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[narrator] This week
on Crimefeed,
Hollywood bombshell.
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A successful producer,
son of a Hollywood
power player,
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suspected of murder.
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The story is developing.
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And the Long Island
serial killer case.
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The suspect is in jail,
but are there more victims?
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And what went wrong that let
the killings continue?
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And murder for hire,
a Microsoft executive
gunned down.
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The prime suspect, the ex-wife
and her new husband.
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It's now a death penalty case.
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This week on Crimefeed
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with Nancy Grace,
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investigative journalist
Mara S. Campo,
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and private investigator
Derrick Levasseur.
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What exactly does a famous
Hollywood producer have
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to do with a woman's torso
found in a dumpster?
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Well, according
to police, a lot.
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I'm Nancy Grace.
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Thanks for being with us here
on Crimefeed,
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the so-called "Nepo Baby,"
Sam Haskell IV.
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was arrested on
suspicion of murder.
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He's the son of a high-powered
Hollywood agent
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who repped the likes of
George Clooney, Dolly Parton,
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even England's Prince Edward.
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His mother,
a former Mississippi
beauty pageant queen.
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Police race to
the scene 6:00 a.m.
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Wednesday, November 8.
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A homeless man finds
a dismembered female torso
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in a dumpster
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just five short miles from
Haskell's home in upscale
L.A. suburbs.
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Now, we know the wife
and both in-laws of
the Hollywood director
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Sam Haskell IV, age 35,
are all missing.
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The arrest comes 37 days
since Haskell's wife May
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or her parents have been seen.
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The torso does not bode well.
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Grainy surveillance
video shows a man
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driving a white SUV struggling
to fling a black bag
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from the trunk of the car
in that dumpster.
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While the torso
has not been officially
identified,
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Sam Haskell IV, apparently
obsessed with Brad Pitt,
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according to TikToks
he's posting.
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Haskell himself reportedly
working with rappers
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like Tyga, Machine Gun Kelly,
but try as he might,
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he never reaches
his father's fame.
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Mara, what happened?
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Well, Nancy, the suspect's
father, Sam Haskell III,
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has been a major player
in Hollywood for decades.
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Sam Haskell, the father,
joined the famous
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William Morris Endeavor Agency
in 1978.
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He represented stars
like George Clooney,
Dolly Parton,
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Whoopi Goldberg,
and even King Charles'
brother, Prince Edward.
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Haskell is now the head
of Magnolia Hill Productions,
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which has produced several
Dolly Parton specials,
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and he specializes in
family-friendly TV.
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From 2015 to 2017,
he was CEO of
the Miss America organization,
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until he resigned over
an email controversy.
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Now, Haskell's mother is also
famous in her own right.
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Mary Donnelly Haskell became
Miss Mississippi in 1977.
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With this high profile family,
there will be a lot of people
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wanting to know every detail
as they develop.
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You know, it's amazing.
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You know, this guy,
Sam Haskell IV,
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had it all, okay?
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He's got this
beautiful wife, May.
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He lives in a six-bedroom,
nearly $3 million compound
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in Tarzana.
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He... with a pool
in the backyard.
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Have you seen this place?
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But yet, and I quote, he posts
all these TikToks.
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My resume says unhappy,
bitter, resentful.
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I'm really surprised May
didn't run from him
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as if she had seen a monster.
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Who wants the guy that says
I'm unhappy, bitter,
and resentful?
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Well, anyway, we're approached
by him to get rid of some...
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-That's right.
-...bags.
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He told them they were rocks.
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They look inside,
they're body parts.
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Then he changes his story
and says, oh,
they're Hollywood props.
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They go to two police
stations, Derrick,
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two, two, one, two,
and are turned away.
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They're trying to report
a dead body and no one
will listen.
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Yeah, and there's another
video that's recently surfaced
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where it actually shows
that interaction with
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those laborers, where
they show up and he says, like
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you said, hey, I got some
rocks I want to have removed.
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It's three large bags.
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They take the bag. They said
it feels like meat inside.
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-So they drive down the road.
-You're so descriptive.
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Thank you for that.
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-I have that in my head.
-That's their words.
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They drive down the road.
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They felt like something
was off. They open the bag.
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They actually say they see
a belly button.
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So they pack it back up.
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They take the bags
back to the house.
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They bring the money.
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They return the money as well,
which is why this video
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that we're seeing on
the screen right now
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is so interesting because
I believe it was a deviation
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from what Sam originally
wanted to do.
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He wanted to separate himself
from the crime.
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He was going to,
allegedly, right?
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He was going to have
the laborers dispose of
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-the evidence, but instead...
-Hold on.
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I gotta see that again.
Wait, I like to see it
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-when you're saying it.
-Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah, that wasn't the plan
I think when they return,
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-Yeah.
-the bags, he realized,
"Oh, crap.
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I have to do something here."
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I have to get rid of it.
So that's why
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-he's on camera...
-There it is, there it is.
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And he gets out.
Watch this.
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And he basically is heaving...
Struggling to get it out.
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He went all the way,
he put the dead body.
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Allegedly in a plastic bag,
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which I love because
it's covered in fingerprints
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and then put that in it.
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Uh-oh. Whoa.
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Little harder, little harder.
There you go.
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Push, push, push in
a duffel bag and then
throws it away.
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[Mara] Yeah, and the story
of how this came
to police's attention
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is really remarkable.
Like you noted the,
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the laborers said...
you said it,
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they said it felt like
meat inside.
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They described it
as feeling soggy.
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So it didn't jibe with what
he was telling them
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that there were rocks inside.
Then, Nancy, to your point,
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they go to the police.
They get turned away.
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You left out the Hollywood
prop part.
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-Well, they take the bag...
-They go back to him.
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Look in here.
These are not rocks.
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And he says, no, no, no.
This is for Halloween.
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These are props for Halloween.
Well, they know something
ain't right.
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They go to the police.
They try to report it.
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Then the police say,
well, you can stand outside
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the police station
and call 9-1-1.
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And in fact, in audio that
has been obtained,
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you hear a 9-1-1 dispatcher
reporting what they're saying,
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but saying the person
reporting it is outside
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the police station.
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So then police respond
to the home based on
these reports,
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and they find nothing.
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Because at that time,
he's moved the bags.
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So they don't have cause
to go in the house.
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[Nancy] Okay, right there,
I got a problem.
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And this is my legal problem
with that.
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You don't have
to see the crime.
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If you have information that
an emergency is happening,
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such as another person
is being cut up inside
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that multi-million dollar
Hollywood home,
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you can go in if you think
an emergency has happened.
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Some people call it exigent
circumstance when you,
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and it came from
an old moonshiner case
by the way, US v. Carroll,
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when they were trying to catch
a moonshiner,
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they thought they were going
to get rid of the evidence.
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And he did, but in a way
it's a good thing
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or we wouldn't have
that video.
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Yeah, and they did
eventually get in.
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[Derrick] Obviously, they went
back to the house.
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They get this video.
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They go to the house,
and they end up finding
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a variety of evidence,
including blood.
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-Which they won't reveal.
-They won't reveal.
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But you can expect
that right now with
an open investigation.
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But they find, allegedly,
a ton of blood
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that suggests a killing
and a dismemberment.
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But I don't want to skate over
the fact that we still have
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two individuals,
May's parents,
that are missing.
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There were three large bags.
I don't want to go there yet.
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I'm hoping for
a positive outcome.
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But on the surface,
it doesn't look good.
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Okay, you've got 64-year-old
Yanxiang Wang, the mother.
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You've got 72-year-old
Gaoshan Li,
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both missing
and they all lived together.
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That's right and
they would have been home
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during the time in this would
have occurred.
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-It's not--
-And there's three children.
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It... three boys
and they were reportedly
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with DFACS,
Department of Family and
Children Services,
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but now I understand they're
with Mary Donnelly.
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Sam Haskell IV's sister.
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Yeah, the children,
ages 6, 8, and 12,
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now they've been removed
from the home
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and they're staying
with family.
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It is worth noting that
there was no identifiable
information
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on the body parts
that were found.
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They're certain, I guarantee
you, because by now
you can get
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a DNA quickie in less than
24 hours.
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They've gone in and gotten
her toothbrush or something
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and compared it to DNA
from that torso.
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I'm wondering, where's
the rest of her body?
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And where are the parents,
like you pointed out?
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Absolutely.
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All that money
and still miserable.
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Coming up, serial killer
suspect Rex Heuermann.
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New leads in the hunt
for even more victims
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of the alleged Long Island
serial killer.
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Will we ever know the truth?
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Breaking tonight,
one woman after the next
goes missing,
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then bodies and bags
turn up hidden in rough,
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underbrush Gilgo Beach.
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DNA on those burlap bags
and late night calls
to escorts.
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Would they alone be enough
to convict the alleged
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Long Island serial killer?
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But bombshell,
new eyewitnesses emerged
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placing suspect Rex Heuermann
with the dead women.
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Eyewitnesses?
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Awesome.
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Mara, what?
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Well, Nancy, as you know,
Rex Heuermann
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is the main suspect
in these killings.
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The 59-year-old architect
and Long Island resident,
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who'd been working in
Manhattan since 1987,
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has been credibly linked to
a number of the murders.
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Let's take a look
at his connection
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to these brutal slayings.
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24-year-old Shannon Gilbert
vanished after
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a chilling 911 call she placed
in May 2010.
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Her desperate call for help
kicked off a search
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that led to the discovery
of 11 sets of human remains
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in the area around Gilgo Beach
on Long Island.
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Over the span of
three days spent searching
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for Gilbert in December 2010,
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police found the remains
of four other women,
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all within 500 feet
of each other.
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Between March and April
of 2011, six more sets of
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remains were discovered,
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with police determining
there was likely just
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one single killer responsible.
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Gilbert's remains were finally
found in December 2011.
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It wasn't until over a decade
later that Rex Heuermann
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was arrested, implicated by
his Chevy Avalanche linked
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to one of the killings
and a hair from
the crime scene,
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likely matching DNA found in
a pizza box
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discarded by Heuermann.
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Well, Heuermann was taken
into custody in July
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and has been charged with
the murders of the three of
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the four victims who
were discovered first in 2010,
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while police continue
investigating his ties
to the other killings.
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And, Nancy, those ties
are what I really want
to get into now,
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after a new bombshell
just dropped in this case.
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Two witnesses have
come forward since
Heuermann's arrest,
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linking him to two
more deaths,
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including Shannon Gilbert.
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That's the woman
whose disappearance
kicked off the search
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that led to the discovery
of all these other bodies.
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[Nancy] You know, in addition
to those two witnesses,
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there are two other witnesses.
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Now, what's interesting
about the witnesses,
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I want to see if you guys
agree, a lot has been made of
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these victims being
sex workers.
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Like somehow their lives
don't matter as much
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as other victims,
which I resent deeply.
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These victims are
not sex workers.
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I mean, these witnesses
are not sex workers.
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One is a bank worker working
at a bank by day.
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At night, she drives a taxi.
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And very "respectable"
in that sense of the word.
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So I find, I believe
that it's going to be
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very difficult for
a defense attorney
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to suggest that she is somehow
tainted by her occupation.
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And her witness testimony
is very solid.
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Now I know that very often
eyewitnesses are attacked.
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That they didn't see
what they saw.
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But this woman, one of
these witnesses describes
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Shannon Gilbert, who before
many people said,
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oh, she was just there as
a coincidence,
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which doesn't make any sense.
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She describes Shannon
with Rex Heuermann
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right down to her droopy eye.
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Hey, could you pull up
a picture of Shannon Gilbert?
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If you notice a lot
of her photos,
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she brings her hair down
over one side.
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She has a droopy eye.
It's genetic.
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And that witness even
identifies the droopy eye.
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It's her.
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Yeah, the whole statement
from that.
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You know, Shannon goes
into the motel.
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She's there with Rex.
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Rex is gonna give her $1,000
in an envelope.
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He says, here you go.
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It's sealed at that point.
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-He goes into the--
- [Nancy] Hey,
there's the hair.
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Check it out.
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See, it's the eye that's
covered up that was droopy.
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[Derrick] Yeah, she has a very
specific characteristic
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that would be
identifiable, right?
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So, they're inside the motel,
she opens the envelope,
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realizes it's a bunch
of pieces, just shredded up
paper.
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So, at that moment,
when Rex allegedly comes out
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of the bathroom,
she runs into it,
calls for this taxi driver,
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and as soon as she shows up,
she runs outside,
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and that's where it picks up
from there.
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So, I think it's a pretty
credible witness.
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It's funny, because a lot
of people were saying
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initially they didn't know
if Shanann was actually
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-connected to
the Gilgo family.
-Which drove me insane.
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-Which...
-Like her dead body
just happened
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to be there with all
of his other victims.
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-It looks like...
-Allegedly.
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Yeah, it looks like
it might be tied to it.
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It might have started all off.
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Well, the idea of this being
a dumping ground
for many killers
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came actually from
the district attorney
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at that time, who was
rejecting the idea of
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a single killer publicly
because he didn't want
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to freak the public out.
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But there were 11 sets of
remains found.
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Only three Heuermann has
been charged with to date.
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But now there's
the possibility that
all of them
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and perhaps more
could be connected.
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So you have these
two witnesses
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who have come forward
with affidavits.
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There are also an
additional two who
have come forward
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to an attorney, both
sex workers who had encounters
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with Heuermann.
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But the ones in the affidavits
are the ones where we have
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the most detail, and these are
the most compelling.
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There's the one
that you mentioned,
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and then there's the woman
who says that she
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and her boyfriend
were swingers.
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-They pick up...
-It was a detective
by the way.
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-NYPD.
-There's so many
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layers to this story because
her boyfriend was an officer
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and they can do what they want
in their personal time.
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-Sure.
-Not judging.
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Don't care.
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They say they pick up
a sex worker in Manhattan
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to take her
to Rex Heuermann's home.
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At a club called La Trapeze
which was known for swingers.
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So they go there
and they pick up a sex worker
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and they...
because Asa Ellerup...
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Rex Heuermann's wife
was pregnant at the time.
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And I'm sure she didn't
want to hear anything
about any swinging.
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Well, in fact, when
they arrive at the house,
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the woman, the witness says
she asks us if she wants
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to engage in any
sexual activity.
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And she says no.
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[Nancy] But I believe
she said H-E-L-L N-O.
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-She had no interest in it
at that time.
-None.
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But what was there
are many things
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that were interesting
about this affidavit.
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But one of them is
she recounts the conversation
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that she has with the wife
and she says the wife
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tells her, "Rex brought me
here to this country.
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Everything I have
is because of him.
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I'm lucky he's rich."
I guess rich is relative
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-and that she was
afraid of him.
-Bingo.
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So this raises a lot
more questions.
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Why would she be saying that?
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What did she witness
in the past?
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And one thing we didn't
mention there is that
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this witness
and her boyfriend, the cop,
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they brought one of
the victims, Karen Vergata,
to that house.
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Karen Vergata was a sex worker
at the time.
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They pick her up before going
to the Massapequa Park home.
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They bring Karen to Rex
and Asa, right?
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There's some things
that happen inside.
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They're allegedly reporting
to this witness that Rex,
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Karen and the boyfriend
go downstairs for a while.
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That's when that
conversation happens.
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And then when the witness
and the boyfriend decide
to leave,
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they leave Karen behind.
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And according
to this witness,
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-as she's pulling away,
-Right.
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they see Karen Vergata
in the window.
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She looks like
she's calling for help,
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and then she runs out of
the house naked.
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And what's so concerning about
that is they didn't go back.
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And this man's
a police officer.
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-Yeah, they didn't go back.
They left her there.
-And the woman says,
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we're just gonna leave her.
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And he goes, oh, yeah,
they're just playing
a sex game,
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-Yeah. Not good.
-a sex game that apparently
ends in murder.
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Guys, coming up,
experts insist there are
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more victims of
the Long Island serial killer.
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Can family members
reveal evidence?
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Their mothers, their sisters,
their daughters go missing,
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then turn up
in burlap bags
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along a lonely stretch
of beach?
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Could Rex Heuermann's
own family reveal clues about
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the murders?
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With us now, you should
know him well.
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If you don't, you're going to.
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High-profile lawyer
representing the families
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of two of the murder victims,
John Ray.
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Man,
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you blew me away with all that
information about witnesses.
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Now are you telling me there's
another new witness?
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There's several new witnesses,
one of whom
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has signed an affidavit.
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Um, in that event,
this witness,
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who I vetted for several hours
and I believe is credible,
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and we have physical evidence
to support it,
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was shot by Rex Heuermann.
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-Wow.
-And that affidavit
that she's signed
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has been turned over
to the police.
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You know, I am stunned at
the connection with Shannon.
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That is very powerful
evidence.
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And as a practicing lawyer,
would you agree?
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We saw it in O.J. Simpson,
where DNA,
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which I believe proved
he was guilty,
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was attacked, claiming it
was planted,
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it had been tainted at
the crime lab, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
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00:18:02,689 --> 00:18:06,137
DNA can be attacked,
and successfully.
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We saw Johnny Cochran do it,
and he won.
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00:18:09,172 --> 00:18:13,275
But when you pair DNA
with eyewitnesses,
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that's a whole
other ballgame.
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It is. I agree.
And in Shannon's case,
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we had no idea, until this
witness came forward,
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that there was any connection
between him and Shannon.
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But there still lies out there
the question of whether or not
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her death is connected with
the people we have accused,
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Dr. Peter Hackett being
responsible for it, as well.
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But we now know of
a potential connection
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between Dr. Hackett
and Heuermann.
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And that comes in
the police inventory
of his house.
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They took what they deemed
survivalist equipment,
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survivalist material.
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And Dr. Peter Hackett
ran a company on Long Island
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-called Survivalist Dynamic.
-That's right.
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And I'd like to point out,
he has not been charged.
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He's not been named a person
of interest at this juncture.
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But I guarantee you,
if there is a cohort,
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if there is a co-defendant,
they're going to get them,
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and they're going to sing
like a canary to save
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their own skin, thoughts.
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Can I just ask you
a follow-up question
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on the new affidavit
that's forthcoming?
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You mentioned that
the witness said that
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-they had been shot
by Heuermann,
-Yes.
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and what were the extent
of their injuries,
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and what was
the outcome of
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the investigation
at that time?
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The shooting took place
years ago, and the witness
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was shot across the back of
her neck, and in such
a fashion,
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he missed, basically,
but it left a scar
on her neck,
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and you can see
the bullet scar going
right across her neck.
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-Wow.
-And this was a sex worker
as well?
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This was a sex worker,
and I've since done the work,
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the legwork to find,
this goes back many years,
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to find the police
case number.
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We found it,
and the only way that
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we can receive that evidence
is by FOIA-ling the evidence,
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and we've done that
as soon as I got the case.
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Did you say FOIA, Freedom
of Information Acting?
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-Yes.
-Yes.
448
00:20:00,068 --> 00:20:03,896
And so that method is
being used by me now.
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I don't know what the police
have done with it.
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They may have done
a lot with it. I don't know.
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as much as I'd love
to talk about,
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the Federal Freedom of
Information Act.
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Can we get right down to
La Trapeze, the swingers bar?
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Yes, La Trapeze was
a well-known swingers bar
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in its day, which goes back
into the '90s.
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And the people that
have come forward
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to tell me their firsthand
experience with it,
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that including the witness
who went with Karen Vergata,
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indicate altogether
that there are a considerable
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number of police officers
who would go there
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and a considerable number
of people from Long Island.
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The only way you could go
there is you had to have
a partner
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and you had to leave
with that partner.
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There were crimes committed
there, all covered up
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because there were
that many police...
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who were there.
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-So...
-John, do you think...
And there's a lot of problems
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with this case, and I think
you could attest to that.
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-Obviously, nothing was...
-[Nancy] I don't see
any problems.
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Yeah, nothing was
digitized initially.
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It was kind of a mess.
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But do you think what
you just hit on right there,
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corruption, right, being
the big word, so many
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police officers from
that community being involved
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with this
sex-working activity,
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when this case actually
started to come
to the surface,
477
00:21:13,793 --> 00:21:15,275
when they started
finding bodies,
478
00:21:15,275 --> 00:21:17,793
do you think that contributed
to why this case
479
00:21:17,793 --> 00:21:19,000
was always put on
the back burner,
480
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,689
why the investigation
didn't go forward
as aggressively
481
00:21:21,689 --> 00:21:22,689
as it should have?
482
00:21:22,689 --> 00:21:25,241
Well, just to start with this,
you know,
483
00:21:25,241 --> 00:21:29,793
I've done 33 homicides,
but I have a great deal
of regard
484
00:21:29,793 --> 00:21:31,448
for the police as brave
and courageous people.
485
00:21:31,448 --> 00:21:32,551
[Derrick] Likewise.
486
00:21:32,551 --> 00:21:36,896
And I, therefore, constantly
had to withhold myself
487
00:21:36,896 --> 00:21:39,137
from drawing any kind of
a conclusion that
488
00:21:39,137 --> 00:21:42,448
the police were
willfully doing anything
489
00:21:42,448 --> 00:21:44,000
in this case,
in Shannon's case.
490
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,896
I always gave them
the benefit of the doubt.
491
00:21:45,896 --> 00:21:49,793
You cannot do that
anymore with
the evidence that we have.
492
00:21:49,793 --> 00:21:52,379
The... There is no question
whatsoever
493
00:21:52,379 --> 00:21:54,862
in my mind that
from the inception
494
00:21:54,862 --> 00:21:58,344
of this investigation until
the task force was formed
495
00:21:58,344 --> 00:22:01,793
a little over a year ago,
there was willful negligence,
496
00:22:01,793 --> 00:22:06,344
willful avoidance of evidence,
willful cover-up of evidence.
497
00:22:06,344 --> 00:22:08,034
[Nancy] Guys, I agree that
that's terrible.
498
00:22:08,034 --> 00:22:13,482
Agree, but can we focus
on the serial killer
for a moment,
499
00:22:13,482 --> 00:22:16,965
the alleged serial killer
Rex Heuermann?
500
00:22:16,965 --> 00:22:19,137
Yes, we've said it
a million times.
501
00:22:19,137 --> 00:22:22,000
We're beating a dead horse.
Yes, some of the cops
502
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,103
are seeing sex workers.
503
00:22:23,103 --> 00:22:24,482
Yes, they didn't want to get
caught,
504
00:22:24,482 --> 00:22:25,896
so they didn't want the FBI
in it.
505
00:22:25,896 --> 00:22:27,172
Yes, there was a delay.
506
00:22:27,172 --> 00:22:30,103
Now, can we talk about
the evidence in this case?
507
00:22:30,103 --> 00:22:31,241
There's plenty of that
508
00:22:31,241 --> 00:22:34,000
Yes, but I think what's
concerning to people in terms
509
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,137
of the corruption slash
indifference Is that
510
00:22:36,137 --> 00:22:39,103
how many other
women potentially
were killed
511
00:22:39,103 --> 00:22:42,448
because the police were not
taking appropriate action?
512
00:22:42,448 --> 00:22:44,482
And in terms of
the witnesses that
513
00:22:44,482 --> 00:22:46,068
you have,
you also have a witness.
514
00:22:46,068 --> 00:22:48,655
You have two
that were sex workers.
515
00:22:48,655 --> 00:22:50,448
One of them who said
that they were
516
00:22:50,448 --> 00:22:52,689
frequently at the home
and that the wife
517
00:22:52,689 --> 00:22:55,448
was very much aware
at least that Heuermann
518
00:22:55,448 --> 00:22:57,482
frequently entertained
sex workers.
519
00:22:57,482 --> 00:22:59,758
Can you tell us a little bit
more about what
520
00:22:59,758 --> 00:23:01,586
she maybe did or did not know?
521
00:23:01,586 --> 00:23:05,103
That witness,
who came forward,
522
00:23:05,103 --> 00:23:06,586
spoke to me at great length.
523
00:23:06,586 --> 00:23:10,862
And she spent, she said
at least 20 times
524
00:23:10,862 --> 00:23:14,000
she serviced Rex Heuermann
in his home.
525
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,689
She said that the wife
was upstairs.
526
00:23:15,689 --> 00:23:20,137
It's a 1,300 square foot home.
It's a teeny weeny bungalow.
527
00:23:20,137 --> 00:23:22,448
It'd be impossible for
the wife not to know what
528
00:23:22,448 --> 00:23:25,241
was going on downstairs
in a place like that.
529
00:23:25,241 --> 00:23:29,275
And she said that the wife
was upstairs so much so
that in one instance,
530
00:23:29,275 --> 00:23:34,103
the wife ran out into
the yard, very angry
531
00:23:34,103 --> 00:23:36,379
at one of the sex workers
who was there,
532
00:23:36,379 --> 00:23:39,689
because the sex worker
had allegedly stolen
533
00:23:39,689 --> 00:23:42,241
the wife's iron from
an ironing board.
534
00:23:42,241 --> 00:23:44,034
And there was a big battle
over that,
535
00:23:44,034 --> 00:23:46,241
and the taxi cab driver
had to-- or, rather,
536
00:23:46,241 --> 00:23:48,862
the driver had to--
They had to empty the car
537
00:23:48,862 --> 00:23:53,103
in order to find the iron,
which, did not happen.
538
00:23:53,103 --> 00:23:55,793
But when you consider
the clutterbug nature
539
00:23:55,793 --> 00:23:59,137
of that house and the way
that woman kept things,
540
00:23:59,137 --> 00:24:01,689
it makes perfect sense
when you hear that
541
00:24:01,689 --> 00:24:04,586
she was upset about
an iron missing,
542
00:24:04,586 --> 00:24:06,103
but it indicates
her knowledge,
543
00:24:06,103 --> 00:24:07,448
her actual knowledge
of the sex worker.
544
00:24:07,448 --> 00:24:09,482
[Nancy] Well, wait a minute.
She's upset about
the clothes iron
545
00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:12,000
when her husband's
with a sex worker?
546
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,034
I mean,
547
00:24:13,034 --> 00:24:14,758
that's bass-ackwards to me.
548
00:24:14,758 --> 00:24:17,172
I would be doing
a backflip at my husband
549
00:24:17,172 --> 00:24:19,482
or with the sex workers.
You can have the iron.
550
00:24:19,482 --> 00:24:20,241
Take it.
551
00:24:20,241 --> 00:24:21,965
I'd be mad if you didn't.
552
00:24:21,965 --> 00:24:25,275
But it tells me a lot about
claims that the wife,
553
00:24:25,275 --> 00:24:28,103
Asa Ellerup, knew what
was happening.
554
00:24:28,103 --> 00:24:30,586
But is it not possible,
because one of the witnesses
555
00:24:30,586 --> 00:24:32,793
that you presented
the affidavit for said that
556
00:24:32,793 --> 00:24:34,655
when she had
this conversation with her,
557
00:24:34,655 --> 00:24:36,689
she said that she was
afraid of him.
558
00:24:36,689 --> 00:24:39,586
Is it not possible that
she herself is also
559
00:24:39,586 --> 00:24:42,379
a domestic violence victim,
that she was almost like
a captive,
560
00:24:42,379 --> 00:24:44,275
in a sense,
that did not necessarily
561
00:24:44,275 --> 00:24:46,482
have choice
in cooperating with him
562
00:24:46,482 --> 00:24:49,275
because she lived with a man
she was terrified of?
563
00:24:49,275 --> 00:24:53,379
Anything's possible,
but the overwhelming evidence
564
00:24:53,379 --> 00:24:55,793
is exactly the opposite
of that.
565
00:24:55,793 --> 00:24:58,482
Consider, for example,
in 2010,
566
00:24:58,482 --> 00:25:01,068
we have her emails
back and forth to people
567
00:25:01,068 --> 00:25:02,275
across the United States
568
00:25:02,275 --> 00:25:04,241
when she deals with
this ComCon.
569
00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:07,965
She was involved in a--
she'd dress up in
a weird costume
570
00:25:07,965 --> 00:25:09,275
and that sort of thing.
571
00:25:09,275 --> 00:25:11,758
She's a perfectly happy lady,
having a good old time,
572
00:25:11,758 --> 00:25:12,793
traveling around the country.
573
00:25:12,793 --> 00:25:15,689
She travels with
her husband in various places
574
00:25:15,689 --> 00:25:17,137
to other states.
575
00:25:17,137 --> 00:25:21,034
And I have a witness who came
forward who cut his hair,
576
00:25:21,034 --> 00:25:22,862
and she came with him,
and she had her hair cut
577
00:25:22,862 --> 00:25:24,965
as well. That does not
sound like somebody who's
578
00:25:24,965 --> 00:25:26,862
in an abusive relationship.
579
00:25:26,862 --> 00:25:30,241
And her comment when
she was first confronted by
580
00:25:30,241 --> 00:25:32,172
the press when
they came to her home was,
581
00:25:32,172 --> 00:25:33,344
it is what it is.
582
00:25:33,344 --> 00:25:35,689
Not, gee, the poor people
that were hurt and killed
583
00:25:35,689 --> 00:25:37,793
and so on.
It is what it is.
584
00:25:37,793 --> 00:25:40,034
-That's what she said,
and now she's shopped,
-A very different sensibility.
585
00:25:40,034 --> 00:25:43,172
according to her own lawyer,
who talked to me personally,
586
00:25:43,172 --> 00:25:46,482
she's out shopping,
trying to get
a seven-figure book deal
587
00:25:46,482 --> 00:25:48,896
to be able to do a book
and a movie.
588
00:25:48,896 --> 00:25:51,068
Well, I can tell you
right now, somebody's
gonna make
589
00:25:51,068 --> 00:25:54,000
a million dollars off of this,
and it's not us.
590
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,103
-Not us.
-It's blood money, blood
money, blood money.
591
00:25:58,103 --> 00:25:59,034
You know what?
592
00:25:59,034 --> 00:26:00,137
You can have it.
593
00:26:01,068 --> 00:26:03,448
Mr. John Ray,
thank you so much,
594
00:26:03,448 --> 00:26:05,034
not only for being with us,
595
00:26:05,034 --> 00:26:07,862
but for what
you are doing to advance
596
00:26:07,862 --> 00:26:10,482
the truth of this case.
597
00:26:10,482 --> 00:26:14,586
Guys, also tonight, a loving
husband, deeply religious dad
598
00:26:14,586 --> 00:26:18,172
of four, ambushed and murdered
on a Sunday night
599
00:26:18,172 --> 00:26:22,034
on his way home from dropping
off his two twins,
600
00:26:22,034 --> 00:26:24,103
his little daughter,
strapped in the backseat,
601
00:26:24,103 --> 00:26:26,241
screaming for daddy.
602
00:26:26,241 --> 00:26:32,034
But was it a murder for hire
plot hatched by his bitter ex?
603
00:26:42,482 --> 00:26:45,551
Welcome back, everybody.
A Microsoft executive,
604
00:26:45,551 --> 00:26:49,689
a dad of four, shot
and killed in a deadly ambush
605
00:26:49,689 --> 00:26:51,586
while he's driving
his tot girl
606
00:26:51,586 --> 00:26:54,275
in the backseat of the car.
Who would do that?
607
00:26:54,275 --> 00:26:56,482
Well, two years later,
according to police,
608
00:26:56,482 --> 00:26:59,482
the murder mastermind
is none other than
609
00:26:59,482 --> 00:27:02,275
the spoiled, rotten daughter
of millionaires,
610
00:27:02,275 --> 00:27:05,103
his bitter ex-wife.
611
00:27:05,103 --> 00:27:08,793
On February 16th,
Microsoft exec
Jared Bridegan,
612
00:27:08,793 --> 00:27:11,275
a 33-year-old dad of four
driving home
613
00:27:11,275 --> 00:27:13,482
with his daughter, Bexley,
just two years old,
614
00:27:13,482 --> 00:27:17,896
when he asked to stop his SUV
to remove a tire
615
00:27:17,896 --> 00:27:22,689
strategically placed in
the center of the narrow road.
616
00:27:22,689 --> 00:27:24,689
Once Jared is out in the open,
617
00:27:24,689 --> 00:27:28,482
shots fly, riddling
the young dad with bullets,
618
00:27:28,482 --> 00:27:31,586
his two-year-old girl still
strapped in the back,
619
00:27:31,586 --> 00:27:33,275
crying for daddy.
620
00:27:33,275 --> 00:27:36,896
No robbery, no carjack,
no kidnap.
621
00:27:36,896 --> 00:27:38,034
So what's the motive?
622
00:27:38,034 --> 00:27:40,448
Police say revenge.
623
00:27:40,448 --> 00:27:41,896
Mara, what about it?
624
00:27:41,896 --> 00:27:44,896
Yeah, Nancy, detectives linked
surveillance video
625
00:27:44,896 --> 00:27:48,000
of a pickup truck at the time
and place of the murder
626
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,068
to 61-year-old Henry Tenon.
627
00:27:50,068 --> 00:27:51,758
And after looking into
his background,
628
00:27:51,758 --> 00:27:54,137
they made a shocking
connection.
629
00:27:54,137 --> 00:27:57,586
They found that he rented
a room from Mario Fernandez.
630
00:27:57,586 --> 00:28:01,379
That's the new husband
of Jared's ex-wife,
Shanna Gardner.
631
00:28:01,379 --> 00:28:04,379
They suspected Shanna
and Mario hired Henry
632
00:28:04,379 --> 00:28:06,137
to pull the trigger.
633
00:28:06,137 --> 00:28:08,793
In March of this year,
Henry pleaded guilty
634
00:28:08,793 --> 00:28:12,862
to second degree murder
and agreed to testify
against the couple.
635
00:28:12,862 --> 00:28:15,862
Both charged for playing
a key role in the conspiracy
636
00:28:15,862 --> 00:28:17,448
to murder Jared.
637
00:28:18,379 --> 00:28:20,896
This morning,
a Fourth Circuit grand jury
638
00:28:20,896 --> 00:28:23,896
indicted Shanna Gardner
for first-degree murder,
639
00:28:23,896 --> 00:28:26,448
conspiracy to commit
first-degree murder,
640
00:28:26,448 --> 00:28:28,896
solicitation to commit
first-degree murder,
641
00:28:28,896 --> 00:28:32,068
and child abuse, all related
to the murder of
642
00:28:32,068 --> 00:28:35,551
Jared Bridegan,
Shanna's ex-husband.
643
00:28:35,551 --> 00:28:38,689
We will be filing a notice of
our intent to seek
the death penalty
644
00:28:38,689 --> 00:28:42,034
as we have also done in
the case of Mario Fernandez.
645
00:28:42,379 --> 00:28:43,689
Wow. Okay.
646
00:28:43,689 --> 00:28:45,655
We also know
the Florida death penalty
647
00:28:45,655 --> 00:28:47,793
has been announced
and they don't play.
648
00:28:47,793 --> 00:28:50,758
All right. You get
the death penalty sentence.
649
00:28:50,758 --> 00:28:53,344
You will get the Florida
death penalty.
650
00:28:53,344 --> 00:28:57,172
But it's amazing to me
that the ex-wife
651
00:28:57,172 --> 00:28:59,862
has been this bitter
for this long,
652
00:28:59,862 --> 00:29:02,034
and she's got nothing
to be bitter about.
653
00:29:02,034 --> 00:29:04,448
She's the one that wanted out
of the marriage,
654
00:29:04,448 --> 00:29:06,482
and he's a devout Mormon.
655
00:29:06,482 --> 00:29:08,586
He did not want
to break up the family.
656
00:29:08,586 --> 00:29:10,103
But she left, all right?
657
00:29:10,103 --> 00:29:12,586
She's remarried to a guy
she met at the gym.
658
00:29:12,586 --> 00:29:14,689
Could you just surprise me
one time, man?
659
00:29:14,689 --> 00:29:17,379
Just meet somebody in
a book club or at the library.
660
00:29:17,379 --> 00:29:18,793
Why is it always the gym?
661
00:29:18,793 --> 00:29:20,586
Anyway, that's... There he is.
662
00:29:20,586 --> 00:29:21,793
He's smiling now.
663
00:29:21,793 --> 00:29:23,482
He's not going
to be smiling long,
664
00:29:23,482 --> 00:29:25,551
-because the trigger man is...
-No.
665
00:29:25,551 --> 00:29:28,482
Totally gonna rat the two of
them out for a sweet deal.
666
00:29:28,482 --> 00:29:30,482
[Derrick] Yeah. No, it was,
it was incredible what
the police
667
00:29:30,482 --> 00:29:32,793
did here, obviously we saw at
the top of the segment here
668
00:29:32,793 --> 00:29:34,896
that police identified
a blue pickup truck,
669
00:29:34,896 --> 00:29:37,379
a Ford F-150.
It had brown trim on it.
670
00:29:37,379 --> 00:29:39,793
With a silver toolbox,
which is pretty specific
671
00:29:39,793 --> 00:29:42,655
and then Tenon was pulled over
in August of 2022.
672
00:29:42,655 --> 00:29:45,379
-I believe, police knew
he was one...
-In a blue pickup
673
00:29:45,379 --> 00:29:47,448
-Blue pickup...
-with brown trim
and a silver toolbox.
674
00:29:47,448 --> 00:29:49,172
Yep, they brought him in
for questioning
675
00:29:49,172 --> 00:29:50,689
and then it just it snowballs
from there.
676
00:29:50,689 --> 00:29:51,896
They start to see the link.
677
00:29:51,896 --> 00:29:53,896
Obviously he comes in,
they question him about it.
678
00:29:53,896 --> 00:29:55,793
He starts to tell them what
they want to hear
679
00:29:55,793 --> 00:29:57,379
and then there's
the financial records
680
00:29:57,379 --> 00:29:59,000
where Mario made
multiple payments
681
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,965
to him in October of '22
682
00:30:00,965 --> 00:30:03,896
-You have cell phone records--
-I think by check.
683
00:30:03,896 --> 00:30:04,862
By check.
684
00:30:04,862 --> 00:30:06,068
-Yeah, that's great, right?
-I mean, really?
685
00:30:06,068 --> 00:30:08,344
And then 30 cell phone calls
as well in February.
686
00:30:08,344 --> 00:30:11,758
But here's the problem
in securing a conviction
for Shanna.
687
00:30:11,758 --> 00:30:14,000
So she's the one with
all the family money.
688
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,655
She has now hired
a very high-profile attorney
689
00:30:16,655 --> 00:30:18,482
-Jose Baez.
-You might have heard
of her, Nancy.
690
00:30:18,482 --> 00:30:20,896
-He represented--
-Who's Jose Baez?
691
00:30:20,896 --> 00:30:23,862
He represented Casey Anthony,
he represented Aaron Hernandez
692
00:30:23,862 --> 00:30:26,137
on the time he was acquitted.
Not when he was convicted
693
00:30:26,137 --> 00:30:28,551
of murder. So she brings in
this very high-profile--
694
00:30:28,551 --> 00:30:30,655
There are so many trials
to pick from
with Aaron Hernandez.
695
00:30:30,655 --> 00:30:32,689
She brings in this very
high-profile attorney.
696
00:30:32,689 --> 00:30:34,448
The husband does not
have that
697
00:30:34,448 --> 00:30:35,862
and he does not have
the family money
698
00:30:35,862 --> 00:30:39,551
and he's the one who has
all the links to the hitman.
699
00:30:39,551 --> 00:30:40,586
[Nancy] And he doesn't have
any motive...
700
00:30:40,586 --> 00:30:41,896
[Mara] He's the one
who does the checks.
701
00:30:41,896 --> 00:30:43,758
...but what's his motive?
What's he mad about?
702
00:30:43,758 --> 00:30:44,896
[Mara] But I think if I were
the husband,
703
00:30:44,896 --> 00:30:47,000
I'd be very concerned
because you have the hitman
704
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,068
flipping on the two of them.
But if she then flips on
705
00:30:50,068 --> 00:30:51,896
the husband and says
I knew nothing
706
00:30:51,896 --> 00:30:54,586
about this and there's nothing
tying me directly to it.
707
00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:58,103
Then in that case,
it's just him alone saying,
708
00:30:58,103 --> 00:30:59,379
"No, no, no, it was really her
all along."
709
00:30:59,379 --> 00:31:01,379
But is that gonna be enough
to secure a conviction?
710
00:31:01,379 --> 00:31:06,000
Well, I'm telling you,
she's the one that
dragged Bridegan,
711
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,793
Jared Bridegan,
the husband, to court.
712
00:31:07,793 --> 00:31:10,896
And you know who's going to
be the best witness on that?
713
00:31:10,896 --> 00:31:13,482
The current wife,
Kirsten Bridegan.
714
00:31:13,482 --> 00:31:18,344
Can you roll her speaking
about her daughter?
715
00:31:18,344 --> 00:31:21,551
In a deeply emotional day
like this, what do you tell
716
00:31:21,551 --> 00:31:24,448
your children about today
and the results of today?
717
00:31:26,103 --> 00:31:29,275
London is too young
to know anything.
718
00:31:29,275 --> 00:31:31,241
Bexley is older.
719
00:31:31,241 --> 00:31:32,379
She was there.
720
00:31:32,379 --> 00:31:35,689
She's been part of this
since they decided to kill
721
00:31:35,689 --> 00:31:37,000
her father in front of her.
722
00:31:37,275 --> 00:31:38,482
Um...
723
00:31:38,482 --> 00:31:42,482
I have to keep it in simple
terms 'cause she's only four.
724
00:31:42,482 --> 00:31:45,448
She knows that two bad guys
have been put in jail
725
00:31:45,448 --> 00:31:47,862
and this morning I was able
to tell her that...
726
00:31:49,379 --> 00:31:51,689
who she refers to
as the mean mom,
727
00:31:51,689 --> 00:31:54,379
is going to be
in jail as well.
728
00:31:54,379 --> 00:31:57,551
For the past year and a half,
Liam and Abby
729
00:31:57,551 --> 00:32:01,965
have been isolated
and kept away from us
730
00:32:01,965 --> 00:32:04,103
while they lived with
their mother, their stepdad,
731
00:32:04,103 --> 00:32:05,965
and their maternal
grandparents.
732
00:32:07,275 --> 00:32:10,862
Despite my constant requests
to see or speak to them,
733
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,862
[clears throat] I have been
denied and continuously
ignored.
734
00:32:16,896 --> 00:32:20,034
So I will take this
opportunity to do it again.
735
00:32:20,034 --> 00:32:21,068
[sniffles]
736
00:32:22,103 --> 00:32:25,103
I plead with the Gardners
to put the emotional
737
00:32:26,172 --> 00:32:29,689
and mental well-being
of Liam, Abby above all else
738
00:32:29,689 --> 00:32:31,655
and allow them to
reconnect with us.
739
00:32:32,586 --> 00:32:35,275
You know, real quickly,
I know that some people
740
00:32:35,275 --> 00:32:36,379
might be looking
at us saying,
741
00:32:36,379 --> 00:32:38,275
Tenon's only getting 15 years
in prison for this.
742
00:32:38,275 --> 00:32:39,344
He pulled the trigger.
743
00:32:39,344 --> 00:32:40,862
But think about what
Melissa Nelson already said.
744
00:32:40,862 --> 00:32:44,034
He was the single link to
Gardner and Fernandez.
745
00:32:44,034 --> 00:32:45,758
Without him,
they don't have anything.
746
00:32:45,758 --> 00:32:48,068
So I understand that
it seems light.
747
00:32:48,068 --> 00:32:50,103
-But like you said earlier,
they're going death penalty.
-Can I tell you something?
748
00:32:50,103 --> 00:32:52,482
This is what I learned,
I learned it the hard way.
749
00:32:52,482 --> 00:32:55,689
Sometimes you gotta go to hell
to get the witness
750
00:32:55,689 --> 00:32:57,793
-Right.
-to put the devil in jail.
751
00:32:57,793 --> 00:32:59,965
So, sometimes you gotta eat
a dirt sandwich
752
00:32:59,965 --> 00:33:01,482
and take a plea
just like that.
753
00:33:01,482 --> 00:33:03,793
Guys, coming up,
the Florida death penalty
754
00:33:03,793 --> 00:33:06,793
for two of the alleged perps
while the admitted trigger man
755
00:33:06,793 --> 00:33:10,000
is set to point
the finger at the ex.
756
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,344
When we come back.
757
00:33:17,758 --> 00:33:21,379
It was pretty clear
that someone knew his route,
his schedule.
758
00:33:21,379 --> 00:33:23,275
I have felt since
the beginning
759
00:33:23,275 --> 00:33:25,137
that this was planned,
760
00:33:25,137 --> 00:33:28,689
this was thought out,
and this was specific
to Jared.
761
00:33:28,689 --> 00:33:31,793
So I am not surprised
that they announced
762
00:33:31,793 --> 00:33:34,448
that Henry Tenon, someone that
we've never heard of
763
00:33:34,448 --> 00:33:37,586
that Jared did not know,
wasn't alone in this.
764
00:33:37,586 --> 00:33:40,793
It's frightening, frankly,
that there is a connection
765
00:33:40,793 --> 00:33:43,034
and that there is
this mass conspiracy.
766
00:33:43,034 --> 00:33:45,862
It does not help us sleep
at night.
767
00:33:46,758 --> 00:33:49,275
The high-profile lawyer
who repped top mom
768
00:33:49,275 --> 00:33:51,275
Casey Anthony in charges
she murdered
769
00:33:51,275 --> 00:33:53,482
her two-year-old little girl,
Kelly.
770
00:33:53,482 --> 00:33:55,896
He also repped convicted
serial killer
771
00:33:55,896 --> 00:33:58,586
and NFL star Aaron Hernandez.
772
00:33:58,586 --> 00:34:01,758
Jose Baez enters the fray
representing the ex-wife,
773
00:34:01,758 --> 00:34:02,965
Shanna Gardner.
774
00:34:02,965 --> 00:34:04,793
She's facing
the death penalty
775
00:34:04,793 --> 00:34:06,965
for allegedly planning
the murder of
776
00:34:06,965 --> 00:34:09,688
her ex-husband with
her new husband
777
00:34:09,688 --> 00:34:11,379
that she met at the gym.
778
00:34:11,379 --> 00:34:16,482
What, if anything, does that
mean for the state's case?
779
00:34:16,482 --> 00:34:20,068
With us now, Vic Micolucci
from Jacksonville, Florida,
780
00:34:20,068 --> 00:34:22,551
TV station, WJXT.
781
00:34:22,551 --> 00:34:24,793
Vic, it's great to see you.
782
00:34:24,793 --> 00:34:27,379
You've been on this case
from the very beginning,
783
00:34:27,379 --> 00:34:29,379
and a lot of people
are saying, "Oh, well,
784
00:34:29,379 --> 00:34:32,034
how is Shannon Gardner
really tied into this?"
785
00:34:32,034 --> 00:34:33,275
I'll tell you how.
786
00:34:33,275 --> 00:34:36,757
She knew he was coming
to her home that Sunday night
787
00:34:36,757 --> 00:34:40,655
to drop off his two twins
from their marriage.
788
00:34:40,655 --> 00:34:43,896
She knew his route home,
that basically
789
00:34:43,896 --> 00:34:46,482
a very narrow, almost
a one-way street
790
00:34:46,482 --> 00:34:49,275
he took every Sunday
on the way home,
791
00:34:49,275 --> 00:34:52,688
and somebody had placed
that tire there.
792
00:34:52,688 --> 00:34:53,965
Thanks for being with us.
793
00:34:53,965 --> 00:34:58,137
And this year is marking
one year since this
all went down.
794
00:34:58,137 --> 00:34:59,862
So let me ask you this.
795
00:34:59,862 --> 00:35:01,034
What do you make of it?
796
00:35:01,034 --> 00:35:03,862
Is there enough
to put the bitter ex
797
00:35:03,862 --> 00:35:06,655
Shanna Gardner behind bars?
798
00:35:06,655 --> 00:35:09,379
Well, first of all, this is
such a heartbreaking case
799
00:35:09,379 --> 00:35:11,758
and our heart goes out to
the family members
800
00:35:11,758 --> 00:35:14,689
and all the people devastated
by this.
801
00:35:14,689 --> 00:35:17,586
It is so bizarre here when
you think about it,
802
00:35:17,586 --> 00:35:20,896
but there are a lot of fingers
pointing at Shanna Gardner.
803
00:35:20,896 --> 00:35:23,793
And from the very beginning,
before we were even able
804
00:35:23,793 --> 00:35:26,586
to report it, people were
reaching out to me,
805
00:35:26,586 --> 00:35:29,551
they were reaching out
to other journalists saying,
806
00:35:29,551 --> 00:35:30,758
we know who did this.
807
00:35:30,758 --> 00:35:33,551
And if you look at
the facts of the case,
808
00:35:33,551 --> 00:35:35,379
Jared Bridegan
was leaving after
809
00:35:35,379 --> 00:35:39,586
dropping off the twins
that he shared with
Shanna Gardner
810
00:35:39,586 --> 00:35:41,379
at Shanna and Mario's house.
811
00:35:41,379 --> 00:35:44,793
He was taking a specified
route which he took
to his home
812
00:35:44,793 --> 00:35:48,517
which is in another city
and it goes down into
813
00:35:48,896 --> 00:35:50,344
a wooded area.
814
00:35:50,344 --> 00:35:52,344
And it's really one of
the few wooded areas
815
00:35:52,344 --> 00:35:55,448
in this beach coastal town
that is Jacksonville Beach.
816
00:35:55,448 --> 00:35:56,482
And that's where it's dark.
817
00:35:56,482 --> 00:35:58,482
That's where there's not
a lot of cameras.
818
00:35:58,482 --> 00:36:02,275
That's where you've got this
little one lane narrow road.
819
00:36:02,275 --> 00:36:04,275
And he runs into this tire.
820
00:36:04,275 --> 00:36:07,482
And I think that's just what
really had people thinking
821
00:36:07,482 --> 00:36:10,275
this was not some sort of
random murder.
822
00:36:10,275 --> 00:36:12,965
This wasn't
a random thrill kill.
823
00:36:12,965 --> 00:36:16,379
This wasn't a robbery because
he had his wallet on him.
824
00:36:16,379 --> 00:36:19,344
This was a planned,
calculated attack.
825
00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:21,482
And we learned very early on,
I think the week
826
00:36:21,482 --> 00:36:23,689
that this happened, I learned
from the police chief
827
00:36:23,689 --> 00:36:25,379
and investigators that
this was going to be
828
00:36:25,379 --> 00:36:27,758
a targeted murder.
829
00:36:27,758 --> 00:36:30,689
And you just have to look
and trace it back.
830
00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:33,241
And you're going to
immediately find out that
831
00:36:33,241 --> 00:36:35,896
Shanna Gardner is going to be
a prime suspect here.
832
00:36:35,896 --> 00:36:38,896
You know, what's interesting
is their horrible, horrible,
833
00:36:38,896 --> 00:36:42,793
tortuous, contentious
relationship.
834
00:36:42,793 --> 00:36:44,689
And I don't get it, Vic.
835
00:36:44,689 --> 00:36:46,482
All that money from
her parents who have
836
00:36:46,482 --> 00:36:50,034
that paper company,
like party favor type
837
00:36:50,034 --> 00:36:51,000
paper company,
838
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,482
millions and millions
of dollars.
839
00:36:53,482 --> 00:36:55,862
She's never had to work
a day in her life.
840
00:36:55,862 --> 00:36:59,965
Why is she so bitter
and resentful toward him?
841
00:37:02,172 --> 00:37:07,241
It's just a very, very long,
bitter divorce and just
842
00:37:07,241 --> 00:37:11,137
an ugly battle for custody
of these children as well.
843
00:37:11,137 --> 00:37:14,068
She wants to potentially move
these children somewhere else.
844
00:37:14,068 --> 00:37:17,137
Jared Bridegan wants to
keep them in North Florida.
845
00:37:17,137 --> 00:37:19,482
And we can see this by reading
the court documents.
846
00:37:19,482 --> 00:37:21,275
They're not publicly available
online,
847
00:37:21,275 --> 00:37:24,379
but I was able to read them,
dozens of pages of them.
848
00:37:24,379 --> 00:37:27,689
And you could just see such
a contentious divorce here
849
00:37:27,689 --> 00:37:29,655
leading up to this murder.
850
00:37:30,758 --> 00:37:32,379
There's medical conditions
in there.
851
00:37:32,379 --> 00:37:34,689
There's allegations
of abuse in there.
852
00:37:34,689 --> 00:37:38,275
She apparently locked him
out of the master bedroom.
853
00:37:38,275 --> 00:37:40,344
Their house had all kinds
of cameras so that
854
00:37:40,344 --> 00:37:43,068
she could potentially
keep surveillance
855
00:37:43,068 --> 00:37:44,172
on Jared Bridegan.
856
00:37:44,172 --> 00:37:46,344
And Nancy, this goes back...
857
00:37:47,241 --> 00:37:50,448
a very long time,
potentially back to 2015
858
00:37:50,448 --> 00:37:53,448
before they were even
separated and divorced.
859
00:37:53,448 --> 00:37:55,793
And if you look at
the indictment,
you'll see that there
860
00:37:55,793 --> 00:37:59,000
are allegations
that potentially
she plotted to kill him.
861
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,000
She wanted to, quote, "Shut
him up," as far back as then.
862
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,172
-[Nancy] Ooh.
-So we're talking about it.
863
00:38:03,172 --> 00:38:05,482
[Nancy] That's what she said
at the tattoo parlor, right?
864
00:38:05,482 --> 00:38:08,137
-Yeah.
-Shades of Tot Mom
Casey Anthony.
865
00:38:08,137 --> 00:38:09,689
She said, did you guys know?
866
00:38:09,689 --> 00:38:12,344
She actually said at
a tattoo parlor, "Hey,
867
00:38:12,344 --> 00:38:14,793
you know anybody that
could shut my husband up?"
868
00:38:14,793 --> 00:38:16,689
Yeah, that was while she was
getting her genitals pierced.
869
00:38:16,689 --> 00:38:19,241
Okay, I wasn't going to say
that 'cause I'm not judging.
870
00:38:19,241 --> 00:38:21,482
-But you, but you...
-Oh, we gotta put out
all the facts.
871
00:38:21,482 --> 00:38:24,344
In terms of questionable
behavior, which maybe we filed
872
00:38:24,344 --> 00:38:26,689
that under questionable, Vic,
I wonder if you have
873
00:38:26,689 --> 00:38:30,758
any details on Shanna's
behavior after the murder that
874
00:38:30,758 --> 00:38:33,517
also raised eyebrows about
her potential involvement.
875
00:38:34,586 --> 00:38:36,793
Mara, the behavior
was very bizarre
876
00:38:36,793 --> 00:38:39,172
and I heard this from
the Bridegan family.
877
00:38:39,172 --> 00:38:41,275
I heard it from sources in
the case and I also heard it
878
00:38:41,275 --> 00:38:42,965
from neighbors.
879
00:38:42,965 --> 00:38:46,103
She was still out and about.
She was going to parties.
880
00:38:46,103 --> 00:38:50,068
She threw a party around
the time of Jared's funeral,
881
00:38:50,068 --> 00:38:52,034
according to
multiple sources here,
882
00:38:52,034 --> 00:38:55,172
and I know that she was
still attending parties
883
00:38:55,172 --> 00:38:56,896
in the Jacksonville
Beach area.
884
00:38:56,896 --> 00:39:00,689
Given Jacksonville Beach
is not used to crime like this
885
00:39:00,689 --> 00:39:03,586
in the greater Jacksonville
area this far.
886
00:39:03,586 --> 00:39:07,448
So far this year alone,
we've had 110 homicides.
887
00:39:07,448 --> 00:39:09,103
Vic, do you see
any issues now?
888
00:39:09,103 --> 00:39:11,758
Obviously, Mario and Shanna
have separated.
889
00:39:11,758 --> 00:39:14,586
We have the paper trail with
the checks that were written.
890
00:39:14,586 --> 00:39:17,689
We have phone conversations
between Mario and Henry.
891
00:39:17,689 --> 00:39:19,586
Now Jose Baez is on this case.
892
00:39:19,586 --> 00:39:22,103
Do you see a situation where
Shanna is going to come out
893
00:39:22,103 --> 00:39:24,172
and say, "Listen, I didn't
know what was going on.
894
00:39:24,172 --> 00:39:25,482
Mario did this on his own."
895
00:39:25,482 --> 00:39:27,689
Are we going down that road?
896
00:39:27,689 --> 00:39:29,965
Absolutely, Derrick.
I think that that is
897
00:39:29,965 --> 00:39:32,448
a very plausible thing
that we could see here
in court.
898
00:39:32,448 --> 00:39:34,241
She's going to try
to separate herself
899
00:39:34,241 --> 00:39:36,896
from Mario Fernandez
and Henry Tenon.
900
00:39:36,896 --> 00:39:39,689
Now, we know that
Mario Fernandez owned
901
00:39:39,689 --> 00:39:42,379
a home where Henry Tenon
rented a room.
902
00:39:42,379 --> 00:39:44,034
And in fact, I went by
that home.
903
00:39:44,034 --> 00:39:46,586
I talked to Henry Tenon's
roommate about it.
904
00:39:46,586 --> 00:39:49,137
Very bizarre because
they said that Henry Tenon
905
00:39:49,137 --> 00:39:52,000
was just a quiet guy,
but he needed the money.
906
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,137
So there is the potential
here that Jose Baez,
907
00:39:55,137 --> 00:39:58,241
being a very talented
defense attorney,
908
00:39:58,241 --> 00:39:59,793
could paint
the picture saying,
909
00:39:59,793 --> 00:40:03,448
"Look, Mario Fernandez,
for whatever reason,
910
00:40:03,448 --> 00:40:06,344
did not like Jerry Bridegan
and plotted against him."
911
00:40:06,344 --> 00:40:08,586
And then he found somebody
that needed some money.
912
00:40:08,586 --> 00:40:11,000
That somebody would
be Henry Tenon.
913
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,137
And they did it because
those checks,
914
00:40:13,137 --> 00:40:18,137
there are three checks,
go from Mario Fernandez
915
00:40:18,758 --> 00:40:19,758
to Henry Tenon.
916
00:40:19,758 --> 00:40:21,689
We do not see Shanna in there.
917
00:40:21,689 --> 00:40:23,896
And then phone records
are huge in this case, too.
918
00:40:23,896 --> 00:40:25,965
That's a big piece
of the evidence.
919
00:40:25,965 --> 00:40:28,689
We're talking about more than
70 phone calls.
920
00:40:28,689 --> 00:40:31,172
-Yeah.
-And who are
the phone calls between?
921
00:40:31,172 --> 00:40:33,068
From what we know from
the documents,
922
00:40:33,068 --> 00:40:37,241
those are between
Mario Fernandez
and Henry Tenon.
923
00:40:37,241 --> 00:40:39,068
-Man, she's smart.
-Not Shanna Gardner
924
00:40:39,068 --> 00:40:41,379
-She has kept her hands clean
this whole time.
-from what's been released.
925
00:40:41,379 --> 00:40:44,551
Vic Micolucci, thank you
so much for being with us.
926
00:40:44,551 --> 00:40:48,000
This week marks one year since
the murders at
927
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,689
the University of Idaho
and the saga of
928
00:40:50,689 --> 00:40:53,586
suspected killer
Bryan Kohberger.
929
00:40:53,586 --> 00:40:57,689
This week, we think of them
and their families.
930
00:40:57,689 --> 00:41:00,758
On Crimefeed, we bring you
the biggest crime cases
931
00:41:00,758 --> 00:41:04,379
across the country and some
you may never have heard of.
932
00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:07,206
On behalf of Mara
and Derrick and myself,
933
00:41:07,586 --> 00:41:08,551
good night, friends.
934
00:41:20,241 --> 00:41:22,344
[inaudible conversation]
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