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[tense music]
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[tense music]
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[gunshot]
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[dramatic music]
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[Whoopi Goldberg] The evening
of the assassination,
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the body of President Kennedy
was returned to Washington.
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The autopsy was performed
at Bethesda Medical Center,
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a naval institution.
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And there has always
been a question
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about the practices
of the men who performed
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what was one of
the most important
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and confusing autopsies
of the 20th century.
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-Would Milton Helpern
in New York
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have been a good choice
to do the autopsy?
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-I know this
directly from Milton,
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this is not hearsay.
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He had his bag packed.
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And he had already contacted two
other top forensic pathologists
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to see if they would be available.
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All of the top
forensic pathologists
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in the United States
were within one-hour drive
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or flying time from D.C.
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Not one of them
was called upon.
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The autopsy
should have been done,
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legally speaking, in Dallas.
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And there was a forensic
pathologist, Earl Rose.
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He was there
to assume jurisdiction
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and to do the autopsy.
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He was pushed up against
the wall and threatened.
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Hands on guns,
a lot of expletives and so on,
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he followed them
out to the driveway,
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and they took the body
illegally out of Dallas,
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in violation of the laws of
Dallas and the state of Texas.
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-There were two
Navy pathologists,
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Commander James Humes,
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and his associate,
Jay Thornton Boswell.
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These two military pathologists
who had never done
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a single gunshot wound autopsy
in their entire careers.
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And this is something
that really has to be emphasized
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to every American--
I don't care,
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Democrat, Republican,
liberal, conservative.
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This is your president.
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And you've got
multiple gunshot wounds
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to determine angles,
trajectory, range, sequence.
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And then
you've got to correlate
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with the multiple
gunshot wounds in Connally.
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This is a formidable task
that would have required
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two or three major forensic pathologists
to undertake.
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So they called
Humes and Boswell.
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-They realize
they're over their head.
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They called in an expert
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from the Armed Forces
Institute of Pathology,
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a guy named Pierre Finck.
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Dr. Humes and Boswell
started the autopsy
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before their forensics consultant
even got there.
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They took the brain out.
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Obviously, some key clues
would've been lost
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by doing that.
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But they realized
they were in over their head,
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so they asked to have
a medical examiner
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because Dr. Finck,
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who is a forensic pathologist,
wasn't doing autopsies.
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He hadn't done one
in more than two years.
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So they asked for permission
to bring in somebody
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who knew what they were doing.
Permission was denied.
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[Goldberg]
After Air Force One
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left Dallas for Washington,
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two of the key doctors
who had tried to save
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Kennedy's life
at Parkland Hospital
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held a press conference.
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They were Dr. Malcolm Perry
and Dr. Kemp Clark.
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-What were the two
major points of evidence
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revealed by Kemp Clark
and Malcolm Perry
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at the press conference?
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-Dr. Perry
performed the tracheotomy
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to help Kennedy breathe.
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And at a press conference
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right after
the failed resuscitation efforts in Dallas,
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he was asked, he said,
well, where was the bullet?
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He said the bullet looked
like it was coming at him.
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He had an entrance wound
in the throat.
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Kemp Clark was the head of
neurosurgery at Parkland.
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He said that the president
had a gaping wound
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in the occipital parietal area,
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that's, you know,
the right rear of the head.
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And so the description
he gave of that
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was entirely consistent
with an exit wound.
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And he made that clear
in the press conference.
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[Goldberg] What Clark
and Perry both revealed
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at that press conference
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would indicate an assassin
from the front,
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but no news footage
has survived.
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Although Assistant White House
Press Secretary
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Malcolm Kilduff's statement
that day
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seems to support
this conclusion.
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-Dr. Burkley told me that it was
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a simple matter of a bullet
right through the head.
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[reporter] President Kennedy,
we are now informed,
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was shot in the right temple.
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It was a simple matter
of a bullet
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right through the head,
said Dr. George Burkley,
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the White House medical officer.
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-We have a transcript today
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of what they said
at the press conference.
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So it's White House
transcript 1327-C.
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That's a very important
historical document
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because the Secret Service
confiscated the videotapes
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from the local TV stations.
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[Goldberg]
The Secret Service also lied
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to the Warren Commission
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about there being
no recordings or transcripts
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of the news conference.
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There is, however,
a surviving clip of Dr. Perry
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recorded not long afterward,
where he confirms
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having seen a large wound
in the back of the head.
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The day after the shooting
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and the Parkland
press conference,
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Dr. Perry was seen
by nurse Audrey Bell,
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who had been with him
in the operating room.
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[Audrey Bell] Saturday morning
when I got over there,
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Dr. Perry came up to the office.
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I said, you look awful.
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Did you get any sleep
last night?
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He said, well, not too much.
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Between the calls from Bethesda
that came in during the night.
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I said, what about?
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He said, oh, whether
that was an entrance wound
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or an exit wound in the throat.
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He said, they were wanting me
to change my mind.
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-In his
Warren Commission testimony,
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he basically retracted
what he had said,
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and they forced him
to back down
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and sort of intimidated him
on the witness stand.
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It was really quite embarrassing
for me as a physician
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to see how someone else
who was telling the truth
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was basically forced
to recant his own opinion.
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-In 1975, Dr. Shires hired me
on the faculty
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at the University of Washington
in the cardiac surgery division.
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So I got to know Malcolm
when I joined the faculty.
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We developed
a professional relationship,
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and we would operate together
on complex cases.
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And I was particularly
interested in
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Dr. Perry's position
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with the JFK assassination because
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he did the tracheotomy
on him after he was shot.
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The problem is that Malcolm
categorically refused
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to ever discuss
the assassination.
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And he wouldn't answer my
questions about that neck wound.
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And then one night,
after we had operated together
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for many hours
on a complex case,
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we were sitting
in the surgeon's lounge alone,
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drinking coffee.
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And I once again asked him
about that neck wound.
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And this time, he said,
it was an entrance wound,
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unquestionably
an entrance wound.
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I took that admission as
a given in confidence.
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So it was sort of
tacitly in confidence.
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And then, when he testified
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in front of the House Select
Committee on Assassinations
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a year later,
he once again said
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that it was consistent with
an exit wound,
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which, of course, was required
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if the single bullet theory
would hold water.
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One of the main reasons
he changed his testimony
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and publicly agreed
it was an exit wound is,
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a Secret Service agent
put the pressure on him,
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and that person
was Elmer Moore.
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He apparently was also
in charge
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of getting
the doctors at Parkland,
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in addition to Dr. Perry,
to change their testimony
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and agree that there was
no big hole
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in the back of Kennedy's head
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and that the bullet wound
in the neck was an exit wound.
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In 1970, Elmer Moore
was the head
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of the Secret Service office
in Seattle,
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and a graduate student
named Jim Gochenaur
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became friends with him.
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And he admitted to Gochenaur
that he regretted
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putting pressure on Dr. Perry.
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-So I asked him directly.
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I said, Mr. Moore,
did you pressure Dr. Perry?
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He stopped for a minute.
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He says, well,
I was ordered to do that.
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He expanded on it,
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and he said that Inspector
Kelley had ordered him to
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talk with Perry and
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convince him that it could be
either an exit
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or an entry wound--
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not an entry wound.
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And I thought
it was pretty interesting
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that he would admit to something
that's pretty close to a felony.
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[Goldberg] Charles
Crenshaw, a third-year resident,
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was in the emergency room
at Parkland that day.
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He too,
later said in public
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that he felt the wounds
in Kennedy
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originated from the front.
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-From here
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-[interviewer] Right.
-Through.
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[Gary Aguilar] Charles Crenshaw wrote a book,
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"Conspiracy of Silence"
in the wake of the film "JFK,"
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saying, look,
I was at Parkland Hospital.
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I saw Kennedy, and was involved
in the treatment.
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And Kennedy's wounds were not consistent
with a shot
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from above and behind
because he had a defect
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involving the right rear
of his head.
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-I looked at the wound again.
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I wanted to know and remember
this the rest of my life.
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And the rest of my life,
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I will always know
he was shot from the front.
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[Goldberg] Arlen Specter
was a Yale Law School graduate
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working in
the Philadelphia District Attorney's office
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when he was asked to serve
on the Warren Commission.
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Specter was placed
in charge of medical evidence,
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and when he questioned
Humes and Boswell
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before the Commission, they said
two shots hit the president,
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one in the neck,
one low in the rear skull,
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entirely supporting
the Commission's final conclusions.
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However,
when interviewed by
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the Assassination Records
Review Board,
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Humes and Boswell admitted
to meeting with Specter
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eight to ten times
in advance of their testimony.
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And it is important to note
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that the wound drawings
presented in the Warren Report
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were created in the days
before that testimony
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and were not based
on the autopsy photos.
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Instead, Harold Rydberg,
the 23-year-old head
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of the Medical Illustration Department
at Bethesda,
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was given verbal instructions
by Humes and Boswell who said:
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"We'll tell you what to draw."
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-The Warren Commission
heard testimony
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from a number of witnesses,
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including Parkland doctors,
by the way,
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and including a Secret Service
agent, Clint Hill,
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that the right rear quadrant
of the head was missing.
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[Goldberg] Hill was
the only Secret Service agent
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to run to the presidential
limousine during the shooting.
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He later said that there was blood
and brain tissue
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hurtling back
over the trunk of the car.
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And as he approached
the president,
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he saw a large wound
in the rear of the skull,
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which he could see through
with no brain there.
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-The two FBI agents
at the autopsy,
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Frank O'Neill and James Sibert,
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they reported what they heard
during the autopsy,
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what they heard
the pathologists say--
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specifically, Dr. Humes.
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They were interviewed by
Arlen Specter in early 1964.
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He proceeded to write
very unfavorable comments
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about them in a summary memo
for the record.
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We know with confidence
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why he didn't like
what they had to say
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because they were
providing evidence
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that the single bullet theory
could not be true.
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[Goldberg]
This was as far as
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the investigation would go.
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Neither Sibert nor O'Neill
were asked to testify
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for the Warren Commission,
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and their written notes
became classified.
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In 1997,
their depositions were taken
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by the Assassination
Records Review Board.
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-Both Sibert and O'Neill,
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were shown the photographs
of the back of JFK's head,
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the autopsy photographs,
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that are the most controversial.
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And they both said
that they didn't see
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anything like that
at the autopsy.
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O'Neill had said "it looks like
it's been doctored.
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I don't mean
the photo's been doctored,
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it looks like the head
has been put back together,
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you know, by embalmers
and then photographed."
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That was what he said,
under oath.
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Sibert did not remember
drawing a diagram of the wound
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for the House committee,
so he drew a new one
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for the Review Board.
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And it's one of our most
important wound diagrams.
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And it shows what could
only be an exit defect
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in the right rear of the skull.
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[Goldberg] In 1979, the
House Select Committee report
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stated that 26 people
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present at the autopsy
in Bethesda
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all disagreed with the Parkland
doctor's description
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of Kennedy's head wound.
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-When you went through
the declassified affidavits
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that the House Select
Committee prepared,
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what did you find about
the alleged differences
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between the Parkland
and Bethesda witnesses
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on this issue?
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-Not only were-- were we allowed
to see their statements,
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but we were allowed
to see the sketches
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where they had drawn
the big hole
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on the back of the head.
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And this was totally opposite
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of what the House Select Committee
had told us.
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-When the Assassination Records
Review Board came along,
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out come those
witness statements,
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out come the diagrams.
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And lo and behold,
it turns out
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that the witnesses
at the autopsy
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all agreed with the doctors
at Dallas
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that that defect involved
the rear of the head.
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And the summary statement
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basically misrepresented
that truth.
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They basically lied
about what was there.
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[Goldberg]
To make this even worse,
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if one looks at the official
back of the head photo,
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there appears to be
nothing missing.
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But there likely was something.
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This was a piece of bone
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that did not arrive
in Washington
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until after the autopsy
was over.
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And if it came from
the back of Kennedy's skull,
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it created even more problems
for that picture.
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-The Harper fragment was
a piece of fresh skull bone
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that was found
in Dealey Plaza,
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not on the day
of the assassination,
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but later by Billy Harper.
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-And reached down
and picked it up.
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And at that time knew
that I had something
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that most likely
was significant.
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-It was found in a position
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where the FBI said
that was to the left and rear
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of where Jack Kennedy was
when he was assassinated.
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It was then taken in
by this medical student
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in to his professors.
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And they looked at it
and they said it looked like
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it was occipital bone,
which is back here.
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[Goldberg]
It measured approximately
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three by two inches
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and therefore
would have fit neatly
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in the rear skull wound
visualized by Dr. McClelland.
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This bone was given
to the FBI on the 25th,
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after the autopsy report
had been written by Dr. Humes.
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The FBI gave it to
Kennedy's physician,
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Admiral Burkley,
at which point it disappears.
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All we have today
are the pictures
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taken of it in Dallas.
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This bit of evidence
raises the question:
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If the rear of the skull
in the official autopsy,
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was mostly filled in
with bone fragments
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found in the limousine,
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where does
the Harper fragment fit?
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-Never realized Kennedy was so dangerous
to the establishment.
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Is that why?
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-Well, that's the real question, isn't it?
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Why?
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The "how" and the "who"
is just scenery for the public.
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Oswald, Ruby, Cuba, the Mafia,
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keeps 'em guessing
like some kind of polygon.
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And prevents them from asking
the most important question.
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Why?
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Why was Kennedy killed?
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Who benefited?
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Who has the power
to cover it up?
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Who?
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[typewriter clinks]
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[Donald Sutherland] At age 34,
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Congressman John F. Kennedy
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realized that if he were
going to challenge
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for a seat in the Senate,
he needed to broaden
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his knowledge
of foreign affairs.
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So he decided, in 1951,
to take a seven-week journey
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to the Middle East and Asia,
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accompanied by
his sister Patricia
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and his brother Robert.
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During their stop in Vietnam,
Kennedy planned to meet
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with Edmund Gullion.
Gullion was a career diplomat
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who had once helped Kennedy write
a foreign policy speech.
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Kennedy and his brother
made it a point to seek him out,
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meeting at a rooftop
restaurant in Saigon.
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-And it was one of
the most important experiences
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in his pre-presidential career.
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[cannons booming]
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A war was going on--
France versus the Viet Minh.
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Eighty percent
of their military material
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was coming from
the United States.
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[Sutherland] And because
of this, Kennedy wanted to see
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what the status of this brutal,
colonial war really was.
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[Philip Muehlenbeck] When he met
with the French generals,
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that's when he formed
the impression
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that the war was going well,
because that was, you know,
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what the French generals
were telling him.
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His opinion started to change
when he met Edmund Gullion.
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He had told Kennedy
that the French
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were actually losing the war,
and that the war was unwinnable.
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In fact, he said that if the US
were to replace the French,
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that the US
would also lose the war.
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-Because Gullion
made JFK understand
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that nothing short of
independence
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would ever win in Vietnam.
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And if independence had to come
at the hands of the communists,
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they would go
with the communists
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rather than stay a colony
of any independent force.
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[Sutherland]
Gullion's warning that America
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was backing
an imminent French defeat
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caused Kennedy to begin
a six-year crusade
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to formulate an alternative foreign policy,
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one opposed to
the confrontational
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with-us-or-against-us
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advocated by
President Harry Truman.
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Truman had broken away
from his predecessor
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Franklin Roosevelt's strategy
of cooperation with the USSR,
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00:19:45,393 --> 00:19:48,396
creating a worldwide
Cold War face-off,
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00:19:48,813 --> 00:19:51,190
later amplified by
Dwight Eisenhower
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and his Secretary of State,
John Foster Dulles.
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-Can you describe
the 1953 letter
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that JFK sent to Dulles
about Indochina?
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00:20:01,034 --> 00:20:03,912
-He sent a letter
to John Foster Dulles,
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00:20:03,995 --> 00:20:08,666
who was then Secretary of State,
asking him 47 questions
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00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:12,337
about American support
for France in Vietnam.
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00:20:12,962 --> 00:20:15,381
One of those questions was,
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00:20:15,882 --> 00:20:19,344
"What specific evidence
is there, Mr. Secretary,
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that France is winning the war?"
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[Sutherland] Foster Dulles'
eventual answer to this letter
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00:20:25,183 --> 00:20:27,810
was codenamed Operation Vulture.
415
00:20:28,102 --> 00:20:30,730
Vice President Richard Nixon
was the main lobbyist
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00:20:30,813 --> 00:20:33,524
for the air operation
in Congress.
417
00:20:33,608 --> 00:20:35,860
Planned as a massive air armada,
418
00:20:35,944 --> 00:20:38,905
it featured scores of bombers
and fighter planes
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designed to save
the French position
420
00:20:41,282 --> 00:20:43,034
at what would become
the fatal siege
421
00:20:43,117 --> 00:20:46,496
of Dien Bien Phu
in the spring of 1954.
422
00:20:46,871 --> 00:20:49,415
Vulture included
the possibility of dropping
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two or three atomic bombs.
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00:20:52,085 --> 00:20:53,294
[Aaron Good]
The US leadership--
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00:20:53,378 --> 00:20:54,796
John Foster Dulles
in particular--
426
00:20:55,380 --> 00:20:57,590
took the initiative
to offer the French
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00:20:57,674 --> 00:20:59,258
the use of the nuclear weapons.
428
00:20:59,342 --> 00:21:00,843
And even the French
themselves said
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00:21:00,927 --> 00:21:02,762
this is going too far for us.
430
00:21:02,845 --> 00:21:06,182
This is going too far,
and we can't be a party to this.
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00:21:06,724 --> 00:21:08,351
[Sutherland] Kennedy spoke
on the Senate floor
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in strong opposition to Vulture.
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[John F. Kennedy] No amount
of American military assistance
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in Indochina can conquer
an enemy which is everywhere
435
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and at the same time nowhere;
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an enemy of the people
which has the sympathy
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00:21:21,364 --> 00:21:23,157
and covert support
of the people.
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00:21:23,825 --> 00:21:25,785
[Sutherland] When Eisenhower
could not get the British
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to sign on to the project,
he rejected it.
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And as Ambassador Gullion
predicted,
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France lost its colonial war
in Indochina.
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00:21:40,425 --> 00:21:41,592
Kennedy gave his support
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00:21:41,676 --> 00:21:45,388
to the liberal presidential candidate
Adlai Stevenson
444
00:21:45,471 --> 00:21:47,181
and began giving speeches
445
00:21:47,265 --> 00:21:50,977
confronting the shared Cold War
orthodoxies of both parties.
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00:21:52,186 --> 00:21:53,521
[John F. Kennedy]
The determination of people
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to control their
national destinies.
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In my opinion,
the tragic failure
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of both Republican
and Democratic administrations
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to comprehend the nature
of this revolution
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has reaped
a bitter harvest today.
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And it is by rights
and by necessity
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00:22:07,869 --> 00:22:10,455
a major foreign policy
campaign issue
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that has nothing to do
with anti-communism.
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[Sutherland] Even for
the liberal Stevenson,
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that was too much.
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His office wired Kennedy
and specifically requested
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that he make no more
foreign policy statements
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in any way associated
with the campaign.
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00:22:26,387 --> 00:22:28,681
The next year, in 1957,
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00:22:29,140 --> 00:22:31,267
Kennedy found
the perfect opportunity
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to assault Foster Dulles,
Nixon and Eisenhower
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and to establish
an alternative American foreign policy.
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00:22:41,194 --> 00:22:47,158
-Algeria became the last stand
for France in its imperium.
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There was about a million two
hundred thousand French citizens
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who were resident
in North Africa generally,
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but in Algeria specifically,
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00:22:56,834 --> 00:22:58,086
called Pieds-Noirs.
469
00:22:58,544 --> 00:23:01,130
And they were completely
behind the war effort,
470
00:23:01,672 --> 00:23:04,884
and they were threatening
French politicians.
471
00:23:04,967 --> 00:23:08,096
And what had happened
in the French Officer Corps
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00:23:08,304 --> 00:23:10,932
that was very, very critical
and very dangerous
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00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:14,268
was that after the defeat
in Vietnam,
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a secret organization
called the OAS,
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00:23:18,689 --> 00:23:20,983
the Organization de la Secrete,
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00:23:21,067 --> 00:23:23,361
threatened
the government in Paris
477
00:23:23,444 --> 00:23:27,156
that if there was any withdrawal
or any negotiations
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with the Algerian nationalists,
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that that government
would be overthrown.
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[Sutherland]
The Algerian conflict,
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00:23:34,956 --> 00:23:38,376
fought guerrilla-style,
devolved into terror,
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torture and atrocities
on both sides.
483
00:23:43,631 --> 00:23:45,842
France escalated the war--
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00:23:45,925 --> 00:23:48,511
a point counterpoint
of terror act
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followed by retaliation.
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-Can you tell us
how did support in Algeria
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differ from Vietnam?
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-In Algeria,
it was support in a
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00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:01,524
in a political sense.
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00:24:01,607 --> 00:24:03,484
We supplied them through NATO
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00:24:03,568 --> 00:24:07,238
with some amount of
weaponry and aircraft,
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00:24:07,613 --> 00:24:10,992
but not to the extent
that we had in Vietnam.
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00:24:11,075 --> 00:24:15,204
It was a war that was
so violent and so lethal
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00:24:15,288 --> 00:24:17,165
that the Americans stood aside.
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00:24:17,498 --> 00:24:20,710
They supported France, but
they didn't want to be involved.
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00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:22,962
[Sutherland]
It was against this backdrop
497
00:24:23,045 --> 00:24:25,214
that Kennedy chose to
express his differences
498
00:24:25,298 --> 00:24:28,259
with the monster that Dulles
and Eisenhower had created,
499
00:24:28,634 --> 00:24:31,053
one now staggering
out of control.
500
00:24:31,762 --> 00:24:33,806
He attacked both
Washington and Paris
501
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for not seeing in Algeria,
502
00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:41,022
a reprise of the 1954
French collapse in Vietnam.
503
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,651
-I am introducing a resolution
which I believe outlines
504
00:24:45,735 --> 00:24:48,988
the best hope for peace
for the settlement in Algeria,
505
00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:52,366
to achieve a solution
which will recognize
506
00:24:52,783 --> 00:24:55,161
the independent personality
of Algeria
507
00:24:55,870 --> 00:24:58,039
and establish the basis
for a settlement
508
00:24:58,122 --> 00:25:01,667
interdependent with France
and the neighboring nations.
509
00:25:01,751 --> 00:25:04,378
[Robert Rakove] Very few people,
none with his prominence,
510
00:25:04,795 --> 00:25:06,672
had been willing to say
what he said,
511
00:25:06,756 --> 00:25:10,218
which was to challenge
a kind of default Euro-centrism
512
00:25:10,301 --> 00:25:11,928
in American foreign policy,
513
00:25:12,011 --> 00:25:14,805
to challenge the kind of
"Europe First" outlook,
514
00:25:15,139 --> 00:25:18,017
especially toward conflicts
in the colonial world.
515
00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:19,101
And Kennedy could even say,
516
00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:21,103
look, this isn't even
doing France any favors.
517
00:25:21,646 --> 00:25:26,442
-That speech earned him
the vitriol,
518
00:25:27,068 --> 00:25:29,487
not only of Republicans
like Nelson Rockefeller,
519
00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:32,031
Barry Goldwater,
Ronald Reagan, et cetera,
520
00:25:32,782 --> 00:25:35,868
but also Democrats
like Adlai Stevenson,
521
00:25:36,369 --> 00:25:39,080
because they saw
that colonial empire
522
00:25:39,163 --> 00:25:40,706
as the only thing
that was holding
523
00:25:40,790 --> 00:25:42,875
the European economy together.
524
00:25:42,959 --> 00:25:45,419
And Europe was the bulwark
against communism.
525
00:25:45,586 --> 00:25:49,382
We had to support
their colonial aspirations
526
00:25:49,674 --> 00:25:51,467
and ambitions in Africa.
527
00:25:52,343 --> 00:25:55,263
My uncle said,
"No, we shouldn't be doing that.
528
00:25:55,638 --> 00:25:58,599
That is going to,
in the long run, weaken us.
529
00:25:58,683 --> 00:26:01,811
And in any event, it's against
every American ideal.
530
00:26:02,603 --> 00:26:04,563
We should be
supporting democracy
531
00:26:04,647 --> 00:26:06,565
wherever it pops up
in the world."
532
00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:08,943
[Richard Mahoney]
Well, Joe Kennedy, his father,
533
00:26:09,235 --> 00:26:13,572
who had a very significant role
in his son's career
534
00:26:13,656 --> 00:26:17,994
at all times, took him aside
and surprisingly said to him,
535
00:26:18,077 --> 00:26:20,246
one day, people are going to see
536
00:26:20,329 --> 00:26:22,581
that you really knew
what you were talking about.
537
00:26:22,999 --> 00:26:25,418
And in fact,
that's exactly what happened.
538
00:26:25,835 --> 00:26:29,046
The fourth republic fell.
De Gaulle came in
539
00:26:29,130 --> 00:26:32,216
and he immediately
initiated talks
540
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:34,343
with the Algerian nationalists.
541
00:26:37,305 --> 00:26:39,598
[Sutherland] In the
archipelago nation of Indonesia,
542
00:26:40,057 --> 00:26:43,185
President Sukarno had fought
a long battle for independence
543
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:44,979
from the Dutch colonists.
544
00:26:45,354 --> 00:26:47,064
A self-styled Nationalist,
545
00:26:47,148 --> 00:26:50,526
he balanced the country's communist party,
the PKI,
546
00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:52,820
with his military,
attempting to create
547
00:26:52,903 --> 00:26:55,489
what he termed
"guided democracy."
548
00:26:56,073 --> 00:26:58,743
Partly as a reaction
to the CIA-backed overthrow
549
00:26:58,826 --> 00:27:01,704
of democratic governments
in Guatemala and Iran,
550
00:27:01,787 --> 00:27:05,624
Sukarno and other Third World
leaders arranged a conference
551
00:27:05,708 --> 00:27:08,753
in Bandung, Indonesia in 1955,
552
00:27:09,462 --> 00:27:13,424
beginning what became known
as the Non-Aligned Movement.
553
00:27:13,507 --> 00:27:15,843
[Oliver Stone] And how
did Kennedy's approach to the
554
00:27:15,926 --> 00:27:19,055
Non-Aligned Movement
differ from Dulles'?
555
00:27:19,138 --> 00:27:21,182
-John Foster Dulles
had said that
556
00:27:21,265 --> 00:27:23,642
the policy of neutrality
was immoral.
557
00:27:24,268 --> 00:27:26,062
John Foster Dulles
and Allen Dulles
558
00:27:26,145 --> 00:27:27,688
came from a Christian background,
559
00:27:27,772 --> 00:27:31,150
and they felt, you know,
what they had to say
560
00:27:31,233 --> 00:27:32,985
was good enough
for the rest of the world,
561
00:27:33,069 --> 00:27:34,612
that they knew more
than the president.
562
00:27:34,695 --> 00:27:36,739
There were things
they didn't tell Eisenhower
563
00:27:36,822 --> 00:27:39,033
that they were doing
under his administration.
564
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:43,621
[Sutherland] In 1958,
Indonesian military dissidents
565
00:27:43,704 --> 00:27:47,666
rebelled against Sukarno
and at Eisenhower's direction,
566
00:27:48,042 --> 00:27:51,462
the CIA initiated
plans to assist them
567
00:27:51,545 --> 00:27:53,547
in overthrowing their president.
568
00:27:54,340 --> 00:27:55,466
[Bradley Simpson]
The United States,
569
00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:58,177
under John Foster Dulles
and his brother Allen Dulles
570
00:27:58,260 --> 00:27:59,512
who was the head of the CIA
571
00:27:59,595 --> 00:28:03,974
saw support for the rebellion as a means
of weakening Sukarno,
572
00:28:04,058 --> 00:28:06,185
potentially breaking up
the archipelago,
573
00:28:06,268 --> 00:28:08,938
and weakening the Indonesian
Communist Party.
574
00:28:09,021 --> 00:28:10,481
And so, for more than a year,
575
00:28:10,564 --> 00:28:12,900
the United States carried out
what, up to that point,
576
00:28:12,983 --> 00:28:15,444
was the largest
and most destructive
577
00:28:15,528 --> 00:28:18,280
covert operation
of the Asian Cold War
578
00:28:18,364 --> 00:28:21,534
in which thousands
of US troops were involved,
579
00:28:22,076 --> 00:28:25,371
in which millions of dollars
in weapons and supplies
580
00:28:25,454 --> 00:28:27,873
were given to
the regional rebellions,
581
00:28:27,957 --> 00:28:30,459
and in which thousands
of people were killed.
582
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,295
[Sutherland]
A CIA pilot, Alan Pope,
583
00:28:33,879 --> 00:28:35,673
was shot down
during the operation,
584
00:28:35,756 --> 00:28:39,677
exposing US involvement,
and the coup attempt failed.
585
00:28:40,803 --> 00:28:43,055
[Robert Rakove] Kennedy,
looking at the broad scope
586
00:28:43,139 --> 00:28:45,349
of American history,
American foreign policy
587
00:28:45,433 --> 00:28:46,892
was fundamentally neutral.
588
00:28:47,685 --> 00:28:49,103
World War I
was the great exception,
589
00:28:49,186 --> 00:28:51,605
until, of course,
the Second World War.
590
00:28:52,898 --> 00:28:54,358
He saw nothing wrong with it.
591
00:28:54,442 --> 00:28:57,236
He could also draw
from the experiences he'd had
592
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,655
traveling in the Middle East
in the early 1950s.
593
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:01,449
He could draw from
the example of Ireland
594
00:29:01,532 --> 00:29:03,367
during the Second World War,
which had achieved
595
00:29:03,451 --> 00:29:05,911
a kind of difficult
and controversial neutrality.
596
00:29:06,454 --> 00:29:08,706
[Sutherland] Kennedy's
interest in self-determination
597
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:11,792
for the Third World
led him to become chairman
598
00:29:11,876 --> 00:29:16,964
of the US Senate African
Affairs Subcommittee in 1958.
599
00:29:17,339 --> 00:29:20,968
-We had a delegation from Kenya come
to our house on the Cape.
600
00:29:21,051 --> 00:29:22,928
And the head of
that delegation
601
00:29:23,012 --> 00:29:24,180
was a man named Tom Mboya,
602
00:29:24,263 --> 00:29:26,724
who was a great
Labor leader in Africa.
603
00:29:26,807 --> 00:29:30,019
Around 1959,
the British said to Kenya,
604
00:29:30,102 --> 00:29:32,480
"We're going to leave,
we'll give you five years
605
00:29:32,563 --> 00:29:34,940
to figure out
how to rule this country."
606
00:29:35,608 --> 00:29:37,776
Mboya looked around and said,
607
00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:40,738
"There's not a single
black child in this country
608
00:29:40,821 --> 00:29:42,072
who has a college degree."
609
00:29:42,490 --> 00:29:45,659
So he wrote letters
to every college in America.
610
00:29:46,076 --> 00:29:48,162
And he got a hundred of them,
including Harvard,
611
00:29:49,038 --> 00:29:50,623
to commit to
give a scholarship
612
00:29:50,706 --> 00:29:52,166
to one Kenyan child.
613
00:29:52,249 --> 00:29:54,752
And he would choose the
smartest kids in the country.
614
00:29:55,503 --> 00:29:58,255
My uncle was so impressed by him
615
00:29:59,173 --> 00:30:01,592
that he wrote him
a $100,000 check
616
00:30:01,675 --> 00:30:03,302
to bring these kids over.
617
00:30:03,385 --> 00:30:06,805
In 2004,
the Democratic convention
618
00:30:06,889 --> 00:30:10,809
was in Boston, and I was asked to speak
on the environment.
619
00:30:10,893 --> 00:30:15,731
Right after I spoke,
it was a young first-term,
620
00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,817
first-year Democratic senator
from Illinois
621
00:30:18,901 --> 00:30:22,196
who nobody had ever heard of,
who gave a speech
622
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:24,907
that blew the roof
off the convention.
623
00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:26,534
-The hope
of a millworker's son
624
00:30:26,617 --> 00:30:28,327
who dares to defy to odds;
625
00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:31,205
the hope of a skinny kid
with a funny name
626
00:30:31,288 --> 00:30:33,749
who believes that America
has a place for him too.
627
00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:36,418
[cheers]
628
00:30:37,419 --> 00:30:40,089
[Robert F. Kennedy Jr.]
And I asked him about his life,
629
00:30:40,172 --> 00:30:41,090
I knew nothing about him.
630
00:30:41,173 --> 00:30:43,050
And he said that his father
was Kenyan.
631
00:30:43,133 --> 00:30:46,762
And I said, "Oh, have you
ever heard of Tom Mboya?"
632
00:30:47,304 --> 00:30:48,556
And he said to me,
633
00:30:48,639 --> 00:30:51,141
"Tom Mboya is the reason
I'm in this country"
634
00:30:51,225 --> 00:30:53,143
because his father
was the first kid
635
00:30:53,227 --> 00:30:54,645
brought over on the airlift.
636
00:31:00,484 --> 00:31:01,944
[Sutherland]
Kennedy was now the man to see
637
00:31:02,027 --> 00:31:04,029
for visiting
African dignitaries.
638
00:31:04,446 --> 00:31:07,783
During the 1960 campaign
against Richard Nixon,
639
00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:11,370
JFK mentioned Africa
nearly 500 times.
640
00:31:11,745 --> 00:31:12,913
The night of the election,
641
00:31:12,997 --> 00:31:15,541
the Algerian rebels
listened by radio
642
00:31:15,624 --> 00:31:17,376
from their hillside camps,
643
00:31:17,459 --> 00:31:20,879
hoping their American friend would win
the seesaw battle.
644
00:31:22,089 --> 00:31:25,884
It came as a shock to many,
including Eisenhower and Nixon,
645
00:31:26,385 --> 00:31:28,721
when Kennedy won
a narrow victory.
646
00:31:28,804 --> 00:31:31,807
[โชโชโช]
647
00:31:36,395 --> 00:31:39,398
[hum of traffic]
648
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,028
[โชโชโช]
649
00:31:44,445 --> 00:31:48,365
[Goldberg] The JFK case
was such a massive confusion
650
00:31:48,449 --> 00:31:50,117
that the Warren Commission version
651
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,994
of the firing sequence
652
00:31:52,077 --> 00:31:55,914
differed from both
the FBI's and the CIA's.
653
00:31:56,290 --> 00:31:59,918
Although it never specified
the order of the shots,
654
00:32:00,210 --> 00:32:04,089
the Warren Report had one bullet
going through Kennedy
655
00:32:04,173 --> 00:32:05,924
and Governor Connally.
656
00:32:06,008 --> 00:32:07,468
Another missing the car,
657
00:32:07,551 --> 00:32:11,221
hitting a bystander on
Commerce Street, James Tague.
658
00:32:11,305 --> 00:32:14,475
And the final shot
hitting Kennedy in the head.
659
00:32:14,892 --> 00:32:16,352
The FBI concluded
660
00:32:16,435 --> 00:32:19,355
that all three bullets
struck inside the car,
661
00:32:19,438 --> 00:32:22,441
two hitting Kennedy,
and one hitting Connally.
662
00:32:23,484 --> 00:32:25,402
The CIA analysis said
663
00:32:25,486 --> 00:32:29,573
that the first shot did not come
from the sixth-floor window,
664
00:32:29,657 --> 00:32:32,910
and further, that
two shooters were involved.
665
00:32:33,661 --> 00:32:35,788
Their photographic analysis
666
00:32:35,871 --> 00:32:39,667
based on the Zapruder film
was closely held,
667
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:44,338
records showing that it only
went to Director John McCone.
668
00:32:44,838 --> 00:32:48,092
Like the FBI analysis,
the Warren Commission
669
00:32:48,175 --> 00:32:51,261
either never received it,
or chose to ignore it.
670
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:54,973
-The Warren Commission
put itself in a straitjacket.
671
00:32:55,057 --> 00:32:58,352
They could not possibly
allow more than three shots
672
00:32:58,435 --> 00:33:00,396
because four shots or more
673
00:33:00,479 --> 00:33:02,564
would have clearly
indicated conspiracy
674
00:33:02,648 --> 00:33:03,941
and they were not going there.
675
00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:05,526
-When Oswald,
676
00:33:05,609 --> 00:33:07,986
under the Warren Commission's conclusion,
677
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:11,281
had the best opportunity,
it's a lineup,
678
00:33:11,365 --> 00:33:14,618
and as the cars approached
on Houston Street,
679
00:33:15,411 --> 00:33:17,913
then getting closer and closer,
680
00:33:18,622 --> 00:33:22,084
and there you are, Mr. Oswald.
681
00:33:22,167 --> 00:33:24,253
It's coming right at you.
682
00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:26,880
But you wait
until the cars turn
683
00:33:27,715 --> 00:33:29,258
and they're going down
Elm Street
684
00:33:29,341 --> 00:33:30,801
on a diagonal downward.
685
00:33:30,884 --> 00:33:31,802
And the vision is
686
00:33:31,885 --> 00:33:34,221
partially blocked by
foliage on the trees.
687
00:33:34,304 --> 00:33:35,639
And that's when you shoot.
688
00:33:35,723 --> 00:33:37,766
-[echoing gunshot]
-So somehow the first shot,
689
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,853
which he should have been
better prepared for, he missed.
690
00:33:40,936 --> 00:33:45,274
And then the second shot
is the one that ultimately,
691
00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:48,736
they said was the hero
of the single bullet theory
692
00:33:48,819 --> 00:33:50,362
that went into Kennedy's back
693
00:33:50,446 --> 00:33:53,115
and produced the seven wounds
in him and Connally.
694
00:33:53,198 --> 00:33:55,868
And then the third shot hit,
according to them,
695
00:33:55,951 --> 00:33:57,411
Kennedy in the head.
696
00:33:57,911 --> 00:34:00,414
[reporter] It appears as though
something has happened.
697
00:34:00,497 --> 00:34:02,916
-As they began to reflect
upon this
698
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,713
into March, April of 1964,
they were faced with
699
00:34:07,796 --> 00:34:11,258
a seemingly impossible
physical incongruity.
700
00:34:11,341 --> 00:34:13,761
Because they had a problem
701
00:34:13,844 --> 00:34:16,430
with the chronology
of the Zapruder film,
702
00:34:16,513 --> 00:34:20,100
which showed that Connally
is hit about 1.5 seconds
703
00:34:20,184 --> 00:34:21,518
after Kennedy is hit.
704
00:34:21,602 --> 00:34:24,021
Well, the problem was
the best marksman
705
00:34:24,104 --> 00:34:26,440
they could find not worrying about re-aiming
706
00:34:26,523 --> 00:34:28,025
and repositioning
and a moving target,
707
00:34:28,108 --> 00:34:30,360
2.3 seconds
for this piece of junk,
708
00:34:30,444 --> 00:34:32,237
the most inferior weapon
of the genre,
709
00:34:32,321 --> 00:34:33,572
the Mannlicher Carcano.
710
00:34:33,655 --> 00:34:36,617
Now 2.3 seconds
versus 1.5 seconds.
711
00:34:36,700 --> 00:34:38,827
Arlen Specter,
junior legal counsel,
712
00:34:38,911 --> 00:34:40,496
later to become
district attorney,
713
00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:42,623
and then U.S. senator
from Pennsylvania,
714
00:34:42,706 --> 00:34:45,501
he is the one that gave birth
to the single bullet theory.
715
00:34:45,584 --> 00:34:46,502
[camera clicks]
716
00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:49,838
Ah ha! What if one bullet
made all seven wounds?
717
00:34:49,922 --> 00:34:52,466
What if one bullet
went into Kennedy's back and--
718
00:34:52,549 --> 00:34:54,218
and came out his neck,
719
00:34:54,301 --> 00:34:57,054
and then went into Connolly's
back through his chest,
720
00:34:57,137 --> 00:34:58,096
out the front of his chest,
721
00:34:58,180 --> 00:34:59,598
into the back
of his right wrist,
722
00:34:59,681 --> 00:35:02,142
out the front of his right wrist
and into his left thigh?
723
00:35:02,434 --> 00:35:05,646
And that is the
single bullet theory,
724
00:35:05,729 --> 00:35:07,022
which Mark Lane, I think,
725
00:35:07,105 --> 00:35:10,901
was the first one to dub as
"the magic bullet theory."
726
00:35:11,151 --> 00:35:14,238
CE 399
was the magic bullet,
727
00:35:14,696 --> 00:35:17,407
and all government investigations so far
728
00:35:17,908 --> 00:35:19,535
have treated that bullet
729
00:35:19,618 --> 00:35:23,121
as absolutely foundational
to this case;
730
00:35:23,205 --> 00:35:26,208
never doubted that it was involved
in the case,
731
00:35:26,416 --> 00:35:29,294
and never really looked at
the provenance of the bullet.
732
00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:32,589
[Goldberg] The other
problem is the lack of damage
733
00:35:32,673 --> 00:35:35,467
to the bullet after
going through two men,
734
00:35:35,843 --> 00:35:39,346
smashing two bones,
and making seven wounds.
735
00:35:39,429 --> 00:35:42,391
Dr. Joseph Dolce
was a much-honored
736
00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:45,561
battlefield surgeon
during World War II.
737
00:35:45,644 --> 00:35:47,187
He worked
for the Warren Commission.
738
00:35:47,896 --> 00:35:50,399
-And so they gave
us the original rifle,
739
00:35:50,482 --> 00:35:55,028
the Mannlicher Carcano, plus
100 bullets, 6.5 millimeters.
740
00:35:55,863 --> 00:35:59,116
And we went and we shot
the cadaver wrists.
741
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,660
And in every instance,
742
00:36:02,661 --> 00:36:06,123
the front or the tip
of the bullet was smashed.
743
00:36:06,206 --> 00:36:09,710
Under no circumstances
do I feel that this bullet
744
00:36:09,793 --> 00:36:12,087
could hit the wrist
and still not be deformed.
745
00:36:12,546 --> 00:36:13,881
[Goldberg]
Dolce came to believe
746
00:36:13,964 --> 00:36:16,550
that two bullets
had struck Connally.
747
00:36:16,633 --> 00:36:17,968
Since Arlen Specter
748
00:36:18,051 --> 00:36:21,013
pre-screened the medical witnesses
for the Commission,
749
00:36:21,096 --> 00:36:23,807
Dolce's name is not
in the Warren Report,
750
00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:26,894
and his testimony
is not in the volumes.
751
00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:30,439
In September of 1978,
752
00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:33,650
the House Select Committee
on Assassinations
753
00:36:33,734 --> 00:36:38,071
tried again
to link CE 399 to the case
754
00:36:38,155 --> 00:36:40,741
through the work
of Dr. Vincent Guinn,
755
00:36:40,824 --> 00:36:44,202
and a test called
Neutron Activation Analysis,
756
00:36:44,286 --> 00:36:46,997
which attempted
to show that all fragments
757
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,877
and CE 399
came from only two bullets.
758
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,253
[David Mantik]
Robert Blakey,
759
00:36:53,337 --> 00:36:56,673
who was in charge of the
investigation for the House,
760
00:36:56,757 --> 00:37:00,010
claimed that their work
with Neutron Activation Analysis
761
00:37:00,093 --> 00:37:03,513
was the linchpin
of the case against Oswald.
762
00:37:03,931 --> 00:37:05,724
[Goldberg] Partly
because of the renewed interest
763
00:37:05,807 --> 00:37:10,228
in the JFK case, this test
came under severe criticism.
764
00:37:10,312 --> 00:37:12,606
-People
who had deep experience
765
00:37:12,689 --> 00:37:14,316
in Neutron Activation Analysis
766
00:37:14,399 --> 00:37:16,401
at Lawrence Livermore
Laboratory
767
00:37:16,485 --> 00:37:17,903
re-looked at that
768
00:37:17,986 --> 00:37:21,031
and said that those fragments
that-that came out
769
00:37:21,114 --> 00:37:23,033
might not have even come
from Mannlicher Carcano bullets,
770
00:37:23,116 --> 00:37:25,494
and they could have come
from any one of five bullets,
771
00:37:25,577 --> 00:37:26,620
not the two.
772
00:37:26,703 --> 00:37:28,455
So that
has been completely debunked.
773
00:37:28,705 --> 00:37:30,874
So much so that
Neutron Activation Analysis,
774
00:37:30,958 --> 00:37:33,752
which the FBI used to
use in prosecutions,
775
00:37:33,835 --> 00:37:35,712
was given up more than
ten years ago.
776
00:37:35,837 --> 00:37:36,922
They don't do that anymore
777
00:37:37,005 --> 00:37:38,507
because they know
that it's junk science.
778
00:37:38,715 --> 00:37:41,093
[Goldberg] Without
this test, there was no proof
779
00:37:41,176 --> 00:37:45,722
that CE 399 and the fragments
in Governor Connally's wrist
780
00:37:45,806 --> 00:37:47,265
are from the same bullet.
781
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:49,059
And even Connally refused
782
00:37:49,142 --> 00:37:51,353
to accept the
single bullet theory.
783
00:37:54,398 --> 00:37:55,357
-Did the Warren Commission
784
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,694
do experiments with
the alleged Oswald rifle on skulls?
785
00:38:00,112 --> 00:38:03,615
[Gary Aguilar] They did human
skull experiments in 1964,
786
00:38:03,699 --> 00:38:05,325
at Aberdeen Proving Ground.
787
00:38:05,409 --> 00:38:07,828
They filled human skulls
with human-equivalent material,
788
00:38:08,036 --> 00:38:10,330
and they were
testified to under oath
789
00:38:10,414 --> 00:38:12,332
by Larry Sturdivan,
the House Select Committee.
790
00:38:12,416 --> 00:38:15,919
He says, "As you can see,
every skull, all ten of them,
791
00:38:16,003 --> 00:38:17,546
moved away from the rifle."
792
00:38:17,629 --> 00:38:19,506
[echoing gunshot]
793
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:21,717
-The trajectory
from the sixth floor
794
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,677
of the Texas School Book
Depository,
795
00:38:24,177 --> 00:38:26,138
Z-312 or Z-313,
796
00:38:26,221 --> 00:38:28,140
the trajectory
would have resulted in
797
00:38:28,223 --> 00:38:30,934
a blow-out through the face,
and this was confirmed
798
00:38:31,018 --> 00:38:33,645
even by the government's
own data.
799
00:38:33,729 --> 00:38:35,480
[Goldberg]
And photos from the autopsy
800
00:38:35,564 --> 00:38:38,525
clearly show Kennedy's
face to be intact.
801
00:38:38,942 --> 00:38:41,820
And the Warren Commission
was aware of something else
802
00:38:41,903 --> 00:38:43,822
that was wrong
with their evidence.
803
00:38:43,905 --> 00:38:45,824
-All kinds of ballistic tests
804
00:38:45,907 --> 00:38:48,243
show that the bullets,
in fact, came from that rifle.
805
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:49,494
That was his rifle.
806
00:38:49,578 --> 00:38:51,038
You took a picture of him with it.
807
00:38:51,413 --> 00:38:53,123
-No, no, no.
-[interviewer] His palm prints,
808
00:38:53,206 --> 00:38:55,500
and fingerprints were all over
the School Book Depository.
809
00:38:55,584 --> 00:38:57,335
[Marina Porter]
You have been misinformed.
810
00:38:57,419 --> 00:39:01,173
The ballistics test
did not prove anything at all.
811
00:39:01,757 --> 00:39:03,967
[reporter] This is the
weapon that was used,
812
00:39:04,051 --> 00:39:07,095
a rather well-worn
military rifle.
813
00:39:07,429 --> 00:39:08,847
[Goldberg]
Is this really true,
814
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:11,558
or is it a myth
that has been allowed to assume
815
00:39:11,641 --> 00:39:15,645
the status of accepted fact
since few have challenged it?
816
00:39:16,104 --> 00:39:18,273
[Oliver Stone] Is the rifle
in evidence today
817
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:19,858
the same rifle
the commission said
818
00:39:19,941 --> 00:39:21,902
Oswald ordered
through the mail?
819
00:39:22,027 --> 00:39:25,238
-The rifle that
Lee Oswald allegedly ordered
820
00:39:25,322 --> 00:39:27,657
under an alias of Alex Hidell
821
00:39:27,741 --> 00:39:29,910
was obtained through
Klein's Sporting Goods store
822
00:39:29,993 --> 00:39:31,495
in Chicago as a mail order.
823
00:39:31,578 --> 00:39:34,039
Got it out of American
Rifleman magazine.
824
00:39:34,122 --> 00:39:37,793
He wrote on the coupon
he wanted a 36-inch model,
825
00:39:37,876 --> 00:39:43,006
Mannlicher Carcano,
6.5 millimeter, for $19.95.
826
00:39:43,090 --> 00:39:45,300
Robert Frazier
was one of the examiners,
827
00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:47,552
he was a firearms expert
for the FBI,
828
00:39:47,636 --> 00:39:49,971
and he testified
that he did measure it,
829
00:39:50,055 --> 00:39:52,933
and the measurement
was 40.2 inches in length,
830
00:39:53,016 --> 00:39:54,601
from barrel to stock.
831
00:39:54,684 --> 00:39:57,562
There's a 4.2 inch difference
in the one he ordered,
832
00:39:57,646 --> 00:40:00,065
versus what they found
in the Book Depository.
833
00:40:00,524 --> 00:40:02,484
[Goldberg] Klein's
may have indeed delivered
834
00:40:02,567 --> 00:40:05,821
a different Mannlicher Carcano
model to Oswald,
835
00:40:06,321 --> 00:40:09,324
but there are other anomalies
to this story.
836
00:40:09,407 --> 00:40:11,576
The model that Oswald ordered,
837
00:40:11,660 --> 00:40:13,954
showed these
strap attachment points
838
00:40:14,037 --> 00:40:16,540
on the bottom
of the barrel and stock.
839
00:40:16,623 --> 00:40:17,749
[Brian Edwards]
In the photograph
840
00:40:17,833 --> 00:40:18,875
is Lieutenant Carl Day
841
00:40:18,959 --> 00:40:21,086
with the Dallas Police Department
bringing a rifle
842
00:40:21,169 --> 00:40:22,587
out of the Book Depository.
843
00:40:22,671 --> 00:40:25,132
One of the straps
at the back of the gun
844
00:40:25,215 --> 00:40:26,716
is on the left side
of the stock
845
00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:28,510
embedded in the stock.
846
00:40:29,219 --> 00:40:31,179
That's clearly
not the rifle that was ordered,
847
00:40:31,263 --> 00:40:33,890
or least appears in the Klein's
Sporting goods store.
848
00:40:34,391 --> 00:40:35,433
[Goldberg]
The straps shown
849
00:40:35,517 --> 00:40:37,435
in the so-called
backyard photos
850
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:40,605
are on the bottom and
not on the side of the stock.
851
00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:44,484
-Marina Oswald
took backyard photographs
852
00:40:44,693 --> 00:40:48,572
of Lee Oswald holding a rifle
and a pistol on his hip.
853
00:40:48,947 --> 00:40:52,617
Um, and in that first photograph
that she took three of,
854
00:40:52,868 --> 00:40:57,289
Commission Exhibit
133A and 133B,
855
00:40:58,498 --> 00:41:03,086
show a ring on the ring finger
of the right hand.
856
00:41:03,712 --> 00:41:07,465
133C, the ring appears
on the left hand.
857
00:41:07,924 --> 00:41:10,510
In effect, the Dallas Police
showed Lee Oswald
858
00:41:10,594 --> 00:41:12,888
one of the pictures
while he was still in custody.
859
00:41:12,971 --> 00:41:14,806
He said, "That's my face,
but I don't remember
860
00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:16,808
ever having that
picture taken of me."
861
00:41:16,892 --> 00:41:18,643
[Goldberg]
There's also a question
862
00:41:18,727 --> 00:41:21,855
of how Oswald
received the rifle.
863
00:41:21,938 --> 00:41:23,857
[Brian Edwards] If the rifle
was sent from Klein's
864
00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:25,066
to the post office box
865
00:41:25,150 --> 00:41:27,110
rented under
the name Lee Harvey Oswald,
866
00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:30,906
using the alias of A.J. Hidell on the coupon,
867
00:41:31,573 --> 00:41:33,700
it would have been sent back
immediately
868
00:41:33,783 --> 00:41:36,494
because Oswald's name
was the only one
869
00:41:36,578 --> 00:41:38,079
on that post office box.
870
00:41:38,163 --> 00:41:39,873
He was only one authorized
to receive mail.
871
00:41:39,956 --> 00:41:42,751
Marina didn't even have,
her name wasn't even on there.
872
00:41:42,834 --> 00:41:44,878
So that rifle
was addressed to a person
873
00:41:44,961 --> 00:41:46,046
who didn't have the authority
874
00:41:46,129 --> 00:41:48,590
to have any mail
received at that box.
875
00:41:49,049 --> 00:41:50,383
It should have been sent back.
876
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,262
[Goldberg] But after all
of these questions are asked,
877
00:41:54,346 --> 00:41:56,765
the underlying mystery remains:
878
00:41:56,973 --> 00:42:00,769
Why would anyone
use a rifle in an assassination
879
00:42:00,852 --> 00:42:03,063
knowing there was a paper trail
880
00:42:03,146 --> 00:42:05,273
that would lead
right back to them?
881
00:42:06,441 --> 00:42:09,361
-Was there a palm print
found on the rifle?
882
00:42:09,444 --> 00:42:12,614
-The foremost fingerprint
expert the FBI had,
883
00:42:12,697 --> 00:42:15,325
Sebastian Latona, uh,
took that rifle
884
00:42:15,408 --> 00:42:17,452
and attempted to lift prints
off of the rifle,
885
00:42:17,535 --> 00:42:19,329
the stock and/or the barrel.
886
00:42:19,412 --> 00:42:21,373
Uh, he testified
to the Warren Commission
887
00:42:21,831 --> 00:42:25,460
that he found no usable prints anywhere
on that rifle,
888
00:42:26,211 --> 00:42:27,921
on the metal or the stock.
889
00:42:28,004 --> 00:42:30,840
But yet, Lieutenant Day
in Dallas,
890
00:42:30,924 --> 00:42:33,093
before the rifle
went to Washington,
891
00:42:33,176 --> 00:42:34,886
said he found
a partial palm print
892
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:36,513
on the trigger guard
on the left side
893
00:42:36,596 --> 00:42:40,767
and a partial print underneath the stock
on the barrel.
894
00:42:40,850 --> 00:42:42,894
But Sebastian Latona said
there was no evidence
895
00:42:42,978 --> 00:42:44,437
that a lift
had even been attempted.
896
00:42:44,771 --> 00:42:45,855
[Oliver Stone]
No partials at all?
897
00:42:45,939 --> 00:42:47,816
-Nothing
that he could use in court.
898
00:42:47,899 --> 00:42:50,110
There has to be eight points
of identification.
899
00:42:50,193 --> 00:42:52,112
He found nothing
that would match that.
900
00:42:53,822 --> 00:42:55,407
[Tom Alyea] I was able to enter
this building,
901
00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:56,533
along with the Secret Service,
902
00:42:56,616 --> 00:42:57,951
and shoot exclusive footage
903
00:42:58,034 --> 00:42:59,327
of the finding
of the assassin's gun
904
00:42:59,411 --> 00:43:00,954
and dusting it
for fingerprints.
905
00:43:01,705 --> 00:43:03,832
[Debra Conway] Tom Alyea
was the first reporter
906
00:43:03,915 --> 00:43:06,001
that made it
up to the sixth floor.
907
00:43:06,418 --> 00:43:09,379
I would say that he was a friend
to the Dallas police
908
00:43:09,462 --> 00:43:11,131
because he worked
as a photographer
909
00:43:11,214 --> 00:43:13,258
on many crime scenes,
and he probably knew
910
00:43:13,341 --> 00:43:15,385
most of these officers
that were there.
911
00:43:15,468 --> 00:43:19,431
They found the shells that were ejected
from the rifle,
912
00:43:19,514 --> 00:43:22,225
and they found some,
looked like someone's lunch.
913
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:24,269
[Brian Edwards]
Alyea described the location of
914
00:43:24,352 --> 00:43:25,437
these three shell casings,
915
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,148
were almost in a line,
facing the same direction
916
00:43:28,231 --> 00:43:31,067
within four or five inches
of the front of the building.
917
00:43:31,151 --> 00:43:32,610
-When you eject them
from a rifle,
918
00:43:32,694 --> 00:43:33,820
they're not going to
land like that.
919
00:43:33,903 --> 00:43:35,322
They're gonna be everywhere.
920
00:43:35,405 --> 00:43:37,115
Captain Fritz was brought over,
921
00:43:37,198 --> 00:43:39,576
and he picked up
these three shell casings
922
00:43:39,784 --> 00:43:42,037
and held them out
in his hand, flat.
923
00:43:42,203 --> 00:43:45,123
Alyea took
motion picture film of it.
924
00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:46,666
[Goldberg]
This was before
925
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,293
Dallas police photographer,
926
00:43:48,376 --> 00:43:49,711
Robert Studebaker,
927
00:43:49,794 --> 00:43:52,380
took pictures of the
shells on the floor.
928
00:43:52,672 --> 00:43:55,675
So clearly,
that was a staged photo.
929
00:43:56,343 --> 00:43:57,552
The X's indicate
930
00:43:57,635 --> 00:44:00,847
where Tom Alyea recalls
the original placement.
931
00:44:01,139 --> 00:44:04,476
The Warren Commission
never interviewed Tom Alyea,
932
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:05,935
and they never questioned
933
00:44:06,019 --> 00:44:08,396
if the crime scene
had been altered.
934
00:44:09,689 --> 00:44:11,441
-How important
is chain of custody
935
00:44:11,733 --> 00:44:13,068
in a legal proceeding?
936
00:44:13,276 --> 00:44:15,362
-Chain of custody
basically refers to
937
00:44:15,445 --> 00:44:16,738
the integrity of evidence.
938
00:44:16,821 --> 00:44:20,325
If I, uh, pick up a piece
of evidence and I transfer it
939
00:44:20,408 --> 00:44:22,577
to somebody else
for holding or processing,
940
00:44:22,911 --> 00:44:24,996
my name
is the first name on this list.
941
00:44:25,205 --> 00:44:26,831
The second person
who touches this
942
00:44:26,915 --> 00:44:28,792
and takes possession
of it is next.
943
00:44:28,875 --> 00:44:31,544
And if you don't do that,
there's no way to prove
944
00:44:31,628 --> 00:44:33,505
that the evidence
you collected on Day 1
945
00:44:33,588 --> 00:44:36,508
is the same one you get
on Day 25 when you go to court.
946
00:44:36,591 --> 00:44:37,842
-Can you walk us through
947
00:44:37,926 --> 00:44:40,178
the magic bullet's
chain of custody,
948
00:44:40,637 --> 00:44:44,057
from the Parkland employees
to the Secret Service
949
00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:45,308
to the FBI?
950
00:44:45,892 --> 00:44:48,520
-Well, the magic
bullet was supposedly found
951
00:44:48,603 --> 00:44:50,522
on a stretcher
at Parkland Hospital,
952
00:44:50,605 --> 00:44:52,649
and it went through
several hands,
953
00:44:52,732 --> 00:44:55,360
uh, before
it got to the Secret Service.
954
00:44:55,944 --> 00:44:58,613
Richard Johnsen was
the first Secret Service agent
955
00:44:58,696 --> 00:45:01,408
to handle it, and he carried it back
to Washington, D.C.
956
00:45:02,534 --> 00:45:04,786
When he got back
to Washington, D.C.,
957
00:45:05,078 --> 00:45:07,539
he gave it to the chief
of the Secret Service,
958
00:45:07,622 --> 00:45:09,207
who was James Rowley.
959
00:45:10,834 --> 00:45:12,419
And at the White House,
960
00:45:12,502 --> 00:45:16,089
James Rowley gave it
to Elmer Lee Todd
961
00:45:16,423 --> 00:45:19,175
and Todd then took it
to the FBI lab
962
00:45:19,259 --> 00:45:20,885
and gave it to Robert Frazier.
963
00:45:21,636 --> 00:45:25,432
We have interesting information
produced by John Hunt,
964
00:45:25,515 --> 00:45:28,101
a private citizen
who went to the archives
965
00:45:28,184 --> 00:45:30,061
on four or five occasions
966
00:45:30,145 --> 00:45:33,440
to track down the
story about the magic bullet,
967
00:45:33,523 --> 00:45:36,109
and what he found
was truly astounding.
968
00:45:36,234 --> 00:45:39,362
-He practically
moved into the National Archives
969
00:45:39,446 --> 00:45:40,989
in Washington, D.C.
970
00:45:41,072 --> 00:45:43,074
They allowed him
to set up a desk
971
00:45:43,158 --> 00:45:46,286
with a computer
and his own scanner.
972
00:45:46,369 --> 00:45:49,831
And he also did
something different.
973
00:45:49,914 --> 00:45:53,251
He didn't interview policemen
and FBI people,
974
00:45:53,334 --> 00:45:56,254
and he wasn't swayed
by their excuses.
975
00:45:56,337 --> 00:45:59,799
He went straight to:
This is what you told,
976
00:45:59,883 --> 00:46:01,468
and you signed your name.
977
00:46:01,759 --> 00:46:03,595
[Goldberg]
Working with FBI
978
00:46:03,678 --> 00:46:05,263
and Warren Commission
documents,
979
00:46:05,346 --> 00:46:08,183
John Hunt asked
the most basic question:
980
00:46:08,766 --> 00:46:12,020
Was CE 399, in evidence,
981
00:46:12,103 --> 00:46:15,732
the same bullet that was found
on the stretcher?
982
00:46:15,815 --> 00:46:20,361
-At 7:30 at night, this is
the day of the assassination,
983
00:46:20,445 --> 00:46:22,280
November 22nd, 1963,
984
00:46:22,906 --> 00:46:27,076
a bullet appears in the record, and
985
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,621
it's signed
for by Robert Frazier,
986
00:46:29,704 --> 00:46:32,540
who is the main
investigator at the FBI lab.
987
00:46:33,625 --> 00:46:37,045
And it's not just one document.
There are multiple documents
988
00:46:37,128 --> 00:46:40,798
that indicate that Frazier signed
for a bullet
989
00:46:40,882 --> 00:46:42,759
at 7:30 that night.
990
00:46:43,968 --> 00:46:45,762
Now, here's where things
get interesting.
991
00:46:46,304 --> 00:46:50,225
Elmer Lee Todd received
the bullet at the White House
992
00:46:50,308 --> 00:46:53,770
from chief of the
Secret Service, James Rowley.
993
00:46:54,979 --> 00:46:59,192
And Todd documents,
very clearly in writing,
994
00:46:59,275 --> 00:47:02,946
that he got this bullet
at 8:50 p.m.
995
00:47:03,780 --> 00:47:05,156
How is that possible?
996
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:08,201
How can Robert Frazier receive
the bullet in the lab
997
00:47:08,284 --> 00:47:11,538
at 7:30 from Elmer Lee Todd
998
00:47:11,621 --> 00:47:14,791
when Todd didn't
get the bullet until 8:50?
999
00:47:14,874 --> 00:47:17,752
-You would think
that they would have handled it,
1000
00:47:18,253 --> 00:47:20,964
you know, like it would've
been gold going to the bank.
1001
00:47:21,381 --> 00:47:22,757
There it is in the record.
1002
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,009
Someone is lying about
when they got the bullet.
1003
00:47:26,261 --> 00:47:27,512
[David Mantik]
It gets worse, though.
1004
00:47:27,595 --> 00:47:29,889
Todd initialed that bullet.
1005
00:47:29,973 --> 00:47:32,559
-The one that he got at 8:50,
1006
00:47:33,268 --> 00:47:36,020
and everyone else
who touched the bullet
1007
00:47:36,104 --> 00:47:39,023
after that initialed it too,
including Robert Frazier.
1008
00:47:39,107 --> 00:47:41,776
I went to the archives
to look at this bullet.
1009
00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:44,070
And specifically
what we want to know is
1010
00:47:44,153 --> 00:47:47,115
do we see Todd's initials
on this bullet?
1011
00:47:47,198 --> 00:47:49,576
He said he initialed the bullet.
1012
00:47:49,659 --> 00:47:51,744
It is not there.
1013
00:47:51,828 --> 00:47:54,956
Todd's initials
are not on the magic bullet.
1014
00:47:56,165 --> 00:47:58,126
-I was very interested
in finding out
1015
00:47:58,209 --> 00:48:00,670
what the Review Board
would show us about this.
1016
00:48:00,753 --> 00:48:04,132
So we began scouring
their evidence,
1017
00:48:04,215 --> 00:48:05,800
and we found out something
very interesting.
1018
00:48:05,883 --> 00:48:07,969
We found out
that the Warren Report
1019
00:48:08,052 --> 00:48:10,430
had, from the FBI,
a report saying that the guys
1020
00:48:10,513 --> 00:48:12,348
that found the bullet
later identified that
1021
00:48:12,432 --> 00:48:13,641
as the bullet they'd seen.
1022
00:48:13,725 --> 00:48:15,518
The internal record
didn't show that at all.
1023
00:48:15,602 --> 00:48:17,437
The internal record
said this bullet
1024
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,314
didn't look like
that bullet at all.
1025
00:48:19,397 --> 00:48:21,107
But the FBI reported
to the Warren Commission
1026
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:22,609
that it did, it lied.
1027
00:48:22,692 --> 00:48:24,319
We then talked
to the FBI agent
1028
00:48:24,402 --> 00:48:26,863
that was supposed to have carried
that bullet around.
1029
00:48:26,946 --> 00:48:28,323
His name was Bardwell Odum.
1030
00:48:28,406 --> 00:48:29,991
I got
Bardwell Odum on the phone.
1031
00:48:30,074 --> 00:48:31,534
I sent him the documents
1032
00:48:31,618 --> 00:48:33,161
that said that
he had done this.
1033
00:48:33,244 --> 00:48:34,912
He said,
"I never had that bullet.
1034
00:48:34,996 --> 00:48:36,831
I never showed any bullet
to anyone.
1035
00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:38,791
If I'd had the bullet,
there'd be a 302.
1036
00:48:38,875 --> 00:48:40,710
I would have filed a report,
particularly in that era,
1037
00:48:40,793 --> 00:48:43,171
everybody was very uptight
about getting everything right."
1038
00:48:43,254 --> 00:48:45,423
So we scoured for 302 reports.
1039
00:48:45,506 --> 00:48:47,216
His name appears nowhere
in the record.
1040
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:49,135
This is just something
that the FBI invented.
1041
00:48:49,218 --> 00:48:53,556
-In 1966,
Josiah Thompson, who authored
1042
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,560
"Six Seconds in Dallas,"
interviewed O.P. Wright,
1043
00:48:58,019 --> 00:49:00,688
who was head of maintenance
at Parkland Hospital,
1044
00:49:00,772 --> 00:49:02,482
and who had handled the bullet.
1045
00:49:02,565 --> 00:49:04,734
He showed him a photograph
of the magic bullet,
1046
00:49:04,817 --> 00:49:06,778
which has a rounded tip.
1047
00:49:07,487 --> 00:49:10,031
And O.P. Wright said,
"No, it wasn't like that."
1048
00:49:10,114 --> 00:49:11,866
-Wright,
who had worked as a policeman,
1049
00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:13,618
he knew bullets,
and he said, "No, no,
1050
00:49:13,701 --> 00:49:16,579
the bullet that we found
at Parkland had a pointed tip."
1051
00:49:16,663 --> 00:49:18,039
And he just pulled
one out of his drawer
1052
00:49:18,122 --> 00:49:19,624
that had a pointed tip
and showed it.
1053
00:49:19,707 --> 00:49:21,584
And it looks nothing like 399.
1054
00:49:22,168 --> 00:49:24,671
-It's conceivable
that some mysterious bullet
1055
00:49:24,754 --> 00:49:26,714
showed up from who knows where.
1056
00:49:27,215 --> 00:49:28,883
Todd did not initial it,
1057
00:49:28,966 --> 00:49:32,428
and it ended up in the FBI lab
as the magic bullet.
1058
00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:37,350
But then we have the second
bullet that arrives at 8:50.
1059
00:49:37,433 --> 00:49:39,352
Is this possibly
the pointed bullet
1060
00:49:39,435 --> 00:49:42,814
that was seen by
O.P. Wright in Dallas,
1061
00:49:42,897 --> 00:49:44,524
and that then disappeared?
1062
00:49:44,607 --> 00:49:46,526
We don't have any idea
where it is today.
1063
00:49:46,943 --> 00:49:50,113
That scenario would fit
the known facts.
1064
00:49:50,196 --> 00:49:53,199
-So it appears
that a different bullet
1065
00:49:53,282 --> 00:49:56,786
was found on that stretcher
than 399.
1066
00:49:56,869 --> 00:50:00,289
399 shows up after it's been
to the FBI lab.
1067
00:50:00,373 --> 00:50:04,460
And one can only surmise
that--that somewhere in the FBI,
1068
00:50:04,544 --> 00:50:07,338
they realized they had to close
the loop on Oswald's guilt.
1069
00:50:07,422 --> 00:50:08,798
And so they just
switched it out,
1070
00:50:08,881 --> 00:50:11,968
because none of
the four people,
1071
00:50:12,051 --> 00:50:13,720
either the guys at Parkland
1072
00:50:13,803 --> 00:50:14,971
or the two
Secret Service agents,
1073
00:50:15,054 --> 00:50:16,514
could identify the bullet.
1074
00:50:16,597 --> 00:50:18,766
The guy who is supposed
to have gotten confirmation
1075
00:50:18,850 --> 00:50:21,644
that they did identify
the bullet said he never did it.
1076
00:50:21,728 --> 00:50:23,271
And the record supports that.
1077
00:50:23,354 --> 00:50:26,441
So there is--there's good reason
to be very suspicious
1078
00:50:26,524 --> 00:50:27,775
about the magic bullet.
1079
00:50:28,151 --> 00:50:33,156
-The chain of custody doesn't start
from the laboratory;
1080
00:50:33,573 --> 00:50:35,199
it starts from
the crime scene.
1081
00:50:36,367 --> 00:50:38,953
Each piece of evidence
should be photographed,
1082
00:50:39,036 --> 00:50:43,124
documented,
and preserved, properly.
1083
00:50:44,167 --> 00:50:47,170
From the scene,
evidence is collected,
1084
00:50:47,545 --> 00:50:49,046
sent to the laboratory.
1085
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:51,924
We have to keep
the chain of custody
1086
00:50:52,633 --> 00:50:54,177
when they enter the lab.
1087
00:50:54,343 --> 00:50:55,595
Who exam?
1088
00:50:56,763 --> 00:50:59,140
Who did the further analysis?
1089
00:50:59,515 --> 00:51:04,896
And each step have to maintain
until submit to the court.
1090
00:51:05,605 --> 00:51:07,148
If this chain broke,
1091
00:51:08,441 --> 00:51:11,360
then my evidence
become inadmissible.
1092
00:51:20,495 --> 00:51:23,790
[Goldberg]
Sunday, November 24th, 1963,
1093
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:27,877
Lee Harvey Oswald has been
in detention for two days
1094
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,879
after he was caught
in a movie theater
1095
00:51:29,962 --> 00:51:32,465
just an hour
after the assassination.
1096
00:51:32,924 --> 00:51:35,009
He's being questioned
for long hours,
1097
00:51:35,092 --> 00:51:37,303
but there is no stenographer present,
1098
00:51:37,386 --> 00:51:41,098
and the police say there was
no tape recorder in the room.
1099
00:51:43,184 --> 00:51:45,102
-I'd like
some legal representation.
1100
00:51:45,186 --> 00:51:48,564
These police officers have not
allowed me to--to have any.
1101
00:51:48,856 --> 00:51:50,650
[Goldberg]
He's confessed to nothing.
1102
00:51:50,858 --> 00:51:54,654
He has, in fact, denied
any guilt to his only audience,
1103
00:51:55,238 --> 00:51:58,157
the press and the spectators
in the hallways.
1104
00:52:07,458 --> 00:52:09,293
[Goldberg]
Lee Harvey Oswald,
1105
00:52:09,377 --> 00:52:10,795
while he was alive,
1106
00:52:10,878 --> 00:52:14,423
in the strongest terms,
denied he committed the crime.
1107
00:52:14,507 --> 00:52:15,883
[reporter]
Did you kill the President?
1108
00:52:15,967 --> 00:52:17,760
-No, I have not
been charged with that.
1109
00:52:17,844 --> 00:52:20,054
In fact, nobody has said that
to me yet.
1110
00:52:20,513 --> 00:52:23,349
First thing I heard about was
when the newspaper reporters
1111
00:52:23,432 --> 00:52:26,936
in the hall, uh,
asked me that question.
1112
00:52:27,436 --> 00:52:28,813
[Goldberg]
It would be hard to say
1113
00:52:28,896 --> 00:52:31,440
that he shot Kennedy
in some cause,
1114
00:52:31,774 --> 00:52:34,277
as a politically-inspired shooter
would proclaim.
1115
00:52:34,402 --> 00:52:35,820
[reporter] How long have you
been in residence?
1116
00:52:35,903 --> 00:52:37,029
[Lee Oswald]
No, they're taking me in
1117
00:52:37,113 --> 00:52:39,240
because of the fact that
I lived in the Soviet Union.
1118
00:52:39,323 --> 00:52:40,283
[reporter]
What time did you leave--
1119
00:52:40,366 --> 00:52:41,284
[Lee Oswald]
I'm just a patsy.
1120
00:52:41,367 --> 00:52:42,660
[reporter]
Did you shoot the President?
1121
00:52:43,536 --> 00:52:45,204
[Goldberg]
He's about to be transferred
1122
00:52:45,288 --> 00:52:46,455
to the county jail.
1123
00:52:46,789 --> 00:52:49,208
The FBI has called
the Dallas police
1124
00:52:49,292 --> 00:52:51,210
on both Saturday and Sunday,
1125
00:52:51,294 --> 00:52:52,670
warning them of threats
1126
00:52:52,753 --> 00:52:55,631
to kill the alleged assassin
of President Kennedy.
1127
00:52:56,173 --> 00:52:58,050
The police
have decided to proceed
1128
00:52:58,134 --> 00:52:59,635
with the transfer anyway.
1129
00:53:00,177 --> 00:53:03,222
As you watch, listen
for the two car horns.
1130
00:53:03,806 --> 00:53:05,850
One as Oswald emerges,
1131
00:53:05,933 --> 00:53:09,896
and the other the moment
before Jack Ruby fires.
1132
00:53:10,646 --> 00:53:11,856
[long honk of car horn]
1133
00:53:14,650 --> 00:53:15,735
[short car honk]
1134
00:53:15,818 --> 00:53:17,945
[gunshot]
[Lee Oswald screams]
1135
00:53:18,154 --> 00:53:21,198
[reporter] He's been shot.
He's been shot. Lee Oswald
1136
00:53:21,282 --> 00:53:22,575
[Goldberg]
It was the shocking
1137
00:53:22,658 --> 00:53:25,161
live murder of
Lee Harvey Oswald
1138
00:53:25,244 --> 00:53:28,664
that terminated the Dallas
police as investigators.
1139
00:53:31,125 --> 00:53:34,337
J. Edgar Hoover wrote a memo
to the newly sworn-in
1140
00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:36,964
President Johnson
that evening, saying,
1141
00:53:37,048 --> 00:53:40,801
"The thing I am concerned about
is having something issued
1142
00:53:40,885 --> 00:53:42,845
so we can convince the public
1143
00:53:42,929 --> 00:53:45,640
that Oswald
is the real assassin."
1144
00:53:46,140 --> 00:53:48,351
The day before,
he had told Johnson that
1145
00:53:48,434 --> 00:53:50,770
"the case, as it stands now,
1146
00:53:50,853 --> 00:53:54,106
isn't strong enough to
be able to get a conviction."
1147
00:53:54,607 --> 00:53:55,608
The next day,
1148
00:53:55,691 --> 00:53:58,402
Deputy Attorney General
Nicholas Katzenbach
1149
00:53:58,486 --> 00:54:00,947
wrote a memo
to the White House saying,
1150
00:54:01,030 --> 00:54:02,907
"The public must be satisfied
1151
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:05,785
that Oswald did not have confederates
1152
00:54:05,868 --> 00:54:09,163
who were still at large,
and that the evidence was such
1153
00:54:09,246 --> 00:54:12,041
that he would have been
convicted at trial.
1154
00:54:12,333 --> 00:54:15,586
We need something to head off
public speculation
1155
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,632
or congressional hearings
of the wrong sort."
1156
00:54:19,924 --> 00:54:21,342
With those two memos,
1157
00:54:21,425 --> 00:54:25,429
the FBI became the main
investigatory arm
1158
00:54:25,513 --> 00:54:26,722
in the JFK case.
1159
00:54:27,181 --> 00:54:29,600
There was never
any serious discussion
1160
00:54:29,684 --> 00:54:32,603
that independent investigators were needed.
1161
00:54:32,687 --> 00:54:35,272
The idea in Washington now
1162
00:54:35,356 --> 00:54:38,150
became to contain
the crime to Oswald,
1163
00:54:38,234 --> 00:54:40,903
therefore, cutting off
any connections
1164
00:54:40,987 --> 00:54:44,448
to a wider
Russia-Cuba-communist conspiracy
1165
00:54:44,532 --> 00:54:47,201
which could provoke
the threat of atomic war.
1166
00:54:48,786 --> 00:54:50,496
The day after he was murdered,
1167
00:54:50,579 --> 00:54:53,082
the New York Times
pronounced Oswald
1168
00:54:53,165 --> 00:54:55,668
as the killer
of President Kennedy.
1169
00:54:56,085 --> 00:54:58,004
The Warren Commission concluded
1170
00:54:58,087 --> 00:55:00,881
that Ruby shot Oswald
acting alone.
1171
00:55:01,257 --> 00:55:03,884
It was not premeditated
or planned,
1172
00:55:03,968 --> 00:55:06,887
and Ruby had no help
entering the building.
1173
00:55:24,363 --> 00:55:26,282
[Goldberg] Two months
after winning his appeal
1174
00:55:26,365 --> 00:55:29,368
and being granted a new trial
outside of Dallas,
1175
00:55:29,452 --> 00:55:32,872
Jack Ruby was found riddled
with cancer in his prison cell.
1176
00:55:33,622 --> 00:55:35,624
He was placed in the hospital,
1177
00:55:35,708 --> 00:55:38,627
and one month before
his new trial was to begin,
1178
00:55:38,711 --> 00:55:39,712
he died.
1179
00:55:40,421 --> 00:55:42,131
The Warren Commission
never exposed
1180
00:55:42,214 --> 00:55:45,468
Ruby's connections
to the Mafia, the FBI,
1181
00:55:45,551 --> 00:55:47,762
or with gunrunning
and gambling figures
1182
00:55:47,845 --> 00:55:49,930
in Miami and Cuba.
1183
00:55:50,765 --> 00:55:52,433
[Brian Edwards]
On other parts of the--
1184
00:55:52,516 --> 00:55:55,519
of the case that the government
put against Lee Oswald,
1185
00:55:55,603 --> 00:55:57,229
uh, obviously, he was dead.
1186
00:55:57,313 --> 00:56:01,150
He had no chance to have
cross-examined witnesses.
1187
00:56:01,233 --> 00:56:03,861
Uh, he had no lawyer appointed.
1188
00:56:03,944 --> 00:56:05,571
-These people
have given me a hearing
1189
00:56:05,654 --> 00:56:07,656
without legal representation
or anything.
1190
00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:08,908
[reporter]
Did you shoot the President?
1191
00:56:08,991 --> 00:56:10,493
-I didn't shoot anybody.
No sir.
1192
00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:13,954
[Brian Edwards] Mark Lane,
an attorney out of New York,
1193
00:56:14,038 --> 00:56:18,084
tried to get, uh, legal
representation for Lee Oswald.
1194
00:56:18,167 --> 00:56:19,960
In fact, went to the commission
and asked,
1195
00:56:20,044 --> 00:56:22,922
"Can I represent Lee Oswald?"
And they denied it.
1196
00:56:23,005 --> 00:56:26,425
Because again this is, this is
not a typical court hearing.
1197
00:56:35,059 --> 00:56:36,393
-I can tell you
from my experiences,
1198
00:56:36,477 --> 00:56:39,355
having tried several hundred cases
to verdict,
1199
00:56:39,438 --> 00:56:41,357
and being responsible for
thousands of cases
1200
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,485
as head of the criminal courts and running
the Homicide Bureau
1201
00:56:44,819 --> 00:56:47,154
that I don't believe there's
any courtroom in America
1202
00:56:47,238 --> 00:56:48,781
where Oswald
would have been convicted
1203
00:56:48,864 --> 00:56:51,033
on the evidence
that was presented
1204
00:56:51,117 --> 00:56:52,368
before the Warren Commission.
1205
00:57:14,265 --> 00:57:17,268
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