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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:03,960 (Richard Shepherd) When a murder is committed, 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,960 it's always a race against time to find the truth, 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,960 to separate fact from fiction, to catch the killer, 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,960 and to make sure that justice is served. 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,960 But what happens when the truth vanishes with the victim? 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,960 I'm Dr Richard Shepherd, and I've spent 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,960 my entire career as a forensic pathologist, 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,960 performing nearly 23,000 autopsies. 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,960 I've learned that the dead don't hide the truth, 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,640 and they never lie. 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,960 Through me, you'll be hearing directly from the victim. 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,960 With the aid of a state-of-the-art laboratory, 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,960 using ground-breaking technology, 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,800 I'll be investigating a series of intriguing crimes 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:51,960 where, from the victims' bodies, 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,960 are revealed to you the truth behind these murders. 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,960 (camera shutter snapping) 18 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:07,960 -(touch tones beeping) -(line ringing) 19 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:09,960 (Dispatcher) Good morning, Dorset Police. 20 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:17,000 On the 17th of June, 2013, Dorset Police 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,960 pay a welfare visit to a flat in Bournemouth. 22 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:22,960 It's the home of taxi driver William Spiller, 23 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:24,960 who hasn't been seen for some time. 24 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:27,960 And there, they make a gruesome discovery. 25 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:30,960 (sonar beeping) 26 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:36,960 (touch tones beeping) (line rings) 27 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:39,960 Dorset Police receive a phone call from a woman 28 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:42,800 who says she's concerned. 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,960 She's had no contact with her boyfriend for some weeks now. 30 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:50,960 The problem the police have in relation to a phone call 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,960 like that is that they're both adults. 32 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:55,960 They're both grown-ups. 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,960 These are not uncommon things to happen. 34 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,960 If, as an adult, you don't want to contact somebody or call them, 35 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,960 then you're perfectly entitled to do that. 36 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,960 It's a very difficult situation for the police to deal with. 37 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,960 William's girlfriend hadn't heard from him for quite a while. 38 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,800 And obviously, she was worried. 39 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,800 Something didn't seem right. 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,960 And the neighbours also alerted them. 41 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,960 They're reporting there are flies - 42 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,960 dead flies, flies everywhere swarming - and a smell. 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,960 The police or a social services-type organisation 44 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,960 must go and look. 45 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,960 Because, you know, there are welfare concerns. 46 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,960 (Brian Hook) The woman had been receiving 47 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,960 texts and messages via the phone 48 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,960 but had never actually spoken to the boyfriend. 49 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,160 And that was unusual. 50 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,960 And at that point, I think Dorset Police 51 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,960 were quite right to decide 52 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,960 that they would go and check on the person's welfare, 53 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,960 which is basically to go knock on the door 54 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,960 and say, are you OK? 55 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,000 (knocking) 56 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,160 They enter the block of flats. 57 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,960 And as they approach the front door, 58 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:13,960 they are aware of an odour, a musty smell. 59 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,000 They force entry into the flat. 60 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,960 (door clicks open) 61 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,960 The smell was coming from the bedroom, 62 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,960 and there discovered this absolutely horrific scene. 63 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,320 (Brian) Any experienced officer would tell you 64 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:35,960 once you've witnessed that odour of decomposition, 65 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,000 you will never forget it. 66 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,960 There's a TV in the bedroom, and the TV is on a makeshift table 67 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,960 made of four plastic boxes. 68 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:53,960 And it's obvious to them, because of the infestation and the smell, 69 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,960 that they contained remains of some sort. 70 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,640 When the police smelt this and saw all the flies 71 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,000 around these plastic boxes, which are clear, 72 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,320 so they would have seen these body parts. 73 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,960 A further search is made of the flat. 74 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,960 And in a filing cabinet, they find a box. 75 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,960 When they open up that box to see what the contents is, 76 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,960 their worst fears are realised. 77 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,480 They discover it's a human head, 78 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,960 an absolutely horrific find 79 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,960 for the officers that go there initially 80 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,960 to find human remains that have been dismembered. 81 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,960 (Jane Carter Woodrow) It must have been so traumatic for the police 82 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,960 to deal with in that investigation. 83 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,960 Imagine that the forensic scientists or the detectives that 84 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,960 came on after would have been very surprised 85 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,960 by the head in the filing cabinet. 86 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,960 So this particularly grisly murder would have certainly 87 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,960 affected, you know, some of the police in terms of trauma 88 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,960 that they may have suffered afterwards 89 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,480 from dealing with the case. 90 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,640 (Brian) At this point, the officers withdraw. 91 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,480 The flat is cordoned off. 92 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,960 And obviously, detective branch is informed 93 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,160 and a homicide investigation is commenced. 94 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,960 (Kevin Browne) It was immediately clear, 95 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,960 from the way the body parts had been stored, that this 96 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,960 was not typical of a murder scene. 97 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,960 It would be unusual for the police to find something so ordered 98 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,960 and something so obvious. 99 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,320 I mean, usually, if someone is dismembering a body, 100 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,960 it's to conceal it, not to use it as a table for the TV. 101 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,960 So the police would have been very confused about why 102 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,960 has this person gone to so much time 103 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,960 to put a body in boxes 104 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,960 and then just to leave it there for it to be discovered. 105 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,320 So, in this case, this isn't about concealment. 106 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,960 This is about order. 107 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,960 The evidential trail starts right away. 108 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,320 This is actually a very complex crime scene, 109 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,960 even down to some of the things that perhaps might not be obvious. 110 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,960 Do all the body parts belong to the same body, is the first thing, 111 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,960 or are we looking for other victims? 112 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,160 As a pathologist, when I'm faced with multiple body parts, 113 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,320 the first thing I must do is make sure they 114 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,960 all belong to the same person. 115 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,960 We could possibly be dealing with a serial killer. 116 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,960 But in this case, there was a torso, a head, arms and legs, 117 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,640 all neatly severed through the joints 118 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,800 and stacked in plastic boxes. 119 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,960 They did all fit together. 120 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,960 And DNA testing confirmed they all belonged to the same person. 121 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,960 This was the body of a white man in his 40s who was large. 122 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,960 He was around 20-plus stone. 123 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,960 And the cuts through the bone were not 124 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,960 those of an expert, which suggested he'd been dismembered 125 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,960 using some kind of saw. 126 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,960 Certainly, the cuts weren't smooth or made with surgical tools. 127 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,960 But who was it? 128 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,960 One of the most important things in a situation like this, 129 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,480 you have to identify the victim. 130 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,960 That is of paramount importance. 131 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,960 The dismembered body was in such a state of decay, 132 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,960 there was very little left to identify the remains. 133 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,960 But what we did have was his teeth. 134 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,960 The inner soft tissue of the tooth is covered by a layer of enamel, 135 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,960 which is a very, very hard substance, 136 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,960 capable of withstanding incredibly high temperatures 137 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,960 and can sometimes last for hundreds of years after death. 138 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,960 Comparing the teeth with dental records 139 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,960 confirmed that this was 48-year-old taxi driver William Spiller. 140 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,960 (Brian) William was known locally as a gentle giant. 141 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,960 He's a fun-loving, humorous man that was known to a lot of people. 142 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,960 William was in a long-term relationship 143 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,960 with a woman called Glenys. 144 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,960 It was her that had called the police initially. 145 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,960 (Jane) William was a taxi driver. 146 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,960 He seemed very popular where he lived down in Bournemouth. 147 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,960 He was also a doorman at one time. 148 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,960 He loved playing snooker. 149 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,480 He did all the sort of usual things. 150 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,960 He had a caravan at the beach, and he'd go down there. 151 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,320 And he was also a father. 152 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,800 (Richard) William had a 27-year-old son, Nathan Robinson, 153 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,960 who spent his childhood growing up in the Midlands with his mother 154 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,960 before moving to Bournemouth to be with his dad. 155 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,960 (Brian) Nathan studied at Aberystwyth University. 156 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,640 He has a degree in mathematics. 157 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,320 And, at one point, he was considering 158 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,960 doing a master's degree. 159 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,960 (Jane) Nathan had just finished a degree, 160 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,960 graduated from Aberystwyth. 161 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,960 He'd gone to live down in Bournemouth. 162 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,480 He didn't actually have a job at that time, 163 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,960 but the two were living together. 164 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,960 (Brian) It was fairly obvious, when William was found, 165 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,960 that nobody had been in the flat for some time. 166 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,320 However, Nathan had lived with William for some years. 167 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,960 So where is Nathan now? 168 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,960 Nathan falls into two camps. 169 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,960 He's either in the suspect's camp or the victim's. 170 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,800 He could be either at this point. 171 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,960 If Nathan is a suspect or a victim, what's imperative, 172 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,960 regardless of which camp he's in, 173 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,320 we need to find him as a matter of urgency. 174 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,960 In a quiet cul-de-sac in Bournemouth, 175 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,960 police have launched a murder investigation after finding 176 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,960 the dismembered body of taxi driver William Spiller 177 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,960 neatly packed in storage boxes. 178 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,960 There was a torso, a head, arms and legs, 179 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,960 all neatly severed through the joints 180 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,960 and stacked in plastic boxes. 181 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,960 The dismembered body was in such a state of decay, 182 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,960 there was very little left to identify the remains. 183 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:50,960 But dental records confirmed this was 48-year-old William Spiller. 184 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:56,800 William shared his flat with his 26-year-old son, Nathan Robinson. 185 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,960 (Brian) Nathan's not there. 186 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:03,640 From the investigative perspective, why is he not there? 187 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,800 Nathan now has a foot in two potential boxes here. 188 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,960 He's either a suspect. 189 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,960 He could be a victim. 190 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,960 We need to find out which one he's in. 191 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,960 (Richard) Police launched a countrywide search 192 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,960 for William's son. 193 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,960 William's body was dismembered and badly decomposed, 194 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,960 but could it still tell us something 195 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,960 about what had happened to him in those moments before he died? 196 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,960 He was found to have a number of stab 197 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,960 and slash wounds all over his body. 198 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,960 If we look at the torso, we can see the spine and the ribs that 199 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,960 protect the vital internal organs. 200 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,960 But if we look at just the soft tissue of the torso, 201 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,960 we can see that the wounds are superficial. 202 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,960 They cut through the skin and the underlying muscle only. 203 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,960 They go nowhere near penetrating through the ribs 204 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,960 and into the vital organs. 205 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,960 And that's really important because it tells us 206 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,960 that the weapon used to cause these injuries 207 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,960 is very sharp but also very shallow. 208 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,960 During the search of the flat, police seize 209 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:21,960 a Stanley knife - a box cutter - a saw, and a hacksaw. 210 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,960 (Richard) While the Stanley knife was the likely weapon used 211 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,960 to inflict soft tissue wounds on William, 212 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,960 these injuries alone weren't enough to have caused William's death. 213 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,960 But there was something else his body 214 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,960 told us about this brutal attack. 215 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,960 Often, at postmortem, it's not what you see but what you don't see 216 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,960 that can become important. 217 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,960 As we look at William's arms, I can see there are 218 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,320 no slash wounds to his lower arms. 219 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,960 And wounds like that are caused when someone raises 220 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,960 their hand to defend themselves. 221 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,960 They're called defensive injuries. 222 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,960 And the lack of those defensive injuries in this case 223 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,960 suggests to me that this was a sudden attack 224 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,640 and that William was taken by surprise. 225 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,960 So there's no defensive wounds on the body. 226 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,960 And you're talking about a man as big as William, 227 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,960 who is 20 stone and 6'4". 228 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,160 So what you're looking at here is a surprise attack or an attack 229 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,960 by somebody he actually trusted. 230 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,960 And there was no time, obviously, for William to defend himself. 231 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,960 (Kevin) When the police attend any homicide 232 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,960 in a domestic environment, one of their suspicions 233 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,960 is an immediate family member, because, unfortunately, 234 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,960 40% of all homicides actually are domestic homicides 235 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,960 in the home by relatives. 236 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,960 It's actually more common than you think. 237 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,000 And people are more at risk sometimes 238 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,960 from people they know than strangers. 239 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:02,960 And so, therefore, the police would first 240 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,960 investigate the immediate family members for a motive, 241 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,960 for potential harm to each other. 242 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,960 And they would suspect a domestic argument 243 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,000 that had gone too far, etc. 244 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,640 However, they would have been shocked by the fact there was... 245 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,000 that this body had been dismembered and ordered into boxes 246 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,960 and left there in the apartment in such an ordered way, 247 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,640 because that sort of approach to a body 248 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,640 is very unusual in a family murder or domestic murder. 249 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,960 (Richard) The police investigation continued 250 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,960 to focus on Nathan Robinson, and detectives 251 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,960 began to build a picture of his relationship with his father. 252 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:46,960 When the police were searching the flat 253 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,960 looking for evidence, one of the things they found 254 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,960 was an IOU note from Nathan to William 255 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,000 for an absolutely staggering sum - 256 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,960 36,000 pounds. 257 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,960 That is just unbelievable. 258 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,960 Nathan doesn't have a job. 259 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,960 And William is, effectively, funding Nathan's lifestyle. 260 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,960 (Jane) There seemed to be an issue of money between them. 261 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,960 Nathan was certainly seeing, in his father, a cash cow. 262 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,960 He owed his father a lot of money. 263 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,640 And if he needed anything, he would go to his father. 264 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,960 He didn't actually have a job, 265 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,960 although he did have a good degree. 266 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,960 He seemed to depend on his father for money, 267 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,960 and the relationship seemed pretty heavily biased that way. 268 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,960 (Brian) There were obviously problems within the relationship, 269 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,960 and a lot of this stems about money. 270 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,960 William lent Nathan some money so that he 271 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,960 could go on holiday to Thailand. 272 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,000 The understanding was that that money 273 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,320 would be paid back to William, but that never happened. 274 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,960 And the problem arose, because William now 275 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,960 didn't have that money, he was unable to pay 276 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,960 the insurance for his taxi. 277 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,960 It's his livelihood. That's how he makes his living. 278 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,000 Nathan wasn't in education. 279 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,960 So the father's expectation would be that he should support 280 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,960 himself through being employed. 281 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:28,960 And of course, there would have been 282 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,800 a disappointment for the father if that didn't happen. 283 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,960 So that would have created conflict. 284 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,960 (Richard) Police inquiries with friends and family 285 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,960 revealed that Nathan and his father repeatedly clashed over money. 286 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,960 Do you expect me to subsidise you for the rest of your life, 287 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,960 was one of the remarks that was heard by a neighbour 288 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,960 during one of their arguments. 289 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,960 (Jane) Money can be a source of conflict 290 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,960 in a relationship within a family. 291 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,800 It certainly can be. 292 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,960 There was a conflict between them about money, 293 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,480 and that seemed to escalate over time. 294 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,960 (Richard) As work continued on tracking Nathan down, 295 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,960 detectives needed to establish a timeline 296 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,960 of events around William's death. 297 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,000 The time when that person might have died is paramount 298 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,960 because it will direct your investigation. 299 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,960 It will also give you a window of when that person died. 300 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,960 You get that, you know where to start your inquiries. 301 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,960 (Richard) Pinpointing an exact time of death was difficult, 302 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,960 but the hatched flies and state of decay 303 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:46,000 suggested William's body had been in the flat for around four weeks. 304 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,960 There was confirmation from Glenys about contact she had 305 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,960 and contact she then didn't have with the victim. 306 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,960 And that period of time is narrowed down 307 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,960 as to when it's highly likely, 308 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,960 most likely that William was killed. 309 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,640 (Richard) A phone call from a neighbour 310 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,320 corroborated this time frame. 311 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,000 -(touch tones beeping) -(line ringing) 312 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,960 (Dispatcher) Good morning, Dorset Police. 313 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,000 (Richard) The neighbour went on to say he'd heard 314 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,960 a commotion and William calling out to phone for an ambulance 315 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,960 on the night of the 16th of May. 316 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,480 With a rough time of death, the investigation 317 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,960 could pick up speed and hone in on a potential suspect. 318 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,960 Part of the investigative process, the victim 319 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,640 is going to be lifestyled. 320 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,000 Where do they work? What hours do they work? 321 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,960 Who are their friends? Where do they frequent? 322 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,960 Where might they be expected to be at any particular time? 323 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,960 Because that's where the paths of our victim and our suspect 324 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,960 or suspects may well have crossed. 325 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,960 There's a huge amount of work to do. 326 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,960 We all leave a pattern wherever we go. 327 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,960 Going into places, in buying things, 328 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,960 you're using cards, credit cards, debit cards, even cash. 329 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,960 One of the main investigative strands these days - 330 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,160 closed-circuit TV. 331 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:21,480 Hundreds of hours of CCTV is seized and looked at. 332 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,960 On that CCTV, we see Nathan. 333 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,960 Nathan is at the railway station. 334 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,960 Nathan is seen buying a ticket to travel to Scotland. 335 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,960 (Richard) This trip to Glasgow in Scotland happened 336 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,960 on the 17th of May, the day after a neighbour reported 337 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,960 a commotion at William's flat. 338 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,960 It made Nathan the prime suspect. 339 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,960 But with no criminal record, lots of friends, 340 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,480 and no concrete evidence, he seemed an unlikely murderer. 341 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,640 Police continued to investigate. 342 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,960 (Brian) Now that we know where Nathan has gone, 343 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,960 crucial evidence is being gathered in Scotland. 344 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,960 We need to know his movements, where he's been, who he's seen, 345 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,960 and what he's actually doing in Scotland. 346 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,960 His friends said that he was being extravagant. 347 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:22,960 He was buying them meals. 348 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,160 He was staying in expensive hotels. 349 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,960 He treats his friends. He's buying drinks. 350 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,960 He's buying food. 351 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,960 You see this largesse. 352 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,960 You see he's trying to impress his friends. 353 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,960 He has a definite sense of... in my opinion, a definite sense 354 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,960 of entitlement about him. 355 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,960 He feels this is his right. 356 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,960 He's there showing off. 357 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,960 Question is, where does this money come from? 358 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,960 (Jane) But we know that he doesn't have any money. 359 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,960 He doesn't have a job. 360 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,000 And his father didn't want to give him any more money. 361 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,960 You can only assume that he's taken his father's money. 362 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,960 After leaving Scotland, Nathan's spending spree continues. 363 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,960 He goes to see his mother. 364 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,960 He takes her on an expensive spa weekend in a hotel. 365 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,960 When he goes down to Birmingham, when he takes his mother out, 366 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,960 again, look at me, I'm the business. 367 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,960 He is the centre of his world, totally egocentric. 368 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,320 But he wants admiration, which you always see in narcissists. 369 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,800 In the four weeks since leaving Bournemouth, 370 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,960 Nathan had spent over 8,000 pounds. 371 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,160 (glasses clink) 372 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,960 (Richard) So did Nathan murder his father for money? 373 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,960 (Kevin) He used his father's money to an extreme, 374 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,960 spending a lot of money in a weekend. 375 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,960 That may tell me that he was half expecting to be caught 376 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,640 and he was having a big splash before he got caught. 377 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,960 (Brian) Police eventually track Nathan down, 378 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,480 and they arrest him on suspicion of being 379 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,960 involved in the murder of William. 380 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,480 His remark when he's arrested is, is this a joke? 381 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,960 After William Spiller's body was discovered 382 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,320 carefully dismembered and neatly packed in storage boxes, 383 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,480 police arrested their prime suspect, 384 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,960 his 26-year-old son, Nathan Robinson. 385 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,960 William's body had been slashed with a knife, 386 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,640 but there were no defensive wounds, 387 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,000 suggesting a surprise attack by someone in the home. 388 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,960 Shortly after the murder, Nathan had 389 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,960 gone on a spending spree in Scotland and Birmingham 390 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,480 with his father's money. 391 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,960 Well, it seemed that after he'd cleaned up 392 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,960 and he'd ordered the flat in the way that he did 393 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,000 that he couldn't remain there. 394 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,960 He needed to leave the flat and go away to Scotland, 395 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,800 to Glasgow, to see friends. 396 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,960 And so obviously, the environment of his father being there 397 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,960 was impacting on him, that he couldn't stay there the weekend. 398 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,960 Police eventually track Nathan down, 399 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,800 and they arrest him on suspicion of being 400 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:17,960 involved in the murder of William. 401 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,960 His remark when he's arrested is, is this a joke? 402 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,160 It's a strange response for somebody that's been arrested 403 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,960 for such a serious offence. 404 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,160 I've experienced silence. 405 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,960 I've experienced anger. 406 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,960 I've experienced confusion. 407 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,320 But that response is strange. 408 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:47,960 I think it's the response of somebody in denial, 409 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,960 and certainly he's going to be denying any involvement. 410 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,640 And what they now want to know 411 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,480 is, how much do the police know? 412 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,960 In other words, how much evidence have 413 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,960 you got that I'm involved in this? 414 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,160 (Jane) This is classical of narcissism. 415 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,320 They don't expect to get caught. 416 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,000 They're very arrogant. 417 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,960 No way is this anything to do with me. 418 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,960 It's very casual denial. 419 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,960 He wants to elicit a response from the arresting officers. 420 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,960 He wants them to carry on talking. 421 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,960 He wants them to say something back, 422 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,960 even if it's just, no, it's not a joke, mate. 423 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,960 He's now entered a conversation that he has started. 424 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,960 That's the start of him trying to control. 425 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,320 (Richard) Nathan claimed he was innocent of his father's 426 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,960 murder, but William's body would reveal more answers 427 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,480 about what happened the night he was killed. 428 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,960 It's the job of the forensic pathologist to determine 429 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,960 what was the fatal injury. 430 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:02,960 There were knife wounds all over William's body. 431 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,960 But critically, there were also injuries to his neck. 432 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,320 The neck is where there are some major blood vessels. 433 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,960 And you can see them here. 434 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,160 In red is the carotid artery, which carries blood 435 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,960 from the heart up to the brain, and the jugular veins, 436 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,960 which carry blood back to the heart. 437 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,960 Some of these blood vessels are protected 438 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,960 beneath this big muscle of the neck, the sternomastoid muscle. 439 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,960 But there's one blood vessel here, one branch of the jugular vein, 440 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,960 that sits on top of this muscle. 441 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,960 And if it's cut, it's going to bleed torrentially 442 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,640 and is likely to cause death very quickly 443 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,960 without immediate medical assistance. 444 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,640 William Spiller's neck was severed in this place, 445 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,960 an injury that would have produced a considerable amount of blood. 446 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,960 Cutting up the body would create even more blood. 447 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,960 But when police first discovered William, 448 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,960 the flat didn't look like a crime scene. 449 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,960 (Brian) One of the things that was noticed 450 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,960 was that the flat was very clean. 451 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,960 In other words, if somebody is dismembered at that flat, 452 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,960 you would expect there to be blood staining, blood spattering, 453 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,160 a whole array of things. 454 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,960 If you dismember somebody, it's very difficult 455 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,960 to clean up afterwards. 456 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,960 It takes quite a considerable amount of effort. 457 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,960 One of the things that the police discovered afterwards was that 458 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,960 the neighbour had complained to Nathan 459 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,960 that he had a pink liquid coming down the wall in his bathroom. 460 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,960 The neighbour came upstairs to enquire what that was, 461 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,960 to report it to him, and he immediately covered for that. 462 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,960 The neighbour said he's very cool, calm, and collected. 463 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,960 (Richard) Nathan claimed he had spilled red wine. 464 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,960 (Brian) Nathan didn't bat an eyelid 465 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,960 and was absolutely normal in explaining why that 466 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,960 was happening to the neighbour. 467 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,960 (Kevin) The pink fluid was probably 468 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,960 a mixture of bleach and blood. 469 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,960 (Richard) Armed with this information, detectives homed in 470 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,960 on the CCTV that captured Nathan's movements 471 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,800 around the time of the murder. 472 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,000 He goes out and he buys steam cleaning equipment. 473 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,960 He actually buys two steam cleaners. 474 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,800 There's a lot of evidence to indicate that Nathan is, 475 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,320 in fact, the killer of his father. 476 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,960 (Richard) And a forensic sweep of the flat 477 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,960 revealed critical evidence that the killer hoped to have washed away. 478 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,000 Just because you clean up blood 479 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,800 doesn't mean to say it's not still there. 480 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,960 So it might look clean, but it's not. 481 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,960 From the investigative process of using a liquid - 482 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,960 be it bleach, be it soapy water - 483 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,960 to try and get rid of bloodstains, what you're actually doing 484 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,960 is spreading it. 485 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,960 That stain that was 6 inches around, when you dilute it, 486 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,960 now it becomes 12 inches, 14 inches, 24 inches. 487 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,960 And what you're actually doing is moving the blood 488 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,640 into the cracks and the crevices where 489 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,480 you might not be able to see it, 490 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,960 but, forensically, we can find it. 491 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,960 Cutting up a body, especially in a domestic environment 492 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,960 rather than a clinical environment will make a lot of mess. 493 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,960 To systematically go through and clean that up, 494 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,960 it shows a level of not thinking about what has happened and just 495 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,960 getting on with the job and thinking about it as a task - 496 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,960 a cleaning task - rather than what it represents. 497 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,960 This was just something that had to be cleaned up and ordered, 498 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,960 which he did meticulously and very carefully. 499 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:00,960 So obviously, this to him was just a task needed to be done. 500 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,960 (Jane) So he's completely in control of what he was doing. 501 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,800 You know, there was no sort of lost touch with reality. 502 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,640 He knew what he'd done, knew what he was going to do. 503 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,960 He was going to try and cover for himself 504 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,960 to get away with this murder. 505 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,960 (Richard) Nathan also spun a web of lies 506 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,960 to make it look as if his father was still alive. 507 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,960 After William's death, Nathan goes to a huge amount of effort 508 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,960 to cover up the fact that he's dead. 509 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,960 So he didn't want that murder discovered. 510 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,960 He had the foresight to make sure that nobody would 511 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,960 be calling round for a while. 512 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,960 (bell dings) 513 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,960 (Brian) He pays the rent for the flat a month in advance, 514 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,960 so nobody's going to come knocking on the door. 515 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,960 He actually used his father's phone to communicate 516 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,960 with William's girlfriend, Glenys, to convince her 517 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,960 that he's still alive. 518 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,960 She'd had some text messages. 519 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,160 And those that she'd had, she didn't actually think 520 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,960 sounded quite right because she knew that William 521 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,960 would be in touch with her. 522 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,960 (Brian) He sends messages saying that 523 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,480 William's gone to the Midlands 524 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,960 because one of his friends is dying 525 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,960 and he wants to be with him. 526 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,960 You know, a terribly cruel thing to do. 527 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,320 (Richard) And when Glenys first 528 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,960 tried to report William missing to the police, 529 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,000 Nathan called them with his own version of events. 530 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,960 (line rings) 531 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,960 He's actually explaining away why his father is not being seen, 532 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:04,960 and all the time he knows exactly where his father is. 533 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,960 Just a cold, callous, 534 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,960 calculating thing to do. 535 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:20,960 I think that Nathan is looking for excuses. 536 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,960 He knows the evidence that's against him, it's overwhelming. 537 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,960 And he is trying every single avenue to get out of it. 538 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,000 (Richard) But he'd reached the end of the road. 539 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,960 On the 18th of June, 2013, Nathan Robinson 540 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,960 was arrested and later charged with the murder 541 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,800 of his father, William, the unlawful disposal 542 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,960 of human remains, and theft. 543 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,960 (Kevin) What we understand by patricide, 544 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,960 when a son or daughter kills a parent, 545 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:59,320 is that the relationship between the son and the father 546 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,320 is detached and possible hatred between each other. 547 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,000 There must have been a level of conflict in the past. 548 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,960 And indeed, what we find, in this case, 549 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,160 that it was so extreme that he committed murder, patricide. 550 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,960 (Brian) There is a link and a bond 551 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,640 that we all have with our family, which is close. 552 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:27,480 And the breaking of that bond almost feels like sacrilege. 553 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,480 (Jane) Nathan was a very cold, calculated killer. 554 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,640 And he certainly never expected to get caught. 555 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,480 The evidence that's against him, to be quite frank, 556 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,800 it's overwhelming. 557 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,960 (Richard) The police were confident they had their man. 558 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,480 But in court, Nathan Robinson denied murder on the grounds 559 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,960 of diminished responsibility. 560 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,640 And what that means is that he is saying to the court 561 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,960 and wants to prove to the court, he actually 562 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:01,960 didn't know what he was doing at the time 563 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,960 because he had no mental faculties that enabled him 564 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,480 to know what he was doing at all. 565 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,640 (Richard) But was there a reason why he did it? 566 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,800 During the court case, Nathan makes 567 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,960 an absolutely explosive claim. 568 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,960 He'd forgotten about it. 569 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,960 And suddenly, it came back to him. 570 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,960 (sonar beeping) 571 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,160 (Richard) When police officers carried out a welfare check 572 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,960 on a Bournemouth flat, they discovered 573 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,960 the dismembered body of taxi driver William Spiller 574 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,320 stored in plastic containers. 575 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,960 The postmortem showed that wounds across William's body 576 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,000 were inflicted by a Stanley knife, also found at the flat. 577 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,800 William's son, Nathan, was the only other person living at the flat. 578 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,960 Around the time of the murder, neighbours 579 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,960 had reported a commotion. 580 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,960 Nathan was spotted on CCTV buying cleaning products 581 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,960 and then went on a spending spree with his father's money. 582 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,960 After a nationwide search, police arrested William's son, Nathan, 583 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,000 and charged him with murder. 584 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,960 (Brian) He eventually goes to court and he pleads not guilty. 585 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,960 As part of that not guilty plea, he is offering up a defence, 586 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,960 a defence that is known as diminished responsibility. 587 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,960 If you're found guilty with diminished responsibility, 588 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,160 you cannot be given a whole life sentence. 589 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,000 You will be sentenced to a much lesser term of imprisonment. 590 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,960 There's an element of sadism, almost, 591 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,960 in this, because he's making William's girlfriend 592 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:02,000 and the family of his father 593 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,960 go through the horrific details of the crime. 594 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,960 If he'd have pleaded guilty, none of that would have happened. 595 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,960 But now he's got the best of both worlds. 596 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:11,960 He's trying for that. 597 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,960 He's trying to get a reduced sentence, 598 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,960 and he's enjoying the details of his crime coming out. 599 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,960 And it's a kind of celebrity notoriety 600 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,960 that you get from that as well. 601 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,320 So I think that would have appealed to him because I 602 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,960 do think he wants attention. 603 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,960 (Brian) As part of Nathan's diminished responsibility plea, 604 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,960 Nathan accepts that he killed his father. 605 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,960 He accepts that he watched him die and that he didn't 606 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,960 call an ambulance that could have potentially saved his life. 607 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,960 He then says he has no memory whatsoever of those events. 608 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,800 Nathan then says the next thing he remembers 609 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,960 is he's in the shower washing off the blood from his father. 610 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,960 Now, I would suggest that the cognitive thought process 611 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,960 of realising that you have to wash the blood off to get rid 612 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:16,960 of evidence means that there is a thought process that has been 613 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,960 followed from the actual event of killing his father, 614 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,960 which he has accepted. 615 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,960 And it's selective. 616 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,960 He's been selective in what not to remember. 617 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,960 (Richard) The prosecution argued against the plea 618 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,960 of diminished responsibility, claiming 619 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,960 Nathan had a clear financial motive for murdering William. 620 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:46,480 Father of 48 supporting a son of 26 is nothing unusual 621 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,960 as long as that son is in higher education 622 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,000 and he's seen to be achieving. 623 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,960 The arguments come when he's dropped out. 624 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,000 Nathan owed his father 36,000 pounds. 625 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,960 What are you going to do? When are you going to get a job? 626 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,960 That's when the arguments come. 627 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,960 And of course, there would have been a disappointment 628 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,960 for the father if that didn't happen. 629 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,000 In my opinion, he had a sense of entitlement. 630 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,960 He wanted the money. 631 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,960 His father was fed up with giving him money. 632 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,480 He clearly had a grudge against his father. 633 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,160 And of course, the most telling thing 634 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,960 is the fact that the way Nathan wanted 635 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,960 to spend his time after he'd murdered his father 636 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,640 was to support his mother, show her a good time, 637 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,960 go out and spend money with his mother. 638 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,960 And he obviously had an emotional attachment to his mother 639 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,320 that was absent for his father because he took his mother's 640 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,640 surname, not his father's surname. 641 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,960 The Oedipus complex was first talked about by Sigmund Freud, 642 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,960 and he suggested that sometimes a son competes with the father 643 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,960 for the attention and love of the mother 644 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,960 and so that the son and father are in conflict. 645 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,160 And in some cases, this can be so extreme 646 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,960 as to lead to violence between the father and son 647 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,960 and even death and homicide. 648 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,960 (Richard) After the prosecution rested their case, 649 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,800 it was the turn of Nathan's defence team. 650 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,960 Nathan's barrister suggested during the case 651 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,000 that this was an unusual crime, that it 652 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,960 was a result of a sudden snapping that caused the killing 653 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,960 and that the crime had no motive. 654 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,960 (Richard) But did William's body support this claim? 655 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,960 The multiple injuries on William's body 656 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,960 would tend to indicate a sudden explosion of violence. 657 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,960 But the fact that Nathan watched him bleed to death 658 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,960 and then dismembered his body 659 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,960 would suggest something far more calculated. 660 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,480 We know that Nathan had used a Stanley knife to inflict 661 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,960 the injuries, but the police also found a couple of saws 662 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,960 that he'd used to dismember the body. 663 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,960 William Spiller was a big man. 664 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,960 He was 6'5" - that's nearly 2 metres tall - 665 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,960 weighing 160 kilogrammes. 666 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,800 That's about 25 stone. 667 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,640 Dismembering him would not have been easy. 668 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,960 Joints are particularly complex with interlocking 669 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,960 pieces of bone held together with tight ligaments. 670 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,960 Take the shoulder joint, for example. 671 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,960 Here, the head of the humerus, the clavicle, 672 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,960 and part of the shoulder blade all are fixed together 673 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,960 by tight fibrous bands. 674 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,960 And then we can see how they're surrounded 675 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,480 by muscle and other ligaments keeping it together. 676 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,960 Dismembering a body is never easy. 677 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,960 It must have taken him hours and hours. 678 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,960 William's dismembered body revealed that this was not a moment 679 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,160 of madness - quite the opposite. 680 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,960 This was a considered and determined action. 681 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:02,960 There's no doubt that the son was emotionally 682 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,960 detached from his father. 683 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,480 This particular individual would have been particularly callous 684 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,960 and not have much empathy for the victim. 685 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,960 And to have systematically tidied up and then stacked them in boxes 686 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,960 after dismembering the body shows a level of detachment from reality 687 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,960 and what has gone on in the room. 688 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,800 It's so bizarre that he went to all that trouble 689 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,960 to dissect the body, to put it in all these plastic boxes, 690 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,960 which, to me, seems like utter contempt - 691 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,960 utter contempt for his father. 692 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,960 And then to build them up and to put the TV on 693 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,160 and to use it as a stand, 694 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,960 I mean, that really is a horror movie. 695 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,000 When the police eventually arrived, 696 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,960 they found that his father's head 697 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,960 was actually in the filing cabinet. 698 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,640 No matter how emotionally detached you are from your father, 699 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,960 you know what your father looks like. 700 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,960 So the head represented a challenge 701 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,960 to the way he was trying to blank the whole thing out of his memory. 702 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,960 And so it had to be hidden away so the son could forget 703 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,960 what had happened in that room. 704 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,960 (Richard) But was his motive really just purely financial? 705 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,160 So from the ferocity of the attack, 706 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,960 from slitting his throat with a Stanley knife, 707 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,960 and then when his father was laying on the floor, 708 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,960 pleading for an ambulance and bleeding out, 709 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,960 to continually stab him 710 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,800 means there was real hatred in the act, 711 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,960 which suggests that it wasn't just an argument 712 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,960 about financial concerns 713 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,960 and about the amount of money that his dad, as a taxi driver, 714 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,960 was paying for his son to sit at home. 715 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,960 This was something else. 716 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,960 (Brian) During the court case, Nathan makes 717 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,960 an absolutely explosive claim. 718 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,960 He says that when he was 13, he was sexually abused by his father. 719 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,960 He'd forgotten about it. 720 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,960 And suddenly, it came back to him. 721 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,640 (Jane) Nathan tried to claim that he'd suffered from PTSD, 722 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,960 that he'd been abused by his father, 723 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,960 and that he'd had a really bad childhood. 724 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,960 If somebody has post-traumatic stress disorder 725 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,800 from a long period of abuse, if that had happened in childhood, 726 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,480 then yes, I could see 727 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,960 how a person could snap 728 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,960 or a child might want to get out of that situation. 729 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,960 It seemed to kind of come out of the blue, 730 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,640 his defence of abuse. 731 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,960 (Brian) He knows it can't be proved. 732 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,960 But also, it can't be disproved as well. 733 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,960 (Kevin) Nathan says, well, I was sexually 734 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,320 and physically abused as a child. 735 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,000 That may well have happened. 736 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,960 We do know that children who have been sexually abused 737 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,000 under the age of 10 are much more likely 738 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,960 to commit homicide than children who have not had that experience. 739 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,960 But with no evidence, the court finds it difficult 740 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,000 because he could be making it up as a way 741 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,960 of defending himself. 742 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,000 William is described as a caring, loving father. 743 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,640 (Jane) His father had always kept him. 744 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,960 He didn't have to have him at the flat. 745 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,960 Nathan didn't have to go and live there. 746 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,960 He could have gone and lived somewhere else, you know, 747 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,320 after his degree course finished. 748 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,960 It just doesn't wash. 749 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,960 There's nothing there actually in his past. 750 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,000 So they had nothing there that could back up that claim. 751 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,960 (Brian) Nathan is easily able to manipulate William, 752 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,960 to wrap him round his little finger 753 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,960 to get him to do what he wants. 754 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:55,000 We can speculate as to why William is happy to do that. 755 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,960 It could be guilt. 756 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,960 It could be a whole host of reasons. 757 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,960 It's up to the jury to decide whether or not they believe him. 758 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,960 (Richard) We'll never know exactly what happened 759 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,480 between William and Nathan and why their relationship broke down 760 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,160 with such devastating consequences. 761 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,960 After a three-week trial, the jury took just 762 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,960 two hours to return their verdict. 763 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,960 Nathan was found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment. 764 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,960 The judge remarked during his sentencing 765 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,960 that this was a callous, cold-blooded, premeditated murder 766 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,640 of William, the motive being financial. 767 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,960 He believed the money was his. 768 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,960 He had the sense of entitlement. 769 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,960 It was there, and he would do what it took to get this money 770 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,960 and then to cover his tracks. 771 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,960 (Brian) I think the only way you can look at Nathan, 772 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,960 when you know all the circumstances 773 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,960 and all the facts of this case, 774 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,960 is, he was a cold, calculating person. 775 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,960 He was driven by money. 776 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,960 People say that money is the root of all evil. 777 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,960 And that's actually not correct. 778 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,960 What is correct is, the love of money is the root of all evil. 779 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,960 Nathan is just pure evil. 780 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,960 It was a fatal wound to the neck that killed William Spiller, 781 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,960 but the lack of defence wounds proved he 782 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,960 didn't expect to be attacked by his own son 783 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,960 and left to bleed to death. 784 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,960 Nathan tried to cover his tracks, throw the police off the scent, 785 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,960 and claim childhood abuse had triggered the assault. 786 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,960 But the clinical dismembering of William's body 787 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,960 proved this was no sudden snap of anger. 788 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,960 It was considered and calculated. 789 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,960 And for that reason, his body revealed the cold, hard truth 790 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:03,960 about his murder, and a dangerous killer was brought to justice. 791 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,960 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 66127

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