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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,637 --> 00:00:18,949 This is what I.V.F. looks like. 2 00:00:21,469 --> 00:00:22,608 Wow. 3 00:00:22,643 --> 00:00:25,611 This is what my life is going to be consumed of. 4 00:00:25,646 --> 00:00:28,580 All these meds in 20 days, 5 00:00:28,614 --> 00:00:30,582 thousands of dollars. 6 00:00:30,616 --> 00:00:33,550 This is I.V.F. 7 00:00:35,414 --> 00:00:38,590 Infertility just feels like a special little corner of hell 8 00:00:38,624 --> 00:00:41,834 that just goes on and on and on. 9 00:00:41,869 --> 00:00:43,974 Every community has that taboo subject, 10 00:00:44,009 --> 00:00:46,425 that thing they just don't talk about at the dinner table, 11 00:00:46,460 --> 00:00:48,669 and fertility is ours. 12 00:00:48,703 --> 00:00:50,360 Black women are struggling with infertility 13 00:00:50,395 --> 00:00:52,362 at almost two times the rate as 14 00:00:52,397 --> 00:00:54,847 our Caucasian brothers and sisters. 15 00:00:54,882 --> 00:00:56,504 I think there's an infertility pandemic. 16 00:00:56,539 --> 00:00:57,850 And I think it's getting worse. 17 00:00:57,885 --> 00:00:59,887 Infertility rates are quoted as one in eight 18 00:00:59,921 --> 00:01:02,717 but I think it's much higher. 19 00:01:02,752 --> 00:01:07,205 Men from the general population, we found that their sperm counts 20 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:10,691 had dropped 50% in 40 years. 21 00:01:10,725 --> 00:01:13,590 There's no embryo that has all normal cells. 22 00:01:13,625 --> 00:01:15,351 Mother Nature's all about spectrum. 23 00:01:15,385 --> 00:01:17,353 If you want to see the belly, 24 00:01:17,387 --> 00:01:20,390 I'm actually wearing a whole, like, belt underneath my shirt. 25 00:01:20,425 --> 00:01:22,220 One thing that people would always say 26 00:01:22,254 --> 00:01:23,497 is that two men can't make a baby. 27 00:01:23,531 --> 00:01:24,463 And so, I'm sort of like, 28 00:01:24,498 --> 00:01:25,775 "Watch us." 29 00:01:27,121 --> 00:01:28,985 No one likes hearing 30 00:01:29,019 --> 00:01:30,607 that you take Black women from America, 31 00:01:30,642 --> 00:01:33,300 put them in other countries that are supposedly 32 00:01:33,334 --> 00:01:36,682 lower resourced, and they do better. 33 00:01:36,717 --> 00:01:37,718 That is shocking. 34 00:01:39,651 --> 00:01:41,618 I don't like to say that it's a miracle. 35 00:01:41,653 --> 00:01:44,518 Because that doesn't have the smack of truth to it. 36 00:01:44,552 --> 00:01:46,554 She is the spoils of war. 37 00:02:03,951 --> 00:02:06,402 I met Zack and he was a guy 38 00:02:06,436 --> 00:02:09,405 that I just found myself falling in love with. 39 00:02:09,439 --> 00:02:13,029 And he brought out the best of me. 40 00:02:13,063 --> 00:02:14,030 You just get excited 41 00:02:14,064 --> 00:02:16,032 about the prospect of having a family 42 00:02:16,066 --> 00:02:18,448 and you meet the girl of your dreams 43 00:02:18,483 --> 00:02:20,588 and then you decide, you know, to get married. 44 00:02:20,623 --> 00:02:22,832 And you hope that kids are the next step. 45 00:02:29,908 --> 00:02:32,842 In my family, my sisters got pregnant right away, 46 00:02:32,876 --> 00:02:34,878 my mom got pregnant right away. 47 00:02:34,913 --> 00:02:37,881 So, I never thought that infertility would be a word 48 00:02:37,916 --> 00:02:40,367 that I would have to use in my own personal life. 49 00:02:40,401 --> 00:02:41,747 And we tried for years. 50 00:02:41,782 --> 00:02:43,749 Everybody gave us advice... 51 00:02:43,784 --> 00:02:44,819 "Well, you just need to relax 52 00:02:44,854 --> 00:02:46,821 "and, you know, it'll happen. 53 00:02:46,856 --> 00:02:49,652 Just... you guys are just too stressed." 54 00:02:49,686 --> 00:02:52,689 And we kept trying 55 00:02:52,724 --> 00:02:54,691 and eventually we both reached a point 56 00:02:54,726 --> 00:02:56,210 where we said something's wrong. 57 00:02:56,245 --> 00:02:59,248 After a year, I went in to the doctor. 58 00:02:59,282 --> 00:03:01,388 They took my labs, a few days later they called me back 59 00:03:01,422 --> 00:03:04,045 and said you know, "You ovulate regularly, 60 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,048 all your labs, hormonal-wise, are in check." 61 00:03:07,083 --> 00:03:09,534 And so the next step would have Zack go in. 62 00:03:09,568 --> 00:03:10,569 Of course, 63 00:03:10,604 --> 00:03:12,571 my husband did not want to go in 64 00:03:12,606 --> 00:03:14,573 to the doctor. 65 00:03:14,608 --> 00:03:16,575 So, he waited for about six more months. 66 00:03:16,610 --> 00:03:18,370 So, I thought there's nothing wrong. 67 00:03:18,405 --> 00:03:20,372 There can't be anything wrong. 68 00:03:20,407 --> 00:03:23,272 That would be crazy that something was wrong. 69 00:03:25,412 --> 00:03:28,380 The doctor called me and he told me the news 70 00:03:28,415 --> 00:03:34,559 that Zack had zero sperm in his semen analysis. 71 00:03:34,593 --> 00:03:38,459 And that was the first time... 72 00:03:41,876 --> 00:03:44,016 we heard it. 73 00:03:46,536 --> 00:03:47,744 Having no sperm 74 00:03:47,779 --> 00:03:49,505 is not very uncommon. 75 00:03:49,539 --> 00:03:51,852 But most of the time there's an obvious cause... 76 00:03:51,886 --> 00:03:53,405 a man who's had a vasectomy, 77 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,028 men who are taking testosterone. 78 00:03:56,063 --> 00:03:57,133 So, in Zack's case, 79 00:03:57,167 --> 00:04:00,136 unexplained no sperm with no blockage 80 00:04:00,170 --> 00:04:02,311 is relatively uncommon. 81 00:04:02,345 --> 00:04:04,313 Sometimes, we find genetic reasons. 82 00:04:04,347 --> 00:04:07,592 That's not the case in Zack's case. 83 00:04:07,626 --> 00:04:09,318 When you're told you don't have sperm, 84 00:04:09,352 --> 00:04:11,320 you feel like you're less of a man. 85 00:04:11,354 --> 00:04:14,323 You feel like, "Well, why am I different 86 00:04:14,357 --> 00:04:15,324 "than all the other guys that are out there? 87 00:04:15,358 --> 00:04:16,980 And how am I less qualified?" 88 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:20,743 Dr. Milbank, you're in good hands. I know. 89 00:04:20,777 --> 00:04:23,642 I just have to have faith that everything is going to work out. 90 00:04:23,677 --> 00:04:26,921 I was diagnosed with non-obstructive azoospermia, 91 00:04:26,956 --> 00:04:30,270 which by definition means that there are zero sperm. 92 00:04:30,304 --> 00:04:33,307 The doctor proposed that we go in surgically 93 00:04:33,342 --> 00:04:37,346 and look in the testicle and see if there is sperm there. 94 00:04:40,107 --> 00:04:43,075 In a patient who has non-obstructive azoospermia, 95 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:45,043 what that means is that the sperm production 96 00:04:45,077 --> 00:04:47,045 is likely very compromised. 97 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:49,081 And so, in order to get sperm, 98 00:04:49,116 --> 00:04:52,326 the urologist is making an incision in the testes 99 00:04:52,361 --> 00:04:54,294 and pulling out some of the little tubules 100 00:04:54,328 --> 00:04:57,297 that will contain small amounts of sperm. 101 00:04:57,331 --> 00:04:58,988 Contrary to popular belief, 102 00:04:59,022 --> 00:05:03,303 male infertility is as common as female infertility, 103 00:05:03,337 --> 00:05:06,098 and has many causes, including abnormal sperm production, 104 00:05:06,133 --> 00:05:09,447 chronic illness, injury, 105 00:05:09,481 --> 00:05:11,207 or lifestyle choices. 106 00:05:11,241 --> 00:05:12,691 Very good. 107 00:05:12,726 --> 00:05:14,555 All right, Jeff, find something good. 108 00:05:14,590 --> 00:05:17,006 Okay. 109 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,974 So, we want sperm that has 110 00:05:20,009 --> 00:05:21,148 a normal shape to it. 111 00:05:21,182 --> 00:05:23,461 The sperm that has the most normal shape 112 00:05:23,495 --> 00:05:27,016 is usually going to have a better chance for fertilization 113 00:05:27,050 --> 00:05:28,983 than sperm that has abnormal shapes. 114 00:05:29,018 --> 00:05:30,260 Found one? 115 00:05:30,295 --> 00:05:31,607 Yeah, there's a few sperm in here. 116 00:05:31,641 --> 00:05:33,022 Nice! 117 00:05:33,056 --> 00:05:37,440 This is a sperm that really has a nice head, midpiece, and tail. 118 00:05:37,475 --> 00:05:39,615 You can see it right kind of here at the center. 119 00:05:41,686 --> 00:05:43,135 So, if you think in terms of what 120 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:45,379 Zack's chances are of having a child 121 00:05:45,414 --> 00:05:48,175 without any intervention, it's zero. 122 00:05:48,209 --> 00:05:51,385 We have moved him from zero percent success to, 123 00:05:51,420 --> 00:05:55,113 at this point with sperm in the lab, 124 00:05:55,147 --> 00:05:56,252 probably about a 50% chance 125 00:05:56,286 --> 00:05:59,117 of having a child that is genetically his. 126 00:05:59,151 --> 00:06:00,463 I love you. 127 00:06:00,498 --> 00:06:01,947 I love you, too. 128 00:06:01,982 --> 00:06:05,503 I'm of course happy that they did find sperm. 129 00:06:05,537 --> 00:06:09,058 But you still have all those questions about what is next. 130 00:06:14,339 --> 00:06:16,445 If we take an average man today, 131 00:06:16,479 --> 00:06:19,448 and look at his sperm, his father's sperm, 132 00:06:19,482 --> 00:06:21,450 his grandfather's sperm... 133 00:06:21,484 --> 00:06:24,453 we see that he has on average 134 00:06:24,487 --> 00:06:29,699 about half the number of sperm as his grandfather. 135 00:06:29,734 --> 00:06:33,047 So, what we found when we looked in Western countries... 136 00:06:33,082 --> 00:06:36,637 that is men from the general population 137 00:06:36,672 --> 00:06:39,088 who didn't know whether or not they were fertile... 138 00:06:39,122 --> 00:06:44,990 we found that their sperm counts had dropped 50% in 40 years. 139 00:06:45,025 --> 00:06:49,650 Because it's not likely to be genetic. 140 00:06:49,685 --> 00:06:51,203 Why? Because it's too fast. 141 00:06:51,238 --> 00:06:54,655 It's too fast a decline for a genetic change. 142 00:06:54,690 --> 00:06:55,898 So then it's environmental. 143 00:06:57,175 --> 00:07:00,661 Lifestyle factors like smoking too much, 144 00:07:00,696 --> 00:07:02,663 binge drinking, stress. 145 00:07:02,698 --> 00:07:05,666 A man's body weight, his obesity 146 00:07:05,701 --> 00:07:09,567 is directly related to his semen quality. 147 00:07:09,601 --> 00:07:13,985 Another is the chemicals in our daily life 148 00:07:14,019 --> 00:07:16,608 that have the ability to interfere 149 00:07:16,643 --> 00:07:20,578 with the production, distribution, 150 00:07:20,612 --> 00:07:23,339 and utilization of testosterone. 151 00:07:23,373 --> 00:07:24,823 And they are part 152 00:07:24,858 --> 00:07:29,034 of a category called endocrine disruptors. 153 00:07:29,069 --> 00:07:31,036 Endocrine means hormone. 154 00:07:31,071 --> 00:07:32,521 Testosterone is a hormone. 155 00:07:32,555 --> 00:07:36,766 So, chemicals in plastic, 156 00:07:36,801 --> 00:07:39,044 soft plastic in particular, 157 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:42,565 have the ability to decrease testosterone. 158 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,741 We know that the chemicals in personal care products 159 00:07:45,775 --> 00:07:50,090 include many endocrine disruptors. 160 00:07:50,124 --> 00:07:54,094 The chemicals come into the mother's body, 161 00:07:54,128 --> 00:07:55,475 they get to the fetus, 162 00:07:55,509 --> 00:07:57,477 there's no question that they get to the fetus. 163 00:07:57,511 --> 00:08:00,445 So, this is a really critical link to the picture. 164 00:08:02,516 --> 00:08:04,449 These chemicals can reduce testosterone 165 00:08:04,484 --> 00:08:06,244 in the developing fetus... 166 00:08:06,278 --> 00:08:08,211 and that can affect males' sperm production 167 00:08:08,246 --> 00:08:11,663 and health later in life. 168 00:08:11,698 --> 00:08:13,147 The consequences, 169 00:08:13,182 --> 00:08:16,565 one of which is lowered sperm count, 170 00:08:16,599 --> 00:08:19,568 and we see a lot of that in... all over the United States. 171 00:08:19,602 --> 00:08:24,711 It's not just the number of sperm that we care about. 172 00:08:24,745 --> 00:08:26,713 We also care about the shape of the sperm, 173 00:08:26,747 --> 00:08:29,957 which has gone downhill as well. 174 00:08:29,992 --> 00:08:32,235 It's got to swim straight. 175 00:08:32,270 --> 00:08:34,168 Circles won't do. 176 00:08:34,203 --> 00:08:36,136 It's got to get to the target. 177 00:08:36,170 --> 00:08:37,551 So, what we're seeing is 178 00:08:37,586 --> 00:08:40,140 that the sperm are failing the test, 179 00:08:40,174 --> 00:08:43,246 in lots of ways. 180 00:08:43,281 --> 00:08:45,179 But healthy sperm are just one piece 181 00:08:45,214 --> 00:08:49,805 of the fertility puzzle when it comes to making a baby. 182 00:08:49,839 --> 00:08:51,807 In order for natural conception to occur, 183 00:08:51,841 --> 00:08:54,119 there are actually a lot of things that need to go right. 184 00:08:54,154 --> 00:08:56,536 So, the very first thing that needs to happen 185 00:08:56,570 --> 00:08:58,538 is there needs to be ovulation, 186 00:08:58,572 --> 00:09:00,540 which means that one mature egg 187 00:09:00,574 --> 00:09:02,576 is released from the ovary. 188 00:09:02,611 --> 00:09:05,545 That egg then needs to be picked up by the Fallopian tube 189 00:09:05,579 --> 00:09:07,547 and it lives there for about 24 hours. 190 00:09:07,581 --> 00:09:08,927 If there's sperm around, 191 00:09:08,962 --> 00:09:12,103 the sperm needs to find the egg in the Fallopian tube 192 00:09:12,137 --> 00:09:14,657 and then they join together, which we call fertilization. 193 00:09:14,692 --> 00:09:17,384 The egg now transforms and becomes an embryo. 194 00:09:17,418 --> 00:09:18,937 Reproduction is really exciting 195 00:09:18,972 --> 00:09:22,941 because it's the best example of multiplication you'll ever see. 196 00:09:22,976 --> 00:09:25,944 So, the embryo goes from one cell 197 00:09:25,979 --> 00:09:27,946 to two to four 198 00:09:27,981 --> 00:09:29,430 and it just keeps doubling. 199 00:09:29,465 --> 00:09:33,400 So that by the time the embryo gets into the womb, 200 00:09:33,434 --> 00:09:36,265 it's hundreds of cells. 201 00:09:36,299 --> 00:09:37,715 Once it's in the uterus, 202 00:09:37,749 --> 00:09:40,649 that blastocyst needs to send signals to the uterus 203 00:09:40,683 --> 00:09:42,271 and the uterus needs to send signals back 204 00:09:42,305 --> 00:09:46,275 until there's a connection, which we call implantation. 205 00:09:46,309 --> 00:09:49,278 Even when a couple has no fertility issues whatsoever, 206 00:09:49,312 --> 00:09:52,246 the chances that all of that will go right in a given month 207 00:09:52,281 --> 00:09:53,731 is only about 25% to 30%. 208 00:09:53,765 --> 00:09:55,905 Here we are. Yeah, here we are. 209 00:09:55,940 --> 00:09:57,079 My turn. 210 00:09:58,563 --> 00:10:00,289 Approximately one in eight couples 211 00:10:00,323 --> 00:10:02,394 suffer from infertility in the United States. 212 00:10:02,429 --> 00:10:03,844 I think it's a private issue 213 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:06,744 where a lot of people who are struggling with fertility issues 214 00:10:06,778 --> 00:10:08,746 don't really talk about it. 215 00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:10,748 But I think it's important that we all acknowledge, 216 00:10:10,782 --> 00:10:12,473 one in eight is a lot of people. 217 00:10:13,785 --> 00:10:17,755 Each year, about 160,000 Americans 218 00:10:17,789 --> 00:10:22,483 turn to in vitro fertilization, or I.V.F. 219 00:10:22,518 --> 00:10:25,038 In the coming weeks, Cassie will take drugs 220 00:10:25,072 --> 00:10:28,041 to stimulate the development of multiple eggs 221 00:10:28,075 --> 00:10:30,043 in hopes that they can be fertilized 222 00:10:30,077 --> 00:10:32,459 with Zack's sperm in the lab. 223 00:10:32,493 --> 00:10:35,255 This is what I.V.F. looks like. 224 00:10:35,289 --> 00:10:36,394 These are all the meds 225 00:10:36,428 --> 00:10:39,777 and they come in a package, a big box. 226 00:10:39,811 --> 00:10:43,401 And you open it up and you're like, wow! 227 00:10:43,435 --> 00:10:46,369 This is what the next 20 days of my life 228 00:10:46,404 --> 00:10:49,372 is going to be consumed of. 229 00:10:49,407 --> 00:10:51,098 All of these meds 230 00:10:51,133 --> 00:10:53,135 in 20 days. 231 00:10:53,169 --> 00:10:55,102 Thousands of dollars. 232 00:10:55,137 --> 00:10:57,449 This is I.V.F. 233 00:11:01,522 --> 00:11:04,871 "It hurts to give yourself shots. 234 00:11:04,905 --> 00:11:08,978 "It hurts when your spouse has male factor infertility. 235 00:11:09,013 --> 00:11:12,982 "It hurts when you and your spouse don't see eye to eye. 236 00:11:13,017 --> 00:11:17,193 "It hurts because no one knows the silent tears 237 00:11:17,228 --> 00:11:18,850 "that you cry at night. 238 00:11:18,885 --> 00:11:22,854 "It hurts because you don't have insurance or money 239 00:11:22,889 --> 00:11:25,995 "to cover treatment or adoption services. 240 00:11:26,030 --> 00:11:27,169 "It hurts! 241 00:11:27,203 --> 00:11:30,172 "Because it seems like God is silent. 242 00:11:30,206 --> 00:11:34,072 "It hurts because of the crazy comments people say to you like, 243 00:11:34,107 --> 00:11:36,109 "'Just relax.' 244 00:11:36,143 --> 00:11:40,838 "It hurts because the baby you've always dreamed of 245 00:11:40,872 --> 00:11:43,357 "seems like a distant reality 246 00:11:43,392 --> 00:11:46,050 that may not ever happen." 247 00:11:56,232 --> 00:11:59,615 In the African-American community, what I would hear 248 00:11:59,649 --> 00:12:01,168 is that we were fertile, 249 00:12:01,203 --> 00:12:04,171 that we were hyper-fertile. 250 00:12:04,206 --> 00:12:07,623 Much of this is steeped in a number of breeding myths, 251 00:12:07,657 --> 00:12:10,074 particularly during slavery. 252 00:12:12,076 --> 00:12:14,423 Black women in particular... 253 00:12:14,457 --> 00:12:15,838 we didn't struggle with infertility. 254 00:12:15,873 --> 00:12:18,392 That's what we were told. 255 00:12:20,705 --> 00:12:21,844 And for those women 256 00:12:21,879 --> 00:12:24,709 that were experiencing fertility challenges, 257 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:26,711 it was a secret, you know? 258 00:12:26,746 --> 00:12:27,919 No one was talking about it. 259 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,061 Reverend Stacey Edwards-Dunn was 37 years old 260 00:12:32,096 --> 00:12:34,823 when she married her husband Earl. 261 00:12:34,857 --> 00:12:36,894 They planned to have a child right away 262 00:12:36,928 --> 00:12:40,552 but were unable to, and turned to I.V.F. 263 00:12:40,587 --> 00:12:41,830 I think one of the key issues 264 00:12:41,864 --> 00:12:43,245 with a lot of couples, 265 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:46,110 especially minority couples, is financial. 266 00:12:46,144 --> 00:12:48,457 It's financial, it's expensive. 267 00:12:50,252 --> 00:12:53,565 Assisted Reproductive Technologies, or A.R.T. 268 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,915 does relate to socioeconomic status 269 00:12:57,949 --> 00:13:01,815 because fertility treatments are relatively expensive. 270 00:13:01,850 --> 00:13:06,302 I.V.F. could cost anywhere between $10,000 271 00:13:06,337 --> 00:13:11,238 and as high as $25,000, if using your own eggs. 272 00:13:11,273 --> 00:13:12,861 In terms of who gets to have a baby, 273 00:13:12,895 --> 00:13:15,795 it's whether you can afford it, whether you have access to it. 274 00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:18,798 We know that, unfortunately, 275 00:13:18,832 --> 00:13:20,834 just simply looking at geographics in terms of 276 00:13:20,869 --> 00:13:23,872 locations of fertility clinics, 277 00:13:23,906 --> 00:13:27,979 they tend to be located in the more affluent neighborhoods. 278 00:13:28,014 --> 00:13:31,534 For many people, it's cost prohibitive. 279 00:13:31,569 --> 00:13:34,330 I.V.F. is usually not covered 280 00:13:34,365 --> 00:13:36,539 by either private insurance 281 00:13:36,574 --> 00:13:38,818 or by the state health care program for the poor, 282 00:13:38,852 --> 00:13:40,820 the state federal program Medicaid. 283 00:13:40,854 --> 00:13:42,856 We're one of the few rich countries 284 00:13:42,891 --> 00:13:46,273 that doesn't think of it as part of basic health coverage. 285 00:13:46,308 --> 00:13:51,451 The good news is more and more states in the United States 286 00:13:51,485 --> 00:13:53,591 now provide what we call mandated coverage, 287 00:13:53,625 --> 00:13:57,422 which is a strong requirement or recommendation 288 00:13:57,457 --> 00:14:01,185 that employers and other insurers 289 00:14:01,219 --> 00:14:03,635 provide fertility coverage. 290 00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:07,053 For six years, Stacey and Earl poured their life savings 291 00:14:07,087 --> 00:14:09,227 into multiple I.V.F. treatments. 292 00:14:09,262 --> 00:14:13,783 Finally, a doctor alerted Stacey that she had a rare condition 293 00:14:13,818 --> 00:14:15,544 that no one had ever told her about. 294 00:14:17,718 --> 00:14:18,996 So, I went to go see the doctor. 295 00:14:19,030 --> 00:14:21,550 She said, "Had anyone ever told you 296 00:14:21,584 --> 00:14:24,139 that you had one Fallopian tube?" 297 00:14:24,173 --> 00:14:25,795 I said, "Absolutely not." 298 00:14:25,830 --> 00:14:29,454 "Has anyone ever told you that you have a unicornuate uterus? 299 00:14:29,489 --> 00:14:32,664 That your uterus is much smaller than the average uterus?" 300 00:14:32,699 --> 00:14:34,011 I said, "Absolutely not." 301 00:14:34,045 --> 00:14:35,322 Now although I had been diagnosed 302 00:14:35,357 --> 00:14:37,462 with unexplained infertility, 303 00:14:37,497 --> 00:14:41,466 they still never told me that I had one Fallopian tube 304 00:14:41,501 --> 00:14:43,468 or had a unicornuate uterus. 305 00:14:43,503 --> 00:14:45,677 Which could have been a, you know, 306 00:14:45,712 --> 00:14:49,371 a major game-changer for every doctor that had seen me. 307 00:14:51,511 --> 00:14:54,100 For African American women, there has been 308 00:14:54,134 --> 00:14:59,139 a long-standing history of reproductive coercion, 309 00:14:59,174 --> 00:15:01,762 of sterilization that we know that's gone on 310 00:15:01,797 --> 00:15:04,696 in the history of the United States, 311 00:15:04,731 --> 00:15:07,872 and there is a concern about trust. 312 00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:10,150 Across the board, there are disparities. 313 00:15:10,185 --> 00:15:13,291 Clearly disparities in the medical system for the treatment 314 00:15:13,326 --> 00:15:15,362 of African American men and women. 315 00:15:15,397 --> 00:15:17,951 And I think that's true in the world of infertility as well. 316 00:15:19,642 --> 00:15:21,886 In our community, I hear it all the time. 317 00:15:21,921 --> 00:15:23,888 When we go to doctors, 318 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:26,822 many doctors do not take us seriously. 319 00:15:26,856 --> 00:15:29,756 Many doctors have provided diagnosis 320 00:15:29,790 --> 00:15:31,723 oftentimes that's incorrect. 321 00:15:36,245 --> 00:15:38,903 Reverend Stacey came to see the first six years 322 00:15:38,938 --> 00:15:41,216 of her private fight for fertility 323 00:15:41,250 --> 00:15:44,322 as her season of delay. 324 00:15:44,357 --> 00:15:48,223 A lot of people struggle with this idea of delay. 325 00:15:48,257 --> 00:15:50,432 And you wonder when your time is coming. 326 00:15:50,466 --> 00:15:54,229 And so I had to get to the point that, you know, 327 00:15:54,263 --> 00:15:57,232 each time I got a negative pregnancy test 328 00:15:57,266 --> 00:16:00,235 or that the I.V.F. wasn't successful, 329 00:16:00,269 --> 00:16:02,237 I had to eventually arrive to the point 330 00:16:02,271 --> 00:16:04,411 that delay didn't mean denial. 331 00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:08,553 Believing she would become a mother, 332 00:16:08,588 --> 00:16:11,556 Reverend Stacey decided to break her silence. 333 00:16:11,591 --> 00:16:14,559 The moment that I was willing to open up 334 00:16:14,594 --> 00:16:16,561 and publicly share about my story, 335 00:16:16,596 --> 00:16:18,563 what happened is that women and couples 336 00:16:18,598 --> 00:16:20,496 began to come out the woodworks. 337 00:16:20,531 --> 00:16:21,497 Because they were like, 338 00:16:21,532 --> 00:16:24,500 "My God, she gets it. 339 00:16:24,535 --> 00:16:28,504 She, she's going through what I... what I'm going through." 340 00:16:28,539 --> 00:16:31,645 Or "She's now been through, you know, what I'm going through." 341 00:16:33,716 --> 00:16:35,649 Black women are struggling with infertility 342 00:16:35,684 --> 00:16:37,099 at almost two times the rate 343 00:16:37,134 --> 00:16:40,930 as our Caucasian brothers and sisters. 344 00:16:40,965 --> 00:16:43,933 I knew when I was about 25 years old 345 00:16:43,968 --> 00:16:46,867 what they kept telling me... "You have a uterus full of fibroids." 346 00:16:46,902 --> 00:16:47,903 And so, I didn't know if 347 00:16:47,937 --> 00:16:49,525 that was going to impact my fertility. 348 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,941 I had just graduated from law school. 349 00:16:51,976 --> 00:16:54,358 I wasn't interested in having a baby at that point. 350 00:16:54,392 --> 00:16:56,256 And so I kind of... I didn't have symptoms. 351 00:16:56,291 --> 00:16:57,878 I kind of let it go on and go on and go on. 352 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,574 Fibroids are benign tumors of muscular and fibrous tissue 353 00:17:03,608 --> 00:17:06,577 that typically develop in the walls of the uterus. 354 00:17:06,611 --> 00:17:09,580 Fibroids cause a disruption inside the uterus 355 00:17:09,614 --> 00:17:12,203 such that it becomes not only hard to get pregnant, 356 00:17:12,238 --> 00:17:15,137 it also becomes harder to stay pregnant. 357 00:17:15,172 --> 00:17:17,105 Black women experience miscarriages 358 00:17:17,139 --> 00:17:18,382 at a much higher rate. 359 00:17:18,416 --> 00:17:21,350 And I think it's almost always due to fibroids. 360 00:17:22,903 --> 00:17:24,215 When Tiffany married 361 00:17:24,250 --> 00:17:25,734 and was ready to start a family, 362 00:17:25,768 --> 00:17:27,839 she struggled to get pregnant, 363 00:17:27,874 --> 00:17:29,807 but did not know where to turn for help. 364 00:17:31,429 --> 00:17:33,362 I think every community has that taboo subject, 365 00:17:33,397 --> 00:17:35,433 that thing they just don't talk about at the dinner table, 366 00:17:35,468 --> 00:17:37,366 and fertility is ours. 367 00:17:37,401 --> 00:17:38,367 I didn't have a voice. 368 00:17:38,402 --> 00:17:40,749 I was just struggling. 369 00:17:40,783 --> 00:17:44,753 I'm a lawyer by trade and so I'm used to advocating for people. 370 00:17:44,787 --> 00:17:46,789 But in this, I couldn't advocate for myself. 371 00:17:46,824 --> 00:17:48,757 I didn't know how and I had, 372 00:17:48,791 --> 00:17:50,759 I had too much pain, too much shame, 373 00:17:50,793 --> 00:17:53,417 and that's when I came across Fertility for Colored Girls. 374 00:17:53,451 --> 00:17:57,697 - It's so difficult... - Yeah. 375 00:17:57,731 --> 00:18:01,252 And it's very difficult to be, like, 376 00:18:01,287 --> 00:18:04,911 told this basic lie your whole life, 377 00:18:04,945 --> 00:18:06,878 that it's just... everything's going to work out 378 00:18:06,913 --> 00:18:08,328 and it really isn't. 379 00:18:08,363 --> 00:18:09,881 I do believe that God called me 380 00:18:09,916 --> 00:18:12,021 to start Fertility for Colored Girls, 381 00:18:12,056 --> 00:18:14,058 to create this safe space for women, 382 00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:16,819 particularly African American women who were struggling 383 00:18:16,854 --> 00:18:18,097 at insurmountable rates 384 00:18:18,131 --> 00:18:19,926 because there was no place for them to go. 385 00:18:21,721 --> 00:18:25,759 I went to the meeting and I was shocked 386 00:18:25,794 --> 00:18:30,178 because there were so many Black and brown women there, 387 00:18:30,212 --> 00:18:32,180 like me, who were struggling. 388 00:18:32,214 --> 00:18:35,114 And it was the first time that I didn't feel alone. 389 00:18:35,148 --> 00:18:38,082 We're believing and we're cheering you on 390 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:40,119 till the end. Yes. 391 00:18:40,153 --> 00:18:42,293 Black women in particular, 392 00:18:42,328 --> 00:18:45,227 we have experienced generations of oppression. 393 00:18:45,262 --> 00:18:50,129 We carry generations of stress. 394 00:18:50,163 --> 00:18:51,958 Someone says that, 395 00:18:51,992 --> 00:18:54,995 you know, this stress and this trauma is also cellular, 396 00:18:55,030 --> 00:18:59,207 and it particularly impacts us on this infertility journey. 397 00:19:01,278 --> 00:19:05,109 Women, particularly African American women, 398 00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:09,424 have experienced long-standing 399 00:19:09,458 --> 00:19:13,980 social, economic, and environmental stress 400 00:19:14,014 --> 00:19:18,881 that has really placed a burden on their bodies 401 00:19:18,916 --> 00:19:21,194 in a way that translates 402 00:19:21,229 --> 00:19:25,336 into more adverse reproductive health outcomes. 403 00:19:25,371 --> 00:19:27,269 And that term is called weathering, 404 00:19:27,304 --> 00:19:33,655 that this weathering in a way prematurely ages Black women. 405 00:19:33,689 --> 00:19:37,659 Your stress hormones, cortisol, your fight-or-flight hormones 406 00:19:37,693 --> 00:19:41,663 known as catecholamines or epinephrine, norepinephrine, 407 00:19:41,697 --> 00:19:45,114 those hormones actually should only be present 408 00:19:45,149 --> 00:19:48,911 at low doses overall in your general day-to-day 409 00:19:48,946 --> 00:19:51,914 and only spike when you truly have 410 00:19:51,949 --> 00:19:55,228 a new, short-term scare or anxiety. 411 00:19:55,263 --> 00:19:59,198 For people who find themselves in societies where there's maybe 412 00:19:59,232 --> 00:20:02,062 institutional racism, structural racism, 413 00:20:02,097 --> 00:20:04,858 their catecholamines and their cortisol levels 414 00:20:04,893 --> 00:20:06,653 are way higher than they should be. 415 00:20:06,688 --> 00:20:09,656 And so if someone is constantly under stress 416 00:20:09,691 --> 00:20:11,865 where their body is weathering, 417 00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:15,628 that has a lot of long-term impacts 418 00:20:15,662 --> 00:20:16,663 on all your organ systems. 419 00:20:16,698 --> 00:20:19,666 And over time, we see that manifesting 420 00:20:19,701 --> 00:20:22,669 in earlier ages of diagnosis with disease, 421 00:20:22,704 --> 00:20:28,779 earlier ages of diagnosis in terms of high blood pressure, 422 00:20:28,813 --> 00:20:30,781 diabetes, stress-related tension, 423 00:20:30,815 --> 00:20:33,749 and even birth outcomes in women. 424 00:20:37,615 --> 00:20:39,721 The Black community is often described as 425 00:20:39,755 --> 00:20:41,723 the most religious community in America. 426 00:20:41,757 --> 00:20:44,967 And there's a big push to just pray about it. 427 00:20:45,002 --> 00:20:47,591 Rev. Stacey, because she's a reverend, 428 00:20:47,625 --> 00:20:50,594 really kind of demystified that and said, 429 00:20:50,628 --> 00:20:51,871 "God made the science too." 430 00:20:51,905 --> 00:20:55,150 I had gone through one round of I.V.F. 431 00:20:55,184 --> 00:20:57,186 and when they went in to retrieve the eggs, 432 00:20:57,221 --> 00:21:00,224 they could not really get to my ovaries 433 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:03,469 because they've got these fibroids all over the place. 434 00:21:03,503 --> 00:21:05,229 And upwards of 80% of Black women 435 00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:06,955 suffer from fibroids. 436 00:21:06,989 --> 00:21:10,234 And we don't do anything about it unless it's life-threatening. 437 00:21:10,269 --> 00:21:15,239 And Rev. Stacey just really gave me the push I needed and, 438 00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:17,586 and the permission to, to remove the fibroids 439 00:21:17,621 --> 00:21:20,589 and move forward on my path to, to motherhood. 440 00:21:20,624 --> 00:21:24,075 After surgery to remove her fibroids, 441 00:21:24,110 --> 00:21:27,803 Tiffany embarked on more rounds of I.V.F. 442 00:21:27,838 --> 00:21:29,771 I.V.F. doesn't seem to be 443 00:21:29,805 --> 00:21:32,325 any more efficient than nature. 444 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:36,191 Still, most I.V.F. embryos do not become babies, 445 00:21:36,225 --> 00:21:39,263 just as most embryos that are produced the old-fashioned way 446 00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:41,438 don't become babies. 447 00:21:41,472 --> 00:21:43,612 But if you've got blocked Fallopian tubes, 448 00:21:43,647 --> 00:21:46,546 or if your sperm for some reason won't fertilize an egg, 449 00:21:46,581 --> 00:21:48,548 for a variety of other reasons 450 00:21:48,583 --> 00:21:49,894 there are a lot of people out there for whom 451 00:21:49,929 --> 00:21:52,483 the old-fashioned way just won't work. 452 00:21:52,518 --> 00:21:57,419 And for them, I.V.F. amazingly outperforms nature. 453 00:22:02,493 --> 00:22:05,427 This is the second time Cassie and Zack have tried 454 00:22:05,462 --> 00:22:07,498 to conceive a child through I.V.F. 455 00:22:07,533 --> 00:22:09,500 using sperm extracted from Zack. 456 00:22:09,535 --> 00:22:12,192 Their first attempt did not produce viable embryos. 457 00:22:14,747 --> 00:22:17,577 Within 24 hours of Zack's procedure, 458 00:22:17,612 --> 00:22:19,924 Dr. April Batcheller will attempt 459 00:22:19,959 --> 00:22:22,617 to collect eggs from both of Cassie's ovaries. 460 00:22:22,651 --> 00:22:25,516 We give women like Cassie 461 00:22:25,551 --> 00:22:28,174 extra follicle stimulating hormone. 462 00:22:28,208 --> 00:22:30,314 So that instead of just growing one egg, 463 00:22:30,349 --> 00:22:34,214 maybe we can get 15 or 20 eggs from the ovary. 464 00:22:36,562 --> 00:22:38,218 The goal is going to be 465 00:22:38,253 --> 00:22:42,464 to place a needle into each one of these follicles here 466 00:22:42,499 --> 00:22:46,226 and aspirate all of these beautiful eggs 467 00:22:46,261 --> 00:22:49,057 that Cassie spent the past two weeks growing. 468 00:22:49,091 --> 00:22:52,060 Follicles are the tiny sacs inside the ovaries 469 00:22:52,094 --> 00:22:54,752 that nurture and release a woman's eggs. 470 00:22:54,787 --> 00:22:55,995 During an egg retrieval, 471 00:22:56,029 --> 00:22:58,825 a doctor will place a probe inside the vagina 472 00:22:58,860 --> 00:23:01,345 and through a needle-guided procedure, 473 00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:05,591 follicles are drained of follicular fluid. 474 00:23:05,625 --> 00:23:08,214 24. 475 00:23:08,248 --> 00:23:10,250 In the room next door, 476 00:23:10,285 --> 00:23:12,839 the embryologist will isolate Cassie's eggs 477 00:23:12,874 --> 00:23:16,740 and try to fertilize them with Zack's sperm. 478 00:23:16,774 --> 00:23:18,258 Fertilization is probably 479 00:23:18,293 --> 00:23:20,537 our biggest hurdle that we have here 480 00:23:20,571 --> 00:23:22,987 because of Zacks's sperm challenge. 481 00:23:24,644 --> 00:23:28,372 In this case, because Zach's sperm were surgically extracted, 482 00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:31,375 they lack the ability to swim. 483 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:35,034 And so, we have to give them a bit of a boost 484 00:23:35,068 --> 00:23:36,622 by injecting the non-swimming sperm 485 00:23:36,656 --> 00:23:40,626 into the egg with a needle, called a ICSI needle... 486 00:23:40,660 --> 00:23:44,008 intracytoplasmic sperm injection. 487 00:23:44,043 --> 00:23:47,115 This revolutionary technology was developed 488 00:23:47,149 --> 00:23:50,567 to assist fertilization for men with weak or few sperm. 489 00:23:50,601 --> 00:23:54,433 Today, it is widely used in I.V.F. laboratories. 490 00:23:55,813 --> 00:23:58,954 Oh... All right. 491 00:23:58,989 --> 00:24:01,336 Okay, I know, right? 492 00:24:01,370 --> 00:24:04,857 Within 18 hours, Zack's sperm and Cassie's eggs 493 00:24:04,891 --> 00:24:07,860 create three embryos. 494 00:24:07,894 --> 00:24:09,862 From there, it is an anxiety-provoking 495 00:24:09,896 --> 00:24:11,415 five or six days while we wait for the embryos 496 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:15,005 to grow and divide. 497 00:24:17,594 --> 00:24:22,150 I think being faced with infertility 498 00:24:22,184 --> 00:24:23,531 is extremely hard. 499 00:24:23,565 --> 00:24:24,877 It's emotional. 500 00:24:24,911 --> 00:24:26,879 You have the steps of grieving. 501 00:24:26,913 --> 00:24:30,330 You're trying to accept and you're trying to, you know, 502 00:24:30,365 --> 00:24:32,332 predict what's going to happen. 503 00:24:32,367 --> 00:24:34,887 Everybody has such a unique story. 504 00:24:34,921 --> 00:24:37,821 And when you have a child of your own 505 00:24:37,855 --> 00:24:40,133 and you say, "Why not adopt?" 506 00:24:40,168 --> 00:24:42,895 that's their opinion, you know. 507 00:24:42,929 --> 00:24:44,310 They decided to be parents themselves, 508 00:24:44,344 --> 00:24:45,518 they have biological children. 509 00:24:45,553 --> 00:24:49,798 And it's really hard to hear that. 510 00:24:49,833 --> 00:24:51,317 You look into your future. 511 00:24:51,351 --> 00:24:53,353 What does that look like for us? 512 00:24:53,388 --> 00:24:56,805 Who's going to be with us for our family Christmases? 513 00:25:01,845 --> 00:25:04,813 Like, who's going to be with us, 514 00:25:04,848 --> 00:25:08,817 like, when we're saying our last words? 515 00:25:08,852 --> 00:25:11,820 I think, like... 516 00:25:11,855 --> 00:25:13,719 we want to have the joys of children. 517 00:25:19,483 --> 00:25:22,417 There are a lot of causes for infertility. 518 00:25:22,451 --> 00:25:24,246 So big items are male factor, 519 00:25:24,281 --> 00:25:26,525 where there's something going on with the sperm. 520 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,182 Tubal factor, where there's something going on 521 00:25:29,217 --> 00:25:30,563 with the Fallopian tube, 522 00:25:30,598 --> 00:25:34,429 and anovulation where there's an issue relating to... 523 00:25:34,463 --> 00:25:36,949 ability to release an egg from the ovary. 524 00:25:36,983 --> 00:25:39,848 One condition that affects a woman's ability 525 00:25:39,883 --> 00:25:40,953 to ovulate regularly 526 00:25:40,987 --> 00:25:45,958 is polycystic ovary syndrome, or PCOS, 527 00:25:45,992 --> 00:25:48,339 a hormonal disorder that if left untreated, 528 00:25:48,374 --> 00:25:50,203 can have long-term consequences. 529 00:25:50,238 --> 00:25:51,826 We know that people 530 00:25:51,860 --> 00:25:54,311 with P.C.O.S., because of insulin resistance, 531 00:25:54,345 --> 00:25:56,900 also struggle with their weight. 532 00:25:56,934 --> 00:25:58,315 And so, in the United States, 533 00:25:58,349 --> 00:26:00,766 where we're facing an obesity epidemic, 534 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,321 and thus a diabetes crisis as well, 535 00:26:04,355 --> 00:26:07,842 it's really important to diagnose PCOS even in teenagers. 536 00:26:07,876 --> 00:26:09,844 An even more common illness 537 00:26:09,878 --> 00:26:14,262 affecting a woman's fertility is endometriosis, 538 00:26:14,296 --> 00:26:17,023 an inflammatory disease of the reproductive system, 539 00:26:17,058 --> 00:26:19,094 that can begin in puberty. 540 00:26:19,129 --> 00:26:21,027 It afflicts at least ten percent of women 541 00:26:21,062 --> 00:26:25,342 and takes an average of six to eight years to diagnose. 542 00:26:25,376 --> 00:26:27,033 One of the biggest downsides 543 00:26:27,068 --> 00:26:31,451 to endometriosis progressing without diagnosis or treatment 544 00:26:31,486 --> 00:26:35,870 is that it can cause really bad scarring of the Fallopian tubes. 545 00:26:35,904 --> 00:26:38,458 But it also can cause the eggs to die. 546 00:26:38,493 --> 00:26:41,876 Some women may stop ovulating regularly. 547 00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:45,431 And some may even go into menopause prematurely 548 00:26:45,465 --> 00:26:46,570 as a result. 549 00:26:48,020 --> 00:26:49,504 But one of the major challenges for women 550 00:26:49,538 --> 00:26:52,541 who are struggling to conceive is the age of their eggs. 551 00:26:52,576 --> 00:26:53,957 We as a society 552 00:26:53,991 --> 00:26:57,546 all need to know that there are issues with having babies 553 00:26:57,581 --> 00:26:58,996 when we're older 554 00:26:59,031 --> 00:27:01,896 and we need to be thoughtful about planning our fertility. 555 00:27:01,930 --> 00:27:03,898 It's not a popular message, 556 00:27:03,932 --> 00:27:06,901 and it does create anxiety, which no one wants to do. 557 00:27:06,935 --> 00:27:08,765 But, on the other hand, you know, 558 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:10,421 I can't tell you the number of women who have said, 559 00:27:10,456 --> 00:27:12,527 "No one told me this stuff, I can't believe I'm 44 560 00:27:12,561 --> 00:27:14,736 "and thinking it's easy to get pregnant. 561 00:27:14,771 --> 00:27:16,427 And now you're telling me I almost have no chance." 562 00:27:16,462 --> 00:27:19,603 As a woman ages, not only does the quantity 563 00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:21,260 of her eggs decline, 564 00:27:21,294 --> 00:27:24,470 but so does the health of her eggs. 565 00:27:24,504 --> 00:27:26,783 There's a crucial moment during fertilization, 566 00:27:26,817 --> 00:27:28,439 when the egg needs to eject 567 00:27:28,474 --> 00:27:30,787 exactly half of its chromosomes... 568 00:27:30,821 --> 00:27:32,478 with perfect precision. 569 00:27:32,512 --> 00:27:34,445 Eggs are aging as you get older. 570 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,551 And they don't release the chromosomes 571 00:27:36,585 --> 00:27:38,208 until they're ovulated and fertilized. 572 00:27:38,242 --> 00:27:41,073 And that's, you know, this graphic here... 573 00:27:41,107 --> 00:27:44,110 which shows a sperm and an egg. 574 00:27:44,145 --> 00:27:46,423 This is the egg kicking out half the chromosomes. 575 00:27:46,457 --> 00:27:49,702 When this egg is 25, it's moving the chromosomes around 576 00:27:49,737 --> 00:27:52,118 with 25-year-old machinery 577 00:27:52,153 --> 00:27:53,775 versus 40-year-old machinery, 578 00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:55,052 you're going to see more mistakes 579 00:27:55,087 --> 00:27:56,122 where a chromosome goes where it shouldn't. 580 00:27:56,157 --> 00:27:58,746 And, for instance, Chromosome 21, 581 00:27:58,780 --> 00:28:01,783 there should be one copy here and one copy there. 582 00:28:01,818 --> 00:28:05,338 But sometimes an egg, especially an older egg, 583 00:28:05,373 --> 00:28:08,065 fails to eject its extra copy. 584 00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:09,342 Now all of a sudden, you've got an embryo 585 00:28:09,377 --> 00:28:11,103 that has three copies of Chromosome 21, 586 00:28:11,137 --> 00:28:13,795 trisomy 21, that's Down Syndrome. 587 00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:18,731 In the last decade, egg freezing has become increasingly popular 588 00:28:18,766 --> 00:28:20,664 for women interested in delaying childbirth 589 00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:24,357 or who are going to undergo chemotherapy. 590 00:28:24,392 --> 00:28:25,531 I'm asked all the time 591 00:28:25,565 --> 00:28:27,844 what is the ideal age to freeze eggs. 592 00:28:27,878 --> 00:28:31,019 And I think that somewhere between 28 and 34. 593 00:28:31,054 --> 00:28:34,609 That's because in that window, 594 00:28:34,643 --> 00:28:36,576 the quality of the eggs and the quantity of the eggs 595 00:28:36,611 --> 00:28:38,578 is still optimal. 596 00:28:38,613 --> 00:28:40,926 After 35, it is possible to freeze eggs 597 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,652 but the outcomes are not quite as successful. 598 00:28:43,687 --> 00:28:46,621 Egg freezing is one of the greatest discoveries 599 00:28:46,655 --> 00:28:49,831 in modern times. 600 00:28:49,866 --> 00:28:51,833 It is a huge game-changer. 601 00:28:51,868 --> 00:28:55,699 It allows women to donate eggs to themselves 602 00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:58,702 at a time when they may not have as many options. 603 00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:00,980 It allows women to choose partners 604 00:29:01,015 --> 00:29:03,707 based on things that are not related 605 00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:06,641 to their biological clock. 606 00:29:09,299 --> 00:29:11,991 When I first saw him in the hospital 607 00:29:12,026 --> 00:29:13,993 and everyone's screaming at me to push, 608 00:29:14,028 --> 00:29:15,995 and they're screaming at me to slow down. 609 00:29:16,030 --> 00:29:19,896 And then everything goes completely silent. 610 00:29:22,277 --> 00:29:25,280 And I hear him come out 611 00:29:25,315 --> 00:29:27,006 and then they lift him up in the light 612 00:29:27,041 --> 00:29:28,249 and I get to see him for the first time. 613 00:29:29,698 --> 00:29:33,875 And he opens his mouth, and he just starts to cry, 614 00:29:33,910 --> 00:29:37,983 which was the most amazing sound I've ever heard. 615 00:29:42,608 --> 00:29:45,956 Creating a baby was the last thing on Trystan's mind 616 00:29:45,991 --> 00:29:48,510 as he searched for his identity. 617 00:29:48,545 --> 00:29:52,066 I, like many people, always did feel 618 00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:54,068 there was something different about me. 619 00:29:54,102 --> 00:29:56,449 And I think, tragically, 620 00:29:56,484 --> 00:29:58,072 I actually felt that there was something wrong with me, 621 00:29:58,106 --> 00:30:00,074 that I was broken. 622 00:30:00,108 --> 00:30:03,456 For me it was just excruciating and it came to the point 623 00:30:03,491 --> 00:30:05,079 where I didn't believe that I could continue 624 00:30:05,113 --> 00:30:07,529 to live a kind of life that I was living. 625 00:30:07,564 --> 00:30:11,464 And it really wasn't until I was 18 or 19 626 00:30:11,499 --> 00:30:13,432 when I realized, "Oh, my God, I'm not broken at all, 627 00:30:13,466 --> 00:30:15,054 I'm just transgender." 628 00:30:15,089 --> 00:30:18,644 When I finally did tell my mom specifically, 629 00:30:18,678 --> 00:30:21,198 you know, "I'm transgender. I'm going to be transitioning," 630 00:30:21,233 --> 00:30:23,822 you know, I just watched her face fall. 631 00:30:23,856 --> 00:30:25,824 And it's not that she's transphobic, 632 00:30:25,858 --> 00:30:27,826 she just truly believed that it meant choosing 633 00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:30,656 an unhappy life for myself. 634 00:30:30,690 --> 00:30:32,623 For people who have gender dysphoria, 635 00:30:32,658 --> 00:30:34,004 what that means is that 636 00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,007 they have a really distressing discomfort 637 00:30:37,042 --> 00:30:40,459 because there's a discrepancy in their gender identity 638 00:30:40,493 --> 00:30:43,013 and how they appear on the outside 639 00:30:43,048 --> 00:30:45,498 or the sex they were assigned at birth. 640 00:30:45,533 --> 00:30:47,742 So, by matching their physical appearance 641 00:30:47,776 --> 00:30:49,019 to their gender identity, 642 00:30:49,054 --> 00:30:51,021 that allows the world to perceive them 643 00:30:51,056 --> 00:30:53,506 as they already perceive themselves. 644 00:30:53,541 --> 00:30:57,545 Trying to match his appearance to his identity, 645 00:30:57,579 --> 00:31:00,030 Trystan turned to testosterone. 646 00:31:00,065 --> 00:31:01,652 Looking back on it now, 647 00:31:01,687 --> 00:31:04,586 I'm like, "Oh, I took testosterone 648 00:31:04,621 --> 00:31:06,657 from the black market." 649 00:31:06,692 --> 00:31:10,592 And that is a really, really, really dumb idea. 650 00:31:10,627 --> 00:31:12,698 Because your whole endocrine system 651 00:31:12,732 --> 00:31:14,700 is a very delicate constellation. 652 00:31:14,734 --> 00:31:16,357 It's like a spiderweb. 653 00:31:16,391 --> 00:31:18,359 You know, you pull on one piece and everything else goes. 654 00:31:18,393 --> 00:31:20,361 There's a complex signaling 655 00:31:20,395 --> 00:31:22,397 that occurs naturally in men and women, 656 00:31:22,432 --> 00:31:26,263 where there's hormone signals that come from your brain 657 00:31:26,298 --> 00:31:28,265 that speak to the ovaries and speak to the testes. 658 00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:32,269 When you take testosterone or you take estrogen, 659 00:31:32,304 --> 00:31:35,859 those hormones then take over the signaling 660 00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:38,413 that would normally be driven by the brain. 661 00:31:38,448 --> 00:31:41,037 And that can have implications for reproductive health. 662 00:31:41,071 --> 00:31:42,901 For example, testosterone therapy 663 00:31:42,935 --> 00:31:45,351 can lead to increased risks of stroke, 664 00:31:45,386 --> 00:31:47,353 heart attacks, blood clots. 665 00:31:47,388 --> 00:31:49,528 You should really be under doctor supervision, 666 00:31:49,562 --> 00:31:53,359 or if not a doctor but a nurse or a naturopathic doctor, 667 00:31:53,394 --> 00:31:56,293 but someone who has advanced training in hormone management. 668 00:31:56,328 --> 00:31:59,365 But a lot of L.G.B.T.Q. people take risks with their health 669 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,780 because they're scared. 670 00:32:08,685 --> 00:32:11,895 Discrimination towards the L.G.B.T.Q.+ community 671 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:13,897 has hindered access to healthcare 672 00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:16,935 and led to misperceptions. 673 00:32:16,969 --> 00:32:18,971 The message has always been that, like, 674 00:32:19,006 --> 00:32:21,767 gay people are dangerous to children, 675 00:32:21,801 --> 00:32:23,700 that gay people shouldn't raise children. 676 00:32:23,734 --> 00:32:25,564 That, like, we are the opposite of family. 677 00:32:25,598 --> 00:32:26,668 We destroy family. 678 00:32:28,739 --> 00:32:31,984 When it became clear that Lucas and Haley, 679 00:32:32,019 --> 00:32:34,607 my biological niece and nephew, were going to need a home, 680 00:32:34,642 --> 00:32:35,919 it was pretty clear that we were 681 00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:38,957 going to be the only people that could take them. 682 00:32:38,991 --> 00:32:41,200 Or they would need to go into foster care. 683 00:32:41,235 --> 00:32:42,961 And so, 684 00:32:42,995 --> 00:32:44,583 you know we had a discussion 685 00:32:44,617 --> 00:32:46,516 and Trystan was, like, very supportive. 686 00:32:46,550 --> 00:32:48,483 Was like yes, let's do this, let's take them. 687 00:32:48,518 --> 00:32:50,140 Did you concentrate? 688 00:32:50,175 --> 00:32:51,900 Concentrate means you work very hard... 689 00:32:51,935 --> 00:32:53,592 It never occurred to me until I met Biff, 690 00:32:53,626 --> 00:32:54,903 I started thinking, 691 00:32:54,938 --> 00:32:56,802 you know, I would love to have a family with him. 692 00:32:56,836 --> 00:32:59,874 And seeing him with kids I was just like, 693 00:32:59,908 --> 00:33:01,945 that door could open for us. 694 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:05,776 We could have a physical manifestation of this, you know, 695 00:33:05,811 --> 00:33:09,918 profound and true experience of love we have for each other. 696 00:33:09,953 --> 00:33:10,919 Many people like me 697 00:33:10,954 --> 00:33:12,956 don't ever have the opportunity 698 00:33:12,991 --> 00:33:17,029 to have a kid that is biologically connected to them, 699 00:33:17,064 --> 00:33:20,860 either because the reproductive systems don't match up 700 00:33:20,895 --> 00:33:22,862 or they don't have the resources. 701 00:33:22,897 --> 00:33:23,863 And in many cases I think people 702 00:33:23,898 --> 00:33:25,900 don't even imagine. 703 00:33:25,934 --> 00:33:27,212 That was one thing that people would always say, 704 00:33:27,246 --> 00:33:29,421 is, like, two men can't make a baby. 705 00:33:29,455 --> 00:33:30,905 And so, I'm sort of like, 706 00:33:30,939 --> 00:33:33,390 "Watch us." 707 00:33:34,736 --> 00:33:37,429 How do two men make a baby? 708 00:33:37,463 --> 00:33:40,535 Hormone treatment can suppress the reproductive system. 709 00:33:40,570 --> 00:33:45,437 So, for example, a transgender man who is taking testosterone 710 00:33:45,471 --> 00:33:47,370 will experience a cessation of menses. 711 00:33:47,404 --> 00:33:49,372 So, periods will stop coming. 712 00:33:49,406 --> 00:33:52,375 And that's actually an intended consequence of the treatment. 713 00:33:52,409 --> 00:33:55,378 But in addition, it will suppress the ovaries 714 00:33:55,412 --> 00:33:57,552 so that he is no longer ovulating. 715 00:33:57,587 --> 00:33:59,554 When they come off of testosterone, 716 00:33:59,589 --> 00:34:02,143 there are reports that the menses will return. 717 00:34:02,178 --> 00:34:06,147 Testosterone really acts to the ovulatory system 718 00:34:06,182 --> 00:34:08,149 the same way that any hormonal birth control 719 00:34:08,184 --> 00:34:11,773 that stops ovulation and menstruation impacts the system. 720 00:34:11,808 --> 00:34:12,878 It just hits pause 721 00:34:12,912 --> 00:34:15,812 on the sort of egg maturing factory. 722 00:34:15,846 --> 00:34:18,849 And when you go off testosterone, as I did 723 00:34:18,884 --> 00:34:20,851 it takes a few months, 724 00:34:20,886 --> 00:34:22,888 and then the egg maturing factory 725 00:34:22,922 --> 00:34:25,960 kicks back into gear and you ovulate and menstruate 726 00:34:25,994 --> 00:34:28,169 just as you had before. 727 00:34:28,204 --> 00:34:30,171 There have been reports of pregnancies. 728 00:34:30,206 --> 00:34:33,174 But what we don't know is if a person has been 729 00:34:33,209 --> 00:34:36,177 on testosterone for a long period of time, 730 00:34:36,212 --> 00:34:37,903 is that return of ovarian function 731 00:34:37,937 --> 00:34:39,422 going to actually occur. 732 00:34:39,456 --> 00:34:42,425 If you want to see the belly, I'm actually wearing a whole... 733 00:34:42,459 --> 00:34:45,359 Trystan had been taking testosterone for 12 years 734 00:34:45,393 --> 00:34:47,533 before trying to get pregnant. 735 00:34:47,568 --> 00:34:49,673 After experiencing a miscarriage, 736 00:34:49,708 --> 00:34:51,537 he soon became pregnant with Leo. 737 00:34:51,572 --> 00:34:53,677 gigantic giant. 738 00:34:53,712 --> 00:34:55,817 Leo looks so much like you that people just assume 739 00:34:55,852 --> 00:34:57,819 that I wasn't involved at all. 740 00:34:59,580 --> 00:35:01,547 They do assume that we had a surrogate 741 00:35:01,582 --> 00:35:04,550 and just used my sperm for that. 742 00:35:04,585 --> 00:35:05,551 We did have a surrogate 743 00:35:05,586 --> 00:35:06,863 and we did use my sperm. 744 00:35:06,897 --> 00:35:08,209 It was me, I was my own surrogate. 745 00:35:08,244 --> 00:35:09,107 Trystan was the surrogate. 746 00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:12,317 How do you navigate pregnancy 747 00:35:12,351 --> 00:35:14,112 as a transgender man? 748 00:35:14,146 --> 00:35:16,390 Maybe you feel conflicted about 749 00:35:16,424 --> 00:35:18,392 or even negative about having breasts. 750 00:35:18,426 --> 00:35:22,534 But now, that's being used to nourish a human. 751 00:35:22,568 --> 00:35:25,261 Maybe you felt conflicted about having a uterus to begin with, 752 00:35:25,295 --> 00:35:26,676 now it's being used to grow a person... 753 00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:27,608 you're building a family. 754 00:35:29,299 --> 00:35:30,611 Trystan felt grateful that he was able 755 00:35:30,645 --> 00:35:32,820 to become pregnant and give birth. 756 00:35:32,854 --> 00:35:35,754 But for patients about to transition, 757 00:35:35,788 --> 00:35:39,206 there are steps they can take to preserve their fertility. 758 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:42,209 In patients who are undergoing gender-affirming therapy, 759 00:35:42,243 --> 00:35:45,212 I think it's important that they are presented with the option 760 00:35:45,246 --> 00:35:48,456 to either freeze eggs or freeze sperm 761 00:35:48,491 --> 00:35:50,458 before they start those treatments. 762 00:35:50,493 --> 00:35:52,564 Fertility preservation is invasive. 763 00:35:52,598 --> 00:35:53,565 It is very expensive. 764 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,567 And it takes a long time. 765 00:35:55,601 --> 00:35:56,913 It can take weeks or even months, 766 00:35:56,947 --> 00:35:59,881 depending on how successful the first retrieval is. 767 00:35:59,916 --> 00:36:02,539 And a majority of trans adults 768 00:36:02,574 --> 00:36:04,092 who say they wish they'd preserved their fertility, 769 00:36:04,127 --> 00:36:05,232 they said that they were not counseled, 770 00:36:05,266 --> 00:36:06,543 they didn't think about it. 771 00:36:06,578 --> 00:36:09,097 Counseling the younger group 772 00:36:09,132 --> 00:36:10,547 about fertility preservation 773 00:36:10,582 --> 00:36:14,241 before gender-affirming therapy is particularly challenging 774 00:36:14,275 --> 00:36:16,484 because these are teenagers. 775 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:18,279 And many times, they're so distraught 776 00:36:18,314 --> 00:36:20,005 by their gender dysphoria, 777 00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,870 that they're really eager to start 778 00:36:22,904 --> 00:36:25,873 their gender-affirming treatments. 779 00:36:25,907 --> 00:36:28,324 Honestly if you had told me at age 22, 780 00:36:28,358 --> 00:36:30,326 you know, you have to choose between transitioning 781 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,362 and ever having a biological child, 782 00:36:32,397 --> 00:36:36,332 it would not have taken me one second to make that decision. 783 00:36:36,366 --> 00:36:37,333 I would have chosen transition. 784 00:36:37,367 --> 00:36:39,335 I thought I was choosing transition 785 00:36:39,369 --> 00:36:41,233 over ever having a family, 786 00:36:41,268 --> 00:36:43,994 ever falling in love, ever having community support, 787 00:36:44,029 --> 00:36:46,376 ever getting married. 788 00:36:46,411 --> 00:36:48,378 What the research has shown is that 789 00:36:48,413 --> 00:36:52,071 at least 50% of transgender men and women 790 00:36:52,106 --> 00:36:55,040 do wish to have children or have a family in the future. 791 00:36:55,074 --> 00:36:57,732 Okay, Leo... 792 00:36:57,767 --> 00:37:01,771 Change comes from moving into the place that's hard 793 00:37:01,805 --> 00:37:03,773 and looking for the light. 794 00:37:03,807 --> 00:37:08,743 Often when you say like, "Well, why don't you just adopt?" 795 00:37:08,778 --> 00:37:11,505 It's rooted in this belief that we shouldn't have access 796 00:37:11,539 --> 00:37:14,749 to the same things as everyone else. 797 00:37:14,784 --> 00:37:17,752 I don't want to be like men who are not transgender. 798 00:37:17,787 --> 00:37:19,720 I feel like what I am is unique. 799 00:37:19,754 --> 00:37:20,997 It's powerful, it's a gift. 800 00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:23,862 If I had been assigned male at birth, 801 00:37:23,896 --> 00:37:26,036 I never would have had Leo. 802 00:37:27,831 --> 00:37:29,799 So when I look at me pregnant, 803 00:37:29,833 --> 00:37:32,422 you know, I'm just one of the many men 804 00:37:32,457 --> 00:37:35,494 who happen to be unique in that we can create life. 805 00:37:35,529 --> 00:37:37,462 And I think that's pretty cool. 806 00:37:45,573 --> 00:37:47,506 Hi Cassie, it's Dr. Batcheller calling, 807 00:37:47,541 --> 00:37:51,579 I was just calling you with some excellent news this morning. 808 00:37:51,614 --> 00:37:52,615 I wanted to call and let you know 809 00:37:52,649 --> 00:37:54,617 that we have your CCS results back 810 00:37:54,651 --> 00:37:57,516 and that both of these embryos are normal 811 00:37:57,551 --> 00:37:59,587 and available for transfer, which is pretty exciting. 812 00:37:59,622 --> 00:38:01,451 We got that call 813 00:38:01,486 --> 00:38:04,454 and it was two embryos 814 00:38:04,489 --> 00:38:06,594 and they're both normal, 815 00:38:06,629 --> 00:38:08,320 and they're both baby girls. 816 00:38:08,355 --> 00:38:11,737 So, we're super excited, at least I am 817 00:38:11,772 --> 00:38:13,118 about the girl part. 818 00:38:13,152 --> 00:38:15,707 Both of Cassie and Zack's embryos 819 00:38:15,741 --> 00:38:17,847 were frozen and one has been thawed out 820 00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:20,367 to be transferred today. 821 00:38:20,401 --> 00:38:23,646 Our embryo today is a 5BB, that's the grade of it, 822 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,650 and frozen embryo transfer and it's a baby girl. 823 00:38:27,684 --> 00:38:30,653 And then Jos... baby Joseph, January 2020. 824 00:38:30,687 --> 00:38:32,655 So today's the day, 825 00:38:32,689 --> 00:38:35,658 we waited four years for this, so we're over the moon excited. 826 00:38:35,692 --> 00:38:37,384 Are you guys ready? 827 00:38:37,418 --> 00:38:38,661 Yes. Yes. 828 00:38:38,695 --> 00:38:40,525 All right, I'm ready too. 829 00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:42,906 So, we're here today doing Cassie and Zack's transfer 830 00:38:42,941 --> 00:38:44,908 after a long road of going through 831 00:38:44,943 --> 00:38:46,910 several I.V.F. cycles to get here. 832 00:38:46,945 --> 00:38:49,085 So, we warmed up their embryo a few hours ago 833 00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,087 and then transferred it successfully. 834 00:38:51,121 --> 00:38:52,640 Everything went very smoothly today. 835 00:38:52,675 --> 00:38:55,471 So now we are just in the nine-day waiting period. 836 00:39:02,409 --> 00:39:06,378 It's been five years, four embryos, 837 00:39:06,413 --> 00:39:11,418 three transfers, zero pregnancies, for me. 838 00:39:11,452 --> 00:39:18,114 And then one mosaic embryo, one surrogate, and our baby. 839 00:39:20,254 --> 00:39:22,256 Infertility just feels like 840 00:39:22,290 --> 00:39:28,193 a special little corner of hell that just goes on and on and on. 841 00:39:28,227 --> 00:39:30,195 And you can keep throwing money into it 842 00:39:30,229 --> 00:39:33,163 and time and sadness and blood and sweat and tears, 843 00:39:33,198 --> 00:39:34,924 and you may end up with nothing. 844 00:39:38,962 --> 00:39:40,550 I don't like to say that it's a miracle 845 00:39:40,585 --> 00:39:43,864 because that doesn't have the smack of truth to it. 846 00:39:43,898 --> 00:39:46,867 She is the spoils of war. 847 00:39:46,901 --> 00:39:48,869 She is the result 848 00:39:48,903 --> 00:39:51,078 of many years of battle. 849 00:39:51,112 --> 00:39:53,114 And she is our victory. 850 00:39:53,149 --> 00:39:57,464 After four years and three failed cycles of I.V.F., 851 00:39:57,498 --> 00:40:02,158 Erin was diagnosed with recurrent implantation failure... 852 00:40:02,192 --> 00:40:04,471 meaning her embryos were unable to embed themselves 853 00:40:04,505 --> 00:40:06,127 into the wall of her uterus. 854 00:40:06,162 --> 00:40:07,474 Erin came to me. 855 00:40:07,508 --> 00:40:09,337 She was frustrated, she wanted answers, 856 00:40:09,372 --> 00:40:11,167 she didn't have a diagnosis. 857 00:40:11,201 --> 00:40:15,516 Testing pointed to an issue with Erin's immune system... 858 00:40:15,551 --> 00:40:18,899 it was identifying her embryos as foreign. 859 00:40:18,933 --> 00:40:20,348 That's why 860 00:40:20,383 --> 00:40:24,767 we decided as a team to consider using a gestational carrier. 861 00:40:24,801 --> 00:40:28,356 Before transferring any of Erin's embryos 862 00:40:28,391 --> 00:40:30,635 to the gestational carrier, or surrogate, 863 00:40:30,669 --> 00:40:32,637 Dr. Aimee Evyazzadeh used 864 00:40:32,671 --> 00:40:36,641 pre-implantation genetic testing, or P.G.T., 865 00:40:36,675 --> 00:40:39,644 to make sure they had the correct number of chromosomes. 866 00:40:39,678 --> 00:40:42,543 Offered at most I.V.F. clinics, 867 00:40:42,578 --> 00:40:46,478 the test is used by about 35% of patients 868 00:40:46,513 --> 00:40:50,517 and can cost between $1,500 to $5,500. 869 00:40:50,551 --> 00:40:55,487 This test is typically done when an embryo is about five days old 870 00:40:55,522 --> 00:40:58,525 and has divided to roughly 300 cells. 871 00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:02,529 The inner cell mass is what could develop into a fetus. 872 00:41:02,563 --> 00:41:05,497 The outer layer of cells... called the trophectoderm... 873 00:41:05,532 --> 00:41:08,396 is what could develop into the placenta. 874 00:41:08,431 --> 00:41:12,366 An embryologist plucks just a few cells from this outer layer 875 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,402 and a lab performs a genetic test on them 876 00:41:14,437 --> 00:41:18,406 to count how many chromosomes each cell contains. 877 00:41:18,441 --> 00:41:21,789 Based on this test, the embryos are generally classified 878 00:41:21,824 --> 00:41:24,378 as "abnormal" or "normal." 879 00:41:24,412 --> 00:41:26,380 But if the sample contains a mixture 880 00:41:26,414 --> 00:41:29,383 of genetically normal and abnormal cells, 881 00:41:29,417 --> 00:41:32,386 then the embryo is considered "mosaic." 882 00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:34,388 We had four embryos left. 883 00:41:34,422 --> 00:41:35,700 One of them was abnormal, 884 00:41:35,734 --> 00:41:37,702 two of them were normal, 885 00:41:37,736 --> 00:41:39,704 and one of them was mosaic. 886 00:41:39,738 --> 00:41:41,913 So, you think, I want to get my best chance. 887 00:41:41,947 --> 00:41:43,777 And so I want to use the embryo that looks the best, 888 00:41:43,811 --> 00:41:44,916 that has the highest grade, 889 00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:47,919 and that has really good genetic testing results. 890 00:41:47,953 --> 00:41:49,921 And I don't want to use these garbage embryos 891 00:41:49,955 --> 00:41:51,336 that have tested abnormal 892 00:41:51,370 --> 00:41:52,993 or partially abnormal like a mosaic. 893 00:41:53,027 --> 00:41:57,307 One of the normal embryos did, not survive the thaw 894 00:41:57,342 --> 00:42:00,276 so Erin and her husband Gary considered transferring 895 00:42:00,310 --> 00:42:03,037 the mosaic embryo with the remaining normal one. 896 00:42:03,072 --> 00:42:04,280 We knew we would transfer 897 00:42:04,314 --> 00:42:06,075 this one healthy one that we had left 898 00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:07,041 but then the question was, 899 00:42:07,076 --> 00:42:08,077 what do we do 900 00:42:08,111 --> 00:42:10,079 with the mosaic embryo that's left? 901 00:42:10,113 --> 00:42:13,082 We also didn't want to discard it. Right. 902 00:42:13,116 --> 00:42:15,084 Because there was a certain percentage chance 903 00:42:15,118 --> 00:42:17,086 that it could result in a healthy pregnancy. 904 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:22,091 In the end, one normal embryo and one mosaic embryo 905 00:42:22,125 --> 00:42:25,232 were transferred into the surrogate. 906 00:42:25,266 --> 00:42:28,235 Soon after, Erin and Gary got good news. 907 00:42:28,269 --> 00:42:32,653 Fortunately, we got positive pregnancy results. 908 00:42:32,688 --> 00:42:34,241 So, we knew our surrogate was pregnant. 909 00:42:34,275 --> 00:42:37,244 The two embryos were different sexes. 910 00:42:37,278 --> 00:42:39,246 So, the healthy one was a male embryo 911 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,905 and the mosaic embryo was a female. 912 00:42:42,939 --> 00:42:45,908 When we were told there was just one 913 00:42:45,942 --> 00:42:47,668 and that it had implanted, 914 00:42:47,703 --> 00:42:49,394 we assumed that we were having a boy. 915 00:42:51,707 --> 00:42:53,674 A blood test revealed a girl. 916 00:42:53,709 --> 00:42:56,677 The mosaic embryo had implanted. 917 00:42:56,712 --> 00:42:58,679 In discussing the risks associated 918 00:42:58,714 --> 00:43:01,682 with transferring a potentially abnormal embryo, 919 00:43:01,717 --> 00:43:05,686 we talk about three possible scenarios. 920 00:43:05,721 --> 00:43:08,724 One is that the embryo just wouldn't implant. 921 00:43:08,758 --> 00:43:11,692 The second scenario is that that embryo would implant 922 00:43:11,727 --> 00:43:13,107 and it would result in a miscarriage. 923 00:43:13,142 --> 00:43:16,455 The third possible scenario though is that 924 00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:20,459 if the embryo truly is abnormal and implants, 925 00:43:20,494 --> 00:43:24,429 it could result in a baby with genetic abnormalities 926 00:43:24,463 --> 00:43:27,466 due to abnormal cells being present. 927 00:43:27,501 --> 00:43:31,470 Before we will transfer a mosaic embryo in any patient, 928 00:43:31,505 --> 00:43:33,680 they need to have genetic counseling. 929 00:43:33,714 --> 00:43:36,337 That throws you into a whole other world 930 00:43:36,372 --> 00:43:38,374 that you have to get expertise in 931 00:43:38,408 --> 00:43:41,342 to decide if that's going be a viable pregnancy 932 00:43:41,377 --> 00:43:43,068 and how do you find out if it is 933 00:43:43,103 --> 00:43:45,070 and will we need to look at early termination 934 00:43:45,105 --> 00:43:47,072 or what are the odds that this 935 00:43:47,107 --> 00:43:49,074 is a miscarriage. 936 00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:51,076 And if it's not, what are the odds 937 00:43:51,111 --> 00:43:53,078 that this is a baby who will be born with special needs. 938 00:43:53,113 --> 00:43:57,600 There have been several case reports of patients 939 00:43:57,635 --> 00:44:01,604 who have had pregnancies from transfer of mosaic embryos. 940 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:06,367 And I think it's too early to say whether any of these embryos 941 00:44:06,402 --> 00:44:08,369 actually translate into birth defects for the baby. 942 00:44:08,404 --> 00:44:14,168 Maybe later in life as we follow these babies as they grow older, 943 00:44:14,203 --> 00:44:16,170 there might be something that's identified 944 00:44:16,205 --> 00:44:17,724 that's related to the mosaicism. 945 00:44:20,588 --> 00:44:22,107 We're in this world of testing everything 946 00:44:22,142 --> 00:44:23,557 and going through I.V.F., 947 00:44:23,591 --> 00:44:25,524 we're getting all this information that most couples 948 00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:28,527 that have natural pregnancies 949 00:44:28,562 --> 00:44:31,013 never even have to face. 950 00:44:33,084 --> 00:44:35,051 What we really care about is whether the baby 951 00:44:35,086 --> 00:44:39,021 is going to have the proper amount of genetic material. 952 00:44:39,055 --> 00:44:40,160 But what we're testing 953 00:44:40,194 --> 00:44:42,127 is a small portion of the trophectoderm, 954 00:44:42,162 --> 00:44:44,129 which we know is the portion of the embryo 955 00:44:44,164 --> 00:44:47,132 that's destined to become the placenta. 956 00:44:47,167 --> 00:44:51,136 So, there is some controversy over how accurate this test is 957 00:44:51,171 --> 00:44:53,138 and whether we are at the point where we should be doing it 958 00:44:53,173 --> 00:44:54,415 for all of our patients. 959 00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:57,867 Yes, go, go! 960 00:44:57,902 --> 00:44:59,973 Mother Nature's all about spectrum, all about continuum. 961 00:45:00,007 --> 00:45:03,977 So, there's no embryo that has all normal cells. 962 00:45:04,011 --> 00:45:06,980 If 70% of the cells are abnormal, 963 00:45:07,014 --> 00:45:08,947 those are called high-level mosaic. 964 00:45:11,018 --> 00:45:13,607 If only 30% of the cells are abnormal, 965 00:45:13,641 --> 00:45:15,643 those are low-level mosaics. 966 00:45:15,678 --> 00:45:18,646 When fewer abnormal cells are present, 967 00:45:18,681 --> 00:45:21,546 miscarriage rates are predicted to go down 968 00:45:21,580 --> 00:45:24,514 and the chances for a live birth increase. 969 00:45:24,549 --> 00:45:26,620 There seems to be a better outcome 970 00:45:26,654 --> 00:45:28,449 with the lower level mosaics over the high-level mosaics, 971 00:45:28,484 --> 00:45:29,485 but we're still learning that. 972 00:45:31,211 --> 00:45:33,834 There is actually a lot of research that suggests that 973 00:45:33,869 --> 00:45:35,836 the embryo may be capable of correcting itself 974 00:45:35,871 --> 00:45:37,148 once it's inside. 975 00:45:38,287 --> 00:45:41,290 But how? 976 00:45:41,324 --> 00:45:44,293 Researchers... including Dr. Shawn Chavez... 977 00:45:44,327 --> 00:45:47,227 have found evidence that suggests that on day four, 978 00:45:47,261 --> 00:45:50,402 the embryo performs a self-inspection. 979 00:45:50,437 --> 00:45:52,991 I like to liken it to a card game. 980 00:45:53,026 --> 00:45:57,547 So that you can actually share information with your neighbor. 981 00:45:57,582 --> 00:46:00,550 And so you can start to decide, based on your card game, 982 00:46:00,585 --> 00:46:04,554 who looks good to become a placental cell, 983 00:46:04,589 --> 00:46:06,556 part of the placenta, and who looks good 984 00:46:06,591 --> 00:46:08,524 to become part of the inner cell mass, 985 00:46:08,558 --> 00:46:11,389 which is going to become an embryo. 986 00:46:13,632 --> 00:46:15,600 At this developmental stage, 987 00:46:15,634 --> 00:46:18,603 Dr. Chavez has noticed embryos discarding cells 988 00:46:18,637 --> 00:46:22,607 or fragments of cells that are chromosomally damaged. 989 00:46:22,641 --> 00:46:25,990 They have a significant amount of DNA damage. 990 00:46:26,024 --> 00:46:28,924 And we think that the embryo actually knows that it's there 991 00:46:28,958 --> 00:46:30,718 and basically has a signal to it that says, 992 00:46:30,753 --> 00:46:32,168 "You are not going to divide 993 00:46:32,203 --> 00:46:34,170 "because you're chromosomally abnormal 994 00:46:34,205 --> 00:46:37,173 and your DNA is highly damaged." 995 00:46:37,208 --> 00:46:39,382 I really like to point out your attention 996 00:46:39,417 --> 00:46:42,972 is this large excluded cell. 997 00:46:43,007 --> 00:46:45,388 So, you can see based on its size, 998 00:46:45,423 --> 00:46:48,357 it probably came from very, very early in development. 999 00:46:48,391 --> 00:46:50,393 Besides being excluded, 1000 00:46:50,428 --> 00:46:53,017 it is never allowed to divide again. 1001 00:46:53,051 --> 00:46:55,985 More needs to be understood about mosaic embryos, 1002 00:46:56,020 --> 00:46:57,987 but some couples... 1003 00:46:58,022 --> 00:46:59,989 especially those who are running out of options... 1004 00:47:00,024 --> 00:47:03,821 are deciding that the prospect of having a healthy child 1005 00:47:03,855 --> 00:47:05,823 is worth the risks. 1006 00:47:05,857 --> 00:47:08,826 If a woman only produces mosaic embryos, 1007 00:47:08,860 --> 00:47:11,829 most clinics don't want that liability. 1008 00:47:11,863 --> 00:47:13,416 I think the tide is turning. 1009 00:47:13,451 --> 00:47:16,419 I think they're finally starting to realize 1010 00:47:16,454 --> 00:47:20,009 if that's the only thing a woman has is a mosaic embryo, 1011 00:47:20,044 --> 00:47:22,011 that they should give it a shot. 1012 00:47:22,046 --> 00:47:25,014 And so, I'm hoping that more clinics 1013 00:47:25,049 --> 00:47:28,086 are going to accept that responsibility. 1014 00:47:29,777 --> 00:47:31,572 Finally, in August of 2020, 1015 00:47:31,607 --> 00:47:33,574 American Society for Reproduction Medicine 1016 00:47:33,609 --> 00:47:35,542 came out with a committee opinion 1017 00:47:35,576 --> 00:47:37,578 saying that every single clinic 1018 00:47:37,613 --> 00:47:40,581 needs to have a policy in place for mosaic embryos 1019 00:47:40,616 --> 00:47:42,963 and patients need to be told about it as well. 1020 00:47:44,482 --> 00:47:46,518 Don't let a clinic or a testing lab 1021 00:47:46,553 --> 00:47:48,520 tell you you shouldn't use these embryos. 1022 00:47:48,555 --> 00:47:52,524 Keep them and maybe if you are more comfortable, 1023 00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:54,526 use them as a lower priority. 1024 00:47:54,561 --> 00:47:57,219 But they really could be a real baby. 1025 00:48:06,262 --> 00:48:09,956 We transferred baby girl a few weeks ago. 1026 00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:12,959 We got a positive pregnancy test, 1027 00:48:12,993 --> 00:48:14,926 which we were over the moon about. 1028 00:48:14,961 --> 00:48:15,927 And a few days later, 1029 00:48:15,962 --> 00:48:18,999 my HCG level, 1030 00:48:19,034 --> 00:48:22,761 which is the indicator of your pregnancy, went down. 1031 00:48:22,796 --> 00:48:24,971 And then it was confirmed that I... 1032 00:48:25,005 --> 00:48:26,973 we had a miscarriage. 1033 00:48:28,629 --> 00:48:32,564 One in four women of reproductive age will experience 1034 00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:34,325 a pregnancy loss 1035 00:48:34,359 --> 00:48:36,568 at some point in her reproductive lifetime. 1036 00:48:36,603 --> 00:48:39,778 That means 25% of women. 1037 00:48:39,813 --> 00:48:43,058 It is quite natural and very common 1038 00:48:43,092 --> 00:48:45,060 for women to blame themselves. 1039 00:48:45,094 --> 00:48:47,062 And the first way to help someone understand 1040 00:48:47,096 --> 00:48:49,512 it's not their fault 1041 00:48:49,547 --> 00:48:52,515 is to let them know how common this is. 1042 00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:55,518 Through this journey we've come closer and closer and closer 1043 00:48:55,553 --> 00:48:57,520 to being able to actually have a child. 1044 00:48:57,555 --> 00:49:00,523 And it feels like it's within reach. 1045 00:49:00,558 --> 00:49:03,009 It's just, just barely out of reach. 1046 00:49:03,043 --> 00:49:04,734 Are you sleeping... 1047 00:49:04,769 --> 00:49:08,980 Cassie and Zack have one remaining embryo to transfer. 1048 00:49:09,015 --> 00:49:12,225 For the next frozen embryo transfer, I'm nervous. 1049 00:49:12,259 --> 00:49:14,227 I have one more embryo left. 1050 00:49:14,261 --> 00:49:16,229 This needs to work. 1051 00:49:16,263 --> 00:49:19,232 And if this doesn't work, what's next? 1052 00:49:19,266 --> 00:49:21,130 We haven't talked about what's next, 1053 00:49:21,165 --> 00:49:22,235 if this doesn't work, 1054 00:49:22,269 --> 00:49:25,963 because we're just praying that it does. 1055 00:49:25,997 --> 00:49:30,864 I.V.F. succeeds only about half the time for couples. 1056 00:49:33,729 --> 00:49:37,975 Cassie and Zack's last embryo resulted in another miscarriage. 1057 00:49:38,009 --> 00:49:40,701 They plan to try again with I.V.F., 1058 00:49:40,736 --> 00:49:43,670 starting with another surgery for Zack. 1059 00:49:47,087 --> 00:49:50,711 To hold onto hope means to look beyond 1060 00:49:50,746 --> 00:49:54,715 what might be negative or what might not be working out 1061 00:49:54,750 --> 00:49:57,856 in a way that you desire to happen in that time 1062 00:49:57,891 --> 00:50:00,514 and know that something better is going to come. 1063 00:50:03,793 --> 00:50:09,213 I went through my third round of I.V.F. in May of 2018. 1064 00:50:09,247 --> 00:50:14,218 They retrieved two eggs, they fertilized. 1065 00:50:14,252 --> 00:50:16,220 My doctor came into the room and I'll never forget she said, 1066 00:50:16,254 --> 00:50:20,224 "Tiffany, they look great!" 1067 00:50:20,258 --> 00:50:25,160 And I remember thinking, you know... 1068 00:50:25,194 --> 00:50:26,230 no one's ever said that to me. 1069 00:50:26,264 --> 00:50:27,610 No one's ever said they look great. 1070 00:50:27,645 --> 00:50:30,096 Like this is... I have a shot. 1071 00:50:30,130 --> 00:50:33,616 And so, we put them both back in and the rest is history. 1072 00:50:33,651 --> 00:50:36,033 I gave birth to my son nine months later. 1073 00:50:36,067 --> 00:50:40,037 And he is everything that I prayed for, 1074 00:50:40,071 --> 00:50:42,039 everything that I've been waiting for, 1075 00:50:42,073 --> 00:50:44,179 everything that, like, I didn't know I needed. 1076 00:50:47,423 --> 00:50:49,701 Reverend Stacey Edwards-Dunn and her husband Earl 1077 00:50:49,736 --> 00:50:53,119 decided to try one last time. 1078 00:50:53,153 --> 00:50:54,396 After seven years, I just told her, 1079 00:50:54,430 --> 00:50:57,502 I said, "Let's try one more time," 1080 00:50:57,537 --> 00:50:58,814 because I think I had a good feeling. 1081 00:50:58,848 --> 00:51:01,713 Our bonding together, our faiths together, 1082 00:51:01,748 --> 00:51:04,544 that, that whole collectiveness. 1083 00:51:06,615 --> 00:51:09,066 On January 2, we received the call 1084 00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:12,069 from the doctor around 2:30. 1085 00:51:12,103 --> 00:51:14,105 Everything, like the world seemed to stop. 1086 00:51:14,140 --> 00:51:17,074 The doctor, the nurses, everybody was on the phone, 1087 00:51:17,108 --> 00:51:19,076 saying, "We call with good news. 1088 00:51:19,110 --> 00:51:20,732 We want you to know that you are pregnant." 1089 00:51:26,773 --> 00:51:27,774 Our daughter that... Shiloh, 1090 00:51:27,808 --> 00:51:30,570 that was born on September 11... 1091 00:51:30,604 --> 00:51:33,573 she is she's a gift to so many. 1092 00:51:33,607 --> 00:51:36,576 Whether your path is becoming pregnant naturally 1093 00:51:36,610 --> 00:51:39,648 or becoming a parent through I.V.F., 1094 00:51:39,682 --> 00:51:41,684 donor eggs, donor sperm, 1095 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,309 surrogacy, embryo adoption, or adoption... 1096 00:51:45,343 --> 00:51:49,313 there is a plan or a path for you. 1097 00:51:49,347 --> 00:51:54,318 That's what you hold onto and know at the end of the path, 1098 00:51:54,352 --> 00:51:56,354 there is a miracle waiting for you. 1099 00:51:56,389 --> 00:52:00,979 And whatever path that is, the path isn't deficient, 1100 00:52:01,014 --> 00:52:03,189 it's just different. 86511

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