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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,601 --> 00:00:04,326 His Dark Materials is set in an alternate universe 2 00:00:04,328 --> 00:00:09,047 populated with iconic characters, daemons and magical creatures. 3 00:00:09,048 --> 00:00:10,967 To adapt this for television, 4 00:00:10,968 --> 00:00:13,087 there's no doubt that this much-loved story 5 00:00:13,088 --> 00:00:14,967 would be an ambitious undertaking. 6 00:00:14,968 --> 00:00:17,607 It's got to be epic, it's got to be a grand scale. 7 00:00:17,608 --> 00:00:20,703 You can't really just pop a book and make it a TV series. 8 00:00:20,705 --> 00:00:23,567 That's probably the paramount challenge, I think. 9 00:00:23,568 --> 00:00:26,127 I believe it will translate really, really well. 10 00:00:26,128 --> 00:00:29,407 Follow production as they tackle this challenge head-on 11 00:00:29,408 --> 00:00:31,087 from envisioning the costumes... 12 00:00:31,088 --> 00:00:33,127 Everybody that reads the books 13 00:00:33,128 --> 00:00:34,807 is going to have a different imagination 14 00:00:34,808 --> 00:00:36,807 and they're going to visualise it differently. 15 00:00:36,808 --> 00:00:38,448 ... building the worlds... 16 00:00:38,450 --> 00:00:40,132 It always stuck in my mind as something 17 00:00:40,134 --> 00:00:42,227 that was going to be a very hard thing to try and do, 18 00:00:42,229 --> 00:00:43,804 and it's such a fun challenge that 19 00:00:43,806 --> 00:00:47,148 I defy anyone to not think it would be utterly brilliant thing to do. 20 00:00:47,149 --> 00:00:48,806 ... mastering the daemons... 21 00:00:48,808 --> 00:00:50,902 The scale of this is, I would say, unprecedented, 22 00:00:50,904 --> 00:00:52,468 especially from a creature perspective. 23 00:00:52,469 --> 00:00:55,548 This is one of the most ambitious projects I've ever come upon. 24 00:00:55,549 --> 00:00:57,708 I just thought, "This is utterly extraordinary", 25 00:00:57,709 --> 00:01:00,188 and I wasn't entirely sure that it was doable. 26 00:01:00,189 --> 00:01:04,108 Yeah, this show is above and beyond what has ever been done before. 27 00:01:04,109 --> 00:01:06,828 ... and the challenges of writing the screenplay. 28 00:01:06,829 --> 00:01:08,508 I want to be 100% true to the original. 29 00:01:08,509 --> 00:01:10,108 I am a fan of these books, 30 00:01:10,109 --> 00:01:13,185 and I want people who are a fan of these books 31 00:01:13,187 --> 00:01:15,388 to feel pleased with this adaptation. 32 00:01:15,389 --> 00:01:17,140 What we're bringing to the screen 33 00:01:17,142 --> 00:01:19,748 is a faithful adaptation of the books people love, 34 00:01:19,749 --> 00:01:22,268 but it's just plus, it's just more. 35 00:01:22,269 --> 00:01:27,371 Buckle up as we delve into Making His Dark Materials. 36 00:01:27,373 --> 00:01:31,373 - Synced and corrected by Firefly - - www.addic7ed.com - 37 00:01:35,669 --> 00:01:38,388 First published over 20 years ago, 38 00:01:38,389 --> 00:01:41,708 His Dark Materials has spawned a dedicated fan base, 39 00:01:41,709 --> 00:01:44,108 which unsurprisingly includes myself... 40 00:01:44,109 --> 00:01:47,840 Lyra, I promised once to do everything I could to protect you 41 00:01:47,842 --> 00:01:49,988 from anyone who might do you harm. 42 00:01:49,989 --> 00:01:52,188 ... and some of our key cast. 43 00:01:52,189 --> 00:01:55,628 His Dark Materials is one of my favourite book series of all time. 44 00:01:55,629 --> 00:01:59,469 I read it with my wife when she was still my girlfriend. 45 00:01:59,471 --> 00:02:01,788 We had just started dating and it was one of those trilogies 46 00:02:01,789 --> 00:02:05,508 we read together. And it's such a beautiful coming of age story, 47 00:02:05,509 --> 00:02:10,628 it's such a beautiful world, it's so smart, it's so full. 48 00:02:10,629 --> 00:02:13,108 I've read it three times, I think. 49 00:02:13,109 --> 00:02:14,988 I've listened to the audiobook twice, 50 00:02:14,989 --> 00:02:19,388 I've listened to the BBC radio adaptation twice. 51 00:02:19,389 --> 00:02:21,468 I'm a massive fan. 52 00:02:21,469 --> 00:02:26,588 Philip has created such a unique world and such a complicated world. 53 00:02:26,589 --> 00:02:30,651 Which means it's... definitely has to be, like, dramatised in some way, 54 00:02:30,653 --> 00:02:32,147 but it's very hard to do. 55 00:02:32,149 --> 00:02:35,669 And you feel utterly magnificent. 56 00:02:37,429 --> 00:02:39,639 Taking on these much-loved characters 57 00:02:39,641 --> 00:02:41,908 was filled with mixed emotions. 58 00:02:41,909 --> 00:02:44,031 They told me, "We're doing a series on His Dark Materials". 59 00:02:44,033 --> 00:02:47,535 which I believe is what the material deserves, it's such a rich world, 60 00:02:47,537 --> 00:02:49,907 so I was in from that dinner onward. 61 00:02:49,909 --> 00:02:52,148 I had to do a musical number and get into a bar fight 62 00:02:52,149 --> 00:02:54,748 on the first and second days of filming respectively. 63 00:02:54,749 --> 00:02:57,068 Those are two dreams for an actor. 64 00:03:00,349 --> 00:03:04,188 When I heard that they were going to turn it into a TV series, 65 00:03:04,189 --> 00:03:06,388 I got very excited as a fan. 66 00:03:06,389 --> 00:03:08,228 There's never really been a part in it 67 00:03:08,229 --> 00:03:10,112 that I've thought I should play. 68 00:03:10,114 --> 00:03:12,068 I've never really seen myself as Lord Asriel. 69 00:03:12,069 --> 00:03:14,388 Came in, walked into the read-through and was like, 70 00:03:14,389 --> 00:03:16,228 "Right! I'm Lord Asriel!", 71 00:03:16,229 --> 00:03:18,388 smashing it and really enjoying it. 72 00:03:18,389 --> 00:03:19,788 And I've been loving it. 73 00:03:19,789 --> 00:03:21,508 That was clumsy, wasn't it? 74 00:03:21,509 --> 00:03:24,108 It most certainly was nerve-racking. 75 00:03:24,109 --> 00:03:28,348 I was like, "Oh, my God, so many people who have read the books 76 00:03:28,349 --> 00:03:32,508 and love Lyra". So it's very, very nerve-racking thinking 77 00:03:32,509 --> 00:03:35,869 that you've got to live up to everyone's role model. 78 00:03:36,869 --> 00:03:40,028 Funny, the character was so exciting and interesting and bold 79 00:03:40,029 --> 00:03:43,748 and colourful and so many things to explore with her. 80 00:03:43,749 --> 00:03:46,588 That really excited me, but, yes, there's a huge fan base, 81 00:03:46,589 --> 00:03:49,708 and she has a huge following and people love her 82 00:03:49,709 --> 00:03:51,748 and despise her in equal measure. 83 00:03:51,749 --> 00:03:55,028 Bringing this iconic tale to television may seem 84 00:03:55,029 --> 00:03:57,082 like an obvious decision, 85 00:03:57,084 --> 00:04:00,108 but it was actually a long time in the making. 86 00:04:00,109 --> 00:04:04,348 I read the books when they came out in the late 1990s. 87 00:04:04,349 --> 00:04:09,628 And I really felt that this material was something I wanted to make. 88 00:04:09,629 --> 00:04:14,615 I would, every now and again, reach out to Philip's agent, 89 00:04:14,617 --> 00:04:18,268 then to New Line, and keep pitching 90 00:04:18,269 --> 00:04:21,788 for why I felt these books should be adapted for television. 91 00:04:21,789 --> 00:04:24,068 I mean, to say I circled like a shark 92 00:04:24,069 --> 00:04:25,588 makes me sound more aggressive. 93 00:04:25,589 --> 00:04:27,686 I think I probably just waited on the porch 94 00:04:27,688 --> 00:04:29,868 like a really loyal and faithful puppy. 95 00:04:29,869 --> 00:04:33,881 There have been various attempts to make adaptations of this story 96 00:04:33,883 --> 00:04:35,908 in all sorts of different media. 97 00:04:35,909 --> 00:04:38,468 I was always attracted to the idea of long-form television, 98 00:04:38,469 --> 00:04:39,591 as we now call it, 99 00:04:39,593 --> 00:04:42,655 because it does give the opportunity to tell a long story in full. 100 00:04:42,657 --> 00:04:46,893 It's a wonderful illustration of the skill and the talent 101 00:04:46,895 --> 00:04:51,228 and the dedication we now have in the British TV world. 102 00:04:51,229 --> 00:04:56,388 I'm very privileged to have seen my story taken over by Bad Wolf 103 00:04:56,389 --> 00:04:59,468 and made into such a spectacular piece of work. 104 00:04:59,469 --> 00:05:01,348 With Philip Pullman's blessing, 105 00:05:01,349 --> 00:05:03,908 it was time to get this project set in motion. 106 00:05:03,909 --> 00:05:06,828 First up, who would pen this ambitious tale? 107 00:05:06,829 --> 00:05:11,748 When it was announced that we had the rights to His Dark Materials, 108 00:05:11,749 --> 00:05:14,388 Jack put his hand in the air really early on 109 00:05:14,389 --> 00:05:16,988 and just said that he really wanted to do it, 110 00:05:16,989 --> 00:05:22,068 and what's more, he really wanted to write all of the eight episodes. 111 00:05:22,069 --> 00:05:24,668 Most shows of this scale, you've got a writers' room, 112 00:05:24,669 --> 00:05:26,371 you got a lot of people breaking the episodes. 113 00:05:26,373 --> 00:05:28,307 We're, like, on the Aaron Sorkin model. 114 00:05:28,309 --> 00:05:30,948 Jack Thorne is, like, writing every script. 115 00:05:30,949 --> 00:05:36,788 The task I always set myself is to follow a truth of the books 116 00:05:36,789 --> 00:05:40,468 so you can't always put everything in the same order, 117 00:05:40,469 --> 00:05:43,348 but fundamentally, you are still going in the same direction. 118 00:05:43,349 --> 00:05:46,531 It's hard and you often find yourself in a cul-de-sac 119 00:05:46,533 --> 00:05:48,915 because you've made a series of decisions 120 00:05:48,917 --> 00:05:50,859 which have taken you too far away. 121 00:05:50,861 --> 00:05:54,258 It's kind of difficult in a much more passive form of entertainment 122 00:05:54,260 --> 00:05:58,388 like TV or film where you are sitting, being fed. 123 00:05:58,389 --> 00:06:00,708 You only get to see what we show you, 124 00:06:00,709 --> 00:06:03,279 and you don't have time to let your imagination ruminate and, 125 00:06:03,281 --> 00:06:06,988 or a sentence really kind of roll around in your mouth 126 00:06:06,989 --> 00:06:08,228 or in your mind. 127 00:06:08,229 --> 00:06:09,802 You're on to the next thing, 128 00:06:09,804 --> 00:06:12,627 and if you don't keep up, you've lost it, you know? 129 00:06:12,629 --> 00:06:15,548 One bonus of having a living author is that you can pick them up 130 00:06:15,549 --> 00:06:16,628 and you can shake them 131 00:06:16,629 --> 00:06:18,308 to find all the story that falls out. 132 00:06:18,309 --> 00:06:21,748 So going, "There's a gap here, Philip, so what happened here?" 133 00:06:21,749 --> 00:06:24,588 You know, "Who's this person? Where did they start from?" 134 00:06:24,589 --> 00:06:26,068 All those questions. 135 00:06:26,069 --> 00:06:29,388 Um, but there's also the big general questions you ask, which is, 136 00:06:29,389 --> 00:06:31,668 "What would you change?" 137 00:06:31,669 --> 00:06:34,468 The word itself, adapt... The story has to be adapted 138 00:06:34,469 --> 00:06:37,588 to suit the nature of the medium into which it is going. 139 00:06:37,589 --> 00:06:39,068 It's the same thing for television, 140 00:06:39,069 --> 00:06:41,028 same thing for movies, same thing for radio. 141 00:06:41,029 --> 00:06:44,105 It's inevitable. I wasn't, um, going to be insistent 142 00:06:44,107 --> 00:06:48,182 that every single item in the story had to be exactly presented 143 00:06:48,184 --> 00:06:49,948 as it was on the page. 144 00:06:49,949 --> 00:06:53,228 Whilst Jack got to grips with this rich adventure, 145 00:06:53,229 --> 00:06:55,588 the art department was tackling the alternate universe 146 00:06:55,589 --> 00:06:57,108 that is Lyra's world. 147 00:06:57,109 --> 00:07:00,228 The design department is extraordinary. 148 00:07:00,230 --> 00:07:02,108 I mean, just extraordinary. 149 00:07:02,109 --> 00:07:06,131 The scale and the level of detail is so incredible. 150 00:07:06,133 --> 00:07:10,281 Lyra goes through so many different forms of existence and worlds, 151 00:07:10,283 --> 00:07:12,988 so it's a huge job. 152 00:07:12,989 --> 00:07:15,090 It just shows the amount of respect, I think, 153 00:07:15,092 --> 00:07:16,468 that people have for the project, 154 00:07:16,469 --> 00:07:18,388 that producers have gathered together 155 00:07:18,389 --> 00:07:21,708 this incredibly talented group of creatives. 156 00:07:21,709 --> 00:07:24,988 You get the chance to have real-life, grown-up playgrounds 157 00:07:24,989 --> 00:07:27,628 to inhabit and populate the world of make-believe. 158 00:07:27,629 --> 00:07:30,548 And that just adds such joy. 159 00:07:30,549 --> 00:07:35,428 Asriel's lab has so many little things, they are so detailed. 160 00:07:35,429 --> 00:07:37,588 It's like they have every single switch. 161 00:07:37,589 --> 00:07:40,749 It actually really helps, acting-wise. 162 00:07:41,650 --> 00:07:44,392 To understand how to build the beginning, 163 00:07:44,394 --> 00:07:46,644 I wanted to really understand all three books 164 00:07:46,646 --> 00:07:50,907 and the story that Philip had told across those three. 165 00:07:50,909 --> 00:07:54,297 I worked out from, um, from a kind of, like, an emotional perspective, 166 00:07:54,299 --> 00:07:58,348 Philip was using nostalgia, using memories, 167 00:07:58,349 --> 00:08:02,948 using kind of his own childhood nostalgia, maybe, 168 00:08:02,949 --> 00:08:06,508 so I used that ideology, but tried to move it forward 169 00:08:06,509 --> 00:08:09,508 so that newer audience could find some common ground, 170 00:08:09,509 --> 00:08:12,388 uh, with the way we were telling this story. 171 00:08:12,389 --> 00:08:16,068 One of the biggest problems with this story is how crazy 172 00:08:16,069 --> 00:08:19,428 and fantastical and amazing and kind of vast it is. 173 00:08:19,429 --> 00:08:22,468 And ultimately, it's a very complex thing to put in front of the screen 174 00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:25,668 and I think the presumption might be that you would 175 00:08:25,669 --> 00:08:27,268 do it all against blue screens. 176 00:08:27,269 --> 00:08:31,666 It's way more enjoyable to try and really feel the environment, 177 00:08:31,668 --> 00:08:36,028 I think, to try and put in camera as many of the real-world elements 178 00:08:36,029 --> 00:08:41,148 and ground this whole place, this world, in reality as much as we can. 179 00:08:41,149 --> 00:08:43,548 You know, each area and each space 180 00:08:43,549 --> 00:08:47,268 has been quite carefully curated to tell the story. 181 00:08:47,269 --> 00:08:49,668 I love the airships, they're really fun. 182 00:08:49,669 --> 00:08:51,748 And we've had three different kinds of airships, 183 00:08:51,749 --> 00:08:55,268 so we had one that was like a tube, you know a London tube, 184 00:08:55,269 --> 00:09:00,148 one that's like a sort of private jet, and one that's a military one. 185 00:09:00,149 --> 00:09:04,468 So I mean, they're amazing, I could spend all day in those. 186 00:09:04,469 --> 00:09:07,588 I absolutely love the set of my boat. 187 00:09:07,589 --> 00:09:10,468 Everybody walks onto that set and really wishes they could live there. 188 00:09:10,469 --> 00:09:13,908 On every shelf, in every cupboard, every cushion, 189 00:09:13,909 --> 00:09:17,309 I cannot tell you just the extraordinary, 190 00:09:17,311 --> 00:09:19,508 microscopic attention to detail. 191 00:09:19,509 --> 00:09:21,628 I will give you that. 192 00:09:21,629 --> 00:09:25,028 I've just been doing a lot of scenes in the frozen wastes of the North 193 00:09:25,029 --> 00:09:27,988 and you walk onto set and it's actually pretty stunning. 194 00:09:27,989 --> 00:09:29,547 And the light is incredible, 195 00:09:29,549 --> 00:09:32,401 you are lit by our Northern Lights a lot of the time, 196 00:09:32,403 --> 00:09:37,587 so it's like being in a brilliant psychedelic disco. Sometimes. 197 00:09:37,589 --> 00:09:40,028 In a kind of frozen north sort of way. 198 00:09:40,029 --> 00:09:42,174 This theme of bespoke design 199 00:09:42,176 --> 00:09:46,268 would need to be threaded into everything, including the costumes. 200 00:09:46,269 --> 00:09:48,468 I think every costume on this show 201 00:09:48,469 --> 00:09:51,628 is incredibly thought about and impressive. 202 00:09:51,629 --> 00:09:56,028 It's kind of a free for all because it's this alternative world. 203 00:09:56,029 --> 00:09:59,115 The clothes you wear determine the way people see you. 204 00:09:59,117 --> 00:10:02,147 It's interesting, the style of the show and the sort of period, 205 00:10:02,149 --> 00:10:04,908 because it's kind of not set in a particular period. 206 00:10:04,909 --> 00:10:09,068 Again, we have that freedom to explore, it could be '40s, 207 00:10:09,069 --> 00:10:11,948 but we push the boundaries of that and modernise it slightly. 208 00:10:11,949 --> 00:10:15,388 - I like it. - Blue is quite your colour. 209 00:10:15,389 --> 00:10:18,868 That era where you're never without a shirt and a tie, you know, 210 00:10:18,869 --> 00:10:21,548 even if you're not wearing a suit, you've got a shirt and a tie. 211 00:10:21,549 --> 00:10:23,188 And this might be one of the only times 212 00:10:23,189 --> 00:10:25,788 you don't see his shirt and tie. 213 00:10:25,789 --> 00:10:28,348 From my point of view, the books give me 214 00:10:28,349 --> 00:10:32,268 all the guidance that I need. 215 00:10:32,269 --> 00:10:34,333 I'm always going back to the books to find out 216 00:10:34,335 --> 00:10:36,268 what Pullman has said about different characters 217 00:10:36,269 --> 00:10:38,068 and what Pullman has said about the world. 218 00:10:38,069 --> 00:10:41,268 There has to be a logic within Lyra's world. 219 00:10:41,269 --> 00:10:46,228 We've dressed people in non-definable clothing. 220 00:10:46,229 --> 00:10:49,428 It's trying to mix up things that exist 221 00:10:49,429 --> 00:10:54,308 and create a look that you believe, but is timeless. 222 00:10:54,309 --> 00:10:56,082 There's different technologies in Lyra's world. 223 00:10:56,084 --> 00:10:57,506 They travel by zeppelin 224 00:10:57,508 --> 00:11:01,427 so there would be certain things, fabrics and technology, 225 00:11:01,429 --> 00:11:03,268 that wouldn't exist in Lyra's world, 226 00:11:03,269 --> 00:11:05,828 so that then will influence how people dress. 227 00:11:05,829 --> 00:11:07,541 The costumes are really interesting. 228 00:11:07,543 --> 00:11:10,868 There's something slightly military to him, even though he's a, 229 00:11:10,869 --> 00:11:14,308 he's been a theologian and he is a scientist. 230 00:11:14,309 --> 00:11:16,228 He's also an adventurer and explorer, 231 00:11:16,229 --> 00:11:18,228 I think we've reflected that really well. 232 00:11:18,229 --> 00:11:22,188 I loved the first costume of all of them. 233 00:11:22,189 --> 00:11:24,668 But then I got my beautiful fur coat, 234 00:11:24,669 --> 00:11:27,148 which is a bit of a pain when you're doing location 235 00:11:27,149 --> 00:11:28,668 and it's boiling hot in September, 236 00:11:28,669 --> 00:11:32,708 but it's great for when you're at the studio and it's freezing. 237 00:11:32,709 --> 00:11:34,108 Do you trust me? 238 00:11:34,109 --> 00:11:37,028 Caroline is an incredible designer and we had good fun, actually, 239 00:11:37,029 --> 00:11:39,868 because the Gyptians are so cool. 240 00:11:39,869 --> 00:11:42,908 You'll see, when you see all of the extras and everything, 241 00:11:42,909 --> 00:11:45,708 we were like, "We are so cool!" 242 00:11:45,709 --> 00:11:49,028 Um, so we do, we have a great old time with our costumes. 243 00:11:49,029 --> 00:11:51,945 With the Gyptians, their clothing has to be practical, 244 00:11:51,947 --> 00:11:54,788 and there's a sense of history with the Gyptians, 245 00:11:54,789 --> 00:11:58,908 so their clothing should look like it's been passed down. 246 00:11:58,909 --> 00:12:02,468 So it's all mended, it's broken down. 247 00:12:02,469 --> 00:12:07,141 The Gyptians have a harmony, a real harmony with their daemons, 248 00:12:07,143 --> 00:12:10,788 and so they celebrate that with their jewellery 249 00:12:10,789 --> 00:12:14,588 and, um, some of the patterns I've put into their clothing 250 00:12:14,589 --> 00:12:15,789 and their knitwear. 251 00:12:17,149 --> 00:12:21,428 I don't think anybody could really say what Lee Scoresby, 252 00:12:21,429 --> 00:12:23,548 what his look was going to be. 253 00:12:23,549 --> 00:12:26,108 And I had this sort of quite strong idea 254 00:12:26,109 --> 00:12:28,948 taking in more of the fact that he's an aviator 255 00:12:28,949 --> 00:12:30,336 and he's in this balloon, 256 00:12:30,338 --> 00:12:34,187 give him the kind of Texan-ish vibe from the book. 257 00:12:34,189 --> 00:12:36,868 Yeah, man, I have never dressed more badass in my life. 258 00:12:36,869 --> 00:12:41,228 I've worn blouses on stage, I've worn guayaberas on stage, 259 00:12:41,229 --> 00:12:44,908 uh, but, like, going full steampunk cowboy is, 260 00:12:44,909 --> 00:12:48,309 is very much my aesthetic. I'm very much enjoying it. 261 00:12:50,189 --> 00:12:52,441 I've had these most, I mean, glorious costumes. 262 00:12:52,443 --> 00:12:54,308 I mean, the best thing about this job is, you know, 263 00:12:54,309 --> 00:12:55,628 that she's going to look good. 264 00:12:55,629 --> 00:12:57,748 You know, she wears heels in the Arctic. 265 00:12:57,749 --> 00:12:59,351 I mean, everything's been made for me as well, 266 00:12:59,353 --> 00:13:03,987 so it's a real pleasure to have these things designed and made. 267 00:13:03,989 --> 00:13:07,668 I love my big Arctic outfit. 268 00:13:07,669 --> 00:13:10,748 I had a very clear idea of how I saw Mrs. Coulter. 269 00:13:10,749 --> 00:13:13,628 She had to have a beautiful, but really practical coat. 270 00:13:13,629 --> 00:13:18,028 I'm really, really pleased with it. I think she looks fantastic in it. 271 00:13:18,029 --> 00:13:22,188 The costumes aren't the only part of a character's persona, 272 00:13:22,189 --> 00:13:24,771 there are also their daemons to think about. 273 00:13:24,773 --> 00:13:27,987 Bringing these to life was an immense challenge. 274 00:13:27,989 --> 00:13:30,172 We went through hundreds of iterations 275 00:13:30,174 --> 00:13:31,508 of how we could do the daemons. 276 00:13:31,509 --> 00:13:33,508 And in the end we went back to Philip's version. 277 00:13:33,509 --> 00:13:36,668 There's so many things that are impossible to do on screen 278 00:13:36,669 --> 00:13:39,108 that he sets us the challenge to do. 279 00:13:39,109 --> 00:13:42,628 They have to be CGI. I mean, that was really clear, 280 00:13:42,629 --> 00:13:47,028 full-on, furry critters, CGI, photo-real. 281 00:13:47,029 --> 00:13:49,588 Those daemon animals have to give a performance. 282 00:13:49,589 --> 00:13:52,228 They are representing something 283 00:13:52,229 --> 00:13:54,228 of what the character is thinking or feeling. 284 00:13:54,229 --> 00:13:57,228 No, Lyra, don't! The retiring room is expressly forbidden. 285 00:13:57,229 --> 00:14:01,913 Making photo-real, nuanced visual effects creations as creatures 286 00:14:01,915 --> 00:14:04,908 or characters is kind of our bread and butter, it's what we do. 287 00:14:04,909 --> 00:14:06,948 The worry was the volume. 288 00:14:06,949 --> 00:14:10,748 A show like this, you know, it has what is, what is undeniably 289 00:14:10,749 --> 00:14:14,428 a high level of visual effects as its baseline 290 00:14:14,429 --> 00:14:17,148 because it is very much part of the pulse of the show. 291 00:14:17,149 --> 00:14:20,581 Probably one of the hardest creatures that we've had to create 292 00:14:20,583 --> 00:14:22,802 is the Golden Monkey because that is a character that, 293 00:14:22,804 --> 00:14:24,696 first of all, and it's no small feat, 294 00:14:24,698 --> 00:14:26,285 has to play alongside Ruth Wilson. 295 00:14:26,287 --> 00:14:27,908 And we have to support her performance. 296 00:14:27,909 --> 00:14:29,828 Sometimes we have to be part of her performance 297 00:14:29,829 --> 00:14:31,708 and sometimes we just have to get out of the way 298 00:14:31,709 --> 00:14:33,291 whilst still having a monkey on screen. 299 00:14:33,293 --> 00:14:35,715 And we have to do all that with something that doesn't talk, 300 00:14:35,717 --> 00:14:38,459 so we have to do all that with various, with body language 301 00:14:38,461 --> 00:14:40,347 and just nuanced facial expressions. 302 00:14:40,349 --> 00:14:43,508 We have these daemons, which adds a whole other dimension 303 00:14:43,509 --> 00:14:46,588 to what this, what Philip Pullman's world is about, 304 00:14:46,589 --> 00:14:48,228 that are with you all the time. 305 00:14:48,229 --> 00:14:50,468 So to put that on screen is quite difficult. 306 00:14:50,469 --> 00:14:52,588 And in the end they decided that on the day, 307 00:14:52,589 --> 00:14:55,548 we would have a series of puppets that would help us, 308 00:14:55,549 --> 00:15:01,788 but also the camera team and also the CGI guys on the other side 309 00:15:01,789 --> 00:15:04,468 to work out what our daemons were doing. 310 00:15:04,469 --> 00:15:08,228 So we had to build representations of those things 311 00:15:08,229 --> 00:15:10,228 that would give the actors an understanding 312 00:15:10,229 --> 00:15:12,708 of the space that they filled and the weight that they might be 313 00:15:12,709 --> 00:15:15,708 and the interactions that they had with them, 314 00:15:15,709 --> 00:15:18,988 without it being too overly present. 315 00:15:18,989 --> 00:15:22,908 Uh, the directors also wanted some emotional sense of this thing, 316 00:15:22,909 --> 00:15:25,748 because it's not good enough just to have a ball on a stick, 317 00:15:25,749 --> 00:15:28,708 you know, you need something to respond to. 318 00:15:28,709 --> 00:15:30,530 Here we go again. 319 00:15:30,532 --> 00:15:32,268 - Friendly place. - Yeah. 320 00:15:32,269 --> 00:15:33,890 And working with Framestore, 321 00:15:33,892 --> 00:15:36,188 we knew they had to fill the space, almost. 322 00:15:36,189 --> 00:15:38,412 They had to be smaller than the final thing 323 00:15:38,414 --> 00:15:43,896 because they could move and affect people, objects, 324 00:15:43,898 --> 00:15:45,908 props, bits of scenery. 325 00:15:45,909 --> 00:15:50,228 Having a reference for performance or timing or rhythm in a scene 326 00:15:50,229 --> 00:15:51,988 is really, really helpful. 327 00:15:51,989 --> 00:15:54,868 For example, Brian, who played the Golden Monkey exclusively, 328 00:15:54,869 --> 00:15:58,748 who pretty much became Ruth Wilson's own daemon, he was incredible. 329 00:15:58,749 --> 00:16:00,941 You know, he would pick up on the rhythm of a scene really, 330 00:16:00,943 --> 00:16:02,445 really beautifully and start picking up 331 00:16:02,447 --> 00:16:05,187 the nuance of what the monkey would do and why and where. 332 00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:07,028 And although we sometimes changed the position, 333 00:16:07,029 --> 00:16:08,988 there was kind of like an energy on camera 334 00:16:08,989 --> 00:16:11,348 that he put into it that really, really helped us. 335 00:16:11,349 --> 00:16:13,028 And even though over time in the edit, 336 00:16:13,029 --> 00:16:15,828 the emotion of a scene may change or the timing of a scene may change, 337 00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:19,601 it's always really good to have the initial sort of on set instinct 338 00:16:19,603 --> 00:16:21,948 of a puppeteer and a director with a puppeteer. 339 00:16:21,949 --> 00:16:25,388 So they were pivotal for us being able to get through the show. 340 00:16:25,389 --> 00:16:28,184 A puppet would be used in a pass to say, 341 00:16:28,186 --> 00:16:30,428 "Well, it's over here and this is what it's going to do". 342 00:16:30,429 --> 00:16:33,388 It may scurry up, it may be sitting still. 343 00:16:33,389 --> 00:16:38,471 But we have an emotional accuracy in where it is, at the right time, 344 00:16:38,473 --> 00:16:41,188 and get the beats that are part of the story. 345 00:16:41,189 --> 00:16:43,348 Lyra, the gift the Master gave you. 346 00:16:43,349 --> 00:16:46,908 They're so amazing, they really do help because if not you're like, 347 00:16:46,909 --> 00:16:49,508 "Where's Pan?" But then you do the pass, 348 00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:52,628 and you're like, "Oh, this clears everything". 349 00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:55,258 And it's so fun working with them 350 00:16:55,260 --> 00:16:58,722 because the people who do it are really nice also. 351 00:16:58,724 --> 00:17:03,134 Did I keep any? I, I, I... I got an ermine. 352 00:17:03,136 --> 00:17:04,518 Oh, I love my puppet! 353 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,948 Yeah, I love, I love Brian, I love my puppet. 354 00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:08,612 I'm like, "Brian, where are you?" 355 00:17:08,614 --> 00:17:11,347 Every time I do a scene I'm like, "Brian!" 356 00:17:11,349 --> 00:17:13,628 Coming in as Golden Monkey performer, 357 00:17:13,629 --> 00:17:15,268 it was very exciting because they said, 358 00:17:15,269 --> 00:17:17,028 "All right, we've got Ruth Wilson, 359 00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:19,068 we want you to work with her as the Golden Monkey. 360 00:17:19,069 --> 00:17:21,068 You are going to be one concise unit, 361 00:17:21,069 --> 00:17:22,748 so you need to be able to work together". 362 00:17:22,749 --> 00:17:25,148 Which means Ruth and I got a rehearsal room 363 00:17:25,149 --> 00:17:27,428 for a week and a half straight, pretty much. 364 00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:31,068 She's never worked with VFX, uh, in this capacity, 365 00:17:31,069 --> 00:17:34,548 so having something that is there that is also not there. 366 00:17:34,549 --> 00:17:38,308 So it was very exciting just to create that world with her. 367 00:17:38,309 --> 00:17:41,067 He was giving me some monkey moves, because he walks like a mon... 368 00:17:41,069 --> 00:17:43,587 Well, you know, he sort of animates like a monkey, 369 00:17:43,589 --> 00:17:46,268 so he would help me work out anything I want to bring 370 00:17:46,269 --> 00:17:48,948 into Mrs. Coulter in terms of body language. 371 00:17:48,949 --> 00:17:51,548 We worked out a very important 372 00:17:51,549 --> 00:17:54,028 psychological relationship between the two. 373 00:17:54,029 --> 00:17:56,109 To make sure that all the daemons were 374 00:17:56,111 --> 00:17:58,748 as accurate and realistic as possible, 375 00:17:58,749 --> 00:18:01,228 the production team had an expert on hand. 376 00:18:01,229 --> 00:18:04,708 So I worked with the creature department building the puppets 377 00:18:04,709 --> 00:18:07,948 so we would get them, I would get them sort of reference, 378 00:18:07,949 --> 00:18:10,148 um, sizes and measurements and colours 379 00:18:10,149 --> 00:18:12,428 and we'd say, "This is what it should look like". 380 00:18:12,429 --> 00:18:13,941 Another property is, we, um, 381 00:18:13,943 --> 00:18:16,947 when they first started, they would often come into my office 382 00:18:16,949 --> 00:18:18,517 and kind of look at the footage that we'd got 383 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:21,511 so they could get a feel for how the animals moved. 384 00:18:21,513 --> 00:18:23,707 The monkey, as well, with Brian was another one 385 00:18:23,709 --> 00:18:25,071 that was obviously a big, big character 386 00:18:25,073 --> 00:18:27,828 that we wanted to get as much emotion into as possible. 387 00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:28,908 Because it doesn't speak, 388 00:18:28,910 --> 00:18:31,388 so the only development of that character comes from movement. 389 00:18:32,589 --> 00:18:35,188 One of the best things, in my eyes as a biologist, from the books, 390 00:18:35,189 --> 00:18:36,908 is that Philip Pullman did such a good job 391 00:18:36,909 --> 00:18:39,031 of casting the animals for the daemons. 392 00:18:39,033 --> 00:18:41,507 Some of the more solitary characters 393 00:18:41,509 --> 00:18:43,228 like Lord Asriel has a snow leopard, 394 00:18:43,229 --> 00:18:44,571 and you just think, you know, 395 00:18:44,573 --> 00:18:47,587 that snow leopards as a kind of species in real life, 396 00:18:47,589 --> 00:18:49,948 uh, you know, they're kind of mysterious, 397 00:18:49,949 --> 00:18:51,988 they're kind of very enigmatic and charismatic, 398 00:18:51,989 --> 00:18:55,107 they survive by themselves in very harsh environments, 399 00:18:55,109 --> 00:18:57,468 and you think, "Well, actually, that's what Lord Asriel is". 400 00:18:57,469 --> 00:19:00,148 We actually worked together. 401 00:19:00,149 --> 00:19:02,228 You're working with another actor in a lot of ways. 402 00:19:02,229 --> 00:19:03,748 And I love Stelmaria 403 00:19:03,749 --> 00:19:08,148 and I love the fact that we can work symbiotically as a duo 404 00:19:08,149 --> 00:19:11,469 because everybody in Lyra's world works as a duo. 405 00:19:12,389 --> 00:19:14,228 So even just walking into a room we were like, 406 00:19:14,229 --> 00:19:16,348 "Who walks in first, me or Stel?" 407 00:19:16,349 --> 00:19:18,868 You know, and it's like, I think it's a dangerous situation. 408 00:19:18,869 --> 00:19:20,028 I think Stel might go first 409 00:19:20,029 --> 00:19:21,491 as her senses are more in tune than mine, 410 00:19:21,493 --> 00:19:23,915 so she'd maybe run in, scope it, and I come in after her. 411 00:19:23,917 --> 00:19:25,908 Do you know what I mean? And that's quite... 412 00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:28,828 Just decisions like that are really interesting to me. 413 00:19:28,829 --> 00:19:33,908 Lyuba, soul, companion and protector of my son. 414 00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:35,908 That was really, really useful 415 00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:38,588 just because it constantly reminded us of their presence. 416 00:19:38,589 --> 00:19:41,068 Just to have a tangible nature of something, 417 00:19:41,069 --> 00:19:43,908 just for its height, for the way it might move, 418 00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:46,519 for the size of it, you know, or the weight of it. 419 00:19:46,521 --> 00:19:48,799 You know, if you've got a bird on your arm, 420 00:19:48,801 --> 00:19:50,708 then it's very important to storytell 421 00:19:50,709 --> 00:19:52,908 that there is some weight behind that. 422 00:19:52,909 --> 00:19:53,971 It informs everything, 423 00:19:53,973 --> 00:19:56,755 it's sort of the missing actors in the scene at any given time. 424 00:19:56,757 --> 00:19:58,739 It's really wonderful, and the puppeteers here 425 00:19:58,741 --> 00:20:00,423 are so incredible that, you know, 426 00:20:00,425 --> 00:20:03,467 as soon as Hester's in their hands, she comes to life. 427 00:20:03,469 --> 00:20:04,948 Especially with children around, 428 00:20:04,949 --> 00:20:07,251 it's important that those puppets were there, I think. 429 00:20:07,253 --> 00:20:08,395 It doesn't take very long 430 00:20:08,397 --> 00:20:10,779 for a child to attach something to a puppet, you know. 431 00:20:10,781 --> 00:20:12,763 And watching that has been really good fun. 432 00:20:12,765 --> 00:20:14,547 They're vital to the piece, 433 00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:17,827 and without that, it wouldn't be the show it is. 434 00:20:17,829 --> 00:20:19,988 Yes, we are in a world full of make-believe and magic, 435 00:20:19,989 --> 00:20:23,508 but it helps to have a little magical assistance, shall we say. 436 00:20:25,749 --> 00:20:29,388 The daemons weren't the only magical component to this story. 437 00:20:29,389 --> 00:20:34,108 There was one particular prop that was integral to the show. 438 00:20:34,109 --> 00:20:37,228 - What is it? - It's an alethiometer. 439 00:20:37,229 --> 00:20:38,948 If you read Philip's description, 440 00:20:38,949 --> 00:20:41,886 it embodies the description of Lyra's alethiometer, 441 00:20:41,888 --> 00:20:44,828 but it's practically, it's just has a different form to it. 442 00:20:44,829 --> 00:20:46,588 And that also fits more, I think, 443 00:20:46,589 --> 00:20:50,736 with the mid-century sense of timelessness that we were going for 444 00:20:50,738 --> 00:20:53,668 than perhaps something that feels more elaborate. 445 00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:57,148 I loved the alethiometer, it's brilliant, it's really heavy. 446 00:20:57,149 --> 00:21:00,348 I actually had, like, the shoulder bag from Mrs. Coulter's episode, 447 00:21:00,349 --> 00:21:03,668 it kept on breaking because of the weight of it. 448 00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:06,668 But it's amazing. It has literally all of the drawings. 449 00:21:06,669 --> 00:21:08,708 You can, like, move the needles. 450 00:21:08,709 --> 00:21:10,868 This is another bit of a design journey 451 00:21:10,869 --> 00:21:13,828 because of what it means to the audience, what it means to the book. 452 00:21:13,829 --> 00:21:15,451 And with the alethiometer, there wasn't really 453 00:21:15,453 --> 00:21:18,267 a conscious decision to make it not round, 454 00:21:18,269 --> 00:21:21,188 'cause it is kind of round as it were, 455 00:21:21,189 --> 00:21:24,068 uh, but there was a kind of feeling I had that 456 00:21:24,069 --> 00:21:26,708 I didn't really want it to look like a Victorian pocket watch. 457 00:21:26,709 --> 00:21:29,982 Ironically, actually, I was trying to find something that probably 458 00:21:29,984 --> 00:21:32,529 was not inside the mind of the fans, 459 00:21:32,531 --> 00:21:36,428 ie, round, for a start, because I wanted to explore other shapes 460 00:21:36,429 --> 00:21:38,749 and feelings and sizes. 461 00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:43,228 It wasn't to be controversial, it was actually just, 462 00:21:43,229 --> 00:21:46,598 um, trying to not push the audience away 463 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,268 because they'd go, "Well, I'm not interested in 464 00:21:48,269 --> 00:21:50,908 a Victorian pocket watch", you know? Just... 465 00:21:50,909 --> 00:21:53,588 I wanted it to, like, look special. 466 00:21:53,589 --> 00:21:56,308 I break everything, but I did not break the alethiometer, 467 00:21:56,309 --> 00:21:58,748 because Props were like, "If you break the alethiometer, 468 00:21:58,749 --> 00:22:00,148 that is very expensive". 469 00:22:00,149 --> 00:22:03,588 I think our alethiometer is really special. 470 00:22:03,589 --> 00:22:09,148 Um, and it's special in its own way and I hope people will like it. 471 00:22:09,149 --> 00:22:13,988 From designing the little details to construction on a grand scale, 472 00:22:13,989 --> 00:22:17,908 production really did impress with their Nordic fishing town. 473 00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:20,548 Trollesund in particular has been my favourite 474 00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:24,308 because you really are transported to a small, gritty, 475 00:22:24,309 --> 00:22:28,308 hard-bitten, dangerous outpost somewhere far, far away. 476 00:22:28,309 --> 00:22:30,578 Go see the witches' consul, get whatever help you can 477 00:22:30,580 --> 00:22:32,468 and then we leave here as fast as possible. 478 00:22:32,469 --> 00:22:35,548 And they've got half a dead whale and the blubber machine, 479 00:22:35,549 --> 00:22:38,388 and it's just all so real and visceral. 480 00:22:38,389 --> 00:22:40,388 Just blows my mind. 481 00:22:40,389 --> 00:22:45,028 It's exactly what you want when you're fulfilling a fantasy world 482 00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:47,228 that so many people have imagined in their own minds. 483 00:22:47,229 --> 00:22:48,788 I was looking at a window 484 00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:51,628 and there was, like, lentils or something, 485 00:22:51,629 --> 00:22:54,868 but it had a label about how much these were. 486 00:22:54,869 --> 00:22:57,028 Now, that was never, ever going to be featured, 487 00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:59,228 all those jars and bottles and things, 488 00:22:59,229 --> 00:23:02,879 but someone had taken the time to do all that, 489 00:23:02,881 --> 00:23:04,748 and that's what gives it... 490 00:23:04,749 --> 00:23:06,668 You think it doesn't matter, 491 00:23:06,669 --> 00:23:08,668 you think, "Well, nobody's going to see that". 492 00:23:08,669 --> 00:23:11,468 But actually, it does matter. 493 00:23:11,469 --> 00:23:15,308 Building this entire town wasn't an ostentatious affair. 494 00:23:15,309 --> 00:23:17,908 There was actually a pragmatic thought process behind it. 495 00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:20,508 Dan May and I were very closely working together, as we do. 496 00:23:20,509 --> 00:23:23,708 He saw it as a kind of weak spot. We know it's going to be expensive, 497 00:23:23,709 --> 00:23:26,388 we know it's going to be a huge undertaking to do it authentically, 498 00:23:26,389 --> 00:23:27,548 do it well 499 00:23:27,549 --> 00:23:29,908 when actually, the cost of the bear and the daemons 500 00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:32,028 and things like that are going to be extraordinary 501 00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:34,508 and if you then put environmental work in every shot, 502 00:23:34,509 --> 00:23:35,948 you've got real problems. 503 00:23:35,949 --> 00:23:38,228 It was an amazing feat, it was literally a whole town 504 00:23:38,229 --> 00:23:42,628 with interiors, exteriors, a dock, roofs and it was for one episode. 505 00:23:42,629 --> 00:23:45,948 We literally squeezed every bit of that town out for that episode, 506 00:23:45,949 --> 00:23:48,428 and I think it's very exciting. 507 00:23:48,429 --> 00:23:49,934 Dan May and I, we'd work together 508 00:23:49,936 --> 00:23:52,068 because I'd want him to try and work out 509 00:23:52,069 --> 00:23:54,908 the gap between the VFX and live action world with me, you know. 510 00:23:54,909 --> 00:23:57,668 It's what we do, him and I have worked together for years. 511 00:23:57,669 --> 00:24:00,428 By the time Trollesund came round in pre-production, 512 00:24:00,429 --> 00:24:02,188 we already had, um, 513 00:24:02,189 --> 00:24:06,428 done a lot of concept art for Joel and what we thought it would be. 514 00:24:06,429 --> 00:24:09,108 And then from that, we generated a bunch of buildings and things 515 00:24:09,109 --> 00:24:12,388 and you can orientate them around into various different layouts. 516 00:24:12,389 --> 00:24:16,388 We had to basically find this location that really didn't exist. 517 00:24:16,389 --> 00:24:20,908 We found this quarry, so part of the process was to scan and plan 518 00:24:20,909 --> 00:24:25,348 that environment out so that we could do some 3D storyboarding 519 00:24:25,349 --> 00:24:29,748 and some more complicated pre-vis sequences involving the bear. 520 00:24:29,749 --> 00:24:32,668 Um, so two big sequences we did were 521 00:24:32,669 --> 00:24:36,229 the bear armour retrieval sequence. 522 00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:39,788 If it was a normal chase scene with humans, 523 00:24:39,789 --> 00:24:43,348 you'd shoot it very, very phonetically and cutty 524 00:24:43,349 --> 00:24:45,148 and you'd have a lot of different shots in it 525 00:24:45,149 --> 00:24:47,291 and you'd kind of, you'd fly the camera round the place. 526 00:24:47,293 --> 00:24:48,955 And what we saw in the pre-vis 527 00:24:48,957 --> 00:24:52,427 was actually by slowing it down and seeing the sort of 528 00:24:52,429 --> 00:24:56,708 scale and geography of this enormous beast rampaging through town. 529 00:24:56,709 --> 00:24:58,428 So because of the pre-vis, 530 00:24:58,429 --> 00:24:59,788 I actually ended up shooting it 531 00:24:59,789 --> 00:25:02,628 a lot, a lot simpler than I would have without the pre-vis, 532 00:25:02,629 --> 00:25:05,068 which means you save an enormous amount of time, 533 00:25:05,069 --> 00:25:07,508 you save an enormous amount of money on VFX. 534 00:25:07,509 --> 00:25:11,948 So it's an expensive process, pre-vis, but it's, without question, 535 00:25:11,949 --> 00:25:14,988 does... you know, absolutely, definitely saves you time 536 00:25:14,989 --> 00:25:17,868 and is a really, really supportive thing, 537 00:25:17,869 --> 00:25:21,188 both from a production level, but also creatively as well. 538 00:25:21,189 --> 00:25:23,308 Iorek is key to this story 539 00:25:23,309 --> 00:25:27,268 and like the daemons, he needed to be represented on set. 540 00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:30,988 Performing this role was a novel experience for Joe. 541 00:25:30,989 --> 00:25:33,948 Iorek Byrnison, can we talk with you? 542 00:25:33,949 --> 00:25:37,348 I know the people you are seeking. 543 00:25:37,349 --> 00:25:39,548 I've done characters and voiceovers work 544 00:25:39,549 --> 00:25:40,988 and motion capture before, 545 00:25:40,989 --> 00:25:42,868 but obviously I've never done puppeteering, 546 00:25:42,869 --> 00:25:45,336 which was... It's a challenge. 547 00:25:45,338 --> 00:25:47,548 I mean, if you've never done it before, it's quite challenging. 548 00:25:47,549 --> 00:25:50,308 When you play a character like this, 549 00:25:50,309 --> 00:25:53,788 you'll have to know how they move before you know how they act, 550 00:25:53,789 --> 00:25:56,645 like, before you start acting. And so it was very important for me 551 00:25:56,647 --> 00:25:58,619 to understand the weight of him, you know, 552 00:25:58,621 --> 00:26:02,828 I can't move my feet the way that a polar bear moves his front paws. 553 00:26:02,829 --> 00:26:06,268 And so was important to understand all of that technically 554 00:26:06,269 --> 00:26:08,508 before we started filming it, 555 00:26:08,509 --> 00:26:11,508 but also very important for the other actors, I think, and me 556 00:26:11,509 --> 00:26:14,748 to, um, to have in those scenes 557 00:26:14,749 --> 00:26:17,588 because it just helps the whole atmosphere of 558 00:26:17,589 --> 00:26:20,868 having a giant creature next to you. 559 00:26:20,869 --> 00:26:24,628 The reference dots, um, as glamorous as they are, 560 00:26:24,629 --> 00:26:27,046 uh, you, yeah, you kind of forget about it, 561 00:26:27,048 --> 00:26:29,028 it becomes part of the costume, really. 562 00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:31,724 So when I have the camera in front of my face 563 00:26:31,726 --> 00:26:33,748 it captures all of the movements that I have 564 00:26:33,749 --> 00:26:37,388 and they use the dots as references to drive the animation. 565 00:26:37,389 --> 00:26:40,588 But it's so rewarding because it's so liberating. 566 00:26:40,589 --> 00:26:43,908 You know, you get to... It's very theatrical in a sense 567 00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:48,428 that you get to play this larger-than-life character. 568 00:26:48,429 --> 00:26:50,668 And I love playing larger-than-life characters 569 00:26:50,669 --> 00:26:53,668 because it means that you have to use your creativity 570 00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:57,468 and your imagination to, to realistically produce 571 00:26:57,469 --> 00:27:00,388 something that people can relate to. 572 00:27:00,389 --> 00:27:03,949 I am not for sale. 573 00:27:05,429 --> 00:27:08,628 Whilst Joe dedicated himself to performing Iorek, 574 00:27:08,629 --> 00:27:11,708 there was still a technical issue to deal with. 575 00:27:11,709 --> 00:27:15,148 How would Dafne ride this enormous bear? 576 00:27:15,149 --> 00:27:18,998 We didn't want to just have a digital version of Lyra, you know, 577 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,948 galloping along on a digital polar bear, so we had to build something. 578 00:27:22,949 --> 00:27:24,611 We didn't want it to be mechanical, 579 00:27:24,613 --> 00:27:28,388 because the repetition of a mechanical device, 580 00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:31,548 a clockwork sort of device, is always visible. 581 00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:35,589 The best option for this is to have a rig that is puppeteered. 582 00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:42,577 One of our rigs was a child carrier with the shoulders 583 00:27:42,579 --> 00:27:45,828 and neck of the bear set on top of it 584 00:27:45,829 --> 00:27:50,388 that in the sort of motion of the puppeteer underneath, 585 00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:53,229 it would seem like Lyra was riding a bear. 586 00:27:55,469 --> 00:27:57,068 Oh, I enjoy the riding. 587 00:27:57,069 --> 00:27:59,828 There's, like, this really weird, like, mechanic riding rig 588 00:27:59,829 --> 00:28:01,868 which also has, like, puppeteers underneath it, 589 00:28:01,869 --> 00:28:04,468 but still, it's mechanic. It's really heavy for them. 590 00:28:04,469 --> 00:28:07,548 It was so bouncy when we did the test that they had to, like, 591 00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:09,948 strap me onto it because I was, like, jumping that much. 592 00:28:09,949 --> 00:28:11,908 It was like, boing, boing, boing. 593 00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:15,428 Pragmatic problem-solving wasn't exclusive to Iorek. 594 00:28:15,429 --> 00:28:19,708 A huge amount of thought went into adapting our queen witch, 595 00:28:19,709 --> 00:28:21,149 Serafina Pekkala. 596 00:28:22,229 --> 00:28:25,126 We tried lots of different things with, with the make up 597 00:28:25,128 --> 00:28:28,809 and the hair initially to figure out who, 598 00:28:28,811 --> 00:28:31,948 who really she is and what we want to bring to her. 599 00:28:31,949 --> 00:28:34,519 Because obviously, the look of Serafina 600 00:28:34,521 --> 00:28:36,308 is different from the description in the book, 601 00:28:36,309 --> 00:28:38,588 and I'm sure a lot of people will be wondering why 602 00:28:38,589 --> 00:28:41,348 we've decided to go with, with the short hair, 603 00:28:41,349 --> 00:28:43,798 and one of the reasons behind that was, so, 604 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,987 in the book she flies on a broomstick, 605 00:28:45,989 --> 00:28:49,068 and we wanted to make her really powerful. 606 00:28:49,069 --> 00:28:52,948 And the idea that she flies, that this is her cloud-pine, 607 00:28:52,949 --> 00:28:56,988 and that she flies using wind thermals and currents, 608 00:28:56,989 --> 00:29:00,908 which is going to be incredibly cool and quick and fast 609 00:29:00,909 --> 00:29:04,268 and if you're doing that and you've got long, flowing hair, 610 00:29:04,269 --> 00:29:07,508 it's going to be distracting and inhibiting for her. 611 00:29:07,509 --> 00:29:11,748 So we wanted to make her strong and powerful and not a... 612 00:29:11,749 --> 00:29:16,868 Without any vanity whatsoever, so we kept the hair short and fixed. 613 00:29:16,869 --> 00:29:20,148 And, um, and the make up, this, 614 00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:24,028 was how we denoted that she is a queen, 615 00:29:24,029 --> 00:29:27,548 rather than the very delicate flowers. 616 00:29:27,549 --> 00:29:30,188 That's the whole other journey that I've been on, 617 00:29:30,189 --> 00:29:32,708 to learn about visual effects. 618 00:29:32,709 --> 00:29:35,330 For example, the witches in the book are described as 619 00:29:35,332 --> 00:29:38,388 wrapped in ribbons of black silk. 620 00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:41,948 So ribbons of silk flying all over the place 621 00:29:41,949 --> 00:29:43,211 would have been a nightmare, 622 00:29:43,213 --> 00:29:45,627 but I was still trying to cling to the fact 623 00:29:45,629 --> 00:29:49,308 that it's fabric that's wrapped round the body. 624 00:29:49,309 --> 00:29:54,828 We had to make a costume that would look, um, of the Earth, 625 00:29:54,829 --> 00:29:58,748 of the forest. Like she had just wrapped rags around her, 626 00:29:58,749 --> 00:30:01,011 but also be sturdy enough for her to fly, 627 00:30:01,013 --> 00:30:04,707 for me to have a harness underneath my costume. 628 00:30:04,709 --> 00:30:07,148 Uh, I've done a little bit of wire work before this job, 629 00:30:07,149 --> 00:30:10,348 but, um, but nothing quite as extensive as this. 630 00:30:10,349 --> 00:30:13,788 Most fun I think I've ever had on set. 631 00:30:13,789 --> 00:30:16,228 It's incredible, you actually feel like you're flying. 632 00:30:16,229 --> 00:30:17,468 I am here to help. 633 00:30:17,469 --> 00:30:20,948 It's just remarkable, the journey from a bow and arrow 634 00:30:20,949 --> 00:30:23,988 to tiny, tiny little daggers 635 00:30:23,989 --> 00:30:29,508 and the idea behind that being just very short, sharp lethal weapons. 636 00:30:29,509 --> 00:30:33,228 It's such a brilliant idea and just feeds into your character more. 637 00:30:33,229 --> 00:30:35,188 With such high expectations, 638 00:30:35,189 --> 00:30:37,268 how are our cast and crew feeling 639 00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:39,388 about being a part of this adaptation? 640 00:30:39,389 --> 00:30:42,708 It is an honour, and it is a tremendous honour 641 00:30:42,709 --> 00:30:45,908 to be given the opportunity to adapt books this beautiful. 642 00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:50,548 I hope we do it well. 'Cause if we don't, I'll be gutted as a fan. 643 00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:51,988 To get that tone right, 644 00:30:51,989 --> 00:30:55,668 and to give the fans what they want is quite a daunting challenge. 645 00:30:55,669 --> 00:31:00,108 Have this extraordinary fondness for the, the ideas in this project. 646 00:31:00,109 --> 00:31:04,948 We are trying to be as true to the books as we can. 647 00:31:04,949 --> 00:31:06,972 You can so easily get it wrong, 648 00:31:06,974 --> 00:31:09,028 and I'm desperately, desperately trying not to. 649 00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:11,908 I'm thrilled to be here and play Lee Scoresby, 650 00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:14,148 and be the American on set. 651 00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:17,140 With series one wrapped up and Lyra 652 00:31:17,142 --> 00:31:19,628 off on the next part of her journey, 653 00:31:19,629 --> 00:31:24,811 there'll be a whole new adventure for everyone in series two. 654 00:31:24,813 --> 00:31:27,813 - Synced and corrected by Firefly - - www.addic7ed.com - 57141

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