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Magical. 10 00:00:36,882 --> 00:00:39,049 ♪ Took me by surprise ♪ 11 00:00:39,049 --> 00:00:42,116 CARPENTER: I do remember the very first 45 I bought 12 00:00:42,116 --> 00:00:43,682 was "I Heard It through the Grapevine," 13 00:00:43,682 --> 00:00:46,549 and singing in the kitchen with my sisters. 14 00:00:46,549 --> 00:00:48,682 ♪ ...the grapevine ♪ 15 00:00:48,682 --> 00:00:50,616 ♪ Not much longer would you... ♪ 16 00:00:50,616 --> 00:00:55,116 NARRATOR: Records, cassettes, CDs, and MP3s. 17 00:00:55,116 --> 00:00:58,049 These are not just vehicles for music. 18 00:00:58,049 --> 00:01:00,516 They are reflections of ourselves 19 00:01:00,516 --> 00:01:02,249 and the times we live in. 20 00:01:02,249 --> 00:01:03,582 ♪ You turned me on ♪ 21 00:01:03,582 --> 00:01:04,982 HOROVITZ: So, you had your cassette, 22 00:01:04,982 --> 00:01:07,316 and you'd put all your favorite songs on it. 23 00:01:07,316 --> 00:01:08,749 MILNER: Make a collection 24 00:01:08,749 --> 00:01:10,249 that you wanted to give to someone you liked. 25 00:01:10,249 --> 00:01:12,916 HOROVITZ: This is how I feel, you know, about you. 26 00:01:16,082 --> 00:01:18,682 [ Classical music plays ] 27 00:01:18,682 --> 00:01:20,682 NARRATOR: As technology has evolved, 28 00:01:20,682 --> 00:01:24,149 each generation has had a format to call its own. 29 00:01:24,149 --> 00:01:27,316 When I was born, people were listening to vinyl. 30 00:01:27,316 --> 00:01:30,516 [ Graham Central Station's "Your Love" playing ] 31 00:01:34,182 --> 00:01:35,782 ♪ Your love ♪ 32 00:01:35,782 --> 00:01:38,882 McDANIELS: The first album I paid my own allowance for 33 00:01:38,882 --> 00:01:41,516 was Larry Graham and Graham Central Station. 34 00:01:41,516 --> 00:01:44,182 That was my album. 35 00:01:44,182 --> 00:01:45,849 ♪ And your kiss... ♪ 36 00:01:45,849 --> 00:01:48,282 VEGA: Everything about vinyl was great. 37 00:01:48,282 --> 00:01:50,816 The smell of it when you took it out of the package. 38 00:01:50,816 --> 00:01:52,416 JIMMY JAM: You'd get liner notes, 39 00:01:52,416 --> 00:01:53,882 which I always loved to read. 40 00:01:53,882 --> 00:01:55,082 ST. VINCENT: I knew who engineered that record, 41 00:01:55,082 --> 00:01:56,616 and I knew who produced that record. 42 00:01:56,616 --> 00:01:59,816 That was my complete and total obsession. 43 00:02:02,149 --> 00:02:04,782 NELSON: This is my modern‐day jukebox here, 44 00:02:04,782 --> 00:02:07,649 where I can hear new music as it comes out. 45 00:02:07,649 --> 00:02:10,016 They send it to me. They MP3 me. 46 00:02:12,249 --> 00:02:15,282 You can get access to all the songs on the planet, 47 00:02:15,282 --> 00:02:16,816 and I think that is brilliant. 48 00:02:16,816 --> 00:02:18,816 CHUCK D: We're heading to a whole bunch of new rules. 49 00:02:18,816 --> 00:02:21,816 Like, some people are like, "Oh, I miss going to a record store 50 00:02:21,816 --> 00:02:23,816 and just taking the record 51 00:02:23,816 --> 00:02:26,282 and opening it up and smelling the [Sniffs] 52 00:02:26,282 --> 00:02:28,282 Well, I say, "Well, you're being a romantic. 53 00:02:28,282 --> 00:02:29,482 I mean, that's wonderful. 54 00:02:29,482 --> 00:02:31,182 Let's write some books about it." 55 00:02:32,582 --> 00:02:34,149 NARRATOR: This is the story 56 00:02:34,149 --> 00:02:38,216 of our on‐again, off‐again love affair with musical formats 57 00:02:38,216 --> 00:02:42,249 and how magical pieces of wax, plastic, and silicon 58 00:02:42,249 --> 00:02:44,016 changed the world. 59 00:02:44,016 --> 00:02:48,516 All people always think their time, 60 00:02:48,516 --> 00:02:51,149 their music, was better. 61 00:02:51,149 --> 00:02:53,016 Mine actually was. 62 00:02:57,382 --> 00:02:59,716 [ Guitar strumming ] 63 00:02:59,716 --> 00:03:01,916 ‐HARRISON: What key is it in? ‐MAN: What key is it... 64 00:03:01,916 --> 00:03:04,982 McCARTNEY: It'll be in F for you. 65 00:03:05,716 --> 00:03:09,282 SPECTOR: Here we go. Just one more time. 66 00:03:09,282 --> 00:03:11,582 FRANKLIN: Right after I say, "Are you sure?" 67 00:03:11,582 --> 00:03:13,149 Da da da ‐‐ yeah. 68 00:03:13,149 --> 00:03:14,449 MAN: Oh. 69 00:03:15,849 --> 00:03:18,582 WILSON: Hal, here's how I want to do it. It's like this. 70 00:03:18,582 --> 00:03:20,782 BOWIE: All right, it's fun time. Fun time. 71 00:03:20,782 --> 00:03:23,449 ‐MAN #1: Here we go. ‐MAN #2: Oh, really? 72 00:03:23,449 --> 00:03:25,916 MAN #1: 17, take one. 73 00:03:26,416 --> 00:03:28,382 MAN #3: This will be a keeper. 74 00:03:28,382 --> 00:03:29,982 [ Woman laughs ] 75 00:03:40,782 --> 00:03:43,116 [ Up‐tempo jazz music playing ] 76 00:03:46,716 --> 00:03:48,349 BAMBAATAA: Way back, before my time, 77 00:03:48,349 --> 00:03:51,016 they had the turntable that you used to have to crank up. 78 00:03:51,016 --> 00:03:55,382 Then it has this big, fat needle with a little pin on it, 79 00:03:55,382 --> 00:03:56,916 and it could get on the record, 80 00:03:56,916 --> 00:03:58,916 and you might hear the crack and pops poppin' in it, 81 00:03:58,916 --> 00:04:02,716 and they used to hear the song comin' through a horn. 82 00:04:07,849 --> 00:04:10,649 You might not have had no bass, but you had a lot of treble, 83 00:04:10,649 --> 00:04:13,116 but you still was ready to dance with it. 84 00:04:13,116 --> 00:04:15,849 GRANATA: Those old 78 RPM records ‐‐ 85 00:04:15,849 --> 00:04:19,582 The grooves were cut into shellac and were very noisy. 86 00:04:19,582 --> 00:04:23,716 Those 78s, their playing time was three minutes, each side. 87 00:04:23,716 --> 00:04:28,116 The 78 was, you know, big, and it broke. 88 00:04:29,616 --> 00:04:31,016 [ Music stops abruptly ] 89 00:04:31,016 --> 00:04:33,116 [ Record breaking ] 90 00:04:35,016 --> 00:04:36,482 [ Big‐band music plays ] 91 00:04:36,482 --> 00:04:40,382 GRANATA: In the 1940s, two major rivals 92 00:04:40,382 --> 00:04:41,949 had been experimenting with a way 93 00:04:41,949 --> 00:04:45,549 to create a quieter record with a longer playing time. 94 00:04:46,616 --> 00:04:49,616 There was Columbia, headed by William Paley, 95 00:04:49,616 --> 00:04:53,016 and RCA Victor, which was headed by David Sarnoff. 96 00:04:53,016 --> 00:04:55,982 Sarnoff had RCA, and they had everything, okay? 97 00:04:55,982 --> 00:04:58,582 They had radio. They invented the record player. 98 00:04:58,582 --> 00:04:59,916 They invented the record, 99 00:04:59,916 --> 00:05:04,349 the record being the 10‐inch shellac 78. 100 00:05:04,349 --> 00:05:09,982 So, in 1948, Sarnoff, going along merrily, owning the world, 101 00:05:09,982 --> 00:05:13,216 and this upstart Paley, 10 years younger, 102 00:05:13,216 --> 00:05:16,816 invites him to the CBS office and says, "Listen, David, 103 00:05:16,816 --> 00:05:19,449 we want you to hear our new product." 104 00:05:19,449 --> 00:05:23,182 And he plays him the first 33 album. 105 00:05:23,182 --> 00:05:25,082 ‐[ Classical music plays ] ‐MAN: A new kind of record, 106 00:05:25,082 --> 00:05:31,049 LPs play for 25 instead of 4 minutes without interruption. 107 00:05:31,682 --> 00:05:34,216 GRANATA: As though it were a top‐secret mission, 108 00:05:34,216 --> 00:05:39,716 Paley had his engineers create a long‐playing vinyl record 109 00:05:39,716 --> 00:05:44,882 before RCA had the chance to come out with their version, 110 00:05:44,882 --> 00:05:47,916 so that really aggravated Sarnoff. 111 00:05:47,916 --> 00:05:49,649 VAN ZANDT: So, Sarnoff leaves there 112 00:05:49,649 --> 00:05:51,682 and calls his entire office into the room, 113 00:05:51,682 --> 00:05:53,782 and says, you know, "You have exactly five minutes 114 00:05:53,782 --> 00:05:57,116 to explain to me how this punk beat me to the punch 115 00:05:57,116 --> 00:05:58,182 with something new." 116 00:05:58,182 --> 00:05:59,982 And they go through all their files 117 00:05:59,982 --> 00:06:02,249 looking for some way to combat this, 118 00:06:02,249 --> 00:06:05,782 and they go all the way back to their very first record. 119 00:06:05,782 --> 00:06:08,216 [ Jazz music playing ] 120 00:06:08,216 --> 00:06:09,882 It happened to be a 7‐inch disc. 121 00:06:12,782 --> 00:06:15,982 And they create the 7‐inch 45. 122 00:06:15,982 --> 00:06:20,949 MAN: On the new distortion‐free RCA Victor 45 RPM record. 123 00:06:20,949 --> 00:06:22,982 ♪ Come on‐a my house, my house ♪ 124 00:06:22,982 --> 00:06:28,049 ♪ I'm gonna give you apple, a plum, and an apricot, too, ah ♪ 125 00:06:28,049 --> 00:06:30,049 GRANATA: What are teenagers listening to on the radio? 126 00:06:30,049 --> 00:06:33,749 They're listening to one song, two songs, 127 00:06:33,749 --> 00:06:35,316 that are the most popular. 128 00:06:35,316 --> 00:06:39,982 So let's come out with a disc that has two songs on it, 129 00:06:39,982 --> 00:06:42,849 and we'll sell it for 50 cents. 130 00:06:42,849 --> 00:06:45,482 VAN ZANDT: And, along with the kid's records, 131 00:06:45,482 --> 00:06:47,149 the kid's record player, 132 00:06:47,149 --> 00:06:52,249 which he takes into his room by himself to play his records. 133 00:06:52,249 --> 00:06:56,316 And a whole new thing is born called "teenage rock 'n' roll." 134 00:06:56,316 --> 00:06:59,182 ♪ Ooh, well, I've got a girl with a record machine ♪ 135 00:06:59,182 --> 00:07:02,049 ♪ When it comes to rocking, she's the queen ♪ 136 00:07:02,049 --> 00:07:03,516 ANKA: Music was everywhere, 137 00:07:03,516 --> 00:07:05,682 and it was always a social event 138 00:07:05,682 --> 00:07:08,749 based around that funny little machine. 139 00:07:08,749 --> 00:07:10,682 ♪ The elevator's broken down ♪ 140 00:07:11,482 --> 00:07:13,549 BECK: To hear Eddie Cochran, "Twenty Flight Rock." 141 00:07:13,549 --> 00:07:15,216 That was it, when this thing 142 00:07:15,216 --> 00:07:18,449 used to whirl around and almost rattle itself off the table 143 00:07:18,449 --> 00:07:19,916 'cause it's spinning so fast. 144 00:07:19,916 --> 00:07:22,149 ♪ Say, come on over, honey, I'm all alone ♪ 145 00:07:22,149 --> 00:07:24,149 DALTREY: The rock single was the thing 146 00:07:24,149 --> 00:07:26,649 that really made us all want to be rock singers 147 00:07:26,649 --> 00:07:29,216 or guitarists or in a band, 148 00:07:29,216 --> 00:07:30,782 and it was the noise of it. 149 00:07:30,782 --> 00:07:32,982 ♪ So I walked one, two flight, three flight, four ♪ 150 00:07:32,982 --> 00:07:36,182 ♪ Five, six, seven flight, eight flight, more ♪ 151 00:07:36,182 --> 00:07:37,549 MARTIN: What amazed me 152 00:07:37,549 --> 00:07:40,116 was the sheer technical ferocity of the stuff. 153 00:07:40,116 --> 00:07:43,416 ‐Volume. ‐♪ I'm too tired to rock ♪ 154 00:07:43,416 --> 00:07:46,282 I could actually see the loudness 155 00:07:46,282 --> 00:07:48,482 of the record in the groove. 156 00:07:48,482 --> 00:07:50,449 The louder you could make a pop record, 157 00:07:50,449 --> 00:07:52,116 the better it was likely to sell. 158 00:07:52,116 --> 00:07:55,649 ♪ Ooh‐ooh, ooh ♪ 159 00:07:55,649 --> 00:07:58,716 ROONEY: Rock 'n' roll was considered bad 160 00:07:58,716 --> 00:08:00,416 for the youth of America 161 00:08:00,416 --> 00:08:03,516 by a lot of people, mostly adults. 162 00:08:07,392 --> 00:08:10,459 ♪ Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, love me strong ♪ 163 00:08:10,459 --> 00:08:14,192 ♪ I don't mind it if it's all night, Daddy ♪ 164 00:08:14,192 --> 00:08:17,026 Music was segregated during the '50s. 165 00:08:17,026 --> 00:08:21,292 People used to call black music race music. 166 00:08:21,292 --> 00:08:22,826 And a lot of the people used to think 167 00:08:22,826 --> 00:08:26,626 that it was a little too suggestive. 168 00:08:26,626 --> 00:08:28,692 ♪ When you thrill me like you thrill me ♪ 169 00:08:28,692 --> 00:08:32,092 ♪ With a touch that always fills me with love ♪ 170 00:08:32,092 --> 00:08:34,392 ♪ So fine, ooh ♪ 171 00:08:34,392 --> 00:08:35,892 ♪ In the morning... ♪ 172 00:08:35,892 --> 00:08:37,759 The 45 records, 173 00:08:37,759 --> 00:08:41,826 I think, did a lot for bringing the races together. 174 00:08:41,826 --> 00:08:47,359 I think it was beginning of the end for that old race music. 175 00:08:47,359 --> 00:08:51,092 STOLLER: Jerry and I were young white kids, 176 00:08:51,092 --> 00:08:54,459 even though we liked to think of ourselves as black, 177 00:08:54,459 --> 00:08:57,792 who loved black music, 178 00:08:57,792 --> 00:09:00,926 and those were the artists that we wanted to write for. 179 00:09:00,926 --> 00:09:03,426 LEIBER: I first met Big Mama Thornton 180 00:09:03,426 --> 00:09:05,992 in Johnny Otis' rehearsal space. 181 00:09:05,992 --> 00:09:08,659 She was quite intimidating. 182 00:09:08,659 --> 00:09:11,326 STOLLER: She had a few scars on her face, 183 00:09:11,326 --> 00:09:15,159 looked like razor scars, but she could sing. 184 00:09:15,159 --> 00:09:20,926 ♪ I said, oh, oh, baby ♪ 185 00:09:21,892 --> 00:09:23,659 ♪ Why you wanna ♪ 186 00:09:23,659 --> 00:09:26,892 ♪ Why you wanna do these mean things to me? ♪ 187 00:09:29,492 --> 00:09:33,159 The A&R man, Johnny Otis, called and said, 188 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:35,559 "I'm doing a session with her, 189 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,692 and I need songs, so you better come on down." 190 00:09:39,859 --> 00:09:42,892 LEIBER: She was wearing old farmer jeans. 191 00:09:42,892 --> 00:09:46,726 She looked like she didn't have much use for guys like us. 192 00:09:46,726 --> 00:09:51,592 STOLLER: Her actual physical being inspired Jerry. 193 00:09:51,592 --> 00:09:55,492 I think it probably took us about 10 minutes 194 00:09:55,492 --> 00:09:56,759 to write "Hound Dog." 195 00:09:56,759 --> 00:09:58,126 LEIBER: I said, "You know what, man? 196 00:09:58,126 --> 00:09:59,692 I'm not happy with this song." 197 00:09:59,692 --> 00:10:02,226 I said, "'You ain't nothin' but a hound dog' is not ‐‐ 198 00:10:02,226 --> 00:10:03,292 It's not enough kick. 199 00:10:03,292 --> 00:10:04,626 I want something really dirty, 200 00:10:04,626 --> 00:10:06,892 like 'Dirty Mother Furrier' don't you know?" 201 00:10:06,892 --> 00:10:09,492 And I said, "No, they won't play that on the radio." 202 00:10:09,492 --> 00:10:13,326 I really want something that's really kick‐ass. 203 00:10:13,326 --> 00:10:15,826 Hound dog? I mean, give me a break. 204 00:10:15,826 --> 00:10:19,426 We attempted to interest her in the song. 205 00:10:19,426 --> 00:10:21,292 She snatched the paper out of my hand. 206 00:10:21,859 --> 00:10:24,426 She said, "What's this?" I said, "That's the song." 207 00:10:24,426 --> 00:10:26,659 She said, "This the song?" I said, "Yeah." 208 00:10:27,692 --> 00:10:33,159 ♪ You ain't nothin' but a hound dog ♪ 209 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:34,492 STOLLER: I remember Jerry saying, 210 00:10:34,492 --> 00:10:36,692 "It doesn't go like that, Big Mama." 211 00:10:36,692 --> 00:10:41,992 She said, "White boy, don't tell me how to sing the blues." 212 00:10:41,992 --> 00:10:46,826 ♪ You ain't nothin' but a hound dog ♪ 213 00:10:46,826 --> 00:10:49,226 ♪ Been snooping around the door ♪ 214 00:10:49,226 --> 00:10:50,526 And we knew we had a hit. 215 00:10:50,526 --> 00:10:53,659 ♪ You ain't nothin' but a hound dog ♪ 216 00:10:53,659 --> 00:10:56,892 ♪ Been snooping around my door ♪ 217 00:10:57,326 --> 00:11:00,692 ♪ You can wag your tail ♪ 218 00:11:00,692 --> 00:11:04,392 ♪ But I ain't gonna feed you no more ♪ 219 00:11:04,392 --> 00:11:06,659 ♪ You told me you was high class ♪ 220 00:11:06,659 --> 00:11:08,326 JOHN: My mum came home with a record. 221 00:11:08,326 --> 00:11:09,992 She said, "I've just heard this record, 222 00:11:09,992 --> 00:11:12,192 and it's a sort of music I've never heard before." 223 00:11:12,192 --> 00:11:13,626 She said, "But it's fantastic." 224 00:11:13,626 --> 00:11:14,959 And she said, "Listen to it." 225 00:11:14,959 --> 00:11:17,859 ♪ You ain't nothin' but a hound dog ♪ 226 00:11:18,426 --> 00:11:19,992 ♪ Crying all the time ♪ 227 00:11:20,692 --> 00:11:23,659 ♪ You ain't nothin' but a hound dog ♪ 228 00:11:23,659 --> 00:11:25,059 It was a total introduction 229 00:11:25,059 --> 00:11:27,192 to a different sort of music, obviously, 230 00:11:27,192 --> 00:11:29,759 which I found out later to have its roots in blues 231 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:34,526 and rockabilly and folk and country and gospel. 232 00:11:34,526 --> 00:11:37,492 But, you know, Elvis Presley, you know, was the one. 233 00:11:37,492 --> 00:11:40,292 ♪ You ain't nothin' but a hound dog ♪ 234 00:11:40,292 --> 00:11:42,226 ♪ Crying all the time ♪ 235 00:11:42,226 --> 00:11:46,759 Thanks to Elvis, we were able to combine a mixture 236 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:50,292 of what they thought white felt and what blacks felt. 237 00:11:50,292 --> 00:11:52,559 ♪ And you ain't no friend of mine ♪ 238 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,492 ♪ Well, they said you was high‐classed ♪ 239 00:11:55,492 --> 00:11:57,692 Elvis brought a style of his own 240 00:11:57,692 --> 00:12:00,492 of wiggling his behind and what have you 241 00:12:00,492 --> 00:12:04,459 and singing the same song by Big Mama Thornton, 242 00:12:04,459 --> 00:12:06,992 and all of a sudden, it became acceptable. 243 00:12:06,992 --> 00:12:08,326 [ Screaming ] 244 00:12:08,326 --> 00:12:10,526 ♪ You ain't nothin' but a hound dog ♪ 245 00:12:10,526 --> 00:12:13,559 When I heard Elvis' rendition of "Hound Dog," 246 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,526 I thought it was kind of rockabilly, 247 00:12:16,526 --> 00:12:18,459 didn't have any blood in it. 248 00:12:18,459 --> 00:12:23,126 STOLLER: But, after it sold 7 million records, 249 00:12:23,126 --> 00:12:26,326 it started to sound better. 250 00:12:26,326 --> 00:12:28,492 ♪ Well, you ain't never caught a rabbit ♪ 251 00:12:28,492 --> 00:12:31,459 ♪ You ain't no friend of mine ♪ 252 00:12:31,459 --> 00:12:33,859 [ Music ends, screaming ] 253 00:12:36,259 --> 00:12:40,726 GRANATA: Big Mama Thornton's recording of "Hound Dog" in 1953 254 00:12:40,726 --> 00:12:42,026 did very well. 255 00:12:42,026 --> 00:12:45,359 It was a 78 RPM that sold between half a million 256 00:12:45,359 --> 00:12:46,859 and a million copies. 257 00:12:46,859 --> 00:12:52,526 When Elvis' came out on a 45 RPM record in 1956, 258 00:12:52,526 --> 00:12:55,959 it sold 10 million copies. 259 00:12:56,959 --> 00:13:00,692 And that was a turning point for the 45. 260 00:13:00,692 --> 00:13:02,959 [ "In the Wee Small Hours of the Morning" plays ] 261 00:13:02,959 --> 00:13:07,092 Meanwhile, other artists are beginning to make inroads 262 00:13:07,092 --> 00:13:10,426 with the 33 1/3 LP. 263 00:13:14,626 --> 00:13:22,559 ♪ In the wee small hours of the morning ♪ 264 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:29,459 ♪ While the whole wide world is fast asleep ♪ 265 00:13:29,459 --> 00:13:34,526 By 1954, Frank Sinatra is at the top of his game, 266 00:13:34,526 --> 00:13:38,126 the sweet spot for his voice and his work. 267 00:13:38,126 --> 00:13:43,759 At the same time, he's got this deep emotional upheaval, 268 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:46,759 'cause he's really carrying a torch for Ava Gardner, 269 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:51,126 to whom he's still married, but not with. 270 00:13:51,126 --> 00:13:53,226 He's already broken up with her. 271 00:13:53,226 --> 00:13:56,592 [ "Mood Indigo" plays ] 272 00:13:56,592 --> 00:13:59,159 And when he walked into the Capitol studio 273 00:13:59,159 --> 00:14:01,592 to record "In the Wee Small Hours," 274 00:14:01,592 --> 00:14:06,859 he understood that he could use this new format, the LP, 275 00:14:06,859 --> 00:14:09,126 for long‐form expression. 276 00:14:09,126 --> 00:14:15,459 ♪ You ain't been blue ♪ 277 00:14:15,459 --> 00:14:20,526 ♪ No, no, no ♪ 278 00:14:20,526 --> 00:14:22,059 ROSEN: Before the long‐playing record, 279 00:14:22,059 --> 00:14:24,559 we had a 3‐minute‐long song. 280 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:27,892 Now we could have a long‐form musical story, 281 00:14:27,892 --> 00:14:29,659 and so Sinatra created this crazy thing 282 00:14:29,659 --> 00:14:31,259 called the "concept record." 283 00:14:31,259 --> 00:14:37,059 ♪ Till you've had that mood indigo ♪ 284 00:14:37,059 --> 00:14:40,126 GRANATA: Frank sat with little pieces of paper 285 00:14:40,126 --> 00:14:41,692 with each song title on it, 286 00:14:41,692 --> 00:14:46,626 and he would shuffle them around so that they told a story. 287 00:14:47,492 --> 00:14:50,426 16 songs, single statement ‐‐ 288 00:14:50,426 --> 00:14:52,292 what it's like to lose your love. 289 00:14:52,292 --> 00:14:56,292 ♪ While I sit and sigh ♪ 290 00:14:56,292 --> 00:14:59,359 Frank always wanted Ava back, 291 00:14:59,359 --> 00:15:02,059 and what we hear in "In the Wee Small Hours" 292 00:15:02,059 --> 00:15:03,992 is a reflection of that anguish 293 00:15:03,992 --> 00:15:07,326 that he had lost this great love of his life. 294 00:15:07,326 --> 00:15:13,659 ♪ Always get that mood indigo ♪ 295 00:15:13,659 --> 00:15:19,426 ♪ Since my baby said goodbye ♪ 296 00:15:21,759 --> 00:15:29,226 ♪ In the evening when the lights are low ♪ 297 00:15:29,226 --> 00:15:35,759 ♪ I'm so lonely I could cry ♪ 298 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:41,226 This landmark album coincided with true high‐fidelity sound, 299 00:15:41,226 --> 00:15:43,492 the LP, magnetic tape, 300 00:15:43,492 --> 00:15:46,359 and these gorgeous Neumann microphones 301 00:15:46,359 --> 00:15:49,659 that gave you the most incredible richness. 302 00:15:49,659 --> 00:15:51,492 I mean, as we're sitting here at Capitol, 303 00:15:51,492 --> 00:15:54,359 I still get blown away by this room. 304 00:15:54,359 --> 00:15:57,159 Right on that exact spot 305 00:15:57,159 --> 00:15:58,626 there was a full orchestra setup, 306 00:15:58,626 --> 00:16:00,592 and Sinatra was facing this way, 307 00:16:00,592 --> 00:16:02,526 and he sang all the songs. 308 00:16:02,526 --> 00:16:04,959 CASH: I was just in the old Capitol building, 309 00:16:04,959 --> 00:16:06,326 and we went in that room 310 00:16:06,326 --> 00:16:08,459 where Sinatra recorded with Nelson Riddle 311 00:16:08,459 --> 00:16:10,592 those great classic records. 312 00:16:10,592 --> 00:16:12,492 And that microphone. 313 00:16:12,492 --> 00:16:15,692 It was just so goosebump‐y. 314 00:16:15,692 --> 00:16:21,992 ♪ While I just sit around and sigh ♪ 315 00:16:21,992 --> 00:16:31,292 ♪ Go 'long blues ♪ 316 00:16:31,292 --> 00:16:33,792 GRANATA: In creating this concept album, 317 00:16:33,792 --> 00:16:39,326 Sinatra solidified a format for all of music to follow. 318 00:16:46,459 --> 00:16:50,092 When 78 RPM discs were the format, 319 00:16:50,092 --> 00:16:51,792 and the only format out there, 320 00:16:51,792 --> 00:16:54,726 it didn't really matter in jazz whether it was a small group, 321 00:16:54,726 --> 00:16:57,759 a singer and band, a big band, 322 00:16:57,759 --> 00:17:00,126 they would all kind of record the same way, 323 00:17:00,126 --> 00:17:03,926 which was we've got to get this in and done 324 00:17:03,926 --> 00:17:05,559 within 3 1/2 minutes. 325 00:17:05,559 --> 00:17:09,459 [ "Hot House" plays ] 326 00:17:09,459 --> 00:17:12,026 WAS: If you listen to a Charlie Parker 78, 327 00:17:12,026 --> 00:17:13,326 they're short solos. 328 00:17:13,326 --> 00:17:14,459 It just goes around a couple of times, 329 00:17:14,459 --> 00:17:16,526 and then he's out of time. 330 00:17:16,526 --> 00:17:19,659 So, suddenly, the LP gave jazz musicians 331 00:17:19,659 --> 00:17:22,526 the opportunity to express themselves. 332 00:17:22,526 --> 00:17:25,026 [ Miles Davis' "So What" plays ] 333 00:17:25,592 --> 00:17:28,092 KAHN: In the spring of 1959, 334 00:17:28,092 --> 00:17:31,559 Miles Davis went into the New York Columbia Studio 335 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:33,792 and recorded "Kind of Blue." 336 00:17:33,792 --> 00:17:36,359 [ Trumpet solo ] 337 00:17:49,826 --> 00:17:53,126 Miles Davis created new kinds of freedoms, 338 00:17:53,126 --> 00:17:57,159 the idea of modal scales, no chordal structures. 339 00:17:57,159 --> 00:18:01,826 He wanted to kind of allow the individual voices of the soloist 340 00:18:01,826 --> 00:18:06,626 to come through and begin speak in extended paragraphs. 341 00:18:06,626 --> 00:18:09,492 The tracks are all roughly 9 minutes, 342 00:18:09,492 --> 00:18:11,759 10 minutes, 12 minutes long. 343 00:18:18,292 --> 00:18:21,626 It was released in August of '59, 344 00:18:21,626 --> 00:18:23,926 and by the end of that year, 345 00:18:23,926 --> 00:18:29,359 it had already become the bible for many musicians. 346 00:18:36,692 --> 00:18:40,492 WAS: "Kind of Blue," you know, it's still in the jazz top 10. 347 00:18:40,492 --> 00:18:43,059 [ Laughs ] Can you imagine that? 348 00:18:43,859 --> 00:18:46,892 I don't know that it ever left. 349 00:18:54,225 --> 00:18:58,558 ♪ Love Potion Number Nine ♪ 350 00:18:58,558 --> 00:19:00,658 DEEJAY: Number four, "Love Potion Number Nine." 351 00:19:00,658 --> 00:19:02,692 ANKA: Well, the '50s and the early '60s, 352 00:19:02,692 --> 00:19:04,458 the single record was the thing. 353 00:19:04,458 --> 00:19:06,258 If you didn't have that, 354 00:19:06,258 --> 00:19:08,492 you didn't get the album, which was the follow‐through, 355 00:19:08,492 --> 00:19:10,092 and then you didn't have a career. 356 00:19:10,092 --> 00:19:12,125 ♪ 93 KHJ ♪ 357 00:19:12,125 --> 00:19:13,892 DEEJAY: 24 minutes now before 9:00. 358 00:19:13,892 --> 00:19:16,292 JAMES: And radio was the way 359 00:19:16,292 --> 00:19:19,492 you put new records in front of the public, 360 00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:21,158 ‐so I loved AM radio. ‐DEEJAY: Be happy. 361 00:19:21,158 --> 00:19:23,525 Come on, everybody. It's a beautiful night in Chicago. 362 00:19:23,525 --> 00:19:26,325 JAMES: These 50,000‐watt clear‐channel stations ‐‐ 363 00:19:26,325 --> 00:19:29,858 I mean, WLS in Chicago would hit 10 million to 20 million people. 364 00:19:29,858 --> 00:19:32,458 Hi, everybody all over America. This is your Cousin Brucie. 365 00:19:32,458 --> 00:19:34,858 It's the WABC party. Go, go. Whoo! 366 00:19:34,858 --> 00:19:37,258 JAMES: They'd hit 38 states at night. 367 00:19:37,258 --> 00:19:39,258 MAN: [ Echoing ] Number one! 368 00:19:39,258 --> 00:19:42,025 ♪ You never close your eyes ♪ 369 00:19:42,025 --> 00:19:44,758 JAMES: There's nothing more exciting thing on this earth 370 00:19:44,758 --> 00:19:47,458 than an exploding smash‐hit single, 371 00:19:47,458 --> 00:19:48,858 because it just ‐‐ 372 00:19:48,858 --> 00:19:51,225 It happens everywhere at once, and it just goes. 373 00:19:51,225 --> 00:19:52,758 It's like an atomic bomb. 374 00:19:52,758 --> 00:19:56,392 DEEJAY: Tommy James and the Shondells, "Mony Mony." 375 00:19:56,392 --> 00:19:58,325 ANKA: So, you knew going in the studio 376 00:19:58,325 --> 00:20:00,125 that everything you had to say 377 00:20:00,125 --> 00:20:03,725 had to be no longer than 2 minutes and 30 seconds, 378 00:20:03,725 --> 00:20:06,025 or shorter, if you wanted to get on the radio. 379 00:20:06,025 --> 00:20:07,825 DEEJAY: ...shall return with "Stop! In the Name of Love." 380 00:20:07,825 --> 00:20:09,925 ♪ On the "Dan Ingram Show" ♪ 381 00:20:09,925 --> 00:20:11,492 ROBERTSON: This is, like, 1965. 382 00:20:11,492 --> 00:20:14,725 We were zooming around Manhattan. 383 00:20:14,725 --> 00:20:16,492 ♪ Action Central News ♪ 384 00:20:16,492 --> 00:20:18,625 And John Hammond Jr. said, 385 00:20:18,625 --> 00:20:21,025 "Listen, a friend of mine is recording, 386 00:20:21,025 --> 00:20:23,692 and I said I would stop in and say hello 387 00:20:23,692 --> 00:20:26,525 and hear a little bit of what he's doing." 388 00:20:26,525 --> 00:20:30,825 So we went to Columbia Recording Studios. 389 00:20:30,825 --> 00:20:34,558 [ Bob Dylan's "Like a Rolling Stone" playing ] 390 00:20:34,558 --> 00:20:37,025 And Bob Dylan and these musicians 391 00:20:37,025 --> 00:20:38,825 were in there recording, 392 00:20:38,825 --> 00:20:40,992 and they were recording "Like a Rolling Stone." 393 00:20:40,992 --> 00:20:43,758 ♪ Once upon a time, you dressed so fine ♪ 394 00:20:43,758 --> 00:20:47,625 ♪ Threw the bums a dime in your prime ♪ 395 00:20:47,625 --> 00:20:50,392 ♪ Didn't you? ♪ 396 00:20:51,592 --> 00:20:53,758 ♪ People call, say, "Beware, doll ♪ 397 00:20:53,758 --> 00:20:56,758 ♪ You're bound to fall," you thought they were all ♪ 398 00:20:57,392 --> 00:21:00,158 ♪ Kidding you ♪ 399 00:21:00,625 --> 00:21:02,658 And I didn't know him, but I thought, 400 00:21:02,658 --> 00:21:04,692 "This song is really interesting." 401 00:21:04,692 --> 00:21:07,792 It was like a different kind of songwriting. 402 00:21:07,792 --> 00:21:11,458 Dion from Dion and the Belmonts was there. 403 00:21:11,458 --> 00:21:13,058 DION: It was great to watch. 404 00:21:13,058 --> 00:21:16,692 Dylan had recorded some albums with just his guitar, 405 00:21:16,692 --> 00:21:18,392 and now he had a few of the guys 406 00:21:18,392 --> 00:21:21,792 from the Brill Building come up and played with, you know, 407 00:21:21,792 --> 00:21:24,792 drums, a full band behind him. 408 00:21:24,792 --> 00:21:29,625 ♪ Your next meal ♪ 409 00:21:29,625 --> 00:21:32,058 ♪ How does it feel ♪ 410 00:21:32,058 --> 00:21:33,458 It was exciting. 411 00:21:33,458 --> 00:21:37,892 He was like somebody let him out of a cage or something. 412 00:21:37,892 --> 00:21:42,058 He knew what he was about and exactly what he wanted to do. 413 00:21:42,058 --> 00:21:44,158 You couldn't sway him, 414 00:21:44,158 --> 00:21:46,658 'cause I heard some musicians say, "Listen, you can't do." 415 00:21:46,658 --> 00:21:48,158 He said, "Follow me." 416 00:21:49,158 --> 00:21:52,025 ♪ Like a rolling stone ♪ 417 00:21:52,025 --> 00:21:54,958 "Like a Rolling Stone," in my opinion, 418 00:21:54,958 --> 00:21:57,725 is the greatest single anyone has ever made. 419 00:21:58,758 --> 00:22:00,492 It's a really ambitious statement 420 00:22:00,492 --> 00:22:02,892 to put in a rock 'n' roll 45 421 00:22:02,892 --> 00:22:05,658 just a couple years past, like, "Be My Baby." 422 00:22:06,525 --> 00:22:08,825 ♪ At Napoleon in rags ♪ 423 00:22:08,825 --> 00:22:11,225 ♪ And the language that he used ♪ 424 00:22:11,225 --> 00:22:15,125 ♪ Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse ♪ 425 00:22:16,392 --> 00:22:17,992 ♪ When you ain't got nothing ♪ 426 00:22:17,992 --> 00:22:21,592 ♪ You got nothing to lose ♪ 427 00:22:21,592 --> 00:22:23,225 ♪ You're invisible now ♪ 428 00:22:23,225 --> 00:22:27,058 ♪ You've got no secrets to conceal ♪ 429 00:22:27,058 --> 00:22:30,125 SPITZ: Columbia had really become an album company. 430 00:22:30,125 --> 00:22:36,425 Bob makes what is perhaps the longest single ever made. 431 00:22:36,425 --> 00:22:39,192 It's six minutes long. 432 00:22:39,192 --> 00:22:42,858 ♪ To be on your own ♪ 433 00:22:43,525 --> 00:22:48,525 ♪ With no direction home ♪ 434 00:22:49,358 --> 00:22:51,925 ♪ Like a complete unknown ♪ 435 00:22:51,925 --> 00:22:55,025 "Like a Rolling Stone," all of a sudden, 436 00:22:55,025 --> 00:22:56,392 it becomes a hit single. 437 00:22:56,392 --> 00:22:58,525 DEEJAY: Now Bobby Dylan comes front and center at WHK 438 00:22:58,525 --> 00:23:01,525 with song number six on the survey. 439 00:23:01,525 --> 00:23:02,992 This is called "Like a Rolling Stone." 440 00:23:02,992 --> 00:23:06,692 You're gonna hear the whole six‐minute version here. 441 00:23:08,358 --> 00:23:11,192 WAS: I think the impact of radio was huge, you know, 442 00:23:11,192 --> 00:23:16,892 but maybe we can offer more to go along with the advertising. 443 00:23:16,892 --> 00:23:22,592 ♪ You walk into the room with your pencil in your hand ♪ 444 00:23:23,392 --> 00:23:24,658 ♪ You see somebody naked ♪ 445 00:23:24,658 --> 00:23:26,625 Bob Dylan, you know what he did? 446 00:23:26,625 --> 00:23:29,792 He brought in thinking single‐handedly. 447 00:23:29,792 --> 00:23:31,725 And it was brought home to me by John Lennon, 448 00:23:31,725 --> 00:23:34,092 who adored Bob Dylan, 449 00:23:34,092 --> 00:23:38,258 and Dylan would use phrases that Lennon would pick up on. 450 00:23:38,258 --> 00:23:39,525 So, he picked up on those lyrics. 451 00:23:39,525 --> 00:23:40,925 Well, we can actually tell the truth? 452 00:23:40,925 --> 00:23:42,858 You know, we can actually talk about our own lives? 453 00:23:42,858 --> 00:23:44,692 ♪ Something is happening here ♪ 454 00:23:44,692 --> 00:23:48,992 ♪ But you don't know what it is ♪ 455 00:23:49,525 --> 00:23:55,125 ♪ Do you, Mr. Jones? ♪ 456 00:23:55,125 --> 00:23:57,292 People really didn't do that very much. 457 00:23:57,292 --> 00:24:00,058 I mean, Sinatra certainly sounded like he was doing it, 458 00:24:00,058 --> 00:24:02,758 but now here's Dylan actually throwing in something 459 00:24:02,758 --> 00:24:05,258 that certainly seemed autobiographical. 460 00:24:05,258 --> 00:24:10,592 ♪ And somebody points to you and says, "It's his" ♪ 461 00:24:10,592 --> 00:24:13,325 DONAHUE: This is Tom Donahue back in action. 462 00:24:13,325 --> 00:24:15,092 This is KSAN in San Francisco. 463 00:24:15,092 --> 00:24:16,725 Rachel and I will be here until midnight. 464 00:24:16,725 --> 00:24:19,192 VAN ZANDT: Around '69, FM radio started, 465 00:24:19,192 --> 00:24:22,992 which meant, you know, the deejays were slowed down now. 466 00:24:22,992 --> 00:24:26,225 DEEJAY: And that's the way it was, and that's the way it is, 467 00:24:26,225 --> 00:24:28,692 and it's always changing, and it is always the same. 468 00:24:28,692 --> 00:24:31,292 VAN ZANDT: And they were talking more conversationally, 469 00:24:31,292 --> 00:24:35,425 and it was all sort of being taken much more seriously. 470 00:24:35,425 --> 00:24:37,992 ♪ Ah ♪ 471 00:24:39,658 --> 00:24:43,958 ♪ Now, I don't hardly know her ♪ 472 00:24:43,958 --> 00:24:45,992 We went out with Hubert Humphrey 473 00:24:45,992 --> 00:24:49,092 in 1968 on the presidential campaign. 474 00:24:49,092 --> 00:24:51,425 He was, of course, running for president. 475 00:24:51,425 --> 00:24:52,425 He was the vice president. 476 00:24:52,425 --> 00:24:56,992 ♪ Crimson and clover ♪ 477 00:24:57,525 --> 00:25:00,825 Well, when we went out on the campaign... 478 00:25:01,392 --> 00:25:02,725 ...the big acts of the day 479 00:25:02,725 --> 00:25:05,425 were The Rascals, The Association, 480 00:25:05,425 --> 00:25:09,425 The Buckinghams, Gary Puckett, us. 481 00:25:09,425 --> 00:25:12,292 You know ‐‐ all singles acts. 482 00:25:12,292 --> 00:25:15,958 90 days later, when we get back, no kidding, 483 00:25:15,958 --> 00:25:18,358 the hottest acts are Led Zeppelin, 484 00:25:18,358 --> 00:25:19,725 Blood, Sweat & Tears, 485 00:25:19,725 --> 00:25:22,158 Crosby, Stills & Nash ‐‐ 486 00:25:22,158 --> 00:25:23,692 all album acts. 487 00:25:23,692 --> 00:25:26,158 We knew that if we were gonna stay in this business, 488 00:25:26,158 --> 00:25:27,425 we had to sell albums. 489 00:25:29,692 --> 00:25:31,025 VAN ZANDT: Led Zeppelin, I believe, 490 00:25:31,025 --> 00:25:32,758 was the first one to tell the record company 491 00:25:32,758 --> 00:25:35,358 they were not permitted to put out a hit single anymore, 492 00:25:35,358 --> 00:25:37,425 because they were just so uncool. 493 00:25:40,983 --> 00:25:44,516 All of a sudden, the '50s, 494 00:25:44,516 --> 00:25:47,883 people are on album covers, they're all smiling. 495 00:25:47,883 --> 00:25:49,483 The '60s hit, 496 00:25:49,483 --> 00:25:52,116 you didn't smile on album covers anymore. 497 00:25:52,116 --> 00:25:54,350 Kennedy was assassinated. 498 00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:57,883 Rock 'n' roll went down about five octaves. 499 00:25:57,883 --> 00:25:59,483 It got serious. 500 00:25:59,483 --> 00:26:03,716 WAS: All of a sudden, the album took on all this value. 501 00:26:03,716 --> 00:26:06,550 You didn't want to miss a ‐‐ You wanted every song. 502 00:26:06,550 --> 00:26:07,783 Every song was important. 503 00:26:07,783 --> 00:26:09,683 You had to make a complete artistic statement 504 00:26:09,683 --> 00:26:11,850 with your whole project. 505 00:26:11,850 --> 00:26:16,416 And then, for black people, that album is by Marvin Gaye. 506 00:26:16,416 --> 00:26:19,050 [ Piano playing ] 507 00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:24,250 BOYD: Marvin Gaye, a lot of people don't realize the career 508 00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:27,550 he had with Motown before reaching this point. 509 00:26:27,550 --> 00:26:31,683 ♪ Just call my name, I'll be there in a hurry ♪ 510 00:26:31,683 --> 00:26:33,283 ♪ You don't have to worry ♪ 511 00:26:33,283 --> 00:26:38,183 ♪ 'Cause, baby, there ain't no mountain high enough ♪ 512 00:26:38,183 --> 00:26:40,516 ♪ Ain't no valley low... ♪ 513 00:26:40,516 --> 00:26:41,950 The early '70s, 514 00:26:41,950 --> 00:26:44,683 he's done the duets with Tammi Terrell, 515 00:26:44,683 --> 00:26:46,083 which are very popular. 516 00:26:46,083 --> 00:26:48,083 ♪ To keep from getting to you, baby ♪ 517 00:26:48,083 --> 00:26:51,616 ♪ Remember, the day I set you free ♪ 518 00:26:51,616 --> 00:26:55,283 ♪ I told you you could always count on me, darling ♪ 519 00:26:55,283 --> 00:26:58,250 Tammi Terrell suffers a very tragic fate. 520 00:26:58,250 --> 00:27:00,883 Marvin's very, of course, distraught. 521 00:27:00,883 --> 00:27:05,283 QUESTLOVE: He left the road after Tammi Terrell's death, 522 00:27:05,283 --> 00:27:07,616 you haven't heard new material in two years, 523 00:27:07,616 --> 00:27:11,650 and now that his brother's home from Vietnam, 524 00:27:11,650 --> 00:27:16,083 and he has this vision of being a messenger. 525 00:27:16,083 --> 00:27:20,683 I started to think about the war in Vietnam 526 00:27:20,683 --> 00:27:23,116 and my brother, who was ‐‐ 527 00:27:23,116 --> 00:27:26,016 He used to tell me, 528 00:27:26,016 --> 00:27:30,883 write, respond with some pretty horrible stories about the war. 529 00:27:30,883 --> 00:27:33,783 I became quite affected by them. 530 00:27:33,783 --> 00:27:37,150 At the same time, there was a great deal of unrest in America. 531 00:27:37,150 --> 00:27:42,316 Civil rights, black power, Vietnam. 532 00:27:42,316 --> 00:27:45,450 These shootings of the kids on the college campuses. 533 00:27:45,450 --> 00:27:48,050 QUESTLOVE: Berry Gordy headed Motown, 534 00:27:48,050 --> 00:27:50,550 and he's like, "No, we're not a message company. 535 00:27:50,550 --> 00:27:52,383 You're not gonna release this album." 536 00:27:52,383 --> 00:27:54,983 BOYD: Berry Gordy doesn't want this kind of music 537 00:27:54,983 --> 00:27:57,450 because Berry Gordy's been making money 538 00:27:57,450 --> 00:28:01,483 by selling pop songs ‐‐ "Stop! In the Name of Love," 539 00:28:01,483 --> 00:28:02,816 "I Heard It through the Grapevine." 540 00:28:02,816 --> 00:28:04,383 He wants that Marvin, 541 00:28:04,383 --> 00:28:08,116 and Gordy, it turns out, was wrong. Quite wrong. 542 00:28:08,116 --> 00:28:09,616 [ Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On" plays ] 543 00:28:09,616 --> 00:28:14,016 And Marvin records this incredible album. 544 00:28:14,016 --> 00:28:16,650 It's a concept album ‐‐ "What's Going On." 545 00:28:16,650 --> 00:28:19,950 ♪ Mother, mother ♪ 546 00:28:19,950 --> 00:28:24,850 ♪ There's too many of you crying ♪ 547 00:28:26,116 --> 00:28:28,516 ♪ Brother, brother, brother ♪ 548 00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:34,116 ♪ There's far too many of you dying ♪ 549 00:28:34,116 --> 00:28:39,483 ♪ You know we've got to find a way ♪ 550 00:28:39,483 --> 00:28:43,383 ♪ To bring some lovin' here today ♪ 551 00:28:43,383 --> 00:28:45,116 ♪ Yeah ♪ 552 00:28:45,116 --> 00:28:46,650 QUESTLOVE: For a lot of us, 553 00:28:46,650 --> 00:28:50,183 like, that's black people's "Times Are A‐Changing." 554 00:28:50,183 --> 00:28:51,916 And you go from song to song. 555 00:28:51,916 --> 00:28:53,550 QUESTLOVE: Everything is a suite. 556 00:28:53,550 --> 00:28:56,516 No one ever considers the first six songs 557 00:28:56,516 --> 00:28:59,750 on "What's Going On" as six songs. 558 00:28:59,750 --> 00:29:02,883 Like, the entire side one is just one song to me. 559 00:29:02,883 --> 00:29:07,550 ♪ You know we've got to find a way ♪ 560 00:29:07,550 --> 00:29:11,183 ♪ To bring some lovin' here today ♪ 561 00:29:11,183 --> 00:29:13,716 ♪ Oh‐oh‐oh ♪ 562 00:29:13,716 --> 00:29:15,383 ♪ Picket lines ♪ 563 00:29:15,383 --> 00:29:19,016 CHERRY: I think for me, it was in 1972, '73. 564 00:29:19,016 --> 00:29:21,350 ♪ ... punish me with brutality ♪ 565 00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:27,483 It's mixed with a very dark, difficult time in my life. 566 00:29:27,483 --> 00:29:30,383 ‐[ Gaye vocalizing ] ‐MAN: Right on. 567 00:29:30,383 --> 00:29:32,483 Whoo! Right on, brother. 568 00:29:32,483 --> 00:29:35,583 ‐[ Indistinct conversations ] ‐[ Gaye vocalizing ] 569 00:29:36,183 --> 00:29:39,950 CHERRY: And, to me, when I hold my original copy 570 00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:41,883 of "What's Going On," you know, 571 00:29:41,883 --> 00:29:46,450 it takes me back to living on Ninth Street in New York 572 00:29:46,450 --> 00:29:50,350 and the memory of how much it was raining in that period, 573 00:29:50,350 --> 00:29:53,016 and I don't know whether that association 574 00:29:53,016 --> 00:29:55,483 comes with Marvin Gaye on the record sleeve 575 00:29:55,483 --> 00:30:00,816 in patent black raincoat with raindrops on his coat 576 00:30:00,816 --> 00:30:03,850 or a real memory. 577 00:30:05,316 --> 00:30:08,550 ♪ Oh, but who are they to judge us ♪ 578 00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:16,450 It's an incredible album that expresses and holds so much, 579 00:30:16,450 --> 00:30:19,583 which is why I think it was such a meaningful record 580 00:30:19,583 --> 00:30:20,716 and still is. 581 00:30:21,650 --> 00:30:25,216 BOYD: The only problem with that album ‐‐ It's too short, 582 00:30:25,216 --> 00:30:26,683 meaning I need more. 583 00:30:26,683 --> 00:30:28,550 I want more. I'm not done. 584 00:30:28,550 --> 00:30:30,083 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 585 00:30:30,083 --> 00:30:32,250 Right on, baby. Right on. 586 00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:33,450 MAN: What's happening? 587 00:30:33,450 --> 00:30:35,450 [ Gaye vocalizing ] 588 00:30:36,050 --> 00:30:37,550 McDANIELS: You know what's crazy? 589 00:30:37,550 --> 00:30:42,183 Those albums ‐‐ Marvin Gaye, John Lennon, Bob Dylan ‐‐ 590 00:30:42,183 --> 00:30:46,950 those records, that music, those artists were our lives. 591 00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:48,850 Our lives is on that vinyl. 592 00:30:52,232 --> 00:30:54,699 [ Gaye scatting ] 593 00:30:56,866 --> 00:31:00,166 MILNER: During the '70s, especially in the rock world, 594 00:31:00,166 --> 00:31:01,566 the LP was king. 595 00:31:01,566 --> 00:31:03,532 But it had drawbacks. 596 00:31:03,532 --> 00:31:05,199 They can scratch, 597 00:31:05,199 --> 00:31:06,866 they're certainly not portable, 598 00:31:06,866 --> 00:31:08,766 and there was no way to make one easily. 599 00:31:08,766 --> 00:31:10,332 You had to go in a recording studio. 600 00:31:10,332 --> 00:31:12,999 You couldn't just make an LP at home. 601 00:31:12,999 --> 00:31:15,499 ♪ Rah‐rah, rumble seats and running boards ♪ 602 00:31:15,499 --> 00:31:16,866 [ Cassette player clicks ] 603 00:31:16,866 --> 00:31:20,966 MAN: Music in pocket size and instant loading. 604 00:31:20,966 --> 00:31:24,699 MILNER: The cassette tape was a good example of a technology 605 00:31:24,699 --> 00:31:27,066 that really didn't even pretend to be an advance 606 00:31:27,066 --> 00:31:29,899 over what came before in terms of sound quality. 607 00:31:29,899 --> 00:31:32,199 It was, however, very, very portable. 608 00:31:32,199 --> 00:31:36,132 MAN: You record from your radio or make your own programs. 609 00:31:36,132 --> 00:31:38,899 MILNER: And, for the first time, anybody could make a recording. 610 00:31:38,899 --> 00:31:41,466 It's very easy to make, like, a direct, you know, 611 00:31:41,466 --> 00:31:43,299 from vinyl‐to‐tape recording. 612 00:31:43,299 --> 00:31:44,599 GODRICH: I just taped all my friends. 613 00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:46,866 Yeah, I just had thousands of cassettes. 614 00:31:46,866 --> 00:31:49,266 You know, I was pirating as a child. 615 00:31:49,266 --> 00:31:50,866 You know, absolutely. 616 00:31:50,866 --> 00:31:52,699 Think about when you were a kid, and you're going to school, 617 00:31:52,699 --> 00:31:54,332 and your pockets are like this, and it's, like, all tapes. 618 00:31:54,332 --> 00:31:57,399 GROHL: We would make cassettes and share them with friends, 619 00:31:57,399 --> 00:31:58,899 and we would pass them around, 620 00:31:58,899 --> 00:32:02,232 and then we'd go see those bands when they came into town, 621 00:32:02,232 --> 00:32:04,599 and we felt like that music was ours. 622 00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:07,499 [ The Cure's "Love Song" playing ] 623 00:32:07,499 --> 00:32:09,066 MILNER: Of course, you could also make mix tapes, 624 00:32:09,066 --> 00:32:11,766 so essentially, you could create your own LPs. 625 00:32:11,766 --> 00:32:13,999 HOROVITZ: You had your cassette for a dollar, 626 00:32:13,999 --> 00:32:17,399 and you'd put all your favorite songs on it. 627 00:32:17,399 --> 00:32:21,566 ♪ Whenever I'm alone with you ♪ 628 00:32:21,566 --> 00:32:24,199 MILNER: You could find connections between songs. 629 00:32:24,199 --> 00:32:26,666 You could find thematic things. 630 00:32:26,666 --> 00:32:28,166 HOROVITZ: If I was making a tape for you, I'd be like, 631 00:32:28,166 --> 00:32:29,666 "You know what? I have a feeling you're gonna like 632 00:32:29,666 --> 00:32:31,799 these particular types of songs." 633 00:32:32,699 --> 00:32:35,166 You'd maybe put some romantic things on there. 634 00:32:35,166 --> 00:32:36,499 You'd try to be cool with it. 635 00:32:36,499 --> 00:32:38,499 This is how I feel, you know, about you. 636 00:32:38,499 --> 00:32:40,566 MILNER: This particular selection of songs 637 00:32:40,566 --> 00:32:42,932 in this particular order ‐‐ It was a big deal. 638 00:32:42,932 --> 00:32:44,932 QUESTLOVE: It's an extent of your arm. 639 00:32:44,932 --> 00:32:47,066 It's an extent of your personality. 640 00:32:47,699 --> 00:32:49,832 There's a girl that you're really into, 641 00:32:49,832 --> 00:32:53,266 the first thing I'd do is, I'd go make her a mix tape. 642 00:32:55,032 --> 00:32:57,532 MILNER: It was a document for who you were at that moment, 643 00:32:57,532 --> 00:32:59,366 who you ‐‐ how you wanted the rest of the world 644 00:32:59,366 --> 00:33:02,599 to see you through the prism of the music that you loved. 645 00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:04,666 [ Hip‐hop music plays ] 646 00:33:08,899 --> 00:33:10,966 ♪ From the South to the West, to the East...♪ 647 00:33:10,966 --> 00:33:14,432 CHERRY: I remember getting a mix tape from Corona, Queens. 648 00:33:14,432 --> 00:33:15,966 It was Spoonie Gee. 649 00:33:15,966 --> 00:33:19,499 It was just, like, a cassette from, like, a bodega, 650 00:33:19,499 --> 00:33:21,399 and I think I probably killed it. 651 00:33:21,399 --> 00:33:22,932 You know, I played it to death. 652 00:33:22,932 --> 00:33:26,866 It was, like, the first real uncommercial hip‐hop, 653 00:33:26,866 --> 00:33:29,566 sounding like it was coming off the street. 654 00:33:29,566 --> 00:33:31,466 And I fell in love with it. 655 00:33:31,466 --> 00:33:33,499 [ Punk music plays ] 656 00:33:36,432 --> 00:33:37,899 ♪ You ♪ 657 00:33:37,899 --> 00:33:40,266 GROHL: The first music scene that I fell in love with 658 00:33:40,266 --> 00:33:41,832 was the punk‐rock scene. 659 00:33:41,832 --> 00:33:44,532 My cousin Tracy, she brought me upstairs, 660 00:33:44,532 --> 00:33:46,466 and she showed me her record collection, 661 00:33:46,466 --> 00:33:47,899 and she had fan zines. 662 00:33:47,899 --> 00:33:49,732 And you'd go to the back of one of those fan zines, 663 00:33:49,732 --> 00:33:51,732 and there'd be this classified‐ad section 664 00:33:51,732 --> 00:33:54,099 with, "Hey, I have a band. Here's my demo tape. 665 00:33:54,099 --> 00:33:55,799 It's only $2.50. 666 00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:58,966 Send two stamps, and I'll send you a sticker and my cassette." 667 00:33:58,966 --> 00:34:02,066 And I realized there was this whole underground network. 668 00:34:02,066 --> 00:34:03,166 Like, "Whoa, man. 669 00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:04,532 All of this is happening 670 00:34:04,532 --> 00:34:07,866 without anybody having any idea it's going on." 671 00:34:07,866 --> 00:34:10,499 [ "Truckin'" plays ] 672 00:34:14,799 --> 00:34:17,666 WYBENGA: A huge part of the Dead experience 673 00:34:17,666 --> 00:34:20,399 and the Deadhead experience, in particular, 674 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:23,866 has been all these bootleg cassettes. 675 00:34:23,866 --> 00:34:24,832 ♪ Truckin' ♪ 676 00:34:24,832 --> 00:34:26,999 ♪ Got my chips cashed in ♪ 677 00:34:26,999 --> 00:34:28,766 ♪ Keep truckin' ♪ 678 00:34:28,766 --> 00:34:30,832 ♪ Like the do‐dah man ♪ 679 00:34:30,832 --> 00:34:32,166 ♪ Together ♪ 680 00:34:32,166 --> 00:34:34,532 ♪ More or less in line ♪ 681 00:34:34,532 --> 00:34:38,632 ♪ Just keep truckin' on ♪ 682 00:34:38,632 --> 00:34:42,699 The Grateful Dead live ‐‐ It was just a dragon. 683 00:34:45,332 --> 00:34:46,866 ♪ Arrows of neon... ♪ 684 00:34:46,866 --> 00:34:49,932 In the studio, we never could bring out that dragon. 685 00:34:49,932 --> 00:34:52,099 That dragon never really happened in a room 686 00:34:52,099 --> 00:34:53,732 without people, you know, 687 00:34:53,732 --> 00:34:56,666 and there was no way we could remember 688 00:34:56,666 --> 00:34:58,499 what we did the night before. 689 00:34:58,499 --> 00:34:59,999 That was not possible, 690 00:34:59,999 --> 00:35:03,032 because we were taking mind‐altering drugs every night. 691 00:35:03,032 --> 00:35:06,099 ♪ Houston, too close to New Orleans ♪ 692 00:35:06,099 --> 00:35:09,966 ♪ New York's got the ways and means ♪ 693 00:35:09,966 --> 00:35:11,699 GARCIA: Some nights, it would be just awful, 694 00:35:11,699 --> 00:35:13,099 and some nights, it would be wonderful. 695 00:35:13,099 --> 00:35:14,966 If we're experiencing authentic inspiration, 696 00:35:14,966 --> 00:35:17,099 then something magical sort of takes over. 697 00:35:17,099 --> 00:35:18,232 ♪ Truckin' ♪ 698 00:35:18,232 --> 00:35:20,099 ♪ Like the do‐dah man ♪ 699 00:35:20,099 --> 00:35:23,699 ♪ Once told me you've got to play your hand ♪ 700 00:35:23,699 --> 00:35:25,999 CANTOR‐JACKSON: The experience of a Grateful Dead show, 701 00:35:25,999 --> 00:35:27,366 it is hard to describe. 702 00:35:27,366 --> 00:35:29,699 It was like a religious experience. 703 00:35:29,699 --> 00:35:34,332 You go there, a lot of it was the partaking of LSD, 704 00:35:34,332 --> 00:35:35,932 our sacrament at the time. 705 00:35:46,066 --> 00:35:48,866 When we all got to that level, the music would just soar. 706 00:35:48,866 --> 00:35:50,866 It would go off, and the crowd would go with us. 707 00:35:50,866 --> 00:35:53,266 I mean, the whole audience was in the same place. 708 00:35:53,899 --> 00:35:56,866 WYBENGA: You have music that is highly improvisational 709 00:35:56,866 --> 00:35:59,199 and not played the same way twice. 710 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:00,799 You had this impulse to document. 711 00:36:00,799 --> 00:36:03,332 MAN: Follow the chords from those microphones, folks. 712 00:36:03,332 --> 00:36:04,732 MAN #2: Yeah, right. 713 00:36:04,732 --> 00:36:06,099 MAN #1: Let's find out who these people are. 714 00:36:06,099 --> 00:36:08,599 The Deadheads were recording our performances, 715 00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:09,866 and that was illegal. 716 00:36:09,866 --> 00:36:11,299 MAN #1: Put that spotlight out there 717 00:36:11,299 --> 00:36:12,599 on that microphone, the periscope. 718 00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:13,999 You'll see it sticking up there. 719 00:36:13,999 --> 00:36:16,766 HART: And they ran their copies of cassettes, 720 00:36:16,766 --> 00:36:19,566 and then they would give it away. 721 00:36:19,566 --> 00:36:21,599 It was called a Grateful Dead Free Tape Exchange. 722 00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,632 MAN: Underground Records, Incorporated. 723 00:36:23,632 --> 00:36:26,799 So, we said, "We don't want to be cops, 724 00:36:26,799 --> 00:36:28,966 and we don't want to hire more security. 725 00:36:28,966 --> 00:36:31,999 ‐Let 'em come." ‐[ Instruments tuning ] 726 00:36:34,566 --> 00:36:37,699 WYBENGA: I know it came to a head in the '80s 727 00:36:37,699 --> 00:36:40,532 when their sound man had problems consistently 728 00:36:40,532 --> 00:36:43,132 with microphones blocking his sight lines 729 00:36:43,132 --> 00:36:44,466 from the back of the house. 730 00:36:44,466 --> 00:36:45,766 MAN: You down there with the microphone, 731 00:36:45,766 --> 00:36:47,432 if you want to get a decent recording, 732 00:36:47,432 --> 00:36:49,766 you got to move back about 40 feet. 733 00:36:49,766 --> 00:36:52,032 Eventually, the Grateful Dead addressed this whole issue 734 00:36:52,032 --> 00:36:54,632 of taping by giving tapers their own section. 735 00:36:55,699 --> 00:36:58,266 HART: It built an army of tapers. 736 00:36:58,266 --> 00:37:01,032 They were responsible for making the Grateful Dead 737 00:37:01,032 --> 00:37:02,499 a world phenomenon, 738 00:37:02,499 --> 00:37:04,966 and that was one of the smartest moves we ever made. 739 00:37:08,966 --> 00:37:12,032 WYBENGA: Having a Dead tape collection was a display 740 00:37:12,032 --> 00:37:15,166 right there of the depth of your commitment to the band, 741 00:37:15,166 --> 00:37:16,932 a form of social currency. 742 00:37:24,466 --> 00:37:28,466 One of the first tapes that I heard was 7/13/84, 743 00:37:28,466 --> 00:37:30,699 Greek Theater ‐‐ just a nice little show. 744 00:37:30,699 --> 00:37:35,666 And then 1977 was an improbable height of sorts for them ‐‐ 745 00:37:35,666 --> 00:37:37,466 the tightness of the playing. 746 00:37:39,432 --> 00:37:41,532 ♪ Sometimes we visit... ♪ 747 00:37:41,532 --> 00:37:45,099 5/7/77, for a long time, was my favorite. 748 00:37:45,099 --> 00:37:47,132 And that's a show that had come into circulation 749 00:37:47,132 --> 00:37:49,599 through Betty Cantor‐Jackson. 750 00:37:52,232 --> 00:37:55,232 CANTOR‐JACKSON: My stuff is not taper stuff. It's different. 751 00:37:55,232 --> 00:37:56,599 My stuff is always direct 752 00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:58,632 from the mikes on the stage from the band. 753 00:37:59,866 --> 00:38:02,599 WYBENGA: Betty Cantor‐Jackson had done various sound work 754 00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:04,199 for the Dead throughout the years, 755 00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:06,899 had been a part of that Dead family since very early on. 756 00:38:07,966 --> 00:38:11,232 CANTOR‐JACKSON: I did the taping pretty much for my own pleasure 757 00:38:11,232 --> 00:38:12,732 and for Jerry. 758 00:38:12,732 --> 00:38:14,232 He'd come over the next morning, sit in my living room, 759 00:38:14,232 --> 00:38:16,999 and have a cappuccino and listen to the playback. 760 00:38:26,432 --> 00:38:28,499 It's something I really enjoy, 761 00:38:28,499 --> 00:38:31,432 just carving music into the tape, you know. 762 00:38:40,966 --> 00:38:44,332 WYBENGA: These pristine soundboard recordings 763 00:38:44,332 --> 00:38:48,099 became the source of what became known as The Betty Boards ‐‐ 764 00:38:48,099 --> 00:38:53,066 bootleg cassettes that started to emerge in the late '80s. 765 00:38:53,066 --> 00:38:56,966 So a lot of shows that Deadheads had loved already, 766 00:38:56,966 --> 00:38:59,299 even in poor sound quality, became available 767 00:38:59,299 --> 00:39:02,632 in crystal‐clear sound quality. 768 00:39:02,632 --> 00:39:04,399 CANTOR‐JACKSON: I think they'd been out there for quite a while 769 00:39:04,399 --> 00:39:05,866 before I ever knew about it. 770 00:39:05,866 --> 00:39:09,832 I heard some of them recently that were amazing. 771 00:39:11,832 --> 00:39:13,566 WYBENGA: You know, it's interesting to think 772 00:39:13,566 --> 00:39:16,432 whether this all would have shaken out the same way 773 00:39:16,432 --> 00:39:18,532 if cassettes tapes didn't exist. 774 00:39:18,532 --> 00:39:20,332 You've got to figure that the Grateful Dead 775 00:39:20,332 --> 00:39:24,966 has to be the most recorded musical ensemble in history. 776 00:39:25,666 --> 00:39:28,499 WOMAN: The cassette industry is booming. 777 00:39:28,499 --> 00:39:30,632 For the first time ever, prerecorded cassettes 778 00:39:30,632 --> 00:39:34,166 are beginning to rival sales of the vinyl disc. 779 00:39:34,699 --> 00:39:37,966 GRANATA: The thing that really drove cassette sales 780 00:39:37,966 --> 00:39:41,732 was the advent of a handheld cassette player 781 00:39:41,732 --> 00:39:43,732 that you could listen to with headphones. 782 00:39:43,732 --> 00:39:46,099 ♪ You really feel the music with a Sony Walkman ♪ 783 00:39:46,099 --> 00:39:50,466 MAN: The Sony Walkman is a tiny stereo cassette player 784 00:39:50,466 --> 00:39:52,499 with truly incredible sound. 785 00:39:52,499 --> 00:39:54,299 ♪ You really feel the music ♪ 786 00:39:54,299 --> 00:39:56,666 LUDWIG: They came up with a really good set of headphones 787 00:39:56,666 --> 00:39:58,899 for these little Walkmans, and for the first time, 788 00:39:58,899 --> 00:40:04,866 you could take a device this big with a good set of headphones 789 00:40:04,866 --> 00:40:06,566 and climb the top of Mount Everest, 790 00:40:06,566 --> 00:40:08,066 and you could listen to a Mahler symphony 791 00:40:08,066 --> 00:40:10,099 and get chills down your spine. 792 00:40:10,099 --> 00:40:11,666 [ Opera music playing ] 793 00:40:11,666 --> 00:40:13,266 MAN: The Sony Walkman 794 00:40:13,266 --> 00:40:16,599 has forever changed the way the world listens to music. 795 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:19,599 That was exciting new technology, because basically, 796 00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:23,399 it inaugurated the era of private listening. 797 00:40:23,399 --> 00:40:26,266 It was about walking in the street with your headphones on 798 00:40:26,266 --> 00:40:30,866 and the music being contained to your personal space. 799 00:40:31,632 --> 00:40:33,066 DJ SPOOKY: The idea that being able 800 00:40:33,066 --> 00:40:35,132 to have your own soundtrack wherever you went, 801 00:40:35,132 --> 00:40:37,699 that's what really, I think, changed the game. 802 00:40:38,932 --> 00:40:41,566 MILNER: You could actually take them with you on the bus. 803 00:40:41,566 --> 00:40:44,366 You had the sound right there in your head. 804 00:40:44,366 --> 00:40:49,499 ♪ Do you really want to hurt me? ♪ 805 00:40:49,499 --> 00:40:53,799 ♪ Do you really want to make me cry? ♪ 806 00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:57,432 By 1983, the labels had records, 807 00:40:57,432 --> 00:40:58,866 and they had cassettes. 808 00:40:58,866 --> 00:41:02,832 They didn't see anything really new on the horizon. 809 00:41:07,290 --> 00:41:10,156 [ Speaking Japanese ] 810 00:41:10,156 --> 00:41:13,423 INTERPRETER: It's a disc, a digital audio disc, 811 00:41:13,423 --> 00:41:16,990 a gizmo so revolutionary that backers hope it will make 812 00:41:16,990 --> 00:41:19,190 records and tapes obsolete. 813 00:41:19,856 --> 00:41:22,556 KNOPPER: The CD sounded really, really good, 814 00:41:22,556 --> 00:41:24,256 but the record industry has always been 815 00:41:24,256 --> 00:41:26,923 deeply suspicious of new technology. 816 00:41:26,923 --> 00:41:29,923 Industry executives said, you know, "No F'ing way," basically. 817 00:41:29,923 --> 00:41:31,956 "We will never get the compact disc." 818 00:41:31,956 --> 00:41:35,990 And the reason was because they were so worried about piracy. 819 00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:37,990 When you copied a CD to a cassette tape, 820 00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:40,090 that was a pristine copy. 821 00:41:41,156 --> 00:41:42,656 But the CD was cool. 822 00:41:42,656 --> 00:41:45,623 At the time, it sounds so quaint now, but it was shiny, 823 00:41:45,623 --> 00:41:48,490 and if you tilted it a certain way, it looked like a rainbow. 824 00:41:48,490 --> 00:41:49,690 It didn't scratch, 825 00:41:49,690 --> 00:41:53,023 and you could play it, potentially, in your car, 826 00:41:53,023 --> 00:41:55,490 and so the consumers really liked this thing. 827 00:41:55,490 --> 00:42:00,823 ♪ These mist‐covered mountains ♪ 828 00:42:01,390 --> 00:42:03,256 And certain artists were saying, 829 00:42:03,256 --> 00:42:05,656 "We're gonna make much greater‐sounding records 830 00:42:05,656 --> 00:42:07,390 with this new technology." 831 00:42:07,390 --> 00:42:09,123 LUDWIG: Dire Straits, "Brothers in Arms" ‐‐ 832 00:42:09,123 --> 00:42:10,890 It was really the first compact disc 833 00:42:10,890 --> 00:42:15,090 that I mastered completely 100% as a CD. 834 00:42:15,090 --> 00:42:20,556 ♪ Through these fields of destruction ♪ 835 00:42:21,756 --> 00:42:24,456 ♪ Baptisms of fire ♪ 836 00:42:24,456 --> 00:42:25,956 KNOPFLER: "Brothers in Arms" itself 837 00:42:25,956 --> 00:42:27,823 struck a lot of chords with people. 838 00:42:27,823 --> 00:42:33,290 ♪ I've witnessed your suffering ♪ 839 00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:36,556 ♪ As the battle reached higher ♪ 840 00:42:36,556 --> 00:42:39,523 This fellow was a soldier in the Gulf War, 841 00:42:39,523 --> 00:42:41,790 and he said that they fought this tank battle all night, 842 00:42:41,790 --> 00:42:45,656 and then in the dawn, they just linked up all the tanks 843 00:42:45,656 --> 00:42:47,023 and played "Brothers in Arms." 844 00:42:47,023 --> 00:42:50,123 ♪ ... and alarm ♪ 845 00:42:52,123 --> 00:42:55,023 ♪ You did not desert me ♪ 846 00:42:55,023 --> 00:42:58,190 ♪ My brothers in arms ♪ 847 00:42:58,190 --> 00:43:00,156 Sometimes, I'll write a song 848 00:43:00,156 --> 00:43:02,923 that will somehow reverberate with events, 849 00:43:02,923 --> 00:43:05,456 and it can just be a success. 850 00:43:05,456 --> 00:43:09,056 At the time, I was just making another record. 851 00:43:10,723 --> 00:43:13,056 LUDWIG: Not only was it a great record, 852 00:43:13,056 --> 00:43:14,923 it was a real landmark CD, 853 00:43:14,923 --> 00:43:17,123 and lots of people bought compact discs 854 00:43:17,123 --> 00:43:18,590 because of that record. 855 00:43:18,590 --> 00:43:20,956 That record sold a lot of CD players. 856 00:43:21,690 --> 00:43:23,256 QUARTARARO: And towards the end of the '80s, 857 00:43:23,256 --> 00:43:26,356 people started to rebuy their music 858 00:43:26,356 --> 00:43:27,890 they already owned on vinyl. 859 00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:31,356 They started to repurchase the same collection on CD. 860 00:43:31,356 --> 00:43:35,990 $18, $19, $20 for a CD that was really worth no more, 861 00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:38,523 or maybe even less, than the LP. 862 00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:40,990 HADLEY: They ran a bit of a hustle. 863 00:43:40,990 --> 00:43:43,390 They were able to sell CDs 864 00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:46,223 and have maybe one or two good songs on it. 865 00:43:46,223 --> 00:43:48,923 IOVINE: You got a record deal, you got one song, 866 00:43:48,923 --> 00:43:51,956 you put 17 other songs on because they fit, 867 00:43:51,956 --> 00:43:56,356 and the people bought albums for $18 that had one song on it. 868 00:43:56,356 --> 00:44:00,523 WAS: When we look at the decline in the popularity of the album 869 00:44:00,523 --> 00:44:03,923 and of sales, I think that was just way worse 870 00:44:03,923 --> 00:44:05,490 than some college students 871 00:44:05,490 --> 00:44:07,656 downloading songs for free, you know. 872 00:44:07,656 --> 00:44:11,456 It was, like, making shitty records. [ Chuckles ] 873 00:44:14,156 --> 00:44:15,656 MAN: With the click of a mouse, 874 00:44:15,656 --> 00:44:19,390 Napster allows fans to download virtually any song 875 00:44:19,390 --> 00:44:20,490 completely free. 876 00:44:20,490 --> 00:44:22,423 MILNER: In 1999, some college students 877 00:44:22,423 --> 00:44:25,290 created a file‐sharing program called Napster. 878 00:44:25,290 --> 00:44:27,456 HADLEY: All of a sudden, people are like, "Wait a minute. 879 00:44:27,456 --> 00:44:29,756 I don't have to drive to the record store, pay $20 880 00:44:29,756 --> 00:44:32,356 to buy a CD that just has two songs on it that I like? 881 00:44:32,356 --> 00:44:37,423 I can sit at home and download countless albums for nothing?" 882 00:44:37,423 --> 00:44:40,223 And it just was like you just discovered 883 00:44:40,223 --> 00:44:41,656 this gold mine, you know. 884 00:44:41,656 --> 00:44:43,956 Just, all of a sudden, all of the music you want 885 00:44:43,956 --> 00:44:48,123 is right there in front of you, and it's very easy to download. 886 00:44:48,123 --> 00:44:50,856 STRANG: When they put music up for file sharing, 887 00:44:50,856 --> 00:44:53,156 40‐some‐odd million people came. 888 00:44:53,156 --> 00:44:54,523 And, you know, there were other companies, 889 00:44:54,523 --> 00:44:56,290 like, giving away money on the Internet, 890 00:44:56,290 --> 00:44:58,790 and you couldn't get 40 million people to come. 891 00:44:58,790 --> 00:45:02,090 So the power of music was the first thing that struck me. 892 00:45:02,090 --> 00:45:03,590 I was like, "Wow." 893 00:45:03,590 --> 00:45:06,756 MILNER: The courts struck down Napster after two years, 894 00:45:06,756 --> 00:45:10,056 but by then, there were all these services 895 00:45:10,056 --> 00:45:11,490 all over the Internet, 896 00:45:11,490 --> 00:45:15,790 and they all used the same new format ‐‐ the MP3. 897 00:45:15,790 --> 00:45:20,556 ♪ I am sitting in the morning at the diner on the corner ♪ 898 00:45:20,556 --> 00:45:23,090 ♪ I am waiting at the counter ♪ 899 00:45:23,090 --> 00:45:25,423 ♪ For the man to pour the coffee ♪ 900 00:45:25,423 --> 00:45:27,556 ♪ And he fills it only halfway ♪ 901 00:45:27,556 --> 00:45:32,623 ♪ And before I even argue, he is looking out the window ♪ 902 00:45:32,623 --> 00:45:34,856 ♪ At somebody coming in ♪ 903 00:45:34,856 --> 00:45:36,623 I was taking my daughter to school, 904 00:45:36,623 --> 00:45:39,190 and one of the parents that I didn't know turned to me 905 00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:42,090 and said, "Congratulations on being the mother of the MP3." 906 00:45:42,090 --> 00:45:44,523 ♪ To the woman who has come in ♪ 907 00:45:44,523 --> 00:45:46,990 ♪ She is shaking her umbrella ♪ 908 00:45:46,990 --> 00:45:49,156 So I went home and looked it up, and, sure enough, 909 00:45:49,156 --> 00:45:52,256 it had this story about how this engineer 910 00:45:52,256 --> 00:45:55,123 called Karlheinz Brandenburg had used 911 00:45:55,123 --> 00:45:58,556 the original unremixed version of "Tom's Diner" 912 00:45:58,556 --> 00:46:01,956 to test this thing he was working on, called the MP3. 913 00:46:02,923 --> 00:46:06,190 BRANDENBURG: My research was how to compress music in a way 914 00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:08,290 so that it would fit through a phone line, 915 00:46:08,290 --> 00:46:11,756 and I already thought, "I'm pretty much done. 916 00:46:11,756 --> 00:46:13,123 Everything works well." 917 00:46:13,123 --> 00:46:15,123 ♪ I open up the paper ♪ 918 00:46:15,123 --> 00:46:17,690 Someone was playing "Tom's Diner" down the hall. 919 00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:20,023 ♪ ... who had died while he was drinking ♪ 920 00:46:20,023 --> 00:46:21,623 BRANDENBURG: Suzanne Vega's voice 921 00:46:21,623 --> 00:46:24,756 sounds like she is standing in a room, 922 00:46:24,756 --> 00:46:27,756 and it's a very clear and clean voice, and I said, 923 00:46:27,756 --> 00:46:32,190 "Okay, I want to try to see what our algorithms do with it." 924 00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:37,523 ♪ I am sitting in the morning at the diner on the corner ♪ 925 00:46:37,523 --> 00:46:39,623 ♪ I am waiting at the counter ♪ 926 00:46:39,623 --> 00:46:43,623 Unfortunately, Suzanne Vega's voice was destroyed. 927 00:46:43,623 --> 00:46:45,290 [ Humming "Tom's Diner" ] 928 00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:46,723 It took us a couple of years 929 00:46:46,723 --> 00:46:52,356 until we really could do her voice perfectly clean. 930 00:46:53,056 --> 00:46:55,890 VEGA: I had no idea what would come next, 931 00:46:55,890 --> 00:46:58,390 and I met Karlheinz Brandenburg, 932 00:46:58,390 --> 00:47:00,856 and they were talking about this great new thing 933 00:47:00,856 --> 00:47:02,423 that was just gonna be the coolest. 934 00:47:02,423 --> 00:47:05,723 You could play music on your phone, on your cellphone. 935 00:47:05,723 --> 00:47:08,056 I remember thinking that's kind of ‐‐ Who cares? 936 00:47:08,056 --> 00:47:09,956 Like, I don't need to play music on my phone. 937 00:47:09,956 --> 00:47:13,190 I just did not see what the MP3 ‐‐ 938 00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:14,723 what the future was gonna be. 939 00:47:14,723 --> 00:47:15,790 I didn't see it coming. 940 00:47:15,790 --> 00:47:17,790 ♪ Da‐da, da‐da, da ♪ 941 00:47:17,790 --> 00:47:19,956 ♪ Da‐da, da‐da ♪ 942 00:47:19,956 --> 00:47:21,856 ♪ Da‐da, da‐da, da ♪ 943 00:47:21,856 --> 00:47:23,190 ♪ Da‐da, da‐da ♪ 944 00:47:23,423 --> 00:47:26,856 HADLEY: Early 2000s are really tumultuous period, 945 00:47:26,856 --> 00:47:28,723 because a format change. 946 00:47:28,723 --> 00:47:31,290 Digital technologies recalibrate almost everything 947 00:47:31,290 --> 00:47:32,723 about how we consume music. 948 00:47:32,723 --> 00:47:35,023 ♪ "It is always nice to see you" ♪ 949 00:47:35,023 --> 00:47:37,423 ♪ Says the man behind the counter ♪ 950 00:47:37,423 --> 00:47:39,323 WOMAN: You plug it into your computer 951 00:47:39,323 --> 00:47:40,990 and download your favorite songs. 952 00:47:40,990 --> 00:47:46,056 HADLEY: iTunes comes along and is selling songs for 99 cents. 953 00:47:46,056 --> 00:47:47,856 The music industry is just reeling. 954 00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:51,790 WOMAN: The best‐selling digital music player in the nation, 955 00:47:51,790 --> 00:47:54,890 revolutionizing the way Americans of all ages 956 00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:56,090 listen to music. 957 00:47:56,090 --> 00:47:58,056 HADLEY: MP3s unravel what we know 958 00:47:58,056 --> 00:48:00,123 about people wanting albums, 959 00:48:00,123 --> 00:48:01,423 and so, interestingly enough, 960 00:48:01,423 --> 00:48:03,890 we're back to a singles‐driven culture. 961 00:48:04,690 --> 00:48:06,156 We take it for granted now, 962 00:48:06,156 --> 00:48:09,190 but then it was a really remarkable concept 963 00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:13,590 that I could walk around with 10,000 songs in my pocket? 964 00:48:13,590 --> 00:48:15,190 ♪ Da‐da, da ♪ 965 00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:18,290 But then, with the era of YouTube, 966 00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:20,090 one of the main pieces of content 967 00:48:20,090 --> 00:48:21,690 that people want to upload is music. 968 00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:23,323 They want to upload their favorite song. 969 00:48:23,323 --> 00:48:24,623 They want to upload this video 970 00:48:24,623 --> 00:48:26,423 that they made to their favorite song. 971 00:48:26,423 --> 00:48:28,290 And YouTube still, I believe, 972 00:48:28,290 --> 00:48:31,156 is the number‐one music streaming service in the world. 973 00:48:31,156 --> 00:48:35,090 ♪ As long as you lo‐lo‐lo‐lo, lo‐lo‐lo‐lo... ♪ 974 00:48:35,090 --> 00:48:36,956 Justin Bieber's songs have been listened to ‐‐ 975 00:48:36,956 --> 00:48:40,256 Some of them have been listened to 400 million times on YouTube. 976 00:48:40,256 --> 00:48:42,556 We listen to music on our earbuds, 977 00:48:42,556 --> 00:48:46,723 over our telephones, through computers. 978 00:48:47,456 --> 00:48:49,723 MAN: When I'm listening to full albums on YouTube, 979 00:48:49,723 --> 00:48:51,156 people just upload them, 980 00:48:51,156 --> 00:48:53,156 and sometimes it'll just go to the next video. 981 00:48:53,156 --> 00:48:55,590 Oddly enough, YouTube is kind of like a new radio. 982 00:48:55,590 --> 00:48:57,856 CDs are just disappearing, you know? 983 00:48:57,856 --> 00:48:59,123 CDs are dead. 984 00:48:59,123 --> 00:49:00,990 ROSEN: Today, we have a format 985 00:49:00,990 --> 00:49:03,256 which is almost an invisible format. 986 00:49:03,256 --> 00:49:04,856 There is an amazing amount of, 987 00:49:04,856 --> 00:49:06,390 you know, these streaming services. 988 00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:09,623 My preferred method of listening to music is Spotify. 989 00:49:09,623 --> 00:49:10,623 Soundcloud. 990 00:49:10,623 --> 00:49:11,890 I Heart Radio. 991 00:49:11,890 --> 00:49:13,090 Sometimes Pandora. 992 00:49:13,090 --> 00:49:14,890 Sometimes iTunes. I'll buy songs. 993 00:49:14,890 --> 00:49:17,456 I don't know. I actually like that it's not physical. 994 00:49:17,456 --> 00:49:19,723 I feel like it saves time, energy, money. 995 00:49:19,723 --> 00:49:25,490 Our kids, our grandkids will literally be baffled by the idea 996 00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:27,390 that, at one point, people owned music. 997 00:49:27,390 --> 00:49:29,456 GARBUS: Whether we like it or not, 998 00:49:29,456 --> 00:49:31,823 people want music instantaneously 999 00:49:31,823 --> 00:49:33,423 at their fingertips. 1000 00:49:33,423 --> 00:49:37,490 I do. I want to turn on my Rdio or Spotify or whatever. 1001 00:49:37,490 --> 00:49:40,156 I want to say I really need to hear 1002 00:49:40,156 --> 00:49:42,723 "Dancing in the Sheets" by Shalamar right now. 1003 00:49:42,723 --> 00:49:48,856 ♪ You and me, we should be dancing in the sheets ♪ 1004 00:49:48,856 --> 00:49:50,256 And I can have that, you know? 1005 00:49:50,256 --> 00:49:52,490 That is just the world that we live in. 1006 00:49:53,756 --> 00:49:57,856 The problem I have is discovering good new music. 1007 00:49:57,856 --> 00:50:02,556 There's just an overwhelming abundance of material. 1008 00:50:02,556 --> 00:50:04,790 MANN: Trying to figure out which technology, 1009 00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:07,690 it became such a different experience on so many levels 1010 00:50:07,690 --> 00:50:09,590 that I just stopped listening to music. 1011 00:50:10,556 --> 00:50:13,290 It's only been lately that I've started again 1012 00:50:13,290 --> 00:50:15,556 and kind of almost giving myself permission 1013 00:50:15,556 --> 00:50:18,223 to jump back into stuff from the '70s 1014 00:50:18,223 --> 00:50:21,090 that I never paid any attention to, like Bread. 1015 00:50:21,090 --> 00:50:26,556 ♪ Hey, have you ever tried ♪ 1016 00:50:26,556 --> 00:50:31,490 ♪ Really reaching out for the other side? ♪ 1017 00:50:31,490 --> 00:50:34,223 KNOPPER: The format shift in the record industry, 1018 00:50:34,223 --> 00:50:37,023 I mean, on average is usually 15, 20 years. 1019 00:50:37,023 --> 00:50:38,790 Everything's up in the air now. 1020 00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:42,356 The next 5 to 10 years will be super‐interesting. 1021 00:50:42,356 --> 00:50:50,456 But the power of music will always be massive. 1022 00:50:50,456 --> 00:50:52,490 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 1023 00:50:52,490 --> 00:50:54,523 ♪ All right ♪ 1024 00:50:54,523 --> 00:50:58,956 ♪ Are you gonna be in my dreams tonight? ♪ 1025 00:50:58,956 --> 00:51:00,223 MARGOULEFF: It's about the song. 1026 00:51:00,223 --> 00:51:02,390 It's about the art, not the medium. 1027 00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:06,356 BOYD: Music transcends the technology, the format. 1028 00:51:06,356 --> 00:51:10,156 Whatever form you give it to me in, if the quality's good, 1029 00:51:10,156 --> 00:51:12,390 if I can access what I want to hear, 1030 00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:14,156 I'm a happy man. 1031 00:51:16,690 --> 00:51:20,290 QUARTARARO: What won't change is your relationship with music, 1032 00:51:20,290 --> 00:51:22,223 because sometime this year, 1033 00:51:22,223 --> 00:51:24,523 you're gonna hear a song that makes you want to cry. 1034 00:51:24,523 --> 00:51:27,790 And we human beings have been trying to work out 1035 00:51:27,790 --> 00:51:31,456 what it is about the mathematics of the arrangement 1036 00:51:31,456 --> 00:51:36,190 of musical notes that elicits an emotional response in us, 1037 00:51:36,190 --> 00:51:39,190 and it's still a mystery. 1038 00:51:44,256 --> 00:51:46,790 Our lives are pretty much defined by, what, 1039 00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:49,156 I don't know, 20, 30 records? 1040 00:51:49,156 --> 00:51:50,656 RZA: How many ever years passes 1041 00:51:50,656 --> 00:51:53,190 when you want to go back to your high‐school memory ‐‐ 1042 00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:54,523 A song could do it for you. 1043 00:51:54,523 --> 00:51:56,856 There's always that piano, that verse, 1044 00:51:56,856 --> 00:52:00,890 that voice, that beat, that cut, that scratch, that guitar riff, 1045 00:52:00,890 --> 00:52:02,556 that's gonna save your life. 1046 00:52:06,156 --> 00:52:09,090 I'm so grateful to all the musicians 1047 00:52:09,090 --> 00:52:12,323 that made the music that I ever heard, 1048 00:52:12,323 --> 00:52:17,823 because it all went in, and it enriched my life. 1049 00:52:17,823 --> 00:52:21,856 ♪ And in the end ♪ 1050 00:52:21,856 --> 00:52:25,723 ♪ The love you take ♪ 1051 00:52:25,723 --> 00:52:31,623 ♪ Is equal to the love ♪ 1052 00:52:31,623 --> 00:52:33,523 ♪ You make ♪ 1053 00:52:33,523 --> 00:52:37,056 And we've seen now 100 years of recorded sound, 1054 00:52:37,056 --> 00:52:40,890 and we've seen the effect of that sound on people, 1055 00:52:40,890 --> 00:52:43,790 and it has been quite remarkable. 1056 00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:45,256 It's changed our lives. 84533

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