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(interviewees
chattering indistinctly)
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- The pain obviously,
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and that's like my
fear about giving birth
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that it's gonna hurt really bad.
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- The whole pain thing.
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I mean, when people
see documentaries
about giving birth,
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they see the screaming
and the crying
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and the sweating.
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Yeah, I personally am
scared of giving birth.
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- I think Americans and women
have really internalized
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that birth needs
to be medicalized
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and you have to have an epidural
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and you're not supposed
to experience pain.
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- Nine months, I hate throwing
up, the morning sickness,
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carrying something in your body
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is terrifying to me.
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- The idea of giving birth,
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it just seems like
all the images
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I have in my head of
women giving birth
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are of them like screaming
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and like their faces were
really red and the sweating,
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and then the husband faints
and then they're, like,
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"Oh, first time dad."
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Like all those movie
things that happen.
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- At this point, we've
internalized that ideology
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over and over again.
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It's now embedded
in so many women
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to think that birth is something
that needs to be treated
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rather than is an experience
or is a natural thing.
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(woman screaming)
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- God, this hurts.
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Pain! Pain!
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(woman groaning)
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(woman screaming)
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- Sorry, I can't.
- Yes you can.
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- I can't.
- Hey.
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(woman screaming)
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- I just can't do it!
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- [Nurse] You'll hurt
the baby right now.
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- Oh, I hurt. I hurt.
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(women screaming)
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- Oh, oh!
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(women screaming)
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- No, I can't, I can't do it!
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- [Husband] I need you
to do it. You can do it.
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- [Paula] My name is
Paula James-Martinez.
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I'd recently moved
to New York City
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because a giant
dotcom had asked me
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to be in charge of all
things fashionable.
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So, like every
career-minded woman,
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I fell in love and
moved to California.
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(soft upbeat music)
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And I can remember thinking,
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it had never been a better
time to be a woman in America.
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♪ I am woman, hear me roar
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- [Paula] Companies were taking
real action on equal pay.
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Sexual harassment was finally
being taken seriously.
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Beyonce had "Lemonade."
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And we were about to get
our first female president.
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When I had a really
bad feeling...
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(brakes screeching)
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Oh, ----.
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(toilet flushes)
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I was pregnant.
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So, I googled like my
life depended on it.
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And apparently, it did.
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Mothers in this country
are routinely dying.
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- Can it possibly be true
that women giving birth
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in our country are more at risk
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than women in dozens of other
nations around the world?
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Afraid so.
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- A new investigation
claims the United States
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is the most dangerous
place to give birth
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in the developed world.
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Every year in the US,
more than 50,000 mothers
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are severely injured
during or after childbirth.
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- [Paula] Yet, in the wake
of so many tragic stories,
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I had a great birth.
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That's me in labor,
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and that's about as
dramatic as it got.
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But I couldn't help thinking,
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"Why was I such a unicorn?"
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What had gone right
for me, I wondered.
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Was it because I'd had a
midwife, which is unusual,
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but it seemed very normal to me.
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In case you hadn't noticed yet,
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although my daughter
was born here in the US,
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I was born in the UK,
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and delivered by National
Health Service midwives.
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I know, you guys
are thinking this.
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- [Nun] Camilla Fortescue-
Cholmondeley-Browne?
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- Yes.
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- [Paula] But a
modern British midwife
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does much more of this.
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♪ Ah
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♪ Ah, push it
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♪ Ah, push it
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♪ Push it good
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- [Paula] In fact, in Great
Britain, France, Germany,
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Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark,
Sweden, Norway and Finland,
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over 75% of all babies
are delivered by midwives.
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And unlike the United States,
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none of these countries
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have a rising maternal
mortality rate.
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Birth in the UK is actually
so safe that the baby's father
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is statistically
more likely to die
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during his partner's
pregnancy and birth.
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And British babies
are 70% more likely
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to survive the experience
than in the US.
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So, why was it when I told
many of my American friends
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that I was having
a midwife birth,
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did they look at me
like I'd suggested
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some sort of witchcraft?
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(gentle acoustic music)
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- Our history with
midwives is complicated.
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In the 1930s, as
hospitals were sort of
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becoming more popularized
and springing up
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all across the country,
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and obstetrics as a
specialty in medicine
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was starting to grow,
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and hospitals became
teaching hospitals
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and, you know, suddenly,
there was a shift away
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from home births and midwives.
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And it was almost
like, you know,
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let's create a new territory,
and in order to do that,
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we have to kind of
get rid of the old.
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And that was probably a very
simplistic way of doing it,
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but that's essentially
what happened.
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It's not in our popular
culture anymore.
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- You don't even
know that it exists.
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When I talk to
people, they say like,
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"Oh, people still do that?"
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And I'm like, yes,
you don't have
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to have your birth
in a hospital.
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You can actually
have it in your home
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or in a birthing center,
however you want,
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and it's your choice.
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Knowing that it's a choice.
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Like, people don't know
that they have choice
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in how they birth, right?
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(gentle acoustic
music continues)
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- I knew always that I wanted
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to at least try for
a natural birth.
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It just made sense to me.
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Why would I not try?
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And I also knew enough
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that when you go
into a hospital,
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that it's not going
to necessarily,
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it's going to be
harder to go that way
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if you're in that setting.
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That just like, that's what
hospitals are created for,
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that's what doctors
are trained to do,
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is to intervene and to operate.
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To me, it always felt
like if I don't want that,
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then I should stay away,
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and I think there are
more and more women
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that feel that way.
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(melancholy acoustic music)
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♪ She's a good girl
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♪ Loves her mama
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♪ Loves Jesus
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- [Paula] Kimberly Turbin
lives just 30 miles
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away from me in Reseda,
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yet her birth story is a
million miles away from mine.
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It was one of the most
disturbing stories I heard
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when I was researching
this project.
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But not just that,
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it was also one of the bravest.
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♪ Living in Reseda
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♪ There's a freeway running
through their yard ♪
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- Rape and having sex
when you don't want to,
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all that doesn't compare
to, I think, what he did.
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He basically changed
my decision making
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for me, my body, and my vagina
for the rest of my life.
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Like, now I have
muscle spasms issues,
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I have vulvodynia, which
is just vulva pain.
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♪ And all the bad boys
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♪ Are standing in the shadows
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♪ And the good girls are home
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- I was fine until I let
them know that I had PTSD
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and that I had been
raped in the past.
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And I think that the feeling
was starting to creep up on me,
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so if they could give me
something to calm down.
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Doctor came in and it's
not going fast enough.
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He said, "We're going to
have to do an episiotomy."
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And I'm like, "No. Why?
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We haven't even tried."
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It was only 5:00 PM and right
now it's only maybe 11 or 12.
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And I'm like, "I haven't
even started pushing yet.
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This can't be right."
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Basically, he said, you know,
how dare I question him?
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He's the expert here in the
room and this is what I need.
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And the nurse is like, "It's
just going to be a little cut."
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And I was like, "No, I don't
want you to cut me. No."
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- [Nurse] Keep going, keep
going, go, go, go, go, go.
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- [Kimberly] No, don't cut me.
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No, why?
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- [Doctor] What do you
mean why? That's my reason.
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- [Kimberly] Why can't we try?
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I get one contraction and
I'm not saying anything,
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and I breathe out and
he just starts cutting.
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- [Nurse] Push, push, push.
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Keep pushing, keep
pushing, keep pushing.
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Go, go, go, go,
good job. Good job.
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Keep pushing. Go, go,
go, go, go, go, go, go.
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Okay, and relax.
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- I couldn't even,
like, really cry
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or get happy over
my baby being here,
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and he basically snatched that
whole moment away from me.
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I don't think they
believe our pain.
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Like, after I gave birth,
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I asked Dr. Abbassi
for pain medication
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and he told me, "No." (scoffs)
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And this is that I couldn't sit.
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It was like, like
someone ripped me open
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and then they sewed it back up.
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But you can't even
go to the bathroom
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after that comfortably.
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I was able to catch
full blown on video
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how these doctors sometimes
are acting towards us
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and what they do to our bodies,
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while we're sitting there
saying, "No, don't do it."
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- [Crowd] Stop the
violence! Stop the rape!
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- What made me take it
further was after I had Rio,
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everybody was like, "Well,
you know, "it's normal.
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Sometimes they cut.
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That's what they decided to do
and, you know, get over it."
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But I was like, "But how?"
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I can't even sit down
without being in pain.
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Six months, I was walking slow,
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I had to change my
whole diet, all fiber,
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I had to retrain my
vagina how to work,
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just to have a
functioning vagina at 31.
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That's a huge part of
my body that I have
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that somebody took
my control over.
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If I ever find somebody
I love or want to marry
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or make a life with,
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I have to explain that I
have these ------ issues
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with my vagina
and I may not ever
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want to have a baby again.
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(people chattering)
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- I don't know how anyone
could watch that video
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and not be moved and appalled
by this woman lying there
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in the most submissive
position possible,
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with a doctor wielding
scissors at her genitals,
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and her begging not to be cut,
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and him berating her
and demoralizing her
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and insulting her
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and then proceeding to cut
her punitively 12 times.
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And it's all caught on tape
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and it took us 80
lawyers to find one
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that thought they could win.
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- It's like a whole machine
that works together.
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They decide your fate before
you even wake up that day.
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And a lot of these cases
is, but is the baby okay?
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There's no is the mom okay?
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- What stands out
a lot for me is,
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and it's happened a few times,
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is the doctor not making
eye contact with the mom.
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Like, entering the room,
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not going up to
the mother's side,
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not asking her how she's doing,
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not asking her what she
needs, what she wants.
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Getting straight
down to business
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without any interaction at all.
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Having women being
told to be quiet
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when asking for what they want.
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- This one particular person,
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who we're now really
close friends,
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I was there for
both of her children
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and one started
out as a home birth
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and we had to end
up transferring.
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The doctor introduces herself
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and the first thing she says is,
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"Oh, you're so lucky
because I'm the only one
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on the floor who uses forceps."
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And I was like, "What kind
of introduction is that?"
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Like, that's how you
introduce yourself?
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Not "Hi, my name is so
and so, this is my name."
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It's, "No, hey,
you're so privileged
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because I'm the only
one who use forceps."
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And I was like,
"Are you insane?"
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(dramatic music)
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- [Paula] Why don't we
know about our choices?
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And where did all the
American midwives go?
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We have to go back
to the early 1970s.
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♪ I am woman, hear me roar
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♪ In numbers too big to ignore
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- [Paula] It had never
been a better time
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to be a woman in America.
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Companies were taking
real action on equal pay.
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Sexual harassment was finally
being taken seriously.
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Joni had Blue, and...
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- [Pamela] At the time, the
Vietnam War was happening.
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(bomb exploding)
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(sirens wailing)
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- We were pacifists,
we believed that people
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could work out their differences
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by talking with each other
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and being compassionate
with each other.
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- [Paula] That's Pamela.
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She'd never admit it,
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but she's a bit of an
American folk hero.
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As a college student
moved by the message
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of peaceful resolution,
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she set off across the
country in a caravan
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of pastoral buses
with her husband
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to spread the word
of peace and love
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when the country was
facing a lot of hate.
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- What you put your energy
into, you get more of.
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So, if we put our energy
into peaceful resolutions,
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then we get more of that.
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- [Paula] Eventually,
the caravan of buses
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settled in rural Tennessee
to found what would become
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one of America's largest
communes, The Farm,
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where Pamela would
become one of the world's
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most famous midwives.
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So, I set off to Tennessee
to find out why midwives
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are a counterculture
movement in the US.
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(soft rock music)
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- We didn't call
ourselves midwives.
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We weren't midwives.
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I had a major in art,
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but we had a belief
that birth would work.
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- Mind and body are one.
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How the woman's mental
attitude is during the birth
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is going to make
a huge difference
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on how it goes physically.
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And that's part of
spiritual midwifery,
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you want to nurture these women,
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these babies, these families.
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You got to kind of give your
heart and soul to them really.
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- [Paula] Joanne is also
one of the early members
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of The Farm, and an
OG spiritual midwife,
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who, after seeing not just how
the system had treated her,
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but other women, knew it was
time to fight for a better way.
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Spiritual midwifery, in essence,
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is the practice of caring
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and listening to
women during birth,
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and also the title of
one of a series of books
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written by founding
midwife, Ina May Gaskin.
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These books have introduced
an entire generation
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to the possibility of
peaceful, unmedicated birth.
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Having sold over a
million copies worldwide,
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the book from a commune has
something of a cult status.
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But why now do generation
after generation of mothers
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continue to press
their dog-eared copies
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into each other's hands?
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- [Doctor] All right. Let's
do this, let's do this.
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Let's do this.
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Let's do this.
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- In 1965, pretty much
the standard of care,
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when you first hit the hospital,
you got a shot of Demerol.
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Demerol is a pain reliever.
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You got a shot of scopolamine,
dries up your secretions.
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You had your enema
and your prep,
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which included shaving
your vaginal area.
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- The nurses would call it
pit, stick, suck and split.
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Pitocin, an epidural stick,
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suck the baby out with
a vacuum extractor,
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and bye, you know?
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As quick as possible.
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(baby crying)
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- [Paula] Carol's story
is really disturbing,
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but unfortunately, not
unusual for the time.
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- I ended up having an allergic
reaction to the Demerol.
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Not only throwing up, but
instead of it making me relax,
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it made me tense.
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At that time, when
you got fully dilated,
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they would bring you
back to the delivery room
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and they would give you
more drugs, more anesthesia,
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and put you to sleep.
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- [Paula] And it wasn't
just bad for mothers.
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Studies also found behavioral
and motor issues in babies
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whose mothers had received
anesthesia, including Demerol.
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- And then, the doctor
did a huge episiotomy
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and took the baby with forceps.
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- [Paula] Now, I'm only going
to explain episiotomy once
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because it makes
even me feel weird.
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But it's basically when a doctor
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cuts you with scissors
down there, to make, um,
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the opening larger and
get the baby out faster.
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- After the birth,
they put me in recovery
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and just left me
alone, flat on my back,
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and I ended up throwing
up and aspirating.
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Luckily, one of the
nurses came back in
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as I had stopped breathing.
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So, that was a
horrific experience.
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I really didn't know
that that wasn't
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what everybody went through.
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You know, I wasn't educated
enough to know the difference.
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- [Paula] The
difference was, though,
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these were women
looking for solutions
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to stick it to the man
and take back control.
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There was a movement among
women's groups in the '70s
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developed to deinstitutionalize
the dependent.
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Feminists argued that
childbirth was not a disease
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and that childbirth did
not require hospitalization
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or the supervision of an OB.
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- How did I get into
midwifery, really?
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Self-preservation. (chuckles)
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I had my first baby in 1967
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and the only real
childbirth training I'd had,
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as far as seeing a
birth was "Wagon Train."
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(dramatic orchestral music)
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Once in a while, the
Conestoga wagons on the trail
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would pull over and film from
the outside of the canvas.
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You would hear a woman
scream, a baby cry
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and the wagons would roll on.
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So, I thought, okay, you
scream and the baby comes out.
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I remembered one of
the nurses saying,
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"Just think about
your breathing."
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I said, "Well, how
do you breathe?"
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And she said, "Just
think about your breath
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going in and out."
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And I tried it,
pain cut in half,
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00:19:35,874 --> 00:19:38,377
and I was like wow,
heavy magic, you know?
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And then, it was
just too strong,
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I thought, "I can't
do this anymore."
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And it stopped. No
more contractions.
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And I'm sitting there going,
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somehow I'm not understanding
how intellectually,
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how to get this baby out,
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but my bod has gotten
pregnant, grown this baby,
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well on the way to
having this baby.
431
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I've just got to trust my body
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that it's going to
get me out of this.
433
00:20:00,832 --> 00:20:03,201
And as soon as I thought
that, they came back.
434
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And pretty soon, I had to push.
435
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- In those days, they
bring you to an OR room,
436
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which must have been
about 45 degrees.
437
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Everybody has layers of clothes,
438
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and they're all yelling at me,
439
00:20:12,978 --> 00:20:16,081
"Don't push because the
doctor's not there."
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Right after I'd made
this deal with myself
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to listen to my body.
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So, I'm going, "Ah, okay,
I'll be a good girl."
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I don't push.
444
00:20:26,191 --> 00:20:29,127
He finally shows up
about 15 minutes later,
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cuts a huge
mediolateral episiotomy
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for a 6 pound, 14
ounce little girl
447
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I should've had 15 minutes
ago with the nurses.
448
00:20:37,603 --> 00:20:38,737
I couldn't sit down for a month.
449
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I had to take a pillow
with me everywhere.
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I thought there has to be a
better way than this, you know?
451
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So, when I got pregnant
with my second,
452
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first midwife I ever met was
a guy named Bob. (laughs)
453
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And he asked how my
other birth had gone,
454
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and he said, "Oh, you
can do it at home."
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And I said, "Well, don't you
need to cut an episiotomy?"
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And he said, "No, no,
just don't push hard."
457
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,997
On 4th of July, we were
going over to Sutro Park
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to sleep for the night.
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Started having contractions,
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called the Good Earth Commune.
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One of the ladies came
over with her baby and was,
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what you would call
nowadays, my doula.
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And got me in a tub, talked
me through some contractions,
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00:21:18,176 --> 00:21:20,412
and then I pushed
him out and she said,
465
00:21:20,412 --> 00:21:21,513
"He popped out."
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00:21:21,513 --> 00:21:23,682
All the fireworks in
San Francisco went off.
467
00:21:23,682 --> 00:21:25,284
(fireworks exploding)
468
00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:26,551
It was the most empowering thing
469
00:21:26,551 --> 00:21:27,786
that ever happened in my life.
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It was so different
from my first birth.
471
00:21:30,222 --> 00:21:31,423
I just felt like I
could do anything.
472
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(gentle music)
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- [Paula] So, that was it.
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Women could do anything.
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We were free.
476
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:47,105
Free to choose the birth
we wanted to try for.
477
00:21:47,105 --> 00:21:49,841
Free to push when we wanted to.
478
00:21:49,841 --> 00:21:52,477
Free to say no to drugs or yes.
479
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Free to give birth
at home or not.
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Free to be heard.
481
00:21:56,782 --> 00:21:59,985
Free from dangerous
procedures we didn't need.
482
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Free to take back control.
483
00:22:03,021 --> 00:22:04,523
Okay, maybe not.
484
00:22:04,523 --> 00:22:06,591
I might have got a little
carried away there.
485
00:22:08,927 --> 00:22:11,763
The conflict over home birth
proved one of the most bitter
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between the medical
establishment and
the women's movement.
487
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And while no state
forbade home birth,
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ACOG actively discouraged it.
489
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Doctors have participated
in home births
490
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by offering backup
in an emergency
491
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were threatened with loss
of hospital privileges
492
00:22:26,545 --> 00:22:28,747
and even losing their
medical license.
493
00:22:30,115 --> 00:22:34,920
- Our Tennessee law had
been on the books since 1898
494
00:22:36,221 --> 00:22:38,690
and it was one little sentence
in the Medical Practice Act
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that said, "Midwifery is not
the practice of medicine."
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00:22:44,696 --> 00:22:47,432
And that let midwives
practice openly in Tennessee.
497
00:22:47,432 --> 00:22:49,234
Not all states were like that.
498
00:22:50,569 --> 00:22:52,838
- [Paula] In fact, very
few states were like that.
499
00:22:56,541 --> 00:22:59,745
- The midwives in the South
were keeping midwifery alive.
500
00:22:59,745 --> 00:23:01,947
They were keeping
home birth alive.
501
00:23:01,947 --> 00:23:04,516
These home birth midwives
knew what they were doing.
502
00:23:06,718 --> 00:23:09,154
- Midwives, especially
in the Southern region,
503
00:23:09,154 --> 00:23:11,656
have been the champions
of our community
504
00:23:11,656 --> 00:23:13,892
and there was a very
intentional break.
505
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,530
Midwives were holding a lot
of power in our communities,
506
00:23:18,530 --> 00:23:19,998
and these were Black women,
507
00:23:19,998 --> 00:23:22,501
and granny midwives as we
call them in the South.
508
00:23:24,569 --> 00:23:26,104
- [Paula] Grannies were healers
509
00:23:26,104 --> 00:23:28,540
and valued by slave owners,
510
00:23:28,540 --> 00:23:31,042
as more healthy
babies meant, well,
511
00:23:31,042 --> 00:23:32,544
more people to enslave.
512
00:23:33,478 --> 00:23:35,580
But as slavery was abolished...
513
00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:37,315
- [Joanne] They made it illegal
514
00:23:37,315 --> 00:23:39,251
or retired them and then made it
515
00:23:39,251 --> 00:23:44,156
illegal in Alabama
and Mississippi and
Florida. (chuckles)
516
00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:46,057
- [Pamela] What it
looked like to me
517
00:23:46,057 --> 00:23:47,692
is the Alabama medical system
518
00:23:47,692 --> 00:23:51,396
didn't want those babies
to be borne by midwives.
519
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:53,532
They wrote a law and they put
520
00:23:53,532 --> 00:23:55,667
all those midwives out of work.
521
00:23:55,667 --> 00:23:58,537
And Alabama still
has very backwards
522
00:23:58,537 --> 00:24:00,572
in their thought
about midwifery.
523
00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:03,642
- Midwives are being attacked.
524
00:24:03,642 --> 00:24:05,911
Being told that we're not safe,
525
00:24:05,911 --> 00:24:07,946
but yet majority of
the unsafe births
526
00:24:07,946 --> 00:24:09,848
are happening in hospitals.
527
00:24:11,183 --> 00:24:13,351
- [Paula] And even though
the work of Black midwives
528
00:24:13,351 --> 00:24:15,020
in America has been whitewashed
529
00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:17,656
out of most of our cultural
understanding of birth,
530
00:24:17,656 --> 00:24:20,025
there's a growing number
of midwives of color,
531
00:24:20,025 --> 00:24:22,794
like Barbara, who are
putting their lives on hold
532
00:24:22,794 --> 00:24:25,664
to become qualified,
often against the odds,
533
00:24:25,664 --> 00:24:28,133
to provide holistic care
within their community
534
00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:29,634
and transform our perceptions
535
00:24:29,634 --> 00:24:31,770
about what midwife
care really is.
536
00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:35,207
- Culturally, in African
culture or Caribbean culture,
537
00:24:35,207 --> 00:24:38,276
a midwife wasn't just a
person that caught babies.
538
00:24:38,276 --> 00:24:41,313
They were the medicine woman,
they were the counselor,
539
00:24:41,313 --> 00:24:42,681
they were the, you know,
540
00:24:42,681 --> 00:24:46,251
they were everything centered
around the community.
541
00:24:46,251 --> 00:24:48,587
They uphold the family.
542
00:24:49,688 --> 00:24:51,656
- [Carol] Historically,
if you look back,
543
00:24:51,656 --> 00:24:54,359
midwives have been a threat
544
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,294
and midwives have
been the healers,
545
00:24:56,294 --> 00:24:57,729
the people who
deliver the babies
546
00:24:57,729 --> 00:25:01,299
and the women who empower
the women to give birth.
547
00:25:01,299 --> 00:25:02,667
And there is no reason
548
00:25:02,667 --> 00:25:04,769
that there shouldn't
be midwives everywhere.
549
00:25:05,770 --> 00:25:07,272
- [Paula] And because
American tales
550
00:25:07,272 --> 00:25:08,840
are often wild and winding,
551
00:25:10,175 --> 00:25:12,210
the biggest community these
progressive hippies served
552
00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:16,281
as midwives were,
well, the Amish?
553
00:25:17,816 --> 00:25:19,284
- Now, the Amish are interesting
554
00:25:19,284 --> 00:25:20,652
because they don't
really educate
555
00:25:20,652 --> 00:25:22,520
their women about childbirth,
556
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,357
but the girls grow up
seeing their mother
557
00:25:25,357 --> 00:25:27,726
having baby after
baby after baby.
558
00:25:27,726 --> 00:25:29,094
And so, somewhere back there,
559
00:25:29,094 --> 00:25:30,896
they know that that's normal.
560
00:25:30,896 --> 00:25:33,164
- So, those women are
in our statistics,
561
00:25:33,164 --> 00:25:34,666
you know, grand multips.
562
00:25:34,666 --> 00:25:39,304
We've delivered a lady's
19th baby at 49 years old,
563
00:25:40,005 --> 00:25:42,240
and that's not low risk.
564
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,243
- I don't think that the
hospitals can brag about that.
565
00:25:45,243 --> 00:25:47,712
I think that the hospitals
are having a hard time
566
00:25:47,712 --> 00:25:50,081
because they're doing
so many interventions.
567
00:25:53,084 --> 00:25:55,620
- [Paula] But interventions
are also lifesaving,
568
00:25:55,620 --> 00:25:57,122
which is why it's
vital that midwives
569
00:25:57,122 --> 00:26:00,458
are able to be supported
by doctors if needed,
570
00:26:00,458 --> 00:26:02,093
a model known as integrated care
571
00:26:02,093 --> 00:26:03,662
in most developed countries.
572
00:26:04,963 --> 00:26:08,300
- We made those
connections in 1971.
573
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:11,369
Lovely doctors who are very
willing to work with us
574
00:26:11,369 --> 00:26:13,438
and have helped us a lot.
575
00:26:14,339 --> 00:26:16,975
(birds chirping)
576
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:22,447
- For seven years, I was a
backup for six wonderful,
577
00:26:22,447 --> 00:26:25,116
dynamic lady midwives.
578
00:26:25,116 --> 00:26:29,521
At one point, they even told
me I was an honorary midwife.
579
00:26:29,521 --> 00:26:30,488
I just happened to be there.
580
00:26:30,488 --> 00:26:31,690
I was a midwife who could do
581
00:26:31,690 --> 00:26:34,092
a ceasarean delivery
if I needed to.
582
00:26:34,092 --> 00:26:36,061
I was always the last
person they wanted to see
583
00:26:36,061 --> 00:26:37,128
because if I showed up,
584
00:26:37,128 --> 00:26:39,164
it meant that something
hadn't gone the way
585
00:26:39,164 --> 00:26:40,598
they wanted it to.
586
00:26:40,598 --> 00:26:42,767
- If there is an
emergency, okay, yo,
587
00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:44,235
let's go to the hospital.
588
00:26:44,235 --> 00:26:46,237
If there's a C-section that
is necessary and needed,
589
00:26:46,237 --> 00:26:50,075
as long as that keeps baby
and mommy safe and whole,
590
00:26:50,075 --> 00:26:50,542
let's go do it.
591
00:26:52,677 --> 00:26:54,179
(gentle acoustic music)
592
00:26:54,179 --> 00:26:55,180
- [Paula] Washington has some
593
00:26:55,180 --> 00:26:57,248
of the most integrated
care in the US,
594
00:26:58,583 --> 00:27:01,152
and the best survival rates
for both mothers and babies.
595
00:27:05,423 --> 00:27:08,793
In Jen's case, modern
medicine saved three lives.
596
00:27:11,896 --> 00:27:13,398
- I was 24 weeks pregnant
597
00:27:13,398 --> 00:27:17,936
when I thought I was just having
Braxton Hicks contractions.
598
00:27:18,603 --> 00:27:19,904
Called my doctor,
599
00:27:19,904 --> 00:27:21,906
I had mentioned that
the contractions hurt
600
00:27:21,906 --> 00:27:24,342
and they said, "Oh, actually,
they shouldn't hurt.
601
00:27:24,342 --> 00:27:25,644
You should come in."
602
00:27:27,412 --> 00:27:30,048
It got serious really fast.
603
00:27:30,048 --> 00:27:34,486
I hardly had time to fully
understand what was happening.
604
00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:36,554
(machine beeping)
605
00:27:36,554 --> 00:27:38,256
When I woke up in recovery,
606
00:27:38,256 --> 00:27:40,225
I knew I wasn't pregnant.
607
00:27:40,225 --> 00:27:43,528
I knew they were born,
I knew they were tiny,
608
00:27:43,528 --> 00:27:46,965
but I didn't really
understand what that meant.
609
00:27:49,534 --> 00:27:51,603
It really wasn't
until I was allowed
610
00:27:51,603 --> 00:27:54,839
to see them the next
day that, kind of,
611
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:58,209
that severity of the
situation really hit me.
612
00:28:00,245 --> 00:28:01,880
It was three months
613
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,182
and we were talking
about tracheostomies.
614
00:28:04,182 --> 00:28:08,353
It was six months and we were
talking about more surgery
615
00:28:08,353 --> 00:28:11,690
and lifelong therapy needs.
616
00:28:14,959 --> 00:28:18,763
We saw what was coming with
the medical repercussions
617
00:28:18,763 --> 00:28:20,098
while the boys were literally
618
00:28:20,098 --> 00:28:21,866
fighting for their
life in the NICUs.
619
00:28:23,768 --> 00:28:27,705
(gentle acoustic
music continues)
620
00:28:29,174 --> 00:28:30,842
- [Paula] Yet even with
the incredible care
621
00:28:30,842 --> 00:28:32,577
Jen's family received,
622
00:28:32,577 --> 00:28:34,279
there was one very
stark difference
623
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:36,815
between her story
and those of mothers
624
00:28:36,815 --> 00:28:38,883
in all other developed nations.
625
00:28:40,285 --> 00:28:44,255
- The boys went in for heart
surgery at six weeks old
626
00:28:44,255 --> 00:28:48,993
and I know that bill came
in at around $260,000,
627
00:28:48,993 --> 00:28:52,730
which honestly, we just
kind of laughed. (laughs)
628
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:53,765
Put it in a drawer.
629
00:28:54,899 --> 00:28:56,134
We don't have that.
630
00:28:56,134 --> 00:28:59,003
There were so much that
was really expensive.
631
00:28:59,003 --> 00:29:03,775
Being in the NICU, just the
room itself is $10,000 a day,
632
00:29:04,876 --> 00:29:06,111
plus I had two kids,
so that was doubled.
633
00:29:06,111 --> 00:29:08,179
That didn't include the
doctors, the nurses,
634
00:29:08,179 --> 00:29:10,915
the therapists, the
treatments, the medications.
635
00:29:10,915 --> 00:29:13,918
There were a lot of things
that weren't covered,
636
00:29:13,918 --> 00:29:16,521
but we we didn't start
to realize some of that
637
00:29:16,521 --> 00:29:20,625
until several months, even
several years down the road.
638
00:29:20,625 --> 00:29:22,894
I was very naive
at the beginning
639
00:29:22,894 --> 00:29:26,431
in that I just assumed
that since we had
640
00:29:26,431 --> 00:29:28,099
comprehensive medical care
641
00:29:28,099 --> 00:29:30,368
and I paid my insurance
bills every month
642
00:29:30,368 --> 00:29:33,371
and I had an employer
that sponsored this plan,
643
00:29:34,606 --> 00:29:36,241
that it would be okay.
644
00:29:37,509 --> 00:29:41,079
My biggest mistake was actually
trying to pay everything.
645
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:43,448
We did everything we
could to pay our bills
646
00:29:43,448 --> 00:29:44,949
and to stay current.
647
00:29:44,949 --> 00:29:47,919
So, we liquidated our
401ks, we sold our house,
648
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:50,021
we sold our cars, we
sold our furniture.
649
00:29:50,021 --> 00:29:51,756
We ended up declaring bankruptcy
650
00:29:51,756 --> 00:29:54,559
to write off about
$400,000 worth
651
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,594
of personal medical debt.
652
00:29:56,594 --> 00:30:00,632
But even after that, their
medical bills were still so high
653
00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:03,134
that we just couldn't keep up.
654
00:30:05,703 --> 00:30:07,505
This is America.
655
00:30:07,505 --> 00:30:11,743
I had no idea we could
fall into a gap like this.
656
00:30:13,411 --> 00:30:16,147
(melancholy music)
657
00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:30,895
- [Paula] Does the insurance
system affect outcomes?
658
00:30:30,895 --> 00:30:32,330
- People in the United States
659
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:34,165
no longer even know what
the cost of medical care is
660
00:30:34,165 --> 00:30:37,302
because it's so
hidden in these copays
661
00:30:37,302 --> 00:30:40,438
and you're being charged
X only because they know
662
00:30:40,438 --> 00:30:43,174
they're only going to get Y
from the insurance repayment.
663
00:30:43,174 --> 00:30:44,275
But if you're paying
for it directly,
664
00:30:44,275 --> 00:30:46,144
all of a sudden,
there's a new price of B
665
00:30:46,144 --> 00:30:48,279
that was never even part
of the conversation.
666
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:52,016
So, I think that we don't
live with real numbers
667
00:30:52,016 --> 00:30:55,053
and that's all a part of
the capitalistic system
668
00:30:55,053 --> 00:30:56,354
that sort of supports
669
00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:58,223
the medical industry
and establishment.
670
00:30:58,856 --> 00:30:59,958
It wasn't about safety
671
00:30:59,958 --> 00:31:02,560
or what the women
wanted or anything.
672
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,562
It was all about profit.
673
00:31:04,562 --> 00:31:06,130
- Here, it's a business.
674
00:31:06,130 --> 00:31:08,900
You become a commodity, your
child becomes a commodity.
675
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:12,704
How can I thereby make
money off of that?
676
00:31:12,704 --> 00:31:16,174
I don't have time for you
to be in labor for 72 hours.
677
00:31:16,174 --> 00:31:17,141
No.
678
00:31:17,141 --> 00:31:19,344
The capitalist
structure of this nation
679
00:31:19,344 --> 00:31:23,214
is based on the
industrialization of motherhood.
680
00:31:26,084 --> 00:31:27,986
- The people in charge now
681
00:31:27,986 --> 00:31:32,090
seem to want to make
it into shift work.
682
00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:36,494
They have employed
laborists, they call them,
683
00:31:36,494 --> 00:31:40,098
who are watching,
684
00:31:41,065 --> 00:31:43,301
actually more ladies
than ACOG says
685
00:31:43,301 --> 00:31:45,637
a doctor should be
watching in active labor.
686
00:31:45,637 --> 00:31:49,540
But they are watching
numerous ladies in labor
687
00:31:49,540 --> 00:31:52,477
and just intervening
whenever somebody crosses
688
00:31:52,477 --> 00:31:55,546
whatever arbitrary
line has been created.
689
00:31:59,617 --> 00:32:02,253
- Obstetrics is getting
better at this in recent years
690
00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:05,356
but there was a period
of time where inductions
691
00:32:05,356 --> 00:32:10,128
were really done for any
old, almost no reason at all.
692
00:32:10,895 --> 00:32:13,197
A convenience of scheduling.
693
00:32:13,197 --> 00:32:14,332
- Well, I'm sorry,
but our bodies
694
00:32:14,332 --> 00:32:16,067
don't work like that as women.
695
00:32:16,067 --> 00:32:17,535
We're not on a schedule.
696
00:32:18,803 --> 00:32:20,071
We're not on a schedule.
697
00:32:20,071 --> 00:32:21,572
Try to put a woman
on a schedule.
698
00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:25,677
(soft dramatic music)
699
00:32:29,714 --> 00:32:34,452
- As society advances
and medical care in
general advances,
700
00:32:35,553 --> 00:32:37,322
there's probably an
underlying belief
701
00:32:37,322 --> 00:32:40,725
that every technology
that gets developed
702
00:32:40,725 --> 00:32:43,227
is going to improve childbirth
703
00:32:43,227 --> 00:32:45,129
and the care of pregnant women.
704
00:32:45,129 --> 00:32:46,964
I think that's just a value
705
00:32:46,964 --> 00:32:50,201
and something that's
not necessarily
proven scientifically.
706
00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:54,272
- We are a country
that likes to sue
707
00:32:54,272 --> 00:32:57,275
whenever there's an outcome
that is not optimal.
708
00:32:57,275 --> 00:33:01,279
And so, we have a
reactionary healthcare field
709
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,948
where we tend to not
push the envelope,
710
00:33:03,948 --> 00:33:05,049
allow somebody to do something
711
00:33:05,049 --> 00:33:07,452
that's outside the
normal standard of care
712
00:33:07,452 --> 00:33:09,620
because we're really
concerned about a lawsuit.
713
00:33:10,688 --> 00:33:12,890
It is absolutely
driving decision-making
714
00:33:12,890 --> 00:33:14,525
in healthcare right now.
715
00:33:14,525 --> 00:33:18,096
But it's also helping drive
the maternal mortality crisis
716
00:33:18,096 --> 00:33:21,265
because we tend to
intervene out of concern
717
00:33:21,265 --> 00:33:22,700
that we might be
heading down a path
718
00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:24,836
where we might see
an adverse outcome
719
00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:26,104
if we're not
listening to people,
720
00:33:26,104 --> 00:33:27,338
if we're not hearing
what they're saying,
721
00:33:27,338 --> 00:33:29,307
if we're missing
important clues,
722
00:33:29,307 --> 00:33:30,608
not just during their
pregnancy and birth,
723
00:33:30,608 --> 00:33:33,644
but in their postpartum period,
we see adverse outcomes.
724
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:39,817
- If I had a wish,
725
00:33:39,817 --> 00:33:42,653
it would be that we would
have a birthing system
726
00:33:42,653 --> 00:33:47,525
that was set up
for and by women,
727
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,696
and that women were in control
of the birthing process.
728
00:33:51,696 --> 00:33:53,965
Because I think that
there are things
729
00:33:53,965 --> 00:33:58,736
that the largely male
administration of most hospitals
730
00:34:02,807 --> 00:34:06,144
and the boards of directors
of insurance companies
731
00:34:06,144 --> 00:34:09,180
just don't get about birth.
732
00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:13,785
In an ideal world, I
would love for all OBs
733
00:34:14,752 --> 00:34:16,154
to have midwifery training
734
00:34:17,455 --> 00:34:21,793
so they could understand
the process of normal birth
735
00:34:21,793 --> 00:34:26,564
as opposed to the
medicalization of birth.
736
00:34:28,766 --> 00:34:30,268
- [Paula] One of the
most vulnerable moments
737
00:34:30,268 --> 00:34:32,303
of my life was during labor,
738
00:34:32,303 --> 00:34:35,072
and I can't imagine
doing it without support,
739
00:34:35,072 --> 00:34:37,175
particularly that of my doula.
740
00:34:37,175 --> 00:34:38,709
If I'm honest, I
don't really remember
741
00:34:38,709 --> 00:34:40,411
anyone else being there,
742
00:34:40,411 --> 00:34:42,213
but my husband
assures me he was.
743
00:34:44,715 --> 00:34:47,351
You might be wondering
what a doula is.
744
00:34:47,351 --> 00:34:49,554
No, a doula is not a handbag,
745
00:34:49,554 --> 00:34:51,789
a weird deer or a
part of your brain.
746
00:34:53,257 --> 00:34:55,059
It's not exactly what
Ali Wong suggests either.
747
00:34:55,059 --> 00:34:57,195
- I'm very, very
scared of childbirth.
748
00:34:57,195 --> 00:35:00,164
That's why I'm going
to hire a doula.
749
00:35:00,164 --> 00:35:01,265
You know what that is?
750
00:35:01,265 --> 00:35:02,600
You know what a doula is?
751
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,205
That's a white hippie witch
(audience laughs)
752
00:35:07,205 --> 00:35:09,340
that blows quinoa
into your pussy
753
00:35:09,340 --> 00:35:12,577
to Keyser Soze
all the pain away.
754
00:35:15,379 --> 00:35:18,649
- The doula is for physical
and emotional support.
755
00:35:18,649 --> 00:35:22,220
So it's what we used
to do centuries ago.
756
00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:24,622
Back in the day, our
sisters, our mothers,
757
00:35:24,622 --> 00:35:27,492
our grandmothers, our
cousins, our aunts,
758
00:35:27,492 --> 00:35:31,596
all the women before us who
had babies helped us birth.
759
00:35:31,596 --> 00:35:33,231
They were there, they
were rubbing our back,
760
00:35:33,231 --> 00:35:35,466
they were talking to us,
they were singing to us,
761
00:35:35,466 --> 00:35:37,468
they were doing
all of these things
762
00:35:37,468 --> 00:35:39,904
that helped us
through childbirth,
763
00:35:39,904 --> 00:35:42,673
and we just don't do
that for women anymore.
764
00:35:42,673 --> 00:35:45,743
And so, I think the doula
fills that spot now.
765
00:35:45,743 --> 00:35:47,178
- So, I think that doulas
are extremely important
766
00:35:47,178 --> 00:35:49,614
and I may be a little biased
in that because I am a doula,
767
00:35:49,614 --> 00:35:51,916
but I understand
how important it is
768
00:35:51,916 --> 00:35:53,751
for women to have support,
769
00:35:53,751 --> 00:35:56,687
for us to be able to
take care of each other
770
00:35:56,687 --> 00:35:58,890
during this journey
to motherhood.
771
00:35:58,890 --> 00:36:03,694
♪ But I need a
place to command ♪
772
00:36:03,694 --> 00:36:06,731
♪ Somewhere quiet
and somewhere warm ♪
773
00:36:06,731 --> 00:36:08,499
- [Paula] And as much
as you might think
774
00:36:08,499 --> 00:36:10,735
doulas are in the same
category as kale facials
775
00:36:10,735 --> 00:36:12,336
or jade vagina eggs,
776
00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:13,538
it's statistically proven
777
00:36:13,538 --> 00:36:15,640
they can have huge
benefits for mothers.
778
00:36:16,974 --> 00:36:20,211
In fact, a large scale
study of over 15,000 women
779
00:36:20,211 --> 00:36:23,481
from 17 countries found that
compared to birthing people
780
00:36:23,481 --> 00:36:25,316
with no labor support,
781
00:36:25,316 --> 00:36:27,685
those with a labor
companion such as a doula
782
00:36:27,685 --> 00:36:29,754
were more likely to
have a shorter labor,
783
00:36:29,754 --> 00:36:32,156
less likely to need
drugs to speed up labor,
784
00:36:32,156 --> 00:36:35,426
less likely to use any pain
medication while giving birth
785
00:36:35,426 --> 00:36:37,395
and less likely to have
their babies admitted
786
00:36:37,395 --> 00:36:38,829
to a special care nursery.
787
00:36:40,131 --> 00:36:43,634
- Having come from a long
line of teen parents,
788
00:36:43,634 --> 00:36:46,270
I had always really been drawn
789
00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:49,574
and had a heart for
teens, pregnant teens.
790
00:36:49,574 --> 00:36:51,876
You know, thinking
of all these girls,
791
00:36:51,876 --> 00:36:55,680
well, first thinking of my
family, my mom, who with me,
792
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,882
took a bus to the
hospital to get induced
793
00:36:57,882 --> 00:37:00,851
and then took a taxi
home at 18-years-old.
794
00:37:00,851 --> 00:37:03,988
All my aunts who gave
birth at 15, 16, 17.
795
00:37:03,988 --> 00:37:06,657
I thought about them
and what that experience
796
00:37:06,657 --> 00:37:07,858
must have been like for them
797
00:37:07,858 --> 00:37:10,127
and how different it
was from my experience.
798
00:37:10,127 --> 00:37:13,764
That is what made me go
and do my doula training,
799
00:37:13,764 --> 00:37:15,032
because I wanted to serve them
800
00:37:15,032 --> 00:37:17,335
and other, you know,
underserved women.
801
00:37:20,237 --> 00:37:23,808
There's rarely a girl that
says no to a free doula.
802
00:37:23,808 --> 00:37:25,943
Do you want someone
who's going to be there
803
00:37:25,943 --> 00:37:28,412
and help educate you
leading up to your birth
804
00:37:28,412 --> 00:37:29,680
and then she'll join
you during your birth
805
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,916
and she'll help massage
you and comfort you
806
00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:33,451
and give you all the
information you need?
807
00:37:33,451 --> 00:37:34,585
Do you want this person?
808
00:37:34,585 --> 00:37:35,653
Yes.
809
00:37:35,653 --> 00:37:38,689
Yeah, of course.
And who wouldn't?
810
00:37:38,689 --> 00:37:40,124
And a lot of them
don't even know
811
00:37:40,124 --> 00:37:42,026
that they have these choices
and that they can speak up
812
00:37:42,026 --> 00:37:46,230
and that they can walk into
a hospital and have a plan.
813
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:47,865
Most of the doctors
who they work with
814
00:37:47,865 --> 00:37:50,501
and nurses do not
expect them to walk in
815
00:37:50,501 --> 00:37:52,036
knowing what they know.
816
00:37:52,036 --> 00:37:54,138
And they would prefer
that they didn't ask
817
00:37:54,138 --> 00:37:55,306
and that they would prefer
818
00:37:55,306 --> 00:37:56,841
that they didn't
know these things.
819
00:37:56,841 --> 00:38:00,144
- Our work becomes more
in the realm of advocacy
820
00:38:00,144 --> 00:38:02,313
in really trying to advocate
821
00:38:02,313 --> 00:38:04,582
for this person's
basic human rights.
822
00:38:04,582 --> 00:38:07,518
Just the human right
to just be who you are
823
00:38:07,518 --> 00:38:09,754
and to have bodily
autonomy over yourself
824
00:38:09,754 --> 00:38:11,255
until you birth
your babies in a way
825
00:38:11,255 --> 00:38:13,457
that is affirming to you.
826
00:38:14,892 --> 00:38:17,361
(gentle music)
827
00:38:18,696 --> 00:38:21,465
- Doulas have been proven
to improve outcomes
828
00:38:21,465 --> 00:38:24,435
and the system is starting
to recognize that.
829
00:38:24,435 --> 00:38:26,570
It's a Band-Aid
on a broken system
830
00:38:26,570 --> 00:38:28,372
when what we should be doing
831
00:38:28,372 --> 00:38:32,610
is spending all of that money
and time fixing that system.
832
00:38:34,979 --> 00:38:37,081
- What care ideally
should look like
833
00:38:37,081 --> 00:38:40,551
is that the woman who
comes in to have her baby
834
00:38:40,551 --> 00:38:43,154
is asked questions around
what is important to her
835
00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:45,322
and what those things are
that she's really looking for
836
00:38:45,322 --> 00:38:47,391
along the journey of her birth.
837
00:38:47,391 --> 00:38:48,793
Where we're respectful,
838
00:38:48,793 --> 00:38:50,027
if somebody's
having a contraction
839
00:38:50,027 --> 00:38:52,129
to stop talking and to
support her through that
840
00:38:52,129 --> 00:38:54,565
rather than being focused
in our computer systems.
841
00:38:54,565 --> 00:38:56,534
Where we are high
touch and low tech,
842
00:38:56,534 --> 00:38:58,936
where every woman's
birth has a goal
843
00:38:58,936 --> 00:39:01,205
of being as low
intervention as possible
844
00:39:01,205 --> 00:39:02,707
and not as managed.
845
00:39:02,707 --> 00:39:04,875
And culture change
is where hospitals
846
00:39:04,875 --> 00:39:06,510
can make the greatest impact.
847
00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:10,548
But society has just as great
a role in how we portray birth
848
00:39:10,548 --> 00:39:12,850
before somebody ever
comes into that system.
849
00:39:16,487 --> 00:39:20,491
- I stopped doing
obstetrics last December,
850
00:39:22,793 --> 00:39:26,997
which still is sad for me.
851
00:39:26,997 --> 00:39:27,932
I came to that decision
852
00:39:27,932 --> 00:39:31,802
because I just
couldn't any longer
853
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:37,908
practice in a place where
women's goals were so dismissed.
854
00:39:40,911 --> 00:39:43,047
The chairman of our department
855
00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:47,318
actually said that they
were going to have protocols
856
00:39:47,318 --> 00:39:50,988
and all ladies would get the
same care no matter what.
857
00:39:50,988 --> 00:39:55,726
And so the chance to
individualize care
for a given patient
858
00:39:57,161 --> 00:39:58,729
went out the window.
859
00:39:58,729 --> 00:40:03,400
And I couldn't, in
good conscience,
860
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,504
take patients, who,
over the years,
861
00:40:06,504 --> 00:40:09,306
had entrusted me to
be their advocate
862
00:40:09,306 --> 00:40:13,811
and to make medical decisions
for them, knowing them,
863
00:40:13,811 --> 00:40:18,616
to have to give up not
so much my autonomy,
864
00:40:19,650 --> 00:40:23,721
but their autonomy
was too heartbreaking.
865
00:40:24,755 --> 00:40:26,123
It wasn't what I went
to medical school to do.
866
00:40:29,827 --> 00:40:32,129
- When you get a
medical education,
867
00:40:32,129 --> 00:40:35,299
you are apprenticed
in some of the basics
868
00:40:35,299 --> 00:40:37,635
and presumably, over the
course of your career,
869
00:40:37,635 --> 00:40:40,771
you're going to keep
learning and advancing
870
00:40:40,771 --> 00:40:44,074
and as the field changes,
you keep along with it.
871
00:40:44,074 --> 00:40:46,710
You get trained to
practice in a certain way
872
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:49,914
and you get a
certain familiarity
873
00:40:49,914 --> 00:40:52,416
with clinical scenarios
that are common.
874
00:40:52,416 --> 00:40:56,020
And you basically learn this
is how I treat scenario A
875
00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:58,189
and this is how I
treat scenario B.
876
00:40:58,189 --> 00:40:59,857
To practice in a way
that is different
877
00:40:59,857 --> 00:41:01,826
in the way that you are trained
878
00:41:01,826 --> 00:41:04,762
or different in a way
that you are familiar with
879
00:41:04,762 --> 00:41:07,064
becomes very uncomfortable
880
00:41:07,064 --> 00:41:08,999
because you're not
necessarily used to
881
00:41:08,999 --> 00:41:10,868
or familiar with
what's going to happen
882
00:41:10,868 --> 00:41:13,270
if I don't do these things.
883
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:15,639
And our position as
obstetricians is going to be
884
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:16,941
well, that's too bad.
885
00:41:16,941 --> 00:41:18,108
You're just going to
have to figure out a way
886
00:41:18,108 --> 00:41:19,977
to survive it and
get through it.
887
00:41:19,977 --> 00:41:22,680
This is the only thing
that we can offer you.
888
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,184
I just came to feel
that we had taken
889
00:41:27,184 --> 00:41:29,420
a wrong turn somewhere,
890
00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:32,823
and how did our
specialty get to a place
891
00:41:32,823 --> 00:41:37,561
where the experts in childbirth
cannot deliver a baby?
892
00:41:39,096 --> 00:41:41,999
and how did our
specialty get to a (soft dr)
893
00:41:48,873 --> 00:41:51,242
- [Paula] How do the rest of
us learn about childbirth?
894
00:41:54,011 --> 00:41:56,247
(baby crying)
895
00:41:57,815 --> 00:42:00,684
(people chattering indistinctly)
896
00:42:00,684 --> 00:42:01,952
- All right.
897
00:42:01,952 --> 00:42:03,087
Well, I'm going to set
up a quick sonogram
898
00:42:03,087 --> 00:42:05,489
and see if we can find
out about the baby.
899
00:42:05,489 --> 00:42:08,592
It looks like we will be
having a happy, healthy baby.
900
00:42:08,592 --> 00:42:09,727
First thing I'm going to do
901
00:42:09,727 --> 00:42:11,395
is I'm going to
give mother cabbage
902
00:42:11,395 --> 00:42:14,231
a large dose of imagicillin.
903
00:42:14,231 --> 00:42:16,033
Now this does not
hurt nor harm her,
904
00:42:16,033 --> 00:42:20,070
just loosens her leaves and
helps for an easier delivery.
905
00:42:20,070 --> 00:42:21,171
And the next thing
I'm going to do
906
00:42:21,171 --> 00:42:22,640
is I'm going to
check to make sure
907
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,742
she's exactly 10 leaves apart.
908
00:42:26,677 --> 00:42:28,012
She's going to need your help
909
00:42:28,012 --> 00:42:29,647
with a quick breathing exercise
910
00:42:29,647 --> 00:42:30,981
to help her relax a little,
911
00:42:30,981 --> 00:42:33,584
so I'm gonna need you
all to breathe in.
912
00:42:33,584 --> 00:42:34,652
(people inhaling)
913
00:42:34,652 --> 00:42:36,820
And out.
(people exhaling)
914
00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:39,023
And in.
(people inhaling)
915
00:42:39,023 --> 00:42:40,958
And out.
(people exhaling)
916
00:42:40,958 --> 00:42:42,226
All right.
917
00:42:42,226 --> 00:42:43,427
Now she is ready to push,
918
00:42:43,427 --> 00:42:45,362
but she's going to need
your help one more time.
919
00:42:45,362 --> 00:42:46,430
So, on the count of three,
920
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:49,366
can I get you all to
push as loud as you can.
921
00:42:49,366 --> 00:42:51,402
One, two, three.
922
00:42:51,402 --> 00:42:52,469
- [All] Push!
923
00:42:53,771 --> 00:42:55,005
- [Instructor] All right.
924
00:42:55,005 --> 00:42:55,839
One more time, just
a little bit louder.
925
00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:58,409
One, two, three.
926
00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:03,113
- [All] Push!
927
00:43:03,914 --> 00:43:08,319
- [Child] Oh, he's so cute.
928
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:10,788
- [Instructor] Here's
our lilele boy.
929
00:43:10,788 --> 00:43:13,390
- [Audience Member] Yay.
930
00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:15,192
- [Instructor] So, I'm
just going to wrap him up,
931
00:43:15,192 --> 00:43:16,827
and tell you a couple
of things about him.
932
00:43:16,827 --> 00:43:18,295
- [Child] So cute.
933
00:43:19,763 --> 00:43:22,499
(soft eerie music)
934
00:43:37,614 --> 00:43:40,250
(insects buzzing)
935
00:43:41,518 --> 00:43:43,587
- [Pamela] When your
body goes into labor,
936
00:43:43,587 --> 00:43:45,856
you have a hormone, oxytocin.
937
00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:49,860
In labor, it rises
and rises and rises.
938
00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:51,862
And at the time
you have the baby,
939
00:43:51,862 --> 00:43:54,264
you have the most
amount of oxytocin
940
00:43:54,264 --> 00:43:57,534
going through your system of
any other time in your life.
941
00:43:58,836 --> 00:44:01,305
And that oxytocin
is a pain killer.
942
00:44:05,843 --> 00:44:08,045
- [Paula] It's not just a
better understanding of birth
943
00:44:08,045 --> 00:44:10,014
for those having
babies that's needed.
944
00:44:11,348 --> 00:44:14,118
Partners are also a vital
part of the process, too.
945
00:44:18,322 --> 00:44:19,156
(child crying)
946
00:44:19,156 --> 00:44:20,090
- [Charles] Let me see.
947
00:44:20,090 --> 00:44:20,891
Which one? Which one is it?
948
00:44:20,891 --> 00:44:22,159
- [Child] This one.
949
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:22,793
- [Charles] Which
one is it? This one?
950
00:44:22,793 --> 00:44:24,094
- [Child] Yes.
951
00:44:24,094 --> 00:44:24,728
- [Charles] Let me see.
You need a new finger?
952
00:44:24,728 --> 00:44:25,996
- [Child] Yes.
953
00:44:25,996 --> 00:44:26,930
- [Charles] All right.
Let me check my pocket.
954
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:28,132
What's tonight, guys?
955
00:44:28,132 --> 00:44:30,534
- Taco.
- Taco what?
956
00:44:30,534 --> 00:44:31,268
(child mumbles)
957
00:44:31,268 --> 00:44:33,504
- [Charles] Taco Tuesday.
958
00:44:33,504 --> 00:44:34,905
- [Friend] You
want some tomatoes?
959
00:44:34,905 --> 00:44:36,040
- [Child] Oh.
960
00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:38,742
We had this with... (mumbles)
961
00:44:38,742 --> 00:44:40,911
- [Friend] You did. Do
you want the tomatoes?
962
00:44:40,911 --> 00:44:41,845
- [Charles] This
is a table I had.
963
00:44:41,845 --> 00:44:43,547
This is actually, before we met,
964
00:44:43,547 --> 00:44:45,082
this is like the table
that Kira and I had.
965
00:44:45,082 --> 00:44:47,484
- Yes.
- In the place here, so...
966
00:44:47,484 --> 00:44:50,554
For weeks, we moved in,
and so she'd walk in,
967
00:44:50,554 --> 00:44:53,223
I'd be sitting at this
table, like eating,
968
00:44:53,223 --> 00:44:55,759
like, a grown man who's
like, all the time, like...
969
00:44:55,759 --> 00:44:57,494
- That's amazing.
970
00:44:57,494 --> 00:45:00,397
- Langston is in, what
I call the toaster,
971
00:45:00,397 --> 00:45:03,267
the little incubator,
just taking a nap.
972
00:45:04,068 --> 00:45:05,903
Kira is resting in her bed.
973
00:45:07,204 --> 00:45:10,407
As I look down, I begin
to see the catheter
974
00:45:10,407 --> 00:45:12,543
at Kira's bedside begin
to fill with blood.
975
00:45:13,911 --> 00:45:16,013
And I was, I was
alarmed, frankly,
976
00:45:16,013 --> 00:45:16,947
and I brought it
to the attention
977
00:45:16,947 --> 00:45:19,116
of the staff and the nurses.
978
00:45:19,116 --> 00:45:21,285
And they came in,
they assessed Kira.
979
00:45:21,285 --> 00:45:23,120
They ordered a series of tests,
980
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,190
including blood work
and an ultrasound
981
00:45:26,190 --> 00:45:27,691
and also very importantly,
982
00:45:27,691 --> 00:45:29,993
a CT scan they were
supposed to perform stat.
983
00:45:29,993 --> 00:45:31,595
I'm concerned, but I'm thinking,
984
00:45:31,595 --> 00:45:32,229
"You know what?
985
00:45:32,229 --> 00:45:33,497
My wife is healthy.
986
00:45:33,497 --> 00:45:35,299
My baby's healthy, and
we're at Cedars-Sinai."
987
00:45:37,534 --> 00:45:39,737
The blood work comes
back, it's abnormal.
988
00:45:39,737 --> 00:45:42,840
It's showing that all of her
blood levels are dropping.
989
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:43,807
When they do the ultrasound,
990
00:45:43,807 --> 00:45:44,775
they can see that her abdomen
991
00:45:44,775 --> 00:45:45,909
is beginning to fill with fluid.
992
00:45:45,909 --> 00:45:48,645
So, keep in mind, this
is shortly after 4:00.
993
00:45:51,448 --> 00:45:53,784
The doctor comes
in, he looks at her,
994
00:45:53,784 --> 00:45:54,985
feels around her stomach.
995
00:45:54,985 --> 00:45:56,820
She's in intense
pain, and he says,
996
00:45:56,820 --> 00:45:58,455
"We'll just see what happens."
997
00:45:58,455 --> 00:46:00,724
Right? And walks
back out of the room.
998
00:46:00,724 --> 00:46:02,626
And I'm asking, "Well,
where's the CT scan?"
999
00:46:02,626 --> 00:46:05,729
They're telling me,
"It's coming, it's
coming, it's coming."
1000
00:46:05,729 --> 00:46:10,334
7:00 comes. By this time,
Kira's shivering uncontrollably.
1001
00:46:10,334 --> 00:46:12,803
She's beginning to
become very pale.
1002
00:46:12,803 --> 00:46:14,104
They do another ultrasound,
1003
00:46:14,104 --> 00:46:16,607
they see that there's even
more blood in her abdomen,
1004
00:46:16,607 --> 00:46:20,210
and I'm asking still,
"Where is the CT scan?"
1005
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:22,579
And at which point a
staff member tells me,
1006
00:46:22,579 --> 00:46:25,149
"Sir, your wife just isn't
a priority right now.
1007
00:46:26,583 --> 00:46:28,585
Your wife just isn't
a priority right now."
1008
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,555
9:00 comes, 10:00 comes.
1009
00:46:31,555 --> 00:46:35,125
No CT scan. Kira's condition
is continuing to deteriorate.
1010
00:46:35,125 --> 00:46:37,261
And they said, "So, we need to
give her a blood transfusion
1011
00:46:37,261 --> 00:46:39,129
so that we can keep her stable."
1012
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:41,431
And I'm saying,
"Keep her stable?"
1013
00:46:41,431 --> 00:46:42,699
Just a couple of minutes ago,
1014
00:46:42,699 --> 00:46:44,468
somebody tol tme that
she wasn't a priority.
1015
00:46:44,468 --> 00:46:46,537
What are you talking
about, "Keep her stable?"
1016
00:46:47,404 --> 00:46:48,906
Hours continued to go by.
1017
00:46:48,906 --> 00:46:51,508
10:00 comes, 11:00 comes.
1018
00:46:51,508 --> 00:46:53,710
It wasn't until after midnight
1019
00:46:53,710 --> 00:46:56,446
that they finally took
Kira back to surgery.
1020
00:46:56,446 --> 00:46:59,216
I'm angry, I'm frustrated,
but I'm thinking,
1021
00:46:59,216 --> 00:47:01,084
"Finally, they're
going to do something.
1022
00:47:01,084 --> 00:47:01,985
They're going to do something.
1023
00:47:01,985 --> 00:47:03,420
They're going to fix it."
1024
00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:05,022
(machine beeping)
1025
00:47:05,022 --> 00:47:08,725
On the way to the operating
room, I'm holding her hand,
1026
00:47:08,725 --> 00:47:10,594
and she's saying,
"Baby, I'm scared."
1027
00:47:11,929 --> 00:47:14,464
And if you know Kira, there
was not a lot that scared Kira.
1028
00:47:14,464 --> 00:47:16,633
We're talking about a
woman that raced cars,
1029
00:47:16,633 --> 00:47:19,536
who ran marathons, who
was an avid skydiver.
1030
00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:23,273
But she's holding my hand, she's
saying, "Baby, I'm scared."
1031
00:47:24,408 --> 00:47:26,743
And the doctor says,
"It's no big deal."
1032
00:47:28,111 --> 00:47:30,414
He says, "I'm going to go back
in through the same incision
1033
00:47:30,414 --> 00:47:33,717
that I made earlier when
I did the ceasarean.
1034
00:47:33,717 --> 00:47:36,186
I'm going to find
out what's going on
1035
00:47:36,186 --> 00:47:37,454
and I'm going to fix it."
1036
00:47:39,456 --> 00:47:41,592
He told me that she would
be back in 15 minutes.
1037
00:47:42,693 --> 00:47:45,395
(melancholy music)
1038
00:47:49,967 --> 00:47:51,602
After they took Kira back
to the operating room,
1039
00:47:51,602 --> 00:47:53,904
they took me out
to a waiting room,
1040
00:47:53,904 --> 00:47:57,107
the same waiting room we
had entered that hospital in
1041
00:47:57,107 --> 00:47:59,209
at 1:30 that afternoon.
1042
00:47:59,209 --> 00:48:00,944
And at 1:30 in the afternoon,
1043
00:48:00,944 --> 00:48:02,512
that room was full of life.
1044
00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:05,315
It was full of
mothers and balloons
1045
00:48:05,315 --> 00:48:07,718
and families that were excited
1046
00:48:07,718 --> 00:48:11,722
to welcome these precious
gifts and these new babies.
1047
00:48:11,722 --> 00:48:14,324
And they put me in that
waiting room and it was empty.
1048
00:48:15,859 --> 00:48:18,929
All I could hear was
the janitor's vacuum.
1049
00:48:19,963 --> 00:48:21,832
My eyes are fixed on
this set of double doors
1050
00:48:21,832 --> 00:48:24,134
because I know when somebody
comes to give me some news,
1051
00:48:24,134 --> 00:48:26,403
they're going to come through
that set of double doors.
1052
00:48:27,404 --> 00:48:29,606
Finally, those doors open,
1053
00:48:29,606 --> 00:48:31,942
a set of residents
walk towards me
1054
00:48:31,942 --> 00:48:34,244
and they say, "Mr. Johnson,
we need you to have a seat."
1055
00:48:34,244 --> 00:48:36,113
So, I sit down and they tell me,
1056
00:48:36,113 --> 00:48:38,315
"Mr. Johnson, we couldn't
be back there any longer
1057
00:48:38,315 --> 00:48:40,284
without letting you
know what's going on.
1058
00:48:41,685 --> 00:48:43,987
When he made the
incision to open her up,
1059
00:48:43,987 --> 00:48:47,357
there was a lot of
blood and Kira coded."
1060
00:48:49,293 --> 00:48:50,627
And I'm saying, "What?"
1061
00:48:50,627 --> 00:48:52,863
She coded, but her
situation is critical
1062
00:48:52,863 --> 00:48:54,865
and they're continuing
to work on her.
1063
00:48:54,865 --> 00:48:57,334
There was hope. They
were working on her.
1064
00:48:57,334 --> 00:48:59,303
And in my mind, I
honestly, at that point,
1065
00:49:01,772 --> 00:49:03,607
I thought that she was
gonna be okay, right?
1066
00:49:03,607 --> 00:49:04,775
Because you're working on her.
1067
00:49:04,775 --> 00:49:05,842
And this is Kira,
right? She's...
1068
00:49:06,877 --> 00:49:07,711
She's amazing.
1069
00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:13,150
That set of doors open again
and those same two residents,
1070
00:49:13,150 --> 00:49:15,752
along with a doctor that
I'd never seen before, came.
1071
00:49:17,154 --> 00:49:20,991
They told us that Kira had died
1072
00:49:20,991 --> 00:49:23,727
and there was nothing that
they could do to save her.
1073
00:49:23,727 --> 00:49:28,565
♪ My darling time
to shut your eyes ♪
1074
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:34,371
♪ And leave the day
behind and slumber ♪
1075
00:49:35,272 --> 00:49:39,910
♪ Tomorrow waits for you rise
1076
00:49:41,178 --> 00:49:45,649
♪ So rest your weary head
and dream of wonder ♪
1077
00:49:46,850 --> 00:49:51,288
♪ It's not goodbye,
it's just good night ♪
1078
00:49:51,822 --> 00:49:53,990
(gentle music)
1079
00:49:57,861 --> 00:50:00,063
♪ I'll meet you on
the other side ♪
1080
00:50:00,063 --> 00:50:02,199
- [Charles] When they took
Kira back into surgery,
1081
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:04,001
and that doctor opened her up,
1082
00:50:04,001 --> 00:50:07,671
there were 3.5 liters
of blood in her abdomen
1083
00:50:07,671 --> 00:50:09,339
and her heart
stopped immediately.
1084
00:50:09,339 --> 00:50:10,807
♪ So much to tell you
1085
00:50:10,807 --> 00:50:14,911
♪ So much I want to show you
1086
00:50:14,911 --> 00:50:19,683
♪ I'll always be right here
beside you to hold you ♪
1087
00:50:20,751 --> 00:50:25,489
♪ It's not goodbye,
it's just goodnight ♪
1088
00:50:26,590 --> 00:50:28,925
♪ It's not goodbye,
it's just goodnight ♪
1089
00:50:28,925 --> 00:50:30,494
- Yay, give me hugs.
1090
00:50:30,494 --> 00:50:33,764
Oh, I love you,
sweetness. You're my baby.
1091
00:50:33,764 --> 00:50:34,464
Mwah.
1092
00:50:34,464 --> 00:50:35,832
I love you. Mwah.
1093
00:50:37,234 --> 00:50:38,402
- A woman like Kira,
1094
00:50:38,402 --> 00:50:39,903
a woman that's
perfectly healthy,
1095
00:50:39,903 --> 00:50:42,739
having access to care,
who has a healthy child,
1096
00:50:42,739 --> 00:50:44,408
who didn't have a
high-risk pregnancy,
1097
00:50:44,408 --> 00:50:47,611
walking into a hospital like
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center,
1098
00:50:47,611 --> 00:50:50,747
and not walking out to
raise her precious sons,
1099
00:50:50,747 --> 00:50:52,482
I thought that she
was an anomaly.
1100
00:50:53,717 --> 00:50:55,419
(singer vocalizing)
(birds chirping)
1101
00:50:57,487 --> 00:51:00,757
(birds chirping)
1102
00:51:01,425 --> 00:51:02,793
- [Paula] I wondered
if those in power
1103
00:51:02,793 --> 00:51:04,394
were starting to hear the voices
1104
00:51:04,394 --> 00:51:06,363
of those who felt so powerless.
1105
00:51:12,469 --> 00:51:13,837
- I'm here first and foremost
1106
00:51:13,837 --> 00:51:15,839
as not just a man and a husband,
1107
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:18,308
but a dad to a
beautiful, healthy
1108
00:51:18,308 --> 00:51:19,676
little five-and-a-half-
year-old girl
1109
00:51:19,676 --> 00:51:22,045
that is missing the most
important thing in the world
1110
00:51:22,045 --> 00:51:24,881
for every little girl,
and that's a mom.
1111
00:51:24,881 --> 00:51:27,517
My wife took her life 41 days
after my daughter was born.
1112
00:51:27,517 --> 00:51:28,985
No where on that
death certificate
1113
00:51:28,985 --> 00:51:31,922
was a box checked that he
had given birth to a baby.
1114
00:51:33,156 --> 00:51:37,060
There's two words: hanged
and hanged herself.
1115
00:51:37,060 --> 00:51:39,396
My daughter has to look
at that death certificate.
1116
00:51:39,396 --> 00:51:42,799
I'm running out of stories to
tell her about what happened.
1117
00:51:42,799 --> 00:51:45,368
The reality of the matter
is I'm scared to death
1118
00:51:45,368 --> 00:51:47,404
she's gonna blame herself.
1119
00:51:47,404 --> 00:51:50,373
But it's not her fault and
it wasn't her mother's fault.
1120
00:51:50,373 --> 00:51:51,575
It's the system's fault.
1121
00:51:51,575 --> 00:51:53,009
It's healthcare's fault.
1122
00:51:53,009 --> 00:51:54,978
My wife did not
suffer in silence.
1123
00:51:54,978 --> 00:51:58,448
She was extremely vocal about
what was going to happen.
1124
00:51:58,448 --> 00:52:00,851
We went to seven
different hospitals
1125
00:52:00,851 --> 00:52:04,154
and different facilities in
the last 13 days of her life,
1126
00:52:04,154 --> 00:52:07,357
each one turning her away
for one reason or another.
1127
00:52:07,357 --> 00:52:09,326
All the doctors she talked to,
1128
00:52:09,326 --> 00:52:11,995
the answer every time was
the same and never changed.
1129
00:52:11,995 --> 00:52:12,696
"You're fine.
1130
00:52:12,696 --> 00:52:14,164
You're not crazy.
1131
00:52:14,164 --> 00:52:15,966
You don't belong with them.
1132
00:52:15,966 --> 00:52:18,068
Just go home and be with
your friends and family.
1133
00:52:18,068 --> 00:52:19,135
This will pass."
1134
00:52:20,504 --> 00:52:23,773
Postpartum depression is twice
as common as breast cancer.
1135
00:52:24,508 --> 00:52:25,842
Now, imagine that.
1136
00:52:25,842 --> 00:52:28,044
Imagine you just get
diagnosed with breast cancer,
1137
00:52:28,044 --> 00:52:30,547
you walk into a
hospital and they say,
1138
00:52:30,547 --> 00:52:31,715
"I'm sorry.
1139
00:52:31,715 --> 00:52:32,682
We don't offer
services for that.
1140
00:52:32,682 --> 00:52:34,484
Just go home. You'll be fine."
1141
00:52:35,585 --> 00:52:36,853
It's too late for my wife,
1142
00:52:36,853 --> 00:52:38,622
but it's not too
late for my daughter.
1143
00:52:38,622 --> 00:52:40,557
We have an opportunity
1144
00:52:40,557 --> 00:52:42,726
to make sure that my
daughter's generation,
1145
00:52:42,726 --> 00:52:45,028
that women after my wife,
1146
00:52:45,028 --> 00:52:47,831
get the care they need,
the care they deserve.
1147
00:52:47,831 --> 00:52:50,133
And I always emphasize
all the time,
1148
00:52:50,133 --> 00:52:51,768
it is not a women's
health issue,
1149
00:52:51,768 --> 00:52:54,471
it is a family health issue.
1150
00:52:54,471 --> 00:52:59,142
If mom is not okay,
everybody suffers.
1151
00:53:00,610 --> 00:53:03,513
(melancholy music)
1152
00:53:24,901 --> 00:53:27,537
- [Paula] Postpartum depression
is not a small problem,
1153
00:53:28,572 --> 00:53:30,807
yet far too many
suffer in silence.
1154
00:53:32,576 --> 00:53:35,011
Not only are mothers
not being heard,
1155
00:53:35,011 --> 00:53:36,379
but also there's this guilt
1156
00:53:36,379 --> 00:53:39,249
if you say you're struggling,
that you're a bad mom.
1157
00:53:40,717 --> 00:53:41,985
- I think you're starting
to see men step up
1158
00:53:41,985 --> 00:53:44,054
and talk about it,
and we have to.
1159
00:53:44,054 --> 00:53:47,157
I cannot imagine going
through that period
1160
00:53:47,157 --> 00:53:50,493
with a new addition to our
family without my wife there.
1161
00:53:50,493 --> 00:53:52,095
I can't imagine it for me.
1162
00:53:52,095 --> 00:53:54,364
Obviously, your entire
life would be upended.
1163
00:53:54,364 --> 00:53:56,499
I can't imagine it for our
three-year-old little daughter
1164
00:53:56,499 --> 00:53:57,867
or our one-year little boy.
1165
00:53:57,867 --> 00:54:00,136
I can't imagine the
stories that I have heard
1166
00:54:00,136 --> 00:54:04,374
from husbands and dads that
have told their own stories.
1167
00:54:04,374 --> 00:54:06,076
What compels me to try
to speak up about this
1168
00:54:06,076 --> 00:54:08,211
is to know that we can
do something about it.
1169
00:54:10,113 --> 00:54:12,916
- [Paula] But is anyone in
Congress doing anything?
1170
00:54:14,251 --> 00:54:18,188
- We're 47th in the developed
world for maternal mortality
1171
00:54:18,188 --> 00:54:19,956
and it's getting worse.
1172
00:54:19,956 --> 00:54:22,425
So, then, the next
question is why?
1173
00:54:22,425 --> 00:54:25,228
Like, why are we the 47th
and why is it getting worse?
1174
00:54:25,228 --> 00:54:28,231
And why are some states
even worse than others?
1175
00:54:29,633 --> 00:54:32,235
You know, if you're an African
American woman in New Jersey,
1176
00:54:32,235 --> 00:54:33,837
I admit almost, to
them, where it's like,
1177
00:54:33,837 --> 00:54:36,840
should we try and let
them have birth elsewhere?
1178
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,643
It's mind blowing, in
21st century America
1179
00:54:39,643 --> 00:54:40,543
that that's happening.
1180
00:54:40,543 --> 00:54:42,712
So, these groups started saying,
1181
00:54:42,712 --> 00:54:45,915
"Well, we can't answer
the question fully.
1182
00:54:45,915 --> 00:54:48,218
"We need maternal
mortality review committees
1183
00:54:48,218 --> 00:54:49,219
in every state.
1184
00:54:49,219 --> 00:54:51,388
We have to investigate
every death."
1185
00:54:54,891 --> 00:54:56,092
- [Paula] In a moment
when it feels like
1186
00:54:56,092 --> 00:54:59,095
we're unable to agree on
anything as a country,
1187
00:54:59,095 --> 00:55:01,998
two mothers from either side
of the aisle said, "Enough."
1188
00:55:03,099 --> 00:55:04,768
- [Jaime] We pushed
and pushed and pushed
1189
00:55:04,768 --> 00:55:06,269
many different angles.
1190
00:55:06,269 --> 00:55:09,939
The coalition, Charles was
willing to tell his story.
1191
00:55:09,939 --> 00:55:11,107
- I just started
lobbying for it.
1192
00:55:11,107 --> 00:55:12,475
I sttearted writing letters.
1193
00:55:12,475 --> 00:55:13,743
I started making phone calls.
1194
00:55:13,743 --> 00:55:16,246
I started making visits
to Washington, D.C.
1195
00:55:16,246 --> 00:55:19,115
Taking meetings with anybody
that would meet with me.
1196
00:55:19,115 --> 00:55:20,383
Trying to tell Kira's story,
1197
00:55:20,383 --> 00:55:22,952
trying to get
people's attention.
1198
00:55:22,952 --> 00:55:24,654
I'm not asking at this point.
1199
00:55:24,654 --> 00:55:26,723
I stopped asking
a long time ago.
1200
00:55:26,723 --> 00:55:27,891
When I go into these offices,
1201
00:55:27,891 --> 00:55:29,826
I'm respectfully
demanding their support.
1202
00:55:29,826 --> 00:55:31,728
I'm respectfully
demanding that this bill
1203
00:55:31,728 --> 00:55:33,329
go to the floor for a vote.
1204
00:55:33,329 --> 00:55:34,964
Because there's two types
of people in our country,
1205
00:55:34,964 --> 00:55:37,500
either you are a
mama or you have one.
1206
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:39,369
Poured my heart out to Congress.
1207
00:55:39,369 --> 00:55:42,205
People on both sides of
the aisle are in tears.
1208
00:55:42,205 --> 00:55:45,108
For those that choose to stand
in opposition to this bill,
1209
00:55:46,009 --> 00:55:47,711
you don't owe me an explanation,
1210
00:55:48,678 --> 00:55:50,246
you owe an explanation
to my boys.
1211
00:55:52,215 --> 00:55:55,051
You owe Tara Hanson's
son an explanation.
1212
00:55:56,553 --> 00:55:59,289
(melancholy music)
1213
00:56:02,625 --> 00:56:04,060
It passed with flying colors,
1214
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:05,862
unanimous support in the House.
1215
00:56:05,862 --> 00:56:07,564
It passed to the Senate.
1216
00:56:07,564 --> 00:56:09,299
And so H.R.1318 is a law.
1217
00:56:14,571 --> 00:56:17,207
- Because I've been at
the table doing policy
1218
00:56:17,207 --> 00:56:19,509
while I've gone through
challenging pregnancies
1219
00:56:19,509 --> 00:56:20,677
or typical pregnancies,
1220
00:56:20,677 --> 00:56:23,279
or now, we're doing this
with a midwife, right,
1221
00:56:23,279 --> 00:56:25,315
so get a little
bit of everything.
1222
00:56:25,315 --> 00:56:27,951
I think it adds to
my perspective when
I'm making policy.
1223
00:56:27,951 --> 00:56:30,987
So, I bring that to the
table, and we need it.
1224
00:56:30,987 --> 00:56:32,188
I guess part of the problem
1225
00:56:32,188 --> 00:56:33,957
is maybe there haven't
been as many people,
1226
00:56:35,024 --> 00:56:37,060
I don't know, giving
birth while in Congress?
1227
00:56:38,528 --> 00:56:39,863
- [Paula] Well, it's
certainly an issue
1228
00:56:39,963 --> 00:56:42,499
that some of our lawmakers
are less shy about discussing.
1229
00:56:45,268 --> 00:56:47,103
Lawmakers like Tammy Duckworth,
1230
00:56:48,104 --> 00:56:51,307
a senator, a veteran
who lost both her legs
1231
00:56:51,307 --> 00:56:54,411
while deployed in Iraq
and a working mom of two.
1232
00:56:56,112 --> 00:56:59,149
- And exerting even more
control over women's bodies.
1233
00:56:59,149 --> 00:57:02,886
It's sexist, regressive
and flat out dangerous.
1234
00:57:02,886 --> 00:57:06,556
But even while this
administration's
agenda is a travesty,
1235
00:57:06,556 --> 00:57:08,425
it's not an anomaly.
1236
00:57:08,425 --> 00:57:10,293
Rather, it's just
the latest step
1237
00:57:10,293 --> 00:57:13,897
in the far right's long march
to strip away women's rights.
1238
00:57:13,897 --> 00:57:15,932
And I'm tired of it.
1239
00:57:15,932 --> 00:57:18,001
Sick of them trying
to shame women
1240
00:57:18,001 --> 00:57:19,702
when they are the ones
who should be ashamed.
1241
00:57:19,702 --> 00:57:22,872
So, enough with hypocrisy,
with the misogyny,
1242
00:57:22,872 --> 00:57:24,674
with some men in
hallowed halls in D.C.
1243
00:57:24,674 --> 00:57:27,510
arguing that they know
better than moms in Illinois,
1244
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:29,279
or Arizona or Missouri.
1245
00:57:29,279 --> 00:57:31,848
We can and we must do better.
1246
00:57:31,848 --> 00:57:34,551
That means fighting for
everything from equal pay
1247
00:57:34,551 --> 00:57:35,685
to better parental leave.
1248
00:57:35,685 --> 00:57:37,687
It means proving that
we care about women
1249
00:57:37,687 --> 00:57:41,357
every day of the year, not
just on one Sunday in May.
1250
00:57:41,357 --> 00:57:42,826
That's the least
that our mothers
1251
00:57:42,826 --> 00:57:45,528
and daughters and
sisters deserve.
1252
00:57:45,528 --> 00:57:46,896
Thank you.
1253
00:57:46,896 --> 00:57:49,165
The rising maternal mortality
rate in the United States
1254
00:57:49,165 --> 00:57:51,935
is really an issue of disparity.
1255
00:57:53,403 --> 00:57:56,940
And it becomes an issue
of disparity of resources.
1256
00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:59,609
And I think that the push
to go after organizations
1257
00:57:59,609 --> 00:58:01,778
like Planned Parenthood,
the abortion debate,
1258
00:58:01,778 --> 00:58:05,048
the choice debate has
really allowed those folks
1259
00:58:05,048 --> 00:58:06,349
who are very extreme
on the far right
1260
00:58:06,349 --> 00:58:09,118
to stop the funding
stream that goes
1261
00:58:09,118 --> 00:58:11,554
to a lot of these
healthcare practices
1262
00:58:11,554 --> 00:58:14,858
that really serve
underprivileged and
lower income women,
1263
00:58:14,858 --> 00:58:16,993
and that's really causing
the rates to spike.
1264
00:58:20,730 --> 00:58:22,432
- [Paula] It's reported
that nearly a quarter
1265
00:58:22,432 --> 00:58:24,634
of rural hospitals are
on the brink of closure.
1266
00:58:25,668 --> 00:58:27,604
Being 90 miles from
your nearest ER
1267
00:58:27,604 --> 00:58:30,139
can't be good for
anyone's health.
1268
00:58:30,139 --> 00:58:31,741
- [Reporter] Data used
by the LeapFrog group
1269
00:58:31,741 --> 00:58:34,878
ranked the Lehigh Regional
Medical Center at the bottom,
1270
00:58:34,878 --> 00:58:37,213
an F for patient safety.
1271
00:58:37,213 --> 00:58:38,648
- [Reporter] Georgia
mothers are dying.
1272
00:58:38,648 --> 00:58:40,783
Our state ranks last when it
comes to maternal mortality.
1273
00:58:40,783 --> 00:58:42,819
- [Paula] And even if
your hospital stays open,
1274
00:58:42,819 --> 00:58:45,355
unfortunately, the lower
your neighborhood income,
1275
00:58:45,355 --> 00:58:47,023
the less likely your hospital is
1276
00:58:47,023 --> 00:58:48,825
to have a good safety grade,
1277
00:58:48,825 --> 00:58:51,728
as resources are strained
and staff are overworked
1278
00:58:51,728 --> 00:58:52,996
and under supported.
1279
00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:56,666
- I've had a long
journey to motherhood.
1280
00:58:56,666 --> 00:58:58,301
It took me 10 years
of infertility
1281
00:58:58,301 --> 00:59:00,103
to try to have my children.
1282
00:59:00,103 --> 00:59:01,471
I know how precious
they are to me.
1283
00:59:01,471 --> 00:59:03,640
And so it really is something
1284
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,443
that I can't imagine a child
growing up without her mother
1285
00:59:07,443 --> 00:59:09,612
because her mom
died in childbirth.
1286
00:59:09,612 --> 00:59:11,080
I can't imagine that
we, as the richest,
1287
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,050
most powerful nation on the
Earth, can't solve this problem.
1288
00:59:15,885 --> 00:59:18,521
I can't imagine that
continue to take back control?e
1289
00:59:19,822 --> 00:59:23,059
The more I connected grassroots
workers in maternal health,
1290
00:59:23,059 --> 00:59:26,296
the more I saw how hard it
was for them to be heard
1291
00:59:26,296 --> 00:59:29,032
beyond those who already
knew we have a problem.
1292
00:59:30,266 --> 00:59:32,602
In answer to this
is Mom Congress,
1293
00:59:32,602 --> 00:59:35,338
a group of mothers,
fathers and birth workers
1294
00:59:35,338 --> 00:59:37,674
who came from every
state in the nation
1295
00:59:37,674 --> 00:59:40,009
to collectively take
a series of bills
1296
00:59:40,009 --> 00:59:41,210
to their representatives.
1297
00:59:41,210 --> 00:59:43,279
- I think that's really
all of our goals.
1298
00:59:43,279 --> 00:59:45,748
And if we want to highlight
specific disparities
1299
00:59:45,748 --> 00:59:48,318
and things like that, we
can absolutely do that.
1300
00:59:48,318 --> 00:59:49,385
- [Speaker] I think we have to.
1301
00:59:49,385 --> 00:59:50,586
Because the majority
of, you know,
1302
00:59:50,586 --> 00:59:54,324
when we have 78.3,
78% of, you know,
1303
00:59:54,324 --> 00:59:55,858
people of color, then
that's the issue.
1304
00:59:55,858 --> 00:59:57,493
- [Paula] Well, it's all the
symptom of the same thing.
1305
00:59:57,493 --> 00:59:58,861
They aren't listening to women.
1306
00:59:58,861 --> 01:00:00,296
And they're deaf to Black women.
1307
01:00:00,296 --> 01:00:01,931
- When it comes to
women in general,
1308
01:00:01,931 --> 01:00:02,765
we're just not
being listened to,
1309
01:00:02,765 --> 01:00:03,633
we're not being heard.
1310
01:00:03,633 --> 01:00:05,368
Our children are not being heard
1311
01:00:05,368 --> 01:00:08,004
and not being taught about
themselves, about their bodies,
1312
01:00:08,004 --> 01:00:09,172
and we're not being educated.
1313
01:00:09,172 --> 01:00:11,040
So, then, you grow
up to be an adult
1314
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,308
who then becomes pregnant,
1315
01:00:12,308 --> 01:00:13,643
and we don't think about
pregnancy until then.
1316
01:00:13,643 --> 01:00:14,610
- [Speaker] Right.
1317
01:00:14,610 --> 01:00:16,012
- All right, so let's bounce,
1318
01:00:16,012 --> 01:00:18,581
let's get through security,
and let's get this done.
1319
01:00:20,917 --> 01:00:24,487
(group members chattering)
1320
01:00:24,487 --> 01:00:25,388
- [Group Member 1] Some of us,
1321
01:00:25,388 --> 01:00:27,357
some of the moms are not here.
1322
01:00:27,357 --> 01:00:30,326
- Too many moms, right?
- Three moms are not here.
1323
01:00:30,326 --> 01:00:31,027
- [Group Member
1] And that's why
1324
01:00:31,027 --> 01:00:31,828
we're here today.
1325
01:00:33,062 --> 01:00:36,466
(group members chattering)
1326
01:00:40,236 --> 01:00:44,240
(people chattering indistinctly)
1327
01:00:46,709 --> 01:00:49,145
- [Paula] Imagine if, and
just hear me out here,
1328
01:00:49,145 --> 01:00:50,980
two men died every
day in America
1329
01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:52,849
as a result of reproduction.
1330
01:00:52,849 --> 01:00:55,184
If their contributions
to the birthing process
1331
01:00:55,184 --> 01:00:57,353
were a game of Russian roulette,
1332
01:00:57,353 --> 01:01:00,289
would we stop having sex
without medical help?
1333
01:01:00,289 --> 01:01:02,692
Would we tell them, "Well,
you know it's a risk
1334
01:01:02,692 --> 01:01:05,228
if you choose to
become a daddy?"
1335
01:01:05,228 --> 01:01:06,829
Would we brush these
stories under the rug
1336
01:01:06,829 --> 01:01:08,798
and chalk them up
to the original sin?
1337
01:01:10,366 --> 01:01:12,535
Well, if the industry
that created Viagra
1338
01:01:12,535 --> 01:01:14,203
was anything to go by,
1339
01:01:14,203 --> 01:01:15,772
I'd say that's a probable no.
1340
01:01:18,574 --> 01:01:22,378
(crowd chanting indistinctly)
1341
01:01:24,047 --> 01:01:25,348
And what about feminism?
1342
01:01:26,182 --> 01:01:27,817
Why is that a complicated word?
1343
01:01:29,118 --> 01:01:31,287
- [Interviewer] How do you
make sure that younger people
1344
01:01:31,287 --> 01:01:33,356
feel like they can
embrace the word feminist?
1345
01:01:33,356 --> 01:01:35,825
- Send them to the
dictionary because, if-
1346
01:01:35,825 --> 01:01:37,293
(people laughing)
1347
01:01:37,293 --> 01:01:39,262
No, seriously, because
it has been demonized
1348
01:01:39,262 --> 01:01:44,167
by Rush Limbaugh and company
into feminazi and man hating.
1349
01:01:44,867 --> 01:01:45,935
There are synonyms.
1350
01:01:45,935 --> 01:01:47,170
We don't have to all
use the same word.
1351
01:01:47,170 --> 01:01:49,472
There's mujerista, womanism,
1352
01:01:49,472 --> 01:01:51,974
women's liberation, girrrls
with two or three Rs,
1353
01:01:51,974 --> 01:01:54,510
which I love, I
think that's great.
1354
01:01:54,510 --> 01:01:55,445
- [Paula] Mother?
1355
01:01:57,380 --> 01:01:59,549
I wonder why I'm not
seeing my feminist allies
1356
01:01:59,549 --> 01:02:01,584
show up for the
maternal health crisis.
1357
01:02:03,453 --> 01:02:04,954
- I think that motherhood
1358
01:02:04,954 --> 01:02:08,458
is the most extreme
expression of femininity,
1359
01:02:08,458 --> 01:02:11,027
and so it is challenged.
1360
01:02:11,027 --> 01:02:12,895
When we talk about motherhood,
1361
01:02:12,895 --> 01:02:15,131
we're talking about both
I think of a relationship
1362
01:02:15,131 --> 01:02:17,133
that a parent has with a child
1363
01:02:17,133 --> 01:02:18,601
and the act of
birthing children.
1364
01:02:18,601 --> 01:02:20,269
But really, we're
talking about how women
1365
01:02:20,269 --> 01:02:21,737
are symbolized in society
1366
01:02:21,737 --> 01:02:24,807
or rather that women have
value when it's based
1367
01:02:24,807 --> 01:02:26,843
upon the life of someone else.
1368
01:02:26,843 --> 01:02:28,878
- [Speaker] Sex and race,
because they are easy,
1369
01:02:28,878 --> 01:02:30,713
visible differences have
been the primary ways
1370
01:02:30,713 --> 01:02:33,549
of organizing human
beings into superior
1371
01:02:33,549 --> 01:02:35,184
and inferior groups
1372
01:02:35,184 --> 01:02:38,387
and into the cheap labor on
which this system still depends.
1373
01:02:38,387 --> 01:02:40,056
We are talking about a society
1374
01:02:40,056 --> 01:02:41,924
in which there will be no roles
1375
01:02:41,924 --> 01:02:45,428
other than those
chosen or those earned.
1376
01:02:45,428 --> 01:02:48,297
We are really talking
about humanism.
1377
01:02:48,297 --> 01:02:49,732
- [Paula] And if you're
shocked to discover
1378
01:02:49,732 --> 01:02:52,235
that women don't have equal
rights under the Constitution,
1379
01:02:52,235 --> 01:02:53,970
you're not alone.
1380
01:02:55,338 --> 01:02:58,307
(singer vocalizing)
1381
01:03:00,576 --> 01:03:02,044
- [Paula] When I first
heard about the work
1382
01:03:02,044 --> 01:03:04,547
of National Advocates
for Pregnant Women,
1383
01:03:04,547 --> 01:03:06,916
I was like, "How are
these cases even real?"
1384
01:03:07,984 --> 01:03:10,653
But on talking to their
founder, Lynn Paltrow,
1385
01:03:10,653 --> 01:03:12,555
I discovered the need
for legal support
1386
01:03:12,555 --> 01:03:15,725
for pregnant women was
terrifyingly important.
1387
01:03:16,726 --> 01:03:18,661
- We really want to ensure
1388
01:03:18,661 --> 01:03:21,397
that pregnant people
are recognized
1389
01:03:21,397 --> 01:03:23,566
as having their own personhood
1390
01:03:23,566 --> 01:03:26,936
and are fully included
in the US Constitution.
1391
01:03:26,936 --> 01:03:29,539
We live in a country
that has a constitution
1392
01:03:29,539 --> 01:03:32,642
and it's been interpreted
to protect the right
1393
01:03:32,642 --> 01:03:35,878
to bodily integrity and
medical decision making.
1394
01:03:35,878 --> 01:03:38,247
And these are decisions
that appear to be,
1395
01:03:38,247 --> 01:03:40,349
and apply to all people.
1396
01:03:40,349 --> 01:03:42,185
But the more cases we deal with,
1397
01:03:42,185 --> 01:03:43,753
the more apparent it becomes
1398
01:03:43,753 --> 01:03:46,923
that people think
of pregnant women
1399
01:03:46,923 --> 01:03:49,725
as a separate and
unequal class of persons
1400
01:03:49,725 --> 01:03:51,761
who really have
no rights at all.
1401
01:03:53,396 --> 01:03:54,630
- I never thought
I could be arrested
1402
01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:57,333
for experiencing a tragedy.
1403
01:03:57,333 --> 01:04:00,002
I lost my daughter and then
I was prosecuted for it.
1404
01:04:00,002 --> 01:04:02,438
- A pregnant woman
shot in the stomach,
1405
01:04:02,438 --> 01:04:04,540
now facing possible
manslaughter charges
1406
01:04:04,540 --> 01:04:05,942
for the death of her fetus.
1407
01:04:05,942 --> 01:04:08,110
The shooter not
charged in this case.
1408
01:04:08,110 --> 01:04:10,813
Critics calling it a cruel
and dangerous new step
1409
01:04:10,813 --> 01:04:13,182
by the state to
criminalize pregnancy.
1410
01:04:13,182 --> 01:04:15,618
- [Reporter] Marshae Jones'
arrest came some six months
1411
01:04:15,618 --> 01:04:16,953
after the 28-year-old,
1412
01:04:16,953 --> 01:04:19,155
who was five months
pregnant at the time,
1413
01:04:19,155 --> 01:04:20,489
was shot in the stomach.
1414
01:04:20,489 --> 01:04:21,991
According to the
grand jury indictment,
1415
01:04:21,991 --> 01:04:23,826
Jones intentionally
caused the death
1416
01:04:23,826 --> 01:04:26,095
of her unborn baby
by initiating a fight
1417
01:04:26,095 --> 01:04:28,264
knowing she was five
months pregnant,
1418
01:04:28,264 --> 01:04:31,467
concluding it was caused in
a sudden heat of passion.
1419
01:04:31,467 --> 01:04:33,603
- [Paula] Yes,
this is real life,
1420
01:04:33,603 --> 01:04:35,771
not a made- for-TV horror movie.
1421
01:04:35,771 --> 01:04:39,108
And even if a criminal
complaint could be complex,
1422
01:04:39,108 --> 01:04:40,209
what about a medical one?
1423
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:44,113
- A young mother of three is
suing a New York hospital.
1424
01:04:44,113 --> 01:04:45,114
She claimed she was given
1425
01:04:45,114 --> 01:04:47,350
a cesarean section
against her will.
1426
01:04:47,350 --> 01:04:48,918
- [Reporter]
35-year-old Rinat Dray
1427
01:04:48,918 --> 01:04:50,887
is the mother of three boys.
1428
01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:53,756
Her first two were delivered
by cesarean section,
1429
01:04:53,756 --> 01:04:56,359
which involved
difficult recoveries.
1430
01:04:56,359 --> 01:04:58,194
- Then he said,
"It doesn't matter
1431
01:04:58,194 --> 01:04:59,228
that there's good progress.
1432
01:04:59,228 --> 01:05:01,030
"I don't think it's
going to be natural.
1433
01:05:01,030 --> 01:05:02,898
I don't have the
whole day for you."
1434
01:05:02,898 --> 01:05:05,368
I was begging all the way,
1435
01:05:05,368 --> 01:05:06,636
"Don't do it.
1436
01:05:06,636 --> 01:05:07,970
I feel my baby.
Everything's fine.
1437
01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:09,438
Don't do it. Don't do it."
1438
01:05:09,438 --> 01:05:13,676
His answer was
just, "Don't speak."
1439
01:05:14,944 --> 01:05:17,079
- She didn't say, "I
refuse to have one."
1440
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:19,282
If you tell me, give
me any information
1441
01:05:19,282 --> 01:05:22,084
that my baby's really in
jeopardy, I'd agree to it.
1442
01:05:22,084 --> 01:05:25,021
But I'm not seeing anything
from anything you're telling me,
1443
01:05:25,021 --> 01:05:26,255
the doula isn't seeing anything
1444
01:05:26,255 --> 01:05:29,025
that says I need to
have it right now.
1445
01:05:29,025 --> 01:05:33,462
Unbeknownst to Rinat, the
hospital had a written policy,
1446
01:05:33,462 --> 01:05:34,697
not just the practice,
1447
01:05:34,697 --> 01:05:38,267
that authorized doctors
to perform surgery
1448
01:05:38,267 --> 01:05:40,102
without a woman's consent.
1449
01:05:40,102 --> 01:05:44,106
In fact, over her
explicit, clear refusal
1450
01:05:44,106 --> 01:05:47,576
if they believe that the
fetus' life was in jeopardy.
1451
01:05:47,576 --> 01:05:49,679
And the next thing she knew,
1452
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:52,048
Rinat Dray was wheeled in,
1453
01:05:52,048 --> 01:05:54,317
forced to undergo
cesarean surgery,
1454
01:05:54,317 --> 01:05:57,720
and in the process, they
damaged her bladder.
1455
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,355
The defense of what they did,
1456
01:05:59,355 --> 01:06:01,924
cutting this woman open
over explicit refusal,
1457
01:06:01,924 --> 01:06:04,794
and, I should add, that
they were so confident
1458
01:06:04,794 --> 01:06:07,430
in their right to
deny an adult woman
1459
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:09,065
of her medical decision making,
1460
01:06:09,065 --> 01:06:11,133
that they wrote
in her records...
1461
01:06:11,133 --> 01:06:14,337
- [Reporter] "I have decided
to override her refusal
1462
01:06:14,337 --> 01:06:15,771
to have a C-section."
1463
01:06:15,771 --> 01:06:17,373
- And the hospital's claims,
1464
01:06:17,373 --> 01:06:22,044
their absolutely vigorous
defense of what they did to her,
1465
01:06:22,044 --> 01:06:23,913
over and over says, well yes,
1466
01:06:23,913 --> 01:06:25,548
there is a Patient Bill
of Rights in New York
1467
01:06:25,548 --> 01:06:28,551
that requires us to inform
patients of all of our policies,
1468
01:06:28,551 --> 01:06:30,219
including the maternal refusal,
1469
01:06:30,219 --> 01:06:32,455
we get to cut you open
without your consent policy,
1470
01:06:32,455 --> 01:06:35,391
but it doesn't specifically
include pregnant women.
1471
01:06:35,391 --> 01:06:37,360
Their position was pregnant
women aren't protected
1472
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:38,728
by the New York
State Bill of Rights.
1473
01:06:38,728 --> 01:06:39,929
Their position is women
1474
01:06:39,929 --> 01:06:41,497
aren't protected by
the Constitution.
1475
01:06:41,497 --> 01:06:43,632
They're not protected
by common law rights.
1476
01:06:43,632 --> 01:06:45,768
That by becoming pregnant,
1477
01:06:45,768 --> 01:06:48,270
a woman takes on the obligation
1478
01:06:48,270 --> 01:06:51,374
to do whatever is in the
best interests of the fetus,
1479
01:06:51,374 --> 01:06:55,144
as determined by doctors,
judges, anybody but her.
1480
01:06:58,748 --> 01:07:01,717
There are definitely
many powerful people
1481
01:07:01,717 --> 01:07:05,087
who believe that
undergoing major surgery
1482
01:07:05,087 --> 01:07:07,423
that is a risk to your health,
1483
01:07:07,423 --> 01:07:11,060
is just the burden women bear
because they are pregnant.
1484
01:07:13,662 --> 01:07:16,132
We really have not
accepted the idea
1485
01:07:16,132 --> 01:07:19,301
that healthcare is a
human right for everyone,
1486
01:07:19,301 --> 01:07:22,038
including the people
who can get pregnant,
1487
01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:24,740
and that maternal and
reproductive rights
1488
01:07:24,740 --> 01:07:28,210
aren't separate, special rights,
1489
01:07:28,210 --> 01:07:31,447
but they are what half of
all the human beings need
1490
01:07:31,447 --> 01:07:33,082
in order for their survival,
1491
01:07:33,082 --> 01:07:35,084
and what all human beings need
1492
01:07:35,084 --> 01:07:37,353
for the survival of the species.
1493
01:07:40,990 --> 01:07:42,525
- Most of our laws
around abortion
1494
01:07:42,525 --> 01:07:46,362
are kind of understood through
the lens of Roe v. Wade.
1495
01:07:48,864 --> 01:07:50,866
When you read the
Supreme Court decision,
1496
01:07:50,866 --> 01:07:54,437
it actually is less
naming women's ability
1497
01:07:54,437 --> 01:07:56,305
to have access to abortion,
1498
01:07:56,305 --> 01:07:58,174
and more saying that
a woman has the right
1499
01:07:58,174 --> 01:08:01,811
to determine when and whether
to continue a pregnancy.
1500
01:08:01,811 --> 01:08:04,380
So, it's as much
giving women autonomy
1501
01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:06,449
over choosing motherhood
1502
01:08:06,449 --> 01:08:08,984
as it is choosing when
not to be mothers.
1503
01:08:13,088 --> 01:08:16,192
- There are many people
who are fundamentally
1504
01:08:16,192 --> 01:08:17,860
genuinely opposed to abortion
1505
01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:20,362
for religious, moral,
ethical reasons,
1506
01:08:20,362 --> 01:08:23,766
who have not thought through
what the consequences
1507
01:08:23,766 --> 01:08:26,802
of their position is
if it becomes law.
1508
01:08:26,802 --> 01:08:29,338
Because if it is illegal
to have an abortion,
1509
01:08:29,338 --> 01:08:31,273
then the woman who
wants a home birth,
1510
01:08:31,273 --> 01:08:34,076
but somebody thinks it
endangers the life of the fetus,
1511
01:08:34,076 --> 01:08:35,778
is committing a crime.
1512
01:08:35,778 --> 01:08:37,813
The woman who refuses
cesarean surgery
1513
01:08:37,813 --> 01:08:40,349
is no better than
the murdering woman
1514
01:08:40,349 --> 01:08:43,519
choosing to end her pregnancy
early through an abortion.
1515
01:08:43,519 --> 01:08:46,655
The woman who chooses
to continue working
1516
01:08:46,655 --> 01:08:48,090
so she can have healthcare
1517
01:08:48,190 --> 01:08:50,559
to support the children she'll
have, and her prenatal care,
1518
01:08:50,559 --> 01:08:53,796
could be endangering the
life of her unborn child.
1519
01:08:53,796 --> 01:08:56,765
It is about taking
away every right
1520
01:08:56,765 --> 01:08:58,901
we associate with personhood
1521
01:08:58,901 --> 01:09:00,970
from the people who
can get pregnant.
1522
01:09:01,971 --> 01:09:03,439
- In the United
States, pregnancy,
1523
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,508
the only coverage
you get for pregnancy
1524
01:09:05,508 --> 01:09:08,277
in a workplace situation
is a disability.
1525
01:09:08,277 --> 01:09:10,079
You become a little bit
of a second class citizen.
1526
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:13,048
You're not fully capable
of executing things.
1527
01:09:13,048 --> 01:09:15,150
That's an example of
a lot of the language
1528
01:09:15,150 --> 01:09:18,154
used around birth and
parenting and pregnancy.
1529
01:09:18,154 --> 01:09:19,455
It's a little manipulative,
1530
01:09:19,455 --> 01:09:21,657
and I think it's meant
to sort of keep people
1531
01:09:21,657 --> 01:09:23,292
in a not so much fearful state,
1532
01:09:23,292 --> 01:09:24,527
but in a dependent state.
1533
01:09:24,527 --> 01:09:28,030
A dependent state upon
a medical institution
1534
01:09:28,030 --> 01:09:30,332
that knows what's
right for women.
1535
01:09:30,332 --> 01:09:32,801
You also become
free public domain.
1536
01:09:32,801 --> 01:09:36,071
I mean, any pregnant woman
talks about how all of a sudden
1537
01:09:36,071 --> 01:09:37,606
everybody can come up
and touch your belly.
1538
01:09:37,606 --> 01:09:40,109
People can have comments
about what you're eating
1539
01:09:40,109 --> 01:09:42,411
and can comment on
what you're drinking
1540
01:09:42,411 --> 01:09:45,147
and what you're doing, and
you shouldn't be lifting that.
1541
01:09:45,147 --> 01:09:49,919
All of a sudden, your personhood
is up to public scrutiny.
1542
01:09:52,521 --> 01:09:56,825
You think that mothers have
full choice over their lives,
1543
01:09:56,825 --> 01:09:58,394
and they don't.
1544
01:09:58,394 --> 01:09:59,528
- Equal rights.
1545
01:09:59,528 --> 01:10:01,230
Equal rights to have a
job, to have respect,
1546
01:10:01,230 --> 01:10:03,632
and not be viewed
as a piece of meat.
1547
01:10:03,632 --> 01:10:05,367
- We get distracted by abortion
1548
01:10:05,367 --> 01:10:07,236
because we think of it
as needing our support
1549
01:10:07,236 --> 01:10:09,171
more than mothers
need our support.
1550
01:10:09,171 --> 01:10:11,640
But if you look at, you
know, a slew of laws
1551
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,843
that have come out in
the last several decades,
1552
01:10:14,843 --> 01:10:16,312
they've been very subtle,
1553
01:10:16,312 --> 01:10:19,682
but they've essentially
taken the rights of mothers
1554
01:10:19,682 --> 01:10:21,016
out of mothers' control.
1555
01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:24,620
(melancholy music)
1556
01:10:26,622 --> 01:10:28,123
- There are many women
who are just ignored
1557
01:10:28,123 --> 01:10:29,491
every day in society,
1558
01:10:29,491 --> 01:10:31,827
and they tend to be Black
women and poor women,
1559
01:10:31,827 --> 01:10:33,395
and we just sort of don't
see their experience.
1560
01:10:33,395 --> 01:10:35,297
And so, I think
when we talk about
1561
01:10:35,297 --> 01:10:36,799
the treatment of pregnant women,
1562
01:10:36,799 --> 01:10:38,634
we're often talking about
the treatment of, sort of,
1563
01:10:38,634 --> 01:10:40,436
white privileged people,
1564
01:10:40,436 --> 01:10:44,206
and what's different is that
that community of people
1565
01:10:44,206 --> 01:10:47,943
is used to not being scrutinized
1566
01:10:47,943 --> 01:10:50,579
as much as other populations.
1567
01:10:53,949 --> 01:10:57,219
- [Paula] Remember those closed
door conversations in D.C.?
1568
01:10:57,219 --> 01:11:00,155
Well, one thing came
up again and again.
1569
01:11:00,155 --> 01:11:02,157
- [Speaker 1] I think it's
important to understand
1570
01:11:02,157 --> 01:11:04,493
where these numbers
are coming from,
1571
01:11:04,493 --> 01:11:08,764
are really a part
of systemic racism.
1572
01:11:08,764 --> 01:11:10,299
And if you don't admit that,
1573
01:11:10,299 --> 01:11:11,934
then we're never
going to be able
1574
01:11:11,934 --> 01:11:14,570
to change any of these numbers.
1575
01:11:14,570 --> 01:11:17,339
We can talk about them, we
can be aghast about them, but-
1576
01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:19,475
- [Speaker 2] You
have to acknowledge-
1577
01:11:19,475 --> 01:11:20,309
- [Speaker 1] We
have to acknowledge
1578
01:11:20,309 --> 01:11:21,543
the source of the problem.
1579
01:11:24,213 --> 01:11:26,615
(gentle music)
1580
01:11:28,450 --> 01:11:29,652
- [Paula] Although
many communities
1581
01:11:29,652 --> 01:11:31,887
are marginalized in
many different ways,
1582
01:11:31,887 --> 01:11:34,723
there's something
disproportionately going wrong
1583
01:11:34,723 --> 01:11:37,359
for Black and Native women
when it comes to childbirth.
1584
01:11:38,961 --> 01:11:42,231
- African American women are
facing maternal mortality
1585
01:11:42,231 --> 01:11:45,501
in such a desperate way
because racism is real.
1586
01:11:45,501 --> 01:11:47,336
The system of white
supremacy is real,
1587
01:11:47,336 --> 01:11:50,105
and it permeates every
sector of our lives.
1588
01:11:50,105 --> 01:11:53,375
And so we can't think that the
medical industrial complex,
1589
01:11:53,375 --> 01:11:54,710
it doesn't affect that as well.
1590
01:11:54,710 --> 01:11:57,146
And so we have to
know that when folks
1591
01:11:57,146 --> 01:11:59,014
are walking into their
doctor's offices,
1592
01:11:59,014 --> 01:12:00,683
when folks are
going in for care,
1593
01:12:00,683 --> 01:12:01,884
going in to ask questions,
1594
01:12:01,884 --> 01:12:04,286
going in to get what
they need for themselves,
1595
01:12:04,286 --> 01:12:07,323
their families, that
racism, unfortunately,
1596
01:12:07,323 --> 01:12:09,458
meets a lot of
folks at the door.
1597
01:12:10,793 --> 01:12:13,195
- [Paula] Monica came to her
place in reproductive justice
1598
01:12:13,195 --> 01:12:14,730
through civil rights work.
1599
01:12:14,730 --> 01:12:17,232
She's also a doula
and uniquely placed
1600
01:12:17,232 --> 01:12:18,600
to talk about the
intersecting needs
1601
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,169
of Black mothers in the South.
1602
01:12:21,570 --> 01:12:24,506
- It is astonishing that
we are not understanding
1603
01:12:24,506 --> 01:12:27,543
the history that is
connected to this issue.
1604
01:12:27,543 --> 01:12:30,646
And sometimes, we see that
as a side issue and it's not.
1605
01:12:33,816 --> 01:12:35,184
- For several weeks now,
1606
01:12:35,184 --> 01:12:38,520
we, the Negro citizens
of Montgomery,
1607
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,924
have been involved in
a nonviolent protest
1608
01:12:41,924 --> 01:12:46,028
against the injustices
which we have experienced
1609
01:12:46,028 --> 01:12:48,731
on the buses for
a number of years.
1610
01:12:49,865 --> 01:12:50,599
- [Crowd] Black lives matter!
1611
01:12:51,934 --> 01:12:54,136
Black lives matter!
1612
01:12:54,136 --> 01:12:55,104
- Hands up!
- Don't shoot!
1613
01:12:55,104 --> 01:12:56,405
- Hands up!
- Don't shoot!
1614
01:12:56,405 --> 01:12:57,906
- Hands up!
- Don't shoot!
1615
01:12:57,906 --> 01:13:00,209
- Hands up!
- Don't shoot!
1616
01:13:00,209 --> 01:13:01,310
- [Crowd] No justice, no peace!
1617
01:13:01,310 --> 01:13:03,312
No justice, no peace!
1618
01:13:03,312 --> 01:13:05,714
No justice, no peace!
1619
01:13:05,714 --> 01:13:07,816
No justice, no peace!
1620
01:13:07,816 --> 01:13:09,418
- It's all connected.
1621
01:13:09,418 --> 01:13:11,453
And if we're not
understanding that Black women
1622
01:13:11,453 --> 01:13:13,288
are still at the bottom
of the economic scale,
1623
01:13:13,288 --> 01:13:14,456
if we're not understanding
1624
01:13:14,456 --> 01:13:16,291
that there is a
deep, deep history,
1625
01:13:16,291 --> 01:13:18,227
especially in the
southern region,
1626
01:13:19,294 --> 01:13:21,096
we can't be surprised
that, unfortunately,
1627
01:13:21,096 --> 01:13:22,131
rates of maternal mortality
1628
01:13:22,131 --> 01:13:23,665
are gonna continue to increase,
1629
01:13:23,665 --> 01:13:26,935
and that we're going to see
disparities continue to rise.
1630
01:13:26,935 --> 01:13:29,238
- When we think about the
history of the United States
1631
01:13:29,238 --> 01:13:31,240
and people of color
in the United States,
1632
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:32,441
the medical model of care
1633
01:13:32,441 --> 01:13:34,243
was never created to
treat people of color.
1634
01:13:34,243 --> 01:13:35,244
It wasn't.
1635
01:13:36,645 --> 01:13:37,946
If you think about
the enslavement
1636
01:13:37,946 --> 01:13:40,582
of African people
and the emancipation,
1637
01:13:40,582 --> 01:13:44,520
now you have people
who are "free."
1638
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,288
Now you have Jim Crow laws.
1639
01:13:46,288 --> 01:13:48,490
So, now, everything is separate.
1640
01:13:48,490 --> 01:13:49,892
Sometimes you didn't
even have access
1641
01:13:49,892 --> 01:13:50,793
to get into the hospital.
1642
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:57,933
This conversation now
around maternal mortality,
1643
01:13:57,933 --> 01:13:59,301
Black people have been dying.
1644
01:13:59,301 --> 01:14:02,204
Black women and children
have been dying since,
1645
01:14:02,204 --> 01:14:03,705
I mean, I started
this work in 2008,
1646
01:14:03,705 --> 01:14:06,475
and the premise of this work
was on the foundation of
1647
01:14:06,475 --> 01:14:08,477
wow, Black women and
children are dying.
1648
01:14:09,778 --> 01:14:12,114
- [Lynn] In America, Black
women are three to four times
1649
01:14:12,114 --> 01:14:14,983
more likely to die due to
pregnancy- related causes
1650
01:14:14,983 --> 01:14:15,884
than white women.
1651
01:14:15,884 --> 01:14:16,885
And in New York City,
1652
01:14:16,885 --> 01:14:18,520
they are 12 times
more likely to die.
1653
01:14:20,222 --> 01:14:21,590
- [Paula] Chanel
runs Ancient Song,
1654
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:23,859
a community doula
service in Brooklyn.
1655
01:14:23,859 --> 01:14:25,894
She is also an educator
leading the charge
1656
01:14:25,894 --> 01:14:29,131
on how to combat racial
biases in the medical system.
1657
01:14:29,131 --> 01:14:30,799
And probably needs
her own TV show.
1658
01:14:32,134 --> 01:14:33,702
- What we continue
to see perpetuated
1659
01:14:33,702 --> 01:14:36,471
within the medical model
of care is this structure
1660
01:14:36,471 --> 01:14:38,774
that is based on racial ideals
1661
01:14:38,774 --> 01:14:41,543
or perceptions of
racial identity
1662
01:14:41,543 --> 01:14:44,847
for Black and brown people
that are false concepts.
1663
01:14:49,718 --> 01:14:51,553
- [Reporter] The American
College of Obstetricians
1664
01:14:51,553 --> 01:14:53,255
and Gynecologists
acknowledge that,
1665
01:14:53,255 --> 01:14:56,358
"The racial and ethnic
disparities in women's health,
1666
01:14:56,358 --> 01:14:58,193
including high
rates of preterm birth
1667
01:14:58,193 --> 01:14:59,695
and maternal mortality,
1668
01:14:59,695 --> 01:15:03,198
cannot be reversed without
addressing racial bias,
1669
01:15:03,198 --> 01:15:05,601
both implicit and explicit."
1670
01:15:06,702 --> 01:15:08,370
- [Paula] Bias by
nature is complex.
1671
01:15:08,370 --> 01:15:11,506
But basically, explicit
bias is conscious,
1672
01:15:11,506 --> 01:15:13,308
like thinking you're
better than someone
1673
01:15:13,308 --> 01:15:15,511
because of the color
of their skin or sex.
1674
01:15:16,812 --> 01:15:20,115
But implicit bias is mostly
subconscious and not as obvious,
1675
01:15:20,115 --> 01:15:22,885
like assuming the doctor you're
about to see will be a man.
1676
01:15:25,854 --> 01:15:29,391
There are many assumptions,
both explicit and implicit,
1677
01:15:29,391 --> 01:15:31,226
about why people are more likely
1678
01:15:31,226 --> 01:15:32,861
to die in childbirth
than others.
1679
01:15:32,861 --> 01:15:37,032
- Even after we do the
adjustments for income,
1680
01:15:37,032 --> 01:15:41,236
for education, this is
true across the board.
1681
01:15:41,236 --> 01:15:44,706
This is true for well-educated
African American women,
1682
01:15:44,706 --> 01:15:47,542
for wealthy African
American women,
1683
01:15:47,542 --> 01:15:49,845
and the best studies
that I've seen
1684
01:15:49,845 --> 01:15:53,782
put it down to just
one thing: prejudice.
1685
01:15:53,782 --> 01:15:56,351
- Today, a wealthy, well
educated African American woman,
1686
01:15:56,351 --> 01:15:57,586
one with a college degree,
1687
01:15:57,586 --> 01:15:59,855
is still more likely to
die during childbirth
1688
01:15:59,855 --> 01:16:01,156
or to have her baby die,
1689
01:16:01,156 --> 01:16:02,958
than a poor white woman
1690
01:16:02,958 --> 01:16:04,459
who does not have a
high school diploma.
1691
01:16:04,459 --> 01:16:06,628
And you can't explain
that by location,
1692
01:16:06,628 --> 01:16:07,763
you can't explain
that by education,
1693
01:16:07,763 --> 01:16:08,864
you can't explain
that by income,
1694
01:16:08,864 --> 01:16:10,198
you can't explain
that by wealth.
1695
01:16:10,198 --> 01:16:14,336
You can't explain that
other than by acknowledging
1696
01:16:14,336 --> 01:16:16,672
the fact that there
are still vast
1697
01:16:16,672 --> 01:16:19,141
and deep racial disparities
in our healthcare system
1698
01:16:19,141 --> 01:16:20,676
and across our country.
1699
01:16:20,676 --> 01:16:22,678
- Doctors, or people in general,
1700
01:16:22,678 --> 01:16:25,414
just don't believe that
Black people suffer,
1701
01:16:25,414 --> 01:16:27,883
or we're strong enough
to take the pain.
1702
01:16:28,650 --> 01:16:29,952
- [Reporter] Several studies,
1703
01:16:29,952 --> 01:16:31,987
including from the
University of Pennsylvania
1704
01:16:31,987 --> 01:16:34,256
and in The New England
Journal of Medicine,
1705
01:16:34,256 --> 01:16:35,490
found that Black patients
1706
01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:37,559
with the same
symptoms as white ones
1707
01:16:37,559 --> 01:16:39,528
receive less pain medication
1708
01:16:39,528 --> 01:16:41,897
and are referred to
specialists less often.
1709
01:16:43,632 --> 01:16:46,635
In a national survey
of over 2,000 women,
1710
01:16:46,635 --> 01:16:50,138
21% of Black mothers
reported poor treatment
1711
01:16:50,138 --> 01:16:51,573
from hospital staff,
1712
01:16:51,573 --> 01:16:53,842
which they attributed
to race, ethnicity,
1713
01:16:53,842 --> 01:16:56,144
cultural background or language.
1714
01:16:56,144 --> 01:17:00,082
Just 8% of white mothers
reported similar poor treatment.
1715
01:17:02,384 --> 01:17:04,753
- My wife was not
here to raise her sons
1716
01:17:04,753 --> 01:17:06,455
because of the
color of her skin.
1717
01:17:09,791 --> 01:17:11,426
One of the things that I
struggle with all the time is,
1718
01:17:11,426 --> 01:17:13,328
what else could I have done?
1719
01:17:13,328 --> 01:17:14,363
What could I have
done differently?
1720
01:17:14,363 --> 01:17:15,831
What could I have done more of?
1721
01:17:15,831 --> 01:17:18,500
Maybe if I had grabbed
the doctor by his collar,
1722
01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:20,535
maybe if I had gotten irate,
1723
01:17:20,535 --> 01:17:23,605
maybe if I had
turned over a table,
1724
01:17:23,605 --> 01:17:25,073
maybe if I had made a scene,
1725
01:17:25,073 --> 01:17:26,875
maybe they would have
taken Kira more seriously,
1726
01:17:26,875 --> 01:17:28,910
maybe they would have
moved with more urgency.
1727
01:17:28,910 --> 01:17:31,380
But in the moment,
I was thinking,
1728
01:17:31,380 --> 01:17:34,383
"I'm a Black man
at this hospital
1729
01:17:34,383 --> 01:17:35,684
and I have to stay under control
1730
01:17:35,684 --> 01:17:37,552
because I don't want to
be seen as a threat."
1731
01:17:37,552 --> 01:17:39,588
Because if I'm seen as a threat,
1732
01:17:39,588 --> 01:17:41,757
and I get removed
from the hospital,
1733
01:17:41,757 --> 01:17:44,393
then who's advocating
for my wife?"
1734
01:17:44,393 --> 01:17:47,362
- Interesting thing about
white supremacy and capitalism,
1735
01:17:47,362 --> 01:17:50,565
it's not this one answer, right?
1736
01:17:50,565 --> 01:17:52,367
It's so intricate.
1737
01:17:52,367 --> 01:17:56,938
It's so deeply
thought out in detail.
1738
01:17:58,006 --> 01:18:00,142
Put the light skin
against the dark skin.
1739
01:18:00,142 --> 01:18:01,510
Put the old against the young.
1740
01:18:01,510 --> 01:18:03,779
Put the men against the women.
1741
01:18:03,779 --> 01:18:06,581
- You know, I have two
sons, I have four daughters,
1742
01:18:06,581 --> 01:18:07,816
and I have to consistently worry
1743
01:18:07,816 --> 01:18:09,851
about how the world sees them
1744
01:18:09,851 --> 01:18:12,554
and their perception
of a young Black man
1745
01:18:12,554 --> 01:18:15,724
or their perception
of young Black women.
1746
01:18:15,724 --> 01:18:16,958
You know, when you
become pregnant,
1747
01:18:16,958 --> 01:18:18,660
you shouldn't have
to think about that.
1748
01:18:18,660 --> 01:18:20,729
Your choice shouldn't
have to be based on
1749
01:18:20,729 --> 01:18:23,698
do I want to have a
child and think about,
1750
01:18:23,698 --> 01:18:25,901
well, you know, right
now, they're cute,
1751
01:18:25,901 --> 01:18:27,903
and you see them as cute
'cause they're a baby.
1752
01:18:27,903 --> 01:18:30,138
But when they're 10-years-old,
they're a threat.
1753
01:18:32,374 --> 01:18:34,976
And I'm tired of just living
in a mode of survival.
1754
01:18:34,976 --> 01:18:38,580
Like we now are
at a point of, no,
1755
01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:40,515
we need to thrive, you know?
1756
01:18:40,515 --> 01:18:43,852
And that is only
going to come with,
1757
01:18:43,852 --> 01:18:45,787
with people, with allies,
1758
01:18:45,787 --> 01:18:49,324
with individuals
purposely stepping aside
1759
01:18:49,324 --> 01:18:51,159
or either stepping up and saying
1760
01:18:51,159 --> 01:18:53,195
we need to open these doors.
1761
01:18:53,195 --> 01:18:55,530
We need to change
these frameworks.
1762
01:18:55,530 --> 01:18:58,266
We need to deconstruct
these ideals
1763
01:18:58,266 --> 01:19:02,104
and our perceptions of
one another based on,
1764
01:19:03,105 --> 01:19:05,373
you know, these
socialized ideals
1765
01:19:05,373 --> 01:19:07,909
to see one person
above the other.
1766
01:19:07,909 --> 01:19:10,112
Because at the end of the
day, we all bleed the same.
1767
01:19:10,112 --> 01:19:12,848
At the end of the day, we
all live and we all die.
1768
01:19:12,848 --> 01:19:16,318
And all people ever
really want to do is just,
1769
01:19:16,318 --> 01:19:18,453
you want to know that
you can live in a place
1770
01:19:18,453 --> 01:19:19,821
where you feel free.
1771
01:19:21,223 --> 01:19:24,993
(soft dramatic orchestral music)
1772
01:19:39,875 --> 01:19:42,010
- [Paula] Given that things
are continuing to get worse,
1773
01:19:42,010 --> 01:19:44,980
I felt like we just couldn't
sit back and do nothing.
1774
01:19:44,980 --> 01:19:47,082
So, I wondered if we
could fight the system
1775
01:19:47,082 --> 01:19:50,952
of a lack of education and fear
by changing the conversation
1776
01:19:50,952 --> 01:19:53,822
the American way:
with advertising.
1777
01:19:53,822 --> 01:19:56,958
So, I approached Ad Age's
2019 Agency of the Year,
1778
01:19:56,958 --> 01:19:59,561
Mother, to ask them
why they thought birth
1779
01:19:59,561 --> 01:20:01,863
was so badly
branded in a country
1780
01:20:01,863 --> 01:20:03,932
where it was a
commercial enterprise.
1781
01:20:05,167 --> 01:20:08,937
As non-mothers, we feel like
they know a lot about the word.
1782
01:20:08,937 --> 01:20:10,572
What do you think about that?
1783
01:20:12,340 --> 01:20:14,176
(all laughing)
1784
01:20:14,176 --> 01:20:16,344
- When I was pregnant,
my mom said, I quote,
1785
01:20:16,344 --> 01:20:17,679
"They cut me from hole to hole."
1786
01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:19,247
- [Chanel] What?
1787
01:20:19,347 --> 01:20:21,283
- So, that was, like, made me
so excited about giving birth.
1788
01:20:21,283 --> 01:20:23,051
- I don't know if I want
to have kids or not,
1789
01:20:23,051 --> 01:20:24,886
but I was like, there's no way
1790
01:20:24,886 --> 01:20:27,088
I would survive a
birth like that.
1791
01:20:27,088 --> 01:20:28,990
And I didn't have that recently.
1792
01:20:28,990 --> 01:20:31,026
I had that thought
when I was younger.
1793
01:20:31,026 --> 01:20:32,460
I don't know where
that came from,
1794
01:20:32,460 --> 01:20:34,162
but I was like, "There's no way.
1795
01:20:34,162 --> 01:20:35,897
That looks crazy."
1796
01:20:35,897 --> 01:20:37,766
- How do we change
that conversation,
1797
01:20:37,766 --> 01:20:39,668
that every time
you speak about it,
1798
01:20:39,668 --> 01:20:41,336
doesn't mean I'm about
to become pregnant,
1799
01:20:41,336 --> 01:20:44,339
or something disgusting
is going to happen,
1800
01:20:44,339 --> 01:20:47,576
or men don't, suddenly, they
just like shrink, you know?
1801
01:20:47,576 --> 01:20:50,178
I'm like how do we change that?
1802
01:20:50,178 --> 01:20:53,715
How can we have a normal
dialogue about it as mothers,
1803
01:20:53,715 --> 01:20:56,985
non-mothers, as human
beings in society?
1804
01:20:56,985 --> 01:20:59,154
It's really hard to
advocate for mothers.
1805
01:20:59,154 --> 01:21:02,390
You know, it's hard to
get brands onboard for it
1806
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:03,825
because it's not exciting.
1807
01:21:04,693 --> 01:21:06,261
It doesn't feel contemporary.
1808
01:21:06,261 --> 01:21:07,929
They're like, "Mothers, you
guys have been around a while."
1809
01:21:07,929 --> 01:21:11,566
You know?
(all laughing)
1810
01:21:11,566 --> 01:21:12,734
You're not a new thing.
1811
01:21:12,734 --> 01:21:14,669
- [Chanel] They're
gonna go out of style.
1812
01:21:14,669 --> 01:21:16,171
- So, that's also
the big challenge,
1813
01:21:16,171 --> 01:21:18,073
how do we make this
feel fresh for people
1814
01:21:18,073 --> 01:21:20,909
and something that they
should be revisiting?
1815
01:21:20,909 --> 01:21:22,143
- Women should be entitled
1816
01:21:22,143 --> 01:21:24,112
to have whatever type
of birth they want,
1817
01:21:24,112 --> 01:21:26,681
but it's harder to kind of
know what those resources are
1818
01:21:26,681 --> 01:21:28,283
from the industry standpoint,
1819
01:21:28,283 --> 01:21:30,685
but also when the
cultural ecosystem
1820
01:21:30,685 --> 01:21:33,622
and narrative ecosystem
is so narrow minded
1821
01:21:33,622 --> 01:21:35,123
and scary for women.
1822
01:21:35,123 --> 01:21:38,026
And when you create
that cultural fear,
1823
01:21:38,026 --> 01:21:40,061
you're more likely to
just relinquish control.
1824
01:21:40,061 --> 01:21:41,363
You walk into the
hospital, you're like,
1825
01:21:41,363 --> 01:21:42,230
"Put me under.
1826
01:21:42,230 --> 01:21:43,765
Give me the epidural.
1827
01:21:43,765 --> 01:21:45,000
I don't care what you do,
1828
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:46,334
I just want this to be over."
1829
01:21:46,334 --> 01:21:48,703
Which, like, is not how
anyone, I don't know,
1830
01:21:48,703 --> 01:21:49,871
that's not what birth should be.
1831
01:21:49,871 --> 01:21:51,106
Birth is an amazing thing.
1832
01:21:51,106 --> 01:21:52,574
- We just put big
bold billboards of
1833
01:21:52,574 --> 01:21:53,875
"We have hope,"
1834
01:21:53,875 --> 01:21:55,210
and people are like,
"Is this a cult?"
1835
01:21:55,210 --> 01:21:57,345
(all laughing)
1836
01:21:57,345 --> 01:21:58,913
Like, "No. Pregnancy."
1837
01:21:58,913 --> 01:22:00,181
You have to have hope
for your children,
1838
01:22:00,181 --> 01:22:02,183
you have to have
hope for yourself.
1839
01:22:02,183 --> 01:22:05,720
You know, it's an act
of hope in itself,
1840
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,856
to bring another
person into the world.
1841
01:22:07,856 --> 01:22:10,191
- And to want to see them...
1842
01:22:10,191 --> 01:22:12,560
You know, I know for
me, doing this work,
1843
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,429
I want to see my children
be able to live in a world
1844
01:22:14,429 --> 01:22:18,066
where they are seen and
they can have hope, too.
1845
01:22:18,066 --> 01:22:20,135
They can have some kind
of foundation that,
1846
01:22:21,369 --> 01:22:23,371
yeah, sees the humanity.
1847
01:22:23,371 --> 01:22:25,874
Where we see the humanity
in each other, right?
1848
01:22:25,874 --> 01:22:28,910
And it just resonates
in such a way where,
1849
01:22:30,245 --> 01:22:31,980
I don't know, maybe I'm
being idealistic and utopic,
1850
01:22:31,980 --> 01:22:36,117
but, you know, that
just can bring pure joy
1851
01:22:36,117 --> 01:22:38,420
to someone's life on
a consistent basis.
1852
01:22:38,420 --> 01:22:40,021
Because when you look
in children's eyes
1853
01:22:40,021 --> 01:22:44,726
and you see the level of just
purity that comes across,
1854
01:22:46,361 --> 01:22:49,064
it's like why wouldn't
you treat the vessel
1855
01:22:49,064 --> 01:22:52,400
that produced that
with the same level of,
1856
01:22:54,836 --> 01:22:57,305
of sanctity that it deserves?
1857
01:22:57,305 --> 01:23:00,742
If you can see how
joyful children are,
1858
01:23:00,742 --> 01:23:05,580
and it's that sheer, like,
pure, unconditional love,
1859
01:23:05,580 --> 01:23:07,349
why wouldn't you want the person
1860
01:23:07,349 --> 01:23:10,118
that is going to be carrying
that to have that same thing?
1861
01:23:12,787 --> 01:23:16,057
(gentle orchestral music)
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