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[narrator] This week on
Crimefeed...
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Kouri Richins, her husband
died drinking a Moscow Mule.
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She wrote a book about grief.
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Now she's suspected of murder,
and her behavior
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gets more bizarre.
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And the disturbing case of
Sergio Brown,
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the former NFL player
found partying in Mexico
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while his mom's body was found
in the woods near their house.
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This isCrimefeed
with Nancy Grace,
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investigative journalist
Mara S. Campo,
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and private investigator
Derrick Levasseur.
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Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace.
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This is Crimefeed,
and I want to thank you
for being with us.
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The picture-perfect family,
a successful, glamorous mom
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and a dad who built
his own business empire,
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three beautiful little boys,
and a McMansion to boot.
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But now the dad is dead,
dead of an over-the-top
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fentanyl overdose and mommy
accused of murder.
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Mara, what?
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Yeah, Nancy, a year after
the death of a loving husband
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and father of three children,
authorities in Utah uncover
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what they believe is actually
a twisted murder plot
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full of lies and deception,
and the motive could be money.
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Here's the story.
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[Nancy] On March 4th, 2022,
darkness descended on
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the radiant town of Kamas,
Utah, when 39-year-old
family man
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and wealthy business
owner Eric Richins
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was found dead at
the foot of his bed.
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Eric's wife, 33-year-old
real estate agent
Kouri Richins,
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told authorities
she made Eric a Moscow Mule,
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vodka, and ginger beer
before falling asleep
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in one of
her children's rooms.
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When she woke up
and went to her bedroom,
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her husband was cold
to the touch.
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Eric's sudden death became
even more shocking
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when his autopsy revealed
something suspicious.
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The medical examiner
determined he died of
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an overdose after finding
five times the lethal dosage
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of fentanyl in his system.
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For Eric's friends and family,
it didn't make any sense.
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As far as they knew,
he never used drugs.
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Kouri said she was shattered.
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She was left to pick up
the pieces for her three
young boys.
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That included writing
a children's book about coping
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with grief on the one-year
anniversary of Eric's death.
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She even promoted
the book on a TV show
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calledGood Things Utah.
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I just wanted some story
to read to my kids
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at night, and I just could
not find anything.
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I couldn't find anything
that really, you know,
suited them
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or helped them find comfort
and peace.
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And so I was like,
let's just write one.
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The book was even dedicated
to, quote, "My amazing husband
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and a wonderful father."
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But while Kouri was becoming
a national celebrity,
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she was also gaining
the attention of authorities.
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They suspected Kouri
may not have been the poor,
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grieving widow
she wanted to portray.
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Summit County Sheriff's
investigators found evidence
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that pointed to Kouri.
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They discovered that Kouri
purchased fentanyl
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from an acquaintance just days
before Eric's death.
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Detectives now believe
that Kouri Richins
poisoned her husband
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by spiking his Moscow Mule
with the drug
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on the night he died.
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But why?
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After looking into
her background,
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police discovered Kouri's
real estate business
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was in trouble, nearly
$2 million in debt.
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And before Eric's death,
they found that she took
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hundreds of thousands
of dollars from
his bank accounts,
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plus nearly $2 million
in life insurance policies
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on her husband,
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without his knowledge.
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And all the pieces came
together when detectives
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learned about Kouri's
prenuptial agreement,
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barring her from claiming
Eric's multi-million
dollar business,
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except in the event of
his death.
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She was arrested
on May 8th, 2023
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for the murder
of her husband.
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Now Eric's loved ones
are waiting with
bated breath to see
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if a judge throws the book at
the infamous author.
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Kouri's next court
appearance is scheduled
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for November 3rd, 2023.
Nancy.
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Wow. Okay.
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That was an earful more
than I wanted to hear.
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You know, you mentioned, Mara,
could the motive be money?
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Well, yeah.
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$2 million worth
of life insurance policies.
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Four life insurance policies
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that she, Kouri Richins,
took out on her husband.
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-Yeah.
-Now, let me tell you
something.
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If my husband,
David Lynch runs off behind
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my back and gets $2 million
worth of life insurance on me,
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I'm calling a PI.
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Yeah, no, there's a lot there
to really dive into.
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We have obviously
the incidents
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leading up to the whole,
the murder itself,
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thinking back to both the trip
in Greece, where that was
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the first attempt
to kill Eric,
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where Eric actually calls
his sister and says,
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I think Kouri just tried
to kill me.
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Then you fast forward
to Valentine's day
where you have
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Kouri reaching out for some,
some narcotics
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before the incident.
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He, Eric, takes a bite
of his sandwich.
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[Nancy] Did you just say
reaching out for narcotics?
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-[Derrick] Yeah.
-You mean trying
to score a buy?
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Trying to get a hit?
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-Yeah.
-Okay.
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Reaching out for narcotics
kind of sounds like
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you're going to the doctor
to get your heart
medication refilled.
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Well, she was, hydrocodone
was the first thing
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she went out for.
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That didn't work,
so then she upgraded
to fentanyl, right?
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And then you have Eric
who takes a bite of
a sandwich,
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just one bite.
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And he has this reaction
where he has hives,
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and then he can't breathe.
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And fortunately,
he was able to get
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to his son's EpiPen,
which saved him.
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But then again, he calls
his business partner
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and says, listen, I think
Kouri just tried to kill me.
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-Those exact words, Derrick.
You're right.
-Yeah, I don't--
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Hey, and he was kind
of laughing about it.
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He said, "Hey, [chuckles]
I think she's trying
to kill me, man,
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for the money."
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-Yeah.
-But truer words were
never spoken, Mara.
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so much so that he then
changed his will
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so that everything
was put in trust.
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So the prenuptial agreement
that they had said that
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she would get some of his
assets if he died before her.
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And that's what
she believed all
the way up until his death.
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But what he had done is,
in late 2020,
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because he didn't trust her,
he created a trust,
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he moved all of his assets
to the trust,
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and he made his sister,
the personal representative,
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in control of that trust.
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Kouri did not learn that,
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allegedly, until after
Eric's death.
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She was trying
to drill into a safe
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because he had about $165,000
in cash in the safe,
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and she was told,
you can't do that.
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And her sister-in-law said,
because I'm in control of
the estate.
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And then, reportedly,
Kouri punched
her sister-in-law
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when she learned that news.
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That's right, guys.
And to top it all off,
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Kouri Richins,
the so-called Moscow Mule Mom,
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because, you know,
Moscow Mules are made
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with ginger beer,
which is very tangy to hide
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the taste of fentanyl.
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She then goes on to write
a grief book for her children.
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She's got three little boys
to help them deal with
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losing their father that cops
say she killed.
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I want you to take
a listen to Kouri Richins
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talking about
her "Grief book."
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So my husband passed away
unexpectedly last year.
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So it's March 4th
was a one-year anniversary
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for us and he was 39.
It completely...
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took us all by shock.
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We have three little boys,
10, nine, and six and, um...
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You know, we kind of...
My kids and I kind of wrote
this book
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on the different emotions
and [sighs] grieving processes
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that we've experienced
last year and, you know,
hoping that
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it can kind of help
other kids,
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you know, deal with this
and kind of, you know,
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find happiness some way
or another.
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Some way or another.
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Well, she says she wrote
the book with her
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three little children,
but her Google
searches reveal,
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"How do I hire somebody to
write a book for me?"
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Ouch.
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Yeah, well, there's other
Google searches that I find
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incredibly compelling
in this case.
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So on the evening of
Eric's death, she told police
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that she didn't touch
her phone.
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-Right.
-But they later found
that there was activity
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on her phone, including
internet searches.
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And here is some of what
she allegedly searched
that night.
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"Can cops force you to take
a lie detector test?
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Will life insurance
pay if the death certificate
says pending?
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If someone is poisoned,
what does it go down
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on the death certificate as?"
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And, my favorite,
what is considered
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a lethal dose of fentanyl?
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One more thing about
the phone, because
that's incriminating,
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obviously.
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But also, think about what
she said that night.
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She gives him the Moscow Mule.
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She says she goes to bed
with her son,
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who is having nightmares.
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And she says she leaves
her phone on the charge
the entire time.
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However, the phone tells
a different story.
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You have multiple times
where the phone was locked
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and unlocked while
she allegedly was sleeping.
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And then you also have
her doing actual messages
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between someone
who were later deleted.
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And then finally,
they have movement
with the phone itself.
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So clearly, what she was
saying did not happen.
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I think cops are really going
to weigh in on that.
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She's getting caught in
a lot of lies.
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Eric Richen's family
has lived through H-E-L-L.
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Did they believe Eric
was murdered?
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When we come back.
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[music playing]
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A mom of three,
Kouri Richins, accused of
spiking her husband's
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Moscow Mule cocktail
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with a deadly fentanyl
overdose.
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And then she goes on
to write a children's book
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about grief for their
three little boys.
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And now in a new twist,
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jailers say she writes
a script for her family,
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directing them to lie about
the murder.
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So how does Eric Richins'
family feel about that?
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With us right now.
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High-profile lawyer
Greg Skordas,
the family spokesperson.
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Greg, it's so great
to see you again.
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It's nice to be
with you again.
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You're representing
Eric Richins' family.
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And what's amazing to me,
Greg, is this, I believe,
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is not the first time
she's tried to poison him.
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And that family,
the Richins' family,
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must have smelled trouble
way back when,
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when they talked Eric
into signing a prenup,
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getting her to sign a prenup.
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What's the latest
with this script that jailers
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find in her cell telling them
to say Eric was a drug addict
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and he would go to Mexico
and get drugs?
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She's the one scoring
the drugs from a housekeeper.
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The housekeeper's
already admitted.
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Yeah, it's the walk the dog
letter, and the jailers found
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that during a routine search
of her cell.
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They found a letter folded up
in a book
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that basically is a letter
to her mother
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purporting to give
her brother information
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about what to say,
and she sort of even says,
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you know, you need
to spoon-feed it to the kid
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because maybe
he's not the brightest,
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-but...
-Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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-Yes.
-What?
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The "script" says you need
to spoon feed him this?
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Yeah, she says sort of
make it short make it easy
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-Don't, don't use a lot of
big words. Right.
-Dummy down.
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And so, and that, that Eric
was a drug user.
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That he traveled to Mexico
periodically to get
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his fentanyl, all of which is
completely untrue,
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not corroborated by anything.
But, she says,
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you need to give this
to my brother.
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You need to tell him
when he goes to court that
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what he needs to say is
A, B, C, and D
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which would establish if true
that Eric was in fact,
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a drug user when in fact,
it's just not.
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I mean, this...
the county's actually
looking at it
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-as witness tampering.
-Oh, yeah.
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[Nancy] You're darn right.
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So she doesn't want to just
kill him according to police.
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She wants to drag
his reputation through the mud
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I mean, what's worse
than that?
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According to police,
she kills him,
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murders him for money,
pecuniary interest
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and then tries to paint him
as a dope addict.
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Well, part and part of what
she writes in that letter
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is coaching on what
they should say
during interviews
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and she says during
an interview
with Good Morning America,
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make sure you tell them
that he bragged about being
a drug user.
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And is that the kind of thing,
if your beloved husband
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had died of
an accidental overdose,
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you would want people
to think?
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Can you give us some
insight on what kind of
person Kouri is
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as a person, as someone
who has a personal knowledge
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of her?
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I guess from just having
practiced law for 41 years,
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I would call her a sociopath.
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I mean, a person really devoid
of a conscience,
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devoid of a-- I mean,
there's nothing there.
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When you look at her,
when you see her in court,
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when you watch her body
language, there is nothing.
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And just like you talked
about, the writing of a book.
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That is trying to make
it seem as though
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your husband was
a sympathetic person,
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that he's up in heaven
sort of coming
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and reaching out
toward the children.
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It's just such hypocrisy,
given everything
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we now know about
the homicide.
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But it just,
it never surprises me.
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I mean, I've practiced
law long enough
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to see that every case
has its own nuances,
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and this one just,
and it continues to take turn
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after turn after turn.
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Can you tell us
about the party?
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I love that part.
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-Yeah.
-That would be state's
exhibit number one.
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Please tell us, Greg.
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Yeah, so right after,
I mean, she was ready to close
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on a house about
the time Eric died.
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That he disagreed
with flipping that house.
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That he didn't want her
to buy the $2 million
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so-called mansion in
neighboring Wasatch County.
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So she still celebrated,
notwithstanding her husband
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has just died, the purchase of
the part of the house,
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and the house that
she was going to flip.
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Of course, she was well
upside down with
hard money lenders
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and with others in that house.
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She was never going to make
the money that
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she was bragging that
she was going to make.
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And in fact, it got to
the point where she got in
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a fight with one of
Eric's sisters
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and was charged criminally
with assault
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because she allegedly
punched the sister.
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-Which sister was that, Greg?
-It was Katie.
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As a matter of fact,
let's take a listen
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to the dad, Eric, sister Amy.
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Dear Judge Mrazik,
I'm here today to represent
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my brother,
Eric Eugene Richins,
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His life was taken
in a senseless act
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of poisoning on
March 3rd, 2022.
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His wife, the defendant,
has been accused of
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committing this crime.
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If she is found guilty,
she has committed
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the ultimate act of betrayal.
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Eric is gone
and I am brokenhearted.
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He was my best friend
and protector.
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The feeling of loss is
so great, it is visceral.
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And with the sorrow comes
wave of panic
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and not being able
to see him again.
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I can never talk to him,
never hug him again,
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and never more be
a part of his life.
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With me, high-profile lawyer
Greg Skordas,
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who is representing Eric's
family, the Richen family.
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I think the whole thing
is bass-ackwards,
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and maybe I'm projecting,
Greg.
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But after my fiance
was murdered shortly
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before our wedding,
the last thing I had
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on my mind is throwing
a boozed-up party
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over flipping a house
and making money.
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Money?
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What's money when the one
you love the most is gone?
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Or hiring a locksmith
to come and drill his safe
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while people are still
there mourning.
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I mean, that's really
what precipitated
the conflict,
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is she's got some guy
out there drilling a hole
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in his safe because,
as you mentioned
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earlier, there was a lot of
cash in there.
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I mean, she was not holding
back at all, trying to access
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as many of his assets as
possible as soon as he died.
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[Derrick] Greg,
I think a lot of people,
when they hear this story,
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are going to ask why.
Why did Eric stay?
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I mean, as a detective,
we're looking for means,
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motive, opportunity,
and very rarely do you have
a victim who's aware,
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before their death,
of the means
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and the motive behind it.
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I know there are kids
involved,
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but do you have any insight
as to why Eric chose to stay
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under the same roof
with Kouri?
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You just said the reason,
Derrick. Three reasons.
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-Yes.
-Those three boys.
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And he was a father
above everything else.
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And he would have
done anything he could
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to keep that family together.
And it's part of
the culture there.
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It's part of the way
people live in that
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particular community.
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But he wanted to stay
with those children
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and raise those in a family.
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Now, he was certainly
looking in terms of
protecting his assets
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and maybe even had consulted
a divorce lawyer.
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But he was not going
to do anything that would
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jeopardize the health
or safety of those boys.
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[Nancy] You know, we've got
more of Amy.
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Let's take a listen one more
time to Eric's sister.
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His own family seem to be
the only ones standing up
for him.
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He has no voice
of his own now.
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He's been murdered.
Listen.
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Not only did she betray
our brother,
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it feels as though
she has murdered
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and taken away a part of
our souls as well.
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Because of our actions,
there has not been a day
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that has gone by
we have not lived
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with paralyzing anxiety
and fear,
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worrying for the boys' lives
as well as our own.
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I may be naive, but I never
knew evil like this existed.
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The twists and turns
in the case,
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her writing the book,
her going on TV,
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drilling into his safe while
literally the mourners are
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in the home mourning,
throwing the party.
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It's almost laughable.
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But I think you get lost in
the fact that Eric is gone.
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These boys are going
to be raised without a father
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and possibly without a mother.
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Right, and you know,
at the time, and even today,
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when a person dies of
a fentanyl overdose,
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it just seems that
law enforcement
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sometimes takes it
for granted.
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And I think that was
her miscalculation.
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They assumed, oh, another one
is dying of a drug overdose.
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They're not going to do
an investigation.
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And so she was quick
to do all the things
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you're just talking about,
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not realizing that
law enforcement,
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and especially
the Richins family,
was not going to give up
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on this case and were going to
make sure that
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somebody found out exactly
what happened here.
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00:17:21,172 --> 00:17:22,448
They're not the only ones.
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We're not giving up
on it either,
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00:17:24,275 --> 00:17:26,034
and neither are you,
Greg Skordas.
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Greg Skordas, you're awesome.
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Thank you for being with us.
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Guys, when we come back,
Sergio Brown,
a former NFL star,
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faked parties in Mexico
while his mother's body
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is found outdoors
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00:17:38,931 --> 00:17:42,068
wrapped in a sheet
near the family home.
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Stay with us.
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[music playing]
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Welcome back
to Crimefeed,and now
to NFL star Sergio Brown
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in Mexico, living it up while
his mom is found dead.
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Her neck snapped?
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Mara, what happened
to Miss Myrtle?
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00:18:02,137 --> 00:18:04,827
Well, Nancy, we're talking,
of course, about Sergio Brown,
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the 35-year-old former
NFL safety who had played
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for major teams like
the New England Patriots,
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the Indianapolis Colts,
and the Buffalo Bills.
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His disappearance, along
with his mother last month,
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prompted a major search
for the pair.
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Let's take a look
at what authorities have found
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in this case so far.
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Sergio Brown
and his 73-year-old mother
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Myrtle Simmons Brown
were seen on the night of
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September 14th by a neighbor
near the house
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they shared together
in Maywood, Illinois.
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It was the last time Myrtle
would be seen alive.
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She and Sergio
were reported missing
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two days later on the 16th.
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But later that same day,
Maywood police recovered
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the body of
Myrtle Simmons Brown
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from a creek near their home.
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00:18:48,931 --> 00:18:52,275
A medical examiner determining
her death was caused by
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multiple injuries
from an assault.
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Sergio, however,
was still missing
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until two days later
when he posted a bizarre video
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of himself in Mexico
addressing his mother's
disappearance,
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saying he believed
she was simply on vacation
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and claiming the FBI had tried
to kidnap him.
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[speaking]
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[bleep]
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Then, two weeks later,
despite the recent discovery
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of his mother's body, Brown
was spotted partying
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in Tulum, seemingly
without a care.
447
00:19:41,413 --> 00:19:43,931
Finally, all of his partying
came to an end
448
00:19:43,965 --> 00:19:46,482
earlier this month when
Illinois investigators
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issued an arrest warrant
for Brown for
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the first-degree murder of
his mother.
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Mexican officials intercepted
Brown on a flight
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he was trying to take
to Colombia.
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00:19:57,827 --> 00:19:59,034
This is a kidnapping.
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They're in uniforms.
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00:20:01,965 --> 00:20:03,551
I was going to Colombia.
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00:20:03,586 --> 00:20:05,379
I'm from Chicago.
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00:20:05,413 --> 00:20:07,172
I should not be going
to Tijuana.
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Relax, relax.
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00:20:14,413 --> 00:20:15,586
Let me go.
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00:20:16,896 --> 00:20:18,689
This is kidnapping.
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Witnesses say it took
an hour and a half
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to escort him off the flight.
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Brown is now being held in
custody back
in Maywood, Illinois,
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after his extradition back
to that state.
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Nancy?
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Amazing that a professional
NFLer takes on an air marshal.
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That's what you don't want
to do, is take on
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an air marshal that's trying
to arrest you on a plane.
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00:20:41,310 --> 00:20:45,793
You know, speaking of
the body of Miss Myrtle,
who's 73 years old,
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the one person,
the one person in the world
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that has stood by Sergio Brown
since he was born.
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She lets him live with her.
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She is found completely nude,
wrapped in a sheet,
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not too far from
the family home with--
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You saw the picture
of her, Derrick.
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00:21:04,862 --> 00:21:08,310
This frail little lady,
her neck was snapped.
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00:21:08,344 --> 00:21:11,241
Yeah. This doesn't seem like
it was a premeditated murder,
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but more of a heated argument
that escalated.
479
00:21:13,517 --> 00:21:15,758
Clearly, there's things
going on with Sergio.
480
00:21:15,793 --> 00:21:17,137
It might be related to CTE.
481
00:21:17,172 --> 00:21:18,655
We're going to get into that
a little bit later.
482
00:21:18,689 --> 00:21:21,000
-But forensically,
it doesn't look good.
-Right, right.
483
00:21:22,103 --> 00:21:25,241
-You mean the concussion
impairment, CTE?
-Right.
484
00:21:25,275 --> 00:21:28,241
So you think that could
possibly be a defense
485
00:21:28,275 --> 00:21:30,000
to killing your own mother?
486
00:21:30,034 --> 00:21:32,793
-Sounds more like a robbery
gone wrong to me.
-Yeah--
487
00:21:32,827 --> 00:21:35,241
He has her credit cards,
her iPad.
488
00:21:35,275 --> 00:21:38,310
I think she got tired of him
mooching off her
489
00:21:38,344 --> 00:21:40,655
and they had an argument about
money and he killed her.
490
00:21:40,689 --> 00:21:42,103
Yeah, I don't think
it's a defense,
491
00:21:42,137 --> 00:21:43,586
but I think it's something
we have to acknowledge
492
00:21:43,620 --> 00:21:45,000
that may have played
a factor in this.
493
00:21:45,034 --> 00:21:46,862
Sergio Brown was
not a superstar.
494
00:21:46,896 --> 00:21:48,724
He wasn't like
an Aaron Hernandez.
495
00:21:48,758 --> 00:21:50,517
He didn't have a troubled
past, because if he did,
496
00:21:50,551 --> 00:21:51,482
we would have known about it.
497
00:21:51,517 --> 00:21:53,172
He wouldn't have been playing
in the NFL.
498
00:21:53,206 --> 00:21:54,758
The fact that he had--
and I was looking at
499
00:21:54,793 --> 00:21:56,172
a lot of his old
Instagram videos.
500
00:21:56,206 --> 00:21:57,448
He seemed like
a pretty good guy.
501
00:21:57,482 --> 00:21:59,310
There was nothing
really publicly put out there
about him.
502
00:21:59,344 --> 00:22:00,896
He was a New England
Patriots player.
503
00:22:00,931 --> 00:22:02,517
I'm a fan of
the New England Patriots.
504
00:22:02,551 --> 00:22:04,172
Never heard anything
negative about him
505
00:22:04,206 --> 00:22:06,000
in the area where I worked
as a patrolman.
506
00:22:06,034 --> 00:22:07,655
But forensically,
as far as the case itself,
507
00:22:07,689 --> 00:22:08,896
it doesn't look good.
508
00:22:08,931 --> 00:22:10,620
You have DNA
that was taken off
509
00:22:10,655 --> 00:22:12,655
Sergio's toothbrush
that was found potentially
510
00:22:12,689 --> 00:22:14,275
under the fingernails
of Myrtle,
511
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:15,724
which shows defensive wounds.
512
00:22:15,758 --> 00:22:18,413
You also have Sergio's blood
found on the patio.
513
00:22:18,448 --> 00:22:20,620
And then finally,
you have the Ajax cleaner
514
00:22:20,655 --> 00:22:22,448
that was found in the bathtub.
515
00:22:22,482 --> 00:22:24,137
-It's just not good. Yeah.
-In the drain, specifically,
516
00:22:24,172 --> 00:22:26,379
as if trying to get rid of
evidence.
517
00:22:26,413 --> 00:22:29,620
You know, it's funny, odd that
you mentioned all of
518
00:22:29,655 --> 00:22:34,137
his prior posts as seemingly
being like a "Normal guy,"
519
00:22:34,172 --> 00:22:37,689
which would directly
contradict any claim
520
00:22:37,724 --> 00:22:40,586
of a concussion-related
ailment that led him
521
00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:43,275
to do this and then go
fake party in Mexico.
522
00:22:43,310 --> 00:22:47,344
And by the way, he also said,
"Fake news, I'm being framed,
523
00:22:47,379 --> 00:22:50,931
the FBI did it,
the local police did it."
524
00:22:50,965 --> 00:22:52,793
And lied about his mother's
whereabouts.
525
00:22:52,827 --> 00:22:55,482
[Mara] But Nancy, I actually,
I have to side with
Derrick on this one.
526
00:22:55,517 --> 00:22:58,551
Because when you look at
these videos,
something ain't right.
527
00:22:58,586 --> 00:23:00,275
Yeah, he's drunk.
528
00:23:00,310 --> 00:23:03,241
It looks more than drunk
or high.
529
00:23:03,275 --> 00:23:05,793
This person, and I am
no therapist, I'm not trained
530
00:23:05,827 --> 00:23:08,931
in psychology, but this person
seems maniacal.
531
00:23:08,965 --> 00:23:11,413
Even in the videos
of him so-called partying
532
00:23:11,448 --> 00:23:13,655
without a care,
you can see that he's so off
533
00:23:13,689 --> 00:23:15,275
that someone else
is moving his limbs
534
00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:16,965
as though he's a puppet.
535
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,793
All of the behavior that
we have seen is erratic.
536
00:23:19,827 --> 00:23:22,103
It seems like we have
someone who is in the midst of
537
00:23:22,137 --> 00:23:24,034
a mental health crisis.
538
00:23:24,068 --> 00:23:27,103
-That is certainly
what it looks like.
-Can I ask you a question?
539
00:23:27,137 --> 00:23:29,586
So, if he's in the middle of
a mental health crisis,
540
00:23:29,620 --> 00:23:34,068
how did he get a ticket,
drive himself to the airport
541
00:23:34,103 --> 00:23:36,620
or get a ride,
find his location,
542
00:23:36,655 --> 00:23:40,931
the right gate, get on
the plane, travel to Mexico,
543
00:23:40,965 --> 00:23:44,827
order drinks, take pictures
of himself drinking tequila?
544
00:23:44,862 --> 00:23:46,724
Are you saying that
he has a mental defect
545
00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:49,344
that just vanished once
he got to Mexico?
546
00:23:49,379 --> 00:23:51,137
No, but I do think
that those two things
547
00:23:51,172 --> 00:23:52,551
can coexist at the same time.
548
00:23:52,586 --> 00:23:55,172
That someone
can be in the midst of
a mental health crisis,
549
00:23:55,206 --> 00:23:57,413
but also be competent
enough to carry out
550
00:23:57,448 --> 00:24:00,000
day-to-day functions
and know that they need
551
00:24:00,034 --> 00:24:02,655
to flee after they've done
something bad.
552
00:24:02,689 --> 00:24:04,068
I think those things
can coexist.
553
00:24:04,103 --> 00:24:05,827
I think it's very hard
to look at these videos
554
00:24:05,862 --> 00:24:07,758
of this man and not say
that there was something
555
00:24:07,793 --> 00:24:09,448
deeply wrong with him
at the time that
556
00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:11,379
-those videos were released.
-[Derrick] And I think
when the CTE comes in,
557
00:24:11,413 --> 00:24:12,689
it's more of a justification.
558
00:24:12,724 --> 00:24:15,241
Like we see in previous cases,
there's this paranoia, right?
559
00:24:15,275 --> 00:24:17,034
There's some way where
he looks at his mother
560
00:24:17,068 --> 00:24:19,206
and doesn't see her as
his mother anymore.
561
00:24:19,241 --> 00:24:21,000
He sees her as someone
that's trying to hurt him.
562
00:24:21,034 --> 00:24:22,655
And again, I don't know
what was happening.
563
00:24:22,689 --> 00:24:24,034
It could have been
financially related.
564
00:24:24,068 --> 00:24:26,000
I think we'll learn
more based on digital data
565
00:24:26,034 --> 00:24:27,448
from his cell phone records.
566
00:24:27,482 --> 00:24:29,724
But I wonder if there was
a conversation between
567
00:24:29,758 --> 00:24:32,655
Myrtle and Sergio
that escalated about money.
568
00:24:32,689 --> 00:24:34,103
And that's where
the argument ensued,
569
00:24:34,137 --> 00:24:36,413
and a verbal argument became
a physical argument.
570
00:24:36,448 --> 00:24:40,758
You said the words,
"Financially related motive."
571
00:24:40,793 --> 00:24:45,586
This guy has made going
on $10 million over the course
572
00:24:45,620 --> 00:24:49,793
of his career and he's living
with his mother.
573
00:24:49,827 --> 00:24:52,068
So financially related,
you mean...
574
00:24:52,103 --> 00:24:53,517
He wanted her
to give him some more money,
575
00:24:53,551 --> 00:24:54,724
and she didn't want to.
576
00:24:54,758 --> 00:24:56,000
That kind of
financially related?
577
00:24:56,034 --> 00:24:57,827
These guys blow through
that money. They really do.
578
00:24:57,862 --> 00:24:59,310
$10 million, they can blow
through it pretty quickly.
579
00:24:59,344 --> 00:25:01,275
But this to me, Nancy,
is, in my mind,
580
00:25:01,310 --> 00:25:03,827
is further evidence of
something not being right
with this man.
581
00:25:03,862 --> 00:25:06,758
We've seen the behavior
since he left the league.
582
00:25:06,793 --> 00:25:09,034
He's not able, he has not been
able to hold a job.
583
00:25:09,068 --> 00:25:10,344
You can look at his LinkedIn.
584
00:25:10,379 --> 00:25:13,103
He posts, you know,
jobs every couple months
he's moving jobs.
585
00:25:13,137 --> 00:25:14,620
You mentioned all the money
that he made.
586
00:25:14,655 --> 00:25:16,827
Where did it go? Why was
he living with his mother?
587
00:25:16,862 --> 00:25:19,137
Then you see this erratic
behavior on social media that
588
00:25:19,172 --> 00:25:21,586
is so vastly different from
what we've seen in the past.
589
00:25:21,620 --> 00:25:24,379
It definitely seems
like there's another
component here.
590
00:25:24,413 --> 00:25:26,931
[Nancy]
Question. When you say
something is wrong,
591
00:25:26,965 --> 00:25:29,172
I agree with that,
with both of you,
592
00:25:29,206 --> 00:25:30,758
that something is wrong.
593
00:25:30,793 --> 00:25:33,275
But in order to beat
a murder charge,
594
00:25:33,310 --> 00:25:35,482
and of course, he is pleading
not guilty.
595
00:25:35,517 --> 00:25:37,862
He has not been proven
guilty in a court of law.
596
00:25:37,896 --> 00:25:40,103
These are just allegations
right now.
597
00:25:40,137 --> 00:25:43,965
"Something is wrong" will not
carry the day for the defense.
598
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,896
There has to be a proven
mental defect
599
00:25:46,931 --> 00:25:49,379
that rises to the level
of insanity.
600
00:25:49,413 --> 00:25:53,586
Insanity in our jurisdiction
means you don't know right
601
00:25:53,620 --> 00:25:56,379
from wrong at the time of
the incident.
602
00:25:56,413 --> 00:25:59,448
And the fact that
he fled and wrapped her body
603
00:25:59,482 --> 00:26:02,241
in a sheet to conceal it
suggests to me
604
00:26:02,275 --> 00:26:05,517
that he did know murdering
your mother is wrong.
605
00:26:05,551 --> 00:26:07,379
Excuse me, allegedly
murdering your mother.
606
00:26:07,413 --> 00:26:09,896
From a legal standpoint,
you are 100% correct.
607
00:26:09,931 --> 00:26:11,862
There is a lot of evidence
here that I think
608
00:26:11,896 --> 00:26:13,620
is going to make it very hard
for the defense.
609
00:26:13,655 --> 00:26:16,655
But from the perspective
of trying to understand
610
00:26:16,689 --> 00:26:19,103
what happened here,
how could this man with this
611
00:26:19,137 --> 00:26:20,896
long career
and this upstanding life
612
00:26:20,931 --> 00:26:25,103
seemingly suddenly snap
and allegedly harm his mother
613
00:26:25,137 --> 00:26:26,620
in this way, I think
that's what a lot of us
614
00:26:26,655 --> 00:26:27,413
are struggling to understand.
615
00:26:27,896 --> 00:26:29,034
Agree.
616
00:26:29,068 --> 00:26:31,724
I often wonder why, but in
the black and white letter
617
00:26:31,758 --> 00:26:36,517
of the law, I'm just trying
to figure out, did he do it?
618
00:26:36,551 --> 00:26:39,931
Is he responsible for
murdering his mother?
619
00:26:39,965 --> 00:26:43,827
Guys, did Sergio Brown
have anything to do
620
00:26:43,862 --> 00:26:47,103
with his mother's death?
If so, why?
621
00:26:47,137 --> 00:26:50,586
An expert in sports stars
turns felons next.
622
00:27:02,551 --> 00:27:07,137
35-year-old former NFL star
Sergio Brown now charged with
623
00:27:07,172 --> 00:27:12,000
murder one and concealment of
a dead body, his own mother's.
624
00:27:12,034 --> 00:27:14,034
Sergio Brown partying
in Mexico
625
00:27:14,068 --> 00:27:17,344
with her body found near
a creek in Maywood, Illinois,
626
00:27:17,379 --> 00:27:19,689
where the two lived together.
627
00:27:19,724 --> 00:27:21,655
Joining us right now,
Dan Lust,
628
00:27:21,689 --> 00:27:25,827
high-profile sports attorney,
expert at sports stars
in trouble.
629
00:27:25,862 --> 00:27:30,310
Dan, what do we know
about Sergio Brown?
630
00:27:30,344 --> 00:27:32,758
I think it's important
to go back in the history
of Sergio Brown.
631
00:27:32,793 --> 00:27:34,551
Played for four teams
over seven years,
632
00:27:34,586 --> 00:27:37,034
made in the vicinity of
$7 million in his career.
633
00:27:37,068 --> 00:27:39,620
But for all intents
and purposes,
wasn't a pro bowler,
634
00:27:39,655 --> 00:27:41,965
wasn't an all-star, never won
the Super Bowl, right?
635
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,000
This was a guy that was,
we'll say, a career
special teamer.
636
00:27:45,034 --> 00:27:46,724
He started, I think,
about 10% of the games
637
00:27:46,758 --> 00:27:49,551
he played over seven years.
So not a household name.
638
00:27:49,586 --> 00:27:50,758
He did play with Tom Brady.
639
00:27:50,793 --> 00:27:52,862
He did play with Pat McAfee,
played with Andrew Luck.
640
00:27:52,896 --> 00:27:54,413
But not someone
that we'll ever know about
641
00:27:54,448 --> 00:27:56,413
outside of
this particular story.
642
00:27:56,448 --> 00:27:57,758
A guy that played
for Notre Dame
643
00:27:57,793 --> 00:27:59,551
and worked his way up
through seven...
644
00:27:59,586 --> 00:28:01,758
pretty successful careers
as a special teamer,
645
00:28:01,793 --> 00:28:05,000
but again, a relatively
unmemorable career
646
00:28:05,034 --> 00:28:07,034
other than for this
incident, but I think
that's important here.
647
00:28:07,068 --> 00:28:09,862
So he's played for multiple
NFL teams.
648
00:28:09,896 --> 00:28:12,724
He's amassed close
to $8 million
649
00:28:12,758 --> 00:28:14,275
over the span of his career.
650
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:17,620
He's a special teamer,
a safety...
651
00:28:17,655 --> 00:28:19,689
I don't know, that's pretty
impressive to me.
652
00:28:19,724 --> 00:28:23,344
And let me ask you this,
why is it that people
653
00:28:23,379 --> 00:28:25,310
that seemingly
have everything,
654
00:28:25,344 --> 00:28:27,965
specifically in your arena,
sports stars,
655
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,931
they've got fame,
they've got money,
656
00:28:30,965 --> 00:28:34,482
they have access to mansions,
whatever they want,
657
00:28:34,517 --> 00:28:37,000
and they end up behind bars.
658
00:28:37,034 --> 00:28:41,000
You're the specialist
and sports stars turn
felons, why?
659
00:28:41,758 --> 00:28:42,896
Yeah, it's tough.
660
00:28:42,931 --> 00:28:44,931
I mean, those type
of athletes, celebrities,
661
00:28:44,965 --> 00:28:47,172
musicians that grow up
at a young age with that
662
00:28:47,206 --> 00:28:49,000
level of fame maybe
aren't as accustomed
663
00:28:49,034 --> 00:28:51,034
to just daily life as
most people, right?
664
00:28:51,068 --> 00:28:53,517
So from the age of about 19,
he was playing for Notre Dame,
665
00:28:53,551 --> 00:28:55,275
one of the top universities
in the country.
666
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:59,965
From ages 18 to about 29,
he was basically a celebrity.
667
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,241
He got kind of whatever
he wanted.
668
00:29:01,275 --> 00:29:02,413
He did play for the Patriots,
669
00:29:02,448 --> 00:29:04,206
the Colts, the Bills,
the Jags.
670
00:29:04,241 --> 00:29:05,310
It's a fair question.
671
00:29:05,344 --> 00:29:07,034
And I think, you know,
to this question about
672
00:29:07,068 --> 00:29:08,206
$8 million, right?
673
00:29:08,241 --> 00:29:09,448
That's $8 million pre-tax.
674
00:29:09,482 --> 00:29:11,551
That's not $8 million after
the lawyers, after the agents,
675
00:29:11,586 --> 00:29:14,275
[Nancy] You are parsing words.
676
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:19,413
-$8 million versus $5 million,
it still ends in million.
-That's there. I take it.
677
00:29:19,448 --> 00:29:21,965
In this case in particular,
there are some
678
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,931
who are wondering
if his career in the NFL
679
00:29:24,965 --> 00:29:28,551
is perhaps linked to
this crime due to CTE.
680
00:29:28,586 --> 00:29:30,862
Is it possible that if these
allegations are true
681
00:29:30,896 --> 00:29:33,310
that his career in the NFL
had something to do
682
00:29:33,344 --> 00:29:34,896
with this erratic behavior?
683
00:29:34,931 --> 00:29:37,000
I think it's possible.
I mean, he retired.
684
00:29:37,034 --> 00:29:38,586
He signed a three-year
contract with the Jags,
685
00:29:38,620 --> 00:29:40,172
only played one year before
he was released.
686
00:29:40,206 --> 00:29:42,137
He said it was because
of injury, but we never
687
00:29:42,172 --> 00:29:43,896
really know that question.
688
00:29:43,931 --> 00:29:45,586
I think there's been
studies done when hundreds
689
00:29:45,620 --> 00:29:47,000
of brains have been looked at.
690
00:29:47,034 --> 00:29:49,793
Families have donated
their deceased ones' brains
691
00:29:49,827 --> 00:29:52,482
to be analyzed for CTE,
and some studies
692
00:29:52,517 --> 00:29:54,103
have showed about 90 percent
of brains.
693
00:29:54,137 --> 00:29:56,896
For every ten brains,
nine of them have CTE.
694
00:29:56,931 --> 00:29:58,620
So that goes to say, it's not
to say that for every
695
00:29:58,655 --> 00:30:00,758
ten football players,
nine have CTE,
696
00:30:00,793 --> 00:30:04,758
but if you think one has CTE,
and you submit their brain,
697
00:30:04,793 --> 00:30:07,862
there are studies
that show that 90%
of those brains have CTE.
698
00:30:07,896 --> 00:30:10,172
So I think that's a fair
question, that CTE
699
00:30:10,206 --> 00:30:12,103
could be linked to these
kind of troubling events.
700
00:30:12,137 --> 00:30:13,586
[Mara] But they only know
for certain after death.
701
00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:15,379
After death. You cannot know
at the present time.
702
00:30:15,413 --> 00:30:17,620
You know, with,
with this case, we've seen
a lot of comparisons
703
00:30:17,655 --> 00:30:19,793
to Aaron Hernandez, right?
And with Aaron Hernandez,
704
00:30:19,827 --> 00:30:21,862
what we know especially you.
Superstars,
705
00:30:21,896 --> 00:30:23,551
a lot of things get swept
under the rug.
706
00:30:23,586 --> 00:30:25,034
Right? If they have things
in their history
707
00:30:25,068 --> 00:30:26,758
that would prevent them
from playing football
708
00:30:26,793 --> 00:30:28,172
or baseball, whatever
it might be.
709
00:30:28,206 --> 00:30:30,724
They kind of disappear.
We've seen that
with Aaron Hernandez,
710
00:30:30,758 --> 00:30:33,413
but as you mentioned,
Sergio was not a superstar.
711
00:30:33,448 --> 00:30:35,241
And there doesn't appear
to be anything in his past
712
00:30:35,275 --> 00:30:36,965
that would indicate
he was this troubled kid
713
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,689
throughout his college career
and in the NFL,
714
00:30:38,724 --> 00:30:40,275
because he wouldn't have been
playing if he was.
715
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:42,724
-Correct.
-Do you think this
is a more classic case
716
00:30:42,758 --> 00:30:44,551
of someone
who played football,
717
00:30:44,586 --> 00:30:46,862
did the right things,
but yet later in life,
718
00:30:46,896 --> 00:30:48,344
CTE finally caught up to him?
719
00:30:48,379 --> 00:30:49,379
That's probably right.
720
00:30:49,413 --> 00:30:51,172
And there is kind of
an actual direct link
721
00:30:51,206 --> 00:30:52,724
between Aaron Hernandez
and Sergio Brown.
722
00:30:52,758 --> 00:30:55,344
They both were rookies
on the 2010 New England
Patriots class.
723
00:30:55,379 --> 00:30:57,551
He had two, we'll say,
accused murderers
724
00:30:57,586 --> 00:30:59,275
for the time being,
but two people
725
00:30:59,310 --> 00:31:01,517
in the same rookie draft class
with Rob Gronkowski.
726
00:31:01,551 --> 00:31:03,448
-Yeah.
-So quite the rookie draft
class with the Patriots.
727
00:31:03,482 --> 00:31:05,172
So I do think that's possible.
728
00:31:05,206 --> 00:31:07,172
Again, he didn't play for his
first two years at Notre Dame.
729
00:31:07,206 --> 00:31:09,724
So no one had heard of him.
He didn't play in college.
730
00:31:09,758 --> 00:31:11,482
Then his last two years,
he got some playing time,
731
00:31:11,517 --> 00:31:12,551
but was not a star recruit.
732
00:31:12,586 --> 00:31:14,620
Aaron Hernandez,
star recruit,
733
00:31:14,655 --> 00:31:16,482
-Yeah.
-and they swept that
under the rug.
734
00:31:16,517 --> 00:31:17,758
A little bit of
a different situation.
735
00:31:17,793 --> 00:31:18,931
I have a question for you.
736
00:31:18,965 --> 00:31:21,586
As much as I would love to go
over and over and over
737
00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:24,758
his sports history,
can we talk about the murder?
738
00:31:24,793 --> 00:31:28,172
He's used to being a safety
and sacking
739
00:31:28,206 --> 00:31:29,724
huge football players.
740
00:31:29,758 --> 00:31:32,241
This is a very frail
73-year-old mother
741
00:31:32,275 --> 00:31:35,344
of all people, his own mother.
742
00:31:35,379 --> 00:31:38,551
You three are speculating
that CTE,
743
00:31:38,586 --> 00:31:42,068
a concussion-related injury,
may have had something
744
00:31:42,103 --> 00:31:44,931
to do with him
allegedly murdering
745
00:31:44,965 --> 00:31:47,172
Miss Myrtle, his mother.
746
00:31:47,206 --> 00:31:50,206
Was he ever treated for CTE?
747
00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:51,344
Yes, no. Was he?
748
00:31:51,379 --> 00:31:53,103
-I don't think so.
I don't believe so.
-Okay.
749
00:31:53,137 --> 00:31:57,310
Did he ever exhibit
problems with CTE in the past
750
00:31:57,344 --> 00:31:58,275
that you know of?
751
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:59,793
Not that I'm aware of, no.
752
00:31:59,827 --> 00:32:02,241
Do you know the injury
that threw him out of
753
00:32:02,275 --> 00:32:04,103
the roster with the Jags?
754
00:32:04,137 --> 00:32:06,310
-It was not CTE, was it?
-Yeah, it was not
a head injury.
755
00:32:06,344 --> 00:32:07,931
I believe it was an Achilles
if it wasn't.
756
00:32:07,965 --> 00:32:10,551
Yes, as a matter of fact,
it was Achilles injury.
757
00:32:10,586 --> 00:32:12,758
So, why are
we talking about
758
00:32:12,793 --> 00:32:16,724
the possibility his judgment
was clouded with CTE
759
00:32:16,758 --> 00:32:19,172
if he had never been
diagnosed, never treated,
760
00:32:19,206 --> 00:32:22,344
showed no signs of it,
and in fact his injury
761
00:32:22,379 --> 00:32:24,448
was an Achilles injury,
which is horrible,
762
00:32:24,482 --> 00:32:26,344
but it doesn't lead to murder.
763
00:32:26,379 --> 00:32:28,344
I think what we're trying
to do here is understand
764
00:32:28,379 --> 00:32:29,586
the why, right?
765
00:32:29,620 --> 00:32:31,241
The motive.
What's the reason behind it?
766
00:32:31,275 --> 00:32:32,827
And with someone
who may have something
767
00:32:32,862 --> 00:32:34,931
underlying that
we haven't diagnosed yet,
768
00:32:34,965 --> 00:32:36,896
it could be something that
we don't really understand.
769
00:32:36,931 --> 00:32:38,379
And CTE is so new.
770
00:32:38,413 --> 00:32:40,758
I think, as an investigator,
I want to know more about it.
771
00:32:40,793 --> 00:32:43,034
Because what we're finding is,
now recently,
772
00:32:43,068 --> 00:32:45,551
there's a lot of changes
in protocol within the NFL.
773
00:32:45,586 --> 00:32:47,137
But there's still going
to be a lot of players
774
00:32:47,172 --> 00:32:49,551
who weren't under
those protocols
who we're now seeing
775
00:32:49,586 --> 00:32:51,206
later in life
the residual effects.
776
00:32:51,241 --> 00:32:52,482
And I want to understand that.
777
00:32:52,517 --> 00:32:54,275
So maybe what we can do
in the future is prevent it
778
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:55,827
-from happening
to other people.
-I agree.
779
00:32:55,862 --> 00:32:57,448
I want to understand it, too.
780
00:32:57,482 --> 00:33:00,793
But what I really want,
you're a practicing lawyer.
781
00:33:00,827 --> 00:33:06,275
I want justice for
Miss Myrtle, 73 years old,
782
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:09,482
supporting her former
NFL star son.
783
00:33:09,517 --> 00:33:12,793
And then he's found
with her credit cards,
784
00:33:12,827 --> 00:33:15,896
her iPad, all of her stuff.
785
00:33:15,931 --> 00:33:18,965
And she was murdered brutally.
Look at her.
786
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,655
This little lady had
her neck snapped.
787
00:33:21,689 --> 00:33:24,000
And all of her clothes
taken off her,
788
00:33:24,034 --> 00:33:26,551
I believe, because
they were bloody.
789
00:33:26,586 --> 00:33:30,103
And that is more evidence
of premeditation
790
00:33:30,137 --> 00:33:32,965
and knowing full well
what you're doing.
791
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,965
They didn't just look at
the bathroom for evidence.
792
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,448
They looked down the drain...
793
00:33:38,482 --> 00:33:41,413
where he apparently
was getting rid of evidence.
794
00:33:41,448 --> 00:33:43,310
That is not crazy.
795
00:33:43,344 --> 00:33:45,620
But wouldn't that be after
the fact, though,
not premeditation?
796
00:33:45,655 --> 00:33:48,413
-We know that-- We know--
-It's contemporaneous
with the murder.
797
00:33:48,448 --> 00:33:50,551
We know that he burned
some clothes, allegedly.
798
00:33:50,586 --> 00:33:52,206
They have it on the ring
camera where you see that.
799
00:33:52,241 --> 00:33:54,620
Could it be a situation
where he loses control
800
00:33:54,655 --> 00:33:56,413
out of anger,
something happens,
801
00:33:56,448 --> 00:33:58,172
and then after the fact,
he realizes,
802
00:33:58,206 --> 00:34:01,000
"Oh my God, what did I do?"
Now he has to respond.
803
00:34:01,034 --> 00:34:02,275
Now there's things
he has to do to clear.
804
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:04,793
-From the lawyer.
-Yeah, I was gonna say
in, in the moment.
805
00:34:04,827 --> 00:34:06,896
We're talking about CT
and I think this is
really relevant
806
00:34:06,931 --> 00:34:08,034
outside of his sports
background.
807
00:34:08,068 --> 00:34:09,620
He was a content creator.
808
00:34:09,655 --> 00:34:11,275
He was posting
videos online
809
00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:13,862
and from about 2019
to the present. He's off.
810
00:34:13,896 --> 00:34:15,585
He's off the grid.
He's not on social media.
811
00:34:15,620 --> 00:34:16,724
We don't hear anything
about him.
812
00:34:16,757 --> 00:34:19,000
So it's not just
a let's pretend he has CTE,
813
00:34:19,034 --> 00:34:20,793
I think there is something
that changed with him
814
00:34:20,827 --> 00:34:21,965
over the last couple years.
815
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,965
So to Derrick's point,
is it possible?
816
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,344
There was some kind
of heated interaction
817
00:34:25,379 --> 00:34:27,241
and then he had some
lucid moment thereafter,
818
00:34:27,275 --> 00:34:28,516
I'm not sure 'cause
the videos that we see
819
00:34:28,551 --> 00:34:30,137
of him in Mexico are...
820
00:34:30,172 --> 00:34:31,585
I'm not seeing someone
that's so lucid.
821
00:34:31,620 --> 00:34:33,206
Maybe it's alcohol,
but then on the plane,
822
00:34:33,241 --> 00:34:35,034
can we really blame
the alcohol at that point?
823
00:34:35,068 --> 00:34:37,757
So Nancy, to your point,
maybe it's some kind of
824
00:34:37,793 --> 00:34:40,068
conjured up image
he's creating
in anticipation of
825
00:34:40,103 --> 00:34:41,482
some type of
insanity defense.
826
00:34:41,516 --> 00:34:43,585
But there is some, really,
for the last four years,
827
00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:44,793
he's been off the grid.
828
00:34:44,827 --> 00:34:46,793
He worked for Google,
digital account manager,
829
00:34:46,827 --> 00:34:50,103
had graduated from Miami
with an MBA post
his playing career.
830
00:34:50,137 --> 00:34:52,757
So there was some levels
of him being out there.
831
00:34:52,793 --> 00:34:54,516
So this is fairly new.
832
00:34:54,551 --> 00:34:55,655
This is the first time
we've seen him
833
00:34:55,688 --> 00:34:56,862
in a number of years
at this point.
834
00:34:56,896 --> 00:35:00,000
Did you guys ever think
his behavior in Mexico
835
00:35:00,034 --> 00:35:02,344
had something to do with
that empty bottle of tequila
836
00:35:02,379 --> 00:35:04,689
sitting in front of him?
Just a thought.
837
00:35:04,724 --> 00:35:07,172
When we come back,
a young wife found dead,
838
00:35:07,206 --> 00:35:09,896
her husband armed
and on the run.
839
00:35:09,931 --> 00:35:11,103
That's next.
840
00:35:11,137 --> 00:35:12,724
[music playing]
841
00:35:17,068 --> 00:35:18,517
We did find a vehicle.
842
00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:20,413
The vehicle was located
by a hunter.
843
00:35:20,448 --> 00:35:22,931
So we're asking anyone
with trail cams,
844
00:35:22,965 --> 00:35:25,931
any hunters, any people
with video cameras
845
00:35:25,965 --> 00:35:26,724
at their houses,
846
00:35:26,758 --> 00:35:29,482
please give it to the police.
847
00:35:29,517 --> 00:35:30,655
I'm going to have the number
in a second,
848
00:35:30,689 --> 00:35:32,655
the Gardner police
or the state police.
849
00:35:32,689 --> 00:35:34,758
It's incredible how
often that these tips
850
00:35:34,793 --> 00:35:38,448
help us solve crimes,
find people.
851
00:35:38,482 --> 00:35:40,275
So we're asking the public
for all their help.
852
00:35:41,482 --> 00:35:43,931
You are hearing
the Worcester
Mass District Attorney
853
00:35:43,965 --> 00:35:47,586
asking for your help finding
Aaron Pennington.
854
00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:50,000
As of this taping,
he's still missing.
855
00:35:50,034 --> 00:35:52,448
No one has seen him
since October '22,
856
00:35:52,482 --> 00:35:56,482
the same day his wife,
Breanne Pennington, found dead
857
00:35:56,517 --> 00:35:58,965
with a shotgun wound
to the face.
858
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,137
[female reporter]
Did Mr. Pennington has
a military background.
859
00:36:01,172 --> 00:36:03,758
Do you think he has the skill
set to survive in the woods?
860
00:36:03,793 --> 00:36:05,965
Well, you know, that's part of
the training.
861
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,551
Those are the questions
that the state police
862
00:36:07,586 --> 00:36:10,172
have been asking,
and they're finding out
exactly what training
863
00:36:10,206 --> 00:36:11,517
he would have had,
wouldn't have had.
864
00:36:11,551 --> 00:36:13,379
Yes, that is part
of the equation.
865
00:36:13,413 --> 00:36:14,862
We're going out there
in numbers,
866
00:36:14,896 --> 00:36:16,344
and we ask, please,
no one in the public
867
00:36:16,379 --> 00:36:18,275
go out and try
and look for this guy.
868
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:20,620
If you run into the guy,
call the guy in the police,
869
00:36:20,655 --> 00:36:22,448
call the state police,
call the police department,
870
00:36:22,482 --> 00:36:24,310
and just back off from
anything that you might see,
871
00:36:24,344 --> 00:36:26,931
but provide us with
the information
that you might get.
872
00:36:26,965 --> 00:36:29,448
Mara, Derrick,
what else do we know?
873
00:36:29,482 --> 00:36:31,758
Well, I think some of the most
compelling information
874
00:36:31,793 --> 00:36:33,413
that we have is from
the arrest warrant
875
00:36:33,448 --> 00:36:36,241
and the reason that police
believe that he's responsible
876
00:36:36,275 --> 00:36:37,896
for Breanne's death,
aside from the fact
877
00:36:37,931 --> 00:36:39,551
that he has disappeared.
878
00:36:39,586 --> 00:36:41,206
And in the arrest
warrant, they say that
879
00:36:41,241 --> 00:36:43,551
they found a note
written on his phone
880
00:36:43,586 --> 00:36:45,379
that he wrote the night before
she was killed.
881
00:36:45,413 --> 00:36:46,965
And if this is not
damning evidence,
882
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,103
I don't know what is.
883
00:36:48,137 --> 00:36:51,206
The note said, quote,
"Don't say anything. Be quiet.
884
00:36:51,241 --> 00:36:53,586
If she wakes up, just say
you're getting nasal spray.
885
00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:55,310
Get on side of bed...
886
00:36:55,344 --> 00:36:59,551
very close proximity to head,
put hole in her head."
887
00:36:59,586 --> 00:37:01,034
-Yeah.
-That information, of course,
888
00:37:01,068 --> 00:37:03,310
led to the arrest warrant
and is why police have
launched this manhunt.
889
00:37:03,344 --> 00:37:04,793
Yeah, so there's some
premeditation there,
890
00:37:04,827 --> 00:37:06,482
and to me, it sounds like
we might be dealing with
891
00:37:06,517 --> 00:37:08,448
another situation,
not exact, thank God,
892
00:37:08,482 --> 00:37:10,344
Robert Card, where we have
a situation.
893
00:37:10,379 --> 00:37:12,724
And by the way, thoughts
are with everyone
in Lewiston, Maine.
894
00:37:12,758 --> 00:37:14,206
I think you have a situation
where he felt like
895
00:37:14,241 --> 00:37:15,689
the relationship was ending.
896
00:37:15,724 --> 00:37:17,000
If he couldn't have her,
nobody could.
897
00:37:17,034 --> 00:37:18,689
There's some other Facebook
posts that indicate
898
00:37:18,724 --> 00:37:20,275
that's some of the thoughts
he was having.
899
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:21,689
I think we may be
in a situation
900
00:37:21,724 --> 00:37:24,206
where police are going
to find him and he's going
to be deceased
901
00:37:24,241 --> 00:37:26,103
from a self-inflicted wound.
902
00:37:26,137 --> 00:37:29,034
Right now, police are
on the search for
903
00:37:29,068 --> 00:37:31,896
Aaron Pennington, age 33.
904
00:37:31,931 --> 00:37:36,862
He is a white male, 6'2",
blonde, 175 pounds.
905
00:37:36,896 --> 00:37:39,689
Now, his car was found deep
in the woods.
906
00:37:39,724 --> 00:37:43,724
What we've learned from
doorbell and surveillance
footage
907
00:37:43,758 --> 00:37:47,000
is that he drives away
from the home.
908
00:37:47,034 --> 00:37:49,724
You see his four children...
909
00:37:49,758 --> 00:37:53,448
leaving the home,
going to a neighbor's home,
910
00:37:53,482 --> 00:37:55,103
asking for help.
911
00:37:55,137 --> 00:37:58,827
They tell the neighbor,
Mommy is lying down in
912
00:37:58,862 --> 00:38:02,827
the bedroom crying,
and they can't find Dad.
913
00:38:02,862 --> 00:38:05,896
She wasn't lying in
the bedroom crying.
914
00:38:05,931 --> 00:38:08,793
She was dead in
the master bedroom
915
00:38:08,827 --> 00:38:11,103
from a gunshot wound
to the face.
916
00:38:11,137 --> 00:38:12,482
In the home,
917
00:38:12,517 --> 00:38:16,379
three cartridges were found
from a shotgun.
918
00:38:16,413 --> 00:38:19,206
Hence the warning,
armed and dangerous.
919
00:38:19,241 --> 00:38:22,931
We also know Pennington
had special clearance
920
00:38:22,965 --> 00:38:27,310
within the U.S. Air Force,
and according to sources,
921
00:38:27,344 --> 00:38:30,344
worked on special ops.
922
00:38:30,379 --> 00:38:33,103
We know that he had active
secret clearance,
923
00:38:33,137 --> 00:38:38,206
and that's a quote,
an engineer with an illegally
owned firearm.
924
00:38:38,482 --> 00:38:39,448
Mara?
925
00:38:39,482 --> 00:38:41,206
Yeah, but the part of that
story, Nancy,
926
00:38:41,241 --> 00:38:45,034
that really breaks my heart
is the children,
ages two, five, seven,
927
00:38:45,068 --> 00:38:48,241
and nine, leaving their house
on foot in the morning,
928
00:38:48,275 --> 00:38:50,931
going to a neighbor's house
and asking for help.
929
00:38:50,965 --> 00:38:53,206
You have to think
that they heard the gunshot,
930
00:38:53,241 --> 00:38:55,413
and at least the older ones,
the seven and the nine,
931
00:38:55,448 --> 00:38:58,551
I have the seven-year-old,
that they would have been
aware that
932
00:38:58,586 --> 00:39:01,241
something very bad happened
and very scared,
933
00:39:01,275 --> 00:39:03,241
and that's why they went to
the neighbor's house for help.
934
00:39:03,275 --> 00:39:04,724
Because if they just thought
Mommy was crying,
935
00:39:04,758 --> 00:39:07,241
that's not great,
but not cause to leave
your house
936
00:39:07,275 --> 00:39:09,413
and go to the neighbor
and say, "Please call
the police."
937
00:39:09,448 --> 00:39:11,068
And that's what's really
sad here, is that
938
00:39:11,103 --> 00:39:13,413
now those kids don't have
any parents.
939
00:39:13,448 --> 00:39:17,551
And you see him pulling out
and leaving the children alone
940
00:39:17,586 --> 00:39:19,689
with their mother's dead body,
941
00:39:19,724 --> 00:39:24,034
lying with a shotgun wound
to the face,
942
00:39:24,068 --> 00:39:28,137
just like in that
"Note to self,"
he wrote to himself.
943
00:39:28,172 --> 00:39:30,310
Yeah, and Nancy, from what
you said earlier, I know that
944
00:39:30,344 --> 00:39:33,241
I said that he more than
likely has killed himself.
945
00:39:33,275 --> 00:39:35,448
Again, we don't know,
but police can't approach it
that way.
946
00:39:35,482 --> 00:39:37,655
So right now,
they're setting up a grid
947
00:39:37,689 --> 00:39:39,655
around the area where
the BMW was found.
948
00:39:39,689 --> 00:39:41,413
You have
a multi-jurisdictional
operation
949
00:39:41,448 --> 00:39:43,758
with a lot of moving parts,
and they're treating this
950
00:39:43,793 --> 00:39:45,413
as a still alive, armed,
and dangerous.
951
00:39:45,448 --> 00:39:47,551
Because think about it,
as a law enforcement officer,
952
00:39:47,586 --> 00:39:49,206
you're going into these woods,
953
00:39:49,241 --> 00:39:51,655
and the perpetrator has
the tactical advantage.
954
00:39:51,689 --> 00:39:53,275
He can see
and hear you coming.
955
00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:55,689
You don't know where he is,
so it's a really dangerous
situation,
956
00:39:55,724 --> 00:39:57,448
and I hope they find him
sooner than later,
957
00:39:57,482 --> 00:40:00,172
because until they find him,
he's a danger to
the community.
958
00:40:00,206 --> 00:40:02,620
But to your point, Derrick,
those who knew the family said
959
00:40:02,655 --> 00:40:04,793
that in the past he had
threatened suicide,
960
00:40:04,827 --> 00:40:07,655
and that also the alleged
motive here, if in fact
961
00:40:07,689 --> 00:40:09,000
he is responsible
for this murder,
962
00:40:09,034 --> 00:40:11,034
is that she was threatening
to leave,
963
00:40:11,068 --> 00:40:12,586
-Yeah.
-that she was going to leave,
she was going to take
964
00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:13,827
the children with her.
965
00:40:13,862 --> 00:40:15,758
So I think there's a very good
possibility that you're right,
966
00:40:15,793 --> 00:40:17,724
that he left the house
and went into the woods
to take them.
967
00:40:17,758 --> 00:40:19,379
[Nancy] And, clearly,
she was right.
968
00:40:19,413 --> 00:40:22,137
What had she been enduring
in the years
969
00:40:22,172 --> 00:40:24,724
leading up to this,
giving birth to
the four children,
970
00:40:24,758 --> 00:40:28,896
trying to raise them with
a dad behaving like this?
971
00:40:28,931 --> 00:40:33,551
No thought at all to what this
would do to his own children.
972
00:40:33,586 --> 00:40:36,931
As of this taping,
Aaron Pennington's
still missing.
973
00:40:36,965 --> 00:40:40,000
If you have info on
Aaron Pennington's
whereabouts,
974
00:40:40,034 --> 00:40:41,206
call the FBI.
975
00:40:41,241 --> 00:40:44,724
1-800-CALL-FBI. Repeat.
976
00:40:44,758 --> 00:40:48,655
1-800-CALL-FBI.
977
00:40:48,689 --> 00:40:50,793
Every week, we bring you
the breaking crime
978
00:40:50,827 --> 00:40:53,724
and justice news from across
our great country.
979
00:40:53,758 --> 00:40:55,379
In the coming weeks,
we talk about
980
00:40:55,413 --> 00:40:57,931
the biggest bombshells on
some of the biggest
crime stories
981
00:40:57,965 --> 00:41:00,034
from the headlines,
and some cases
982
00:41:00,068 --> 00:41:02,068
you may never have heard of.
983
00:41:02,103 --> 00:41:05,275
On behalf of Mara and Derrick,
we'll see you next week.
984
00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:06,034
Good night, friend.
985
00:41:07,551 --> 00:41:09,586
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