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[narrator] Tonight, onCrimefeed,

a special report,

the Natalee Holloway mystery solved.

The search for Natalee Holloway's killer is finally over.

Juran van der Sloot, main suspect all along,

admits he did it, after two decades of deceit.

How? The way many speculate. Cold blooded and brutal,

on a beach in Aruba.

As far as I'm concerned, it's over.

It's over.

[narrator] All the details on thisCrimefeed,

special report with Nancy Grace.

Private investigator, Derrick Levasseur,

and investigative reporter, Mara S. Campo.

Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace.

This is Crimefeed.

I wanna thank you for being with us.

She goes missing on her high-school senior trip to Aruba.

And tonight, neither she nor her body

have ever been found.

But in a stunning twist,

a judge's son admits,

"I killed Natalee."

Mara, what's the latest?

Nancy, Joran van der Sloot was not on trial

for Natalee Holloway's murder.

A judge in Alabama sentenced him to 20 years

for trying to swindle money from Natalee's mother, Beth,

for what turned out to be bogus information on her daughter's whereabouts.

A condition of that plea deal

was that he finally tell the truth

on this nearly 20-year-old case.

In May 2005,

high-school senior, Natalee Holloway was in Aruba,

with more than 100 of her fellow classmates,

celebrating their graduation.

In the early hours of May 30th,

Natalee left a bar with Dutch national, Joran van der Sloot

and two Surinamese brothers, named Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

The 18 year old was supposed to be flying back to Alabama later that day.

But she was never seen or heard from again.

The three men were arrested in her disappearance two weeks later.

Van der Sloot's father, Paul, and a fifth man were also detained.

But they were all released due to a lack of evidence.

It is now that I ask the world to help me.

[Mara] For years, Natalee's parents searched for leads.

And their daughter's story went viral all over the world.

Five years to the very day after Natalee vanished,

Van der Sloot killed 21 year old Stephany Flores

in a hotel in Lima, Peru.

She allegedly saw a message,

tying him to Natalee's murder.

And he beat her and smothered her to death.

In 2012, Van der Sloot pleaded guilty to that murder.

And was sentenced to 28 years in prison.

Those weren't his only legal troubles.

A federal grand jury in Alabama indicted Van der Sloot

for trying to extort Natalee's mother, Beth.

She paid an initial $25,000 of a quarter million dollars

for information on her daughter's death.

Joran told her attorney that Natalee's remains

were buried under the foundation of a house.

But that was a lie.

That brings us to this summer.

When Peru extradited Van der Sloot to the U.S.

He had initially pleaded not guilty in the case.

But just last week, a deal.

Van der Sloot would receive a 20 year sentence

on the condition he revealed what actually happened

to Natalee, all those years ago.

This is part of his confession.

[Joran] We start kissing each other.

And I start feeling her up again.

And she tells me, no.

I insist. I keep feeling her up either way.

She ends up kneeing me in the crotch.

I get up on the beach and I kick her extremely hard in the face.

She's laying down unconscious, possibly even dead.

I see right next to her,

there's a huge cinder block.

I take this and I smash her head in with it completely.

I've gotta tell you something.

In that courtroom, as I watched Beth Holloway,

and she looked over at Joran van der Sloot.

And she turned around and said to him,

"You look like hell.

I don't think you're gonna make it."

And he did, Mara. He did, Derrick.

He looked like a bum that had been sleeping

out on a park bench for the last ten years.

He was dissipated.

All that liquor, and drugs, and women

behind bars in Peru, Mara.

You can only imagine what this moment means for Beth Holloway.

Because keep this in mind,

this investigation has lasted as long as Natalee's entire life.

This is been 18 years,

that she has been waiting for this moment, to get some answers.

So finally to be able to be face to face with him

and to feel that she got some answers.

Now a lot of people are still questioning

how much of that confession is true.

Now he did pass a polygraph test.

So, we have to assume that some of it is true.

But this man is a pathological liar.

His story has changed countless times, over the last 18 years.

Yeah, it's bittersweet. I'm happy for Beth and David and Matt.

But also as an investigator, it's disappointing.

Because, we had this guy in 2005.

And Aruban authorities didn't allow the FBI to come in and help.

So we have a future death of Stephany Flores in 2010.

That could have been prevented.

And it also makes me wonder,

how many other victims are there.

How many other times could we have prevented this,

if they took him off the streets in 2005?

[Nancy] You're absolutely right.

It's really important that we hear

Joran van der Sloot's confession, in his own words.

But I wanna warn you, it's very disturbing.

[Joran] I smashed her head in, with it completely.

Even though it's dark, I can see her face is collapsed in.

I'm scared. I don't know what to do.

And I, um...[clears throat] I decide to...

to take her and...

put her into the ocean.

So...

I grab her and I...

I half... I half-pull and half-walk with her into the ocean.

Into the sea. After that I walk home.

'Kay. Right there, that's a lie.

Uh, we have looked and looked and examined in person,

where he says he murdered Natalee.

There at the fishermen's huts.

And there is now way,

that he walked out into the ocean, with her body.

What did he say? Oh, I guess this is deep enough.

I'll just leave her here.

There's no way she would not have washed ashore, Mara.

Yeah, I mean there are questions about that.

How did the body not wash ashore?

How was the crime scene not found?

And, Derrick, I know this is something, that you've made excellent points on, is,

how much blood may have been left behind?

And for me as a layperson,

I'm asking you as an investigator.

-We're talking about a crime scene that is a public beach. -[Derrick] Mmm-hmm.

How much would that have complicated the investigation?

And, how much obvious evidence would have been left behind,

on a public beach, if what he's saying is true?

[Derrick] That's exactly right. We had talked about this.

First off, contamination.

As a crime scene investigator,

you wanna try to prevent people

from entering the crime scene.

And this being a public area,

that could have posed some issues.

But, back to what you said.

When he describes what he did to Natalee,

and you think about it from that perspective,

there would have been a lot of blood.

And this happened at night.

And at no point did he say that he cleaned up the crime scene...

-[Nancy] Right. -...after the fact.

So you think about it from that perspective.

He dragged her body to the water.

How much blood would have been left behind?

And one more thing.

This is still an open investigation,

according to Aruban authorities.

Did anybody make any report of this?

Was there blood found on the beach the next morning that they have--

-[Nancy] I can answer that for you. -Oh, please.

No.

No one made a report.

And no one followed up on any of the evidence.

As a matter of fact,

Beth Holloway, Ginger Stricklin, Sheryl McCollum, and I

went to Aruba a few months ago,

trying to dig up new leads.

And actually, there are some new leads.

But we went to the fishermen's hut area,

there on the beach together,

with Natalee's mother.

And looked out at the water.

Um, I recall there were cinder blocks there.

But I find his story to be very farfetched.

That is one of the shots,

when we were in Aruba.

Which I'll tell you about later.

But the theory that there was gonna be blood

on a beach in Aruba, no.

As a matter of fact,

Natalee's mother flew down immediately

when she was reported missing.

And started searching, including there.

She actually spoke to Joran van der Sloot.

And cannot tell you that he described

Natalee's underwear to her.

Well, Nancy, but that-- You're speaking to the part of the confession

that I actually do believe.

Is that he sexually assaulted her

and that she fought off his advances.

And that's what triggered his anger.

And what that makes me think of is,

how terrified she must have been in her final moments

on a beach, in a foreign country,

alone with this man,

who is not respecting her wishes.

That she felt she had to physically fight back

to protect herself.

And what I also find very chilling is,

keep in mind, he was 17 years old, when this happened.

Think of how depraved this man had to be

to commit this act when he was still a teenager.

The only thing about Natalee's body,

I agree with you, I find it hard to believe

that he would carry her out. I think he said knee deep.

-It's a lie. -And she would come back.

And the only thing I will say is,

you do have a lot of sharks in that water.

And you could have a situation where she's bleeding a lot.

They could have been attracted to that.

Maybe why she would never have washed ashore.

-[Nancy] Question for Derrick. -Hit me with it.

He, idiot,

tells the mother of Natalee.

He describes in detail the flowers on her underwear.

That's not what he says. He says, "I was feeling her up."

His words, not mine.

"And she kicked me."

Have you noticed,

the defendants-- I have.

They always leave out the worst parts of what happened.

They don't wanna say what they really did.

What's this all about?

He's a psychopath. What's it all about? Control.

In the moment when the crime happens and afterwards,

he's trying to control the narrative.

He's given you a piece of it, but not the full story.

I completely agree with you.

I think the initial assault, the fighting back,

was because of a sexual assault that was taking place.

That was taking place, "Allegedly."

-Allegedly. -"Allegedly." Let's just tack that on.

Guys, can a judge's son

and double killer Joran van der Sloot

ever be believed?

Many say, no.

One of Beth Holloway's closest confidants,

who is in the courtroom, next.

Over the decades, many theories

about what could have happened to Natalee Holloway have emerged.

Was Natalee kidnapped? Was she sex trafficked?

But it always came back to one person, and one person only.

Judge's son, Joran van der Sloot.

Now with us, joining us,

straight out of that courtroom confession,

forensics expert, Sheryl McCollum.

Sheryl traveled with Beth Holloway and myself

to Aruba, to search for evidence in Natalee's death.

We sat side by side in court, Sheryl.

I don't believe him, except for one thing,

"I killed Natalee."

That's the only thing he's telling the truth about, Sheryl McCollum.

I agree with you.

But, there's more to it than that for me.

If you look at the murder of Stephany Flores,

and the murder of Natalee Holloway,

you and Derrick can attest to, there's some similar transactions here.

He met them both on the exact same day.

He played poker with them, the night before.

He gets them separated from a group of people.

He takes them both to a secluded area.

He tries to have sex with both of them.

When they refuse,

he hit them with a part of his body.

Stephany Flores with his elbow.

And he claims he kicked Natalee in the head.

Then he grabbed objects

to complete this bludgeoning,

until they were murdered.

After that,

he either goes into the ocean and cleans up.

With Stephany, he goes into the shower to clean up.

With Natalee, he grabs a cinder block.

With Stephany, he takes a tennis racket.

He beats Stephany Flores so bad,

he cracked her skull and broke her neck.

[Nancy] I'm glad you mentioned that.

Because I want you to hear

Joran van der Sloot's own words regarding Natalee.

We're talking about a so-called confession,

Joran van der Sloot gave.

Take a listen to this.

[Joran] We lay down together in the sand.

And...

we start kissing each other.

I get her to kiss me again.

And I start feeling her up again.

And she tells me, no.

She tells me, she doesn't want me to feel her up.

Uh, I insist. I keep feeling her up either way.

Um, she ends up kneeing me in the crotch.

I get up on the beach.

And I kick her extremely hard in the face.

Um...

Yeah, she's laying down unconscious.

Possibly even... even dead

But definitely unconscious.

And according to him, he picks up a cinder block,

and crack-- and beats her skull in.

And he describes her face being mashed in.

Another thing, they arrest.

When you and I and Beth and Ginger go to Aruba,

we had not been on the ground an hour.

And we get detained.

Beth and I actually get detained,

by, it looks like SWAT, for Pete's sake.

Remember? And let's see that photo one, Charles.

[Sheryl] So I am between our cars and the Holiday Inn.

Y'all go to the Holiday Inn and here they come.

-[Nancy] And try to get in. -[Sheryl] And try to get in.

But the police come, they fall out of this car.

They surround you and Beth.

They start telling you how you can be arrested.

So I think it's important to document it.

So, first I take a selfie,

with them in the background.

And then they tell me, I can be arrested for taking a photograph.

And then I slide behind

to get the photograph that you just showed.

You and Beth were so tiny.

And they're just telling you, how they're fixed to take you to jail.

And you said something so, just unbelievably accurate.

When you said to them, "Let me get this straight.

You are here to arrest us in 17 minutes.

But you haven't found a way to arrest Joran van der Sloot in 17 years."

[Derrick] Sheryl, I want to dive in on what you said.

'Cause I agree with you.

As far as the comparisons between Stephany and Natalee.

And we also know, there were some more bones found on the island as well.

And they're belonging to a European female, I believe.

[Sheryl] Correct.

So we think about Joran's MO, right?

He would go to these casinos. He would allegedly look for women

who were getting ready to leave the island.

Even some allegations that he used

GHB during these interactions with them.

Do you think, maybe even before Natalee,

definitely after Natalee,

that there's more victims out there that we don't know of yet?

-A hundred percent. We have bones. -[Derrick] Right.

-You think that could be tied to Van der Sloot? -That his people knew about...

Oh, there's no question. 'Cause his friends let us to the bones.

When we were there, we had bartender after bartender,

after person from these hotels, telling us,

this was his MO.

[Derrick] They knew him? Taxi drivers,

-bartenders? Absolutely. -Absolutely.

And his father was there too.

But the other thing about Stephany Flores,

there was GHB found in her car.

But not the $10,000 that she had won.

So again, if you watch his MO,

and you watch what he does, it's very clear.

So, Sheryl, in terms of the investigation in the crime scene,

if the confession is true,

how do you think he managed to clean up that crime scene?

Or was it just that Aruban officials completely botched the investigation?

[Sheryl] Listen, Aruba is known for scuba diving.

And they're known for something called drift diving.

Where you just get in the current and it takes you out.

He would know those currents.

[Mara] But to Derrick's point from earlier about the sand.

I'm getting there. I promise you.

But I want you to understand he understood currents.

Because even when he was captured with Stephany Flores,

he had charts, detailing currents in Peru.

Why would he know that?

Why would he be studying currents?

-[Mara] I did not know that. -Okay.

[Nancy] Hey, guys, the other thing in the crime scene, for Pete's sake.

-It's a beach. -It's a beach.

Wind, surf, high tide, low tide.

-That's right. -We keep talking about the crime scene. It's a beach.

There is no crime scene.

[Sheryl] Exactly right.

Sheryl, I want you to tell Derrick and Mara

about when we were there.

And we were driving up

-to the top of Alto Vista. -Sure.

The little hill where Beth went when she was there,

searching for Natalee.

Getting no answers. Getting thwarted by police, left and right.

And the cab driver was driving her.

She saw a cross on the side of the road.

She said, "Let me out."

-And she described how she threw herself on the dirt. -Correct.

And was beating the dirt.

And praying, "Where is my daughter? Where is my daughter?"

That photo, Sheryl,

was when you and I and Beth were there.

And she got out at that cross.

In the end, at the time she looked up, she saw another cross.

She went all the way to the top of the hill.

-Right. -To the little chapel.

-It's about as big as your kitchen. -Mmm-hmm.

And she said for the first time,

I'll never forget it.

She said at that moment,

"I knew for the first time that Natalee was dead."

You know, it was such a powerful moment.

Because she said when she fell to the ground, at that first cross,

she just screamed to God,

"Give her back to me."

And she didn't understand why would you give her to me,

to take her from me.

And she said, as she got to each cross,

she said, you know, she felt a little more peace

and a little more empowered.

But when she got to the top,

she didn't go inside the chapel.

She just laid down on the ground in front of it.

And that was the first time she knew

-and accepted Natalee's gone. -[Nancy] Hmm.

-[Derrick] Yeah, let's get into-- -Derrick, look at this photo

of Beth, Sheryl, and me in front of that tiny, tiny, little chapel

that Sheryl is describing. It's our photo three,

-and... -But I gotta tell you something else she said.

So here, we're crying with her.

I mean, she's telling us this story that any momma, anybody,

would just be gutted to hear.

And as we're sitting there, we're sitting right there,

and she looks at Nancy and I, and she says,

"I know y'all think I'm crazy,

but I brought Natalee's passport, just in case."

-[Derrick softly] Ah. -So, for 10 years or more,

she said she never left home, guys,

-without Natalee's passport... -[Sheryl] Mmm.

...in case she got the call, no matter where she was,

that Natalee had been found alive,

and she could travel there and bring Natalee home.

That just speaks to a mother's hope

that you never give up hope of finding your baby.

And while she has expressed relief

at finally having some answers,

um, you can only imagine how bittersweet this is right now

because the answer also means finality.

[Derrick] I definitely still-- I don't wanna put a damper on it,

but I'm still just struggling with the idea

of sense of urgency, right?

Law enforcement not acting right away.

I know, you're the expert in this, but for me being on a beach,

I think if they had acted right away

and went there the next morning,

maybe there would have been something, forensically,

that would've put us in a different position

where Beth wasn't traveling days later to find her daughter.

They could've solved it right away and known what happened to her.

Derrick, not only was there not a sense of urgency,

they told this momma,

"Hey, when they're done with her, they'll turn her loose.

-You'll see her just walking down the street." -[Nancy] That's exactly

-what they said. -Look, all the authorities were talking about...

-[Sheryl] Yes. -..."Well, murder's not good for tourist business."

Right? That's obviously part of it. So, it's a lot deeper.

I know we have a short amount of time, but it's deep.

Sheryl McCollum, as always, forensics expert,

thank you for being with us. When we come back,

it always came back to one person, Joran van der Sloot.

Is his punishment enough?

Natalee would be thirty-six years old today.

I still miss her every day.

It's been a very long and painful journey,

but we finally got the answers

we've been searching for for all these years.

We finally, today, we get justice for Natalee.

Two long decades of blood, sweat, and tears

to solve the disappearance and death of teen girl,

American beauty Natalee Holloway,

including her mother, Beth Holloway's trips to Aruba.

Joining me right now, uh,

a beautiful friend and confidant

of Beth Holloway's, Ginger Stricklin.

Ginger traveled with Beth, me, and Sheryl to Aruba

to search for evidence in Natalee's death.

Ginger, this woman, Beth Holloway,

she was so poised.

Remember, in court, in the Hugo Black Federal Courthouse

this past week, not even a week ago,

she, everyone was sitting there, quietly,

and of course, there were armed bailiffs,

sheriffs, guards, at every door,

which is common when there is a sentencing

in case the defendant tries to make a run for it.

Heavily guarded, everyone was seated and quiet.

Sheriffs were trolling the aisles, remember, Ginger?

And then in walks Beth.

-And there was a hush that went over that courtroom. -Yes.

And of course, she was beautiful, as always,

but the pain was clearly etched on her face, Ginger Stricklin.

Absolutely.

Absolutely. I was so proud

that she held herself and she was so strong.

And we saw that, Nancy, in the courtroom.

She did an amazing job,

um, holding up through that.

And then when she got to speak with him,

or get to, you know, when she got to

say to him what she wanted to say,

it was a sense of accomplishment

of a goal that she had set out to

finish what she started.

Eighteen long years of having this goal

of having her daughter's murder confessed.

And knowing that he had lied for so long,

but just to have him confess to these murders,

or this murder and then, of course, Stephany Flores.

It just was a, I think it was a,

a satisfactory feeling that she had,

you know, a sense of accomplishment

of something that she had set out to make happen.

You mentioned Stephany Tatiana Flores,

who was another murder victim of Joran van der Sloot,

to the day, five years later that he murdered Natalee,

same MO, modus operandi, method of operation, Ginger,

we've talked about this in Aruba.

He meet Stephany in a casino,

befriends her, tries to get her alone,

and ends up smothering and bludgeoning her dead.

So, if Aruba had acted when he murdered Natalee,

Stephany Tatiana Flores would be alive.

But I want you, Ginger, to tell everyone

what Beth Holloway said to Joran van der Sloot in court.

She stood up there, so brave and so strong,

and she turned around with her feisty little self and said,

"You look like hell, Joran,

and you will not survive."

And it was almost like everybody in that courtroom,

and...[indistinct] ...both discussed this, it was a good thing

we were not sitting side-by-side

because we would've had a fight.

It was like Beth gave a gut punch

to him right there for everybody there.

That's why I feel like, you know, it was--

She's waited so long to have these words to him,

to get to him, and give him a punch.

-And we all felt that, and we were so proud of her... -[Mara] Mmm.

...for being able to say this to him.

Ginger, you know, there have been questions

about how much of this confession is true.

And clearly, it was very important, understandably,

to Beth that he took responsibility

for murdering Natalee.

But in terms of the specifics of the confession,

does she believe the entire thing,

or are there still questions about whether or not

he's lying in parts of this?

She believes the most of it.

And I think there's parts, yes,

that I think she feels like he probably still is lying about,

because he's lied so much.

He's just told lie after lie.

-But, I-- -[Nancy] Ginger, we've counted up 10

different stories he's told,

and speaking of Joran van der Sloot's so-called confession,

take a listen to this.

[Joran in recording] Yeah, Deepak drops me off at a place, uh,

a little right of the Marriott hotel, known as the Fisherman's Huts.

-We walk along the beach, uh-- -[man 1] Um, do Deepak and Satish

get out, come with, uh...

-What happens to them? -[Joran] Uh, Deepak and Satish leave.

Uh, they leave, uh,

they go back to their home.

I assume they go back to their home.

Um, they get in their car and they leave.

Ginger Stricklin, I don't believe that.

I believe Deepak and Satish Kalpoe

know exactly what happened,

and that he's lying about that too,

because they could rat him out,

and this could be prosecuted as a murder.

I do too, Nancy. I really do.

I think they know more than what, um,

than what they're, he's telling,

and I think that's another lie.

Um, it was just a heinous murder,

and we know that he's capable of that.

No doubt in my mind,

Natalee kneed him when she did not want

the sexual advances, and it made him mad.

But if Aruban authorities wanna pursue this,

they've already asked for the case files.

They wanna know more about this confession.

Would Beth still be willing to cooperate with them?

Because maybe through corroboration,

other individuals like the Kalpoe brothers

potentially could still be charged. We don't know yet.

Absolutely. Absolutely.

I think she is definitely, she's relieved here,

you know, in the United States here, um, with this whole battle.

But, yes, absolutely.

And I think they should have to

be responsible for this,

especially after this confession has come out.

And it, the United States should boycott Aruba

if nothing's done, in my opinion,

there should be no flights from the U.S. to there.

Just a boycott. And I know that's

probably not gonna happen, won't happen.

But, somebody needs to take a stand in Aruba

since that confession happened here.

Ginger Stricklin, truer words were never spoken.

We are taking a stand. But, can I tell you this?

I almost hate to tell you.

After Natalee Holloway first went missing,

do you know tourism in Aruba from America actually went up?

But you know what? We can keep trying.

Ginger Stricklin, you're awesome.

Thank you for being with us.

What is the truth?

Will Joran van der Sloot

find another way to escape justice?

Now, Aruban cops demand van der Sloot's confession.

Why? Will they somehow mount a murder prosecution?

In exchange for a detailed confession

on what really happened to Natalee Holloway,

judge is saying Joran van der Sloot gets 20 years

for extorting a grieving mother, Beth Holloway.

The 20 years runs concurrently or same time,

with 28 years he gets for the murder

of another young woman, Stephany Tatiana Flores.

He murdered Stephany five years, to the day,

from when he murdered Natalee.

But will he really stay behind bars?

The one thing I heard the judge say over and over

in the federal courtroom at the Hugo Black Building in Birmingham

this past week was,

"If, for any reason, you get out early,

whether there's a change in the law..."

For instance, think about Charles Manson. Right?

He got the death penalty, but the law changed.

So, he grew to a ripe old age behind bars.

She's saying, "If the law changes and you get out early,

you gotta come back to the U.S.

-If, for whatever reason, you get out early..." -[Mara] Yeah.

"...you must come back to the U.S.

to finish serving this sentence."

Will it ever happen?

I mean, can he be apprehended? Derrick?

Yeah. I mean, I definitely don't think he's gonna get out

any time soon 'cause you have to remember in 2021,

he was also, uh, convicted of cocaine.

He was trafficking cocaine in the prisons in Peru.

So, we got another 18 years for that.

[Nancy] Is that concurrent or consecutive?

So, it's gonna be consecutive, but the thing is,

he can't do more than 35 years in total based on Peru law.

So, he can't-- Unless you get a life sentence,

you have to be let out after 35 years.

So, if he does that time,

that would run concurrently with the 20-year sentence

here in the United States, so he would be out by 2045.

Which, to me, is still crazy to think that

this entire show we've been talking about this guy

and what he's capable of,

-that he could be walking the streets again. -Right.

So, he's gonna get out when he's in his 50s.

And so the question... And then that is taking into account

this 20-year sentence that is running concurrently.

So, assuming he serves his entire sentence in Peru,

he gets out in 2045.

He will be in his 50s, and he will be facing

no more prison time for any of the crimes

that we know of at this time.

And so, I think the legitimate question

that a lot of people are asking is,

"Is this really justice for someone that we know

has killed two women?

For someone that clearly seems to be a psychopath?"

You know, his motivation for extorting Beth Holloway was revenge

because she had been making his life difficult

in searching for her daughter.

This is a depraved human being

that will be out back on the streets in,

you know, when he's still relatively young.

I heard the judge keep mentioning the year 2043.

Um, what it boils down to is,

if he is released early in Peru,

which is entirely possible,

and as of right now, with us sitting on this set,

he is still in the U.S.

Now, a lot of people have said,

"He doesn't wanna get back to Peru."

No, he wants to go back to Peru, and I'll tell you why.

In his Peruvian jail,

he gets alcohol, he gets drugs.

He has unlimited conjugal visits.

He's already had one child, one wife,

and now he's got a girlfriend.

So, yeah. He wants to go back to Peru.

The only hope many of us held out

is that Aruba, since there's a confession,

will now prosecute him for murder.

I mean, we've given 'em the case on a silver platter.

But, Aruba has a homicide statute of limitations of 12 years.

-[Derrick] Ridiculous. -So, uh...

[Mara] But there are, potentially,

some ways to extend that statute of limitations.

And one of those ways is if they can demonstrate

some kind of fraudulent concealment.

That can reset things. And I think in this case,

you can make a case that there were several instances

of fraudulent concealment.

So, the real question is,

do Aruban authorities want to prosecute this case?

And every indication that we've gotten

over the last 18 years says they really don't.

[Derrick] Well, they have asked for the case files,

so my hope is twofold. I know, I know.

-[Nancy chuckles] -It's twofold here.

-First and foremost, there's another-- -I don't know whether to laugh

or cry, so I chose kind of a...

With law enforcement, there's an...

[Nancy] Aruba has done nothing.

You know what Beth told me?

When her daughter goes missing,

she flies down, she's running,

literally running around Aruba trying to retrace Natalee's steps.

She goes to the police office.

She sits outside the chief of police office.

For five hours, she sits there.

They keep saying, "He's gone. He's..."

Finally, he comes out of his office,

and he's been back there eating,

and having his hair cut.

-[Derrick] Mmm. -While the mother of this, now we know murdered girl,

is out there crying, trying to speak to the chief of police.

They're not gonna help.

Think how bad this looks for Aruban authorities, though, right?

So, you have a situation where the FBI

initially wanted to get involved.

-Aruba didn't want 'em involved. -[Nancy] Mmm.

Now, Joran gets transferred to United States,

FBI get in there, they get a confession.

This makes Aruban authorities look bad.

This makes their whole government look terrible.

They have to try to correct this because there's no trust

in that community now with that law enforcement agency.

So, there's two things that could happen here.

Yes, they could try to find a loophole for Joran,

but also, like I said earlier with Sheryl,

there may be other cases that haven't been closed yet

that they're still trying to connect to.

Now we have a profile on Joran.

Could he be connected to other cases?

There may be other charges brought for completely different victims.

-That's my hope. -[Nancy] FYI, we've had a profile

since he murdered Stephany Tatiana Flores.

-[Derrick] It's true. That is true. -Many years ago.

-We know he murdered Natalee. -[Derrick] Now we have a pattern.

-Now we have a pattern to it. -Yes.

-Mara? -Well, I think that sadly Ginger was right.

Ginger said earlier in the show

that the only thing that's really gonna move this

is some kind of boycott. And in their case,

it would have to be a tourism boycott.

-[Derrick] Mmm. -No one's gonna ban flights to Aruba,

but if Americans say, "You know what?

We're gonna go somewhere else. There are a lot of other beautiful places to go."

-Then, maybe that will motivate some action. -I wouldn't let my daughter

go over there, that's for sure.

I swore I would never go to Aruba

after Natalee went missing.

I went back one time with Beth.

Coming up.

Why is it that so many victims,

victims of domestic abuse are afraid to speak out?

How can we help victims of domestic violence?

Next.

One in four women, one in 10 men,

experience sex violence or physical violence,

and or stalking by an intimate partner here in the U.S.

Twenty-four people victimized every minute that passes.

Sixty-five percent of victims who come forward say,

"No one helped."

October, domestic violence awareness month.

In its annual No Excuse For Abuse campaign,

ID partners with No More

to end domestic abuse and sex violence.

With us now, Jane Randel.

Co-founder of No More, to end domestic violence and sex assault.

Jane, honor and privilege to have you with us here on Crimefeed.

-[Jane] Thank you. -If you are in a violent relationship,

what can you do?

The first thing I want anybody in a violent relationship

right now to know is that that you are not alone,

and there are people that can help.

We are very fortunate, in our country.

We have a lot of resources.

The National Domestic Violence Hotline for one.

You can chat, you can text, you can speak.

Um, an app called Bright Sky, which is relatively new

that you can download. It looks like a weather app.

But if you put your zip code in,

it tells you all your local resources.

You know, the statistic that you just showed,

about 65% of people came...

said no one helped them when they came forward,

it's because the public,

A, still doesn't wanna talk about domestic violence.

And B, doesn't really know what to do

if someone they care about,

or know, or work with, um, comes forward.

And that's something that we need to try and work

to normalize the conversation, right?

People feel so much shame and stigma.

But if we can bring it out into the open,

that will help dissipate that.

There's shame and stigma, and also the perception from some that,

"Well, these are family matters. I don't wanna pry."

-[Jane] Mmm-hmm. -If you suspect that someone is suffering,

or is a victim of domestic abuse,

what can you do to help them?

[Jane] You can... These are people often who are very isolated.

Their abuser has told them, "No one cares about you.

Only I care about you."

They often separated them from friends, from family.

They can-- It's all about power and control.

And that's really what domestic violence is about.

So, even just saying, "How are you?

Are you okay?"

Just indicating that you're there for them...

"Something seems off,"

they may not bite right away,

but I have heard stories after story,

of people who say,

that just knowing someone cared,

that they really may not be as alone as they thought,

made a huge difference.

Often the ones who know, are the children.

-[Jane] Correct. -Because they're in the home.

And of course, this is not a young child's responsibility,

but if you are an adult child,

that knows what's happening in your home,

is there a way to handle,

and to help your parent?

You can talk to your parent,

you know, it's, here's the sad thing.

We can do everything as a bystander that we want,

and know how to do,

but we can't make someone take the next step, right?

And often, the next step is finding help,

so that they can create a safety plan,

because you don't, just leaving,

is not necessarily the best

-or the safest thing. -Well, often when they leave,

-they have nowhere to go. -[Jane] Yes.

You know, it's easy for us to sit back

and go, "Why don't you just leave?"

It's not like that.

-[Jane] No. -When I worked in the battered women's center,

in Atlanta as a volunteer,

women would have, one,

-some of them would have no job. -[Jane] Correct.

-Three or four children. -[Jane] Mm-hmm.

That's their only financial support.

And what are they gonna do?

Leave and go where?

When all the shelters are full?

[Mara] I was gonna say that, I hate when people ask that question,

-like, why don't you just leave? -[Nancy] It's not that easy.

Well, turn it around. Why are you abusing this person?

-[chuckles] I mean, that's really the question. -[Nancy] Exactly.

So, yes.

And there's lot of reasons that people don't leave.

People forget that they started

a relationship for a reason.

There's often love somewhere in there.

There's fear.

They don't have the financial wherewithal

to go somewhere else.

They don't have anywhere to go,

maybe they don't wanna live in a shelter.

There's stigma about that.

-There's so many-- -How it's gonna affect their children.

Correct, and the children, to your point,

the children always know.

People think that a lot of times,

parents, and they're trying so hard,

but they stay together,

or they try and hide it from the kids.

But the kids always know,

and that is a population of,

sort of, overlooked victims,

who can be really impacted, of course,

later in their lives as adults.

-Would you...you go, Derrick. -[Derrick] Jane,

I just recently, and you were there as well, we had the opportunity

to listen to Gabby Petito's parents speak,

and they just had new legislation passed in Utah,

specifically, how police interact

with potential domestic violence victims.

I know as a police officer,

you respond there, you pull 'em aside, you separate them,

you just provided so much information succinctly.

Do you think there's an opportunity

for better training for police officers,

to provide those different avenues

that you just laid out,

so that when they pull 'em aside,

maybe they're not ready yet,

but police officers can provide that information,

so that if they wanna act later,

-they have those opportunities. -For sure.

[Nancy] Derrick's right, they actually said

-Gabby was the attacker. -[Derrick] Yeah.

-[Derrick] Yeah. -Gabby Petito, now dead?

At the hands of her attacker?

They blamed her.

[Jane] Well, and that often, by the way,

is a tactic that perpetrators use,

-I mean, you probably know that from your policing. -[Derrick] Oh, yeah.

Is that they'll call the police first.

And that way, they say they're the victim.

And it's, I mean, it's, it's all about power and control.

Someone once said, you know,

perpetrators are, are,

stymied only by their imagination, right?

Whatever they can come up with

is a way that they can exert their power

and control over somebody.

But I have to imagine that the hope

for many of these women who stay, mostly women,

is that things will change.

-Mm. True. -So that they can keep their family together.

Is it possible for an abuser to change, if they want help?

Is there any kind of rehabilitation that's possible?

There are resources,

though not as many as we'd like,

there are resources for people

who realize that they are perpetrating abuse

and they want to get help.

But you just said something really important.

They have to want to.

It's also super important for men,

'cause we're gonna make a generalization here,

and say that, by and large,

it's women who are being perpetrated against by men,

um, that men have to hold each other accountable as well.

I wanna say something, because this is,

something really,

that, it means a lot to me,

and I wanna say directly into the camera on this one.

Victims of domestic violence out there,

from my experience,

they don't change.

There's only escalation.

It starts off when I respond there,

to it's just a hit, it's a smack,

then it's a broken rib.

And before you know it, it gets really bad.

I've been in a situation where it started off as a simple assault.

I responded a year later,

and the individual actually killed this woman.

So what I would tell you is,

if they've done it before, they'll do it again.

I don't, I'm not saying it's easy,

but do what you can to get out of that situation.

Because more than likely, they will not change.

And Derrick, by the time I would get ahold

of domestic violence cases,

it was a felony.

-Typically at assault or murder. -[Derrick] Yeah.

-[Jane] Right. -[Derrick] Yeah.

Yeah, there's, and there's so many

different ways of abusing somebody.

So there's physical violence,

of course, and that's what everyone thinks about.

There's financial abuse.

Right? Controlling the money.

Even if you're the one that makes the money, right?

Uh, verbal abuse.

Telling somebody, you know,

if someone tells you, for a long time,

that you are worthless, and stupid,

and no one cares about you,

and only I care about you,

you believe that.

I mean, that's where you, you know,

that's how this grooming works.

The psychology behind this, Jane Randel,

thank you, not only for being here,

but for everything you do, every day.

-Yep. -To help victims of domestic abuse.

To learn more about how you can find help,

support survivors, and contribute,

go to NoExcuseForAbuse.com.

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from across our great nation.

Some ripped from headlines.

Some you may never have heard of.

For Mara, Derrick, and myself,

we'll see you next week.

Goodnight, friend.

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