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-Everything about this case was thought-provoking

and eye-catching from word go.

Maddie, Ethan, Kaylee, and Xana.

These beautiful smiling faces.

These young people's lives played out on social media.

-The small town of Moscow, Idaho,

remains on edge tonight following the brutal killings

of four University of Idaho students.

-Dylan provides an eyewitness account.

What happened? Why the eight-hour delay?

-I personally won't go out at night alone.

-Just the basic facts of this case were jaw-dropping.

-And it got bigger and bigger and bigger.

-Am I looking at the murderer?

-This nondescript person acting suspiciously.

Staring at them. Glaring at them.

-The accusations,

they were getting crazier and crazier by the day.

-A killer remains on the loose,

and residents want more answers from law enforcement.

-In our Facebook group,

he would talk about

where the bodies were positioned in the house.

I'm sure the killer is on this page.

-This is somebody who wanted his five seconds of fame

and wanted to go down notoriously.

-Can you tell us what you were looking for

while you were back at the house?

-We live in Moscow in a murder mystery right now.

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-There is no such thing as a perfect crime.

Events like this don't occur in a vacuum.

I'm Art Bettge.

I'm the mayor of the city of Moscow, Idaho.

Moscow's a quiet, rural university town.

Very peaceful, offers a high quality of life to folks.

We've got about 27,000 people here.

Fully 9,000 of them are students at the University of Idaho.

-The university here really changes the flavor

of being in a little town.

It raises the intellectual

and the cultural level of the citizens in this area.

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-My name is Brian Entin.

I covered this story in Moscow, Idaho,

pretty much from the very beginning,

and it all begins with four extraordinary young people

who were all students at the University of Idaho.

Maddie Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Ethan Chapin,

and Xana Kernodle. Their lives were out there

for the world to see on Instagram and TikTok.

-Hi, my name is Xana Kernodle.

I'm a marketing major here at the University of Idaho

and I'm involved...

-Everyone just loved Xana.

She was known for being very social,

very inviting, very inclusive.

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Ethan was Xana's boyfriend.

Ethan Chapin was a triplet.

His mom had three high chairs lined up in the kitchen.

Eventually, all three siblings enrolled

at the University of Idaho.

-Ethan was a second year freshman,

and I think he enjoyed life a little too much,

which is why he was a second year freshman.

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Kaylee Goncalves was 21 years old.

She was part of the Alpha Phi sorority.

On TikTok,

Kaylee was a life of the party, really caring.

A lot of fun.

-Kaylee Goncalves met Maddie Mogen

when they were in sixth grade,

so they had been friends for a really, really long time.

They were in different sororities,

but they shared a house.

-The people in Maddie's sorority

talked about her being like this bright and shining person.

She had a great personality. On social media,

she was outgoing, she was really sweet and kind.

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-The King Road house was known to be a party house.

All the housemates were involved in Greek life.

[ Indistinct conversation ]

There are many noise complaints

and police would show up. -What's your last name?

-The house was kind of oddly built into the side of a hill.

You've got a front door that enters onto the basement floor.

Then, around the back, there is

a deck, and then that has

a sliding glass door that

enters the second floor

living area.

-Oh, we're not actually --

[ Indistinct conversation ]

-You guys haven't been drinking or anything, right?

-No. -Okay. Drive careful, okay?

-Thanks. -Will do. Thank you.

-The house has three floors,

so they're renting the rooms

and then have a common living area.

They didn't even lock the door. I mean, it's just how it was.

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-November 12th. It was game day.

There was a big football game against UC Davis.

That day, the housemates were all wearing, you know,

University of Idaho sweatshirts.

They took a picture outside their house.

Maddie sat on Kaylee's shoulders for the picture.

-It's Maddie, Kaylee, Xana, and Ethan.

Then on either edge of the photo are the two other roommates,

Bethany and Dylan.

-Everyone looked really, really happy.

They were clearly expecting to have a great time.

-As big as the game is,

the events that surround the game all through town

and all through the university are as big,

if not bigger, and it's a major party weekend.

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-That night, the housemates went to different parties.

-Ethan had gone to a fraternity formal

with his twin sister as his date.

And met back up with Xana at a fraternity party.

Maddie and Kaylee were at a bar

called The Corner Club.

-Maddie and Kaylee met up with

Kaylee's ex-boyfriend, Jack.

He and Kaylee had been dating for their entire tenure

at the University of Idaho, and they had recently broken up.

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-After the girls were at The Corner Club,

Kaylee and Maddie went to The Grub Truck,

which is like a food truck.

Then they got a ride home.

-Xana and Ethan

came home around the same time as Maddie and Kaylee.

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-When everyone was back home at the house on King Road,

they all chatted for a bit

and then they went to their various bedrooms.

[ Laughter, indistinct conversations ]

Kaylee and Madison went up to the third floor

and they settled down together in Maddie's bedroom,

while Kaylee's dog Murphy stayed in Kaylee's bedroom,

which was across the hall.

Xana and Ethan retired to Xana's room on the second floor,

while Dylan went to her room,

which was down the hall from that.

Meanwhile, Bethany went to sleep in her bedroom,

and that was on the basement level.

-One thing that we know is that Kaylee and Maddie

called Kaylee's ex-boyfriend, Jack, several times,

but he never picked up.

It just went straight to voicemail.

The other thing that we do know is that Xana ordered food,

and it was delivered to the house around 4:00 AM.

-That was the last contact

the housemates had with the outside world.

And when the news broke the very next day,

it shocked everyone who heard it.

-The small town of Moscow, Idaho, remains on edge

tonight following the brutal killings

of four University of Idaho students -- Ethan Chapin,

Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle, and Madison Mogen --

violently attacked inside a rental house near campus

early Sunday morning.

-From the moment that this story broke,

I knew that this was going to be one of the biggest crime stories

that I'd ever covered.

-Authorities confirm evidence was found

on multiple floors,

carnage so severe photos appear to show blood seeping

from the crime scene to the exterior foundation of the home.

-Just the basic facts of this case were jaw-dropping.

The fact that it was so random and so savage,

the fact that there were four students murdered,

the fact that two people survived.

And yet no one had any idea who could have done this.

-We are continuing to track breaking news

out of Moscow, Idaho. -It started with a call

to the Moscow Police Department just before noon.

-House right here is where police found four bodies.

-People were found dead.

-This is a very much a developing situation.

-I remember heading to the airport,

boarding a flight for Idaho, and in that moment,

it felt like everyone knew

that this was going to be a huge story.

-Everything about this case was thought-provoking

and eye-catching from word go.

These young people's lives played out on social media.

But I'll tell, you those images, the beauty of our victims,

their vibrant smiles,

may very well have been what did them in.

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-When I arrived on the ground in Moscow,

I remember right away there was a lot of confusion.

Can you tell us what you were looking for?

The cops said the murders at King Road

occurred sometime after 4:00 AM

on the morning of November 13th, 2022.

But the two surviving roommates, Dylan and Bethany,

who may have been sleeping in their bedrooms

at the time of the attack,

they didn't call 911 until sometime around 12:00 noon

the next day, which is eight hours later.

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-The next morning, Dylan and Bethany

find their housemates

and, allegedly, their first phone call was to their friends.

So other students, you know,

the victim's peers are coming to the house

and seeing what's going on before police even get there.

-There's been some speculation as to how the call came in,

but it's listed

as an unresponsive individual in the house.

-Finally, police arrive to find the most horrifying crime scene

they've ever witnessed.

-The affidavit describes their injuries in great detail.

If you've ever seen injuries like that,

there's no mistaking them.

A knife can do horrific things to a human body.

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-My phone buzzes me,

and it's a text from our city supervisor

that says that there's been a murder in town

that's involved four university students.

We have a major situation on our hands,

and it became a very major story quickly.

And for a person who'd been hoping

that his mayoral tenure would feature four years of quietude,

that was blown right out of the water on the spot.

It's a very tragic

and sad situation all around.

-The four were stabbed with a knife,

but no weapon has been located at this time.

-This was the kind of thing that you only really think

you're going to hear about in a murder novel.

It didn't seem possible.

-The unthinkable happened in this house behind me.

Four university students brutally murdered here.

As soon as I got there,

I could see that this was a crime that really,

really frightened the students and the residents of the town.

The killer was unknown at that point,

and he was still on the loose.

-I personally won't go out at night alone.

-There's a lot of apartment buildings, houses,

a lot of kids going to and from.

And then you turn onto this road here,

which is King Road.

This is actually the road that the house is on.

You look to the right here.

This is the house where the murders happened.

Being on the ground and talking with folks every day,

it was clear to me that the community was

really feeling under siege from all of the outside attention.

All of this really is a nightmare for this town,

a nightmare that they just cannot wake up from.

-Almost every corner around the university campus,

there would be camera crews setting up for a shot.

And it wasn't just from local affiliates,

it was from Seattle, it was from California.

It was from all over.

-News of this had gone right around the world

almost overnight.

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-All of this was so overwhelming for the families

of the victims, and in the days after the murders,

they gradually began to emerge to speak with the media

about their lost loved ones.

Is there something you can tell us about Xana,

the girl you knew?

-Um...

Xana, she was tough. She was -- She was strong.

She was funny. She just could make you smile.

I think you can see from her TikToks.

-If you could describe your daughter in a few words,

how would you describe Maddie?

-Oh, just great and funny and just fun.

She just, you know, she had such a bright future ahead of her.

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-Tell us who your Ethan really was.

-[ Chuckles ]

Yeah, he was a great kid.

In our family, personally, he was kind of the comedian.

-He just loved life.

-You want everybody to be the beneficiary of Kaylee's life.

-We try to raise our children not to be self-centered

and to, like, sacrifice their lives and try to,

like, help other people and find value in that.

She was very likable person

and she didn't have a mean bone in her body.

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-As the families grieved the scale

of this quadruple homicide investigation,

it grew larger and larger by the day.

[ Police radio chatter ]

-You're looking at a crime scene with multiple victims,

multiple autopsies. That scene has to be processed.

The neighborhood has to be canvassed for the cameras.

Cell towers have to be dumped.

And that's just the initial stages of this investigation.

And it got bigger and bigger and bigger.

-It's one of the biggest true crime pages on Facebook,

with about 227,000 members,

and Kristine Cameron and Alina Smith

are the administrators.

Kristine Cameron and Alina Smith are two people who,

if you have been following this case, you cannot ignore.

They started the Facebook group

Idaho Murders Case Discussion Group.

-[ Speaking indistinctly ]

-Kristine and I attended the same high school,

and our biggest common factor

was we just had this passion for true crime.

-Another page. -Yeah, that's when I can tell

if they're on, 'cause look.

And so I was like,

let's start some true crime pages on Facebook

and just get our feet wet.

-True crime used to be, you know,

a crime happens and then there's an arrest made.

Well, because of social media,

we have the opportunity to kind of see in real time

what is happening.

So, you know, you have these armchair sleuths or detectives,

so to speak, and they want to be a part of it.

-Kristine and I have not made any money.

We had the option to turn it into a monetizing page,

and we didn't, because we don't want to benefit off of a crime.

-With our other pages, it was just a pastime.

Like, we'd set up a page

and I have my role and Alina has her role.

-We had all these other pages,

and I think 6,000 members was a good number.

I mean, if we got 6,000, we were like, wow, this is great.

-When the University of Idaho happened,

it was almost overnight.

It just went from a fun pastime to, like, a full-time job.

At the end of the first day,

we had almost 17,000 people on the page.

-And then, two weeks after that, we were already at 80,000.

That's how quickly the numbers went.

And then, two weeks after that, we were already about 140.

Two weeks after that, we're 190.

It was just wild.

Oh, my God.

-When Kristine and Alina's Facebook page blew up,

they were as surprised as anyone.

But I think they had absolutely no idea just

how deeply involved they themselves

would become in the hunt for the killer.

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-Moscow, Idaho, a town of only 26,000 people,

is typically quiet, safe.

As one business owner I spoke to put it,

people don't even lock their car doors at night.

-This is a small town police force

with just a little over 30 people total working for it.

And suddenly they're swept up in a quadruple homicide.

So they were up against a lot.

And immediately the internet went after

this police force saying that they were incompetent.

They couldn't handle it on their own.

-There was a lot of criticism of Moscow police

as being something out of "Mayberry RFD" or something,

with Barney Fife fumbling his way around.

-For a small town like Moscow,

they do not have the laboratory techniques,

they do not have the forensics to be able to conduct

a true crime scene investigation.

-The Moscow Police,

they didn't hesitate to bring in outside state,

even federal resources.

But one thing that struck me very early on in the case,

Chief Fry and his department were also careful

to maintain control of the investigation

as the lead agency in charge. -What I want people to know

is this is a Moscow Police Department investigation.

We picked the investigators.

-They needed assistance on a number of different levels.

This house had a lot of transient visitors,

it had a lot of students coming in and out.

So if you're looking for someone

who may have had some type of association with the victims,

you now have opened it up to a wide cadre of people

who potentially had contact with them.

[ Indistinct conversation ]

-Come to the door, guys.

Send whoever lives here down to the door.

We're not leaving.

-Oh. Look at that.

-When investigators started looking into the history

of the King Road house,

they found many incidents were reported.

-Thank you. -They would give out

the code on the door to their friends,

and their friends would have parties.

-So I just looked for everyone that lives here,

and they're not here right now.

-No one's here that -- -No one's here that lives here.

No one's here that lives here. -So everyone here's trespassing?

-Well, no one's here that's trespassing, but no...

-It was such a party house that parties were going on

whether or not the residents were even home.

-Who does live here? What are their names?

-I am actually not sure. I live across the street.

-When the crime scene is a place frequented

by a large number of people,

that complicates things because these are individuals

you have to talk with.

These are individuals that can contribute to DNA.

-Unfortunately,

when there were screams, cries for help,

and the barking of a dog and other noises

coming from the house on the night of the massacre,

a lot of residents likely chalked it up to,

well, they're just having another party.

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-In the days following the murder,

as the attention of the world was really focused on

Moscow, Idaho, they were basically saying nothing.

Investigators were really, really tight-lipped.

-We know you have questions and so do we.

-They told us the victims' names,

they told us that it was a stabbing,

and they told us there were no suspects at this time.

-The police had locked the scene down.

They'd locked the evidence down. They'd locked everything down.

-At this time, I'm not going to expand upon that.

-It's been a little more than two weeks now since the murders.

Parts of the timeline are still missing,

but we know, according to police,

that Kaylee and Madison

were here the night before the killings

at a bar called The Corner Club in Moscow.

Investigators say they were here between 10:00 PM

and 1:30 AM.

One of the first major pieces of evidence

that surfaced in the public came from right

after Maddie and Kaylee left The Corner Club,

and they visited a local food truck called The Grub Truck.

-Web sleuths scoured Twitch live streaming footage

from the food truck.

-Hello. Welcome back. -Hi. Thanks.

-And they managed to find a moment in the footage

where Kaylee and Maddie placed their orders.

[ Indistinct conversations ]

They're waiting around. They run into some people.

And behind them, you know,

standing maybe like 10 feet away,

you can see a young man wearing a gray hoodie.

-The Grub Truck video cast a lot of suspicion on hoodie guy,

this nondescript person acting suspiciously

around Maddie and Kaylee, staring at them,

glaring at them, acting in a way that appears to be arising

their suspicion level.

-There's really no way to tell,

but people have said that she's saying,

"[Bleep] you missed her." -It's a good thing that it

ended, but... [Bleep]

-So Maddie grabs food off the counter.

They take off at sort of a brisk pace to a waiting car,

and the guy in the hoodie sort of goes like this.

-One can interpret they're leaving that video kind of

in a rush to get away from hoodie guy.

People were speculating about that.

-We had this gentleman send us this video

where he did like infrared imagery on the students,

and he said that in, I think it was the hoodie guy's pocket,

he could see that he had an object

that was in the shape of a knife.

-You had this sinking feeling of am I looking at the murderer?

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-The wild speculation about the guy

in the food truck video known as "hoodie guy,"

it became even more intense when his name and identity

was exposed on the Internet.

He was an acquaintance of the victims named Jack Showalter.

-The name Jack Showalter comes out.

They're researching him.

Oh, he lives not even two miles away.

He likes to hunt.

Oh, my gosh, he must have a knife.

They thought, this is our guy.

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-This is having like a real impact on Jack Showalter.

People are literally showing up on his doorstep.

-Kristine and Alina

declined to promote the so-called infrared video

on their Facebook group,

because they came to realize that it could not be authentic.

-We contacted somebody in the military,

and they said that it's impossible

to get infrared imagery through a cell phone or video.

And so we were like, delete.

-Just as the speculation about the hoodie guy, Jack Showalter,

was reaching a boiling point,

a new piece of video taken a few minutes prior to his exchange

at the food truck surfaced through Alina

and Kristine's Facebook forum.

-It's surveillance video of Kaylee,

Maddie, and the person known as hoodie guy

walking down the sidewalk.

-Jack Showalter was being a gentleman,

walking the girls to the food truck so they weren't alone.

[ Chuckles ] It just puts a whole different perspective.

But then they latched on to, oh, who's Adam?

-Maddie, what did you say to Adam?

-Instead of exonerating Jack Showalter,

the footage implicates this, you know, mysterious Adam.

What this resulted in

was the only Corner Club staff member named Adam,

who was not working that night, was harassed and doxed.

-Our page is a microcosm of how America is today.

There were many times

where we kicked people out for just being outright rude,

mean, demeaning, belittling others.

But then there were times

where they would look up information about other people

and post it on the page.

That's when we were like, okay, that's crossing the line.

That's it. You're out.

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-Police had one message from the start.

There's no imminent threat to the community.

-We still believe it's a targeted attack.

-But the question was always who and why?

When I had a chance to sit down with Kaylee's family

three weeks after the attack,

they were really pushing back on that notion

of a targeted attack.

-People said, "I'd be a lot more scared if it wasn't targeted."

-Yeah. -'Cause I'm not doing anything

to target me. -So maybe that was

just a way to calm people down?

-I feel like it was strategic. -Yeah.

-It was a strategic way

to keep people from hitting the door,

transferring out, and turning that place into a ghost town.

-Classes are back in session at the University of Idaho,

but it is noticeably quieter,

many students opting not to return to campus

since the killer is still on the run.

-I feel like a lot of people are pretty apprehensive

and everybody's being very vigilant.

Just kind of like avoiding bars and, like, downtown areas.

-The university was looking at a major decrease

in student population for the spring semester, about 30%.

No amount of assuring the public the fear is misplaced,

it doesn't make a dent in the way people feel

and react emotionally.

-The town's frightened and a ghost town.

It accentuated that creepiness, that feeling of terror.

You could see it in people's behavior.

You got home and you locked yourself in.

-We're afraid to walk anywhere alone.

We're afraid to sleep in our own homes.

-The overriding sentiment everywhere here,

a killer remains on the loose,

and residents want more answers from law enforcement.

-That continual lack of transparency has con--

Like, you know,

we live in Moscow in a murder mystery right now.

-The lack of communication and talking about, like,

where they were going and what their leads were,

and I completely understand that,

but that just opened the floodgates

of people accusing so many different people.

-So as it turns out,

hoodie guy from the food truck was just the tip of the iceberg

in terms of the number of people

who were going to be accused with limited information.

In fact, I don't think I've ever worked on a story

where so many people were thrown into the mix

as potential suspects.

-Ex-boyfriends,

boyfriends, people standing at the food truck,

professors, neighbors.

Anybody that was in their,

you know, realm of existence was fair game.

-And while the mainstream media was not immune

from this rampant speculation,

it really took hold in the online true crime forums.

-People became suspicious of Kaylee's

ex-boyfriend, Jack DuCoeur,

because she and Maddie called him multiple times in a row

very, very shortly before the murders.

-Just the mere fact that he was her ex

automatically had people up in arms.

-And then there was Jeremy Reagan.

-There were parties that were kind of loud.

Most of the time, it was pretty self-contained.

-He lived next door,

and he one day decided to take his garbage out

at the worst possible time,

when all the reporters just came running after him

and he was just walking to the dumpster.

-I would just be walking by, I would look up

and I would see people in the windows almost every night.

-He's wearing a sweatshirt that kind of like

covers up his hands.

They thought he must have cuts where his hands are covered up.

He must be hiding something.

And all of a sudden, he's the talk of the town.

-What happens is, once you're on camera,

the web sleuths come after you and they say,

"Why would you want to be on camera unless you're,

you know, the killer returning narcissistically

to the scene of the crime?"

-Law enforcement did their best

to debunk the conspiracy theories and all the rumors,

but with the two survivors not talking publicly at all,

police really had an impossible task.

-We find ourselves not only tracking those

rumors down and trying to quell them,

but the really unfortunate part of it is the effect

that it's had on the victims' families,

on the college students and friends of these --

of the victims, some of whom have had death threats.

-Ultimately, it was no use. The accusations,

they were getting crazier and crazier by the day.

-I have a gift. I have the ability

to read into minds, read into past events

and into the future.

-There's this TikTok

Tarot card-reading true crime personality

named Ashley Guillard.

-Who killed the University of Idaho college students

and why?

Their murder was ordered by Rebecca Scofield.

-Rebecca Scofield is a professor

at the University of Idaho.

-Ashley Guillard proceeded to post dozens of videos

that included Scofield's picture, e-mail address,

phone number, address.

So there's really intense, horrifying,

real world consequences for the discussions

that are evolving in true crime forums.

-In the first few weeks after the crime,

the speculation and false accusations

reached a fever pitch,

and the atmosphere of a witch hunt in Moscow

could really be seen in the case

of University of Idaho professor Rebecca Scofield.

-Schofield became afraid for her children's safety

because she was getting so harassed.

Schofield was in Oregon on the night of the murders

and, you know, not involved in the crime in any capacity.

Finally, she filed a lawsuit against Ashley Guillard.

And that case is still ongoing.

-Eventually, authorities had no choice

but to take more aggressive measures

to tamp down the rumors because they really feared

that somebody was going to end up getting hurt.

So on December 2nd,

they took the extraordinary step of putting out a press release

which effectively cleared many of the individuals

who had been attracting attention.

-We do not believe

the following individuals were involved.

The two surviving roommates.

The male seen in a Grub Truck video

circulating on the Internet.

Any of the individuals

who spoke to the dispatcher on the 911 call.

-The police publicly cleared Jack DuCoeur, Jack Showalter,

Jeremy Reagan, and, of course, Rebecca Scofield.

While investigators struggled to rein in false allegations,

they were actually keeping concealed from the public

some really crucial information about the night of the attack.

There was an eyewitness account from one

of the surviving roommates,

and they were able to use that to reconstruct

the movements of the killer that night.

-The middle of the night,

the suspect entered through the sliding glass doors

on the main floor.

And then, there's a set of stairs

which takes you up to the third floor.

-I believe his intended target was one of the girls upstairs.

♪♪

-He had a Ka-Bar knife.

It's like one step away from a samurai sword.

It's a crazy weapon. He wanted a physical battle.

♪♪

-He entered the bedroom

where Kaylee and Maddie were sleeping

and attacked them with the knife.

It only took a few moments.

[ Dog barks ]

-Dylan, one of the roommates in the house,

heard noises above her.

Her information is vital.

She provides an eyewitness account.

She puts the killer in the home at the time of the killings.

-Dylan opens her door once, sees nothing.

Texts her housemates to be quiet.

She's trying to go to sleep.

-Meanwhile, the fifth roommate, Bethany,

was believed to be asleep in her bedroom

down on the basement level.

-At the same time,

Xana and Ethan had just gotten the DoorDash

and, I think, as the killer is coming down,

maybe, like, one of them, like, peeked out and saw him.

-There was a struggle outside Xana's room.

♪♪

Ethan was mortally wounded.

Xana fought for her life.

But they couldn't save each other.

[ Dog barks ]

-The dog's barking.

Dylan hears some yelling and some commotion.

You know, she's yelling upstairs for the dog to stop barking.

-Dylan got up and went to her door again.

This time, when she looked out,

she saw the dark figure of a man dressed all in black.

-He's wearing a mask.

All she can see are his eyes and his bushy eyebrows,

which really stand out to her.

And he just walks right past her without saying anything

and walks out the back of the house.

All of this takes place within about 15 minutes.

This is still about 4:15 AM.

And she stays in her room

and she doesn't call police for another eight hours.

♪♪

-So this is one of the real mysteries

of what happened that morning.

Why did Dylan not notify police

that something was wrong until around 12 noon on November 13th?

-We don't know why that call came in at noon

and not in the middle of the night.

-What happened? Why the eight-hour delay?

♪♪

-One of the biggest unanswered questions about these murders

was why did surviving roommate Dylan

not call police for eight hours

after seeing the suspect in the house

in the middle of the night?

-The affidavit says, after seeing this man,

Dylan enters into a frozen shock phase.

-She said, quote, that she was in a "frozen shock phase."

A frozen shock phase

-Why not call police?

Could she have been in shock for that long?

-When the world first learned

that Dylan had actually laid eyes on the killer,

I think there was a lot of confusion.

I mean, the truth is, it's the middle of the night.

She opens her door and sees a strange man.

She probably had no idea what had happened in the house,

but it's frightening enough to see a strange man in your house

in the middle of the night.

And so it's understandable

that a 19 year old would be slightly shocked.

-She was paralyzed with fear in that moment,

and self-preservation becomes the number one priority.

And so it does not surprise me at all.

that she locked her door and was frozen with fear

and that there was such a delayed response.

-Another thing that police had in their possession

from the beginning that the public knew nothing about

turned out to be a critical piece of evidence.

♪♪

-The arriving first police officer on scene

did see a knife sheath.

That knife sheath had on it a Marine Corps logo.

-The knife sheath was found with Kaylee and Maddie.

As an investigator,

you're securing that item to preserve whatever is on there,

be it a fingerprint, a hair, DNA, blood, sweat, anything.

♪♪

-The crime lab then would have worked to try

to extract DNA from that item.

Now, assuming that this was just touch DNA

and perhaps skin cells or maybe a little bit of sweat,

this would have been a very small amount of DNA.

But if they're successful at that extraction,

then they will create what's called an STR profile.

-A DNA profile was obtained from the sheath.

Significant development in the case.

Huge, nuclear bomb in this investigation.

-In early December,

Alina Smith and Kristine Cameron

discover some information on their Facebook page,

and it could dramatically alter the investigation.

-We had a member on our page by the name of Pappa Rodger,

and the way he spoke

gave everybody just, like, a very, like, off feeling.

-They weren't your normal, inquisitive, you know,

true crime questions.

They were very detailed,

very descriptive statements about the crime scene.

He would talk about where the bodies were positioned

in the house, which really made a lot of people uncomfortable.

And the way he phrased questions.

"Do we think the person took something from the scene?"

And people would reply, "Do you?"

"I do."

Alina and I talked about how creepy he was.

And then, tons of people talked about,

"I bet you the killer's on this page.

We have a quarter of a million people.

I'm sure the killer is on this page."

-If the killer did in fact join this Facebook group,

I think what we're looking at

is some of his own need to be looked at.

The difficulty about a crime for the criminal

who wants credit is, if nobody's figured out you've done it.

how do you get credit? Part of how that need

gets satisfied is you sit back and you watch.

♪♪

-Moscow police and the FBI were quietly investigating the DNA

that was left behind on the knife sheath,

and the public knew nothing about this.

But there was a parallel investigation going on, as well,

based on something entirely different,

and they definitely needed the public for that.

-We started looking for video the day of the crime.

Officers on scene had identified certain residences in the area

that had video cameras.

-Police were able to put together

that they were looking for a particular vehicle.

-A white car on the night of the murder is seen driving up

and down the street, and then, immediately after the murders,

it's seen speeding away.

♪♪

-In this case, by looking at things such as the distance

between headlights, the wheelbase,

and some other dimensions that they can put against the video,

they were able to determine the make and model of the vehicle.

-It's a Hyundai Elantra from the years 2011 to 2016,

and it's white, and the investigators put it out there.

-Perhaps the Hyundai was seen here.

It may have been seen up in this direction.

There's an apartment complex and the road loops around.

-We are confident that the occupant or occupants

of that vehicle have information

that's critical to this investigation.

-The police alert about a white vehicle has raised hopes

that maybe there will be a break in this case soon.

-We do know that police have a lot more surveillance video.

They tell us that they've pretty much gotten

all the video from the area around the house

where the murders happened,

and now they're expanding that perimeter.

-They found CCTV footage of a white car driving

near state lines headed toward

Washington State University campus.

-Washington State University is in Pullman, Washington,

and the two college towns,

they're similar in many respects,

and they're practically twin cities.

♪♪

-A Washington State University campus officer

checked for white Elantras on campus

and identified a white Hyundai Elantra at a certain apartment.

The car was investigated

and determined to belong to a graduate student there

named Bryan Kohberger.

-Bryan Kohberger was a PhD student in criminology

at Washington State University.

-Investigators made multiple inquiries about Kohberger

and gathered some additional background information.

-He was also a TA,

known for being an incredibly punitive grader.

Everyone kind of hated him,

especially the women in his classes.

He had a tendency to,

I think someone described it as like mansplaining.

-Police also learned that he'd been involved at a traffic stop.

It was a month earlier, and it was captured

on the body camera of a WSU campus police officer.

-Hello, I am Officer Loingus. -Officer.

-Stop's being audio and video recorded.

-Kohberger is pulled over by a female police officer

in Pullman, Washington, for essentially running a red light.

And what you see is somebody

who's not intimidated to interact with a police officer

in a somewhat exhaustive way.

-You ran the red light. -What actually happened was

I was stuck in the middle of the intersection,

so I was forced -- -Yeah. I was behind you

the whole time. Yeah. -Yeah.

-He keeps repeating his position,

which is that, in the state he grew up in, in Pennsylvania,

that's not a law. -In Pennsylvania,

when you're stuck in the intersection,

you have to make the left. So what would

the appropriate thing for me to have done?

-Not -- -Just -- Just --

-You're not supposed to block an intersection

like that in Washington.

So just by you blocking the intersection,

that's technically a ticketable violation.

-He's not argumentative with her,

but he maintains his position without ever coming out

and saying, "I shouldn't be getting this ticket."

-But in that situation,

the best thing to do then would be back up?

Not...

-I don't know if there's a best thing to do in that situation.

-He has a level of cognitive rigidity.

He's got a fixed idea about the situation,

about what he didn't do wrong,

and he's never able to really pivot from that.

-Yeah, when I'm from, Pennsylvania,

we actually don't have, like, crosswalks.

-Oh, -And even when she says

she's going to let him go with a warning,

he continues again to try and understand the situation.

And what we see is somebody

who's having a hard time disengaging.

-Never even occurred to me that that was actually

something wrong, but I -- -Yeah.

-Well, except for the fact that...

-He didn't know how to be socially appropriate.

So, with Kohberger,

what we know is that he probably had a hard time fitting in.

-Because of that traffic stop in October, police in Pullman

actually had Bryan Kohberger's cell phone number.

They'd already pulled the cell phone tower data

from the King Road area in Moscow

from the night of the crime.

And, so, even without getting a warrant,

they were able to compare the last four digits

of Kohberger's number with all of the cell phone numbers

that pinged on that tower from the time frame of the murder.

But they came up empty, and this was really a major setback,

and the investigators found themselves

all the way back at square one.

♪♪

♪♪

-Despite having cell phone tower data,

which failed to place Bryan Kohberger

near the King Road house at the time of the crime,

authorities, they were not ready to throw in the towel

and they continued to dig deeper into Kohberger's background

and they still really viewed him as a potential suspect

at that point.

-I don't think that Kohberger really had any friends.

In high school, he was very overweight.

He was bullied.

He was remembered as being very creepy toward girls.

One thing that Bryan Kohberger had done when he was a teenager,

he had posted regularly on this forum for visual snow syndrome.

-Visual snow syndrome is, first of all,

a neurological condition that is not well understood.

People who experience it

describe it as seeing white auras or white

images that look very similar to static

that we would have seen on old-fashioned analog TVs.

And it never really goes away. And so, as you can imagine,

it's not uncommon to find, in this population, higher rates

of depression, higher rates of anxiety and stress responses.

-A lot of people who suffer from this start

to see their own life as kind of surreal,

almost like they're in a video game.

-This posting I'm looking at is from Kohberger

as a teenager on a forum for visual snow syndrome.

And this is July 5th of 2011.

He writes, "It is as if I am playing a role.

I feel like an organic sack of meat with no self-worth,

as I am starting to view everyone as this."

-"I search for someone to relate to me,

and everyone looks down upon me. No one can relate.

When I feel slightly calm, it gets hard to breathe

and I see bright dots in my vision.

Nothing I do is enjoyable, I am blank, I have no opinion,

I have no emotion, I have nothing."

There is a deep sort of self-loathing in Bryan

that he sort of starts at this point in time

to direct into the world around him.

-This is somebody who is in a level of psychological crisis,

but also there's a malaise about it.

-Digging into his past,

we find no evidence of Kohberger having relationships,

and there were really only a few awkward encounters

that he had with women.

-He went on a Tinder date with a college student

and it was very, very bizarre. A woman came forward saying

that they were watching a Netflix movie in her room,

and then she was uncomfortable.

She got up to go to the bathroom.

He followed her to the bathroom,

and she didn't know what else to do,

so she pretended to throw up.

[ Toilet flushes ]

And made, like, throwing up noises until finally he left.

And he texted her later,

telling her that she had, like, really nice birthing hips.

He -- I mean, he --

he has a history of sort of misogynistic behavior.

-At best, we can say he was socially awkward.

He didn't read a room.

He didn't understand how to navigate people.

When he's a little bit older,

Kohberger has a local bar that he goes to,

and he ends up pursuing the females at the bar,

asking them very personal information about themselves.

And when they reject him, he's derogatory towards them,

calling them pejorative names like bitches.

We're seeing this ongoing pattern with Kohberger

of struggling socially, struggling with boundaries,

struggling with appropriateness.

He is someone that has anger towards women.

-One theory about Bryan Kohberger,

for which there is no definitive proof,

is that he fits the profile of somebody in the incel community,

and that stands for involuntary celibate.

Basically, it is a big group of guys

that gather online in these forums

and spew misogynistic rhetoric.

-It's most often a 20- and 30-something-year-old White

heterosexual male community.

So these are individuals that have struggled socially.

And their target of hate becomes conventionally attractive

thinking or presenting females, that they refer to as Stacys,

and the male, athletic, all-around-American kid

that's muscular, that's attractive,

that gets to Stacys,

and they refer to those guys as Chads.

And to some degree,

there's a glorification of violence

toward Stacys and Chads.

-One particular martyr in the incel community

is a man in California whose vitriol and anger and hatred

towards women actually resulted in extreme violence.

His name was Elliot Rodger.

-Hi. Elliot Rodger here.

-Elliot Rodger wanted to be popular among the ladies.

And, like, he felt that there was no reason

that they shouldn't like him

because he was rich and had a nice cars,

but nobody would look at him or anything,

and he just had a lot of anger in general.

Well, this is my last video.

-He posted sort of a revenge video,

um, explaining his sort of ideology

and also wrote a manifesto,

as mass killers sometimes do.

-Tomorrow is the day of retribution...

the day in which I will have my revenge against humanity...

against all of you.

-Our top story tonight -- a 22-year-old

taking the lives of six others

in a shooting rampage near UC Santa Barbara.

Two women standing outside a sorority

and one man outside a deli were gunned down last night.

13 others injured.

And three others were stabbed to death

at his apartment.

-Elliot Rodger killed six people

in a stabbing and shooting spree in 2014,

and he's become a hero of the --

of the incel movement.

♪♪

-So I thought

that there is a connection

with Pappa Rodger and Elliot Rodger.

He picked that name for a specific reason,

and it was because I believe

what Elliot Rodger was saying resonated with him.

"Pappa Rodger."

He wanted to be, like, the daddy of Elliot Rodger

or, like, you know, bigger than what Elliot Rodger had done.

♪♪

-It's important to note that no evidence has emerged

tying either Brian Kohberger or Pappa Rodger

to online posts in incel forums

or that they expressed admiration for Elliot Rodger.

But the parallels -- they really are hard to ignore.

-Since that shooting, there are phrases that sometimes come up.

"I'm going to go E.R. the situation."

That's a direct reference to Elliot Rodger

and somebody saying,

"I'm going to go shoot several Stacy's and Chad's."

♪♪

-The sorority that he was targeting

was the same one that Kaylee was a part of.

-The fact that Elliot Rodger targeted

the Alpha Phi sorority house at UC Santa Barbara,

the same sorority that Kaylee Goncalves belonged to.

Is that a coincidence?

♪♪

-In the weeks after the murders,

the Facebook group stayed very active,

but one particular contributor really stood out.

-When the police said

that they were looking for a white Elantra,

that just set off pandemonium on the page.

Pappa Rodger was insistent this white Elantra was a red herring,

that it had nothing to do with the crime, was bogus,

that we should be focusing on other things.

-In the first weeks of December,

despite having no proof at all.

the members of the forum began to speculate

that Pappa Rodger was actually the killer.

♪♪

-People would ask for his removal.

Like, "You're gonna get rid of this guy or what?

'Cause he's kind of scaring me. He's freaking me out."

But I saw no reason to remove him.

♪♪

-At the end of December, I had to travel

where I was going to be offline and not be able to help.

So we asked this member to help out

for a little while as a moderator.

♪♪

Pappa Rodger got into a big fight

with a lot of people.

He would fight incessantly with members in our page.

♪♪

-The wanting to see the maximum destruction,

wanting to see the effects of your decision-making

and stirring the pot with the online community

is something we do see sometimes in narcissistic individuals.

-He had gotten several warnings.

And this moderator that we had asked to help fill in

removed him from the page.

♪♪

-I was not happy with that decision.

When you remove somebody like that,

a good chunk of their information goes with them.

There's a lot of information that's now deleted completely.

And what if there's some key evidence there?

-Thankfully, we started taking tons of screenshots of things

that he said on the page before it was removed.

♪♪

Pappa Rodger was removed from the page

somewhere between 4:00 and 6:00 p.m.,

and within the hour, Pappa Rodger opens

a new Facebook group called

"Moscow Murders Anything Goes."

♪♪

-Once police started looking into Bryan Kohberger,

the more they learned about him,

the more intriguing he became as a potential suspect.

-When Bryan Kohberger turned out to be a criminology student,

that added an entirely new layer to the story.

♪♪

He ended up going to community college

and sort of developing

a really intense interest in, um, murder.

[ Chuckles ] And, uh...

And that sort of carried him into grad school and beyond.

He studied under a very, very prominent professor

who's a serial-killer expert,

and I think that that might have fascinated him.

But he was known academically

for having an interest specifically

in crime scenes and DNA.

-In the case of Kohberger,

he obviously took it a step further by trying

to obtain a doctorate degree in criminology.

It's hard to know what his motivation and perspective was,

but given how this individual seems to have a high need

for specificity, for precision...

While we don't know for sure -- and it's speculation --

it's not unreasonable to think

that what he was really also trying to do

was understand how to commit a perfect crime.

♪♪

♪♪

-By the second week in December,

even though they had cellphone tower data,

which failed to place him at the scene of the crime,

authorities, they were still keeping close tabs

on potential suspect Bryan Kohberger.

This was as the fall semester was coming to a close.

-He made plans to drive across the country home

to Pennsylvania for winter break.

His dad flew out to make the drive with him.

♪♪

-I suspect that there was some type

of physical surveillance involved --

if not for the full trip,

then at least a portion -- a good portion of the trip.

-They were stopped a couple times by police in Indiana.

-Okay.

-It's a strange exchange.

Bryan seemed to avoid saying where they were really headed.

-People theorize that the police who made these stops

were aware of who he was

and had intelligence about his connection to a possible crime.

-Perhaps there was a reason

why they wanted to slow him down --

maybe for the surveillance to catch up with him.

Perhaps it was also to see what was going on inside the vehicle.

-Officers never ticketed Kohberger

for any traffic violations, and they let him go.

♪♪

-And upon arrival in Pennsylvania,

authorities were keeping an eye on Kohberger

as a person of interest.

♪♪

-DNA extracted from the knife sheath found at the crime scene

didn't yet point to one particular individual,

but it helped investigators establish a family profile.

-If they only do have that touch DNA

and that one piece of genetic evidence,

they are going to need other evidence to help back that up

and tie a suspect directly to that crime scene.

They have to collect DNA directly from that individual

and compare it against

the court-admissible genetic profile.

♪♪

-At the time, Bryan Kohberger was staying

at his parents' house in a gated community

called Indian Mountain Lake.

-The first thing they look to do

is retrieve discarded household trash.

♪♪

-But once Kohberger was in Pennsylvania,

he was, according to the police,

super hypervigilant about not leaving prints anywhere.

He wore gloves everywhere he went.

♪♪

-How someone acts after a crime could be argued

to be relevant if it suggests consciousness of guilt.

Why would somebody be wearing gloves

when they're putting out the garbage or cleaning their car?

Is it because they're trying to eliminate

certain fingerprint evidence

or anything that could be tied back to them?

-Unfortunately for him,

his parents were not being as hypervigilant.

♪♪

So police were able to get the family's trash.

♪♪

-They pulled that DNA from

Bryan Kohberger's parents' house,

and it didn't match the suspect.

Well, there's two males in this home that we know of, right?

There's Bryan and his father.

This is male DNA.

Let's run a paternity comparison.

♪♪

And they got the match then.

♪♪

They apparently got his father's DNA.

Now, because his father is a first-degree relative,

they can still use that STR profile.

-That was the final straw.

Investigators at that point

were 99.9998% certain they had the right guy.

♪♪

-While investigators were following

the DNA trail in Pennsylvania,

police in Idaho were still troubled

by that cellphone tower data from the night of the attack.

But now they had enough other evidence

to apply for a search warrant

for Kohberger's full cellphone tracking data.

♪♪

-Bryan Kohberger's cell records

were a treasure trove of information.

Wouldn't you know -- Mr. Kohberger's phone

was turned off at 2:47 a.m.

the night of the murders.

It also revealed that the phone was turned back on

in traveling from Idaho back into Washington after 4:30 a.m.

Now, why would someone turn off their phone

at 2:30 in the morning...

only to turn it back on at 4:30?

-Any time somebody turns off their phone

suggests that they're trying not to be picked up

by communications networks during that particular time.

-Prior to the murders...

a continued examination of Bryan Kohberger's cellphone

revealed that on 12 separate occasions,

Mr. Kohberger's phone is found in the area of King Road

essentially in the middle of the night.

♪♪

Was he stalking our young victims?

Was he preparing to commit the crime?

See, I look at that and those 12 occasions...

and then I look at November 13th,

and I say that occasion was different

because when he left his house that 13th time,

at 2:47 a.m., he shut his phone off.

Why?

I think it was "game on" at that point.

♪♪

-For the sprawling network of federal,

state, and local authorities investigating these murders,

all the pieces of the puzzle

were finally starting to come together.

-This isn't just DNA.

It's the DNA of the guy

who happens to own a Hyundai -- 2015, white --

who lives in the area...

whose phone number

happened to ping off the tower 13 times total...

happened to be shut off that night...

who's approximately 5'10" with bushy eyebrows.

Bryan Kohberger is either the killer

or the unluckiest person in America.

♪♪

-The FBI assembled a team on the ground in Pennsylvania.

All of the parties agreed it was time to act.

♪♪

-A SWAT team rushed

from the forested area around the house

and surrounded it, broke the front window.

[ Glass shatters ]

The sounds are shattering glass and breaking wood.

♪♪

-He was found to be awake in the residence.

A SWAT team from the Pennsylvania State Police,

in coordination with federal authorities,

served that arrest warrant.

[ Siren wails ]

-For a lot of people, there was sort of

a sweet sense of justice.

He's charged with murdering them in the dead of night

while these kids felt safe in their bedrooms...

and in the dead of night,

the SWAT team came for Kohberger.

[ Siren wails ]

♪♪

-Major breaking news Friday.

An arrest in the case 47 days later.

Bryan Kohberger, a graduate student

studying criminology at Washington State University,

was taken into custody in Pennsylvania.

-When Bryan Kohberger got arrested,

there was, like, this feeling of,

"Okay. It wasn't any person that we had ever talked about."

♪♪

-And we're like, "Oh, that's him!"

♪♪

-He's tall. He's got the bushy eyebrows.

♪♪

You get, like, this kind of sick feeling

in the pit of your stomach. Like, "This is the guy."

♪♪

-Everybody did their job, and they did it well.

I think there was a collective exhale

among all of the citizens here in town

and probably further afield than that.

♪♪

♪♪

-On January 5th, just a few days after the arrest,

Kohberger made his first appearance in an Idaho court.

I was there on the ground on the scene to report,

and the vibe was very somber.

It was really fraught with emotion.

Remember, this is a small town.

They don't really deal with high-profile cases like this.

Even going in the courthouse today,

I mean, it's a small courthouse.

♪♪

-You could only imagine the tension in that courtroom

as Bryan Kohberger makes

his very first appearance to the world,

and all you can hear

is the sound of his shackles clanging across the floor.

-Bryan Kohberger never looked at

the victims' families in court Thursday,

only looking in the direction of his lawyer and the judge.

-When it came time for Bryan Kohberger

to actually stand up and enter a plea,

he wouldn't do it -- he stood silent.

So that forces the judge

to just enter a "not guilty" plea for him.

And there are a couple of reasons

why a lawyer and a client might decide to do that,

one of which is that you have the right preserved

to question the mental state

of the suspect at the time of the crime.

And we don't know if that's why they did it,

but it's possible.

-One thing that was clear after the initial court appearance --

this would be a long and drawn-out process

for the victims' families...

and there would be no resolution anytime soon.

-This is not the end of this investigation.

In fact, this is a new beginning.

♪♪

-When the trial happens,

it's -- it's gonna be ripping off

a very nasty Band-Aid. that has to happen.

It's gonna be uncomfortable.

It's -- It's gonna sting.

-It's gonna be quite a circus,

and I think a lot of details that have not come out

are going to be sort of showcased,

and we're going to learn so much more

about what actually happened that night.

♪♪

-Some of the things that will perhaps come out

will be the efforts they took to find the knife...

♪♪

...if the knife was purchased by Kohberger.

♪♪

-The Hyundai Elantra was taken into custody.

His laptop. His cellphone.

Those items are going to be the subject

of intense forensics examinations,

and, undoubtedly,

there could be information in those items

that will support the prosecution's case.

♪♪

-The key element in the trial

is gonna be the touch DNA collected at the scene,

but experts say there is a chance

that it doesn't even hold up in court.

Forensically, touch DNA is not as strong as DNA

from blood or other bodily fluids

because touch DNA

is actually more susceptible to contamination.

-Touch DNA can be transferred.

You can shake someone's hand,

and then they can leave your DNA somewhere.

So I do think that when you only have touch DNA,

you really do have to have other evidence

that ties someone to a crime scene.

It's not a slam dunk like it might be in some cases

where you find the perpetrator's blood

mixed with the victim's blood.

-This is a capital case.

The fact that the prosecution is seeking the death penalty

against Bryan Kohberger

really turns the volume up on this case

because his life now hangs in the balance.

♪♪

-In the wake of the arrest

and with a trial looming at some point,

the Facebook sleuths, Alina and Kristine,

decide to go back over all of their discussions,

and they go back over the probable-cause affidavit, too --

the PCA.

And that's when they discovered something kind of alarming.

♪♪

-There was a statement by Pappa Rodger on November 30th

where he says, "Of the evidence released,

the murder weapon has been consistent

as a large fixed blade knife.

This leads me to believe they found the sheath."

People were like, "Where are you getting this from?"

-And then, in January, the PCA comes out

and we see that the sheath in fact was left behind,

which again, makes us all think

that this very well could have been the suspect.

♪♪

-Alina and Kristine also went back over

Pappa Rodger's new Facebook group,

"Moscow Murders Anything Goes."

And they discovered something very odd.

-When Bryan Kohberger is arrested,

Pappa Rodger profile goes blank.

You don't see it anymore.

There's no more interactions at all.

♪♪

That just sent chills up my spine --

like, "Oh, my God. He probably was in the group."

♪♪

-That whole profile gets erased from the Internet.

♪♪

And that admin gets erased, as well.

And poof -- gone.

-I believe that the police and the FBI

probably worked to get all of this information offline

so they can use it in their case.

-There's no mention of Pappa Rodger

in the probable-cause affidavit

or really any evidence that the FBI took down the account.

In fact, there may be no connection

to Kohberger at all,

but Alina and Kristine could not help but notice

something very striking

about the Pappa Rodger profile picture.

♪♪

-His actual profile picture

is of a Russian military guy from Moscow.

In my eyes, he does resemble the suspect.

I see it 100%.

-If you were to look at Kohberger

sideways like his profile,

I feel like that is -- looks just like him.

-I think, for Kohberger,

if, in fact, he was that profile, Pappa Rodger,

if this was a thrill-seeking situation for him,

a thrill-seeking event, you know?

Dropping these little clues, dropping these hints

helps him not only relive the high,

but it helps him stay in control

and create sort of a secondary high for himself,

which is the hunt -- the hunt for him.

♪♪

-For over a year, the house on King Road

had really stood like a scar in that community, a blight,

a horrible reminder of what happened that October night.

And the University of Idaho made a decision --

that house needed to come down.

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-You can see that excavator at work,

making quick work of the front side of the house,

which is essentially gone now.

-All the evidence that could possibly be garnered

from the site has been garnered.

All the belongings have been moved out.

-Do you think it's at all possible

that the prosecution is so confident about their case

they're not worried at all about the house standing?

-I've been told that exactly. I've been told 100%.

"The amount of stuff we have, Steve. Relax."

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-After assessing everything

and the weight of the evidence against Mr. Kohberger,

it certainly doesn't look great for him.

But he has that right to a fair trial,

and he's assumed innocent

until he is proven guilty in that Idaho court of law.

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-The two surviving roommates, they've never spoken publicly,

and by all accounts, they were

really severely traumatized by the events of that night,

but they're trying to move forward with their lives.

And for the families of the four victims,

their wounds are deep and raw,

and not even a guilty conviction or a sentence of death

will fill the void left by the loss of their loved ones.

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-The main reason I'm up here today

is so that everybody can understand what we lost.

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Because we lost four beautiful souls.

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-When I would meet people, they say, you know,

"Tell me about yourself."

And the first thing I'd say is, "Well, I have this daughter,

and she's -- You know, here's a picture of her.

She's -- She's on the dean's list at, uh, college."

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-It's hard that we are without

these four beautiful kids with us tonight.

We are eternally grateful

that we spent so much time with him.

And I want to remind you

that that's the most important message that we have

for you and your families -- is to make sure

that you spend as much time as possible with those people

because time is precious

and it's something you can't get back.

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-Through all this, I hope we can all look

through that dark tunnel and see the light...

and follow that light.

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And I pray that we have justice some day.

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