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Now conscience wakes despair that slumbered

wakes the bitter memory of what he was

what is and what must be worse

Mom.

Mom.

Mom.

Of worse deeds

worse sufferings must ensue.

Normal color sclera.

No jaundice, no petechiae, no facial stigmata or disease.

Intrathoracic hemorrhage seems inconsistent with

a low velocity of road traffic collision.

Might be looking for a natural cause.

Maybe a spontaneous rupture of an aortic aneurysm.

Normal nails.

No clubbing or other abnormality.

You feeling the cold there, sergeant?

It is rather cold, isn't it?

Not working hard enough.

God, it's freezing in here too, isn't it?

You're right the air-con's gone haywire.

Mean anything to you?

I think we need professional help.

Leo's the one who knows all about it.

He was here when it was installed.

There'll be a number in his office.

Where is Leo, anyway?

What you are saying, Dr. Karamides

is that this did not happen.

This child did not die in the way that a

variety of other medical specialists say he did.

I'm speaking about the over reliance

on the so called triad of brain injuries.

The triad proposes three physical symptoms

-retinal hemorrhage,

subdural hematoma, and acute encephalopathy,

which some pathologists believe

is proof positive of shaken-baby syndrome.

But you don't?

No, I don't.

And nor do a number of eminent pathologists.

Here we are Paul Bewley Heating and Ventilation.

He's in court today.

Request to attend a custody hearing

Are you meant to be reading that?

To give expert testimony on a

matter of neo-natal pathology.

I thought we agreed to stay away from the triad.

And even at this late hour, Dr. Karamides

I cannot get you to consent to the

majority view of all your peers.

My job is not to support the consensus.

It's to give you my professional opinion as a pathologist

who specializes in brain development.

I am not asking for consensus but clarity.

How can this court make up its mind

when its own expert witnesses dispute not just conclusions

but the evidence which underlies those conclusions?

We all decided after the Alice Copeland case

that we wouldn't do any more neonatal work.

Sorry, yeah, I just lost you a minute.

I'm in the basement.

Okay, follow the pipes that's what I'm doing.

Oh, yeah, I think I can see the unit.

It's a kind of gray box with knobs, is that right?

There is a lot of sort of vapor coming out of other pipes.

-It doesn't make any sense. -I don't know if that's good.

If he's in court giving expert testimony

-on a neonatal case. -How long?

Really.

Can you please just call me when you know

because we are dying of cold here.

Professor Dalton,

I understand that you are currently president

of the Institute of Pathologists?

I am, yes.

And you completely disagree

with the expert testimony presented by Dr. Karamides.

I do, yes.

My head's gone numb.

He's been reading up about the triad.

Oh, has he?

This is about Helen Karamides.

As you heard there is a theory that the pathology

of the brain could be caused by factors other than shaking.

But this particular theory which involves questions of

hypoxia, brain swelling, raised intracranial pressure,

is highly contentious and to my mind utterly unproven.

In short, you believe this baby was shaken.

Yes.

Quick would be good.

Yeah, okay thanks.

Plumber is calling his mate.

A plumber's mating call is being made help is on its way.

Why didn't Leo tell us he was doing this?

I should think because

he knows how you feel about Helen Karamides,

and I should think because he didn't want a row,

and I agree with him.

Waited with hellish rancor imminent

To intercept thy way

much failing hapless Eve

of thy presumed return

event perverse.

Thou never from that hour in paradise

foundest either sweet repast or sound repose.

Such ambush hid among sweet flowers and shades.

Waited with hellish rancor imminent

to intercept thy way or send thee back.

Despoiled of innocence, of faith, of bliss.

Mears.

Visitors' area.

Mears.

Here it is.

Here what is?

Leo's list.

One postmortem review on a six-month-old baby,

and the name of the first pathologist has been redacted.

I don't know anything about it.

We're marking someone else's homework and guess what.

Someone whose name is five letters followed by nine letters.

Helen Karamides.

You know why you're here, Annie?

All that matters,

the only thing that matters,

is those girls and their families.

Otherwise I don't come.

All I have are your visits.

Well, then.

I have listened to conflicting expert testimonies,

and I have to say that I find

that of Professor Dalton more convincing to say the least.

The arguments of Dr. Karamides though no doubt well meant

seem to me to be baseless and quite possibly misleading.

I have therefore decided with regret

to entrust this child to the care of the local authority.

Ever since Helen Karamides started challenging the triad,

they've been out to get her.

-Who have? -The establishment.

-The male establishment. -Come on.

-And Leo's part of it. -What?

Well, he's president of the

Institute of Pathologists, isn't he?

You can't get much more establishment than that.

Doesn't mean that he's part of a witch hunt.

-Doesn't it? -Does it?

Well, he's going up against her in court,

and he's agreed to check up on her

-postmortems. -I think

Leo knows what he's doing.

Yes, I'm sure he does.

James Reagan The Institute of Pathologists

we spoke on the phone.

How do you do?

Most impressive if I may say so.

Yeah, well thank you.

You gonna do what you promised me?

You got anything for me?

Memories.

I'm here alone with my memories.

So are the families of all those other girls.

Do memories affect you?

Of course memories affect me.

Like the angels.

They remember how they were in Heaven

and the Garden of Eden and they despair when they remember.

I'll give you memories

if you give me somewhere to go when I leave here.

All right, then.

Now.

Memories.

That's unfair I know Leo has to play the political game

a bit these days but he doesn't enjoy it.

He's never liked Helen for some reason.

He's never liked her ideas,

but he believes in her right to air them.

Oh, thank goodness.

-Hello. -Dr. Cunningham?

Yes, thanks for coming.

Hi, come in.

Let me show you I have to take you into

the bowels of the building I'm afraid.

Very, very cold everywhere as you can feel.

About 500 yards from the bus stop there's a fence.

Then there was a gate.

I went through the gate.

Down a slight hill.

Did you hear the cars?

Yes, of course.

And then.

And there was a little stream with a bridge.

Then I found it.

Why did we stop doing neonatal work?

Alice Copeland, wasn't it?

Because we sent an innocent woman to jail.

-We didn't do anything. -Well, not us.

But pathologists, the profession.

The experts arrive at the scene with their

detachment and objectivity and announce that she

shook her children to death and then she takes her own life.

If the courts had listened to Helen Karamides,

that would never have happened.

Thanks.

Body's that of a male infant.

The gastric mucosa shows evidence of widespread erosion

as was recognized by the previous pathologist.

Try breathing deeply they say counting to 100 helps.

I suppose one gets used to it.

Not when it's a baby.

Mom, where are you?

Let me know where you are.

Nikki.

Don't mind me.

Look, I'm afraid this is confidential.

We don't have anything to hide from each other.

-Do we? -No.

No, of course not.

So, Professor Dalton

you've completed the postmortem review?

I have, yes.

And what's your conclusion?

Was the first pathologist in error?

Mr. Reagan, I agreed to do a second postmortem

on an individual not on a pathologist.

Nonetheless, as a solicitor

I'd like your professional opinion.

Well, there are some inconsistencies between my findings

and those of the first pathologist, yes.

Such as?

The original postmortem found that

the subject died of hypothermia,

and yet there's no record of any

rectal temperature reading in the original report.

So, the first pathologist was wrong?

It's not as simple as that.

I haven't seen the results of any special investigations.

I haven't explored the context.

Context.

Context is everything, yes.

If you don't consider that, then

well, you tend to make mistakes.

So, if a child died of hypothermia,

then the temperature in the room is part of the context?

We would take that into consideration, yes.

And not considering it would be negligent.

There are other causes to hypothermia

besides being exposed to cold environments.

Who was the original pathologist out of interest?

As I said before, doctor--

Dr. Alexander.

Yes, as I said before Dr. Alexander

I'm afraid I'm really not at liberty--

I think you know who it is.

Helen Karamides has done more work on the infant brain

than almost anyone in this country.

Excuse me, could you tell me

what your particular interest is in this?

As it happens I trained under her for a couple of years.

And, of course, I have a very strong professional interest.

She doesn't deserve a witch-hunt.

Nikki, this is not a witch-hunt.

I was asked to do a postmortem review, which I have done

fairly and even handedly I hope.

And the rest is up to the Institute.

What's up to the Institute?

I'd love to talk about this all day,

but I have rather a lot to do.

Professor Dalton.

Dr. Alexander.

Are you saying she's facing

some kind of disciplinary procedure?

Why?

Because if Dr. Karamides is going to be

summoned before a tribunal,

then I want you to know that I will be more than happy

to speak on her behalf.

Look, do you know why I'm here?

No, why are you here?

Well, are you gonna tell her or shall I?

Tell me what?

Helen Karamides has been accused of

retaining tissue samples from dead infants.

Tissue samples?

Without their parents' permission.

And you can prove that?

Yes, we can.

Right.

That went well.

Now conscience wakes despair that slumbered

wakes the bitter memory of what he was,

what is, and what must be worse.

Of worse deeds worse sufferings must ensue.

Excuse me.

What are you doing?

Got to trace the pipe-work.

Well, have you found anything?

No.

No, so you shouldn't be in here so please get out.

All right.

All right, no need to make a fuss.

That was quite a scene earlier.

What do you mean?

The way you handled that guy I loved that.

Great.

So, you cut people up in here then?

Yes.

And people watch from up here?

Yes.

So, you know all about dead bodies?

Yes, that's my job.

Thou never from that hour in Paradise,

foundest either sweet repast or sound repose.

Such ambush hid among sweet flowers and shades

waited with hellish rancor imminent

To intercept thy way or send thee back

despoiled of innocence, of faith, of bliss.

Mom.

Mom.

What's your name?

Annie Farmer.

Annie.

I knew an Annie.

You from around here?

Yeah.

From round here, yeah.

I thought we might have seen each other.

No, we don't know each other.

It was the back feed loop.

I told you it was the back feed loop.

Back feed loop apparently.

Nikki and I went out for a drink last night.

Can't imagine what you talked about.

One or two things did come up.

Why did you go to court yesterday

if you don't mind my asking?

How do you mean?

Well, we'd agreed I thought as you know,

after the Alice Copeland thing.

What, to do no more neonatal cases?

-Yeah. -Yes, I know, but

I think in retrospect we made a mistake.

Okay.

I think we should take each case as it comes.

We can't fall back on a

hasty decision that we made 18 months ago.

The Alice Copeland case was a tragedy of course it was.

But this is a completely different case.

Right.

I was asked to look at the evidence and I did,

and I disagreed with Dr. Karamides' interpretation

so I took to the stand and I said as much.

-Yes, but -I know how you felt.

And I sympathize with you I really do.

But there is no conspiracy.

We just have to make some hard calls.

We can't say this is too controversial.

We can't get involved in this.

We have to get involved because that's our job

even when it's--

-Scary. -Even when it's scary.

I was going to tell you about going to court.

Okay, forget that.

But you should have told me about

the tissue samples she apparently stole.

There is a legal process.

It has to be followed in all these cases.

I wasn't allowed to.

You know retaining those tissue samples

doesn't make her a bad pathologist.

No, but it calls her judgment into question.

Don't you think?

Well.

Is this from you?

Where did you get it?

I can't talk to you here.

This is a human bone where did you get this?

Will you talk to me away from here?

No, absolutely not.

Leo.

It'll have to wait I'm sorry.

This has got to be just between the two of us.

What time do you finish I'll wait.

I asked you where you got this from.

I brought it 'cause I wanted to talk to you.

Please.

It's not about me.

It's my mom.

You're the only one who can help us.

I was afraid you weren't gonna come.

Okay, that bone you gave me it's a proximal phalanx.

That's a bone in your finger.

I'm run some more tests on it

and then I'm gonna take it to the police.

-No. -It could be

evidence of a crime.

You can't tell the police.

I don't have a choice.

You don't have a choice.

I wish I'd never given it to you.

-Look just give it back. -I can't do that.

They'll put my mom in jail.

Why?

Because she collects them.

What there are more of them?

Yeah, dozens of them.

Well, where are they?

I'm not gonna tell you where.

Can you take me to them?

Just you, yeah?

-Helen. -Hello, Leo.

How did you get in here?

I lied.

I said we were colleagues.

We still are I hope.

Not for much longer I suspect.

I can't discuss disciplinary procedures as you know.

Yes, I know.

Helen, you are a first-class pathologist.

You've done valuable work.

But the judicial system depends on us

for a consistent judgment.

We can't debate our differences of opinion in open court.

We have to speak with one voice.

Even if it means ignoring inconvenient truths.

According to you.

And destroying my career.

I disagree with your theory so do most of your peers.

I brought you something.

Don't worry it's not a parcel bomb.

It's some research I'd like your opinion on it.

I've already reviewed your work on the triad.

This is different.

I don't think it's a good idea.

I need your help, Leo.

We've had our differences,

but you're a half-decent pathologist

and I know you're strong.

I know you'll do what's right.

Mom.

Mom.

Where did these come from?

I don't know.

All over.

It came from Arnold Mears.

I thought he was in prison.

He is.

She goes to him and he gives them to her

or he tells her where to find them.

-I don't know. -It's sick.

But why?

So, these bones belong to?

You tell me.

You take them away with you.

Do your tests or whatever.

Just get them out this house.

Okay, but the police definitely will want to interview you

-and your mother. -What are you doing?

Who's she?

My name's Nikki Alexander.

-She's a friend, mom. -I'm a pathologist.

Why did you bring her here?

Get out, out.

Look, mom, she can help us.

No, one can help you're just making things worse.

I've seen the bones now, Mrs. Farmer.

Throwing me out won't do any good.

Is it true that Arnold Mears has given them to you?

Why haven't you told anybody?

Because he said I shouldn't.

You do know that they're human bones?

Course.

I just wanted to help.

Help who?

The families.

The families of those poor girls.

You do understand what you're charged with?

You're in a lot of trouble, Arnold.

Do you understand that?

You look kind.

I like you.

Somebody decided he was vulnerable.

They said he needed help in the

interviews with the detectives.

An appropriate adult it's called.

I'd done a course to try and get a bit more money

so one day I got a call.

He was my first one and my last.

What we want to know, Arnold, about this body

is why you sawed the head and arms off that poor girl.

No comment.

No comment.

A girl of 17 is found dismembered under your workshop

and you can't tell us what you did.

Arnold.

Arnold, pay attention to me.

I need a break.

Arnold, you've had a break.

I'm starting a headache.

They can't talk to me if my appropriate adult isn't with me.

It's like we were a couple.

They hand in hand with wandering steps and slow

through Eden took their solitaire way.

What is that?

That's Paradise Lost

the greatest poem in the English language.

Thanks, Annie.

He really loved that poem.

Read it all the way through the trial

didn't listen to anything anybody said.

But after the trial I don't understand.

Surely you didn't have to see him then.

The day after he was sentenced he asked if we could meet.

One last time just to say goodbye.

And you went.

Well, I didn't want to.

But he said he wanted to repair the damage he'd done.

Wanted me to help him make things better.

He said there were more bodies

than the three he'd been tried for.

How many more?

Nine.

Nine other girls that no one knew anything about

and he wanted to tell me where they were.

He was gonna tell me where they were buried.

Not straight away.

He said he had to test me.

See if he could trust me.

He was gonna give me souvenirs he called them

little bones

that he got from the other girls he buried separately.

It's the moms and dads that's who I'm thinking about

wondering where their little one's buried.

What are you suggesting?

These families are in pain.

And you can help.

Why me?

Because you're an angel.

That's how it started.

And you never told the police?

Tried to get her to.

Did he ever tell you where the bodies of the girls were?

No, never.

Never told her anything.

You made me a promise.

You promised me you'd tell me where those girls are.

A solemn promise.

I am keeping my promise, Angel Annie.

No.

No, you're not you've given me nothing.

-I can't do this any more. -I'm not strong enough.

So, just tell the police instead.

No. I'm not talking to them.

It has to be you.

If the police get involved,

those families will stay in hell forever.

He said I had to wait.

Said I mustn't tell.

And now I have.

If you'll let me take the bones--

-No, no. -Mom.

I can test them and maybe find out whose they are.

You can give the families some peace

even if we don't locate where the bodies are buried.

And what if he finds out?

Arnold Mears need never know.

Really?

I think so.

Then you wouldn't have to keep going to see him.

Farewell happy fields where joy forever dwells.

Hail, horrors.

Hail, infernal world

and thou profoundest hell receive thy new possessor.

Be this or aught then this more secret now designed

I haste to know and this once known shall soon return

and bring thee to the place where thou

and death shall dwell at ease.

Very good, Arnold.

And bring ye to the place where thou

and death shall dwell at ease.

You take such an interest in me, doctor.

Is that professional or personal?

Of course, I forget.

You're intimate with all your patients.

Did you feel anything?

When.

When.

With the women.

You mean when I cut them?

Yes.

Did I feel anything?

Do you?

Hail, horrors.

Hail, infernal world.

And thou profoundest hell receive thy new possessor

one who brings a mind not to be changed by place or time.

The mind is its own place,

and in itself can make a Heaven of Hell

a hell of Heaven.

Mears told Annie that he's killed 12 girls altogether.

And you believe him?

I don't know but it's worth finding out more, isn't it?

But if you won't help,

he will destroy my mom.

She came to see me last night.

And bring ye to the place where thou and Death

shall dwell at ease.

Paradise Lost.

She was very interested in Arnold Mears.

She interviewed him for 40 hours.

Do you think you remember her?

You didn't tell him about Tina, did you?

We were just glad to put him away and forget about him.

And I suggest you do the same.

This is a scan of Arnold Mears' brain.

Wow, look at that.

Scarring.

You're not answering my calls, Annie.

Are you bored of me?

Some women probably do find you interesting.

Exciting.

Do you?

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