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Now conscience wakes
despair that slumbered

wakes the bitter
memory of what he was

what is and what must be worse

Mom.

Mom.

Mom.

Of worse deeds

worse sufferings must ensue.

Normal color sclera.

No jaundice, no petechiae, no
facial stigmata or disease.

Intrathoracic hemorrhage
seems inconsistent with

a low velocity of road
traffic collision.

Might be looking
for a natural cause.

Maybe a spontaneous rupture
of an aortic aneurysm.

Normal nails.

No clubbing or
other abnormality.

You feeling the cold
there, sergeant?

It is rather cold, isn't it?

Not working hard enough.

God, it's freezing in
here too, isn't it?

You're right the
air-con's gone haywire.

Mean anything to you?

I think we need
professional help.

Leo's the one who
knows all about it.

He was here when
it was installed.

There'll be a number
in his office.

Where is Leo, anyway?

What you are saying,
Dr. Karamides

is that this did not happen.

This child did not
die in the way that a

variety of other medical
specialists say he did.

I'm speaking about
the over reliance

on the so called triad
of brain injuries.

The triad proposes
three physical symptoms

-retinal hemorrhage,

subdural hematoma, and
acute encephalopathy,

which some pathologists believe

is proof positive of
shaken-baby syndrome.

But you don't?

No, I don't.

And nor do a number of
eminent pathologists.

Here we are Paul Bewley
Heating and Ventilation.

He's in court today.

Request to attend
a custody hearing

Are you meant to
be reading that?

To give expert testimony on a

matter of neo-natal pathology.

I thought we agreed to
stay away from the triad.

And even at this
late hour, Dr. Karamides

I cannot get you
to consent to the

majority view of all your peers.

My job is not to
support the consensus.

It's to give you my professional
opinion as a pathologist

who specializes in
brain development.

I am not asking for
consensus but clarity.

How can this court
make up its mind

when its own expert witnesses
dispute not just conclusions

but the evidence which
underlies those conclusions?

We all decided after
the Alice Copeland case

that we wouldn't do
any more neonatal work.

Sorry, yeah, I just
lost you a minute.

I'm in the basement.

Okay, follow the pipes
that's what I'm doing.

Oh, yeah, I think
I can see the unit.

It's a kind of gray box
with knobs, is that right?

There is a lot of sort of vapor
coming out of other pipes.

-It doesn't make any sense.
-I don't know if that's good.

If he's in court
giving expert testimony

-on a neonatal case.
-How long?

Really.

Can you please just
call me when you know

because we are
dying of cold here.

Professor Dalton,

I understand that you
are currently president

of the Institute
of Pathologists?

I am, yes.

And you completely disagree

with the expert testimony
presented by Dr. Karamides.

I do, yes.

My head's gone numb.

He's been reading
up about the triad.

Oh, has he?

This is about Helen Karamides.

As you heard there is a
theory that the pathology

of the brain could be caused
by factors other than shaking.

But this particular theory
which involves questions of

hypoxia, brain swelling,
raised intracranial pressure,

is highly contentious and
to my mind utterly unproven.

In short, you believe
this baby was shaken.

Yes.

Quick would be good.

Yeah, okay thanks.

Plumber is calling his mate.

A plumber's mating call is
being made help is on its way.

Why didn't Leo tell
us he was doing this?

I should think because

he knows how you feel
about Helen Karamides,

and I should think because
he didn't want a row,

and I agree with him.

Waited with
hellish rancor imminent

To intercept thy way

much failing hapless Eve

of thy presumed return

event perverse.

Thou never from that
hour in paradise

foundest either sweet
repast or sound repose.

Such ambush hid among
sweet flowers and shades.

Waited with hellish
rancor imminent

to intercept thy way
or send thee back.

Despoiled of innocence,
of faith, of bliss.

Mears.

Visitors' area.

Mears.

Here it is.

Here what is?

Leo's list.

One postmortem review
on a six-month-old baby,

and the name of the first
pathologist has been redacted.

I don't know anything about it.

We're marking someone else's
homework and guess what.

Someone whose name is
five letters followed
by nine letters.

Helen Karamides.

You know why you're here, Annie?

All that matters,

the only thing that matters,

is those girls and
their families.

Otherwise I don't come.

All I have are your visits.

Well, then.

I have listened to conflicting
expert testimonies,

and I have to say that I find

that of Professor Dalton more
convincing to say the least.

The arguments of Dr. Karamides
though no doubt well meant

seem to me to be baseless and
quite possibly misleading.

I have therefore
decided with regret

to entrust this child to the
care of the local authority.

Ever since Helen Karamides
started challenging the triad,

they've been out to get her.

-Who have?
-The establishment.

-The male establishment.
-Come on.

-And Leo's part of it.
-What?

Well, he's president of the

Institute of
Pathologists, isn't he?

You can't get much more
establishment than that.

Doesn't mean that he's
part of a witch hunt.

-Doesn't it?
-Does it?

Well, he's going up
against her in court,

and he's agreed
to check up on her

-postmortems.
-I think

Leo knows what he's doing.

Yes, I'm sure he does.

James Reagan The
Institute of Pathologists

we spoke on the phone.

How do you do?

Most impressive if I may say so.

Yeah, well thank you.

You gonna do what
you promised me?

You got anything for me?

Memories.

I'm here alone with my memories.

So are the families of
all those other girls.

Do memories affect you?

Of course memories affect me.

Like the angels.

They remember how
they were in Heaven

and the Garden of Eden and they
despair when they remember.

I'll give you memories

if you give me somewhere
to go when I leave here.

All right, then.

Now.

Memories.

That's unfair I know Leo has
to play the political game

a bit these days but
he doesn't enjoy it.

He's never liked
Helen for some reason.

He's never liked her ideas,

but he believes in
her right to air them.

Oh, thank goodness.

-Hello.
-Dr. Cunningham?

Yes, thanks for coming.

Hi, come in.

Let me show you I
have to take you into

the bowels of the
building I'm afraid.

Very, very cold everywhere
as you can feel.

About 500 yards from the
bus stop there's a fence.

Then there was a gate.

I went through the gate.

Down a slight hill.

Did you hear the cars?

Yes, of course.

And then.

And there was a little
stream with a bridge.

Then I found it.

Why did we stop
doing neonatal work?

Alice Copeland, wasn't it?

Because we sent an
innocent woman to jail.

-We didn't do anything.
-Well, not us.

But pathologists,
the profession.

The experts arrive at
the scene with their

detachment and objectivity
and announce that she

shook her children to death and
then she takes her own life.

If the courts had listened
to Helen Karamides,

that would never have happened.

Thanks.

Body's that of a male infant.

The gastric mucosa shows
evidence of widespread erosion

as was recognized by the
previous pathologist.

Try breathing deeply they
say counting to 100 helps.

I suppose one gets used to it.

Not when it's a baby.

Mom, where are you?

Let me know where you are.

Nikki.

Don't mind me.

Look, I'm afraid
this is confidential.

We don't have anything
to hide from each other.

-Do we?
-No.

No, of course not.

So, Professor Dalton

you've completed the
postmortem review?

I have, yes.

And what's your conclusion?

Was the first
pathologist in error?

Mr. Reagan, I agreed to
do a second postmortem

on an individual not
on a pathologist.

Nonetheless, as a solicitor

I'd like your
professional opinion.

Well, there are
some inconsistencies
between my findings

and those of the first
pathologist, yes.

Such as?

The original
postmortem found that

the subject died of hypothermia,

and yet there's no record of any

rectal temperature reading
in the original report.

So, the first
pathologist was wrong?

It's not as simple as that.

I haven't seen the results of
any special investigations.

I haven't explored the context.

Context.

Context is everything, yes.

If you don't consider that, then

well, you tend to make mistakes.

So, if a child died
of hypothermia,

then the temperature in the
room is part of the context?

We would take that into
consideration, yes.

And not considering
it would be negligent.

There are other
causes to hypothermia

besides being exposed
to cold environments.

Who was the original
pathologist out of interest?

As I said before, doctor--

Dr. Alexander.

Yes, as I said
before Dr. Alexander

I'm afraid I'm really
not at liberty--

I think you know who it is.

Helen Karamides has done
more work on the infant brain

than almost anyone
in this country.

Excuse me, could you tell me

what your particular
interest is in this?

As it happens I trained under
her for a couple of years.

And, of course, I have a very
strong professional interest.

She doesn't deserve
a witch-hunt.

Nikki, this is not a witch-hunt.

I was asked to do a postmortem
review, which I have done

fairly and even handedly I hope.

And the rest is up
to the Institute.

What's up to the Institute?

I'd love to talk
about this all day,

but I have rather a lot to do.

Professor Dalton.

Dr. Alexander.

Are you saying she's facing

some kind of
disciplinary procedure?

Why?

Because if Dr.
Karamides is going to be

summoned before a tribunal,

then I want you to know that
I will be more than happy

to speak on her behalf.

Look, do you know why I'm here?

No, why are you here?

Well, are you
gonna tell her or shall I?

Tell me what?

Helen Karamides
has been accused of

retaining tissue samples
from dead infants.

Tissue samples?

Without their
parents' permission.

And you can prove that?

Yes, we can.

Right.

That went well.

Now conscience wakes
despair that slumbered

wakes the bitter
memory of what he was,

what is, and what must be worse.

Of worse deeds worse
sufferings must ensue.

Excuse me.

What are you doing?

Got to trace the pipe-work.

Well, have you found anything?

No.

No, so you shouldn't be
in here so please get out.

All right.

All right, no need
to make a fuss.

That was quite a scene earlier.

What do you mean?

The way you handled
that guy I loved that.

Great.

So, you cut people
up in here then?

Yes.

And people watch from up here?

Yes.

So, you know all
about dead bodies?

Yes, that's my job.

Thou never from that
hour in Paradise,

foundest either sweet
repast or sound repose.

Such ambush hid among
sweet flowers and shades

waited with hellish
rancor imminent

To intercept thy way
or send thee back

despoiled of innocence,
of faith, of bliss.

Mom.

Mom.

What's your name?

Annie Farmer.

Annie.

I knew an Annie.

You from around here?

Yeah.

From round here, yeah.

I thought we might
have seen each other.

No, we don't know each other.

It was the back feed loop.

I told you it was
the back feed loop.

Back feed loop apparently.

Nikki and I went out
for a drink last night.

Can't imagine what
you talked about.

One or two things did come up.

Why did you go to
court yesterday

if you don't mind my asking?

How do you mean?

Well, we'd agreed
I thought as you know,

after the Alice Copeland thing.

What, to do no
more neonatal cases?

-Yeah.
-Yes, I know, but

I think in retrospect
we made a mistake.

Okay.

I think we should take
each case as it comes.

We can't fall back on a

hasty decision that
we made 18 months ago.

The Alice Copeland case was
a tragedy of course it was.

But this is a completely
different case.

Right.

I was asked to look at
the evidence and I did,

and I disagreed with Dr.
Karamides' interpretation

so I took to the stand
and I said as much.

-Yes, but
-I know how you felt.

And I sympathize
with you I really do.

But there is no conspiracy.

We just have to make
some hard calls.

We can't say this is
too controversial.

We can't get involved in this.

We have to get involved
because that's our job

even when it's--

-Scary.
-Even when it's scary.

I was going to tell you
about going to court.

Okay, forget that.

But you should
have told me about

the tissue samples
she apparently stole.

There is a legal process.

It has to be followed
in all these cases.

I wasn't allowed to.

You know retaining
those tissue samples

doesn't make her
a bad pathologist.

No, but it calls her
judgment into question.

Don't you think?

Well.

Is this from you?

Where did you get it?

I can't talk to you here.

This is a human bone
where did you get this?

Will you talk to
me away from here?

No, absolutely not.

Leo.

It'll have to wait I'm sorry.

This has got to be just
between the two of us.

What time do you
finish I'll wait.

I asked you where
you got this from.

I brought it 'cause I
wanted to talk to you.

Please.

It's not about me.

It's my mom.

You're the only one
who can help us.

I was afraid you
weren't gonna come.

Okay, that bone you gave
me it's a proximal phalanx.

That's a bone in your finger.

I'm run some more tests on it

and then I'm gonna
take it to the police.

-No.
-It could be

evidence of a crime.

You can't tell the police.

I don't have a choice.

You don't have a choice.

I wish I'd never
given it to you.

-Look just give it back.
-I can't do that.

They'll put my mom in jail.

Why?

Because she collects them.

What there are more of them?

Yeah, dozens of them.

Well, where are they?

I'm not gonna tell you where.

Can you take me to them?

Just you, yeah?

-Helen.
-Hello, Leo.

How did you get in here?

I lied.

I said we were colleagues.

We still are I hope.

Not for much longer I suspect.

I can't discuss disciplinary
procedures as you know.

Yes, I know.

Helen, you are a
first-class pathologist.

You've done valuable work.

But the judicial
system depends on us

for a consistent judgment.

We can't debate our differences
of opinion in open court.

We have to speak with one voice.

Even if it means ignoring
inconvenient truths.

According to you.

And destroying my career.

I disagree with your theory
so do most of your peers.

I brought you something.

Don't worry it's
not a parcel bomb.

It's some research I'd
like your opinion on it.

I've already reviewed
your work on the triad.

This is different.

I don't think it's a good idea.

I need your help, Leo.

We've had our differences,

but you're a
half-decent pathologist

and I know you're strong.

I know you'll do what's right.

Mom.

Mom.

Where did these come from?

I don't know.

All over.

It came from Arnold Mears.

I thought he was in prison.

He is.

She goes to him and
he gives them to her

or he tells her
where to find them.

-I don't know.
-It's sick.

But why?

So, these bones belong to?

You tell me.

You take them away with you.

Do your tests or whatever.

Just get them out this house.

Okay, but the police definitely
will want to interview you

-and your mother.
-What are you doing?

Who's she?

My name's Nikki Alexander.

-She's a friend, mom.
-I'm a pathologist.

Why did you bring her here?

Get out, out.

Look, mom, she can help us.

No, one can help you're
just making things worse.

I've seen the bones
now, Mrs. Farmer.

Throwing me out
won't do any good.

Is it true that Arnold
Mears has given them to you?

Why haven't you told anybody?

Because he said I shouldn't.

You do know that
they're human bones?

Course.

I just wanted to help.

Help who?

The families.

The families of
those poor girls.

You do understand what
you're charged with?

You're in a lot of
trouble, Arnold.

Do you understand that?

You look kind.

I like you.

Somebody decided
he was vulnerable.

They said he needed help in the

interviews with the detectives.

An appropriate
adult it's called.

I'd done a course to try
and get a bit more money

so one day I got a call.

He was my first one and my last.

What we want to know,
Arnold, about this body

is why you sawed the head
and arms off that poor girl.

No comment.

No comment.

A girl of 17 is found
dismembered under your workshop

and you can't tell
us what you did.

Arnold.

Arnold, pay attention to me.

I need a break.

Arnold,
you've had a break.

I'm starting a headache.

They can't talk to me if my
appropriate adult isn't with me.

It's like we were a couple.

They hand in hand with
wandering steps and slow

through Eden took
their solitaire way.

What is that?

That's Paradise Lost

the greatest poem in
the English language.

Thanks, Annie.

He really loved that poem.

Read it all the way
through the trial

didn't listen to
anything anybody said.

But after the trial
I don't understand.

Surely you didn't
have to see him then.

The day after he was sentenced
he asked if we could meet.

One last time just
to say goodbye.

And you went.

Well, I didn't want to.

But he said he wanted to
repair the damage he'd done.

Wanted me to help him
make things better.

He said there were more bodies

than the three he'd
been tried for.

How many more?

Nine.

Nine other girls that no
one knew anything about

and he wanted to tell
me where they were.

He was gonna tell me
where they were buried.

Not straight away.

He said he had to test me.

See if he could trust me.

He was gonna give me
souvenirs he called them

little bones

that he got from the other
girls he buried separately.

It's the moms and dads
that's who I'm thinking about

wondering where their
little one's buried.

What are you suggesting?

These families are in pain.

And you can help.

Why me?

Because you're an angel.

That's how it started.

And you never told the police?

Tried to get her to.

Did he ever tell you where
the bodies of the girls were?

No, never.

Never told her anything.

You made me a promise.

You promised me you'd tell
me where those girls are.

A solemn promise.

I am keeping my
promise, Angel Annie.

No.

No, you're not you've
given me nothing.

-I can't do this any more.
-I'm not strong enough.

So, just tell the
police instead.

No. I'm not talking to them.

It has to be you.

If the police get involved,

those families will
stay in hell forever.

He said I had to wait.

Said I mustn't tell.

And now I have.

If you'll let me
take the bones--

-No, no.
-Mom.

I can test them and maybe
find out whose they are.

You can give the
families some peace

even if we don't locate
where the bodies are buried.

And what if he finds out?

Arnold Mears need never know.

Really?

I think so.

Then you wouldn't have
to keep going to see him.

Farewell happy fields
where joy forever dwells.

Hail, horrors.

Hail, infernal world

and thou profoundest hell
receive thy new possessor.

Be this or aught then this
more secret now designed

I haste to know and this
once known shall soon return

and bring thee to
the place where thou

and death shall dwell at ease.

Very good, Arnold.

And bring ye to the
place where thou

and death shall dwell at ease.

You take such an
interest in me, doctor.

Is that professional
or personal?

Of course, I forget.

You're intimate with
all your patients.

Did you feel anything?

When.

When.

With the women.

You mean when I cut them?

Yes.

Did I feel anything?

Do you?

Hail, horrors.

Hail, infernal world.

And thou profoundest hell
receive thy new possessor

one who brings a mind not to
be changed by place or time.

The mind is its own place,

and in itself can
make a Heaven of Hell

a hell of Heaven.

Mears told Annie that he's
killed 12 girls altogether.

And you believe him?

I don't know but it's worth
finding out more, isn't it?

But if you won't help,

he will destroy my mom.

She came to see me last night.

And bring ye to the place
where thou and Death

shall dwell at ease.

Paradise Lost.

She was very interested
in Arnold Mears.

She interviewed
him for 40 hours.

Do you think you remember her?

You didn't tell him
about Tina, did you?

We were just glad to put him
away and forget about him.

And I suggest you do the same.

This is a scan of
Arnold Mears' brain.

Wow, look at that.

Scarring.

You're not answering
my calls, Annie.

Are you bored of me?

Some women probably do
find you interesting.

Exciting.

Do you?