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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,274 --> 00:00:09,710 WOMAN: I'm in Grandmaster Flash's dressing room, 2 00:00:09,710 --> 00:00:11,411 which is why I'm talking a bit funny, 3 00:00:11,411 --> 00:00:13,479 'cause it's making me actually quite nervous. Aah! 4 00:00:13,479 --> 00:00:16,617 And they're doing things like bodybuilding. 5 00:00:16,617 --> 00:00:18,251 And they're wearing surgical trusses. 6 00:00:18,251 --> 00:00:20,186 So they're obviously ready for the Tube. 7 00:00:20,186 --> 00:00:22,689 How did you get your scratch act together? 8 00:00:22,689 --> 00:00:25,025 We used to to this out in the parks for free. 9 00:00:25,025 --> 00:00:28,194 And for the way that I mix, I needed vocal entertainment 10 00:00:28,194 --> 00:00:30,130 in between the way that I played. 11 00:00:30,130 --> 00:00:31,397 So what it was is the vocals 12 00:00:31,397 --> 00:00:34,668 had to complement with what I was doing. 13 00:00:34,668 --> 00:00:36,503 So, at the time, throughout the span of maybe... 14 00:00:36,503 --> 00:00:40,140 NARRATOR: Hip hop had barely learned to crawl back in 1982. 15 00:00:40,140 --> 00:00:43,076 But it was about to jumpstart a revolution, 16 00:00:43,076 --> 00:00:47,413 made possible by a cutting‐edge technique known as sampling. 17 00:00:47,413 --> 00:00:50,784 [ "Me, Myself and I" plays ] 18 00:00:54,354 --> 00:00:55,656 ♪ Play it now ♪ 19 00:00:55,656 --> 00:00:57,758 ♪ Mirror, mirror on the wall ♪ 20 00:00:57,758 --> 00:00:59,926 ♪ Tell me, mirror, what is wrong? ♪ 21 00:00:59,926 --> 00:01:01,194 ♪ Can it be my... ♪ 22 00:01:01,194 --> 00:01:02,529 RZA: When hip hop came into my life, 23 00:01:02,529 --> 00:01:06,567 I became immediately just enamored by it. 24 00:01:06,567 --> 00:01:10,470 It was so much about taking it and making it 25 00:01:10,470 --> 00:01:14,641 and breaking some rules and telling your own story. 26 00:01:14,641 --> 00:01:17,644 It was being able to actually make something 27 00:01:17,644 --> 00:01:20,581 that seemed like a live recording with recordings 28 00:01:20,581 --> 00:01:21,915 ‐that already existed. ‐♪ Me, myself and I ♪ 29 00:01:21,915 --> 00:01:25,218 They're using music to create new music. 30 00:01:25,218 --> 00:01:28,154 There's no more important feeling in the world 31 00:01:28,154 --> 00:01:30,223 than that "War of the Worlds" moment. 32 00:01:30,223 --> 00:01:31,324 ♪ One style ♪ 33 00:01:31,324 --> 00:01:32,859 ♪ Work it, make it, do it ♪ 34 00:01:32,859 --> 00:01:35,629 ♪ Makes us harder, better, faster, stronger ♪ 35 00:01:35,629 --> 00:01:37,598 They weren't just sampling one sound. 36 00:01:37,598 --> 00:01:41,234 They realized they could sample, you know, dozens of sounds. 37 00:01:41,234 --> 00:01:44,705 Q‐TIP: We just had the advantage 38 00:01:44,705 --> 00:01:47,874 of hearing all different types of music. 39 00:01:47,874 --> 00:01:51,578 We created the world we lived in through our music, 40 00:01:51,578 --> 00:01:54,080 through our art, and through our culture 41 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,783 and it all was good. 42 00:01:56,783 --> 00:01:59,152 I didn't want to make a rap record. 43 00:01:59,152 --> 00:02:01,287 I wanted to create a revolution. 44 00:02:01,287 --> 00:02:04,257 ‐♪ I need ya right now ♪ ‐I think most of the best music 45 00:02:04,257 --> 00:02:08,595 was probably created by pushing the envelope of technology. 46 00:02:08,595 --> 00:02:12,165 NARRATOR: Sampling has gone far beyond hip hop. 47 00:02:12,165 --> 00:02:14,768 New styles have been built on it; 48 00:02:14,768 --> 00:02:17,904 the whole idea of songwriting, changed by it. 49 00:02:17,904 --> 00:02:19,873 For the last 40 years, 50 00:02:19,873 --> 00:02:23,677 no single technique has had a bigger impact on recording. 51 00:02:23,677 --> 00:02:25,646 Sampling is ‐‐ it's ‐‐ it's deep. 52 00:02:25,646 --> 00:02:27,514 For people to just write if off as like, 53 00:02:27,514 --> 00:02:29,149 "Oh, you're just stealing people's music," 54 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:31,451 like, they don't actually know what they're talking about. 55 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:39,125 [ Guitar strumming ] 56 00:02:39,125 --> 00:02:41,528 ‐HARRISON: What key is it in? ‐MAN: What key is it... 57 00:02:41,528 --> 00:02:44,598 McCARTNEY: It'll be in F for you. 58 00:02:45,331 --> 00:02:48,669 SPECTOR: Here we go. Just one more time. 59 00:02:48,669 --> 00:02:51,204 FRANKLIN: Right after I say, "Are you sure?" 60 00:02:51,204 --> 00:02:52,773 Da da da ‐‐ yeah. 61 00:02:52,773 --> 00:02:53,874 MAN: Oh. 62 00:02:55,475 --> 00:02:58,211 WILSON: Hal, here's how I want to do it. It's like this. 63 00:02:58,211 --> 00:03:00,413 BOWIE: All right, it's fun time. Fun time. 64 00:03:00,413 --> 00:03:03,083 ‐MAN #1: Here we go. ‐MAN #2: Oh, really? 65 00:03:03,083 --> 00:03:05,351 MAN #1: 17, take one. 66 00:03:05,852 --> 00:03:08,655 MAN #3: This will be a keeper. 67 00:03:20,233 --> 00:03:23,203 [ Mid‐tempo music plays ] 68 00:03:23,203 --> 00:03:27,941 MAN: Yeah... turn around and... 69 00:03:32,546 --> 00:03:34,548 JAM: Sampling is basically the ability 70 00:03:34,548 --> 00:03:39,586 to take a piece of a song and then loop it... 71 00:03:39,586 --> 00:03:41,655 You make it go over and over again, 72 00:03:41,655 --> 00:03:44,090 and then create a new song. 73 00:03:44,090 --> 00:03:45,425 SIMPSON: Which most people equate 74 00:03:45,425 --> 00:03:47,193 with stealing other people's music. 75 00:03:47,193 --> 00:03:49,530 This isn't exclusive to hip hop. 76 00:03:49,530 --> 00:03:52,265 This has been going on since the beginning of time. 77 00:03:52,265 --> 00:03:54,668 [ "Mary Had a Little Lamb" plays ] 78 00:03:54,668 --> 00:03:57,003 [ Mid‐tempo rock 'n' roll plays ] 79 00:03:57,003 --> 00:03:59,740 [ Crowd cheers ] 80 00:04:02,008 --> 00:04:04,377 There's really a limited number of notes 81 00:04:04,377 --> 00:04:06,046 and a limited number of chords. 82 00:04:06,046 --> 00:04:08,849 And these have all been replayed throughout history. 83 00:04:08,849 --> 00:04:12,118 Generally, we just assimilate the information, 84 00:04:12,118 --> 00:04:16,557 or the inspiration, and then disseminate it as our own bag. 85 00:04:16,557 --> 00:04:23,664 ♪ We‐e‐e‐e‐e‐ll ♪ 86 00:04:23,664 --> 00:04:26,600 ♪ I can't quit you, baby ♪ 87 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,504 ♪ But I gotta put you down for a while ♪ 88 00:04:30,504 --> 00:04:33,774 KRAMER: Led Zeppelin, rightly or wrongly, 89 00:04:33,774 --> 00:04:37,143 have taken the very best of the great blues guys 90 00:04:37,143 --> 00:04:40,714 ‐and made it their own. ‐♪ I can't quit you, baby ♪ 91 00:04:41,715 --> 00:04:46,452 ♪ But I've gotta put you down for a while ♪ 92 00:04:47,521 --> 00:04:49,656 The goal of sampling is not sampling. 93 00:04:49,656 --> 00:04:53,259 The goal of sampling is creating compelling music. 94 00:04:53,259 --> 00:04:56,963 [ Deejay scratches record ] 95 00:04:56,963 --> 00:05:00,033 My first encounter with hip hop, 96 00:05:00,033 --> 00:05:04,771 for me, was probably, like, 1976. 97 00:05:04,771 --> 00:05:06,106 I was doing it in Brooklyn. 98 00:05:06,106 --> 00:05:08,875 You know, they were doing it up in the Bronx. 99 00:05:11,344 --> 00:05:12,813 BAMBAATAA: South Bronx was an area 100 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:16,517 that was having many problems at the time. 101 00:05:16,517 --> 00:05:20,521 It was going through a street‐gang age. 102 00:05:20,521 --> 00:05:23,524 It also was an area that just came out 103 00:05:23,524 --> 00:05:27,193 of the drug scene that was happening at the time. 104 00:05:27,193 --> 00:05:28,962 And also it was an area that had 105 00:05:28,962 --> 00:05:30,964 good people who was hard workers. 106 00:05:30,964 --> 00:05:34,234 The one thing that never escaped us, though, was 107 00:05:34,234 --> 00:05:39,039 our love for music and our need to express ourselves. 108 00:05:39,039 --> 00:05:42,375 Even though we didn't have much, we put something together 109 00:05:42,375 --> 00:05:44,945 so that we could have a little bit more self‐esteem. 110 00:05:44,945 --> 00:05:48,815 Hip hop and rap was like the equivalent of ‐‐ 111 00:05:48,815 --> 00:05:52,118 of folk music ‐‐ 'cause folk music was always about, 112 00:05:52,118 --> 00:05:57,157 you know, problems ‐‐ social problems, political problems. 113 00:05:57,157 --> 00:06:01,562 And this actually was a voice in a new way. 114 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:07,668 The holy trinity of hip hop and rap music 115 00:06:07,668 --> 00:06:09,269 happened to be three deejays ‐‐ 116 00:06:09,269 --> 00:06:14,074 Kool DJ Herc, Afrika Bambaataa, and Grandmaster Flash. 117 00:06:14,074 --> 00:06:18,044 Two of the three actually have Caribbean roots. 118 00:06:18,044 --> 00:06:20,914 [ Singing reggae music ] 119 00:06:23,249 --> 00:06:27,287 The art of toasting comes out of the Caribbean, 120 00:06:27,287 --> 00:06:29,823 which is the guy who's the deejay 121 00:06:29,823 --> 00:06:33,760 would speak on top of the microphone on top of records. 122 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,462 That over‐dubbing process is the same reason 123 00:06:36,462 --> 00:06:38,665 they call reggae "dub music." 124 00:06:38,665 --> 00:06:41,167 [ Reggae music playing ] 125 00:06:44,170 --> 00:06:46,540 DJ SPOOKY: Some of the most incredible innovators, 126 00:06:46,540 --> 00:06:49,309 Lee "Scratch" Perry, King Tubby, 127 00:06:49,309 --> 00:06:52,679 they were producers who would do a whole album of one rhythm 128 00:06:52,679 --> 00:06:55,248 and then have different MCs, you know, rhyme over it. 129 00:06:55,248 --> 00:06:58,852 KING: I often describe hip hop as a kind of result 130 00:06:58,852 --> 00:07:01,888 of the Caribbean‐ization of global popular culture. 131 00:07:01,888 --> 00:07:04,024 You had immigrants coming from Latin America, 132 00:07:04,024 --> 00:07:06,392 and particularly from the Caribbean, in larger numbers 133 00:07:06,392 --> 00:07:10,697 and very often, they were moving to lower‐income neighborhoods, 134 00:07:10,697 --> 00:07:12,666 like the Bronx, in the 1970s. 135 00:07:12,666 --> 00:07:15,502 They also brought their culture to the Bronx. 136 00:07:15,502 --> 00:07:18,839 And in particular, one of the things that they brought ‐‐ 137 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:20,106 or Jamaicans brought, in particular ‐‐ 138 00:07:20,106 --> 00:07:21,374 was the culture of sound systems ‐‐ 139 00:07:21,374 --> 00:07:24,044 mobile portable sound systems. 140 00:07:25,712 --> 00:07:29,783 When Kuhar give a party, everybody be there. 141 00:07:29,783 --> 00:07:31,585 HADLEY: If you talk to Kuhar, 142 00:07:31,585 --> 00:07:33,253 or a lot of those guys from the early era, 143 00:07:33,253 --> 00:07:36,523 they were literally drawing on the content that was around them 144 00:07:36,523 --> 00:07:38,258 and just experimenting 145 00:07:38,258 --> 00:07:42,495 and managed to create something that changed the musical world. 146 00:07:42,495 --> 00:07:45,298 ‐Is Manhattan in the house? ‐Yeah! 147 00:07:45,298 --> 00:07:47,601 ‐Is the Bronx in the house? ‐Yeah! 148 00:07:47,601 --> 00:07:51,137 ‐Is everybody in the house? ‐Q‐TIP: Everybody kind of knows 149 00:07:51,137 --> 00:07:53,273 about the traditional block party. 150 00:07:53,273 --> 00:07:56,810 Growing up, you know, black, the block party involved 151 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:59,179 speakers and deejays and party 152 00:07:59,179 --> 00:08:00,947 and party punch and all that stuff. 153 00:08:00,947 --> 00:08:03,684 When we formulated this whole movement called hip hop, 154 00:08:03,684 --> 00:08:06,787 we was usin' turntables that we would bring 155 00:08:06,787 --> 00:08:08,822 that your mom and pop used to have in the house. 156 00:08:08,822 --> 00:08:10,290 ‐♪ EZ ♪ ‐♪ Ay, D ♪ 157 00:08:10,290 --> 00:08:12,626 ♪ Makin' your girl scream, but get on... ♪ 158 00:08:12,626 --> 00:08:15,962 Rap is about two aspects of music. 159 00:08:15,962 --> 00:08:19,800 It's the deejay and it's the MC. 160 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,804 The deejay is the one that gave birth to the MC. 161 00:08:23,804 --> 00:08:27,340 But it's the MCs that gave popularity to the deejay. 162 00:08:27,340 --> 00:08:30,143 Q‐TIP: You had people who would be like, "Yes, indeed, 163 00:08:30,143 --> 00:08:32,613 in the place to be, New York Ci‐ty. 164 00:08:32,613 --> 00:08:34,347 You know we cooler than a blade of grass. 165 00:08:34,347 --> 00:08:36,482 And, you know, we showin' up for your ass. 166 00:08:36,482 --> 00:08:37,784 This is what we gonna do tonight. 167 00:08:37,784 --> 00:08:39,119 Everybody's gonna get right. 168 00:08:39,119 --> 00:08:41,087 We gonna make sure that everybody gets up 169 00:08:41,087 --> 00:08:43,590 and get tight to this jam right here." 170 00:08:43,590 --> 00:08:47,327 I used to pay $20 for a live recording 171 00:08:47,327 --> 00:08:51,698 of African Bambaataa before rap was ever out there. 172 00:08:51,698 --> 00:08:55,636 But we used to rap over James Brown big beats, 173 00:08:55,636 --> 00:08:57,270 because on a James Brown record, 174 00:08:57,270 --> 00:09:00,273 it was always a funky drummer beat for the MC. 175 00:09:00,273 --> 00:09:02,008 ♪ Oh, let me tell ya ♪ 176 00:09:02,008 --> 00:09:03,710 ♪ What ya gotta do ♪ 177 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:05,712 ♪ TCB so mellow ♪ 178 00:09:05,712 --> 00:09:07,714 ♪ Nobody can get through ♪ 179 00:09:07,714 --> 00:09:09,750 ♪ When he asks do you love him ♪ 180 00:09:09,750 --> 00:09:11,618 ♪ Smile and kiss his cheek ♪ 181 00:09:11,618 --> 00:09:13,587 ♪ Walk away and twist your hip ♪ 182 00:09:13,587 --> 00:09:15,421 ♪ Make sure you keep him weak ♪ 183 00:09:15,421 --> 00:09:19,726 RZA: James Brown was called the Godfather of Soul, right? 184 00:09:19,726 --> 00:09:22,428 You know, I used to buy his records 185 00:09:22,428 --> 00:09:23,897 and scratch them all day. 186 00:09:23,897 --> 00:09:25,866 Some of his kicks, some of his snares, 187 00:09:25,866 --> 00:09:28,068 has found its way into all of our music. 188 00:09:28,068 --> 00:09:30,871 You know, if you think of a song like "Funky Drummer." 189 00:09:30,871 --> 00:09:33,173 [ As Brown ] One, two, three, four... 190 00:09:33,173 --> 00:09:34,941 ♪ Buh‐doo‐doo‐doo, ah‐ah, tik‐ah‐ah‐ah ♪ 191 00:09:34,941 --> 00:09:38,912 ♪ Tik‐uh‐‐uh ah ah, uh‐eh ah ♪ 192 00:09:38,912 --> 00:09:41,147 I mean, we used to cut that up all day 193 00:09:41,147 --> 00:09:43,016 and then rap on it, slow it down, 194 00:09:43,016 --> 00:09:44,818 ‐speed it up. ‐♪ Ain't it funky ♪ 195 00:09:44,818 --> 00:09:47,420 ♪ Ha! Ain't it funky ♪ 196 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:49,355 BAMBAATAA: James Brown. 197 00:09:49,355 --> 00:09:53,326 What he played in his role in hip hop ‐‐ 198 00:09:53,326 --> 00:09:54,895 let's put it this way. 199 00:09:54,895 --> 00:09:58,899 All music would stink if there wasn't no James Brown. 200 00:09:58,899 --> 00:10:02,435 [ Mid‐tempo music plays ] 201 00:10:03,003 --> 00:10:06,507 CHUCK D.: I thought it was inconceivable in 1978, 202 00:10:06,507 --> 00:10:08,274 and even the beginnings of 1979, 203 00:10:08,274 --> 00:10:10,744 that there ever could be a rap record, 204 00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:13,780 because to me, rap was a big event. 205 00:10:13,780 --> 00:10:15,916 It was a hip‐hop party. 206 00:10:15,916 --> 00:10:17,851 [ "Good Times" plays ] 207 00:10:17,851 --> 00:10:20,521 ♪ Good times ♪ 208 00:10:20,521 --> 00:10:24,224 ♪ These are the good times ♪ 209 00:10:24,891 --> 00:10:28,529 ♪ Our new state of mind ♪ 210 00:10:28,995 --> 00:10:32,232 ♪ These are the good times ♪ 211 00:10:32,232 --> 00:10:34,067 CHUCK D.: Chic comes out with "Good Times," 212 00:10:34,067 --> 00:10:35,669 this slow, funky record 213 00:10:35,669 --> 00:10:38,271 which was totally different than anything else they did, 214 00:10:38,271 --> 00:10:42,308 which just knocked off their disco following 215 00:10:42,308 --> 00:10:44,177 and said, "Y'all got to get funky like this." 216 00:10:44,177 --> 00:10:46,780 Everywhere I went that summer, you heard, you know, 217 00:10:46,780 --> 00:10:50,450 that beat and, you know, those vocals. 218 00:10:50,450 --> 00:10:52,986 ♪ Let's all do it again ♪ 219 00:10:52,986 --> 00:10:54,588 ♪ Boys will be boys ♪ 220 00:10:54,588 --> 00:10:57,123 ♪ Better let them have their toys ♪ 221 00:10:57,123 --> 00:10:58,959 ♪ Girls will be girls ♪ 222 00:10:58,959 --> 00:11:01,094 ♪ Cute ponytails and curls ♪ 223 00:11:01,094 --> 00:11:03,830 RODGERS: After "Good Times" went number one, 224 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:08,201 you saw a slew of "Good Times" imitators. 225 00:11:08,201 --> 00:11:12,939 BOYD: 1979, Sylvia Robinson, former R&B singer, 226 00:11:12,939 --> 00:11:14,841 is in New York. 227 00:11:14,841 --> 00:11:16,042 She's got a son. 228 00:11:16,042 --> 00:11:17,443 They want to do a record 229 00:11:17,443 --> 00:11:21,281 that sort of replicates the party experience 230 00:11:21,281 --> 00:11:24,751 that's taking place in, like, you know, the South Bronx. 231 00:11:24,751 --> 00:11:26,520 Sylvia Robinson tended to be 232 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,423 somewhat of an unsung, you know, pioneer in a lot of ways. 233 00:11:30,423 --> 00:11:32,325 She just knew what was happening in the clubs 234 00:11:32,325 --> 00:11:34,094 and in these other places in New York. 235 00:11:34,094 --> 00:11:36,162 And so she, in a sensible way, 236 00:11:36,162 --> 00:11:38,498 approached people like Grandmaster Flash 237 00:11:38,498 --> 00:11:42,268 and approached Lovebug Starski, who are all these top deejays, 238 00:11:42,268 --> 00:11:44,070 and they all said, "This is never gonna work. 239 00:11:44,070 --> 00:11:45,672 We're not interested. Move on." 240 00:11:45,672 --> 00:11:49,743 The story goes that her son ‐‐ I think his name's Joey ‐‐ 241 00:11:49,743 --> 00:11:51,444 is in a pizza parlor in New Jersey. 242 00:11:51,444 --> 00:11:55,381 He hears this guy who's, like, rapping along to a tape. 243 00:11:55,381 --> 00:11:56,950 WANG: And said, "Well, do you know anyone else 244 00:11:56,950 --> 00:11:58,819 who can recite rhymes like you do?" 245 00:11:58,819 --> 00:12:00,253 And this guy thought about it 246 00:12:00,253 --> 00:12:02,556 and went and recruited a bunch of his friends, 247 00:12:02,556 --> 00:12:05,659 and auditioned for the Robinsons in the back of a car. 248 00:12:05,659 --> 00:12:08,061 And the Robinsons seemed satisfied, 249 00:12:08,061 --> 00:12:11,031 so they brought them out to Sugar Hill Studios, 250 00:12:11,031 --> 00:12:13,800 where they had a band replaying the groove 251 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,637 ‐to Chic's "Good Times." ‐♪ Clams on the half‐shell ♪ 252 00:12:16,637 --> 00:12:19,640 And that became the sound bit for the song "Rapper's Delight." 253 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,408 [ "Rapper's Delight" plays ] 254 00:12:25,345 --> 00:12:27,380 ♪ I said a hip, hop, the hippie ♪ 255 00:12:27,380 --> 00:12:28,915 ♪ The hippie to the hip hip hop ♪ 256 00:12:28,915 --> 00:12:30,483 ♪ And you don't stop the rockin' ♪ 257 00:12:30,483 --> 00:12:32,052 ♪ To the bang‐bang boogie, say, up jump the boogie ♪ 258 00:12:32,052 --> 00:12:33,954 ♪ To the rhythm of the boogity beat ♪ 259 00:12:33,954 --> 00:12:36,122 ♪ Now, what you hear is not a test ♪ 260 00:12:36,122 --> 00:12:38,391 ♪ I'm rappin' to the beat ♪ 261 00:12:38,391 --> 00:12:41,962 I used to hang out at this club and typically, at clubs, 262 00:12:41,962 --> 00:12:43,997 when the deejay needs to go to the bathroom, 263 00:12:43,997 --> 00:12:45,532 they'll put on a reel‐to‐reel tape recorder 264 00:12:45,532 --> 00:12:48,001 or they'll put on a very long record. 265 00:12:48,001 --> 00:12:50,436 I heard this song that I knew wasn't us playing, 266 00:12:50,436 --> 00:12:53,273 but I knew it was derivative of our record. 267 00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:57,878 So I thought that they had gotten a band to copy our groove 268 00:12:57,878 --> 00:13:00,814 so that the rapper, meaning the deejay, 269 00:13:00,814 --> 00:13:03,416 ‐could rap over it. ‐♪ I brought two friends along ♪ 270 00:13:03,416 --> 00:13:05,385 ♪ And next on the mike is my man Hank ♪ 271 00:13:05,385 --> 00:13:06,787 ♪ Come on, Hank, sing that song ♪ 272 00:13:06,787 --> 00:13:08,321 ♪ Check it out ♪ 273 00:13:08,321 --> 00:13:10,390 RODGERS: I looked in the deejay booth, and it was empty. 274 00:13:10,390 --> 00:13:13,359 I was like, "Whoa. How the hell is he doing that?" 275 00:13:13,359 --> 00:13:16,797 I look at the bar, and I see the deejay. 276 00:13:16,797 --> 00:13:18,632 And I said, "What is that?" 277 00:13:18,632 --> 00:13:21,201 And he says, "Man, it's the hottest record in town. 278 00:13:21,201 --> 00:13:23,904 I just bought this, this afternoon, up in Harlem." 279 00:13:23,904 --> 00:13:25,471 I said, "You bought that?" 280 00:13:25,471 --> 00:13:28,208 'Cause it really was clearly the "Good Times" bassline. 281 00:13:28,208 --> 00:13:32,546 ♪ I got a Lincoln Continental and a sunroof Cadillac ♪ 282 00:13:32,546 --> 00:13:34,681 ♪ So after school, I take a dip in the pool ♪ 283 00:13:34,681 --> 00:13:37,183 ‐♪ Which is really on the wall ♪ ‐CHUCK D.: It was like 284 00:13:37,183 --> 00:13:39,119 a Big Bang Theory when the rap record came out. 285 00:13:39,119 --> 00:13:40,954 But it was like people were headed 286 00:13:40,954 --> 00:13:42,589 towards something that they didn't know. 287 00:13:42,589 --> 00:13:43,924 It sounds like "Good Times" 288 00:13:43,924 --> 00:13:46,326 with percussion from this other record. 289 00:13:46,326 --> 00:13:47,894 And I'm like, "What the fuck is that?" 290 00:13:47,894 --> 00:13:50,531 It's hard to describe whether it kind of blew my mind 291 00:13:50,531 --> 00:13:53,233 or it was just, like, "Shit, I've been waiting for this." 292 00:13:53,233 --> 00:13:55,268 It was a "War of the Worlds" moment. 293 00:13:55,268 --> 00:14:00,140 It was the first official rap record. 294 00:14:00,140 --> 00:14:02,042 CHUCK D.: And that right there is the beginning 295 00:14:02,042 --> 00:14:04,177 of rap music going into overdrive. 296 00:14:04,177 --> 00:14:06,046 ♪ Then you take her friend ♪ 297 00:14:06,046 --> 00:14:08,214 ♪ Uh, Master Gee, am I mellow? ♪ 298 00:14:08,214 --> 00:14:09,816 ♪ It's on you, so whatcha gonna do? ♪ 299 00:14:09,816 --> 00:14:12,285 ♪ Well, it's on and on, and on, on, and on ♪ 300 00:14:12,285 --> 00:14:15,188 ♪ The beat don't stop until the break of dawn ♪ 301 00:14:15,188 --> 00:14:17,090 WANG: The success of "Rapper's Delight" 302 00:14:17,090 --> 00:14:18,592 took everyone by surprise. 303 00:14:18,592 --> 00:14:21,695 No one expected it to be as globally popular as it was. 304 00:14:21,695 --> 00:14:24,364 Hip hop, in the early '80s, you could say was divided 305 00:14:24,364 --> 00:14:26,299 between the uptown, which was the Bronx, 306 00:14:26,299 --> 00:14:27,801 which was the origin of hip hop, 307 00:14:27,801 --> 00:14:30,403 and it was gritty, it was street. 308 00:14:30,403 --> 00:14:31,905 And then you had the downtown scene 309 00:14:31,905 --> 00:14:33,339 where you have, kind of ‐‐ 310 00:14:33,339 --> 00:14:35,509 graffiti now enters into these art spaces. 311 00:14:35,509 --> 00:14:38,111 ♪ Fab 5 Freddy told me everybody's fly ♪ 312 00:14:38,111 --> 00:14:40,246 ♪ Deejay spinnin', I said my, my ♪ 313 00:14:40,246 --> 00:14:42,816 ♪ Flash is fast, Flash is cool ♪ 314 00:14:42,816 --> 00:14:45,852 And it was really the work of a couple of people 315 00:14:45,852 --> 00:14:47,721 that helped bridge that gap. 316 00:14:47,721 --> 00:14:49,322 Obviously, Fab 5 Freddy, 317 00:14:49,322 --> 00:14:52,325 namechecked by Debbie Harry in a Blondie song, 318 00:14:52,325 --> 00:14:56,530 who helped bridge that huge social‐cultural gap 319 00:14:56,530 --> 00:15:00,734 between 160‐something‐th Street and below 14th Street. 320 00:15:00,734 --> 00:15:03,970 The hip‐hop thing sort of came out with, you know, 321 00:15:03,970 --> 00:15:08,274 "Oh, man, you know, it's like this is that and this is that, 322 00:15:08,274 --> 00:15:10,443 and it's fucked up and blah, blah, blah." 323 00:15:10,443 --> 00:15:13,814 And it was just a different kind of voice. 324 00:15:13,814 --> 00:15:15,916 You know, it was a fresh voice. 325 00:15:15,916 --> 00:15:19,352 [ Mid‐tempo techno music plays ] 326 00:15:23,690 --> 00:15:27,060 I was in Brooklyn at the Record Factory shop 327 00:15:27,060 --> 00:15:29,262 in Brooklyn at Atlantic Avenue. 328 00:15:29,262 --> 00:15:31,965 And when I heard that, I was like, "What is that?" 329 00:15:31,965 --> 00:15:33,867 I went to the guys who ran the shop, 330 00:15:33,867 --> 00:15:35,936 and they went, "Oh, that's the new Kraftwerk." 331 00:15:35,936 --> 00:15:39,039 "God, that ‐‐" I said, "That beat's unbelievable." 332 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:41,441 I want to, you know, I want to use that beat. 333 00:15:41,441 --> 00:15:44,110 And that was pretty much "Planet Rock." 334 00:15:44,110 --> 00:15:46,479 [ "Planet Rock" plays ] 335 00:16:00,627 --> 00:16:03,329 McDANIELS: Afrika Bambaataa and the Zulu Nation ‐‐ 336 00:16:03,329 --> 00:16:05,298 Afrika Bambaataa was the leader 337 00:16:05,298 --> 00:16:08,268 of the biggest street gang in New York City. 338 00:16:08,268 --> 00:16:10,036 They didn't make a record talking about 339 00:16:10,036 --> 00:16:13,940 how many gang fights they won, how many guns they had, 340 00:16:13,940 --> 00:16:17,644 how much drugs they did move through their own communities. 341 00:16:17,644 --> 00:16:19,145 They wrote "Planet Rock" 342 00:16:19,145 --> 00:16:21,982 because they were envisioning a better life 343 00:16:21,982 --> 00:16:24,851 for all those people in the South Bronx who had nothing. 344 00:16:24,851 --> 00:16:28,822 BAMBAATAA: I used hip hop as a cultural movement 345 00:16:28,822 --> 00:16:32,325 to bring many people together to be part of 346 00:16:32,325 --> 00:16:36,296 what we call the one race ‐‐ the human race. 347 00:16:36,296 --> 00:16:39,099 I think the first time I heard "Planet Rock" 348 00:16:39,099 --> 00:16:41,301 was in a club in New York. 349 00:16:41,301 --> 00:16:45,906 And the tune just had ‐‐ was just heavy in a way 350 00:16:45,906 --> 00:16:50,010 that I had, like, never heard a track sound like before. 351 00:16:50,010 --> 00:16:51,678 BAKER: When Bambaataa deejayed, 352 00:16:51,678 --> 00:16:55,315 he would play the Monkees, he'd play Aerosmith. 353 00:16:55,315 --> 00:16:58,351 He'd just play records that no one else would play. 354 00:16:58,351 --> 00:17:00,654 He just cared that the beats were funky 355 00:17:00,654 --> 00:17:04,457 and he would find funky beats anywhere. 356 00:17:04,457 --> 00:17:07,027 WANG: Sampling technology by the 1980s 357 00:17:07,027 --> 00:17:09,462 were, you know, intrepid producers. 358 00:17:09,462 --> 00:17:11,698 Afrika Bambaataa, Arthur Baker 359 00:17:11,698 --> 00:17:13,900 discovered that you can now use this ability 360 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:16,469 to take a few seconds from a song, from a record, 361 00:17:16,469 --> 00:17:18,038 from any kind of sound source, 362 00:17:18,038 --> 00:17:21,207 and replay it endlessly because of digital technology. 363 00:17:21,207 --> 00:17:22,643 MAN: They know she's pushing the word "like." 364 00:17:22,643 --> 00:17:24,611 So you'll all go, "Like," real strong. 365 00:17:24,611 --> 00:17:26,913 ♪ Electronic jams, like... ♪ 366 00:17:26,913 --> 00:17:28,181 One, two, three... 367 00:17:28,181 --> 00:17:30,517 ‐♪ Like! ♪ ‐Yeah. 368 00:17:30,517 --> 00:17:34,254 RZA: The first sampler only sampled maybe 1 or 2 seconds. 369 00:17:34,254 --> 00:17:36,489 What it allowed a producer to do 370 00:17:36,489 --> 00:17:39,760 was to actually capture a snare or a sound 371 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,195 from the records he used to scratch. 372 00:17:42,195 --> 00:17:44,497 And that was a revolutionary thing for us 373 00:17:44,497 --> 00:17:47,000 as hip‐hop producers, because now, you know, 374 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,771 we could take the same thing that we would deejay all day ‐‐ 375 00:17:50,771 --> 00:17:52,539 'cause before you had to have a 4‐track, 376 00:17:52,539 --> 00:17:54,641 two turntables and you'll ‐‐ you'll keep scratchin' 377 00:17:54,641 --> 00:17:56,643 back and forth and you'll overdub. 378 00:17:56,643 --> 00:17:59,045 But now, you just capture the loop, 379 00:17:59,045 --> 00:18:02,048 loop it, and actually create a song 380 00:18:02,048 --> 00:18:05,652 and the template of your music with these samplers. 381 00:18:05,652 --> 00:18:09,255 Technology has just taken a giant leap forward. 382 00:18:09,255 --> 00:18:10,691 Hello, I'm Roger Linn, 383 00:18:10,691 --> 00:18:13,827 and this is the MPC60 Midi Production Center, 384 00:18:13,827 --> 00:18:16,396 created by myself and Akai Professional. 385 00:18:16,396 --> 00:18:19,199 MILNER: Roger Linn foresaw that sampling could be something 386 00:18:19,199 --> 00:18:21,835 that people would really want to get behind. 387 00:18:21,835 --> 00:18:23,904 What he didn't really foresee ‐‐ 388 00:18:23,904 --> 00:18:26,106 and that goes for a lot of the early sampling people ‐‐ 389 00:18:26,106 --> 00:18:28,609 which was sampling complete, you know, sections of music, 390 00:18:28,609 --> 00:18:32,145 actual audio, and using that as the basis of songs. 391 00:18:35,215 --> 00:18:36,583 ‐♪ We have ♪ ‐♪ We have ♪ 392 00:18:36,583 --> 00:18:38,585 ‐♪ We have ♪ ‐♪ Say what? ♪ 393 00:18:38,585 --> 00:18:42,956 ♪ A whole lot of superstars on this stage here tonight ♪ 394 00:18:42,956 --> 00:18:45,592 ♪ But I want y'all to know one thing ♪ 395 00:18:45,592 --> 00:18:48,261 ♪ This is my house ♪ 396 00:18:48,261 --> 00:18:50,263 ♪ And when I say, "Whose house?" ♪ 397 00:18:50,263 --> 00:18:52,198 ♪ Y'all know what time it is ♪ 398 00:18:52,198 --> 00:18:53,800 ♪ Whose house? ♪ 399 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,469 McDANIELS: Some people think Run‐D. M. C. started hip hop. 400 00:18:56,469 --> 00:18:58,171 Before Run‐D. M. C. came along, 401 00:18:58,171 --> 00:19:00,373 everybody was rapping over disco. 402 00:19:00,373 --> 00:19:03,544 When we came along, we looked and said, 403 00:19:03,544 --> 00:19:06,146 "Okay, how we gonna fit in?" 404 00:19:06,146 --> 00:19:07,514 So Run‐D. M. C. said, 405 00:19:07,514 --> 00:19:09,716 "Ain't nobody rockin' over rock records." 406 00:19:09,716 --> 00:19:12,586 ♪ Gan‐ing, boom‐ba‐bam‐boom ♪ 407 00:19:12,586 --> 00:19:15,355 ♪ I'm the king of rock, there is none higher ♪ 408 00:19:15,355 --> 00:19:17,591 ♪ Sucker MCs should call me sire ♪ 409 00:19:17,591 --> 00:19:20,026 ♪ To burn my kingdom, you must use fire ♪ 410 00:19:20,026 --> 00:19:22,395 ♪ I won't stop rockin' till I retire ♪ 411 00:19:22,395 --> 00:19:24,765 ♪ Now we rock the party and come correct ♪ 412 00:19:24,765 --> 00:19:27,033 ♪ Our cuts are on time and rhymes connect ♪ 413 00:19:27,033 --> 00:19:29,302 ♪ Got the right to vote and will elect ♪ 414 00:19:29,302 --> 00:19:32,238 ♪ And other rappers can't stand us but give us respect ♪ 415 00:19:32,238 --> 00:19:34,407 We used creativity, 416 00:19:34,407 --> 00:19:37,243 which created innovation, what created evolution. 417 00:19:37,243 --> 00:19:39,379 ♪ I am from around the way ♪ 418 00:19:39,379 --> 00:19:41,648 ♪ And Run goes to school every day ♪ 419 00:19:41,648 --> 00:19:44,184 We didn't say we were the kings of rap. 420 00:19:44,184 --> 00:19:45,519 We said the the kings of rock, 421 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:46,987 because we wanted to go take the throne 422 00:19:46,987 --> 00:19:50,657 from Mick Jagger, Elvis Presley, and Michael Jackson. 423 00:19:50,657 --> 00:19:53,760 Imitating is not allowed in hip hop or music. 424 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,599 ♪ She said, walk this way, talk this way ♪ 425 00:19:58,599 --> 00:20:02,135 ♪ Walk this way, talk this way ♪ 426 00:20:02,135 --> 00:20:03,870 ♪ Just gimme a kiss ♪ 427 00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:07,040 RUBIN: The original Aerosmith version of "Walk this Way" 428 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,344 was a popular break beat used by deejays in the hip‐hop world. 429 00:20:11,344 --> 00:20:12,846 "Walk this Way" was just gonna be 430 00:20:12,846 --> 00:20:15,949 me and Run rapping about how good we were. 431 00:20:15,949 --> 00:20:17,818 ♪ Tss da doo‐doo‐doo da ♪ 432 00:20:17,818 --> 00:20:19,352 ♪ Buh‐duh‐duh duh‐duh‐duh‐duh ♪ 433 00:20:19,352 --> 00:20:21,387 ♪ I'm D. M. C., the K‐I‐N‐G ♪ 434 00:20:21,387 --> 00:20:23,089 ♪ Been rhymin' on the mike since '83 ♪ 435 00:20:23,089 --> 00:20:25,025 ♪ There will never be an MC like me ♪ 436 00:20:25,025 --> 00:20:27,460 ♪ I'll be rhymin' and rulin' for eternity ‐‐ ♪ Whatever. 437 00:20:27,460 --> 00:20:31,364 Rick Rubin, who was producing us at the time, 438 00:20:31,364 --> 00:20:35,569 walks in the studio and goes, "Guys, y'all know who this is?" 439 00:20:35,569 --> 00:20:37,704 ♪ Seesaw swingin' with the boys in the school ♪ 440 00:20:37,704 --> 00:20:39,740 ♪ With your feet flyin' up in the air ♪ 441 00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:41,542 ‐♪ Singin' "Hey diddle‐diddle" ♪ ‐RUBIN: When I suggested 442 00:20:41,542 --> 00:20:44,077 to Run‐D. M. C. that we do a song using "Walk this Way," 443 00:20:44,077 --> 00:20:45,779 I played them the beat and they were like, 444 00:20:45,779 --> 00:20:47,614 "Oh, yeah, we rap over that all the time." 445 00:20:47,614 --> 00:20:49,415 McDANIELS: "This is 'Toys in the Attic.'" 446 00:20:49,415 --> 00:20:51,451 "Nah, the name of this group is Aerosmith. 447 00:20:51,451 --> 00:20:53,353 The name of that song is 'Walk this Way.'" 448 00:20:53,353 --> 00:20:54,788 He gives us the 411. 449 00:20:54,788 --> 00:20:57,824 He finishes and we looking at him like this: "And?" 450 00:20:57,824 --> 00:21:02,696 And I said, "But instead of writing new words to it, 451 00:21:02,696 --> 00:21:06,299 let's use the original words that Aerosmith used 452 00:21:06,299 --> 00:21:09,636 as a way to demonstrate the connection 453 00:21:09,636 --> 00:21:12,238 between rap music and rock 'n' roll." 454 00:21:12,238 --> 00:21:13,974 [ "Walk This Way" plays ] 455 00:21:13,974 --> 00:21:17,443 Jay goes ‐‐ Rest in peace, Jay ‐‐ 456 00:21:17,443 --> 00:21:19,412 being the great innovator he was, 457 00:21:19,412 --> 00:21:22,215 [as Jay] "Yo, that might be a good idea." 458 00:21:22,215 --> 00:21:23,717 We had never heard the lyrics. 459 00:21:23,717 --> 00:21:25,351 Rick Rubin says, "Here, take the record. 460 00:21:25,351 --> 00:21:27,754 Go to your basement, and you and Run learn the lyrics." 461 00:21:27,754 --> 00:21:30,056 Me and Run put the needle on the record. 462 00:21:30,056 --> 00:21:31,892 So that shit said... 463 00:21:31,892 --> 00:21:33,827 ♪ Da‐na‐na‐na nu‐na‐na nu‐nu ♪ 464 00:21:33,827 --> 00:21:35,495 ♪ Backstroke lover hidin' under the cover ♪ 465 00:21:35,495 --> 00:21:36,730 Me and Run get on the phone. 466 00:21:36,730 --> 00:21:38,565 "Yo, Rick and Jay, this isn't rap. 467 00:21:38,565 --> 00:21:40,701 This isn't hip hop. We are not doing this record." 468 00:21:40,701 --> 00:21:42,803 Russell's screaming at us. Rick's screaming at us. 469 00:21:42,803 --> 00:21:44,370 Jay's screaming at us. "We're not doing this record." 470 00:21:44,370 --> 00:21:47,073 We had to sit there and learn Steven Tyler's records. 471 00:21:47,073 --> 00:21:49,042 ♪ ...she was foolin', 'cause she knew what she was doin' ♪ 472 00:21:49,042 --> 00:21:51,011 ♪ When she told me to walk this way ♪ 473 00:21:51,011 --> 00:21:53,346 ‐♪ The ho told me to ♪ ‐[Falsetto] ♪ Walk this way ♪ 474 00:21:53,346 --> 00:21:55,248 ‐♪ And the bitch said ♪ ‐McDANIELS: We did those lyrics, 475 00:21:55,248 --> 00:21:57,250 their record, over. 476 00:21:57,250 --> 00:21:59,520 ♪ Seesaw swingin' with the boys in the school ♪ 477 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,454 ♪ With your feet flyin' up in the air ♪ 478 00:22:01,454 --> 00:22:04,190 ♪ Singin' "Hey diddle diddle" with your kitty in the middle ♪ 479 00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:06,092 ♪ Of the swing like you just don't care ♪ 480 00:22:06,092 --> 00:22:08,695 ♪ So I took a big chance at the high‐school dance ♪ 481 00:22:08,695 --> 00:22:10,631 ♪ With a missy who was ready to play ♪ 482 00:22:10,631 --> 00:22:11,965 ♪ Wasn't me she was foolin' ♪ 483 00:22:11,965 --> 00:22:13,634 ♪ 'Cause she knew what was she was doin' ♪ 484 00:22:13,634 --> 00:22:15,168 ♪ When she told me how to walk this way ♪ 485 00:22:15,168 --> 00:22:18,104 ‐♪ She told me to ♪ ‐♪ Walk this way ♪ 486 00:22:18,104 --> 00:22:19,740 ♪ Talk this way ♪ 487 00:22:19,740 --> 00:22:22,308 ♪ Walk this way ♪ 488 00:22:22,308 --> 00:22:24,511 ‐♪ Talk this way ♪ ‐♪ She told me to ♪ 489 00:22:24,511 --> 00:22:27,247 So when they first played that in Boston, 490 00:22:27,247 --> 00:22:28,815 on the rock radio station, 491 00:22:28,815 --> 00:22:32,485 20% of the people was, "This is blasphemy. 492 00:22:32,485 --> 00:22:34,921 Who the hell do these rap guys think they are?" 493 00:22:34,921 --> 00:22:37,123 But 80% was like, "Yo, this is cool." 494 00:22:37,123 --> 00:22:42,462 Because we didn't talk about weed and bitches and hoes 495 00:22:42,462 --> 00:22:44,565 on the record. We did the record over. 496 00:22:44,565 --> 00:22:49,903 It helped connect the dots for people to understand, 497 00:22:49,903 --> 00:22:52,973 "Oh, this is ‐‐ I know this song. 498 00:22:52,973 --> 00:22:55,308 And here are these rappers doing it, 499 00:22:55,308 --> 00:22:57,177 and it sounds like a rap record. 500 00:22:57,177 --> 00:23:01,414 But it's not so different than when Aerosmith did it. 501 00:23:01,414 --> 00:23:03,483 And maybe I'm allowed to like this." 502 00:23:03,483 --> 00:23:05,586 BOYD: I hate that song. I can't stand it. 503 00:23:05,586 --> 00:23:09,189 The idea that rappers needed to link up 504 00:23:09,189 --> 00:23:14,561 with these rock musicians, personally, didn't work for me. 505 00:23:14,561 --> 00:23:15,996 It was a smart move 506 00:23:15,996 --> 00:23:18,632 in terms of expanding the reach of the music, 507 00:23:18,632 --> 00:23:21,267 but when I think about, like, D. M. C., 508 00:23:21,267 --> 00:23:25,438 that's probably the last song that I think about. 509 00:23:25,438 --> 00:23:28,842 [ Electronic music plays ] 510 00:23:33,914 --> 00:23:35,682 McVEY: There was a machine called the Fairlight, 511 00:23:35,682 --> 00:23:37,718 which was a big, expensive sampling machine. 512 00:23:37,718 --> 00:23:39,085 It would have a keyboard 513 00:23:39,085 --> 00:23:41,855 and you could record the sound of anything 514 00:23:41,855 --> 00:23:44,357 and then have it play back that sound. 515 00:23:44,357 --> 00:23:45,926 ‐Want to do me a favor? ‐What? 516 00:23:45,926 --> 00:23:48,962 Could you just say your name into this microphone? 517 00:23:48,962 --> 00:23:51,632 ‐Tatyana Ali. ‐Watch this. 518 00:23:51,632 --> 00:23:53,499 [ Distorted ] Tatyana Ali. 519 00:23:53,499 --> 00:23:54,935 [ Laughter ] 520 00:23:54,935 --> 00:23:57,070 McVEY: Like, for instance, pour water into a glass. 521 00:23:57,070 --> 00:23:58,739 You could record it with a microphone, 522 00:23:58,739 --> 00:24:00,006 put it into the Fairlight, 523 00:24:00,006 --> 00:24:01,742 and the Fairlight would play that back. 524 00:24:01,742 --> 00:24:03,376 But across a keyboard, and you could change the key, 525 00:24:03,376 --> 00:24:06,212 the chord, the speed, the time, where it fell on the beat. 526 00:24:06,212 --> 00:24:08,248 And then there were subsequent machines 527 00:24:08,248 --> 00:24:09,616 that followed the Fairlight 528 00:24:09,616 --> 00:24:11,918 which became more affordable for kids. 529 00:24:11,918 --> 00:24:13,587 So you were able to make music 530 00:24:13,587 --> 00:24:15,221 for the first time in your bedroom. 531 00:24:15,221 --> 00:24:17,924 WANG: The first major sampler that enters into the market, 532 00:24:17,924 --> 00:24:20,894 at least in hip hop, is the E‐mu SP 1200. 533 00:24:20,894 --> 00:24:23,296 HOROVITZ: The SP 1200 is my sampler of choice. 534 00:24:23,296 --> 00:24:27,033 It's a very limited amount of sample time. 535 00:24:27,033 --> 00:24:29,603 And you have to chop things up, which I like. 536 00:24:29,603 --> 00:24:32,305 So I would just spend all day, every day 537 00:24:32,305 --> 00:24:34,440 with the sampler, the SP 1200. 538 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,612 RZA: I had an SP 1200 with no instruction manual. 539 00:24:38,612 --> 00:24:42,315 And I stayed up for days until I figured it out. 540 00:24:42,315 --> 00:24:47,788 And that same SP 1200 produced songs like "Bring the Pain." 541 00:24:47,788 --> 00:24:50,891 ♪ I came to bring the pain hardcore from the brain ♪ 542 00:24:50,891 --> 00:24:52,759 ♪ Let's go inside my astral plane ♪ 543 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:54,094 ♪ Find out my metal's based on instrumental ♪ 544 00:24:54,094 --> 00:24:55,762 Hundreds of thousands of records sold ‐‐ 545 00:24:55,762 --> 00:24:57,731 millions of records sold off the "Method Man" album. 546 00:24:57,731 --> 00:24:59,700 Two million records, we sold on that record. 547 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:01,768 And that came from a guy 548 00:25:01,768 --> 00:25:05,606 who kept putting his energy and time into it. 549 00:25:05,606 --> 00:25:07,741 So you can say that's a natural talent, 550 00:25:07,741 --> 00:25:09,643 to sample and then break something down, 551 00:25:09,643 --> 00:25:12,078 but the willpower of it 552 00:25:12,078 --> 00:25:14,380 is also important, I think, in the artist. 553 00:25:14,380 --> 00:25:16,049 ♪ The dark side of the Force ♪ 554 00:25:16,049 --> 00:25:17,984 ♪ Of course it's the Method Man from the Wu Tang Clan ♪ 555 00:25:17,984 --> 00:25:21,054 The producers using the SP 1200, producers like 556 00:25:21,054 --> 00:25:23,857 Marley Marl, Pete Rock, Large Professor, 557 00:25:23,857 --> 00:25:25,659 were making some of the most amazing, 558 00:25:25,659 --> 00:25:27,728 sort of groundbreaking, music of the day. 559 00:25:27,728 --> 00:25:31,264 WANG: Marley Marl is this producer out of Queens 560 00:25:31,264 --> 00:25:34,500 and he has been in the mix since the early 1980s. 561 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,202 And he's fiddling with a sampler, 562 00:25:36,202 --> 00:25:40,240 realizing that he can not just loop up an existing drum sound, 563 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,008 but that he could actually replay it, 564 00:25:42,008 --> 00:25:44,410 he could deconstruct it and then reconstruct it 565 00:25:44,410 --> 00:25:45,946 to create a whole new drum pattern. 566 00:25:45,946 --> 00:25:50,050 You know, he always added his own groove. 567 00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:52,686 That's what's really incredible about him, to me. 568 00:25:52,686 --> 00:25:56,422 If you think about a song like "The Bridge." 569 00:25:56,422 --> 00:25:57,991 ♪ The bridge, bridge‐bridge ♪ 570 00:25:57,991 --> 00:26:00,026 ♪ T‐T‐The bridge, the ‐‐ the bridge, bridge‐bridge ♪ 571 00:26:00,026 --> 00:26:02,863 ♪ The‐The‐The‐The bridge, the‐the bridge, bridge‐bridge ♪ 572 00:26:02,863 --> 00:26:04,731 He does samples of a break beat 573 00:26:04,731 --> 00:26:06,733 called "Impeach the President," right? 574 00:26:06,733 --> 00:26:08,501 It's been sampled by many rappers 575 00:26:08,501 --> 00:26:10,103 in the course of history. 576 00:26:10,103 --> 00:26:14,608 But he did it, then he added his own drums on top of it. 577 00:26:14,608 --> 00:26:16,309 And then he also added a synth sound 578 00:26:16,309 --> 00:26:17,844 that I still don't know where he got it from. 579 00:26:17,844 --> 00:26:19,212 ♪ The ‐‐ The bridge, the bridge ♪ 580 00:26:19,212 --> 00:26:20,881 ♪ The bridge, the bridge, bridge‐bridge ♪ 581 00:26:20,881 --> 00:26:22,382 ♪ The bridge, the bridge, the bridge, the bridge ♪ 582 00:26:22,382 --> 00:26:28,154 He was able to find and use break beats that was rare 583 00:26:28,154 --> 00:26:31,291 before anybody else knew to use them. 584 00:26:34,327 --> 00:26:37,097 ♪ Everyplace that said his name, it rang an alarm ♪ 585 00:26:37,097 --> 00:26:39,600 ♪ Otherwise known as Mean Team Tom ♪ 586 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,401 The second week of May of '88, 587 00:26:41,401 --> 00:26:43,537 when "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back" 588 00:26:43,537 --> 00:26:46,507 came out, I purchased this cassette 589 00:26:46,507 --> 00:26:50,476 on the way to work at my short‐order‐cook job, 590 00:26:50,476 --> 00:26:52,345 frying French fries, 591 00:26:52,345 --> 00:26:55,148 and I had to walk 10 blocks to get to this job 592 00:26:55,148 --> 00:26:57,618 and, by the time I got to this job, 593 00:26:57,618 --> 00:27:00,521 I was at the end of side one. 594 00:27:00,521 --> 00:27:03,924 And I was just like, "There's no way that I can... 595 00:27:03,924 --> 00:27:06,126 I got to hear this record." 596 00:27:06,126 --> 00:27:07,928 And so on my lunch break, I told my boss, 597 00:27:07,928 --> 00:27:10,296 "Okay, I'll be back at 3:00." 598 00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:11,832 I never came back. 599 00:27:11,832 --> 00:27:13,333 ♪ Don't ♪ 600 00:27:13,333 --> 00:27:15,569 ♪ Don't, don't ♪ 601 00:27:15,569 --> 00:27:19,072 ♪ Don't, don't, don't, don't ♪ 602 00:27:19,072 --> 00:27:21,608 ♪ Now here's what I want y'all to do for me ♪ 603 00:27:21,608 --> 00:27:22,709 ♪ Back ♪ 604 00:27:22,709 --> 00:27:24,678 BOYD: Late '80s, you have 605 00:27:24,678 --> 00:27:28,081 what is known as the Golden Age of Hip Hop. 606 00:27:28,081 --> 00:27:29,916 SIMPSON: Public Enemy's first record, 607 00:27:29,916 --> 00:27:33,086 "Yo! Bum Rush the Show," was amazing to me. 608 00:27:33,086 --> 00:27:35,421 It didn't sound like any other rap record 609 00:27:35,421 --> 00:27:36,857 that had been out at the time. 610 00:27:36,857 --> 00:27:38,992 BOYD: Chuck D, the group's leader, 611 00:27:38,992 --> 00:27:43,163 you have a person who is making music 612 00:27:43,163 --> 00:27:46,166 and talking about black nationalism 613 00:27:46,166 --> 00:27:48,001 ♪ Number one, not born to run ♪ 614 00:27:48,001 --> 00:27:51,237 ♪ About the gun, I wasn't licensed to have one ♪ 615 00:27:51,237 --> 00:27:54,875 They perform at Rikers Island. They go to jails. 616 00:27:54,875 --> 00:27:58,411 They're making socially conscious music. 617 00:27:58,411 --> 00:28:01,782 And that's the thing about Public Enemy and the Bomb Squad 618 00:28:01,782 --> 00:28:05,952 is that we just wanted to destroy 619 00:28:05,952 --> 00:28:08,354 the predictability of music. 620 00:28:08,354 --> 00:28:11,692 Q‐TIP: They put out their "Rebel Without a Pause" as a 12‐inch. 621 00:28:11,692 --> 00:28:14,460 And I remember that coming out probably in the fall. 622 00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:15,996 And when that hit with the... 623 00:28:15,996 --> 00:28:19,432 ♪ Brothers and sisters, brothers and sisters ♪ 624 00:28:19,432 --> 00:28:22,002 ♪ I don't know what this world is coming to ♪ 625 00:28:22,002 --> 00:28:23,637 from Jesse Jackson. 626 00:28:23,637 --> 00:28:26,172 [ Imitates turntable scratching ] 627 00:28:26,172 --> 00:28:28,542 ♪ Yes, the rhythm, the rebel ♪ 628 00:28:28,542 --> 00:28:31,144 ♪ Without a pause, I'm lowering my level ♪ 629 00:28:31,144 --> 00:28:32,245 ♪ The hard rhymer ♪ 630 00:28:32,245 --> 00:28:33,980 ♪ Where you never been, I'm in ♪ 631 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:36,016 ♪ You want stylin'? You know it's time again ♪ 632 00:28:36,016 --> 00:28:39,185 It was haunting. It was eerie. 633 00:28:39,185 --> 00:28:43,123 It was ‐‐ It was rabble‐rousing. 634 00:28:43,123 --> 00:28:45,692 It was just agitating. 635 00:28:45,692 --> 00:28:47,093 And his voice ‐‐ 636 00:28:47,093 --> 00:28:49,162 [baritone] ♪ Yes! The rhythm, the rebel ♪ 637 00:28:49,162 --> 00:28:51,431 ♪ Without a pause, I'm lowering... ♪ 638 00:28:51,431 --> 00:28:53,900 And I see all these names and I'm like, "The Bomb Squad." 639 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:56,402 I'm like, "Yo, this is dope." 640 00:28:56,402 --> 00:28:57,604 The Bomb Squad 641 00:28:57,604 --> 00:29:00,273 is a group of producers I happened to work with. 642 00:29:00,273 --> 00:29:02,442 That's Hank Shocklee, Keith Shocklee, 643 00:29:02,442 --> 00:29:05,311 Eric "Vietnam" Sadler, Gary G‐Wiz, 644 00:29:05,311 --> 00:29:09,215 that made the sonic sounds for Public Enemy. 645 00:29:09,215 --> 00:29:11,051 SHOCKLEE: The first element of Public Enemy 646 00:29:11,051 --> 00:29:14,120 that has to be there, it has to be the beat. 647 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,890 And because my library was so big 648 00:29:16,890 --> 00:29:20,060 that I can take snatches from anywhere, 649 00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:22,262 not only did I collect the Beatles's records 650 00:29:22,262 --> 00:29:23,897 but I was collecting Rolling Stones, 651 00:29:23,897 --> 00:29:26,166 Blood, Sweat & Tears, Three Dog Night. 652 00:29:26,166 --> 00:29:27,400 And then at the same time, I'm collecting 653 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,369 Kool & The Gang, Parliament Funkadelic, 654 00:29:29,369 --> 00:29:30,804 Earth, Wind & Fire. 655 00:29:30,804 --> 00:29:33,206 And then at the same time, I'm collecting jazz, as well ‐‐ 656 00:29:33,206 --> 00:29:36,943 David Sanborn, Chick Corea, you know, Return to Forever. 657 00:29:36,943 --> 00:29:40,581 They're sampling television programs 658 00:29:40,581 --> 00:29:42,583 ‐and speeches. ‐...land on Plymouth Rock. 659 00:29:42,583 --> 00:29:46,620 BOYD: And it's just a much more complicated soundscape. 660 00:29:46,620 --> 00:29:49,389 SHOCKLEE: I remember Flavor come up to me in the studio, 661 00:29:49,389 --> 00:29:50,857 tellin' me, he said, 662 00:29:50,857 --> 00:29:53,093 "Hank, this is the worst record I've ever heard in my life!" 663 00:29:53,093 --> 00:29:55,295 They weren't just sampling one sound. 664 00:29:55,295 --> 00:29:59,332 They realized they could sample, you know, dozens of sounds. 665 00:29:59,332 --> 00:30:02,636 ‐♪ Bring the noise! ♪ ‐[ Turntable scratches ] 666 00:30:02,636 --> 00:30:06,106 WANG: Which was all about, you know, hitting you in the face. 667 00:30:06,106 --> 00:30:07,508 It's kind of this wall of noise ‐‐ 668 00:30:07,508 --> 00:30:09,175 "Bring the noise," as they would say. 669 00:30:09,175 --> 00:30:10,677 ♪ Yo, I don't understand what they're saying ♪ 670 00:30:10,677 --> 00:30:13,580 SHOCKLEE: When we first did the Public Enemy records, 671 00:30:13,580 --> 00:30:15,582 nobody liked the records. 672 00:30:15,582 --> 00:30:16,817 Matter of fact, they were 673 00:30:16,817 --> 00:30:18,451 the worst records anybody's ever heard 674 00:30:18,451 --> 00:30:20,754 when I brought them for people to listen to. 675 00:30:20,754 --> 00:30:25,358 But the difference was that those records resonated. 676 00:30:25,358 --> 00:30:27,894 I always admire what Hank Shocklee did. 677 00:30:27,894 --> 00:30:30,564 He brought a lot to sampling. 678 00:30:30,564 --> 00:30:34,167 Q‐TIP: Public Enemy, to me, is, like, the perfect hip‐hop group. 679 00:30:34,167 --> 00:30:36,803 I mean, it was hip hop. It was crazy. 680 00:30:36,803 --> 00:30:39,205 ♪ 1989, the number ♪ 681 00:30:39,205 --> 00:30:40,974 ‐♪ Another summer ♪ ‐♪ Get down ♪ 682 00:30:40,974 --> 00:30:42,609 ♪ Sound of a funky drummer ♪ 683 00:30:42,609 --> 00:30:45,211 RZA: When you think about a song like "Fight the Power," 684 00:30:45,211 --> 00:30:48,248 the energy that that brings out, Hank Shocklee and P. E., 685 00:30:48,248 --> 00:30:52,052 they was able to kind of have, like, the horns of that song, 686 00:30:52,052 --> 00:30:54,855 the voice in the background, the scratching ‐‐ 687 00:30:54,855 --> 00:30:58,925 everything was at such a unique level with sonic fusion 688 00:30:58,925 --> 00:31:01,327 and with Chuck D's voice heavy on top of it. 689 00:31:01,327 --> 00:31:05,599 I mean, that song made you feel like fighting the power. 690 00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:08,268 ♪ Fight the power ♪ 691 00:31:08,334 --> 00:31:10,170 ♪ Fight the power ♪ 692 00:31:10,236 --> 00:31:12,939 ♪ Fight the power ♪ 693 00:31:13,006 --> 00:31:14,641 ♪ Fight the power ♪ 694 00:31:14,708 --> 00:31:17,578 ♪ Fight the power ♪ 695 00:31:17,644 --> 00:31:19,312 ♪ Fight the power ♪ 696 00:31:19,379 --> 00:31:20,914 ♪ Fight the power ♪ 697 00:31:20,914 --> 00:31:23,383 BOYD: "Fight the Power" was a great song, you know. 698 00:31:23,383 --> 00:31:25,986 "Elvis was a hero to most, but he never meant shit to me. 699 00:31:25,986 --> 00:31:29,122 You see straight‐out racist, the sucker was simple and plain. 700 00:31:29,122 --> 00:31:30,591 Motherfuck him and John Wayne," 701 00:31:30,591 --> 00:31:32,125 ‐right? ‐♪ ... and John Wayne ♪ 702 00:31:32,125 --> 00:31:33,493 ♪ 'Cause I'm black and I'm proud ♪ 703 00:31:33,493 --> 00:31:35,228 ♪ I'm ready, I'm hyped, plus I'm amped ♪ 704 00:31:35,228 --> 00:31:37,598 ♪ Most of my heroes don't appear on no stamps ♪ 705 00:31:37,598 --> 00:31:40,734 SHOCKLEE: "Fight the Power" started with just a little loop. 706 00:31:40,734 --> 00:31:44,170 And then we'll go back in and start embellishing it. 707 00:31:44,170 --> 00:31:46,439 And by embellishing it is by putting in 708 00:31:46,439 --> 00:31:49,843 all kinds of little samples, snippets, vocal hits. 709 00:31:49,843 --> 00:31:54,047 And then Chuck would go in and start writing to the basic beat. 710 00:31:54,047 --> 00:31:57,183 And then also adding in Flavor at the same time. 711 00:31:57,183 --> 00:31:59,119 RUBIN: The idea of having 712 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,187 someone like Flavor Flav in the group, 713 00:32:01,187 --> 00:32:04,758 who is so the antithesis of Chuck ‐‐ like, Chuck had 714 00:32:04,758 --> 00:32:08,228 this serious message and this voice of a grownup. 715 00:32:08,228 --> 00:32:11,464 And then he had Flavor Flav, who was ridiculous. 716 00:32:11,464 --> 00:32:13,066 The seriousness could get old 717 00:32:13,066 --> 00:32:14,801 without having Flavor Flav to lighten it up. 718 00:32:14,801 --> 00:32:16,770 ‐♪ Don't believe the hype ♪ ‐♪ Rock the house ♪ 719 00:32:16,837 --> 00:32:18,705 ‐♪ Don't believe the hype ♪ ‐♪ Come on ♪ 720 00:32:18,772 --> 00:32:21,508 ‐♪ Don't believe the hype ♪ ‐♪ Do or die ♪ 721 00:32:21,508 --> 00:32:23,076 ♪ Don't believe the hype ♪ 722 00:32:23,076 --> 00:32:25,746 KING: There's a kind of political aspect 723 00:32:25,746 --> 00:32:27,413 to the sampling of Public Enemy. 724 00:32:27,413 --> 00:32:29,750 They were sampling particular artists 725 00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:33,219 and particular sounds that referenced the entire history, 726 00:32:33,219 --> 00:32:34,855 I think, of black musical materials. 727 00:32:34,855 --> 00:32:37,624 They're connecting the past to the present to the future. 728 00:32:40,527 --> 00:32:44,731 HOROVITZ: Back in '86, I didn't know what sampling was. 729 00:32:44,731 --> 00:32:47,734 Like, it was like, you know, a magician just made it. 730 00:32:47,734 --> 00:32:49,736 ‐Yo! ‐And then Chuck D rapped on it. 731 00:32:49,736 --> 00:32:50,871 Aah‐aah‐aah! 732 00:32:50,871 --> 00:32:52,973 What's up?! 733 00:32:52,973 --> 00:32:55,075 We're the Beastie Boys! 734 00:32:55,075 --> 00:32:58,411 WANG: The Beastie Boys first explode on the scene in 1986 735 00:32:58,411 --> 00:33:00,814 with their Rick Rubin‐produced album called "Licensed to Ill." 736 00:33:00,814 --> 00:33:04,150 And this puts them on the map. It's a multi‐million seller. 737 00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:06,386 And it's mostly built off of drum‐machine sounds, 738 00:33:06,386 --> 00:33:09,389 because, in 1986, that was the dominant production tool. 739 00:33:09,389 --> 00:33:11,357 Come on now. Let's get busy, y'all. 740 00:33:11,357 --> 00:33:12,492 [ "No Sleep Till Brooklyn" plays ] 741 00:33:12,492 --> 00:33:15,662 Are y'all ready to get busy? 742 00:33:15,662 --> 00:33:16,930 Yeah! 743 00:33:16,930 --> 00:33:19,365 ♪ Foot on the pedal, never, ever false metal ♪ 744 00:33:19,365 --> 00:33:21,367 ♪ Engine running hotter than a boiling kettle ♪ 745 00:33:21,367 --> 00:33:22,636 HOROVITZ: We were a hardcore band, 746 00:33:22,636 --> 00:33:23,904 and we used to play hardcore songs. 747 00:33:23,904 --> 00:33:25,305 All our songs would fit 748 00:33:25,305 --> 00:33:27,107 into like 9 minutes or something like that. 749 00:33:27,107 --> 00:33:29,342 And then we were, like, "Hey, we should rap. Like, why not? 750 00:33:29,342 --> 00:33:31,945 That's all we listen to anymore is rap records. 751 00:33:31,945 --> 00:33:33,547 So why not? We should do it." 752 00:33:33,547 --> 00:33:36,917 ♪ No... sleep... till Brooklyn ♪ 753 00:33:36,917 --> 00:33:38,084 ♪ Aw, yeah ♪ 754 00:33:38,084 --> 00:33:42,856 ♪ No... sleep... till Brooklyn ♪ 755 00:33:43,356 --> 00:33:45,792 BAKER: They were exactly what they looked like 756 00:33:45,792 --> 00:33:47,093 when they became big. 757 00:33:47,093 --> 00:33:49,062 They were punk rockers who rapped. 758 00:33:49,062 --> 00:33:50,697 They came from wealthy families. 759 00:33:50,697 --> 00:33:53,366 They loved music. They loved rock. They loved rap. 760 00:33:53,366 --> 00:33:54,868 And they had a good sense of humor. 761 00:33:54,868 --> 00:33:56,603 Ad‐Rock, you forgot to tell me where you were from. 762 00:33:56,603 --> 00:33:58,905 I'm from moneymaking Manhattan. 763 00:33:58,905 --> 00:34:00,340 ‐And you? ‐Yeah. 764 00:34:00,340 --> 00:34:03,209 I'm from Manhattan. And I'm not a bum. 765 00:34:03,209 --> 00:34:05,612 Well, that's ‐‐ that's plain to see. 766 00:34:05,612 --> 00:34:08,081 RONSON: I, like all kids my age, 767 00:34:08,081 --> 00:34:10,551 love, like, the kind of rebellious, 768 00:34:10,551 --> 00:34:13,119 sort of angsty vibe of, like, "Fight for Your Right." 769 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,856 ♪ You gotta fight ♪ 770 00:34:15,856 --> 00:34:17,658 ♪ For your right ♪ 771 00:34:17,658 --> 00:34:21,662 ♪ To party ♪ 772 00:34:22,062 --> 00:34:24,798 It was kind of Meathead‐y, but, like, in a good way. 773 00:34:24,798 --> 00:34:28,168 And, you know, they were so charming and captivating. 774 00:34:28,168 --> 00:34:30,771 You wanted that to sort of be your life. 775 00:34:31,337 --> 00:34:33,907 ♪ You gotta fight ♪ 776 00:34:33,907 --> 00:34:35,475 The early days of hip hop 777 00:34:35,475 --> 00:34:37,978 really reminded me of the early days of punk rock. 778 00:34:37,978 --> 00:34:40,514 It was a very similar energy. 779 00:34:40,514 --> 00:34:44,785 Music had been taken back to where anybody could do it. 780 00:34:44,785 --> 00:34:46,553 You didn't have to be a virtuoso 781 00:34:46,553 --> 00:34:49,289 in either field to be good at it. 782 00:34:49,289 --> 00:34:51,291 You had to have a point of view 783 00:34:51,291 --> 00:34:53,393 and be able to express this point of view, 784 00:34:53,393 --> 00:34:55,395 both in punk rock and in hip hop. 785 00:34:55,395 --> 00:34:56,997 BAKER: I think a lot of the Beastie Boys stuff 786 00:34:56,997 --> 00:35:00,366 sounded like you went to a gig and you recorded it live. 787 00:35:00,366 --> 00:35:02,603 ♪ Not like a fever, not like a cold ♪ 788 00:35:02,603 --> 00:35:05,972 ♪ The beats are clear, and the rhymes are bold ♪ 789 00:35:05,972 --> 00:35:07,508 Now, well, I remember seeing the Beasties play 790 00:35:07,508 --> 00:35:08,875 the Embassy Club in London 791 00:35:08,875 --> 00:35:10,944 and there being beer everywhere, and vomit. 792 00:35:10,944 --> 00:35:12,546 And it just ended in a riot. 793 00:35:12,546 --> 00:35:14,414 And thinking, "Wow. This is really out‐there." 794 00:35:14,414 --> 00:35:17,083 ♪ It's time to party, so have a ball ♪ 795 00:35:17,083 --> 00:35:18,719 BAKER: I was with them in Paris 796 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,654 in a show that ended up being a riot. 797 00:35:20,654 --> 00:35:23,256 Russell was throwing cans of beer in the audience, 798 00:35:23,256 --> 00:35:25,191 like, to stir up the audience. 799 00:35:25,191 --> 00:35:26,760 And people thought it was the Beastie Boys, 800 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,630 so people started getting totally rowdy. 801 00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:31,865 And then when we left, we get in the tour bus 802 00:35:31,865 --> 00:35:35,468 and the tour bus had been ‐‐ It was on fire, basically. 803 00:35:35,468 --> 00:35:38,672 It was on fire. The fans trashed the tour bus. 804 00:35:39,706 --> 00:35:43,009 HOROVITZ: We were, like, into this idea now 805 00:35:43,009 --> 00:35:46,446 of, like, samples or tape loops. 806 00:35:46,446 --> 00:35:48,682 And we were just, like, buying a lot of records 807 00:35:48,682 --> 00:35:50,250 and trying to come up with different ideas and stuff. 808 00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:53,654 And then I went to a party in L. A. 809 00:35:53,654 --> 00:35:55,722 And there was this crazy music playing. 810 00:35:55,722 --> 00:35:59,926 And I just happened to meet these guys at this party 811 00:35:59,926 --> 00:36:01,294 and it was the Dust Brothers. 812 00:36:01,294 --> 00:36:03,730 He asked us if we had any more music 813 00:36:03,730 --> 00:36:06,399 like the track we were playing and we said we did 814 00:36:06,399 --> 00:36:09,570 and we ended up sending him a CD 815 00:36:09,570 --> 00:36:13,406 and waiting patiently for three weeks to get a response. 816 00:36:13,406 --> 00:36:15,842 And then, on a Sunday night, we get a call from Mike D 817 00:36:15,842 --> 00:36:18,512 and he says, "We're coming out on a red‐eye. Book studio time. 818 00:36:18,512 --> 00:36:20,781 We want to make a record with you guys." 819 00:36:20,781 --> 00:36:23,517 [ Beastie Boys' "Shadrach" plays ] 820 00:36:25,619 --> 00:36:27,253 HOROVITZ: "Paul's Boutique," for the most part, 821 00:36:27,253 --> 00:36:33,059 was either us making the tracks or them making the tracks. 822 00:36:33,059 --> 00:36:35,495 And, you know, their tracks 823 00:36:35,495 --> 00:36:37,698 were probably a little bit better [Chuckles] 824 00:36:37,698 --> 00:36:39,399 'cause they're really good at making them. 825 00:36:39,399 --> 00:36:41,134 ♪ Riddle me this, my brother ♪ 826 00:36:41,134 --> 00:36:42,803 ‐♪ Can you handle it? ♪ ‐♪ Your style to my style ♪ 827 00:36:42,803 --> 00:36:44,538 ♪ You can't hold a candle to it ♪ 828 00:36:44,538 --> 00:36:46,640 ♪ Equinox symmetry, and the balance is right ♪ 829 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,209 ♪ Smokin' and drinkin' on a Tuesday night ♪ 830 00:36:49,209 --> 00:36:50,711 It's not how you play...♪ 831 00:36:50,711 --> 00:36:52,378 SIMPSON: On "Paul's Boutique," I think the Beastie Boys 832 00:36:52,378 --> 00:36:54,147 really wanted to make a statement. 833 00:36:54,147 --> 00:36:58,118 They wanted to get away from the sort of one‐hit‐wonder aspect 834 00:36:58,118 --> 00:36:59,753 of "Fight for Your Right to Party" 835 00:36:59,753 --> 00:37:01,955 and prove to the world that they were real artists, 836 00:37:01,955 --> 00:37:03,323 because they were. 837 00:37:03,323 --> 00:37:05,125 ♪ ...three MCs, and we're on the go ♪ 838 00:37:05,125 --> 00:37:07,393 ♪ Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego ♪ 839 00:37:07,460 --> 00:37:09,596 ♪ Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego ♪ 840 00:37:09,663 --> 00:37:11,865 ♪ Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego ♪ 841 00:37:11,932 --> 00:37:14,968 ♪ Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego ♪ 842 00:37:14,968 --> 00:37:16,970 WANG: If you go back and listen to "Paul's Boutique" 843 00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:18,639 and you identify the sources 844 00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:20,674 where all these different samples are coming from, 845 00:37:20,674 --> 00:37:22,442 they're coming from dozens if not, you know, 846 00:37:22,442 --> 00:37:24,110 well over 100 different records. 847 00:37:24,110 --> 00:37:27,648 SIMPSON: There's "Machine Gun," which was a Commodores song. 848 00:37:27,648 --> 00:37:30,483 "Shake Your Rump" was from Afrika Bambaataa. 849 00:37:30,483 --> 00:37:32,318 There's a whole bunch of Beatles samples, 850 00:37:32,318 --> 00:37:34,020 and some of them are recognizable 851 00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:35,556 and some of them aren't. 852 00:37:35,556 --> 00:37:36,790 ‐♪ The Patty Duke Show ♪ ‐♪ The wrench ♪ 853 00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:38,424 ♪ And then I bust the tango ♪ 854 00:37:38,424 --> 00:37:40,661 ♪ Got more rhymes than Jamaica got mangoes ♪ 855 00:37:40,661 --> 00:37:43,096 ♪ I got the peg leg at the end of my stump‐a ♪ 856 00:37:43,096 --> 00:37:44,765 ♪ Shake your rump‐a ♪ 857 00:37:44,765 --> 00:37:46,700 SIMPSON: So, this took forever. I mean, that's why 858 00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:50,036 "Paul's Boutique" took two years to make. 859 00:37:54,675 --> 00:37:56,810 RUBIN: I remember the first time I heard "Paul's Boutique." 860 00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:59,245 I was with Chuck D and we were at the Mondrian Hotel, 861 00:37:59,245 --> 00:38:00,747 and we listened to it together. 862 00:38:00,747 --> 00:38:03,550 I think we got a cassette and listened to it on a boombox. 863 00:38:03,550 --> 00:38:06,486 And both of us said, "That's the future of hip hop." 864 00:38:06,486 --> 00:38:08,722 It blew our minds. 865 00:38:08,722 --> 00:38:10,924 We loved it. We loved it. 866 00:38:17,197 --> 00:38:20,100 RZA: When the Beasties came back with the Dust Brothers, 867 00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,669 they had actually left the hip‐hop hemisphere 868 00:38:22,669 --> 00:38:27,107 and took this sound to other musicians. 869 00:38:27,107 --> 00:38:30,043 And for a minute, you know, I don't think other musicians 870 00:38:30,043 --> 00:38:32,713 knew how to get to where the Beasties were at. 871 00:38:36,116 --> 00:38:40,486 ♪ You got what I need ♪ 872 00:38:40,954 --> 00:38:43,790 WANG: In the early '90s, there were a series of key lawsuits 873 00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:45,526 that were brought about by artists 874 00:38:45,526 --> 00:38:47,193 or by rights holders who felt 875 00:38:47,193 --> 00:38:49,395 like sampling was, in essence, you know, stealing from them. 876 00:38:49,395 --> 00:38:50,597 It was plagiarizing their work, 877 00:38:50,597 --> 00:38:52,198 and that they had a right to assert 878 00:38:52,198 --> 00:38:55,135 that they should be compensated for this. 879 00:38:55,135 --> 00:38:57,270 ♪ But you say he's just a friend ♪ 880 00:38:57,270 --> 00:39:00,106 ♪ So I took blah‐blah's word for it at this time ♪ 881 00:39:00,106 --> 00:39:03,043 ♪ I thought just having a friend couldn't be no crime ♪ 882 00:39:03,043 --> 00:39:06,012 WANG: And this had very much a chilling effect on the industry, 883 00:39:06,012 --> 00:39:07,848 because now you had to clear every sample. 884 00:39:07,848 --> 00:39:10,651 If you failed to do so, it was gonna be really expensive. 885 00:39:10,651 --> 00:39:12,018 So labels were very gun‐shy 886 00:39:12,018 --> 00:39:14,688 about allowing excessive sampling. 887 00:39:14,688 --> 00:39:16,256 WOMAN: Remember that traditional... 888 00:39:16,256 --> 00:39:19,626 Q‐TIP: You know, people take recipes and rework recipes 889 00:39:19,626 --> 00:39:22,529 and add their own seasoning and shit like that. 890 00:39:22,529 --> 00:39:25,498 Then it becomes something totally different. 891 00:39:25,498 --> 00:39:28,168 And the person who did the original benefits. 892 00:39:28,168 --> 00:39:31,104 So it's basically, in theory, "a co‐write." 893 00:39:31,104 --> 00:39:35,275 Sampling is not a fucking bad word. It's not. 894 00:39:35,275 --> 00:39:38,278 HOROVITZ: I believe ‐‐ and I could be wrong with this ‐‐ 895 00:39:38,278 --> 00:39:41,314 that Beastie Boys had a lawsuit ‐‐ against us ‐‐ 896 00:39:41,314 --> 00:39:43,016 from the Jimmy Castor Bunch, 897 00:39:43,016 --> 00:39:47,788 and that was the first legal document of the word "sample." 898 00:39:47,788 --> 00:39:51,491 Who gets paid, how much do they get paid... 899 00:39:51,992 --> 00:39:53,493 ... and how do they get paid ‐‐ 900 00:39:53,493 --> 00:39:54,961 Those are really complicated questions. 901 00:39:54,961 --> 00:39:57,664 A record like "The Funky Drummer" is complicated, 902 00:39:57,664 --> 00:39:59,933 because the part that you're sampling 903 00:39:59,933 --> 00:40:03,369 is Clyde Stubblefield's work, but he is not the person 904 00:40:03,369 --> 00:40:05,772 who will get paid those royalties. 905 00:40:05,772 --> 00:40:07,307 But that part that he played 906 00:40:07,307 --> 00:40:10,276 is so pivotal in all of these other records. 907 00:40:10,276 --> 00:40:12,746 SIMPSON: Now it's become cost‐prohibitive to use samples. 908 00:40:12,746 --> 00:40:15,549 Usually, if you get to use one sample 909 00:40:15,549 --> 00:40:16,983 on your record, you're lucky. 910 00:40:16,983 --> 00:40:18,719 Just getting the clearance can be a nightmare, too, 911 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,854 because you have to track down all of the publishers 912 00:40:20,854 --> 00:40:23,690 and I don't think you could make a record 913 00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:25,058 like "Paul's Boutique" today. 914 00:40:25,058 --> 00:40:26,893 You'd need more lawyers than producers 915 00:40:26,893 --> 00:40:28,461 to make that record today. 916 00:40:28,461 --> 00:40:29,730 This is what a sample is worth. 917 00:40:29,730 --> 00:40:31,665 The original song, and the classic, 918 00:40:31,665 --> 00:40:33,667 a true classic being made out of it. 919 00:40:33,667 --> 00:40:35,536 [ Beat plays ] 920 00:40:35,536 --> 00:40:36,903 Can I have some more amp? 921 00:40:36,903 --> 00:40:39,205 SHOCKLEE: Now sampling is only available 922 00:40:39,205 --> 00:40:41,041 for the elite, if you would ‐‐ 923 00:40:41,041 --> 00:40:44,310 those that can pay the exorbitant fees, you know. 924 00:40:44,310 --> 00:40:46,212 A Kanye West can sample 925 00:40:46,212 --> 00:40:50,150 because he can afford to pay $100,000 for a sample, 926 00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:54,054 whereas the average kid now that's in their bedroom 927 00:40:54,054 --> 00:40:56,256 that wants to come up, they can't do that. 928 00:40:56,256 --> 00:40:59,793 If you look at hip hop on the whole ‐‐ 929 00:40:59,793 --> 00:41:03,864 and I mean, including every place, every facet, 930 00:41:03,864 --> 00:41:07,400 of not only America but abroad and people who do it ‐‐ 931 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,070 sampling is a very small percentage 932 00:41:10,070 --> 00:41:14,508 of what, you know, is going on in hip hop currently 933 00:41:14,508 --> 00:41:16,777 and it has been like that for some time. 934 00:41:16,777 --> 00:41:18,912 And then I think you have things that happened 935 00:41:18,912 --> 00:41:20,781 a lot more in the '90s, 936 00:41:20,781 --> 00:41:22,448 where people were obviously cashing in on a sample 937 00:41:22,448 --> 00:41:23,984 because they were like, "Well, that's already a hit. 938 00:41:23,984 --> 00:41:25,686 Let's take that. That'll be easy." 939 00:41:25,686 --> 00:41:27,821 ♪ In the future, I can't wait to see ♪ 940 00:41:27,821 --> 00:41:29,489 ♪ If you open up the gates for me ♪ 941 00:41:29,489 --> 00:41:31,725 ♪ Reminisce sometimes, the night they took my friend ♪ 942 00:41:31,725 --> 00:41:34,828 Q‐TIP: Puffy had a huge success 943 00:41:34,828 --> 00:41:38,765 with obvious samples that sold millions of records. 944 00:41:38,765 --> 00:41:40,701 ♪ Give anything to hear half a breath ♪ 945 00:41:40,701 --> 00:41:42,202 ♪ I know you're still living 946 00:41:42,202 --> 00:41:45,839 ‐your life after death ♪ ‐♪ Every step I take ♪ 947 00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:49,943 ♪ Every move I make ♪ 948 00:41:49,943 --> 00:41:54,648 ♪ Every single day, every time I pray ♪ 949 00:41:54,648 --> 00:41:58,585 ♪ I'll be missin' you ♪ 950 00:41:58,585 --> 00:42:01,221 BOYD: The best producers 951 00:42:01,221 --> 00:42:04,558 are able to take really familiar songs 952 00:42:04,558 --> 00:42:06,126 and sample them in such a way 953 00:42:06,126 --> 00:42:08,962 that you don't even recognize what they are. 954 00:42:08,962 --> 00:42:10,631 And then there are other people who are like, 955 00:42:10,631 --> 00:42:13,967 "I'm gonna just loop this and find somebody to rap over it," 956 00:42:13,967 --> 00:42:20,173 and they're letting the old song do all the work for them. 957 00:42:20,173 --> 00:42:22,408 ♪ I know you in heaven, smilin' down ♪ 958 00:42:22,408 --> 00:42:24,344 ♪ Watchin' us while we pray for you ♪ 959 00:42:24,344 --> 00:42:27,313 BOYD: Like anything else, sampling is creative. 960 00:42:27,313 --> 00:42:29,850 It can be really interesting and compelling, 961 00:42:29,850 --> 00:42:32,085 or it can be simply 962 00:42:32,085 --> 00:42:34,721 a rehashing of something that already existed. 963 00:42:34,721 --> 00:42:36,456 ♪ ...I make ♪ 964 00:42:36,456 --> 00:42:39,960 ‐♪ I miss you ♪ ‐♪ Every single day ♪ 965 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,995 ♪ Every time I pray ♪ 966 00:42:41,995 --> 00:42:44,765 ♪ I'll be missin' you ♪ 967 00:42:44,765 --> 00:42:46,733 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 968 00:42:46,733 --> 00:42:50,837 ♪ Thinkin' of the day ♪ 969 00:42:50,837 --> 00:42:54,675 ♪ When you went away ♪ 970 00:42:57,811 --> 00:43:02,415 RONSON: I started deejaying in the spring of 1993 971 00:43:02,415 --> 00:43:04,017 and I went to Rock and Soul, 972 00:43:04,017 --> 00:43:05,485 the old record store on 35th and 7th, 973 00:43:05,485 --> 00:43:08,354 where everyone went to get their vinyl in Manhattan. 974 00:43:08,354 --> 00:43:09,856 And there was ‐‐ 975 00:43:09,856 --> 00:43:11,725 I have the original 12‐inch of "Protect Ya Neck." 976 00:43:11,725 --> 00:43:13,627 It was on Wu‐Tang Records. 977 00:43:13,627 --> 00:43:15,328 Like, this kind of cheap‐looking, you know, 978 00:43:15,328 --> 00:43:18,131 just pressed up in a black sleeve, nothing fancy. 979 00:43:18,131 --> 00:43:19,900 And it felt like this exciting thing. 980 00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:21,034 Like, "Who the hell are these guys?" 981 00:43:21,034 --> 00:43:22,402 There's 11 people rapping, 982 00:43:22,402 --> 00:43:24,938 and every single verse is better than the last. 983 00:43:24,938 --> 00:43:27,908 The Wu‐Tang was everything, sort of, when it came out. 984 00:43:27,908 --> 00:43:29,710 ♪ I grew up on the crime side ♪ 985 00:43:29,710 --> 00:43:31,144 ♪ The New York Times side ♪ 986 00:43:31,144 --> 00:43:32,846 ♪ Staying alive was no jive ♪ 987 00:43:32,846 --> 00:43:34,047 ♪ Had secondhands ♪ 988 00:43:34,047 --> 00:43:35,849 ♪ Moms bounced on old man ♪ 989 00:43:35,849 --> 00:43:37,951 ♪ So then we moved to Shaolin land ♪ 990 00:43:37,951 --> 00:43:40,053 ♪ A young youth, yo, rockin' the gold tooth ♪ 991 00:43:40,053 --> 00:43:41,922 HOROVITZ: Wu‐Tang Clan is different from anybody else. 992 00:43:41,922 --> 00:43:43,790 Like, they're just ‐‐ They're different. 993 00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:45,458 You can't put them in... 994 00:43:45,458 --> 00:43:47,861 There's no category that the Wu‐Tang Clan goes in. 995 00:43:47,861 --> 00:43:51,031 We developed our skills and our techniques 996 00:43:51,031 --> 00:43:53,066 on Staten Island, New York. 997 00:43:53,066 --> 00:43:55,902 Now, Staten Island is a place that's surrounded by water. 998 00:43:55,902 --> 00:43:57,804 It's isolated from the rest of the city. 999 00:43:57,804 --> 00:43:59,405 In science‐fiction movies, 1000 00:43:59,405 --> 00:44:01,407 you'll see something like King Kong, 1001 00:44:01,407 --> 00:44:04,344 and they have to take a big boat to some island. 1002 00:44:04,344 --> 00:44:08,448 And on this island, there exists something that's that old. 1003 00:44:08,448 --> 00:44:12,085 Being isolated from Manhattan and Brooklyn and Queens, 1004 00:44:12,085 --> 00:44:14,655 it helped us to develop our own style, 1005 00:44:14,655 --> 00:44:16,189 our own New York slang. 1006 00:44:16,189 --> 00:44:18,224 It was New York, but it was a different New York. 1007 00:44:18,224 --> 00:44:20,026 ♪ So I got with a sick, tight clique ♪ 1008 00:44:20,026 --> 00:44:21,361 ♪ And went all‐out ♪ 1009 00:44:21,361 --> 00:44:23,063 ♪ Catchin' keys from across seas ♪ 1010 00:44:23,063 --> 00:44:24,665 ♪ Rollin' in MPVs ♪ 1011 00:44:24,665 --> 00:44:26,499 ♪ Every week, we made 40 G's ♪ 1012 00:44:26,499 --> 00:44:29,102 Your wisdom is a manifestation of your knowledge. 1013 00:44:29,102 --> 00:44:31,605 Once you know that you're sure without approval, 1014 00:44:31,605 --> 00:44:33,607 that's the understanding. 1015 00:44:33,607 --> 00:44:34,975 So we know what time it is. 1016 00:44:34,975 --> 00:44:36,276 We gonna show y'all niggas what time it is 1017 00:44:36,276 --> 00:44:38,512 and we gonna prove what time it is. 1018 00:44:38,512 --> 00:44:39,980 That's right. 1019 00:44:39,980 --> 00:44:42,248 And for the hip‐hop world, it's Wu‐Tang time, nigga. 1020 00:44:42,248 --> 00:44:45,051 WANG: RZA from the Wu‐Tang Clan is a really interesting figure 1021 00:44:45,051 --> 00:44:47,220 in this, because by the time we start hearing 1022 00:44:47,220 --> 00:44:50,924 the first Wu‐Tang songs, around 1993, '94, 1023 00:44:50,924 --> 00:44:53,159 he was still using older sampling technologies 1024 00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:54,995 such as, like, the SP 1200, 1025 00:44:54,995 --> 00:44:57,731 because that gave him a grittier sound. 1026 00:44:57,731 --> 00:44:59,399 It wasn't cleaned up. It wasn't pretty. 1027 00:44:59,399 --> 00:45:01,234 It wasn't, you know, at the cutting edge. 1028 00:45:01,234 --> 00:45:05,739 They would take Ultimate Beats and Breaks hip hop. 1029 00:45:05,739 --> 00:45:08,374 They will take jazz music. 1030 00:45:08,374 --> 00:45:12,312 They will take... any noise whatsoever. 1031 00:45:12,312 --> 00:45:17,651 They will take dialogue from other films and loop it, 1032 00:45:17,651 --> 00:45:19,753 and sound sloppy as hell doing it. 1033 00:45:19,753 --> 00:45:23,990 He's, like, "The dirtier, the better." 1034 00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:27,694 That dirty, stank, crusty feeling. 1035 00:45:27,694 --> 00:45:29,229 He just likes the agitation. 1036 00:45:29,229 --> 00:45:31,798 He likes to get your blood boiling. 1037 00:45:31,798 --> 00:45:35,368 RZA: It don't have to be always on beat. 1038 00:45:35,368 --> 00:45:37,137 I heard the CD skippin', 1039 00:45:37,137 --> 00:45:38,605 'cause I was trying to get a sample off of something, 1040 00:45:38,605 --> 00:45:40,406 and the fuckin' CD was scratched and was like... 1041 00:45:40,406 --> 00:45:42,909 ♪ Dun dun, duh dun dun, dun dun dun, duh dun dun ♪ 1042 00:45:42,909 --> 00:45:45,812 I was like, "I like that." 1043 00:45:46,279 --> 00:45:49,149 ♪ Can it be that it was all so simple then? ♪ 1044 00:45:49,149 --> 00:45:52,052 [ Cheers and applause ] 1045 00:45:52,052 --> 00:45:56,056 ♪ Or has time rewritten every line? ♪ 1046 00:45:56,056 --> 00:45:58,925 When you look at songs like Gladys Knight, 1047 00:45:58,925 --> 00:46:02,395 we sampled on "Memories," "The Way We Were," 1048 00:46:02,395 --> 00:46:04,464 on "Can It Be So Simple?" 1049 00:46:04,464 --> 00:46:05,999 It starts off 1050 00:46:05,999 --> 00:46:08,468 exactly how I programmed it in my beat machine. 1051 00:46:08,468 --> 00:46:09,903 KNIGHT: Hey, you know, everybody's talking 1052 00:46:09,903 --> 00:46:11,371 about the good old days, right? 1053 00:46:11,371 --> 00:46:14,107 Everybody, the good old days, the good old days. 1054 00:46:14,107 --> 00:46:16,510 RZA: I programmed it with her intro, 1055 00:46:16,510 --> 00:46:18,712 a long intro, and then my beat drops. 1056 00:46:18,712 --> 00:46:23,083 ♪ Can it be that it was all so simple then? ♪ 1057 00:46:23,083 --> 00:46:24,518 [ Indistinct rapping ] 1058 00:46:24,518 --> 00:46:25,752 That was my thing. 1059 00:46:25,752 --> 00:46:29,489 When I had the power to sample longer, 1060 00:46:29,489 --> 00:46:34,661 I was able to kind of make my idea more cinematic. 1061 00:46:34,661 --> 00:46:38,632 ♪ Can it be that it was all so simple then? ♪ 1062 00:46:38,632 --> 00:46:42,903 ♪ Yo, started off on the Island, AK Shaolin ♪ 1063 00:46:42,903 --> 00:46:44,304 ♪ Brothers wilin' ♪ 1064 00:46:44,304 --> 00:46:45,972 ♪ Gunshots thrown, the phone dialin' ♪ 1065 00:46:45,972 --> 00:46:49,576 HADLEY: It's like, how did you make "Can It All Be So Simple" 1066 00:46:49,576 --> 00:46:53,980 so dark and make it sound like this was its original home, 1067 00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:56,182 this is where it was supposed to be, 1068 00:46:56,182 --> 00:46:59,586 as opposed to how it was originally constructed? 1069 00:46:59,586 --> 00:47:01,121 I think it's truly a gift. 1070 00:47:01,121 --> 00:47:03,557 ♪ That's the life of grimey ♪ 1071 00:47:03,557 --> 00:47:05,058 RZA's just, like, creative. 1072 00:47:05,058 --> 00:47:08,394 He makes music that sounds historical 1073 00:47:08,394 --> 00:47:10,263 and from the future, all at the same time, 1074 00:47:10,263 --> 00:47:11,698 which is something I really love. 1075 00:47:11,698 --> 00:47:15,368 ♪ Can it be that it was all so simple then? ♪ 1076 00:47:15,368 --> 00:47:16,770 ♪ Ah ♪ 1077 00:47:16,770 --> 00:47:20,440 ♪ Can it be that it was all so simple then? ♪ 1078 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,675 ♪ Ah ♪ 1079 00:47:21,675 --> 00:47:25,579 ♪ Can it be that it was all so simple then? ♪ 1080 00:47:25,579 --> 00:47:27,581 AUERBACH: That's what made the Wu‐Tang the Wu‐Tang. 1081 00:47:27,581 --> 00:47:29,583 WEST: Always talking about, you know, "You biting. 1082 00:47:29,583 --> 00:47:33,987 You biting my style. You bite everything that I did a lot." 1083 00:47:33,987 --> 00:47:38,191 But hip hop itself is based off of bite. 1084 00:47:38,191 --> 00:47:39,425 I think what you've seen 1085 00:47:39,425 --> 00:47:42,295 over the last, especially 10, 15 years, 1086 00:47:42,295 --> 00:47:46,232 is just the explosion in not just sampling technology, 1087 00:47:46,232 --> 00:47:49,435 but just production technology and software in general. 1088 00:47:49,435 --> 00:47:51,304 RZA: First, we had the drum‐machine sampler, 1089 00:47:51,304 --> 00:47:53,273 then it went to the keyboard sampler. 1090 00:47:53,273 --> 00:47:55,576 And then from there, you know, the synthesizer 1091 00:47:55,576 --> 00:47:56,943 and the workstations. 1092 00:47:56,943 --> 00:48:00,581 And now we at the level of digital audio workstations, 1093 00:48:00,581 --> 00:48:04,184 which gives you your tape machine, your sampler, 1094 00:48:04,184 --> 00:48:07,153 your drum machine, all on your computer screen. 1095 00:48:07,153 --> 00:48:08,822 ♪ Where it's at ♪ 1096 00:48:08,822 --> 00:48:12,425 ♪ I got two turntables and a microphone ♪ 1097 00:48:12,425 --> 00:48:15,495 Technology is humanity's response to its own dreams. 1098 00:48:15,495 --> 00:48:18,765 I mean, if we can think of something, we can make it. 1099 00:48:18,765 --> 00:48:22,268 ♪ Got two turntables and a microphone ♪ 1100 00:48:23,570 --> 00:48:26,272 ‐[ Turntable scratches ] ‐♪ That was a good drum break ♪ 1101 00:48:26,272 --> 00:48:29,275 SIMPSON: Beck's "Odelay" was really the most successful use 1102 00:48:29,275 --> 00:48:31,011 of this new technology for us. 1103 00:48:31,011 --> 00:48:33,013 Instead of actually sampling records, 1104 00:48:33,013 --> 00:48:34,748 we were just going for sounds. 1105 00:48:34,748 --> 00:48:37,350 So we would listen to a record, and Beck would say, 1106 00:48:37,350 --> 00:48:39,485 "Oh, I love the way this record sounds! 1107 00:48:39,485 --> 00:48:41,254 I think I can get that guitar sound." 1108 00:48:41,254 --> 00:48:44,390 And so Beck would dial up that guitar sound, 1109 00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:46,927 and we would take the very best sections, 1110 00:48:46,927 --> 00:48:50,063 and we would cut and paste those together within the computer 1111 00:48:50,063 --> 00:48:51,431 and create our own loops, 1112 00:48:51,431 --> 00:48:53,499 instead of sampling them off records. 1113 00:48:53,499 --> 00:48:55,068 ♪ Don't stop, get it, get it ♪ 1114 00:48:55,068 --> 00:48:57,037 ♪ I don't wanna be a player no more ♪ 1115 00:48:57,037 --> 00:48:59,372 ♪ Punisher, Big Punisher ♪ 1116 00:48:59,372 --> 00:49:01,608 ♪ Big Punisher, still got 1117 00:49:01,608 --> 00:49:04,511 ‐what you're lookin' for ♪ ‐♪ Big Punisher ♪ 1118 00:49:04,511 --> 00:49:06,346 ROSEN: The radical innovations of hip‐hop producers 1119 00:49:06,346 --> 00:49:08,381 created in the 1980s, 1120 00:49:08,381 --> 00:49:10,450 and perfected in kind of the late '80s and early '90s, 1121 00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:13,053 have disseminated throughout the musical world. 1122 00:49:13,053 --> 00:49:14,888 ♪ I got a bad boy, I must admit it ♪ 1123 00:49:14,888 --> 00:49:18,291 ♪ You got my heart, don't know how you did it ♪ 1124 00:49:18,291 --> 00:49:20,894 Almost all pop‐music producers 1125 00:49:20,894 --> 00:49:24,397 make their records like hip‐hop guys once did. 1126 00:49:24,397 --> 00:49:27,634 ♪ I love the way, I love the way ♪ 1127 00:49:27,634 --> 00:49:29,335 ♪ I love the way ♪ 1128 00:49:29,335 --> 00:49:34,374 Music has a foundation. It has a circle of notes. 1129 00:49:34,374 --> 00:49:38,545 It has been tried over and over from the Egyptians 1130 00:49:38,545 --> 00:49:43,183 to, you know, the Renaissance to American music ‐‐ 1131 00:49:43,183 --> 00:49:46,620 to jazz, folk, hip hop. 1132 00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:49,489 There's been ways that's always been tried. 1133 00:49:49,489 --> 00:49:51,324 It's so crazy to dismiss sampling. 1134 00:49:51,324 --> 00:49:54,695 Some of the most ingenious, progressive music 1135 00:49:54,695 --> 00:49:57,864 of the past 20 years has come from combining 1136 00:49:57,864 --> 00:50:00,333 the use of sampling with original material. 1137 00:50:00,333 --> 00:50:03,469 Bjork, one of those great things she does, like, you know, 1138 00:50:03,469 --> 00:50:04,805 "Dancer in the Dark" and all these things 1139 00:50:04,805 --> 00:50:07,173 with found sounds ‐‐ I mean, that's sampling. 1140 00:50:07,173 --> 00:50:10,243 ♪ I have seen the willow leaves ♪ 1141 00:50:10,243 --> 00:50:12,846 ♪ Dancin' in the breeze ♪ 1142 00:50:12,846 --> 00:50:14,380 RUBIN: It's the same thing the Beatles did 1143 00:50:14,380 --> 00:50:16,182 when they wrote songs. 1144 00:50:16,182 --> 00:50:19,085 They would get inspired by a Roy Orbison song 1145 00:50:19,085 --> 00:50:20,787 and then write a song. 1146 00:50:20,787 --> 00:50:22,155 You know, "Please Please Me" 1147 00:50:22,155 --> 00:50:23,990 was their version of a Roy Orbison song. 1148 00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:26,426 Doesn't sound like that to us, but that's how they wrote it. 1149 00:50:26,426 --> 00:50:28,729 I remember people saying, "This isn't music. 1150 00:50:28,729 --> 00:50:30,030 Like, the Sugar Hill Gang, 1151 00:50:30,030 --> 00:50:32,498 like, people would say, "They're not even singing. 1152 00:50:32,498 --> 00:50:34,701 They've used some ‐‐ They've used a Chic song 1153 00:50:34,701 --> 00:50:37,070 and they're talking over it ‐‐ How is that even their record?" 1154 00:50:37,070 --> 00:50:39,840 And now we hear it at weddings, and we just dance along to it 1155 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,242 because it's the most familiar piece of music we can imagine. 1156 00:50:42,242 --> 00:50:45,478 If the idea is an original song, 1157 00:50:45,478 --> 00:50:49,349 where is the line that divides what is original? 1158 00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:53,720 People like Kanye West, who very creatively sample. 1159 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:58,324 And it's kind of ‐‐ It's tough sometimes to tell, 1160 00:50:58,324 --> 00:50:59,693 how much of that is the songwriting 1161 00:50:59,693 --> 00:51:01,361 and how much of that is the production? 1162 00:51:01,361 --> 00:51:05,331 ♪ Lost in the world ♪ 1163 00:51:05,331 --> 00:51:07,734 ♪ Been down my whole life ♪ 1164 00:51:07,734 --> 00:51:09,803 The recording experience is never finished. 1165 00:51:09,803 --> 00:51:13,373 It just goes on and on, and people cut and mix records. 1166 00:51:13,373 --> 00:51:15,208 They take them, recontextualize them. 1167 00:51:15,208 --> 00:51:19,312 Turn them into new moments, into new meaning. 1168 00:51:19,312 --> 00:51:21,381 ♪ You're my devil, you're my angel ♪ 1169 00:51:21,381 --> 00:51:23,249 ♪ You're my heaven, you're my hell ♪ 1170 00:51:23,249 --> 00:51:25,385 ♪ You're my now, you're my forever ♪ 1171 00:51:25,385 --> 00:51:27,387 ♪ You're my freedom, you're my jail ♪ 1172 00:51:27,387 --> 00:51:30,323 BAMBAATAA: Well, we got to say, many of the youth 1173 00:51:30,323 --> 00:51:34,360 always grab a new language to whatever music. 1174 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,329 Then we got to look at, is it really new? 1175 00:51:36,329 --> 00:51:37,998 Is anything really new under the sun? 1176 00:51:37,998 --> 00:51:41,334 McDANIELS: The beautiful thing about that great era, 1177 00:51:41,334 --> 00:51:45,371 that great generation, that time of music 1178 00:51:45,371 --> 00:51:47,140 is everything that they said was truth. 1179 00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:48,609 It was our truth. 1180 00:51:48,609 --> 00:51:51,678 HOROVITZ: To me, and to us, like, it never mattered. 1181 00:51:51,678 --> 00:51:54,014 Like, there's no, like, real music. 1182 00:51:54,014 --> 00:51:56,249 The real music is what you like. 1183 00:51:56,249 --> 00:51:58,451 RZA: It's been very helpful. It has grown us. 1184 00:51:58,451 --> 00:52:01,688 It has made musicians out of non‐musicians. 1185 00:52:01,688 --> 00:52:03,289 It has made producers out of those 1186 00:52:03,289 --> 00:52:04,658 who wouldn't normally be producers. 1187 00:52:04,658 --> 00:52:06,026 ROSEN: The production techniques, 1188 00:52:06,026 --> 00:52:07,694 the sampling technology, 1189 00:52:07,694 --> 00:52:10,063 the types of recordmaking that were forms that were invented 1190 00:52:10,063 --> 00:52:11,798 by hip‐hop producers, have become ubiquitous. 1191 00:52:11,798 --> 00:52:14,200 It's now changed the way we listen to music 1192 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,936 and what we regard as music. 1193 00:52:15,936 --> 00:52:19,072 ♪ I'm new in the city ♪ 1194 00:52:19,072 --> 00:52:21,174 ♪ And I'm down for the night ♪ 1195 00:52:21,174 --> 00:52:23,209 ♪ I'm down for the night ♪ 1196 00:52:23,209 --> 00:52:26,479 ♪ I'm down for the night ♪ 97762

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