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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,934 --> 00:00:19,937 [โ™ชโ™ชโ™ช] 2 00:00:29,655 --> 00:00:32,283 [tense music] 3 00:00:49,091 --> 00:00:52,678 [tense music] 4 00:01:10,362 --> 00:01:11,739 [gunshot] 5 00:01:20,539 --> 00:01:25,795 [dramatic music] 6 00:01:33,928 --> 00:01:35,471 [Whoopi Goldberg] The one physician present 7 00:01:35,554 --> 00:01:37,181 at both Parkland Hospital 8 00:01:37,264 --> 00:01:39,934 and the Bethesda morgue was George Burkley, 9 00:01:40,017 --> 00:01:41,894 Kennedy's personal doctor. 10 00:01:42,770 --> 00:01:45,272 Like Knudsen, he was a Navy officer 11 00:01:45,356 --> 00:01:47,942 and as a rear admiral, he ranked above him. 12 00:01:48,692 --> 00:01:51,362 Burkley signed the autopsy descriptive sheet 13 00:01:51,529 --> 00:01:54,698 with a bullet in the back at the level of T-3. 14 00:01:55,366 --> 00:01:57,785 And he also signed Kennedy's death certificate, 15 00:01:57,868 --> 00:02:00,287 which also placed that wound in the back. 16 00:02:00,579 --> 00:02:01,747 That death certificate 17 00:02:01,914 --> 00:02:04,708 is not in the Warren Commission volumes, 18 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:08,295 and the descriptive sheet in the Commission volumes 19 00:02:08,379 --> 00:02:10,631 does not have Burkley's signature. 20 00:02:12,049 --> 00:02:14,844 Arlen Specter did not depose George Burkley, 21 00:02:14,927 --> 00:02:16,929 but Burkley went further than that. 22 00:02:26,605 --> 00:02:28,190 [Goldberg] Dr. Burkley did an interview 23 00:02:28,274 --> 00:02:30,943 with the JFK Library in 1967 24 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:32,736 and was asked this question: 25 00:02:43,956 --> 00:02:46,375 [Goldberg] In 1977, through his lawyer, 26 00:02:46,458 --> 00:02:48,419 he wrote a letter to Richard Sprague, 27 00:02:48,502 --> 00:02:51,130 chief counsel of the House Select Committee 28 00:02:51,213 --> 00:02:52,548 on Assassinations. 29 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,133 He said he had information 30 00:02:54,216 --> 00:02:55,968 indicating that others 31 00:02:56,051 --> 00:02:58,888 besides Oswald must have participated 32 00:02:58,971 --> 00:03:00,389 in the assassination. 33 00:03:00,472 --> 00:03:03,309 He was willing to talk about it at this time. 34 00:03:03,767 --> 00:03:06,061 Sprague, who had made clear his intention 35 00:03:06,145 --> 00:03:08,939 to fully investigate the CIA's involvement, 36 00:03:09,023 --> 00:03:11,025 was forced out two weeks later. 37 00:03:11,108 --> 00:03:13,527 Dr. Burkley submitted a written statement 38 00:03:13,611 --> 00:03:15,070 to the House Select Committee, 39 00:03:15,154 --> 00:03:16,989 but there is no official record 40 00:03:17,072 --> 00:03:19,408 of him being deposed as a witness. 41 00:03:20,117 --> 00:03:24,121 -In 1982, he told JFK researcher Henry Hurt, 42 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:25,623 "I know there was more than one gunman." 43 00:03:25,706 --> 00:03:28,334 And when Henry Hurt tried to recontact Burkley 44 00:03:28,417 --> 00:03:30,419 for more details, Berkeley cut him off at the knees. 45 00:03:30,502 --> 00:03:31,962 "I don't want to talk about it anymore." 46 00:03:32,046 --> 00:03:34,965 The very next year, Burkley talked to Michael Kurtz, 47 00:03:35,049 --> 00:03:37,718 another JFK researcher, told him that he knew 48 00:03:37,801 --> 00:03:39,261 there was a conspiracy to kill the president, 49 00:03:39,345 --> 00:03:41,180 and that he recalled an exit wound 50 00:03:41,263 --> 00:03:42,890 in the back of President Kennedy's head. 51 00:03:42,973 --> 00:03:44,683 Now, that's a very significant statement, 52 00:03:44,892 --> 00:03:47,937 that the only doctor we know of who was present at both 53 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:51,398 Parkland for treatment, and at Bethesda during the autopsy, 54 00:03:51,774 --> 00:03:53,776 told Michael Kurtz in 1983 55 00:03:53,859 --> 00:03:56,070 that Kennedy had an exit wound in the back of his head. 56 00:03:56,153 --> 00:03:58,155 When Kurtz tried to recontact Burkley, 57 00:03:58,238 --> 00:03:59,823 Burkley cut him off the knees: 58 00:03:59,907 --> 00:04:01,492 "I don't want to talk about this anymore." 59 00:04:01,575 --> 00:04:02,910 Dr. Burkley was deceased 60 00:04:02,993 --> 00:04:04,995 by the time the Review Board was impaneled. 61 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,332 So then Jeremy decided, well, we can ask 62 00:04:09,041 --> 00:04:10,250 the executor of his estate, 63 00:04:10,334 --> 00:04:12,044 his daughter, to sign a waiver 64 00:04:12,503 --> 00:04:13,545 so that we could 65 00:04:13,629 --> 00:04:16,465 go to the law firm that Mr. Illig used to work for, 66 00:04:16,548 --> 00:04:17,841 because he was deceased also, 67 00:04:17,925 --> 00:04:19,343 and see if there were any records 68 00:04:19,426 --> 00:04:22,346 in the file of Mr. Illig that would have revealed 69 00:04:22,429 --> 00:04:25,099 what it was he wanted to tell the HSCA in detail. 70 00:04:25,474 --> 00:04:26,976 And she said she would do that. 71 00:04:27,184 --> 00:04:28,811 And then Jeremy called her on the phone, 72 00:04:28,894 --> 00:04:30,604 she had completely changed her mind 73 00:04:30,688 --> 00:04:32,648 and adamantly refused to sign it, 74 00:04:32,731 --> 00:04:34,316 and terminated the phone call. 75 00:04:34,566 --> 00:04:36,276 -When I was a teenager, 76 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,490 Dr. Burkley and his family, four children, 77 00:04:41,615 --> 00:04:44,868 and my father and our family of four children, 78 00:04:45,077 --> 00:04:49,456 shared a duplex, lived together at the Newport Naval Hospital. 79 00:04:49,915 --> 00:04:52,960 He had a son, George, who was my age, 16, 80 00:04:53,168 --> 00:04:54,586 and we became buddies. 81 00:04:54,753 --> 00:04:57,172 I looked him up again in 2012 82 00:04:57,381 --> 00:05:00,509 and I asked him about what his dad had told him 83 00:05:00,592 --> 00:05:04,179 and his siblings about his role in the Kennedy case. 84 00:05:04,722 --> 00:05:08,058 That the only thing that he would say was that 85 00:05:08,142 --> 00:05:10,352 he couldn't understand why the Warren Commission 86 00:05:10,436 --> 00:05:12,312 never asked him to testify. 87 00:05:12,730 --> 00:05:15,190 Dr. Burkley knew perfectly well 88 00:05:15,274 --> 00:05:18,485 why he wasn't asked to testify before the Warren Commission. 89 00:05:18,777 --> 00:05:21,238 The reason he didn't say anything to his children, 90 00:05:21,697 --> 00:05:23,407 he didn't want them to know 91 00:05:23,490 --> 00:05:26,160 that he was intimately involved in the cover-up. 92 00:05:26,827 --> 00:05:28,704 Dr. Burkley's death certificate 93 00:05:29,204 --> 00:05:31,915 makes the single bullet theory bogus. 94 00:05:32,374 --> 00:05:34,710 And the way the Warren Commission dealt with it was, 95 00:05:35,002 --> 00:05:37,629 they didn't publish the death certificate. 96 00:05:40,090 --> 00:05:43,635 -If the ARRB had been a criminal investigation, 97 00:05:43,719 --> 00:05:46,388 would you have granted Burkley immunity for his testimony? 98 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,016 -We should have re-deposed Humes and Boswell 99 00:05:49,558 --> 00:05:51,226 after giving them immunity. 100 00:05:51,310 --> 00:05:52,686 And if Burkley had still been around, 101 00:05:52,770 --> 00:05:54,396 he would have been another candidate 102 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,608 because he was at the center of the photographic cover-up. 103 00:05:57,900 --> 00:06:00,194 By the way, George Burkley was a Rear Admiral. 104 00:06:00,444 --> 00:06:03,197 He was promoted to Vice Admiral by Lyndon Johnson. 105 00:06:03,405 --> 00:06:05,741 So he promoted Burkley to the highest possible rank, 106 00:06:05,824 --> 00:06:07,659 kept him on as military physician, 107 00:06:07,910 --> 00:06:09,953 and the last person to walk out of the White House 108 00:06:10,037 --> 00:06:12,122 with Lyndon Johnson the day he left office 109 00:06:12,206 --> 00:06:14,416 was George Burkley. 110 00:06:22,466 --> 00:06:24,426 [man] [on tape] using the most precise medical terminology 111 00:06:24,510 --> 00:06:25,511 that you can use. 112 00:06:25,636 --> 00:06:26,762 [Audrey Bell] [on tape] Okay, let's say 113 00:06:26,845 --> 00:06:29,807 it was on the right rear. 114 00:06:53,664 --> 00:06:56,291 [Goldberg] In addition to this large avulsion of wound 115 00:06:56,375 --> 00:06:57,876 in the rear of the skull, 116 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,629 seven personnel at Parkland Hospital 117 00:07:00,712 --> 00:07:03,632 saw cerebellum at the bottom of the skull. 118 00:07:04,299 --> 00:07:05,801 [Cyril Wecht] The brain consists of two 119 00:07:05,884 --> 00:07:07,719 large cerebral hemispheres. 120 00:07:08,387 --> 00:07:11,306 And then lower down, posteriorly, 121 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:14,393 are two hemispheres, the cerebellum. 122 00:07:14,643 --> 00:07:16,854 They differ in coloration. 123 00:07:16,937 --> 00:07:20,440 They differ in the topographical markings. 124 00:07:21,233 --> 00:07:23,068 -So seven doctors at Parkland Hospital 125 00:07:23,152 --> 00:07:25,237 claim to have seen the cerebellum. 126 00:07:25,529 --> 00:07:28,949 -In 1963, it was one of the top trauma centers 127 00:07:29,032 --> 00:07:31,285 in the country, and it's still one of the top trauma centers. 128 00:07:31,660 --> 00:07:34,830 Dr. Robert McClelland saw a clump of the cerebellum, 129 00:07:34,913 --> 00:07:37,541 a large clump, fall out of the skull 130 00:07:37,749 --> 00:07:39,418 onto the emergency room bed. 131 00:07:39,710 --> 00:07:41,545 -In my mind, as surely 132 00:07:41,628 --> 00:07:44,506 as you can ever be about any observation, 133 00:07:44,590 --> 00:07:49,386 that was cerebellum that extruded onto the gurney 134 00:07:49,595 --> 00:07:51,430 while I was standing there looking at it. 135 00:07:51,930 --> 00:07:54,057 [Michael Chesser] Then we have Dr. Kemp Clark. 136 00:07:54,141 --> 00:07:56,560 He went into detail with the Warren Commission 137 00:07:56,643 --> 00:07:59,771 about the result of all this loss of cerebellar tissue 138 00:07:59,855 --> 00:08:03,567 if President Kennedy had survived the-- the wound. 139 00:08:04,151 --> 00:08:07,112 So there was no doubt that there was loss of cerebellar tissue. 140 00:08:07,988 --> 00:08:09,615 [Goldberg] This reliable eyewitness 141 00:08:09,698 --> 00:08:10,991 testimony indicates 142 00:08:11,074 --> 00:08:15,037 that the wound in Kennedy's rear skull extended quite low. 143 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,414 And also, there was severe damage 144 00:08:17,497 --> 00:08:19,082 to that sector of the brain. 145 00:08:19,291 --> 00:08:22,711 Yet, in the autopsy report written at Bethesda 146 00:08:22,794 --> 00:08:26,882 by James Humes, there is no mention of the cerebellum, 147 00:08:26,965 --> 00:08:31,011 and he did not testify about it to the Warren Commission. 148 00:08:31,261 --> 00:08:36,183 -So these guys, good old Texan, respected doctors, 149 00:08:36,266 --> 00:08:39,436 and they've seen hundreds and thousands of brains, 150 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:40,896 especially the neurosurgeon, 151 00:08:40,979 --> 00:08:44,149 saw cerebellum having been damaged, 152 00:08:44,233 --> 00:08:49,238 significantly displaced, in the occipital area. 153 00:08:49,780 --> 00:08:52,199 The doctors who did the autopsy, 154 00:08:52,282 --> 00:08:55,452 read the autopsy report from Humes and Boswell. 155 00:08:56,203 --> 00:08:57,788 The cerebellum is intact. 156 00:08:58,664 --> 00:08:59,873 Who do you believe? 157 00:09:00,249 --> 00:09:03,168 Do you believe these Texas doctors? 158 00:09:03,460 --> 00:09:07,172 Or do you believe the two career naval pathologists 159 00:09:07,256 --> 00:09:09,007 working under military control? 160 00:09:09,258 --> 00:09:11,009 Who do you believe as to whether or not 161 00:09:11,093 --> 00:09:12,469 the cerebellum was damaged? 162 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:14,680 [Goldberg] There were many witnesses 163 00:09:14,763 --> 00:09:18,642 at Parkland and Bethesda who, in addition to seeing 164 00:09:18,725 --> 00:09:21,270 damaged cerebellum, also testified 165 00:09:21,561 --> 00:09:24,022 to seeing a severely damaged brain. 166 00:09:24,564 --> 00:09:26,775 -At Parkland, we have witnesses. 167 00:09:27,609 --> 00:09:30,862 One, Dr. Midgett saw brain matter 168 00:09:30,946 --> 00:09:34,408 sprayed all over the interior of the limousine. 169 00:09:34,866 --> 00:09:35,909 [Goldberg] Interestingly, 170 00:09:35,993 --> 00:09:38,662 the Secret Service washed out parts of the limo 171 00:09:38,745 --> 00:09:40,622 before shipping it to Washington, 172 00:09:40,706 --> 00:09:44,334 thus removing brain, blood, and tissue evidence 173 00:09:44,418 --> 00:09:45,711 from the crime scene. 174 00:09:46,211 --> 00:09:47,671 -Anybody who's seen the Zapruder film 175 00:09:47,796 --> 00:09:49,506 can see Kennedy's head explodes 176 00:09:49,589 --> 00:09:50,841 and debris flies all over the place. 177 00:09:51,091 --> 00:09:52,175 Now Jackie Kennedy 178 00:09:52,259 --> 00:09:54,136 climbed out onto the trunk of the limousine, 179 00:09:54,219 --> 00:09:56,346 picked up a chunk of the president's brain, 180 00:09:56,555 --> 00:09:58,682 had it with her, took it in, and gave it to 181 00:09:58,765 --> 00:10:01,018 one of the doctors at Parkland Hospital. 182 00:10:01,310 --> 00:10:03,270 -And then we have Dr. McClelland talking about 183 00:10:03,353 --> 00:10:05,272 the large clump of the cerebellum 184 00:10:05,355 --> 00:10:07,816 that fell out onto the emergency room bed. 185 00:10:07,899 --> 00:10:09,568 -And when you look at the autopsy photographs 186 00:10:09,651 --> 00:10:11,403 of the brain, which I've seen the originals of, 187 00:10:11,486 --> 00:10:13,363 you can just see that the brain is disrupted. 188 00:10:13,447 --> 00:10:15,449 But very little of the tissue is missing. 189 00:10:15,532 --> 00:10:17,951 Then we look at the autopsy report of the brain, 190 00:10:18,035 --> 00:10:20,329 at what they call the supplemental brain examination. 191 00:10:20,412 --> 00:10:22,164 The brain in evidence, that's weighed there, 192 00:10:22,331 --> 00:10:23,957 weighs 1,500 grams. 193 00:10:24,207 --> 00:10:25,542 -Fifteen hundred grams is-- 194 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:28,962 is above the average weight of an adult male brain. 195 00:10:29,046 --> 00:10:31,923 There was one report of 8,000 autopsies, 196 00:10:32,007 --> 00:10:34,801 and the average weight of an adult male brain 197 00:10:34,885 --> 00:10:36,803 was 1,336 grams, 198 00:10:36,887 --> 00:10:40,515 so they're saying that President Kennedy's brain 199 00:10:40,599 --> 00:10:42,267 was well above the average weight. 200 00:10:42,434 --> 00:10:44,269 -Where did all that brain tissue disappear to 201 00:10:44,353 --> 00:10:46,188 that flies around Dealey Plaza, that's-- 202 00:10:46,271 --> 00:10:47,981 that Jackie has in her hand, 203 00:10:48,065 --> 00:10:49,775 that everybody's picking off of their clothes? 204 00:10:49,858 --> 00:10:52,986 -An FBI agent, Frank O'Neill, told the review board 205 00:10:53,070 --> 00:10:55,906 that over half of the mass of the brain was missing. 206 00:10:55,989 --> 00:10:57,908 He saw the brain removed at the autopsy. 207 00:10:57,991 --> 00:10:59,743 A lot of the mass missing was in the back. 208 00:10:59,826 --> 00:11:02,329 That's what mortician Tom Robinson said. 209 00:11:02,579 --> 00:11:05,290 -So it's impossible for the actual weight 210 00:11:05,374 --> 00:11:08,293 of President Kennedy's brain to be 1,500 grams. 211 00:11:08,835 --> 00:11:10,087 This is just one more reason 212 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:12,547 why this cannot be President Kennedy's brain, 213 00:11:12,881 --> 00:11:15,967 uh, the photographs that we have stored at the Archives. 214 00:11:16,843 --> 00:11:20,180 -What's the purpose of sectioning a brain, 215 00:11:20,263 --> 00:11:21,515 and how is it done? 216 00:11:21,765 --> 00:11:26,061 -When a brain is to be examined in detail, uh, you-- 217 00:11:26,144 --> 00:11:27,813 you don't do it in the fresh state. 218 00:11:28,063 --> 00:11:30,816 A fresh brain has the consistency 219 00:11:30,899 --> 00:11:33,360 of a well-done soft-boiled egg. 220 00:11:33,443 --> 00:11:34,486 I don't mean to be crude, 221 00:11:34,569 --> 00:11:37,114 but this is the best metaphor I can think of. 222 00:11:37,197 --> 00:11:39,741 You fix it in formalin, and in two weeks, 223 00:11:39,825 --> 00:11:43,370 the consistency becomes that of a hard-boiled egg. 224 00:11:43,453 --> 00:11:47,082 And now, think of slicing a hard-boiled egg. 225 00:11:47,541 --> 00:11:50,335 They say, and look at the Warren Commission report, 226 00:11:50,419 --> 00:11:52,754 look at the autopsy report, it says, 227 00:11:52,838 --> 00:11:56,258 serial sections, parallel sections, of the brain 228 00:11:56,341 --> 00:11:59,803 are not made in order to preserve the specimen. 229 00:12:00,137 --> 00:12:02,097 Preserve the specimen? For whom? 230 00:12:02,180 --> 00:12:04,141 For Jacqueline Kennedy's mantelpiece? 231 00:12:04,307 --> 00:12:05,725 For the president's grandchildren? 232 00:12:05,809 --> 00:12:07,811 For a museum? Preserve it for whom? 233 00:12:08,270 --> 00:12:09,521 -Without sectioning the brain, 234 00:12:09,604 --> 00:12:11,731 uh, there was no way for them to-- 235 00:12:11,815 --> 00:12:15,735 to properly trace the trajectory of the wounds. 236 00:12:15,819 --> 00:12:17,904 -The review board had a consultant, 237 00:12:18,822 --> 00:12:20,574 a renowned forensic pathologist. 238 00:12:21,825 --> 00:12:23,326 He looked at the brain photographs 239 00:12:23,410 --> 00:12:26,496 and he said, "This is a very well-fixed brain. 240 00:12:27,164 --> 00:12:29,708 It's all gray. It's not pink at all. 241 00:12:29,791 --> 00:12:32,794 It's been fixed for two or three weeks in formaldehyde." 242 00:12:33,044 --> 00:12:34,713 It's been fixed at least two weeks, 243 00:12:34,796 --> 00:12:36,006 maybe as long as three weeks. 244 00:12:36,256 --> 00:12:38,216 I looked at Jeremy Gunn and he looked at me, 245 00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:39,718 and the hair stood up on the back of my neck 246 00:12:40,093 --> 00:12:43,263 because I knew that JFK's brain was examined 247 00:12:44,222 --> 00:12:46,183 less than three days after he was killed. 248 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:48,518 -One can only imagine that they wanted 249 00:12:48,602 --> 00:12:51,563 the damage to the brain to be consistent with 250 00:12:51,646 --> 00:12:54,399 the hypothesis that Oswald had done the shooting. 251 00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:56,151 So if you had a defect 252 00:12:56,234 --> 00:12:57,360 going all the way to the back of the head, 253 00:12:57,444 --> 00:12:59,362 like so many witnesses testified to it, 254 00:12:59,696 --> 00:13:04,201 it might raise questions about whether that huge defect 255 00:13:04,284 --> 00:13:05,494 could have been caused-- been caused by 256 00:13:05,577 --> 00:13:06,745 a single shot to the head, 257 00:13:06,828 --> 00:13:08,497 as Oswald was supposed to have done. 258 00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:11,541 -There are two photographs of the brain at the Archives. 259 00:13:11,625 --> 00:13:13,585 I viewed those in 2015. 260 00:13:14,085 --> 00:13:16,171 The brain looked to me to be distorted. 261 00:13:16,296 --> 00:13:18,381 My first thought was that the brain had been sitting 262 00:13:18,465 --> 00:13:20,467 in a jar of formaldehyde for a long time. 263 00:13:21,718 --> 00:13:25,388 At a teaching hospital, there was no shortage of brains. 264 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,349 Autopsies were very frequent. 265 00:13:27,432 --> 00:13:31,061 Frequently, the brain was saved for teaching medical students, 266 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,189 so it would not have been difficult to find a brain, 267 00:13:34,272 --> 00:13:36,149 a replacement for these photographs. 268 00:13:42,697 --> 00:13:46,117 -Dr. Humes destroyed his original autopsy notes. 269 00:13:46,201 --> 00:13:48,245 Now, Dr. Humes, the chief autopsy pathologist, 270 00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:49,913 and what we all know as doctors, 271 00:13:50,205 --> 00:13:52,040 notes taken while you're doing something 272 00:13:52,123 --> 00:13:54,000 are much, are much more important, 273 00:13:54,209 --> 00:13:57,254 and are likely to be closer to the truth 274 00:13:57,337 --> 00:13:58,588 than anything you write later. 275 00:13:58,672 --> 00:14:01,132 And he admitted that he-- he destroyed autopsy notes. 276 00:14:01,341 --> 00:14:03,635 -You destroyed your original notes 277 00:14:03,718 --> 00:14:05,136 in a medical legal autopsy? 278 00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:08,431 And remember, that night, Oswald is still alive. 279 00:14:08,515 --> 00:14:11,476 You're going to be asked, Doctor, at some point in time, 280 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:14,729 under oath, to give sworn testimony, 281 00:14:14,813 --> 00:14:16,940 "Why did you destroy those notes, Doctor? 282 00:14:17,023 --> 00:14:19,985 Doesn't a pathologist keep his notes?" 283 00:14:20,151 --> 00:14:22,737 -And he said, "Well, I just destroyed my own autopsy notes 284 00:14:22,821 --> 00:14:25,073 because they were splattered with the president's blood. 285 00:14:25,156 --> 00:14:27,993 And I didn't want them to become objects of morbid curiosity." 286 00:14:28,201 --> 00:14:30,161 The third doctor, Dr. Finck, who was there, 287 00:14:30,245 --> 00:14:31,371 also wrote some notes 288 00:14:31,454 --> 00:14:33,081 and complained bitterly about the fact 289 00:14:33,164 --> 00:14:34,708 that his notes disappeared, too. 290 00:14:34,833 --> 00:14:36,876 -He was so upset because he had to go home 291 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,296 and reconstruct all his notes from memory. 292 00:14:40,213 --> 00:14:42,591 [Goldberg] Today, after almost 60 years, 293 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:46,177 due to an incomplete and questionable autopsy, 294 00:14:46,261 --> 00:14:48,847 no one can say for sure what happened. 295 00:14:49,306 --> 00:14:51,391 A riddle, like the Sphinx. 296 00:14:54,728 --> 00:14:58,940 The complete set of autopsy and brain examination photographs 297 00:14:59,024 --> 00:15:01,610 are housed at the National Archives, 298 00:15:01,693 --> 00:15:04,738 but are only available to Congressional researchers 299 00:15:04,821 --> 00:15:08,491 and those experts authorized by the Kennedy family. 300 00:15:09,326 --> 00:15:11,453 -Who was the autopsy photographer? 301 00:15:11,745 --> 00:15:12,787 -John Stringer. 302 00:15:12,954 --> 00:15:15,582 He was a Navy civilian. He was widely respected. 303 00:15:15,665 --> 00:15:17,834 He had written a textbook on medical photography 304 00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:18,835 for the Navy. 305 00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:20,128 So he was the photographer of record. 306 00:15:20,211 --> 00:15:22,380 He photographed the autopsy itself, 307 00:15:22,464 --> 00:15:25,050 and also photographed the president's brain 308 00:15:25,300 --> 00:15:26,343 three days later. 309 00:15:26,593 --> 00:15:29,304 -So the brain autopsy or autopsies, 310 00:15:29,387 --> 00:15:33,099 there were probably two such events, occurred later, 311 00:15:33,183 --> 00:15:35,060 and were not done on November 22nd. 312 00:15:35,477 --> 00:15:37,937 John Stringer reports that he was present 313 00:15:38,021 --> 00:15:39,272 at the brain autopsy, 314 00:15:39,356 --> 00:15:42,108 which apparently occurred on the Monday after, 315 00:15:42,192 --> 00:15:43,943 which would have been November 25th. 316 00:15:44,152 --> 00:15:47,072 -We were very careful to question Mr. Stringer 317 00:15:47,155 --> 00:15:48,907 at the very beginning of his deposition 318 00:15:48,990 --> 00:15:50,950 about all the photographs he took, 319 00:15:51,034 --> 00:15:54,204 and ask him what kind of film he used for black and white. 320 00:15:54,287 --> 00:15:55,830 What kind of film he used for color. 321 00:15:56,247 --> 00:15:57,624 Jeremy Gunn showed Stringer 322 00:15:57,707 --> 00:16:01,252 the color positive transparencies of the brain. 323 00:16:01,795 --> 00:16:04,381 And Stringer immediately noted, "Well, these aren't Kodak. 324 00:16:04,464 --> 00:16:06,257 These might be ANSCO." "Also," he says, 325 00:16:06,341 --> 00:16:08,510 "I don't see the name of the manufacturer on here, but" 326 00:16:08,677 --> 00:16:10,387 he said, "these might be ANSCO," he says, 327 00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:12,305 "but these don't have the right notches in the corner." 328 00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:14,724 So Jeremy Gunn said, "Did you use this film 329 00:16:14,808 --> 00:16:17,185 with these notches in it when you shot the brain?" 330 00:16:17,268 --> 00:16:18,728 And he says, "Not as far as I know." 331 00:16:18,812 --> 00:16:22,232 Half of the brain photos are taken of a brain from above. 332 00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:23,483 Superior views. 333 00:16:23,692 --> 00:16:25,026 Which is what Stringer said he shot 334 00:16:25,193 --> 00:16:26,778 of the complete organ. 335 00:16:27,028 --> 00:16:29,406 But the other half of the brain photos in the Archives 336 00:16:29,489 --> 00:16:32,242 are taken of the bottom, called basilar views. 337 00:16:32,617 --> 00:16:34,035 "Did you take basilar views?" 338 00:16:34,119 --> 00:16:36,037 And Stringer said, "No, not as far as I know." 339 00:16:36,121 --> 00:16:39,082 -He testified to, as did, uh, 340 00:16:39,165 --> 00:16:41,209 uh, two of the autopsy pathologists, 341 00:16:41,543 --> 00:16:44,713 that they took photographs of Jack Kennedy's head 342 00:16:44,796 --> 00:16:47,048 by peeling back the scalp to demonstrate 343 00:16:47,132 --> 00:16:49,467 the entrance wound in the back of the skull, 344 00:16:49,718 --> 00:16:51,302 both from the inside of the skull 345 00:16:51,386 --> 00:16:52,637 and the outside of the skull. 346 00:16:52,887 --> 00:16:54,639 There are no such photographs in the file. 347 00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:58,476 -What we have here is evidence 348 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,896 that impugns the authenticity of the brain photographs 349 00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:03,189 in the National Archives. 350 00:17:03,398 --> 00:17:06,359 If there was a trial today, these brain photographs 351 00:17:06,443 --> 00:17:08,236 would not be admissible as evidence. 352 00:17:08,653 --> 00:17:11,156 [Goldberg] Doesn't this all lead to the question, 353 00:17:11,239 --> 00:17:13,783 if Stringer did not take these photographs, 354 00:17:13,908 --> 00:17:15,160 then who did? 355 00:17:21,124 --> 00:17:24,461 Robert Knudsen was one of the most fascinating stories 356 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:26,296 that the Review Board encountered. 357 00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:28,631 Knudsen was a Navy photographer 358 00:17:28,715 --> 00:17:31,926 who was detailed to the White House in 1958. 359 00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:34,971 If you read his obituaries in The New York Times 360 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:37,390 and the Washington Post, you will see 361 00:17:37,474 --> 00:17:38,933 that he is credited with 362 00:17:39,017 --> 00:17:41,186 photographing Kennedy's autopsy, 363 00:17:41,269 --> 00:17:44,314 except officially, he was not. 364 00:17:44,814 --> 00:17:47,609 [Douglas Horne] Robert Knudsen was not interviewed 365 00:17:47,692 --> 00:17:48,902 by the Warren Commission. 366 00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:52,572 So they finally found Robert Knudsen in 1978. 367 00:17:53,031 --> 00:17:55,158 And to its credit, the House Select Committee 368 00:17:55,325 --> 00:17:56,618 did a deposition of him. 369 00:17:56,951 --> 00:17:59,454 To their discredit, they never published it, 370 00:17:59,537 --> 00:18:00,955 they buried it for 50 years. 371 00:18:01,498 --> 00:18:03,541 And it got released in 1993. 372 00:18:03,917 --> 00:18:05,251 And I know why they buried it. 373 00:18:05,335 --> 00:18:08,463 Because everything he told them about autopsy photography 374 00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:10,924 contradicted what they thought they knew in the official record. 375 00:18:11,216 --> 00:18:12,592 -What did Knudsen tell them? 376 00:18:13,134 --> 00:18:16,137 -So he says, "Berkeley had me develop 377 00:18:16,221 --> 00:18:19,140 these black and white negatives on Saturday, November 23rd, 378 00:18:19,224 --> 00:18:20,391 and that's when I saw photographs 379 00:18:20,475 --> 00:18:21,684 of probes in the body." 380 00:18:22,060 --> 00:18:23,102 "Well, they didn't like that." 381 00:18:23,186 --> 00:18:24,813 They really didn't know whether to believe him or not, 382 00:18:24,896 --> 00:18:26,648 because there are no pictures of probes in the body, 383 00:18:26,731 --> 00:18:27,816 in the official collection. 384 00:18:27,899 --> 00:18:29,901 But he was sure that he developed those negatives 385 00:18:29,984 --> 00:18:30,985 and saw them. 386 00:18:31,444 --> 00:18:33,863 -He has never said he took photographs of the brain, 387 00:18:33,947 --> 00:18:35,824 but he implies that he was very busy 388 00:18:35,907 --> 00:18:37,492 taking photographs of the body. 389 00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:39,661 His wife was interviewed later 390 00:18:39,744 --> 00:18:42,080 by the Assassination Records Review Board. 391 00:18:42,205 --> 00:18:45,458 He told her that the photographs had been burned, 392 00:18:45,667 --> 00:18:47,418 deliberately, by the Secret Service, 393 00:18:47,961 --> 00:18:50,046 and that one photograph in particular, 394 00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:51,631 presumably the back of the head, 395 00:18:51,714 --> 00:18:53,508 had been severely altered. 396 00:18:53,591 --> 00:18:57,720 Gloria Knudsen was so disturbed by this after his death in 1989 397 00:18:57,804 --> 00:19:00,473 that she actually contacted some of his colleagues 398 00:19:00,557 --> 00:19:02,934 there in the Navy, and they assured her 399 00:19:03,017 --> 00:19:05,687 that this was what he had told them, too. 400 00:19:06,354 --> 00:19:08,481 In fact, he had told them 401 00:19:08,773 --> 00:19:13,236 that he had seen photographs of the back of JFK's head 402 00:19:13,319 --> 00:19:17,532 that showed a large wound, low in the back of the head. 403 00:19:17,699 --> 00:19:20,451 -Stringer's still the autopsy photographer of record. 404 00:19:20,869 --> 00:19:23,788 I think they both took pictures. And I personally think 405 00:19:23,872 --> 00:19:25,498 that many of John Stringer's pictures 406 00:19:25,582 --> 00:19:27,292 never made it into the official collection. 407 00:19:27,375 --> 00:19:28,710 And a lot of the ones we're looking at 408 00:19:28,793 --> 00:19:30,211 are Robert Knudsen's pictures. 409 00:19:31,421 --> 00:19:32,672 [David Mantik] Saundra Spencer worked 410 00:19:32,755 --> 00:19:36,467 at the Anacostia Facility, the Naval Photographic Center, 411 00:19:36,593 --> 00:19:38,553 which is quite separate from the Bethesda lab. 412 00:19:39,137 --> 00:19:42,765 And that weekend, she received film from both James Fox 413 00:19:42,932 --> 00:19:45,268 in the Secret Service, and from Robert Knudsen. 414 00:19:45,476 --> 00:19:48,104 [Douglas Horne] The photographs that Saundra Spencer developed, 415 00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:50,440 which never made it into the official record. 416 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:52,984 The only evidence we have of them is her testimony. 417 00:19:55,111 --> 00:19:57,113 Saundra Spencer was visibly upset 418 00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:59,824 when she looked at the official autopsy photographs. 419 00:19:59,991 --> 00:20:00,992 She started to cry. 420 00:20:01,075 --> 00:20:02,410 [Oliver Stone] In front of the Review Board? 421 00:20:02,493 --> 00:20:03,536 [Douglas Horne] Yes, she started to cry 422 00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:04,746 in front of Jeremy and I, 423 00:20:04,829 --> 00:20:06,497 and the person from the Archives. 424 00:20:06,748 --> 00:20:09,375 Because, she said, "I developed pictures 425 00:20:09,459 --> 00:20:11,628 of him and his family for almost three years, 426 00:20:11,753 --> 00:20:12,962 and he never looked like this." 427 00:20:13,046 --> 00:20:14,714 And she said, "He did not look this bad 428 00:20:15,131 --> 00:20:17,216 in the photographs I developed on Sunday." 429 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:19,886 She said, "He looks terrible in these photographs. 430 00:20:19,969 --> 00:20:20,970 He's all beat up. 431 00:20:21,054 --> 00:20:22,847 There's blood everywhere, that open body cavity." 432 00:20:22,931 --> 00:20:24,807 She said, "There were no open body cavities. 433 00:20:24,891 --> 00:20:26,809 It was very cleaned up. It was very respectful." 434 00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:28,686 And in one of the photographs she developed, 435 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,189 there was a brain, an intact brain 436 00:20:31,272 --> 00:20:34,067 sitting next to the body, the nude body of the president. 437 00:20:34,484 --> 00:20:36,152 Strange, first of all, that it's intact 438 00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:38,947 because we know from FBI Agent Frank O'Neill 439 00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:41,199 that the brain was more than half missing 440 00:20:41,366 --> 00:20:42,825 when they removed it from the cranium. 441 00:20:44,285 --> 00:20:46,371 [David Mantik] Jeremy Gunn once made a comment. 442 00:20:46,454 --> 00:20:49,040 He said, "It's as if the autopsy materials 443 00:20:49,415 --> 00:20:52,335 were designed to hide what was really happening 444 00:20:52,835 --> 00:20:55,129 as opposed to what they should usually do. 445 00:20:55,213 --> 00:20:58,424 They're supposed to reveal the full extent of things." 446 00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:01,219 [Douglas Horne] On November 1st, 1966, 447 00:21:01,344 --> 00:21:02,804 the National Archives 448 00:21:02,887 --> 00:21:05,056 and an official from the Department of Justice 449 00:21:05,139 --> 00:21:07,767 met with Humes, Boswell, 450 00:21:08,059 --> 00:21:11,270 photographer John Stringer and the radiologist Ebersole. 451 00:21:11,437 --> 00:21:14,023 And they looked at the autopsy photographs 452 00:21:14,399 --> 00:21:15,441 for the first time. 453 00:21:15,566 --> 00:21:18,987 And they created a catalog, an inventory, simply saying: 454 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:20,822 this is what this picture describes. 455 00:21:21,030 --> 00:21:25,118 During this discussion, the DOJ witness, Mr. Belcher, 456 00:21:25,201 --> 00:21:26,285 who was an attorney, 457 00:21:26,661 --> 00:21:28,663 noted they were discussing missing photographs. 458 00:21:28,913 --> 00:21:30,915 Jeremy Gunn, my boss, the General Counsel, 459 00:21:30,999 --> 00:21:34,377 did ask why these people signed an inventory 460 00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:35,878 which they knew not to be true. 461 00:21:36,129 --> 00:21:38,715 And Stringer said, "Well, some people do object, 462 00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:40,091 but they don't last very long." 463 00:21:40,717 --> 00:21:43,386 [Goldberg] An inventory of autopsy materials 464 00:21:43,469 --> 00:21:47,432 submitted in 1965 to the National Archives 465 00:21:47,765 --> 00:21:50,226 listed microscopic tissue slides, 466 00:21:50,476 --> 00:21:52,562 and a stainless steel container 467 00:21:52,645 --> 00:21:56,190 containing gross material, presumably the brain. 468 00:21:56,774 --> 00:21:58,401 -In August of '72, 469 00:21:58,568 --> 00:22:00,653 I'm there at the National Archives, 470 00:22:00,737 --> 00:22:01,821 and I'm looking. 471 00:22:01,904 --> 00:22:05,033 I have the executive agreement of April '65 472 00:22:05,116 --> 00:22:08,369 and I have the inventory of October '66, 473 00:22:08,453 --> 00:22:10,580 a year and a half later. Ah-ha! 474 00:22:11,164 --> 00:22:14,667 In addition to some X-rays and some photos that are missing, 475 00:22:15,001 --> 00:22:18,713 there's a large metal box that obviously contained the brain, 476 00:22:19,172 --> 00:22:24,218 listed in '65, no longer listed in '66. 477 00:22:24,302 --> 00:22:26,262 [smacks kiss] Goodbye, brain. 478 00:22:26,971 --> 00:22:28,306 -And the tissue slides 479 00:22:28,431 --> 00:22:30,850 that they'd taken have disappeared from evidence. 480 00:22:30,933 --> 00:22:33,311 And people say, well, what difference do the tissue slides make? 481 00:22:33,394 --> 00:22:34,896 I'll tell you what evidence they make. 482 00:22:34,979 --> 00:22:37,482 When you do a little biopsy of that tissue around there, 483 00:22:37,565 --> 00:22:40,985 you can tell whether the bullet entered there, or exited there, 484 00:22:41,069 --> 00:22:44,280 by whether you find dust particles from the lead. 485 00:22:44,655 --> 00:22:46,157 -You don't have the brain. 486 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,243 This is the heart, no pun intended, 487 00:22:49,327 --> 00:22:50,912 of the defendant's case. 488 00:22:50,995 --> 00:22:52,872 Mr. Prosecutor, you don't have the brain. 489 00:22:52,955 --> 00:22:54,165 You're out of here. 490 00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:56,542 And as we sit and talk here today, 491 00:22:56,667 --> 00:22:59,837 all these years later, that brain remains missing. 492 00:23:01,714 --> 00:23:03,382 -I'd hate to be in your shoes today. 493 00:23:04,634 --> 00:23:05,676 You have a lot to think about. 494 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,928 You've seen much hidden evidence 495 00:23:07,011 --> 00:23:08,638 the American public has never seen. 496 00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:12,517 You know, going back to when we were children, 497 00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:15,520 I think that most of us in this courtroom 498 00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:18,564 thought that justice came into being automatically. 499 00:23:19,607 --> 00:23:20,983 That virtue was its own reward. 500 00:23:21,067 --> 00:23:23,236 That good will triumph over evil. 501 00:23:24,904 --> 00:23:27,490 But as we get older, we know this just isn't true. 502 00:23:28,741 --> 00:23:31,369 Individual human beings have to create justice, 503 00:23:31,452 --> 00:23:32,745 and this is not easy 504 00:23:34,288 --> 00:23:36,833 because the truth often poses a threat to power, 505 00:23:37,834 --> 00:23:40,962 and one often has to fight power at great risk to themselves. 506 00:23:41,170 --> 00:23:43,422 [Goldberg] After the film JFK was released, 507 00:23:43,506 --> 00:23:46,175 several doctors went to the National Archives 508 00:23:46,259 --> 00:23:48,594 to view the X-rays of Kennedy's skull. 509 00:23:49,262 --> 00:23:51,556 They saw details in these X-rays 510 00:23:51,639 --> 00:23:53,933 which presented yet another problem 511 00:23:54,016 --> 00:23:55,810 for the Warren Report's claim 512 00:23:55,977 --> 00:23:59,272 that Kennedy was only shot from the rear. 513 00:23:59,856 --> 00:24:02,233 -Well, the government investigations did claim 514 00:24:02,316 --> 00:24:04,652 that there was no evidence of a shot from the front. 515 00:24:05,987 --> 00:24:08,030 But they didn't tell us a few things 516 00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:09,448 that were very important, 517 00:24:10,032 --> 00:24:12,076 which we have learned only in recent years. 518 00:24:12,785 --> 00:24:17,165 We have seen tiny metal fragments right at the forehead. 519 00:24:17,748 --> 00:24:19,959 -When you look at the X-rays 520 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,087 that are stored at the Archives now, 521 00:24:23,171 --> 00:24:26,632 on the lateral X-ray, there is a fragment trail 522 00:24:26,883 --> 00:24:29,385 that actually expands from front to back, 523 00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:32,054 and there are dozens of very tiny 524 00:24:32,138 --> 00:24:35,266 dust-like fragment particles up in this location. 525 00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:37,476 -Now, why is that important? 526 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,356 Well, what we know is that the larger bullet fragments travel farther, 527 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,777 whereas the smaller ones tend to stay near the entry site. 528 00:24:47,403 --> 00:24:49,488 That's what we see on these X-rays. 529 00:24:50,239 --> 00:24:53,284 In other words, we can reasonably interpret these 530 00:24:53,367 --> 00:24:55,661 as being consistent with a frontal bullet, 531 00:24:55,745 --> 00:24:58,998 but being radically inconsistent with a posterior bullet. 532 00:24:59,290 --> 00:25:01,834 -And that's not evidence you can erase. 533 00:25:01,918 --> 00:25:04,086 You can't make that disappear, but that's-- 534 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:06,339 that's, you know, incontrovertible evidence 535 00:25:06,422 --> 00:25:08,883 he was shot from the right front by a non-jacketed bullet. 536 00:25:09,467 --> 00:25:11,135 [Goldberg] This new X-ray evidence, 537 00:25:11,219 --> 00:25:15,806 combined with the Review Board's declassification of 40 witnesses 538 00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:18,392 who saw a hole in the back of Kennedy's head, 539 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,939 constitutes powerful evidence of a shot from the front. 540 00:25:33,324 --> 00:25:36,410 Because three shells were found on the sixth floor 541 00:25:36,494 --> 00:25:39,080 of the Texas School Book Depository, 542 00:25:39,163 --> 00:25:42,959 the Warren Commission was limited to only three shots. 543 00:25:43,501 --> 00:25:46,379 But one of the problems with CE 399, 544 00:25:46,462 --> 00:25:51,133 as Joseph Dolce said, was its nearly-pristine condition. 545 00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:54,804 Especially when compared with bullets the commission tested. 546 00:25:54,929 --> 00:25:57,765 -"No, it could not have caused all the wounds. 547 00:25:58,140 --> 00:26:01,394 Because our experiments have showed, beyond any doubt, 548 00:26:01,727 --> 00:26:03,396 that merely shooting the wrist 549 00:26:03,771 --> 00:26:05,564 deformed the bullet drastically." 550 00:26:06,065 --> 00:26:07,233 [Goldberg] As it turns out, 551 00:26:07,316 --> 00:26:10,319 there was an extra bullet, and it was misshapen. 552 00:26:10,695 --> 00:26:12,071 After the assassination, 553 00:26:12,154 --> 00:26:14,407 the motorcade raced to Parkland Hospital, 554 00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:16,534 where the emergency room doctors 555 00:26:16,617 --> 00:26:18,369 tried to save the president's life. 556 00:26:18,661 --> 00:26:20,413 After he was pronounced dead, 557 00:26:20,496 --> 00:26:23,082 Kennedy's personal physician, George Burkley, 558 00:26:23,165 --> 00:26:25,835 got in contact with his assistant, James Young 559 00:26:25,918 --> 00:26:29,755 in the White House, and told him to prepare for the autopsy. 560 00:26:30,214 --> 00:26:34,635 -It was James Young who ordered Chiefs Mills and Martinell, 561 00:26:34,719 --> 00:26:37,763 their assistants, to go to the White House 562 00:26:37,847 --> 00:26:39,515 and retrieve what they knew were skull fragments 563 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:41,183 in the limousine at that time. 564 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:43,102 [Goldberg] The presidential limousine, 565 00:26:43,185 --> 00:26:46,063 while en route to Washington, was inspected, 566 00:26:46,147 --> 00:26:49,233 and a three-inch triangular piece of bone 567 00:26:49,317 --> 00:26:52,862 was discovered on the floor near the rear jump seat. 568 00:26:53,195 --> 00:26:56,073 During the autopsy, Young sent his two assistants 569 00:26:56,157 --> 00:26:59,577 to meet the limo when it arrived at the White House garage. 570 00:26:59,952 --> 00:27:02,330 [Randolph Robertson] And they brought back an additional envelope 571 00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:04,540 with the bullet with the bent tip. 572 00:27:04,665 --> 00:27:06,500 He described the bullet, brass-colored, 573 00:27:06,584 --> 00:27:09,086 about five millimeters in diameter. 574 00:27:09,378 --> 00:27:12,089 [Goldberg] As part of a Naval oral history project, 575 00:27:12,173 --> 00:27:16,010 Jan Herman, who had interviewed Dr. Young on this subject, 576 00:27:16,093 --> 00:27:18,763 got in touch with Thomas Mills, one of the two men 577 00:27:18,846 --> 00:27:22,016 who had gone to the limo to retrieve the skull fragments. 578 00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:25,061 -Jan Herman called up Mills, says, "Hey, do you remember 579 00:27:25,144 --> 00:27:27,938 Dr. Young calling you, asking about this bent bullet?" 580 00:27:28,272 --> 00:27:29,940 He said, "Yeah, I remember that and him calling me. 581 00:27:30,024 --> 00:27:31,692 And, yeah, he's remembered it." 582 00:27:31,776 --> 00:27:33,444 He says, "Can you shed any light on it?" 583 00:27:33,527 --> 00:27:36,614 And he says, "I would rather not talk about that." 584 00:27:37,073 --> 00:27:38,699 -You know what happened to this bullet? 585 00:27:39,033 --> 00:27:43,371 -It went from Mills and Martinell to Young to Humes, 586 00:27:43,454 --> 00:27:44,580 it disappears. 587 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:47,708 That evening, there may have been as little as four people 588 00:27:47,792 --> 00:27:50,044 who saw that bullet before it disappeared. 589 00:27:50,294 --> 00:27:52,088 [Goldberg] The reports of this extra bullet 590 00:27:52,171 --> 00:27:54,632 substantiate some researchers' claim 591 00:27:54,715 --> 00:27:56,175 that there was a fourth shot 592 00:27:56,258 --> 00:27:59,720 hitting the limo at Zapruder frame 328. 593 00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:02,890 [Randolph Robertson] The bullet itself is important, but what's more important is 594 00:28:03,391 --> 00:28:04,600 when it struck, 595 00:28:04,683 --> 00:28:06,977 and where it came from. 596 00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:10,022 And previously at 313, 597 00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:12,024 when the bullet went forward through JFK's head, 598 00:28:12,191 --> 00:28:14,693 a small fragment had cracked the windshield 599 00:28:14,777 --> 00:28:15,945 from the inner surface. 600 00:28:16,153 --> 00:28:20,699 Later, the final shot was at 328 was when it struck. 601 00:28:21,450 --> 00:28:23,828 Both times, there were flares of reflected light 602 00:28:23,911 --> 00:28:26,539 as the glass was deformed from the impacts 603 00:28:26,872 --> 00:28:29,041 of one of a fragment, and two of a whole bullet. 604 00:28:29,583 --> 00:28:32,878 And these two events occurred in 0.9 seconds. 605 00:28:33,379 --> 00:28:34,713 So, therefore, they couldn't have been shot 606 00:28:34,797 --> 00:28:35,965 from the same rifle. 607 00:28:36,382 --> 00:28:38,384 [Goldberg] The Warren Commission's contention 608 00:28:38,467 --> 00:28:40,719 is that only three shots were fired, 609 00:28:40,803 --> 00:28:44,265 and that one of them had missed its target completely. 610 00:28:44,348 --> 00:28:47,476 So how does one account for the extensive damage 611 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,727 to the limousine? 612 00:28:49,061 --> 00:28:50,896 -There is a lot of damage in the car. 613 00:28:51,105 --> 00:28:54,233 The chrome strip, which went around the windshield, 614 00:28:54,567 --> 00:28:56,277 was dented from the inside, 615 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,362 which suggests a projectile from the rear. 616 00:28:58,863 --> 00:29:03,492 Six witnesses reported a through and through hole 617 00:29:03,576 --> 00:29:04,743 in the windshield. 618 00:29:06,912 --> 00:29:08,122 [Goldberg] After the Secret Service 619 00:29:08,205 --> 00:29:11,792 tried to scrub down the interior at Parkland Hospital, 620 00:29:11,876 --> 00:29:15,129 the presidential limo was then flown to Washington. 621 00:29:15,504 --> 00:29:19,216 The interior was completely cleaned up within 36 hours 622 00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:20,342 and the windshield 623 00:29:20,426 --> 00:29:23,971 was replaced within 48 to 72 hours. 624 00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:27,516 The car was then shipped first to the Ford factory in Michigan, 625 00:29:27,725 --> 00:29:29,351 and then to Cincinnati, 626 00:29:29,435 --> 00:29:33,689 where it was extensively rebuilt by a car restoration company. 627 00:29:41,530 --> 00:29:43,616 At the trial of New Orleans businessman 628 00:29:43,699 --> 00:29:46,535 Clay Shaw, autopsy Dr. Pierre Finck 629 00:29:46,619 --> 00:29:50,122 shockingly revealed that the wound in Kennedy's back 630 00:29:50,206 --> 00:29:51,373 was not dissected 631 00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:54,418 because an Army general ordered them not to. 632 00:29:55,169 --> 00:29:57,880 The failure to perform that standard practice 633 00:29:57,963 --> 00:30:01,383 led to a long trail of folly and error, 634 00:30:01,592 --> 00:30:04,220 assessing and locating this wound. 635 00:30:04,637 --> 00:30:07,014 Did the bullet perforate the body? 636 00:30:08,307 --> 00:30:10,267 Did it connect with the neck wound? 637 00:30:10,643 --> 00:30:13,604 Or was it perhaps made by a piece of shrapnel 638 00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:15,731 from the pavement in Dealey Plaza, 639 00:30:16,065 --> 00:30:18,651 creating a shallow wound with no exit? 640 00:30:19,401 --> 00:30:22,905 -The face sheet for the autopsy where it shows 641 00:30:22,988 --> 00:30:25,115 the front and back silhouette of the body, 642 00:30:25,199 --> 00:30:27,618 where you mark scars and bullet wounds and things, 643 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,538 the face sheet showed the bullet wound 644 00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:35,376 in the back at the level of thoracic vertebra T-3 645 00:30:35,459 --> 00:30:37,670 which is five and a half to six inches below, 646 00:30:37,753 --> 00:30:39,672 exactly where Dr. Berkeley had it, 647 00:30:39,964 --> 00:30:41,215 in the death certificate. 648 00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:43,717 [Goldberg] That location coincided with 649 00:30:43,801 --> 00:30:46,845 what the two FBI agents wrote in their report. 650 00:30:47,555 --> 00:30:49,848 Both Sibert and O'Neill disagreed 651 00:30:49,932 --> 00:30:51,725 with the Warren Report's depiction 652 00:30:51,809 --> 00:30:55,312 of both the rear skull wound and the back wound 653 00:30:55,396 --> 00:30:59,275 when the Review Board showed them the pictures in 1997. 654 00:30:59,608 --> 00:31:01,443 This is what Sibert had to say 655 00:31:01,527 --> 00:31:04,613 about the drawings commissioned by Arlen Specter: 656 00:31:05,197 --> 00:31:06,115 "What a liar. 657 00:31:06,198 --> 00:31:08,534 I feel he got his orders from above. 658 00:31:08,617 --> 00:31:10,661 How far above? I don't know." 659 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,955 They got that single bullet theory 660 00:31:13,038 --> 00:31:16,166 by moving that back wound up to the base of the neck." 661 00:31:16,834 --> 00:31:19,795 The single-bullet theory evolved over time, 662 00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:23,215 and began with a problem the doctors had at the autopsy, 663 00:31:23,299 --> 00:31:25,676 finding an exit point for the back wound, 664 00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:28,762 and ending when Arlen Specter decided 665 00:31:28,846 --> 00:31:31,056 the bullet needed to hit two victims. 666 00:31:31,849 --> 00:31:32,766 [Cyril Wecht] Darrell Tomlinson, 667 00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:34,560 a maintenance man at Parkland Hospital, 668 00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:37,313 passing by the ER, found the stretchers 669 00:31:37,521 --> 00:31:39,815 blocking the way, bent down, moved the stretcher, 670 00:31:39,898 --> 00:31:41,191 and there was a bullet. 671 00:31:41,275 --> 00:31:43,777 Keep in mind, it really is a magic bullet 672 00:31:43,861 --> 00:31:46,280 because on the night of the autopsy, 673 00:31:46,363 --> 00:31:50,784 Friday, November 22nd, 1963, Humes and Boswell, 674 00:31:50,868 --> 00:31:52,953 these two military pathologists, 675 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,332 they missed a bullet hole in the front of the president's neck, 676 00:31:56,415 --> 00:31:57,499 the night of the autopsy. 677 00:31:57,583 --> 00:31:59,835 They saw a tracheostomy. 678 00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:02,004 Indeed, there was a tracheostomy. 679 00:32:02,087 --> 00:32:04,757 The doctors at Parkland Hospital earlier that day 680 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,508 had determined that the bullet 681 00:32:06,592 --> 00:32:08,719 had fortuitously ripped through the trachea. 682 00:32:08,886 --> 00:32:11,013 So they enlarged that bullet hole. 683 00:32:11,096 --> 00:32:12,556 Let me finish on Friday night. 684 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,557 What to do? 685 00:32:13,641 --> 00:32:15,392 Hey, we've got a bullet hole in the president's back, 686 00:32:15,476 --> 00:32:17,353 which they examined with the finger, 687 00:32:17,436 --> 00:32:19,355 then with an instrument, then took X-rays, 688 00:32:19,438 --> 00:32:21,857 then took out the lungs. No bullets. 689 00:32:22,232 --> 00:32:24,777 God, I wish I were there to see them sweating 690 00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:27,196 and have their underwear staining, uh, 691 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,948 and well, just like you say, a work of fiction. 692 00:32:30,032 --> 00:32:32,409 A call came in from the FBI in Dallas 693 00:32:32,493 --> 00:32:33,619 to the FBI in D.C. 694 00:32:33,702 --> 00:32:35,204 A bullet was found! 695 00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:37,998 Now we know, when the president 696 00:32:38,082 --> 00:32:41,001 lay on the stretcher, supine position, 697 00:32:41,085 --> 00:32:43,170 and pressure was applied to his chest 698 00:32:43,253 --> 00:32:45,130 for cardiopulmonary resuscitation. 699 00:32:45,214 --> 00:32:49,093 That pressure applied anteriorly, forced the bullet, 700 00:32:49,343 --> 00:32:51,303 which had gone deeply into the tissues, 701 00:32:51,387 --> 00:32:53,013 back out through, like a tunnel, 702 00:32:53,097 --> 00:32:54,723 in and out, a car in reverse. 703 00:32:54,807 --> 00:32:55,933 Bullets don't work that way. 704 00:32:56,016 --> 00:32:57,893 When a bullet goes in, it produces damage. 705 00:32:58,060 --> 00:32:59,478 The bullet becomes encased. 706 00:33:00,062 --> 00:33:02,648 Bullets don't go in and out like that. 707 00:33:02,731 --> 00:33:04,149 But that was their conclusion. 708 00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:08,821 It wasn't until the next morning when Humes decided, 709 00:33:08,904 --> 00:33:10,864 "Hey, maybe we oughta talk with the surgeons 710 00:33:10,948 --> 00:33:12,282 at Parkland Hospital." 711 00:33:12,366 --> 00:33:14,451 And now they learned for the first time 712 00:33:14,535 --> 00:33:16,412 that there was a tracheostomy 713 00:33:16,495 --> 00:33:18,997 superimposed upon a bullet wound. 714 00:33:19,081 --> 00:33:22,167 So now, as of Saturday, November 23rd, 715 00:33:22,418 --> 00:33:24,878 that magic bullet is from the front of the clothing. 716 00:33:25,212 --> 00:33:27,381 The bullet going through six, seven inches of soft tissue 717 00:33:27,464 --> 00:33:29,425 comes out, sees the starched white collar, 718 00:33:29,508 --> 00:33:30,426 gets frightened to death, 719 00:33:30,509 --> 00:33:32,052 plops into the front of his clothing. 720 00:33:32,136 --> 00:33:33,387 And that's where the bullet came from, 721 00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:35,389 found by Tomlinson at the hospital. 722 00:33:35,472 --> 00:33:36,807 Four or five months later, 723 00:33:36,890 --> 00:33:39,393 under Arlen Specter's single bullet theory, 724 00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:41,437 that bullet has been rejuvenated, 725 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,646 it's been revitalized. 726 00:33:42,730 --> 00:33:44,481 That bullet has now gone through Kennedy, 727 00:33:44,565 --> 00:33:46,984 through Connally, piercing the lung, 728 00:33:47,067 --> 00:33:49,528 destroying four inches of the right fifth rib, 729 00:33:49,611 --> 00:33:51,572 exiting from the front of his chest, 730 00:33:51,655 --> 00:33:53,115 going into the back of the wrist, 731 00:33:53,198 --> 00:33:55,075 shattering the distal and the radius, 732 00:33:55,159 --> 00:33:56,994 and in a six-foot-four guy like Connally, 733 00:33:57,077 --> 00:33:59,371 that's a big, heavy bone, commuted fracture, 734 00:33:59,496 --> 00:34:01,540 exits from the front of the wrist, 735 00:34:01,623 --> 00:34:02,750 goes into the left thigh. 736 00:34:02,916 --> 00:34:07,004 And now, as of April of 1964, the stretcher bullet 737 00:34:07,254 --> 00:34:08,922 Commission Exhibit 399, 738 00:34:09,006 --> 00:34:10,591 the hero of the Warren Commission report, 739 00:34:10,674 --> 00:34:13,051 is now from Connally's left thigh. 740 00:34:13,218 --> 00:34:15,512 Whatever you want, whatever you need, 741 00:34:15,596 --> 00:34:18,599 this bullet happily and readily obliges you. 742 00:34:18,682 --> 00:34:20,809 It is indeed a magic bullet. 743 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:23,854 [Goldberg] And in order to make the facts 744 00:34:23,937 --> 00:34:27,316 fit the theory of one bullet doing all this damage, 745 00:34:27,733 --> 00:34:31,653 the Warren Commission needed to raise the wound in the back 746 00:34:31,737 --> 00:34:34,823 so that it would align with the alleged exit wound 747 00:34:34,907 --> 00:34:36,658 in the front of Kennedy's neck. 748 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:38,869 Commissioner Gerald Ford did this 749 00:34:38,952 --> 00:34:41,121 simply via the stroke of a pen, 750 00:34:41,205 --> 00:34:43,624 changing the description in their report 751 00:34:43,957 --> 00:34:46,168 from back to the back of the neck. 752 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:48,712 -As I recall, they said about Gerald Ford, 753 00:34:48,837 --> 00:34:51,173 that he could not chew gum and walk at the same time. 754 00:34:51,256 --> 00:34:54,176 Now, all of a sudden, he becomes a forensic pathologist, 755 00:34:54,259 --> 00:34:56,887 and a photographer and a criminalist and an expert, 756 00:34:56,970 --> 00:34:58,597 and he knows where the bullet hole was, 757 00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,640 and he moved it up. 758 00:34:59,765 --> 00:35:02,100 [Goldberg] But then in 1979, 759 00:35:02,184 --> 00:35:05,395 the House Select Committee moved it lower in the back 760 00:35:05,479 --> 00:35:07,856 because they had pictures from the autopsy. 761 00:35:07,940 --> 00:35:10,484 It is conceivable that at the time, 762 00:35:10,567 --> 00:35:11,860 the Warren Commission thought 763 00:35:11,944 --> 00:35:15,030 no one would ever see the autopsy photos. 764 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,783 When the Review Board declassified the notation 765 00:35:17,866 --> 00:35:21,245 showing what Ford had done, the former commissioner replied 766 00:35:21,328 --> 00:35:24,248 that it had nothing to do with a conspiracy theory. 767 00:35:24,373 --> 00:35:27,125 He was only trying to be more precise. 768 00:35:27,793 --> 00:35:31,505 This is directly contradicted by a conversation Ford had 769 00:35:31,588 --> 00:35:35,008 with French President Valรฉry Giscard d'Estaing. 770 00:35:35,592 --> 00:35:38,011 According to d'Estaing, Ford told him 771 00:35:38,095 --> 00:35:40,973 the assassination was not the work of one person. 772 00:35:41,098 --> 00:35:44,017 "It was something set-up. We were sure it was set up. 773 00:35:44,309 --> 00:35:47,104 But we were not able to discover by whom." 774 00:35:54,403 --> 00:35:55,529 [reporter] Kennedy and his wife 775 00:35:55,612 --> 00:35:57,406 have a two-year-old daughter, Caroline. 776 00:35:57,489 --> 00:35:59,741 And Mrs. Kennedy is currently expecting the birth 777 00:35:59,825 --> 00:36:00,909 of a second child. 778 00:36:04,121 --> 00:36:08,250 For his running mate in 1960, Kennedy chose Lyndon B. Johnson, 779 00:36:08,333 --> 00:36:10,002 leader of the Senate Majority. 780 00:36:10,210 --> 00:36:12,504 [โ™ชโ™ชโ™ช] 781 00:36:15,007 --> 00:36:17,259 [Donald Sutherland] In the 1960 campaign, 782 00:36:17,467 --> 00:36:19,219 Kennedy had been advised 783 00:36:19,303 --> 00:36:22,055 by former Air Force Secretary Stuart Symington 784 00:36:22,222 --> 00:36:25,309 that military intelligence stated that the Russians 785 00:36:25,392 --> 00:36:28,729 had a significant advantage in long-range atomic missiles. 786 00:36:29,229 --> 00:36:31,440 He used the issue against Richard Nixon, 787 00:36:31,523 --> 00:36:34,568 even after he had been informed that it was inaccurate. 788 00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:36,778 When he got into office, 789 00:36:36,862 --> 00:36:39,865 he was told by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara 790 00:36:40,115 --> 00:36:41,742 that this was not only false, 791 00:36:42,242 --> 00:36:44,286 but America had a huge advantage. 792 00:36:44,995 --> 00:36:48,123 This led to a meeting in the summer of 1961. 793 00:36:48,373 --> 00:36:52,210 It included Kennedy, CIA Director Allen Dulles, 794 00:36:52,294 --> 00:36:56,173 and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Lemnitzer. 795 00:36:56,465 --> 00:36:59,760 In 1993, the first official document 796 00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:02,220 describing the meeting was declassified. 797 00:37:02,763 --> 00:37:05,390 Dulles and Lemnitzer were advising Kennedy 798 00:37:05,474 --> 00:37:09,186 about the potential effects of a first-strike nuclear attack 799 00:37:09,269 --> 00:37:14,191 on the USSR, which would occur in the fall of 1963, 800 00:37:14,566 --> 00:37:16,276 a time when they predicted 801 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,737 America would have its optimum advantage 802 00:37:18,820 --> 00:37:21,573 over Russian counter-strike capabilities. 803 00:37:22,449 --> 00:37:25,160 The advisers wanted to press that advantage 804 00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:27,746 to its ultimate nightmarish end. 805 00:37:28,121 --> 00:37:30,958 -You're talking about mass murder, General, not war. 806 00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:34,461 -Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. 807 00:37:34,836 --> 00:37:39,091 But I do say no more than ten to 20 million killed. Tops! 808 00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:40,717 Uh, depending on the breaks. 809 00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:42,886 -I will not go down in history 810 00:37:42,970 --> 00:37:45,472 as the greatest mass murderer since Adolph Hitler! 811 00:37:45,722 --> 00:37:47,474 -Perhaps, it might be better, Mr. President, 812 00:37:47,557 --> 00:37:49,685 if you were more concerned with the American people 813 00:37:49,935 --> 00:37:51,478 than with your image in the history books. 814 00:37:52,521 --> 00:37:53,939 [James Galbraith] The importance of that meeting 815 00:37:54,022 --> 00:37:56,900 was that it showed that the strategic planners 816 00:37:57,567 --> 00:38:00,612 did, in fact, think of the military force 817 00:38:00,696 --> 00:38:02,197 that we were deploying at the time 818 00:38:02,406 --> 00:38:04,282 as a first strike force, 819 00:38:04,366 --> 00:38:07,452 and not as a second-strike retaliatory force. 820 00:38:07,786 --> 00:38:09,871 And the fact that this was the case 821 00:38:10,205 --> 00:38:14,960 was what I think tied Kennedy, Johnson, and McNamara together 822 00:38:15,419 --> 00:38:16,878 over this entire period, 823 00:38:16,962 --> 00:38:21,633 that they simply had to keep those missiles in their silos. 824 00:38:22,259 --> 00:38:23,927 When I called up Walt Rostow, 825 00:38:24,011 --> 00:38:26,513 who was a close friend and colleague, by that time, 826 00:38:26,596 --> 00:38:27,848 at the University of Texas. 827 00:38:28,181 --> 00:38:29,975 I said, "Walt, I'm writing an article 828 00:38:30,058 --> 00:38:33,478 on a meeting of the National Security Council 829 00:38:33,562 --> 00:38:36,440 that took place on the 20th of July, 1961." 830 00:38:37,274 --> 00:38:39,609 And he looked at me; without any further word, 831 00:38:39,693 --> 00:38:40,652 he said, "You mean the one 832 00:38:40,736 --> 00:38:42,696 where they wanted to blow up the world?" 833 00:38:43,655 --> 00:38:44,781 [Sutherland] After the meeting, 834 00:38:44,865 --> 00:38:47,701 Kennedy said to his Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, 835 00:38:48,368 --> 00:38:51,371 "And we call ourselves the human race?" 836 00:38:54,458 --> 00:38:56,043 After his inauguration, 837 00:38:56,376 --> 00:38:58,295 Kennedy sent his aide, Arthur Schlesinger, 838 00:38:58,712 --> 00:39:00,380 on a tour of Latin America 839 00:39:00,547 --> 00:39:03,550 to come up with a plan to alter the Yankee gringo image 840 00:39:03,633 --> 00:39:05,427 of the United States in the region, 841 00:39:05,844 --> 00:39:08,388 and to also neutralize the appeal of communism. 842 00:39:09,097 --> 00:39:11,433 Kennedy organized a huge conference 843 00:39:11,516 --> 00:39:12,976 in Punta Del Este, Uruguay, 844 00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:15,812 inviting representatives from Latin America, 845 00:39:16,104 --> 00:39:17,647 to propose projects 846 00:39:17,731 --> 00:39:20,317 and to establish the Alliance for Progress. 847 00:39:20,650 --> 00:39:22,694 [John F. Kennedy] For no real progress is possible 848 00:39:23,278 --> 00:39:26,406 unless the benefits of increased prosperity 849 00:39:26,531 --> 00:39:28,283 are shared by the people themselves. 850 00:39:28,492 --> 00:39:30,327 [applaud] 851 00:39:31,203 --> 00:39:35,832 [Jacqueline Kennedy speaking in Spanish] 852 00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:42,964 [cheering] 853 00:39:44,466 --> 00:39:47,344 [Robert F. Kennedy Jr.] They tried to create a program 854 00:39:47,511 --> 00:39:49,679 that would tie US aid 855 00:39:50,138 --> 00:39:54,351 not to military control and authoritarian 856 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:59,564 support of US corporations, but rather to initiatives 857 00:39:59,648 --> 00:40:01,358 that would democratize the country, 858 00:40:01,441 --> 00:40:03,485 and that would raise the poor out of poverty. 859 00:40:06,029 --> 00:40:07,989 [Sutherland] One of the least-acknowledged aspects 860 00:40:08,073 --> 00:40:09,616 of Kennedy's foreign policy 861 00:40:09,908 --> 00:40:12,494 was his perspective regarding the Middle East. 862 00:40:12,994 --> 00:40:15,622 As part of an effort to bring balance to the region, 863 00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:18,875 Kennedy had concentrated on forging a relationship 864 00:40:19,126 --> 00:40:21,586 with Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. 865 00:40:22,045 --> 00:40:23,964 [Philip Muehlenbeck] Kennedy's overall policy 866 00:40:24,047 --> 00:40:25,924 towards the Middle East had a few pillars. 867 00:40:26,007 --> 00:40:28,051 One was to take a more even-handed approach 868 00:40:28,135 --> 00:40:30,220 towards Israel on the Palestine issue 869 00:40:30,303 --> 00:40:31,930 than previous US presidents had. 870 00:40:32,347 --> 00:40:35,142 A second issue was to support what he viewed as 871 00:40:35,225 --> 00:40:38,019 the progressive nationalists in places like Egypt, 872 00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:40,230 embodied by Nasser, and in Syria, 873 00:40:40,313 --> 00:40:42,774 as opposed to what Kennedy referred to as 874 00:40:42,858 --> 00:40:44,860 "relics of the past," monarchies 875 00:40:44,943 --> 00:40:47,904 in places like Saudi Arabia or Jordan. 876 00:40:48,655 --> 00:40:50,323 Nasser was one of the foreign leaders 877 00:40:50,407 --> 00:40:53,743 that Kennedy had the most personal correspondence with. 878 00:40:54,077 --> 00:40:56,413 They sent over a dozen letters between each other. 879 00:40:56,830 --> 00:40:59,916 In those letters, Kennedy would disclose to Nasser 880 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,626 some things that he was going to do in advance, 881 00:41:01,710 --> 00:41:03,086 like weapons sales to Israel. 882 00:41:03,628 --> 00:41:05,547 So Nasser really appreciated his communication. 883 00:41:06,256 --> 00:41:09,134 [Robert Rakove] Kennedy discerned that Nasser actually 884 00:41:09,384 --> 00:41:11,636 had qualities that made him an appealing 885 00:41:11,845 --> 00:41:15,015 ally for the United States that he actually could, um, 886 00:41:15,098 --> 00:41:16,183 through the right inducements, 887 00:41:16,266 --> 00:41:18,435 forge a partnership with Washington. 888 00:41:18,518 --> 00:41:19,728 It wouldn't be close, 889 00:41:20,228 --> 00:41:22,564 but if the United States was generous 890 00:41:22,647 --> 00:41:24,566 in its support of Egyptian development, 891 00:41:24,649 --> 00:41:27,110 Nasser might, as his-- as his ambassador promised, 892 00:41:27,194 --> 00:41:29,529 keep the Arab-Israeli conflict in the ice box. 893 00:41:29,613 --> 00:41:30,572 That was the phrase. 894 00:41:31,573 --> 00:41:33,325 [Sutherland] The United Nations had abandoned 895 00:41:33,408 --> 00:41:36,620 their plan to repatriate Palestinian refugees. 896 00:41:37,329 --> 00:41:39,664 Kennedy took it up as a cause with Israel. 897 00:41:40,123 --> 00:41:41,958 This would have allowed the refugees 898 00:41:42,042 --> 00:41:44,002 a choice of staying where they were, 899 00:41:44,336 --> 00:41:47,839 moving elsewhere, or relocating back to Israel, 900 00:41:48,423 --> 00:41:50,175 all at the UN's expense. 901 00:41:51,468 --> 00:41:53,720 The other problem Kennedy faced with Israel 902 00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:57,140 was the construction of the atomic reactor at Dimona. 903 00:41:57,515 --> 00:41:58,934 JFK was strongly against 904 00:41:59,017 --> 00:42:01,144 any proliferation of nuclear weaponry. 905 00:42:01,686 --> 00:42:04,773 He had been assured by Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion 906 00:42:04,856 --> 00:42:08,526 that Dimona was designed for peaceful uses of atomic energy. 907 00:42:09,361 --> 00:42:13,531 In the spring of '63, Kennedy demanded full inspections 908 00:42:13,615 --> 00:42:16,159 by the US of the Dimona reactor, 909 00:42:16,368 --> 00:42:19,496 and threatened to place American aid for Israel in limbo 910 00:42:19,579 --> 00:42:21,289 if no agreement was reached. 911 00:42:21,623 --> 00:42:23,750 And at the time of his assassination, 912 00:42:23,959 --> 00:42:27,879 negotiations were in process for biannual inspections. 913 00:42:29,547 --> 00:42:33,426 The existence of communism so close to American shores 914 00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:35,679 kept Cuba on Kennedy's plate. 915 00:42:36,179 --> 00:42:39,975 And in late 1961, he authorized covert efforts 916 00:42:40,058 --> 00:42:42,560 under the name Operation Mongoose. 917 00:42:42,894 --> 00:42:46,398 General Edward Lansdale ran the day-to-day operations 918 00:42:46,481 --> 00:42:49,442 of the project, but Robert Kennedy was above him 919 00:42:49,526 --> 00:42:51,695 to ensure it would not spin out of control 920 00:42:51,778 --> 00:42:53,363 as the Bay of Pigs had. 921 00:42:53,989 --> 00:42:56,574 The idea was to keep pressure on Castro 922 00:42:56,741 --> 00:42:58,994 so that he would not export communism 923 00:42:59,077 --> 00:43:00,578 further into Latin America 924 00:43:00,829 --> 00:43:02,831 and endanger the Alliance for Progress. 925 00:43:03,748 --> 00:43:05,709 [Oliver Stone] And despite later accusations 926 00:43:05,792 --> 00:43:08,837 of Kennedy's complicity in assassination plots, 927 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,797 there is no known document 928 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,716 that's emerged from the Mongoose files 929 00:43:12,799 --> 00:43:15,385 showing that he knew of any such attempts. 930 00:43:16,136 --> 00:43:18,847 This seems to be a remnant of the Eisenhower plan. 931 00:43:19,472 --> 00:43:22,600 -General Lansdale requests of the Joint Staff 932 00:43:22,934 --> 00:43:27,981 in February of '62, he requests that they come up with pretexts 933 00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:30,317 for a US invasion of Cuba. 934 00:43:30,859 --> 00:43:32,193 [Sutherland] The following month, 935 00:43:32,277 --> 00:43:34,738 the Joint Chiefs of Staff presented a plan to Kennedy 936 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,157 called Operation Northwoods, 937 00:43:37,324 --> 00:43:39,993 whereby the CIA would secretly perform 938 00:43:40,076 --> 00:43:44,080 terrorist acts in the United States and blame them on Castro 939 00:43:44,289 --> 00:43:47,375 to justify bombings and an invasion of Cuba. 940 00:43:48,001 --> 00:43:50,337 The president declined the recommendation. 941 00:43:51,254 --> 00:43:53,006 -And it takes only a few days 942 00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:56,426 before it's 'mano e mano,' a face-to-face showdown 943 00:43:56,509 --> 00:43:59,429 between President Kennedy and General Lemnitzer. 944 00:43:59,512 --> 00:44:00,930 Lemnitzer says, "We got a pretext. 945 00:44:01,014 --> 00:44:03,266 We can do this." Kennedy rebukes him. 946 00:44:03,683 --> 00:44:05,226 -Pretexts were outrageous. 947 00:44:05,435 --> 00:44:06,728 Fake an attack by Cubans 948 00:44:06,811 --> 00:44:08,438 against the Guantanamo Bay sentries. 949 00:44:08,772 --> 00:44:12,442 Sink a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame it on Cuba. 950 00:44:12,525 --> 00:44:16,196 The one that scares me the most was very sophisticated. 951 00:44:17,447 --> 00:44:21,242 Take an airliner and fly it as a drone over Cuba 952 00:44:21,326 --> 00:44:23,578 without any people in it with a tape recording 953 00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:24,829 that would play, "We're under attack, 954 00:44:24,913 --> 00:44:26,289 we're under attack by Cuban aircraft! 955 00:44:26,373 --> 00:44:28,124 Oh, my God, they're gonna kill us!" 956 00:44:28,208 --> 00:44:31,169 Blow up the airplane, blow up this huge drone, 957 00:44:31,252 --> 00:44:32,212 [explosion] 958 00:44:32,295 --> 00:44:34,130 and use that to start a war. 959 00:44:34,381 --> 00:44:37,884 -Within a matter of weeks, Lemnitzer says, 960 00:44:37,967 --> 00:44:39,344 "Well, to hell with the pretext. 961 00:44:39,427 --> 00:44:41,429 To hell with it, let's just invade anyway." 962 00:44:41,721 --> 00:44:44,641 And you see all these plans being sent to McNamara 963 00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:48,478 and to Kennedy from Lemnitzer that basically say 964 00:44:48,561 --> 00:44:50,939 we gotta go in, just never mind who cares. 965 00:44:51,439 --> 00:44:53,525 There's no pretext. There's no rationale. 966 00:44:53,608 --> 00:44:54,859 We just, we want to do it. 967 00:44:55,235 --> 00:44:57,862 President Kennedy has to fire Lemnitzer. 968 00:44:58,238 --> 00:45:01,366 -So the Northwoods plan was our big coup, 969 00:45:01,491 --> 00:45:03,535 our big find in the way of military records. 970 00:45:03,743 --> 00:45:06,204 They're universally recognized today for their importance. 971 00:45:06,287 --> 00:45:07,997 And it's, it's one of those releases 972 00:45:08,081 --> 00:45:09,457 that the Review Board members, 973 00:45:09,541 --> 00:45:11,960 the board members themselves were justifiably proud of, 974 00:45:12,377 --> 00:45:14,254 that came out of the JFK Records Act. 975 00:45:15,213 --> 00:45:16,923 [Sutherland] Throughout 1961, 976 00:45:17,215 --> 00:45:19,676 Kennedy rejected a total of nine attempts 977 00:45:19,759 --> 00:45:21,386 by his military advisers 978 00:45:21,469 --> 00:45:24,097 to send American ground troops into Vietnam, 979 00:45:24,264 --> 00:45:26,224 and both General Douglas MacArthur 980 00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:28,560 and French President Charles de Gaulle 981 00:45:28,643 --> 00:45:31,771 strongly agreed with him about not doing so. 982 00:45:32,105 --> 00:45:34,107 -The issue of what to do in Cuba, 983 00:45:34,399 --> 00:45:36,401 and the issue of what to do in Vietnam, 984 00:45:36,776 --> 00:45:38,528 were inextricably intertwined 985 00:45:38,653 --> 00:45:41,030 because you can't do all these things at once. 986 00:45:41,114 --> 00:45:42,282 We don't have enough soldiers. 987 00:45:42,365 --> 00:45:43,867 We don't have enough forces to do them. 988 00:45:44,617 --> 00:45:48,121 And it's not just Cuba and Vietnam. 989 00:45:48,204 --> 00:45:51,332 It's Cuba and Berlin and Laos and Vietnam. 990 00:45:51,791 --> 00:45:56,212 So Kennedy was most concerned actually about Berlin, 991 00:45:56,713 --> 00:45:59,966 and was unwilling to put troops in Cuba 992 00:46:00,258 --> 00:46:01,968 because he would not be able to react 993 00:46:02,135 --> 00:46:04,512 if Khrushchev did something on Berlin. 994 00:46:05,013 --> 00:46:06,473 And Kennedy understood that; 995 00:46:06,806 --> 00:46:09,142 the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff understood that. 996 00:46:09,434 --> 00:46:13,313 Now, with that as the context, when it comes to Vietnam, 997 00:46:13,605 --> 00:46:15,523 Kennedy tells Lyman Lemnitzer, 998 00:46:15,607 --> 00:46:18,234 "Look, if we're not going to go into Cuba, 999 00:46:18,485 --> 00:46:21,070 what in the hell are we going to go into Vietnam for?" 1000 00:46:22,155 --> 00:46:24,324 [Sutherland] Near the end of his first year in office, 1001 00:46:24,532 --> 00:46:25,909 Kennedy received a report 1002 00:46:25,992 --> 00:46:28,578 from Walt Rostow and General Maxwell Taylor, 1003 00:46:28,661 --> 00:46:31,206 his foreign policy and military advisers, 1004 00:46:31,372 --> 00:46:33,041 that called for increased training 1005 00:46:33,124 --> 00:46:36,753 of South Vietnamese troops, increased bombings of the north, 1006 00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:39,506 and the use of US combat troops. 1007 00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:43,301 -At meetings later in November, I believe the 15th of November, 1008 00:46:43,384 --> 00:46:45,011 the National Security Council meeting 1009 00:46:45,136 --> 00:46:46,596 where this was thrashed out, 1010 00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:49,682 Robert Kennedy was very explicit in saying, 1011 00:46:49,766 --> 00:46:51,643 "No, we're not sending combat troops." 1012 00:46:51,893 --> 00:46:54,187 And it was clear from that point forward 1013 00:46:54,270 --> 00:46:55,730 that this was the red line 1014 00:46:55,813 --> 00:46:57,398 that John F. Kennedy would not cross. 1015 00:46:58,191 --> 00:46:59,484 [Sutherland] A third influence 1016 00:46:59,567 --> 00:47:02,195 on Kennedy's reluctance to commit American ground troops 1017 00:47:02,904 --> 00:47:06,407 was his ambassador to India, John Kenneth Galbraith. 1018 00:47:06,741 --> 00:47:09,702 [James Galbraith] My father went to see Walt Rostow. 1019 00:47:09,786 --> 00:47:11,287 He went in to talk to him. 1020 00:47:11,621 --> 00:47:15,250 Rostow gestured on his desk to the pile of papers. 1021 00:47:15,333 --> 00:47:19,712 The report, the Rostow-Taylor report, was plainly visible. 1022 00:47:19,921 --> 00:47:21,714 My father asked to see it. 1023 00:47:21,798 --> 00:47:26,135 Walt said, in effect, that his security classification 1024 00:47:26,219 --> 00:47:27,637 wasn't sufficiently high. 1025 00:47:27,845 --> 00:47:29,347 Uh, my father did not think 1026 00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:31,558 that Walt Rostow's security classification 1027 00:47:31,641 --> 00:47:32,892 was higher than his. 1028 00:47:33,309 --> 00:47:35,812 And at a given moment, the phone rang. 1029 00:47:35,895 --> 00:47:38,439 Walt turned to-- to answer the phone, and-- 1030 00:47:38,523 --> 00:47:39,983 and Dad picked up the report, 1031 00:47:40,066 --> 00:47:42,068 and walked out of the office and read it. 1032 00:47:42,151 --> 00:47:43,861 So, from that point forward, 1033 00:47:43,945 --> 00:47:46,990 he had an inside track on what was being, 1034 00:47:47,073 --> 00:47:50,326 at that time, very closely held recommendation 1035 00:47:50,410 --> 00:47:54,247 for a very strong combat intervention in Vietnam. 1036 00:47:54,706 --> 00:47:57,041 And of course, he-- he proceeded to counter it, 1037 00:47:57,125 --> 00:48:00,295 as best he could, with direct advice to the president. 1038 00:48:00,503 --> 00:48:02,505 -It isn't until later in that month 1039 00:48:03,089 --> 00:48:06,551 where the Vietnam decision is finally arrived that, 1040 00:48:06,759 --> 00:48:09,721 which is in NSAM 111 where Kennedy says 1041 00:48:09,804 --> 00:48:12,682 no combat troops, but we'll increase the advisers. 1042 00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:16,185 And that was his signal decision 1043 00:48:16,269 --> 00:48:17,353 in the Kennedy presidency 1044 00:48:17,437 --> 00:48:19,439 without respect to the withdrawal, 1045 00:48:19,522 --> 00:48:22,191 but never to cross that line. 1046 00:48:25,778 --> 00:48:29,574 [Sutherland] In October 1962, U-2 surveillance flights 1047 00:48:29,657 --> 00:48:32,076 detected Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba, 1048 00:48:32,702 --> 00:48:34,954 90 miles off the US coast. 1049 00:48:35,455 --> 00:48:38,333 To this day, scholars debate Khrushchev's motivation. 1050 00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:41,628 Was it because he feared a US invasion of Cuba? 1051 00:48:41,836 --> 00:48:44,505 Was it because of American missiles in Turkey? 1052 00:48:45,298 --> 00:48:49,427 Was it, as Kennedy believed, a negotiating tool over Berlin? 1053 00:48:50,553 --> 00:48:53,097 Despite pressure from his military advisors, 1054 00:48:53,598 --> 00:48:56,643 Kennedy chose the least-provocative alternative. 1055 00:48:56,893 --> 00:48:58,519 [John F. Kennedy] I have directed that the following 1056 00:48:58,603 --> 00:49:01,064 initial steps be taken immediately. 1057 00:49:01,272 --> 00:49:04,609 First, to halt this offensive buildup, 1058 00:49:05,068 --> 00:49:08,529 a strict quarantine on all offensive military equipment 1059 00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:11,240 under shipment to Cuba is being initiated. 1060 00:49:11,866 --> 00:49:13,868 [Sutherland] Kennedy's military advisers, 1061 00:49:13,951 --> 00:49:16,621 led by Air Force General Curtis LeMay, 1062 00:49:16,704 --> 00:49:19,832 considered his refusal to attack as pure folly, 1063 00:49:20,124 --> 00:49:21,834 the equivalent of surrender-- 1064 00:49:26,297 --> 00:49:27,757 [Sutherland] --a reference to Prime Minister 1065 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,550 Neville Chamberlain of Great Britain, 1066 00:49:29,801 --> 00:49:32,553 and the appeasement of the Nazis in 1938 1067 00:49:32,762 --> 00:49:35,306 which eventually led to World War II. 1068 00:49:36,432 --> 00:49:38,726 As the crisis progressed into its second week, 1069 00:49:39,102 --> 00:49:40,812 a U-2 plane was shot down, 1070 00:49:41,396 --> 00:49:44,899 and Kennedy's civilian advisers began to side with LeMay, 1071 00:49:45,274 --> 00:49:47,819 who wanted Kennedy to bomb the missile silos 1072 00:49:47,902 --> 00:49:49,362 and invade the island. 1073 00:49:50,071 --> 00:49:51,823 They did not know that the Cubans 1074 00:49:51,906 --> 00:49:54,992 had short-range tactical nuclear missiles in place. 1075 00:50:03,876 --> 00:50:04,961 [Sutherland] Kennedy had his brother 1076 00:50:05,044 --> 00:50:07,839 meet with Soviet ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin. 1077 00:50:08,506 --> 00:50:11,217 According to the Soviets, Robert Kennedy warned 1078 00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:12,593 that his brother was uncertain 1079 00:50:12,677 --> 00:50:14,679 he could control the military much longer, 1080 00:50:14,929 --> 00:50:16,389 and that a deal could be struck 1081 00:50:16,472 --> 00:50:18,683 along the lines Khrushchev had suggested-- 1082 00:50:18,891 --> 00:50:20,768 a no-invasion pledge 1083 00:50:20,852 --> 00:50:23,604 and a withdrawal of American missiles from Turkey. 1084 00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:27,191 Most Americans felt elated over the end of the crisis, 1085 00:50:27,692 --> 00:50:30,361 but the Joint Chiefs of Staff and LeMay felt 1086 00:50:30,445 --> 00:50:32,530 that they had been defeated by the Soviets 1087 00:50:32,655 --> 00:50:35,742 and denied the opportunity to topple Castro. 1088 00:50:36,451 --> 00:50:38,077 Kennedy looked at it differently. 1089 00:50:38,494 --> 00:50:41,789 He said, "If we followed the Pentagon's advice, 1090 00:50:42,248 --> 00:50:45,460 nobody would be around to tell the generals they were wrong." 1091 00:50:46,711 --> 00:50:49,505 -The main, I think, goal of the Kennedy administration 1092 00:50:49,672 --> 00:50:53,426 is how to work around the State Department, 1093 00:50:53,801 --> 00:50:57,513 working around the CIA, working around the Pentagon, 1094 00:50:57,764 --> 00:51:01,476 how can the Kennedy White House pursue its own policy of peace 1095 00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:04,353 with the rest of the world? With Castro in Cuba, 1096 00:51:04,604 --> 00:51:07,106 with Khrushchev in Moscow, and so on, 1097 00:51:07,899 --> 00:51:11,778 and avoid the horrendous mistakes of the past 1098 00:51:12,153 --> 00:51:14,280 that almost got us into nuclear war. 1099 00:51:15,323 --> 00:51:17,158 [Sutherland] In the midst of these debates, 1100 00:51:17,241 --> 00:51:20,870 Kennedy sent Galbraith to Saigon to write a report 1101 00:51:21,329 --> 00:51:23,206 that would differ in its recommendations 1102 00:51:23,289 --> 00:51:26,334 from what Taylor and Rostow had given to him. 1103 00:51:26,918 --> 00:51:28,127 -Kennedy knew what he wanted, 1104 00:51:28,211 --> 00:51:30,338 and he knew what my father would deliver, which he did, 1105 00:51:30,421 --> 00:51:32,882 which is a very detailed and skeptical report 1106 00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:35,802 about the efficiency of the South Vietnamese government, 1107 00:51:35,885 --> 00:51:38,930 about the capacity of any military force 1108 00:51:39,013 --> 00:51:41,557 to prevail in the security situation 1109 00:51:41,641 --> 00:51:44,060 that was existing in South Vietnam at that time. 1110 00:51:45,311 --> 00:51:47,897 [Sutherland] Kennedy told Galbraith to deliver his report 1111 00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:50,107 to Defense Secretary McNamara. 1112 00:51:50,191 --> 00:51:52,401 And he, in turn, gave instructions 1113 00:51:52,485 --> 00:51:55,238 to begin the withdrawal to General Harkins, 1114 00:51:55,696 --> 00:51:58,407 the commanding general of all forces in Vietnam. 1115 00:51:59,158 --> 00:52:02,245 The Pentagon dragged its feet on formulating plans, 1116 00:52:02,453 --> 00:52:06,249 and McNamara called for a meeting in May of 1963. 1117 00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:10,169 One of the most important finds of the Review Board 1118 00:52:10,378 --> 00:52:12,004 are the notes from this meeting. 1119 00:52:12,755 --> 00:52:14,674 [Douglas Horne] McNamara says, "It's not fast enough. 1120 00:52:14,757 --> 00:52:16,175 I want you to accelerate it." 1121 00:52:16,259 --> 00:52:19,512 He says, "I want to pull out a thousand men in December, 1122 00:52:19,595 --> 00:52:20,596 by the end of the year. 1123 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,558 And I want you to pull out complete units, 1124 00:52:23,808 --> 00:52:26,644 not just individuals, because he didn't want it to be 1125 00:52:26,811 --> 00:52:28,646 an accounting exercise of pulling out, 1126 00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:32,066 delaying other individuals coming in and saying, we pulled out a thousand men. 1127 00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:33,651 He wanted units to come out, full units. 1128 00:52:34,235 --> 00:52:36,863 [Sutherland] After the withdrawal plan was approved, 1129 00:52:37,029 --> 00:52:39,699 Kennedy sent Secretary of Defense McNamara 1130 00:52:39,782 --> 00:52:43,369 and General Taylor to Saigon in September of '63. 1131 00:52:43,870 --> 00:52:47,915 He planned on using their report as the basis to formally order 1132 00:52:47,999 --> 00:52:49,542 the withdrawal to begin. 1133 00:52:50,042 --> 00:52:51,669 Kennedy controlled the report 1134 00:52:51,961 --> 00:52:53,504 since it was actually being written 1135 00:52:53,588 --> 00:52:55,715 under the supervision of Bobby Kennedy. 1136 00:52:56,132 --> 00:52:57,800 But still, men like 1137 00:52:57,884 --> 00:53:01,220 Undersecretary of State William Sullivan and Taylor 1138 00:53:01,304 --> 00:53:04,348 tried to remove the recommendation for withdrawal. 1139 00:53:04,891 --> 00:53:07,685 Kennedy insisted that it stay in. 1140 00:53:08,686 --> 00:53:13,065 -Then Kennedy takes that, secretly, three days later, 1141 00:53:13,357 --> 00:53:16,319 actually issues the order himself at the secret level. 1142 00:53:16,527 --> 00:53:18,613 It doesn't become an NSAM, yet. It should. 1143 00:53:18,696 --> 00:53:20,781 But once it leaks out into the newspapers, 1144 00:53:20,865 --> 00:53:22,867 his opponents find out what he's done, 1145 00:53:23,326 --> 00:53:24,577 then it's in the newspapers. 1146 00:53:24,660 --> 00:53:26,245 And McGeorge Bundy says to Kennedy, 1147 00:53:26,329 --> 00:53:28,205 "Hey, look, you know, if they're talking about it in the newspapers, 1148 00:53:28,289 --> 00:53:29,290 we might as well put it on paper." 1149 00:53:29,582 --> 00:53:31,959 And they put it, and it was NSAM 263. 1150 00:53:32,043 --> 00:53:34,587 And that's how it was actually written and why. 1151 00:53:35,046 --> 00:53:37,006 Well, here's one of the things McNamara said 1152 00:53:37,089 --> 00:53:38,799 in the secret debrief. 1153 00:53:38,883 --> 00:53:42,094 He said, "We had agreed, the president and I, 1154 00:53:42,428 --> 00:53:44,096 that we had trained them, 1155 00:53:44,180 --> 00:53:45,890 we had given them everything we could. 1156 00:53:45,973 --> 00:53:48,059 And if they couldn't win, too bad. 1157 00:53:48,601 --> 00:53:51,771 We had to get out even if they were going to be defeated." 1158 00:53:52,688 --> 00:53:55,066 So he and Kennedy, McNamara and Kennedy, 1159 00:53:55,149 --> 00:53:58,361 had decided that they were willing to pull out of Vietnam 1160 00:53:58,444 --> 00:54:01,405 in a losing scenario. That's very important. 1161 00:54:07,453 --> 00:54:09,789 -Can you tell us about the Air Force One tapes, 1162 00:54:10,247 --> 00:54:11,791 and General Curtis LeMay? 1163 00:54:12,208 --> 00:54:13,918 -On the new version of the Air Force One tapes, 1164 00:54:14,001 --> 00:54:15,127 the Clifton tapes, 1165 00:54:15,211 --> 00:54:17,004 it's revealed that Colonel Dorman, 1166 00:54:17,088 --> 00:54:19,799 General LeMay's aide, was desperately trying to 1167 00:54:20,007 --> 00:54:21,801 contact LeMay on the radio. 1168 00:54:22,259 --> 00:54:23,761 [man] Colonel Dorman, General LeMay's aide? 1169 00:54:23,844 --> 00:54:24,887 [man 2] Right. 1170 00:54:35,731 --> 00:54:38,359 -A logbook was recovered by the ARRB 1171 00:54:38,526 --> 00:54:40,903 from the Air Force Command Post at Andrews. 1172 00:54:40,987 --> 00:54:41,904 And it was given to us 1173 00:54:42,029 --> 00:54:43,948 by a civil servant named Chuck Holmes. 1174 00:54:44,156 --> 00:54:46,909 And this logbook records in-flight conversations 1175 00:54:46,993 --> 00:54:49,453 between a command post at Andrews and Air Force One 1176 00:54:49,537 --> 00:54:51,747 as it's flying from Texas back to Washington. 1177 00:54:51,831 --> 00:54:53,916 [man] Air Force One, this is the Air Force Command Post 1178 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,378 in five, four requesting the names of these passengers 1179 00:54:57,461 --> 00:54:58,462 on board, please. 1180 00:54:58,629 --> 00:55:01,173 -So this log book shows that General LeMay 1181 00:55:01,382 --> 00:55:04,260 at the time of the assassination was in Canada. 1182 00:55:04,343 --> 00:55:05,344 This is really interesting 1183 00:55:05,428 --> 00:55:08,264 because his official biographer says he was hunting in Michigan. 1184 00:55:08,597 --> 00:55:10,057 But we know that's not true. 1185 00:55:10,975 --> 00:55:12,893 He was in Toronto, for reasons unknown, 1186 00:55:13,102 --> 00:55:14,937 without his aide, Colonel Dorman, 1187 00:55:15,021 --> 00:55:16,647 who went with him everywhere. 1188 00:55:16,731 --> 00:55:19,150 This log book reveals that he was ordered 1189 00:55:19,233 --> 00:55:22,319 by Secretary Zuckert to land at Andrews Air Force Base. 1190 00:55:22,445 --> 00:55:24,822 Because all the federal officials were going to meet 1191 00:55:24,905 --> 00:55:27,283 the president's body at Andrews Air Force Base. 1192 00:55:27,366 --> 00:55:29,118 A transmission was made from LeMay's plane 1193 00:55:29,201 --> 00:55:30,786 back to this command post. 1194 00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:34,749 And it says: "General LeMay will not go to Andrews. 1195 00:55:34,832 --> 00:55:37,668 General LeMay will go to DCA, National Airport." 1196 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,964 According to this log, his plane lands at 5:15 p.m., 1197 00:55:42,048 --> 00:55:43,924 well before the autopsy started. 1198 00:55:47,970 --> 00:55:49,847 [Goldberg] Very few people in the Pentagon 1199 00:55:49,930 --> 00:55:53,684 had a worse relationship with Kennedy than Curtis LeMay. 1200 00:55:53,976 --> 00:55:55,394 During the missile crisis, 1201 00:55:55,478 --> 00:55:58,481 he opposed Kennedy's solution of a blockade. 1202 00:55:58,814 --> 00:56:01,275 When Kennedy left the room after this conference, 1203 00:56:01,442 --> 00:56:03,861 LeMay openly ridiculed him. 1204 00:56:03,944 --> 00:56:06,781 LeMay was strongly against the test ban treaty 1205 00:56:06,906 --> 00:56:09,992 Kennedy was working on and signed in 1963. 1206 00:56:10,284 --> 00:56:13,037 He wanted to escalate the Vietnam War, 1207 00:56:13,204 --> 00:56:17,416 with both naval and air power, by carrying the war north. 1208 00:56:17,875 --> 00:56:20,294 He advocated bombing North Vietnam 1209 00:56:20,377 --> 00:56:22,588 back to the Stone Age, if need be, 1210 00:56:23,005 --> 00:56:25,341 and was willing to use atomic weapons 1211 00:56:25,424 --> 00:56:27,301 if the Chinese intervened. 1212 00:56:29,678 --> 00:56:31,931 [Douglas Horne] There were a lot of people at the Bethesda morgue. 1213 00:56:32,014 --> 00:56:33,933 The latest count by all the researchers 1214 00:56:34,016 --> 00:56:36,060 that I know of is about 33 people. 1215 00:56:36,268 --> 00:56:38,270 There was a gallery of bleachers. 1216 00:56:38,479 --> 00:56:41,065 Apparently all three rows were filled with people. 1217 00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:44,401 Both Dr. Humes has complained after the fact 1218 00:56:44,819 --> 00:56:48,614 and Tom Robinson, the mortician from Gawler's Funeral Home. 1219 00:56:48,697 --> 00:56:51,367 They both equated it to a three-ring circus. 1220 00:56:51,575 --> 00:56:53,452 -But these three autopsy pathologists 1221 00:56:53,536 --> 00:56:56,288 who are not really credentialed to do that kind of an autopsy, 1222 00:56:56,372 --> 00:56:59,291 were given a body, told here's the body, 1223 00:56:59,375 --> 00:57:00,960 he was shot from behind, he fell forward, 1224 00:57:01,043 --> 00:57:02,586 which they wrote in their autopsy report. 1225 00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:04,296 Figure out how the wounds fit 1226 00:57:04,380 --> 00:57:05,923 the known circumstances of the shooting. 1227 00:57:06,298 --> 00:57:08,342 But what this really speaks to is the fact 1228 00:57:08,425 --> 00:57:11,595 that the autopsy was not in the control of the surgeons 1229 00:57:11,679 --> 00:57:12,847 that were charged at doing it. 1230 00:57:12,930 --> 00:57:14,807 It was in the control of people who were there, 1231 00:57:14,890 --> 00:57:17,476 who were telling them what they could do and what they couldn't do. 1232 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,145 [Douglas Horne] Paul O'Connor was a Navy corpsman, 1233 00:57:19,228 --> 00:57:20,271 helping the pathologists. 1234 00:57:20,437 --> 00:57:25,734 He told me in 1999. He told others this in 1992. 1235 00:57:25,818 --> 00:57:26,986 He's told several people 1236 00:57:27,194 --> 00:57:29,530 that Dr. Humes, during the autopsy, 1237 00:57:29,613 --> 00:57:32,116 complained that somebody was smoking a cigar, 1238 00:57:32,366 --> 00:57:33,868 tell him to put the damn thing out. 1239 00:57:33,951 --> 00:57:36,579 So O'Connor, he went over to the gallery, 1240 00:57:36,745 --> 00:57:38,664 the three rows of bleachers, 1241 00:57:39,206 --> 00:57:42,459 and there was General LeMay sitting in his uniform 1242 00:57:42,751 --> 00:57:44,587 with a big fat cigar in his hand, 1243 00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:47,423 and LeMay looked at him after he asked him to put it out, 1244 00:57:47,631 --> 00:57:49,550 and promptly blew smoke in his face. 1245 00:57:51,677 --> 00:57:53,512 Did LeMay go to the autopsy 1246 00:57:53,888 --> 00:57:57,057 to gloat over the death of his nemesis? 1247 00:57:57,391 --> 00:58:00,394 [dramatic music] 98223

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