 I stopped to stay the night at a friend of mine's over in St. Louis. 316 00:17:30,758 --> 00:17:34,178 I was too fucking tired. I didn't have no choice but to stop. 317 00:17:34,261 --> 00:17:37,389 I done been working for 48 hours straight. No sleep. 318 00:17:38,182 --> 00:17:41,727 Get in the fucking truck and drive 13 fucking hours to goddamn Wynnewood. 319 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:43,979 He admitted later that he didn't even check. 320 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:46,523 From the time he left Charlestown till they got to our place, 321 00:17:46,607 --> 00:17:47,900 he didn't check them for water. 322 00:17:47,983 --> 00:17:51,320 We opened that trailer up, the smell, the heat, 323 00:17:51,403 --> 00:17:53,447 the fecal matter, it was everywhere. 324 00:17:53,530 --> 00:17:56,033 And the dead animals, they were everywhere. 325 00:17:56,116 --> 00:18:00,829 I probably buried at least 30 plus animals when he got there. 326 00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:02,915 Never seen anything like it. 327 00:18:05,334 --> 00:18:07,878 I didn't have my business partner there 328 00:18:07,961 --> 00:18:10,631 to help me like we were scheduled to do. 329 00:18:10,714 --> 00:18:14,802 He abandoned me and the animals. And now he wants to blame it on me. 330 00:18:15,761 --> 00:18:18,263 Tim and I have philosophical differences. 331 00:18:18,347 --> 00:18:22,101 So we kicked him off the land. We just couldn't take it anymore. 332 00:18:22,184 --> 00:18:23,310 He's just bipolar. 333 00:18:24,186 --> 00:18:26,021 Okay. So who's Sue? 334 00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:27,189 Sue? 335 00:18:27,940 --> 00:18:29,566 - Sue. - Who's Sue? 336 00:18:30,651 --> 00:18:32,861 - Oh, Sue is Tim's pseudonym. - Oh! 337 00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:34,655 - Sue! That Sue. - Yeah, and... 338 00:18:36,031 --> 00:18:37,157 Oh, goodness. 339 00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:39,201 Yeah, I forgot about that. 340 00:18:39,284 --> 00:18:43,163 When you think something's bullshit, you don't try to remember it. 341 00:18:45,624 --> 00:18:47,417 ♪ Well, my daddy left home When I was three ♪ 342 00:18:47,501 --> 00:18:49,294 ♪ He didn't leave very much To my ma and me ♪ 343 00:18:49,378 --> 00:18:52,464 ♪ Except this old guitar And an empty bottle of booze ♪ 344 00:18:52,548 --> 00:18:54,633 My dad, he never called me "Tim." 345 00:18:55,259 --> 00:18:56,426 He called me "Sue." 346 00:18:57,094 --> 00:18:58,470 I was the "Boy Named Sue." 347 00:18:58,554 --> 00:19:01,765 Not that I was a little girl. It was more or less like the song, 348 00:19:01,849 --> 00:19:04,184 "Boy Named Sue," you know, Johnny Cash's song. 349 00:19:04,268 --> 00:19:06,728 ♪ Before he left He went and named me Sue ♪ 350 00:19:09,731 --> 00:19:14,570 This is a picture Tim drew one day while his son was in surgery, 351 00:19:14,653 --> 00:19:17,197 and we were waiting for him to come out of surgery. 352 00:19:17,281 --> 00:19:20,075 This is how he spent his time was drawing this picture. 353 00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:22,619 There's a carving on the wall there that he did, 354 00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:26,957 and as you see, he signed it Sue. That's what he was proud of, the name Sue. 355 00:19:29,042 --> 00:19:31,086 Sue is the good part in me. 356 00:19:32,713 --> 00:19:35,716 My wife married Sue. She just didn't know it. 357 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:39,011 Tim Stark may have caused a lot of problems in my life. 358 00:19:40,220 --> 00:19:41,638 But that's not who I am. 359 00:19:43,724 --> 00:19:48,395 Tim's biggest enemy was his narcissistic personality. 360 00:19:48,478 --> 00:19:50,564 And I thought, "I'm done with this." 361 00:19:51,148 --> 00:19:53,650 And we were probably better off without Tim. 362 00:19:53,734 --> 00:19:57,696 I was discouraged for a long time because Tim wasn't getting anything done. 363 00:19:57,779 --> 00:19:59,740 I don't know what his problem was. 364 00:19:59,823 --> 00:20:04,578 It's almost like he tried to sabotage the thing from the beginning. 365 00:20:05,662 --> 00:20:09,374 It was harder than I ever anticipated, running the zoo in Wynnewood 366 00:20:09,458 --> 00:20:13,462 while building a huge 50-acre zoo in Thackerville. 367 00:20:14,338 --> 00:20:15,339 And... 368 00:20:16,006 --> 00:20:18,800 Does Tim have us blocked in? We're gonna go through it. 369 00:20:29,394 --> 00:20:30,394 Okay. 370 00:20:32,356 --> 00:20:35,692 Everything takes longer than you think, but it'll get there, and... 371 00:20:35,776 --> 00:20:36,860 if I have to... 372 00:20:37,736 --> 00:20:40,739 if I have to put Lauren on a corner earning, 373 00:20:40,822 --> 00:20:43,075 then we'll do whatever we have to do. 374 00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:56,505 So this is the VIP suite. 375 00:20:56,588 --> 00:21:00,217 Shaq, and Flav, and all those guys, when they come, they'll wanna stay in this 376 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:02,135 for more exclusive parties. 377 00:21:02,219 --> 00:21:03,929 I got a great big 12-person hot tub. 378 00:21:04,805 --> 00:21:06,556 The hot tub will be behind it 379 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,520 so these people can't, you know, see all the activities in the hot tub. 380 00:21:12,062 --> 00:21:15,691 He was thinking "strip club" on top of having a zoo. 381 00:21:15,774 --> 00:21:19,027 And they would be able to play with baby tigers, also, 382 00:21:19,653 --> 00:21:20,988 at the strip club. 383 00:21:21,071 --> 00:21:24,449 - What did you think of that? - I thought it was wonderful. 384 00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:29,371 Talked about he'd like to bring girls in and party and stuff like that. 385 00:21:29,454 --> 00:21:30,956 Just dragging those around... 386 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:32,958 Trying to have a zoo and a strip club. 387 00:21:33,041 --> 00:21:35,210 I think they need to be on separate properties. 388 00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:37,254 Not on the same property. 389 00:21:41,466 --> 00:21:44,052 Jeff and Lauren are snaky. They're very snaky. 390 00:21:47,055 --> 00:21:48,390 They almost put a spell on you. 391 00:21:48,473 --> 00:21:51,184 You almost get brainwashed if you're not paying attention. 392 00:21:51,268 --> 00:21:55,063 We all got so used to working so much for so little and we were so tired. 393 00:21:55,147 --> 00:21:58,734 And they get you just kind of rolling with their way of thinking. 394 00:21:59,609 --> 00:22:00,861 It took me a while, 395 00:22:00,944 --> 00:22:05,115 but I would always notice on the radio, repeatedly, "Code 69." 396 00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:07,576 Go for red. 397 00:22:07,659 --> 00:22:11,121 Code 69 is... Well, we got codes for a lot of things. 398 00:22:11,204 --> 00:22:13,832 These are FCC radios, so people do listen in. 399 00:22:13,915 --> 00:22:17,085 Code 69, that means it's a pretty girl in the park. 400 00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:18,879 Um, Code 69? 401 00:22:18,962 --> 00:22:22,174 - "Hey, some bait just walked in the zoo." - Basically. Basically. 402 00:22:22,257 --> 00:22:24,801 I am the one that picks out the cute girls. 403 00:22:25,302 --> 00:22:26,762 You would never know. 404 00:22:26,845 --> 00:22:29,056 She just walks up and she gets who she wants. 405 00:22:32,142 --> 00:22:34,728 My opinion of ecstasy or molly 406 00:22:34,811 --> 00:22:39,066 is that it's got to be one of the safest. 407 00:22:39,149 --> 00:22:42,569 You can drive on it. You can fly a plane on it. 408 00:22:42,652 --> 00:22:45,822 - It doesn't skew your... - "Fly a plane"? 409 00:22:45,906 --> 00:22:46,907 ...intelligence. 410 00:22:47,449 --> 00:22:52,079 Jeff and Lauren are like two rabid dogs in a goldfish bowl. 411 00:22:53,580 --> 00:22:57,667 Jeff and Lauren draw people in with the money, the cats. 412 00:22:57,751 --> 00:23:02,923 They manipulate the situation, and they bring vulnerable women in. 413 00:23:03,006 --> 00:23:08,095 Because we weren't making relationships. We were making experiences. 414 00:23:08,178 --> 00:23:10,389 The person was almost nameless. 415 00:23:10,472 --> 00:23:12,432 There was no, like, relationship bond. 416 00:23:12,516 --> 00:23:14,935 There was no, like, "This is another girlfriend coming in." 417 00:23:15,018 --> 00:23:16,520 It was like, "That's our toy." 418 00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:19,648 It was typically hit and run. 419 00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,568 They would show up from the back of their house. 420 00:23:23,652 --> 00:23:25,987 A beautiful woman would be walking in, 421 00:23:26,071 --> 00:23:28,657 and walk past with Jeff and Lauren Lowe, and they'd be gone. 422 00:23:29,866 --> 00:23:30,866 Code 69. 423 00:23:32,994 --> 00:23:38,166 This got so out of hand between sleeping with the female staff 424 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:41,461 and using our customers as sex toys. 425 00:23:42,045 --> 00:23:44,297 It wasn't about tigers. 426 00:23:44,381 --> 00:23:46,883 It wasn't about running a zoo. 427 00:23:46,967 --> 00:23:48,718 They're just predators. 428 00:23:52,556 --> 00:23:56,768 One of my friends sent me the link showing that they were hiring 429 00:23:56,852 --> 00:24:00,439 for the G.W. Zoo, and she knew how much I loved animals. 430 00:24:01,815 --> 00:24:03,483 I was completely naive. 431 00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:06,903 Jeff was probably able to scroll through my Facebook pictures 432 00:24:06,987 --> 00:24:10,198 to see if I was pretty enough to go down there. 433 00:24:12,909 --> 00:24:17,372 It was 2016 when I went to the zoo and worked with Jeff, Lauren, and Joe. 434 00:24:18,582 --> 00:24:20,125 My very first day, 435 00:24:20,208 --> 00:24:23,253 Jeff said something about killing Carole Baskin 436 00:24:23,336 --> 00:24:27,591 and how she needs to die because she took some of his animals. 437 00:24:27,674 --> 00:24:31,553 At that point in time, I didn't know if he was actually being serious or not. 438 00:24:31,636 --> 00:24:34,931 So then our morning meeting, I went and approached Jeff, Lauren, and Joe. 439 00:24:35,015 --> 00:24:37,601 They were all talking in a very heated conversation, 440 00:24:37,684 --> 00:24:41,062 and I was just trying to make sure everybody was okay. 441 00:24:41,146 --> 00:24:45,567 And Joe looked right at me, and he goes, "I will pay you a couple of grand 442 00:24:45,650 --> 00:24:48,570 to go down to Florida and kill Carole Baskin." 443 00:24:48,653 --> 00:24:50,280 "I have all the guns." 444 00:24:50,363 --> 00:24:53,950 And I looked at him and I was just like, "What?" 445 00:24:54,034 --> 00:24:57,245 I started laughing because I was like, "Me?" 446 00:24:57,329 --> 00:24:58,914 Of all people. 447 00:24:59,456 --> 00:25:01,082 I didn't really know Joe. 448 00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:04,002 And I was so uncomfortable. 449 00:25:04,085 --> 00:25:07,547 Like, all three were staring at me like they wanted an answer. 450 00:25:09,299 --> 00:25:13,261 I don't even remember ever talking to Ashley Webster. 451 00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:15,347 She was there such a short time. 452 00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:19,392 And she came there to be a playmate for Jeff and Lauren. 453 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,148 Why would I even consider asking her to go kill Carole? A... 454 00:25:25,232 --> 00:25:28,485 A girl that has a service dog. 455 00:25:28,568 --> 00:25:32,447 Am I gonna pay her to have her dog go gnaw Carole's legs off? 456 00:25:33,782 --> 00:25:35,784 Where does any of that make sense? 457 00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:40,330 I left a voicemail on Carole Baskin's phone. 458 00:25:40,413 --> 00:25:42,457 I was warning her that they were coming for her. 459 00:25:43,124 --> 00:25:46,920 The call to Carole is actually what started 460 00:25:47,003 --> 00:25:49,422 the murder-for-hire investigation. 461 00:25:49,506 --> 00:25:51,883 Hi, Carole. Uh... 462 00:25:51,967 --> 00:25:53,593 You really gotta call me back. 463 00:25:53,677 --> 00:25:57,180 He was actually talking about paying someone to kill you. 464 00:25:57,264 --> 00:25:59,432 He's offering like a couple of thousand dollars. 465 00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:01,851 I feel like your life is in danger. 466 00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:07,566 Within three days of me coming back from the zoo, 467 00:26:07,649 --> 00:26:10,151 the FBI showed up at my house. 468 00:26:10,902 --> 00:26:14,155 They were very much aware that Jeff Lowe was conspiring to kill Carole Baskin 469 00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:15,490 because I told them that. 470 00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:17,867 He was making threats to Carole. 471 00:26:17,951 --> 00:26:20,245 I flat-out heard him say 472 00:26:20,328 --> 00:26:22,539 that he wanted Carole dead. 473 00:26:23,206 --> 00:26:26,459 Jeff Lowe was just as much behind the murder-for-hire plot 474 00:26:26,543 --> 00:26:28,211 as Joe Exotic was. 475 00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:29,504 A hundred percent. 476 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,424 Joe took the fall for all of their actions. 477 00:26:32,507 --> 00:26:34,134 I feel that is very unfair. 478 00:26:35,385 --> 00:26:38,388 Ultimately, her deposition was withheld from trial, 479 00:26:38,471 --> 00:26:41,141 and nobody really got to hear about Ashley Webster. 480 00:26:41,224 --> 00:26:42,851 I think her testimony is important 481 00:26:42,934 --> 00:26:47,772 to show this was more than a simple business transaction 482 00:26:47,856 --> 00:26:50,942 between Joe and Allen to go kill Carole Baskin. 483 00:26:54,112 --> 00:26:58,241 Did you know that Jeff was recording you in these phone calls? 484 00:26:59,242 --> 00:27:00,243 No, I did not. 485 00:27:02,996 --> 00:27:05,582 - They know all about Joe. - Right. 486 00:27:05,665 --> 00:27:07,876 - What I recommend strongly... - Yup. 487 00:27:07,959 --> 00:27:10,462 You don't wanna be on Joe's side when this comes down. 488 00:27:10,545 --> 00:27:12,631 - You wanna be on the government's side. - I gotcha. 489 00:27:12,714 --> 00:27:16,134 What that means is you've gotta tell me, like, when he... 490 00:27:16,217 --> 00:27:18,345 I don't wanna put any words in your mouth. 491 00:27:19,429 --> 00:27:21,056 I should've expected it, 492 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,266 knowing him for so long. 493 00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:24,601 That's what they did... 494 00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:26,853 just to entrap somebody. 495 00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:33,234 Being played, that took a long time to actually sit down 496 00:27:33,318 --> 00:27:36,905 and truly think exactly what happened, how it happened, 497 00:27:36,988 --> 00:27:41,284 because at the time I thought I was just basically falling in suit 498 00:27:41,368 --> 00:27:43,411 on keeping the park open 499 00:27:44,621 --> 00:27:46,456 at pretty much any cost. 500 00:27:47,999 --> 00:27:50,210 Yeah, I got set up just like Joe did. 501 00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:54,297 That's a hard fucking pill to swallow. 502 00:27:54,381 --> 00:27:56,841 You said something to me on the phone that... 503 00:27:58,009 --> 00:28:00,136 ...nearly brought me to fucking tears. 504 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:02,222 You said something to the effect of 505 00:28:02,305 --> 00:28:04,766 this should be you in jail or you should be in jail with him. 506 00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:05,684 Yeah. 507 00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:06,768 Tell me what you meant. 508 00:28:08,353 --> 00:28:09,813 I did worse than he did. 509 00:28:11,022 --> 00:28:12,023 What do you mean? 510 00:28:13,566 --> 00:28:18,029 I agreed to do something that I know I wasn't going to do, 511 00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:21,741 and I didn't think that man wanted to do it either. It was just... 512 00:28:23,743 --> 00:28:26,830 talking shit, and things got caught up at the moment. 513 00:28:27,747 --> 00:28:29,916 That's the way it worked out, it was horrible. 514 00:28:30,417 --> 00:28:34,045 Are you willing to get arrested and face perjury? 515 00:28:34,129 --> 00:28:35,296 To help Joe? Yeah. 516 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,048 I've already said that. 517 00:28:37,132 --> 00:28:38,132 Why? 518 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:41,469 It's the fucking thing to do, dude. 519 00:28:43,096 --> 00:28:44,723 It's the fucking thing to do. 520 00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:49,102 Allen was a pawn in this game, 521 00:28:49,185 --> 00:28:51,271 just a dumb, stupid pawn. 522 00:28:51,354 --> 00:28:56,067 Isn't it funny that whenever these guys get in trouble 523 00:28:57,277 --> 00:28:58,611 for their own actions, 524 00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:01,197 that it's always gotta be somebody else's fault? 525 00:29:01,781 --> 00:29:04,617 And if I've done something wrong, where's the law? 526 00:29:04,701 --> 00:29:07,287 Where are they coming to get me? They're not. 527 00:29:08,037 --> 00:29:10,999 The dominoes keep falling now for people who gained notoriety 528 00:29:11,082 --> 00:29:13,418 on the Netflix docu-series Tiger King. 529 00:29:13,501 --> 00:29:15,003 Can you guys just tell us 530 00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:19,299 what your understanding is of what has happened to your zoo? 531 00:29:19,382 --> 00:29:22,969 We have anticipated this for almost two years. 532 00:29:23,052 --> 00:29:24,763 As soon as we came into the picture, 533 00:29:24,846 --> 00:29:28,016 Carole Baskin wrapped us under the same umbrella as Joe 534 00:29:28,099 --> 00:29:31,895 to get me included in his judgment for a million dollars. 535 00:29:32,562 --> 00:29:34,522 Carole Baskin has been awarded 536 00:29:34,606 --> 00:29:37,525 the zoo once owned by the Tiger King, Joe Exotic. 537 00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:40,236 Oh, how the mullet has turned! 538 00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:43,281 This is how Carole ruins you. 539 00:29:43,364 --> 00:29:46,910 Okay, if she can't kill you, and she can't put you in jail, 540 00:29:46,993 --> 00:29:48,828 she's gonna bankrupt you. 541 00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:51,790 And you know, before I even got arrested, 542 00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:54,667 Carole Baskin and PETA were working together. 543 00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:57,670 Now, PETA is suing everybody. 544 00:29:58,505 --> 00:30:01,007 I've had cats throughout the last 20 years. 545 00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:04,219 Never had any problem whatsoever with any of them 546 00:30:04,302 --> 00:30:07,722 until there was a fucking PETA spy on my property. 547 00:30:13,228 --> 00:30:14,270 Okay, you're in. 548 00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:17,232 Tim looked at me one day 549 00:30:17,857 --> 00:30:20,360 and he said, "There's a mole on this property. I know it." 550 00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:23,404 He looked me in the face. 551 00:30:23,488 --> 00:30:30,453 "Anyone who talks, I will find them and I will fucking slit their throat." 552 00:30:34,123 --> 00:30:36,084 Tim was just so paranoid 553 00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:39,671 that he had booby traps and security cameras. 554 00:30:39,754 --> 00:30:43,258 And, you know, he had an arsenal of firearms in his house. 555 00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:45,802 I can't imagine 556 00:30:45,885 --> 00:30:50,890 the amount of balls that it took to walk in there and look him in the face. 557 00:30:51,766 --> 00:30:56,187 I was trained by the United States Army to shoot a motherfucking terrorist. 558 00:30:56,271 --> 00:30:57,438 It's that simple. 559 00:30:57,522 --> 00:30:59,148 So come at me, motherfuckers. 560 00:31:00,567 --> 00:31:03,069 It definitely spooked and scared all of us. 561 00:31:03,152 --> 00:31:06,948 A lot of people that volunteered for him, after they left, they didn't wanna speak. 562 00:31:07,031 --> 00:31:09,993 But it got to a point where I was just getting sick and tired. 563 00:31:10,994 --> 00:31:14,539 We needed to protect the animals. So I made a call to PETA. 564 00:31:17,083 --> 00:31:19,210 People would get scratched during the shows, 565 00:31:19,294 --> 00:31:21,254 so Tim cut the nails of the tigers. 566 00:31:21,754 --> 00:31:24,007 Anyone that knows anything about animals knows 567 00:31:24,090 --> 00:31:26,009 that's the worst thing you can do to a cat. 568 00:31:26,843 --> 00:31:28,261 If you're declawing an animal, 569 00:31:28,344 --> 00:31:31,806 think of it as a human that we're cutting off that first knuckle. 570 00:31:32,765 --> 00:31:36,227 So just think about that for a second. I mean, I can't stress this enough. 571 00:31:36,311 --> 00:31:38,646 We're cutting off your first knuckle to your hand. 572 00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:42,150 And as a tiger, they walk on the tips of their toes. 573 00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:45,028 So you're cutting off that ability for them to walk. 574 00:31:46,362 --> 00:31:50,658 Later on in life, they'll be flat-footed, have arthritis and all kinds of problems. 575 00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:52,619 But at the time, that doesn't matter, 576 00:31:52,702 --> 00:31:55,747 'cause it's about the money. It's not about the animals. 577 00:31:56,331 --> 00:32:00,585 Tim thinks that because a vet will do it, that it's okay. 578 00:32:00,668 --> 00:32:02,629 Never mind if it's humane. 579 00:32:02,712 --> 00:32:05,882 Never mind if it cripples the animal for the rest of their life. 580 00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:07,926 Oh, my god. 581 00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:10,386 I would say the numbers that talked to PETA 582 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:11,721 after I talked definitely grew. 583 00:32:11,804 --> 00:32:13,932 It didn't really have nothing to do with me, 584 00:32:14,015 --> 00:32:15,850 but it was the power of numbers. 585 00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:18,603 And it was all right and don't let Tim bully you. 586 00:32:19,479 --> 00:32:22,106 On Monday, a judge ordered a temporary injunction 587 00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:23,358 against Wildlife in Need 588 00:32:23,441 --> 00:32:27,362 after PETA claimed the refuge violated the Endangered Species Act 589 00:32:27,445 --> 00:32:29,322 by declawing big cats. 590 00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:31,950 I don't give a what PETA says. I don't care. 591 00:32:32,867 --> 00:32:36,788 I think the beginning of his end was probably the PETA lawsuit. 592 00:32:37,538 --> 00:32:40,833 He buried himself so deep in trouble with his mouth. 593 00:32:40,917 --> 00:32:43,544 Today is Wednesday, April 10, 2019. 594 00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:46,965 The time is 9:31 a.m. We are on the record. 595 00:32:47,048 --> 00:32:49,842 I'd like to ask the court reporter to please swear in the witness. 596 00:32:49,926 --> 00:32:51,803 I'm not gonna sit here and be badgered. 597 00:32:51,886 --> 00:32:54,889 I'm not gonna sit here and be a part of a fishing expedition. 598 00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:57,642 Mr. Stark, you are obligated to answer the questions 599 00:32:57,725 --> 00:32:59,352 that are asked in this deposition... 600 00:32:59,435 --> 00:33:01,312 No, I'm not. No, I'm not. 601 00:33:01,396 --> 00:33:04,524 All of you guys, stop! Stop, stop, stop! 602 00:33:04,607 --> 00:33:06,442 What are WIN's big cats fed? 603 00:33:06,526 --> 00:33:07,735 Food. 604 00:33:07,819 --> 00:33:08,819 What kind of food? 605 00:33:08,861 --> 00:33:09,696 Meat. 606 00:33:09,779 --> 00:33:10,780 What kind of meat? 607 00:33:10,863 --> 00:33:11,739 Depends. 608 00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:14,826 Wake up to fucking reality before you waste my time! 609 00:33:15,785 --> 00:33:19,998 As a TV station, we've been covering Tim Stark and Wildlife in Need 610 00:33:20,081 --> 00:33:22,125 for fifteen-ish years. 611 00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:26,629 I've probably done three dozen reports on him. 612 00:33:26,713 --> 00:33:28,840 And it wasn't always bad. 613 00:33:28,923 --> 00:33:33,553 But recently things really started rolling in a way that Tim Stark didn't like. 614 00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:46,524 Our office received numerous complaints about Tim Stark. 615 00:33:48,151 --> 00:33:52,697 We were able to recognize very quickly that there was some compliance issues 616 00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:54,407 that would allow us to investigate. 617 00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:58,953 Indiana's new Attorney General spends his days handling consumer complaints, 618 00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:03,875 but as I recently discovered, can also summon a king-size music talent. 619 00:34:04,459 --> 00:34:06,544 When I was a kid, I just enjoyed his music 620 00:34:06,627 --> 00:34:10,757 and actually had the ability to sing and sound like Elvis. 621 00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:16,179 ♪ Wise men say ♪ 622 00:34:16,804 --> 00:34:18,139 ♪ Only fools ♪ 623 00:34:18,222 --> 00:34:20,975 ♪ Only fools rush in ♪ 624 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:24,270 What the evidence from Wildlife in Need 625 00:34:24,353 --> 00:34:28,232 actually demonstrated was this was not a rescue operation at all. 626 00:34:28,316 --> 00:34:32,028 This was an opportunity for an individual to use a corporate front 627 00:34:32,111 --> 00:34:35,782 to purchase animals, exotic animals, endangered animals 628 00:34:35,865 --> 00:34:37,533 and exhibit them for profit. 629 00:34:37,617 --> 00:34:40,369 And based upon information he has said himself, 630 00:34:40,453 --> 00:34:42,288 for enormous profit. 631 00:34:42,997 --> 00:34:44,040 That's fraud. 632 00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:47,251 Mr. Miyagi, where you at? Happy boy. 633 00:34:47,335 --> 00:34:50,880 The Indiana Attorney General's Office told us they have filed dozens 634 00:34:50,963 --> 00:34:54,550 of exhibits, multiple motions with Tim Stark, 635 00:34:54,634 --> 00:34:58,262 demanding that he not bring animals back from Oklahoma, 636 00:34:58,346 --> 00:35:01,474 that he not bring people to his property. 637 00:35:01,557 --> 00:35:04,644 He's doing it all anyways. He's completely ignoring it. 638 00:35:07,063 --> 00:35:09,774 Anytime you possess something, it's yours. 639 00:35:10,483 --> 00:35:11,317 Period. 640 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,612 Which means that it is, from that day forward, 641 00:35:14,695 --> 00:35:16,405 your personal property 642 00:35:16,489 --> 00:35:20,660 to pretty much do with whatever you see fit to fit your needs. 643 00:35:22,036 --> 00:35:25,331 If I wanted to go and shoot a tiger, and skin him out, and butcher him, 644 00:35:25,414 --> 00:35:28,876 and have tiger steaks for dinner, it's my fucking prerogative. 645 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,253 It's my animal, my property. 646 00:35:30,336 --> 00:35:35,633 Nobody has the right to tell me what I can or cannot do with my property. 647 00:35:35,716 --> 00:35:38,970 And God himself says I can do with them what I choose. 648 00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:44,475 For years, he's said that no one will take his animals alive, 649 00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,269 that he'll throw grenades at people, 650 00:35:46,352 --> 00:35:52,024 and he successfully intimidated USDA inspectors by brandishing a gun. 651 00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:04,036 I'm not trying to be a dick, but I need everybody outside the gate. 652 00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:08,040 Here at Wildlife in Need, the judge gave the Attorney General's office 653 00:36:08,124 --> 00:36:10,835 two eight-hour days to complete this inspection. 654 00:36:10,918 --> 00:36:15,214 That means about four minutes to inspect each of Stark's hundreds of animals. 655 00:36:15,298 --> 00:36:18,885 I'm getting fucked in this shit, and I'm not gonna tolerate it! 656 00:36:19,385 --> 00:36:22,597 It's already been proven that the Attorney General's office 657 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,473 is in conspiracy with PETA. 658 00:36:24,557 --> 00:36:26,893 - That's not true. - The hell if it ain't! 659 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,562 Let's go, Jess. Move it! Get them moving! 660 00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:33,858 This is how I raise birds and animals. 661 00:36:33,941 --> 00:36:35,985 Ain't that right? Good boy. Oh! 662 00:36:36,068 --> 00:36:38,696 And then you raise that one to fly into your skull. 663 00:36:38,779 --> 00:36:41,741 Shut the fuck up and don't even tell me what you're wanting to tell me! 664 00:36:41,824 --> 00:36:45,203 'Cause as you see, half the people's here, half the people's out there! 665 00:36:45,286 --> 00:36:46,871 I'm not gonna tolerate this shit 666 00:36:46,954 --> 00:36:49,165 if you motherfuckers think you're gonna separate, 667 00:36:49,248 --> 00:36:51,918 and go different directions, and try to fuck my shit! 668 00:36:52,001 --> 00:36:53,544 I'm not gonna tolerate it! 669 00:36:53,628 --> 00:36:57,465 Wildlife in Need founder Tim Stark is expected back in court tomorrow. 670 00:36:57,548 --> 00:37:00,468 The judge is bringing him in after he didn't follow court orders 671 00:37:00,551 --> 00:37:02,553 and was held in contempt of court. 672 00:37:06,933 --> 00:37:08,351 I've got a court case tomorrow. 673 00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:11,312 And what it's based on, it's called a compliance hearing. 674 00:37:11,395 --> 00:37:12,772 The judge called it. 675 00:37:12,855 --> 00:37:16,275 Where is Sue in this? Is Sue there in you? 676 00:37:16,359 --> 00:37:19,028 Sue is the part that everybody loves. 677 00:37:19,111 --> 00:37:21,113 I love Sue. I hate Tim Stark. 678 00:37:21,197 --> 00:37:25,368 You know, because Tim Stark has turned into a very rude, 679 00:37:25,451 --> 00:37:27,703 very defensive, you know, 680 00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:30,081 asshole in all reality. 681 00:37:30,164 --> 00:37:33,793 You know, but in order to fight the shit that I'm fighting, 682 00:37:33,876 --> 00:37:37,088 Sue would do it in more or less attorney fashion. 683 00:37:37,171 --> 00:37:40,591 Tuck your tail, play the game. Hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo! 684 00:37:40,675 --> 00:37:44,595 Tim Stark's not that fashion. Tim Stark's like, "Fuck this. Fuck you." 685 00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:47,765 "Come get me, motherfuckers, and let's see what you're made of." 686 00:37:54,772 --> 00:37:57,191 I'm always nervous when it comes down to this shit. 687 00:37:57,275 --> 00:38:00,903 Because you know you're up against the most corrupt shit on the planet. 688 00:38:00,987 --> 00:38:02,405 It's hard not to be nervous. 689 00:38:02,488 --> 00:38:07,034 They don't give a fuck about that. They don't give a shit about truth. 690 00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,328 All they care about is the game. 691 00:38:10,371 --> 00:38:13,082 I don't play the game. I am the fucking game. 692 00:38:20,506 --> 00:38:24,260 Those are the corrupt, fucking piece of shit whistleblowers. 693 00:38:34,979 --> 00:38:36,147 Come down here. 694 00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:38,733 You can't go threatening anyone in the courtroom. 695 00:38:38,816 --> 00:38:42,028 - I haven't threatened a single person. - The attorney says you're trying. 696 00:38:42,111 --> 00:38:44,715 - That's 'cause he's a pussy. - Okay. That's the thing... 697 00:38:44,739 --> 00:38:46,739 That's not proper conduct in the court. 698 00:38:46,782 --> 00:38:48,302 Hell, court ain't started yet. 699 00:38:48,367 --> 00:38:50,567 In the courtroom, that's not proper conduct. 700 00:38:50,619 --> 00:38:51,829 Court hasn't started yet. 701 00:38:51,912 --> 00:38:54,415 I can videotape right now. I can do anything I wanna do. 702 00:38:54,498 --> 00:38:56,917 I haven't threatened anybody. I specifically told him. 703 00:38:57,001 --> 00:39:01,464 Just like Phil Rizzo, I told him, legally, I will destroy his damn whole entire life. 704 00:39:01,547 --> 00:39:04,175 Legally. I didn't threaten him physically. I didn't do... 705 00:39:04,258 --> 00:39:06,844 Can you at least try to conduct yourself... 706 00:39:06,927 --> 00:39:07,970 I do conduct myself. 707 00:39:08,054 --> 00:39:11,432 - That's not proper conduct in courtroom. - I got court to do. 708 00:39:12,475 --> 00:39:14,685 Tim Stark had a lot to say in court today, 709 00:39:14,769 --> 00:39:16,729 most of it unsolicited commentary 710 00:39:16,812 --> 00:39:19,148 that the judge actually had to ask him to stop. 711 00:39:19,231 --> 00:39:20,900 Witnesses say after his outburst, 712 00:39:20,983 --> 00:39:24,153 seven more sheriff's deputies were brought in as extra security. 713 00:39:24,236 --> 00:39:27,365 - Question for you... - I'm offering y'all everything you asked. 714 00:39:27,448 --> 00:39:31,035 - Walk away. Leave me the fuck alone! - You're offering us nothing. 715 00:39:31,118 --> 00:39:33,871 I know I'm offering... What the fuck are you offering me? 716 00:39:33,954 --> 00:39:37,458 - We can take care of the animals... - The shit show continues! Fuck you! 717 00:39:37,541 --> 00:39:39,835 The shit show will continue, you sorry prick. 718 00:39:39,919 --> 00:39:41,420 Hold on one second. 719 00:39:41,504 --> 00:39:42,922 Tim, anything you wanna say? 720 00:39:43,005 --> 00:39:45,925 Make sure everybody gets in there, you bunch of fucktard motherfuckers. 721 00:39:46,008 --> 00:39:49,095 Watch what happens when I get you on the stand. Let's see what happens. 722 00:39:49,178 --> 00:39:50,388 Are you ready for that? 723 00:39:50,471 --> 00:39:53,391 I'm gonna show that you're the lying, little fucking cunts that you are. 724 00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:54,475 You wanna go against me? 725 00:39:54,558 --> 00:39:55,768 Sir, don't do that. 726 00:39:55,851 --> 00:39:58,229 I can talk however the fuck I want. Leave me alone, man. 727 00:39:58,312 --> 00:40:01,148 I ain't in the goddamn courtroom. I can talk however the hell I want. 728 00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:03,526 It's the fucking English language, motherfucker. 729 00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:05,569 Anything else, Tim? 730 00:40:07,822 --> 00:40:11,117 The judge says he does plan to make some decisions in this case soon, 731 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,035 but he wouldn't give a deadline. 732 00:40:15,246 --> 00:40:16,622 His day is coming. 733 00:40:17,248 --> 00:40:21,752 They will get him for the crimes that he committed against animals. 734 00:40:25,714 --> 00:40:27,967 Because people like me are gonna speak. 735 00:40:28,968 --> 00:40:30,177 We're gonna talk. 736 00:40:32,304 --> 00:40:33,806 We're not afraid anymore. 737 00:40:34,306 --> 00:40:38,144 You can sit there and say you wanna slit my fucking throat. 738 00:40:38,227 --> 00:40:40,771 I got a 9mm, let's go. 739 00:40:41,647 --> 00:40:42,898 I'll stop you. 62705

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