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[reporter] This week
on CrimeFeed...
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Did this yoga teacher
commit murder
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in a fit of jealousy,
as prosecutors say?
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Bombshells revealed
in the case against
Kaitlin Armstrong.
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A yoga teacher,
a love triangle,
and alleged murder.
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And justice delayed
in the death
of Shanquella Robinson.
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She died on vacation,
in Mexico.
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Her brutal beating
caught on camera.
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But has no one been
arrested one year later?
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This is CrimeFeed
with Nancy Grace,
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Mara S. Campo,
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and Derrick Levasseur.
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Good evening.
I'm Nancy Grace.
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This is CrimeFeed.
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And I wanna thank you
for being with us.
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Breaking news tonight.
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She's glamorous,
she's poised,
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she's a yoga guru,
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and she's deadly.
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According
to Texas prosecutors,
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the so-called
glam yoga teacher,
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now accused of shooting
a female love rival
in the heart
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in a jealous rage.
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Mara, what happened?
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Yeah, Nancy, the prime
suspect in a fatal shooting
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became an international
fugitive,
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evading law enforcement
for six long weeks.
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Detectives believe the killer
was triggered
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by a burning obsession
and extreme jealousy.
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Here's that story.
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[narrator] On May 11th, 2022,
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police discovered
the body of pro-cyclist,
Moriah Wilson
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in the bathroom
of an Austin, Texas home.
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The 25 year old suffered
multiple gunshot wounds.
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And nine millimeter bullet
casings were found
next to her body.
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When investigators checked
surveillance video
from a neighboring home,
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they saw a black
Jeep Grand Cherokee
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at the crime scene
when the murder occurred.
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According to witnesses,
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the last person with Moriah
before she died
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was 36-year-old pro-cyclist,
Colin Strickland.
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And when police
visited his home,
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they noticed
something interesting.
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Parked in the driveway,
was the same black Jeep
that was caught on camera.
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Colin admitted he had
a romantic fling with Moriah.
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But denied knowing
anything about the murder.
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When asked about the Jeep,
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he said the vehicle belonged
to his live-in girlfriend,
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34-year-old yoga teacher,
Kaitlin Armstrong.
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After testing a gun
belonging to Kaitlin,
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investigators determine
the nine millimeter
bullet casings
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found at the murder scene
were a match.
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And Kaitlin emerged
as the prime suspect
in Moriah's murder.
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Well, Nancy, after
43 days on the run,
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the yoga instructor
was arrested and charged
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with killing Moriah Wilson,
in what police call
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a jealous rage.
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She was captured
in Costa Rica.
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But take a look
at this.
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Her strange behavior
did not end
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once she was in custody.
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After she was arrested,
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Kaitlin tried to escape
police custody
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during a doctor's appointment.
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She was apprehended
about a mile down the road.
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Police said she was never
out of their sight.
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She had told them
she had an ankle injury.
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But looks like her
ankle was fine to me.
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Yeah. And she worked out,
dressed appropriately,
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and charmed the prison guards
in order to get away.
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Now, I can't give them
an A for effort.
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Because she was shackled
at the hands,
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if you look carefully
at that video.
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And it took them
a while to catch her.
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Did you see her jump
over that fence?
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So this in my accounting
is the third time
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Kaitlin Armstrong
has fled the jurisdiction,
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all over a man,
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Colin Strickland,
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who's been on the stand
the last couple of days.
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[Derrick] Yeah.
We really can't blame her.
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Because this case against her
in my opinion is very strong.
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You have a little bit of--
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But did you just say you
really can't blame her?
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She knows she's going away.
Think about what
there's against her right now.
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You have digital DNA.
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You have the digital
evidence of it.
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You see you have her GPS
coordinates from
her cell phone
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matching her vehicle
GPS coordinates,
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that was in the area
Moriah was killed.
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You also have the video
that we just played here.
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You have her vehicle
in the area as well.
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Then on top of that,
it's enough
you have DNA evidence.
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You have Moriah's bicycle,
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where you have Kaitlin's
DNA found on the seat,
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and the handlebar
of Moriah's bicycle,
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which was later found
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in a bamboo brush area,
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about 60 yards away
from the house.
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And finally, as you just
said in the package,
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you have the firearm,
the shell casings
that come back to--
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-[Nancy]
Hold on just a sec.
-Yeah.
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-That is an understatement.
-That's the key. Yeah.
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I think it all fits together.
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But when you say,
they expelled cartridges,
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this is really important.
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This shows
pre-meditation.
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First of all, you've got her
following Mo, Moriah,
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up and coming world
class competitor.
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And she follows her
on Strava.
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-Which is a--
-Workout app.
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[Nancy] Yeah.
Workout app.
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But not only that,
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little did Colin Strickland,
the love object know,
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or I guess he forgot,
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she could see all
of his texts and emails.
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They shared apps.
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They shared devices.
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So he could see
her texting Mo,
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even though he put
Mo's name under
another woman's name.
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Which, warning,
if you find out
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your husband changes
a woman's name
to a fake name,
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you need a divorce lawyer
right then.
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So she's stalking.
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And on that video, Mara,
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the video,
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the night that Moriah
is murdered,
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you see her going
round and round,
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and round the murder scene
before she goes in.
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Chases Moriah.
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And this is what
I'm getting to,
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shoots her three times.
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The neighbor said
he hears bam, bam, pause.
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And the third shot shooting
her in the heart.
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And you know,
all of this, of course,
speaks to the motive.
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What was the motive here?
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And what you had was,
Moriah and Colin,
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had reportedly dated
very briefly,
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while Kaitlin and Colin
were on a break.
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But he didn't wanna cut off
the relationship altogether.
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So like you said,
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he changed her number
in his phone.
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He would delete messages,
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so that they wouldn't come up,
if she happened
to look on the phone.
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[Nancy] She knows
she's watching him...
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[Mara] But she's
seeing everything
that's taking place.
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And let's look at what Moriah
represents to Kaitlin.
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It's not just any
other woman.
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Colin is a cyclist.
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Moriah is one of the biggest
rising stars in that industry.
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In fact, Colin himself said
she was the best female
cyclist in the country,
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if not in the world.
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And of Kaitlin, he said,
he didn't like
riding with her,
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because she would
hold him back.
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She was too slow.
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So here you have
a 25-year-old much
younger woman,
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who is a rising star
in the field that he's in.
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And she just couldn't
manage that jealousy.
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Her friends said,
when she found out
that they had been dating,
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she was visibly
shaking with rage.
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[Derrick] And think
about that day, right.
So as you said,
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the iPad, she's seeing
the text messages
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and she's seeing Colin's
actively lying to her
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about where he is
and who he is with.
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So like you said,
she's driving
around that block.
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I think Moriah
comes out of the home.
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She's got her
cyclist bag with her.
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Kaitlin confronts her and--
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Wait, wait, wait.
That's bass ackwards.
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So, Colin Strickland,
the boyfriend,
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and there's nowhere
that's says
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they slept together.
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They went swimming
at, I think it's called
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little Eddy swimming area.
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Then they had
a hamburger.
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-That's it.
-Right.
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Then Moriah comes back.
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She goes in.
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And within one minute,
after Strickland
dropping her off,
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then you start seeing, uh,
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Kaitlin Armstrong
circling the area.
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-Then she goes in.
-Yeah.
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That's when it goes down.
But there's three bullets.
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So important.
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Because, I mean,
pre-meditation can be formed
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in the twinkling of an eye.
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The time it takes me
to pull a gun--
pull a trigger.
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That's enough
for pre-meditation.
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She shot her three times.
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Over a hamburger!
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With a man.
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You know what my
grandmother said, Derrick?
No offense.
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Men, they're like buses.
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Another comes along
every 15 minutes.
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-Not you of course,
because you're special.
-[Derrick] Yeah.
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But over a man
having a hamburger.
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Yeah. No, it's something
where I agree with you.
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She shows up.
I think she confronts.
Kaitlin confronts Moriah.
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There's probably
a brief conversation.
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I think at that point,
allegedly, this is my point.
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[Nancy] Allegedly, yes.
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She pulls out
the firearm.
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Moriah does what she can.
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She flees back
into the apartment.
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Kaitlin pursues her.
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It goes all the way
to the bathroom.
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And like you said,
she shoots her twice.
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I think, one, she actually
shot her in the finger.
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Obviously that's her trying
to protect herself.
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The final shot
is the execution shot,
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to ensure that she
accomplished
what she wanted to do.
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And then the door
not being locked.
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I know it's a minor thing.
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But the fact
that the apartment
door was not locked
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-tells me that--
-Well, it didn't really
have a key.
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-Yeah.
-It's not a traditional key.
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It's a digital code
like we see
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-out in the Idaho slays.
-Yes.
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So a digi code.
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You know that video
from the doorbell cam?
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-Mmm-hmm.
-You hear
Moriah screaming.
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Did the glam yoga teacher
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manage to charm her way
out of the country,
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get a nose job,
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and hide out in a popular
surf town in Costa Rica?
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Then, once back on U.S. soil,
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manage to talk her way
out of the jail,
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to mount yet
another escape.
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A jury hears
a frantic 911 call,
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and then a desperate attempt
to save the life
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of a super-star cyclist,
Moriah "Mo" Wilson.
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Wilson died of multiple
gunshot wounds,
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including straight
to her heart,
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all over a hamburger.
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Yes. Yoga teacher Kaitlin
Armstrong's boyfriend
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shared that hamburger
with Moriah Wilson,
say prosecutors.
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The stalking,
the spying,
the scheming,
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all leading to one thing,
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murder.
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Uh, joining us right now,
a special guest,
Brian Buckmire.
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Criminal defense attorney
and legal analyst.
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Brian, thanks for being
with us.
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First, I want you
to hear this portion
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of the opening statements
in court.
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All of this is just alleged.
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Kaitlin Armstrong
on trial for murder.
Listen.
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Wow. Brian, what do you
think about
that opening statement?
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I mean, for that aspect,
it was very good.
It's emotional.
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You're getting it through
the story of what they're
anticipating to hear.
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And the passion behind
it is very important.
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I mean, we're all talking
about these two shots,
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followed by a third,
execution style.
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And that's what's
gonna really grip the jury
to wanna listen to more.
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[Nancy] You know
what's interesting?
Did you hear the defense?
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The defense said,
you know, DNA,
that's not so much.
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DNA, eye witnesses,
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all that together,
that means nothing.
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DNA, you know, eh.
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-Really?
-It depends on DNA.
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Derrick and I were
talking about this.
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We have children. I say,
"Hey, when I walk into
the studio, I will do this."
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This morning I was
holding my son.
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Now this table has
my son's DNA on it.
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So if you come and say,
"Well, Brian Buckmire's son
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was on studio at CrimeFeed,"
I say, no.
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For me, it's about
the quantity of DNA.
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I wanna know how much,
not just the fact
that it's present.
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Interesting. Because for me,
it's location.
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I don't care if it's
a lot of DNA
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or a little bit of DNA.
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Because, maybe,
you can answer this.
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You're the renowned
defense attorney.
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Why do you think
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Kaitlin Armstrong
who had never
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associated with Moriah
"Mo" Wilson,
the murder victim,
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why was Kaitlin
Armstrong's DNA
on Mo's bike?
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On the handlebars
and the seat.
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And then it was hidden
in the bushes. Hmm.
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-So I'll play
defense attorney.
-Oh, please do.
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My wife's DNA
is also here.
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Wasn't it that Colin
was in a physical
relationship with Mo?
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So just like, when I came here
and I shook your hand,
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I'm sorry, my wife's DNA
is on your hand.
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-[Nancy] I ain't counting...
-I don't think the two of you
are gonna--
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-It's the way it is.
-That's a good
thought, though.
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-I respect that.
-It's the way it works.
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And you might
get once you are
to actually believe it.
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[Brian] And that's
all I need
as a defense attorney.
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So your theory
would be that Colin
was with Moriah
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and then he was
with Kaitlin,
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although all he did
was swim with Moriah
and have a hamburger?
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[Brian imitates yawning]
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-Yeah. That's what...
-I don't take a lot
of my just friends
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to go swimming.
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I think the relationship's
a lot more.
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But from my understanding,
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they also lived
in the same house.
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-I mean, how many
times are you walking--
-Who lived in the same house?
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Well, Kaitlin and Colin.
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But, to your point
about them being
more than just friends,
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what I think actually supports
Colin's claim
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that they were just
friends, is that,
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he dropped her off.
She was staying
there by herself.
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If he wanted to go inside,
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presumably he could have
and he chose not to.
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-But in terms of what your--
-[Nancy] That's
a good point, Mara.
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[Mara] Thank you.
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Well, looking at her
like a wife.
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-At least he didn't go inside.
-[Brian] Well,
she chose not to.
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[Mara] Perhaps. But...
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in terms of things
the defense is gonna
have to explain,
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how are they gonna explain
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fleeing to Costa Rica,
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using a fake name,
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reportedly using
her sister's passport,
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getting plastic surgery,
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signing up for yoga classes
under an alias?
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How are they
gonna explain that?
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So you can explain
it one at a time, definitely.
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But as I was telling
Derrick before, the jurors
will start to roll their eyes.
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Because I can explain,
hey, you flee to Costa Rica,
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the defense says,
she does this,
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spur-of-the-moment trips
to go and be a yogi.
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She's a 35-year-old-woman
who is in her mind,
cheated on.
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She does plastic surgery,
'cause she wants to look
younger, more beautiful.
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Because this man
clearly wants to leave
for someone else, right?
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-But as I keep going--
-[Nancy] Why do men always
make it about them?
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She did this because of him.
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And have you noticed, Mara?
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That we keep...
Well, not us.
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Many people keep
talking about
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Kaitlin Armstrong,
Kaitlin Armstrong.
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What about Moriah?
What about Mo?
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Her family has been
in that court room watching.
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And how sick
do you think they are
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of hearing people say,
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glam yoga teacher.
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She ain't so glam
with blood on her hands.
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No, I think we're gonna
have a--
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I think they're gonna get
the outcome
they're hoping for.
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I know Brian
might disagree with me.
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But Brian, I wanted to
go back to the case because,
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I know you can break down
each individual thing,
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the DNA,
you can pick it apart,
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the-- her being near,
why she was there
in the first place.
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But, when you consider
in totality,
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you have digital evidence,
you have forensic evidence
with the DNA,
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you have ballistics evidence
as well
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and obviously you have
the stuff after the fact.
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How, as a defense attorney,
do you attack all of that?
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'Cause in totality,
you have to admit,
it looks really bad.
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It is, you--
you're gonna get buried
353
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by the weight
of this evidence.
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There-- it is--
no way, shape or form
you can get around this.
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I-I think at best,
as a defense attorney,
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you hug the burden of proof
beyond a reasonable doubt
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and try to create
some doubt.
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And, I think this case,
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largely feeds on
who you selected.
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Sometimes, it's not
the information you have
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-but who's receiving it.
And I think this is--
-You mean the 12 on the box?
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-[Brian] Yes.
-The jurors.
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One thing that really
is going to hit home,
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you can explain away
a lot,
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but she used a fake name
to leave the country.
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-She used
her sister's passport.
-[Derrick] Yeah.
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So far, her sister has not
been implicated
in any crime.
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But, the fact that
you leave the country
under a fake name,
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and Mara, uh,
I looked into it,
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what she was teaching
or trying to teach
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was surf yoga.
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I don't know
what that is.
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I guess yoga
while you're surfing.
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I'm not sure,
but think about her choice
of Costa Rica, Mara.
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You've got the rainforest
in, uh, Monteverde,
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you've got the volcanos
in Arenal,
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and then you've got the beach
in Tamarindo.
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She could've blended in
anywhere.
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But, because of her vanity
and that nose job,
they found her.
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But what's-- that's what's
so incongruous to me
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about this person
committing this crime
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because yoga is all about
being centered.
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Yoga's a spiritual practice
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far more than
a physical practice.
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[Nancy] Have you ever tried
to hold those
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-poses very long?
-Well, you know, I--
[chuckles]
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'Cause that is not
spiritual.
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-It's pain!
-But-- it's supposed to
teach you patience
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and it's supposed to
teach you how to endure
difficult situations.
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So, you have someone
who is practicing
and teaching others
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-the spiritual practice
that is centered on...
-[Nancy] Zen.
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...loving, kindness
and compassion and namaste,
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goes to Costa Rica
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which is a hub
of that kinda activity
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and inside her,
there's this duality.
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-[Derrick] Yeah.
-The trial is going on
right now
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and all of these crimes
are alleged.
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She has declared herself
innocent.
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Brian Buckmire,
thank you so much
for being with us.
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Everybody,
when we come back,
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with "friends" like these,
who needs enemies?
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00:16:19,033 --> 00:16:22,389
Shanquella Robinson
heads to a lux resort
for a girls' trip.
403
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:25,288
It's an all-inclusive
Mexican resort.
404
00:16:25,288 --> 00:16:29,016
But, Shanquella never makes it
home to her mother.
405
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I'm Nancy Grace,
this is CrimeFeed.
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Thanks for being with us.
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Where is lady justice tonight?
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A beautiful young woman
with her whole life
in front of her
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dies after a savage beating
410
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that was actually videoed
by her so-called friends.
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Warning, this video
is so difficult to watch.
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Shanquella Robinson's
friends wake her up,
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00:16:57,474 --> 00:16:59,322
roused her out of bed
414
00:16:59,322 --> 00:17:02,220
and the beating commences.
415
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All the while laughing,
cackling, insulting her.
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00:17:06,135 --> 00:17:08,000
[inaudible]
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It all goes down
at a luxe resort near Cabo.
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Her friends even shouting
at her
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to fight back
but she did not.
420
00:17:15,117 --> 00:17:16,185
I don't get it.
421
00:17:16,185 --> 00:17:18,237
Shanquella is dead.
422
00:17:18,237 --> 00:17:21,000
The attack is caught
on video.
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I have personally confirmed
the names of the "friends"
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registered
at the resort.
425
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They coincide
with the attackers
on that video.
426
00:17:28,388 --> 00:17:31,237
So, why are they still
walking free?
427
00:17:31,237 --> 00:17:33,118
Why no prosecution?
428
00:17:33,118 --> 00:17:35,220
We will talk to
Shanquella's mother
429
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and the family lawyer
in just a few moments.
430
00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,220
But, Mara, what happened?
431
00:17:39,220 --> 00:17:41,474
Yeah, the big problem here,
Nancy, is that this,
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00:17:41,474 --> 00:17:44,220
uh, if this was a crime,
if this was a homicide
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00:17:44,220 --> 00:17:48,033
and they still are not
necessarily able to confirm
that it was a homicide,
434
00:17:48,033 --> 00:17:51,389
but if this homicide
took place in Mexico,
that is the complication.
435
00:17:51,389 --> 00:17:54,220
Because you have
this taking place in Mexico,
436
00:17:54,220 --> 00:17:57,186
then the group, basically,
sneaks out of the country,
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00:17:57,186 --> 00:18:00,440
The ask for a ride to dinner
on the day that
Shanquella dies
438
00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,389
and then
they leave the country
with Shanquella's stuff.
439
00:18:03,389 --> 00:18:07,288
The Mexican authorities
issue an arrest warrant
for Daejhanae Jackson
440
00:18:07,288 --> 00:18:09,389
which is the woman
that was seen on video,
441
00:18:09,389 --> 00:18:11,271
but she's back
in the United States
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00:18:11,271 --> 00:18:13,220
so, now, the United States
has a decision to make.
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The State Department
and the Department of Justice,
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00:18:15,338 --> 00:18:17,372
do they extradite this woman
to Mexico
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and make her available
for prosecution there
446
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or do they prosecute her
here in the United States
447
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based on a rarely used law
that says,
448
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if an American citizen
kills another American
citizen overseas,
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in some cases,
they can be prosecuted here.
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-It's a nightmare.
-[Nancy] Got a question
for you.
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Have either of you
heard the term,
because I had not
452
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until this case,
atlas luxation?
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00:18:38,237 --> 00:18:41,169
-[Mara] No.
-Atlas luxation.
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00:18:41,169 --> 00:18:44,271
It is essentially a...
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00:18:44,271 --> 00:18:48,050
an internal decapitation
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where your head is decapitated
from your spine.
457
00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:58,000
That, an atlas luxation
is what happened
to Shanquella.
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00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,288
That's why she died.
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In the Mexican autopsy
there's a lot about,
460
00:19:01,322 --> 00:19:04,169
"Oh, she had been drinking
and we don't know
the cause of death."
461
00:19:04,169 --> 00:19:07,389
Hello! She was decapitated,
internally.
462
00:19:07,389 --> 00:19:10,016
So, when you look at the body
you don't see it.
463
00:19:10,016 --> 00:19:12,169
When you look at the X-ray
you see it.
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That's the COD,
cause of death.
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So, little bit
of a surprise here,
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I'm gonna play defense
attorney on this one
a little bit
467
00:19:17,186 --> 00:19:19,118
because I have some issues
with this case and
it's... it's...
468
00:19:19,118 --> 00:19:21,237
it's more about
what you just said, so,
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00:19:21,237 --> 00:19:23,288
Mexico, when they did
the autopsy report,
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00:19:23,288 --> 00:19:26,440
coroner Dr. Terrence Owens,
uh, Thomas Owens I should say,
471
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he has a difference of opinion
as far as that autopsy.
472
00:19:29,288 --> 00:19:32,016
First off, they did say
there was a dislocation
of the neck
473
00:19:32,016 --> 00:19:33,372
and there was
a spinal cord injury.
474
00:19:33,372 --> 00:19:36,440
-However, when Mecklenburg--
-[Nancy coughs] Sorry,
I choked.
475
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,220
-A dislocation?
-That's... that's what
they said.
476
00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:40,067
That sounds more like,
"Ow, my shoulder hurts."
477
00:19:40,067 --> 00:19:43,389
Not that your head
is literally separated
from your spine.
478
00:19:43,389 --> 00:19:45,084
[Derrick] Well, here's the
problem with it, though.
479
00:19:45,084 --> 00:19:47,237
So, Thomas Owens
says in his report,
480
00:19:47,237 --> 00:19:50,186
"They never physically
examined her neck
or spinal cord."
481
00:19:50,186 --> 00:19:52,440
So, they were... How were they
able to determine that?
But he did.
482
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,016
Even after the embalming
he was able to do that.
483
00:19:55,016 --> 00:19:56,389
And he says, and I'm gonna
quote it right here,
484
00:19:56,389 --> 00:19:58,338
"There is no evidence
of any disruption
485
00:19:58,338 --> 00:20:01,220
of the spinal column alignment
or subluxation."
486
00:20:01,220 --> 00:20:04,338
So, basically, he's saying
there's no injury to her neck
and on top of that
487
00:20:04,338 --> 00:20:07,000
the alcohol, the toxicology
results which he...
488
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,084
he can't do those
after the fact,
489
00:20:09,084 --> 00:20:11,050
it just came back negative
in Mexico
490
00:20:11,050 --> 00:20:14,288
but he's saying, listen,
there were ten and a half
hours between the assault
491
00:20:14,288 --> 00:20:16,084
and the time
that she passed away,
492
00:20:16,084 --> 00:20:19,186
that would've been
plenty of time for the alcohol
to metabolize,
493
00:20:19,186 --> 00:20:21,220
-so, it's still
possible that--
-I don't know if that's true.
494
00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:22,423
That's what...
that's what he's saying.
495
00:20:22,423 --> 00:20:24,237
-That's what he's saying, so,
this is a big issue.
-No, I know but he
496
00:20:24,237 --> 00:20:27,135
is a... a per...
a person here
497
00:20:27,135 --> 00:20:30,118
basing his opinion
on what he's been told
498
00:20:30,118 --> 00:20:31,288
-as Mara--
-[Derrick] No,
he's doing the report.
499
00:20:31,288 --> 00:20:33,084
He's doing the actual exam
of her body.
500
00:20:33,084 --> 00:20:35,440
Yes, I know that.
Let me... let me clarify.
501
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,084
-Was he in the room
when she was beaten dead?
-[Derrick] No.
502
00:20:38,084 --> 00:20:40,288
Oh! So, he doesn't know
what time it was.
503
00:20:40,288 --> 00:20:43,288
Mara, we don't know
if ten hours stretched apart.
504
00:20:43,288 --> 00:20:47,186
From what I can tell,
she was already with her head,
505
00:20:47,186 --> 00:20:50,288
uh, severed...
internal decapitation.
506
00:20:50,288 --> 00:20:54,338
When the cleaning lady comes
and finds her
507
00:20:54,338 --> 00:20:57,050
and in that video
you clearly see,
508
00:20:57,050 --> 00:20:58,389
and her family has told me,
509
00:20:58,389 --> 00:21:01,338
she slept without
her clothes on.
510
00:21:01,338 --> 00:21:04,271
Somehow, she's got
her clothes back on.
511
00:21:04,271 --> 00:21:06,288
They have redressed her
512
00:21:06,288 --> 00:21:09,237
and left her there
for the cleaning lady to find.
513
00:21:09,237 --> 00:21:11,389
How long do I know
the time that passed?
514
00:21:11,389 --> 00:21:13,288
Well, but... but Derrick
is speaking to is...
515
00:21:13,288 --> 00:21:15,389
is discrepancies between
the two autopsies.
516
00:21:15,389 --> 00:21:18,288
-[Nancy] Yeah.
-So, the Mexican government,
Mexican officials
517
00:21:18,288 --> 00:21:20,389
didn't autopsy
the final morning.
518
00:21:20,389 --> 00:21:23,050
So, at that time,
she died around
6:00 p.m.
519
00:21:23,050 --> 00:21:26,000
They didn't do the autopsy
until the final day
around 9:00 a--
520
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,186
The next day around 9:00 a.m.
521
00:21:28,186 --> 00:21:31,322
So, at that time they did
a toxicology for alcohol
522
00:21:31,322 --> 00:21:35,220
and at that time
so much time had gone by
that it could have metabolized
523
00:21:35,220 --> 00:21:38,389
and that is maybe
why they came up with
the negative for alcohol.
524
00:21:38,389 --> 00:21:42,220
They also only did
a partial autopsy
according to US officials...
525
00:21:42,220 --> 00:21:44,220
-That's right.
-...and as they say,
partial autopsies
526
00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:45,440
lead to partial results.
527
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,186
So, by the time the body
came back to the United States
528
00:21:48,186 --> 00:21:50,389
and US officials
did their autopsy,
529
00:21:50,389 --> 00:21:52,389
A, the body had already
been embalmed.
530
00:21:52,389 --> 00:21:55,050
B, part of the skull
had been removed.
531
00:21:55,050 --> 00:21:57,135
C, they could not do
any more toxicology
532
00:21:57,135 --> 00:21:59,220
because too much time
had passed.
533
00:21:59,220 --> 00:22:02,389
So, there's a huge problem
here in answering
basic questions.
534
00:22:02,389 --> 00:22:04,338
Did the beating
cause her death?
535
00:22:04,338 --> 00:22:06,322
We don't know the answer
to that question.
536
00:22:06,322 --> 00:22:08,118
[Nancy] Another question
for both of you?
537
00:22:08,118 --> 00:22:11,474
Should I believe you
or my lying eyes?
538
00:22:11,474 --> 00:22:14,050
Because I see her
539
00:22:14,050 --> 00:22:17,084
yanked out of her bed
without her clothes on.
540
00:22:17,084 --> 00:22:19,322
I see the friend hitting her
541
00:22:19,322 --> 00:22:23,237
and you can see her neck
go over like that.
542
00:22:23,237 --> 00:22:25,084
I can see it.
543
00:22:25,084 --> 00:22:27,067
-But as you all know--
-You play that for a jury
544
00:22:27,067 --> 00:22:30,338
and I guarantee you
they're gonna believe that
545
00:22:30,338 --> 00:22:32,186
was the COD,
cause of death.
546
00:22:32,186 --> 00:22:34,084
But the timeframe she--
547
00:22:34,084 --> 00:22:36,220
The fight took place around
7:30 in the morning,
548
00:22:36,220 --> 00:22:39,186
the housekeeper discovers her
in the bathroom around noon.
549
00:22:39,186 --> 00:22:42,084
The friends can very well say,
"She was fine after the fight.
550
00:22:42,084 --> 00:22:44,067
She got up, she got dressed,
we had breakfast,
551
00:22:44,067 --> 00:22:45,372
we had drinks in the morning,
552
00:22:45,372 --> 00:22:48,000
-we don't know what took place
in the four hours after."
-[Nancy] So?
553
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,491
Here... here's the thing
for me. Now, I've had
this happen
554
00:22:49,491 --> 00:22:53,220
in a case, unfortunately
where we talk about detectives
and prosecutors
555
00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:55,288
and defense attorneys
and how important they are.
556
00:22:55,288 --> 00:22:58,118
You know who's the most
important person?
The pathologist.
557
00:22:58,118 --> 00:23:01,135
Because if they don't
come back and say homicide,
you have nothing.
558
00:23:01,135 --> 00:23:03,067
And then that's what's
going on here in the States.
559
00:23:03,067 --> 00:23:05,423
They're saying,
"Listen, it's undetermined.
What do you want us to do?"
560
00:23:05,423 --> 00:23:07,440
And I will say this
to your point...
561
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,135
Yeah, they're saying
it's a dislocation of the neck
562
00:23:10,135 --> 00:23:14,016
but I can tell you right now
an embalming is not gonna heal
those injuries to that neck.
563
00:23:14,016 --> 00:23:16,084
So, the fact that
she didn't have those injuries
564
00:23:16,084 --> 00:23:18,440
when the pathologist here
in the States conducted
that autopsy,
565
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,084
-big problem.
-Well, you know what,
566
00:23:20,084 --> 00:23:24,491
let's see what her mother
and the family lawyer
have to say.
567
00:23:24,491 --> 00:23:26,372
When we come back,
what do we have to do
568
00:23:26,372 --> 00:23:29,084
to get justice
for Shanquella Robinson?
569
00:23:29,084 --> 00:23:33,101
We talk to her mother
and the family lawyer.
570
00:23:44,389 --> 00:23:46,135
Their mothers
and their fathers,
those parents
571
00:23:46,135 --> 00:23:48,101
or those six individuals
572
00:23:49,033 --> 00:23:51,237
don't have no decency
573
00:23:51,237 --> 00:23:53,338
to call and say, you know,
"Mr. Robinson,
574
00:23:53,338 --> 00:23:55,372
we're sorry about the loss
of your daughter."
575
00:23:55,372 --> 00:23:58,084
Their life is still
moving along
576
00:23:58,084 --> 00:24:00,322
but this father right here
struggling each and every day,
577
00:24:01,084 --> 00:24:03,118
you know. I cry.
578
00:24:04,237 --> 00:24:06,118
Everyday is a struggle for me.
579
00:24:07,067 --> 00:24:09,118
It's been one very long year
580
00:24:09,118 --> 00:24:12,050
since Shanquella Robinson left
her home in North Carolina
581
00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:16,186
for a girls getaway
at a Cabo resort
she never made it home.
582
00:24:16,186 --> 00:24:20,220
Shanquella dies
after a horrific beating,
583
00:24:20,220 --> 00:24:24,423
savagely attacked
by a group of women
she thought were her friends.
584
00:24:24,423 --> 00:24:27,338
Shanquella just 25 years old.
585
00:24:27,338 --> 00:24:31,135
With us now,
Sallamondra Robinson,
this is Shanquella's mother,
586
00:24:31,135 --> 00:24:33,084
and Sue-Ann Robinson,
587
00:24:33,084 --> 00:24:37,084
the lead attorney
working with the family
on this case.
588
00:24:37,084 --> 00:24:40,288
Ms. Robinson, thank you
so much for being with us
589
00:24:40,288 --> 00:24:44,084
and please know
we have been in prayer
590
00:24:44,084 --> 00:24:49,016
for you and your family
and your daughter
since the get-go.
591
00:24:49,016 --> 00:24:52,288
And to your lawyer,
Ms. Robinson,
592
00:24:52,288 --> 00:24:57,389
what do you believe
is the cause of death
of Shanquella?
593
00:24:57,389 --> 00:25:02,067
I believe that
the Mexican autopsy has
the most accurate information
594
00:25:02,067 --> 00:25:05,186
because it was done
contemporaneously with
her death.
595
00:25:05,186 --> 00:25:08,237
And the cause of death
would be what?
596
00:25:08,237 --> 00:25:12,322
Her cause of death was listed
as an injury to her neck,
to her spine.
597
00:25:12,322 --> 00:25:15,135
Sue-Ann, it's Derrick here,
I... I looked at the autopsy
598
00:25:15,135 --> 00:25:18,186
and we're seeing the autopsy
from Dr. Owens as well,
599
00:25:18,186 --> 00:25:20,271
uh, here in the States,
Mecklenburg County.
600
00:25:20,271 --> 00:25:24,135
Uh, he's stating that
Mexican officials did not
physically examine
601
00:25:24,135 --> 00:25:26,389
her... her spinal cord
or her neck
602
00:25:26,389 --> 00:25:28,372
and he found no injuries.
603
00:25:28,372 --> 00:25:30,389
Do you see that as a
complication in this case?
604
00:25:30,389 --> 00:25:32,169
Do you feel that that's why,
605
00:25:32,169 --> 00:25:36,118
uh, US officials are hesitant
to... to pursue
this case more?
606
00:25:36,118 --> 00:25:39,440
No. Obviously,
I... I don't know what
their real reason is
607
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,389
but the... the issue for us
and for the family
608
00:25:42,389 --> 00:25:46,016
and for everyone that has eyes
and has seen the video
609
00:25:46,016 --> 00:25:50,423
is that,
the issue of her being beaten
was never addressed.
610
00:25:50,423 --> 00:25:52,440
When the three individuals
came back
611
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,288
and visited with Ms. Mondie
which she can talk about.
612
00:25:55,288 --> 00:25:58,288
They never mentioned
the incident that
613
00:25:58,288 --> 00:26:01,271
-Shanquella was beaten
just prior...
-You're right.
614
00:26:01,271 --> 00:26:03,372
...to her passing away.
It was never mentioned.
615
00:26:03,372 --> 00:26:05,135
-So, that's always
going to be--
-[Nancy] Ms. Mondie,
616
00:26:05,135 --> 00:26:06,186
can you tell us about that?
617
00:26:06,186 --> 00:26:09,389
When they...
These girls in the video,
618
00:26:09,389 --> 00:26:12,288
and there was one guy there,
a friend guy,
619
00:26:12,288 --> 00:26:15,237
uh, they came and visited you.
620
00:26:15,237 --> 00:26:19,084
They never mentioned
they pulled her out of bed,
621
00:26:19,084 --> 00:26:21,169
your little girl, Shanquella,
622
00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:24,084
and beat her,
and in the video,
623
00:26:24,084 --> 00:26:27,440
Ms. Robinson, you can see
Shanquella's head
624
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,372
kick off to one side.
625
00:26:29,372 --> 00:26:33,372
That's when the mortal blow
was landed, I believe.
626
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,389
I do, too.
627
00:26:35,389 --> 00:26:38,288
What did they tell you
when they came to your house?
628
00:26:38,288 --> 00:26:40,423
They told me
there was never a fight
629
00:26:40,423 --> 00:26:43,237
and that Shanquella had drunk
too much.
630
00:26:43,237 --> 00:26:46,050
But, um,
shortly after they said that
631
00:26:46,050 --> 00:26:50,288
someone had called and said
that, um, there was no such
thing as alcohol poisoning,
632
00:26:50,288 --> 00:26:52,389
said they was over there
fighting her.
633
00:26:52,389 --> 00:26:55,423
And shortly after that
the video was released.
634
00:26:55,423 --> 00:26:57,338
You know, the video
was already out
635
00:26:57,338 --> 00:26:59,118
because people was calling
and saying that
636
00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:02,271
but we didn't... we...
my family hadn't seen
the video.
637
00:27:03,067 --> 00:27:05,135
And so, when we seen the video
638
00:27:05,135 --> 00:27:07,067
we knew that they was lying
right then.
639
00:27:07,067 --> 00:27:08,389
But we had questioned them
but they said,
640
00:27:08,389 --> 00:27:12,084
"No, there was never a fight
it was only
alcohol poisoning."
641
00:27:12,084 --> 00:27:13,389
She had drank too much.
642
00:27:13,389 --> 00:27:17,135
Ms. Mondie,
the concierge of the hotel,
after the fact,
643
00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:19,186
said that the night
that the group arrived,
644
00:27:19,186 --> 00:27:21,186
Shanquella seemed
out of place.
645
00:27:21,186 --> 00:27:22,220
And this is what he said,
646
00:27:22,220 --> 00:27:24,389
"She seemed not to fit in
with the others.
647
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:27,322
She did not greet me or smile.
She was indifferent.
648
00:27:27,322 --> 00:27:30,016
She was out of place
at that party."
649
00:27:30,016 --> 00:27:31,474
When you spoke to her
did she indicate
650
00:27:31,474 --> 00:27:34,135
that there were
any problems with other people
in the group,
651
00:27:34,135 --> 00:27:37,237
do you have any idea
why they were fighting?
652
00:27:37,237 --> 00:27:40,338
[Sallamondra] No,
I have no idea but
when I spoke with Shanquella
653
00:27:40,338 --> 00:27:42,084
she seemed to be okay.
654
00:27:42,084 --> 00:27:43,271
She said they was getting
ready to eat,
655
00:27:43,271 --> 00:27:45,440
they had a chef,
they was finna eat tacos.
656
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,084
So, I didn't hold her up
on the phone.
657
00:27:48,084 --> 00:27:50,288
I told her, I said,
"Well, enjoy yourself.
Love you,
658
00:27:50,288 --> 00:27:52,389
and I will speak
with you tomorrow."
659
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:55,186
And that was the last time
I spoke with her.
660
00:27:55,186 --> 00:27:58,440
Ms. Robinson,
when did you learn
661
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,152
that Shanquella was dead?
662
00:28:02,338 --> 00:28:05,220
Um, Khalil Cooke called me
and told me
663
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:09,322
that Shanquella was sick
due to alcohol poison.
664
00:28:09,322 --> 00:28:11,440
And I said
what is alcohol poison?
665
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,033
And he said
she had too much to drink.
666
00:28:14,033 --> 00:28:15,474
And said
he was giving her water
667
00:28:15,474 --> 00:28:17,288
and said a nurse
was on the way.
668
00:28:17,288 --> 00:28:21,016
That's what he said,
a doctor, a nurse
was on the way.
669
00:28:21,016 --> 00:28:25,118
And, um, he was, um,
going to, um...
670
00:28:25,118 --> 00:28:27,288
I said, "Well, why you can't
take her to the hospital?"
671
00:28:27,288 --> 00:28:30,491
And at that time he said
he needed $5,000
672
00:28:30,491 --> 00:28:33,000
to take her
to the emergency room
673
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,084
because they
don't take insurance.
674
00:28:35,084 --> 00:28:39,220
Isn't it true
that they waited hours?
675
00:28:39,220 --> 00:28:42,288
Someone from Mexico al...
already had said
676
00:28:42,288 --> 00:28:45,135
that they wouldn't even let
them take her to the hospital.
677
00:28:45,135 --> 00:28:48,338
So, why wouldn't you let her,
let them take her
to the hospital
678
00:28:48,338 --> 00:28:51,237
if she needed... needed,
um, doctor's care?
679
00:28:51,237 --> 00:28:53,237
You know, the doctor came,
the doctor didn't know
680
00:28:53,237 --> 00:28:55,423
what she was doing,
apparently,
681
00:28:55,423 --> 00:28:59,084
because they telling her
alcohol and she's been beaten
682
00:28:59,084 --> 00:29:02,067
and the doctor treating her
for alcohol poison.
683
00:29:02,067 --> 00:29:04,118
Yeah, what was the doctor
supposed to think?
684
00:29:04,118 --> 00:29:07,423
These "friends"
were giving the doctor,
685
00:29:07,423 --> 00:29:12,389
giving the ER, giving the EMTs
all false information.
686
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:15,389
And we don't have justice
for Shanquella.
687
00:29:15,389 --> 00:29:20,033
How is this somehow
Shanquella's fault that
she had had a few drinks?
688
00:29:20,033 --> 00:29:23,050
How is that happening?
It's like we're blaming her.
689
00:29:23,050 --> 00:29:26,389
Her neck is separated
from her head.
690
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:29,050
That is the problem.
Not the...
691
00:29:29,050 --> 00:29:32,474
The, uh, Moscow mule she had
down in the restaurant.
692
00:29:32,474 --> 00:29:35,372
Yeah, I also think that,
I'm not even gonna refer
to them as friends,
693
00:29:35,372 --> 00:29:38,338
"travel mates", right?
These guys, obviously,
their behavior
694
00:29:38,338 --> 00:29:41,033
during this event... terrible.
Shouldn't have happened.
695
00:29:41,033 --> 00:29:43,288
But I also think I'm gonna
steal it from our
previous guest, a phrase,
696
00:29:43,288 --> 00:29:46,237
"Consciousness of guilt,"
right? Their behavior
after the fact.
697
00:29:46,237 --> 00:29:49,067
And I'd really
like to hone in on
the behavior...
698
00:29:49,067 --> 00:29:51,491
The... the detour to take
a flight out of the country,
immediately
699
00:29:51,491 --> 00:29:54,237
and then
the immediate response
to go to Ms. Mondie's home
700
00:29:54,237 --> 00:29:56,169
to try to control
the narrative, right?
701
00:29:56,169 --> 00:29:58,186
It's almost like, as parents
we know, you have your kid
702
00:29:58,186 --> 00:30:00,271
who comes in from
the other room and says,
"Mom, Dad,
703
00:30:00,271 --> 00:30:03,186
the plant got knocked over
by the dog but I...
I cleaned it up."
704
00:30:03,186 --> 00:30:05,000
They're trying
to get in front of it.
705
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,271
That's what it feels like
to me here, that they were
trying to get in front of it
706
00:30:07,271 --> 00:30:09,288
before they had a chance
to do their own investigation.
707
00:30:09,288 --> 00:30:12,186
Well, now I do have to wonder,
uh, Sue-Ann Robinson,
708
00:30:12,186 --> 00:30:15,050
uh, now that American
officials have decided
709
00:30:15,050 --> 00:30:17,033
that they are not going to
prosecute here
710
00:30:17,033 --> 00:30:18,474
and they're not gonna take
any further steps,
711
00:30:18,474 --> 00:30:22,271
uh, when it comes
to this investigation,
what is your plan?
712
00:30:22,271 --> 00:30:26,186
I know that the family
still very much wants justice.
What now?
713
00:30:26,186 --> 00:30:29,423
I think that we've been clear
from the beginning
in saying that
714
00:30:29,423 --> 00:30:35,186
even if the FBI
in Mecklenburg County
decided to decline charges,
715
00:30:35,186 --> 00:30:37,322
that there's a clear path
to justice
716
00:30:37,322 --> 00:30:41,474
because there's a treaty
in transnational
criminal cases
717
00:30:41,474 --> 00:30:45,288
that would permit Mexico
to submit their documents,
718
00:30:45,288 --> 00:30:49,338
their own investigation
which has been completed
and sent in
719
00:30:49,338 --> 00:30:55,135
and the US State Department
would then have to authorize
an extradition proceeding,
720
00:30:55,135 --> 00:30:57,338
which would then begin
a federal court case
721
00:30:57,338 --> 00:31:02,474
where the person named in
the Mexican investigation
as the defendant
722
00:31:02,474 --> 00:31:06,389
would have the opportunity
to protest the extradition,
723
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:08,372
say they don't wanna
be sent over,
724
00:31:08,372 --> 00:31:11,338
challenge anything
in the Mexican investigation.
725
00:31:11,338 --> 00:31:14,271
The US department
has failed to do so.
726
00:31:14,271 --> 00:31:19,067
They have not authorized
the extradition proceedings
to begin
727
00:31:19,067 --> 00:31:23,118
despite the fact
that Mexico has completed
their investigation
728
00:31:23,118 --> 00:31:25,491
and sent
all the documentation in
729
00:31:25,491 --> 00:31:28,372
to permit the US to do so.
730
00:31:28,372 --> 00:31:32,186
Ms. Robinson, question to you.
I was thinking about
731
00:31:32,186 --> 00:31:35,338
what you've been through,
uh, losing Shanquella,
732
00:31:35,338 --> 00:31:39,288
not knowing
what was happening,
being lied to
733
00:31:39,288 --> 00:31:42,033
over and over and over.
734
00:31:42,033 --> 00:31:47,322
You know, Ms. Robinson,
we managed to find
these "friends".
735
00:31:47,322 --> 00:31:50,220
They're not
really even hiding.
736
00:31:50,220 --> 00:31:53,389
Now, immediately after,
some of them moved from
their apartment
737
00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:55,135
and moved somewhere else but
738
00:31:55,135 --> 00:31:57,016
they still got
the same cell numbers,
739
00:31:57,016 --> 00:31:59,237
they're still using
the same credit cards,
740
00:31:59,237 --> 00:32:01,135
they're still driving
the same cars.
741
00:32:01,135 --> 00:32:03,288
They're very easy to find.
742
00:32:03,288 --> 00:32:05,186
I gotta ask you, Ms. Robinson,
743
00:32:05,186 --> 00:32:08,288
how do you put your head
on your pillow at night
744
00:32:08,288 --> 00:32:11,288
and you think about Shanquella
and you know
745
00:32:11,288 --> 00:32:15,220
that there has been
no justice?
746
00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:20,016
Well, it's very hard but
you know I asked God give me
strength to keep going.
747
00:32:20,016 --> 00:32:23,135
You know, and I...
I believe that we will
get justice
748
00:32:23,135 --> 00:32:25,237
because, um, they didn't
get away with this.
749
00:32:25,237 --> 00:32:27,084
It's too much evidence
out there
750
00:32:27,084 --> 00:32:30,169
and now, for the U...
for the government
to say that... the US...
751
00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:32,135
um, um, the FBI,
752
00:32:32,135 --> 00:32:34,491
um, to say that they
don't have enough evidence...
753
00:32:34,491 --> 00:32:38,033
First of all, they didn't do
their job correctly
754
00:32:38,033 --> 00:32:40,135
and, um, there's plenty
of evidence out there.
755
00:32:40,135 --> 00:32:43,000
Why would you stop her
from going to the hospital?
756
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,423
You know,
then you fly back here,
757
00:32:44,423 --> 00:32:46,135
you [indistinct],
you come back here
758
00:32:46,135 --> 00:32:49,135
and then you, um,
say that she, um,
759
00:32:49,135 --> 00:32:51,169
she died with alcohol poison.
760
00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:54,237
Clearly in that video
when Shanquella said no,
761
00:32:54,237 --> 00:32:56,389
they woke Shanquella up
out her sleep to fight her.
762
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:59,423
Shanquella was not drunk
no kind of way.
763
00:32:59,423 --> 00:33:03,033
You know, they woke her up
out her sleep to fight her.
764
00:33:03,033 --> 00:33:05,423
If she had been drinking
she had slept it off.
765
00:33:05,423 --> 00:33:09,288
Yeah, one quick thing,
the decision by you guys
to sue civilly,
766
00:33:09,288 --> 00:33:09,983
I think is genius.
767
00:33:09,983 --> 00:33:14,135
You can now force people
to be deposed and hopefully
from that case
768
00:33:14,135 --> 00:33:15,491
you get more information about
what happened
769
00:33:15,491 --> 00:33:17,338
because not everyone
had an equal,
770
00:33:17,338 --> 00:33:19,389
uh, participation
in that whole incident.
771
00:33:19,389 --> 00:33:22,220
And who knows, maybe through
that civil case you get
something out of it
772
00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:24,067
that... that leads
to something further.
773
00:33:24,067 --> 00:33:26,084
Ms. Robinson and
Sue-Ann Robinson,
774
00:33:26,084 --> 00:33:28,372
thank you so much
for being with us.
775
00:33:28,372 --> 00:33:32,491
Coming up, a family court
judge gunned down
in his own driveway.
776
00:33:32,491 --> 00:33:35,186
His wife and child
inside the house
777
00:33:35,186 --> 00:33:40,271
just hours after
he makes a ruling
in a divorce and custody case.
778
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:50,237
An abusive husband and dad
goes after the judge
779
00:33:50,237 --> 00:33:54,474
who grants his wife
a divorce and
awards her custody.
780
00:33:54,474 --> 00:33:58,288
Washington County
circuit court judge,
Andrew Wilkinson,
781
00:33:58,288 --> 00:34:04,423
husband and father,
dead in the driveway
of his own home.
782
00:34:04,423 --> 00:34:08,083
Washington County community
can breathe a little easier
this afternoon
783
00:34:08,083 --> 00:34:12,083
murder suspect Pedro Argote
was located deceased.
784
00:34:12,083 --> 00:34:14,118
Until the autopsy is complete
785
00:34:14,118 --> 00:34:18,371
we will not be able to answer
questions surrounding his
cause or time of death.
786
00:34:18,371 --> 00:34:22,322
That's Washington County,
Maryland, Sheriff Brian Albert
expressing relief
787
00:34:22,322 --> 00:34:26,033
after state police discover
the body of Pedro Argote.
788
00:34:26,033 --> 00:34:29,168
Judge Andrew Wilkinson heard
shocking testimony
789
00:34:29,168 --> 00:34:32,067
from Argote's
very brave daughter
790
00:34:32,067 --> 00:34:34,338
that her father was
extremely abusive
791
00:34:34,338 --> 00:34:37,288
and then the judge
was killed in his driveway.
792
00:34:37,288 --> 00:34:41,067
Mara, Derrick,
just so upsetting.
793
00:34:41,067 --> 00:34:44,016
And clearly,
the judge was right.
794
00:34:44,016 --> 00:34:47,050
You know, the mother described
having to stand between
795
00:34:47,050 --> 00:34:49,440
her little 11-year-old girl,
that's the one
796
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,237
that Argote seemed
to hate the most.
797
00:34:52,237 --> 00:34:54,288
He was going to attack her
798
00:34:54,288 --> 00:34:58,220
and that is when the mom knew,
"I've gotta leave."
799
00:34:58,220 --> 00:35:00,474
Yeah, well the... the abuse
that was described
800
00:35:00,474 --> 00:35:03,135
during this custody hearing,
this divorce hearing,
801
00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:05,033
the allegations were very,
very severe.
802
00:35:05,033 --> 00:35:07,474
I mean, the mother claimed
that, uh, he abused
the children.
803
00:35:07,474 --> 00:35:11,084
She said he would stuff
a towel inside
the baby's mouth
804
00:35:11,084 --> 00:35:13,440
when the baby was crying
to try to keep them quiet.
805
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,237
He also would maintain
financial control.
806
00:35:16,237 --> 00:35:20,237
Um, and then,
his adult daughter from
a previous relationship
807
00:35:20,237 --> 00:35:23,491
testified, she said,
to protect her half siblings
808
00:35:23,491 --> 00:35:26,474
and she testified about
the abuse that she endured
809
00:35:26,474 --> 00:35:28,084
during her teenage years
810
00:35:28,084 --> 00:35:29,491
when she was living
under the same roof with him
811
00:35:29,491 --> 00:35:31,474
and in fact said that
she has not spoken to him
812
00:35:31,474 --> 00:35:33,135
since she's been an adult.
813
00:35:33,135 --> 00:35:35,118
Because of those allegations,
814
00:35:35,118 --> 00:35:39,135
the judge's ruling
was very strongly
against this man.
815
00:35:39,135 --> 00:35:40,389
It was granting the divorce,
816
00:35:40,389 --> 00:35:43,186
the mother got sole custody
of the four children,
817
00:35:43,186 --> 00:35:47,050
the father got no visitation
and he had to pay
child support
818
00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:48,389
$1100 a month.
819
00:35:48,389 --> 00:35:50,474
He was a no-show at court
820
00:35:50,474 --> 00:35:53,440
and that certainly did not
help anything.
821
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,033
But, where does that leave
uh, us prosecutors
822
00:35:57,033 --> 00:35:59,372
and judges and officers
of the court?
823
00:35:59,372 --> 00:36:02,186
Both defense attorneys
and prosecutors.
824
00:36:02,186 --> 00:36:04,000
-Yeah, as far as their safety?
-Yeah.
825
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,288
Yeah, I mean, listen,
it goes even beyond that.
826
00:36:05,288 --> 00:36:08,118
As an investigator,
I can speak to an incident
that I had
827
00:36:08,118 --> 00:36:10,033
where I was doing
an undercover operation
828
00:36:10,033 --> 00:36:12,237
and I came into
the police station
and my chief tells me,
829
00:36:12,237 --> 00:36:15,016
"Hey, we just got word
there's been a hit
put out on you."
830
00:36:15,016 --> 00:36:17,033
Had to move my family
out of my home,
831
00:36:17,033 --> 00:36:18,237
had to rely on state police
832
00:36:18,237 --> 00:36:20,169
actually sitting
in my driveway for weeks.
833
00:36:20,169 --> 00:36:22,135
It's a really
unnerving feeling
to do this job
834
00:36:22,135 --> 00:36:24,084
because when you leave
that courthouse
835
00:36:24,084 --> 00:36:25,474
or when you leave
that police station,
836
00:36:25,474 --> 00:36:28,084
-it doesn't stop,
you're still in that role...
-No.
837
00:36:28,084 --> 00:36:30,050
...and there are people
out there that can get
access to you.
838
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:31,338
Believe it or not, same.
839
00:36:31,338 --> 00:36:33,067
I had to move
out of my house,
840
00:36:33,067 --> 00:36:34,372
for the duration
of a trial
841
00:36:34,372 --> 00:36:38,067
and stay out
for at least 6 months
after the trial
842
00:36:38,067 --> 00:36:40,338
because it was so contentious.
843
00:36:40,338 --> 00:36:43,271
Life behind bars,
that was what was at stake.
844
00:36:43,271 --> 00:36:46,338
And there were factions
that did not take it
that well.
845
00:36:46,338 --> 00:36:50,338
This judge, gunned down
in his driveway
846
00:36:50,338 --> 00:36:52,389
after making a ruling.
847
00:36:52,389 --> 00:36:54,135
[Mara] Yeah, and in fact,
we've seen
848
00:36:54,135 --> 00:36:55,491
you know, unfortunately,
an increase
849
00:36:55,491 --> 00:36:59,186
in these kinds of threats
against judges and you know,
officers of the court
850
00:36:59,186 --> 00:36:59,915
and w-- what have you,
851
00:36:59,915 --> 00:37:04,033
um, to the point where
uh, President Biden
has now signed legislation
852
00:37:04,033 --> 00:37:07,000
to protect Supreme Court
justices even more
853
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,237
because the threats have--
have gotten so increased
in recent years.
854
00:37:10,237 --> 00:37:15,169
And it all to me, starts with
domestic abuse in this case.
855
00:37:15,169 --> 00:37:17,237
I believe that he went
after the judge,
856
00:37:17,237 --> 00:37:19,372
he refocused his anger
off of his wife
857
00:37:19,372 --> 00:37:21,084
and his children,
858
00:37:21,084 --> 00:37:22,389
and focused it on the judge,
859
00:37:22,389 --> 00:37:24,389
like it was the judge's fault.
860
00:37:24,389 --> 00:37:27,084
And that's a hallmark
of domestic abusers,
861
00:37:27,084 --> 00:37:29,067
they always blame
somebody else.
862
00:37:29,067 --> 00:37:30,271
It's never them.
863
00:37:30,271 --> 00:37:32,067
And he tracks
the judge down,
864
00:37:32,067 --> 00:37:34,338
the judge comes home
from court, gets out
of his car,
865
00:37:34,338 --> 00:37:36,033
it's over, just like that.
866
00:37:36,033 --> 00:37:38,016
It was like he was hunting
an animal.
867
00:37:38,016 --> 00:37:39,220
[Mara] Well, in this case,
as you mentioned,
868
00:37:39,220 --> 00:37:41,440
uh, accusing other people
of being the ones doing wrong,
869
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,389
he tried to blame his wife
for everything
870
00:37:43,389 --> 00:37:44,389
during these
whole proceedings.
871
00:37:44,389 --> 00:37:46,135
He said she was a--
terrible mother,
872
00:37:46,135 --> 00:37:48,016
she wasn't doing a great job
homeschooling.
873
00:37:48,016 --> 00:37:50,067
Then, it appears he shifted
his focus to the judge,
874
00:37:50,067 --> 00:37:51,288
anybody's fault but his.
875
00:37:51,288 --> 00:37:53,288
[Derrick] Yeah, and I know--
I know Pedro's been
found deceased,
876
00:37:53,288 --> 00:37:56,084
obviously, so he's no longer
a threat to anyone.
877
00:37:56,084 --> 00:37:58,491
But, and this is obviously
a horrible situation
and my f--
878
00:37:58,491 --> 00:38:01,169
my thoughts go out
to Andrew Wilkinson's family.
879
00:38:01,169 --> 00:38:03,305
But I will say this,
it could've been a lot worse.
880
00:38:04,016 --> 00:38:05,118
A guy like Pedro,
881
00:38:05,118 --> 00:38:06,389
he could've easily gone
to the home,
882
00:38:06,389 --> 00:38:08,135
killed his wife
and the children.
883
00:38:08,135 --> 00:38:09,440
- It could've--
it could've--
-[Nancy] And the judge.
884
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,440
And the judge
and his family as well.
885
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,016
So, it's a terrible situation
all the way around.
886
00:38:14,016 --> 00:38:14,491
There's-- nobody wins.
887
00:38:14,491 --> 00:38:17,186
Did you know this guy,
Mara,
888
00:38:17,186 --> 00:38:20,271
would actually take
his wife's car keys
889
00:38:20,271 --> 00:38:22,372
whenever he left home?
890
00:38:22,372 --> 00:38:26,084
So, she couldn't go anywhere
without his permission.
891
00:38:26,084 --> 00:38:27,491
[Derrick] We didn't mention
the cameras.
892
00:38:27,491 --> 00:38:29,389
He had cameras inside,
outside the home.
893
00:38:29,389 --> 00:38:30,491
-[Nancy] Oh, please tell us.
-Yeah.
894
00:38:30,491 --> 00:38:32,016
And the wife said this
that she would--
895
00:38:32,016 --> 00:38:33,389
he would follow her,
track her through the cameras
896
00:38:33,389 --> 00:38:36,288
and this,
this was corroborated
by his-- his other daughter
897
00:38:36,288 --> 00:38:38,033
who came and said,
"Yeah, same thing with me.
898
00:38:38,033 --> 00:38:40,050
I didn't even feel like
I could be myself
in my own home
899
00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:41,389
because he was watching
the cameras all the time."
900
00:38:41,389 --> 00:38:43,067
-This is a sick individual
for sure.
-We can--
901
00:38:43,067 --> 00:38:44,338
We can take a look
at some of what they said,
I mean,
902
00:38:44,338 --> 00:38:47,372
the wife said, "I-I don't
get out of the house
without his knowledge.
903
00:38:47,372 --> 00:38:50,220
I know he has a weapon
on him at all times."
904
00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:53,084
Um, and the daughter
the adult daughter
from the previous relationship
905
00:38:53,084 --> 00:38:57,067
said he would beat her
with "whatever he had
close by,
906
00:38:57,067 --> 00:38:58,288
belts and objects."
907
00:38:58,288 --> 00:39:00,474
And that, uh,
he had her under surveillance
908
00:39:00,474 --> 00:39:02,118
with-with the cameras
909
00:39:02,118 --> 00:39:05,135
and that the reason, again,
she was speaking out
in court
910
00:39:05,135 --> 00:39:07,288
was, "So that my siblings
wouldn't have to go through
911
00:39:07,288 --> 00:39:10,186
the mental torment
that I have."
912
00:39:10,186 --> 00:39:14,169
You know, I'm just thinking
about what the children
lived through,
913
00:39:14,169 --> 00:39:16,338
not just being abused
themselves
914
00:39:16,338 --> 00:39:19,237
but seeing their mother
being abused.
915
00:39:19,237 --> 00:39:21,067
And also,
916
00:39:21,067 --> 00:39:22,186
uh, many people have said,
917
00:39:22,186 --> 00:39:24,000
"Well, the judge should've
had protection."
918
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,050
The judge this,
the judge that.
919
00:39:26,050 --> 00:39:28,050
He was just doing
his job.
920
00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:30,084
I'm sure he had
no idea
921
00:39:30,084 --> 00:39:32,423
he had a big target
drawn on his back
922
00:39:32,423 --> 00:39:34,237
and this guy, Argote,
923
00:39:34,237 --> 00:39:36,135
was literally stalking him
924
00:39:36,135 --> 00:39:38,067
like he would an animal.
925
00:39:38,067 --> 00:39:39,186
[Derrick] Yeah,
and it's logistics too, right?
926
00:39:39,186 --> 00:39:41,186
We would love to have
every judge
927
00:39:41,186 --> 00:39:43,016
have personal protection
at their homes.
928
00:39:43,016 --> 00:39:44,084
But, he's a
circuit court judge.
929
00:39:44,084 --> 00:39:46,186
You have federal judges,
you have municipal judges.
930
00:39:46,186 --> 00:39:48,491
There's not enough individuals
to perform these duties.
931
00:39:48,491 --> 00:39:50,423
You have to pick and choose
your battles.
932
00:39:50,423 --> 00:39:52,237
You have to look
at the threats that are--
933
00:39:52,237 --> 00:39:54,016
that are against
these individuals
934
00:39:54,016 --> 00:39:55,440
and-and provide the resources
they need.
935
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,186
There was really no warning
for this,
936
00:39:57,186 --> 00:39:58,237
-from-from what we know.
-[Nancy] No warning.
937
00:39:58,237 --> 00:39:59,389
[Derrick] So, this just came
out of nowhere.
938
00:39:59,389 --> 00:40:01,050
So, again,
in hindsight,
939
00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:02,474
how do you--
what could we have
done different
940
00:40:02,474 --> 00:40:05,050
as invest--
as law enforcement officials
941
00:40:05,050 --> 00:40:06,237
to protect this judge?
942
00:40:06,237 --> 00:40:08,338
I don't know if there's
anything we could've done,
I really don't.
943
00:40:08,338 --> 00:40:10,169
You know, it's not like
we're in Colombia,
944
00:40:10,169 --> 00:40:12,423
where judges get gunned down
all the time.
945
00:40:12,423 --> 00:40:15,118
Anybody even--
no one even wants
to be a judge there
946
00:40:15,118 --> 00:40:16,491
'cause it's a death sentence.
947
00:40:16,491 --> 00:40:19,389
But here, an attack
on a judge,
948
00:40:19,389 --> 00:40:23,135
or a defense attorney
or a prosecutor,
949
00:40:23,135 --> 00:40:25,135
is an attack
on our system.
950
00:40:25,135 --> 00:40:28,084
It's not just the individual,
it's attacking the system,
951
00:40:28,084 --> 00:40:30,084
and the domestic court
system, Mara.
952
00:40:30,084 --> 00:40:31,338
Yeah, and family court
I feel like
953
00:40:31,338 --> 00:40:33,220
is-is one of the
toughest spaces
954
00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:35,050
-to work in because...
-[Nancy] Oh, it's terrible.
955
00:40:35,050 --> 00:40:36,169
...it's more, you know,
when you're talking
956
00:40:36,169 --> 00:40:37,169
-about civil court,
money's on the line.
-[Derrick] Hmm.
957
00:40:37,169 --> 00:40:38,220
Money's important,
of course.
958
00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:39,338
When you're talking
about family court,
959
00:40:39,338 --> 00:40:41,186
you're talking about families
being together,
960
00:40:41,186 --> 00:40:44,000
husbands and wives
and children and custody,
961
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,372
visitation, child support,
962
00:40:45,372 --> 00:40:48,186
these are extremely difficult
issues to solve.
963
00:40:48,186 --> 00:40:49,338
[Nancy] You know, I've got
a really good friend,
964
00:40:49,338 --> 00:40:51,423
a female defense attorney
in Atlanta.
965
00:40:51,423 --> 00:40:53,491
She handles
all criminal cases
966
00:40:53,491 --> 00:40:55,118
and a few divorces.
967
00:40:55,118 --> 00:40:58,135
She says she's never been
as afraid in her life
968
00:40:58,135 --> 00:41:01,118
as when she's in
a contentious divorce case.
969
00:41:01,118 --> 00:41:03,186
And this is why.
970
00:41:03,186 --> 00:41:04,389
You know, every week,
971
00:41:04,389 --> 00:41:07,084
we bring you the breaking
crime and justice news
972
00:41:07,084 --> 00:41:09,000
from across
our great country.
973
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,050
The biggest bombshells
974
00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:12,440
on some of the biggest
crime stories and headlines,
975
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,423
and some,
you may never have heard of.
976
00:41:15,423 --> 00:41:17,237
from Mara and Derrick.
977
00:41:17,237 --> 00:41:19,338
We'll see you next week.
Good night, friend.
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