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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,120 This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,600 I was raised in Syria. 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,840 I came to the United States in 1989. 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,080 I had some interaction with Bashar the first year 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,200 and throughout medical school. 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,240 It's very ironic that we were classmates. 7 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:22,960 One of us is bombing hospitals 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,160 and one of us is treating the victims of the bombing. 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,920 Unfortunately... 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,920 ..we have totally different pathways and... 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,280 I'm just tired. 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,400 I wish that Bashar al-Assad was there to see 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,520 what's happening in Aleppo. 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,120 When you swear the Hippocratic oath, 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,280 the first rule of humanitarian medicine is impartiality. 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,040 That means you allow doctors and nurses and ambulances 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,960 to treat even the injured fighters. 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,320 So, when you target hospitals, when you target doctors, 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,280 when you kill doctors and nurses... 20 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:09,400 I don't know. 21 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,680 I know the man behind the presidency. 22 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,720 I know the father he is to his children 23 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,800 and I know the husband that he is to me. 24 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,400 And, more importantly, I know that he's a man who cares. 25 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,080 You ask yourself, how does this mild-mannered eye doctor, 26 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,120 how does he end up killing hundreds of thousands of people? 27 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,800 Syria, a cradle of civilisation. 28 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:31,640 Over the centuries, it has been ruled by the Roman 29 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:35,600 and Muslim empires, the Ottomans and the French. 30 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,120 In 1970, the Assad family took control. 31 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:52,240 Now it's 2010 and Bashar, a former eye doctor 32 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,280 who trained in London, is in charge. 33 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:12,200 Bashar and his wife Asma are in a precarious psychological position. 34 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,480 Their government has been accused of killing political opponents 35 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,400 and massacring prisoners. 36 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,760 And yet they have promised the Syrian people 37 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,360 freedoms and reform. 38 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,520 The world now waits to see which path they will ultimately take. 39 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,600 EXCITED SHOUTING 40 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,960 APPLAUSE GROWS 41 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,480 TRANSLATION: 42 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:34,840 PRAYERS RING OUT 43 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,640 In many ways, he is the same person I met before he became president. 44 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,320 He is very calm, he's very thoughtful. 45 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,560 But probably one of the best things about him 46 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,720 is that he is so easy to talk to. 47 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,280 You can talk to him about anything and everything. 48 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:45,040 And that's great. 49 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:49,360 You like this restaurant, Mr President? 50 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,000 This is where we had dinner 51 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,560 with President Sarkozy, the same place. 52 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,160 On the 17th December 2010, Asma is interviewed 53 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,520 for a profile piece by Vogue magazine. 54 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:14,680 The same day in Tunisia, a fruit seller sets himself on fire 55 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,960 to protest against corruption... 56 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,240 ..the first action in what would become the Arab Spring, 57 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,360 the start of revolutions across the Middle East. 58 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,200 So, I'm Robert Ford, 59 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,280 former American ambassador to Syria. 60 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:55,120 Vermont is about as far away from the Middle East as you can get. 61 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,760 It's green, it has long, cold winters. 62 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,000 The summers are very mild 63 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,720 and we have yet to ever have a roadside bomb. 64 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,960 When I arrived in Damascus in mid-January of 2011, 65 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,720 I brought to Bashar al-Assad 66 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,600 the letter from President Barack Obama. 67 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,760 It basically just said "This is Robert Ford, 68 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,800 "he's a great guy, please work with him and help him out." 69 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,600 I wanted to be polite - I mean, I'm a diplomat, right? 70 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,840 I've got to deal with his government. 71 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,160 So I wanted to ask him, are you worried about 72 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,440 the Arab Spring coming to Syria? 73 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,960 Certainly, everybody in Damascus was wondering about that. 74 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,240 And so, I couldn't quite figure out how to ask the question 75 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,280 in a polite way, like, "Are you worried about being overthrown?" 76 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,360 So, I think I said something like, "There's a lot on the television 77 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,440 "about the winds blowing in North Africa. 78 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,520 "Are you worried about the winds coming here?" 79 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,040 I thought that was slightly opaque, but he certainly understood it. 80 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,520 He was very comfortable, very relaxed, and he said, "No." 81 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,160 He said, "That's not going to happen here 82 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,760 "because the Syrian people strongly support the government 83 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,280 "and so we don't have to worry about that here." 84 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,240 Meanwhile, around the world, the Vogue magazine article 85 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,160 hits the newsstands. 86 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,720 In it, Bashar is portrayed as a very modern leader 87 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:39,240 and Asma is shown in this iconic portrait, looking out over Damascus, 88 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,520 lit by the evening sun. 89 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,320 She's dubbed The Desert Rose. 90 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,640 "A thin, long-limbed beauty with a trained analytic mind 91 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,160 "who dresses with cunning understatement. 92 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,600 "Paris Match calls her, 93 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,680 "the element of light in a country full of shadows." 94 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:00,640 "She is the first lady of Syria." 95 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,120 It was such, like, a kind of breeze of air, fresh air. 96 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,560 That woman with her short hair and short skirts, 97 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:16,360 walking not behind her husband 98 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,080 but actually hand-in-hand with him. 99 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,840 And I think in that way, Asma al-Assad was the first 100 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:28,320 kind of iconic symbol of what a Syrian and Arab woman can be. 101 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,240 This article was not targeted for Syrians, 102 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,440 it was targeted to the Western public. 103 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,840 Bashar al-Assad knew, at that stage, that the regime could fall 104 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,040 and he could lose his place in Syria. 105 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,120 Asma has been touring schools, 106 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:17,160 inspiring students to change Syria and speak their minds. 107 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:24,400 In February 2011, in the southern Syrian town of Deraa, 108 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,080 a group of teenagers write graffiti on the wall of their school. 109 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,440 It says, "Your turn next, Doctor." 110 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:03,960 Atef Najib is Bashar's first cousin on his mother's side. 111 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,640 Not part of the inner circle, 112 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,840 he's been given the job of head of security in the town of Deraa. 113 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,600 Bashar's cousin Atef's actions towards the children 114 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,520 sparks outrage in the town, 115 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,160 and demonstrators take to the streets. 116 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,240 The Assad family has watched as other regimes in the Middle East 117 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,160 have been overthrown by the people. 118 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,800 Now they have protest marches in Syria. 119 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,960 I went to his house. 120 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,360 I told Bashar, "Please, Mr President, 121 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,160 "try to avoid bloodshed. 122 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,840 "Try to avoid bloodshed." 123 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,600 He said, "We will, we will, OK. Everything will be OK." 124 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,760 GUNS FIRE 125 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:33,160 RAPID GUNFIRE 126 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,360 JEERING AND SHOUTING 127 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,160 After the shootings in Deraa, 128 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,200 thousands take to the streets to protest. 129 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,440 It is the most serious unrest the country has seen in decades. 130 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,920 For two weeks, Bashar is nowhere to be seen. 131 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,320 The world awaits his response. 132 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,040 There was some discussion in the diplomatic cocktail circuit 133 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,720 as to whether or not Bashar was on the side of reform 134 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,360 or on the side of repression. 135 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:31,480 People expected Assad to speak to them 136 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,800 after the first demonstration in Deraa. 137 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,840 And it was a very simple thing that they expected. 138 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,120 "I apologise for what happened to the children of Deraa," 139 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:49,320 and he will say, "Forgive us for what we have done, 140 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,000 "let's close that chapter. 141 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,280 "Atef Najib will be removed 142 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,320 "and I am ready to listen to you, just listen to you." 143 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,160 He saw what happened in Tunisia, he saw what happened in Egypt, 144 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,520 he saw what happened in Libya and Yemen and Bahrain. 145 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,160 He will capture this moment and become a leader. 146 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,560 APPLAUSE 147 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,560 CROWD CHANTS: 148 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:28,040 And so Bashar arrives at what some see as the key moment in his life. 149 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,560 He has to choose whether to give the people the reforms they want 150 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,600 or to try and tough it out and crack down. 151 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,720 There was a point in time where there really was a sense 152 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,040 that Assad was going to step down, that he was not his father, 153 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,400 and that he was not going 154 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,040 to be willing to fight for power. 155 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,000 And... 156 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,080 ..what the intelligence community was able to find out 157 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,000 was that his mother was putting tremendous pressure on him 158 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,800 to basically stand up and be like his father, 159 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:37,960 and that he owed it to his father to fight for continuing power 160 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,840 and not to just walk away. 161 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,560 This gets down to basic 162 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,560 mother-son relationships. 163 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,560 HE LAUGHS 164 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:07,440 You know, using the ghost of his father as leverage 165 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,840 to give him a spine to fight on. 166 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,920 CHANTING RESUMES 167 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,600 I understand the meaning behind the words. 168 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:27,120 I understood that this is a person who is not serious about reform, 169 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:30,200 and that Syria would go through a bad time. 170 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,760 That was very disappointing. 171 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,240 I mean, my dreams and my generation's dreams were dashed 172 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,920 because of that speech. 173 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,560 The speech causes more protests. 174 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,640 And again, the security forces open fire. 175 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,960 GUNFIRE 176 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,720 Over 100 people are killed. 177 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,160 FEMALE VOICE SINGS: 178 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,000 SHE SINGS: 179 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,360 EXPLOSION 180 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,080 AMBIENT MUSIC PLAYS 181 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,080 At that time there was the story of a child from Deraa, 182 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,240 his name was Hamza Al-Khateeb. 183 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,120 Well, Hamza Al-Khateeb was a young Syrian boy, 184 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:02,120 I think he was 11 or 12. 185 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,960 He was taken by intelligence agents. 186 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,560 There was agreement on that. 187 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,760 And his body was delivered to the family some days later, 188 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,560 and bearing signs of torture. 189 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,480 Good afternoon, everyone. 190 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:37,800 With respect to Syria, I too was, um...very concerned 191 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,800 by the reports about the young boy. 192 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,240 In fact, I think what that 193 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,480 symbolises for many Syrians 194 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:55,120 is the...total collapse of any... 195 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:58,960 effort by the Syrian government to 196 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,280 work with and listen to their own people. 197 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,760 13-year-old Hamza's dead body had been returned to his parents 198 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,920 covered in cigarette burns, and his penis had been cut off. 199 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,360 It is seen as a message to the Syrian people 200 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,480 about what happens to protesters. 201 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,360 I said to him, "Mr President, 202 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,760 "who killed, who killed Hamza Al-Khateeb?" 203 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,920 He answered, "We did not torture him... 204 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:59,080 "..but his body was with time, did... was rotten." 205 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,240 I said, "But Mr President, who killed him?" 206 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,280 He said, "We killed him." 207 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,800 So when you hear such, such a guy saying such things 208 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,880 that are beyond imagination, you can see, 209 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,040 you can see the double personality this guy has. 210 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:20,560 AMBIENT MUSIC PLAYS 211 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,520 The question now is the extent to which Bashar 212 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,200 is controlling the actions of his security forces. 213 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,520 The crackdown in the beginning, 214 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,680 the brutality - do you think 215 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,760 it went too far? 216 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,040 I cannot tell you this without the evidence. 217 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,280 You ask me to tell you according to rumours or to reports? 218 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,120 It is not enough for me as President. 219 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:11,360 I have seen awful pictures of what happened. 220 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:12,920 Many people criticise me. 221 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,920 Did they kill all of them? Who killed who? 222 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,720 Most of the people that are being killed 223 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,360 are supporters of the government. 224 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,680 Did you give the order for the crackdown? 225 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,880 No. We gave the order to implement the constitution, 226 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,280 and we don't have policy, we don't have institutions that kill people 227 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,240 or give orders for brutal reaction. 228 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,680 This is an individual and it is what I describe 229 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,280 as individual mistakes. 230 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,680 Not by your command? 231 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,840 No, no, no. We don't have... No-one's command. 232 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,880 There was no command to kill or to be brutal. 233 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,360 In 2011, a secret unit is set up to co-ordinate 234 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:23,240 the Syrian government's military and secret police. 235 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,920 It is called the Central Crisis Management Cell. 236 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,360 This man is a defector who used to work for that unit. 237 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,080 He risked his life to smuggle out the incriminating documents 238 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,080 with Bashar's signature at the bottom. 239 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,960 Many have wondered about what seems to be a disconnect between 240 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,160 the person Bashar appears to be and his actions - 241 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,680 almost like they're two different people. 242 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,560 Part of the explanation is that there is another person - 243 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,080 his brother. 244 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:45,600 There's a real question - to what degree is this a duopoly? 245 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:51,040 The mother is said to have preferred Maher as the successor, 246 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,720 but was overruled by Hafez. 247 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,480 On the one hand, Bashar was the civilian face, 248 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,560 the dignified leader of the country. On the other hand, 249 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,440 Maher would be the aggressive side of the regime. 250 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,000 I don't think Bashar is or ever has been 251 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,440 comfortable with force and brutality. 252 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:25,040 That's delegated to and designated for his younger brother. 253 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,320 I see Bashar in the surgical amphitheatre. 254 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,360 Up in the viewing parts of that amphitheatre. 255 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,360 And his brother being down there in this... 256 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,440 bathed in blood. 257 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,600 While that's uncomfortable for Bashar, 258 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,240 he thinks it's necessary for the health of the nation. 259 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,520 RIFLE SHOT 260 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,480 WHISTLING 261 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,000 RIFLE SHOT 262 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,440 SCREAMING 263 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,680 RIFLE SHOT 264 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,280 In 2011, Syria is on the brink. 265 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,080 Mass demonstrations are taking place across the country. 266 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,760 Some members of the military join the uprising, and the largest 267 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,360 demonstration yet takes place in the town of Hama. 268 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,480 CROWD CHANTS 269 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,320 They already started these very large protests in Hama, 270 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:29,080 and I sent an Arabic-speaking young American diplomat up to Hama 271 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,480 to see the protests, and they came back and said, 272 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,800 "They're very peaceful. 273 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,680 "They're handing out flowers and releasing doves into the air 274 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,240 "and chanting, 'Peaceful, peaceful,' in Arabic." 275 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,480 We then heard the government's military had surrounded the city. 276 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,720 CHANTING 277 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,320 We certainly knew the history of what had happened 278 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,880 in Hama in 1982. 279 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,080 In 1982, in Hama, a group called the Muslim Brotherhood had wanted 280 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,880 to overthrow Bashar's father, Hafez, 281 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,240 and set up an Islamic government. 282 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,280 Hafez sent his brother, Rifaat, to deal with it. 283 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,880 Rifaat had the town bombed... 284 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,240 ..killing 20,000, 285 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,960 many of those civilians. 286 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,880 It is something the Syrian people have never forgotten. 287 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,840 Now, 30 years later, Hama is rising up again. 288 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,440 VOICE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE 289 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,160 GUNFIRE 290 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,200 SCREAMING 291 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,560 100 demonstrators are killed. 292 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,640 But, perhaps aware of the history, 293 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,240 the Assad regime stops short of bombing the town. 294 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,200 Uprisings are now taking place in the key towns across the country, 295 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,200 and the conflict is becoming ever more sectarian. 296 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,400 While the Assad family are from the Alawite religious sect, 297 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,360 a tiny minority, Syria is majority Sunni Muslim, 298 00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:00,040 and the Sunni town of Homs becomes the capital of the rebellion. 299 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,200 CROWD CHANTS: 300 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,080 At this point, Bashar makes a surprising move. 301 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,000 He brings his brother-in-law back into the fold. 302 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,120 Assef Shawkat is the black sheep of the family. 303 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:48,120 Shawkat had been seen as a potential threat to Bashar's leadership, 304 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,040 so he had been sidelined. 305 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:59,720 Assef Shawkat was one of the most amazing figures in Damascus. 306 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,600 And he always was a warrior. 307 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,440 He would fight to achieve his goals. 308 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,240 This man is very, very ambitious. 309 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,200 But now Bashar needs him. 310 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,280 Basically, it's a test, it's a test for him. 311 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:27,600 Can he deliver on the project? Can he succeed on delivering Homs 312 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,400 for the regime? 313 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:35,960 If so, then he demonstrates his mettle, his loyalty to the regime 314 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,840 as a whole, but it also, for him, it also elevates him, 315 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,880 elevates his status. 316 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,920 HE YELLS IN OWN LANGUAGE 317 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,240 HEAVY GUNFIRE 318 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,560 At this point, the world starts to notice the scale 319 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,880 of what is going on... 320 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,880 The situation is incredible. 321 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,000 It's nonstop bombardment of the civilian area. 322 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,040 ..as a heroic journalist and her cameraman enter the town. 323 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,560 Marie, I mean, you have covered a lot of conflicts 324 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,320 over a long time - how does this compare? 325 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:54,040 And the Assads cross another moral line. 326 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,960 Evidence suggests that they used the satellite positioning 327 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,960 of the phone that Marie Colvin is using to report with 328 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,440 to pinpoint her exact location... 329 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,960 ..and kill her, too. 330 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,080 Much of Homs is destroyed by government shelling. 331 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,680 Asma's family all come from Homs. 332 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,240 So now many wonder how she feels about her husband's actions. 333 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,840 We've been wondering, "Where is she in all of this?" 334 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,280 And wondering, "When is she going to leave? How is she going to get out? 335 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,120 "How is she going to be smuggled out?" 336 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,680 I'm sure she could have had opportunities to leave, 337 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,800 and I know that she has had opportunities to leave. 338 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,880 Why on earth would she remain with this guy? 339 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,440 How can she live with herself at night? 340 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,080 Well, from my perspective, it was never a question of preference. 341 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,480 I stood by him because my conviction didn't tell me otherwise. 342 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,000 I have been here since the beginning, and I never thought 343 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,840 of being anywhere else at all. 344 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,680 And secondly, yes, I was offered the opportunity 345 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,160 to leave Syria, or rather to run from Syria. 346 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,480 These offers included guarantees of safety and protection 347 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,640 for my children and even financial security. 348 00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:52,520 It doesn't take a genius to know what these people were really after. 349 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,720 It was never about my wellbeing or my children. 350 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:59,200 It was a deliberate attempt to shatter people's confidence 351 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,880 in their President. 352 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:09,240 In 2012, the Guardian newspaper obtains the private e-mails 353 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:11,000 of Bashar and Asma. 354 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,160 They show Bashar's flirtatious correspondence 355 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,040 with some of his female aides, leading some to speculate 356 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,360 if he is having affairs. 357 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,440 They show that Asma is ordering expensive goods from Harrods. 358 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,600 And they swap messages of love and support. 359 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,920 I think the leaks of e-mails 360 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,320 among the Assad family 361 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:48,720 reinforced our sense that the... President Bashar and his wife 362 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,680 were a bit removed from 363 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,680 the day-to-day ghastliness and brutality of the conflict. 364 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,040 I mean, Mrs al-Assad was the sort of person 365 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,440 who liked to be able to shop in Paris and London. 366 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,000 She was confined - not just confined to Syria, 367 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,040 she was confined to the Presidential Palace for years on end. 368 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,360 I suspect that she found that very, very difficult, 369 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,200 and she'd have to be looked after. 370 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,400 Running battles are now taking place across Syria, 371 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,280 with atrocities committed by both sides. 372 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,640 In June 2012, the United Nations 373 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,400 declares that Syria is in a state of civil war. 374 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,040 One member of the family begins to wonder 375 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,000 if they are following the right path. 376 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,840 Bashar's charismatic brother-in-law, Assef Shawkat. 377 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,440 I think, probably, he was willing to negotiate 378 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,760 an end to the conflict. 379 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,840 He was willing to push the Syrians towards a different path. 380 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:40,880 He was counselling Bashar to, you know, head down another route, 381 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:46,040 but that would have been directly in opposition to, you know, Anisa, 382 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,280 what Anisa wanted Bashar to do. 383 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:56,040 They saw him possibly being, you know, an appeaser. 384 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:04,640 This is a family that requires 100% loyalty, and loyalty to the project, 385 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,600 to the family project. 386 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,640 At this point, the killing becomes more personal. 387 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,600 Inside the Ministry of Defence, a bomb goes off. 388 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,320 How could somebody so close to the family, 389 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,040 with such a strong security detail, be assassinated? 390 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,560 Very hard to imagine that the Free Syrian Army 391 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,480 or the rebels would have had sufficient intelligence 392 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,800 to have carried out that attack. 393 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:29,160 It strikes me as something that must have been known within the family. 394 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,600 Assef was still having his own concept 395 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,040 about how the whole game should be played 396 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,880 and the whole country should be ruled. 397 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,720 Yeah. 398 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:47,480 It's always dangerous - 399 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,640 and...he is dead now. 400 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:53,400 CROWD CHANTS 401 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,360 Hundreds line the streets for Assef Shawkat's funeral, 402 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,240 but Bashar and Asma do not attend. 403 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:48,000 Over and over throughout the crisis he tends to use medical terminology. 404 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:54,760 He mentioned that you have tens of thousands of germs in your body, 405 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,280 and eradicating these germs, 406 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,520 that will improve your body immunity. 407 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,600 So the meaning, of course, 408 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,400 that you can kill tens of thousands of Syrians, because they are germs, 409 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,640 and that will empower Syria 410 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,360 or increase the power of Syria or strengthen Syria. 411 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,680 This is an extreme way of killing people. 412 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,840 Even if you are the most brutal person on earth, 413 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,840 you should not let people and children die that way. 414 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,800 Sarin gas is the most brutal way of killing people. 415 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,240 When we talk about the use of chemical agents in Syria, 416 00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:45,840 chemical agents probably killed less than 1% 417 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,120 of the 500,000 people who died in Syria, 418 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,080 but it is the most extreme way of death. 419 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,680 People tell me that I would rather die by a missile 420 00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,520 than dying with sarin gas. 421 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,640 Because, with sarin gas, 422 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,000 you will not actually smell anything, 423 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,680 but you start to feel shortness of breath, 424 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,720 your muscles are paralysed, so you are awake, 425 00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:14,680 but at the same time, you're not able to breathe. 426 00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,840 And sarin gas has been used multiple times in Syria. 427 00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,880 The world now looks to America 428 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,320 to see if they will intervene. 429 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,800 Today we have released our unclassified assessment 430 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,800 that the Syrian regime carried out a chemical weapons attack 431 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:17,080 that killed well over 1,000 people, including hundreds of children. 432 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,880 This follows the horrific images that shocked us all. 433 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,800 And the doctor who went to medical school with Bashar 434 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,640 goes to talk to the President. 435 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,960 I met with President Obama in the White House. 436 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,480 And I told him, "Mr President, I'm a doctor. 437 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,080 "I went in Aleppo and Syria multiple times. 438 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,560 "I've seen the impact of the war on civilians. 439 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,440 "We would like you to be more proactive in ending this violence 440 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,080 "and protecting civilians in Syria, 441 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,680 "and Mr President, I believe that your legacy will be determined 442 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,840 "by what you do in Syria". 443 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,720 So he looked at me and he said, "But, Dr Sahloul, 444 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,800 "my legacy will be determined by other things also." 445 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,200 I said, "But Syria will be the main factor." 446 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:11,720 The President took a long walk, and... 447 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,520 ..the result of that was that the President made the decision 448 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,400 that he was not going to... 449 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,680 He was not going to do it on his own, 450 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,600 but was going to send the issue to the Congress. 451 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,400 What happens next is that Congress 452 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,560 fails to be able to provide the authority to the President. 453 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,480 The American people have no appetite for another war in the Middle East, 454 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,920 and Congress has little desire to support Obama. 455 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,480 So the use of chemical weapons goes unchecked. 456 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,440 ALL SHOUT 457 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,680 In 2013, the remnants of Al-Qaeda and other Islamist groups 458 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,360 unite under a new name. 459 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,480 The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. 460 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,160 Isis. 461 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,480 They declare their intention to take over Syria. 462 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,560 As the Civil War grips Syria, 463 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,640 millions leave the country... 464 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,160 ..often risking their lives. 465 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,720 At the height of the conflict, in February 2016, 466 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:04,400 Bashar's mother, Anisa, dies at the age of 86. 467 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,640 She wanted to be buried in her home town, 200 miles outside of Damascus. 468 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,960 Bashar sets off in a convoy of cars. 469 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,680 This rebel group decide to try to kill him 470 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,080 on the way to his mother's funeral. 471 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,360 Reports emerge of them firing rockets at the convoy... 472 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,560 ..killing some of his entourage, 473 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,040 but Bashar escapes unhurt. 474 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,240 I mean, for any family, when a very strong matriarch goes, 475 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,600 this leaves a vacuum. 476 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:16,840 For Asma, she occupies the space that's been left by Anisa. 477 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,200 At their lowest point, 478 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,720 the Assads control less than 20% of Syria... 479 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,400 ..the ancient city of Palmyra is all but destroyed... 480 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,680 ..and Isis get within three miles 481 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,360 of the gates of the presidential palace... 482 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,280 ..but at this point, Bashar finds a saviour. 483 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:50,800 The Russians' involvement turns the war in Bashar's favour... 484 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,400 Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! 485 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,400 ..and so the son who had wanted to help the blind to see 486 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,800 oversaw the killing of hundreds of thousands of people. 487 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,280 This represents what's happening in Syria. 488 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,360 So, this second-grade child, he drew this. 489 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:36,040 Helicopters that are throwing, it looks like barrel bombs, 490 00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:40,600 house on fire, children who are mutilated and bleeding, 491 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,360 and children who are crying. 492 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,600 What is interesting and very hurtful in this picture, 493 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,680 that children who are dead, they are smiling, 494 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,160 and children who are alive are crying. 495 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,720 As if this child is telling us that people who die in Syria 496 00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,040 are better placed than people who are living. 64346

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