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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,517 --> 00:00:07,241 [narrator] This week on Crimefeed... 2 00:00:07,275 --> 00:00:10,965 Kouri Richins, her husband died drinking a Moscow Mule. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,103 She wrote a book about grief. 4 00:00:13,137 --> 00:00:15,793 Now she's suspected of murder, and her behavior 5 00:00:15,827 --> 00:00:17,000 gets more bizarre. 6 00:00:17,034 --> 00:00:19,724 And the disturbing case of Sergio Brown, 7 00:00:19,758 --> 00:00:22,758 the former NFL player found partying in Mexico 8 00:00:22,793 --> 00:00:26,344 while his mom's body was found in the woods near their house. 9 00:00:26,379 --> 00:00:28,724 This isCrimefeed with Nancy Grace, 10 00:00:28,758 --> 00:00:31,482 investigative journalist Mara S. Campo, 11 00:00:31,517 --> 00:00:34,172 and private investigator Derrick Levasseur. 12 00:00:37,551 --> 00:00:38,965 Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,137 This is Crimefeed, and I want to thank you for being with us. 14 00:00:42,172 --> 00:00:46,655 The picture-perfect family, a successful, glamorous mom 15 00:00:46,689 --> 00:00:49,448 and a dad who built his own business empire, 16 00:00:49,482 --> 00:00:53,931 three beautiful little boys, and a McMansion to boot. 17 00:00:53,965 --> 00:00:58,689 But now the dad is dead, dead of an over-the-top 18 00:00:58,724 --> 00:01:02,551 fentanyl overdose and mommy accused of murder. 19 00:01:02,965 --> 00:01:04,757 Mara, what? 20 00:01:04,793 --> 00:01:08,103 Yeah, Nancy, a year after the death of a loving husband 21 00:01:08,137 --> 00:01:11,241 and father of three children, authorities in Utah uncover 22 00:01:11,275 --> 00:01:14,379 what they believe is actually a twisted murder plot 23 00:01:14,413 --> 00:01:18,862 full of lies and deception, and the motive could be money. 24 00:01:18,896 --> 00:01:19,689 Here's the story. 25 00:01:21,689 --> 00:01:25,103 [Nancy] On March 4th, 2022, darkness descended on 26 00:01:25,137 --> 00:01:29,448 the radiant town of Kamas, Utah, when 39-year-old family man 27 00:01:29,482 --> 00:01:31,724 and wealthy business owner Eric Richins 28 00:01:31,758 --> 00:01:35,172 was found dead at the foot of his bed. 29 00:01:35,206 --> 00:01:39,033 Eric's wife, 33-year-old real estate agent Kouri Richins, 30 00:01:39,068 --> 00:01:42,103 told authorities she made Eric a Moscow Mule, 31 00:01:42,137 --> 00:01:44,793 vodka, and ginger beer before falling asleep 32 00:01:44,827 --> 00:01:46,482 in one of her children's rooms. 33 00:01:46,517 --> 00:01:48,827 When she woke up and went to her bedroom, 34 00:01:48,862 --> 00:01:50,965 her husband was cold to the touch. 35 00:01:52,206 --> 00:01:55,172 Eric's sudden death became even more shocking 36 00:01:55,206 --> 00:01:58,275 when his autopsy revealed something suspicious. 37 00:01:58,310 --> 00:02:00,827 The medical examiner determined he died of 38 00:02:00,862 --> 00:02:05,241 an overdose after finding five times the lethal dosage 39 00:02:05,275 --> 00:02:07,241 of fentanyl in his system. 40 00:02:07,275 --> 00:02:11,033 For Eric's friends and family, it didn't make any sense. 41 00:02:11,068 --> 00:02:14,103 As far as they knew, he never used drugs. 42 00:02:14,137 --> 00:02:16,275 Kouri said she was shattered. 43 00:02:16,310 --> 00:02:20,724 She was left to pick up the pieces for her three young boys. 44 00:02:20,758 --> 00:02:23,931 That included writing a children's book about coping 45 00:02:23,965 --> 00:02:27,724 with grief on the one-year anniversary of Eric's death. 46 00:02:27,758 --> 00:02:29,827 She even promoted the book on a TV show 47 00:02:29,862 --> 00:02:31,758 calledGood Things Utah. 48 00:02:31,793 --> 00:02:34,275 I just wanted some story to read to my kids 49 00:02:34,310 --> 00:02:36,862 at night, and I just could not find anything. 50 00:02:36,896 --> 00:02:39,344 I couldn't find anything that really, you know, suited them 51 00:02:39,379 --> 00:02:41,310 or helped them find comfort and peace. 52 00:02:41,344 --> 00:02:44,930 And so I was like, let's just write one. 53 00:02:44,965 --> 00:02:49,067 The book was even dedicated to, quote, "My amazing husband 54 00:02:49,103 --> 00:02:51,482 and a wonderful father." 55 00:02:51,517 --> 00:02:54,344 But while Kouri was becoming a national celebrity, 56 00:02:54,379 --> 00:02:57,965 she was also gaining the attention of authorities. 57 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,068 They suspected Kouri may not have been the poor, 58 00:03:01,103 --> 00:03:03,551 grieving widow she wanted to portray. 59 00:03:03,586 --> 00:03:06,034 Summit County Sheriff's investigators found evidence 60 00:03:06,068 --> 00:03:07,413 that pointed to Kouri. 61 00:03:07,448 --> 00:03:10,137 They discovered that Kouri purchased fentanyl 62 00:03:10,172 --> 00:03:13,793 from an acquaintance just days before Eric's death. 63 00:03:13,827 --> 00:03:17,448 Detectives now believe that Kouri Richins poisoned her husband 64 00:03:17,482 --> 00:03:20,068 by spiking his Moscow Mule with the drug 65 00:03:20,103 --> 00:03:21,206 on the night he died. 66 00:03:21,862 --> 00:03:23,172 But why? 67 00:03:24,482 --> 00:03:26,034 After looking into her background, 68 00:03:26,068 --> 00:03:28,655 police discovered Kouri's real estate business 69 00:03:28,689 --> 00:03:32,862 was in trouble, nearly $2 million in debt. 70 00:03:32,896 --> 00:03:35,448 And before Eric's death, they found that she took 71 00:03:35,482 --> 00:03:38,724 hundreds of thousands of dollars from his bank accounts, 72 00:03:38,758 --> 00:03:42,517 plus nearly $2 million in life insurance policies 73 00:03:42,551 --> 00:03:43,551 on her husband, 74 00:03:43,586 --> 00:03:45,482 without his knowledge. 75 00:03:45,517 --> 00:03:48,067 And all the pieces came together when detectives 76 00:03:48,103 --> 00:03:50,448 learned about Kouri's prenuptial agreement, 77 00:03:50,482 --> 00:03:53,724 barring her from claiming Eric's multi-million dollar business, 78 00:03:53,758 --> 00:03:56,655 except in the event of his death. 79 00:03:56,689 --> 00:03:59,034 She was arrested on May 8th, 2023 80 00:03:59,067 --> 00:04:00,965 for the murder of her husband. 81 00:04:05,034 --> 00:04:07,965 Now Eric's loved ones are waiting with bated breath to see 82 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,965 if a judge throws the book at the infamous author. 83 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,689 Kouri's next court appearance is scheduled 84 00:04:12,724 --> 00:04:15,137 for November 3rd, 2023. Nancy. 85 00:04:15,551 --> 00:04:16,724 Wow. Okay. 86 00:04:16,757 --> 00:04:19,310 That was an earful more than I wanted to hear. 87 00:04:19,344 --> 00:04:23,068 You know, you mentioned, Mara, could the motive be money? 88 00:04:23,103 --> 00:04:24,482 Well, yeah. 89 00:04:24,517 --> 00:04:27,896 $2 million worth of life insurance policies. 90 00:04:27,931 --> 00:04:29,931 Four life insurance policies 91 00:04:29,965 --> 00:04:33,000 that she, Kouri Richins, took out on her husband. 92 00:04:33,034 --> 00:04:34,275 -Yeah. -Now, let me tell you something. 93 00:04:34,310 --> 00:04:36,724 If my husband, David Lynch runs off behind 94 00:04:36,758 --> 00:04:39,620 my back and gets $2 million worth of life insurance on me, 95 00:04:39,655 --> 00:04:41,000 I'm calling a PI. 96 00:04:41,034 --> 00:04:43,310 Yeah, no, there's a lot there to really dive into. 97 00:04:43,344 --> 00:04:45,551 We have obviously the incidents 98 00:04:45,586 --> 00:04:47,620 leading up to the whole, the murder itself, 99 00:04:47,655 --> 00:04:50,586 thinking back to both the trip in Greece, where that was 100 00:04:50,620 --> 00:04:51,965 the first attempt to kill Eric, 101 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,275 where Eric actually calls his sister and says, 102 00:04:54,310 --> 00:04:56,068 I think Kouri just tried to kill me. 103 00:04:56,103 --> 00:04:59,068 Then you fast forward to Valentine's day where you have 104 00:04:59,103 --> 00:05:02,241 Kouri reaching out for some, some narcotics 105 00:05:02,275 --> 00:05:03,275 before the incident. 106 00:05:03,310 --> 00:05:04,448 He, Eric, takes a bite of his sandwich. 107 00:05:04,482 --> 00:05:06,103 [Nancy] Did you just say reaching out for narcotics? 108 00:05:06,137 --> 00:05:07,862 -[Derrick] Yeah. -You mean trying to score a buy? 109 00:05:07,896 --> 00:05:08,931 Trying to get a hit? 110 00:05:08,965 --> 00:05:09,965 -Yeah. -Okay. 111 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,689 Reaching out for narcotics kind of sounds like 112 00:05:11,724 --> 00:05:15,551 you're going to the doctor to get your heart medication refilled. 113 00:05:15,586 --> 00:05:17,310 Well, she was, hydrocodone was the first thing 114 00:05:17,344 --> 00:05:18,586 she went out for. 115 00:05:18,620 --> 00:05:20,689 That didn't work, so then she upgraded to fentanyl, right? 116 00:05:20,724 --> 00:05:22,551 And then you have Eric who takes a bite of a sandwich, 117 00:05:22,586 --> 00:05:23,896 just one bite. 118 00:05:23,931 --> 00:05:25,586 And he has this reaction where he has hives, 119 00:05:25,620 --> 00:05:26,724 and then he can't breathe. 120 00:05:26,758 --> 00:05:28,206 And fortunately, he was able to get 121 00:05:28,241 --> 00:05:30,275 to his son's EpiPen, which saved him. 122 00:05:30,310 --> 00:05:32,413 But then again, he calls his business partner 123 00:05:32,448 --> 00:05:34,896 and says, listen, I think Kouri just tried to kill me. 124 00:05:34,931 --> 00:05:37,310 -Those exact words, Derrick. You're right. -Yeah, I don't-- 125 00:05:37,344 --> 00:05:39,206 Hey, and he was kind of laughing about it. 126 00:05:39,241 --> 00:05:42,275 He said, "Hey, [chuckles] I think she's trying to kill me, man, 127 00:05:42,310 --> 00:05:43,413 for the money." 128 00:05:43,448 --> 00:05:45,310 -Yeah. -But truer words were never spoken, Mara. 129 00:05:45,344 --> 00:05:48,241 so much so that he then changed his will 130 00:05:48,275 --> 00:05:49,827 so that everything was put in trust. 131 00:05:49,862 --> 00:05:53,172 So the prenuptial agreement that they had said that 132 00:05:53,206 --> 00:05:56,137 she would get some of his assets if he died before her. 133 00:05:56,172 --> 00:05:58,931 And that's what she believed all the way up until his death. 134 00:05:58,965 --> 00:06:01,379 But what he had done is, in late 2020, 135 00:06:01,413 --> 00:06:04,310 because he didn't trust her, he created a trust, 136 00:06:04,344 --> 00:06:06,655 he moved all of his assets to the trust, 137 00:06:06,689 --> 00:06:09,275 and he made his sister, the personal representative, 138 00:06:09,310 --> 00:06:11,379 in control of that trust. 139 00:06:11,413 --> 00:06:12,758 Kouri did not learn that, 140 00:06:12,793 --> 00:06:15,103 allegedly, until after Eric's death. 141 00:06:15,137 --> 00:06:17,103 She was trying to drill into a safe 142 00:06:17,137 --> 00:06:20,344 because he had about $165,000 in cash in the safe, 143 00:06:20,379 --> 00:06:22,172 and she was told, you can't do that. 144 00:06:22,206 --> 00:06:25,000 And her sister-in-law said, because I'm in control of the estate. 145 00:06:25,034 --> 00:06:28,000 And then, reportedly, Kouri punched her sister-in-law 146 00:06:28,034 --> 00:06:29,206 when she learned that news. 147 00:06:29,241 --> 00:06:32,551 That's right, guys. And to top it all off, 148 00:06:32,586 --> 00:06:35,827 Kouri Richins, the so-called Moscow Mule Mom, 149 00:06:35,862 --> 00:06:39,137 because, you know, Moscow Mules are made 150 00:06:39,172 --> 00:06:43,448 with ginger beer, which is very tangy to hide 151 00:06:43,482 --> 00:06:45,103 the taste of fentanyl. 152 00:06:45,137 --> 00:06:50,862 She then goes on to write a grief book for her children. 153 00:06:50,896 --> 00:06:54,137 She's got three little boys to help them deal with 154 00:06:54,172 --> 00:06:57,344 losing their father that cops say she killed. 155 00:06:57,379 --> 00:06:59,896 I want you to take a listen to Kouri Richins 156 00:06:59,931 --> 00:07:01,620 talking about her "Grief book." 157 00:07:03,793 --> 00:07:07,034 So my husband passed away unexpectedly last year. 158 00:07:07,068 --> 00:07:10,586 So it's March 4th was a one-year anniversary 159 00:07:10,620 --> 00:07:14,275 for us and he was 39. It completely... 160 00:07:15,034 --> 00:07:17,310 took us all by shock. 161 00:07:17,344 --> 00:07:22,448 We have three little boys, 10, nine, and six and, um... 162 00:07:22,482 --> 00:07:25,482 You know, we kind of... My kids and I kind of wrote this book 163 00:07:25,517 --> 00:07:30,344 on the different emotions and [sighs] grieving processes 164 00:07:30,379 --> 00:07:33,551 that we've experienced last year and, you know, hoping that 165 00:07:33,586 --> 00:07:35,620 it can kind of help other kids, 166 00:07:35,655 --> 00:07:39,965 you know, deal with this and kind of, you know, 167 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,034 find happiness some way or another. 168 00:07:43,551 --> 00:07:45,620 Some way or another. 169 00:07:45,655 --> 00:07:47,413 Well, she says she wrote the book with her 170 00:07:47,448 --> 00:07:50,379 three little children, but her Google searches reveal, 171 00:07:50,413 --> 00:07:53,000 "How do I hire somebody to write a book for me?" 172 00:07:53,034 --> 00:07:54,137 Ouch. 173 00:07:54,172 --> 00:07:56,413 Yeah, well, there's other Google searches that I find 174 00:07:56,448 --> 00:07:58,586 incredibly compelling in this case. 175 00:07:58,620 --> 00:08:01,896 So on the evening of Eric's death, she told police 176 00:08:01,931 --> 00:08:03,172 that she didn't touch her phone. 177 00:08:03,206 --> 00:08:05,172 -Right. -But they later found that there was activity 178 00:08:05,206 --> 00:08:07,000 on her phone, including internet searches. 179 00:08:07,034 --> 00:08:10,379 And here is some of what she allegedly searched that night. 180 00:08:10,413 --> 00:08:13,551 "Can cops force you to take a lie detector test? 181 00:08:13,586 --> 00:08:16,827 Will life insurance pay if the death certificate says pending? 182 00:08:16,862 --> 00:08:19,482 If someone is poisoned, what does it go down 183 00:08:19,517 --> 00:08:20,551 on the death certificate as?" 184 00:08:20,586 --> 00:08:22,689 And, my favorite, what is considered 185 00:08:22,724 --> 00:08:24,310 a lethal dose of fentanyl? 186 00:08:24,344 --> 00:08:26,448 One more thing about the phone, because that's incriminating, 187 00:08:26,482 --> 00:08:27,517 obviously. 188 00:08:27,551 --> 00:08:28,724 But also, think about what she said that night. 189 00:08:28,758 --> 00:08:30,034 She gives him the Moscow Mule. 190 00:08:30,068 --> 00:08:31,482 She says she goes to bed with her son, 191 00:08:31,517 --> 00:08:32,965 who is having nightmares. 192 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,309 And she says she leaves her phone on the charge the entire time. 193 00:08:35,344 --> 00:08:37,448 However, the phone tells a different story. 194 00:08:37,482 --> 00:08:39,551 You have multiple times where the phone was locked 195 00:08:39,586 --> 00:08:41,965 and unlocked while she allegedly was sleeping. 196 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,758 And then you also have her doing actual messages 197 00:08:44,793 --> 00:08:46,827 between someone who were later deleted. 198 00:08:46,862 --> 00:08:49,068 And then finally, they have movement with the phone itself. 199 00:08:49,103 --> 00:08:51,172 So clearly, what she was saying did not happen. 200 00:08:51,206 --> 00:08:52,448 I think cops are really going to weigh in on that. 201 00:08:52,482 --> 00:08:54,965 She's getting caught in a lot of lies. 202 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,655 Eric Richen's family has lived through H-E-L-L. 203 00:08:58,689 --> 00:09:01,689 Did they believe Eric was murdered? 204 00:09:01,724 --> 00:09:02,551 When we come back. 205 00:09:04,344 --> 00:09:06,620 [music playing] 206 00:09:13,931 --> 00:09:17,379 A mom of three, Kouri Richins, accused of spiking her husband's 207 00:09:17,413 --> 00:09:19,000 Moscow Mule cocktail 208 00:09:19,034 --> 00:09:21,000 with a deadly fentanyl overdose. 209 00:09:21,034 --> 00:09:24,068 And then she goes on to write a children's book 210 00:09:24,103 --> 00:09:26,551 about grief for their three little boys. 211 00:09:26,586 --> 00:09:28,172 And now in a new twist, 212 00:09:28,206 --> 00:09:32,793 jailers say she writes a script for her family, 213 00:09:32,827 --> 00:09:36,551 directing them to lie about the murder. 214 00:09:36,586 --> 00:09:40,034 So how does Eric Richins' family feel about that? 215 00:09:40,068 --> 00:09:41,310 With us right now. 216 00:09:41,344 --> 00:09:44,482 High-profile lawyer Greg Skordas, the family spokesperson. 217 00:09:44,517 --> 00:09:46,413 Greg, it's so great to see you again. 218 00:09:46,448 --> 00:09:47,586 It's nice to be with you again. 219 00:09:47,620 --> 00:09:50,137 You're representing Eric Richins' family. 220 00:09:50,172 --> 00:09:53,724 And what's amazing to me, Greg, is this, I believe, 221 00:09:53,758 --> 00:09:56,896 is not the first time she's tried to poison him. 222 00:09:56,931 --> 00:09:59,379 And that family, the Richins' family, 223 00:09:59,413 --> 00:10:01,655 must have smelled trouble way back when, 224 00:10:01,689 --> 00:10:04,655 when they talked Eric into signing a prenup, 225 00:10:04,689 --> 00:10:06,758 getting her to sign a prenup. 226 00:10:06,793 --> 00:10:09,655 What's the latest with this script that jailers 227 00:10:09,689 --> 00:10:13,689 find in her cell telling them to say Eric was a drug addict 228 00:10:13,724 --> 00:10:15,758 and he would go to Mexico and get drugs? 229 00:10:15,793 --> 00:10:18,275 She's the one scoring the drugs from a housekeeper. 230 00:10:18,310 --> 00:10:19,896 The housekeeper's already admitted. 231 00:10:19,931 --> 00:10:22,689 Yeah, it's the walk the dog letter, and the jailers found 232 00:10:22,724 --> 00:10:24,413 that during a routine search of her cell. 233 00:10:24,448 --> 00:10:26,241 They found a letter folded up in a book 234 00:10:26,275 --> 00:10:28,827 that basically is a letter to her mother 235 00:10:28,862 --> 00:10:31,344 purporting to give her brother information 236 00:10:31,379 --> 00:10:33,586 about what to say, and she sort of even says, 237 00:10:33,620 --> 00:10:35,620 you know, you need to spoon-feed it to the kid 238 00:10:35,655 --> 00:10:37,620 because maybe he's not the brightest, 239 00:10:37,655 --> 00:10:38,931 -but... -Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. 240 00:10:38,965 --> 00:10:40,448 -Yes. -What? 241 00:10:40,482 --> 00:10:44,172 The "script" says you need to spoon feed him this? 242 00:10:44,206 --> 00:10:46,689 Yeah, she says sort of make it short make it easy 243 00:10:46,724 --> 00:10:49,551 -Don't, don't use a lot of big words. Right. -Dummy down. 244 00:10:49,586 --> 00:10:52,517 And so, and that, that Eric was a drug user. 245 00:10:52,551 --> 00:10:54,586 That he traveled to Mexico periodically to get 246 00:10:54,620 --> 00:10:56,896 his fentanyl, all of which is completely untrue, 247 00:10:56,931 --> 00:10:59,413 not corroborated by anything. But, she says, 248 00:10:59,448 --> 00:11:01,655 you need to give this to my brother. 249 00:11:01,689 --> 00:11:04,000 You need to tell him when he goes to court that 250 00:11:04,034 --> 00:11:06,310 what he needs to say is A, B, C, and D 251 00:11:06,344 --> 00:11:09,551 which would establish if true that Eric was in fact, 252 00:11:09,586 --> 00:11:11,448 a drug user when in fact, it's just not. 253 00:11:11,482 --> 00:11:13,931 I mean, this... the county's actually looking at it 254 00:11:13,965 --> 00:11:15,758 -as witness tampering. -Oh, yeah. 255 00:11:15,793 --> 00:11:17,034 [Nancy] You're darn right. 256 00:11:17,068 --> 00:11:20,172 So she doesn't want to just kill him according to police. 257 00:11:20,206 --> 00:11:22,689 She wants to drag his reputation through the mud 258 00:11:22,724 --> 00:11:24,344 I mean, what's worse than that? 259 00:11:24,379 --> 00:11:26,655 According to police, she kills him, 260 00:11:26,689 --> 00:11:29,310 murders him for money, pecuniary interest 261 00:11:29,344 --> 00:11:32,517 and then tries to paint him as a dope addict. 262 00:11:32,551 --> 00:11:34,379 Well, part and part of what she writes in that letter 263 00:11:34,413 --> 00:11:36,931 is coaching on what they should say during interviews 264 00:11:36,965 --> 00:11:39,344 and she says during an interview with Good Morning America, 265 00:11:39,379 --> 00:11:42,379 make sure you tell them that he bragged about being a drug user. 266 00:11:42,413 --> 00:11:44,827 And is that the kind of thing, if your beloved husband 267 00:11:44,862 --> 00:11:46,586 had died of an accidental overdose, 268 00:11:46,620 --> 00:11:48,068 you would want people to think? 269 00:11:48,103 --> 00:11:52,068 Can you give us some insight on what kind of person Kouri is 270 00:11:52,103 --> 00:11:55,655 as a person, as someone who has a personal knowledge 271 00:11:55,689 --> 00:11:56,793 of her? 272 00:11:56,827 --> 00:11:59,517 I guess from just having practiced law for 41 years, 273 00:11:59,551 --> 00:12:00,862 I would call her a sociopath. 274 00:12:00,896 --> 00:12:03,379 I mean, a person really devoid of a conscience, 275 00:12:03,413 --> 00:12:05,689 devoid of a-- I mean, there's nothing there. 276 00:12:05,724 --> 00:12:07,517 When you look at her, when you see her in court, 277 00:12:07,551 --> 00:12:10,896 when you watch her body language, there is nothing. 278 00:12:10,931 --> 00:12:14,068 And just like you talked about, the writing of a book. 279 00:12:14,103 --> 00:12:16,827 That is trying to make it seem as though 280 00:12:16,862 --> 00:12:18,689 your husband was a sympathetic person, 281 00:12:18,724 --> 00:12:20,655 that he's up in heaven sort of coming 282 00:12:20,689 --> 00:12:22,551 and reaching out toward the children. 283 00:12:22,586 --> 00:12:25,103 It's just such hypocrisy, given everything 284 00:12:25,137 --> 00:12:27,068 we now know about the homicide. 285 00:12:27,103 --> 00:12:29,344 But it just, it never surprises me. 286 00:12:29,379 --> 00:12:30,586 I mean, I've practiced law long enough 287 00:12:30,620 --> 00:12:33,068 to see that every case has its own nuances, 288 00:12:33,103 --> 00:12:35,482 and this one just, and it continues to take turn 289 00:12:35,517 --> 00:12:36,689 after turn after turn. 290 00:12:36,724 --> 00:12:38,310 Can you tell us about the party? 291 00:12:38,344 --> 00:12:39,448 I love that part. 292 00:12:39,482 --> 00:12:42,551 -Yeah. -That would be state's exhibit number one. 293 00:12:42,586 --> 00:12:43,896 Please tell us, Greg. 294 00:12:43,931 --> 00:12:46,620 Yeah, so right after, I mean, she was ready to close 295 00:12:46,655 --> 00:12:48,310 on a house about the time Eric died. 296 00:12:48,344 --> 00:12:49,965 That he disagreed with flipping that house. 297 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,517 That he didn't want her to buy the $2 million 298 00:12:51,551 --> 00:12:54,724 so-called mansion in neighboring Wasatch County. 299 00:12:54,758 --> 00:12:57,206 So she still celebrated, notwithstanding her husband 300 00:12:57,241 --> 00:13:00,793 has just died, the purchase of the part of the house, 301 00:13:00,827 --> 00:13:03,448 and the house that she was going to flip. 302 00:13:03,482 --> 00:13:06,551 Of course, she was well upside down with hard money lenders 303 00:13:06,586 --> 00:13:08,241 and with others in that house. 304 00:13:08,275 --> 00:13:09,896 She was never going to make the money that 305 00:13:09,931 --> 00:13:12,241 she was bragging that she was going to make. 306 00:13:12,275 --> 00:13:15,137 And in fact, it got to the point where she got in 307 00:13:15,172 --> 00:13:16,931 a fight with one of Eric's sisters 308 00:13:16,965 --> 00:13:19,310 and was charged criminally with assault 309 00:13:19,344 --> 00:13:21,827 because she allegedly punched the sister. 310 00:13:21,862 --> 00:13:24,034 -Which sister was that, Greg? -It was Katie. 311 00:13:24,068 --> 00:13:26,034 As a matter of fact, let's take a listen 312 00:13:26,068 --> 00:13:29,965 to the dad, Eric, sister Amy. 313 00:13:32,551 --> 00:13:36,206 Dear Judge Mrazik, I'm here today to represent 314 00:13:36,241 --> 00:13:38,344 my brother, Eric Eugene Richins, 315 00:13:39,413 --> 00:13:41,689 His life was taken in a senseless act 316 00:13:41,724 --> 00:13:44,620 of poisoning on March 3rd, 2022. 317 00:13:45,724 --> 00:13:47,862 His wife, the defendant, has been accused of 318 00:13:47,896 --> 00:13:50,034 committing this crime. 319 00:13:50,068 --> 00:13:52,448 If she is found guilty, she has committed 320 00:13:52,482 --> 00:13:54,034 the ultimate act of betrayal. 321 00:13:55,517 --> 00:13:58,931 Eric is gone and I am brokenhearted. 322 00:13:58,965 --> 00:14:01,620 He was my best friend and protector. 323 00:14:01,655 --> 00:14:03,965 The feeling of loss is so great, it is visceral. 324 00:14:05,172 --> 00:14:07,448 And with the sorrow comes wave of panic 325 00:14:07,482 --> 00:14:09,965 and not being able to see him again. 326 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,793 I can never talk to him, never hug him again, 327 00:14:12,827 --> 00:14:15,034 and never more be a part of his life. 328 00:14:15,068 --> 00:14:17,827 With me, high-profile lawyer Greg Skordas, 329 00:14:17,862 --> 00:14:21,275 who is representing Eric's family, the Richen family. 330 00:14:21,310 --> 00:14:23,000 I think the whole thing is bass-ackwards, 331 00:14:23,034 --> 00:14:24,862 and maybe I'm projecting, Greg. 332 00:14:24,896 --> 00:14:27,724 But after my fiance was murdered shortly 333 00:14:27,758 --> 00:14:30,517 before our wedding, the last thing I had 334 00:14:30,551 --> 00:14:33,655 on my mind is throwing a boozed-up party 335 00:14:33,689 --> 00:14:36,241 over flipping a house and making money. 336 00:14:36,275 --> 00:14:37,379 Money? 337 00:14:37,413 --> 00:14:41,344 What's money when the one you love the most is gone? 338 00:14:41,379 --> 00:14:43,620 Or hiring a locksmith to come and drill his safe 339 00:14:43,655 --> 00:14:45,000 while people are still there mourning. 340 00:14:45,034 --> 00:14:47,448 I mean, that's really what precipitated the conflict, 341 00:14:47,482 --> 00:14:49,586 is she's got some guy out there drilling a hole 342 00:14:49,620 --> 00:14:51,448 in his safe because, as you mentioned 343 00:14:51,482 --> 00:14:53,310 earlier, there was a lot of cash in there. 344 00:14:53,344 --> 00:14:56,965 I mean, she was not holding back at all, trying to access 345 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,413 as many of his assets as possible as soon as he died. 346 00:14:59,448 --> 00:15:01,517 [Derrick] Greg, I think a lot of people, when they hear this story, 347 00:15:01,551 --> 00:15:03,448 are going to ask why. Why did Eric stay? 348 00:15:03,482 --> 00:15:05,448 I mean, as a detective, we're looking for means, 349 00:15:05,482 --> 00:15:09,241 motive, opportunity, and very rarely do you have a victim who's aware, 350 00:15:09,275 --> 00:15:10,793 before their death, of the means 351 00:15:10,827 --> 00:15:13,000 and the motive behind it. 352 00:15:13,034 --> 00:15:14,206 I know there are kids involved, 353 00:15:14,241 --> 00:15:17,655 but do you have any insight as to why Eric chose to stay 354 00:15:17,689 --> 00:15:19,241 under the same roof with Kouri? 355 00:15:19,275 --> 00:15:21,379 You just said the reason, Derrick. Three reasons. 356 00:15:21,413 --> 00:15:22,482 -Yes. -Those three boys. 357 00:15:22,517 --> 00:15:25,689 And he was a father above everything else. 358 00:15:25,724 --> 00:15:27,448 And he would have done anything he could 359 00:15:27,482 --> 00:15:30,000 to keep that family together. And it's part of the culture there. 360 00:15:30,034 --> 00:15:31,827 It's part of the way people live in that 361 00:15:31,862 --> 00:15:32,827 particular community. 362 00:15:32,862 --> 00:15:35,413 But he wanted to stay with those children 363 00:15:35,448 --> 00:15:36,827 and raise those in a family. 364 00:15:36,862 --> 00:15:40,551 Now, he was certainly looking in terms of protecting his assets 365 00:15:40,586 --> 00:15:42,827 and maybe even had consulted a divorce lawyer. 366 00:15:42,862 --> 00:15:45,241 But he was not going to do anything that would 367 00:15:45,275 --> 00:15:48,275 jeopardize the health or safety of those boys. 368 00:15:48,310 --> 00:15:50,586 [Nancy] You know, we've got more of Amy. 369 00:15:50,620 --> 00:15:53,965 Let's take a listen one more time to Eric's sister. 370 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,000 His own family seem to be the only ones standing up for him. 371 00:15:58,034 --> 00:16:00,206 He has no voice of his own now. 372 00:16:00,241 --> 00:16:01,793 He's been murdered. Listen. 373 00:16:03,724 --> 00:16:05,620 Not only did she betray our brother, 374 00:16:05,655 --> 00:16:07,310 it feels as though she has murdered 375 00:16:07,344 --> 00:16:09,241 and taken away a part of our souls as well. 376 00:16:10,965 --> 00:16:13,275 Because of our actions, there has not been a day 377 00:16:13,310 --> 00:16:14,931 that has gone by we have not lived 378 00:16:14,965 --> 00:16:17,034 with paralyzing anxiety and fear, 379 00:16:17,068 --> 00:16:20,689 worrying for the boys' lives as well as our own. 380 00:16:20,724 --> 00:16:25,000 I may be naive, but I never knew evil like this existed. 381 00:16:25,034 --> 00:16:26,827 The twists and turns in the case, 382 00:16:26,862 --> 00:16:29,758 her writing the book, her going on TV, 383 00:16:29,793 --> 00:16:34,172 drilling into his safe while literally the mourners are 384 00:16:34,206 --> 00:16:37,793 in the home mourning, throwing the party. 385 00:16:38,517 --> 00:16:41,137 It's almost laughable. 386 00:16:41,172 --> 00:16:45,896 But I think you get lost in the fact that Eric is gone. 387 00:16:45,931 --> 00:16:49,206 These boys are going to be raised without a father 388 00:16:49,241 --> 00:16:51,827 and possibly without a mother. 389 00:16:51,862 --> 00:16:54,655 Right, and you know, at the time, and even today, 390 00:16:54,689 --> 00:16:57,448 when a person dies of a fentanyl overdose, 391 00:16:57,482 --> 00:16:59,344 it just seems that law enforcement 392 00:16:59,379 --> 00:17:01,241 sometimes takes it for granted. 393 00:17:01,275 --> 00:17:03,172 And I think that was her miscalculation. 394 00:17:03,206 --> 00:17:07,310 They assumed, oh, another one is dying of a drug overdose. 395 00:17:07,344 --> 00:17:08,931 They're not going to do an investigation. 396 00:17:08,964 --> 00:17:10,827 And so she was quick to do all the things 397 00:17:10,862 --> 00:17:11,931 you're just talking about, 398 00:17:11,964 --> 00:17:13,964 not realizing that law enforcement, 399 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,103 and especially the Richins family, was not going to give up 400 00:17:17,137 --> 00:17:19,172 on this case and were going to make sure that 401 00:17:19,205 --> 00:17:21,137 somebody found out exactly what happened here. 402 00:17:21,172 --> 00:17:22,448 They're not the only ones. 403 00:17:22,482 --> 00:17:24,241 We're not giving up on it either, 404 00:17:24,275 --> 00:17:26,034 and neither are you, Greg Skordas. 405 00:17:26,068 --> 00:17:28,068 Greg Skordas, you're awesome. 406 00:17:28,103 --> 00:17:29,793 Thank you for being with us. 407 00:17:29,827 --> 00:17:33,655 Guys, when we come back, Sergio Brown, a former NFL star, 408 00:17:33,689 --> 00:17:37,310 faked parties in Mexico while his mother's body 409 00:17:37,344 --> 00:17:38,896 is found outdoors 410 00:17:38,931 --> 00:17:42,068 wrapped in a sheet near the family home. 411 00:17:42,103 --> 00:17:42,758 Stay with us. 412 00:17:43,275 --> 00:17:44,413 [music playing] 413 00:17:48,758 --> 00:17:53,034 Welcome back to Crimefeed,and now to NFL star Sergio Brown 414 00:17:53,068 --> 00:17:57,689 in Mexico, living it up while his mom is found dead. 415 00:17:57,724 --> 00:17:59,620 Her neck snapped? 416 00:17:59,655 --> 00:18:02,103 Mara, what happened to Miss Myrtle? 417 00:18:02,137 --> 00:18:04,827 Well, Nancy, we're talking, of course, about Sergio Brown, 418 00:18:04,862 --> 00:18:07,655 the 35-year-old former NFL safety who had played 419 00:18:07,689 --> 00:18:09,724 for major teams like the New England Patriots, 420 00:18:09,758 --> 00:18:12,206 the Indianapolis Colts, and the Buffalo Bills. 421 00:18:12,241 --> 00:18:14,793 His disappearance, along with his mother last month, 422 00:18:14,827 --> 00:18:17,827 prompted a major search for the pair. 423 00:18:17,862 --> 00:18:19,551 Let's take a look at what authorities have found 424 00:18:19,586 --> 00:18:20,517 in this case so far. 425 00:18:23,793 --> 00:18:26,206 Sergio Brown and his 73-year-old mother 426 00:18:26,241 --> 00:18:28,137 Myrtle Simmons Brown were seen on the night of 427 00:18:28,172 --> 00:18:30,827 September 14th by a neighbor near the house 428 00:18:30,862 --> 00:18:33,482 they shared together in Maywood, Illinois. 429 00:18:33,517 --> 00:18:37,000 It was the last time Myrtle would be seen alive. 430 00:18:37,034 --> 00:18:39,344 She and Sergio were reported missing 431 00:18:39,379 --> 00:18:41,586 two days later on the 16th. 432 00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:44,793 But later that same day, Maywood police recovered 433 00:18:44,827 --> 00:18:47,068 the body of Myrtle Simmons Brown 434 00:18:47,103 --> 00:18:48,896 from a creek near their home. 435 00:18:48,931 --> 00:18:52,275 A medical examiner determining her death was caused by 436 00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:54,931 multiple injuries from an assault. 437 00:18:56,275 --> 00:18:58,689 Sergio, however, was still missing 438 00:18:58,724 --> 00:19:02,655 until two days later when he posted a bizarre video 439 00:19:02,689 --> 00:19:06,689 of himself in Mexico addressing his mother's disappearance, 440 00:19:06,724 --> 00:19:09,758 saying he believed she was simply on vacation 441 00:19:09,793 --> 00:19:13,172 and claiming the FBI had tried to kidnap him. 442 00:19:13,551 --> 00:19:15,103 [speaking] 443 00:19:26,448 --> 00:19:28,793 [bleep] 444 00:19:31,310 --> 00:19:34,551 Then, two weeks later, despite the recent discovery 445 00:19:34,586 --> 00:19:37,862 of his mother's body, Brown was spotted partying 446 00:19:37,896 --> 00:19:41,379 in Tulum, seemingly without a care. 447 00:19:41,413 --> 00:19:43,931 Finally, all of his partying came to an end 448 00:19:43,965 --> 00:19:46,482 earlier this month when Illinois investigators 449 00:19:46,517 --> 00:19:48,931 issued an arrest warrant for Brown for 450 00:19:48,965 --> 00:19:51,827 the first-degree murder of his mother. 451 00:19:51,862 --> 00:19:55,034 Mexican officials intercepted Brown on a flight 452 00:19:55,068 --> 00:19:57,793 he was trying to take to Colombia. 453 00:19:57,827 --> 00:19:59,034 This is a kidnapping. 454 00:19:59,931 --> 00:20:00,931 They're in uniforms. 455 00:20:01,965 --> 00:20:03,551 I was going to Colombia. 456 00:20:03,586 --> 00:20:05,379 I'm from Chicago. 457 00:20:05,413 --> 00:20:07,172 I should not be going to Tijuana. 458 00:20:10,344 --> 00:20:11,620 Relax, relax. 459 00:20:14,413 --> 00:20:15,586 Let me go. 460 00:20:16,896 --> 00:20:18,689 This is kidnapping. 461 00:20:18,724 --> 00:20:21,137 Witnesses say it took an hour and a half 462 00:20:21,172 --> 00:20:24,137 to escort him off the flight. 463 00:20:24,172 --> 00:20:27,206 Brown is now being held in custody back in Maywood, Illinois, 464 00:20:27,241 --> 00:20:29,379 after his extradition back to that state. 465 00:20:29,413 --> 00:20:30,655 Nancy? 466 00:20:30,689 --> 00:20:36,344 Amazing that a professional NFLer takes on an air marshal. 467 00:20:36,379 --> 00:20:38,379 That's what you don't want to do, is take on 468 00:20:38,413 --> 00:20:41,275 an air marshal that's trying to arrest you on a plane. 469 00:20:41,310 --> 00:20:45,793 You know, speaking of the body of Miss Myrtle, who's 73 years old, 470 00:20:45,827 --> 00:20:49,137 the one person, the one person in the world 471 00:20:49,172 --> 00:20:53,034 that has stood by Sergio Brown since he was born. 472 00:20:53,068 --> 00:20:55,241 She lets him live with her. 473 00:20:55,275 --> 00:20:59,551 She is found completely nude, wrapped in a sheet, 474 00:20:59,586 --> 00:21:02,448 not too far from the family home with-- 475 00:21:02,482 --> 00:21:04,827 You saw the picture of her, Derrick. 476 00:21:04,862 --> 00:21:08,310 This frail little lady, her neck was snapped. 477 00:21:08,344 --> 00:21:11,241 Yeah. This doesn't seem like it was a premeditated murder, 478 00:21:11,275 --> 00:21:13,482 but more of a heated argument that escalated. 479 00:21:13,517 --> 00:21:15,758 Clearly, there's things going on with Sergio. 480 00:21:15,793 --> 00:21:17,137 It might be related to CTE. 481 00:21:17,172 --> 00:21:18,655 We're going to get into that a little bit later. 482 00:21:18,689 --> 00:21:21,000 -But forensically, it doesn't look good. -Right, right. 483 00:21:22,103 --> 00:21:25,241 -You mean the concussion impairment, CTE? -Right. 484 00:21:25,275 --> 00:21:28,241 So you think that could possibly be a defense 485 00:21:28,275 --> 00:21:30,000 to killing your own mother? 486 00:21:30,034 --> 00:21:32,793 -Sounds more like a robbery gone wrong to me. -Yeah-- 487 00:21:32,827 --> 00:21:35,241 He has her credit cards, her iPad. 488 00:21:35,275 --> 00:21:38,310 I think she got tired of him mooching off her 489 00:21:38,344 --> 00:21:40,655 and they had an argument about money and he killed her. 490 00:21:40,689 --> 00:21:42,103 Yeah, I don't think it's a defense, 491 00:21:42,137 --> 00:21:43,586 but I think it's something we have to acknowledge 492 00:21:43,620 --> 00:21:45,000 that may have played a factor in this. 493 00:21:45,034 --> 00:21:46,862 Sergio Brown was not a superstar. 494 00:21:46,896 --> 00:21:48,724 He wasn't like an Aaron Hernandez. 495 00:21:48,758 --> 00:21:50,517 He didn't have a troubled past, because if he did, 496 00:21:50,551 --> 00:21:51,482 we would have known about it. 497 00:21:51,517 --> 00:21:53,172 He wouldn't have been playing in the NFL. 498 00:21:53,206 --> 00:21:54,758 The fact that he had-- and I was looking at 499 00:21:54,793 --> 00:21:56,172 a lot of his old Instagram videos. 500 00:21:56,206 --> 00:21:57,448 He seemed like a pretty good guy. 501 00:21:57,482 --> 00:21:59,310 There was nothing really publicly put out there about him. 502 00:21:59,344 --> 00:22:00,896 He was a New England Patriots player. 503 00:22:00,931 --> 00:22:02,517 I'm a fan of the New England Patriots. 504 00:22:02,551 --> 00:22:04,172 Never heard anything negative about him 505 00:22:04,206 --> 00:22:06,000 in the area where I worked as a patrolman. 506 00:22:06,034 --> 00:22:07,655 But forensically, as far as the case itself, 507 00:22:07,689 --> 00:22:08,896 it doesn't look good. 508 00:22:08,931 --> 00:22:10,620 You have DNA that was taken off 509 00:22:10,655 --> 00:22:12,655 Sergio's toothbrush that was found potentially 510 00:22:12,689 --> 00:22:14,275 under the fingernails of Myrtle, 511 00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:15,724 which shows defensive wounds. 512 00:22:15,758 --> 00:22:18,413 You also have Sergio's blood found on the patio. 513 00:22:18,448 --> 00:22:20,620 And then finally, you have the Ajax cleaner 514 00:22:20,655 --> 00:22:22,448 that was found in the bathtub. 515 00:22:22,482 --> 00:22:24,137 -It's just not good. Yeah. -In the drain, specifically, 516 00:22:24,172 --> 00:22:26,379 as if trying to get rid of evidence. 517 00:22:26,413 --> 00:22:29,620 You know, it's funny, odd that you mentioned all of 518 00:22:29,655 --> 00:22:34,137 his prior posts as seemingly being like a "Normal guy," 519 00:22:34,172 --> 00:22:37,689 which would directly contradict any claim 520 00:22:37,724 --> 00:22:40,586 of a concussion-related ailment that led him 521 00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:43,275 to do this and then go fake party in Mexico. 522 00:22:43,310 --> 00:22:47,344 And by the way, he also said, "Fake news, I'm being framed, 523 00:22:47,379 --> 00:22:50,931 the FBI did it, the local police did it." 524 00:22:50,965 --> 00:22:52,793 And lied about his mother's whereabouts. 525 00:22:52,827 --> 00:22:55,482 [Mara] But Nancy, I actually, I have to side with Derrick on this one. 526 00:22:55,517 --> 00:22:58,551 Because when you look at these videos, something ain't right. 527 00:22:58,586 --> 00:23:00,275 Yeah, he's drunk. 528 00:23:00,310 --> 00:23:03,241 It looks more than drunk or high. 529 00:23:03,275 --> 00:23:05,793 This person, and I am no therapist, I'm not trained 530 00:23:05,827 --> 00:23:08,931 in psychology, but this person seems maniacal. 531 00:23:08,965 --> 00:23:11,413 Even in the videos of him so-called partying 532 00:23:11,448 --> 00:23:13,655 without a care, you can see that he's so off 533 00:23:13,689 --> 00:23:15,275 that someone else is moving his limbs 534 00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:16,965 as though he's a puppet. 535 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,793 All of the behavior that we have seen is erratic. 536 00:23:19,827 --> 00:23:22,103 It seems like we have someone who is in the midst of 537 00:23:22,137 --> 00:23:24,034 a mental health crisis. 538 00:23:24,068 --> 00:23:27,103 -That is certainly what it looks like. -Can I ask you a question? 539 00:23:27,137 --> 00:23:29,586 So, if he's in the middle of a mental health crisis, 540 00:23:29,620 --> 00:23:34,068 how did he get a ticket, drive himself to the airport 541 00:23:34,103 --> 00:23:36,620 or get a ride, find his location, 542 00:23:36,655 --> 00:23:40,931 the right gate, get on the plane, travel to Mexico, 543 00:23:40,965 --> 00:23:44,827 order drinks, take pictures of himself drinking tequila? 544 00:23:44,862 --> 00:23:46,724 Are you saying that he has a mental defect 545 00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:49,344 that just vanished once he got to Mexico? 546 00:23:49,379 --> 00:23:51,137 No, but I do think that those two things 547 00:23:51,172 --> 00:23:52,551 can coexist at the same time. 548 00:23:52,586 --> 00:23:55,172 That someone can be in the midst of a mental health crisis, 549 00:23:55,206 --> 00:23:57,413 but also be competent enough to carry out 550 00:23:57,448 --> 00:24:00,000 day-to-day functions and know that they need 551 00:24:00,034 --> 00:24:02,655 to flee after they've done something bad. 552 00:24:02,689 --> 00:24:04,068 I think those things can coexist. 553 00:24:04,103 --> 00:24:05,827 I think it's very hard to look at these videos 554 00:24:05,862 --> 00:24:07,758 of this man and not say that there was something 555 00:24:07,793 --> 00:24:09,448 deeply wrong with him at the time that 556 00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:11,379 -those videos were released. -[Derrick] And I think when the CTE comes in, 557 00:24:11,413 --> 00:24:12,689 it's more of a justification. 558 00:24:12,724 --> 00:24:15,241 Like we see in previous cases, there's this paranoia, right? 559 00:24:15,275 --> 00:24:17,034 There's some way where he looks at his mother 560 00:24:17,068 --> 00:24:19,206 and doesn't see her as his mother anymore. 561 00:24:19,241 --> 00:24:21,000 He sees her as someone that's trying to hurt him. 562 00:24:21,034 --> 00:24:22,655 And again, I don't know what was happening. 563 00:24:22,689 --> 00:24:24,034 It could have been financially related. 564 00:24:24,068 --> 00:24:26,000 I think we'll learn more based on digital data 565 00:24:26,034 --> 00:24:27,448 from his cell phone records. 566 00:24:27,482 --> 00:24:29,724 But I wonder if there was a conversation between 567 00:24:29,758 --> 00:24:32,655 Myrtle and Sergio that escalated about money. 568 00:24:32,689 --> 00:24:34,103 And that's where the argument ensued, 569 00:24:34,137 --> 00:24:36,413 and a verbal argument became a physical argument. 570 00:24:36,448 --> 00:24:40,758 You said the words, "Financially related motive." 571 00:24:40,793 --> 00:24:45,586 This guy has made going on $10 million over the course 572 00:24:45,620 --> 00:24:49,793 of his career and he's living with his mother. 573 00:24:49,827 --> 00:24:52,068 So financially related, you mean... 574 00:24:52,103 --> 00:24:53,517 He wanted her to give him some more money, 575 00:24:53,551 --> 00:24:54,724 and she didn't want to. 576 00:24:54,758 --> 00:24:56,000 That kind of financially related? 577 00:24:56,034 --> 00:24:57,827 These guys blow through that money. They really do. 578 00:24:57,862 --> 00:24:59,310 $10 million, they can blow through it pretty quickly. 579 00:24:59,344 --> 00:25:01,275 But this to me, Nancy, is, in my mind, 580 00:25:01,310 --> 00:25:03,827 is further evidence of something not being right with this man. 581 00:25:03,862 --> 00:25:06,758 We've seen the behavior since he left the league. 582 00:25:06,793 --> 00:25:09,034 He's not able, he has not been able to hold a job. 583 00:25:09,068 --> 00:25:10,344 You can look at his LinkedIn. 584 00:25:10,379 --> 00:25:13,103 He posts, you know, jobs every couple months he's moving jobs. 585 00:25:13,137 --> 00:25:14,620 You mentioned all the money that he made. 586 00:25:14,655 --> 00:25:16,827 Where did it go? Why was he living with his mother? 587 00:25:16,862 --> 00:25:19,137 Then you see this erratic behavior on social media that 588 00:25:19,172 --> 00:25:21,586 is so vastly different from what we've seen in the past. 589 00:25:21,620 --> 00:25:24,379 It definitely seems like there's another component here. 590 00:25:24,413 --> 00:25:26,931 [Nancy] Question. When you say something is wrong, 591 00:25:26,965 --> 00:25:29,172 I agree with that, with both of you, 592 00:25:29,206 --> 00:25:30,758 that something is wrong. 593 00:25:30,793 --> 00:25:33,275 But in order to beat a murder charge, 594 00:25:33,310 --> 00:25:35,482 and of course, he is pleading not guilty. 595 00:25:35,517 --> 00:25:37,862 He has not been proven guilty in a court of law. 596 00:25:37,896 --> 00:25:40,103 These are just allegations right now. 597 00:25:40,137 --> 00:25:43,965 "Something is wrong" will not carry the day for the defense. 598 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,896 There has to be a proven mental defect 599 00:25:46,931 --> 00:25:49,379 that rises to the level of insanity. 600 00:25:49,413 --> 00:25:53,586 Insanity in our jurisdiction means you don't know right 601 00:25:53,620 --> 00:25:56,379 from wrong at the time of the incident. 602 00:25:56,413 --> 00:25:59,448 And the fact that he fled and wrapped her body 603 00:25:59,482 --> 00:26:02,241 in a sheet to conceal it suggests to me 604 00:26:02,275 --> 00:26:05,517 that he did know murdering your mother is wrong. 605 00:26:05,551 --> 00:26:07,379 Excuse me, allegedly murdering your mother. 606 00:26:07,413 --> 00:26:09,896 From a legal standpoint, you are 100% correct. 607 00:26:09,931 --> 00:26:11,862 There is a lot of evidence here that I think 608 00:26:11,896 --> 00:26:13,620 is going to make it very hard for the defense. 609 00:26:13,655 --> 00:26:16,655 But from the perspective of trying to understand 610 00:26:16,689 --> 00:26:19,103 what happened here, how could this man with this 611 00:26:19,137 --> 00:26:20,896 long career and this upstanding life 612 00:26:20,931 --> 00:26:25,103 seemingly suddenly snap and allegedly harm his mother 613 00:26:25,137 --> 00:26:26,620 in this way, I think that's what a lot of us 614 00:26:26,655 --> 00:26:27,413 are struggling to understand. 615 00:26:27,896 --> 00:26:29,034 Agree. 616 00:26:29,068 --> 00:26:31,724 I often wonder why, but in the black and white letter 617 00:26:31,758 --> 00:26:36,517 of the law, I'm just trying to figure out, did he do it? 618 00:26:36,551 --> 00:26:39,931 Is he responsible for murdering his mother? 619 00:26:39,965 --> 00:26:43,827 Guys, did Sergio Brown have anything to do 620 00:26:43,862 --> 00:26:47,103 with his mother's death? If so, why? 621 00:26:47,137 --> 00:26:50,586 An expert in sports stars turns felons next. 622 00:27:02,551 --> 00:27:07,137 35-year-old former NFL star Sergio Brown now charged with 623 00:27:07,172 --> 00:27:12,000 murder one and concealment of a dead body, his own mother's. 624 00:27:12,034 --> 00:27:14,034 Sergio Brown partying in Mexico 625 00:27:14,068 --> 00:27:17,344 with her body found near a creek in Maywood, Illinois, 626 00:27:17,379 --> 00:27:19,689 where the two lived together. 627 00:27:19,724 --> 00:27:21,655 Joining us right now, Dan Lust, 628 00:27:21,689 --> 00:27:25,827 high-profile sports attorney, expert at sports stars in trouble. 629 00:27:25,862 --> 00:27:30,310 Dan, what do we know about Sergio Brown? 630 00:27:30,344 --> 00:27:32,758 I think it's important to go back in the history of Sergio Brown. 631 00:27:32,793 --> 00:27:34,551 Played for four teams over seven years, 632 00:27:34,586 --> 00:27:37,034 made in the vicinity of $7 million in his career. 633 00:27:37,068 --> 00:27:39,620 But for all intents and purposes, wasn't a pro bowler, 634 00:27:39,655 --> 00:27:41,965 wasn't an all-star, never won the Super Bowl, right? 635 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,000 This was a guy that was, we'll say, a career special teamer. 636 00:27:45,034 --> 00:27:46,724 He started, I think, about 10% of the games 637 00:27:46,758 --> 00:27:49,551 he played over seven years. So not a household name. 638 00:27:49,586 --> 00:27:50,758 He did play with Tom Brady. 639 00:27:50,793 --> 00:27:52,862 He did play with Pat McAfee, played with Andrew Luck. 640 00:27:52,896 --> 00:27:54,413 But not someone that we'll ever know about 641 00:27:54,448 --> 00:27:56,413 outside of this particular story. 642 00:27:56,448 --> 00:27:57,758 A guy that played for Notre Dame 643 00:27:57,793 --> 00:27:59,551 and worked his way up through seven... 644 00:27:59,586 --> 00:28:01,758 pretty successful careers as a special teamer, 645 00:28:01,793 --> 00:28:05,000 but again, a relatively unmemorable career 646 00:28:05,034 --> 00:28:07,034 other than for this incident, but I think that's important here. 647 00:28:07,068 --> 00:28:09,862 So he's played for multiple NFL teams. 648 00:28:09,896 --> 00:28:12,724 He's amassed close to $8 million 649 00:28:12,758 --> 00:28:14,275 over the span of his career. 650 00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:17,620 He's a special teamer, a safety... 651 00:28:17,655 --> 00:28:19,689 I don't know, that's pretty impressive to me. 652 00:28:19,724 --> 00:28:23,344 And let me ask you this, why is it that people 653 00:28:23,379 --> 00:28:25,310 that seemingly have everything, 654 00:28:25,344 --> 00:28:27,965 specifically in your arena, sports stars, 655 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,931 they've got fame, they've got money, 656 00:28:30,965 --> 00:28:34,482 they have access to mansions, whatever they want, 657 00:28:34,517 --> 00:28:37,000 and they end up behind bars. 658 00:28:37,034 --> 00:28:41,000 You're the specialist and sports stars turn felons, why? 659 00:28:41,758 --> 00:28:42,896 Yeah, it's tough. 660 00:28:42,931 --> 00:28:44,931 I mean, those type of athletes, celebrities, 661 00:28:44,965 --> 00:28:47,172 musicians that grow up at a young age with that 662 00:28:47,206 --> 00:28:49,000 level of fame maybe aren't as accustomed 663 00:28:49,034 --> 00:28:51,034 to just daily life as most people, right? 664 00:28:51,068 --> 00:28:53,517 So from the age of about 19, he was playing for Notre Dame, 665 00:28:53,551 --> 00:28:55,275 one of the top universities in the country. 666 00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:59,965 From ages 18 to about 29, he was basically a celebrity. 667 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,241 He got kind of whatever he wanted. 668 00:29:01,275 --> 00:29:02,413 He did play for the Patriots, 669 00:29:02,448 --> 00:29:04,206 the Colts, the Bills, the Jags. 670 00:29:04,241 --> 00:29:05,310 It's a fair question. 671 00:29:05,344 --> 00:29:07,034 And I think, you know, to this question about 672 00:29:07,068 --> 00:29:08,206 $8 million, right? 673 00:29:08,241 --> 00:29:09,448 That's $8 million pre-tax. 674 00:29:09,482 --> 00:29:11,551 That's not $8 million after the lawyers, after the agents, 675 00:29:11,586 --> 00:29:14,275 [Nancy] You are parsing words. 676 00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:19,413 -$8 million versus $5 million, it still ends in million. -That's there. I take it. 677 00:29:19,448 --> 00:29:21,965 In this case in particular, there are some 678 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,931 who are wondering if his career in the NFL 679 00:29:24,965 --> 00:29:28,551 is perhaps linked to this crime due to CTE. 680 00:29:28,586 --> 00:29:30,862 Is it possible that if these allegations are true 681 00:29:30,896 --> 00:29:33,310 that his career in the NFL had something to do 682 00:29:33,344 --> 00:29:34,896 with this erratic behavior? 683 00:29:34,931 --> 00:29:37,000 I think it's possible. I mean, he retired. 684 00:29:37,034 --> 00:29:38,586 He signed a three-year contract with the Jags, 685 00:29:38,620 --> 00:29:40,172 only played one year before he was released. 686 00:29:40,206 --> 00:29:42,137 He said it was because of injury, but we never 687 00:29:42,172 --> 00:29:43,896 really know that question. 688 00:29:43,931 --> 00:29:45,586 I think there's been studies done when hundreds 689 00:29:45,620 --> 00:29:47,000 of brains have been looked at. 690 00:29:47,034 --> 00:29:49,793 Families have donated their deceased ones' brains 691 00:29:49,827 --> 00:29:52,482 to be analyzed for CTE, and some studies 692 00:29:52,517 --> 00:29:54,103 have showed about 90 percent of brains. 693 00:29:54,137 --> 00:29:56,896 For every ten brains, nine of them have CTE. 694 00:29:56,931 --> 00:29:58,620 So that goes to say, it's not to say that for every 695 00:29:58,655 --> 00:30:00,758 ten football players, nine have CTE, 696 00:30:00,793 --> 00:30:04,758 but if you think one has CTE, and you submit their brain, 697 00:30:04,793 --> 00:30:07,862 there are studies that show that 90% of those brains have CTE. 698 00:30:07,896 --> 00:30:10,172 So I think that's a fair question, that CTE 699 00:30:10,206 --> 00:30:12,103 could be linked to these kind of troubling events. 700 00:30:12,137 --> 00:30:13,586 [Mara] But they only know for certain after death. 701 00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:15,379 After death. You cannot know at the present time. 702 00:30:15,413 --> 00:30:17,620 You know, with, with this case, we've seen a lot of comparisons 703 00:30:17,655 --> 00:30:19,793 to Aaron Hernandez, right? And with Aaron Hernandez, 704 00:30:19,827 --> 00:30:21,862 what we know especially you. Superstars, 705 00:30:21,896 --> 00:30:23,551 a lot of things get swept under the rug. 706 00:30:23,586 --> 00:30:25,034 Right? If they have things in their history 707 00:30:25,068 --> 00:30:26,758 that would prevent them from playing football 708 00:30:26,793 --> 00:30:28,172 or baseball, whatever it might be. 709 00:30:28,206 --> 00:30:30,724 They kind of disappear. We've seen that with Aaron Hernandez, 710 00:30:30,758 --> 00:30:33,413 but as you mentioned, Sergio was not a superstar. 711 00:30:33,448 --> 00:30:35,241 And there doesn't appear to be anything in his past 712 00:30:35,275 --> 00:30:36,965 that would indicate he was this troubled kid 713 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,689 throughout his college career and in the NFL, 714 00:30:38,724 --> 00:30:40,275 because he wouldn't have been playing if he was. 715 00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:42,724 -Correct. -Do you think this is a more classic case 716 00:30:42,758 --> 00:30:44,551 of someone who played football, 717 00:30:44,586 --> 00:30:46,862 did the right things, but yet later in life, 718 00:30:46,896 --> 00:30:48,344 CTE finally caught up to him? 719 00:30:48,379 --> 00:30:49,379 That's probably right. 720 00:30:49,413 --> 00:30:51,172 And there is kind of an actual direct link 721 00:30:51,206 --> 00:30:52,724 between Aaron Hernandez and Sergio Brown. 722 00:30:52,758 --> 00:30:55,344 They both were rookies on the 2010 New England Patriots class. 723 00:30:55,379 --> 00:30:57,551 He had two, we'll say, accused murderers 724 00:30:57,586 --> 00:30:59,275 for the time being, but two people 725 00:30:59,310 --> 00:31:01,517 in the same rookie draft class with Rob Gronkowski. 726 00:31:01,551 --> 00:31:03,448 -Yeah. -So quite the rookie draft class with the Patriots. 727 00:31:03,482 --> 00:31:05,172 So I do think that's possible. 728 00:31:05,206 --> 00:31:07,172 Again, he didn't play for his first two years at Notre Dame. 729 00:31:07,206 --> 00:31:09,724 So no one had heard of him. He didn't play in college. 730 00:31:09,758 --> 00:31:11,482 Then his last two years, he got some playing time, 731 00:31:11,517 --> 00:31:12,551 but was not a star recruit. 732 00:31:12,586 --> 00:31:14,620 Aaron Hernandez, star recruit, 733 00:31:14,655 --> 00:31:16,482 -Yeah. -and they swept that under the rug. 734 00:31:16,517 --> 00:31:17,758 A little bit of a different situation. 735 00:31:17,793 --> 00:31:18,931 I have a question for you. 736 00:31:18,965 --> 00:31:21,586 As much as I would love to go over and over and over 737 00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:24,758 his sports history, can we talk about the murder? 738 00:31:24,793 --> 00:31:28,172 He's used to being a safety and sacking 739 00:31:28,206 --> 00:31:29,724 huge football players. 740 00:31:29,758 --> 00:31:32,241 This is a very frail 73-year-old mother 741 00:31:32,275 --> 00:31:35,344 of all people, his own mother. 742 00:31:35,379 --> 00:31:38,551 You three are speculating that CTE, 743 00:31:38,586 --> 00:31:42,068 a concussion-related injury, may have had something 744 00:31:42,103 --> 00:31:44,931 to do with him allegedly murdering 745 00:31:44,965 --> 00:31:47,172 Miss Myrtle, his mother. 746 00:31:47,206 --> 00:31:50,206 Was he ever treated for CTE? 747 00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:51,344 Yes, no. Was he? 748 00:31:51,379 --> 00:31:53,103 -I don't think so. I don't believe so. -Okay. 749 00:31:53,137 --> 00:31:57,310 Did he ever exhibit problems with CTE in the past 750 00:31:57,344 --> 00:31:58,275 that you know of? 751 00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:59,793 Not that I'm aware of, no. 752 00:31:59,827 --> 00:32:02,241 Do you know the injury that threw him out of 753 00:32:02,275 --> 00:32:04,103 the roster with the Jags? 754 00:32:04,137 --> 00:32:06,310 -It was not CTE, was it? -Yeah, it was not a head injury. 755 00:32:06,344 --> 00:32:07,931 I believe it was an Achilles if it wasn't. 756 00:32:07,965 --> 00:32:10,551 Yes, as a matter of fact, it was Achilles injury. 757 00:32:10,586 --> 00:32:12,758 So, why are we talking about 758 00:32:12,793 --> 00:32:16,724 the possibility his judgment was clouded with CTE 759 00:32:16,758 --> 00:32:19,172 if he had never been diagnosed, never treated, 760 00:32:19,206 --> 00:32:22,344 showed no signs of it, and in fact his injury 761 00:32:22,379 --> 00:32:24,448 was an Achilles injury, which is horrible, 762 00:32:24,482 --> 00:32:26,344 but it doesn't lead to murder. 763 00:32:26,379 --> 00:32:28,344 I think what we're trying to do here is understand 764 00:32:28,379 --> 00:32:29,586 the why, right? 765 00:32:29,620 --> 00:32:31,241 The motive. What's the reason behind it? 766 00:32:31,275 --> 00:32:32,827 And with someone who may have something 767 00:32:32,862 --> 00:32:34,931 underlying that we haven't diagnosed yet, 768 00:32:34,965 --> 00:32:36,896 it could be something that we don't really understand. 769 00:32:36,931 --> 00:32:38,379 And CTE is so new. 770 00:32:38,413 --> 00:32:40,758 I think, as an investigator, I want to know more about it. 771 00:32:40,793 --> 00:32:43,034 Because what we're finding is, now recently, 772 00:32:43,068 --> 00:32:45,551 there's a lot of changes in protocol within the NFL. 773 00:32:45,586 --> 00:32:47,137 But there's still going to be a lot of players 774 00:32:47,172 --> 00:32:49,551 who weren't under those protocols who we're now seeing 775 00:32:49,586 --> 00:32:51,206 later in life the residual effects. 776 00:32:51,241 --> 00:32:52,482 And I want to understand that. 777 00:32:52,517 --> 00:32:54,275 So maybe what we can do in the future is prevent it 778 00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:55,827 -from happening to other people. -I agree. 779 00:32:55,862 --> 00:32:57,448 I want to understand it, too. 780 00:32:57,482 --> 00:33:00,793 But what I really want, you're a practicing lawyer. 781 00:33:00,827 --> 00:33:06,275 I want justice for Miss Myrtle, 73 years old, 782 00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:09,482 supporting her former NFL star son. 783 00:33:09,517 --> 00:33:12,793 And then he's found with her credit cards, 784 00:33:12,827 --> 00:33:15,896 her iPad, all of her stuff. 785 00:33:15,931 --> 00:33:18,965 And she was murdered brutally. Look at her. 786 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,655 This little lady had her neck snapped. 787 00:33:21,689 --> 00:33:24,000 And all of her clothes taken off her, 788 00:33:24,034 --> 00:33:26,551 I believe, because they were bloody. 789 00:33:26,586 --> 00:33:30,103 And that is more evidence of premeditation 790 00:33:30,137 --> 00:33:32,965 and knowing full well what you're doing. 791 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,965 They didn't just look at the bathroom for evidence. 792 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,448 They looked down the drain... 793 00:33:38,482 --> 00:33:41,413 where he apparently was getting rid of evidence. 794 00:33:41,448 --> 00:33:43,310 That is not crazy. 795 00:33:43,344 --> 00:33:45,620 But wouldn't that be after the fact, though, not premeditation? 796 00:33:45,655 --> 00:33:48,413 -We know that-- We know-- -It's contemporaneous with the murder. 797 00:33:48,448 --> 00:33:50,551 We know that he burned some clothes, allegedly. 798 00:33:50,586 --> 00:33:52,206 They have it on the ring camera where you see that. 799 00:33:52,241 --> 00:33:54,620 Could it be a situation where he loses control 800 00:33:54,655 --> 00:33:56,413 out of anger, something happens, 801 00:33:56,448 --> 00:33:58,172 and then after the fact, he realizes, 802 00:33:58,206 --> 00:34:01,000 "Oh my God, what did I do?" Now he has to respond. 803 00:34:01,034 --> 00:34:02,275 Now there's things he has to do to clear. 804 00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:04,793 -From the lawyer. -Yeah, I was gonna say in, in the moment. 805 00:34:04,827 --> 00:34:06,896 We're talking about CT and I think this is really relevant 806 00:34:06,931 --> 00:34:08,034 outside of his sports background. 807 00:34:08,068 --> 00:34:09,620 He was a content creator. 808 00:34:09,655 --> 00:34:11,275 He was posting videos online 809 00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:13,862 and from about 2019 to the present. He's off. 810 00:34:13,896 --> 00:34:15,585 He's off the grid. He's not on social media. 811 00:34:15,620 --> 00:34:16,724 We don't hear anything about him. 812 00:34:16,757 --> 00:34:19,000 So it's not just a let's pretend he has CTE, 813 00:34:19,034 --> 00:34:20,793 I think there is something that changed with him 814 00:34:20,827 --> 00:34:21,965 over the last couple years. 815 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,965 So to Derrick's point, is it possible? 816 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,344 There was some kind of heated interaction 817 00:34:25,379 --> 00:34:27,241 and then he had some lucid moment thereafter, 818 00:34:27,275 --> 00:34:28,516 I'm not sure 'cause the videos that we see 819 00:34:28,551 --> 00:34:30,137 of him in Mexico are... 820 00:34:30,172 --> 00:34:31,585 I'm not seeing someone that's so lucid. 821 00:34:31,620 --> 00:34:33,206 Maybe it's alcohol, but then on the plane, 822 00:34:33,241 --> 00:34:35,034 can we really blame the alcohol at that point? 823 00:34:35,068 --> 00:34:37,757 So Nancy, to your point, maybe it's some kind of 824 00:34:37,793 --> 00:34:40,068 conjured up image he's creating in anticipation of 825 00:34:40,103 --> 00:34:41,482 some type of insanity defense. 826 00:34:41,516 --> 00:34:43,585 But there is some, really, for the last four years, 827 00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:44,793 he's been off the grid. 828 00:34:44,827 --> 00:34:46,793 He worked for Google, digital account manager, 829 00:34:46,827 --> 00:34:50,103 had graduated from Miami with an MBA post his playing career. 830 00:34:50,137 --> 00:34:52,757 So there was some levels of him being out there. 831 00:34:52,793 --> 00:34:54,516 So this is fairly new. 832 00:34:54,551 --> 00:34:55,655 This is the first time we've seen him 833 00:34:55,688 --> 00:34:56,862 in a number of years at this point. 834 00:34:56,896 --> 00:35:00,000 Did you guys ever think his behavior in Mexico 835 00:35:00,034 --> 00:35:02,344 had something to do with that empty bottle of tequila 836 00:35:02,379 --> 00:35:04,689 sitting in front of him? Just a thought. 837 00:35:04,724 --> 00:35:07,172 When we come back, a young wife found dead, 838 00:35:07,206 --> 00:35:09,896 her husband armed and on the run. 839 00:35:09,931 --> 00:35:11,103 That's next. 840 00:35:11,137 --> 00:35:12,724 [music playing] 841 00:35:17,068 --> 00:35:18,517 We did find a vehicle. 842 00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:20,413 The vehicle was located by a hunter. 843 00:35:20,448 --> 00:35:22,931 So we're asking anyone with trail cams, 844 00:35:22,965 --> 00:35:25,931 any hunters, any people with video cameras 845 00:35:25,965 --> 00:35:26,724 at their houses, 846 00:35:26,758 --> 00:35:29,482 please give it to the police. 847 00:35:29,517 --> 00:35:30,655 I'm going to have the number in a second, 848 00:35:30,689 --> 00:35:32,655 the Gardner police or the state police. 849 00:35:32,689 --> 00:35:34,758 It's incredible how often that these tips 850 00:35:34,793 --> 00:35:38,448 help us solve crimes, find people. 851 00:35:38,482 --> 00:35:40,275 So we're asking the public for all their help. 852 00:35:41,482 --> 00:35:43,931 You are hearing the Worcester Mass District Attorney 853 00:35:43,965 --> 00:35:47,586 asking for your help finding Aaron Pennington. 854 00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:50,000 As of this taping, he's still missing. 855 00:35:50,034 --> 00:35:52,448 No one has seen him since October '22, 856 00:35:52,482 --> 00:35:56,482 the same day his wife, Breanne Pennington, found dead 857 00:35:56,517 --> 00:35:58,965 with a shotgun wound to the face. 858 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,137 [female reporter] Did Mr. Pennington has a military background. 859 00:36:01,172 --> 00:36:03,758 Do you think he has the skill set to survive in the woods? 860 00:36:03,793 --> 00:36:05,965 Well, you know, that's part of the training. 861 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,551 Those are the questions that the state police 862 00:36:07,586 --> 00:36:10,172 have been asking, and they're finding out exactly what training 863 00:36:10,206 --> 00:36:11,517 he would have had, wouldn't have had. 864 00:36:11,551 --> 00:36:13,379 Yes, that is part of the equation. 865 00:36:13,413 --> 00:36:14,862 We're going out there in numbers, 866 00:36:14,896 --> 00:36:16,344 and we ask, please, no one in the public 867 00:36:16,379 --> 00:36:18,275 go out and try and look for this guy. 868 00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:20,620 If you run into the guy, call the guy in the police, 869 00:36:20,655 --> 00:36:22,448 call the state police, call the police department, 870 00:36:22,482 --> 00:36:24,310 and just back off from anything that you might see, 871 00:36:24,344 --> 00:36:26,931 but provide us with the information that you might get. 872 00:36:26,965 --> 00:36:29,448 Mara, Derrick, what else do we know? 873 00:36:29,482 --> 00:36:31,758 Well, I think some of the most compelling information 874 00:36:31,793 --> 00:36:33,413 that we have is from the arrest warrant 875 00:36:33,448 --> 00:36:36,241 and the reason that police believe that he's responsible 876 00:36:36,275 --> 00:36:37,896 for Breanne's death, aside from the fact 877 00:36:37,931 --> 00:36:39,551 that he has disappeared. 878 00:36:39,586 --> 00:36:41,206 And in the arrest warrant, they say that 879 00:36:41,241 --> 00:36:43,551 they found a note written on his phone 880 00:36:43,586 --> 00:36:45,379 that he wrote the night before she was killed. 881 00:36:45,413 --> 00:36:46,965 And if this is not damning evidence, 882 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,103 I don't know what is. 883 00:36:48,137 --> 00:36:51,206 The note said, quote, "Don't say anything. Be quiet. 884 00:36:51,241 --> 00:36:53,586 If she wakes up, just say you're getting nasal spray. 885 00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:55,310 Get on side of bed... 886 00:36:55,344 --> 00:36:59,551 very close proximity to head, put hole in her head." 887 00:36:59,586 --> 00:37:01,034 -Yeah. -That information, of course, 888 00:37:01,068 --> 00:37:03,310 led to the arrest warrant and is why police have launched this manhunt. 889 00:37:03,344 --> 00:37:04,793 Yeah, so there's some premeditation there, 890 00:37:04,827 --> 00:37:06,482 and to me, it sounds like we might be dealing with 891 00:37:06,517 --> 00:37:08,448 another situation, not exact, thank God, 892 00:37:08,482 --> 00:37:10,344 Robert Card, where we have a situation. 893 00:37:10,379 --> 00:37:12,724 And by the way, thoughts are with everyone in Lewiston, Maine. 894 00:37:12,758 --> 00:37:14,206 I think you have a situation where he felt like 895 00:37:14,241 --> 00:37:15,689 the relationship was ending. 896 00:37:15,724 --> 00:37:17,000 If he couldn't have her, nobody could. 897 00:37:17,034 --> 00:37:18,689 There's some other Facebook posts that indicate 898 00:37:18,724 --> 00:37:20,275 that's some of the thoughts he was having. 899 00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:21,689 I think we may be in a situation 900 00:37:21,724 --> 00:37:24,206 where police are going to find him and he's going to be deceased 901 00:37:24,241 --> 00:37:26,103 from a self-inflicted wound. 902 00:37:26,137 --> 00:37:29,034 Right now, police are on the search for 903 00:37:29,068 --> 00:37:31,896 Aaron Pennington, age 33. 904 00:37:31,931 --> 00:37:36,862 He is a white male, 6'2", blonde, 175 pounds. 905 00:37:36,896 --> 00:37:39,689 Now, his car was found deep in the woods. 906 00:37:39,724 --> 00:37:43,724 What we've learned from doorbell and surveillance footage 907 00:37:43,758 --> 00:37:47,000 is that he drives away from the home. 908 00:37:47,034 --> 00:37:49,724 You see his four children... 909 00:37:49,758 --> 00:37:53,448 leaving the home, going to a neighbor's home, 910 00:37:53,482 --> 00:37:55,103 asking for help. 911 00:37:55,137 --> 00:37:58,827 They tell the neighbor, Mommy is lying down in 912 00:37:58,862 --> 00:38:02,827 the bedroom crying, and they can't find Dad. 913 00:38:02,862 --> 00:38:05,896 She wasn't lying in the bedroom crying. 914 00:38:05,931 --> 00:38:08,793 She was dead in the master bedroom 915 00:38:08,827 --> 00:38:11,103 from a gunshot wound to the face. 916 00:38:11,137 --> 00:38:12,482 In the home, 917 00:38:12,517 --> 00:38:16,379 three cartridges were found from a shotgun. 918 00:38:16,413 --> 00:38:19,206 Hence the warning, armed and dangerous. 919 00:38:19,241 --> 00:38:22,931 We also know Pennington had special clearance 920 00:38:22,965 --> 00:38:27,310 within the U.S. Air Force, and according to sources, 921 00:38:27,344 --> 00:38:30,344 worked on special ops. 922 00:38:30,379 --> 00:38:33,103 We know that he had active secret clearance, 923 00:38:33,137 --> 00:38:38,206 and that's a quote, an engineer with an illegally owned firearm. 924 00:38:38,482 --> 00:38:39,448 Mara? 925 00:38:39,482 --> 00:38:41,206 Yeah, but the part of that story, Nancy, 926 00:38:41,241 --> 00:38:45,034 that really breaks my heart is the children, ages two, five, seven, 927 00:38:45,068 --> 00:38:48,241 and nine, leaving their house on foot in the morning, 928 00:38:48,275 --> 00:38:50,931 going to a neighbor's house and asking for help. 929 00:38:50,965 --> 00:38:53,206 You have to think that they heard the gunshot, 930 00:38:53,241 --> 00:38:55,413 and at least the older ones, the seven and the nine, 931 00:38:55,448 --> 00:38:58,551 I have the seven-year-old, that they would have been aware that 932 00:38:58,586 --> 00:39:01,241 something very bad happened and very scared, 933 00:39:01,275 --> 00:39:03,241 and that's why they went to the neighbor's house for help. 934 00:39:03,275 --> 00:39:04,724 Because if they just thought Mommy was crying, 935 00:39:04,758 --> 00:39:07,241 that's not great, but not cause to leave your house 936 00:39:07,275 --> 00:39:09,413 and go to the neighbor and say, "Please call the police." 937 00:39:09,448 --> 00:39:11,068 And that's what's really sad here, is that 938 00:39:11,103 --> 00:39:13,413 now those kids don't have any parents. 939 00:39:13,448 --> 00:39:17,551 And you see him pulling out and leaving the children alone 940 00:39:17,586 --> 00:39:19,689 with their mother's dead body, 941 00:39:19,724 --> 00:39:24,034 lying with a shotgun wound to the face, 942 00:39:24,068 --> 00:39:28,137 just like in that "Note to self," he wrote to himself. 943 00:39:28,172 --> 00:39:30,310 Yeah, and Nancy, from what you said earlier, I know that 944 00:39:30,344 --> 00:39:33,241 I said that he more than likely has killed himself. 945 00:39:33,275 --> 00:39:35,448 Again, we don't know, but police can't approach it that way. 946 00:39:35,482 --> 00:39:37,655 So right now, they're setting up a grid 947 00:39:37,689 --> 00:39:39,655 around the area where the BMW was found. 948 00:39:39,689 --> 00:39:41,413 You have a multi-jurisdictional operation 949 00:39:41,448 --> 00:39:43,758 with a lot of moving parts, and they're treating this 950 00:39:43,793 --> 00:39:45,413 as a still alive, armed, and dangerous. 951 00:39:45,448 --> 00:39:47,551 Because think about it, as a law enforcement officer, 952 00:39:47,586 --> 00:39:49,206 you're going into these woods, 953 00:39:49,241 --> 00:39:51,655 and the perpetrator has the tactical advantage. 954 00:39:51,689 --> 00:39:53,275 He can see and hear you coming. 955 00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:55,689 You don't know where he is, so it's a really dangerous situation, 956 00:39:55,724 --> 00:39:57,448 and I hope they find him sooner than later, 957 00:39:57,482 --> 00:40:00,172 because until they find him, he's a danger to the community. 958 00:40:00,206 --> 00:40:02,620 But to your point, Derrick, those who knew the family said 959 00:40:02,655 --> 00:40:04,793 that in the past he had threatened suicide, 960 00:40:04,827 --> 00:40:07,655 and that also the alleged motive here, if in fact 961 00:40:07,689 --> 00:40:09,000 he is responsible for this murder, 962 00:40:09,034 --> 00:40:11,034 is that she was threatening to leave, 963 00:40:11,068 --> 00:40:12,586 -Yeah. -that she was going to leave, she was going to take 964 00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:13,827 the children with her. 965 00:40:13,862 --> 00:40:15,758 So I think there's a very good possibility that you're right, 966 00:40:15,793 --> 00:40:17,724 that he left the house and went into the woods to take them. 967 00:40:17,758 --> 00:40:19,379 [Nancy] And, clearly, she was right. 968 00:40:19,413 --> 00:40:22,137 What had she been enduring in the years 969 00:40:22,172 --> 00:40:24,724 leading up to this, giving birth to the four children, 970 00:40:24,758 --> 00:40:28,896 trying to raise them with a dad behaving like this? 971 00:40:28,931 --> 00:40:33,551 No thought at all to what this would do to his own children. 972 00:40:33,586 --> 00:40:36,931 As of this taping, Aaron Pennington's still missing. 973 00:40:36,965 --> 00:40:40,000 If you have info on Aaron Pennington's whereabouts, 974 00:40:40,034 --> 00:40:41,206 call the FBI. 975 00:40:41,241 --> 00:40:44,724 1-800-CALL-FBI. Repeat. 976 00:40:44,758 --> 00:40:48,655 1-800-CALL-FBI. 977 00:40:48,689 --> 00:40:50,793 Every week, we bring you the breaking crime 978 00:40:50,827 --> 00:40:53,724 and justice news from across our great country. 979 00:40:53,758 --> 00:40:55,379 In the coming weeks, we talk about 980 00:40:55,413 --> 00:40:57,931 the biggest bombshells on some of the biggest crime stories 981 00:40:57,965 --> 00:41:00,034 from the headlines, and some cases 982 00:41:00,068 --> 00:41:02,068 you may never have heard of. 983 00:41:02,103 --> 00:41:05,275 On behalf of Mara and Derrick, we'll see you next week. 984 00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:06,034 Good night, friend. 985 00:41:07,551 --> 00:41:09,586 [theme music playing] 81345

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