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and he is assisted by First Officer Hawkins.

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♪ Break on through to the other side ♪

Novels used to be the content of movies. When a new medium

arrives, the old medium is the content and it is highly

observable, highly also, but the real revving up

and massaging is done by the...

I was walking through Central Park one day

playing my banjo and along comes Jonas Mekas,

with his little eight millimeter camera.

He starts filming me.

We started to talk and within a day, I was the new director

of the Film-Maker's Cinematheque.

And I quit my job and he said he wanted to put together

a festival based on cinema but incorporating other arts

and that was the mandate, he made some suggestions,

we thought about it, talked about it, it was up to me

to put it together.

And so I called it the Expanded Cinema Festival.

And I went to Rauschenberg, Oldenburg, Nam June Paik,

the USCO Group, Carolee Schneemann, dancers, artists, poets,

audio visual people and the only requirement was

cinema somehow was incorporated into the piece.

Just a total rearranging of the senses.

You didn't know what you were looking at.

And all these people were experimenting with media.

They were dealing with technological stuff.

Nobody was talking about cybernetics at the time but

they were all reading McLuhan.

Rauschenberg told me about McLuhan.

Suggested I read it, then Cage handed me a copy

of "Cybernetics" by Norbert Wiener and said,

"This is something for you."

I was extremely interested in notions of feedback

and nonlinearity.

I got a call from A.K. Solomon who was head of Biophysics

at Harvard and he had read about the Expanded Cinema

Festival, said, "We have all these scientists up here

"at Harvard and MIT and who of us would like to invite

"a group of artists to spend a couple of days

"in a seminar to talk about mutual interests."

So I was invited to put this together which I did.

And then they took us to see the computer.

There was a room and everybody there was wearing white coats

and they were cold and we were cold watching the computer

with all these cards and file cards.

I just stood there like a kid with my nose against

the window and it was so exciting.

And I had no idea why.

JZ Young, an Oxford biologist, in "Doubt and Certainty

in Science " said, " We create tools and then we mold ourself

"through our use of them."

And I read that in 1964 and something went off

and I suddenly realized that reality isn't this thing

in front of us on a proscenium stage, it's a mobile piece.

We are creating technologies, then we are the technologies.

It's not your heart is like a pump, your heart is a pump.

It's not your brain is like a computer,

your brain is a computer

until the next thing comes along.

Now you're a neural net or now you're an information system.

The circles widened so it was Heinz von Foerster who was the

dean of the world's cyberneticist. It was Gregory Bateson,

Stewart Brand, almost all these people were authors

as I was, I read all their books, and no one in New York

had a clue that there was something happening.

That there was a consciousness or mindset that had evolved

and you could connect all these people.

You can connect this and this.

There are ways to put it together and to see a cohesive

whole and they were bestselling authors

and they were getting screwed by the publishing industry.

So I was dragooned into becoming an agent because I had

a business background and they said, "Why don't you just

"go back and look after our interests?

"It'll take you an hour a day" and I thought it would

be a nice way to pick up some money while I wrote books

and I found out very quickly that I was sitting

on an oil well I couldn't control

and that was 30 years ago.

In 1993, someone attacked your network.

We talked about your network and David Gelernter,

one of your fabulous writers, received a letter

from the Unabomber.

Right.

Why do you think he was a target?

Well, I know he was a target, this madman, criminal madman

would read the New York Times and a lot of the people he

picked as targets were people that John Markoff

had profiled, so Gelernter was the subject

of one of the biggest profiles ever in the Times in 1991.

And I'm sure that had something to do with it.

But the Unabomber, he studied in Harvard

and he was a mathematician.

Yeah, and he's a sick criminal.

I wouldn't have a serious discussion about this guy.

You know, he doesn't rise to the level.

I think he's a guy that wrote this manifesto that he

couldn't possibly get published because it's written so

badly and it's so flawed, so in order to get it published

he killed people.

End of story.

People can have arguments about environment and science

but you don't need to kill people to make your point.

And I wouldn't dignify him by discussing him any further.

Let's change the subject.

Call a car.

♪ When I go to sleep at night, that's the only thing ♪

♪ I'm dreaming of ♪

This historic endeavor,

thanks to a personal invitation extended to me by...

In 1960 and '61, I was a lieutenant in the U.S. Army

based in Fort Dix, New Jersey.

And on weekends when I could get away, I went to the

Lower East Side of New York and hung out with artists

because by then I was hanging out with artists

in San Francisco in 1959 and '60.

John Brockman was part of that, a fella named Steve Durkee,

a poet named Gerd Stern, a group of artists and engineers

called USCO was taking shape about then, standing for

Us Company.

The mechanism of meeting Ken Kesey was very straightforward.

It was through Indians.

By chance, I was a photo journalist then and I got

a job through a friend photographing Indians in Oregon

at the Warm Springs Indian Reservation.

So I photographed these guys and I thought this is

a real interesting, different America

that I didn't know about, that is fundamental and profound.

Then Kesey's book came out,

"One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" which had a character

in it named Chief Broom.

Chief Broom was portrayed as an Indian from the reservation

where I'd been working, so I was moved by that and it

sort of gave me the rest of the permission to think

what I was thinking, that Indians were important.

And so I sent Kesey photographs, through a mutual friend

I knew his address that I'd taken and he basically

sent back a note, "Come on down."

And was welcomed right in and blended in and became

part of it.

We're on our way to LA. - We'll have to...

We're on our way to LA. - We'll all get together.

On one plan of attack. - How we coming in?

Everywhere, everywhere.

Everywhere, production at the moment

is the acid test.

Okay, once again, the train is in.

Being on the bus going from acid test to acid test

basically which was Kesey's form of performance art,

our band was a group called the Warlocks which

later became the Grateful Dead.

A number of people around the group were ex-army,

like I was, a number of them were artists.

And it was intensely improvisational.

Oh yeah, come on now.

Get some power up here on the stage.

Our best technicians are now on the problem,

alright turn up the microphone.

Sounds, pick that up.

Was it a moving laboratory? Yes.

In Kesey's mind, it was a moving laboratory.

He said, "You know, these scientists talk about doing

"research and that's really all they're doing is research.

"We're doing research and if we don't boil rocks

"and drink the water, how do we know it won't

"make us drunk." And what we do is boil rocks and we just

try any damn thing.

And some of them were pretty interesting experiments.

One for example would be, take a whole bunch of garden,

people sitting around basically stoned.

About 15 people.

Take a bunch of garden hose, cut it up into eight or ten

foot lengths, tie it all together in a knot, grab two

pieces, talk in one and listen to the other. And everybody's

doing this, and so you know who you're hearing but you don't

know who you're talking to and this is happening in a group

of 15 people just to see what happens.

That was a search.

The Whole Earth Catalog project

certainly hit all of that frame of reference, but it

specifically came out of an LSD afternoon where I was

on a rooftop with probably 200 micrograms of LSD in me,

you know, nothing better to do.

And thinking about, or in context of lectures I had

recently heard by Buckminster Fuller and Fuller like McLuhan

was one of the people we were paying attention to then

and Wiener was in there, Cage was a little bit in there.

The initial audience in my mind was communes.

People who were trying to reinvent civilization

and I was just trying to provide the tools for which

to reinvent civilization. And turned out, a lot of people

were interested in that.

The communes that try to quote, "go back to basics"

and just farm made a real good try at doing that.

And some of them even learned a fair amount

of serious farming.

A book that we purveyed in Whole Earth Catalog

called "Goat Husbandry" was a very popular book.

It was a good book.

You get the book, get a goat, and you can do it,

milk and everything.

But it didn't play out very far.

It was basically a different kind of dead end

from what drugs were.

Whereas some of the technology, some of the alternative

energy technology showed real promise.

Solar energy basically took off gradually,

and takes off to this day.

Computer technology obviously.

And because the counterculture hippie frame of reference

was there for outlaws of all kinds, it basically swept

right through the outlaw computer people, hackers,

and became their frame of reference and a kind of a gift

economy, optimistic approach became then the basis

for personal computers, personal computer software.

Then the internet and the web went on and on. And that's

the main legacy from the '60s as far as I'm concerned

is the open system approach to everything

having to do with computers.

You offered two lines in the catalog.

How to use a computer and how to build a cabin in the woods

like Thoreau, one of the American icons.

On one side, you offered technology and on the other side

anti-technology in one book.

Mmhm, I agree. - Was there

a discussion about that among the users of the catalog

or was it a conflict?

What was your position in this time?

We came down on one side of the conflict between

technology and anti-technology. We came down

on the side of technology.

Basically on the theory of the way to make a technology

work for you is to just grab it and run with it,

go do whatever you want to do with that technology.

And if that happens and everybody does that,

these technologies basically get democratized.

Then they will work out okay.

If you fail to do that and say, "They're very, very evil

"and I will never touch them," then they have complete

freedom to be as evil as they want.

You know who wound up in Thoreau's cabin was the Unabomber,

was Ted Kaczynski.

Saying, "This is evil, evil, evil, and I'll prove it

"by killing some of the people who do it."

And then that line then leads to Bill Joy saying you know,

"Ted Kaczynski is right about a few things.

"You read his stuff and there's some sensible critique

"in there that we need to take seriously because what if

"we democratize weapons of mass destruction,

"is that a good thing?

"It's okay to democratize personal computers

"and the internet but what about

"weapons of mass destruction?"

It's a fair question.

And that's one that we're now dealing with

in the early 21st century.

I think it will eventually sort out but it's

a real question.

He was saying, "The culture is going a whole direction here

"and I think it's a dangerous direction and I will

"personally prevent it from going there."

And he got heard by vile means, but he got heard.

So I can mail books out? - Awesome.

Eat, consume, be silent, and die!

Or choose to protest the very nature of your birthright!

No more!

♪ I am a time bomb ♪

Shut it down, shut the down!

♪ I am a time bomb, ticking, ticking, ticking time bomb ♪

♪ Everybody look what's going down, stop now ♪

♪ Time bomb, ticking, ticking, ticking time bomb ♪

♪ What's that sound, everybody look what's going down ♪

♪ Stop now, what's that sound ♪

US Marines operating in Afghanistan launched

their first ground offensive killing

seven fighters who struck three vehicles.

It all happened overnight when a Taliban convoy ran

a roadblock Marines set up in southern Afghanistan,

no Marine was injured.

And today, Cobra helicopters were watching, based on a

report, that another convoy has been spotted.

The Choppers, however, weren't able to fly back to it.

And Israel ended a two day halt in bombing this morning

when F-16s...

Sort of being like,.

The defense minister, a visitor of

government in Afghanistan, claims his sources have told

him that Osama Bin Laden is definitely in Tora Bora.

With the Cold War,

with World War II over now, us turning or attentions

to the Russians, we needed various ways to one, literally

protect our skies and two, to give the people of the US

sort of a feeling of security and that's where

SAGE came in.

SAGE is the largest computer ever made and this is only

one portion, and all of this I another portion

and we have less than 10% of one SAGE machine.

First wide scale use of modems was on this machine.

And how it worked was you'd actually see a blip on

the screen that was moving and you would access that blip

with a light gun by actually clicking on it.

And if there was any information in air traffic control

it would show up in one area. But if not the intercept

technician would have to have it shot down. And you can

see the large screen here. And first wide scale use

of modems was a decentralized network. So if a bomb

was to take out one of them, it could still control

the output and the input from another station.

So it was very influential in the early days

of the ARPANET with a lot of the whole concept of

being able to keep the network running if you lose

one of the nodes.

Indicate what was coming and then you could scramble jets

or even launch missiles from the ground.

Also see that you have ability to dial up

other sectors and control their air space also.

And if you wanted to zoom in and just deal with

a specific division and then you could access that

and it actually would give you a full screen of that.

Very, very advanced system.

You can see you have standby, off, power.

Or you can just keep the cooling to it any time.

You also had a cigarette lighter and an ashtray so if

you were smoking you could keep from going insane.

In response to the recent cases of anthrax in the US,

all the experts I spoke with said the worst thing we can do

right now is panic.

We need to let public health officials and the FBI

carry out this investigation, and in the meantime

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What the public can do is take some time...

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♪ When I go to sleep at night, that's the only thing ♪

♪ I'm dreaming of ♪

♪ Little thing is coming over your heart ♪

♪ Devil on your ♪

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♪ One little piggie went to Hong Kong ♪

♪ This little piggie's comin' over your house ♪

♪ I'm a hog for you, baby ♪

♪ Can't get enough of your love ♪

♪ When I go to sleep at night, that's the only thing ♪

♪ I'm dreaming of ♪

ARPA was founded in 1957, might be '58

as a result of Sputnik.

Sputnik occurred in October of '57 and it greatly

surprised the United States, they had no idea.

In '58, very soon after Sputnik, Eisenhower, who

was president then asked the department of defense

to set up a special agency called ARPA,

the Advanced Research Projects Agency to look for

research projects that had a longer term

expectation associated with it, in the hopes that we

would not get surprised

again like the Russians surprised us.

So the initial ARPA programs were all space related,

not computer research by and large.

Then in 1960, NASA was formed by Kennedy.

And the ARPA space programs were all

transferred to NASA.

That left ARPA, by '61, '62 it left ARPA an opportunity

to do some other things and one of the things they decided

to get into was computer research.

For my office in ARPA and for some of the other

offices in ARPA, the policy was go find people with

really big ideas that you think might work and if they do

work the payoff will be very large.

And then there were people, labs, offices

and companies? - Yes.

And how...

Can you draw for me how X extend the network?

Okay, so this group here has its own computer

and this group has its own computer and this group

and so on but these computers cannot talk, communicate

with one another unless you put a little translator

next to each one of these.

So this computer's sending something over here.

It grows through this translator.

The translator translates this language, if you will,

or these bits into a common language that he can

understand and he can understand but he can't and he can't.

And so the translation goes through here, it comes here,

this guy then translates this stuff into something

that this guy can then receive and the same is true

over here and over here and even over here

so that everything is sort of multiple connected.

But some historians have looked at this and said,

"Well, the reason that ARPA built the ARPANET was

"in the case of nuclear disaster," no, that's not

the reason we built the ARPANET.

We built the ARPANET to enable people in different

places who had common interest to share those interests.

The internet is simply a evolution of the ARPANET,

both in philosophy and in technology.

And all that took place from over the period 1971

to 1976 or so and we had the first internet

up and running in '75 or six when we put the ethernet

and the ARPANET together.

So those were good years, there was a lot to do

and it was obvious what to do and all these different

things had to fit together nicely, had to work together.

That was a lot of fun.

Robert, for you it was a lot of fun

but other people were afraid of these growing networks.

To them it seemed like cancer or a machine which we

perhaps couldn't control, what do you think about

such critics like Ted Kaczynski?

He's crazy, we have people like that in our society.

But he was a mathematician.

He studied in Harvard.

Yeah, Hitler was an artist, he studied in Vienna.

Did you read the manifesto?

You mean "Mein Kampf?"

No, the manifesto by the Unabomber.

No, I didn't read it.

I didn't read "Mein Kampf" either.

But what I am afraid of, I'm afraid of the Al-Qaeda,

I'm afraid of cancer.

But I don't know enough, if we knew how to cure cancer,

we had more knowledge in other words about cancer

then we wouldn't be afraid of it.

But you know cancer is an illness,

conquer it, illness?

It's an illness of the modern society, it's an illness

of civilization.

Yeah, but someday I believe we will understand

how to cure cancer or prohibit cancer.

I believe that will happen long before we have an

electronic battlefield or a machine that we can't control.

And when we know how to cure or prohibit cancer

we will know longer be afraid of it.

It's a question of knowledge.

Of eliminating ignorance.

Ignorance is a state of no knowledge.

Ignorance.

Not stupidity, that's something else, ignorance.

Causes fear.

But Afghanistan and this war and.

Let us agree on the challenge...

Committee, congressman,

thanks for being with us.

♪ There's no way, they could have made two ♪

But I can combine them because those two

forms are linearly implied,

are not linearly implied.

Experiments are conducted with mice.

Mice exposed to a toxic compound are compared

with others that were not exposed...

Have resulted in a perfect record of recovery.

As soon as the compound appears to have potential

as a chemical agent, studies begin.

By means of such studies, the best method for manufacturing

the compound and quantity are determined.

Listens to the psychologist speak.

Answers in turn.

Talks slowly, moves his legs slowly.

Seems quite slow in his gestures.

Tonight, the trial of Ted Kaczynski,

when mental illness meets the law.

It was a crazy beginning for the Unabomber trial

and crazy seems to be the right word.

Prosecutors believe he is linked to as many

as 16 bombings, bombings that killed three people

and maimed 23 others in states across the nation.

The former hermit has refused all court

ordered mental tests.

His attorneys say he's afraid of psychiatrists,

gets upset at the mere mention of their profession.

"Paranoid delusional thinking dictates

"Mr. Kaczynski's life."

He went on to say Kaczynski has "concern over government

"agents, satellites, electrodes, and mind control."

It's not surprising to me that a bonafide paranoid

schizophrenic person believes their delusions are reality.

And in terms of Ted Kaczynski's self appointed vengeance

mission, if he is to be considered insane, then everything

he's done will have no political effect and it will have

no meaning to society.

Lawyers and psychiatrists agree, Ted Kaczynski

clearly is not like the rest of us.

Joining us on this Friday evening, it's either a bomb

factory or the hall of the schizophrenic

depending on whom you ask.

That's what attorneys on both sides of the Unabomber

trial are saying about Ted Kaczynski's cabin which arrived

on the back of a big rig truck just before noon today.

He says Gloria...

Meanwhile, a key piece of evidence is on its way

to Sacramento, Kaczynski's cabin leaving

Great Falls, Montana this morning, being brought here

as a piece of evidence for the defense.

Expected to take three days for the driver

to complete the 1100 mile trip to Sacramento.

The cabin, which will be stored at Mather Field

is important to the defense strategy of portraying

Kaczynski as mentally disturbed.

The cabin measures just 10 by 12 feet.

There's no electricity, no running water.

Inside, FBI investigators found volumes of evidence

connecting the former professor to nearly all

the Unabomber crimes.

Did Ted Kaczynski have more than one cabin?

His own lawyers maintain the government was supposed

to find other secret shacks that Kaczynski had built

apparently to escape civilization.

For $250, but she wants more!

Well, now it's her turn to open one box

of Jiffy Pop popcorn...

Ted's home cabin, there became more and more people,

more people moving in, there was noise, he didn't have

the privacy he had when he first moved here.

I told you before when Ted moved here in 1971,

there was only four people living up here year round

so Ted had things pretty private.

Well, at time of his arrest, Butch has had all kinds

of neighbors move in and Ted liked to be by himself

where he could work without being surprised, having

somebody knock on his door or just show up

or somebody come by.

So he built this little cabin where he could go out into

the woods and live off the land and be completely content

and not have to worry about being surprised by anybody.

You'll see here in a kind of a scrap pile right here

and right underneath of this tin there was quite a few

short lengths of pipe that had been drilled.

The beginnings of an explosive device, bombs.

How's that? - Who is the photographer?

From this? - Me.

Yeah, but I've got some FBI photos too.

This is the cabin before...

Anything happened. - Anything happened.

When I talk to the FBI agents, just about every time

Max, Noel and I were in constant contact prior to

the arrest, I worked with him for about 30 days

doing photography missions, taking video, catching Ted

out behind the house but never on the camera,

all just sounds.

This was Ted's map. - Ted's map?

Yes, and this is his writing right down here.

What it says is routes followed on foot from

late autumn, '71.

All these black lines, handwritten lines

are Ted's trails. - Written in by Ted.

Yes, written in by Ted.

$1368!

It's an enigma, that's the best word I can come up with.

Because everything that he did he did experiments on

and he wrote down, very systematically.

And not just bomb experiments but other things,

very scientifically would right down how much of this

or that that he used, how successful it was

and in the areas of his bombs he was very meticulous.

When he would come up with a new mixture or a new type

of detonating cap, he would write down ranges and how

effective they were and all those kinds of things.

No, it's still too much, she's tying it up

and putting it in her cart!

And now here's Latishia's, paper towels!

She sees it, she's thinking...

And then later on after the FBI finally

started to cooperate with me,

then they gave me some copies of some of his

writings, about some of his camps and he uses words

like, "My most favorite place, my most sacred place."

We just looked at these a minute ago.

Yeah, I brought those along. - In fact, you have some

of them right here. - I've got the coded.

This is coded and he can read to you as Ted writes it.

It's all down right here and it's amazing.

And the FBI groups are waiting here

in Lincoln, sitting here...

The FBI was scattered all around the surrounding area,

hiding, posing as geologists, posing as truck drivers,

posing as this or that, very low cover.

Little did we know, out at the Seven-Up Ranch,

there was 70 more on computers

and working other areas, so they covered it real well.

In the field right around here there was probably,

what, 15 that were pretty regular?

Oh yeah, yeah. - I'd say.

Well, Max called me the night before the arrest, he said,

"Is it okay if I use the mill as a staging area

"for the arrest?"

He says, "I think I've got enough."

And I asked him, I said, "Max, well, how much do you

"expect to happen tomorrow, what do you have involved?"

He says, "It's gonna be overwhelming.

"There's gonna be press, there's gonna be a lot of press."

The next time you have to check at...

And on the arrest deal, he said, "How do you get him

"out of the house?"

And I said, "Well, just have Jerry, the forest service man,

"carry a map and stand on the road and just yell at Ted.

"And say, 'Hey, Ted, ' four or five times

"and he'll come out and he'll come to you and you don't

"have to go to him. He'll come to you and once he gets

"close enough to you, you'll be able to grab him."

And that's exactly what they did and it worked just great.

This is Franky West, for Supermarket Sweep!

Supermarket Sweep has been an Al Howard production!

Two bombs, one severely injuring a...

The idea of "Mirror Worlds", the book, was that

the institutions and the organizations that we deal with

every day that are becoming more complicated all the time

would be mirrored in software so that if I wanted to know

what was happening at the university, I could look at

the software image of the university and find out

what was being taught and who was saying what and what

was happening today and so forth.

If I needed to deal with a government agency or with

a company or with a hospital or with any organization,

the organization would be reflected in software.

Like a building reflected in water and the software version

of the organization would be easier for me to understand

and to deal with.

It seemed to me that with the rise of global computer

networks and more and more powerful desktop computers

that this would inevitably emerge.

Nobody can control it.

That's true.

But it's not necessarily bad, it's an organic system,

it's a distributed system, it's a system made of many

tens and hundreds and millions of human beings,

each one making his own decisions.

And the uncontrollability is not necessarily bad.

It makes things interesting.

Certainly there are conflicting trends for a long time.

The quality of American journalism declined because

we at Yale University and American universities were not

training students, high schools were not training students

because computers were making it easier and easier

to have fancy pictures instead of good writing.

But on the other hand, we're now seeing new, it's easier

to have a new TV station, it's easier to have a new

newspaper and computers have a lot to do with that also

because now you don't need a factory and a line to type

machine and it's much easier to produce a newspaper

and make it available, sell it on the internet or the web.

So technology helps to correct the errors and right

the wrongs that technology created in the first place

and the pendulum swings, an old theory, but nonetheless.

But David what's the outcome of

more and more TV stations?

When you got a letter bomb, that wasn't virtual,

it was reality and you, the victim, and the proposed

perpetrator were a real feast for the media.

You were even portrayed together in a fictional dialogue.

Why did you criticize the media for that?

It strikes me as always dangerous to approach human life

as if there were no moral component.

As if a murderer and a normal human being

are comparable and interchangeable.

That's a point of view with catastrophic implications.

Moral relativism, which I am implacably against

and always will be.

As I prepared the film, I had a talk

also with Stewart Brand, you know him, he's also

a ready and he said to me, "This is a genuine

"counterculture phenomenon that the Unabomber was doing.

"He was just saying culture is going in the wrong

"direction, I will fight it."

I think that's a contemptible, that's a despicable

thing to say.

It's a despicable thing to say.

We're talking about somebody who murdered human beings.

If he'd met the widow and the children as I have of men

this criminal had murdered, he would be less eager

to describe him as a mere counterculture phenomenon.

That's the sort of thing that makes me angry.

There's no attack for a political language

or you know in the history it's...

Once a man is a murderer, I don't give a damn

what his opinions are, his opinions are of no

interest to me.

What I know about him is that he's a murderer,

a creator of pain and suffering.

And his opinions are disqualified from being

of interest to any civilized human being.

♪ Well I'm going ♪

♪ This grin ♪

♪ I'm going, I'm going ♪

♪ In this prison, in this prison ♪

Move down the path,

move down the path.

♪ He don't still know ♪

♪ Look in the mirror, go, let's go ♪

♪ I'm the devil, devil, I know one thing ♪

Reality isn't this thing in front of us

on a proscenium stage, it's a mobile piece.

We are creating technologies, then we are the technologies.

Well, he was saying that culture's going

a whole direction here and I think it's a dangerous

direction and I will personally prevent it from going there.

So those were good years and there was a lot

to do and it's obvious what to do and all these different

things had to fit together nicely, they had to work

together, that was a lot of fun.

It's an enigma, that's the best word

I can come up with because everything that he did,

he did experiments on and he wrote down very systematically.

Nobody can control it, that's true, but it's not

necessarily bad, it's an organic system,

it's a distributed system.

It's a system made of many tens and hundreds and millions

of human beings, each one making his own decisions.

And the uncontrollability is not necessarily bad.

It makes things interesting.