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REPORTER: Y'all, we are awaiting
Space Shuttle Columbia,
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as we promised.
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About ready to land at the
Kennedy Space Center in Florida.
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It's supposed to happen
in about 15 more minutes.
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At the runway, there was just
a lot of energy in the air,
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and so, as a kid, you just
kind of ride that energy.
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But all of the waiting
just felt like an eternity.
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Here we go! Woo!
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There's this big countdown clock.
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I just remember staring
at that clock,
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watching every second go down.
I'm like, "Is it now? Is it now?"
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I don't know what I expected
when I saw that clock.
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Like, for them to just magically
arrive when it reached zero?
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Iain was very excited.
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Mom's coming home and, you know,
he's going to get Mom hugs,
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erm, great meals...
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You know,
life will be back to normal.
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It is now 9am on the East Coast.
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Take a look outside. If you hear a
"boom-boom", it's the Space Shuttle.
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Somebody from NASA said, "You'll
see the big, kind of, parachute
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"that pops out of the back."
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I think that's probably
what I was most excited about,
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just watching
the parachute come out.
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But then the clock started
counting back up.
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It went zero, negative one,
negative two...
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Where's the double sonic boom?
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No sonic boom.
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I'm kind of looking at
all the other families,
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but no-one was really
saying anything.
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You could kind of feel the air
shift a little bit.
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There's no Space Shuttle.
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I just got this incredible pit
in my stomach...
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..of fear and of anxiety.
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A rush of adrenaline
that you just...
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You know something's wrong.
Something's wrong.
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The shuttle is the most complicated
space machine ever built.
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The world's greatest
electric flying machine.
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It has been a bad day for NASA.
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A sense of tragedy
in the space programme,
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and as word spreads
across the nation...
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There are no simple
and easy answers.
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We are doing everything
we possibly can
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to find out what caused
this accident.
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All the warning signs were there.
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This didn't have to happen.
We let it happen.
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Houston, UHF comm check.
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MILA's not reporting any RF
at this time.
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When are you expecting
tracking?
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One minute ago, Flight.
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Flight, GC. No C-band yet.
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Copy.
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C-band is a radar
that sits on the ground
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and literally it sends out
a signal and it bounces it
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off of the spacecraft
to tell us where it is.
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But we were getting nothing.
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You know, the room was just silent.
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All right, Miles, back over to you.
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Erm, we've got a little problem
on the Space Shuttle Columbia.
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It has been out of communication
now for the past 12 minutes.
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Let's take a look at a live picture
of mission control in Houston.
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I was live on morning TV.
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I was dialled into NASA
on a cellphone I had.
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There was a secret phone number
you could dial into
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and hear the mission audio.
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The people in the control room are
going, "Are you hearing this?"
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No further communications with the
spacecraft about 8am Central Time...
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Hang on, let's listen in.
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..and no further tracking data from
the spacecraft that was gained from
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C-band tracking radar at the Merritt
Island tracking station in Florida.
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My team was in the control room and
they were like, "This is serious.
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"We need to get Miles
off that couch."
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And as I was making my way across
the newsroom to this other set,
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I literally started heaving.
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The last communications
with the Shuttle Columbia
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during its descent from orbit
were at about 8am Central Time...
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Standing on the side of the runway,
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realising that my biggest fear
is coming true.
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I just dropped my head
and turned around,
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shaking my head, just walked away.
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There wasn't anything else
you could do.
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We are a minute-and-a-half past
the scheduled landing time.
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The Space Shuttle is not here.
This has never happened before.
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All of a sudden,
the astronaut family escorts,
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all of their cellphones
start simultaneously ringing.
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We realised something's
seriously wrong, and I said,
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"Let's get the families... Let's
get them back to crew quarters."
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Wow.
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Oh, my goodness.
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Oh!
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It looks like we've got a van,
probably full of family members
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of the astronauts, being
driven away. That's not good.
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I remember grabbing Mom's arm
and saying, "Mom, is Daddy OK?"
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And I was just kind of staring
out of the window,
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trying to figure out
what was happening.
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I can just hear my mom and the
driver just kind of whispering
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in a hushed tone, like,
"What does this mean?"
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From WFAA TV, Channel 8,
The Spirit of Texas.
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We're going to suspend
our normal format right now
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because we've got
some breaking news.
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This is videotape
of the Space Shuttle Columbia
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on its way to a scheduled
landing this morning.
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But then we began to see this...
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It looks like you can see pieces
of the shuttle coming off.
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There you can see numerous streams
leaving some kind of trail
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over the skies of Texas.
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The Space Shuttle over Nacogdoches?
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What is... What is happening?
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We had just gone through 9/11
and at first I thought,
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"Did somebody blow it up?"
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It was probably a reasonable thought
that a lot of people had,
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that it could be something
terrorist-related,
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even in this small rural area,
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because you never know
where that might take place.
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Phones were ringing off the hook.
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Much more than our dispatch staff
could handle.
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There was mass confusion.
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We can only hope that what
we're seeing is not the worst,
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but we don't have any confirmation.
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Well, they were reporting
what they knew on TV,
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but here we knew that it was
falling all over our county,
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and so immediately
I picked up my camcorder.
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This was something
that was going to be big.
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Oh, my goodness.
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I wonder what that is.
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A large piece of debris right in
the middle of their parking lot,
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behind the bank.
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You see this? This is parts of it.
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That's where it hit.
That's where it hit and bounced.
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Well, it's up in a tree over here.
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It must have come right
through there. Golly!
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That's pretty big.
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It was just chaos.
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Y'all didn't touch it or anything,
did you? No, mam.
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You don't understand.
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You don't comprehend the massiveness
of what's happening.
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It became pretty obvious that...
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..the worst had happened.
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It was just shocking.
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People waking up
to this horrible news.
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Quite frankly, I turned and looked
across a big open ploughed field,
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and there, in fact,
is a piece of smoking wreckage.
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This blackened material,
letting out white-hot smoke.
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There's some rubber
burning in our pasture.
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They're reporting a piece
of wreckage came through
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an apartment roof
and started a fire.
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Catastrophe striking
the Space Shuttle Columbia.
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Its crew of seven astronauts...
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Right now, NASA will be
trying to make sense
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of what happened in the skies
over Texas.
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GC, Flight. Flight, GC.
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Lock the doors. Copy.
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I was starting to see the beginning
of the process for shut down,
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preserve your data,
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because it's going to be needed
later, for investigation.
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No... No phone calls off-site
outside of this room,
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our discussions are on these loops,
on the recorded DVIS loops only.
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No data, no phone calls, no
transmissions anywhere, into or out.
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I remember turning around
and seeing LeRoy...
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..and he had...he had a tear
going down his cheek.
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That was...that was a hard moment.
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I glanced up and I saw an engineer,
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I remember her eyes
and cheeks were wet.
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She was sobbing and crying.
And she looked at me and she said,
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"There's nothing
we could have done."
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And all my pent-up frustration
and anger just came out
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and I said, "I've been hearing
that damn stuff all week
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"and I'm sick and tired of it!"
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I think I was more angry than sad,
thinking,
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this didn't have to happen.
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It didn't have to happen.
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We were told, "We're going to
take you to crew quarters",
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and so we were just kind of taken
to this huge boardroom.
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It's this big long table, many
chairs, and all of these TV screens.
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And all of the screens were off.
Everything was off.
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We were all together,
waiting in this room,
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but as a kid, I was just looking
around to see if I could,
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kind of, figure out
what was going down.
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I remember going
in the conference room...
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..and, erm...
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..it was my job to
tell the families.
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I can't remember exactly
how I said it.
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That, erm...
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That the crew is lost -
that they were not coming home.
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I didn't want them to have
any kind of false hope, and...
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..I just did it in the most...
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..caring, compassionate way
that I could.
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It's almost like,
from what I remember,
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there was, like, a ringing in my
ear.
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Like, I don't know what was
being said or what, like...
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And, you know, I just...
You can't even process that.
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This is not happening.
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There's no way this is happening.
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In my mind, I'm thinking,
kind of, like,
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the spaceship is like a cruise ship.
There are lifeboats.
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Surely they got on a lifeboat,
you know?
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And, you know, somebody has just
got to go get them, cos...
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I'm thinking of like, you know,
all of the science fiction movies
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where they get into the little pods
and they zoom away from the danger.
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Somehow they had survived
the crash in the ocean somewhere,
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and they were all out
living on an island.
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There was explosive crying.
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If you've ever heard an animal
scream in agony or...
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It was... It was primal.
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It was... It was horrific.
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Everything just fell apart.
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The shuttle wasn't coming home.
Dad wasn't coming home.
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Sorry.
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These were husbands and fathers
and wives, gone.
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A fair amount of rookies
on this particular one.
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Somehow I just got my act together
and I just started talking.
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The mission appeared to go well.
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There was one thing that engineers
were looking at at launch.
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We're going to try to get you
some tape of it.
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There was a piece of debris
which came off the shuttle.
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I'm going to bring in a model here.
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I felt like it was my responsibility
to talk about the foam strike,
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to get it out there in the public,
so...
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..I talked to the folks in the
control room and I said, you know,
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"Can you cue-up the launch replays?"
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All right, let's take a look at this
launch. If we can run that through
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the telestrator,
that would be very helpful.
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Look what happened
a minute after launch.
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Look at this very, very slow...
Look at that piece, right there.
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What was that?
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There was a piece of debris which
struck the shuttle as it came off.
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Was it a piece of foam?
Was it a piece of ice?
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The question was, what did it do?
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I still didn't know for sure.
I still was the armchair analyst.
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But Challenger was deep
in our memory
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and this was a similar scenario.
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In the wake of Challenger,
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NASA management just tried to
shut everything down,
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and it created a huge amount of
bad blood between the media...
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It made NASA look guilty as hell.
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How will they respond to this?
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What is this going to do
to the space programme?
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The second shuttle craft lost.
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It was my worst nightmare.
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Painful.
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Such a searing memory of Challenger
and how much it had defined NASA.
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This was the very last thing I had
thought that I would be reporting
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to the President on this day
or any other day.
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I called the White House,
told him that we don't know a lot
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but we have just lost Shuttle
Columbia. This was my duty...
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..to be responsible
for this accident.
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My fellow Americans...
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..this day has brought terrible news
and great sadness to our country.
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The Columbia is lost.
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There are no survivors.
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All Americans today
are thinking as well
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of the families of these
men and women
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who have been given
this sudden shock and grief.
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They gave their lives for us
and we want everybody to know
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how much we appreciate that,
especially their families,
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because it's the most precious gift
they could give.
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When we drove up in front
of our house...
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..our whole street,
all of our neighbours,
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were standing outside of
our house to welcome us.
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Just hugged and cried in the street.
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We walk into the house that
my brother and I had decorated
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to welcome my dad home,
and now we have to take this down.
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Like, this is.... He's not here.
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We were home...
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..but it wasn't the same.
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The solution for the first day
was...
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..drink alcohol and talk.
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I mean, drinking - a lot.
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Until I'm just passed out.
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Going home, you go through it
all over again.
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You realise...
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..she's not going to come back.
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So it was kind of hopeless.
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Nothing really matters any more.
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I mean, honestly,
the only goal I had...
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..was simply just to keep him alive.
I mean, literally.
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It's like, I don't want him to get
to that despondent stage where
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he just says, you know, "I'm going
to check out and join Mom now."
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This happened under my watch.
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But I didn't have the answers.
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In every public forum
I'm going to have to be in,
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how am I going to explain this
to anybody?
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We're going to find out, we hope,
in a few minutes, what NASA knows.
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NASA, as an agency, will have a
lot of tough, pointed questions,
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asking specifics.
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At this time we have no indication
that the mishap was caused
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by anything or anyone on the ground.
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Welcome to the Johnson Space Center.
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To my left is Ron Dittemore.
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He's the Space Shuttle
Programme Manager.
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We're devastated...
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..because of the events
that unfolded this morning.
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Do you have any idea how much of a
damage area may have been left on
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the left wing and how big that
piece of foam was that came off?
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Tell me who's leading
this investigation.
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We'd heard some reports
that during launch
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there had been some concerns
that some debris hit the wing.
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Is that true and is that
any cause of concern that
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that could have caused
today's problems?
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It is true. It was judged
that that event
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did not represent a safety concern.
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We have appointed
a Mishap Investigation Board,
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an external group, people who are
independent from NASA, to ascertain
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the causes and the circumstances
under which the tragedy occurred.
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My thoughts are on what we missed...
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..what I missed...
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..to allow this to happen,
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but I guarantee you
we're going to fix it.
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I was playing tennis
in McLean, Virginia.
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I received a phone call...
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..saying that I would be
flown immediately
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to Barksdale Air Force Base.
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After Challenger,
NASA had a contingency plan
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in case there was
a shuttle accident.
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I never really imagined
that it would happen.
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With Columbia, we had people
who had experience
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with accident investigation
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from the military, Navy
and Air Force, on the team.
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I came to the investigation
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as a helicopter pilot
who knew something
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about doing accident investigations.
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I did not come to the investigation
as a Space Shuttle expert.
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I literally knew nothing about
how the shuttle was put together.
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We needed NASA's help
because, by definition,
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everybody who came in as an external
part of the investigation team
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is not a Space Shuttle expert.
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There was years
of shuttle programme knowledge
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that we needed to learn
very quickly.
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From what we understand,
a piece of foam insulation
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came off during lift-off.
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This piece hit part of
the left side of the shuttle
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and they don't know
if there was any damage or not.
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Very early on, NASA told us that
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they knew about a foam...a debris
event.
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But we didn't even know
enough about the shuttle
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to understand that there
was foam on the tanks.
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The press wants to know what
happened, and it's like...
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..yep, so do we.
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REPORTER: The recovery effort
is massive,
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involving dozens of agencies,
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covering many hundreds
of square miles.
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It's the largest recovery effort
that has ever been attempted
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in this country.
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As an investigator,
I wanted as ironclad a case
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as we could possibly have
for the sequence of events
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leading to the cause of the crash
of Space Shuttle Columbia.
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But if we were going to do that,
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we needed to collect all the debris
and reconstruct the shuttle.
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1,200 sites have been identified.
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All those pieces will be brought
to the Kennedy Space Center,
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where Columbia will be reassembled,
in a manner-of-speaking.
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Literally thousands of pieces of
debris are now pieces to a puzzle.
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They've already made hundreds
of finds,
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from tiny scraps of metal
to whole panels...
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..and the tragic but inevitable
discovery of human remains.
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A spacecraft breaking up
at 190,000 feet.
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It's something you couldn't,
like, get out of your mind.
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I mean, I'd been in space before.
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This was something
I was about to do again.
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And then this horrific thing
happens to my classmates,
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my co-workers, friends.
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So I called the constable and I
said, "Hey, I need a helicopter.
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"I've got to get to East Texas."
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On the way, you could see there
were pieces of Space Shuttle,
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thousands and thousands of pieces,
all over the place.
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So, we land on the high school...
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..it was a high school
football field, and, erm...
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..a police officer said to me,
he says,
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"Hey, we have a report of one
of the crew members' bodies."
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I was the first person there
from NASA.
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This was not something
I was trained for.
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We just try to do the best job
we can to handle this
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as respectfully as possible.
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For decades, the American space
programme has been a source
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of great technological innovation.
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But that hard-won reputation
is looking badly knocked.
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For many of the thousands who work
at the Lyndon Johnson Space Center
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in Houston, today was the first day
back at work since the disaster.
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They'd apparently been encouraged
not to talk to the press.
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The investigators rented a building
right outside the gate.
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I felt OK.
I felt, "This is a good thing,
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"this has to happen,
I hope they're thorough."
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Inside, the internal conflict
was building.
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Getting angry at management,
and it was very public arguments.
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It wasn't just one-on-one.
It was out in the hallways.
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It was so accusatory.
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There was so much anger
and frustration.
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On the first day that we went
into Johnson Space Center,
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there were people who
received us very well.
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There were people who were
not happy that we were here.
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I was one of the first people
to be...
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..interviewed and interrogated.
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They had access to everything -
all videos, all data, all emails.
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People had to comply.
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In some cases, we're asking for
data, and they'd be like,
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"I can't give you that
information right now.
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"You're going to have to
go up through
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"a very formal NASA chain
of command to be approved."
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Generally speaking, who were
the ones who were less keen
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for your help, or less pleased
you were there, perhaps?
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I think the folks that were probably
less interested in our help
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were more at the management level
in NASA.
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I call it the Managers' Club.
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It's a type of a culture
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where there are rules of behaviour
and ways of talking.
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You don't jump the chain of command.
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And that's insulting, to go up to
someone higher and ask directly.
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You're supposed to co-ordinate all
your questions, especially harsh
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or strong questions to managers.
You don't do that directly.
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You use the intermediaries
to do that.
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You don't talk bluntly
or pose questions like that
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to a NASA manager.
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Are you going to risk your career
in NASA by standing up
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and arguing with
the chain of command?
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Because that can be
very career limiting
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and you find yourself shuffled off
into a windowless room
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and, you know,
just going through paperwork.
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I want the system, I want the NASA
manager culture, confronted.
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Good afternoon, everybody,
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and welcome to the Johnson Space
Center for today's briefing.
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Again joining me is Shuttle
Programme Manager Ron Dittemore.
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Today, I brought with me...
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..a piece of foam, and I think we've
made some foam available to you,
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so that you can get an understanding
of the composition of this material.
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It's very lightweight,
which is logical.
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You would want it to be lightweight
because the more weight you put
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on the tank, the less up-mass
you could launch into an orbit.
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So it's difficult for us to believe
as engineers, as management,
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and as a team, that this particular
piece of foam debris
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shedding from the tank represented
a safety-of-flight issue.
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I caught some segment
that Ron got into
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in which he said in
a declarative voice...
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Right now, it just does not make
sense to us that a piece of debris
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would be the root cause...
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..for the loss of Columbia
and its crew.
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There's got to be another reason.
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How can he say that?
Where is he getting that from?
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What a big denial.
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To be certain it was foam
is nonsense, right?
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But to be certain it wasn't foam
is equally nonsense, right?
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00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,360
And that's what they were saying.
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It's not foam. Well, how do you
know?
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I know from the accident
investigation team's perspective,
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no-one was going to go public and
say, "We know what didn't happen."
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Can you get that shot right there?
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That's a NASA official.
He's holding a piece of foam,
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which he is now saying could not
have had enough impact because
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it's too light to have damaged those
tiles that we've been talking about.
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I knew Ron, I had respect for Ron,
Ron was Linda Ham's boss,
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and a good manager,
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but what's always the first step
in...in grief?
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Denial.
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I called Ron and we had
a very brief conversation.
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I said, "Ron, let me just
remind you, OK?
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"We've got a clear understanding
that we are not going to
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"eliminate ANYTHING until
the data has come in
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"to definitively eliminate it."
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To bring that out and dismiss it,
you know, pre-emptively,
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I think speaks volumes.
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At the very least
they had to acknowledge it,
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but it was acknowledging
their own mistakes.
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00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,000
And that's hard to do.
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Each week, there was a new
trailer-load of debris showed up,
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came right in this hangar,
through those doors,
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and it would be catalogued
and then put out on the floor.
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I want to know what the debris
is telling us,
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I want to know what the
aerodynamics are telling us,
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and I want to know what
the sensors are telling us.
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You know, follow the debris.
What's it telling you?
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And if you follow the logic,
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you begin to see pieces
that are telling you a story.
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As we were progressing through
the left-wing reconstruction,
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you can see these burned tiles.
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This reinforced carbon-carbon
looks like it's been burned
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in a way that's very different
than everything else.
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All of that data pointed to
a problem at RCC Panel #8.
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Something very different happened
in this location on the orbiter
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and so let's go see if we
can understand what that was.
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OK, so as the vehicle is
entering the atmosphere,
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these black tiles are protecting
the structure,
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the aluminium of the vehicle,
in high-heat areas,
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and the grey is the wing leading
edge reinforced carbon-carbon -
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RCC panels.
483
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,520
Those protect the vehicle
from the highest level of heat,
484
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:57,040
those 3,000-degree temperatures,
so that you don't get metal melting.
485
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,920
But we had never had any experience
in breaking a panel.
486
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,040
What was starting to join up was,
you've got video analysis
487
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,280
that says the strike on the orbiter
created a hole in the wing.
488
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,440
And you can see that there had
been some sort of penetration
489
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,040
against the RCC panel.
490
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,760
Hot gas had entered
491
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,800
and the shuttle had lost
aerodynamic control and crashed.
492
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,600
But I think the challenge
for a lot of folks at NASA
493
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,280
was believing that foam
had done that.
494
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:53,400
They would say foam can't break
reinforced carbon-carbon.
495
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,200
There were a lot of people that said
496
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,440
there's something else
that explains this.
497
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,200
There are dramatic new details
tonight from NASA
498
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,360
on what scientists knew and when
they knew it about possible trouble
499
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,440
that could put the Columbia
Shuttle astronauts' lives in danger.
500
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,920
The Observer moves the story
forward, saying that there have been
501
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,280
repeated warnings about safety at
NASA over the past couple of years.
502
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,360
We decided to ask NASA about
the history of foam strikes,
503
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,200
which had never been done.
504
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,280
I was asked by the accident
investigation team
505
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,400
to help find that type
of information.
506
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,320
I went through a database...
507
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,520
..and I was shocked to find
that there were over
508
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,280
a half a dozen occurrences.
509
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,360
We turned that in
to the investigation board
510
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,120
and I said, "You're not going to
believe this. Take a look at this."
511
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,920
1983 was the first bipod ramp
foam loss.
512
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,320
1990.
513
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,960
1992.
514
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,640
'92 again.
515
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,520
1994.
516
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,760
As well as those bigger pieces,
we saw small pieces of foam
517
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,840
fall away all the time -
what we call "popcorning".
518
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,520
Think of popcorn. When popcorn pops,
it pops up and comes out,
519
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,000
and so that's what we called it -
"popcorning".
520
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,760
They weren't very big,
so you're not talking about
521
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,160
much damage to the tiles,
522
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,640
and so it had become
the norm at NASA.
523
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,080
This mantra, "It's only foam,
it's only foam."
524
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,280
"Hey, we see foam loss all the time
and it never did any damage
525
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,160
"to the vehicle and we don't have
to worry about it. It's only foam".
526
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:49,040
Two missions before Columbia,
it happened on STS-112 Atlantis.
527
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,040
A significant strike hit the skirt
of the solid rocket booster
528
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,040
and actually put a dent in it.
529
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,640
Prior to the launch of Columbia,
530
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,520
in a couple of the meetings,
the topic of foam
531
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,840
coming off 112 came up.
532
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,520
There's probably, erm...
533
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,040
..15 to 20 people around the table,
534
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,520
and then there's a lot of other
people at NASA in the room.
535
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,040
We talked about starting to
look into this a little bit more
536
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,440
because we've seen it come off on,
you know, more than one flight now.
537
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,040
It could certainly be an issue
and we should understand
538
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,040
if there's a way to prevent it.
539
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,480
Late October of 2002,
after STS-112 Atlantis,
540
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,040
I went to a meeting
about that flight.
541
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,040
I had put together a report
542
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,280
about the foam loss and the damage
to the solid rocket booster,
543
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,960
and I presented the case
that said...
544
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,120
..that amount of foam, that mass,
545
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,520
in one chunk,
coming off Shuttle Atlantis...
546
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,520
..this was the vehicle telling us
something is wrong,
547
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,440
here's your warning.
548
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:16,000
At risk of being insubordinate,
I said to the heads
549
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,000
of the Shuttle Programme
sitting around the centre table,
550
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,800
I was adamant at that meeting,
either fix the problem
551
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,520
or don't fly an external tank on the
next launch, which is impossible.
552
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,200
From that meeting, I never
heard any discussion of...
553
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,040
.."Let's wait and see if we can
solve some of this.
554
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,520
"Let's get a better understanding
of this before
555
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,600
"we schedule the next launch."
None of that I ever heard.
556
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,360
In other words, again,
they were thinking it was more
557
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,520
of a turnaround issue,
and so it wasn't preventing
558
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,440
shuttle flights from going forward.
559
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,520
The pressure on the management team
to stay on schedule
560
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,920
and the concept of "it's just foam"
561
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,760
is leading the charge
through all of this.
562
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,200
So it wasn't like they weren't
talking about issues at all,
563
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,760
but there certainly was
a big focus on the schedule.
564
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,440
Here's an email.
It's Tuesday, January 21st.
565
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,480
This was sent six days
into the Columbia mission.
566
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,840
This is a private exchange between
Linda Ham and Ron Dittemore,
567
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,760
two of the top managers
in the programme.
568
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,040
"The external tank rationale
for flight for the STS-112
569
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,280
"loss of foam was lousy.
570
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,280
"The rationale states
we haven't changed anything,
571
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,280
"we haven't experienced any safety
flight damage in 112 flights."
572
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,240
The concluding sentence, "Rationale
was lousy then and still is."
573
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:02,160
What I take that to mean is that
Linda Ham is raising a concern
574
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,080
but they appear to rely on the fact
that previous flights
575
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,360
which had suffered this foam loss
had returned safely.
576
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,720
In other words,
"We've gotten away with this."
577
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,280
This is a failure to learn
from past similar events,
578
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,200
simply because those flights did
not have catastrophic consequences.
579
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:27,280
The classic... The classic
normalisation of deviance.
580
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,760
You have to make sure
that every incident
581
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,000
is thoroughly investigated
and properly assessed.
582
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,920
And that wasn't done
for the 112 foam loss.
583
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,760
People were saying they were
willing to accept the risk.
584
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,000
What they didn't understand is
how much risk they were accepting.
585
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,280
After the 112 loss,
people were starting to say,
586
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,520
"Maybe we're accepting
too much risk."
587
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,760
Yeah, I was concerned, you know...
588
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,040
As I said, the, erm...
589
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,520
The sense that the risk was greater
than we should be expecting,
590
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,240
was starting to surface.
591
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:13,680
We were moving
in the right direction,
592
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,320
we just didn't get there in time.
593
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,040
We should have never launched
Columbia
594
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,720
until we fixed that problem.
595
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,360
Lisa Stark with ABC News.
596
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,280
When you realised that you had this
debris that had struck the shuttle
597
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,200
and you started your analysis,
what was the discussion about
598
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,680
trying to take a look either through
satellites or these large telescopes
599
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,760
that the military has? And why was
the decision made not to try that?
600
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,040
We certainly had that discussion.
601
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,840
We believed that taking a picture,
looking for tile damage,
602
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,760
it does not show us the depth of
tile that may have been shaved off.
603
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,280
We cannot make a determination
conclusively
604
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,680
whether that represents
a concern or not.
605
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,480
Linda, reading through the
transcripts, in hindsight,
606
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,280
were you sufficiently open
to the idea
607
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,160
that this was a really
serious problem?
608
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,520
You're asking in 20-20 hindsight
or what my thought was then?
609
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,560
Well, it sounds like you were
just kind of seeking reassurance
610
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,520
that everything was OK,
as opposed to digging in
611
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,760
and saying, "How do we know this?"
612
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,920
I didn't have a preconceived notion
on the damage or the possible
613
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,600
consequences and I needed to wait
for them to complete their work.
614
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,040
The best experts at our disposal
concluded
615
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,920
that it was a minor problem,
not a significant problem.
616
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,840
They had done the engineering
assessment and evaluated it.
617
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,920
They said the worst case on the RCC
would be coating damage,
618
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,520
which would not be
a flight safety issue.
619
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,040
And when you added all that up,
there was no need to take pictures
620
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,760
to document any evidence, because
we believed it to be superficial
621
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,840
and it to be a turnaround issue
and not a safety issue.
622
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,760
And so we didn't take any pictures.
623
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,360
Had we known that there was a
catastrophic situation on orbit,
624
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,040
we certainly would have done
everything we could... Absolutely
625
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,040
Did you know that other people
at NASA, other departments,
626
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,040
were also requesting images
during the mission?
627
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,040
I did not know at the time.
I did not know.
628
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,680
I...
629
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,040
I'm not aware of anybody else
during the mission saying that.
630
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,040
I only learned later
that there really were
631
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,040
people outside of our team that were
trying to do something about it.
632
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:52,040
I had no idea what was happening
because there was no communication.
633
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,560
I'm not in the loop,
I'm not in the know.
634
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,160
Nobody's talking to each other
and so nobody knows what's going on.
635
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,040
That's just kind of the way it was.
636
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,160
NASA is a series of fiefdoms.
637
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,360
Ten separate centres, each of them
have their own responsibilities.
638
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,840
But there isn't necessarily
a lot of exchange of knowledge
639
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,520
across those silos.
640
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,520
Frankly, the system is not designed
for good communication.
641
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,520
But that's not an excuse
642
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,280
because this foam problem
was not a new problem.
643
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,200
It was ignored right up until
an opportunity
644
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:41,520
to intervene presented itself,
and then that opportunity
645
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,280
to get a spy satellite
to take a look was dismissed.
646
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,520
This sort of stick to your guns
of...
647
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,040
..convincing yourself that it's OK.
648
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,040
That just made matters worse.
649
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,520
Why would you not
just get the pictures
650
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,280
that could show the damage
and then work the problem?
651
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,040
Erm...
652
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,880
I could only deal with the data
that was presented to me.
653
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,040
The whole situation was a case
of people doing...
654
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,640
..their jobs
as they understood them.
655
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,040
But I think everybody was operating
with good faith. There was no...
656
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,760
I wouldn't say malfeasance,
but negligence...
657
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,920
There may have been... I don't
even think there was negligence.
658
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,040
I just think that the actions
we took were inadequate
659
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,520
for the problem we were facing.
660
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,040
I think there was a mindset
and sort of a hope
661
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,760
that we've seen foam strikes before
662
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,760
and it's never caused
a safety flight issue,
663
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,200
so we're assuming
that's the case here.
664
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,360
But not a sure thing.
665
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:16,040
It seemed like by staying ignorant
of the degree of damage,
666
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,120
the mission management team
perhaps didn't want to know
667
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,680
about the worst-case scenario.
668
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,520
At this point, from our work
in the hangar,
669
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,680
I think we have enough information
to say
670
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:43,160
that we've found the physical cause
of the shuttle crash.
671
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,680
But there were still people at NASA
who didn't believe
672
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,560
that foam could break
reinforced carbon-carbon.
673
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,040
At that point, the only question
that was really left
674
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,520
to tie the whole chain of events
together was,
675
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,520
does foam break
reinforced carbon-carbon?
676
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,840
We're here at Southwest Research
Institute in San Antonio, Texas,
677
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,600
to conduct a test
designed to show whether foam
678
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,440
that fell off the external tank
of the Columbia Orbiter
679
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,040
could create a hole big enough
to destroy the vehicle.
680
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,920
How does NASA move forward
if we don't do the foam test?
681
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,600
We need to do this.
682
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,440
Everything came down to
whether or not the foam shot
683
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,400
was going to break an RCC panel.
684
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,080
But if our investigative analysis
is wrong,
685
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,240
then what?
686
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:52,320
Five, four, three, two, one.
687
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,760
Whoa!
688
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,200
OK, foam will break
reinforced carbon-carbon
689
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,520
I mean, there was no doubt at
that point, right? Case closed.
690
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,320
There's no denying it.
691
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,040
You know, there was foam falling
from day one.
692
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,400
They should have had
that test done day two.
693
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,040
This was a known failure.
694
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,440
But I think the failure
to imagine being wrong,
695
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,000
the failure to imagine
the consequences of failure
696
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,760
were catastrophic.
697
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:51,440
And I think it's this whole notion
of the failure to imagine failure.
698
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,160
NASA's trying to move forward
after Tuesday's blistering report,
699
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,520
blaming it for failing to prevent
the Shuttle Columbia tragedy.
700
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,400
NASA stands accused of complacency,
of a flawed safety culture,
701
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,760
of major management failures.
702
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,680
This stinging report, with its 29
recommendations, is not just about
703
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,800
technical failures,
but also about a human failure.
704
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,280
NASA had conflicting goals
of cost, schedule and safety.
705
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,280
It's our view that clearly
there is still evidence
706
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,280
of a silent safety programme
with echoes of Challenger.
707
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,280
They knew about the foam.
708
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,960
They could take pictures
and people chose not to.
709
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:41,640
Pure grief and sadness turned into
more of, like, anger and disgust.
710
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,680
NASA was something
that I was so proud of
711
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,760
because my dad loved it
712
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,520
and it felt almost like
they had betrayed him.
713
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,520
It kind of became this
inner struggle in me of...
714
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:03,520
..how can I hate this thing that,
like, my dad loved so much?
715
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,440
Why?
716
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,520
Why? Those are the questions
that you can't answer.
717
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,920
The only...the only reason...
718
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,280
..was because of the way they made
decisions within that culture.
719
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,760
If there was damage, could it
have been detected in space
720
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,760
and some rescue plan conceived?
We'll never know.
721
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,040
Astronauts learn of the foam hit.
722
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,080
They are sent this grainy video
and an email that dismisses
723
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,400
the foam hit as, quote,
"not even worth mentioning".
724
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,440
Knowing that concerns had been
downplayed to the crew,
725
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,120
I felt angry.
726
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,640
I mean, I just was extremely
disappointed.
727
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,760
I think that Rick would have
wanted to have known
728
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,680
that something was very wrong
with the vehicle.
729
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,160
One of the things that I thought
was such an indictment
730
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,520
was that the astronauts were
expected to successfully fly
731
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,920
this multimillion dollar mission
and were given that responsibility,
732
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,760
but they had no authority.
733
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,040
In terms of a hypothetical,
and I think other people
734
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,120
in senior levels that probably
felt the same way,
735
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,920
if we knew that the crew
wasn't going to survive,
736
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,440
why would we tell them?
Why wouldn't we let them
737
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,480
just carry out their mission
and feel like they were successful?
738
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,520
I regret that I didn't do more,
but given what we know now,
739
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,840
it's unlikely anything I could have
done would have made a difference.
740
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,360
I feel ashamed.
741
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,520
So, who's guilty? I'm not just going
to say the programme managers are.
742
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,280
We're all guilty.
743
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,920
If you don't speak up
for your own system
744
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,920
and you're the victims of this
environment, we're guilty, too.
745
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,840
Yes, there were individuals
who made very poor decisions.
746
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,520
You need to embrace
dissenting opinions,
747
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,520
and if somebody says, "Hey, let's
get better data to make a decision",
748
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,760
why is getting better data
a problem?
749
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,760
But, I mean, I was in mission
control, I was a NASA employee,
750
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,520
I knew about the foam strike.
751
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,800
When there's blame that's laid out,
I'm right up there saying, "I knew."
752
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,360
And... And I wish I could have
done something differently
753
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,360
but I...I can't undo that, and it...
754
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,960
You can just make it better
for those that follow.
755
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,440
I fought, but I share
some of the blame
756
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,840
that says maybe I could have
fought harder.
757
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,280
But the thing I can't get past is,
758
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,680
if we knew entry was going to
cause loss of the vehicle
759
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,880
and loss of the crew, there are
things we can do as human beings.
760
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,240
And that is, for the families, the
chance to be able to say goodbye.
761
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,120
That wasn't afforded to anyone.
762
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,360
And that's always haunted me.
763
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,840
Sorry.
764
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,680
During the mission,
I could have easily done a story
765
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,640
because I saw the foam come off.
766
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,680
While NASA is saying it's nothing,
some engineers believed
767
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,520
there might be some concern.
What if I had done that?
768
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,360
I was the one who could have, you
know, should have and could have
769
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,520
owned that story in a way
that potentially
770
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,880
even might have changed
the course of events.
771
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:59,480
I didn't stay on that story, in
order to go be the person explaining
772
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,440
all the clever ways we were
going to kill people in Iraq.
773
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,360
And maybe I was doing
what NASA was doing.
774
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,600
I was sweeping it all under the rug.
775
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,560
And so I'm part of the problem,
you know? I'm complicit.
776
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,760
If you could say anything to those
individuals, the managers,
777
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:33,760
the engineers, the top bosses at
NASA who made those decisions,
778
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,760
what would you say now?
779
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,320
Yeah, erm...
780
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,040
I never really thought about it,
but I guess I would want them
781
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,040
to know that I forgive them
782
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,760
and that my family forgives them.
783
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:54,520
And that I can't imagine
what they went through,
784
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,760
having to make those decisions.
785
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,680
Like, that breaks my heart
thinking about it.
786
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,120
Erm...
787
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,760
But just that I'm not angry
about it any more.
788
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,680
And it happened,
but I don't blame them.
789
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,120
I don't think that
they're bad people.
790
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:15,040
In the end, after I go down
that journey of what-if'ing
791
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,240
and if someone had done this,
if someone had not done that,
792
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:22,360
in the end, it all comes out
the same - that the crew perished,
793
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,280
that everyone died.
794
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,520
And so, for me,
I had to very, erm...
795
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:33,040
..purposely make a decision that
this was not going to be something
796
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,520
that was going to define me
for the rest of my life -
797
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,920
that I was going to be
on a mission to fix that
798
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,520
or on a mission to be angry about
that or make people pay for it.
799
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:46,240
I mean, none of that was a path
I wanted to go on at all.
800
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:50,040
And God has been very merciful
to help me with that,
801
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,440
just to be able
to keep moving forward.
802
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:59,040
You know, I just prayed and hoped
that NASA learned from this.
803
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,760
That the lessons that they learned
will carry on
804
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,280
to future space flights, so that
they won't forget that people
805
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,760
are on the end of
whatever they're doing,
806
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,080
that people's lives are stake.
807
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:16,920
Rick was an astronaut.
808
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,520
It was something that we always
called a calculated risk
809
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,040
but it was a risk that Rick
decided to take.
810
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,040
And I'm OK with that.
811
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,040
If she had listened to me, you know,
things would have been OK
812
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,440
and she wouldn't have been up there.
813
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,240
I had told her not to go.
814
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,760
I was angry that she chose
to take that risk...
815
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,920
..instead of staying with me.
816
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,560
Daddy, I'm here!
817
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,760
Hi.
818
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,760
Oh, my gosh.
819
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,520
It's crazy over here, right?
820
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,160
LAUREL LAUGHS
821
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,040
You need your sunglasses?
822
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,040
Try them on.
823
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,520
This is Laurel,
and she is my daughter.
824
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,040
She has a lot of my mom's spirit.
825
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,520
The same enthusiasm and positivity.
826
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,040
I imagine...
827
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,520
..it would be harder if...
828
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,680
..she wasn't such a great kid.
829
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,760
So I got pretty lucky there.
830
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,520
NASA has released video footage
taken inside the cockpit
831
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,520
of the Space Shuttle Columbia.
832
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,440
It was recorded in the final moments
before the shuttle broke up.
833
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,960
The last part of the tape
was burnt-up in the accident.
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