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This is what I.V.F. looks like.
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Wow.
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This is what my life is going to
be consumed of.
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All these meds in 20 days,
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thousands of dollars.
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This is I.V.F.
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Infertility just feels
like a special little corner of hell
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that just goes on and on and on.
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Every
community has that taboo subject,
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that thing they just don't talk
about at the dinner table,
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and fertility is ours.
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Black
women are struggling with infertility
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at almost two times the rate as
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our Caucasian brothers
and sisters.
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I think
there's an infertility pandemic.
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And I think it's getting worse.
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Infertility rates are quoted as
one in eight
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but I think it's much higher.
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Men from the general population,
we found that their sperm counts
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had dropped 50% in 40 years.
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There's no
embryo that has all normal cells.
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Mother Nature's all
about spectrum.
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If you want to see the belly,
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I'm actually wearing a whole,
like, belt underneath my shirt.
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One thing that people would
always say
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is that two men can't make
a baby.
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And so, I'm sort of like,
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"Watch us."
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No one likes hearing
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that you take Black women
from America,
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put them in other countries that
are supposedly
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lower resourced,
and they do better.
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That is shocking.
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I don't like to say that
it's a miracle.
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Because that doesn't have the
smack of truth to it.
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She is the spoils of war.
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I met Zack and he was a guy
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that I just found myself falling
in love with.
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And he brought out the best
of me.
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You just get excited
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about the prospect of having
a family
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and you meet the girl
of your dreams
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and then you decide,
you know, to get married.
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And you hope that kids are
the next step.
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In my family,
my sisters got pregnant right away,
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my mom got pregnant right away.
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So, I never thought that
infertility would be a word
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that I would have to use in my
own personal life.
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And we tried for years.
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Everybody gave us advice...
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"Well, you just need to relax
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"and, you know, it'll happen.
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Just... you guys are just
too stressed."
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And we kept trying
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and eventually we both
reached a point
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where we said something's wrong.
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After a year,
I went in to the doctor.
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They took my labs, a few days
later they called me back
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and said you know,
"You ovulate regularly,
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all your labs, hormonal-wise,
are in check."
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And so the next step would
have Zack go in.
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Of course,
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my husband did not want to go in
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to the doctor.
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So, he waited for about
six more months.
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So, I thought there's
nothing wrong.
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There can't be anything wrong.
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That would be crazy that
something was wrong.
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The doctor called
me and he told me the news
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that Zack had zero sperm in
his semen analysis.
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And that was the first time...
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we heard it.
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Having no sperm
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is not very uncommon.
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But most of the time there's an
obvious cause...
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a man who's had a vasectomy,
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men who are taking testosterone.
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So, in Zack's case,
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unexplained no sperm with
no blockage
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is relatively uncommon.
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Sometimes, we find genetic
reasons.
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That's not the case in
Zack's case.
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When you're told you
don't have sperm,
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you feel like you're
less of a man.
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You feel like, "Well,
why am I different
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"than all the other guys
that are out there?
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And how am I
less qualified?"
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Dr. Milbank,
you're in good hands. I know.
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I just have to have faith that
everything is going to work out.
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I was diagnosed
with non-obstructive azoospermia,
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which by definition means that
there are zero sperm.
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The doctor proposed that we go
in surgically
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and look in the testicle and
see if there is sperm there.
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In a patient who
has non-obstructive azoospermia,
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what that means is that
the sperm production
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is likely very compromised.
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And so, in order to get sperm,
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the urologist is making an
incision in the testes
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and pulling out some of
the little tubules
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that will contain small
amounts of sperm.
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Contrary to popular belief,
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male infertility is as common
as female infertility,
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and has many causes, including
abnormal sperm production,
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chronic illness, injury,
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or lifestyle choices.
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Very good.
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All right, Jeff,
find something good.
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Okay.
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So, we want sperm that has
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a normal shape to it.
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The sperm that has the
most normal shape
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is usually going to have a
better chance for fertilization
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than sperm that has
abnormal shapes.
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Found one?
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Yeah, there's
a few sperm in here.
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Nice!
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This is a sperm that really has
a nice head, midpiece, and tail.
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You can see it right kind of
here at the center.
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So, if you
think in terms of what
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Zack's chances are of having
a child
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without any intervention,
it's zero.
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We have moved him from zero
percent success to,
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at this point with sperm in
the lab,
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probably about a 50% chance
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of having a child that is
genetically his.
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I love you.
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I love you, too.
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I'm of course happy
that they did find sperm.
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But you still have all those
questions about what is next.
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If we take an average man today,
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and look at his sperm,
his father's sperm,
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his grandfather's sperm...
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we see that he has on average
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about half the number of sperm
as his grandfather.
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So, what we found when we looked
in Western countries...
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that is men from
the general population
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who didn't know whether or not
they were fertile...
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we found that their sperm counts
had dropped 50% in 40 years.
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Because it's not likely to
be genetic.
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Why? Because it's too fast.
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It's too fast a decline for
a genetic change.
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So then it's environmental.
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Lifestyle factors like smoking
too much,
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binge drinking, stress.
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A man's body weight, his obesity
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is directly related to
his semen quality.
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Another is the chemicals in
our daily life
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that have the ability to
interfere
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with the production,
distribution,
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and utilization of testosterone.
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And they are part
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of a category called
endocrine disruptors.
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Endocrine means hormone.
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Testosterone is a hormone.
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So, chemicals in plastic,
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soft plastic in particular,
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have the ability to decrease
testosterone.
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We know that the chemicals in
personal care products
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include many endocrine
disruptors.
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The chemicals come into the
mother's body,
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they get to the fetus,
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there's no question that they
get to the fetus.
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So, this is a really critical
link to the picture.
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These chemicals
can reduce testosterone
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in the developing fetus...
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and that can affect males'
sperm production
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and health later in life.
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The consequences,
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one of which is lowered
sperm count,
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and we see a lot of that in...
all over the United States.
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It's not just the number of
sperm that we care about.
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We also care about the shape
of the sperm,
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which has gone downhill as well.
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It's got to swim straight.
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Circles won't do.
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It's got to get to the target.
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So, what we're seeing is
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that the sperm are failing
the test,
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in lots of ways.
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But healthy
sperm are just one piece
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of the fertility puzzle when it
comes to making a baby.
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In order for natural conception
to occur,
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there are actually a lot of
things that need to go right.
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So, the very first thing that
needs to happen
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is there needs to be ovulation,
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which means that one mature egg
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is released from the ovary.
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That egg then needs to be picked
up by the Fallopian tube
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and it lives there for
about 24 hours.
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If there's sperm around,
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the sperm needs to find the egg
in the Fallopian tube
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and then they join together,
which we call fertilization.
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The egg now transforms and
becomes an embryo.
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Reproduction is really exciting
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because it's the best example of
multiplication you'll ever see.
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So, the embryo goes from
one cell
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to two to four
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and it just keeps doubling.
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So that by the time the embryo
gets into the womb,
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it's hundreds of cells.
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Once it's in the uterus,
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that blastocyst needs to send
signals to the uterus
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and the uterus needs to send
signals back
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until there's a connection,
which we call implantation.
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Even when a couple has no
fertility issues whatsoever,
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the chances that all of that
will go right in a given month
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is only about 25% to 30%.
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Here we are. Yeah, here we are.
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My turn.
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Approximately
one in eight couples
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suffer from infertility in
the United States.
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I think it's a private issue
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where a lot of people who are
struggling with fertility issues
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don't really talk about it.
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But I think it's important that
we all acknowledge,
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one in eight is a lot of people.
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Each year,
about 160,000 Americans
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turn to in vitro fertilization,
or I.V.F.
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In the coming weeks, Cassie will
take drugs
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to stimulate the development of
multiple eggs
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in hopes that they can be
fertilized
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with Zack's sperm in the lab.
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This is what I.V.F. looks like.
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These are all the meds
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and they come in a package,
a big box.
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And you open it up and
you're like, wow!
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This is what the next 20 days
of my life
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is going to be consumed of.
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All of these meds
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in 20 days.
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Thousands of dollars.
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This is I.V.F.
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"It
hurts to give yourself shots.
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"It hurts when your spouse has
male factor infertility.
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"It hurts when you and your
spouse don't see eye to eye.
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"It hurts because no one knows
the silent tears
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"that you cry at night.
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"It hurts because you don't have
insurance or money
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"to cover treatment or
adoption services.
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"It hurts!
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"Because it seems like God
is silent.
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"It hurts because of the crazy
comments people say to you like,
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"'Just relax.'
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"It hurts because the baby
you've always dreamed of
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"seems like a distant reality
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that may not ever happen."
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In the African-American
community, what I would hear
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is that we were fertile,
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that we were hyper-fertile.
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Much of this is steeped in
a number of breeding myths,
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particularly during slavery.
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Black women in particular...
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we didn't struggle with
infertility.
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That's what we were told.
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And for those women
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that were experiencing fertility
challenges,
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it was a secret, you know?
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No one was talking about it.
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Reverend Stacey
Edwards-Dunn was 37 years old
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when she married her
husband Earl.
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They planned to have a child
right away
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but were unable to,
and turned to I.V.F.
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I think one of the key issues
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with a lot of couples,
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especially minority couples,
is financial.
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It's financial, it's expensive.
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Assisted
Reproductive Technologies, or A.R.T.
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does relate to
socioeconomic status
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because fertility treatments are
relatively expensive.
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I.V.F. could cost
anywhere between $10,000
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and as high as $25,000,
if using your own eggs.
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In terms of who gets to
have a baby,
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it's whether you can afford it,
whether you have access to it.
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We know that, unfortunately,
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just simply looking at
geographics in terms of
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locations of fertility clinics,
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they tend to be located in the
more affluent neighborhoods.
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For many people, it's cost
prohibitive.
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I.V.F. is usually not covered
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by either private insurance
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or by the state health care
program for the poor,
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the state federal program
Medicaid.
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We're one of the few rich
countries
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that doesn't think of it as part
of basic health coverage.
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The good news is more
and more states in the United States
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now provide what we call
mandated coverage,
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which is a strong requirement or
recommendation
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that employers and other
insurers
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provide fertility coverage.
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For six years, Stacey
and Earl poured their life savings
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into multiple I.V.F. treatments.
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Finally, a doctor alerted Stacey
that she had a rare condition
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that no one had ever told
her about.
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So, I went to go see the doctor.
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She said, "Had anyone ever
told you
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that you had one
Fallopian tube?"
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I said, "Absolutely not."
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"Has anyone ever told you that
you have a unicornuate uterus?
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That your uterus is much smaller
than the average uterus?"
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I said, "Absolutely not."
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Now although I had been
diagnosed
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with unexplained infertility,
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they still never told me that
I had one Fallopian tube
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or had a unicornuate uterus.
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Which could have been a,
you know,
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a major game-changer for every
doctor that had seen me.
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For African
American women, there has been
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a long-standing history of
reproductive coercion,
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of sterilization that we know
that's gone on
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in the history of the
United States,
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and there is a concern
about trust.
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Across the
board, there are disparities.
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Clearly disparities in the
medical system for the treatment
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of African American men
and women.
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And I think that's true in the
world of infertility as well.
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In our
community, I hear it all the time.
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When we go to doctors,
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many doctors do not take
us seriously.
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Many doctors have provided
diagnosis
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oftentimes that's incorrect.
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Reverend Stacey
came to see the first six years
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of her private fight for
fertility
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as her season of delay.
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A lot of people
struggle with this idea of delay.
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And you wonder
when your time is coming.
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And so I had to get to the point
that, you know,
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each time I got a negative
pregnancy test
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or that the I.V.F. wasn't
successful,
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I had to eventually arrive to
the point
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that delay didn't mean denial.
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Believing
she would become a mother,
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Reverend Stacey decided to
break her silence.
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The moment
that I was willing to open up
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and publicly share about
my story,
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what happened is that
women and couples
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began to come out the woodworks.
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Because they were like,
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"My God, she gets it.
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She, she's going through what
I... what I'm going through."
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Or "She's now been through, you
know, what I'm going through."
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Black women are struggling with
infertility
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at almost two times the rate
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as our Caucasian brothers and
sisters.
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I knew
when I was about 25 years old
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what they kept telling me... "You
have a uterus full of fibroids."
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And so, I didn't know if
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that was going to impact
my fertility.
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I had just graduated from
law school.
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I wasn't interested in having
a baby at that point.
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And so I kind of...
I didn't have symptoms.
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I kind of let it go on and
go on and go on.
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Fibroids are benign
tumors of muscular and fibrous tissue
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that typically develop in
the walls of the uterus.
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Fibroids cause
a disruption inside the uterus
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such that it becomes not only
hard to get pregnant,
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it also becomes harder to
stay pregnant.
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Black women experience
miscarriages
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at a much higher rate.
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And I think it's almost always
due to fibroids.
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When Tiffany married
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and was ready to start a family,
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she struggled to get pregnant,
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but did not know where to turn
for help.
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I think every
community has that taboo subject,
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that thing they just don't talk
about at the dinner table,
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and fertility is ours.
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I didn't have a voice.
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I was just struggling.
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I'm a lawyer by trade and so I'm
used to advocating for people.
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But in this, I couldn't advocate
for myself.
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I didn't know how and I had,
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I had too much pain,
too much shame,
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and that's when I came across
Fertility for Colored Girls.
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- It's so difficult...
- Yeah.
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And it's very difficult to be,
like,
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told this basic lie
your whole life,
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that it's just... everything's
going to work out
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and it really isn't.
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I do believe that God called me
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to start Fertility for
Colored Girls,
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to create this safe space
for women,
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particularly African American
women who were struggling
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at insurmountable rates
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because there was no place for
them to go.
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I went to the
meeting and I was shocked
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because there were so many
Black and brown women there,
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like me, who were struggling.
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And it was the first time that I
didn't feel alone.
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We're believing and
we're cheering you on
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till the end. Yes.
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Black women in particular,
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we have experienced generations
of oppression.
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We carry generations of stress.
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Someone says that,
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you know, this stress and this
trauma is also cellular,
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and it particularly impacts us
on this infertility journey.
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Women, particularly
African American women,
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have experienced long-standing
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social, economic, and
environmental stress
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that has really placed a burden
on their bodies
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in a way that translates
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into more adverse reproductive
health outcomes.
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And that term is called
weathering,
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that this weathering in a way
prematurely ages Black women.
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Your stress hormones, cortisol,
your fight-or-flight hormones
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known as catecholamines or
epinephrine, norepinephrine,
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those hormones actually should
only be present
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at low doses overall in
your general day-to-day
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and only spike when you
truly have
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a new, short-term scare
or anxiety.
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For people who find themselves
in societies where there's maybe
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institutional racism,
structural racism,
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their catecholamines and
their cortisol levels
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are way higher than
they should be.
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And so if someone is constantly
under stress
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where their body is weathering,
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that has a lot of long-term
impacts
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on all your organ systems.
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And over time, we see
that manifesting
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in earlier ages of diagnosis
with disease,
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earlier ages of diagnosis in
terms of high blood pressure,
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diabetes, stress-related
tension,
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and even birth outcomes
in women.
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The Black
community is often described as
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the most religious community
in America.
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And there's a big push to just
pray about it.
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00:20:45,002 --> 00:20:47,591
Rev. Stacey,
because she's a reverend,
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really kind of demystified that
and said,
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"God made the science too."
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I had gone through one round
of I.V.F.
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and when they went in to
retrieve the eggs,
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they could not really get to
my ovaries
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because they've got these
fibroids all over the place.
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And upwards of 80% of
Black women
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suffer from fibroids.
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And we don't do anything about
it unless it's life-threatening.
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And Rev. Stacey just really gave
me the push I needed and,
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and the permission to, to
remove the fibroids
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and move forward on my path to,
to motherhood.
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After surgery
to remove her fibroids,
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Tiffany embarked on more rounds
of I.V.F.
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I.V.F. doesn't seem to be
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any more efficient than nature.
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Still, most I.V.F. embryos do
not become babies,
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just as most embryos that are
produced the old-fashioned way
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don't become babies.
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But if you've got blocked
Fallopian tubes,
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or if your sperm for some reason
won't fertilize an egg,
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for a variety of other reasons
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there are a lot of people out
there for whom
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the old-fashioned way
just won't work.
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And for them, I.V.F. amazingly
outperforms nature.
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This is the second
time Cassie and Zack have tried
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to conceive a child through
I.V.F.
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using sperm extracted from Zack.
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Their first attempt did not
produce viable embryos.
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Within 24 hours of
Zack's procedure,
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Dr. April Batcheller will
attempt
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to collect eggs from both of
Cassie's ovaries.
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We give women like Cassie
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extra follicle stimulating
hormone.
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So that instead of just growing
one egg,
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maybe we can get 15 or 20 eggs
from the ovary.
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The goal is going to be
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to place a needle into each one
of these follicles here
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and aspirate all of these
beautiful eggs
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that Cassie spent the past
two weeks growing.
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Follicles are
the tiny sacs inside the ovaries
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that nurture and release
a woman's eggs.
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During an egg retrieval,
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a doctor will place a probe
inside the vagina
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and through a needle-guided
procedure,
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follicles are drained of
follicular fluid.
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24.
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In the room next door,
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the embryologist will isolate
Cassie's eggs
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and try to fertilize them
with Zack's sperm.
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Fertilization is probably
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our biggest hurdle
that we have here
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because of Zacks's sperm
challenge.
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In this case, because Zach's
sperm were surgically extracted,
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they lack the ability to swim.
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00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:35,034
And so, we have to give them a
bit of a boost
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by injecting
the non-swimming sperm
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into the egg with a needle,
called a ICSI needle...
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intracytoplasmic sperm
injection.
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This revolutionary
technology was developed
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to assist fertilization for men
with weak or few sperm.
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Today, it is widely used in
I.V.F. laboratories.
490
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Oh... All right.
491
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Okay, I know, right?
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Within 18 hours,
Zack's sperm and Cassie's eggs
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create three embryos.
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From there, it is
an anxiety-provoking
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five or six days while we wait
for the embryos
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00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:15,005
to grow and divide.
497
00:24:17,594 --> 00:24:22,150
I think being
faced with infertility
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is extremely hard.
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00:24:23,565 --> 00:24:24,877
It's emotional.
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You have the steps of grieving.
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00:24:26,913 --> 00:24:30,330
You're trying to accept and
you're trying to, you know,
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00:24:30,365 --> 00:24:32,332
predict what's going to happen.
503
00:24:32,367 --> 00:24:34,887
Everybody has such a
unique story.
504
00:24:34,921 --> 00:24:37,821
And when you have a
child of your own
505
00:24:37,855 --> 00:24:40,133
and you say,
"Why not adopt?"
506
00:24:40,168 --> 00:24:42,895
that's their opinion, you know.
507
00:24:42,929 --> 00:24:44,310
They decided to be
parents themselves,
508
00:24:44,344 --> 00:24:45,518
they have biological children.
509
00:24:45,553 --> 00:24:49,798
And it's really hard to
hear that.
510
00:24:49,833 --> 00:24:51,317
You look into your future.
511
00:24:51,351 --> 00:24:53,353
What does that look like for us?
512
00:24:53,388 --> 00:24:56,805
Who's going to be with us for
our family Christmases?
513
00:25:01,845 --> 00:25:04,813
Like, who's going to be with us,
514
00:25:04,848 --> 00:25:08,817
like, when we're saying
our last words?
515
00:25:08,852 --> 00:25:11,820
I think, like...
516
00:25:11,855 --> 00:25:13,719
we want to have
the joys of children.
517
00:25:19,483 --> 00:25:22,417
There are a lot
of causes for infertility.
518
00:25:22,451 --> 00:25:24,246
So big items are male factor,
519
00:25:24,281 --> 00:25:26,525
where there's something going on
with the sperm.
520
00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,182
Tubal factor, where there's
something going on
521
00:25:29,217 --> 00:25:30,563
with the Fallopian tube,
522
00:25:30,598 --> 00:25:34,429
and anovulation where there's an
issue relating to...
523
00:25:34,463 --> 00:25:36,949
ability to release an egg
from the ovary.
524
00:25:36,983 --> 00:25:39,848
One condition
that affects a woman's ability
525
00:25:39,883 --> 00:25:40,953
to ovulate regularly
526
00:25:40,987 --> 00:25:45,958
is polycystic ovary syndrome,
or PCOS,
527
00:25:45,992 --> 00:25:48,339
a hormonal disorder that if
left untreated,
528
00:25:48,374 --> 00:25:50,203
can have long-term consequences.
529
00:25:50,238 --> 00:25:51,826
We know that people
530
00:25:51,860 --> 00:25:54,311
with P.C.O.S.,
because of insulin resistance,
531
00:25:54,345 --> 00:25:56,900
also struggle with their weight.
532
00:25:56,934 --> 00:25:58,315
And so, in the United States,
533
00:25:58,349 --> 00:26:00,766
where we're facing an
obesity epidemic,
534
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,321
and thus a diabetes crisis
as well,
535
00:26:04,355 --> 00:26:07,842
it's really important to
diagnose PCOS even in teenagers.
536
00:26:07,876 --> 00:26:09,844
An even more common illness
537
00:26:09,878 --> 00:26:14,262
affecting a woman's fertility
is endometriosis,
538
00:26:14,296 --> 00:26:17,023
an inflammatory disease of
the reproductive system,
539
00:26:17,058 --> 00:26:19,094
that can begin in puberty.
540
00:26:19,129 --> 00:26:21,027
It afflicts at least ten percent
of women
541
00:26:21,062 --> 00:26:25,342
and takes an average of
six to eight years to diagnose.
542
00:26:25,376 --> 00:26:27,033
One of the biggest downsides
543
00:26:27,068 --> 00:26:31,451
to endometriosis progressing
without diagnosis or treatment
544
00:26:31,486 --> 00:26:35,870
is that it can cause really bad
scarring of the Fallopian tubes.
545
00:26:35,904 --> 00:26:38,458
But it also can cause the eggs
to die.
546
00:26:38,493 --> 00:26:41,876
Some women may stop ovulating
regularly.
547
00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:45,431
And some may even go
into menopause prematurely
548
00:26:45,465 --> 00:26:46,570
as a result.
549
00:26:48,020 --> 00:26:49,504
But one of the
major challenges for women
550
00:26:49,538 --> 00:26:52,541
who are struggling to conceive
is the age of their eggs.
551
00:26:52,576 --> 00:26:53,957
We as a society
552
00:26:53,991 --> 00:26:57,546
all need to know that there are
issues with having babies
553
00:26:57,581 --> 00:26:58,996
when we're older
554
00:26:59,031 --> 00:27:01,896
and we need to be thoughtful
about planning our fertility.
555
00:27:01,930 --> 00:27:03,898
It's not a popular message,
556
00:27:03,932 --> 00:27:06,901
and it does create anxiety,
which no one wants to do.
557
00:27:06,935 --> 00:27:08,765
But, on the other hand,
you know,
558
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:10,421
I can't tell you the number of
women who have said,
559
00:27:10,456 --> 00:27:12,527
"No one told me this stuff,
I can't believe I'm 44
560
00:27:12,561 --> 00:27:14,736
"and thinking it's easy to
get pregnant.
561
00:27:14,771 --> 00:27:16,427
And now you're telling me
I almost have no chance."
562
00:27:16,462 --> 00:27:19,603
As a woman
ages, not only does the quantity
563
00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:21,260
of her eggs decline,
564
00:27:21,294 --> 00:27:24,470
but so does the health of
her eggs.
565
00:27:24,504 --> 00:27:26,783
There's a crucial moment during
fertilization,
566
00:27:26,817 --> 00:27:28,439
when the egg needs to eject
567
00:27:28,474 --> 00:27:30,787
exactly half of its
chromosomes...
568
00:27:30,821 --> 00:27:32,478
with perfect precision.
569
00:27:32,512 --> 00:27:34,445
Eggs are aging as you get older.
570
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,551
And they don't release
the chromosomes
571
00:27:36,585 --> 00:27:38,208
until they're ovulated and
fertilized.
572
00:27:38,242 --> 00:27:41,073
And that's, you know,
this graphic here...
573
00:27:41,107 --> 00:27:44,110
which shows a sperm and an egg.
574
00:27:44,145 --> 00:27:46,423
This is the egg kicking out half
the chromosomes.
575
00:27:46,457 --> 00:27:49,702
When this egg is 25, it's moving
the chromosomes around
576
00:27:49,737 --> 00:27:52,118
with 25-year-old machinery
577
00:27:52,153 --> 00:27:53,775
versus 40-year-old machinery,
578
00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:55,052
you're going to see
more mistakes
579
00:27:55,087 --> 00:27:56,122
where a chromosome goes where
it shouldn't.
580
00:27:56,157 --> 00:27:58,746
And, for instance,
Chromosome 21,
581
00:27:58,780 --> 00:28:01,783
there should be one copy here
and one copy there.
582
00:28:01,818 --> 00:28:05,338
But sometimes
an egg, especially an older egg,
583
00:28:05,373 --> 00:28:08,065
fails to eject its extra copy.
584
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:09,342
Now all of a
sudden, you've got an embryo
585
00:28:09,377 --> 00:28:11,103
that has three copies of
Chromosome 21,
586
00:28:11,137 --> 00:28:13,795
trisomy 21, that's
Down Syndrome.
587
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:18,731
In the last decade, egg
freezing has become increasingly popular
588
00:28:18,766 --> 00:28:20,664
for women interested in
delaying childbirth
589
00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:24,357
or who are going to
undergo chemotherapy.
590
00:28:24,392 --> 00:28:25,531
I'm asked all the time
591
00:28:25,565 --> 00:28:27,844
what is the ideal age
to freeze eggs.
592
00:28:27,878 --> 00:28:31,019
And I think that somewhere
between 28 and 34.
593
00:28:31,054 --> 00:28:34,609
That's because in that window,
594
00:28:34,643 --> 00:28:36,576
the quality of the eggs and
the quantity of the eggs
595
00:28:36,611 --> 00:28:38,578
is still optimal.
596
00:28:38,613 --> 00:28:40,926
After 35, it is possible to
freeze eggs
597
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,652
but the outcomes are not quite
as successful.
598
00:28:43,687 --> 00:28:46,621
Egg freezing
is one of the greatest discoveries
599
00:28:46,655 --> 00:28:49,831
in modern times.
600
00:28:49,866 --> 00:28:51,833
It is a huge game-changer.
601
00:28:51,868 --> 00:28:55,699
It allows women to donate eggs
to themselves
602
00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:58,702
at a time when they may not have
as many options.
603
00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:00,980
It allows women to choose
partners
604
00:29:01,015 --> 00:29:03,707
based on things that are
not related
605
00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:06,641
to their biological clock.
606
00:29:09,299 --> 00:29:11,991
When I
first saw him in the hospital
607
00:29:12,026 --> 00:29:13,993
and everyone's screaming at me
to push,
608
00:29:14,028 --> 00:29:15,995
and they're screaming at me
to slow down.
609
00:29:16,030 --> 00:29:19,896
And then everything goes
completely silent.
610
00:29:22,277 --> 00:29:25,280
And I hear him come out
611
00:29:25,315 --> 00:29:27,006
and then they lift him up in
the light
612
00:29:27,041 --> 00:29:28,249
and I get to see him for
the first time.
613
00:29:29,698 --> 00:29:33,875
And he opens his mouth,
and he just starts to cry,
614
00:29:33,910 --> 00:29:37,983
which was the most amazing sound
I've ever heard.
615
00:29:42,608 --> 00:29:45,956
Creating a baby
was the last thing on Trystan's mind
616
00:29:45,991 --> 00:29:48,510
as he searched for his identity.
617
00:29:48,545 --> 00:29:52,066
I, like many people,
always did feel
618
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:54,068
there was something different
about me.
619
00:29:54,102 --> 00:29:56,449
And I think, tragically,
620
00:29:56,484 --> 00:29:58,072
I actually felt that there was
something wrong with me,
621
00:29:58,106 --> 00:30:00,074
that I was broken.
622
00:30:00,108 --> 00:30:03,456
For me it was just excruciating
and it came to the point
623
00:30:03,491 --> 00:30:05,079
where I didn't believe that I
could continue
624
00:30:05,113 --> 00:30:07,529
to live a kind of life
that I was living.
625
00:30:07,564 --> 00:30:11,464
And it really wasn't until
I was 18 or 19
626
00:30:11,499 --> 00:30:13,432
when I realized, "Oh, my God,
I'm not broken at all,
627
00:30:13,466 --> 00:30:15,054
I'm just transgender."
628
00:30:15,089 --> 00:30:18,644
When I finally did tell my mom
specifically,
629
00:30:18,678 --> 00:30:21,198
you know, "I'm transgender.
I'm going to be transitioning,"
630
00:30:21,233 --> 00:30:23,822
you know, I just watched her
face fall.
631
00:30:23,856 --> 00:30:25,824
And it's not that she's
transphobic,
632
00:30:25,858 --> 00:30:27,826
she just truly believed that
it meant choosing
633
00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:30,656
an unhappy life for myself.
634
00:30:30,690 --> 00:30:32,623
For people who
have gender dysphoria,
635
00:30:32,658 --> 00:30:34,004
what that means is that
636
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,007
they have a really distressing
discomfort
637
00:30:37,042 --> 00:30:40,459
because there's a discrepancy
in their gender identity
638
00:30:40,493 --> 00:30:43,013
and how they appear on
the outside
639
00:30:43,048 --> 00:30:45,498
or the sex they were assigned
at birth.
640
00:30:45,533 --> 00:30:47,742
So, by matching their physical
appearance
641
00:30:47,776 --> 00:30:49,019
to their gender identity,
642
00:30:49,054 --> 00:30:51,021
that allows the world to
perceive them
643
00:30:51,056 --> 00:30:53,506
as they already perceive
themselves.
644
00:30:53,541 --> 00:30:57,545
Trying to match
his appearance to his identity,
645
00:30:57,579 --> 00:31:00,030
Trystan turned to testosterone.
646
00:31:00,065 --> 00:31:01,652
Looking back on it now,
647
00:31:01,687 --> 00:31:04,586
I'm like, "Oh, I took
testosterone
648
00:31:04,621 --> 00:31:06,657
from the black market."
649
00:31:06,692 --> 00:31:10,592
And that is a really, really,
really dumb idea.
650
00:31:10,627 --> 00:31:12,698
Because your whole endocrine
system
651
00:31:12,732 --> 00:31:14,700
is a very delicate
constellation.
652
00:31:14,734 --> 00:31:16,357
It's like a spiderweb.
653
00:31:16,391 --> 00:31:18,359
You know, you pull on one piece
and everything else goes.
654
00:31:18,393 --> 00:31:20,361
There's a complex signaling
655
00:31:20,395 --> 00:31:22,397
that occurs naturally in men
and women,
656
00:31:22,432 --> 00:31:26,263
where there's hormone signals
that come from your brain
657
00:31:26,298 --> 00:31:28,265
that speak to the ovaries and
speak to the testes.
658
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:32,269
When you take testosterone or
you take estrogen,
659
00:31:32,304 --> 00:31:35,859
those hormones then take over
the signaling
660
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:38,413
that would normally be driven
by the brain.
661
00:31:38,448 --> 00:31:41,037
And that can have implications
for reproductive health.
662
00:31:41,071 --> 00:31:42,901
For example, testosterone
therapy
663
00:31:42,935 --> 00:31:45,351
can lead to increased risks
of stroke,
664
00:31:45,386 --> 00:31:47,353
heart attacks, blood clots.
665
00:31:47,388 --> 00:31:49,528
You should really be under
doctor supervision,
666
00:31:49,562 --> 00:31:53,359
or if not a doctor but a nurse
or a naturopathic doctor,
667
00:31:53,394 --> 00:31:56,293
but someone who has advanced
training in hormone management.
668
00:31:56,328 --> 00:31:59,365
But a lot of L.G.B.T.Q. people
take risks with their health
669
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,780
because they're scared.
670
00:32:08,685 --> 00:32:11,895
Discrimination
towards the L.G.B.T.Q.+ community
671
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:13,897
has hindered access to
healthcare
672
00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:16,935
and led to misperceptions.
673
00:32:16,969 --> 00:32:18,971
The message
has always been that, like,
674
00:32:19,006 --> 00:32:21,767
gay people are dangerous to
children,
675
00:32:21,801 --> 00:32:23,700
that gay people shouldn't
raise children.
676
00:32:23,734 --> 00:32:25,564
That, like, we are the opposite
of family.
677
00:32:25,598 --> 00:32:26,668
We destroy family.
678
00:32:28,739 --> 00:32:31,984
When it became clear that
Lucas and Haley,
679
00:32:32,019 --> 00:32:34,607
my biological niece and nephew,
were going to need a home,
680
00:32:34,642 --> 00:32:35,919
it was pretty clear that we were
681
00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:38,957
going to be the only people
that could take them.
682
00:32:38,991 --> 00:32:41,200
Or they would need to go
into foster care.
683
00:32:41,235 --> 00:32:42,961
And so,
684
00:32:42,995 --> 00:32:44,583
you know we had a discussion
685
00:32:44,617 --> 00:32:46,516
and Trystan was, like,
very supportive.
686
00:32:46,550 --> 00:32:48,483
Was like yes, let's do this,
let's take them.
687
00:32:48,518 --> 00:32:50,140
Did you concentrate?
688
00:32:50,175 --> 00:32:51,900
Concentrate means
you work very hard...
689
00:32:51,935 --> 00:32:53,592
It never
occurred to me until I met Biff,
690
00:32:53,626 --> 00:32:54,903
I started thinking,
691
00:32:54,938 --> 00:32:56,802
you know, I would love to have
a family with him.
692
00:32:56,836 --> 00:32:59,874
And seeing him with kids
I was just like,
693
00:32:59,908 --> 00:33:01,945
that door could open for us.
694
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:05,776
We could have a physical
manifestation of this, you know,
695
00:33:05,811 --> 00:33:09,918
profound and true experience of
love we have for each other.
696
00:33:09,953 --> 00:33:10,919
Many people like me
697
00:33:10,954 --> 00:33:12,956
don't ever have the opportunity
698
00:33:12,991 --> 00:33:17,029
to have a kid that is
biologically connected to them,
699
00:33:17,064 --> 00:33:20,860
either because the reproductive
systems don't match up
700
00:33:20,895 --> 00:33:22,862
or they don't have the
resources.
701
00:33:22,897 --> 00:33:23,863
And in many cases I think people
702
00:33:23,898 --> 00:33:25,900
don't even imagine.
703
00:33:25,934 --> 00:33:27,212
That was one thing that
people would always say,
704
00:33:27,246 --> 00:33:29,421
is, like, two men can't
make a baby.
705
00:33:29,455 --> 00:33:30,905
And so, I'm sort of like,
706
00:33:30,939 --> 00:33:33,390
"Watch us."
707
00:33:34,736 --> 00:33:37,429
How do two men make a baby?
708
00:33:37,463 --> 00:33:40,535
Hormone treatment can
suppress the reproductive system.
709
00:33:40,570 --> 00:33:45,437
So, for example, a transgender
man who is taking testosterone
710
00:33:45,471 --> 00:33:47,370
will experience a cessation
of menses.
711
00:33:47,404 --> 00:33:49,372
So, periods will stop coming.
712
00:33:49,406 --> 00:33:52,375
And that's actually an intended
consequence of the treatment.
713
00:33:52,409 --> 00:33:55,378
But in addition, it will
suppress the ovaries
714
00:33:55,412 --> 00:33:57,552
so that he is no longer
ovulating.
715
00:33:57,587 --> 00:33:59,554
When they come off of
testosterone,
716
00:33:59,589 --> 00:34:02,143
there are reports that the
menses will return.
717
00:34:02,178 --> 00:34:06,147
Testosterone really acts to
the ovulatory system
718
00:34:06,182 --> 00:34:08,149
the same way that any
hormonal birth control
719
00:34:08,184 --> 00:34:11,773
that stops ovulation and
menstruation impacts the system.
720
00:34:11,808 --> 00:34:12,878
It just hits pause
721
00:34:12,912 --> 00:34:15,812
on the sort of
egg maturing factory.
722
00:34:15,846 --> 00:34:18,849
And when you go off
testosterone, as I did
723
00:34:18,884 --> 00:34:20,851
it takes a few months,
724
00:34:20,886 --> 00:34:22,888
and then the egg maturing
factory
725
00:34:22,922 --> 00:34:25,960
kicks back into gear and
you ovulate and menstruate
726
00:34:25,994 --> 00:34:28,169
just as you had before.
727
00:34:28,204 --> 00:34:30,171
There have
been reports of pregnancies.
728
00:34:30,206 --> 00:34:33,174
But what we don't know is
if a person has been
729
00:34:33,209 --> 00:34:36,177
on testosterone for
a long period of time,
730
00:34:36,212 --> 00:34:37,903
is that return of ovarian
function
731
00:34:37,937 --> 00:34:39,422
going to actually occur.
732
00:34:39,456 --> 00:34:42,425
If you want to see the belly,
I'm actually wearing a whole...
733
00:34:42,459 --> 00:34:45,359
Trystan had been
taking testosterone for 12 years
734
00:34:45,393 --> 00:34:47,533
before trying to get pregnant.
735
00:34:47,568 --> 00:34:49,673
After experiencing a
miscarriage,
736
00:34:49,708 --> 00:34:51,537
he soon became pregnant
with Leo.
737
00:34:51,572 --> 00:34:53,677
gigantic giant.
738
00:34:53,712 --> 00:34:55,817
Leo looks so much
like you that people just assume
739
00:34:55,852 --> 00:34:57,819
that I wasn't involved at all.
740
00:34:59,580 --> 00:35:01,547
They do assume that we
had a surrogate
741
00:35:01,582 --> 00:35:04,550
and just used my sperm for that.
742
00:35:04,585 --> 00:35:05,551
We did have a surrogate
743
00:35:05,586 --> 00:35:06,863
and we did use my sperm.
744
00:35:06,897 --> 00:35:08,209
It was me, I was my
own surrogate.
745
00:35:08,244 --> 00:35:09,107
Trystan was the surrogate.
746
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:12,317
How do you navigate pregnancy
747
00:35:12,351 --> 00:35:14,112
as a transgender man?
748
00:35:14,146 --> 00:35:16,390
Maybe you feel conflicted about
749
00:35:16,424 --> 00:35:18,392
or even negative about
having breasts.
750
00:35:18,426 --> 00:35:22,534
But now, that's being used to
nourish a human.
751
00:35:22,568 --> 00:35:25,261
Maybe you felt conflicted about
having a uterus to begin with,
752
00:35:25,295 --> 00:35:26,676
now it's being used to grow a
person...
753
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:27,608
you're building a family.
754
00:35:29,299 --> 00:35:30,611
Trystan felt
grateful that he was able
755
00:35:30,645 --> 00:35:32,820
to become pregnant and
give birth.
756
00:35:32,854 --> 00:35:35,754
But for patients about to
transition,
757
00:35:35,788 --> 00:35:39,206
there are steps they can take to
preserve their fertility.
758
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:42,209
In patients who are undergoing
gender-affirming therapy,
759
00:35:42,243 --> 00:35:45,212
I think it's important that they
are presented with the option
760
00:35:45,246 --> 00:35:48,456
to either freeze eggs or
freeze sperm
761
00:35:48,491 --> 00:35:50,458
before they start those
treatments.
762
00:35:50,493 --> 00:35:52,564
Fertility
preservation is invasive.
763
00:35:52,598 --> 00:35:53,565
It is very expensive.
764
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,567
And it takes a long time.
765
00:35:55,601 --> 00:35:56,913
It can take weeks or
even months,
766
00:35:56,947 --> 00:35:59,881
depending on how successful the
first retrieval is.
767
00:35:59,916 --> 00:36:02,539
And a majority of trans adults
768
00:36:02,574 --> 00:36:04,092
who say they wish they'd
preserved their fertility,
769
00:36:04,127 --> 00:36:05,232
they said that they were
not counseled,
770
00:36:05,266 --> 00:36:06,543
they didn't think about it.
771
00:36:06,578 --> 00:36:09,097
Counseling the younger group
772
00:36:09,132 --> 00:36:10,547
about fertility preservation
773
00:36:10,582 --> 00:36:14,241
before gender-affirming therapy
is particularly challenging
774
00:36:14,275 --> 00:36:16,484
because these are teenagers.
775
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:18,279
And many times,
they're so distraught
776
00:36:18,314 --> 00:36:20,005
by their gender dysphoria,
777
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,870
that they're really eager
to start
778
00:36:22,904 --> 00:36:25,873
their gender-affirming
treatments.
779
00:36:25,907 --> 00:36:28,324
Honestly if you had told me
at age 22,
780
00:36:28,358 --> 00:36:30,326
you know, you have to choose
between transitioning
781
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,362
and ever having a
biological child,
782
00:36:32,397 --> 00:36:36,332
it would not have taken me one
second to make that decision.
783
00:36:36,366 --> 00:36:37,333
I would have chosen transition.
784
00:36:37,367 --> 00:36:39,335
I thought I was choosing
transition
785
00:36:39,369 --> 00:36:41,233
over ever having a family,
786
00:36:41,268 --> 00:36:43,994
ever falling in love,
ever having community support,
787
00:36:44,029 --> 00:36:46,376
ever getting married.
788
00:36:46,411 --> 00:36:48,378
What the
research has shown is that
789
00:36:48,413 --> 00:36:52,071
at least 50% of transgender men
and women
790
00:36:52,106 --> 00:36:55,040
do wish to have children or
have a family in the future.
791
00:36:55,074 --> 00:36:57,732
Okay, Leo...
792
00:36:57,767 --> 00:37:01,771
Change comes from
moving into the place that's hard
793
00:37:01,805 --> 00:37:03,773
and looking for the light.
794
00:37:03,807 --> 00:37:08,743
Often when you say like, "Well,
why don't you just adopt?"
795
00:37:08,778 --> 00:37:11,505
It's rooted in this belief that
we shouldn't have access
796
00:37:11,539 --> 00:37:14,749
to the same things as
everyone else.
797
00:37:14,784 --> 00:37:17,752
I don't want to be like men who
are not transgender.
798
00:37:17,787 --> 00:37:19,720
I feel like what I am is unique.
799
00:37:19,754 --> 00:37:20,997
It's powerful, it's a gift.
800
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:23,862
If I had been assigned male
at birth,
801
00:37:23,896 --> 00:37:26,036
I never would have had Leo.
802
00:37:27,831 --> 00:37:29,799
So when I look at me pregnant,
803
00:37:29,833 --> 00:37:32,422
you know, I'm just one of
the many men
804
00:37:32,457 --> 00:37:35,494
who happen to be unique
in that we can create life.
805
00:37:35,529 --> 00:37:37,462
And I think that's pretty cool.
806
00:37:45,573 --> 00:37:47,506
Hi
Cassie, it's Dr. Batcheller calling,
807
00:37:47,541 --> 00:37:51,579
I was just calling you with some
excellent news this morning.
808
00:37:51,614 --> 00:37:52,615
I wanted to call and
let you know
809
00:37:52,649 --> 00:37:54,617
that we have your CCS
results back
810
00:37:54,651 --> 00:37:57,516
and that both of these embryos
are normal
811
00:37:57,551 --> 00:37:59,587
and available for transfer,
which is pretty exciting.
812
00:37:59,622 --> 00:38:01,451
We got that call
813
00:38:01,486 --> 00:38:04,454
and it was two embryos
814
00:38:04,489 --> 00:38:06,594
and they're both normal,
815
00:38:06,629 --> 00:38:08,320
and they're both baby girls.
816
00:38:08,355 --> 00:38:11,737
So, we're super excited,
at least I am
817
00:38:11,772 --> 00:38:13,118
about the girl part.
818
00:38:13,152 --> 00:38:15,707
Both of
Cassie and Zack's embryos
819
00:38:15,741 --> 00:38:17,847
were frozen and one has been
thawed out
820
00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:20,367
to be transferred today.
821
00:38:20,401 --> 00:38:23,646
Our embryo today is a 5BB,
that's the grade of it,
822
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,650
and frozen embryo transfer
and it's a baby girl.
823
00:38:27,684 --> 00:38:30,653
And then Jos... baby Joseph,
January 2020.
824
00:38:30,687 --> 00:38:32,655
So today's the day,
825
00:38:32,689 --> 00:38:35,658
we waited four years for this,
so we're over the moon excited.
826
00:38:35,692 --> 00:38:37,384
Are you guys ready?
827
00:38:37,418 --> 00:38:38,661
Yes.
Yes.
828
00:38:38,695 --> 00:38:40,525
All right, I'm ready too.
829
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:42,906
So, we're here today doing
Cassie and Zack's transfer
830
00:38:42,941 --> 00:38:44,908
after a long road of
going through
831
00:38:44,943 --> 00:38:46,910
several I.V.F. cycles
to get here.
832
00:38:46,945 --> 00:38:49,085
So, we warmed up their embryo
a few hours ago
833
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,087
and then transferred it
successfully.
834
00:38:51,121 --> 00:38:52,640
Everything went very
smoothly today.
835
00:38:52,675 --> 00:38:55,471
So now we are just in
the nine-day waiting period.
836
00:39:02,409 --> 00:39:06,378
It's been five years,
four embryos,
837
00:39:06,413 --> 00:39:11,418
three transfers,
zero pregnancies, for me.
838
00:39:11,452 --> 00:39:18,114
And then one mosaic embryo,
one surrogate, and our baby.
839
00:39:20,254 --> 00:39:22,256
Infertility just feels like
840
00:39:22,290 --> 00:39:28,193
a special little corner of hell
that just goes on and on and on.
841
00:39:28,227 --> 00:39:30,195
And you can keep throwing money
into it
842
00:39:30,229 --> 00:39:33,163
and time and sadness and blood
and sweat and tears,
843
00:39:33,198 --> 00:39:34,924
and you may end up with nothing.
844
00:39:38,962 --> 00:39:40,550
I don't like to say
that it's a miracle
845
00:39:40,585 --> 00:39:43,864
because that doesn't have the
smack of truth to it.
846
00:39:43,898 --> 00:39:46,867
She is the spoils of war.
847
00:39:46,901 --> 00:39:48,869
She is the result
848
00:39:48,903 --> 00:39:51,078
of many years of battle.
849
00:39:51,112 --> 00:39:53,114
And she is our victory.
850
00:39:53,149 --> 00:39:57,464
After four years
and three failed cycles of I.V.F.,
851
00:39:57,498 --> 00:40:02,158
Erin was diagnosed with
recurrent implantation failure...
852
00:40:02,192 --> 00:40:04,471
meaning her embryos were unable
to embed themselves
853
00:40:04,505 --> 00:40:06,127
into the wall of her uterus.
854
00:40:06,162 --> 00:40:07,474
Erin came to me.
855
00:40:07,508 --> 00:40:09,337
She was frustrated,
she wanted answers,
856
00:40:09,372 --> 00:40:11,167
she didn't have a diagnosis.
857
00:40:11,201 --> 00:40:15,516
Testing pointed to
an issue with Erin's immune system...
858
00:40:15,551 --> 00:40:18,899
it was identifying her embryos
as foreign.
859
00:40:18,933 --> 00:40:20,348
That's why
860
00:40:20,383 --> 00:40:24,767
we decided as a team to consider
using a gestational carrier.
861
00:40:24,801 --> 00:40:28,356
Before
transferring any of Erin's embryos
862
00:40:28,391 --> 00:40:30,635
to the gestational carrier,
or surrogate,
863
00:40:30,669 --> 00:40:32,637
Dr. Aimee Evyazzadeh used
864
00:40:32,671 --> 00:40:36,641
pre-implantation genetic
testing, or P.G.T.,
865
00:40:36,675 --> 00:40:39,644
to make sure they had the
correct number of chromosomes.
866
00:40:39,678 --> 00:40:42,543
Offered at most I.V.F. clinics,
867
00:40:42,578 --> 00:40:46,478
the test is used by about 35%
of patients
868
00:40:46,513 --> 00:40:50,517
and can cost between $1,500
to $5,500.
869
00:40:50,551 --> 00:40:55,487
This test is typically done when
an embryo is about five days old
870
00:40:55,522 --> 00:40:58,525
and has divided to roughly
300 cells.
871
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:02,529
The inner cell mass is what
could develop into a fetus.
872
00:41:02,563 --> 00:41:05,497
The outer layer of cells...
called the trophectoderm...
873
00:41:05,532 --> 00:41:08,396
is what could develop into
the placenta.
874
00:41:08,431 --> 00:41:12,366
An embryologist plucks just a
few cells from this outer layer
875
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,402
and a lab performs a genetic
test on them
876
00:41:14,437 --> 00:41:18,406
to count how many chromosomes
each cell contains.
877
00:41:18,441 --> 00:41:21,789
Based on this test, the embryos
are generally classified
878
00:41:21,824 --> 00:41:24,378
as "abnormal" or "normal."
879
00:41:24,412 --> 00:41:26,380
But if the sample contains
a mixture
880
00:41:26,414 --> 00:41:29,383
of genetically normal and
abnormal cells,
881
00:41:29,417 --> 00:41:32,386
then the embryo is considered
"mosaic."
882
00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:34,388
We had four embryos left.
883
00:41:34,422 --> 00:41:35,700
One of them was abnormal,
884
00:41:35,734 --> 00:41:37,702
two of them were normal,
885
00:41:37,736 --> 00:41:39,704
and one of them was mosaic.
886
00:41:39,738 --> 00:41:41,913
So, you think, I want to get
my best chance.
887
00:41:41,947 --> 00:41:43,777
And so I want to use the embryo
that looks the best,
888
00:41:43,811 --> 00:41:44,916
that has the highest grade,
889
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:47,919
and that has really good genetic
testing results.
890
00:41:47,953 --> 00:41:49,921
And I don't want to use these
garbage embryos
891
00:41:49,955 --> 00:41:51,336
that have tested abnormal
892
00:41:51,370 --> 00:41:52,993
or partially abnormal
like a mosaic.
893
00:41:53,027 --> 00:41:57,307
One of the normal
embryos did, not survive the thaw
894
00:41:57,342 --> 00:42:00,276
so Erin and her husband Gary
considered transferring
895
00:42:00,310 --> 00:42:03,037
the mosaic embryo with the
remaining normal one.
896
00:42:03,072 --> 00:42:04,280
We knew we would transfer
897
00:42:04,314 --> 00:42:06,075
this one healthy one
that we had left
898
00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:07,041
but then the question was,
899
00:42:07,076 --> 00:42:08,077
what do we do
900
00:42:08,111 --> 00:42:10,079
with the mosaic embryo
that's left?
901
00:42:10,113 --> 00:42:13,082
We also didn't want
to discard it. Right.
902
00:42:13,116 --> 00:42:15,084
Because there was a certain
percentage chance
903
00:42:15,118 --> 00:42:17,086
that it could result
in a healthy pregnancy.
904
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:22,091
In the end, one
normal embryo and one mosaic embryo
905
00:42:22,125 --> 00:42:25,232
were transferred into
the surrogate.
906
00:42:25,266 --> 00:42:28,235
Soon after, Erin and Gary got
good news.
907
00:42:28,269 --> 00:42:32,653
Fortunately, we got
positive pregnancy results.
908
00:42:32,688 --> 00:42:34,241
So, we knew our surrogate
was pregnant.
909
00:42:34,275 --> 00:42:37,244
The two embryos were
different sexes.
910
00:42:37,278 --> 00:42:39,246
So, the healthy one was
a male embryo
911
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,905
and the mosaic embryo was
a female.
912
00:42:42,939 --> 00:42:45,908
When we were told there
was just one
913
00:42:45,942 --> 00:42:47,668
and that it had implanted,
914
00:42:47,703 --> 00:42:49,394
we assumed that we were
having a boy.
915
00:42:51,707 --> 00:42:53,674
A blood test revealed a girl.
916
00:42:53,709 --> 00:42:56,677
The mosaic embryo had implanted.
917
00:42:56,712 --> 00:42:58,679
In discussing
the risks associated
918
00:42:58,714 --> 00:43:01,682
with transferring a potentially
abnormal embryo,
919
00:43:01,717 --> 00:43:05,686
we talk about
three possible scenarios.
920
00:43:05,721 --> 00:43:08,724
One is that the embryo just
wouldn't implant.
921
00:43:08,758 --> 00:43:11,692
The second scenario is that
that embryo would implant
922
00:43:11,727 --> 00:43:13,107
and it would result in
a miscarriage.
923
00:43:13,142 --> 00:43:16,455
The third possible scenario
though is that
924
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:20,459
if the embryo truly is abnormal
and implants,
925
00:43:20,494 --> 00:43:24,429
it could result in a baby with
genetic abnormalities
926
00:43:24,463 --> 00:43:27,466
due to abnormal cells
being present.
927
00:43:27,501 --> 00:43:31,470
Before we will transfer a mosaic
embryo in any patient,
928
00:43:31,505 --> 00:43:33,680
they need to have
genetic counseling.
929
00:43:33,714 --> 00:43:36,337
That throws you into a
whole other world
930
00:43:36,372 --> 00:43:38,374
that you have to
get expertise in
931
00:43:38,408 --> 00:43:41,342
to decide if that's going
be a viable pregnancy
932
00:43:41,377 --> 00:43:43,068
and how do you find out if it is
933
00:43:43,103 --> 00:43:45,070
and will we need to look at
early termination
934
00:43:45,105 --> 00:43:47,072
or what are the odds that this
935
00:43:47,107 --> 00:43:49,074
is a miscarriage.
936
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:51,076
And if it's not,
what are the odds
937
00:43:51,111 --> 00:43:53,078
that this is a baby who will be
born with special needs.
938
00:43:53,113 --> 00:43:57,600
There have been
several case reports of patients
939
00:43:57,635 --> 00:44:01,604
who have had pregnancies from
transfer of mosaic embryos.
940
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:06,367
And I think it's too early to
say whether any of these embryos
941
00:44:06,402 --> 00:44:08,369
actually translate into
birth defects for the baby.
942
00:44:08,404 --> 00:44:14,168
Maybe later in life as we follow
these babies as they grow older,
943
00:44:14,203 --> 00:44:16,170
there might be something that's
identified
944
00:44:16,205 --> 00:44:17,724
that's related to the mosaicism.
945
00:44:20,588 --> 00:44:22,107
We're in this
world of testing everything
946
00:44:22,142 --> 00:44:23,557
and going through I.V.F.,
947
00:44:23,591 --> 00:44:25,524
we're getting all this
information that most couples
948
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:28,527
that have natural pregnancies
949
00:44:28,562 --> 00:44:31,013
never even have to face.
950
00:44:33,084 --> 00:44:35,051
What we really
care about is whether the baby
951
00:44:35,086 --> 00:44:39,021
is going to have the proper
amount of genetic material.
952
00:44:39,055 --> 00:44:40,160
But what we're testing
953
00:44:40,194 --> 00:44:42,127
is a small portion of
the trophectoderm,
954
00:44:42,162 --> 00:44:44,129
which we know is the portion of
the embryo
955
00:44:44,164 --> 00:44:47,132
that's destined to become
the placenta.
956
00:44:47,167 --> 00:44:51,136
So, there is some controversy
over how accurate this test is
957
00:44:51,171 --> 00:44:53,138
and whether we are at the point
where we should be doing it
958
00:44:53,173 --> 00:44:54,415
for all of our patients.
959
00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:57,867
Yes, go, go!
960
00:44:57,902 --> 00:44:59,973
Mother Nature's all about
spectrum, all about continuum.
961
00:45:00,007 --> 00:45:03,977
So, there's no embryo that has
all normal cells.
962
00:45:04,011 --> 00:45:06,980
If 70% of the cells
are abnormal,
963
00:45:07,014 --> 00:45:08,947
those are called
high-level mosaic.
964
00:45:11,018 --> 00:45:13,607
If only 30% of the cells
are abnormal,
965
00:45:13,641 --> 00:45:15,643
those are low-level mosaics.
966
00:45:15,678 --> 00:45:18,646
When fewer
abnormal cells are present,
967
00:45:18,681 --> 00:45:21,546
miscarriage rates are
predicted to go down
968
00:45:21,580 --> 00:45:24,514
and the chances for
a live birth increase.
969
00:45:24,549 --> 00:45:26,620
There seems to be
a better outcome
970
00:45:26,654 --> 00:45:28,449
with the lower level mosaics
over the high-level mosaics,
971
00:45:28,484 --> 00:45:29,485
but we're still learning that.
972
00:45:31,211 --> 00:45:33,834
There is actually a
lot of research that suggests that
973
00:45:33,869 --> 00:45:35,836
the embryo may be capable of
correcting itself
974
00:45:35,871 --> 00:45:37,148
once it's inside.
975
00:45:38,287 --> 00:45:41,290
But how?
976
00:45:41,324 --> 00:45:44,293
Researchers... including
Dr. Shawn Chavez...
977
00:45:44,327 --> 00:45:47,227
have found evidence that
suggests that on day four,
978
00:45:47,261 --> 00:45:50,402
the embryo performs a
self-inspection.
979
00:45:50,437 --> 00:45:52,991
I like to liken it to
a card game.
980
00:45:53,026 --> 00:45:57,547
So that you can actually share
information with your neighbor.
981
00:45:57,582 --> 00:46:00,550
And so you can start to decide,
based on your card game,
982
00:46:00,585 --> 00:46:04,554
who looks good to become
a placental cell,
983
00:46:04,589 --> 00:46:06,556
part of the placenta,
and who looks good
984
00:46:06,591 --> 00:46:08,524
to become part of
the inner cell mass,
985
00:46:08,558 --> 00:46:11,389
which is going to become
an embryo.
986
00:46:13,632 --> 00:46:15,600
At this developmental stage,
987
00:46:15,634 --> 00:46:18,603
Dr. Chavez has noticed embryos
discarding cells
988
00:46:18,637 --> 00:46:22,607
or fragments of cells that are
chromosomally damaged.
989
00:46:22,641 --> 00:46:25,990
They have a
significant amount of DNA damage.
990
00:46:26,024 --> 00:46:28,924
And we think that the embryo
actually knows that it's there
991
00:46:28,958 --> 00:46:30,718
and basically has a signal to
it that says,
992
00:46:30,753 --> 00:46:32,168
"You are not going to divide
993
00:46:32,203 --> 00:46:34,170
"because you're chromosomally
abnormal
994
00:46:34,205 --> 00:46:37,173
and your DNA is highly damaged."
995
00:46:37,208 --> 00:46:39,382
I really like to point out
your attention
996
00:46:39,417 --> 00:46:42,972
is this large excluded cell.
997
00:46:43,007 --> 00:46:45,388
So, you can see based on
its size,
998
00:46:45,423 --> 00:46:48,357
it probably came from very, very
early in development.
999
00:46:48,391 --> 00:46:50,393
Besides being excluded,
1000
00:46:50,428 --> 00:46:53,017
it is never allowed to
divide again.
1001
00:46:53,051 --> 00:46:55,985
More needs to be
understood about mosaic embryos,
1002
00:46:56,020 --> 00:46:57,987
but some couples...
1003
00:46:58,022 --> 00:46:59,989
especially those who are running
out of options...
1004
00:47:00,024 --> 00:47:03,821
are deciding that the prospect
of having a healthy child
1005
00:47:03,855 --> 00:47:05,823
is worth the risks.
1006
00:47:05,857 --> 00:47:08,826
If a woman only produces
mosaic embryos,
1007
00:47:08,860 --> 00:47:11,829
most clinics don't want
that liability.
1008
00:47:11,863 --> 00:47:13,416
I think the tide is turning.
1009
00:47:13,451 --> 00:47:16,419
I think they're finally starting
to realize
1010
00:47:16,454 --> 00:47:20,009
if that's the only thing a woman
has is a mosaic embryo,
1011
00:47:20,044 --> 00:47:22,011
that they should give it a shot.
1012
00:47:22,046 --> 00:47:25,014
And so, I'm hoping that
more clinics
1013
00:47:25,049 --> 00:47:28,086
are going to accept that
responsibility.
1014
00:47:29,777 --> 00:47:31,572
Finally, in August of 2020,
1015
00:47:31,607 --> 00:47:33,574
American Society for
Reproduction Medicine
1016
00:47:33,609 --> 00:47:35,542
came out with a
committee opinion
1017
00:47:35,576 --> 00:47:37,578
saying that every single clinic
1018
00:47:37,613 --> 00:47:40,581
needs to have a policy in place
for mosaic embryos
1019
00:47:40,616 --> 00:47:42,963
and patients need to be told
about it as well.
1020
00:47:44,482 --> 00:47:46,518
Don't let a
clinic or a testing lab
1021
00:47:46,553 --> 00:47:48,520
tell you you shouldn't use
these embryos.
1022
00:47:48,555 --> 00:47:52,524
Keep them and maybe if you are
more comfortable,
1023
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:54,526
use them as a lower priority.
1024
00:47:54,561 --> 00:47:57,219
But they really could be
a real baby.
1025
00:48:06,262 --> 00:48:09,956
We transferred
baby girl a few weeks ago.
1026
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:12,959
We got a positive
pregnancy test,
1027
00:48:12,993 --> 00:48:14,926
which we were over
the moon about.
1028
00:48:14,961 --> 00:48:15,927
And a few days later,
1029
00:48:15,962 --> 00:48:18,999
my HCG level,
1030
00:48:19,034 --> 00:48:22,761
which is the indicator of
your pregnancy, went down.
1031
00:48:22,796 --> 00:48:24,971
And then it was
confirmed that I...
1032
00:48:25,005 --> 00:48:26,973
we had a miscarriage.
1033
00:48:28,629 --> 00:48:32,564
One in four women of
reproductive age will experience
1034
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:34,325
a pregnancy loss
1035
00:48:34,359 --> 00:48:36,568
at some point
in her reproductive lifetime.
1036
00:48:36,603 --> 00:48:39,778
That means 25% of women.
1037
00:48:39,813 --> 00:48:43,058
It is quite natural and
very common
1038
00:48:43,092 --> 00:48:45,060
for women to blame themselves.
1039
00:48:45,094 --> 00:48:47,062
And the first way to help
someone understand
1040
00:48:47,096 --> 00:48:49,512
it's not their fault
1041
00:48:49,547 --> 00:48:52,515
is to let them know how
common this is.
1042
00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:55,518
Through this journey we've come
closer and closer and closer
1043
00:48:55,553 --> 00:48:57,520
to being able to actually
have a child.
1044
00:48:57,555 --> 00:49:00,523
And it feels like it's
within reach.
1045
00:49:00,558 --> 00:49:03,009
It's just, just barely out
of reach.
1046
00:49:03,043 --> 00:49:04,734
Are you sleeping...
1047
00:49:04,769 --> 00:49:08,980
Cassie and Zack
have one remaining embryo to transfer.
1048
00:49:09,015 --> 00:49:12,225
For the next frozen
embryo transfer, I'm nervous.
1049
00:49:12,259 --> 00:49:14,227
I have one more embryo left.
1050
00:49:14,261 --> 00:49:16,229
This needs to work.
1051
00:49:16,263 --> 00:49:19,232
And if this doesn't work,
what's next?
1052
00:49:19,266 --> 00:49:21,130
We haven't talked about
what's next,
1053
00:49:21,165 --> 00:49:22,235
if this doesn't work,
1054
00:49:22,269 --> 00:49:25,963
because we're just praying
that it does.
1055
00:49:25,997 --> 00:49:30,864
I.V.F. succeeds
only about half the time for couples.
1056
00:49:33,729 --> 00:49:37,975
Cassie and Zack's last embryo
resulted in another miscarriage.
1057
00:49:38,009 --> 00:49:40,701
They plan to try again
with I.V.F.,
1058
00:49:40,736 --> 00:49:43,670
starting with another
surgery for Zack.
1059
00:49:47,087 --> 00:49:50,711
To hold
onto hope means to look beyond
1060
00:49:50,746 --> 00:49:54,715
what might be negative or
what might not be working out
1061
00:49:54,750 --> 00:49:57,856
in a way that you desire to
happen in that time
1062
00:49:57,891 --> 00:50:00,514
and know that something better
is going to come.
1063
00:50:03,793 --> 00:50:09,213
I went through my
third round of I.V.F. in May of 2018.
1064
00:50:09,247 --> 00:50:14,218
They retrieved two eggs,
they fertilized.
1065
00:50:14,252 --> 00:50:16,220
My doctor came into the room and
I'll never forget she said,
1066
00:50:16,254 --> 00:50:20,224
"Tiffany, they look great!"
1067
00:50:20,258 --> 00:50:25,160
And I
remember thinking, you know...
1068
00:50:25,194 --> 00:50:26,230
no one's ever said that to me.
1069
00:50:26,264 --> 00:50:27,610
No one's ever said they
look great.
1070
00:50:27,645 --> 00:50:30,096
Like this is... I have a shot.
1071
00:50:30,130 --> 00:50:33,616
And so, we put them both back in
and the rest is history.
1072
00:50:33,651 --> 00:50:36,033
I gave birth to my son
nine months later.
1073
00:50:36,067 --> 00:50:40,037
And he is everything that I
prayed for,
1074
00:50:40,071 --> 00:50:42,039
everything that I've been
waiting for,
1075
00:50:42,073 --> 00:50:44,179
everything that, like,
I didn't know I needed.
1076
00:50:47,423 --> 00:50:49,701
Reverend Stacey
Edwards-Dunn and her husband Earl
1077
00:50:49,736 --> 00:50:53,119
decided to try one last time.
1078
00:50:53,153 --> 00:50:54,396
After
seven years, I just told her,
1079
00:50:54,430 --> 00:50:57,502
I said, "Let's try one
more time,"
1080
00:50:57,537 --> 00:50:58,814
because I think I had a
good feeling.
1081
00:50:58,848 --> 00:51:01,713
Our bonding together,
our faiths together,
1082
00:51:01,748 --> 00:51:04,544
that, that whole collectiveness.
1083
00:51:06,615 --> 00:51:09,066
On
January 2, we received the call
1084
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:12,069
from the doctor around 2:30.
1085
00:51:12,103 --> 00:51:14,105
Everything, like the world
seemed to stop.
1086
00:51:14,140 --> 00:51:17,074
The doctor, the nurses,
everybody was on the phone,
1087
00:51:17,108 --> 00:51:19,076
saying, "We call with good news.
1088
00:51:19,110 --> 00:51:20,732
We want you to know that you
are pregnant."
1089
00:51:26,773 --> 00:51:27,774
Our daughter that... Shiloh,
1090
00:51:27,808 --> 00:51:30,570
that was born on September 11...
1091
00:51:30,604 --> 00:51:33,573
she is she's a gift to so many.
1092
00:51:33,607 --> 00:51:36,576
Whether your path is becoming
pregnant naturally
1093
00:51:36,610 --> 00:51:39,648
or becoming a parent
through I.V.F.,
1094
00:51:39,682 --> 00:51:41,684
donor eggs, donor sperm,
1095
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,309
surrogacy, embryo adoption,
or adoption...
1096
00:51:45,343 --> 00:51:49,313
there is a plan or
a path for you.
1097
00:51:49,347 --> 00:51:54,318
That's what you hold onto and
know at the end of the path,
1098
00:51:54,352 --> 00:51:56,354
there is a miracle waiting
for you.
1099
00:51:56,389 --> 00:52:00,979
And whatever path that is,
the path isn't deficient,
1100
00:52:01,014 --> 00:52:03,189
it's just different.
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