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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,896 --> 00:00:08,724 [narrator] This week on Crimefeed, Hollywood bombshell. 2 00:00:08,724 --> 00:00:12,310 A successful producer, son of a Hollywood power player, 3 00:00:12,310 --> 00:00:13,586 suspected of murder. 4 00:00:13,586 --> 00:00:15,275 The story is developing. 5 00:00:15,275 --> 00:00:18,586 And the Long Island serial killer case. 6 00:00:18,586 --> 00:00:22,275 The suspect is in jail, but are there more victims? 7 00:00:22,275 --> 00:00:25,793 And what went wrong that let the killings continue? 8 00:00:25,793 --> 00:00:30,000 And murder for hire, a Microsoft executive gunned down. 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,275 The prime suspect, the ex-wife and her new husband. 10 00:00:34,275 --> 00:00:36,310 It's now a death penalty case. 11 00:00:36,310 --> 00:00:38,172 This week on Crimefeed 12 00:00:38,172 --> 00:00:39,379 with Nancy Grace, 13 00:00:39,379 --> 00:00:42,517 investigative journalist Mara S. Campo, 14 00:00:42,517 --> 00:00:45,758 and private investigator Derrick Levasseur. 15 00:00:48,206 --> 00:00:51,482 What exactly does a famous Hollywood producer have 16 00:00:51,482 --> 00:00:55,275 to do with a woman's torso found in a dumpster? 17 00:00:55,275 --> 00:00:57,793 Well, according to police, a lot. 18 00:00:57,793 --> 00:00:58,793 I'm Nancy Grace. 19 00:00:58,793 --> 00:01:01,413 Thanks for being with us here on Crimefeed, 20 00:01:01,413 --> 00:01:05,724 the so-called "Nepo Baby," Sam Haskell IV. 21 00:01:05,724 --> 00:01:08,103 was arrested on suspicion of murder. 22 00:01:08,103 --> 00:01:10,586 He's the son of a high-powered Hollywood agent 23 00:01:10,586 --> 00:01:14,379 who repped the likes of George Clooney, Dolly Parton, 24 00:01:14,379 --> 00:01:16,379 even England's Prince Edward. 25 00:01:16,379 --> 00:01:20,896 His mother, a former Mississippi beauty pageant queen. 26 00:01:20,896 --> 00:01:23,689 Police race to the scene 6:00 a.m. 27 00:01:23,689 --> 00:01:24,931 Wednesday, November 8. 28 00:01:24,931 --> 00:01:28,586 A homeless man finds a dismembered female torso 29 00:01:28,586 --> 00:01:30,068 in a dumpster 30 00:01:30,068 --> 00:01:36,206 just five short miles from Haskell's home in upscale L.A. suburbs. 31 00:01:36,206 --> 00:01:41,000 Now, we know the wife and both in-laws of the Hollywood director 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:46,378 Sam Haskell IV, age 35, are all missing. 33 00:01:46,378 --> 00:01:50,000 The arrest comes 37 days since Haskell's wife May 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,620 or her parents have been seen. 35 00:01:51,620 --> 00:01:54,931 The torso does not bode well. 36 00:01:54,931 --> 00:01:57,620 Grainy surveillance video shows a man 37 00:01:57,620 --> 00:02:02,379 driving a white SUV struggling to fling a black bag 38 00:02:02,379 --> 00:02:04,896 from the trunk of the car in that dumpster. 39 00:02:04,896 --> 00:02:08,793 While the torso has not been officially identified, 40 00:02:08,793 --> 00:02:13,000 Sam Haskell IV, apparently obsessed with Brad Pitt, 41 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,482 according to TikToks he's posting. 42 00:02:16,482 --> 00:02:18,931 Haskell himself reportedly working with rappers 43 00:02:18,931 --> 00:02:22,724 like Tyga, Machine Gun Kelly, but try as he might, 44 00:02:22,724 --> 00:02:27,206 he never reaches his father's fame. 45 00:02:27,206 --> 00:02:28,482 Mara, what happened? 46 00:02:28,482 --> 00:02:32,172 Well, Nancy, the suspect's father, Sam Haskell III, 47 00:02:32,172 --> 00:02:35,275 has been a major player in Hollywood for decades. 48 00:02:35,275 --> 00:02:37,793 Sam Haskell, the father, joined the famous 49 00:02:37,793 --> 00:02:40,930 William Morris Endeavor Agency in 1978. 50 00:02:40,930 --> 00:02:43,724 He represented stars like George Clooney, Dolly Parton, 51 00:02:43,724 --> 00:02:47,827 Whoopi Goldberg, and even King Charles' brother, Prince Edward. 52 00:02:47,827 --> 00:02:50,827 Haskell is now the head of Magnolia Hill Productions, 53 00:02:50,827 --> 00:02:53,172 which has produced several Dolly Parton specials, 54 00:02:53,172 --> 00:02:56,000 and he specializes in family-friendly TV. 55 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,482 From 2015 to 2017, he was CEO of the Miss America organization, 56 00:03:01,482 --> 00:03:04,896 until he resigned over an email controversy. 57 00:03:04,896 --> 00:03:09,103 Now, Haskell's mother is also famous in her own right. 58 00:03:09,103 --> 00:03:14,586 Mary Donnelly Haskell became Miss Mississippi in 1977. 59 00:03:14,586 --> 00:03:17,586 With this high profile family, there will be a lot of people 60 00:03:17,586 --> 00:03:19,965 wanting to know every detail as they develop. 61 00:03:20,379 --> 00:03:22,172 You know, it's amazing. 62 00:03:22,172 --> 00:03:25,758 You know, this guy, Sam Haskell IV, 63 00:03:26,275 --> 00:03:28,206 had it all, okay? 64 00:03:28,206 --> 00:03:30,103 He's got this beautiful wife, May. 65 00:03:30,103 --> 00:03:35,379 He lives in a six-bedroom, nearly $3 million compound 66 00:03:35,379 --> 00:03:37,000 in Tarzana. 67 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,586 He... with a pool in the backyard. 68 00:03:38,586 --> 00:03:39,620 Have you seen this place? 69 00:03:39,620 --> 00:03:43,896 But yet, and I quote, he posts all these TikToks. 70 00:03:43,896 --> 00:03:48,000 My resume says unhappy, bitter, resentful. 71 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,379 I'm really surprised May didn't run from him 72 00:03:51,379 --> 00:03:53,379 as if she had seen a monster. 73 00:03:53,379 --> 00:03:56,275 Who wants the guy that says I'm unhappy, bitter, and resentful? 74 00:03:56,275 --> 00:04:00,310 Well, anyway, we're approached by him to get rid of some... 75 00:04:00,310 --> 00:04:01,689 -That's right. -...bags. 76 00:04:01,689 --> 00:04:03,275 He told them they were rocks. 77 00:04:03,275 --> 00:04:05,896 They look inside, they're body parts. 78 00:04:05,896 --> 00:04:09,206 Then he changes his story and says, oh, they're Hollywood props. 79 00:04:09,206 --> 00:04:11,413 They go to two police stations, Derrick, 80 00:04:11,413 --> 00:04:14,172 two, two, one, two, and are turned away. 81 00:04:14,172 --> 00:04:16,827 They're trying to report a dead body and no one will listen. 82 00:04:16,827 --> 00:04:18,793 Yeah, and there's another video that's recently surfaced 83 00:04:18,793 --> 00:04:20,481 where it actually shows that interaction with 84 00:04:20,481 --> 00:04:22,275 those laborers, where they show up and he says, like 85 00:04:22,275 --> 00:04:24,793 you said, hey, I got some rocks I want to have removed. 86 00:04:24,793 --> 00:04:26,206 It's three large bags. 87 00:04:26,206 --> 00:04:28,931 They take the bag. They said it feels like meat inside. 88 00:04:28,931 --> 00:04:31,275 -So they drive down the road. -You're so descriptive. 89 00:04:31,275 --> 00:04:32,241 Thank you for that. 90 00:04:32,241 --> 00:04:33,517 -I have that in my head. -That's their words. 91 00:04:33,517 --> 00:04:34,586 They drive down the road. 92 00:04:34,586 --> 00:04:36,793 They felt like something was off. They open the bag. 93 00:04:36,793 --> 00:04:38,896 They actually say they see a belly button. 94 00:04:38,896 --> 00:04:39,896 So they pack it back up. 95 00:04:39,896 --> 00:04:41,827 They take the bags back to the house. 96 00:04:41,827 --> 00:04:43,000 They bring the money. 97 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,689 They return the money as well, which is why this video 98 00:04:44,689 --> 00:04:46,206 that we're seeing on the screen right now 99 00:04:46,206 --> 00:04:48,793 is so interesting because I believe it was a deviation 100 00:04:48,793 --> 00:04:50,482 from what Sam originally wanted to do. 101 00:04:50,482 --> 00:04:52,724 He wanted to separate himself from the crime. 102 00:04:52,724 --> 00:04:54,482 He was going to, allegedly, right? 103 00:04:54,482 --> 00:04:56,793 He was going to have the laborers dispose of 104 00:04:56,793 --> 00:04:58,379 -the evidence, but instead... -Hold on. 105 00:04:58,379 --> 00:05:00,482 I gotta see that again. Wait, I like to see it 106 00:05:00,482 --> 00:05:01,620 -when you're saying it. -Yeah, absolutely. 107 00:05:01,620 --> 00:05:03,586 Yeah, that wasn't the plan I think when they return, 108 00:05:03,586 --> 00:05:05,275 -Yeah. -the bags, he realized, "Oh, crap. 109 00:05:05,275 --> 00:05:06,172 I have to do something here." 110 00:05:06,172 --> 00:05:07,620 I have to get rid of it. So that's why 111 00:05:07,620 --> 00:05:09,172 -he's on camera... -There it is, there it is. 112 00:05:09,172 --> 00:05:11,103 And he gets out. Watch this. 113 00:05:11,103 --> 00:05:15,413 And he basically is heaving... Struggling to get it out. 114 00:05:15,413 --> 00:05:17,896 He went all the way, he put the dead body. 115 00:05:17,896 --> 00:05:20,310 Allegedly in a plastic bag, 116 00:05:20,310 --> 00:05:22,689 which I love because it's covered in fingerprints 117 00:05:22,689 --> 00:05:24,103 and then put that in it. 118 00:05:24,103 --> 00:05:25,586 Uh-oh. Whoa. 119 00:05:25,586 --> 00:05:28,586 Little harder, little harder. There you go. 120 00:05:28,586 --> 00:05:33,793 Push, push, push in a duffel bag and then throws it away. 121 00:05:33,793 --> 00:05:36,482 [Mara] Yeah, and the story of how this came to police's attention 122 00:05:36,482 --> 00:05:38,620 is really remarkable. Like you noted the, 123 00:05:38,620 --> 00:05:40,517 the laborers said... you said it, 124 00:05:40,517 --> 00:05:42,068 they said it felt like meat inside. 125 00:05:42,068 --> 00:05:44,172 They described it as feeling soggy. 126 00:05:44,172 --> 00:05:46,275 So it didn't jibe with what he was telling them 127 00:05:46,275 --> 00:05:48,793 that there were rocks inside. Then, Nancy, to your point, 128 00:05:48,793 --> 00:05:50,275 they go to the police. They get turned away. 129 00:05:50,275 --> 00:05:51,827 You left out the Hollywood prop part. 130 00:05:51,827 --> 00:05:53,689 -Well, they take the bag... -They go back to him. 131 00:05:53,689 --> 00:05:55,517 Look in here. These are not rocks. 132 00:05:55,517 --> 00:05:57,517 And he says, no, no, no. This is for Halloween. 133 00:05:57,517 --> 00:06:00,103 These are props for Halloween. Well, they know something ain't right. 134 00:06:00,103 --> 00:06:02,275 They go to the police. They try to report it. 135 00:06:02,275 --> 00:06:04,793 Then the police say, well, you can stand outside 136 00:06:04,793 --> 00:06:06,896 the police station and call 9-1-1. 137 00:06:06,896 --> 00:06:09,379 And in fact, in audio that has been obtained, 138 00:06:09,379 --> 00:06:12,379 you hear a 9-1-1 dispatcher reporting what they're saying, 139 00:06:12,379 --> 00:06:14,172 but saying the person reporting it is outside 140 00:06:14,172 --> 00:06:15,379 the police station. 141 00:06:15,379 --> 00:06:18,793 So then police respond to the home based on these reports, 142 00:06:18,793 --> 00:06:20,068 and they find nothing. 143 00:06:20,068 --> 00:06:21,586 Because at that time, he's moved the bags. 144 00:06:21,586 --> 00:06:24,000 So they don't have cause to go in the house. 145 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,206 [Nancy] Okay, right there, I got a problem. 146 00:06:26,206 --> 00:06:29,275 And this is my legal problem with that. 147 00:06:29,275 --> 00:06:32,689 You don't have to see the crime. 148 00:06:32,689 --> 00:06:35,896 If you have information that an emergency is happening, 149 00:06:35,896 --> 00:06:40,482 such as another person is being cut up inside 150 00:06:40,482 --> 00:06:43,517 that multi-million dollar Hollywood home, 151 00:06:43,517 --> 00:06:47,000 you can go in if you think an emergency has happened. 152 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,827 Some people call it exigent circumstance when you, 153 00:06:50,827 --> 00:06:54,275 and it came from an old moonshiner case by the way, US v. Carroll, 154 00:06:54,275 --> 00:06:56,275 when they were trying to catch a moonshiner, 155 00:06:56,275 --> 00:06:57,896 they thought they were going to get rid of the evidence. 156 00:06:57,896 --> 00:07:00,793 And he did, but in a way it's a good thing 157 00:07:00,793 --> 00:07:02,103 or we wouldn't have that video. 158 00:07:02,103 --> 00:07:03,896 Yeah, and they did eventually get in. 159 00:07:03,896 --> 00:07:05,000 [Derrick] Obviously, they went back to the house. 160 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,068 They get this video. 161 00:07:06,068 --> 00:07:07,689 They go to the house, and they end up finding 162 00:07:07,689 --> 00:07:09,931 a variety of evidence, including blood. 163 00:07:09,931 --> 00:07:11,586 -Which they won't reveal. -They won't reveal. 164 00:07:11,586 --> 00:07:14,103 But you can expect that right now with an open investigation. 165 00:07:14,103 --> 00:07:16,172 But they find, allegedly, a ton of blood 166 00:07:16,172 --> 00:07:18,379 that suggests a killing and a dismemberment. 167 00:07:18,379 --> 00:07:20,896 But I don't want to skate over the fact that we still have 168 00:07:20,896 --> 00:07:23,000 two individuals, May's parents, that are missing. 169 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,275 There were three large bags. I don't want to go there yet. 170 00:07:25,275 --> 00:07:27,000 I'm hoping for a positive outcome. 171 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,482 But on the surface, it doesn't look good. 172 00:07:28,482 --> 00:07:33,206 Okay, you've got 64-year-old Yanxiang Wang, the mother. 173 00:07:33,206 --> 00:07:36,896 You've got 72-year-old Gaoshan Li, 174 00:07:36,896 --> 00:07:40,413 both missing and they all lived together. 175 00:07:40,413 --> 00:07:41,413 That's right and they would have been home 176 00:07:41,413 --> 00:07:42,620 during the time in this would have occurred. 177 00:07:42,620 --> 00:07:45,379 -It's not-- -And there's three children. 178 00:07:45,379 --> 00:07:48,172 It... three boys and they were reportedly 179 00:07:48,172 --> 00:07:50,413 with DFACS, Department of Family and Children Services, 180 00:07:50,413 --> 00:07:53,172 but now I understand they're with Mary Donnelly. 181 00:07:53,931 --> 00:07:56,413 Sam Haskell IV's sister. 182 00:07:56,413 --> 00:07:58,931 Yeah, the children, ages 6, 8, and 12, 183 00:07:58,931 --> 00:08:00,379 now they've been removed from the home 184 00:08:00,379 --> 00:08:01,724 and they're staying with family. 185 00:08:01,724 --> 00:08:04,620 It is worth noting that there was no identifiable information 186 00:08:04,620 --> 00:08:06,172 on the body parts that were found. 187 00:08:06,172 --> 00:08:09,586 They're certain, I guarantee you, because by now you can get 188 00:08:09,586 --> 00:08:12,724 a DNA quickie in less than 24 hours. 189 00:08:12,724 --> 00:08:15,586 They've gone in and gotten her toothbrush or something 190 00:08:15,586 --> 00:08:18,103 and compared it to DNA from that torso. 191 00:08:18,103 --> 00:08:20,103 I'm wondering, where's the rest of her body? 192 00:08:20,103 --> 00:08:22,206 And where are the parents, like you pointed out? 193 00:08:22,206 --> 00:08:23,000 Absolutely. 194 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,413 All that money and still miserable. 195 00:08:26,413 --> 00:08:30,103 Coming up, serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann. 196 00:08:30,103 --> 00:08:33,379 New leads in the hunt for even more victims 197 00:08:33,379 --> 00:08:36,000 of the alleged Long Island serial killer. 198 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,482 Will we ever know the truth? 199 00:08:53,896 --> 00:08:57,206 Breaking tonight, one woman after the next goes missing, 200 00:08:57,206 --> 00:09:00,379 then bodies and bags turn up hidden in rough, 201 00:09:00,379 --> 00:09:02,172 underbrush Gilgo Beach. 202 00:09:02,172 --> 00:09:06,275 DNA on those burlap bags and late night calls to escorts. 203 00:09:06,275 --> 00:09:09,586 Would they alone be enough to convict the alleged 204 00:09:09,586 --> 00:09:11,068 Long Island serial killer? 205 00:09:11,068 --> 00:09:14,172 But bombshell, new eyewitnesses emerged 206 00:09:14,172 --> 00:09:18,379 placing suspect Rex Heuermann with the dead women. 207 00:09:18,689 --> 00:09:19,965 Eyewitnesses? 208 00:09:20,275 --> 00:09:21,172 Awesome. 209 00:09:21,172 --> 00:09:22,275 Mara, what? 210 00:09:22,275 --> 00:09:24,482 Well, Nancy, as you know, Rex Heuermann 211 00:09:24,482 --> 00:09:26,275 is the main suspect in these killings. 212 00:09:26,275 --> 00:09:28,620 The 59-year-old architect and Long Island resident, 213 00:09:28,620 --> 00:09:31,275 who'd been working in Manhattan since 1987, 214 00:09:31,275 --> 00:09:34,758 has been credibly linked to a number of the murders. 215 00:09:34,758 --> 00:09:36,000 Let's take a look at his connection 216 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,931 to these brutal slayings. 217 00:09:54,689 --> 00:09:57,482 24-year-old Shannon Gilbert vanished after 218 00:09:57,482 --> 00:10:01,689 a chilling 911 call she placed in May 2010. 219 00:10:01,689 --> 00:10:04,758 Her desperate call for help kicked off a search 220 00:10:04,758 --> 00:10:08,896 that led to the discovery of 11 sets of human remains 221 00:10:08,896 --> 00:10:11,896 in the area around Gilgo Beach on Long Island. 222 00:10:11,896 --> 00:10:14,586 Over the span of three days spent searching 223 00:10:14,586 --> 00:10:16,620 for Gilbert in December 2010, 224 00:10:16,620 --> 00:10:19,413 police found the remains of four other women, 225 00:10:19,413 --> 00:10:22,068 all within 500 feet of each other. 226 00:10:22,068 --> 00:10:26,103 Between March and April of 2011, six more sets of 227 00:10:26,103 --> 00:10:27,172 remains were discovered, 228 00:10:27,172 --> 00:10:29,620 with police determining there was likely just 229 00:10:29,620 --> 00:10:32,068 one single killer responsible. 230 00:10:32,068 --> 00:10:36,793 Gilbert's remains were finally found in December 2011. 231 00:10:36,793 --> 00:10:40,793 It wasn't until over a decade later that Rex Heuermann 232 00:10:40,793 --> 00:10:44,379 was arrested, implicated by his Chevy Avalanche linked 233 00:10:44,379 --> 00:10:47,482 to one of the killings and a hair from the crime scene, 234 00:10:47,482 --> 00:10:50,689 likely matching DNA found in a pizza box 235 00:10:50,689 --> 00:10:52,448 discarded by Heuermann. 236 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:56,068 Well, Heuermann was taken into custody in July 237 00:10:56,068 --> 00:10:58,620 and has been charged with the murders of the three of 238 00:10:58,620 --> 00:11:01,206 the four victims who were discovered first in 2010, 239 00:11:01,206 --> 00:11:04,517 while police continue investigating his ties to the other killings. 240 00:11:04,517 --> 00:11:07,689 And, Nancy, those ties are what I really want to get into now, 241 00:11:07,689 --> 00:11:10,896 after a new bombshell just dropped in this case. 242 00:11:10,896 --> 00:11:14,482 Two witnesses have come forward since Heuermann's arrest, 243 00:11:14,482 --> 00:11:16,689 linking him to two more deaths, 244 00:11:16,689 --> 00:11:18,379 including Shannon Gilbert. 245 00:11:18,379 --> 00:11:21,517 That's the woman whose disappearance kicked off the search 246 00:11:21,517 --> 00:11:24,000 that led to the discovery of all these other bodies. 247 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,172 [Nancy] You know, in addition to those two witnesses, 248 00:11:26,172 --> 00:11:28,413 there are two other witnesses. 249 00:11:28,413 --> 00:11:30,931 Now, what's interesting about the witnesses, 250 00:11:30,931 --> 00:11:34,517 I want to see if you guys agree, a lot has been made of 251 00:11:34,517 --> 00:11:36,586 these victims being sex workers. 252 00:11:36,586 --> 00:11:38,896 Like somehow their lives don't matter as much 253 00:11:38,896 --> 00:11:41,931 as other victims, which I resent deeply. 254 00:11:41,931 --> 00:11:44,586 These victims are not sex workers. 255 00:11:44,586 --> 00:11:46,896 I mean, these witnesses are not sex workers. 256 00:11:46,896 --> 00:11:51,000 One is a bank worker working at a bank by day. 257 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,793 At night, she drives a taxi. 258 00:11:53,793 --> 00:11:59,000 And very "respectable" in that sense of the word. 259 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,068 So I find, I believe that it's going to be 260 00:12:02,068 --> 00:12:04,586 very difficult for a defense attorney 261 00:12:04,586 --> 00:12:08,896 to suggest that she is somehow tainted by her occupation. 262 00:12:08,896 --> 00:12:12,275 And her witness testimony is very solid. 263 00:12:12,275 --> 00:12:17,206 Now I know that very often eyewitnesses are attacked. 264 00:12:17,206 --> 00:12:18,896 That they didn't see what they saw. 265 00:12:18,896 --> 00:12:21,793 But this woman, one of these witnesses describes 266 00:12:21,793 --> 00:12:24,413 Shannon Gilbert, who before many people said, 267 00:12:24,413 --> 00:12:25,862 oh, she was just there as a coincidence, 268 00:12:25,862 --> 00:12:26,931 which doesn't make any sense. 269 00:12:26,931 --> 00:12:30,275 She describes Shannon with Rex Heuermann 270 00:12:30,275 --> 00:12:32,689 right down to her droopy eye. 271 00:12:32,689 --> 00:12:34,896 Hey, could you pull up a picture of Shannon Gilbert? 272 00:12:34,896 --> 00:12:36,689 If you notice a lot of her photos, 273 00:12:36,689 --> 00:12:39,586 she brings her hair down over one side. 274 00:12:39,586 --> 00:12:42,000 She has a droopy eye. It's genetic. 275 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,655 And that witness even identifies the droopy eye. 276 00:12:45,896 --> 00:12:46,758 It's her. 277 00:12:46,758 --> 00:12:48,275 Yeah, the whole statement from that. 278 00:12:48,275 --> 00:12:50,896 You know, Shannon goes into the motel. 279 00:12:50,896 --> 00:12:52,379 She's there with Rex. 280 00:12:52,379 --> 00:12:54,793 Rex is gonna give her $1,000 in an envelope. 281 00:12:54,793 --> 00:12:56,000 He says, here you go. 282 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,379 It's sealed at that point. 283 00:12:57,379 --> 00:12:58,793 -He goes into the-- - [Nancy] Hey, there's the hair. 284 00:12:58,793 --> 00:12:59,931 Check it out. 285 00:12:59,931 --> 00:13:02,482 See, it's the eye that's covered up that was droopy. 286 00:13:02,482 --> 00:13:04,000 [Derrick] Yeah, she has a very specific characteristic 287 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,379 that would be identifiable, right? 288 00:13:05,379 --> 00:13:08,310 So, they're inside the motel, she opens the envelope, 289 00:13:08,310 --> 00:13:11,172 realizes it's a bunch of pieces, just shredded up paper. 290 00:13:11,172 --> 00:13:13,379 So, at that moment, when Rex allegedly comes out 291 00:13:13,379 --> 00:13:16,482 of the bathroom, she runs into it, calls for this taxi driver, 292 00:13:16,482 --> 00:13:18,586 and as soon as she shows up, she runs outside, 293 00:13:18,586 --> 00:13:19,758 and that's where it picks up from there. 294 00:13:19,758 --> 00:13:21,172 So, I think it's a pretty credible witness. 295 00:13:21,172 --> 00:13:23,068 It's funny, because a lot of people were saying 296 00:13:23,068 --> 00:13:24,517 initially they didn't know if Shanann was actually 297 00:13:24,517 --> 00:13:26,586 -connected to the Gilgo family. -Which drove me insane. 298 00:13:26,586 --> 00:13:28,620 -Which... -Like her dead body just happened 299 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:30,103 to be there with all of his other victims. 300 00:13:30,103 --> 00:13:31,275 -It looks like... -Allegedly. 301 00:13:31,275 --> 00:13:33,275 Yeah, it looks like it might be tied to it. 302 00:13:33,275 --> 00:13:34,517 It might have started all off. 303 00:13:34,517 --> 00:13:38,413 Well, the idea of this being a dumping ground for many killers 304 00:13:38,413 --> 00:13:40,379 came actually from the district attorney 305 00:13:40,379 --> 00:13:42,896 at that time, who was rejecting the idea of 306 00:13:42,896 --> 00:13:44,793 a single killer publicly because he didn't want 307 00:13:44,793 --> 00:13:46,103 to freak the public out. 308 00:13:46,103 --> 00:13:48,896 But there were 11 sets of remains found. 309 00:13:48,896 --> 00:13:51,862 Only three Heuermann has been charged with to date. 310 00:13:51,862 --> 00:13:54,000 But now there's the possibility that all of them 311 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,793 and perhaps more could be connected. 312 00:13:55,793 --> 00:13:57,586 So you have these two witnesses 313 00:13:57,586 --> 00:13:59,620 who have come forward with affidavits. 314 00:13:59,620 --> 00:14:02,000 There are also an additional two who have come forward 315 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,793 to an attorney, both sex workers who had encounters 316 00:14:04,793 --> 00:14:06,000 with Heuermann. 317 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,931 But the ones in the affidavits are the ones where we have 318 00:14:07,931 --> 00:14:09,689 the most detail, and these are the most compelling. 319 00:14:09,689 --> 00:14:11,275 There's the one that you mentioned, 320 00:14:11,275 --> 00:14:13,896 and then there's the woman who says that she 321 00:14:13,896 --> 00:14:15,896 and her boyfriend were swingers. 322 00:14:15,896 --> 00:14:19,000 -They pick up... -It was a detective by the way. 323 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,103 -NYPD. -There's so many 324 00:14:21,103 --> 00:14:23,620 layers to this story because her boyfriend was an officer 325 00:14:23,620 --> 00:14:24,896 and they can do what they want in their personal time. 326 00:14:24,896 --> 00:14:26,068 -Sure. -Not judging. 327 00:14:26,068 --> 00:14:27,103 Don't care. 328 00:14:27,103 --> 00:14:29,482 They say they pick up a sex worker in Manhattan 329 00:14:29,482 --> 00:14:31,482 to take her to Rex Heuermann's home. 330 00:14:31,482 --> 00:14:37,862 At a club called La Trapeze which was known for swingers. 331 00:14:37,862 --> 00:14:41,103 So they go there and they pick up a sex worker 332 00:14:41,103 --> 00:14:44,241 and they... because Asa Ellerup... 333 00:14:45,103 --> 00:14:48,931 Rex Heuermann's wife was pregnant at the time. 334 00:14:48,931 --> 00:14:51,689 And I'm sure she didn't want to hear anything about any swinging. 335 00:14:51,689 --> 00:14:53,931 Well, in fact, when they arrive at the house, 336 00:14:53,931 --> 00:14:57,275 the woman, the witness says she asks us if she wants 337 00:14:57,275 --> 00:14:59,000 to engage in any sexual activity. 338 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,172 And she says no. 339 00:15:00,172 --> 00:15:03,896 [Nancy] But I believe she said H-E-L-L N-O. 340 00:15:03,896 --> 00:15:05,689 -She had no interest in it at that time. -None. 341 00:15:05,689 --> 00:15:07,206 But what was there are many things 342 00:15:07,206 --> 00:15:08,482 that were interesting about this affidavit. 343 00:15:08,482 --> 00:15:10,758 But one of them is she recounts the conversation 344 00:15:10,758 --> 00:15:13,586 that she has with the wife and she says the wife 345 00:15:13,586 --> 00:15:16,620 tells her, "Rex brought me here to this country. 346 00:15:16,620 --> 00:15:18,689 Everything I have is because of him. 347 00:15:18,689 --> 00:15:21,482 I'm lucky he's rich." I guess rich is relative 348 00:15:21,482 --> 00:15:24,586 -and that she was afraid of him. -Bingo. 349 00:15:24,586 --> 00:15:26,862 So this raises a lot more questions. 350 00:15:26,862 --> 00:15:28,000 Why would she be saying that? 351 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,482 What did she witness in the past? 352 00:15:29,482 --> 00:15:31,482 And one thing we didn't mention there is that 353 00:15:31,482 --> 00:15:33,379 this witness and her boyfriend, the cop, 354 00:15:33,379 --> 00:15:37,482 they brought one of the victims, Karen Vergata, to that house. 355 00:15:37,482 --> 00:15:39,586 Karen Vergata was a sex worker at the time. 356 00:15:39,586 --> 00:15:42,689 They pick her up before going to the Massapequa Park home. 357 00:15:42,689 --> 00:15:45,379 They bring Karen to Rex and Asa, right? 358 00:15:45,379 --> 00:15:47,000 There's some things that happen inside. 359 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,758 They're allegedly reporting to this witness that Rex, 360 00:15:50,758 --> 00:15:54,103 Karen and the boyfriend go downstairs for a while. 361 00:15:54,103 --> 00:15:56,275 That's when that conversation happens. 362 00:15:56,275 --> 00:15:59,172 And then when the witness and the boyfriend decide to leave, 363 00:15:59,172 --> 00:16:00,896 they leave Karen behind. 364 00:16:00,896 --> 00:16:02,000 And according to this witness, 365 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,379 -as she's pulling away, -Right. 366 00:16:03,379 --> 00:16:05,413 they see Karen Vergata in the window. 367 00:16:05,413 --> 00:16:07,103 She looks like she's calling for help, 368 00:16:07,103 --> 00:16:09,000 and then she runs out of the house naked. 369 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,275 And what's so concerning about that is they didn't go back. 370 00:16:11,275 --> 00:16:12,689 And this man's a police officer. 371 00:16:12,689 --> 00:16:14,206 -Yeah, they didn't go back. They left her there. -And the woman says, 372 00:16:14,206 --> 00:16:15,379 we're just gonna leave her. 373 00:16:15,379 --> 00:16:18,413 And he goes, oh, yeah, they're just playing a sex game, 374 00:16:18,413 --> 00:16:21,103 -Yeah. Not good. -a sex game that apparently ends in murder. 375 00:16:21,103 --> 00:16:24,000 Guys, coming up, experts insist there are 376 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,379 more victims of the Long Island serial killer. 377 00:16:26,379 --> 00:16:29,172 Can family members reveal evidence? 378 00:16:41,103 --> 00:16:44,482 Their mothers, their sisters, their daughters go missing, 379 00:16:44,482 --> 00:16:46,758 then turn up in burlap bags 380 00:16:46,758 --> 00:16:48,896 along a lonely stretch of beach? 381 00:16:48,896 --> 00:16:52,896 Could Rex Heuermann's own family reveal clues about 382 00:16:52,896 --> 00:16:54,172 the murders? 383 00:16:54,172 --> 00:16:56,655 With us now, you should know him well. 384 00:16:56,655 --> 00:16:57,758 If you don't, you're going to. 385 00:16:57,758 --> 00:16:59,862 High-profile lawyer representing the families 386 00:16:59,862 --> 00:17:03,000 of two of the murder victims, John Ray. 387 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,241 Man, 388 00:17:04,241 --> 00:17:10,689 you blew me away with all that information about witnesses. 389 00:17:10,689 --> 00:17:14,344 Now are you telling me there's another new witness? 390 00:17:14,344 --> 00:17:16,378 There's several new witnesses, one of whom 391 00:17:16,378 --> 00:17:18,034 has signed an affidavit. 392 00:17:18,034 --> 00:17:21,482 Um, in that event, this witness, 393 00:17:21,482 --> 00:17:27,172 who I vetted for several hours and I believe is credible, 394 00:17:27,172 --> 00:17:29,965 and we have physical evidence to support it, 395 00:17:29,965 --> 00:17:32,586 was shot by Rex Heuermann. 396 00:17:32,586 --> 00:17:37,103 -Wow. -And that affidavit that she's signed 397 00:17:37,103 --> 00:17:40,034 has been turned over to the police. 398 00:17:40,034 --> 00:17:45,000 You know, I am stunned at the connection with Shannon. 399 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,689 That is very powerful evidence. 400 00:17:47,689 --> 00:17:51,275 And as a practicing lawyer, would you agree? 401 00:17:51,275 --> 00:17:53,758 We saw it in O.J. Simpson, where DNA, 402 00:17:53,758 --> 00:17:56,586 which I believe proved he was guilty, 403 00:17:56,586 --> 00:17:59,448 was attacked, claiming it was planted, 404 00:17:59,448 --> 00:18:02,689 it had been tainted at the crime lab, blah, blah, blah, blah. 405 00:18:02,689 --> 00:18:06,137 DNA can be attacked, and successfully. 406 00:18:06,137 --> 00:18:09,172 We saw Johnny Cochran do it, and he won. 407 00:18:09,172 --> 00:18:13,275 But when you pair DNA with eyewitnesses, 408 00:18:13,275 --> 00:18:15,172 that's a whole other ballgame. 409 00:18:15,172 --> 00:18:18,689 It is. I agree. And in Shannon's case, 410 00:18:18,689 --> 00:18:22,758 we had no idea, until this witness came forward, 411 00:18:22,758 --> 00:18:25,965 that there was any connection between him and Shannon. 412 00:18:25,965 --> 00:18:30,000 But there still lies out there the question of whether or not 413 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,379 her death is connected with the people we have accused, 414 00:18:33,379 --> 00:18:36,862 Dr. Peter Hackett being responsible for it, as well. 415 00:18:36,862 --> 00:18:39,379 But we now know of a potential connection 416 00:18:39,379 --> 00:18:41,689 between Dr. Hackett and Heuermann. 417 00:18:41,689 --> 00:18:45,965 And that comes in the police inventory of his house. 418 00:18:45,965 --> 00:18:49,241 They took what they deemed survivalist equipment, 419 00:18:49,241 --> 00:18:50,793 survivalist material. 420 00:18:50,793 --> 00:18:55,482 And Dr. Peter Hackett ran a company on Long Island 421 00:18:55,482 --> 00:18:58,344 -called Survivalist Dynamic. -That's right. 422 00:18:58,344 --> 00:19:00,172 And I'd like to point out, he has not been charged. 423 00:19:00,172 --> 00:19:02,896 He's not been named a person of interest at this juncture. 424 00:19:02,896 --> 00:19:05,586 But I guarantee you, if there is a cohort, 425 00:19:05,586 --> 00:19:07,862 if there is a co-defendant, they're going to get them, 426 00:19:07,862 --> 00:19:10,482 and they're going to sing like a canary to save 427 00:19:10,482 --> 00:19:12,000 their own skin, thoughts. 428 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,689 Can I just ask you a follow-up question 429 00:19:13,689 --> 00:19:15,482 on the new affidavit that's forthcoming? 430 00:19:15,482 --> 00:19:16,896 You mentioned that the witness said that 431 00:19:16,896 --> 00:19:18,758 -they had been shot by Heuermann, -Yes. 432 00:19:18,758 --> 00:19:20,448 and what were the extent of their injuries, 433 00:19:20,448 --> 00:19:21,689 and what was the outcome of 434 00:19:21,689 --> 00:19:23,655 the investigation at that time? 435 00:19:23,655 --> 00:19:28,103 The shooting took place years ago, and the witness 436 00:19:28,103 --> 00:19:32,965 was shot across the back of her neck, and in such a fashion, 437 00:19:32,965 --> 00:19:36,551 he missed, basically, but it left a scar on her neck, 438 00:19:36,551 --> 00:19:38,689 and you can see the bullet scar going right across her neck. 439 00:19:38,689 --> 00:19:40,586 -Wow. -And this was a sex worker as well? 440 00:19:40,586 --> 00:19:43,344 This was a sex worker, and I've since done the work, 441 00:19:43,344 --> 00:19:46,379 the legwork to find, this goes back many years, 442 00:19:46,379 --> 00:19:48,103 to find the police case number. 443 00:19:48,103 --> 00:19:50,655 We found it, and the only way that 444 00:19:50,655 --> 00:19:54,482 we can receive that evidence is by FOIA-ling the evidence, 445 00:19:54,482 --> 00:19:57,172 and we've done that as soon as I got the case. 446 00:19:57,172 --> 00:19:59,000 Did you say FOIA, Freedom of Information Acting? 447 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,068 -Yes. -Yes. 448 00:20:00,068 --> 00:20:03,896 And so that method is being used by me now. 449 00:20:03,896 --> 00:20:05,793 I don't know what the police have done with it. 450 00:20:05,793 --> 00:20:07,758 They may have done a lot with it. I don't know. 451 00:20:07,758 --> 00:20:09,758 as much as I'd love to talk about, 452 00:20:09,758 --> 00:20:12,275 the Federal Freedom of Information Act. 453 00:20:12,275 --> 00:20:16,448 Can we get right down to La Trapeze, the swingers bar? 454 00:20:17,482 --> 00:20:21,482 Yes, La Trapeze was a well-known swingers bar 455 00:20:21,482 --> 00:20:25,379 in its day, which goes back into the '90s. 456 00:20:25,379 --> 00:20:28,379 And the people that have come forward 457 00:20:28,379 --> 00:20:31,000 to tell me their firsthand experience with it, 458 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,758 that including the witness who went with Karen Vergata, 459 00:20:34,758 --> 00:20:37,482 indicate altogether that there are a considerable 460 00:20:37,482 --> 00:20:39,655 number of police officers who would go there 461 00:20:39,655 --> 00:20:44,000 and a considerable number of people from Long Island. 462 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,551 The only way you could go there is you had to have a partner 463 00:20:46,551 --> 00:20:49,034 and you had to leave with that partner. 464 00:20:49,034 --> 00:20:51,551 There were crimes committed there, all covered up 465 00:20:51,551 --> 00:20:52,931 because there were that many police... 466 00:20:53,379 --> 00:20:54,689 who were there. 467 00:20:54,689 --> 00:20:56,379 -So... -John, do you think... And there's a lot of problems 468 00:20:56,379 --> 00:20:58,000 with this case, and I think you could attest to that. 469 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,482 -Obviously, nothing was... -[Nancy] I don't see any problems. 470 00:20:59,482 --> 00:21:01,482 Yeah, nothing was digitized initially. 471 00:21:01,482 --> 00:21:02,551 It was kind of a mess. 472 00:21:02,551 --> 00:21:04,482 But do you think what you just hit on right there, 473 00:21:04,482 --> 00:21:07,172 corruption, right, being the big word, so many 474 00:21:07,172 --> 00:21:09,793 police officers from that community being involved 475 00:21:09,793 --> 00:21:11,586 with this sex-working activity, 476 00:21:11,586 --> 00:21:13,793 when this case actually started to come to the surface, 477 00:21:13,793 --> 00:21:15,275 when they started finding bodies, 478 00:21:15,275 --> 00:21:17,793 do you think that contributed to why this case 479 00:21:17,793 --> 00:21:19,000 was always put on the back burner, 480 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,689 why the investigation didn't go forward as aggressively 481 00:21:21,689 --> 00:21:22,689 as it should have? 482 00:21:22,689 --> 00:21:25,241 Well, just to start with this, you know, 483 00:21:25,241 --> 00:21:29,793 I've done 33 homicides, but I have a great deal of regard 484 00:21:29,793 --> 00:21:31,448 for the police as brave and courageous people. 485 00:21:31,448 --> 00:21:32,551 [Derrick] Likewise. 486 00:21:32,551 --> 00:21:36,896 And I, therefore, constantly had to withhold myself 487 00:21:36,896 --> 00:21:39,137 from drawing any kind of a conclusion that 488 00:21:39,137 --> 00:21:42,448 the police were willfully doing anything 489 00:21:42,448 --> 00:21:44,000 in this case, in Shannon's case. 490 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,896 I always gave them the benefit of the doubt. 491 00:21:45,896 --> 00:21:49,793 You cannot do that anymore with the evidence that we have. 492 00:21:49,793 --> 00:21:52,379 The... There is no question whatsoever 493 00:21:52,379 --> 00:21:54,862 in my mind that from the inception 494 00:21:54,862 --> 00:21:58,344 of this investigation until the task force was formed 495 00:21:58,344 --> 00:22:01,793 a little over a year ago, there was willful negligence, 496 00:22:01,793 --> 00:22:06,344 willful avoidance of evidence, willful cover-up of evidence. 497 00:22:06,344 --> 00:22:08,034 [Nancy] Guys, I agree that that's terrible. 498 00:22:08,034 --> 00:22:13,482 Agree, but can we focus on the serial killer for a moment, 499 00:22:13,482 --> 00:22:16,965 the alleged serial killer Rex Heuermann? 500 00:22:16,965 --> 00:22:19,137 Yes, we've said it a million times. 501 00:22:19,137 --> 00:22:22,000 We're beating a dead horse. Yes, some of the cops 502 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,103 are seeing sex workers. 503 00:22:23,103 --> 00:22:24,482 Yes, they didn't want to get caught, 504 00:22:24,482 --> 00:22:25,896 so they didn't want the FBI in it. 505 00:22:25,896 --> 00:22:27,172 Yes, there was a delay. 506 00:22:27,172 --> 00:22:30,103 Now, can we talk about the evidence in this case? 507 00:22:30,103 --> 00:22:31,241 There's plenty of that 508 00:22:31,241 --> 00:22:34,000 Yes, but I think what's concerning to people in terms 509 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,137 of the corruption slash indifference Is that 510 00:22:36,137 --> 00:22:39,103 how many other women potentially were killed 511 00:22:39,103 --> 00:22:42,448 because the police were not taking appropriate action? 512 00:22:42,448 --> 00:22:44,482 And in terms of the witnesses that 513 00:22:44,482 --> 00:22:46,068 you have, you also have a witness. 514 00:22:46,068 --> 00:22:48,655 You have two that were sex workers. 515 00:22:48,655 --> 00:22:50,448 One of them who said that they were 516 00:22:50,448 --> 00:22:52,689 frequently at the home and that the wife 517 00:22:52,689 --> 00:22:55,448 was very much aware at least that Heuermann 518 00:22:55,448 --> 00:22:57,482 frequently entertained sex workers. 519 00:22:57,482 --> 00:22:59,758 Can you tell us a little bit more about what 520 00:22:59,758 --> 00:23:01,586 she maybe did or did not know? 521 00:23:01,586 --> 00:23:05,103 That witness, who came forward, 522 00:23:05,103 --> 00:23:06,586 spoke to me at great length. 523 00:23:06,586 --> 00:23:10,862 And she spent, she said at least 20 times 524 00:23:10,862 --> 00:23:14,000 she serviced Rex Heuermann in his home. 525 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,689 She said that the wife was upstairs. 526 00:23:15,689 --> 00:23:20,137 It's a 1,300 square foot home. It's a teeny weeny bungalow. 527 00:23:20,137 --> 00:23:22,448 It'd be impossible for the wife not to know what 528 00:23:22,448 --> 00:23:25,241 was going on downstairs in a place like that. 529 00:23:25,241 --> 00:23:29,275 And she said that the wife was upstairs so much so that in one instance, 530 00:23:29,275 --> 00:23:34,103 the wife ran out into the yard, very angry 531 00:23:34,103 --> 00:23:36,379 at one of the sex workers who was there, 532 00:23:36,379 --> 00:23:39,689 because the sex worker had allegedly stolen 533 00:23:39,689 --> 00:23:42,241 the wife's iron from an ironing board. 534 00:23:42,241 --> 00:23:44,034 And there was a big battle over that, 535 00:23:44,034 --> 00:23:46,241 and the taxi cab driver had to-- or, rather, 536 00:23:46,241 --> 00:23:48,862 the driver had to-- They had to empty the car 537 00:23:48,862 --> 00:23:53,103 in order to find the iron, which, did not happen. 538 00:23:53,103 --> 00:23:55,793 But when you consider the clutterbug nature 539 00:23:55,793 --> 00:23:59,137 of that house and the way that woman kept things, 540 00:23:59,137 --> 00:24:01,689 it makes perfect sense when you hear that 541 00:24:01,689 --> 00:24:04,586 she was upset about an iron missing, 542 00:24:04,586 --> 00:24:06,103 but it indicates her knowledge, 543 00:24:06,103 --> 00:24:07,448 her actual knowledge of the sex worker. 544 00:24:07,448 --> 00:24:09,482 [Nancy] Well, wait a minute. She's upset about the clothes iron 545 00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:12,000 when her husband's with a sex worker? 546 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,034 I mean, 547 00:24:13,034 --> 00:24:14,758 that's bass-ackwards to me. 548 00:24:14,758 --> 00:24:17,172 I would be doing a backflip at my husband 549 00:24:17,172 --> 00:24:19,482 or with the sex workers. You can have the iron. 550 00:24:19,482 --> 00:24:20,241 Take it. 551 00:24:20,241 --> 00:24:21,965 I'd be mad if you didn't. 552 00:24:21,965 --> 00:24:25,275 But it tells me a lot about claims that the wife, 553 00:24:25,275 --> 00:24:28,103 Asa Ellerup, knew what was happening. 554 00:24:28,103 --> 00:24:30,586 But is it not possible, because one of the witnesses 555 00:24:30,586 --> 00:24:32,793 that you presented the affidavit for said that 556 00:24:32,793 --> 00:24:34,655 when she had this conversation with her, 557 00:24:34,655 --> 00:24:36,689 she said that she was afraid of him. 558 00:24:36,689 --> 00:24:39,586 Is it not possible that she herself is also 559 00:24:39,586 --> 00:24:42,379 a domestic violence victim, that she was almost like a captive, 560 00:24:42,379 --> 00:24:44,275 in a sense, that did not necessarily 561 00:24:44,275 --> 00:24:46,482 have choice in cooperating with him 562 00:24:46,482 --> 00:24:49,275 because she lived with a man she was terrified of? 563 00:24:49,275 --> 00:24:53,379 Anything's possible, but the overwhelming evidence 564 00:24:53,379 --> 00:24:55,793 is exactly the opposite of that. 565 00:24:55,793 --> 00:24:58,482 Consider, for example, in 2010, 566 00:24:58,482 --> 00:25:01,068 we have her emails back and forth to people 567 00:25:01,068 --> 00:25:02,275 across the United States 568 00:25:02,275 --> 00:25:04,241 when she deals with this ComCon. 569 00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:07,965 She was involved in a-- she'd dress up in a weird costume 570 00:25:07,965 --> 00:25:09,275 and that sort of thing. 571 00:25:09,275 --> 00:25:11,758 She's a perfectly happy lady, having a good old time, 572 00:25:11,758 --> 00:25:12,793 traveling around the country. 573 00:25:12,793 --> 00:25:15,689 She travels with her husband in various places 574 00:25:15,689 --> 00:25:17,137 to other states. 575 00:25:17,137 --> 00:25:21,034 And I have a witness who came forward who cut his hair, 576 00:25:21,034 --> 00:25:22,862 and she came with him, and she had her hair cut 577 00:25:22,862 --> 00:25:24,965 as well. That does not sound like somebody who's 578 00:25:24,965 --> 00:25:26,862 in an abusive relationship. 579 00:25:26,862 --> 00:25:30,241 And her comment when she was first confronted by 580 00:25:30,241 --> 00:25:32,172 the press when they came to her home was, 581 00:25:32,172 --> 00:25:33,344 it is what it is. 582 00:25:33,344 --> 00:25:35,689 Not, gee, the poor people that were hurt and killed 583 00:25:35,689 --> 00:25:37,793 and so on. It is what it is. 584 00:25:37,793 --> 00:25:40,034 -That's what she said, and now she's shopped, -A very different sensibility. 585 00:25:40,034 --> 00:25:43,172 according to her own lawyer, who talked to me personally, 586 00:25:43,172 --> 00:25:46,482 she's out shopping, trying to get a seven-figure book deal 587 00:25:46,482 --> 00:25:48,896 to be able to do a book and a movie. 588 00:25:48,896 --> 00:25:51,068 Well, I can tell you right now, somebody's gonna make 589 00:25:51,068 --> 00:25:54,000 a million dollars off of this, and it's not us. 590 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,103 -Not us. -It's blood money, blood money, blood money. 591 00:25:58,103 --> 00:25:59,034 You know what? 592 00:25:59,034 --> 00:26:00,137 You can have it. 593 00:26:01,068 --> 00:26:03,448 Mr. John Ray, thank you so much, 594 00:26:03,448 --> 00:26:05,034 not only for being with us, 595 00:26:05,034 --> 00:26:07,862 but for what you are doing to advance 596 00:26:07,862 --> 00:26:10,482 the truth of this case. 597 00:26:10,482 --> 00:26:14,586 Guys, also tonight, a loving husband, deeply religious dad 598 00:26:14,586 --> 00:26:18,172 of four, ambushed and murdered on a Sunday night 599 00:26:18,172 --> 00:26:22,034 on his way home from dropping off his two twins, 600 00:26:22,034 --> 00:26:24,103 his little daughter, strapped in the backseat, 601 00:26:24,103 --> 00:26:26,241 screaming for daddy. 602 00:26:26,241 --> 00:26:32,034 But was it a murder for hire plot hatched by his bitter ex? 603 00:26:42,482 --> 00:26:45,551 Welcome back, everybody. A Microsoft executive, 604 00:26:45,551 --> 00:26:49,689 a dad of four, shot and killed in a deadly ambush 605 00:26:49,689 --> 00:26:51,586 while he's driving his tot girl 606 00:26:51,586 --> 00:26:54,275 in the backseat of the car. Who would do that? 607 00:26:54,275 --> 00:26:56,482 Well, two years later, according to police, 608 00:26:56,482 --> 00:26:59,482 the murder mastermind is none other than 609 00:26:59,482 --> 00:27:02,275 the spoiled, rotten daughter of millionaires, 610 00:27:02,275 --> 00:27:05,103 his bitter ex-wife. 611 00:27:05,103 --> 00:27:08,793 On February 16th, Microsoft exec Jared Bridegan, 612 00:27:08,793 --> 00:27:11,275 a 33-year-old dad of four driving home 613 00:27:11,275 --> 00:27:13,482 with his daughter, Bexley, just two years old, 614 00:27:13,482 --> 00:27:17,896 when he asked to stop his SUV to remove a tire 615 00:27:17,896 --> 00:27:22,689 strategically placed in the center of the narrow road. 616 00:27:22,689 --> 00:27:24,689 Once Jared is out in the open, 617 00:27:24,689 --> 00:27:28,482 shots fly, riddling the young dad with bullets, 618 00:27:28,482 --> 00:27:31,586 his two-year-old girl still strapped in the back, 619 00:27:31,586 --> 00:27:33,275 crying for daddy. 620 00:27:33,275 --> 00:27:36,896 No robbery, no carjack, no kidnap. 621 00:27:36,896 --> 00:27:38,034 So what's the motive? 622 00:27:38,034 --> 00:27:40,448 Police say revenge. 623 00:27:40,448 --> 00:27:41,896 Mara, what about it? 624 00:27:41,896 --> 00:27:44,896 Yeah, Nancy, detectives linked surveillance video 625 00:27:44,896 --> 00:27:48,000 of a pickup truck at the time and place of the murder 626 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,068 to 61-year-old Henry Tenon. 627 00:27:50,068 --> 00:27:51,758 And after looking into his background, 628 00:27:51,758 --> 00:27:54,137 they made a shocking connection. 629 00:27:54,137 --> 00:27:57,586 They found that he rented a room from Mario Fernandez. 630 00:27:57,586 --> 00:28:01,379 That's the new husband of Jared's ex-wife, Shanna Gardner. 631 00:28:01,379 --> 00:28:04,379 They suspected Shanna and Mario hired Henry 632 00:28:04,379 --> 00:28:06,137 to pull the trigger. 633 00:28:06,137 --> 00:28:08,793 In March of this year, Henry pleaded guilty 634 00:28:08,793 --> 00:28:12,862 to second degree murder and agreed to testify against the couple. 635 00:28:12,862 --> 00:28:15,862 Both charged for playing a key role in the conspiracy 636 00:28:15,862 --> 00:28:17,448 to murder Jared. 637 00:28:18,379 --> 00:28:20,896 This morning, a Fourth Circuit grand jury 638 00:28:20,896 --> 00:28:23,896 indicted Shanna Gardner for first-degree murder, 639 00:28:23,896 --> 00:28:26,448 conspiracy to commit first-degree murder, 640 00:28:26,448 --> 00:28:28,896 solicitation to commit first-degree murder, 641 00:28:28,896 --> 00:28:32,068 and child abuse, all related to the murder of 642 00:28:32,068 --> 00:28:35,551 Jared Bridegan, Shanna's ex-husband. 643 00:28:35,551 --> 00:28:38,689 We will be filing a notice of our intent to seek the death penalty 644 00:28:38,689 --> 00:28:42,034 as we have also done in the case of Mario Fernandez. 645 00:28:42,379 --> 00:28:43,689 Wow. Okay. 646 00:28:43,689 --> 00:28:45,655 We also know the Florida death penalty 647 00:28:45,655 --> 00:28:47,793 has been announced and they don't play. 648 00:28:47,793 --> 00:28:50,758 All right. You get the death penalty sentence. 649 00:28:50,758 --> 00:28:53,344 You will get the Florida death penalty. 650 00:28:53,344 --> 00:28:57,172 But it's amazing to me that the ex-wife 651 00:28:57,172 --> 00:28:59,862 has been this bitter for this long, 652 00:28:59,862 --> 00:29:02,034 and she's got nothing to be bitter about. 653 00:29:02,034 --> 00:29:04,448 She's the one that wanted out of the marriage, 654 00:29:04,448 --> 00:29:06,482 and he's a devout Mormon. 655 00:29:06,482 --> 00:29:08,586 He did not want to break up the family. 656 00:29:08,586 --> 00:29:10,103 But she left, all right? 657 00:29:10,103 --> 00:29:12,586 She's remarried to a guy she met at the gym. 658 00:29:12,586 --> 00:29:14,689 Could you just surprise me one time, man? 659 00:29:14,689 --> 00:29:17,379 Just meet somebody in a book club or at the library. 660 00:29:17,379 --> 00:29:18,793 Why is it always the gym? 661 00:29:18,793 --> 00:29:20,586 Anyway, that's... There he is. 662 00:29:20,586 --> 00:29:21,793 He's smiling now. 663 00:29:21,793 --> 00:29:23,482 He's not going to be smiling long, 664 00:29:23,482 --> 00:29:25,551 -because the trigger man is... -No. 665 00:29:25,551 --> 00:29:28,482 Totally gonna rat the two of them out for a sweet deal. 666 00:29:28,482 --> 00:29:30,482 [Derrick] Yeah. No, it was, it was incredible what the police 667 00:29:30,482 --> 00:29:32,793 did here, obviously we saw at the top of the segment here 668 00:29:32,793 --> 00:29:34,896 that police identified a blue pickup truck, 669 00:29:34,896 --> 00:29:37,379 a Ford F-150. It had brown trim on it. 670 00:29:37,379 --> 00:29:39,793 With a silver toolbox, which is pretty specific 671 00:29:39,793 --> 00:29:42,655 and then Tenon was pulled over in August of 2022. 672 00:29:42,655 --> 00:29:45,379 -I believe, police knew he was one... -In a blue pickup 673 00:29:45,379 --> 00:29:47,448 -Blue pickup... -with brown trim and a silver toolbox. 674 00:29:47,448 --> 00:29:49,172 Yep, they brought him in for questioning 675 00:29:49,172 --> 00:29:50,689 and then it just it snowballs from there. 676 00:29:50,689 --> 00:29:51,896 They start to see the link. 677 00:29:51,896 --> 00:29:53,896 Obviously he comes in, they question him about it. 678 00:29:53,896 --> 00:29:55,793 He starts to tell them what they want to hear 679 00:29:55,793 --> 00:29:57,379 and then there's the financial records 680 00:29:57,379 --> 00:29:59,000 where Mario made multiple payments 681 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,965 to him in October of '22 682 00:30:00,965 --> 00:30:03,896 -You have cell phone records-- -I think by check. 683 00:30:03,896 --> 00:30:04,862 By check. 684 00:30:04,862 --> 00:30:06,068 -Yeah, that's great, right? -I mean, really? 685 00:30:06,068 --> 00:30:08,344 And then 30 cell phone calls as well in February. 686 00:30:08,344 --> 00:30:11,758 But here's the problem in securing a conviction for Shanna. 687 00:30:11,758 --> 00:30:14,000 So she's the one with all the family money. 688 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,655 She has now hired a very high-profile attorney 689 00:30:16,655 --> 00:30:18,482 -Jose Baez. -You might have heard of her, Nancy. 690 00:30:18,482 --> 00:30:20,896 -He represented-- -Who's Jose Baez? 691 00:30:20,896 --> 00:30:23,862 He represented Casey Anthony, he represented Aaron Hernandez 692 00:30:23,862 --> 00:30:26,137 on the time he was acquitted. Not when he was convicted 693 00:30:26,137 --> 00:30:28,551 of murder. So she brings in this very high-profile-- 694 00:30:28,551 --> 00:30:30,655 There are so many trials to pick from with Aaron Hernandez. 695 00:30:30,655 --> 00:30:32,689 She brings in this very high-profile attorney. 696 00:30:32,689 --> 00:30:34,448 The husband does not have that 697 00:30:34,448 --> 00:30:35,862 and he does not have the family money 698 00:30:35,862 --> 00:30:39,551 and he's the one who has all the links to the hitman. 699 00:30:39,551 --> 00:30:40,586 [Nancy] And he doesn't have any motive... 700 00:30:40,586 --> 00:30:41,896 [Mara] He's the one who does the checks. 701 00:30:41,896 --> 00:30:43,758 ...but what's his motive? What's he mad about? 702 00:30:43,758 --> 00:30:44,896 [Mara] But I think if I were the husband, 703 00:30:44,896 --> 00:30:47,000 I'd be very concerned because you have the hitman 704 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,068 flipping on the two of them. But if she then flips on 705 00:30:50,068 --> 00:30:51,896 the husband and says I knew nothing 706 00:30:51,896 --> 00:30:54,586 about this and there's nothing tying me directly to it. 707 00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:58,103 Then in that case, it's just him alone saying, 708 00:30:58,103 --> 00:30:59,379 "No, no, no, it was really her all along." 709 00:30:59,379 --> 00:31:01,379 But is that gonna be enough to secure a conviction? 710 00:31:01,379 --> 00:31:06,000 Well, I'm telling you, she's the one that dragged Bridegan, 711 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,793 Jared Bridegan, the husband, to court. 712 00:31:07,793 --> 00:31:10,896 And you know who's going to be the best witness on that? 713 00:31:10,896 --> 00:31:13,482 The current wife, Kirsten Bridegan. 714 00:31:13,482 --> 00:31:18,344 Can you roll her speaking about her daughter? 715 00:31:18,344 --> 00:31:21,551 In a deeply emotional day like this, what do you tell 716 00:31:21,551 --> 00:31:24,448 your children about today and the results of today? 717 00:31:26,103 --> 00:31:29,275 London is too young to know anything. 718 00:31:29,275 --> 00:31:31,241 Bexley is older. 719 00:31:31,241 --> 00:31:32,379 She was there. 720 00:31:32,379 --> 00:31:35,689 She's been part of this since they decided to kill 721 00:31:35,689 --> 00:31:37,000 her father in front of her. 722 00:31:37,275 --> 00:31:38,482 Um... 723 00:31:38,482 --> 00:31:42,482 I have to keep it in simple terms 'cause she's only four. 724 00:31:42,482 --> 00:31:45,448 She knows that two bad guys have been put in jail 725 00:31:45,448 --> 00:31:47,862 and this morning I was able to tell her that... 726 00:31:49,379 --> 00:31:51,689 who she refers to as the mean mom, 727 00:31:51,689 --> 00:31:54,379 is going to be in jail as well. 728 00:31:54,379 --> 00:31:57,551 For the past year and a half, Liam and Abby 729 00:31:57,551 --> 00:32:01,965 have been isolated and kept away from us 730 00:32:01,965 --> 00:32:04,103 while they lived with their mother, their stepdad, 731 00:32:04,103 --> 00:32:05,965 and their maternal grandparents. 732 00:32:07,275 --> 00:32:10,862 Despite my constant requests to see or speak to them, 733 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,862 [clears throat] I have been denied and continuously ignored. 734 00:32:16,896 --> 00:32:20,034 So I will take this opportunity to do it again. 735 00:32:20,034 --> 00:32:21,068 [sniffles] 736 00:32:22,103 --> 00:32:25,103 I plead with the Gardners to put the emotional 737 00:32:26,172 --> 00:32:29,689 and mental well-being of Liam, Abby above all else 738 00:32:29,689 --> 00:32:31,655 and allow them to reconnect with us. 739 00:32:32,586 --> 00:32:35,275 You know, real quickly, I know that some people 740 00:32:35,275 --> 00:32:36,379 might be looking at us saying, 741 00:32:36,379 --> 00:32:38,275 Tenon's only getting 15 years in prison for this. 742 00:32:38,275 --> 00:32:39,344 He pulled the trigger. 743 00:32:39,344 --> 00:32:40,862 But think about what Melissa Nelson already said. 744 00:32:40,862 --> 00:32:44,034 He was the single link to Gardner and Fernandez. 745 00:32:44,034 --> 00:32:45,758 Without him, they don't have anything. 746 00:32:45,758 --> 00:32:48,068 So I understand that it seems light. 747 00:32:48,068 --> 00:32:50,103 -But like you said earlier, they're going death penalty. -Can I tell you something? 748 00:32:50,103 --> 00:32:52,482 This is what I learned, I learned it the hard way. 749 00:32:52,482 --> 00:32:55,689 Sometimes you gotta go to hell to get the witness 750 00:32:55,689 --> 00:32:57,793 -Right. -to put the devil in jail. 751 00:32:57,793 --> 00:32:59,965 So, sometimes you gotta eat a dirt sandwich 752 00:32:59,965 --> 00:33:01,482 and take a plea just like that. 753 00:33:01,482 --> 00:33:03,793 Guys, coming up, the Florida death penalty 754 00:33:03,793 --> 00:33:06,793 for two of the alleged perps while the admitted trigger man 755 00:33:06,793 --> 00:33:10,000 is set to point the finger at the ex. 756 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,344 When we come back. 757 00:33:17,758 --> 00:33:21,379 It was pretty clear that someone knew his route, his schedule. 758 00:33:21,379 --> 00:33:23,275 I have felt since the beginning 759 00:33:23,275 --> 00:33:25,137 that this was planned, 760 00:33:25,137 --> 00:33:28,689 this was thought out, and this was specific to Jared. 761 00:33:28,689 --> 00:33:31,793 So I am not surprised that they announced 762 00:33:31,793 --> 00:33:34,448 that Henry Tenon, someone that we've never heard of 763 00:33:34,448 --> 00:33:37,586 that Jared did not know, wasn't alone in this. 764 00:33:37,586 --> 00:33:40,793 It's frightening, frankly, that there is a connection 765 00:33:40,793 --> 00:33:43,034 and that there is this mass conspiracy. 766 00:33:43,034 --> 00:33:45,862 It does not help us sleep at night. 767 00:33:46,758 --> 00:33:49,275 The high-profile lawyer who repped top mom 768 00:33:49,275 --> 00:33:51,275 Casey Anthony in charges she murdered 769 00:33:51,275 --> 00:33:53,482 her two-year-old little girl, Kelly. 770 00:33:53,482 --> 00:33:55,896 He also repped convicted serial killer 771 00:33:55,896 --> 00:33:58,586 and NFL star Aaron Hernandez. 772 00:33:58,586 --> 00:34:01,758 Jose Baez enters the fray representing the ex-wife, 773 00:34:01,758 --> 00:34:02,965 Shanna Gardner. 774 00:34:02,965 --> 00:34:04,793 She's facing the death penalty 775 00:34:04,793 --> 00:34:06,965 for allegedly planning the murder of 776 00:34:06,965 --> 00:34:09,688 her ex-husband with her new husband 777 00:34:09,688 --> 00:34:11,379 that she met at the gym. 778 00:34:11,379 --> 00:34:16,482 What, if anything, does that mean for the state's case? 779 00:34:16,482 --> 00:34:20,068 With us now, Vic Micolucci from Jacksonville, Florida, 780 00:34:20,068 --> 00:34:22,551 TV station, WJXT. 781 00:34:22,551 --> 00:34:24,793 Vic, it's great to see you. 782 00:34:24,793 --> 00:34:27,379 You've been on this case from the very beginning, 783 00:34:27,379 --> 00:34:29,379 and a lot of people are saying, "Oh, well, 784 00:34:29,379 --> 00:34:32,034 how is Shannon Gardner really tied into this?" 785 00:34:32,034 --> 00:34:33,275 I'll tell you how. 786 00:34:33,275 --> 00:34:36,757 She knew he was coming to her home that Sunday night 787 00:34:36,757 --> 00:34:40,655 to drop off his two twins from their marriage. 788 00:34:40,655 --> 00:34:43,896 She knew his route home, that basically 789 00:34:43,896 --> 00:34:46,482 a very narrow, almost a one-way street 790 00:34:46,482 --> 00:34:49,275 he took every Sunday on the way home, 791 00:34:49,275 --> 00:34:52,688 and somebody had placed that tire there. 792 00:34:52,688 --> 00:34:53,965 Thanks for being with us. 793 00:34:53,965 --> 00:34:58,137 And this year is marking one year since this all went down. 794 00:34:58,137 --> 00:34:59,862 So let me ask you this. 795 00:34:59,862 --> 00:35:01,034 What do you make of it? 796 00:35:01,034 --> 00:35:03,862 Is there enough to put the bitter ex 797 00:35:03,862 --> 00:35:06,655 Shanna Gardner behind bars? 798 00:35:06,655 --> 00:35:09,379 Well, first of all, this is such a heartbreaking case 799 00:35:09,379 --> 00:35:11,758 and our heart goes out to the family members 800 00:35:11,758 --> 00:35:14,689 and all the people devastated by this. 801 00:35:14,689 --> 00:35:17,586 It is so bizarre here when you think about it, 802 00:35:17,586 --> 00:35:20,896 but there are a lot of fingers pointing at Shanna Gardner. 803 00:35:20,896 --> 00:35:23,793 And from the very beginning, before we were even able 804 00:35:23,793 --> 00:35:26,586 to report it, people were reaching out to me, 805 00:35:26,586 --> 00:35:29,551 they were reaching out to other journalists saying, 806 00:35:29,551 --> 00:35:30,758 we know who did this. 807 00:35:30,758 --> 00:35:33,551 And if you look at the facts of the case, 808 00:35:33,551 --> 00:35:35,379 Jared Bridegan was leaving after 809 00:35:35,379 --> 00:35:39,586 dropping off the twins that he shared with Shanna Gardner 810 00:35:39,586 --> 00:35:41,379 at Shanna and Mario's house. 811 00:35:41,379 --> 00:35:44,793 He was taking a specified route which he took to his home 812 00:35:44,793 --> 00:35:48,517 which is in another city and it goes down into 813 00:35:48,896 --> 00:35:50,344 a wooded area. 814 00:35:50,344 --> 00:35:52,344 And it's really one of the few wooded areas 815 00:35:52,344 --> 00:35:55,448 in this beach coastal town that is Jacksonville Beach. 816 00:35:55,448 --> 00:35:56,482 And that's where it's dark. 817 00:35:56,482 --> 00:35:58,482 That's where there's not a lot of cameras. 818 00:35:58,482 --> 00:36:02,275 That's where you've got this little one lane narrow road. 819 00:36:02,275 --> 00:36:04,275 And he runs into this tire. 820 00:36:04,275 --> 00:36:07,482 And I think that's just what really had people thinking 821 00:36:07,482 --> 00:36:10,275 this was not some sort of random murder. 822 00:36:10,275 --> 00:36:12,965 This wasn't a random thrill kill. 823 00:36:12,965 --> 00:36:16,379 This wasn't a robbery because he had his wallet on him. 824 00:36:16,379 --> 00:36:19,344 This was a planned, calculated attack. 825 00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:21,482 And we learned very early on, I think the week 826 00:36:21,482 --> 00:36:23,689 that this happened, I learned from the police chief 827 00:36:23,689 --> 00:36:25,379 and investigators that this was going to be 828 00:36:25,379 --> 00:36:27,758 a targeted murder. 829 00:36:27,758 --> 00:36:30,689 And you just have to look and trace it back. 830 00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:33,241 And you're going to immediately find out that 831 00:36:33,241 --> 00:36:35,896 Shanna Gardner is going to be a prime suspect here. 832 00:36:35,896 --> 00:36:38,896 You know, what's interesting is their horrible, horrible, 833 00:36:38,896 --> 00:36:42,793 tortuous, contentious relationship. 834 00:36:42,793 --> 00:36:44,689 And I don't get it, Vic. 835 00:36:44,689 --> 00:36:46,482 All that money from her parents who have 836 00:36:46,482 --> 00:36:50,034 that paper company, like party favor type 837 00:36:50,034 --> 00:36:51,000 paper company, 838 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,482 millions and millions of dollars. 839 00:36:53,482 --> 00:36:55,862 She's never had to work a day in her life. 840 00:36:55,862 --> 00:36:59,965 Why is she so bitter and resentful toward him? 841 00:37:02,172 --> 00:37:07,241 It's just a very, very long, bitter divorce and just 842 00:37:07,241 --> 00:37:11,137 an ugly battle for custody of these children as well. 843 00:37:11,137 --> 00:37:14,068 She wants to potentially move these children somewhere else. 844 00:37:14,068 --> 00:37:17,137 Jared Bridegan wants to keep them in North Florida. 845 00:37:17,137 --> 00:37:19,482 And we can see this by reading the court documents. 846 00:37:19,482 --> 00:37:21,275 They're not publicly available online, 847 00:37:21,275 --> 00:37:24,379 but I was able to read them, dozens of pages of them. 848 00:37:24,379 --> 00:37:27,689 And you could just see such a contentious divorce here 849 00:37:27,689 --> 00:37:29,655 leading up to this murder. 850 00:37:30,758 --> 00:37:32,379 There's medical conditions in there. 851 00:37:32,379 --> 00:37:34,689 There's allegations of abuse in there. 852 00:37:34,689 --> 00:37:38,275 She apparently locked him out of the master bedroom. 853 00:37:38,275 --> 00:37:40,344 Their house had all kinds of cameras so that 854 00:37:40,344 --> 00:37:43,068 she could potentially keep surveillance 855 00:37:43,068 --> 00:37:44,172 on Jared Bridegan. 856 00:37:44,172 --> 00:37:46,344 And Nancy, this goes back... 857 00:37:47,241 --> 00:37:50,448 a very long time, potentially back to 2015 858 00:37:50,448 --> 00:37:53,448 before they were even separated and divorced. 859 00:37:53,448 --> 00:37:55,793 And if you look at the indictment, you'll see that there 860 00:37:55,793 --> 00:37:59,000 are allegations that potentially she plotted to kill him. 861 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,000 She wanted to, quote, "Shut him up," as far back as then. 862 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,172 -[Nancy] Ooh. -So we're talking about it. 863 00:38:03,172 --> 00:38:05,482 [Nancy] That's what she said at the tattoo parlor, right? 864 00:38:05,482 --> 00:38:08,137 -Yeah. -Shades of Tot Mom Casey Anthony. 865 00:38:08,137 --> 00:38:09,689 She said, did you guys know? 866 00:38:09,689 --> 00:38:12,344 She actually said at a tattoo parlor, "Hey, 867 00:38:12,344 --> 00:38:14,793 you know anybody that could shut my husband up?" 868 00:38:14,793 --> 00:38:16,689 Yeah, that was while she was getting her genitals pierced. 869 00:38:16,689 --> 00:38:19,241 Okay, I wasn't going to say that 'cause I'm not judging. 870 00:38:19,241 --> 00:38:21,482 -But you, but you... -Oh, we gotta put out all the facts. 871 00:38:21,482 --> 00:38:24,344 In terms of questionable behavior, which maybe we filed 872 00:38:24,344 --> 00:38:26,689 that under questionable, Vic, I wonder if you have 873 00:38:26,689 --> 00:38:30,758 any details on Shanna's behavior after the murder that 874 00:38:30,758 --> 00:38:33,517 also raised eyebrows about her potential involvement. 875 00:38:34,586 --> 00:38:36,793 Mara, the behavior was very bizarre 876 00:38:36,793 --> 00:38:39,172 and I heard this from the Bridegan family. 877 00:38:39,172 --> 00:38:41,275 I heard it from sources in the case and I also heard it 878 00:38:41,275 --> 00:38:42,965 from neighbors. 879 00:38:42,965 --> 00:38:46,103 She was still out and about. She was going to parties. 880 00:38:46,103 --> 00:38:50,068 She threw a party around the time of Jared's funeral, 881 00:38:50,068 --> 00:38:52,034 according to multiple sources here, 882 00:38:52,034 --> 00:38:55,172 and I know that she was still attending parties 883 00:38:55,172 --> 00:38:56,896 in the Jacksonville Beach area. 884 00:38:56,896 --> 00:39:00,689 Given Jacksonville Beach is not used to crime like this 885 00:39:00,689 --> 00:39:03,586 in the greater Jacksonville area this far. 886 00:39:03,586 --> 00:39:07,448 So far this year alone, we've had 110 homicides. 887 00:39:07,448 --> 00:39:09,103 Vic, do you see any issues now? 888 00:39:09,103 --> 00:39:11,758 Obviously, Mario and Shanna have separated. 889 00:39:11,758 --> 00:39:14,586 We have the paper trail with the checks that were written. 890 00:39:14,586 --> 00:39:17,689 We have phone conversations between Mario and Henry. 891 00:39:17,689 --> 00:39:19,586 Now Jose Baez is on this case. 892 00:39:19,586 --> 00:39:22,103 Do you see a situation where Shanna is going to come out 893 00:39:22,103 --> 00:39:24,172 and say, "Listen, I didn't know what was going on. 894 00:39:24,172 --> 00:39:25,482 Mario did this on his own." 895 00:39:25,482 --> 00:39:27,689 Are we going down that road? 896 00:39:27,689 --> 00:39:29,965 Absolutely, Derrick. I think that that is 897 00:39:29,965 --> 00:39:32,448 a very plausible thing that we could see here in court. 898 00:39:32,448 --> 00:39:34,241 She's going to try to separate herself 899 00:39:34,241 --> 00:39:36,896 from Mario Fernandez and Henry Tenon. 900 00:39:36,896 --> 00:39:39,689 Now, we know that Mario Fernandez owned 901 00:39:39,689 --> 00:39:42,379 a home where Henry Tenon rented a room. 902 00:39:42,379 --> 00:39:44,034 And in fact, I went by that home. 903 00:39:44,034 --> 00:39:46,586 I talked to Henry Tenon's roommate about it. 904 00:39:46,586 --> 00:39:49,137 Very bizarre because they said that Henry Tenon 905 00:39:49,137 --> 00:39:52,000 was just a quiet guy, but he needed the money. 906 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,137 So there is the potential here that Jose Baez, 907 00:39:55,137 --> 00:39:58,241 being a very talented defense attorney, 908 00:39:58,241 --> 00:39:59,793 could paint the picture saying, 909 00:39:59,793 --> 00:40:03,448 "Look, Mario Fernandez, for whatever reason, 910 00:40:03,448 --> 00:40:06,344 did not like Jerry Bridegan and plotted against him." 911 00:40:06,344 --> 00:40:08,586 And then he found somebody that needed some money. 912 00:40:08,586 --> 00:40:11,000 That somebody would be Henry Tenon. 913 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,137 And they did it because those checks, 914 00:40:13,137 --> 00:40:18,137 there are three checks, go from Mario Fernandez 915 00:40:18,758 --> 00:40:19,758 to Henry Tenon. 916 00:40:19,758 --> 00:40:21,689 We do not see Shanna in there. 917 00:40:21,689 --> 00:40:23,896 And then phone records are huge in this case, too. 918 00:40:23,896 --> 00:40:25,965 That's a big piece of the evidence. 919 00:40:25,965 --> 00:40:28,689 We're talking about more than 70 phone calls. 920 00:40:28,689 --> 00:40:31,172 -Yeah. -And who are the phone calls between? 921 00:40:31,172 --> 00:40:33,068 From what we know from the documents, 922 00:40:33,068 --> 00:40:37,241 those are between Mario Fernandez and Henry Tenon. 923 00:40:37,241 --> 00:40:39,068 -Man, she's smart. -Not Shanna Gardner 924 00:40:39,068 --> 00:40:41,379 -She has kept her hands clean this whole time. -from what's been released. 925 00:40:41,379 --> 00:40:44,551 Vic Micolucci, thank you so much for being with us. 926 00:40:44,551 --> 00:40:48,000 This week marks one year since the murders at 927 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,689 the University of Idaho and the saga of 928 00:40:50,689 --> 00:40:53,586 suspected killer Bryan Kohberger. 929 00:40:53,586 --> 00:40:57,689 This week, we think of them and their families. 930 00:40:57,689 --> 00:41:00,758 On Crimefeed, we bring you the biggest crime cases 931 00:41:00,758 --> 00:41:04,379 across the country and some you may never have heard of. 932 00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:07,206 On behalf of Mara and Derrick and myself, 933 00:41:07,586 --> 00:41:08,551 good night, friends. 934 00:41:20,241 --> 00:41:22,344 [inaudible conversation] 77138

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