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Tonight, Lux is visiting one of
Hollywood's most exciting new stars,
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Jane Fonda.
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Jane's been using Lux...
How long, Jane?
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Ever since my first roles
in summer stock,
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I could see that a star
just had to have
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a really lovely complexion.
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Might I assume that
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you are a, uh,
very lovely lady?
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That you may.
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Well, will
you join our cause?
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What cause?
Who are you?
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The woman in the helmet is
Jane Fonda, the actress.
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Actress Jane Fonda was arrested
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today at the airport
in Cleveland.
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The Justice Department said
it is attempting to determine
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whether Ms. Fonda
had violated
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sedition, treason
or other statutes.
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Any healthy country,
like any healthy individual,
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should be
in perpetual revolution,
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perpetual change.
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You just may be the
most talked about personality
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in the country today.
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There's a lot of, uh,
hostility towards you.
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Ah! The winner is
Jane Fonda in Coming Home.
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My first guest tonight
is a gal that I admire highly.
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Funny thing how people who were
called radicals at the time
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now are considered right-on.
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You have to
have the courage to speak
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about the changes
that are needed
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and it includes challenging,
at the root,
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the corporate power that has taken
over the economy of this country.
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You turn around
and marry a billionaire.
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How do you go
from one to the other
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without completely losing
yourself somewhere in there?
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Ow!
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Sorry.
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To drink or not to drink.
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I think I'll drink.
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The problem is
they only serve wine.
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Oh, really? They're not doing...
They don't do champagne?
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I-I don't drink champagne. I
don't drink wine. I drink vodka.
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Well, maybe they can...
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I'll have to bribe somebody.
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You know the two
times that I won an Oscar,
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I did my own hair and makeup.
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You're kidding?
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When I picked up
the Oscar for my dad...
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it looked like the Lindbergh
baby was hidden in my hair.
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It's, it's that hair there.
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I mean, it was the '80s,
just to be fair to myself.
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Okay, Fonda, keep your chin up.
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It's Jane Fonda!
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Ms. Fonda, that...
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Yeah, could we have
one smile this way?
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One smile?
Thank you.
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- Has Vanity Fair
been published? - Yes.
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-Just this month?
-Yes, and I'm on the cover.
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Aw. Yeah, I wouldn't get
on the cover.
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I never thought... I'd never
have thought that I would ever...
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Were they Hollywood women?
Is that it?
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-It was called the Year of the Woman...
-Was it Saoirse?
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-Not even from Hollywood.
-It was.
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Irish.
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-Brie Larson?
-Yeah.
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Oh, same old...
Helen Mirren?
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Yes.
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-They took me out and put you in.
-Yeah, they did.
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They aced me out.
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- It went from 21-year-old Saoirse...
- This is your fault.
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...to 78-year-old me.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's no big deal.
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After 53 years of friendship
and 11 films together,
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you don't think I'm gonna start
to bullshit you now, do you?
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-You of all people?
-No, I don't!
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I wouldn't deserve that.
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That's right.
You don't deserve it.
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You deserve me to call
a spade a spade,
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which is why I dragged
my ass here from LA.
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Look, Brenda,
if it's about scene 21,
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where you're described
as "ugly,"
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"feeble," uh, "a pale shadow
of your former beauty."
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Please, realize
that's just poetic license.
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You still preserve intact.
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You have to.
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That mystery, that allure you had
when you first became a diva.
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When you were
little lady Jane Fonda,
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up on Tigertail Road...
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did you dream about being an actress?
Did you wanna be?
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Did I want to be an actress? No, not
until I was, uh, well into my 20s.
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-I-I didn't, um... -Really?
'Cause you were so...
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-I think when you grow up
in the industry... -Mm-hmm.
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...and you see, uh,
what the people are
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-really like behind their masks...
-Mm-hm.
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...you know, you're not too
encouraged to become an actor.
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I grew up in the shadow
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of a national monument.
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Wait a minute, buddy.
You just done some jackassin'.
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You can't shut up now.
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The handbill said
they need 800 pickers,
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you laugh and say
they don't.
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Which one's the liar?
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My dad, his values,
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you know, solid American...
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Midwestern values:
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fairness, equality, justice.
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Stand up for the underdog,
and that's why he gravitated
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to characters like Tom Joad
in Grapes of Wrath,
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and The Ox-Bow Incident, which
was about a lynching and racism.
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12 Angry Men , I mean,
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without him ever saying so,
I knew that these movies
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expressed what he could
never say verbally.
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He was the face
of the America that...
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people wanted to believe in.
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I was Henry Fonda's daughter,
which, of course, meant
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that I was polite,
I was nice...
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...I was
the girl next door.
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All the things
that I didn't feel I was.
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I didn't like my body.
I didn't like myself. I...
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I felt shy.
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We looked like
the American Dream.
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Rich, beautiful,
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close...
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but a lot of it
was simply myth.
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This is the summer
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when I was 11.
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It was staged for some magazine,
I don't remember which one.
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Then there's my brother,
Peter, and my mother.
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She had been in and out
of institutions by that time,
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and when I look at her face, I can
see the anxiety and the stress,
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and it makes me
very, very sad.
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I didn't know why,
but I had an aversion to her.
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My team is the winning team,
my team is the man,
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my dad.
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And you can tell he is not
present at all.
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He was having an affair
with a far younger woman.
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Family picnic.
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To me, that is a very...
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sad picture.
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It says it all.
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I was alone
a lot growing up.
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I spent all my time
roaming the hills.
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I wanted to be Tonto.
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In those days, when you
really became somebody,
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it meant that you were...
independent,
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you didn't need anybody.
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But then I'd look
into the windows of houses
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where people were sitting
at the table...
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and I remember, it would bring
up a feeling of longing in me.
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And I figured,
whatever it is that creates
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that thing that I'm
looking at, that warm...
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glow of light,
people laughing and talking,
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that will never be mine.
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Henry Fonda,
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we name you
Stage Father of 1952.
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Here is your medal and my
heartiest congratulations.
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Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Austin.
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I feel very honored.
I just hope that
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my Jane and Peter
are gonna be properly impressed.
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He was a hero
to so many people.
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But...
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these kind of men
aren't always good fathers.
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It's hard to be both.
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I wanted to please dad.
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Who would you like me to be?
I'll do whatever you want,
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'cause I want you
to love me.
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Peter was the opposite.
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If he was scared,
he'd cried.
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If he was angry with dad,
he'd show it.
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And it was
really hard on Peter.
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He had it way harder than me.
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It's more difficult for
Jane than it is for me, actually.
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You see, it's not that he wasn't
or isn't a loving person at all.
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He just... has no character with a
script that says, "Henry Fonda:
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Fonda says, 'I love you son,'" and
he would be able to handle it.
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Without that script,
he's got nothing to do.
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I mean, he has to have the mask
in order to express.
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Jane has no way to attach
herself to Henry.
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She's lost out there
as his daughter.
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I was 20, maybe 21,
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still living
at my father's house
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on the beach in Malibu.
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My stepmother had
given me an ultimatum:
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"Come fall, you have to move
out of the house."
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What was I gonna do?
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A quarter-mile down the beach
was Lee Strasberg's house.
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He was the great acting coach.
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He taught people like Paul Newman and James
Dean, and, of course, Marilyn Monroe.
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I walked down the beach,
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took off my high-heeled shoes
to walk in the sand.
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I knocked on the back door after
having put my shoes back on.
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He let me in.
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He later said,
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"She seemed to be the most
boring, conventional girl...
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"except when I looked
into her eyes,
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there was a lot hidden."
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And he took me
into his class.
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Lee taught us
to... dive deep
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into your own psyche,
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private moments,
sensory memories,
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to bring a deeper life
to your character.
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I was so scared.
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I sat in the back.
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I would've been happy if I never
ended up performing in that class.
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Eventually, after
about two months,
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Lee said, "Okay.
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"You know, tomorrow
you're gonna do it."
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The class was
fuller than usual.
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I think they wanted
to come see
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Henry Fonda's daughter
fall on her face.
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And then I remember
when I was through,
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Lee was silent
for a long time.
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And then he said, "You know, I see
a lot of people come through here.
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You have real talent."
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I swear...
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it was like someone had opened the
top of my head and birds flew out.
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Everyone off the steps.
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Diane?
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I can't stand it!
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The first time you really
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discover something you love,
organically love to do,
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you go to sleep loving it,
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and you wake up and you love it,
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and you don't have to think
about it,
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and you don't mind
staying home alone at night
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because you've got this thing
that you really love to do.
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Jane
Fonda decided to follow
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the well-known path trod
by her distinguished father,
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actor Henry Fonda.
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Jane worked as
a photographer's model
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to earn a living
while she mastered the art.
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-Hello, Jane.
-Hello, Charlie.
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I think that we caught you just
moving into this apartment.
234
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You certainly did.
235
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Jane, do you think
it's important for a girl
236
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starting out to be
on her own,
237
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to have her own apartment
like this?
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Well, I think, uh...
239
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it helps, I think,
to be away from the family,
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particularly for me.
241
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You know, if a child
and the parent
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work in the same business,
243
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it's uh, you feel more
independent, you know.
244
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I feel...
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I don't have to always be explaining
what I'm doing and everything like that.
246
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-Uh, you're...
- I hope my father's not listening to this.
247
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He probably is.
248
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I had this
instantaneous career.
249
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I was doing plays
on Broadway.
250
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I was making movies
in Hollywood.
251
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I was nominated for a Tony and won the
New York Drama Critics' Circle Award
252
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for the most promising actress
of the year for drama.
253
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Well, it says outside that... that
Brad and I are starring in the show,
254
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you know, and that's one of the
reasons that people are coming.
255
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But I don't feel...
256
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I don't feel that I can...
257
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quite live up to that,
you know?
258
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It's a funny feeling.
259
00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:37,972
During
that period of time,
260
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I was asked to audition,
for Kazan,
261
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for the female lead in Splendor in the
Grass that Natalie Wood ended up doing.
262
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It was in a theater, and Kazan
263
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called me down to the footlights
264
00:17:48,972 --> 00:17:52,055
and... and he was standing below
and he looked up at me,
265
00:17:52,139 --> 00:17:53,889
and he said,
"Are you ambitious?"
266
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And I said, "No!"
267
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Talk about self-betrayal.
268
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I just wanted to be okay.
269
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I wanted to be a good girl.
270
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A good girl
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is not an ambitious person.
272
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I got hired for a whole
string of girl next door,
273
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ingénues,
and I became the actor
274
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that would get the light,
romantic comedies
275
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that would start as plays on Broadway
and then they'd be made into films.
276
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She's already
made him a sissy.
277
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Oh man, that
do it every time.
278
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-Mm-hmm. -She'll be back
tomorrow, at the latest.
279
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Well, let 'em.
280
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George, will you please
get my little blue zipper bag?
281
00:18:45,972 --> 00:18:47,514
Please?
282
00:18:47,598 --> 00:18:49,055
You know what
I had in mind?
283
00:18:49,139 --> 00:18:51,347
- George?
- Hong Kong.
284
00:18:51,431 --> 00:18:54,055
All right!
I'll get it myself!
285
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-Huh? -I'll go out
and get it myself!
286
00:18:59,806 --> 00:19:01,472
You know,
and I was, okay at it.
287
00:19:01,556 --> 00:19:02,972
I was all right.
288
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Oh, ow!
289
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I knew how to talk
kind of high
290
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and blink my eyes and...
291
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Whoa.
292
00:19:21,514 --> 00:19:23,556
This is the Plaza Hotel, please.
293
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Plaza. Corie, it's the Plaza.
294
00:19:25,389 --> 00:19:27,514
Wait a minute,
I'm not finished.
295
00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:29,764
Corie, the man is waiting,
waiting.
296
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Give him a big tip.
297
00:19:31,514 --> 00:19:33,723
Paul, tell me you're not
sorry we got married.
298
00:19:33,806 --> 00:19:36,598
After 40 minutes? Let's give
it a couple of hours first.
299
00:19:36,681 --> 00:19:40,598
Paul, if the honeymoon doesn't
work out, let's not get divorced,
300
00:19:40,681 --> 00:19:42,222
let's kill each other.
301
00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:43,639
Let's have one
of the maids do it.
302
00:19:43,723 --> 00:19:45,347
I hear the service here
is wonderful.
303
00:19:49,222 --> 00:19:52,264
Sometimes you just find
yourself in sync,
304
00:19:52,347 --> 00:19:54,264
and that happened from the
very beginning with Jane.
305
00:19:54,347 --> 00:19:55,639
There was just something that,
306
00:19:55,723 --> 00:19:58,347
that naturally developed
between us.
307
00:19:59,055 --> 00:20:01,598
There was a chemistry
that just was there,
308
00:20:01,681 --> 00:20:03,431
and it was also fun.
309
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She saw the humor in things,
310
00:20:07,723 --> 00:20:09,472
but at the same time,
311
00:20:09,556 --> 00:20:12,764
she shared her insecurities
and her doubts.
312
00:20:14,681 --> 00:20:16,848
In our friendship, we've been
very honest with each other
313
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about our angers,
our frustrations.
314
00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:25,014
And, at a certain point, Jane
just had an instinct that said,
315
00:20:25,097 --> 00:20:28,264
"Down deep,
there's something missing."
316
00:20:30,055 --> 00:20:32,180
A lot of other
people were defining me,
317
00:20:32,264 --> 00:20:34,472
all of them men.
318
00:20:34,556 --> 00:20:37,639
I never felt real.
319
00:20:38,639 --> 00:20:43,014
I just thought, "I've got to get
out from under my father's shadow.
320
00:20:43,097 --> 00:20:47,306
"Maybe if I go to France
during the new wave period,
321
00:20:47,389 --> 00:20:49,514
"I will...
322
00:20:49,598 --> 00:20:51,514
find who I really am."
323
00:20:51,598 --> 00:20:56,389
I was always in search of some per...
somebody that was real in there.
324
00:22:25,014 --> 00:22:27,639
One night, when I
first arrived in Paris,
325
00:22:27,723 --> 00:22:31,556
I was at Maxim's
with a group of actors,
326
00:22:32,389 --> 00:22:35,848
and Roger Vadim walked in.
327
00:22:36,431 --> 00:22:39,014
I knew that
he had a reputation.
328
00:22:39,097 --> 00:22:43,431
He had been married to Brigitte Bardot and
he'd had a child with Catherine Deneuve.
329
00:22:43,514 --> 00:22:47,764
He had already directed
And God Created Woman.
330
00:22:47,848 --> 00:22:50,014
He was a rock star.
331
00:22:51,097 --> 00:22:53,681
He walked in,
and I immediately felt
332
00:22:53,764 --> 00:22:55,306
endangered.
333
00:22:55,389 --> 00:22:57,514
He felt predatory,
334
00:22:57,598 --> 00:22:59,764
but charming,
335
00:22:59,848 --> 00:23:01,639
sexy.
336
00:23:06,723 --> 00:23:09,972
I promised myself,
"I will never make a movie
337
00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:12,139
with Roger Vadim."
338
00:23:30,055 --> 00:23:32,806
I was making the
Rene Clement movie
339
00:23:32,889 --> 00:23:34,389
called Les Felins .
340
00:23:36,889 --> 00:23:38,472
Why are you looking
at me like that?
341
00:23:39,889 --> 00:23:42,180
Am I attractive to you?
342
00:23:42,264 --> 00:23:44,014
I had just done a scene
343
00:23:44,097 --> 00:23:47,347
where I'm in a teddy, you know,
a little underwear,
344
00:23:47,431 --> 00:23:50,014
and, uh, I... I got a...
345
00:23:50,097 --> 00:23:53,889
message that Vadim was in the canteen
and... and wanted to see me.
346
00:23:56,306 --> 00:23:59,222
I realized that I was
excited to see him.
347
00:23:59,306 --> 00:24:02,723
I threw on my trench coat,
348
00:24:02,806 --> 00:24:04,723
and as I ran
into the canteen,
349
00:24:04,806 --> 00:24:08,222
the trench coat blew open.
350
00:24:10,848 --> 00:24:14,139
And that night,
we went back to my hotel.
351
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:18,097
He didn't speak very good English.
352
00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:21,389
Maybe if he had,
I'd never have married him.
353
00:24:24,514 --> 00:24:27,180
You know,
Vadim's so charismatic,
354
00:24:27,264 --> 00:24:30,806
so utterly seductive
and charming.
355
00:24:32,806 --> 00:24:35,264
You walked down the
Champs-Élysées with Vadim,
356
00:24:35,347 --> 00:24:37,097
it was like walking down the
street with Robert Redford.
357
00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:39,097
I mean,
people would like...
358
00:24:39,180 --> 00:24:41,848
They'd freak and ask for
his autograph, and...
359
00:24:42,347 --> 00:24:47,139
Our life together was heady
and, um, slightly hedonistic.
360
00:24:50,681 --> 00:24:53,264
But then there was this
old shoe quality to him,
361
00:24:53,347 --> 00:24:55,389
it was this
comfortable part of him.
362
00:24:55,472 --> 00:24:57,014
Nathalie!
363
00:24:57,514 --> 00:25:00,556
He'd cross town to see
his daughter every day.
364
00:25:01,180 --> 00:25:02,556
Aww.
365
00:25:03,972 --> 00:25:05,222
Oh.
366
00:25:08,472 --> 00:25:11,055
Jane came into
my life when I was three.
367
00:25:11,139 --> 00:25:13,222
She looked very young,
I remember that.
368
00:25:13,306 --> 00:25:14,681
Younger than she was.
369
00:25:15,389 --> 00:25:18,306
I would see
my biological mother rarely.
370
00:25:18,389 --> 00:25:21,097
And Jane was always there.
371
00:25:21,180 --> 00:25:24,222
And so I became
really close to her.
372
00:25:25,431 --> 00:25:28,556
She became my surrogate mother,
basically,
373
00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:32,389
and the person who...
who raised me.
374
00:25:34,055 --> 00:25:38,014
We moved into a farmhouse
that I bought outside of Paris.
375
00:25:39,264 --> 00:25:41,431
There was something
so appealing to me
376
00:25:41,514 --> 00:25:44,055
about putting down roots.
377
00:25:45,347 --> 00:25:46,681
I saw myself
378
00:25:46,764 --> 00:25:49,097
being married
and having a family
379
00:25:49,180 --> 00:25:50,848
and living in France.
380
00:25:52,556 --> 00:25:53,930
Well,
381
00:25:54,014 --> 00:25:58,055
Vadim was
so full of contradictions.
382
00:25:58,139 --> 00:26:01,598
There were a lot of issues
that I just chose not to see.
383
00:26:04,222 --> 00:26:07,723
I didn't know what compulsive
gambling was or alcoholism.
384
00:26:08,972 --> 00:26:12,972
If I would complain,
he would call me bourgeois.
385
00:26:13,764 --> 00:26:17,180
Oh my God... forbid that you would
ever be worried about money
386
00:26:17,264 --> 00:26:20,306
or complain about money
or complain about
387
00:26:20,389 --> 00:26:23,264
extramarital affairs
or anything like that.
388
00:26:24,097 --> 00:26:28,180
When she finds an
interest, she's focused on it.
389
00:26:28,264 --> 00:26:32,389
At that point, that interest
was Vadim, so...
390
00:26:32,472 --> 00:26:34,598
she became what Vadim wanted.
391
00:26:35,264 --> 00:26:37,639
Does he know
you that well, Jane?
392
00:26:37,723 --> 00:26:40,431
I think he, he knows me
better than I know me.
393
00:26:41,972 --> 00:26:45,848
Actresses are
usually quite... dumb.
394
00:26:45,930 --> 00:26:49,389
We're really quite stupid about
what we think we can do well.
395
00:26:49,472 --> 00:26:51,764
And it's the director
that comes along
396
00:26:51,848 --> 00:26:54,014
and makes us use muscles
we've never used before.
397
00:26:54,097 --> 00:26:56,889
Vadim...
does that all the time.
398
00:26:56,972 --> 00:26:59,930
I would say, "I can't do that,
I... I can't play that scene."
399
00:27:00,014 --> 00:27:03,848
And he'd make me do it,
and they'd be the good scenes.
400
00:27:03,930 --> 00:27:07,889
Here I was, trying
to not be defined by men,
401
00:27:07,972 --> 00:27:11,222
ended up with a man
who was the ultimate
402
00:27:11,306 --> 00:27:14,472
definer of femininity.
403
00:27:15,264 --> 00:27:18,097
That's where I was at that time.
404
00:27:19,264 --> 00:27:21,639
I wanted someone to mold me.
405
00:27:22,681 --> 00:27:24,139
I wanted him...
406
00:27:24,222 --> 00:27:27,556
to help me become a woman.
407
00:27:33,055 --> 00:27:38,389
Dino De Laurentiis sent me the very famous
French comic book called, Barbarella.
408
00:27:38,472 --> 00:27:41,639
He wanted to make a movie,
and would I play Barbarella.
409
00:27:42,681 --> 00:27:46,806
Now, I knew that Bardot had turned it
down, Sophia Loren had turned it down,
410
00:27:46,889 --> 00:27:49,889
and I didn't want to do it.
411
00:27:49,972 --> 00:27:52,306
I mean,
I look at these pictures,
412
00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:55,306
I didn't identify
with Barbarella.
413
00:27:55,848 --> 00:27:59,055
Well, Vadim was, I think,
414
00:27:59,139 --> 00:28:03,306
probably the number one science
fiction aficionado in the world.
415
00:28:03,389 --> 00:28:08,347
So, when you have a science
fiction story that's about sex...
416
00:28:09,389 --> 00:28:13,222
there was no way I was not gonna do this
movie, and he was going to direct it.
417
00:28:23,514 --> 00:28:27,180
Vadim wanted the film to open
with a space strip tease.
418
00:28:31,264 --> 00:28:33,139
He took the set
419
00:28:33,222 --> 00:28:35,264
and turned it so that
420
00:28:35,347 --> 00:28:38,764
the opening of the set was facing
the ceiling of the sound stage.
421
00:28:38,848 --> 00:28:42,972
Then he put a very thick
pane of glass over it,
422
00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:45,347
and then I laid on top
of the glass
423
00:28:45,431 --> 00:28:47,556
like I was floating in space.
424
00:29:03,264 --> 00:29:05,431
And then I had
to be naked.
425
00:29:06,972 --> 00:29:10,972
I was drunk. I drank
so much vodka to do that.
426
00:29:11,806 --> 00:29:14,806
It was so terrifying for me.
427
00:29:18,930 --> 00:29:23,055
And then the next morning,
we hear that a bat
428
00:29:23,139 --> 00:29:24,639
had flown...
429
00:29:24,723 --> 00:29:26,389
between me and the camera
430
00:29:26,472 --> 00:29:27,889
that was hanging
from the ceiling.
431
00:29:27,972 --> 00:29:30,681
and spoiled the take
and we had to do it again.
432
00:29:30,764 --> 00:29:32,097
Oh, God.
433
00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:33,930
So the take that actually
got used,
434
00:29:34,014 --> 00:29:36,930
I was not only drunk,
I was hungover, too.
435
00:29:38,472 --> 00:29:40,806
Are you typical
of Earth women?
436
00:29:43,014 --> 00:29:44,264
I'm about average.
437
00:29:48,514 --> 00:29:51,389
When I look at the movie
now, I thoroughly enjoy it.
438
00:29:51,472 --> 00:29:54,055
I mean,
I think it's just a camp
439
00:29:54,139 --> 00:29:57,222
romp, really. I don't think
it's particularly sexy.
440
00:30:02,972 --> 00:30:04,972
I wasn't a questioner.
441
00:30:05,806 --> 00:30:08,723
Superficial can
come pretty easy to me.
442
00:30:08,806 --> 00:30:12,180
I mean, it's more convenient.
443
00:30:13,514 --> 00:30:14,848
You know, I spent...
444
00:30:16,014 --> 00:30:19,848
quite a few decades
not asking too many questions.
445
00:30:28,347 --> 00:30:29,930
There was a time when
446
00:30:30,014 --> 00:30:31,806
I believed so strongly
447
00:30:31,889 --> 00:30:34,598
that if American soldiers
were fighting somewhere,
448
00:30:34,681 --> 00:30:37,431
we had to be
on the side of the angels.
449
00:30:37,514 --> 00:30:41,306
It was inconceivable to me
that it could be otherwise.
450
00:30:42,806 --> 00:30:45,097
My father had fought
in the Second World War.
451
00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:47,889
He was so proud of it,
I understood that.
452
00:30:49,889 --> 00:30:53,930
I mean, I was
Miss Army Recruiter in 1959.
453
00:30:58,514 --> 00:31:01,889
I remember in 1964,
454
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:05,139
Vadim and I were
in St. Tropez.
455
00:31:05,222 --> 00:31:07,681
He picked up the paper,
and the headlines
456
00:31:07,764 --> 00:31:12,723
were talking about how Congress had
passed the Tonkin Gulf Resolution.
457
00:31:16,681 --> 00:31:18,097
Vadim erupted,
458
00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:19,972
my non-political husband.
459
00:31:23,556 --> 00:31:27,222
"What are they doing? There is
no way they can win that war."
460
00:31:28,556 --> 00:31:31,055
"Your Congress
is out of its mind."
461
00:31:31,723 --> 00:31:35,180
And I'm thinking, "Sour grapes.
Just 'cause you guys didn't win,
462
00:31:35,264 --> 00:31:39,055
the French, when you fought
the Vietnamese." You know?
463
00:31:39,139 --> 00:31:42,848
That was how...
little I knew.
464
00:31:47,472 --> 00:31:51,306
I had grown very close
to Simone Signoret.
465
00:31:51,389 --> 00:31:54,972
She was one of the top
French movie stars.
466
00:31:55,806 --> 00:31:57,806
And she had become
an activist.
467
00:31:58,431 --> 00:32:02,014
Artists, writers,
poets, philosophers
468
00:32:02,097 --> 00:32:05,264
were at the forefront
of activism.
469
00:32:05,972 --> 00:32:07,723
Simone de Beauvoir,
470
00:32:07,806 --> 00:32:09,598
Jean Paul Sartre.
471
00:32:11,598 --> 00:32:13,556
I didn't really move
in those circles
472
00:32:13,639 --> 00:32:15,848
with the exception
of Simone Signoret.
473
00:32:16,972 --> 00:32:18,514
She kind of...
474
00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:21,347
opened the door
a crack for me.
475
00:32:21,764 --> 00:32:23,889
But, you know,
I remember thinking,
476
00:32:23,972 --> 00:32:26,764
"I'm not as smart
as she thinks I am."
477
00:32:29,097 --> 00:32:30,681
1968.
478
00:32:32,139 --> 00:32:34,306
I was pregnant.
479
00:32:34,930 --> 00:32:37,514
I think that
when a woman is pregnant,
480
00:32:38,806 --> 00:32:42,556
more than ever,
she's like a sponge.
481
00:32:42,639 --> 00:32:48,764
Very attuned to and receptive to
what's in the ether.
482
00:32:48,848 --> 00:32:51,472
Not just around her,
but in the world.
483
00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:57,389
I'm watching on television
the Tet Offensive.
484
00:33:02,806 --> 00:33:06,431
I'm looking at
newsreel from Chicago.
485
00:33:06,514 --> 00:33:08,723
We are going to gather here
486
00:33:08,806 --> 00:33:10,806
by any means necessary.
487
00:33:11,347 --> 00:33:15,681
The demonstrations,
the beatings, the bloodiness.
488
00:33:16,972 --> 00:33:18,514
I thought of Simone.
489
00:33:19,139 --> 00:33:20,556
I drove to her farmhouse
490
00:33:20,639 --> 00:33:22,014
out in the country.
491
00:33:22,472 --> 00:33:24,389
And I remember, she opened
the door and she said,
492
00:33:24,472 --> 00:33:26,139
"I've been waiting for you."
493
00:33:26,222 --> 00:33:30,889
She said, "I knew you'd come
to talk about the war."
494
00:33:44,889 --> 00:33:46,764
Simone explained
to me that,
495
00:33:46,848 --> 00:33:50,264
that the Vietnamese had been
fighting for thousands of years,
496
00:33:50,764 --> 00:33:54,389
against the Mongols,
against China.
497
00:33:55,347 --> 00:33:57,055
They had always won.
498
00:33:59,180 --> 00:34:01,180
For America to fight a war
499
00:34:01,264 --> 00:34:03,848
thousands and thousands
of miles away,
500
00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:06,472
in a country
that they didn't understand,
501
00:34:06,556 --> 00:34:08,681
against a people who...
502
00:34:08,764 --> 00:34:11,514
wanted, above all else,
independence.
503
00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:17,389
There was no way
that we could win.
504
00:34:19,598 --> 00:34:22,347
You know,
it's funny, suddenly,
505
00:34:22,431 --> 00:34:25,681
I felt, more than I ever had,
506
00:34:25,764 --> 00:34:27,222
American.
507
00:34:28,598 --> 00:34:30,806
It seems
completely contradictory,
508
00:34:30,889 --> 00:34:32,639
you know, in a few years,
509
00:34:32,723 --> 00:34:34,055
people that didn't like me
were saying,
510
00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:35,723
"Go back to Hanoi,"
and all that.
511
00:34:35,806 --> 00:34:39,222
But I felt, "No, no, no,
this is...
512
00:34:39,306 --> 00:34:42,222
"We've taken a wrong path.
513
00:34:42,306 --> 00:34:45,014
"I want to be with my people,
in my country,
514
00:34:45,097 --> 00:34:47,389
"and try to make this right."
515
00:34:49,556 --> 00:34:53,097
I really, I wanted my life
to have meaning.
516
00:34:54,431 --> 00:34:57,306
But I was married,
and I was pregnant, and...
517
00:34:57,389 --> 00:35:01,389
Oh my gosh.
I don't know what to do.
518
00:35:01,472 --> 00:35:05,055
I said,
I just don't know what to do.
519
00:35:05,139 --> 00:35:08,014
She realized that
520
00:35:08,097 --> 00:35:11,180
there was more to life than just
being a housewife, actress.
521
00:35:12,014 --> 00:35:14,431
And Vadim,
although progressive,
522
00:35:14,514 --> 00:35:19,347
getting involved in politics, and really
getting involved, was not his thing.
523
00:35:20,472 --> 00:35:22,389
Vanessa was born...
524
00:35:22,472 --> 00:35:26,389
and it was a very, very,
very traumatic birth.
525
00:35:26,472 --> 00:35:29,806
They used forceps,
and they tore me.
526
00:35:30,472 --> 00:35:31,889
I hemorrhaged a lot.
527
00:35:31,972 --> 00:35:35,556
I was suffering
from postpartum depression.
528
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:37,723
My milk didn't come...
529
00:35:37,806 --> 00:35:41,264
That bond that's supposed
to happen, um,
530
00:35:41,347 --> 00:35:43,306
it just didn't.
531
00:35:43,389 --> 00:35:46,639
I felt like I was
the bad mother,
532
00:35:46,723 --> 00:35:49,514
and I was terrified.
533
00:35:50,723 --> 00:35:54,723
It surprised me,
this feeling of fear.
534
00:35:56,180 --> 00:36:00,306
And, you know, later on, as I
look back on it, I know why.
535
00:36:00,389 --> 00:36:01,889
It was because...
536
00:36:08,347 --> 00:36:10,848
It's hard to talk about. Um...
537
00:36:15,014 --> 00:36:18,598
I always saw my mother
as a victim.
538
00:36:18,681 --> 00:36:22,180
Women equals victim.
539
00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:25,514
"I am a woman,
540
00:36:25,598 --> 00:36:29,889
I am gonna be damaged,
I am gonna be crushed."
541
00:36:33,389 --> 00:36:37,306
My mother was
a very complicated woman,
542
00:36:37,389 --> 00:36:41,139
very, very beautiful woman,
543
00:36:41,222 --> 00:36:44,556
but she always
seemed sick.
544
00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:48,264
We'd sit in the living room,
and she'd hold my hand,
545
00:36:48,347 --> 00:36:52,180
and her hand would be
trembling like this.
546
00:36:52,264 --> 00:36:54,139
And...
547
00:36:54,222 --> 00:36:59,139
I didn't want her to feel bad so I
would make my hand tremble, too.
548
00:36:59,222 --> 00:37:02,306
I mean, it was...
it was hard to figure out
549
00:37:02,389 --> 00:37:04,598
what was happening with her.
550
00:37:08,139 --> 00:37:10,681
Poor mom.
551
00:37:10,764 --> 00:37:15,347
I think my father was not the person
she ever should have married.
552
00:37:15,431 --> 00:37:17,389
He was not kind to her.
553
00:37:18,389 --> 00:37:21,972
My father went to Broadway
to do Mr. Roberts.
554
00:37:22,889 --> 00:37:26,014
And so we moved
to Connecticut.
555
00:37:26,097 --> 00:37:28,972
My mother... that was
where her mental health
556
00:37:29,055 --> 00:37:31,598
was really deteriorating.
557
00:37:32,472 --> 00:37:34,972
I didn't know it
at the time,
558
00:37:35,055 --> 00:37:37,972
but the sister
of the stage manager
559
00:37:38,806 --> 00:37:41,681
was seven years
older than me,
560
00:37:41,764 --> 00:37:45,139
and my father had fallen
in love with her.
561
00:37:46,431 --> 00:37:50,097
It was a difficult time
for my mother, obviously.
562
00:37:51,598 --> 00:37:54,306
I remember sitting
at dinner...
563
00:37:55,472 --> 00:37:58,180
We ate Spam,
564
00:37:58,264 --> 00:37:59,930
not all the time,
565
00:38:00,014 --> 00:38:03,889
but occasionally, it would be
canned fruit and Spam.
566
00:38:03,972 --> 00:38:05,180
Very weird.
567
00:38:06,472 --> 00:38:08,431
And sitting at the table,
568
00:38:08,514 --> 00:38:10,681
I looked down
and my mother was...
569
00:38:10,764 --> 00:38:13,556
there were tears
pouring down her face
570
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,556
onto her dinner plate.
571
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,848
And my grandmother was here, and my
brother... and no one said a word.
572
00:38:24,681 --> 00:38:26,889
And I remember,
one afternoon her
573
00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:29,681
being taken to a hospital.
574
00:38:31,514 --> 00:38:33,472
The last time she came home,
575
00:38:33,556 --> 00:38:36,097
she has convinced the people
at the institution
576
00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:38,306
that she was getting well
and they let her come home,
577
00:38:38,389 --> 00:38:40,889
with a nurse accompanying her.
578
00:38:40,972 --> 00:38:44,139
My brother and I had been
upstairs playing jacks.
579
00:38:44,806 --> 00:38:46,723
Grandma called for us
to come down,
580
00:38:46,806 --> 00:38:48,180
and I wouldn't go.
581
00:38:49,139 --> 00:38:52,264
I said to Peter,
"You go and I'll let you win,
582
00:38:52,347 --> 00:38:54,139
if you go down, I'm not going."
583
00:38:56,806 --> 00:38:58,639
I never saw her again.
584
00:39:00,139 --> 00:39:04,598
That was the day she snuck
a razor out of the house,
585
00:39:04,681 --> 00:39:07,139
and then killed herself.
586
00:39:11,347 --> 00:39:13,139
I came home
from school one day,
587
00:39:13,222 --> 00:39:15,972
my father and my grandmother
were sitting in the living room,
588
00:39:16,055 --> 00:39:17,598
and they sat me down,
and they said,
589
00:39:17,681 --> 00:39:20,389
"Your mother
died of a heart attack."
590
00:39:22,264 --> 00:39:24,806
I could hear Peter crying.
591
00:39:24,889 --> 00:39:28,639
And I kept thinking, "Why
can't I cry?" I never cried.
592
00:39:28,723 --> 00:39:31,598
I never cried,
I sat on the edge of my bed
593
00:39:31,681 --> 00:39:33,389
thinking,
"What's the matter with me?"
594
00:39:34,556 --> 00:39:36,139
And people would say,
595
00:39:36,222 --> 00:39:39,139
"God, Jane
isn't she amazing?
596
00:39:39,222 --> 00:39:42,306
"She's so strong."
597
00:39:42,389 --> 00:39:47,306
So it was like approbation
for keeping it all in.
598
00:39:47,389 --> 00:39:49,681
And that became
my modus operandi.
599
00:39:50,598 --> 00:39:52,681
Um...
600
00:39:52,764 --> 00:39:56,723
it was very hard for me to
ever be able to kinda do away
601
00:39:56,806 --> 00:39:58,848
with that.
It took a long, long time.
602
00:39:58,930 --> 00:40:00,180
Um...
603
00:40:00,264 --> 00:40:02,806
Did you
notice, uh, or observe
604
00:40:02,889 --> 00:40:06,014
how your father reacted
to your mother's death?
605
00:40:06,097 --> 00:40:08,347
Well, dad came out
and he dropped the news,
606
00:40:08,431 --> 00:40:11,681
and then went back to New York
and did his play.
607
00:40:11,764 --> 00:40:12,723
Um...
608
00:40:12,806 --> 00:40:14,639
that was dad.
609
00:40:14,723 --> 00:40:16,806
The show must go on.
610
00:40:24,264 --> 00:40:27,848
My father took me
to Union Station,
611
00:40:27,930 --> 00:40:29,389
with my suitcase,
612
00:40:29,472 --> 00:40:32,806
and put me on the train
to boarding school.
613
00:40:34,848 --> 00:40:37,556
He was newly married.
614
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:40,556
He was in a play
on Broadway, and...
615
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:42,848
making films in the summer.
I mean, it was obvious
616
00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:46,180
that Peter and I couldn't
continue living at home with him.
617
00:40:48,431 --> 00:40:51,972
Nobody had ever talked to us about
what had happened with my mother.
618
00:40:53,472 --> 00:40:57,055
I found out
because of a movie magazine.
619
00:40:57,139 --> 00:41:02,889
And it said, "Henry Fonda's
ex-wife, Frances de Villers Fonda,
620
00:41:02,972 --> 00:41:06,930
"cut her throat with a razor
at the Riggs Institute," and...
621
00:41:14,306 --> 00:41:16,764
It was an awkward situation
on a lot of different levels.
622
00:41:16,848 --> 00:41:20,764
And, to my dad, boarding
school was getting us
623
00:41:20,848 --> 00:41:22,306
into a safe place,
624
00:41:22,389 --> 00:41:25,264
and it was also getting us
out of his hair.
625
00:41:54,222 --> 00:41:56,389
It was like a haven.
626
00:41:56,472 --> 00:42:01,180
It was a... it was the steady thing in
my life. It was the core of my life.
627
00:42:04,055 --> 00:42:05,848
I became very aware
628
00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:08,681
of the fact that
I was really different,
629
00:42:08,764 --> 00:42:11,848
not just because
my father was famous.
630
00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:15,723
We just lived differently.
631
00:42:18,723 --> 00:42:22,139
There was no...
continuity.
632
00:42:22,222 --> 00:42:24,431
Susan was his third wife,
633
00:42:24,514 --> 00:42:26,598
he would have two more
after that.
634
00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:30,431
I didn't have a community
of friends
635
00:42:30,514 --> 00:42:33,180
that I had gone to school with
before I came here.
636
00:42:33,264 --> 00:42:36,055
My friends were the friends
that I made here.
637
00:42:38,389 --> 00:42:39,598
I loved it.
638
00:42:40,930 --> 00:42:43,472
I loved biology.
639
00:42:43,556 --> 00:42:44,806
I also loved history.
640
00:42:44,889 --> 00:42:47,139
I loved the Roman
and Greek history.
641
00:42:48,431 --> 00:42:50,306
That's how I got into bulimia,
642
00:42:50,389 --> 00:42:54,723
learning about how the Romans would
gorge themselves and then...
643
00:42:55,764 --> 00:42:57,014
I had a roommate,
644
00:42:57,097 --> 00:42:58,556
Carol Bentley.
645
00:42:59,598 --> 00:43:02,097
Carol taught me to do this.
646
00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:04,806
And of course...
647
00:43:04,889 --> 00:43:07,139
you know, we didn't realize...
648
00:43:07,222 --> 00:43:10,180
what we were starting,
we didn't realize how...
649
00:43:10,264 --> 00:43:13,222
how dangerous it was,
and how addictive,
650
00:43:13,306 --> 00:43:16,514
and how it would affect
so much of our lives.
651
00:43:16,598 --> 00:43:17,972
But it's... it started here.
652
00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:22,514
You never told anybody
that you were...
653
00:43:22,598 --> 00:43:24,055
doing this.
654
00:43:24,139 --> 00:43:26,723
I thought it was just
her and me and the Romans.
655
00:43:26,806 --> 00:43:29,306
It never occurred to me
that anybody else did it.
656
00:43:33,306 --> 00:43:36,222
Mothers are often blamed
for that, but for me,
657
00:43:36,306 --> 00:43:38,472
it was... it was my dad.
658
00:43:40,264 --> 00:43:41,556
I made him ashamed.
659
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:43,431
He thought I was fat...
660
00:43:45,139 --> 00:43:48,389
because I didn't look
the way he wanted me to look.
661
00:43:48,472 --> 00:43:50,598
I knew that
he didn't want me around,
662
00:43:50,681 --> 00:43:52,264
or that I embarrassed him,
663
00:43:52,347 --> 00:43:55,264
and, I mean,
he told people that.
664
00:43:55,347 --> 00:43:58,264
I heard my father say things
about my body
665
00:43:58,347 --> 00:44:02,306
that has twisted my life
in deep ways ever since.
666
00:44:04,014 --> 00:44:09,097
And, by the way, most of his wives
suffered from eating disorders,
667
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:10,972
including my mother.
668
00:44:12,222 --> 00:44:16,222
So the shadow
of my mother's suicide,
669
00:44:16,306 --> 00:44:20,222
which happened a year
before I went to Emma Willard,
670
00:44:20,306 --> 00:44:22,514
was never far away.
671
00:44:35,848 --> 00:44:38,139
I'm gonna get off
this merry-go-round.
672
00:44:40,014 --> 00:44:42,889
I'm so sick
of the whole stinkin' thing.
673
00:44:46,347 --> 00:44:47,431
What thing?
674
00:44:49,889 --> 00:44:51,598
Life.
675
00:45:02,556 --> 00:45:06,930
They Shoot Horses, Don't They? was the
first time I had ever made a movie that...
676
00:45:07,014 --> 00:45:10,306
was about something.
677
00:45:10,389 --> 00:45:12,472
It's a metaphor, in a way,
678
00:45:12,556 --> 00:45:14,306
for...
679
00:45:14,389 --> 00:45:17,014
American society, greed.
680
00:45:17,930 --> 00:45:20,472
And the desperation
of people who don't
681
00:45:20,556 --> 00:45:22,180
have money and privilege.
682
00:45:25,097 --> 00:45:26,389
During the Depression,
683
00:45:26,472 --> 00:45:28,848
people would go
to these dance marathons
684
00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:31,139
to try to win
all kinds of prizes.
685
00:45:31,222 --> 00:45:34,097
And they would dance
without stopping for weeks.
686
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:38,972
These wonderful
kids deserve your cheers
687
00:45:39,055 --> 00:45:40,389
because each one of them
688
00:45:40,472 --> 00:45:44,180
is fighting down pain,
exhaustion, weariness,
689
00:45:44,264 --> 00:45:47,514
struggling to keep going,
battling to win.
690
00:45:47,598 --> 00:45:50,389
And isn't that the American way?
691
00:45:56,764 --> 00:45:58,347
Before
we started shooting,
692
00:45:58,431 --> 00:46:00,681
Sydney Pollack called me.
693
00:46:00,764 --> 00:46:02,723
I didn't know who he was.
694
00:46:02,806 --> 00:46:05,848
He'd made, maybe,
one other movie.
695
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:09,848
And I'll never forget it, he said, "You
know, what do you think of the script?
696
00:46:09,930 --> 00:46:12,889
"Tell me what
you think we've left out.
697
00:46:12,972 --> 00:46:15,556
"Let me know if you think
there's something important."
698
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,930
Well, I mean, no director had...
including my husband,
699
00:46:19,014 --> 00:46:20,723
who directed me
in several movies...
700
00:46:20,806 --> 00:46:24,930
had ever...
talked to me that way,
701
00:46:25,014 --> 00:46:28,347
asked my opinion
about things that were profound.
702
00:46:28,431 --> 00:46:33,347
I always had
this sense that she was...
703
00:46:33,431 --> 00:46:35,222
a serious actress
704
00:46:35,306 --> 00:46:37,723
buried inside this glamour-puss.
705
00:46:37,806 --> 00:46:39,681
Work, work, work!
706
00:46:39,764 --> 00:46:41,723
They Shoot Horses, Don't They?
was a much darker film,
707
00:46:41,806 --> 00:46:45,889
and asked her to go to a
different place in herself.
708
00:46:45,972 --> 00:46:47,514
And she was great
in the role.
709
00:46:47,598 --> 00:46:52,139
There's not a shred of vanity
in the performance.
710
00:46:52,222 --> 00:46:54,889
Syndey made me feel seen,
711
00:46:54,972 --> 00:46:56,514
and of worth.
712
00:46:57,556 --> 00:47:00,055
And so I thought,
"Yeah, I'm gonna go there."
713
00:47:01,306 --> 00:47:03,431
I threw myself
into the character
714
00:47:03,514 --> 00:47:05,598
the way I never had before.
715
00:47:07,972 --> 00:47:09,930
I lived at the studio.
716
00:47:10,014 --> 00:47:13,930
I looked at paintings
and pictures of crazy people.
717
00:47:14,014 --> 00:47:17,514
I wrapped myself
in a cocoon of darkness.
718
00:47:18,347 --> 00:47:23,097
I had a... six-month-old
child and a husband.
719
00:47:23,180 --> 00:47:28,139
But I just didn't have the
technique yet where I could go
720
00:47:28,222 --> 00:47:32,264
as far down the dark hole
as I possibly could,
721
00:47:32,347 --> 00:47:34,389
and be a wife and mother.
722
00:47:35,389 --> 00:47:37,598
I had to stay
in the dark hole.
723
00:47:39,723 --> 00:47:42,930
The presence of my mother
was with me.
724
00:47:43,723 --> 00:47:47,598
I had to get myself
to a point
725
00:47:47,681 --> 00:47:51,389
where I really felt...
"Why go on?
726
00:47:53,222 --> 00:47:56,556
There's absolutely no point."
727
00:48:05,556 --> 00:48:06,681
Now?
728
00:48:07,889 --> 00:48:09,389
Now.
729
00:48:22,389 --> 00:48:23,889
Then, something shifted.
730
00:48:26,556 --> 00:48:31,389
My wig from They Shoot Horses
comes off,
731
00:48:31,472 --> 00:48:35,681
I've got this long,
still-Barbarella-esque hair,
732
00:48:35,764 --> 00:48:39,972
and I just thought,
"This is not me anymore."
733
00:48:41,806 --> 00:48:44,306
I had my first hair epiphany.
734
00:48:47,097 --> 00:48:49,472
Someone said my hair
needed its own agent.
735
00:48:51,097 --> 00:48:53,764
And I went to Vadim's barber,
Paul McGregor,
736
00:48:54,806 --> 00:48:57,806
who had a salon
in Greenwich Village,
737
00:48:58,806 --> 00:49:01,389
and I said,
"Do something.
738
00:49:01,472 --> 00:49:02,848
Cut if off."
739
00:49:05,806 --> 00:49:09,097
And he gave me what has become
known as the Klute hairdo.
740
00:49:16,139 --> 00:49:20,222
I was very conflicted about whether it
was a good idea to be playing a hooker.
741
00:49:24,097 --> 00:49:25,930
Before we started shooting,
742
00:49:26,014 --> 00:49:29,306
I came to New York and spent a
week with call girls and madams,
743
00:49:30,347 --> 00:49:34,014
really in the bowels
of that dark world.
744
00:49:35,598 --> 00:49:38,055
There was a hardness
745
00:49:38,139 --> 00:49:40,681
to them that was
painful to watch.
746
00:49:41,556 --> 00:49:46,097
Not one pimp looked
at me twice,
747
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:47,930
didn't even wink at me.
748
00:49:48,014 --> 00:49:51,598
And what that said to me was, it
played right to my insecurities,
749
00:49:51,681 --> 00:49:53,097
"They know...
750
00:49:53,180 --> 00:49:57,889
I'm just an upper-class,
privileged pretender."
751
00:49:58,681 --> 00:50:01,472
And that's what motivated me
to say to Alan Pakula,
752
00:50:01,556 --> 00:50:04,598
"I just... I don't... I don't know
if I can play this character.
753
00:50:04,681 --> 00:50:06,848
And you should hire
Faye Dunaway."
754
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,806
She came up to me and
she said, "Alan, I want out.
755
00:50:09,889 --> 00:50:11,681
I don't know what I'm doing."
756
00:50:12,347 --> 00:50:14,264
And "I just think
I'm wrong for this.
757
00:50:14,347 --> 00:50:16,306
I think it's not gonna work."
758
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:19,264
Get somebody else."
759
00:50:21,598 --> 00:50:23,472
And I said,
"I'm not letting you out."
760
00:50:25,431 --> 00:50:27,139
There was no way I would have
done that picture without Jane.
761
00:50:27,222 --> 00:50:30,472
Jane is a fascinating
combination
762
00:50:30,556 --> 00:50:32,639
of a woman
who has great courage,
763
00:50:32,723 --> 00:50:35,472
great strength,
and at the same time,
764
00:50:35,556 --> 00:50:39,014
had been used to being... like maybe
attracted to being controlled
765
00:50:39,097 --> 00:50:41,180
by somebody else.
766
00:50:41,264 --> 00:50:44,431
And I thought, where Jane
was in her life then,
767
00:50:44,514 --> 00:50:47,306
in a very transition time,
was absolutely right
768
00:50:47,389 --> 00:50:50,681
for this character of a woman
who's trying to change her life.
769
00:50:52,389 --> 00:50:54,347
I brought something
different to Klute
770
00:50:54,431 --> 00:50:56,806
than I had before.
771
00:50:56,889 --> 00:50:58,764
She was wounded.
772
00:50:58,848 --> 00:51:00,848
There was no ability
to trust anymore,
773
00:51:00,930 --> 00:51:03,972
that was what was
so hard for her.
774
00:51:04,055 --> 00:51:08,222
Once I began to kind of
marinate in that feeling,
775
00:51:08,306 --> 00:51:12,347
I could, um...
then I could play her.
776
00:51:15,222 --> 00:51:17,347
What's the difference
between going out on a call
777
00:51:17,431 --> 00:51:19,389
as a model or as an actress
or as a call girl?
778
00:51:19,472 --> 00:51:21,514
You're successful as a call
girl, you're not suc...
779
00:51:21,598 --> 00:51:24,055
Because when you're a call girl,
you control it, that's why.
780
00:51:24,139 --> 00:51:27,723
I said to Alan, "Can we shoot
all those psychiatrist's scenes
781
00:51:27,806 --> 00:51:29,639
"at the very, very end...
782
00:51:31,764 --> 00:51:34,889
when I've internalized her
the most completely?"
783
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:37,222
Nothing was written.
784
00:51:37,306 --> 00:51:40,347
I hadn't prepared anything
in particular.
785
00:51:40,431 --> 00:51:43,180
I just wanted to be present
in the moment,
786
00:51:43,264 --> 00:51:45,347
and let whatever happened
happen.
787
00:51:45,431 --> 00:51:48,347
I just started improvising.
788
00:51:48,431 --> 00:51:50,139
And for an hour...
789
00:51:52,306 --> 00:51:54,014
For an hour, I'm the best
actress in the world
790
00:51:54,097 --> 00:51:56,431
and the best fuck
in the world, and...
791
00:51:57,347 --> 00:51:58,764
you don't have
to feel anything,
792
00:51:58,848 --> 00:52:00,848
you don't have
to care about anything,
793
00:52:00,930 --> 00:52:03,556
you don't have
to like anybody...
794
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:06,764
That came from
a new place in me.
795
00:52:06,848 --> 00:52:10,222
That's when I realized
that anyone can change
796
00:52:10,306 --> 00:52:12,389
and become fierce.
797
00:52:26,472 --> 00:52:30,639
Jane Fonda, you've been
taking your public by surprise recently.
798
00:52:30,723 --> 00:52:35,014
Instead of being pictured on the beaches
of St. Tropez, you've been pictured
799
00:52:35,681 --> 00:52:39,097
invading Army camps
and getting yourself arrested.
800
00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:42,472
From where I am, it looks
like a different Jane Fonda.
801
00:52:42,556 --> 00:52:45,014
Oh, I think you're right.
I think I am different.
802
00:52:46,055 --> 00:52:49,264
Roger Vadim is French,
a director of motion pictures,
803
00:52:49,347 --> 00:52:51,639
and the husband
of Jane Fonda.
804
00:52:51,723 --> 00:52:54,431
Ms. Fonda is quite active
in the peace movement,
805
00:52:54,514 --> 00:52:57,764
the civil rights field, efforts
to aid Mexican-Americans,
806
00:52:57,848 --> 00:53:00,389
American-Indians,
and dissident soldiers.
807
00:53:00,472 --> 00:53:02,889
Vadim says, "Ms. Fonda is
happy, very happy.
808
00:53:02,972 --> 00:53:05,264
"But said she decided,"
as he put it,
809
00:53:05,347 --> 00:53:09,180
"To take on the sins of her country,
she has lost her sense of humor."
810
00:53:09,264 --> 00:53:10,764
As a case in point,
811
00:53:10,848 --> 00:53:13,264
he reported that one day,
recently, he called her
812
00:53:13,347 --> 00:53:14,681
"Jane of Arc."
813
00:53:14,764 --> 00:53:16,514
He says,
she didn't laugh at all.
814
00:53:18,347 --> 00:53:20,930
I knew that I was
gonna have to leave Vadim,
815
00:53:21,014 --> 00:53:25,639
and that whole
hedonistic relationship.
816
00:53:25,723 --> 00:53:29,514
And I think it was
deeply confusing for him
817
00:53:29,598 --> 00:53:32,806
to have a wife that he
cared for leave him...
818
00:53:32,889 --> 00:53:35,848
not for another man,
but for an idea.
819
00:53:38,723 --> 00:53:42,014
She tends to
move on from things.
820
00:53:42,889 --> 00:53:45,972
You know, you don't really realize how
you affect people when you do that.
821
00:53:46,055 --> 00:53:48,180
It's like, "Oh, okay,
now I'm done with this,
822
00:53:48,264 --> 00:53:51,598
therefore I'm gonna make new friends,
and it's gonna be a new life."
823
00:53:52,472 --> 00:53:54,514
You know,
and we got left behind.
824
00:53:58,139 --> 00:54:00,556
I came back from France
825
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,014
and I moved
into my father's house.
826
00:54:03,097 --> 00:54:06,723
And I began to...
become an activist.
827
00:54:07,930 --> 00:54:11,347
And my father could look
from the upstairs window
828
00:54:11,431 --> 00:54:14,347
down onto the courtyard
and see
829
00:54:14,431 --> 00:54:18,347
the leadership of the Black
Panther Party going in and out,
830
00:54:18,431 --> 00:54:21,180
and he said to me,
"If I find out
831
00:54:21,264 --> 00:54:24,681
you are a Communist,
I'm gonna turn you in!"
832
00:54:24,764 --> 00:54:29,264
And I remember running to my room,
I was still living with him,
833
00:54:29,347 --> 00:54:31,764
and just pulling the covers
over my head.
834
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:34,848
It came out of a fear,
for me
835
00:54:34,930 --> 00:54:38,306
I understand that now,
but it was so hurtful then.
836
00:54:39,472 --> 00:54:43,389
If you were good young people,
you would be fitting yourself
837
00:54:43,472 --> 00:54:45,848
into a scenario that has
been laid out for all of us,
838
00:54:45,930 --> 00:54:49,055
a nice, set scenario to fit us
into the American way of life.
839
00:54:49,139 --> 00:54:51,264
And it says that you
must conduct yourselves
840
00:54:51,347 --> 00:54:55,222
in the manner that meets the approval
and standards of the people in power.
841
00:54:55,306 --> 00:54:58,097
It's called
making it on your own.
842
00:55:15,806 --> 00:55:19,055
There was so much
catching up to do about Vietnam
843
00:55:19,139 --> 00:55:22,055
and about Native Americans
844
00:55:22,139 --> 00:55:24,930
and about what was happening
to black people,
845
00:55:25,014 --> 00:55:26,598
the Black Panthers.
846
00:55:26,681 --> 00:55:29,806
How could I have reached
the age of 32
847
00:55:29,889 --> 00:55:32,014
in such ignorance?
848
00:55:33,222 --> 00:55:34,598
I felt so guilty,
849
00:55:34,681 --> 00:55:37,097
and I just felt like
I had to, kind of,
850
00:55:37,180 --> 00:55:39,848
all of a sudden become
an overnight...
851
00:55:42,139 --> 00:55:43,806
righteous activist.
852
00:55:48,848 --> 00:55:50,723
All right!
853
00:55:50,806 --> 00:55:52,848
It's
generally acknowledged that
854
00:55:52,930 --> 00:55:55,889
new people who join the movement
become zealots.
855
00:55:57,556 --> 00:55:59,972
You know, they're
like converts, you know.
856
00:56:00,055 --> 00:56:01,306
And I think
that Jane is convinced
857
00:56:01,389 --> 00:56:04,306
that she is going to stop
the war in Vietnam,
858
00:56:04,389 --> 00:56:06,180
and that she knows
what is best
859
00:56:06,264 --> 00:56:07,472
and how to do it.
860
00:56:07,556 --> 00:56:08,639
I think people felt
861
00:56:08,723 --> 00:56:10,598
very suspicious
about my motives.
862
00:56:10,681 --> 00:56:12,556
I would've
if I'd been somebody else.
863
00:56:13,556 --> 00:56:17,514
"You are a rich movie star.
Why do you care? Why are you...
864
00:56:17,598 --> 00:56:19,014
"involving yourself in this?
865
00:56:19,097 --> 00:56:21,556
And how can I be sure
that you're for real?"
866
00:56:23,431 --> 00:56:25,639
I didn't quite know
what I was doing,
867
00:56:25,723 --> 00:56:28,681
or how to make
proper use of my celebrity.
868
00:56:28,764 --> 00:56:31,514
So much had happened
so quickly.
869
00:56:35,431 --> 00:56:38,723
I was alternately
bulimic and anorexic.
870
00:56:38,806 --> 00:56:44,723
I would, maybe, eat one soft-boiled
egg and spinach a day, period.
871
00:56:45,764 --> 00:56:50,139
I took Dexedrine,
which is speed.
872
00:56:51,139 --> 00:56:53,389
So I was really speedy,
873
00:56:53,972 --> 00:56:56,180
and I was starving,
874
00:56:56,264 --> 00:57:00,014
along with, like,
getting all of this new...
875
00:57:00,097 --> 00:57:03,306
information coming in
at a very rapid pace.
876
00:57:03,764 --> 00:57:07,972
We here today, together with the
multitudes across the country
877
00:57:08,055 --> 00:57:11,514
that are joined together
in massive protest,
878
00:57:11,598 --> 00:57:15,972
are showing to Richard Nixon
that his advisers...
879
00:57:16,930 --> 00:57:19,389
that the silent majority
is dead.
880
00:57:20,806 --> 00:57:23,055
I mean,
I'm high-strung anyway,
881
00:57:23,139 --> 00:57:25,514
but me on Dexedrine,
without eating
882
00:57:25,598 --> 00:57:29,264
and feeling like I have to say
everything all at once, it's like...
883
00:57:30,472 --> 00:57:34,014
I'm amazed that anybody
could receive what I was saying.
884
00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:38,681
It was like,
"Wow, who is this woman?"
885
00:57:39,806 --> 00:57:42,889
The winner is Jane Fonda
for Klute.
886
00:57:46,347 --> 00:57:49,681
My head was
not in Hollywood.
887
00:57:49,764 --> 00:57:54,264
I didn't think very much
about my career anymore.
888
00:57:54,347 --> 00:57:56,306
It wasn't where I was at.
889
00:57:57,848 --> 00:58:02,472
I wasn't some privileged person
kind of doling out money
890
00:58:02,556 --> 00:58:04,639
and then going about my life.
891
00:58:04,723 --> 00:58:08,972
It was full-time,
on-the-ground activism.
892
00:58:10,472 --> 00:58:12,097
I was on the road
all the time.
893
00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:16,222
I was identified with
different movements,
894
00:58:16,306 --> 00:58:18,806
and my life
was very complicated
895
00:58:18,889 --> 00:58:21,764
and very, very busy,
and intense.
896
00:58:21,848 --> 00:58:25,472
I do have a tendency
to kind of go full bore,
897
00:58:25,556 --> 00:58:28,389
200 percent,
for better or worse.
898
00:58:31,848 --> 00:58:33,889
It felt like a betrayal
to Vanessa.
899
00:58:38,556 --> 00:58:41,930
One night, I laid her on a towel on
the floor to change her diapers,
900
00:58:42,014 --> 00:58:46,472
and she looked very deep
into my eyes,
901
00:58:46,556 --> 00:58:50,389
and I could tell that she
was saying, "Where are you?
902
00:58:54,097 --> 00:58:55,806
"Where are you?
903
00:58:55,889 --> 00:58:57,848
"Why don't you show up?"
904
00:58:57,930 --> 00:59:00,930
That's what I felt.
905
00:59:01,014 --> 00:59:02,889
And I had to look away.
906
00:59:05,389 --> 00:59:07,556
Isn't that awful?
907
00:59:08,055 --> 00:59:11,180
I was kinda in over my head.
908
00:59:11,264 --> 00:59:13,806
I desperately
needed structure,
909
00:59:13,889 --> 00:59:17,306
I desperately
needed guidance,
910
00:59:17,389 --> 00:59:18,598
and, uh,
911
00:59:18,681 --> 00:59:21,806
I had always turned
to men for that.
912
00:59:23,723 --> 00:59:27,806
We must be
unified, must be invincible,
913
00:59:27,889 --> 00:59:31,556
must be strong,
must find solidarity,
914
00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:34,848
must struggle,
must have a program,
915
00:59:34,930 --> 00:59:39,723
and must be the rock on which this
attempt to impose fascism is shattered.
916
00:59:45,930 --> 00:59:48,347
I was downtown
at some theater,
917
00:59:48,431 --> 00:59:52,055
and this guy shows up...
Tom Hayden.
918
00:59:53,389 --> 00:59:54,848
We connected
a little bit,
919
00:59:54,930 --> 00:59:56,681
and, uh, I could tell
920
00:59:56,764 --> 00:59:59,556
that something
was going on between us.
921
00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:02,389
He was a movement hero.
922
01:00:02,472 --> 01:00:05,055
I was extremely intimidated.
923
01:00:05,139 --> 01:00:07,889
I thought, "Oh, there's
just something so impish."
924
01:00:07,972 --> 01:00:10,764
He had a twinkle in his eye.
925
01:00:10,848 --> 01:00:14,055
He put his hand on my knee,
926
01:00:14,139 --> 01:00:19,681
and I felt this electric shock
go through my body,
927
01:00:19,764 --> 01:00:24,556
and I came home, and I said... I had a
roommate at the time, Ruby, and I said to her,
928
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:28,055
"I think that I've met the man
that I'm gonna marry next."
929
01:00:30,806 --> 01:00:35,055
He had been part of the
formation of the New Left.
930
01:00:35,139 --> 01:00:37,055
He had been
one of the Chicago 7.
931
01:00:37,139 --> 01:00:39,806
He was cofounder of SDS.
932
01:00:41,806 --> 01:00:45,139
I was already an activist
when Tom came along.
933
01:00:45,222 --> 01:00:49,097
But he had such experience,
he knew
934
01:00:49,180 --> 01:00:52,431
how to help me
go down that path,
935
01:00:52,514 --> 01:00:55,347
better and smarter and deeper.
936
01:00:56,681 --> 01:01:00,222
I had been in the peace
movement for a long time.
937
01:01:00,306 --> 01:01:04,097
But the first
SDS national demonstration,
938
01:01:04,180 --> 01:01:06,598
the largest
in American history,
939
01:01:06,681 --> 01:01:09,055
was in 1965.
940
01:01:09,139 --> 01:01:15,431
It was 25,000 people, that would
grow by 20-fold in just a few years,
941
01:01:15,514 --> 01:01:17,806
and Jane was involved
in all of that.
942
01:01:17,889 --> 01:01:22,723
She had a role in helping with
the, uh, GI coffee houses
943
01:01:22,806 --> 01:01:27,431
to share information with the
soldiers about their options.
944
01:01:27,514 --> 01:01:31,472
"Where exactly is Vietnam? What
exactly could happen to me?"
945
01:01:31,556 --> 01:01:34,014
That sort of thing
was very real.
946
01:01:34,097 --> 01:01:37,306
She suggested
that she hadn't been thinking,
947
01:01:37,389 --> 01:01:40,264
and that her recommendation
was to think.
948
01:01:40,347 --> 01:01:41,472
And they did.
949
01:01:43,431 --> 01:01:45,347
It spread to campuses,
950
01:01:45,431 --> 01:01:49,389
where, eventually, many thousands
of young men resisted.
951
01:01:52,180 --> 01:01:54,806
I was drawn
by her transformation
952
01:01:54,889 --> 01:01:58,347
from a Hollywood star
to a political star.
953
01:02:04,222 --> 01:02:07,389
It's not often that a movie
star also gets involved in anything
954
01:02:07,472 --> 01:02:11,806
that might irritate people, and my next
guest has certainly taken that chance
955
01:02:11,889 --> 01:02:13,972
and done it to the hilt.
956
01:02:14,055 --> 01:02:17,139
She, as I'm sure you know, recently
returned from a trip to North Vietnam.
957
01:02:17,222 --> 01:02:18,848
Will you welcome, please,
Jane Fonda.
958
01:02:22,222 --> 01:02:24,681
You really got pasted this time
by the press and others
959
01:02:24,764 --> 01:02:27,681
when you came back,
as you obviously know.
960
01:02:27,764 --> 01:02:29,972
Would you have done
anything differently
961
01:02:30,055 --> 01:02:32,014
if you had it to do
over again?
962
01:02:35,431 --> 01:02:37,514
It's a surreal
thing to live through...
963
01:02:37,598 --> 01:02:41,764
what I experienced in the two weeks
that I was in North Vietnam.
964
01:02:43,764 --> 01:02:46,055
Flying from Nam Pen
to Hanoi,
965
01:02:46,139 --> 01:02:48,472
I look out the window,
and I can see
966
01:02:48,556 --> 01:02:50,848
American planes bombing.
967
01:02:51,764 --> 01:02:53,556
Nixon was bringing
ground troops home,
968
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:55,598
and he was saying
that he was ending the war,
969
01:02:55,681 --> 01:02:57,264
when, in fact,
it wasn't ending.
970
01:02:57,347 --> 01:03:00,347
It was escalating in terms
of bombing of North Vietnam.
971
01:03:16,681 --> 01:03:20,264
We began to get communiqués
saying, this is really serious.
972
01:03:20,347 --> 01:03:24,055
It looks like American planes
are targeting
973
01:03:24,139 --> 01:03:27,556
the dikes of North Vietnam
right before the monsoon season.
974
01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:31,055
If the dikes are weakened
and give way,
975
01:03:31,139 --> 01:03:34,681
a million people could drown
or die from starvation.
976
01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:40,222
I'm always interested, first, in the mechanics
of how somebody gets to North Vietnam.
977
01:03:40,306 --> 01:03:43,806
A lot of people say, well, you
know, "How come you got to go,
978
01:03:43,889 --> 01:03:47,556
and how do you feel that you have
a right to speak about the war?"
979
01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:49,972
And I have no more right
than anyone else, you know?
980
01:03:50,055 --> 01:03:53,889
Two years ago, I didn't even
know where Vietnam was.
981
01:03:53,972 --> 01:04:00,055
Why on earth would she conceive
of the idea of going alone...
982
01:04:00,139 --> 01:04:02,264
to Hanoi?
983
01:04:02,347 --> 01:04:04,639
Would she have gone to Berlin
984
01:04:04,723 --> 01:04:08,556
during the middle
of the Anschluss?
985
01:04:10,014 --> 01:04:14,848
She was, maybe, as some would say,
searching for something in herself,
986
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:17,972
testing herself.
"How brave am I?
987
01:04:18,055 --> 01:04:21,806
Am I not just a flibbertigibbet
on the screen?"
988
01:04:21,889 --> 01:04:24,972
We might need psychiatry to help
us with the answer to this.
989
01:04:25,055 --> 01:04:27,306
I'm not sure.
990
01:04:27,389 --> 01:04:31,764
It's either brave or foolish,
and I think it partook of both.
991
01:05:05,764 --> 01:05:08,389
Were you
trying to get the soldiers
992
01:05:08,472 --> 01:05:10,681
to disobey
their orders?
993
01:05:10,764 --> 01:05:12,431
No, I-I...
994
01:05:13,431 --> 01:05:16,514
I knew that you cannot
ask a soldier to disobey orders.
995
01:05:16,598 --> 01:05:18,514
You're not the one that pays
the consequences.
996
01:05:18,598 --> 01:05:20,848
Well, you said,
this is direct quotes,
997
01:05:20,930 --> 01:05:23,180
"I beg you to consider
what you are doing.
998
01:05:23,264 --> 01:05:27,306
"The hospitals are filled with
babies and women and old people.
999
01:05:27,389 --> 01:05:29,681
Can you justify
what you are doing?"
1000
01:05:29,764 --> 01:05:34,598
Doesn't that sound like you're asking
them to stop what they're doing?
1001
01:05:36,014 --> 01:05:38,556
I'm asking them to consider it.
1002
01:05:41,472 --> 01:05:42,639
And then, in your
trip, you were photographed
1003
01:05:42,723 --> 01:05:46,598
behind an aerial gun
of the, uh, North Vietnamese,
1004
01:05:46,681 --> 01:05:50,723
if not the Vietcong, I'm not sure.
That seemed a bit tactless.
1005
01:05:50,806 --> 01:05:53,889
What were you doing
behind an enemy gun?
1006
01:05:53,972 --> 01:05:57,222
I didn't think, at the time, about
how it would be, uh, received.
1007
01:05:57,306 --> 01:06:00,972
And I can understand why people
were very confused by that.
1008
01:06:01,598 --> 01:06:05,222
The soldiers received me there
and sang me a song.
1009
01:06:05,306 --> 01:06:08,222
It was very moving to me because they
were expressing the same sentiments
1010
01:06:08,306 --> 01:06:10,556
that American GIs
expressed to me.
1011
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:12,681
And I was applauding
their song
1012
01:06:12,764 --> 01:06:15,764
and this was what was shown
on American television.
1013
01:06:15,848 --> 01:06:17,139
Yeah, yeah.
1014
01:06:17,222 --> 01:06:19,514
Well, I wondered
how you got there.
1015
01:06:21,681 --> 01:06:24,472
I'm... I'm naive
and I make mistakes, but...
1016
01:06:24,556 --> 01:06:28,222
it was my fault
that I sat there.
1017
01:06:29,514 --> 01:06:32,431
The image of Jane Fonda,
1018
01:06:32,514 --> 01:06:33,972
Barbarella,
1019
01:06:34,055 --> 01:06:35,930
Henry Fonda's daughter
1020
01:06:36,014 --> 01:06:41,139
sitting on an enemy aircraft gun
was a betrayal.
1021
01:06:41,222 --> 01:06:44,139
It was like I was thumbing
my nose at the military
1022
01:06:44,222 --> 01:06:46,139
and at... at the country
1023
01:06:46,222 --> 01:06:48,764
that gave me privilege.
1024
01:06:51,347 --> 01:06:55,014
As I've said many times, I will
go to my grave regretting that.
1025
01:06:59,723 --> 01:07:02,097
I wasn't there. I
might have stopped it.
1026
01:07:02,180 --> 01:07:05,639
I would not have advised it,
but you can't stop the media.
1027
01:07:05,723 --> 01:07:10,014
And so you took this picture
and of course it went viral.
1028
01:07:11,055 --> 01:07:16,097
I thought it was a problem
of the celebrity spotlight,
1029
01:07:16,180 --> 01:07:20,472
when you're used by the media,
and blown up by the media,
1030
01:07:20,556 --> 01:07:23,598
you will make a mistake
in the media.
1031
01:07:28,681 --> 01:07:30,930
The Justice Department
said it is attempting to determine
1032
01:07:31,014 --> 01:07:32,347
whether Ms. Fonda
had violated
1033
01:07:32,431 --> 01:07:34,681
sedition, treason
or other statutes.
1034
01:07:34,764 --> 01:07:37,806
Distrust
movie actors with causes.
1035
01:07:37,889 --> 01:07:41,306
They live in so rarefied
an atmosphere of celebrity
1036
01:07:41,389 --> 01:07:45,639
that they have no conception of the
ambiguity of right and wrong in real life.
1037
01:07:48,723 --> 01:07:52,472
They needed
a very visible person
1038
01:07:52,556 --> 01:07:54,848
who represented
the peace movement
1039
01:07:54,930 --> 01:07:58,180
to do something
really terrible,
1040
01:07:58,264 --> 01:08:00,681
and that was me.
1041
01:08:13,389 --> 01:08:15,972
The petition we're circulating
asks the Justice Department
1042
01:08:16,055 --> 01:08:19,347
to prosecute Jane Fonda to the
fullest extent of the law
1043
01:08:19,431 --> 01:08:22,055
for giving aid and comfort
to the enemy.
1044
01:08:22,139 --> 01:08:24,097
Jane Fonda's
an outrageous liar.
1045
01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:26,222
She's a hypocrite and a liar.
1046
01:08:26,306 --> 01:08:28,764
She's the most despicable
woman in the United States.
1047
01:08:28,848 --> 01:08:30,889
There are other people in
films, too, that we don't ask
1048
01:08:30,972 --> 01:08:33,055
for advice, such as
Mickey Mouse or Lassie.
1049
01:08:33,139 --> 01:08:35,347
I don't think she should've
done the things that she's done
1050
01:08:35,431 --> 01:08:37,889
and said about our country and come
back and lived in the country.
1051
01:08:37,972 --> 01:08:40,848
I don't care
if she's a tender, young female,
1052
01:08:40,930 --> 01:08:44,014
a famous movie star,
that is treason.
1053
01:08:44,097 --> 01:08:45,889
It's under active investigation.
1054
01:08:45,972 --> 01:08:48,431
They have not yet made
a decision as to whether
1055
01:08:48,514 --> 01:08:50,264
to prosecute or not prosecute.
1056
01:08:50,347 --> 01:08:52,389
And of course,
they found nothing,
1057
01:08:52,472 --> 01:08:55,389
so the charges of treason
have been dropped.
1058
01:08:55,472 --> 01:08:59,723
And they don't understand that I... I
came back here because I love America.
1059
01:08:59,806 --> 01:09:02,514
The democratic ideals upon
which our country is founded
1060
01:09:02,598 --> 01:09:04,681
is... are being betrayed.
1061
01:09:05,556 --> 01:09:07,972
- We have an obligation to resist this.
- I'm sorry, Jane.
1062
01:09:08,055 --> 01:09:11,681
I'm disturbed by your difference
between your content and your style.
1063
01:09:12,639 --> 01:09:15,930
I've always liked
Jane, and I always admired
1064
01:09:16,014 --> 01:09:17,764
her guts,
but I worried about her.
1065
01:09:17,848 --> 01:09:23,472
She was, to use the mildest
possible word, hated.
1066
01:09:24,681 --> 01:09:27,431
I mean, you had people
in legislatures arguing
1067
01:09:27,514 --> 01:09:30,639
that she should have her tongue cut out
and that she should be hung and so on.
1068
01:09:30,723 --> 01:09:34,264
I think, also, part of it was
that she was very effective.
1069
01:09:34,347 --> 01:09:38,055
So, she had to be quickly stereotyped
and... and gotten rid of.
1070
01:09:41,180 --> 01:09:44,930
It was McCarthyism
recycled under Nixon,
1071
01:09:45,014 --> 01:09:47,848
and they just tried to smear
her reputation over and over.
1072
01:09:47,930 --> 01:09:50,347
They would have killed her
if they could.
1073
01:09:52,097 --> 01:09:56,014
Nixon, of course, had already
advocated bombing the dikes.
1074
01:09:56,097 --> 01:09:58,180
One reason he did not
1075
01:09:58,264 --> 01:10:01,972
is that Jane Fonda was brave
enough to stand on those dikes
1076
01:10:02,055 --> 01:10:04,681
and denounce
what would happen
1077
01:10:04,764 --> 01:10:09,306
to hundred of thousands of
peasants if the dikes were bombed.
1078
01:10:09,389 --> 01:10:12,514
She was willing to be
attacked over that.
1079
01:10:13,264 --> 01:10:15,306
I consider
Jane Fonda one of the...
1080
01:10:15,389 --> 01:10:18,639
the most courageous women of our time,
probably the most courageous...
1081
01:10:18,723 --> 01:10:21,972
--...she made a
conversion from a life that was so sterile
1082
01:10:22,055 --> 01:10:25,014
and easy to live
into a life that's filled
1083
01:10:25,097 --> 01:10:29,222
with harassment and ridicule
and requires real courage.
1084
01:10:30,764 --> 01:10:34,139
I'm proud of
most of what I did,
1085
01:10:34,222 --> 01:10:37,681
and I'm very sorry
for some of what I did.
1086
01:10:42,889 --> 01:10:47,389
In Hanoi, I had met a number
of POWs, and we talked,
1087
01:10:47,472 --> 01:10:51,472
about the World Series, primarily,
and about some of their experiences.
1088
01:10:53,598 --> 01:10:55,723
But when the POWs
came home,
1089
01:10:55,806 --> 01:11:00,306
certain POWs were handpicked
to travel around the country
1090
01:11:00,389 --> 01:11:02,972
talking about torture.
1091
01:11:03,055 --> 01:11:05,723
If Ms. Fonda thinks
for a minute
1092
01:11:05,806 --> 01:11:10,014
that any of the people that she
saw were able to speak freely,
1093
01:11:10,097 --> 01:11:11,930
she's got
another thing coming.
1094
01:11:12,014 --> 01:11:14,723
I think coerced
is a very mild word.
1095
01:11:14,806 --> 01:11:17,514
I'd use the word tortured,
initially.
1096
01:11:17,598 --> 01:11:19,764
I think they're lying, and I think
they're not only going to have to live
1097
01:11:19,848 --> 01:11:23,389
with the fact that they were
carrying out acts of murder
1098
01:11:23,472 --> 01:11:26,889
for the rest of their lives, they're
also going to have to live with the fact
1099
01:11:26,972 --> 01:11:28,764
that they're lying
on their consciousness...
1100
01:11:28,848 --> 01:11:32,014
Torture of POWs had ended
1101
01:11:32,097 --> 01:11:35,306
in North Vietnam in 1969.
1102
01:11:35,639 --> 01:11:38,097
Three years before I went there.
1103
01:11:38,180 --> 01:11:39,764
This court finds you guilty
1104
01:11:39,848 --> 01:11:42,556
of the crime of high treason
against the United States.
1105
01:11:44,514 --> 01:11:47,848
Jane gave as good as she
got when she was... attacked.
1106
01:11:48,681 --> 01:11:52,431
But Jane had a way of making
things worse for herself.
1107
01:11:52,514 --> 01:11:54,431
Never before
in the history of warfare
1108
01:11:54,514 --> 01:11:57,431
have prisoners of war come back
looking like football players.
1109
01:11:57,514 --> 01:12:01,055
Never in the history of war have
men come back and been able
1110
01:12:01,139 --> 01:12:03,598
to come off planes, saluting
smartly and hug their wives.
1111
01:12:03,681 --> 01:12:05,431
And we should try to help
each other understand
1112
01:12:05,514 --> 01:12:07,889
why these men
are being used this way.
1113
01:12:07,972 --> 01:12:11,097
Not do ourselves and them the
disservice of making them into heroes.
1114
01:12:11,180 --> 01:12:14,431
Why not the legless and armless
vets who have come back to welfare?
1115
01:12:14,514 --> 01:12:17,764
Why not all those men who died
over there on the ground...
1116
01:12:19,972 --> 01:12:21,431
Why aren't they heroes?
1117
01:12:21,514 --> 01:12:23,097
You're a gutless
little traitor!
1118
01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:35,806
I was so angry that Nixon
1119
01:12:35,889 --> 01:12:39,806
used freeing the POWS
and bringing them home
1120
01:12:39,889 --> 01:12:41,639
as a justification
1121
01:12:41,723 --> 01:12:45,723
for continuing the war and
carpet-bombing North Vietnam.
1122
01:12:46,681 --> 01:12:50,472
I have no idea what it
must be like to be a POW.
1123
01:12:50,556 --> 01:12:54,431
I do know that they were used
by the government.
1124
01:12:57,889 --> 01:13:03,097
It was a very...
tumultuous and polarized time.
1125
01:13:04,180 --> 01:13:06,764
There was a lot of
anger and blame,
1126
01:13:06,848 --> 01:13:11,139
and for myself, I really,
I didn't know
1127
01:13:11,222 --> 01:13:16,972
always how to channel
my anger in constructive ways.
1128
01:13:18,431 --> 01:13:22,347
I killed a lot of people, and I
live with a lot of nightmares!
1129
01:13:22,431 --> 01:13:26,514
And then I got shot
in this country's war.
1130
01:13:26,598 --> 01:13:28,514
I heard Ron Kovic speak
1131
01:13:28,598 --> 01:13:31,598
at a very big rally
of a couple thousand people.
1132
01:13:32,639 --> 01:13:35,723
He was paralyzed
during the Vietnam War,
1133
01:13:35,806 --> 01:13:38,514
and he became an activist
with the GI Movement.
1134
01:13:38,598 --> 01:13:43,014
He said, "I've lost my body,
yeah, but I've gained my mind."
1135
01:13:43,097 --> 01:13:46,306
And I thought, I could
build a movie around that.
1136
01:13:52,431 --> 01:13:54,014
You're a mess.
1137
01:13:57,639 --> 01:13:59,723
Were you wounded in 'Nam?
1138
01:13:59,806 --> 01:14:01,222
Right.
1139
01:14:01,306 --> 01:14:04,014
When did it happen?
1140
01:14:05,848 --> 01:14:08,681
A long time ago.
1141
01:14:10,347 --> 01:14:12,264
My husband
just went over there.
1142
01:14:12,347 --> 01:14:14,222
Poor bastard.
1143
01:14:18,347 --> 01:14:22,055
The studios didn't want
to make a film about the war.
1144
01:14:22,139 --> 01:14:26,514
It took six years until
we finally could get it made.
1145
01:14:27,472 --> 01:14:33,180
I had been working with returned
veterans from Vietnam for several years.
1146
01:14:36,264 --> 01:14:38,431
It was a story
about coming home
1147
01:14:38,514 --> 01:14:41,139
after being through
what they had been through.
1148
01:14:41,222 --> 01:14:44,723
If it's over with us,
it's over!
1149
01:14:46,014 --> 01:14:48,222
Well, what are you saying? That you're
not even gonna make the effort?
1150
01:14:48,306 --> 01:14:50,972
What I'm saying is...
1151
01:14:51,055 --> 01:14:53,598
-I don't belong in this house!
-Please...
1152
01:14:53,681 --> 01:14:56,180
And they're saying
that I don't belong over there!
1153
01:14:58,180 --> 01:15:00,389
You know, you wanna
be a part of it and patriotic,
1154
01:15:00,472 --> 01:15:02,055
and go out and...
1155
01:15:02,139 --> 01:15:06,556
get your licks in
at the US of A, and...
1156
01:15:08,972 --> 01:15:12,930
and... when you get over there,
1157
01:15:13,014 --> 01:15:15,556
it's a totally
different situation.
1158
01:15:16,681 --> 01:15:18,055
I mean...
1159
01:15:20,264 --> 01:15:22,180
...you grow up real quick,
1160
01:15:23,389 --> 01:15:25,972
because all you're
seeing is, um,
1161
01:15:26,055 --> 01:15:27,930
a lot of death.
1162
01:15:31,055 --> 01:15:33,472
There were soldiers
who came back feeling
1163
01:15:33,556 --> 01:15:35,556
that they should
never have gone.
1164
01:15:38,598 --> 01:15:40,139
There were also men,
1165
01:15:40,222 --> 01:15:42,306
even though they
were physically damaged,
1166
01:15:42,389 --> 01:15:46,639
who came back
still staunch believers.
1167
01:15:50,222 --> 01:15:51,472
I feel...
1168
01:15:51,556 --> 01:15:54,347
just as compassionate
for them as I do
1169
01:15:54,431 --> 01:15:55,972
for the other soldiers.
1170
01:16:04,097 --> 01:16:06,930
To men who were,
in Vietnam, who...
1171
01:16:09,806 --> 01:16:11,848
who I hurt
1172
01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:14,889
or whose pain I caused to...
1173
01:16:14,972 --> 01:16:18,848
to deepen because of things
that I said or I did, uh...
1174
01:16:18,930 --> 01:16:22,222
I-I feel that I owe them
an apology.
1175
01:16:24,472 --> 01:16:27,723
My intentions were never to hurt
them or make their situation worse.
1176
01:16:27,806 --> 01:16:29,472
It was... It was the contrary.
1177
01:16:29,556 --> 01:16:32,598
I was trying to help
end the killing, end the war.
1178
01:16:35,639 --> 01:16:38,014
But there were times when I was
thoughtless and careless about it,
1179
01:16:38,097 --> 01:16:41,972
and I'm... and I am...
very sorry that I hurt them,
1180
01:16:42,055 --> 01:16:45,472
and I want to apologize to them
and to their families.
1181
01:16:56,639 --> 01:16:59,222
During the time that
it took to make Coming Home,
1182
01:16:59,306 --> 01:17:01,472
I was making other movies.
1183
01:17:02,306 --> 01:17:04,930
But a lot of that time,
I was on the road with Tom.
1184
01:17:09,097 --> 01:17:13,556
Tom said, "We have to
go to the grassroots.
1185
01:17:13,639 --> 01:17:17,556
"We have to speak
to the silent majority.
1186
01:17:17,639 --> 01:17:19,723
"Let's do a 60-city tour,
1187
01:17:19,806 --> 01:17:23,848
over three months,
across the United States."
1188
01:17:23,930 --> 01:17:27,639
And within weeks, we created
the Indochina Peace Campaign.
1189
01:17:31,972 --> 01:17:35,139
We would sleep in people's
houses, you know, waterbeds.
1190
01:17:35,222 --> 01:17:38,431
Sometimes, we were both sq...
in a twin bed.
1191
01:17:38,514 --> 01:17:42,930
And it was in a motor home,
driving toward Buffalo,
1192
01:17:43,014 --> 01:17:47,514
when I became impregnated
with Troy.
1193
01:17:49,014 --> 01:17:52,972
I remember we called Tom's mother,
Jean, who lived in Detroit,
1194
01:17:53,055 --> 01:17:56,180
and she said, "You know, you're
gonna have to get married."
1195
01:17:57,347 --> 01:17:59,556
We thought that was bourgeois.
1196
01:17:59,639 --> 01:18:02,930
And she said, "You know, what are you gonna
do when you go on The Johnny Carson Show
1197
01:18:03,014 --> 01:18:06,139
"and you wanna talk about Vietnam,
and they wanna talk about
1198
01:18:06,222 --> 01:18:10,180
"how come you're having a kid and you're
not married," and that made sense.
1199
01:18:10,264 --> 01:18:13,431
I really wanted to get
married, to tell you the truth.
1200
01:18:13,514 --> 01:18:16,681
We got a gay
Episcopal priest,
1201
01:18:16,764 --> 01:18:21,472
who I think was thrown out of the
order for having married us,
1202
01:18:21,556 --> 01:18:24,347
and, uh, life went on.
1203
01:18:29,556 --> 01:18:31,972
With Troy,
we didn't want him to have
1204
01:18:32,055 --> 01:18:35,180
his father's name just
automatically, or Fonda.
1205
01:18:35,264 --> 01:18:38,514
You know, we wanted him to have a name
that didn't have so much baggage.
1206
01:18:38,598 --> 01:18:43,389
So we named him
Troy O'Donovan Garity.
1207
01:18:45,055 --> 01:18:48,306
My parents made
a conscious decision to...
1208
01:18:48,389 --> 01:18:52,972
try to live as...
normally as possible.
1209
01:18:54,264 --> 01:18:57,639
I know that that sounds insane
because they are abnormal.
1210
01:18:57,723 --> 01:19:00,723
--Ah! The winner is
Jane Fonda in Coming Home !
1211
01:19:03,806 --> 01:19:07,347
We went to the
Oscars in a station wagon.
1212
01:19:07,431 --> 01:19:10,180
My father wore like a...
the ugliest suit in the world.
1213
01:19:10,264 --> 01:19:14,639
I wore a T-shirt with a
hand-screened tuxedo thing on it.
1214
01:19:16,306 --> 01:19:19,472
It wasn't
a normal family unit.
1215
01:19:19,556 --> 01:19:23,681
Like we weren't, you know,
vacationing in tropical paradises.
1216
01:19:23,764 --> 01:19:26,639
You know, we holidayed
in conflict zones.
1217
01:19:27,972 --> 01:19:30,014
I was potty-trained
1218
01:19:30,097 --> 01:19:31,972
in a Vietnam bomb shelter.
1219
01:19:33,306 --> 01:19:35,139
I just got dragged with them.
1220
01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:41,389
Being in an IRA, you know,
stronghold in Belfast,
1221
01:19:41,472 --> 01:19:44,556
and a boy comes in
with his thumb blown off,
1222
01:19:44,639 --> 01:19:48,723
and my father dips the rag in his blood
and's like, "This is your blood.
1223
01:19:48,806 --> 01:19:51,556
This is your fucking blood.
This is your people."
1224
01:19:51,639 --> 01:19:53,055
I'm five.
1225
01:19:54,930 --> 01:19:57,180
My first 13 birthday parties
were fundraisers.
1226
01:19:57,264 --> 01:20:01,264
Anything that represented,
like, wealth or establishment
1227
01:20:01,347 --> 01:20:04,389
was looked on with
a lot of skepticism.
1228
01:20:04,472 --> 01:20:06,889
"If my coworker
can't have a pool,
1229
01:20:06,972 --> 01:20:08,889
"then I'm not having
a fucking pool.
1230
01:20:08,972 --> 01:20:12,514
I'd rather take that money give it
to the United Farm Workers Fund."
1231
01:20:14,389 --> 01:20:17,556
You know, the house I was raised in,
there was another family living...
1232
01:20:17,639 --> 01:20:19,306
in the house with us.
1233
01:20:19,389 --> 01:20:22,306
Uh, at times, we had organizers
sleeping on the porch.
1234
01:20:22,389 --> 01:20:24,598
There was a homeless person
that slept under the house.
1235
01:20:24,681 --> 01:20:27,723
I would come home sometimes
and he would be dressed in...
1236
01:20:27,806 --> 01:20:29,930
in my parents' clothes. Yeah.
1237
01:20:30,014 --> 01:20:32,972
They were one house
right next to the other.
1238
01:20:33,055 --> 01:20:37,514
Nightwatchman on one side and a
Marxist writer on the other.
1239
01:20:38,389 --> 01:20:42,347
And we lived in this house that was...
my dad called it a shack.
1240
01:20:43,347 --> 01:20:45,764
We had furniture
from Salvation Army.
1241
01:20:45,848 --> 01:20:49,014
We had no dishwasher,
we had no washing machine.
1242
01:20:50,014 --> 01:20:52,139
It was...
1243
01:20:53,389 --> 01:20:56,764
I was very happy,
and I was very proud of myself.
1244
01:21:00,055 --> 01:21:03,598
I wanted to show Tom
that I could do it.
1245
01:21:03,681 --> 01:21:07,389
I didn't want him to think
that I was... spoiled.
1246
01:21:08,723 --> 01:21:10,972
We were intensely in love,
1247
01:21:11,055 --> 01:21:13,848
pursuing common life goals.
1248
01:21:14,764 --> 01:21:19,389
The neighborhood was swollen
with activists, of all kinds.
1249
01:21:20,723 --> 01:21:25,806
It was a really, tiny,
little version of... of a commune.
1250
01:21:25,889 --> 01:21:27,639
I would be invited
all the time to come
1251
01:21:27,723 --> 01:21:29,514
for dinner
and there was no dinner.
1252
01:21:29,598 --> 01:21:32,514
And I was like, "I don't understand,
what happened to dinner?"
1253
01:21:32,598 --> 01:21:35,222
It was espresso.
Jane's not a cook.
1254
01:21:36,764 --> 01:21:39,347
We would get in our
little Volkswagen Bug,
1255
01:21:39,431 --> 01:21:41,556
and go to the local
pizzeria and...
1256
01:21:42,431 --> 01:21:44,681
it was wonderful.
1257
01:21:44,764 --> 01:21:46,681
But when you combine
1258
01:21:46,764 --> 01:21:49,014
the fever of celebrity
1259
01:21:49,097 --> 01:21:52,014
with the furor of...
1260
01:21:52,097 --> 01:21:55,514
anti-war, um, activities,
1261
01:21:55,598 --> 01:22:00,389
um, there was a lot of heat
around our home.
1262
01:22:03,097 --> 01:22:06,055
I will never forget
the day that we came home,
1263
01:22:06,139 --> 01:22:07,889
there wasn't a drawer
in the house
1264
01:22:07,972 --> 01:22:10,055
that wasn't pulled
out and turned over.
1265
01:22:10,139 --> 01:22:12,639
Everything was torn
out of the closets.
1266
01:22:12,723 --> 01:22:14,681
Papers were rifled,
desks were open.
1267
01:22:14,764 --> 01:22:17,222
I mean, someone had gone
through our house.
1268
01:22:17,306 --> 01:22:21,389
And it was done so blatantly,
and mess...
1269
01:22:21,472 --> 01:22:25,431
I mean, I knew that it was...
to scare us.
1270
01:22:28,472 --> 01:22:31,930
I was aware
that I was being followed,
1271
01:22:32,014 --> 01:22:34,889
and there was very little
attempt to disguise it.
1272
01:22:34,972 --> 01:22:39,472
There would be these guys in trench
coats with dark glasses.
1273
01:22:41,514 --> 01:22:44,764
The FBI would follow
Vanessa to school.
1274
01:22:44,848 --> 01:22:48,055
The more I saw them
the more my attitude was,
1275
01:22:48,139 --> 01:22:49,889
"You think
I'm gonna back down?"
1276
01:22:49,972 --> 01:22:51,556
I mean, that's one thing,
you know,
1277
01:22:51,639 --> 01:22:53,514
every time people think
they're gonna scare me,
1278
01:22:53,598 --> 01:22:55,681
then that's the wrong way
to approach it.
1279
01:22:55,764 --> 01:22:57,723
Because, no.
1280
01:23:01,889 --> 01:23:07,180
I saw, with Tom, what it
meant to build a movement,
1281
01:23:08,139 --> 01:23:10,972
what organizing meant.
1282
01:23:13,139 --> 01:23:16,472
He realized that what needed
to be focused on
1283
01:23:16,556 --> 01:23:20,889
was moving power out of the hands of
the super rich and the corporations,
1284
01:23:20,972 --> 01:23:25,431
into the hands of people, the way
it should be in a democracy.
1285
01:23:25,514 --> 01:23:30,222
So, the Campaign for
Economic Democracy evolved.
1286
01:23:30,306 --> 01:23:35,306
We knew that we wanted to spread a
message throughout the country.
1287
01:23:36,514 --> 01:23:39,389
It was difficult because we
had to raise so much money,
1288
01:23:39,472 --> 01:23:42,055
and it was during
a recession.
1289
01:23:43,556 --> 01:23:47,639
So Tom and I talked about this and we
thought, "Well, let's start a business
1290
01:23:47,723 --> 01:23:49,972
that will fund the work."
1291
01:23:50,055 --> 01:23:53,472
We talked about...
"Maybe a restaurant."
1292
01:23:53,556 --> 01:23:56,139
That would have been a disaster.
1293
01:23:56,222 --> 01:23:59,764
Then we thought, "Maybe a car wash
that doesn't rip people off."
1294
01:23:59,848 --> 01:24:03,431
Well, that... You know,
I mean, we had no idea.
1295
01:24:04,431 --> 01:24:09,014
And then one day,
I suddenly thought...
1296
01:24:09,097 --> 01:24:10,930
"The Workout.
1297
01:24:11,014 --> 01:24:14,681
If there's one thing
I understand, it's working out."
1298
01:24:17,598 --> 01:24:19,972
One camera.
1299
01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:22,472
There were no teleprompters
or anything like that.
1300
01:24:22,556 --> 01:24:25,222
I wrote the script sitting
on a floor of a hotel room.
1301
01:24:25,306 --> 01:24:27,472
We did our own hair
and makeup.
1302
01:24:27,556 --> 01:24:30,055
I mean, it was
a spit and a prayer.
1303
01:24:30,139 --> 01:24:32,723
And the rest is history.
1304
01:24:35,930 --> 01:24:39,514
That video came out,
and almost overnight
1305
01:24:39,598 --> 01:24:43,055
became and remains the number
one home video of all-time.
1306
01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:46,389
Are you ready to do the workout?
1307
01:24:46,472 --> 01:24:50,180
And it was owned by the Campaign
for Economic Democracy.
1308
01:24:50,264 --> 01:24:52,681
The organization owned it,
not me,
1309
01:24:52,764 --> 01:24:55,055
and all the profits
went into the organization.
1310
01:24:55,139 --> 01:24:58,180
Right, two.
And back, two.
1311
01:24:58,264 --> 01:25:01,514
It sold 17 million copies.
1312
01:25:01,598 --> 01:25:04,723
A video industry developed,
because everyone wanted
1313
01:25:04,806 --> 01:25:08,431
to buy my video and use it
over and over and over.
1314
01:25:08,514 --> 01:25:11,389
I'm the first
non-engineer
1315
01:25:11,472 --> 01:25:14,723
to be inducted into
the Video Hall of Fame.
1316
01:25:14,806 --> 01:25:17,764
You know, they credited me
for building the video industry.
1317
01:25:18,972 --> 01:25:21,389
It was a pretty interesting
time for me
1318
01:25:21,472 --> 01:25:25,431
because people recognized me
in a whole different way.
1319
01:25:25,514 --> 01:25:30,306
Women would come up to me and say, you know,
"I don't need sleeping pills anymore."
1320
01:25:30,972 --> 01:25:36,347
Another one would talk about how she
felt different, she felt stronger.
1321
01:25:37,848 --> 01:25:41,055
It's funny, when I thought about
it, that was true for me.
1322
01:25:41,139 --> 01:25:45,014
You know, I had suffered from an
eating disorder for a long time.
1323
01:25:46,556 --> 01:25:49,723
Nobody knew. You know,
one of the things about bulimia
1324
01:25:49,806 --> 01:25:52,514
is that it's a...
it's a disease of denial.
1325
01:25:53,389 --> 01:25:55,764
You know, it takes
a lot of subterfuge.
1326
01:25:57,681 --> 01:26:01,097
You're very tired,
and you're very angry,
1327
01:26:01,180 --> 01:26:03,764
and you're very self-hating.
1328
01:26:03,848 --> 01:26:05,723
And I realized,
1329
01:26:05,806 --> 01:26:08,222
I'm heading into
a really dark place,
1330
01:26:08,306 --> 01:26:10,930
and I'm... I either am gonna
head to the light
1331
01:26:11,014 --> 01:26:13,055
or I'm gonna succumb
to the dark,
1332
01:26:13,139 --> 01:26:14,556
and it's a life or death thing.
1333
01:26:15,972 --> 01:26:18,139
I went cold turkey.
1334
01:26:18,222 --> 01:26:21,306
It was really, really hard.
1335
01:26:22,389 --> 01:26:26,055
There was something about taking
control of my body, in that way,
1336
01:26:26,139 --> 01:26:28,639
that got me
over the addiction.
1337
01:26:28,723 --> 01:26:30,930
It changed my perception
of myself.
1338
01:26:32,930 --> 01:26:35,806
I think it was
Thomas Jefferson who said,
1339
01:26:35,889 --> 01:26:39,514
"Revolution begins
in the muscles."
1340
01:26:41,723 --> 01:26:44,514
And it was
a revolution for me,
1341
01:26:44,598 --> 01:26:47,598
but it was
completely unintentional,
1342
01:26:47,681 --> 01:26:51,598
you know, I did the workout
to fund the organization.
1343
01:26:52,723 --> 01:26:55,055
It was for Tom.
1344
01:26:55,764 --> 01:26:59,306
They formed a
team around politics,
1345
01:26:59,389 --> 01:27:02,306
and around the children.
1346
01:27:02,389 --> 01:27:05,306
But she didn't have
as much confidence
1347
01:27:05,389 --> 01:27:08,347
as I think
she should've in those days,
1348
01:27:08,431 --> 01:27:14,598
And Tom is so compelling that
he's a hard force to argue with.
1349
01:27:15,972 --> 01:27:19,014
You know, here is a man who
was considered an intellectual,
1350
01:27:19,097 --> 01:27:21,806
he was considered
a star in the movement,
1351
01:27:21,889 --> 01:27:24,389
and he'd written... I don't remember
how many books he'd written.
1352
01:27:24,472 --> 01:27:28,639
And then I write
Jane Fonda's Workout Book,
1353
01:27:28,723 --> 01:27:32,514
and it becomes the number one on
the New York Times for two years.
1354
01:27:32,598 --> 01:27:37,180
Two solid years.
1355
01:27:37,264 --> 01:27:40,180
The Workout Book ?
1356
01:27:40,264 --> 01:27:43,889
I mean, if I was him, I would have
had a certain degree of resentment.
1357
01:27:45,598 --> 01:27:49,347
He thought
I was superficial.
1358
01:27:49,431 --> 01:27:52,431
That I wasn't smart enough.
1359
01:27:53,598 --> 01:27:56,097
But I was producing
my own movies,
1360
01:27:56,180 --> 01:28:00,723
the kind of movies that say the
things that I think need saying.
1361
01:28:00,806 --> 01:28:02,431
Hello, this is Kimberly Wells,
1362
01:28:02,514 --> 01:28:04,764
and I'm here at the Ventana
Nuclear Power Plant,
1363
01:28:04,848 --> 01:28:07,556
owned and operated by
California Gas & Electric.
1364
01:28:07,639 --> 01:28:09,556
China Syndrome was the story
1365
01:28:09,639 --> 01:28:12,222
of a cover-up
at a nuclear power plant.
1366
01:28:16,472 --> 01:28:18,889
This is Jack Godell.
We have a serious condition.
1367
01:28:18,972 --> 01:28:22,681
You get everybody into safety areas
and make sure that they stay there.
1368
01:28:23,472 --> 01:28:25,723
Radiation in containment!
1369
01:28:25,806 --> 01:28:28,431
We were
very much attacked for,
1370
01:28:28,514 --> 01:28:30,556
for making it, the movie.
1371
01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:34,222
But then, the movie came out and two
weeks later, Three Mile Island happened.
1372
01:28:34,306 --> 01:28:36,806
All pregnant
women and preschool children
1373
01:28:36,889 --> 01:28:40,264
should evacuate
out of a five-mile radius...
1374
01:28:40,347 --> 01:28:43,139
The China Syndrome has
given Jane Fonda a new standing
1375
01:28:43,222 --> 01:28:44,598
in American society.
1376
01:28:44,681 --> 01:28:46,764
She's now a heroine
in her own right.
1377
01:28:46,848 --> 01:28:49,639
She's the Cassandra
of the Nuclear Holocaust.
1378
01:28:50,389 --> 01:28:53,306
It's shocking that
people from this area
1379
01:28:53,389 --> 01:28:55,264
had to go to see
The China Syndrome
1380
01:28:55,347 --> 01:28:57,972
in order to try to understand
what was happening to them.
1381
01:28:58,723 --> 01:29:03,723
Jane has always had an impulse
to go right for the heart of things.
1382
01:29:03,806 --> 01:29:07,764
We were aligned in the same way
that things were not right.
1383
01:29:07,848 --> 01:29:11,723
The question was
how we were gonna go about it,
1384
01:29:11,806 --> 01:29:14,347
and I felt, if I spoke out,
1385
01:29:14,431 --> 01:29:16,431
that there would be
a lot of resentment.
1386
01:29:18,306 --> 01:29:20,306
That didn't mean you couldn't do it that
way, and that's the choice that Jane made.
1387
01:29:20,389 --> 01:29:22,972
And it had a lot of strength
and a lot of power to it.
1388
01:29:23,055 --> 01:29:25,806
She made a lot of enemies,
but that's gonna happen
1389
01:29:25,889 --> 01:29:29,014
when you step up and speak
on the national stage.
1390
01:29:30,848 --> 01:29:34,972
What I admire about her is that she
did it and she didn't look back,
1391
01:29:35,055 --> 01:29:37,347
she didn't change her tone
or her voice.
1392
01:29:37,431 --> 01:29:39,472
She said,
"This is what I believe,
1393
01:29:39,556 --> 01:29:41,598
"this is what I feel, and this
is what I'm gonna say."
1394
01:29:49,264 --> 01:29:51,472
Forty million
women work in offices,
1395
01:29:51,556 --> 01:29:54,472
and for the first time in history,
they're beginning to organize,
1396
01:29:54,556 --> 01:30:00,014
they're beginning to say, "We deserve respect,
we deserve equal pay for equal work."
1397
01:30:03,598 --> 01:30:05,723
Jane is always looking for
1398
01:30:05,806 --> 01:30:09,639
what's the most important
current issue to deal with,
1399
01:30:09,723 --> 01:30:12,514
and 9 to 5 was her invention.
1400
01:30:12,598 --> 01:30:15,848
She decided to do a movie
about the 9-to-5 women.
1401
01:30:15,930 --> 01:30:19,514
Well, look, couldn't we just all
get together and... and complain?
1402
01:30:19,598 --> 01:30:21,139
Complain to who?
1403
01:30:21,222 --> 01:30:23,972
Let's face it, we are
in a pink-collared ghetto.
1404
01:30:24,055 --> 01:30:25,848
Let's have another drink.
1405
01:30:25,930 --> 01:30:28,389
We all knew we were doing
something that was important
1406
01:30:28,472 --> 01:30:30,889
for women office workers,
1407
01:30:30,972 --> 01:30:32,389
because we dealt with
all the issues:
1408
01:30:32,472 --> 01:30:34,848
sexual harassment,
unequal pay...
1409
01:30:37,306 --> 01:30:39,014
...the importance
of flex hours,
1410
01:30:39,097 --> 01:30:42,055
the importance of childcare,
all these things.
1411
01:30:45,514 --> 01:30:48,014
My mom was using film
1412
01:30:48,097 --> 01:30:53,514
as a platform to
try to affect change.
1413
01:30:55,514 --> 01:30:57,556
My parents
were really doing it.
1414
01:30:57,639 --> 01:30:59,889
They were
boots-on-the-ground,
1415
01:30:59,972 --> 01:31:03,097
dedicated mission,
"We're going forward."
1416
01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:06,014
That's where their
heads were at.
1417
01:31:06,097 --> 01:31:09,222
My parents walked the walk,
for sure.
1418
01:31:19,014 --> 01:31:24,055
They bought these hundred acres on top
of this mountain in Santa Barbara
1419
01:31:24,139 --> 01:31:27,264
and started a summer camp.
1420
01:31:27,347 --> 01:31:29,930
I mean,
it was every walk of life.
1421
01:31:30,014 --> 01:31:33,806
Children of farm workers, the
children of the heads of studios,
1422
01:31:33,889 --> 01:31:36,639
the children
of Black Panthers.
1423
01:31:38,723 --> 01:31:41,264
Laurel Springs
was really a fantasy
1424
01:31:41,347 --> 01:31:44,055
that they, together,
made a reality.
1425
01:31:44,139 --> 01:31:46,472
If you're a true
movement person,
1426
01:31:46,556 --> 01:31:50,097
you understand about
passing it along,
1427
01:31:50,180 --> 01:31:55,097
and watering the fields,
and making the seeds grow.
1428
01:31:55,180 --> 01:31:57,930
We were all on
this mountaintop together
1429
01:31:58,014 --> 01:32:00,598
and we were forced to coexist.
1430
01:32:00,681 --> 01:32:04,514
And it was at Laurel Springs
that I met Lulu.
1431
01:32:07,514 --> 01:32:11,972
Lulu, when she first came
to camp, she was maybe 12.
1432
01:32:12,055 --> 01:32:15,639
And she was... giggly,
and bright, and...
1433
01:32:15,723 --> 01:32:20,014
funny, with this wonderful laugh
and everyone just adored her.
1434
01:32:20,097 --> 01:32:24,264
She came two summers,
and then she disappeared.
1435
01:32:25,848 --> 01:32:29,889
And when she came back,
she was a different person.
1436
01:32:31,055 --> 01:32:36,139
She had been sexually abused
repeatedly by an acting coach.
1437
01:32:36,222 --> 01:32:38,472
She was shut down.
1438
01:32:38,556 --> 01:32:43,055
Her life was dysfunctional,
disorganized.
1439
01:32:43,139 --> 01:32:46,889
Her parents had been Black Panthers.
Her father was in jail.
1440
01:32:46,972 --> 01:32:49,972
She was failing in school.
1441
01:32:50,055 --> 01:32:55,222
It was like the flame had gotten real tiny,
but it was still there, you could see.
1442
01:32:55,306 --> 01:32:58,681
And I said, "I'll tell you
what, Lulu,
1443
01:32:58,764 --> 01:33:02,972
"if you bring your
grades up to a B,
1444
01:33:03,055 --> 01:33:07,389
"I'll bring you to Los Angeles,
to Santa Monica, where we live,
1445
01:33:07,472 --> 01:33:13,139
"and... you can live with us
and go to school down there,
1446
01:33:13,222 --> 01:33:15,139
if your mother
lets that happen."
1447
01:33:15,222 --> 01:33:17,389
And that's
what happened.
1448
01:33:17,472 --> 01:33:19,347
She didn't even say, "I
want to adopt you or I want you to be
1449
01:33:19,431 --> 01:33:21,639
my daughter." It was just... it
just kinda evolved into that,
1450
01:33:21,723 --> 01:33:24,681
'cause it really just was
"I want to help this child."
1451
01:33:24,764 --> 01:33:28,889
So when I came, I just started living in
their house, and then it became, you know,
1452
01:33:28,972 --> 01:33:31,222
I was just another kid
in the house.
1453
01:33:35,514 --> 01:33:39,556
It all goes back
to my mother's childhood.
1454
01:33:39,639 --> 01:33:43,764
I think her light was
almost put out...
1455
01:33:43,848 --> 01:33:45,681
when she was a child.
1456
01:33:47,139 --> 01:33:53,222
So, I think she likes to find people who are
in danger of losing theirs, and re... and...
1457
01:33:53,306 --> 01:33:55,514
and rekindle it.
1458
01:33:58,264 --> 01:34:03,639
No, my mom was... not orphaned,
but pretty damn close.
1459
01:34:12,347 --> 01:34:15,764
I had always wanted
to do a movie with my dad,
1460
01:34:15,848 --> 01:34:20,055
and this play seemed like
a perfect thing.
1461
01:34:21,972 --> 01:34:23,889
She bought On
Golden Pond for them,
1462
01:34:23,972 --> 01:34:27,222
she produced it,
she made it for him,
1463
01:34:27,306 --> 01:34:33,180
to... have a deeper shared experience
with him, before they couldn't anymore.
1464
01:34:34,222 --> 01:34:38,264
It was about the
reconciliation of a hard dad,
1465
01:34:38,347 --> 01:34:41,097
and a emotional daughter.
1466
01:34:41,180 --> 01:34:46,222
It was more than a script, it was an
opportunity for love and reconciliation.
1467
01:34:52,014 --> 01:34:53,889
Hello, Norman.
1468
01:34:57,556 --> 01:35:00,139
-Oh, look at you.
-Happy birthday.
1469
01:35:00,222 --> 01:35:03,764
Look at this
little fat girl, Ethel.
1470
01:35:03,848 --> 01:35:05,639
Oh, Norman!
1471
01:35:05,723 --> 01:35:09,472
-You're as thin as a rail.
Isn't she? -Sure...
1472
01:35:09,556 --> 01:35:12,639
Katherine Hepburn and
my father played my parents,
1473
01:35:12,723 --> 01:35:16,306
and I was extremely
intimidated.
1474
01:35:16,389 --> 01:35:21,472
The parallels were very, very close
between the characters, and... and...
1475
01:35:21,556 --> 01:35:23,930
my father and I in real life.
1476
01:35:24,014 --> 01:35:26,972
But we never spoke of it.
1477
01:35:27,055 --> 01:35:31,514
We never spoke about anything
like that, ever.
1478
01:35:31,598 --> 01:35:35,639
There was a great deal
of invisible healing going on.
1479
01:35:35,723 --> 01:35:39,639
For Jane, it was
the ultimate catharsis.
1480
01:35:41,598 --> 01:35:45,139
In the movie, the main scene
between Chelsea and her father
1481
01:35:45,222 --> 01:35:50,347
was a scene that, whenever I would read
it and during every single rehearsal,
1482
01:35:50,431 --> 01:35:53,514
I would become
very, very, very emotional,
1483
01:35:53,598 --> 01:35:56,723
because it was
so very close to home.
1484
01:35:58,055 --> 01:36:00,764
I wanna talk to you. I, um...
1485
01:36:02,431 --> 01:36:04,972
I think that, um,
1486
01:36:05,055 --> 01:36:08,139
maybe you and I should have the kind of
relationship that we're supposed to have.
1487
01:36:09,097 --> 01:36:10,472
What kind of
a relationship is that?
1488
01:36:12,139 --> 01:36:15,431
Well, you know, like a...
like a father and a daughter.
1489
01:36:15,514 --> 01:36:18,723
Eh, just in the nick
of time, huh?
1490
01:36:18,806 --> 01:36:20,014
Worried about the will, are you?
1491
01:36:20,097 --> 01:36:21,055
Well, I'm leaving
everything to you,
1492
01:36:21,139 --> 01:36:22,556
except what I'm taking
with me.
1493
01:36:22,639 --> 01:36:25,514
Just stop it.
1494
01:36:25,598 --> 01:36:28,055
I don't want anything.
1495
01:36:28,139 --> 01:36:32,222
It just... it seems that you and me have
been mad at each other for so long.
1496
01:36:32,306 --> 01:36:35,848
I didn't know we were mad. I thought
we just didn't like each other
1497
01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:39,347
Knowing that my
father doesn't like
1498
01:36:39,431 --> 01:36:42,889
to have anything that's
not rehearsed,
1499
01:36:42,972 --> 01:36:46,347
everything has to be rehearsed
down to the nth degree,
1500
01:36:46,431 --> 01:36:53,097
I decide to save one thing that I'm gonna
do when I think it's his last close-up,
1501
01:36:53,180 --> 01:36:55,764
because I want him...
1502
01:36:55,848 --> 01:36:59,264
to do something unplanned. I don't
know what it... how he would react,
1503
01:36:59,347 --> 01:37:01,556
but it will be emotional.
1504
01:37:01,639 --> 01:37:03,556
I... I wanna be your friend.
1505
01:37:03,639 --> 01:37:06,598
I reached out
and I touched his arm.
1506
01:37:06,681 --> 01:37:09,972
Does this mean you'll...
come around more often?
1507
01:37:10,055 --> 01:37:12,306
It'd mean
a lot to your mother.
1508
01:37:12,389 --> 01:37:14,014
And he put his hand up,
1509
01:37:14,681 --> 01:37:17,347
but I saw...
1510
01:37:18,306 --> 01:37:21,514
the tears in his eyes...
1511
01:37:23,681 --> 01:37:27,472
and, you know, it just...
it meant the world to me.
1512
01:37:28,556 --> 01:37:34,097
He loved her. That he
couldn't express it in three words
1513
01:37:34,180 --> 01:37:35,806
is a kind of tragedy.
1514
01:37:35,889 --> 01:37:41,514
But in his eyes and in his
face, he still expressed it.
1515
01:37:42,764 --> 01:37:46,472
And the winner is...
Henry Fonda, On Golden Pond.
1516
01:37:56,431 --> 01:38:01,930
Oh, Dad, I'm so happy,
and proud, for you.
1517
01:38:06,930 --> 01:38:11,139
On Golden Pond isn't a movie.
It's a vehicle to try to make
1518
01:38:11,222 --> 01:38:13,764
her family closer.
1519
01:38:13,848 --> 01:38:19,556
Perhaps because she felt other parts
of her family... were in limbo.
1520
01:38:21,723 --> 01:38:25,848
You know, my sister definitely
had a harder time
1521
01:38:25,930 --> 01:38:29,180
relating with my mother
than I have.
1522
01:38:29,264 --> 01:38:32,222
I remember coming
back from the hospital,
1523
01:38:32,306 --> 01:38:34,514
with newborn Troy,
1524
01:38:34,598 --> 01:38:38,598
and Vanessa,
happily staring at him.
1525
01:38:39,431 --> 01:38:43,306
But it was also apparent
that he was the different one.
1526
01:38:43,930 --> 01:38:46,306
He was the prince.
1527
01:38:47,764 --> 01:38:50,180
Vanessa saw me
1528
01:38:50,264 --> 01:38:56,889
taking Troy with me,
as I had not taken her.
1529
01:38:58,431 --> 01:39:02,180
And she saw me living
with Troy's father...
1530
01:39:03,930 --> 01:39:09,889
which was not her situation. And I can't
imagine that it wasn't difficult for her.
1531
01:39:09,972 --> 01:39:15,014
The thing about Jane is, she
had to learn how to be a mother...
1532
01:39:17,514 --> 01:39:21,222
because that isn't what she
experienced. She experienced,
1533
01:39:21,306 --> 01:39:23,681
"Come down and say good night
to the guests,
1534
01:39:23,764 --> 01:39:26,097
and go back upstairs and be
your perfect little selves."
1535
01:39:26,180 --> 01:39:29,889
And even thought her mother was
loving, she was clearly sad.
1536
01:39:29,972 --> 01:39:33,723
She must've, as a child,
really felt that sadness,
1537
01:39:33,806 --> 01:39:39,389
you know, it had its effect.
She's not a natural caretaker.
1538
01:39:39,472 --> 01:39:43,514
She had no training for
emotional intelligence, at all.
1539
01:39:45,139 --> 01:39:47,431
My mother didn't
have a good example of what
1540
01:39:47,514 --> 01:39:50,556
a healthy relationship
looked like,
1541
01:39:50,639 --> 01:39:52,764
neither did my father.
1542
01:39:52,848 --> 01:39:56,472
Neither one of us were big
on talking about our feelings.
1543
01:39:56,556 --> 01:40:03,556
Our lives became more and more
like... on two separate tracks.
1544
01:40:04,972 --> 01:40:06,306
Tom once said,
1545
01:40:06,389 --> 01:40:08,389
"If Jane and I find
ourselves together,
1546
01:40:08,472 --> 01:40:10,556
it was a mistake
in scheduling."
1547
01:40:11,681 --> 01:40:16,055
I think that in the end,
neither one of us were happy.
1548
01:40:17,139 --> 01:40:19,431
Living with a public figure,
1549
01:40:19,514 --> 01:40:21,097
who has, uh,
1550
01:40:21,180 --> 01:40:23,639
movie studios and... and
public relations firms working
1551
01:40:23,723 --> 01:40:26,848
night and day to make her
larger than life, uh,
1552
01:40:26,930 --> 01:40:30,681
it is... it becomes artificial.
The house becomes a prop,
1553
01:40:30,764 --> 01:40:33,514
suddenly, uh, the bedroom
could become a prop,
1554
01:40:33,598 --> 01:40:35,431
the children are props.
1555
01:40:35,514 --> 01:40:36,431
Where's life?
1556
01:40:39,514 --> 01:40:42,139
She felt the call of Hollywood.
1557
01:40:42,222 --> 01:40:45,514
That was very jarring to me.
1558
01:40:47,598 --> 01:40:50,389
I was drinking and womanizing.
1559
01:40:52,055 --> 01:40:54,972
I wasn't ready to be
the husband of somebody
1560
01:40:55,055 --> 01:40:59,389
that was preoccupied
with being an actress.
1561
01:41:01,055 --> 01:41:03,806
He was very rough on her.
1562
01:41:03,889 --> 01:41:06,848
I think she was very lonely.
1563
01:41:06,930 --> 01:41:10,848
It was a vulnerability she couldn't allow in
and I think a truth she couldn't allow in.
1564
01:41:10,930 --> 01:41:15,472
So I think she would've
gone on accepting that.
1565
01:41:17,764 --> 01:41:20,639
He fell in love with somebody...
1566
01:41:22,930 --> 01:41:27,139
um... and I found out.
1567
01:41:31,431 --> 01:41:35,180
It did knock the foundation
out from under me because...
1568
01:41:35,264 --> 01:41:39,264
I just never could have
imagined life without Tom.
1569
01:41:40,764 --> 01:41:45,431
If I'm not with Tom Hayden,
then I'm nobody.
1570
01:41:47,347 --> 01:41:51,889
Here she was alone at a
critical moment for an actress.
1571
01:41:51,972 --> 01:41:54,598
when you're still beautiful,
and sexy, and everything,
1572
01:41:54,681 --> 01:41:57,264
but the guys don't want
to play with you anymore.
1573
01:41:57,347 --> 01:42:00,431
When Redford was making
the movie Legal Eagles
1574
01:42:00,514 --> 01:42:03,848
and Debra Winger got cast,
and Jane didn't,
1575
01:42:03,930 --> 01:42:07,055
she went, "Oh my God,
it's happened.
1576
01:42:07,139 --> 01:42:10,681
"Redford isn't fighting for me,
or the studio doesn't want me,
1577
01:42:10,764 --> 01:42:13,889
they want the new,
fabulous young star."
1578
01:42:13,972 --> 01:42:17,222
It was a very difficult time.
1579
01:42:17,306 --> 01:42:21,431
Just dark... and painful.
1580
01:42:22,764 --> 01:42:24,681
And then, a friend of mine
gave me the name
1581
01:42:24,764 --> 01:42:28,222
of this unbelievable psychic...
1582
01:42:28,306 --> 01:42:29,889
who...
1583
01:42:29,972 --> 01:42:31,972
predicted...
1584
01:42:32,055 --> 01:42:35,097
things... I mean,
down to the minutiae.
1585
01:42:35,180 --> 01:42:41,431
She said to me, "I see money.
I see so much money."
1586
01:42:44,472 --> 01:42:48,764
And then she said, "And I see land...
as far as I can see."
1587
01:42:52,180 --> 01:42:54,306
Of course,
it was Ted Turner.
1588
01:42:55,306 --> 01:42:56,556
The words used most often
1589
01:42:56,639 --> 01:42:58,806
to describe
Robert Edward Turner III
1590
01:42:58,889 --> 01:43:00,472
are controversial,
1591
01:43:00,556 --> 01:43:01,472
rash,
1592
01:43:01,556 --> 01:43:02,556
flamboyant,
1593
01:43:02,639 --> 01:43:03,639
controversial,
1594
01:43:03,723 --> 01:43:04,639
ambitious,
1595
01:43:04,723 --> 01:43:05,930
competitive,
1596
01:43:06,014 --> 01:43:06,723
and controversial.
1597
01:43:06,806 --> 01:43:09,014
You bet your bippy.
1598
01:43:10,723 --> 01:43:12,889
The best advice
is never do anything.
1599
01:43:14,222 --> 01:43:16,014
You'll never get in trouble
if you don't do anything.
1600
01:43:17,222 --> 01:43:21,222
But on the other hand, you'll never
get anywhere either... you know.
1601
01:43:23,055 --> 01:43:25,139
Faint heart ne'er won fair lady.
1602
01:43:33,014 --> 01:43:34,764
The day after...
1603
01:43:34,848 --> 01:43:38,264
my divorce from Tom Hayden
was announced, the phone rang,
1604
01:43:38,347 --> 01:43:40,681
and this booming
Southern accent,
1605
01:43:41,222 --> 01:43:43,264
he said, "Would you want to
go out with me?"
1606
01:43:43,347 --> 01:43:45,972
And I said, "Well, I'm having
a nervous breakdown.
1607
01:43:46,055 --> 01:43:48,723
Call me in six months."
1608
01:43:49,472 --> 01:43:52,598
And six months to the day,
Ted asked me out again.
1609
01:43:53,431 --> 01:43:55,389
Ted was a genius,
1610
01:43:55,472 --> 01:43:56,514
billionaire,
1611
01:43:56,598 --> 01:43:58,139
entrepreneur,
1612
01:43:58,598 --> 01:44:00,723
but he was also gorgeous.
1613
01:44:01,139 --> 01:44:05,514
I mean, he was really a handsome
man, and very, very sexy.
1614
01:44:07,139 --> 01:44:09,139
On the first date...
1615
01:44:09,222 --> 01:44:10,347
the way...
1616
01:44:10,431 --> 01:44:12,639
he looked at me...
1617
01:44:12,723 --> 01:44:15,472
I felt like I was being eaten.
1618
01:44:17,264 --> 01:44:19,639
He was devouring me,
1619
01:44:20,431 --> 01:44:22,764
and I got goosebumps
all over me.
1620
01:44:23,431 --> 01:44:25,180
Then he said, "You know,
I don't know much about you,
1621
01:44:25,264 --> 01:44:28,222
"so I went into CNN
and I pulled your archives.
1622
01:44:28,306 --> 01:44:30,431
There was a stack
about that high."
1623
01:44:31,431 --> 01:44:34,389
Then he said, "Then I went
and I pulled my archives.
1624
01:44:34,472 --> 01:44:37,972
And mine are this high.
Mine are bigger than yours."
1625
01:44:38,264 --> 01:44:41,598
I mean, by the time we got to the
restaurant, which was only 15 minutes away,
1626
01:44:41,681 --> 01:44:44,222
I felt like a tsunami
had rolled over me.
1627
01:44:45,972 --> 01:44:47,556
When he took me back,
1628
01:44:47,639 --> 01:44:51,930
at the door he said,
"Can I hug you?"
1629
01:44:52,014 --> 01:44:56,930
And he hugged me, and he said, "I... I'm...
I have to tell you that I'm smitten"
1630
01:44:58,097 --> 01:45:04,389
In his heart, Ted is not a wealthy,
powerful, privileged person.
1631
01:45:04,472 --> 01:45:08,639
He's a little boy
who likes to play,
1632
01:45:09,848 --> 01:45:12,930
and who has wild brilliance,
1633
01:45:13,014 --> 01:45:16,180
and that's what
I was attracted to.
1634
01:45:21,055 --> 01:45:25,055
Ted adored her.
He'd never put her down.
1635
01:45:25,139 --> 01:45:28,097
Ted is fucking great.
1636
01:45:28,180 --> 01:45:32,097
I pronounce you, now, man and wife.
You may kiss the bride.
1637
01:45:36,681 --> 01:45:38,681
All right!
1638
01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:43,598
Their wedding was
hilarious, just hilarious.
1639
01:45:43,681 --> 01:45:48,222
It's the only wedding after which we all
mounted horses and went grouse shooting
1640
01:45:53,556 --> 01:45:57,681
I'll never forget here
on our second date in Montana.
1641
01:45:57,764 --> 01:46:02,014
I remember driving around and he looked out of
the window of the Jeep at a bird that was...
1642
01:46:02,097 --> 01:46:04,139
you could see it in silhouette,
1643
01:46:04,222 --> 01:46:06,306
and he said what it was,
1644
01:46:06,389 --> 01:46:09,848
and he told me the
nesting patterns of the bird.
1645
01:46:09,930 --> 01:46:12,514
And I thought,
"I could love this man."
1646
01:46:12,598 --> 01:46:14,472
It was so clear...
1647
01:46:14,556 --> 01:46:18,598
that he... had a connection
to the land,
1648
01:46:18,681 --> 01:46:20,598
and to the critters,
1649
01:46:20,681 --> 01:46:23,639
and... and...
1650
01:46:23,723 --> 01:46:25,139
...so do I.
1651
01:46:29,556 --> 01:46:32,180
I grew up in the
Santa Monica mountains,
1652
01:46:32,264 --> 01:46:34,930
and I knew
all the little animals,
1653
01:46:35,014 --> 01:46:40,556
and the bugs, and the skunks, and
the coyotes, and I loved them.
1654
01:46:41,431 --> 01:46:43,514
The household wasn't very happy,
1655
01:46:43,598 --> 01:46:45,598
so that's where
I found happiness.
1656
01:46:47,139 --> 01:46:50,139
We were both children
of suicide,
1657
01:46:50,222 --> 01:46:52,389
so we understood each other.
1658
01:46:53,139 --> 01:46:56,764
Like me, he had found solace
in nature.
1659
01:46:57,930 --> 01:47:01,723
We would ride every day, sometimes
three, four, five hours.
1660
01:47:01,806 --> 01:47:04,848
And hiking, and fly-fishing.
1661
01:47:04,930 --> 01:47:06,930
You know, we had adventures.
1662
01:47:08,639 --> 01:47:11,556
Jane, am I correct that
you've given up making movies?
1663
01:47:11,639 --> 01:47:12,889
Oh yeah. When I met...
1664
01:47:12,972 --> 01:47:14,556
Ted, I was thinking about
doing it anyway,
1665
01:47:14,639 --> 01:47:16,472
but when I met Ted,
that clenched it.
1666
01:47:16,556 --> 01:47:19,055
She'd begun the marriage by saying
to Ted, "I'll give up work,
1667
01:47:19,139 --> 01:47:21,180
but you give up girls."
1668
01:47:21,264 --> 01:47:24,930
You mean ranching can take the place of
all the excitement of doing the movies?
1669
01:47:25,014 --> 01:47:26,264
Ted can.
1670
01:47:30,972 --> 01:47:32,723
Is that from you, Jeff?
1671
01:47:32,806 --> 01:47:34,723
Gee, that cost a fortune!
1672
01:47:40,681 --> 01:47:42,264
I thought that
would be a disaster,
1673
01:47:42,347 --> 01:47:45,222
with our liberal,
crunchy granola,
1674
01:47:45,306 --> 01:47:48,514
leftist kids
coming into his family.
1675
01:47:49,264 --> 01:47:51,055
And it melded amazingly well.
1676
01:47:54,598 --> 01:47:56,723
I learned a lot...
1677
01:47:56,806 --> 01:48:01,222
with the men in my life,
but I learned the most with Ted.
1678
01:48:01,306 --> 01:48:04,139
His vision was macro,
1679
01:48:04,222 --> 01:48:06,930
and I'm micro.
1680
01:48:07,014 --> 01:48:09,556
So we were a great partnership.
1681
01:48:10,639 --> 01:48:12,222
It was...
1682
01:48:12,306 --> 01:48:15,431
a stunningly,
interesting marriage.
1683
01:48:15,514 --> 01:48:20,264
Because they shared a view of
the world, an internationalism,
1684
01:48:20,347 --> 01:48:22,055
a curiosity.
1685
01:48:22,139 --> 01:48:26,264
And it was great to be out of
Hollywood in that dismal period
1686
01:48:26,347 --> 01:48:28,389
where she'd be
looking for gigs.
1687
01:48:28,472 --> 01:48:29,639
It was fun.
1688
01:48:30,681 --> 01:48:34,681
But, you know, in the end,
it didn't last.
1689
01:48:41,556 --> 01:48:42,930
Hi, Marta.
1690
01:48:44,306 --> 01:48:47,180
I'm good, I'm in a car heading
for my favorite ex-husband's
1691
01:48:47,264 --> 01:48:49,389
ranch in Montana.
1692
01:48:59,431 --> 01:49:01,014
I think you look great.
1693
01:49:01,097 --> 01:49:03,055
-Ha, I don't...
-I think you look great!
1694
01:49:03,723 --> 01:49:06,014
You look great, too.
1695
01:49:11,222 --> 01:49:13,306
Oh, it is?
1696
01:49:13,389 --> 01:49:15,139
Gettin' old is hard,
isn't, man?
1697
01:49:15,222 --> 01:49:16,014
Oh, it is.
1698
01:49:17,889 --> 01:49:19,806
That tree looks great.
Do you ever sit under it
1699
01:49:19,889 --> 01:49:22,014
-with your various girlfriends?
-No.
1700
01:49:23,264 --> 01:49:26,389
That's your tree.
1701
01:49:28,930 --> 01:49:29,681
It's good to see you.
1702
01:49:29,764 --> 01:49:31,598
It's good to see you.
1703
01:49:38,930 --> 01:49:39,972
Yeah.
1704
01:49:41,222 --> 01:49:43,055
Well, we had fun in here.
1705
01:49:44,930 --> 01:49:46,306
Can I be bossy for a minute?
1706
01:49:46,389 --> 01:49:47,180
Sure.
1707
01:49:47,264 --> 01:49:48,514
This isn't a good idea.
1708
01:49:48,598 --> 01:49:49,514
Why?
1709
01:49:49,598 --> 01:49:50,889
Because you walk into the back
1710
01:49:50,972 --> 01:49:52,389
of a whole lot of pictures.
1711
01:49:52,472 --> 01:49:54,055
You should turn them,
1712
01:49:54,139 --> 01:49:57,431
and some of them should face
this way, and for... Oh!
1713
01:49:57,972 --> 01:49:59,347
Awww.
1714
01:50:02,097 --> 01:50:04,514
We had a wonderful 10 years.
1715
01:50:04,598 --> 01:50:08,598
But I had to hide
a part of me,
1716
01:50:08,681 --> 01:50:10,848
in order to please him.
1717
01:50:10,930 --> 01:50:15,389
He would call me when I was in L.A.
and he was in Atlanta,
1718
01:50:15,472 --> 01:50:19,639
and he would say,
"I'm... shrinking."
1719
01:50:21,306 --> 01:50:25,389
When he is removed
from his object of love,
1720
01:50:25,472 --> 01:50:27,222
and he's alone,
1721
01:50:27,306 --> 01:50:30,347
he actually does feel
like he's getting small.
1722
01:50:30,972 --> 01:50:34,431
It's very deep
and very serious.
1723
01:50:35,472 --> 01:50:37,723
Ted can't be alone.
1724
01:50:37,806 --> 01:50:40,723
And so my whole life
1725
01:50:40,806 --> 01:50:43,806
had to be about him.
1726
01:50:45,598 --> 01:50:49,472
It was rare that
I could go to a conference.
1727
01:50:49,556 --> 01:50:52,681
The women's conference in Beijing,
I had to really negotiate.
1728
01:50:53,306 --> 01:50:58,097
The Cairo conference, the UN conference
on population and development.
1729
01:50:58,180 --> 01:51:01,264
I began an organization called
the Georgia Campaign
1730
01:51:01,347 --> 01:51:03,930
for Adolescent
Pregnancy Prevention,
1731
01:51:04,014 --> 01:51:07,431
and it was very, very
important to me.
1732
01:51:07,514 --> 01:51:10,472
But there was a lot that I
wanted to do that I couldn't do.
1733
01:51:12,681 --> 01:51:16,556
As we moved through the decade
that we spent together...
1734
01:51:18,180 --> 01:51:21,139
I became more of a feminist.
1735
01:51:21,222 --> 01:51:25,431
And so, my focus
was more and more on...
1736
01:51:25,514 --> 01:51:27,514
on women's empowerment.
1737
01:51:29,389 --> 01:51:32,055
But it's hard to be a complete feminist if
you're in a marriage that doesn't quite work.
1738
01:51:33,222 --> 01:51:37,055
None of my marriages
were democratic,
1739
01:51:38,389 --> 01:51:41,431
because I was
too worried about pleasing.
1740
01:51:42,055 --> 01:51:45,306
I had to be a certain way
in order for them to love me.
1741
01:51:45,389 --> 01:51:47,180
I had to look a certain way,
1742
01:51:47,264 --> 01:51:49,431
and I looked different for
all of them.
1743
01:51:50,389 --> 01:51:54,514
I wanted to be living
as a whole Jane,
1744
01:51:55,180 --> 01:51:57,598
fully realized Jane.
1745
01:51:59,055 --> 01:52:04,306
I hoped that Ted would feel
okay about it, because...
1746
01:52:04,389 --> 01:52:07,848
I really loved him, and I was
hoping that it would be forever.
1747
01:52:07,930 --> 01:52:10,347
But that's not the way
it played out.
1748
01:52:12,264 --> 01:52:16,472
When you and Jane
parted, how did that affect you?
1749
01:52:17,222 --> 01:52:18,806
It was...
1750
01:52:18,889 --> 01:52:20,264
very difficult. I...
1751
01:52:22,639 --> 01:52:24,014
thought it was a...
1752
01:52:26,764 --> 01:52:28,514
...a mistake.
1753
01:52:28,598 --> 01:52:31,889
I've survived, and so has she.
1754
01:52:31,972 --> 01:52:33,431
But, uh...
1755
01:52:34,723 --> 01:52:38,972
I feel like I was happier
when I was with her than...
1756
01:52:39,055 --> 01:52:40,681
subsequently.
1757
01:52:44,598 --> 01:52:48,514
When you reside
within your own skin,
1758
01:52:48,598 --> 01:52:50,556
you... you can feel it.
1759
01:52:50,639 --> 01:52:53,723
You're holding...
1760
01:52:53,806 --> 01:52:55,431
all of you:
1761
01:52:55,514 --> 01:52:56,889
your anger,
1762
01:52:56,972 --> 01:52:58,681
your kindness
1763
01:52:58,764 --> 01:53:00,389
your judgmentalness.
1764
01:53:00,472 --> 01:53:03,014
Everything that makes up
what you are,
1765
01:53:03,097 --> 01:53:07,055
including the fact that you may be stronger
and braver than the man you're married to.
1766
01:53:12,097 --> 01:53:17,681
When the time came that I said to
him, "Ted, this isn't gonna work...
1767
01:53:17,764 --> 01:53:20,556
"unless there are changes,"
1768
01:53:20,639 --> 01:53:22,472
we were in a car, and...
1769
01:53:23,972 --> 01:53:27,097
all the oxygen left the car,
and I knew...
1770
01:53:27,180 --> 01:53:28,889
it's not gonna happen.
1771
01:53:30,848 --> 01:53:32,764
It was awful.
1772
01:53:32,889 --> 01:53:34,806
And...
1773
01:53:34,889 --> 01:53:37,806
I could hear a voice saying,
1774
01:53:37,889 --> 01:53:41,097
"Oh God, Fonda, come on.
He's handsome, he's cute,
1775
01:53:41,180 --> 01:53:45,097
"he's sexy. You know you
never have to work again.
1776
01:53:45,180 --> 01:53:48,472
Lighten up. Come on."
1777
01:53:48,556 --> 01:53:52,764
And over here, there was
a softer little voice saying,
1778
01:53:52,848 --> 01:53:55,806
"If you stay...
1779
01:53:55,889 --> 01:53:59,472
"you will never... be authentic,
1780
01:53:59,556 --> 01:54:03,848
"you will never
be able to be whole."
1781
01:54:25,180 --> 01:54:28,889
Dina, I burnt out my blender.
1782
01:54:30,556 --> 01:54:35,139
After Ted Turner,
everything was so...
1783
01:54:35,222 --> 01:54:38,598
wildly quiet.
1784
01:54:38,681 --> 01:54:43,014
It was probably the most profound
turning point of my life.
1785
01:54:43,097 --> 01:54:45,681
I left this man...
1786
01:54:46,264 --> 01:54:49,014
and one part of me was so sad,
1787
01:54:49,097 --> 01:54:52,097
and the other part of me said,
1788
01:54:52,180 --> 01:54:54,347
"I'm gonna be okay.
1789
01:54:54,431 --> 01:54:58,055
I don't need a man
to make me okay."
1790
01:54:59,097 --> 01:55:02,431
That... that was it,
and I never went back.
1791
01:55:04,764 --> 01:55:08,014
The problem is you don't
understand the problem.
1792
01:55:08,097 --> 01:55:11,180
It's not personal.
1793
01:55:11,264 --> 01:55:16,848
I'm still being treated the way I was for
40 years, and I'm not gonna settle anymore.
1794
01:55:16,930 --> 01:55:21,514
Can't you see how disrespectful
you were being?
1795
01:55:21,598 --> 01:55:26,556
I might, I will, I am.
Yes, we've talked about it.
1796
01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:28,347
Doing? Doing?
1797
01:55:28,431 --> 01:55:30,639
I'll tell you what we're doing,
we're... we're... we're...
1798
01:55:30,723 --> 01:55:34,139
we're making vibrators
for women with arthritis.
1799
01:55:35,723 --> 01:55:38,514
Okay. God...
1800
01:55:38,598 --> 01:55:41,764
Seventy-eight years old, I have
a scene in bed with Sam Elliot.
1801
01:55:41,848 --> 01:55:43,681
Pretty good, huh?
1802
01:55:43,764 --> 01:55:44,889
It was fun, too.
1803
01:55:52,431 --> 01:55:55,055
Paula Weinstein,
who's my best friend,
1804
01:55:55,139 --> 01:55:58,930
she called me and she said, "The Zanucks
who were producing the Oscars that year
1805
01:55:59,014 --> 01:56:02,431
want you to present an award."
1806
01:56:02,514 --> 01:56:05,264
And I said, "I can't, I'm not
in the business anymore."
1807
01:56:05,347 --> 01:56:06,514
She said, "Shut up,
1808
01:56:06,598 --> 01:56:08,055
"Vera Wang's gonna make you
a dress
1809
01:56:08,139 --> 01:56:09,889
and Sally Hershberger's
gonna cut your hair."
1810
01:56:11,598 --> 01:56:13,097
I came out...
1811
01:56:13,180 --> 01:56:15,389
I could hear a gasp
from the audience
1812
01:56:15,472 --> 01:56:17,014
'cause I looked really good.
1813
01:56:17,639 --> 01:56:21,139
And right away,
I got offered Monster-In-Law.
1814
01:56:24,014 --> 01:56:26,472
You know, I thought, "Well...
1815
01:56:26,556 --> 01:56:30,264
"people are gonna go see it
because of Jennifer Lopez,
1816
01:56:30,347 --> 01:56:33,055
"but they're gonna discover,
or rediscover, Jane Fonda."
1817
01:56:38,723 --> 01:56:42,097
I'm sorry,
I thought it was air freshener.
1818
01:56:43,514 --> 01:56:45,431
Jane, I'm... I'm telling you,
I couldn't be, uh,
1819
01:56:45,514 --> 01:56:48,306
happier for you. I'm a... This
thing has just been tremendous.
1820
01:56:48,389 --> 01:56:53,222
And I would think after this run of the play,
you would like some time just to relax, but no!
1821
01:56:53,306 --> 01:56:56,764
You see, I'm the
brand ambassador for L'Oreal
1822
01:56:56,848 --> 01:56:58,764
for older women,
but they never...
1823
01:56:58,848 --> 01:57:01,139
nobody's ever had
a brand ambassador my age.
1824
01:57:01,222 --> 01:57:04,014
I competed with Margaret Mead,
and what they have me doing...
1825
01:57:04,097 --> 01:57:09,055
--...is um, hand
cream, face cream, and embalming oil.
1826
01:57:09,681 --> 01:57:12,639
I never thought I'd
still be doing this.
1827
01:57:12,723 --> 01:57:16,014
If you would have told me,
that I would be my age now,
1828
01:57:16,097 --> 01:57:17,514
and still working,
1829
01:57:17,598 --> 01:57:20,180
I would have been
totally flabbergasted.
1830
01:57:20,264 --> 01:57:22,514
Jane! Jane! Jane!
1831
01:57:24,598 --> 01:57:26,472
I'm just kind of amazed
that I have...
1832
01:57:26,556 --> 01:57:28,806
managed to recreate a career,
and I'm...
1833
01:57:28,889 --> 01:57:30,639
as busy as I am.
1834
01:57:30,723 --> 01:57:31,848
God!
1835
01:57:31,930 --> 01:57:34,180
-I mean, can't a lady have a...
-Leona!
1836
01:57:34,264 --> 01:57:37,764
We don't have the trust
of the public anymore.
1837
01:57:38,222 --> 01:57:39,723
Get it back!
1838
01:57:40,055 --> 01:57:42,598
I forgot, I forgot
to slow down, I'm sorry.
1839
01:57:42,681 --> 01:57:45,472
Now, I'm making a movie
with Bob Redford again.
1840
01:57:46,431 --> 01:57:48,180
She is so busy.
1841
01:57:48,264 --> 01:57:50,639
No grass grows under her feet.
1842
01:57:50,723 --> 01:57:52,347
She puts me in the shade.
1843
01:57:52,431 --> 01:57:53,848
You ready for sushi?
1844
01:57:53,930 --> 01:57:55,848
Yes, I am.
1845
01:57:55,930 --> 01:57:59,681
Grace and Frankie, when
it came along, just seemed right.
1846
01:57:59,764 --> 01:58:02,681
We can play out
this part of our lives
1847
01:58:02,764 --> 01:58:04,556
in a project that speaks
1848
01:58:04,639 --> 01:58:06,389
what we wanna speak about.
1849
01:58:06,472 --> 01:58:08,848
Older women, older people,
older, uh,
1850
01:58:08,930 --> 01:58:11,180
gay people,
older straight people.
1851
01:58:11,264 --> 01:58:15,139
How am I gonna explain to my kids that their
grandma makes sex toys for other grandmas?
1852
01:58:15,222 --> 01:58:16,848
Well, I'll tell you
what to tell them, honey.
1853
01:58:16,930 --> 01:58:19,639
You tell them that we
make things for people like us.
1854
01:58:19,723 --> 01:58:22,514
She lived
her life in front of us,
1855
01:58:22,598 --> 01:58:27,389
and as she's grown older,
she's shown us what that's like.
1856
01:58:27,472 --> 01:58:29,556
She's not afraid
to be out there.
1857
01:58:29,639 --> 01:58:34,180
We are sick and tired of being
dismissed by people like you.
1858
01:58:34,264 --> 01:58:37,222
-Mic drop.
-It's about answering back,
1859
01:58:37,306 --> 01:58:41,347
not going quietly
into that great good night.
1860
01:58:41,431 --> 01:58:44,598
And then go ahead and lower down and when you
lower down, I want you to let your knees bend.
1861
01:58:44,681 --> 01:58:46,514
Great, and then pull
right back up again.
1862
01:58:46,598 --> 01:58:47,556
-So...
-Using my arms?
1863
01:58:47,639 --> 01:58:49,097
You could use both so r...
1864
01:58:49,180 --> 01:58:50,347
I'm glad...
1865
01:58:50,431 --> 01:58:52,764
that I look good for my age.
1866
01:58:54,514 --> 01:58:58,681
But I've also had plastic surgery,
I'm not gonna lie about that.
1867
01:59:00,598 --> 01:59:04,681
On one level, I hate the fact
that I have had the need...
1868
01:59:04,764 --> 01:59:06,723
to alter myself physically
1869
01:59:06,806 --> 01:59:08,764
to feel that I'm okay.
1870
01:59:11,514 --> 01:59:13,431
I wish that I wasn't...
1871
01:59:13,514 --> 01:59:15,306
like that.
1872
01:59:15,389 --> 01:59:18,389
I love older faces.
1873
01:59:18,472 --> 01:59:23,139
I love lived-in faces.
I love Vanessa Redgrave's face.
1874
01:59:23,222 --> 01:59:26,264
I wish I was braver.
1875
01:59:26,347 --> 01:59:28,972
But, um...
1876
01:59:29,055 --> 01:59:30,930
I am what I am.
1877
01:59:39,472 --> 01:59:43,472
Your age is less chronological,
1878
01:59:43,556 --> 01:59:48,556
and more spiritual,
and attitudinal.
1879
01:59:50,514 --> 01:59:54,264
I was so old at 20.
1880
01:59:56,097 --> 01:59:59,723
I mean, maybe people who knew me
then would have said, "What?!"
1881
02:00:00,723 --> 02:00:05,306
But on a soul level,
I was really...
1882
02:00:05,389 --> 02:00:07,764
I saw no future.
1883
02:00:07,848 --> 02:00:09,681
I was very dark,
1884
02:00:09,764 --> 02:00:11,764
very sad person.
1885
02:00:13,222 --> 02:00:15,180
There was no joy.
1886
02:00:17,556 --> 02:00:20,848
I didn't really know who I was.
1887
02:00:20,930 --> 02:00:25,848
It took me a really long time
to find my own narrative.
1888
02:00:27,514 --> 02:00:30,889
Few people move
me as much as she does.
1889
02:00:30,972 --> 02:00:33,806
She's gotta fight all her life
1890
02:00:33,889 --> 02:00:36,347
her insecurity,
1891
02:00:36,431 --> 02:00:38,681
knowing her own value.
1892
02:00:38,764 --> 02:00:42,514
And that's a journey that continues for
her. I think she's gonna have that...
1893
02:00:42,598 --> 02:00:46,806
forever, but...
but nobody braver to tackle it.
1894
02:00:49,723 --> 02:00:51,681
When I watched my dad die,
1895
02:00:51,764 --> 02:00:53,389
I felt that he...
1896
02:00:53,472 --> 02:00:55,431
had a lot of regrets.
1897
02:00:56,598 --> 02:01:00,055
I do not want to get
to the end of life...
1898
02:01:00,139 --> 02:01:03,514
with a lot of regrets, and I know
that the regrets won't be what I did,
1899
02:01:03,598 --> 02:01:07,306
they'll be for the things
I didn't do.
1900
02:01:07,389 --> 02:01:10,848
This is the beginning
of my last act.
1901
02:01:10,930 --> 02:01:13,264
In order to know
how to go forward,
1902
02:01:13,347 --> 02:01:15,556
I was gonna have to know
where I'd been.
1903
02:01:17,139 --> 02:01:19,972
Let's see.
1904
02:01:26,806 --> 02:01:29,097
That's my grandmother.
1905
02:01:29,180 --> 02:01:31,806
That's the house
where my dad grew up.
1906
02:01:32,639 --> 02:01:34,848
If you really go back,
1907
02:01:34,930 --> 02:01:37,556
and try to understand
who you've been,
1908
02:01:37,639 --> 02:01:41,556
you have to understand
who your parents were.
1909
02:01:41,639 --> 02:01:45,389
Why were they not able...
1910
02:01:45,472 --> 02:01:48,347
to really look at you
with eyes of love,
1911
02:01:48,431 --> 02:01:52,848
reflect yourself back
with eyes of love.
1912
02:01:52,930 --> 02:01:57,930
Why did they have duct tape over their
eyes? Why did narcissism blind them...
1913
02:01:58,014 --> 02:02:00,889
from being able
to really see you?
1914
02:02:02,347 --> 02:02:07,097
Who were their parents?
Why did their parents...
1915
02:02:07,180 --> 02:02:08,806
treat them the way they did?
1916
02:02:21,180 --> 02:02:24,930
I began, in 2000,
to write my memoirs.
1917
02:02:25,014 --> 02:02:28,930
I dedicated them to my mother, because
I thought it was gonna force me...
1918
02:02:29,014 --> 02:02:32,306
to figure out who she was.
1919
02:02:34,347 --> 02:02:38,639
I found out that my mother
was the life of the party.
1920
02:02:38,723 --> 02:02:42,681
"Everybody loved being around
your mother!" They did?
1921
02:02:42,764 --> 02:02:48,598
"Oh my gosh! Oh, and she was...
I mean, men loved her."
1922
02:02:49,723 --> 02:02:54,681
And her father's, my grandfather's
side, of the family said, "Gasp!
1923
02:02:54,764 --> 02:02:59,014
"Oh we all wanted to be close to
your mother. She was a rock."
1924
02:02:59,097 --> 02:03:03,806
I was like, "My mother?"
It was such a...
1925
02:03:03,889 --> 02:03:08,598
unlike my image of who she was.
It just stunned me.
1926
02:03:10,723 --> 02:03:14,972
All these conflicting stories came
to me and I'd always sensed that...
1927
02:03:16,598 --> 02:03:21,514
...she must have had a really
hard childhood. And, um...
1928
02:03:21,598 --> 02:03:24,556
so with the help of a lawyer,
I got her medical records
1929
02:03:24,639 --> 02:03:28,347
from the institution
where she killed herself, and...
1930
02:03:28,431 --> 02:03:30,556
um...
1931
02:03:32,097 --> 02:03:34,681
I found,
from her medical records
1932
02:03:34,764 --> 02:03:37,723
that she suffered from manic depression,
that's what they called it.
1933
02:03:37,806 --> 02:03:40,972
It's today called bipolar.
1934
02:03:41,055 --> 02:03:43,556
And there was
this little autobiography,
1935
02:03:43,639 --> 02:03:46,764
they must have asked her
to write her life story.
1936
02:03:47,972 --> 02:03:50,681
What a gift.
1937
02:03:50,764 --> 02:03:54,139
Suddenly it's like,
1938
02:03:54,222 --> 02:03:56,681
it had nothing to do with me!
1939
02:03:56,764 --> 02:04:00,097
It wasn't that
I was not lovable.
1940
02:04:01,681 --> 02:04:05,389
It's that things would happen
to her, she had a very, very
1941
02:04:05,472 --> 02:04:08,889
hard childhood, and, um,
1942
02:04:08,972 --> 02:04:15,806
it broke her, in some way on some
fundamental way, it broke her.
1943
02:04:17,639 --> 02:04:22,889
I think the most defining
moment in my mother's life
1944
02:04:22,972 --> 02:04:26,139
was the death of her mother.
1945
02:04:27,848 --> 02:04:31,055
My mother died in 1950,
1946
02:04:31,139 --> 02:04:35,598
and I never had an inclination
to come here.
1947
02:04:36,139 --> 02:04:40,972
And at the time, it's the right
time for me to come and...
1948
02:04:41,055 --> 02:04:43,639
and visit her grave.
1949
02:05:06,347 --> 02:05:09,180
I finished her life story.
1950
02:05:10,347 --> 02:05:14,264
And all I wanted to do
was take her in my arms
1951
02:05:14,347 --> 02:05:16,930
and just say, "I'm so sorry.
1952
02:05:17,014 --> 02:05:21,972
"I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry
that I wasn't...
1953
02:05:22,055 --> 02:05:28,180
"more loving to you, I didn't know. I'm
so sorry you had to go through that.
1954
02:05:28,264 --> 02:05:29,972
Please forgive me."
1955
02:05:42,930 --> 02:05:47,681
Their incapacity to love
wasn't because you weren't...
1956
02:05:47,764 --> 02:05:52,930
worthy of love, but it was because
they, too, had been wounded.
1957
02:05:57,764 --> 02:06:00,055
And then you can forgive.
1958
02:06:08,930 --> 02:06:13,139
It goes from one generation
to another, and...
1959
02:06:13,222 --> 02:06:16,764
somebody's got to
break the cycle.
1960
02:06:18,889 --> 02:06:22,848
One of the reasons that
I wanted to write my book was
1961
02:06:22,930 --> 02:06:25,972
because I wanted my daughter
to know
1962
02:06:26,055 --> 02:06:29,389
why I wasn't a better parent
to her
1963
02:06:29,472 --> 02:06:32,347
and that it had nothing
to do with her.
1964
02:06:36,972 --> 02:06:40,097
I get so sad...
1965
02:06:41,598 --> 02:06:47,347
when I think of what I wasn't for
my daughter that she needed.
1966
02:06:50,681 --> 02:06:55,180
And it's hard to take that in
'cause it's so painful,
1967
02:06:55,972 --> 02:06:59,972
but it's never
too late, I think.
1968
02:07:02,764 --> 02:07:05,723
There are things between
us now that...
1969
02:07:05,806 --> 02:07:09,306
didn't used to be there,
and I think we both feel it.
1970
02:07:09,972 --> 02:07:12,598
Deep down, we love each other.
1971
02:07:14,598 --> 02:07:18,180
I hope that she'll be able
to forgive me.
1972
02:07:24,598 --> 02:07:29,514
And I feel lucky that I have my
family, and my extended family.
1973
02:07:30,055 --> 02:07:34,139
I'm now having relationships
that are much more democratic.
1974
02:07:35,514 --> 02:07:41,097
But I am most myself
when I'm with my women friends.
1975
02:07:41,180 --> 02:07:45,598
Like a lot of people,
I sort of thought that I would
1976
02:07:45,681 --> 02:07:50,097
at some point, you know,
kind of retire, and...
1977
02:07:50,180 --> 02:07:52,222
but that's not gonna happen.
1978
02:07:54,014 --> 02:07:55,930
Actress Jane Fonda
traveled to Standing Rock
1979
02:07:56,014 --> 02:07:58,764
to serve Thanksgiving meals
to demonstrators.
1980
02:07:58,848 --> 02:08:03,347
This is a battle for, not just
Standing Rock, but for everyone.
1981
02:08:04,347 --> 02:08:07,347
It's hard to be really happy
if your life doesn't have meaning.
1982
02:08:08,306 --> 02:08:12,097
People turn to religion because
it gives them some meaning,
1983
02:08:12,180 --> 02:08:14,972
but I am an activist.
1984
02:08:15,055 --> 02:08:19,139
Hey, hey! Ho, ho!
Donald Trump has got to go!
1985
02:08:19,222 --> 02:08:21,264
But we're in a whole new era.
1986
02:08:21,347 --> 02:08:25,306
When there's a catastrophe that's happened,
we have to be out in the streets.
1987
02:08:27,889 --> 02:08:34,097
We don't have to choose between the environment
and the economy. That is a false choice.
1988
02:08:34,180 --> 02:08:36,764
Actresses Jane
Fonda and Lily Tomlin
1989
02:08:36,848 --> 02:08:39,139
among several celebrities
joining the protest,
1990
02:08:39,222 --> 02:08:41,639
and marching
with the demonstrators.
1991
02:08:42,930 --> 02:08:44,306
Say it with me:
1992
02:08:44,389 --> 02:08:46,972
I pledge to resist!
1993
02:08:47,055 --> 02:08:48,930
I pledge to resist!
1994
02:08:49,014 --> 02:08:52,930
She is not a
fly-by-night activist.
1995
02:08:53,723 --> 02:08:56,347
It is deep in her soul.
1996
02:08:56,431 --> 02:09:01,431
There is no stopping that part of
herself 'cause it feeds everything.
1997
02:09:01,930 --> 02:09:03,681
They wouldn't let us in,
1998
02:09:03,764 --> 02:09:06,848
but we can still take
our money out!
1999
02:09:09,264 --> 02:09:12,014
There's this kinetic energy.
2000
02:09:12,097 --> 02:09:13,806
She won't stop.
2001
02:09:13,889 --> 02:09:16,681
She's on a mission.
2002
02:09:16,764 --> 02:09:20,180
This intent to do well
2003
02:09:20,264 --> 02:09:23,723
keeps her demons at bay.
2004
02:09:23,806 --> 02:09:29,180
Sometimes I want to say, "You don't
need to prove anything else to anyone.
2005
02:09:29,264 --> 02:09:33,889
"You don't need to push...
so hard, constantly."
2006
02:09:33,972 --> 02:09:35,681
But...
2007
02:09:35,764 --> 02:09:40,055
she is who she is and...
2008
02:09:40,139 --> 02:09:45,347
I... I, quite honestly, I wouldn't
change anything about her.
2009
02:09:50,306 --> 02:09:54,598
I had spent so much of my life feeling
if I'm not perfect, no one can love me.
2010
02:09:56,306 --> 02:09:58,055
And then...
2011
02:09:58,139 --> 02:10:03,556
I realized that trying to be
perfect is a toxic journey.
2012
02:10:03,639 --> 02:10:05,431
We're not perfect.
2013
02:10:05,514 --> 02:10:08,598
We have to love our shadow,
2014
02:10:08,681 --> 02:10:12,972
we have to embrace and accept
our shadows.
2015
02:10:15,848 --> 02:10:19,848
And sometimes,
good enough is good enough.160505