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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,152 --> 00:00:07,135 [reporter] This week on CrimeFeed... 2 00:00:07,135 --> 00:00:09,084 Did this yoga teacher commit murder 3 00:00:09,084 --> 00:00:12,135 in a fit of jealousy, as prosecutors say? 4 00:00:12,135 --> 00:00:15,305 Bombshells revealed in the case against Kaitlin Armstrong. 5 00:00:15,305 --> 00:00:19,288 A yoga teacher, a love triangle, and alleged murder. 6 00:00:19,288 --> 00:00:23,084 And justice delayed in the death of Shanquella Robinson. 7 00:00:23,084 --> 00:00:25,254 She died on vacation, in Mexico. 8 00:00:25,254 --> 00:00:27,440 Her brutal beating caught on camera. 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,491 But has no one been arrested one year later? 10 00:00:30,491 --> 00:00:33,237 This is CrimeFeed with Nancy Grace, 11 00:00:33,237 --> 00:00:35,237 Mara S. Campo, 12 00:00:35,237 --> 00:00:36,491 and Derrick Levasseur. 13 00:00:40,186 --> 00:00:41,389 Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. 14 00:00:41,389 --> 00:00:43,000 This is CrimeFeed. 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,254 And I wanna thank you for being with us. 16 00:00:44,254 --> 00:00:45,338 Breaking news tonight. 17 00:00:45,338 --> 00:00:47,389 She's glamorous, she's poised, 18 00:00:47,389 --> 00:00:49,084 she's a yoga guru, 19 00:00:49,084 --> 00:00:50,457 and she's deadly. 20 00:00:50,457 --> 00:00:52,440 According to Texas prosecutors, 21 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,186 the so-called glam yoga teacher, 22 00:00:55,186 --> 00:01:00,288 now accused of shooting a female love rival in the heart 23 00:01:00,288 --> 00:01:02,254 in a jealous rage. 24 00:01:02,254 --> 00:01:04,033 Mara, what happened? 25 00:01:04,033 --> 00:01:06,440 Yeah, Nancy, the prime suspect in a fatal shooting 26 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,000 became an international fugitive, 27 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,305 evading law enforcement for six long weeks. 28 00:01:12,305 --> 00:01:14,237 Detectives believe the killer was triggered 29 00:01:14,237 --> 00:01:17,491 by a burning obsession and extreme jealousy. 30 00:01:17,491 --> 00:01:18,474 Here's that story. 31 00:01:20,203 --> 00:01:22,254 [narrator] On May 11th, 2022, 32 00:01:22,254 --> 00:01:25,457 police discovered the body of pro-cyclist, Moriah Wilson 33 00:01:25,457 --> 00:01:28,440 in the bathroom of an Austin, Texas home. 34 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,389 The 25 year old suffered multiple gunshot wounds. 35 00:01:32,389 --> 00:01:36,186 And nine millimeter bullet casings were found next to her body. 36 00:01:36,186 --> 00:01:39,389 When investigators checked surveillance video from a neighboring home, 37 00:01:39,389 --> 00:01:42,186 they saw a black Jeep Grand Cherokee 38 00:01:42,186 --> 00:01:44,338 at the crime scene when the murder occurred. 39 00:01:45,084 --> 00:01:46,186 According to witnesses, 40 00:01:46,186 --> 00:01:48,440 the last person with Moriah before she died 41 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,000 was 36-year-old pro-cyclist, Colin Strickland. 42 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,084 And when police visited his home, 43 00:01:54,084 --> 00:01:57,084 they noticed something interesting. 44 00:01:57,084 --> 00:02:02,186 Parked in the driveway, was the same black Jeep that was caught on camera. 45 00:02:02,186 --> 00:02:05,288 Colin admitted he had a romantic fling with Moriah. 46 00:02:05,288 --> 00:02:08,354 But denied knowing anything about the murder. 47 00:02:08,354 --> 00:02:10,151 When asked about the Jeep, 48 00:02:10,151 --> 00:02:13,186 he said the vehicle belonged to his live-in girlfriend, 49 00:02:13,186 --> 00:02:17,203 34-year-old yoga teacher, Kaitlin Armstrong. 50 00:02:17,203 --> 00:02:19,491 After testing a gun belonging to Kaitlin, 51 00:02:19,491 --> 00:02:23,135 investigators determine the nine millimeter bullet casings 52 00:02:23,135 --> 00:02:26,203 found at the murder scene were a match. 53 00:02:26,203 --> 00:02:31,033 And Kaitlin emerged as the prime suspect in Moriah's murder. 54 00:02:31,457 --> 00:02:34,101 Well, Nancy, after 43 days on the run, 55 00:02:34,101 --> 00:02:36,084 the yoga instructor was arrested and charged 56 00:02:36,084 --> 00:02:38,338 with killing Moriah Wilson, in what police call 57 00:02:38,338 --> 00:02:40,050 a jealous rage. 58 00:02:40,050 --> 00:02:41,491 She was captured in Costa Rica. 59 00:02:41,491 --> 00:02:43,237 But take a look at this. 60 00:02:43,237 --> 00:02:45,186 Her strange behavior did not end 61 00:02:45,186 --> 00:02:46,406 once she was in custody. 62 00:02:46,406 --> 00:02:48,338 After she was arrested, 63 00:02:48,338 --> 00:02:50,406 Kaitlin tried to escape police custody 64 00:02:50,406 --> 00:02:52,288 during a doctor's appointment. 65 00:02:52,288 --> 00:02:54,389 She was apprehended about a mile down the road. 66 00:02:54,389 --> 00:02:57,000 Police said she was never out of their sight. 67 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,203 She had told them she had an ankle injury. 68 00:02:58,203 --> 00:02:59,406 But looks like her ankle was fine to me. 69 00:02:59,406 --> 00:03:03,186 Yeah. And she worked out, dressed appropriately, 70 00:03:03,186 --> 00:03:06,288 and charmed the prison guards in order to get away. 71 00:03:06,288 --> 00:03:09,084 Now, I can't give them an A for effort. 72 00:03:09,084 --> 00:03:11,203 Because she was shackled at the hands, 73 00:03:11,203 --> 00:03:13,288 if you look carefully at that video. 74 00:03:13,288 --> 00:03:16,084 And it took them a while to catch her. 75 00:03:16,084 --> 00:03:19,000 Did you see her jump over that fence? 76 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,033 So this in my accounting is the third time 77 00:03:23,033 --> 00:03:25,457 Kaitlin Armstrong has fled the jurisdiction, 78 00:03:25,457 --> 00:03:29,050 all over a man, 79 00:03:29,050 --> 00:03:31,033 Colin Strickland, 80 00:03:31,033 --> 00:03:33,135 who's been on the stand the last couple of days. 81 00:03:33,135 --> 00:03:34,288 [Derrick] Yeah. We really can't blame her. 82 00:03:34,288 --> 00:03:37,186 Because this case against her in my opinion is very strong. 83 00:03:37,186 --> 00:03:38,186 You have a little bit of-- 84 00:03:38,186 --> 00:03:41,033 But did you just say you really can't blame her? 85 00:03:41,033 --> 00:03:43,237 She knows she's going away. Think about what there's against her right now. 86 00:03:43,237 --> 00:03:44,288 You have digital DNA. 87 00:03:44,288 --> 00:03:45,440 You have the digital evidence of it. 88 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,050 You see you have her GPS coordinates from her cell phone 89 00:03:48,050 --> 00:03:49,491 matching her vehicle GPS coordinates, 90 00:03:49,491 --> 00:03:52,000 that was in the area Moriah was killed. 91 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,186 You also have the video that we just played here. 92 00:03:54,186 --> 00:03:56,033 You have her vehicle in the area as well. 93 00:03:56,033 --> 00:03:58,135 Then on top of that, it's enough you have DNA evidence. 94 00:03:58,135 --> 00:04:00,186 You have Moriah's bicycle, 95 00:04:00,186 --> 00:04:03,000 where you have Kaitlin's DNA found on the seat, 96 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,033 and the handlebar of Moriah's bicycle, 97 00:04:05,033 --> 00:04:06,135 which was later found 98 00:04:06,135 --> 00:04:08,050 in a bamboo brush area, 99 00:04:08,050 --> 00:04:10,084 about 60 yards away from the house. 100 00:04:10,084 --> 00:04:12,440 And finally, as you just said in the package, 101 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,000 you have the firearm, the shell casings that come back to-- 102 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,185 -[Nancy] Hold on just a sec. -Yeah. 103 00:04:17,185 --> 00:04:20,050 -That is an understatement. -That's the key. Yeah. 104 00:04:20,050 --> 00:04:21,338 I think it all fits together. 105 00:04:21,338 --> 00:04:25,135 But when you say, they expelled cartridges, 106 00:04:25,135 --> 00:04:26,440 this is really important. 107 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,000 This shows pre-meditation. 108 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,440 First of all, you've got her following Mo, Moriah, 109 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,338 up and coming world class competitor. 110 00:04:34,338 --> 00:04:37,152 And she follows her on Strava. 111 00:04:37,152 --> 00:04:39,000 -Which is a-- -Workout app. 112 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,050 [Nancy] Yeah. Workout app. 113 00:04:40,050 --> 00:04:41,237 But not only that, 114 00:04:41,237 --> 00:04:45,050 little did Colin Strickland, the love object know, 115 00:04:45,050 --> 00:04:46,203 or I guess he forgot, 116 00:04:46,203 --> 00:04:49,254 she could see all of his texts and emails. 117 00:04:49,254 --> 00:04:51,000 They shared apps. 118 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,389 They shared devices. 119 00:04:52,389 --> 00:04:54,491 So he could see her texting Mo, 120 00:04:54,491 --> 00:04:59,440 even though he put Mo's name under another woman's name. 121 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,186 Which, warning, if you find out 122 00:05:02,186 --> 00:05:06,288 your husband changes a woman's name to a fake name, 123 00:05:06,288 --> 00:05:09,237 you need a divorce lawyer right then. 124 00:05:09,237 --> 00:05:10,355 So she's stalking. 125 00:05:10,355 --> 00:05:13,355 And on that video, Mara, 126 00:05:13,355 --> 00:05:14,440 the video, 127 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,288 the night that Moriah is murdered, 128 00:05:17,288 --> 00:05:20,406 you see her going round and round, 129 00:05:20,406 --> 00:05:23,474 and round the murder scene before she goes in. 130 00:05:24,084 --> 00:05:25,338 Chases Moriah. 131 00:05:25,338 --> 00:05:27,135 And this is what I'm getting to, 132 00:05:27,135 --> 00:05:29,237 shoots her three times. 133 00:05:29,237 --> 00:05:33,135 The neighbor said he hears bam, bam, pause. 134 00:05:33,135 --> 00:05:35,305 And the third shot shooting her in the heart. 135 00:05:35,305 --> 00:05:39,000 And you know, all of this, of course, speaks to the motive. 136 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,288 What was the motive here? 137 00:05:40,288 --> 00:05:44,135 And what you had was, Moriah and Colin, 138 00:05:44,135 --> 00:05:46,186 had reportedly dated very briefly, 139 00:05:46,186 --> 00:05:48,338 while Kaitlin and Colin were on a break. 140 00:05:48,338 --> 00:05:51,000 But he didn't wanna cut off the relationship altogether. 141 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:51,457 So like you said, 142 00:05:51,457 --> 00:05:53,406 he changed her number in his phone. 143 00:05:53,406 --> 00:05:55,101 He would delete messages, 144 00:05:55,101 --> 00:05:57,084 so that they wouldn't come up, if she happened to look on the phone. 145 00:05:57,084 --> 00:05:58,338 [Nancy] She knows she's watching him... 146 00:05:58,338 --> 00:06:00,203 [Mara] But she's seeing everything that's taking place. 147 00:06:00,203 --> 00:06:03,101 And let's look at what Moriah represents to Kaitlin. 148 00:06:03,101 --> 00:06:04,440 It's not just any other woman. 149 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,237 Colin is a cyclist. 150 00:06:06,237 --> 00:06:10,135 Moriah is one of the biggest rising stars in that industry. 151 00:06:10,135 --> 00:06:14,101 In fact, Colin himself said she was the best female cyclist in the country, 152 00:06:14,101 --> 00:06:15,305 if not in the world. 153 00:06:15,305 --> 00:06:18,305 And of Kaitlin, he said, he didn't like riding with her, 154 00:06:18,305 --> 00:06:20,237 because she would hold him back. 155 00:06:20,237 --> 00:06:21,338 She was too slow. 156 00:06:21,338 --> 00:06:24,186 So here you have a 25-year-old much younger woman, 157 00:06:24,186 --> 00:06:27,033 who is a rising star in the field that he's in. 158 00:06:27,033 --> 00:06:29,084 And she just couldn't manage that jealousy. 159 00:06:29,084 --> 00:06:32,186 Her friends said, when she found out that they had been dating, 160 00:06:32,186 --> 00:06:34,440 she was visibly shaking with rage. 161 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,305 [Derrick] And think about that day, right. So as you said, 162 00:06:36,305 --> 00:06:38,338 the iPad, she's seeing the text messages 163 00:06:38,338 --> 00:06:41,084 and she's seeing Colin's actively lying to her 164 00:06:41,084 --> 00:06:43,084 about where he is and who he is with. 165 00:06:43,084 --> 00:06:45,152 So like you said, she's driving around that block. 166 00:06:45,152 --> 00:06:46,440 I think Moriah comes out of the home. 167 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,101 She's got her cyclist bag with her. 168 00:06:49,101 --> 00:06:51,084 Kaitlin confronts her and-- 169 00:06:51,084 --> 00:06:53,237 Wait, wait, wait. That's bass ackwards. 170 00:06:53,237 --> 00:06:55,440 So, Colin Strickland, the boyfriend, 171 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,203 and there's nowhere that's says 172 00:06:58,203 --> 00:06:59,338 they slept together. 173 00:06:59,338 --> 00:07:02,440 They went swimming at, I think it's called 174 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,457 little Eddy swimming area. 175 00:07:04,457 --> 00:07:06,152 Then they had a hamburger. 176 00:07:06,152 --> 00:07:07,237 -That's it. -Right. 177 00:07:07,237 --> 00:07:09,152 Then Moriah comes back. 178 00:07:09,152 --> 00:07:10,355 She goes in. 179 00:07:10,355 --> 00:07:14,491 And within one minute, after Strickland dropping her off, 180 00:07:14,491 --> 00:07:17,440 then you start seeing, uh, 181 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,237 Kaitlin Armstrong circling the area. 182 00:07:20,237 --> 00:07:22,152 -Then she goes in. -Yeah. 183 00:07:22,152 --> 00:07:24,457 That's when it goes down. But there's three bullets. 184 00:07:24,457 --> 00:07:26,152 So important. 185 00:07:26,152 --> 00:07:28,305 Because, I mean, pre-meditation can be formed 186 00:07:28,305 --> 00:07:30,000 in the twinkling of an eye. 187 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,338 The time it takes me to pull a gun-- pull a trigger. 188 00:07:32,338 --> 00:07:34,084 That's enough for pre-meditation. 189 00:07:34,084 --> 00:07:36,050 She shot her three times. 190 00:07:36,050 --> 00:07:37,186 Over a hamburger! 191 00:07:37,186 --> 00:07:38,338 With a man. 192 00:07:38,338 --> 00:07:41,000 You know what my grandmother said, Derrick? No offense. 193 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,491 Men, they're like buses. 194 00:07:42,491 --> 00:07:45,254 Another comes along every 15 minutes. 195 00:07:45,254 --> 00:07:47,135 -Not you of course, because you're special. -[Derrick] Yeah. 196 00:07:47,135 --> 00:07:49,440 But over a man having a hamburger. 197 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,203 Yeah. No, it's something where I agree with you. 198 00:07:52,203 --> 00:07:55,305 She shows up. I think she confronts. Kaitlin confronts Moriah. 199 00:07:55,305 --> 00:07:57,135 There's probably a brief conversation. 200 00:07:57,135 --> 00:07:59,101 I think at that point, allegedly, this is my point. 201 00:07:59,101 --> 00:08:00,254 [Nancy] Allegedly, yes. 202 00:08:00,254 --> 00:08:01,355 She pulls out the firearm. 203 00:08:01,355 --> 00:08:02,338 Moriah does what she can. 204 00:08:02,338 --> 00:08:04,288 She flees back into the apartment. 205 00:08:04,288 --> 00:08:05,389 Kaitlin pursues her. 206 00:08:05,389 --> 00:08:07,050 It goes all the way to the bathroom. 207 00:08:07,050 --> 00:08:08,338 And like you said, she shoots her twice. 208 00:08:08,338 --> 00:08:10,305 I think, one, she actually shot her in the finger. 209 00:08:10,305 --> 00:08:12,406 Obviously that's her trying to protect herself. 210 00:08:12,406 --> 00:08:14,355 The final shot is the execution shot, 211 00:08:14,355 --> 00:08:17,389 to ensure that she accomplished what she wanted to do. 212 00:08:17,389 --> 00:08:19,050 And then the door not being locked. 213 00:08:19,050 --> 00:08:20,101 I know it's a minor thing. 214 00:08:20,101 --> 00:08:22,084 But the fact that the apartment door was not locked 215 00:08:22,084 --> 00:08:24,084 -tells me that-- -Well, it didn't really have a key. 216 00:08:24,084 --> 00:08:25,457 -Yeah. -It's not a traditional key. 217 00:08:25,457 --> 00:08:27,338 It's a digital code like we see 218 00:08:27,338 --> 00:08:29,389 -out in the Idaho slays. -Yes. 219 00:08:29,389 --> 00:08:31,135 So a digi code. 220 00:08:31,135 --> 00:08:34,337 You know that video from the doorbell cam? 221 00:08:34,337 --> 00:08:38,236 -Mmm-hmm. -You hear Moriah screaming. 222 00:08:38,236 --> 00:08:41,033 Did the glam yoga teacher 223 00:08:41,033 --> 00:08:43,389 manage to charm her way out of the country, 224 00:08:43,389 --> 00:08:45,135 get a nose job, 225 00:08:45,135 --> 00:08:48,135 and hide out in a popular surf town in Costa Rica? 226 00:08:48,135 --> 00:08:50,288 Then, once back on U.S. soil, 227 00:08:50,288 --> 00:08:52,457 manage to talk her way out of the jail, 228 00:08:52,457 --> 00:08:55,135 to mount yet another escape. 229 00:09:01,033 --> 00:09:03,389 A jury hears a frantic 911 call, 230 00:09:03,389 --> 00:09:06,084 and then a desperate attempt to save the life 231 00:09:06,084 --> 00:09:10,050 of a super-star cyclist, Moriah "Mo" Wilson. 232 00:09:10,050 --> 00:09:12,338 Wilson died of multiple gunshot wounds, 233 00:09:12,338 --> 00:09:14,389 including straight to her heart, 234 00:09:14,389 --> 00:09:17,050 all over a hamburger. 235 00:09:17,050 --> 00:09:20,186 Yes. Yoga teacher Kaitlin Armstrong's boyfriend 236 00:09:20,186 --> 00:09:24,016 shared that hamburger with Moriah Wilson, say prosecutors. 237 00:09:24,016 --> 00:09:27,305 The stalking, the spying, the scheming, 238 00:09:27,305 --> 00:09:31,135 all leading to one thing, 239 00:09:31,135 --> 00:09:32,288 murder. 240 00:09:32,288 --> 00:09:36,033 Uh, joining us right now, a special guest, Brian Buckmire. 241 00:09:36,033 --> 00:09:38,050 Criminal defense attorney and legal analyst. 242 00:09:38,050 --> 00:09:39,118 Brian, thanks for being with us. 243 00:09:39,118 --> 00:09:41,254 First, I want you to hear this portion 244 00:09:41,254 --> 00:09:44,000 of the opening statements in court. 245 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,118 All of this is just alleged. 246 00:09:45,118 --> 00:09:48,169 Kaitlin Armstrong on trial for murder. Listen. 247 00:10:32,491 --> 00:10:35,254 Wow. Brian, what do you think about that opening statement? 248 00:10:35,254 --> 00:10:37,237 I mean, for that aspect, it was very good. It's emotional. 249 00:10:37,237 --> 00:10:40,084 You're getting it through the story of what they're anticipating to hear. 250 00:10:40,084 --> 00:10:42,440 And the passion behind it is very important. 251 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,135 I mean, we're all talking about these two shots, 252 00:10:45,135 --> 00:10:47,000 followed by a third, execution style. 253 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,016 And that's what's gonna really grip the jury to wanna listen to more. 254 00:10:50,016 --> 00:10:52,372 [Nancy] You know what's interesting? Did you hear the defense? 255 00:10:52,372 --> 00:10:56,033 The defense said, you know, DNA, that's not so much. 256 00:10:56,033 --> 00:10:58,135 DNA, eye witnesses, 257 00:10:58,135 --> 00:11:00,033 all that together, that means nothing. 258 00:11:00,033 --> 00:11:02,084 DNA, you know, eh. 259 00:11:02,084 --> 00:11:03,338 -Really? -It depends on DNA. 260 00:11:03,338 --> 00:11:05,186 Derrick and I were talking about this. 261 00:11:05,186 --> 00:11:08,474 We have children. I say, "Hey, when I walk into the studio, I will do this." 262 00:11:08,474 --> 00:11:10,288 This morning I was holding my son. 263 00:11:10,288 --> 00:11:12,237 Now this table has my son's DNA on it. 264 00:11:12,237 --> 00:11:14,440 So if you come and say, "Well, Brian Buckmire's son 265 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,152 was on studio at CrimeFeed," I say, no. 266 00:11:17,152 --> 00:11:19,254 For me, it's about the quantity of DNA. 267 00:11:19,254 --> 00:11:22,203 I wanna know how much, not just the fact that it's present. 268 00:11:22,203 --> 00:11:25,186 Interesting. Because for me, it's location. 269 00:11:25,186 --> 00:11:27,016 I don't care if it's a lot of DNA 270 00:11:27,016 --> 00:11:28,084 or a little bit of DNA. 271 00:11:28,084 --> 00:11:30,016 Because, maybe, you can answer this. 272 00:11:30,016 --> 00:11:31,474 You're the renowned defense attorney. 273 00:11:31,474 --> 00:11:33,338 Why do you think 274 00:11:33,338 --> 00:11:36,033 Kaitlin Armstrong who had never 275 00:11:36,033 --> 00:11:39,440 associated with Moriah "Mo" Wilson, the murder victim, 276 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:44,338 why was Kaitlin Armstrong's DNA on Mo's bike? 277 00:11:44,338 --> 00:11:46,491 On the handlebars and the seat. 278 00:11:46,491 --> 00:11:49,288 And then it was hidden in the bushes. Hmm. 279 00:11:49,288 --> 00:11:51,389 -So I'll play defense attorney. -Oh, please do. 280 00:11:51,389 --> 00:11:53,203 My wife's DNA is also here. 281 00:11:53,203 --> 00:11:57,338 Wasn't it that Colin was in a physical relationship with Mo? 282 00:11:57,338 --> 00:11:59,305 So just like, when I came here and I shook your hand, 283 00:11:59,305 --> 00:12:01,186 I'm sorry, my wife's DNA is on your hand. 284 00:12:01,186 --> 00:12:03,050 -[Nancy] I ain't counting... -I don't think the two of you are gonna-- 285 00:12:03,050 --> 00:12:05,016 -It's the way it is. -That's a good thought, though. 286 00:12:05,016 --> 00:12:06,186 -I respect that. -It's the way it works. 287 00:12:06,186 --> 00:12:08,254 And you might get once you are to actually believe it. 288 00:12:08,254 --> 00:12:10,186 [Brian] And that's all I need as a defense attorney. 289 00:12:10,186 --> 00:12:14,000 So your theory would be that Colin was with Moriah 290 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,084 and then he was with Kaitlin, 291 00:12:16,084 --> 00:12:19,033 although all he did was swim with Moriah and have a hamburger? 292 00:12:19,033 --> 00:12:19,694 [Brian imitates yawning] 293 00:12:19,694 --> 00:12:22,118 -Yeah. That's what... -I don't take a lot of my just friends 294 00:12:22,118 --> 00:12:23,237 to go swimming. 295 00:12:23,237 --> 00:12:25,135 I think the relationship's a lot more. 296 00:12:25,135 --> 00:12:26,084 But from my understanding, 297 00:12:26,084 --> 00:12:28,016 they also lived in the same house. 298 00:12:28,016 --> 00:12:30,237 -I mean, how many times are you walking-- -Who lived in the same house? 299 00:12:30,237 --> 00:12:32,389 Well, Kaitlin and Colin. 300 00:12:32,389 --> 00:12:35,203 But, to your point about them being more than just friends, 301 00:12:35,203 --> 00:12:37,338 what I think actually supports Colin's claim 302 00:12:37,338 --> 00:12:38,491 that they were just friends, is that, 303 00:12:38,491 --> 00:12:41,372 he dropped her off. She was staying there by herself. 304 00:12:41,372 --> 00:12:43,118 If he wanted to go inside, 305 00:12:43,118 --> 00:12:45,135 presumably he could have and he chose not to. 306 00:12:45,135 --> 00:12:47,305 -But in terms of what your-- -[Nancy] That's a good point, Mara. 307 00:12:47,305 --> 00:12:49,000 [Mara] Thank you. 308 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,237 Well, looking at her like a wife. 309 00:12:50,237 --> 00:12:52,050 -At least he didn't go inside. -[Brian] Well, she chose not to. 310 00:12:52,050 --> 00:12:53,237 [Mara] Perhaps. But... 311 00:12:53,237 --> 00:12:55,288 in terms of things the defense is gonna have to explain, 312 00:12:55,288 --> 00:12:56,389 how are they gonna explain 313 00:12:56,389 --> 00:12:58,237 fleeing to Costa Rica, 314 00:12:58,237 --> 00:12:59,389 using a fake name, 315 00:12:59,389 --> 00:13:01,389 reportedly using her sister's passport, 316 00:13:01,389 --> 00:13:03,050 getting plastic surgery, 317 00:13:03,050 --> 00:13:05,474 signing up for yoga classes under an alias? 318 00:13:05,474 --> 00:13:07,000 How are they gonna explain that? 319 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,033 So you can explain it one at a time, definitely. 320 00:13:09,033 --> 00:13:12,135 But as I was telling Derrick before, the jurors will start to roll their eyes. 321 00:13:12,135 --> 00:13:14,203 Because I can explain, hey, you flee to Costa Rica, 322 00:13:14,203 --> 00:13:16,186 the defense says, she does this, 323 00:13:16,186 --> 00:13:18,338 spur-of-the-moment trips to go and be a yogi. 324 00:13:18,338 --> 00:13:22,050 She's a 35-year-old-woman who is in her mind, cheated on. 325 00:13:22,050 --> 00:13:24,372 She does plastic surgery, 'cause she wants to look younger, more beautiful. 326 00:13:24,372 --> 00:13:27,338 Because this man clearly wants to leave for someone else, right? 327 00:13:27,338 --> 00:13:31,389 -But as I keep going-- -[Nancy] Why do men always make it about them? 328 00:13:31,389 --> 00:13:34,254 She did this because of him. 329 00:13:34,254 --> 00:13:36,016 And have you noticed, Mara? 330 00:13:36,016 --> 00:13:37,474 That we keep... Well, not us. 331 00:13:37,474 --> 00:13:40,016 Many people keep talking about 332 00:13:40,016 --> 00:13:42,084 Kaitlin Armstrong, Kaitlin Armstrong. 333 00:13:42,084 --> 00:13:44,474 What about Moriah? What about Mo? 334 00:13:44,474 --> 00:13:48,288 Her family has been in that court room watching. 335 00:13:48,288 --> 00:13:51,000 And how sick do you think they are 336 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,084 of hearing people say, 337 00:13:52,084 --> 00:13:53,288 glam yoga teacher. 338 00:13:53,288 --> 00:13:56,033 She ain't so glam with blood on her hands. 339 00:13:56,033 --> 00:13:57,152 No, I think we're gonna have a-- 340 00:13:57,152 --> 00:13:58,440 I think they're gonna get the outcome they're hoping for. 341 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,084 I know Brian might disagree with me. 342 00:14:00,084 --> 00:14:02,338 But Brian, I wanted to go back to the case because, 343 00:14:02,338 --> 00:14:04,237 I know you can break down each individual thing, 344 00:14:04,237 --> 00:14:06,033 the DNA, you can pick it apart, 345 00:14:06,033 --> 00:14:08,237 the-- her being near, why she was there in the first place. 346 00:14:08,237 --> 00:14:10,305 But, when you consider in totality, 347 00:14:10,305 --> 00:14:13,474 you have digital evidence, you have forensic evidence with the DNA, 348 00:14:13,474 --> 00:14:16,050 you have ballistics evidence as well 349 00:14:16,050 --> 00:14:18,067 and obviously you have the stuff after the fact. 350 00:14:18,067 --> 00:14:20,152 How, as a defense attorney, do you attack all of that? 351 00:14:20,152 --> 00:14:23,050 'Cause in totality, you have to admit, it looks really bad. 352 00:14:23,050 --> 00:14:24,305 It is, you-- you're gonna get buried 353 00:14:24,305 --> 00:14:25,474 by the weight of this evidence. 354 00:14:25,474 --> 00:14:27,440 There-- it is-- no way, shape or form you can get around this. 355 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,016 I-I think at best, as a defense attorney, 356 00:14:30,016 --> 00:14:33,016 you hug the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt 357 00:14:33,016 --> 00:14:34,423 and try to create some doubt. 358 00:14:34,423 --> 00:14:36,135 And, I think this case, 359 00:14:36,135 --> 00:14:38,338 largely feeds on who you selected. 360 00:14:38,338 --> 00:14:40,288 Sometimes, it's not the information you have 361 00:14:40,288 --> 00:14:42,372 -but who's receiving it. And I think this is-- -You mean the 12 on the box? 362 00:14:42,372 --> 00:14:43,389 -[Brian] Yes. -The jurors. 363 00:14:43,389 --> 00:14:46,152 One thing that really is going to hit home, 364 00:14:46,152 --> 00:14:47,440 you can explain away a lot, 365 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,152 but she used a fake name to leave the country. 366 00:14:51,152 --> 00:14:53,288 -She used her sister's passport. -[Derrick] Yeah. 367 00:14:53,288 --> 00:14:57,135 So far, her sister has not been implicated in any crime. 368 00:14:57,135 --> 00:15:00,389 But, the fact that you leave the country under a fake name, 369 00:15:00,389 --> 00:15:03,084 and Mara, uh, I looked into it, 370 00:15:03,084 --> 00:15:05,440 what she was teaching or trying to teach 371 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,203 was surf yoga. 372 00:15:08,203 --> 00:15:09,254 I don't know what that is. 373 00:15:09,254 --> 00:15:11,440 I guess yoga while you're surfing. 374 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,288 I'm not sure, but think about her choice of Costa Rica, Mara. 375 00:15:15,288 --> 00:15:18,288 You've got the rainforest in, uh, Monteverde, 376 00:15:18,288 --> 00:15:22,135 you've got the volcanos in Arenal, 377 00:15:22,135 --> 00:15:24,152 and then you've got the beach in Tamarindo. 378 00:15:24,152 --> 00:15:26,372 She could've blended in anywhere. 379 00:15:26,372 --> 00:15:30,152 But, because of her vanity and that nose job, they found her. 380 00:15:30,152 --> 00:15:32,338 But what's-- that's what's so incongruous to me 381 00:15:32,338 --> 00:15:34,338 about this person committing this crime 382 00:15:34,338 --> 00:15:37,237 because yoga is all about being centered. 383 00:15:37,237 --> 00:15:39,067 Yoga's a spiritual practice 384 00:15:39,067 --> 00:15:40,338 far more than a physical practice. 385 00:15:40,338 --> 00:15:41,372 [Nancy] Have you ever tried to hold those 386 00:15:41,372 --> 00:15:42,474 -poses very long? -Well, you know, I-- [chuckles] 387 00:15:42,474 --> 00:15:44,203 'Cause that is not spiritual. 388 00:15:44,203 --> 00:15:46,440 -It's pain! -But-- it's supposed to teach you patience 389 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,000 and it's supposed to teach you how to endure difficult situations. 390 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,186 So, you have someone who is practicing and teaching others 391 00:15:53,186 --> 00:15:55,186 -the spiritual practice that is centered on... -[Nancy] Zen. 392 00:15:55,186 --> 00:15:57,440 ...loving, kindness and compassion and namaste, 393 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,084 goes to Costa Rica 394 00:15:59,084 --> 00:16:01,237 which is a hub of that kinda activity 395 00:16:01,237 --> 00:16:04,050 and inside her, there's this duality. 396 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:07,237 -[Derrick] Yeah. -The trial is going on right now 397 00:16:07,237 --> 00:16:10,203 and all of these crimes are alleged. 398 00:16:10,203 --> 00:16:12,237 She has declared herself innocent. 399 00:16:12,237 --> 00:16:15,135 Brian Buckmire, thank you so much for being with us. 400 00:16:15,135 --> 00:16:16,423 Everybody, when we come back, 401 00:16:16,423 --> 00:16:19,033 with "friends" like these, who needs enemies? 402 00:16:19,033 --> 00:16:22,389 Shanquella Robinson heads to a lux resort for a girls' trip. 403 00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:25,288 It's an all-inclusive Mexican resort. 404 00:16:25,288 --> 00:16:29,016 But, Shanquella never makes it home to her mother. 405 00:16:35,084 --> 00:16:36,389 I'm Nancy Grace, this is CrimeFeed. 406 00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:37,423 Thanks for being with us. 407 00:16:37,423 --> 00:16:40,288 Where is lady justice tonight? 408 00:16:40,288 --> 00:16:44,084 A beautiful young woman with her whole life in front of her 409 00:16:44,084 --> 00:16:46,440 dies after a savage beating 410 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,050 that was actually videoed by her so-called friends. 411 00:16:50,050 --> 00:16:55,016 Warning, this video is so difficult to watch. 412 00:16:55,016 --> 00:16:57,474 Shanquella Robinson's friends wake her up, 413 00:16:57,474 --> 00:16:59,322 roused her out of bed 414 00:16:59,322 --> 00:17:02,220 and the beating commences. 415 00:17:02,220 --> 00:17:06,135 All the while laughing, cackling, insulting her. 416 00:17:06,135 --> 00:17:08,000 [inaudible] 417 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,388 It all goes down at a luxe resort near Cabo. 418 00:17:10,388 --> 00:17:12,491 Her friends even shouting at her 419 00:17:12,491 --> 00:17:15,117 to fight back but she did not. 420 00:17:15,117 --> 00:17:16,185 I don't get it. 421 00:17:16,185 --> 00:17:18,237 Shanquella is dead. 422 00:17:18,237 --> 00:17:21,000 The attack is caught on video. 423 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,016 I have personally confirmed the names of the "friends" 424 00:17:24,016 --> 00:17:25,185 registered at the resort. 425 00:17:25,185 --> 00:17:28,388 They coincide with the attackers on that video. 426 00:17:28,388 --> 00:17:31,237 So, why are they still walking free? 427 00:17:31,237 --> 00:17:33,118 Why no prosecution? 428 00:17:33,118 --> 00:17:35,220 We will talk to Shanquella's mother 429 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:37,440 and the family lawyer in just a few moments. 430 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,220 But, Mara, what happened? 431 00:17:39,220 --> 00:17:41,474 Yeah, the big problem here, Nancy, is that this, 432 00:17:41,474 --> 00:17:44,220 uh, if this was a crime, if this was a homicide 433 00:17:44,220 --> 00:17:48,033 and they still are not necessarily able to confirm that it was a homicide, 434 00:17:48,033 --> 00:17:51,389 but if this homicide took place in Mexico, that is the complication. 435 00:17:51,389 --> 00:17:54,220 Because you have this taking place in Mexico, 436 00:17:54,220 --> 00:17:57,186 then the group, basically, sneaks out of the country, 437 00:17:57,186 --> 00:18:00,440 The ask for a ride to dinner on the day that Shanquella dies 438 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,389 and then they leave the country with Shanquella's stuff. 439 00:18:03,389 --> 00:18:07,288 The Mexican authorities issue an arrest warrant for Daejhanae Jackson 440 00:18:07,288 --> 00:18:09,389 which is the woman that was seen on video, 441 00:18:09,389 --> 00:18:11,271 but she's back in the United States 442 00:18:11,271 --> 00:18:13,220 so, now, the United States has a decision to make. 443 00:18:13,220 --> 00:18:15,338 The State Department and the Department of Justice, 444 00:18:15,338 --> 00:18:17,372 do they extradite this woman to Mexico 445 00:18:17,372 --> 00:18:20,084 and make her available for prosecution there 446 00:18:20,084 --> 00:18:23,033 or do they prosecute her here in the United States 447 00:18:23,033 --> 00:18:25,186 based on a rarely used law that says, 448 00:18:25,186 --> 00:18:28,372 if an American citizen kills another American citizen overseas, 449 00:18:28,372 --> 00:18:31,169 in some cases, they can be prosecuted here. 450 00:18:31,169 --> 00:18:32,389 -It's a nightmare. -[Nancy] Got a question for you. 451 00:18:32,389 --> 00:18:35,423 Have either of you heard the term, because I had not 452 00:18:35,423 --> 00:18:38,237 until this case, atlas luxation? 453 00:18:38,237 --> 00:18:41,169 -[Mara] No. -Atlas luxation. 454 00:18:41,169 --> 00:18:44,271 It is essentially a... 455 00:18:44,271 --> 00:18:48,050 an internal decapitation 456 00:18:48,050 --> 00:18:52,440 where your head is decapitated from your spine. 457 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:58,000 That, an atlas luxation is what happened to Shanquella. 458 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,288 That's why she died. 459 00:18:59,288 --> 00:19:01,322 In the Mexican autopsy there's a lot about, 460 00:19:01,322 --> 00:19:04,169 "Oh, she had been drinking and we don't know the cause of death." 461 00:19:04,169 --> 00:19:07,389 Hello! She was decapitated, internally. 462 00:19:07,389 --> 00:19:10,016 So, when you look at the body you don't see it. 463 00:19:10,016 --> 00:19:12,169 When you look at the X-ray you see it. 464 00:19:12,169 --> 00:19:14,050 That's the COD, cause of death. 465 00:19:14,050 --> 00:19:15,169 So, little bit of a surprise here, 466 00:19:15,169 --> 00:19:17,186 I'm gonna play defense attorney on this one a little bit 467 00:19:17,186 --> 00:19:19,118 because I have some issues with this case and it's... it's... 468 00:19:19,118 --> 00:19:21,237 it's more about what you just said, so, 469 00:19:21,237 --> 00:19:23,288 Mexico, when they did the autopsy report, 470 00:19:23,288 --> 00:19:26,440 coroner Dr. Terrence Owens, uh, Thomas Owens I should say, 471 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,288 he has a difference of opinion as far as that autopsy. 472 00:19:29,288 --> 00:19:32,016 First off, they did say there was a dislocation of the neck 473 00:19:32,016 --> 00:19:33,372 and there was a spinal cord injury. 474 00:19:33,372 --> 00:19:36,440 -However, when Mecklenburg-- -[Nancy coughs] Sorry, I choked. 475 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,220 -A dislocation? -That's... that's what they said. 476 00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:40,067 That sounds more like, "Ow, my shoulder hurts." 477 00:19:40,067 --> 00:19:43,389 Not that your head is literally separated from your spine. 478 00:19:43,389 --> 00:19:45,084 [Derrick] Well, here's the problem with it, though. 479 00:19:45,084 --> 00:19:47,237 So, Thomas Owens says in his report, 480 00:19:47,237 --> 00:19:50,186 "They never physically examined her neck or spinal cord." 481 00:19:50,186 --> 00:19:52,440 So, they were... How were they able to determine that? But he did. 482 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,016 Even after the embalming he was able to do that. 483 00:19:55,016 --> 00:19:56,389 And he says, and I'm gonna quote it right here, 484 00:19:56,389 --> 00:19:58,338 "There is no evidence of any disruption 485 00:19:58,338 --> 00:20:01,220 of the spinal column alignment or subluxation." 486 00:20:01,220 --> 00:20:04,338 So, basically, he's saying there's no injury to her neck and on top of that 487 00:20:04,338 --> 00:20:07,000 the alcohol, the toxicology results which he... 488 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,084 he can't do those after the fact, 489 00:20:09,084 --> 00:20:11,050 it just came back negative in Mexico 490 00:20:11,050 --> 00:20:14,288 but he's saying, listen, there were ten and a half hours between the assault 491 00:20:14,288 --> 00:20:16,084 and the time that she passed away, 492 00:20:16,084 --> 00:20:19,186 that would've been plenty of time for the alcohol to metabolize, 493 00:20:19,186 --> 00:20:21,220 -so, it's still possible that-- -I don't know if that's true. 494 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:22,423 That's what... that's what he's saying. 495 00:20:22,423 --> 00:20:24,237 -That's what he's saying, so, this is a big issue. -No, I know but he 496 00:20:24,237 --> 00:20:27,135 is a... a per... a person here 497 00:20:27,135 --> 00:20:30,118 basing his opinion on what he's been told 498 00:20:30,118 --> 00:20:31,288 -as Mara-- -[Derrick] No, he's doing the report. 499 00:20:31,288 --> 00:20:33,084 He's doing the actual exam of her body. 500 00:20:33,084 --> 00:20:35,440 Yes, I know that. Let me... let me clarify. 501 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,084 -Was he in the room when she was beaten dead? -[Derrick] No. 502 00:20:38,084 --> 00:20:40,288 Oh! So, he doesn't know what time it was. 503 00:20:40,288 --> 00:20:43,288 Mara, we don't know if ten hours stretched apart. 504 00:20:43,288 --> 00:20:47,186 From what I can tell, she was already with her head, 505 00:20:47,186 --> 00:20:50,288 uh, severed... internal decapitation. 506 00:20:50,288 --> 00:20:54,338 When the cleaning lady comes and finds her 507 00:20:54,338 --> 00:20:57,050 and in that video you clearly see, 508 00:20:57,050 --> 00:20:58,389 and her family has told me, 509 00:20:58,389 --> 00:21:01,338 she slept without her clothes on. 510 00:21:01,338 --> 00:21:04,271 Somehow, she's got her clothes back on. 511 00:21:04,271 --> 00:21:06,288 They have redressed her 512 00:21:06,288 --> 00:21:09,237 and left her there for the cleaning lady to find. 513 00:21:09,237 --> 00:21:11,389 How long do I know the time that passed? 514 00:21:11,389 --> 00:21:13,288 Well, but... but Derrick is speaking to is... 515 00:21:13,288 --> 00:21:15,389 is discrepancies between the two autopsies. 516 00:21:15,389 --> 00:21:18,288 -[Nancy] Yeah. -So, the Mexican government, Mexican officials 517 00:21:18,288 --> 00:21:20,389 didn't autopsy the final morning. 518 00:21:20,389 --> 00:21:23,050 So, at that time, she died around 6:00 p.m. 519 00:21:23,050 --> 00:21:26,000 They didn't do the autopsy until the final day around 9:00 a-- 520 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,186 The next day around 9:00 a.m. 521 00:21:28,186 --> 00:21:31,322 So, at that time they did a toxicology for alcohol 522 00:21:31,322 --> 00:21:35,220 and at that time so much time had gone by that it could have metabolized 523 00:21:35,220 --> 00:21:38,389 and that is maybe why they came up with the negative for alcohol. 524 00:21:38,389 --> 00:21:42,220 They also only did a partial autopsy according to US officials... 525 00:21:42,220 --> 00:21:44,220 -That's right. -...and as they say, partial autopsies 526 00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:45,440 lead to partial results. 527 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,186 So, by the time the body came back to the United States 528 00:21:48,186 --> 00:21:50,389 and US officials did their autopsy, 529 00:21:50,389 --> 00:21:52,389 A, the body had already been embalmed. 530 00:21:52,389 --> 00:21:55,050 B, part of the skull had been removed. 531 00:21:55,050 --> 00:21:57,135 C, they could not do any more toxicology 532 00:21:57,135 --> 00:21:59,220 because too much time had passed. 533 00:21:59,220 --> 00:22:02,389 So, there's a huge problem here in answering basic questions. 534 00:22:02,389 --> 00:22:04,338 Did the beating cause her death? 535 00:22:04,338 --> 00:22:06,322 We don't know the answer to that question. 536 00:22:06,322 --> 00:22:08,118 [Nancy] Another question for both of you? 537 00:22:08,118 --> 00:22:11,474 Should I believe you or my lying eyes? 538 00:22:11,474 --> 00:22:14,050 Because I see her 539 00:22:14,050 --> 00:22:17,084 yanked out of her bed without her clothes on. 540 00:22:17,084 --> 00:22:19,322 I see the friend hitting her 541 00:22:19,322 --> 00:22:23,237 and you can see her neck go over like that. 542 00:22:23,237 --> 00:22:25,084 I can see it. 543 00:22:25,084 --> 00:22:27,067 -But as you all know-- -You play that for a jury 544 00:22:27,067 --> 00:22:30,338 and I guarantee you they're gonna believe that 545 00:22:30,338 --> 00:22:32,186 was the COD, cause of death. 546 00:22:32,186 --> 00:22:34,084 But the timeframe she-- 547 00:22:34,084 --> 00:22:36,220 The fight took place around 7:30 in the morning, 548 00:22:36,220 --> 00:22:39,186 the housekeeper discovers her in the bathroom around noon. 549 00:22:39,186 --> 00:22:42,084 The friends can very well say, "She was fine after the fight. 550 00:22:42,084 --> 00:22:44,067 She got up, she got dressed, we had breakfast, 551 00:22:44,067 --> 00:22:45,372 we had drinks in the morning, 552 00:22:45,372 --> 00:22:48,000 -we don't know what took place in the four hours after." -[Nancy] So? 553 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,491 Here... here's the thing for me. Now, I've had this happen 554 00:22:49,491 --> 00:22:53,220 in a case, unfortunately where we talk about detectives and prosecutors 555 00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:55,288 and defense attorneys and how important they are. 556 00:22:55,288 --> 00:22:58,118 You know who's the most important person? The pathologist. 557 00:22:58,118 --> 00:23:01,135 Because if they don't come back and say homicide, you have nothing. 558 00:23:01,135 --> 00:23:03,067 And then that's what's going on here in the States. 559 00:23:03,067 --> 00:23:05,423 They're saying, "Listen, it's undetermined. What do you want us to do?" 560 00:23:05,423 --> 00:23:07,440 And I will say this to your point... 561 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,135 Yeah, they're saying it's a dislocation of the neck 562 00:23:10,135 --> 00:23:14,016 but I can tell you right now an embalming is not gonna heal those injuries to that neck. 563 00:23:14,016 --> 00:23:16,084 So, the fact that she didn't have those injuries 564 00:23:16,084 --> 00:23:18,440 when the pathologist here in the States conducted that autopsy, 565 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,084 -big problem. -Well, you know what, 566 00:23:20,084 --> 00:23:24,491 let's see what her mother and the family lawyer have to say. 567 00:23:24,491 --> 00:23:26,372 When we come back, what do we have to do 568 00:23:26,372 --> 00:23:29,084 to get justice for Shanquella Robinson? 569 00:23:29,084 --> 00:23:33,101 We talk to her mother and the family lawyer. 570 00:23:44,389 --> 00:23:46,135 Their mothers and their fathers, those parents 571 00:23:46,135 --> 00:23:48,101 or those six individuals 572 00:23:49,033 --> 00:23:51,237 don't have no decency 573 00:23:51,237 --> 00:23:53,338 to call and say, you know, "Mr. Robinson, 574 00:23:53,338 --> 00:23:55,372 we're sorry about the loss of your daughter." 575 00:23:55,372 --> 00:23:58,084 Their life is still moving along 576 00:23:58,084 --> 00:24:00,322 but this father right here struggling each and every day, 577 00:24:01,084 --> 00:24:03,118 you know. I cry. 578 00:24:04,237 --> 00:24:06,118 Everyday is a struggle for me. 579 00:24:07,067 --> 00:24:09,118 It's been one very long year 580 00:24:09,118 --> 00:24:12,050 since Shanquella Robinson left her home in North Carolina 581 00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:16,186 for a girls getaway at a Cabo resort she never made it home. 582 00:24:16,186 --> 00:24:20,220 Shanquella dies after a horrific beating, 583 00:24:20,220 --> 00:24:24,423 savagely attacked by a group of women she thought were her friends. 584 00:24:24,423 --> 00:24:27,338 Shanquella just 25 years old. 585 00:24:27,338 --> 00:24:31,135 With us now, Sallamondra Robinson, this is Shanquella's mother, 586 00:24:31,135 --> 00:24:33,084 and Sue-Ann Robinson, 587 00:24:33,084 --> 00:24:37,084 the lead attorney working with the family on this case. 588 00:24:37,084 --> 00:24:40,288 Ms. Robinson, thank you so much for being with us 589 00:24:40,288 --> 00:24:44,084 and please know we have been in prayer 590 00:24:44,084 --> 00:24:49,016 for you and your family and your daughter since the get-go. 591 00:24:49,016 --> 00:24:52,288 And to your lawyer, Ms. Robinson, 592 00:24:52,288 --> 00:24:57,389 what do you believe is the cause of death of Shanquella? 593 00:24:57,389 --> 00:25:02,067 I believe that the Mexican autopsy has the most accurate information 594 00:25:02,067 --> 00:25:05,186 because it was done contemporaneously with her death. 595 00:25:05,186 --> 00:25:08,237 And the cause of death would be what? 596 00:25:08,237 --> 00:25:12,322 Her cause of death was listed as an injury to her neck, to her spine. 597 00:25:12,322 --> 00:25:15,135 Sue-Ann, it's Derrick here, I... I looked at the autopsy 598 00:25:15,135 --> 00:25:18,186 and we're seeing the autopsy from Dr. Owens as well, 599 00:25:18,186 --> 00:25:20,271 uh, here in the States, Mecklenburg County. 600 00:25:20,271 --> 00:25:24,135 Uh, he's stating that Mexican officials did not physically examine 601 00:25:24,135 --> 00:25:26,389 her... her spinal cord or her neck 602 00:25:26,389 --> 00:25:28,372 and he found no injuries. 603 00:25:28,372 --> 00:25:30,389 Do you see that as a complication in this case? 604 00:25:30,389 --> 00:25:32,169 Do you feel that that's why, 605 00:25:32,169 --> 00:25:36,118 uh, US officials are hesitant to... to pursue this case more? 606 00:25:36,118 --> 00:25:39,440 No. Obviously, I... I don't know what their real reason is 607 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,389 but the... the issue for us and for the family 608 00:25:42,389 --> 00:25:46,016 and for everyone that has eyes and has seen the video 609 00:25:46,016 --> 00:25:50,423 is that, the issue of her being beaten was never addressed. 610 00:25:50,423 --> 00:25:52,440 When the three individuals came back 611 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,288 and visited with Ms. Mondie which she can talk about. 612 00:25:55,288 --> 00:25:58,288 They never mentioned the incident that 613 00:25:58,288 --> 00:26:01,271 -Shanquella was beaten just prior... -You're right. 614 00:26:01,271 --> 00:26:03,372 ...to her passing away. It was never mentioned. 615 00:26:03,372 --> 00:26:05,135 -So, that's always going to be-- -[Nancy] Ms. Mondie, 616 00:26:05,135 --> 00:26:06,186 can you tell us about that? 617 00:26:06,186 --> 00:26:09,389 When they... These girls in the video, 618 00:26:09,389 --> 00:26:12,288 and there was one guy there, a friend guy, 619 00:26:12,288 --> 00:26:15,237 uh, they came and visited you. 620 00:26:15,237 --> 00:26:19,084 They never mentioned they pulled her out of bed, 621 00:26:19,084 --> 00:26:21,169 your little girl, Shanquella, 622 00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:24,084 and beat her, and in the video, 623 00:26:24,084 --> 00:26:27,440 Ms. Robinson, you can see Shanquella's head 624 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,372 kick off to one side. 625 00:26:29,372 --> 00:26:33,372 That's when the mortal blow was landed, I believe. 626 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,389 I do, too. 627 00:26:35,389 --> 00:26:38,288 What did they tell you when they came to your house? 628 00:26:38,288 --> 00:26:40,423 They told me there was never a fight 629 00:26:40,423 --> 00:26:43,237 and that Shanquella had drunk too much. 630 00:26:43,237 --> 00:26:46,050 But, um, shortly after they said that 631 00:26:46,050 --> 00:26:50,288 someone had called and said that, um, there was no such thing as alcohol poisoning, 632 00:26:50,288 --> 00:26:52,389 said they was over there fighting her. 633 00:26:52,389 --> 00:26:55,423 And shortly after that the video was released. 634 00:26:55,423 --> 00:26:57,338 You know, the video was already out 635 00:26:57,338 --> 00:26:59,118 because people was calling and saying that 636 00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:02,271 but we didn't... we... my family hadn't seen the video. 637 00:27:03,067 --> 00:27:05,135 And so, when we seen the video 638 00:27:05,135 --> 00:27:07,067 we knew that they was lying right then. 639 00:27:07,067 --> 00:27:08,389 But we had questioned them but they said, 640 00:27:08,389 --> 00:27:12,084 "No, there was never a fight it was only alcohol poisoning." 641 00:27:12,084 --> 00:27:13,389 She had drank too much. 642 00:27:13,389 --> 00:27:17,135 Ms. Mondie, the concierge of the hotel, after the fact, 643 00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:19,186 said that the night that the group arrived, 644 00:27:19,186 --> 00:27:21,186 Shanquella seemed out of place. 645 00:27:21,186 --> 00:27:22,220 And this is what he said, 646 00:27:22,220 --> 00:27:24,389 "She seemed not to fit in with the others. 647 00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:27,322 She did not greet me or smile. She was indifferent. 648 00:27:27,322 --> 00:27:30,016 She was out of place at that party." 649 00:27:30,016 --> 00:27:31,474 When you spoke to her did she indicate 650 00:27:31,474 --> 00:27:34,135 that there were any problems with other people in the group, 651 00:27:34,135 --> 00:27:37,237 do you have any idea why they were fighting? 652 00:27:37,237 --> 00:27:40,338 [Sallamondra] No, I have no idea but when I spoke with Shanquella 653 00:27:40,338 --> 00:27:42,084 she seemed to be okay. 654 00:27:42,084 --> 00:27:43,271 She said they was getting ready to eat, 655 00:27:43,271 --> 00:27:45,440 they had a chef, they was finna eat tacos. 656 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,084 So, I didn't hold her up on the phone. 657 00:27:48,084 --> 00:27:50,288 I told her, I said, "Well, enjoy yourself. Love you, 658 00:27:50,288 --> 00:27:52,389 and I will speak with you tomorrow." 659 00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:55,186 And that was the last time I spoke with her. 660 00:27:55,186 --> 00:27:58,440 Ms. Robinson, when did you learn 661 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,152 that Shanquella was dead? 662 00:28:02,338 --> 00:28:05,220 Um, Khalil Cooke called me and told me 663 00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:09,322 that Shanquella was sick due to alcohol poison. 664 00:28:09,322 --> 00:28:11,440 And I said what is alcohol poison? 665 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,033 And he said she had too much to drink. 666 00:28:14,033 --> 00:28:15,474 And said he was giving her water 667 00:28:15,474 --> 00:28:17,288 and said a nurse was on the way. 668 00:28:17,288 --> 00:28:21,016 That's what he said, a doctor, a nurse was on the way. 669 00:28:21,016 --> 00:28:25,118 And, um, he was, um, going to, um... 670 00:28:25,118 --> 00:28:27,288 I said, "Well, why you can't take her to the hospital?" 671 00:28:27,288 --> 00:28:30,491 And at that time he said he needed $5,000 672 00:28:30,491 --> 00:28:33,000 to take her to the emergency room 673 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,084 because they don't take insurance. 674 00:28:35,084 --> 00:28:39,220 Isn't it true that they waited hours? 675 00:28:39,220 --> 00:28:42,288 Someone from Mexico al... already had said 676 00:28:42,288 --> 00:28:45,135 that they wouldn't even let them take her to the hospital. 677 00:28:45,135 --> 00:28:48,338 So, why wouldn't you let her, let them take her to the hospital 678 00:28:48,338 --> 00:28:51,237 if she needed... needed, um, doctor's care? 679 00:28:51,237 --> 00:28:53,237 You know, the doctor came, the doctor didn't know 680 00:28:53,237 --> 00:28:55,423 what she was doing, apparently, 681 00:28:55,423 --> 00:28:59,084 because they telling her alcohol and she's been beaten 682 00:28:59,084 --> 00:29:02,067 and the doctor treating her for alcohol poison. 683 00:29:02,067 --> 00:29:04,118 Yeah, what was the doctor supposed to think? 684 00:29:04,118 --> 00:29:07,423 These "friends" were giving the doctor, 685 00:29:07,423 --> 00:29:12,389 giving the ER, giving the EMTs all false information. 686 00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:15,389 And we don't have justice for Shanquella. 687 00:29:15,389 --> 00:29:20,033 How is this somehow Shanquella's fault that she had had a few drinks? 688 00:29:20,033 --> 00:29:23,050 How is that happening? It's like we're blaming her. 689 00:29:23,050 --> 00:29:26,389 Her neck is separated from her head. 690 00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:29,050 That is the problem. Not the... 691 00:29:29,050 --> 00:29:32,474 The, uh, Moscow mule she had down in the restaurant. 692 00:29:32,474 --> 00:29:35,372 Yeah, I also think that, I'm not even gonna refer to them as friends, 693 00:29:35,372 --> 00:29:38,338 "travel mates", right? These guys, obviously, their behavior 694 00:29:38,338 --> 00:29:41,033 during this event... terrible. Shouldn't have happened. 695 00:29:41,033 --> 00:29:43,288 But I also think I'm gonna steal it from our previous guest, a phrase, 696 00:29:43,288 --> 00:29:46,237 "Consciousness of guilt," right? Their behavior after the fact. 697 00:29:46,237 --> 00:29:49,067 And I'd really like to hone in on the behavior... 698 00:29:49,067 --> 00:29:51,491 The... the detour to take a flight out of the country, immediately 699 00:29:51,491 --> 00:29:54,237 and then the immediate response to go to Ms. Mondie's home 700 00:29:54,237 --> 00:29:56,169 to try to control the narrative, right? 701 00:29:56,169 --> 00:29:58,186 It's almost like, as parents we know, you have your kid 702 00:29:58,186 --> 00:30:00,271 who comes in from the other room and says, "Mom, Dad, 703 00:30:00,271 --> 00:30:03,186 the plant got knocked over by the dog but I... I cleaned it up." 704 00:30:03,186 --> 00:30:05,000 They're trying to get in front of it. 705 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,271 That's what it feels like to me here, that they were trying to get in front of it 706 00:30:07,271 --> 00:30:09,288 before they had a chance to do their own investigation. 707 00:30:09,288 --> 00:30:12,186 Well, now I do have to wonder, uh, Sue-Ann Robinson, 708 00:30:12,186 --> 00:30:15,050 uh, now that American officials have decided 709 00:30:15,050 --> 00:30:17,033 that they are not going to prosecute here 710 00:30:17,033 --> 00:30:18,474 and they're not gonna take any further steps, 711 00:30:18,474 --> 00:30:22,271 uh, when it comes to this investigation, what is your plan? 712 00:30:22,271 --> 00:30:26,186 I know that the family still very much wants justice. What now? 713 00:30:26,186 --> 00:30:29,423 I think that we've been clear from the beginning in saying that 714 00:30:29,423 --> 00:30:35,186 even if the FBI in Mecklenburg County decided to decline charges, 715 00:30:35,186 --> 00:30:37,322 that there's a clear path to justice 716 00:30:37,322 --> 00:30:41,474 because there's a treaty in transnational criminal cases 717 00:30:41,474 --> 00:30:45,288 that would permit Mexico to submit their documents, 718 00:30:45,288 --> 00:30:49,338 their own investigation which has been completed and sent in 719 00:30:49,338 --> 00:30:55,135 and the US State Department would then have to authorize an extradition proceeding, 720 00:30:55,135 --> 00:30:57,338 which would then begin a federal court case 721 00:30:57,338 --> 00:31:02,474 where the person named in the Mexican investigation as the defendant 722 00:31:02,474 --> 00:31:06,389 would have the opportunity to protest the extradition, 723 00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:08,372 say they don't wanna be sent over, 724 00:31:08,372 --> 00:31:11,338 challenge anything in the Mexican investigation. 725 00:31:11,338 --> 00:31:14,271 The US department has failed to do so. 726 00:31:14,271 --> 00:31:19,067 They have not authorized the extradition proceedings to begin 727 00:31:19,067 --> 00:31:23,118 despite the fact that Mexico has completed their investigation 728 00:31:23,118 --> 00:31:25,491 and sent all the documentation in 729 00:31:25,491 --> 00:31:28,372 to permit the US to do so. 730 00:31:28,372 --> 00:31:32,186 Ms. Robinson, question to you. I was thinking about 731 00:31:32,186 --> 00:31:35,338 what you've been through, uh, losing Shanquella, 732 00:31:35,338 --> 00:31:39,288 not knowing what was happening, being lied to 733 00:31:39,288 --> 00:31:42,033 over and over and over. 734 00:31:42,033 --> 00:31:47,322 You know, Ms. Robinson, we managed to find these "friends". 735 00:31:47,322 --> 00:31:50,220 They're not really even hiding. 736 00:31:50,220 --> 00:31:53,389 Now, immediately after, some of them moved from their apartment 737 00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:55,135 and moved somewhere else but 738 00:31:55,135 --> 00:31:57,016 they still got the same cell numbers, 739 00:31:57,016 --> 00:31:59,237 they're still using the same credit cards, 740 00:31:59,237 --> 00:32:01,135 they're still driving the same cars. 741 00:32:01,135 --> 00:32:03,288 They're very easy to find. 742 00:32:03,288 --> 00:32:05,186 I gotta ask you, Ms. Robinson, 743 00:32:05,186 --> 00:32:08,288 how do you put your head on your pillow at night 744 00:32:08,288 --> 00:32:11,288 and you think about Shanquella and you know 745 00:32:11,288 --> 00:32:15,220 that there has been no justice? 746 00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:20,016 Well, it's very hard but you know I asked God give me strength to keep going. 747 00:32:20,016 --> 00:32:23,135 You know, and I... I believe that we will get justice 748 00:32:23,135 --> 00:32:25,237 because, um, they didn't get away with this. 749 00:32:25,237 --> 00:32:27,084 It's too much evidence out there 750 00:32:27,084 --> 00:32:30,169 and now, for the U... for the government to say that... the US... 751 00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:32,135 um, um, the FBI, 752 00:32:32,135 --> 00:32:34,491 um, to say that they don't have enough evidence... 753 00:32:34,491 --> 00:32:38,033 First of all, they didn't do their job correctly 754 00:32:38,033 --> 00:32:40,135 and, um, there's plenty of evidence out there. 755 00:32:40,135 --> 00:32:43,000 Why would you stop her from going to the hospital? 756 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,423 You know, then you fly back here, 757 00:32:44,423 --> 00:32:46,135 you [indistinct], you come back here 758 00:32:46,135 --> 00:32:49,135 and then you, um, say that she, um, 759 00:32:49,135 --> 00:32:51,169 she died with alcohol poison. 760 00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:54,237 Clearly in that video when Shanquella said no, 761 00:32:54,237 --> 00:32:56,389 they woke Shanquella up out her sleep to fight her. 762 00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:59,423 Shanquella was not drunk no kind of way. 763 00:32:59,423 --> 00:33:03,033 You know, they woke her up out her sleep to fight her. 764 00:33:03,033 --> 00:33:05,423 If she had been drinking she had slept it off. 765 00:33:05,423 --> 00:33:09,288 Yeah, one quick thing, the decision by you guys to sue civilly, 766 00:33:09,288 --> 00:33:09,983 I think is genius. 767 00:33:09,983 --> 00:33:14,135 You can now force people to be deposed and hopefully from that case 768 00:33:14,135 --> 00:33:15,491 you get more information about what happened 769 00:33:15,491 --> 00:33:17,338 because not everyone had an equal, 770 00:33:17,338 --> 00:33:19,389 uh, participation in that whole incident. 771 00:33:19,389 --> 00:33:22,220 And who knows, maybe through that civil case you get something out of it 772 00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:24,067 that... that leads to something further. 773 00:33:24,067 --> 00:33:26,084 Ms. Robinson and Sue-Ann Robinson, 774 00:33:26,084 --> 00:33:28,372 thank you so much for being with us. 775 00:33:28,372 --> 00:33:32,491 Coming up, a family court judge gunned down in his own driveway. 776 00:33:32,491 --> 00:33:35,186 His wife and child inside the house 777 00:33:35,186 --> 00:33:40,271 just hours after he makes a ruling in a divorce and custody case. 778 00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:50,237 An abusive husband and dad goes after the judge 779 00:33:50,237 --> 00:33:54,474 who grants his wife a divorce and awards her custody. 780 00:33:54,474 --> 00:33:58,288 Washington County circuit court judge, Andrew Wilkinson, 781 00:33:58,288 --> 00:34:04,423 husband and father, dead in the driveway of his own home. 782 00:34:04,423 --> 00:34:08,083 Washington County community can breathe a little easier this afternoon 783 00:34:08,083 --> 00:34:12,083 murder suspect Pedro Argote was located deceased. 784 00:34:12,083 --> 00:34:14,118 Until the autopsy is complete 785 00:34:14,118 --> 00:34:18,371 we will not be able to answer questions surrounding his cause or time of death. 786 00:34:18,371 --> 00:34:22,322 That's Washington County, Maryland, Sheriff Brian Albert expressing relief 787 00:34:22,322 --> 00:34:26,033 after state police discover the body of Pedro Argote. 788 00:34:26,033 --> 00:34:29,168 Judge Andrew Wilkinson heard shocking testimony 789 00:34:29,168 --> 00:34:32,067 from Argote's very brave daughter 790 00:34:32,067 --> 00:34:34,338 that her father was extremely abusive 791 00:34:34,338 --> 00:34:37,288 and then the judge was killed in his driveway. 792 00:34:37,288 --> 00:34:41,067 Mara, Derrick, just so upsetting. 793 00:34:41,067 --> 00:34:44,016 And clearly, the judge was right. 794 00:34:44,016 --> 00:34:47,050 You know, the mother described having to stand between 795 00:34:47,050 --> 00:34:49,440 her little 11-year-old girl, that's the one 796 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,237 that Argote seemed to hate the most. 797 00:34:52,237 --> 00:34:54,288 He was going to attack her 798 00:34:54,288 --> 00:34:58,220 and that is when the mom knew, "I've gotta leave." 799 00:34:58,220 --> 00:35:00,474 Yeah, well the... the abuse that was described 800 00:35:00,474 --> 00:35:03,135 during this custody hearing, this divorce hearing, 801 00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:05,033 the allegations were very, very severe. 802 00:35:05,033 --> 00:35:07,474 I mean, the mother claimed that, uh, he abused the children. 803 00:35:07,474 --> 00:35:11,084 She said he would stuff a towel inside the baby's mouth 804 00:35:11,084 --> 00:35:13,440 when the baby was crying to try to keep them quiet. 805 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,237 He also would maintain financial control. 806 00:35:16,237 --> 00:35:20,237 Um, and then, his adult daughter from a previous relationship 807 00:35:20,237 --> 00:35:23,491 testified, she said, to protect her half siblings 808 00:35:23,491 --> 00:35:26,474 and she testified about the abuse that she endured 809 00:35:26,474 --> 00:35:28,084 during her teenage years 810 00:35:28,084 --> 00:35:29,491 when she was living under the same roof with him 811 00:35:29,491 --> 00:35:31,474 and in fact said that she has not spoken to him 812 00:35:31,474 --> 00:35:33,135 since she's been an adult. 813 00:35:33,135 --> 00:35:35,118 Because of those allegations, 814 00:35:35,118 --> 00:35:39,135 the judge's ruling was very strongly against this man. 815 00:35:39,135 --> 00:35:40,389 It was granting the divorce, 816 00:35:40,389 --> 00:35:43,186 the mother got sole custody of the four children, 817 00:35:43,186 --> 00:35:47,050 the father got no visitation and he had to pay child support 818 00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:48,389 $1100 a month. 819 00:35:48,389 --> 00:35:50,474 He was a no-show at court 820 00:35:50,474 --> 00:35:53,440 and that certainly did not help anything. 821 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,033 But, where does that leave uh, us prosecutors 822 00:35:57,033 --> 00:35:59,372 and judges and officers of the court? 823 00:35:59,372 --> 00:36:02,186 Both defense attorneys and prosecutors. 824 00:36:02,186 --> 00:36:04,000 -Yeah, as far as their safety? -Yeah. 825 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,288 Yeah, I mean, listen, it goes even beyond that. 826 00:36:05,288 --> 00:36:08,118 As an investigator, I can speak to an incident that I had 827 00:36:08,118 --> 00:36:10,033 where I was doing an undercover operation 828 00:36:10,033 --> 00:36:12,237 and I came into the police station and my chief tells me, 829 00:36:12,237 --> 00:36:15,016 "Hey, we just got word there's been a hit put out on you." 830 00:36:15,016 --> 00:36:17,033 Had to move my family out of my home, 831 00:36:17,033 --> 00:36:18,237 had to rely on state police 832 00:36:18,237 --> 00:36:20,169 actually sitting in my driveway for weeks. 833 00:36:20,169 --> 00:36:22,135 It's a really unnerving feeling to do this job 834 00:36:22,135 --> 00:36:24,084 because when you leave that courthouse 835 00:36:24,084 --> 00:36:25,474 or when you leave that police station, 836 00:36:25,474 --> 00:36:28,084 -it doesn't stop, you're still in that role... -No. 837 00:36:28,084 --> 00:36:30,050 ...and there are people out there that can get access to you. 838 00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:31,338 Believe it or not, same. 839 00:36:31,338 --> 00:36:33,067 I had to move out of my house, 840 00:36:33,067 --> 00:36:34,372 for the duration of a trial 841 00:36:34,372 --> 00:36:38,067 and stay out for at least 6 months after the trial 842 00:36:38,067 --> 00:36:40,338 because it was so contentious. 843 00:36:40,338 --> 00:36:43,271 Life behind bars, that was what was at stake. 844 00:36:43,271 --> 00:36:46,338 And there were factions that did not take it that well. 845 00:36:46,338 --> 00:36:50,338 This judge, gunned down in his driveway 846 00:36:50,338 --> 00:36:52,389 after making a ruling. 847 00:36:52,389 --> 00:36:54,135 [Mara] Yeah, and in fact, we've seen 848 00:36:54,135 --> 00:36:55,491 you know, unfortunately, an increase 849 00:36:55,491 --> 00:36:59,186 in these kinds of threats against judges and you know, officers of the court 850 00:36:59,186 --> 00:36:59,915 and w-- what have you, 851 00:36:59,915 --> 00:37:04,033 um, to the point where uh, President Biden has now signed legislation 852 00:37:04,033 --> 00:37:07,000 to protect Supreme Court justices even more 853 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,237 because the threats have-- have gotten so increased in recent years. 854 00:37:10,237 --> 00:37:15,169 And it all to me, starts with domestic abuse in this case. 855 00:37:15,169 --> 00:37:17,237 I believe that he went after the judge, 856 00:37:17,237 --> 00:37:19,372 he refocused his anger off of his wife 857 00:37:19,372 --> 00:37:21,084 and his children, 858 00:37:21,084 --> 00:37:22,389 and focused it on the judge, 859 00:37:22,389 --> 00:37:24,389 like it was the judge's fault. 860 00:37:24,389 --> 00:37:27,084 And that's a hallmark of domestic abusers, 861 00:37:27,084 --> 00:37:29,067 they always blame somebody else. 862 00:37:29,067 --> 00:37:30,271 It's never them. 863 00:37:30,271 --> 00:37:32,067 And he tracks the judge down, 864 00:37:32,067 --> 00:37:34,338 the judge comes home from court, gets out of his car, 865 00:37:34,338 --> 00:37:36,033 it's over, just like that. 866 00:37:36,033 --> 00:37:38,016 It was like he was hunting an animal. 867 00:37:38,016 --> 00:37:39,220 [Mara] Well, in this case, as you mentioned, 868 00:37:39,220 --> 00:37:41,440 uh, accusing other people of being the ones doing wrong, 869 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,389 he tried to blame his wife for everything 870 00:37:43,389 --> 00:37:44,389 during these whole proceedings. 871 00:37:44,389 --> 00:37:46,135 He said she was a-- terrible mother, 872 00:37:46,135 --> 00:37:48,016 she wasn't doing a great job homeschooling. 873 00:37:48,016 --> 00:37:50,067 Then, it appears he shifted his focus to the judge, 874 00:37:50,067 --> 00:37:51,288 anybody's fault but his. 875 00:37:51,288 --> 00:37:53,288 [Derrick] Yeah, and I know-- I know Pedro's been found deceased, 876 00:37:53,288 --> 00:37:56,084 obviously, so he's no longer a threat to anyone. 877 00:37:56,084 --> 00:37:58,491 But, and this is obviously a horrible situation and my f-- 878 00:37:58,491 --> 00:38:01,169 my thoughts go out to Andrew Wilkinson's family. 879 00:38:01,169 --> 00:38:03,305 But I will say this, it could've been a lot worse. 880 00:38:04,016 --> 00:38:05,118 A guy like Pedro, 881 00:38:05,118 --> 00:38:06,389 he could've easily gone to the home, 882 00:38:06,389 --> 00:38:08,135 killed his wife and the children. 883 00:38:08,135 --> 00:38:09,440 - It could've-- it could've-- -[Nancy] And the judge. 884 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,440 And the judge and his family as well. 885 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,016 So, it's a terrible situation all the way around. 886 00:38:14,016 --> 00:38:14,491 There's-- nobody wins. 887 00:38:14,491 --> 00:38:17,186 Did you know this guy, Mara, 888 00:38:17,186 --> 00:38:20,271 would actually take his wife's car keys 889 00:38:20,271 --> 00:38:22,372 whenever he left home? 890 00:38:22,372 --> 00:38:26,084 So, she couldn't go anywhere without his permission. 891 00:38:26,084 --> 00:38:27,491 [Derrick] We didn't mention the cameras. 892 00:38:27,491 --> 00:38:29,389 He had cameras inside, outside the home. 893 00:38:29,389 --> 00:38:30,491 -[Nancy] Oh, please tell us. -Yeah. 894 00:38:30,491 --> 00:38:32,016 And the wife said this that she would-- 895 00:38:32,016 --> 00:38:33,389 he would follow her, track her through the cameras 896 00:38:33,389 --> 00:38:36,288 and this, this was corroborated by his-- his other daughter 897 00:38:36,288 --> 00:38:38,033 who came and said, "Yeah, same thing with me. 898 00:38:38,033 --> 00:38:40,050 I didn't even feel like I could be myself in my own home 899 00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:41,389 because he was watching the cameras all the time." 900 00:38:41,389 --> 00:38:43,067 -This is a sick individual for sure. -We can-- 901 00:38:43,067 --> 00:38:44,338 We can take a look at some of what they said, I mean, 902 00:38:44,338 --> 00:38:47,372 the wife said, "I-I don't get out of the house without his knowledge. 903 00:38:47,372 --> 00:38:50,220 I know he has a weapon on him at all times." 904 00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:53,084 Um, and the daughter the adult daughter from the previous relationship 905 00:38:53,084 --> 00:38:57,067 said he would beat her with "whatever he had close by, 906 00:38:57,067 --> 00:38:58,288 belts and objects." 907 00:38:58,288 --> 00:39:00,474 And that, uh, he had her under surveillance 908 00:39:00,474 --> 00:39:02,118 with-with the cameras 909 00:39:02,118 --> 00:39:05,135 and that the reason, again, she was speaking out in court 910 00:39:05,135 --> 00:39:07,288 was, "So that my siblings wouldn't have to go through 911 00:39:07,288 --> 00:39:10,186 the mental torment that I have." 912 00:39:10,186 --> 00:39:14,169 You know, I'm just thinking about what the children lived through, 913 00:39:14,169 --> 00:39:16,338 not just being abused themselves 914 00:39:16,338 --> 00:39:19,237 but seeing their mother being abused. 915 00:39:19,237 --> 00:39:21,067 And also, 916 00:39:21,067 --> 00:39:22,186 uh, many people have said, 917 00:39:22,186 --> 00:39:24,000 "Well, the judge should've had protection." 918 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,050 The judge this, the judge that. 919 00:39:26,050 --> 00:39:28,050 He was just doing his job. 920 00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:30,084 I'm sure he had no idea 921 00:39:30,084 --> 00:39:32,423 he had a big target drawn on his back 922 00:39:32,423 --> 00:39:34,237 and this guy, Argote, 923 00:39:34,237 --> 00:39:36,135 was literally stalking him 924 00:39:36,135 --> 00:39:38,067 like he would an animal. 925 00:39:38,067 --> 00:39:39,186 [Derrick] Yeah, and it's logistics too, right? 926 00:39:39,186 --> 00:39:41,186 We would love to have every judge 927 00:39:41,186 --> 00:39:43,016 have personal protection at their homes. 928 00:39:43,016 --> 00:39:44,084 But, he's a circuit court judge. 929 00:39:44,084 --> 00:39:46,186 You have federal judges, you have municipal judges. 930 00:39:46,186 --> 00:39:48,491 There's not enough individuals to perform these duties. 931 00:39:48,491 --> 00:39:50,423 You have to pick and choose your battles. 932 00:39:50,423 --> 00:39:52,237 You have to look at the threats that are-- 933 00:39:52,237 --> 00:39:54,016 that are against these individuals 934 00:39:54,016 --> 00:39:55,440 and-and provide the resources they need. 935 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,186 There was really no warning for this, 936 00:39:57,186 --> 00:39:58,237 -from-from what we know. -[Nancy] No warning. 937 00:39:58,237 --> 00:39:59,389 [Derrick] So, this just came out of nowhere. 938 00:39:59,389 --> 00:40:01,050 So, again, in hindsight, 939 00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:02,474 how do you-- what could we have done different 940 00:40:02,474 --> 00:40:05,050 as invest-- as law enforcement officials 941 00:40:05,050 --> 00:40:06,237 to protect this judge? 942 00:40:06,237 --> 00:40:08,338 I don't know if there's anything we could've done, I really don't. 943 00:40:08,338 --> 00:40:10,169 You know, it's not like we're in Colombia, 944 00:40:10,169 --> 00:40:12,423 where judges get gunned down all the time. 945 00:40:12,423 --> 00:40:15,118 Anybody even-- no one even wants to be a judge there 946 00:40:15,118 --> 00:40:16,491 'cause it's a death sentence. 947 00:40:16,491 --> 00:40:19,389 But here, an attack on a judge, 948 00:40:19,389 --> 00:40:23,135 or a defense attorney or a prosecutor, 949 00:40:23,135 --> 00:40:25,135 is an attack on our system. 950 00:40:25,135 --> 00:40:28,084 It's not just the individual, it's attacking the system, 951 00:40:28,084 --> 00:40:30,084 and the domestic court system, Mara. 952 00:40:30,084 --> 00:40:31,338 Yeah, and family court I feel like 953 00:40:31,338 --> 00:40:33,220 is-is one of the toughest spaces 954 00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:35,050 -to work in because... -[Nancy] Oh, it's terrible. 955 00:40:35,050 --> 00:40:36,169 ...it's more, you know, when you're talking 956 00:40:36,169 --> 00:40:37,169 -about civil court, money's on the line. -[Derrick] Hmm. 957 00:40:37,169 --> 00:40:38,220 Money's important, of course. 958 00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:39,338 When you're talking about family court, 959 00:40:39,338 --> 00:40:41,186 you're talking about families being together, 960 00:40:41,186 --> 00:40:44,000 husbands and wives and children and custody, 961 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,372 visitation, child support, 962 00:40:45,372 --> 00:40:48,186 these are extremely difficult issues to solve. 963 00:40:48,186 --> 00:40:49,338 [Nancy] You know, I've got a really good friend, 964 00:40:49,338 --> 00:40:51,423 a female defense attorney in Atlanta. 965 00:40:51,423 --> 00:40:53,491 She handles all criminal cases 966 00:40:53,491 --> 00:40:55,118 and a few divorces. 967 00:40:55,118 --> 00:40:58,135 She says she's never been as afraid in her life 968 00:40:58,135 --> 00:41:01,118 as when she's in a contentious divorce case. 969 00:41:01,118 --> 00:41:03,186 And this is why. 970 00:41:03,186 --> 00:41:04,389 You know, every week, 971 00:41:04,389 --> 00:41:07,084 we bring you the breaking crime and justice news 972 00:41:07,084 --> 00:41:09,000 from across our great country. 973 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,050 The biggest bombshells 974 00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:12,440 on some of the biggest crime stories and headlines, 975 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,423 and some, you may never have heard of. 976 00:41:15,423 --> 00:41:17,237 from Mara and Derrick. 977 00:41:17,237 --> 00:41:19,338 We'll see you next week. Good night, friend. 80951

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