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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,234 --> 00:00:04,504 (logo whooshes) (gentle orchestral music) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:19,552 --> 00:00:21,721 (soft music) 5 00:00:33,967 --> 00:00:38,271 (interviewees chattering indistinctly) 6 00:00:41,007 --> 00:00:42,142 - The pain obviously, 7 00:00:42,142 --> 00:00:44,177 and that's like my fear about giving birth 8 00:00:44,177 --> 00:00:45,779 that it's gonna hurt really bad. 9 00:00:45,779 --> 00:00:47,280 - The whole pain thing. 10 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,382 I mean, when people see documentaries about giving birth, 11 00:00:49,382 --> 00:00:51,084 they see the screaming and the crying 12 00:00:51,084 --> 00:00:52,285 and the sweating. 13 00:00:52,285 --> 00:00:54,120 Yeah, I personally am scared of giving birth. 14 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,956 - I think Americans and women have really internalized 15 00:00:56,956 --> 00:00:59,826 that birth needs to be medicalized 16 00:00:59,826 --> 00:01:00,894 and you have to have an epidural 17 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:02,929 and you're not supposed to experience pain. 18 00:01:02,929 --> 00:01:06,633 - Nine months, I hate throwing up, the morning sickness, 19 00:01:06,633 --> 00:01:07,867 carrying something in your body 20 00:01:07,867 --> 00:01:09,202 is terrifying to me. 21 00:01:09,202 --> 00:01:10,537 - The idea of giving birth, 22 00:01:10,537 --> 00:01:12,338 it just seems like all the images 23 00:01:12,338 --> 00:01:14,441 I have in my head of women giving birth 24 00:01:14,441 --> 00:01:16,810 are of them like screaming 25 00:01:16,810 --> 00:01:20,413 and like their faces were really red and the sweating, 26 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:22,315 and then the husband faints and then they're, like, 27 00:01:22,315 --> 00:01:23,650 "Oh, first time dad." 28 00:01:23,650 --> 00:01:25,518 Like all those movie things that happen. 29 00:01:25,518 --> 00:01:29,189 - At this point, we've internalized that ideology 30 00:01:29,189 --> 00:01:30,690 over and over again. 31 00:01:30,690 --> 00:01:33,393 It's now embedded in so many women 32 00:01:33,393 --> 00:01:37,897 to think that birth is something that needs to be treated 33 00:01:37,897 --> 00:01:41,100 rather than is an experience or is a natural thing. 34 00:01:42,035 --> 00:01:42,936 (woman screaming) 35 00:01:42,936 --> 00:01:43,770 - God, this hurts. 36 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:45,238 Pain! Pain! 37 00:01:45,238 --> 00:01:47,640 (woman groaning) 38 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:48,541 (woman screaming) 39 00:01:48,541 --> 00:01:50,210 - Sorry, I can't. - Yes you can. 40 00:01:50,210 --> 00:01:51,144 - I can't. - Hey. 41 00:01:51,144 --> 00:01:53,279 (woman screaming) 42 00:01:53,279 --> 00:01:54,747 - I just can't do it! 43 00:01:54,747 --> 00:01:56,282 - [Nurse] You'll hurt the baby right now. 44 00:01:56,282 --> 00:01:57,917 - Oh, I hurt. I hurt. 45 00:01:57,917 --> 00:02:00,587 (women screaming) 46 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:03,523 - Oh, oh! 47 00:02:05,225 --> 00:02:06,926 (women screaming) 48 00:02:06,926 --> 00:02:08,294 - No, I can't, I can't do it! 49 00:02:08,294 --> 00:02:11,831 - [Husband] I need you to do it. You can do it. 50 00:02:11,831 --> 00:02:14,767 (soft rhythmic music) 51 00:02:27,647 --> 00:02:29,682 - [Paula] My name is Paula James-Martinez. 52 00:02:30,884 --> 00:02:33,119 I'd recently moved to New York City 53 00:02:33,119 --> 00:02:34,754 because a giant dotcom had asked me 54 00:02:34,754 --> 00:02:37,457 to be in charge of all things fashionable. 55 00:02:37,457 --> 00:02:39,259 So, like every career-minded woman, 56 00:02:39,259 --> 00:02:41,928 I fell in love and moved to California. 57 00:02:43,329 --> 00:02:45,198 (soft upbeat music) 58 00:02:45,198 --> 00:02:46,666 And I can remember thinking, 59 00:02:47,967 --> 00:02:51,604 it had never been a better time to be a woman in America. 60 00:02:51,604 --> 00:02:55,041 ♪ I am woman, hear me roar 61 00:02:55,041 --> 00:02:57,844 - [Paula] Companies were taking real action on equal pay. 62 00:03:00,613 --> 00:03:03,716 Sexual harassment was finally being taken seriously. 63 00:03:05,952 --> 00:03:07,420 Beyonce had "Lemonade." 64 00:03:09,889 --> 00:03:13,193 And we were about to get our first female president. 65 00:03:15,428 --> 00:03:18,464 When I had a really bad feeling... 66 00:03:18,464 --> 00:03:19,299 (brakes screeching) 67 00:03:19,299 --> 00:03:20,567 Oh, ----. 68 00:03:22,035 --> 00:03:22,802 (toilet flushes) 69 00:03:22,802 --> 00:03:24,304 I was pregnant. 70 00:03:24,304 --> 00:03:26,606 So, I googled like my life depended on it. 71 00:03:28,074 --> 00:03:29,809 And apparently, it did. 72 00:03:29,809 --> 00:03:33,012 Mothers in this country are routinely dying. 73 00:03:33,012 --> 00:03:36,416 - Can it possibly be true that women giving birth 74 00:03:36,416 --> 00:03:38,985 in our country are more at risk 75 00:03:38,985 --> 00:03:42,288 than women in dozens of other nations around the world? 76 00:03:42,288 --> 00:03:43,590 Afraid so. 77 00:03:43,590 --> 00:03:45,058 - A new investigation claims the United States 78 00:03:45,058 --> 00:03:47,093 is the most dangerous place to give birth 79 00:03:47,093 --> 00:03:48,561 in the developed world. 80 00:03:48,561 --> 00:03:51,064 Every year in the US, more than 50,000 mothers 81 00:03:51,064 --> 00:03:53,733 are severely injured during or after childbirth. 82 00:03:55,068 --> 00:03:58,271 - [Paula] Yet, in the wake of so many tragic stories, 83 00:03:58,271 --> 00:04:00,306 I had a great birth. 84 00:04:00,306 --> 00:04:01,808 That's me in labor, 85 00:04:01,808 --> 00:04:03,910 and that's about as dramatic as it got. 86 00:04:04,744 --> 00:04:06,479 But I couldn't help thinking, 87 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:08,648 "Why was I such a unicorn?" 88 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:13,553 What had gone right for me, I wondered. 89 00:04:13,553 --> 00:04:17,156 Was it because I'd had a midwife, which is unusual, 90 00:04:17,156 --> 00:04:18,658 but it seemed very normal to me. 91 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:22,528 In case you hadn't noticed yet, 92 00:04:22,528 --> 00:04:25,031 although my daughter was born here in the US, 93 00:04:25,031 --> 00:04:26,766 I was born in the UK, 94 00:04:26,766 --> 00:04:29,502 and delivered by National Health Service midwives. 95 00:04:31,337 --> 00:04:32,872 I know, you guys are thinking this. 96 00:04:32,872 --> 00:04:34,841 - [Nun] Camilla Fortescue- Cholmondeley-Browne? 97 00:04:34,841 --> 00:04:35,908 - Yes. 98 00:04:35,908 --> 00:04:36,609 - [Paula] But a modern British midwife 99 00:04:36,609 --> 00:04:38,611 does much more of this. 100 00:04:38,611 --> 00:04:41,314 ♪ Ah 101 00:04:41,314 --> 00:04:45,051 ♪ Ah, push it 102 00:04:45,051 --> 00:04:47,754 ♪ Ah, push it 103 00:04:47,754 --> 00:04:49,088 ♪ Push it good 104 00:04:49,088 --> 00:04:50,690 - [Paula] In fact, in Great Britain, France, Germany, 105 00:04:50,690 --> 00:04:54,193 Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland, 106 00:04:54,193 --> 00:04:58,298 over 75% of all babies are delivered by midwives. 107 00:04:58,298 --> 00:05:00,466 And unlike the United States, 108 00:05:00,466 --> 00:05:01,701 none of these countries 109 00:05:01,701 --> 00:05:03,836 have a rising maternal mortality rate. 110 00:05:05,938 --> 00:05:09,409 Birth in the UK is actually so safe that the baby's father 111 00:05:09,409 --> 00:05:11,044 is statistically more likely to die 112 00:05:11,044 --> 00:05:13,746 during his partner's pregnancy and birth. 113 00:05:13,746 --> 00:05:16,716 And British babies are 70% more likely 114 00:05:16,716 --> 00:05:18,951 to survive the experience than in the US. 115 00:05:22,055 --> 00:05:24,657 So, why was it when I told many of my American friends 116 00:05:24,657 --> 00:05:26,759 that I was having a midwife birth, 117 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:28,327 did they look at me like I'd suggested 118 00:05:28,327 --> 00:05:29,829 some sort of witchcraft? 119 00:05:31,097 --> 00:05:34,567 (gentle acoustic music) 120 00:05:34,567 --> 00:05:37,737 - Our history with midwives is complicated. 121 00:05:37,737 --> 00:05:40,473 In the 1930s, as hospitals were sort of 122 00:05:40,473 --> 00:05:43,643 becoming more popularized and springing up 123 00:05:43,643 --> 00:05:45,111 all across the country, 124 00:05:45,111 --> 00:05:49,315 and obstetrics as a specialty in medicine 125 00:05:49,315 --> 00:05:50,783 was starting to grow, 126 00:05:50,783 --> 00:05:53,720 and hospitals became teaching hospitals 127 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,255 and, you know, suddenly, there was a shift away 128 00:05:56,255 --> 00:05:58,591 from home births and midwives. 129 00:05:58,591 --> 00:06:00,460 And it was almost like, you know, 130 00:06:00,460 --> 00:06:03,029 let's create a new territory, and in order to do that, 131 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:04,831 we have to kind of get rid of the old. 132 00:06:04,831 --> 00:06:07,333 And that was probably a very simplistic way of doing it, 133 00:06:07,333 --> 00:06:09,369 but that's essentially what happened. 134 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:11,471 It's not in our popular culture anymore. 135 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:15,608 - You don't even know that it exists. 136 00:06:15,608 --> 00:06:16,743 When I talk to people, they say like, 137 00:06:16,743 --> 00:06:18,277 "Oh, people still do that?" 138 00:06:18,277 --> 00:06:20,379 And I'm like, yes, you don't have 139 00:06:20,379 --> 00:06:21,748 to have your birth in a hospital. 140 00:06:21,748 --> 00:06:22,949 You can actually have it in your home 141 00:06:22,949 --> 00:06:26,152 or in a birthing center, however you want, 142 00:06:26,152 --> 00:06:26,886 and it's your choice. 143 00:06:26,886 --> 00:06:28,588 Knowing that it's a choice. 144 00:06:28,588 --> 00:06:30,256 Like, people don't know that they have choice 145 00:06:30,256 --> 00:06:31,657 in how they birth, right? 146 00:06:32,625 --> 00:06:36,562 (gentle acoustic music continues) 147 00:06:36,562 --> 00:06:37,930 - I knew always that I wanted 148 00:06:37,930 --> 00:06:40,533 to at least try for a natural birth. 149 00:06:40,533 --> 00:06:41,667 It just made sense to me. 150 00:06:42,535 --> 00:06:44,170 Why would I not try? 151 00:06:44,170 --> 00:06:45,705 And I also knew enough 152 00:06:45,705 --> 00:06:46,939 that when you go into a hospital, 153 00:06:46,939 --> 00:06:48,975 that it's not going to necessarily, 154 00:06:48,975 --> 00:06:51,611 it's going to be harder to go that way 155 00:06:51,611 --> 00:06:53,279 if you're in that setting. 156 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,982 That just like, that's what hospitals are created for, 157 00:06:55,982 --> 00:06:57,917 that's what doctors are trained to do, 158 00:06:57,917 --> 00:07:01,788 is to intervene and to operate. 159 00:07:01,788 --> 00:07:04,457 To me, it always felt like if I don't want that, 160 00:07:04,457 --> 00:07:06,526 then I should stay away, 161 00:07:06,526 --> 00:07:07,660 and I think there are more and more women 162 00:07:07,660 --> 00:07:08,828 that feel that way. 163 00:07:10,830 --> 00:07:14,534 (melancholy acoustic music) 164 00:07:15,568 --> 00:07:18,504 ♪ She's a good girl 165 00:07:18,504 --> 00:07:21,174 ♪ Loves her mama 166 00:07:21,174 --> 00:07:22,742 ♪ Loves Jesus 167 00:07:22,742 --> 00:07:24,444 - [Paula] Kimberly Turbin lives just 30 miles 168 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:25,878 away from me in Reseda, 169 00:07:27,180 --> 00:07:29,682 yet her birth story is a million miles away from mine. 170 00:07:32,919 --> 00:07:35,421 It was one of the most disturbing stories I heard 171 00:07:35,421 --> 00:07:37,123 when I was researching this project. 172 00:07:41,127 --> 00:07:43,229 But not just that, 173 00:07:43,229 --> 00:07:44,964 it was also one of the bravest. 174 00:07:46,432 --> 00:07:48,901 ♪ Living in Reseda 175 00:07:48,901 --> 00:07:53,306 ♪ There's a freeway running through their yard ♪ 176 00:07:53,306 --> 00:07:56,108 - Rape and having sex when you don't want to, 177 00:07:56,108 --> 00:07:59,579 all that doesn't compare to, I think, what he did. 178 00:07:59,579 --> 00:08:03,549 He basically changed my decision making 179 00:08:03,549 --> 00:08:06,485 for me, my body, and my vagina for the rest of my life. 180 00:08:07,587 --> 00:08:10,756 Like, now I have muscle spasms issues, 181 00:08:10,756 --> 00:08:14,760 I have vulvodynia, which is just vulva pain. 182 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,830 ♪ And all the bad boys 183 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:20,433 ♪ Are standing in the shadows 184 00:08:20,433 --> 00:08:24,036 ♪ And the good girls are home 185 00:08:24,036 --> 00:08:28,774 - I was fine until I let them know that I had PTSD 186 00:08:29,909 --> 00:08:31,410 and that I had been raped in the past. 187 00:08:31,410 --> 00:08:34,313 And I think that the feeling was starting to creep up on me, 188 00:08:34,313 --> 00:08:36,749 so if they could give me something to calm down. 189 00:08:38,251 --> 00:08:41,988 Doctor came in and it's not going fast enough. 190 00:08:41,988 --> 00:08:44,757 He said, "We're going to have to do an episiotomy." 191 00:08:44,757 --> 00:08:46,726 And I'm like, "No. Why? 192 00:08:46,726 --> 00:08:48,494 We haven't even tried." 193 00:08:48,494 --> 00:08:52,064 It was only 5:00 PM and right now it's only maybe 11 or 12. 194 00:08:52,064 --> 00:08:53,900 And I'm like, "I haven't even started pushing yet. 195 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:55,334 This can't be right." 196 00:08:55,334 --> 00:08:59,205 Basically, he said, you know, how dare I question him? 197 00:08:59,205 --> 00:09:02,708 He's the expert here in the room and this is what I need. 198 00:09:02,708 --> 00:09:05,211 And the nurse is like, "It's just going to be a little cut." 199 00:09:05,211 --> 00:09:08,214 And I was like, "No, I don't want you to cut me. No." 200 00:09:09,849 --> 00:09:11,751 - [Nurse] Keep going, keep going, go, go, go, go, go. 201 00:09:11,751 --> 00:09:13,386 - [Kimberly] No, don't cut me. 202 00:09:13,386 --> 00:09:14,887 No, why? 203 00:09:14,887 --> 00:09:16,055 - [Doctor] What do you mean why? That's my reason. 204 00:09:16,055 --> 00:09:17,490 - [Kimberly] Why can't we try? 205 00:09:17,490 --> 00:09:19,926 I get one contraction and I'm not saying anything, 206 00:09:19,926 --> 00:09:22,628 and I breathe out and he just starts cutting. 207 00:09:22,628 --> 00:09:23,829 - [Nurse] Push, push, push. 208 00:09:23,829 --> 00:09:24,964 Keep pushing, keep pushing, keep pushing. 209 00:09:24,964 --> 00:09:27,767 Go, go, go, go, good job. Good job. 210 00:09:27,767 --> 00:09:30,603 Keep pushing. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. 211 00:09:30,603 --> 00:09:31,938 Okay, and relax. 212 00:09:33,105 --> 00:09:34,974 - I couldn't even, like, really cry 213 00:09:34,974 --> 00:09:38,010 or get happy over my baby being here, 214 00:09:38,010 --> 00:09:41,180 and he basically snatched that whole moment away from me. 215 00:09:42,281 --> 00:09:43,683 I don't think they believe our pain. 216 00:09:43,683 --> 00:09:45,151 Like, after I gave birth, 217 00:09:45,151 --> 00:09:47,520 I asked Dr. Abbassi for pain medication 218 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,089 and he told me, "No." (scoffs) 219 00:09:50,923 --> 00:09:52,291 And this is that I couldn't sit. 220 00:09:52,291 --> 00:09:56,162 It was like, like someone ripped me open 221 00:09:56,162 --> 00:09:57,330 and then they sewed it back up. 222 00:09:57,330 --> 00:09:58,898 But you can't even go to the bathroom 223 00:09:58,898 --> 00:10:00,099 after that comfortably. 224 00:10:02,768 --> 00:10:06,105 I was able to catch full blown on video 225 00:10:06,105 --> 00:10:08,607 how these doctors sometimes are acting towards us 226 00:10:08,607 --> 00:10:10,142 and what they do to our bodies, 227 00:10:10,142 --> 00:10:12,011 while we're sitting there saying, "No, don't do it." 228 00:10:12,011 --> 00:10:14,246 - [Crowd] Stop the violence! Stop the rape! 229 00:10:14,246 --> 00:10:17,216 - What made me take it further was after I had Rio, 230 00:10:17,216 --> 00:10:20,853 everybody was like, "Well, you know, "it's normal. 231 00:10:20,853 --> 00:10:22,388 Sometimes they cut. 232 00:10:22,388 --> 00:10:25,424 That's what they decided to do and, you know, get over it." 233 00:10:25,424 --> 00:10:26,592 But I was like, "But how?" 234 00:10:26,592 --> 00:10:29,662 I can't even sit down without being in pain. 235 00:10:29,662 --> 00:10:32,031 Six months, I was walking slow, 236 00:10:32,031 --> 00:10:34,233 I had to change my whole diet, all fiber, 237 00:10:34,233 --> 00:10:36,936 I had to retrain my vagina how to work, 238 00:10:36,936 --> 00:10:40,106 just to have a functioning vagina at 31. 239 00:10:40,106 --> 00:10:43,309 That's a huge part of my body that I have 240 00:10:43,309 --> 00:10:47,413 that somebody took my control over. 241 00:10:47,413 --> 00:10:51,784 If I ever find somebody I love or want to marry 242 00:10:51,784 --> 00:10:53,519 or make a life with, 243 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:56,355 I have to explain that I have these ------ issues 244 00:10:56,355 --> 00:11:00,026 with my vagina and I may not ever 245 00:11:00,026 --> 00:11:01,293 want to have a baby again. 246 00:11:02,361 --> 00:11:05,131 (people chattering) 247 00:11:07,299 --> 00:11:09,502 - I don't know how anyone could watch that video 248 00:11:09,502 --> 00:11:14,173 and not be moved and appalled by this woman lying there 249 00:11:17,543 --> 00:11:20,479 in the most submissive position possible, 250 00:11:20,479 --> 00:11:25,251 with a doctor wielding scissors at her genitals, 251 00:11:26,018 --> 00:11:27,353 and her begging not to be cut, 252 00:11:28,587 --> 00:11:33,426 and him berating her and demoralizing her 253 00:11:34,026 --> 00:11:36,162 and insulting her 254 00:11:36,162 --> 00:11:39,965 and then proceeding to cut her punitively 12 times. 255 00:11:41,033 --> 00:11:43,102 And it's all caught on tape 256 00:11:43,102 --> 00:11:46,839 and it took us 80 lawyers to find one 257 00:11:46,839 --> 00:11:48,340 that thought they could win. 258 00:11:51,277 --> 00:11:54,680 - It's like a whole machine that works together. 259 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:59,185 They decide your fate before you even wake up that day. 260 00:12:00,519 --> 00:12:04,857 And a lot of these cases is, but is the baby okay? 261 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:07,493 There's no is the mom okay? 262 00:12:11,464 --> 00:12:13,999 - What stands out a lot for me is, 263 00:12:13,999 --> 00:12:15,601 and it's happened a few times, 264 00:12:15,601 --> 00:12:18,904 is the doctor not making eye contact with the mom. 265 00:12:18,904 --> 00:12:20,439 Like, entering the room, 266 00:12:20,439 --> 00:12:22,007 not going up to the mother's side, 267 00:12:22,007 --> 00:12:23,976 not asking her how she's doing, 268 00:12:23,976 --> 00:12:26,212 not asking her what she needs, what she wants. 269 00:12:26,212 --> 00:12:28,047 Getting straight down to business 270 00:12:28,047 --> 00:12:31,217 without any interaction at all. 271 00:12:31,217 --> 00:12:34,687 Having women being told to be quiet 272 00:12:34,687 --> 00:12:36,789 when asking for what they want. 273 00:12:36,789 --> 00:12:39,191 - This one particular person, 274 00:12:39,191 --> 00:12:41,260 who we're now really close friends, 275 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:43,028 I was there for both of her children 276 00:12:43,028 --> 00:12:45,998 and one started out as a home birth 277 00:12:45,998 --> 00:12:47,800 and we had to end up transferring. 278 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,702 The doctor introduces herself 279 00:12:49,702 --> 00:12:50,703 and the first thing she says is, 280 00:12:50,803 --> 00:12:52,471 "Oh, you're so lucky because I'm the only one 281 00:12:52,471 --> 00:12:53,939 on the floor who uses forceps." 282 00:12:53,939 --> 00:12:56,909 And I was like, "What kind of introduction is that?" 283 00:12:56,909 --> 00:12:58,410 Like, that's how you introduce yourself? 284 00:12:58,410 --> 00:13:01,147 Not "Hi, my name is so and so, this is my name." 285 00:13:01,147 --> 00:13:03,582 It's, "No, hey, you're so privileged 286 00:13:03,582 --> 00:13:05,618 because I'm the only one who use forceps." 287 00:13:05,618 --> 00:13:07,553 And I was like, "Are you insane?" 288 00:13:07,553 --> 00:13:10,189 (dramatic music) 289 00:13:13,893 --> 00:13:16,362 - [Paula] Why don't we know about our choices? 290 00:13:16,362 --> 00:13:18,831 And where did all the American midwives go? 291 00:13:20,599 --> 00:13:23,335 We have to go back to the early 1970s. 292 00:13:23,335 --> 00:13:26,005 ♪ I am woman, hear me roar 293 00:13:26,005 --> 00:13:27,873 ♪ In numbers too big to ignore 294 00:13:27,873 --> 00:13:29,575 - [Paula] It had never been a better time 295 00:13:29,575 --> 00:13:31,177 to be a woman in America. 296 00:13:32,545 --> 00:13:35,147 Companies were taking real action on equal pay. 297 00:13:36,415 --> 00:13:39,818 Sexual harassment was finally being taken seriously. 298 00:13:39,818 --> 00:13:42,621 Joni had Blue, and... 299 00:13:42,621 --> 00:13:44,990 - [Pamela] At the time, the Vietnam War was happening. 300 00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:47,159 (bomb exploding) 301 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:50,062 (sirens wailing) 302 00:13:50,362 --> 00:13:52,398 - We were pacifists, we believed that people 303 00:13:52,398 --> 00:13:55,067 could work out their differences 304 00:13:55,067 --> 00:13:56,702 by talking with each other 305 00:13:56,702 --> 00:13:59,471 and being compassionate with each other. 306 00:13:59,471 --> 00:14:00,406 - [Paula] That's Pamela. 307 00:14:00,406 --> 00:14:01,674 She'd never admit it, 308 00:14:01,674 --> 00:14:03,909 but she's a bit of an American folk hero. 309 00:14:03,909 --> 00:14:06,145 As a college student moved by the message 310 00:14:06,145 --> 00:14:07,613 of peaceful resolution, 311 00:14:07,613 --> 00:14:10,216 she set off across the country in a caravan 312 00:14:10,216 --> 00:14:12,284 of pastoral buses with her husband 313 00:14:12,284 --> 00:14:14,720 to spread the word of peace and love 314 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,789 when the country was facing a lot of hate. 315 00:14:18,090 --> 00:14:20,526 - What you put your energy into, you get more of. 316 00:14:20,526 --> 00:14:24,096 So, if we put our energy into peaceful resolutions, 317 00:14:24,096 --> 00:14:25,431 then we get more of that. 318 00:14:26,532 --> 00:14:28,033 - [Paula] Eventually, the caravan of buses 319 00:14:28,033 --> 00:14:30,703 settled in rural Tennessee to found what would become 320 00:14:30,703 --> 00:14:33,706 one of America's largest communes, The Farm, 321 00:14:33,706 --> 00:14:35,407 where Pamela would become one of the world's 322 00:14:35,407 --> 00:14:37,643 most famous midwives. 323 00:14:37,643 --> 00:14:40,679 So, I set off to Tennessee to find out why midwives 324 00:14:40,679 --> 00:14:43,148 are a counterculture movement in the US. 325 00:14:45,417 --> 00:14:48,287 (soft rock music) 326 00:14:59,765 --> 00:15:01,967 - We didn't call ourselves midwives. 327 00:15:01,967 --> 00:15:03,068 We weren't midwives. 328 00:15:03,068 --> 00:15:05,471 I had a major in art, 329 00:15:05,471 --> 00:15:08,374 but we had a belief that birth would work. 330 00:15:12,878 --> 00:15:14,513 - Mind and body are one. 331 00:15:14,513 --> 00:15:18,217 How the woman's mental attitude is during the birth 332 00:15:18,217 --> 00:15:19,585 is going to make a huge difference 333 00:15:19,585 --> 00:15:21,520 on how it goes physically. 334 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,289 And that's part of spiritual midwifery, 335 00:15:23,289 --> 00:15:25,057 you want to nurture these women, 336 00:15:25,057 --> 00:15:26,458 these babies, these families. 337 00:15:26,458 --> 00:15:29,561 You got to kind of give your heart and soul to them really. 338 00:15:30,663 --> 00:15:32,164 - [Paula] Joanne is also one of the early members 339 00:15:32,164 --> 00:15:35,200 of The Farm, and an OG spiritual midwife, 340 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,337 who, after seeing not just how the system had treated her, 341 00:15:38,337 --> 00:15:41,640 but other women, knew it was time to fight for a better way. 342 00:15:44,810 --> 00:15:46,679 Spiritual midwifery, in essence, 343 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:47,880 is the practice of caring 344 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,015 and listening to women during birth, 345 00:15:50,015 --> 00:15:52,151 and also the title of one of a series of books 346 00:15:52,151 --> 00:15:54,820 written by founding midwife, Ina May Gaskin. 347 00:15:56,088 --> 00:15:58,223 These books have introduced an entire generation 348 00:15:58,223 --> 00:16:01,827 to the possibility of peaceful, unmedicated birth. 349 00:16:01,827 --> 00:16:04,730 Having sold over a million copies worldwide, 350 00:16:04,730 --> 00:16:07,766 the book from a commune has something of a cult status. 351 00:16:09,301 --> 00:16:12,471 But why now do generation after generation of mothers 352 00:16:12,471 --> 00:16:14,273 continue to press their dog-eared copies 353 00:16:14,273 --> 00:16:15,641 into each other's hands? 354 00:16:19,745 --> 00:16:22,047 - [Doctor] All right. Let's do this, let's do this. 355 00:16:22,047 --> 00:16:23,382 Let's do this. 356 00:16:23,382 --> 00:16:25,084 Let's do this. 357 00:16:25,084 --> 00:16:28,854 - In 1965, pretty much the standard of care, 358 00:16:28,854 --> 00:16:32,725 when you first hit the hospital, you got a shot of Demerol. 359 00:16:32,725 --> 00:16:34,293 Demerol is a pain reliever. 360 00:16:34,293 --> 00:16:37,563 You got a shot of scopolamine, dries up your secretions. 361 00:16:41,033 --> 00:16:42,968 You had your enema and your prep, 362 00:16:42,968 --> 00:16:46,438 which included shaving your vaginal area. 363 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:50,342 - The nurses would call it pit, stick, suck and split. 364 00:16:50,342 --> 00:16:52,845 Pitocin, an epidural stick, 365 00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:55,080 suck the baby out with a vacuum extractor, 366 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,548 and bye, you know? 367 00:16:56,548 --> 00:16:58,217 As quick as possible. 368 00:16:58,217 --> 00:16:59,451 (baby crying) 369 00:16:59,451 --> 00:17:01,687 - [Paula] Carol's story is really disturbing, 370 00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:03,922 but unfortunately, not unusual for the time. 371 00:17:05,190 --> 00:17:08,293 - I ended up having an allergic reaction to the Demerol. 372 00:17:08,293 --> 00:17:11,997 Not only throwing up, but instead of it making me relax, 373 00:17:11,997 --> 00:17:13,465 it made me tense. 374 00:17:17,736 --> 00:17:19,838 At that time, when you got fully dilated, 375 00:17:19,838 --> 00:17:22,174 they would bring you back to the delivery room 376 00:17:22,174 --> 00:17:26,712 and they would give you more drugs, more anesthesia, 377 00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:28,013 and put you to sleep. 378 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,288 - [Paula] And it wasn't just bad for mothers. 379 00:17:36,288 --> 00:17:39,525 Studies also found behavioral and motor issues in babies 380 00:17:39,525 --> 00:17:44,029 whose mothers had received anesthesia, including Demerol. 381 00:17:44,029 --> 00:17:46,965 - And then, the doctor did a huge episiotomy 382 00:17:46,965 --> 00:17:48,901 and took the baby with forceps. 383 00:17:50,502 --> 00:17:53,138 - [Paula] Now, I'm only going to explain episiotomy once 384 00:17:53,138 --> 00:17:55,507 because it makes even me feel weird. 385 00:17:56,375 --> 00:17:57,843 But it's basically when a doctor 386 00:17:57,843 --> 00:18:00,813 cuts you with scissors down there, to make, um, 387 00:18:00,813 --> 00:18:03,916 the opening larger and get the baby out faster. 388 00:18:05,117 --> 00:18:07,753 - After the birth, they put me in recovery 389 00:18:07,753 --> 00:18:10,155 and just left me alone, flat on my back, 390 00:18:10,155 --> 00:18:13,659 and I ended up throwing up and aspirating. 391 00:18:13,659 --> 00:18:16,728 Luckily, one of the nurses came back in 392 00:18:16,728 --> 00:18:19,131 as I had stopped breathing. 393 00:18:19,131 --> 00:18:22,000 So, that was a horrific experience. 394 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,236 I really didn't know that that wasn't 395 00:18:24,236 --> 00:18:25,571 what everybody went through. 396 00:18:25,671 --> 00:18:29,141 You know, I wasn't educated enough to know the difference. 397 00:18:30,142 --> 00:18:31,710 - [Paula] The difference was, though, 398 00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:33,512 these were women looking for solutions 399 00:18:33,512 --> 00:18:36,548 to stick it to the man and take back control. 400 00:18:36,548 --> 00:18:39,451 There was a movement among women's groups in the '70s 401 00:18:39,451 --> 00:18:42,488 developed to deinstitutionalize the dependent. 402 00:18:42,488 --> 00:18:45,624 Feminists argued that childbirth was not a disease 403 00:18:45,624 --> 00:18:48,660 and that childbirth did not require hospitalization 404 00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:50,162 or the supervision of an OB. 405 00:18:51,697 --> 00:18:54,867 - How did I get into midwifery, really? 406 00:18:54,867 --> 00:18:57,069 Self-preservation. (chuckles) 407 00:18:57,069 --> 00:19:01,273 I had my first baby in 1967 408 00:19:01,273 --> 00:19:05,244 and the only real childbirth training I'd had, 409 00:19:05,244 --> 00:19:08,013 as far as seeing a birth was "Wagon Train." 410 00:19:08,013 --> 00:19:11,450 (dramatic orchestral music) 411 00:19:12,618 --> 00:19:14,653 Once in a while, the Conestoga wagons on the trail 412 00:19:14,653 --> 00:19:17,389 would pull over and film from the outside of the canvas. 413 00:19:17,389 --> 00:19:20,192 You would hear a woman scream, a baby cry 414 00:19:20,192 --> 00:19:22,094 and the wagons would roll on. 415 00:19:22,094 --> 00:19:24,897 So, I thought, okay, you scream and the baby comes out. 416 00:19:24,897 --> 00:19:26,665 I remembered one of the nurses saying, 417 00:19:26,665 --> 00:19:28,200 "Just think about your breathing." 418 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,334 I said, "Well, how do you breathe?" 419 00:19:29,334 --> 00:19:31,603 And she said, "Just think about your breath 420 00:19:31,603 --> 00:19:33,639 going in and out." 421 00:19:33,639 --> 00:19:35,874 And I tried it, pain cut in half, 422 00:19:35,874 --> 00:19:38,377 and I was like wow, heavy magic, you know? 423 00:19:40,078 --> 00:19:42,748 And then, it was just too strong, 424 00:19:42,748 --> 00:19:44,149 I thought, "I can't do this anymore." 425 00:19:44,149 --> 00:19:46,718 And it stopped. No more contractions. 426 00:19:46,718 --> 00:19:48,053 And I'm sitting there going, 427 00:19:48,053 --> 00:19:50,856 somehow I'm not understanding how intellectually, 428 00:19:50,856 --> 00:19:52,357 how to get this baby out, 429 00:19:52,357 --> 00:19:56,028 but my bod has gotten pregnant, grown this baby, 430 00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:57,696 well on the way to having this baby. 431 00:19:57,696 --> 00:19:59,198 I've just got to trust my body 432 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:00,832 that it's going to get me out of this. 433 00:20:00,832 --> 00:20:03,201 And as soon as I thought that, they came back. 434 00:20:03,201 --> 00:20:05,604 And pretty soon, I had to push. 435 00:20:06,238 --> 00:20:08,240 - In those days, they bring you to an OR room, 436 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,008 which must have been about 45 degrees. 437 00:20:10,008 --> 00:20:11,810 Everybody has layers of clothes, 438 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:12,978 and they're all yelling at me, 439 00:20:12,978 --> 00:20:16,081 "Don't push because the doctor's not there." 440 00:20:16,081 --> 00:20:17,816 Right after I'd made this deal with myself 441 00:20:17,816 --> 00:20:19,251 to listen to my body. 442 00:20:19,251 --> 00:20:22,454 So, I'm going, "Ah, okay, I'll be a good girl." 443 00:20:22,454 --> 00:20:23,355 I don't push. 444 00:20:26,191 --> 00:20:29,127 He finally shows up about 15 minutes later, 445 00:20:29,127 --> 00:20:31,730 cuts a huge mediolateral episiotomy 446 00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:33,966 for a 6 pound, 14 ounce little girl 447 00:20:33,966 --> 00:20:36,101 I should've had 15 minutes ago with the nurses. 448 00:20:37,603 --> 00:20:38,737 I couldn't sit down for a month. 449 00:20:38,737 --> 00:20:41,506 I had to take a pillow with me everywhere. 450 00:20:41,506 --> 00:20:45,444 I thought there has to be a better way than this, you know? 451 00:20:45,444 --> 00:20:48,013 So, when I got pregnant with my second, 452 00:20:49,414 --> 00:20:52,284 first midwife I ever met was a guy named Bob. (laughs) 453 00:20:52,284 --> 00:20:54,386 And he asked how my other birth had gone, 454 00:20:54,386 --> 00:20:56,455 and he said, "Oh, you can do it at home." 455 00:20:56,455 --> 00:20:58,357 And I said, "Well, don't you need to cut an episiotomy?" 456 00:20:58,357 --> 00:21:00,659 And he said, "No, no, just don't push hard." 457 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,997 On 4th of July, we were going over to Sutro Park 458 00:21:04,997 --> 00:21:06,331 to sleep for the night. 459 00:21:06,331 --> 00:21:07,833 Started having contractions, 460 00:21:07,833 --> 00:21:09,434 called the Good Earth Commune. 461 00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:12,037 One of the ladies came over with her baby and was, 462 00:21:12,037 --> 00:21:14,640 what you would call nowadays, my doula. 463 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,176 And got me in a tub, talked me through some contractions, 464 00:21:18,176 --> 00:21:20,412 and then I pushed him out and she said, 465 00:21:20,412 --> 00:21:21,513 "He popped out." 466 00:21:21,513 --> 00:21:23,682 All the fireworks in San Francisco went off. 467 00:21:23,682 --> 00:21:25,284 (fireworks exploding) 468 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:26,551 It was the most empowering thing 469 00:21:26,551 --> 00:21:27,786 that ever happened in my life. 470 00:21:27,786 --> 00:21:30,222 It was so different from my first birth. 471 00:21:30,222 --> 00:21:31,423 I just felt like I could do anything. 472 00:21:33,792 --> 00:21:36,228 (gentle music) 473 00:21:38,764 --> 00:21:39,931 - [Paula] So, that was it. 474 00:21:39,931 --> 00:21:42,167 Women could do anything. 475 00:21:42,167 --> 00:21:43,669 We were free. 476 00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:47,105 Free to choose the birth we wanted to try for. 477 00:21:47,105 --> 00:21:49,841 Free to push when we wanted to. 478 00:21:49,841 --> 00:21:52,477 Free to say no to drugs or yes. 479 00:21:52,477 --> 00:21:55,380 Free to give birth at home or not. 480 00:21:55,380 --> 00:21:56,782 Free to be heard. 481 00:21:56,782 --> 00:21:59,985 Free from dangerous procedures we didn't need. 482 00:21:59,985 --> 00:22:02,054 Free to take back control. 483 00:22:03,021 --> 00:22:04,523 Okay, maybe not. 484 00:22:04,523 --> 00:22:06,591 I might have got a little carried away there. 485 00:22:08,927 --> 00:22:11,763 The conflict over home birth proved one of the most bitter 486 00:22:11,763 --> 00:22:15,233 between the medical establishment and the women's movement. 487 00:22:15,233 --> 00:22:17,436 And while no state forbade home birth, 488 00:22:17,436 --> 00:22:19,638 ACOG actively discouraged it. 489 00:22:19,638 --> 00:22:22,107 Doctors have participated in home births 490 00:22:22,107 --> 00:22:23,975 by offering backup in an emergency 491 00:22:23,975 --> 00:22:26,545 were threatened with loss of hospital privileges 492 00:22:26,545 --> 00:22:28,747 and even losing their medical license. 493 00:22:30,115 --> 00:22:34,920 - Our Tennessee law had been on the books since 1898 494 00:22:36,221 --> 00:22:38,690 and it was one little sentence in the Medical Practice Act 495 00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:43,528 that said, "Midwifery is not the practice of medicine." 496 00:22:44,696 --> 00:22:47,432 And that let midwives practice openly in Tennessee. 497 00:22:47,432 --> 00:22:49,234 Not all states were like that. 498 00:22:50,569 --> 00:22:52,838 - [Paula] In fact, very few states were like that. 499 00:22:56,541 --> 00:22:59,745 - The midwives in the South were keeping midwifery alive. 500 00:22:59,745 --> 00:23:01,947 They were keeping home birth alive. 501 00:23:01,947 --> 00:23:04,516 These home birth midwives knew what they were doing. 502 00:23:06,718 --> 00:23:09,154 - Midwives, especially in the Southern region, 503 00:23:09,154 --> 00:23:11,656 have been the champions of our community 504 00:23:11,656 --> 00:23:13,892 and there was a very intentional break. 505 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,530 Midwives were holding a lot of power in our communities, 506 00:23:18,530 --> 00:23:19,998 and these were Black women, 507 00:23:19,998 --> 00:23:22,501 and granny midwives as we call them in the South. 508 00:23:24,569 --> 00:23:26,104 - [Paula] Grannies were healers 509 00:23:26,104 --> 00:23:28,540 and valued by slave owners, 510 00:23:28,540 --> 00:23:31,042 as more healthy babies meant, well, 511 00:23:31,042 --> 00:23:32,544 more people to enslave. 512 00:23:33,478 --> 00:23:35,580 But as slavery was abolished... 513 00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:37,315 - [Joanne] They made it illegal 514 00:23:37,315 --> 00:23:39,251 or retired them and then made it 515 00:23:39,251 --> 00:23:44,156 illegal in Alabama and Mississippi and Florida. (chuckles) 516 00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:46,057 - [Pamela] What it looked like to me 517 00:23:46,057 --> 00:23:47,692 is the Alabama medical system 518 00:23:47,692 --> 00:23:51,396 didn't want those babies to be borne by midwives. 519 00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:53,532 They wrote a law and they put 520 00:23:53,532 --> 00:23:55,667 all those midwives out of work. 521 00:23:55,667 --> 00:23:58,537 And Alabama still has very backwards 522 00:23:58,537 --> 00:24:00,572 in their thought about midwifery. 523 00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:03,642 - Midwives are being attacked. 524 00:24:03,642 --> 00:24:05,911 Being told that we're not safe, 525 00:24:05,911 --> 00:24:07,946 but yet majority of the unsafe births 526 00:24:07,946 --> 00:24:09,848 are happening in hospitals. 527 00:24:11,183 --> 00:24:13,351 - [Paula] And even though the work of Black midwives 528 00:24:13,351 --> 00:24:15,020 in America has been whitewashed 529 00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:17,656 out of most of our cultural understanding of birth, 530 00:24:17,656 --> 00:24:20,025 there's a growing number of midwives of color, 531 00:24:20,025 --> 00:24:22,794 like Barbara, who are putting their lives on hold 532 00:24:22,794 --> 00:24:25,664 to become qualified, often against the odds, 533 00:24:25,664 --> 00:24:28,133 to provide holistic care within their community 534 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:29,634 and transform our perceptions 535 00:24:29,634 --> 00:24:31,770 about what midwife care really is. 536 00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:35,207 - Culturally, in African culture or Caribbean culture, 537 00:24:35,207 --> 00:24:38,276 a midwife wasn't just a person that caught babies. 538 00:24:38,276 --> 00:24:41,313 They were the medicine woman, they were the counselor, 539 00:24:41,313 --> 00:24:42,681 they were the, you know, 540 00:24:42,681 --> 00:24:46,251 they were everything centered around the community. 541 00:24:46,251 --> 00:24:48,587 They uphold the family. 542 00:24:49,688 --> 00:24:51,656 - [Carol] Historically, if you look back, 543 00:24:51,656 --> 00:24:54,359 midwives have been a threat 544 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,294 and midwives have been the healers, 545 00:24:56,294 --> 00:24:57,729 the people who deliver the babies 546 00:24:57,729 --> 00:25:01,299 and the women who empower the women to give birth. 547 00:25:01,299 --> 00:25:02,667 And there is no reason 548 00:25:02,667 --> 00:25:04,769 that there shouldn't be midwives everywhere. 549 00:25:05,770 --> 00:25:07,272 - [Paula] And because American tales 550 00:25:07,272 --> 00:25:08,840 are often wild and winding, 551 00:25:10,175 --> 00:25:12,210 the biggest community these progressive hippies served 552 00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:16,281 as midwives were, well, the Amish? 553 00:25:17,816 --> 00:25:19,284 - Now, the Amish are interesting 554 00:25:19,284 --> 00:25:20,652 because they don't really educate 555 00:25:20,652 --> 00:25:22,520 their women about childbirth, 556 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,357 but the girls grow up seeing their mother 557 00:25:25,357 --> 00:25:27,726 having baby after baby after baby. 558 00:25:27,726 --> 00:25:29,094 And so, somewhere back there, 559 00:25:29,094 --> 00:25:30,896 they know that that's normal. 560 00:25:30,896 --> 00:25:33,164 - So, those women are in our statistics, 561 00:25:33,164 --> 00:25:34,666 you know, grand multips. 562 00:25:34,666 --> 00:25:39,304 We've delivered a lady's 19th baby at 49 years old, 563 00:25:40,005 --> 00:25:42,240 and that's not low risk. 564 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,243 - I don't think that the hospitals can brag about that. 565 00:25:45,243 --> 00:25:47,712 I think that the hospitals are having a hard time 566 00:25:47,712 --> 00:25:50,081 because they're doing so many interventions. 567 00:25:53,084 --> 00:25:55,620 - [Paula] But interventions are also lifesaving, 568 00:25:55,620 --> 00:25:57,122 which is why it's vital that midwives 569 00:25:57,122 --> 00:26:00,458 are able to be supported by doctors if needed, 570 00:26:00,458 --> 00:26:02,093 a model known as integrated care 571 00:26:02,093 --> 00:26:03,662 in most developed countries. 572 00:26:04,963 --> 00:26:08,300 - We made those connections in 1971. 573 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:11,369 Lovely doctors who are very willing to work with us 574 00:26:11,369 --> 00:26:13,438 and have helped us a lot. 575 00:26:14,339 --> 00:26:16,975 (birds chirping) 576 00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:22,447 - For seven years, I was a backup for six wonderful, 577 00:26:22,447 --> 00:26:25,116 dynamic lady midwives. 578 00:26:25,116 --> 00:26:29,521 At one point, they even told me I was an honorary midwife. 579 00:26:29,521 --> 00:26:30,488 I just happened to be there. 580 00:26:30,488 --> 00:26:31,690 I was a midwife who could do 581 00:26:31,690 --> 00:26:34,092 a ceasarean delivery if I needed to. 582 00:26:34,092 --> 00:26:36,061 I was always the last person they wanted to see 583 00:26:36,061 --> 00:26:37,128 because if I showed up, 584 00:26:37,128 --> 00:26:39,164 it meant that something hadn't gone the way 585 00:26:39,164 --> 00:26:40,598 they wanted it to. 586 00:26:40,598 --> 00:26:42,767 - If there is an emergency, okay, yo, 587 00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:44,235 let's go to the hospital. 588 00:26:44,235 --> 00:26:46,237 If there's a C-section that is necessary and needed, 589 00:26:46,237 --> 00:26:50,075 as long as that keeps baby and mommy safe and whole, 590 00:26:50,075 --> 00:26:50,542 let's go do it. 591 00:26:52,677 --> 00:26:54,179 (gentle acoustic music) 592 00:26:54,179 --> 00:26:55,180 - [Paula] Washington has some 593 00:26:55,180 --> 00:26:57,248 of the most integrated care in the US, 594 00:26:58,583 --> 00:27:01,152 and the best survival rates for both mothers and babies. 595 00:27:05,423 --> 00:27:08,793 In Jen's case, modern medicine saved three lives. 596 00:27:11,896 --> 00:27:13,398 - I was 24 weeks pregnant 597 00:27:13,398 --> 00:27:17,936 when I thought I was just having Braxton Hicks contractions. 598 00:27:18,603 --> 00:27:19,904 Called my doctor, 599 00:27:19,904 --> 00:27:21,906 I had mentioned that the contractions hurt 600 00:27:21,906 --> 00:27:24,342 and they said, "Oh, actually, they shouldn't hurt. 601 00:27:24,342 --> 00:27:25,644 You should come in." 602 00:27:27,412 --> 00:27:30,048 It got serious really fast. 603 00:27:30,048 --> 00:27:34,486 I hardly had time to fully understand what was happening. 604 00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:36,554 (machine beeping) 605 00:27:36,554 --> 00:27:38,256 When I woke up in recovery, 606 00:27:38,256 --> 00:27:40,225 I knew I wasn't pregnant. 607 00:27:40,225 --> 00:27:43,528 I knew they were born, I knew they were tiny, 608 00:27:43,528 --> 00:27:46,965 but I didn't really understand what that meant. 609 00:27:49,534 --> 00:27:51,603 It really wasn't until I was allowed 610 00:27:51,603 --> 00:27:54,839 to see them the next day that, kind of, 611 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:58,209 that severity of the situation really hit me. 612 00:28:00,245 --> 00:28:01,880 It was three months 613 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,182 and we were talking about tracheostomies. 614 00:28:04,182 --> 00:28:08,353 It was six months and we were talking about more surgery 615 00:28:08,353 --> 00:28:11,690 and lifelong therapy needs. 616 00:28:14,959 --> 00:28:18,763 We saw what was coming with the medical repercussions 617 00:28:18,763 --> 00:28:20,098 while the boys were literally 618 00:28:20,098 --> 00:28:21,866 fighting for their life in the NICUs. 619 00:28:23,768 --> 00:28:27,705 (gentle acoustic music continues) 620 00:28:29,174 --> 00:28:30,842 - [Paula] Yet even with the incredible care 621 00:28:30,842 --> 00:28:32,577 Jen's family received, 622 00:28:32,577 --> 00:28:34,279 there was one very stark difference 623 00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:36,815 between her story and those of mothers 624 00:28:36,815 --> 00:28:38,883 in all other developed nations. 625 00:28:40,285 --> 00:28:44,255 - The boys went in for heart surgery at six weeks old 626 00:28:44,255 --> 00:28:48,993 and I know that bill came in at around $260,000, 627 00:28:48,993 --> 00:28:52,730 which honestly, we just kind of laughed. (laughs) 628 00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:53,765 Put it in a drawer. 629 00:28:54,899 --> 00:28:56,134 We don't have that. 630 00:28:56,134 --> 00:28:59,003 There were so much that was really expensive. 631 00:28:59,003 --> 00:29:03,775 Being in the NICU, just the room itself is $10,000 a day, 632 00:29:04,876 --> 00:29:06,111 plus I had two kids, so that was doubled. 633 00:29:06,111 --> 00:29:08,179 That didn't include the doctors, the nurses, 634 00:29:08,179 --> 00:29:10,915 the therapists, the treatments, the medications. 635 00:29:10,915 --> 00:29:13,918 There were a lot of things that weren't covered, 636 00:29:13,918 --> 00:29:16,521 but we we didn't start to realize some of that 637 00:29:16,521 --> 00:29:20,625 until several months, even several years down the road. 638 00:29:20,625 --> 00:29:22,894 I was very naive at the beginning 639 00:29:22,894 --> 00:29:26,431 in that I just assumed that since we had 640 00:29:26,431 --> 00:29:28,099 comprehensive medical care 641 00:29:28,099 --> 00:29:30,368 and I paid my insurance bills every month 642 00:29:30,368 --> 00:29:33,371 and I had an employer that sponsored this plan, 643 00:29:34,606 --> 00:29:36,241 that it would be okay. 644 00:29:37,509 --> 00:29:41,079 My biggest mistake was actually trying to pay everything. 645 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:43,448 We did everything we could to pay our bills 646 00:29:43,448 --> 00:29:44,949 and to stay current. 647 00:29:44,949 --> 00:29:47,919 So, we liquidated our 401ks, we sold our house, 648 00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:50,021 we sold our cars, we sold our furniture. 649 00:29:50,021 --> 00:29:51,756 We ended up declaring bankruptcy 650 00:29:51,756 --> 00:29:54,559 to write off about $400,000 worth 651 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,594 of personal medical debt. 652 00:29:56,594 --> 00:30:00,632 But even after that, their medical bills were still so high 653 00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:03,134 that we just couldn't keep up. 654 00:30:05,703 --> 00:30:07,505 This is America. 655 00:30:07,505 --> 00:30:11,743 I had no idea we could fall into a gap like this. 656 00:30:13,411 --> 00:30:16,147 (melancholy music) 657 00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:30,895 - [Paula] Does the insurance system affect outcomes? 658 00:30:30,895 --> 00:30:32,330 - People in the United States 659 00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:34,165 no longer even know what the cost of medical care is 660 00:30:34,165 --> 00:30:37,302 because it's so hidden in these copays 661 00:30:37,302 --> 00:30:40,438 and you're being charged X only because they know 662 00:30:40,438 --> 00:30:43,174 they're only going to get Y from the insurance repayment. 663 00:30:43,174 --> 00:30:44,275 But if you're paying for it directly, 664 00:30:44,275 --> 00:30:46,144 all of a sudden, there's a new price of B 665 00:30:46,144 --> 00:30:48,279 that was never even part of the conversation. 666 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:52,016 So, I think that we don't live with real numbers 667 00:30:52,016 --> 00:30:55,053 and that's all a part of the capitalistic system 668 00:30:55,053 --> 00:30:56,354 that sort of supports 669 00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:58,223 the medical industry and establishment. 670 00:30:58,856 --> 00:30:59,958 It wasn't about safety 671 00:30:59,958 --> 00:31:02,560 or what the women wanted or anything. 672 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,562 It was all about profit. 673 00:31:04,562 --> 00:31:06,130 - Here, it's a business. 674 00:31:06,130 --> 00:31:08,900 You become a commodity, your child becomes a commodity. 675 00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:12,704 How can I thereby make money off of that? 676 00:31:12,704 --> 00:31:16,174 I don't have time for you to be in labor for 72 hours. 677 00:31:16,174 --> 00:31:17,141 No. 678 00:31:17,141 --> 00:31:19,344 The capitalist structure of this nation 679 00:31:19,344 --> 00:31:23,214 is based on the industrialization of motherhood. 680 00:31:26,084 --> 00:31:27,986 - The people in charge now 681 00:31:27,986 --> 00:31:32,090 seem to want to make it into shift work. 682 00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:36,494 They have employed laborists, they call them, 683 00:31:36,494 --> 00:31:40,098 who are watching, 684 00:31:41,065 --> 00:31:43,301 actually more ladies than ACOG says 685 00:31:43,301 --> 00:31:45,637 a doctor should be watching in active labor. 686 00:31:45,637 --> 00:31:49,540 But they are watching numerous ladies in labor 687 00:31:49,540 --> 00:31:52,477 and just intervening whenever somebody crosses 688 00:31:52,477 --> 00:31:55,546 whatever arbitrary line has been created. 689 00:31:59,617 --> 00:32:02,253 - Obstetrics is getting better at this in recent years 690 00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:05,356 but there was a period of time where inductions 691 00:32:05,356 --> 00:32:10,128 were really done for any old, almost no reason at all. 692 00:32:10,895 --> 00:32:13,197 A convenience of scheduling. 693 00:32:13,197 --> 00:32:14,332 - Well, I'm sorry, but our bodies 694 00:32:14,332 --> 00:32:16,067 don't work like that as women. 695 00:32:16,067 --> 00:32:17,535 We're not on a schedule. 696 00:32:18,803 --> 00:32:20,071 We're not on a schedule. 697 00:32:20,071 --> 00:32:21,572 Try to put a woman on a schedule. 698 00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:25,677 (soft dramatic music) 699 00:32:29,714 --> 00:32:34,452 - As society advances and medical care in general advances, 700 00:32:35,553 --> 00:32:37,322 there's probably an underlying belief 701 00:32:37,322 --> 00:32:40,725 that every technology that gets developed 702 00:32:40,725 --> 00:32:43,227 is going to improve childbirth 703 00:32:43,227 --> 00:32:45,129 and the care of pregnant women. 704 00:32:45,129 --> 00:32:46,964 I think that's just a value 705 00:32:46,964 --> 00:32:50,201 and something that's not necessarily proven scientifically. 706 00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:54,272 - We are a country that likes to sue 707 00:32:54,272 --> 00:32:57,275 whenever there's an outcome that is not optimal. 708 00:32:57,275 --> 00:33:01,279 And so, we have a reactionary healthcare field 709 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,948 where we tend to not push the envelope, 710 00:33:03,948 --> 00:33:05,049 allow somebody to do something 711 00:33:05,049 --> 00:33:07,452 that's outside the normal standard of care 712 00:33:07,452 --> 00:33:09,620 because we're really concerned about a lawsuit. 713 00:33:10,688 --> 00:33:12,890 It is absolutely driving decision-making 714 00:33:12,890 --> 00:33:14,525 in healthcare right now. 715 00:33:14,525 --> 00:33:18,096 But it's also helping drive the maternal mortality crisis 716 00:33:18,096 --> 00:33:21,265 because we tend to intervene out of concern 717 00:33:21,265 --> 00:33:22,700 that we might be heading down a path 718 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:24,836 where we might see an adverse outcome 719 00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:26,104 if we're not listening to people, 720 00:33:26,104 --> 00:33:27,338 if we're not hearing what they're saying, 721 00:33:27,338 --> 00:33:29,307 if we're missing important clues, 722 00:33:29,307 --> 00:33:30,608 not just during their pregnancy and birth, 723 00:33:30,608 --> 00:33:33,644 but in their postpartum period, we see adverse outcomes. 724 00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:39,817 - If I had a wish, 725 00:33:39,817 --> 00:33:42,653 it would be that we would have a birthing system 726 00:33:42,653 --> 00:33:47,525 that was set up for and by women, 727 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,696 and that women were in control of the birthing process. 728 00:33:51,696 --> 00:33:53,965 Because I think that there are things 729 00:33:53,965 --> 00:33:58,736 that the largely male administration of most hospitals 730 00:34:02,807 --> 00:34:06,144 and the boards of directors of insurance companies 731 00:34:06,144 --> 00:34:09,180 just don't get about birth. 732 00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:13,785 In an ideal world, I would love for all OBs 733 00:34:14,752 --> 00:34:16,154 to have midwifery training 734 00:34:17,455 --> 00:34:21,793 so they could understand the process of normal birth 735 00:34:21,793 --> 00:34:26,564 as opposed to the medicalization of birth. 736 00:34:28,766 --> 00:34:30,268 - [Paula] One of the most vulnerable moments 737 00:34:30,268 --> 00:34:32,303 of my life was during labor, 738 00:34:32,303 --> 00:34:35,072 and I can't imagine doing it without support, 739 00:34:35,072 --> 00:34:37,175 particularly that of my doula. 740 00:34:37,175 --> 00:34:38,709 If I'm honest, I don't really remember 741 00:34:38,709 --> 00:34:40,411 anyone else being there, 742 00:34:40,411 --> 00:34:42,213 but my husband assures me he was. 743 00:34:44,715 --> 00:34:47,351 You might be wondering what a doula is. 744 00:34:47,351 --> 00:34:49,554 No, a doula is not a handbag, 745 00:34:49,554 --> 00:34:51,789 a weird deer or a part of your brain. 746 00:34:53,257 --> 00:34:55,059 It's not exactly what Ali Wong suggests either. 747 00:34:55,059 --> 00:34:57,195 - I'm very, very scared of childbirth. 748 00:34:57,195 --> 00:35:00,164 That's why I'm going to hire a doula. 749 00:35:00,164 --> 00:35:01,265 You know what that is? 750 00:35:01,265 --> 00:35:02,600 You know what a doula is? 751 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,205 That's a white hippie witch (audience laughs) 752 00:35:07,205 --> 00:35:09,340 that blows quinoa into your pussy 753 00:35:09,340 --> 00:35:12,577 to Keyser Soze all the pain away. 754 00:35:15,379 --> 00:35:18,649 - The doula is for physical and emotional support. 755 00:35:18,649 --> 00:35:22,220 So it's what we used to do centuries ago. 756 00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:24,622 Back in the day, our sisters, our mothers, 757 00:35:24,622 --> 00:35:27,492 our grandmothers, our cousins, our aunts, 758 00:35:27,492 --> 00:35:31,596 all the women before us who had babies helped us birth. 759 00:35:31,596 --> 00:35:33,231 They were there, they were rubbing our back, 760 00:35:33,231 --> 00:35:35,466 they were talking to us, they were singing to us, 761 00:35:35,466 --> 00:35:37,468 they were doing all of these things 762 00:35:37,468 --> 00:35:39,904 that helped us through childbirth, 763 00:35:39,904 --> 00:35:42,673 and we just don't do that for women anymore. 764 00:35:42,673 --> 00:35:45,743 And so, I think the doula fills that spot now. 765 00:35:45,743 --> 00:35:47,178 - So, I think that doulas are extremely important 766 00:35:47,178 --> 00:35:49,614 and I may be a little biased in that because I am a doula, 767 00:35:49,614 --> 00:35:51,916 but I understand how important it is 768 00:35:51,916 --> 00:35:53,751 for women to have support, 769 00:35:53,751 --> 00:35:56,687 for us to be able to take care of each other 770 00:35:56,687 --> 00:35:58,890 during this journey to motherhood. 771 00:35:58,890 --> 00:36:03,694 ♪ But I need a place to command ♪ 772 00:36:03,694 --> 00:36:06,731 ♪ Somewhere quiet and somewhere warm ♪ 773 00:36:06,731 --> 00:36:08,499 - [Paula] And as much as you might think 774 00:36:08,499 --> 00:36:10,735 doulas are in the same category as kale facials 775 00:36:10,735 --> 00:36:12,336 or jade vagina eggs, 776 00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:13,538 it's statistically proven 777 00:36:13,538 --> 00:36:15,640 they can have huge benefits for mothers. 778 00:36:16,974 --> 00:36:20,211 In fact, a large scale study of over 15,000 women 779 00:36:20,211 --> 00:36:23,481 from 17 countries found that compared to birthing people 780 00:36:23,481 --> 00:36:25,316 with no labor support, 781 00:36:25,316 --> 00:36:27,685 those with a labor companion such as a doula 782 00:36:27,685 --> 00:36:29,754 were more likely to have a shorter labor, 783 00:36:29,754 --> 00:36:32,156 less likely to need drugs to speed up labor, 784 00:36:32,156 --> 00:36:35,426 less likely to use any pain medication while giving birth 785 00:36:35,426 --> 00:36:37,395 and less likely to have their babies admitted 786 00:36:37,395 --> 00:36:38,829 to a special care nursery. 787 00:36:40,131 --> 00:36:43,634 - Having come from a long line of teen parents, 788 00:36:43,634 --> 00:36:46,270 I had always really been drawn 789 00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:49,574 and had a heart for teens, pregnant teens. 790 00:36:49,574 --> 00:36:51,876 You know, thinking of all these girls, 791 00:36:51,876 --> 00:36:55,680 well, first thinking of my family, my mom, who with me, 792 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,882 took a bus to the hospital to get induced 793 00:36:57,882 --> 00:37:00,851 and then took a taxi home at 18-years-old. 794 00:37:00,851 --> 00:37:03,988 All my aunts who gave birth at 15, 16, 17. 795 00:37:03,988 --> 00:37:06,657 I thought about them and what that experience 796 00:37:06,657 --> 00:37:07,858 must have been like for them 797 00:37:07,858 --> 00:37:10,127 and how different it was from my experience. 798 00:37:10,127 --> 00:37:13,764 That is what made me go and do my doula training, 799 00:37:13,764 --> 00:37:15,032 because I wanted to serve them 800 00:37:15,032 --> 00:37:17,335 and other, you know, underserved women. 801 00:37:20,237 --> 00:37:23,808 There's rarely a girl that says no to a free doula. 802 00:37:23,808 --> 00:37:25,943 Do you want someone who's going to be there 803 00:37:25,943 --> 00:37:28,412 and help educate you leading up to your birth 804 00:37:28,412 --> 00:37:29,680 and then she'll join you during your birth 805 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,916 and she'll help massage you and comfort you 806 00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:33,451 and give you all the information you need? 807 00:37:33,451 --> 00:37:34,585 Do you want this person? 808 00:37:34,585 --> 00:37:35,653 Yes. 809 00:37:35,653 --> 00:37:38,689 Yeah, of course. And who wouldn't? 810 00:37:38,689 --> 00:37:40,124 And a lot of them don't even know 811 00:37:40,124 --> 00:37:42,026 that they have these choices and that they can speak up 812 00:37:42,026 --> 00:37:46,230 and that they can walk into a hospital and have a plan. 813 00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:47,865 Most of the doctors who they work with 814 00:37:47,865 --> 00:37:50,501 and nurses do not expect them to walk in 815 00:37:50,501 --> 00:37:52,036 knowing what they know. 816 00:37:52,036 --> 00:37:54,138 And they would prefer that they didn't ask 817 00:37:54,138 --> 00:37:55,306 and that they would prefer 818 00:37:55,306 --> 00:37:56,841 that they didn't know these things. 819 00:37:56,841 --> 00:38:00,144 - Our work becomes more in the realm of advocacy 820 00:38:00,144 --> 00:38:02,313 in really trying to advocate 821 00:38:02,313 --> 00:38:04,582 for this person's basic human rights. 822 00:38:04,582 --> 00:38:07,518 Just the human right to just be who you are 823 00:38:07,518 --> 00:38:09,754 and to have bodily autonomy over yourself 824 00:38:09,754 --> 00:38:11,255 until you birth your babies in a way 825 00:38:11,255 --> 00:38:13,457 that is affirming to you. 826 00:38:14,892 --> 00:38:17,361 (gentle music) 827 00:38:18,696 --> 00:38:21,465 - Doulas have been proven to improve outcomes 828 00:38:21,465 --> 00:38:24,435 and the system is starting to recognize that. 829 00:38:24,435 --> 00:38:26,570 It's a Band-Aid on a broken system 830 00:38:26,570 --> 00:38:28,372 when what we should be doing 831 00:38:28,372 --> 00:38:32,610 is spending all of that money and time fixing that system. 832 00:38:34,979 --> 00:38:37,081 - What care ideally should look like 833 00:38:37,081 --> 00:38:40,551 is that the woman who comes in to have her baby 834 00:38:40,551 --> 00:38:43,154 is asked questions around what is important to her 835 00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:45,322 and what those things are that she's really looking for 836 00:38:45,322 --> 00:38:47,391 along the journey of her birth. 837 00:38:47,391 --> 00:38:48,793 Where we're respectful, 838 00:38:48,793 --> 00:38:50,027 if somebody's having a contraction 839 00:38:50,027 --> 00:38:52,129 to stop talking and to support her through that 840 00:38:52,129 --> 00:38:54,565 rather than being focused in our computer systems. 841 00:38:54,565 --> 00:38:56,534 Where we are high touch and low tech, 842 00:38:56,534 --> 00:38:58,936 where every woman's birth has a goal 843 00:38:58,936 --> 00:39:01,205 of being as low intervention as possible 844 00:39:01,205 --> 00:39:02,707 and not as managed. 845 00:39:02,707 --> 00:39:04,875 And culture change is where hospitals 846 00:39:04,875 --> 00:39:06,510 can make the greatest impact. 847 00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:10,548 But society has just as great a role in how we portray birth 848 00:39:10,548 --> 00:39:12,850 before somebody ever comes into that system. 849 00:39:16,487 --> 00:39:20,491 - I stopped doing obstetrics last December, 850 00:39:22,793 --> 00:39:26,997 which still is sad for me. 851 00:39:26,997 --> 00:39:27,932 I came to that decision 852 00:39:27,932 --> 00:39:31,802 because I just couldn't any longer 853 00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:37,908 practice in a place where women's goals were so dismissed. 854 00:39:40,911 --> 00:39:43,047 The chairman of our department 855 00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:47,318 actually said that they were going to have protocols 856 00:39:47,318 --> 00:39:50,988 and all ladies would get the same care no matter what. 857 00:39:50,988 --> 00:39:55,726 And so the chance to individualize care for a given patient 858 00:39:57,161 --> 00:39:58,729 went out the window. 859 00:39:58,729 --> 00:40:03,400 And I couldn't, in good conscience, 860 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,504 take patients, who, over the years, 861 00:40:06,504 --> 00:40:09,306 had entrusted me to be their advocate 862 00:40:09,306 --> 00:40:13,811 and to make medical decisions for them, knowing them, 863 00:40:13,811 --> 00:40:18,616 to have to give up not so much my autonomy, 864 00:40:19,650 --> 00:40:23,721 but their autonomy was too heartbreaking. 865 00:40:24,755 --> 00:40:26,123 It wasn't what I went to medical school to do. 866 00:40:29,827 --> 00:40:32,129 - When you get a medical education, 867 00:40:32,129 --> 00:40:35,299 you are apprenticed in some of the basics 868 00:40:35,299 --> 00:40:37,635 and presumably, over the course of your career, 869 00:40:37,635 --> 00:40:40,771 you're going to keep learning and advancing 870 00:40:40,771 --> 00:40:44,074 and as the field changes, you keep along with it. 871 00:40:44,074 --> 00:40:46,710 You get trained to practice in a certain way 872 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:49,914 and you get a certain familiarity 873 00:40:49,914 --> 00:40:52,416 with clinical scenarios that are common. 874 00:40:52,416 --> 00:40:56,020 And you basically learn this is how I treat scenario A 875 00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:58,189 and this is how I treat scenario B. 876 00:40:58,189 --> 00:40:59,857 To practice in a way that is different 877 00:40:59,857 --> 00:41:01,826 in the way that you are trained 878 00:41:01,826 --> 00:41:04,762 or different in a way that you are familiar with 879 00:41:04,762 --> 00:41:07,064 becomes very uncomfortable 880 00:41:07,064 --> 00:41:08,999 because you're not necessarily used to 881 00:41:08,999 --> 00:41:10,868 or familiar with what's going to happen 882 00:41:10,868 --> 00:41:13,270 if I don't do these things. 883 00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:15,639 And our position as obstetricians is going to be 884 00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:16,941 well, that's too bad. 885 00:41:16,941 --> 00:41:18,108 You're just going to have to figure out a way 886 00:41:18,108 --> 00:41:19,977 to survive it and get through it. 887 00:41:19,977 --> 00:41:22,680 This is the only thing that we can offer you. 888 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,184 I just came to feel that we had taken 889 00:41:27,184 --> 00:41:29,420 a wrong turn somewhere, 890 00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:32,823 and how did our specialty get to a place 891 00:41:32,823 --> 00:41:37,561 where the experts in childbirth cannot deliver a baby? 892 00:41:39,096 --> 00:41:41,999 and how did our specialty get to a (soft dr) 893 00:41:48,873 --> 00:41:51,242 - [Paula] How do the rest of us learn about childbirth? 894 00:41:54,011 --> 00:41:56,247 (baby crying) 895 00:41:57,815 --> 00:42:00,684 (people chattering indistinctly) 896 00:42:00,684 --> 00:42:01,952 - All right. 897 00:42:01,952 --> 00:42:03,087 Well, I'm going to set up a quick sonogram 898 00:42:03,087 --> 00:42:05,489 and see if we can find out about the baby. 899 00:42:05,489 --> 00:42:08,592 It looks like we will be having a happy, healthy baby. 900 00:42:08,592 --> 00:42:09,727 First thing I'm going to do 901 00:42:09,727 --> 00:42:11,395 is I'm going to give mother cabbage 902 00:42:11,395 --> 00:42:14,231 a large dose of imagicillin. 903 00:42:14,231 --> 00:42:16,033 Now this does not hurt nor harm her, 904 00:42:16,033 --> 00:42:20,070 just loosens her leaves and helps for an easier delivery. 905 00:42:20,070 --> 00:42:21,171 And the next thing I'm going to do 906 00:42:21,171 --> 00:42:22,640 is I'm going to check to make sure 907 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,742 she's exactly 10 leaves apart. 908 00:42:26,677 --> 00:42:28,012 She's going to need your help 909 00:42:28,012 --> 00:42:29,647 with a quick breathing exercise 910 00:42:29,647 --> 00:42:30,981 to help her relax a little, 911 00:42:30,981 --> 00:42:33,584 so I'm gonna need you all to breathe in. 912 00:42:33,584 --> 00:42:34,652 (people inhaling) 913 00:42:34,652 --> 00:42:36,820 And out. (people exhaling) 914 00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:39,023 And in. (people inhaling) 915 00:42:39,023 --> 00:42:40,958 And out. (people exhaling) 916 00:42:40,958 --> 00:42:42,226 All right. 917 00:42:42,226 --> 00:42:43,427 Now she is ready to push, 918 00:42:43,427 --> 00:42:45,362 but she's going to need your help one more time. 919 00:42:45,362 --> 00:42:46,430 So, on the count of three, 920 00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:49,366 can I get you all to push as loud as you can. 921 00:42:49,366 --> 00:42:51,402 One, two, three. 922 00:42:51,402 --> 00:42:52,469 - [All] Push! 923 00:42:53,771 --> 00:42:55,005 - [Instructor] All right. 924 00:42:55,005 --> 00:42:55,839 One more time, just a little bit louder. 925 00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:58,409 One, two, three. 926 00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:03,113 - [All] Push! 927 00:43:03,914 --> 00:43:08,319 - [Child] Oh, he's so cute. 928 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:10,788 - [Instructor] Here's our lilele boy. 929 00:43:10,788 --> 00:43:13,390 - [Audience Member] Yay. 930 00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:15,192 - [Instructor] So, I'm just going to wrap him up, 931 00:43:15,192 --> 00:43:16,827 and tell you a couple of things about him. 932 00:43:16,827 --> 00:43:18,295 - [Child] So cute. 933 00:43:19,763 --> 00:43:22,499 (soft eerie music) 934 00:43:37,614 --> 00:43:40,250 (insects buzzing) 935 00:43:41,518 --> 00:43:43,587 - [Pamela] When your body goes into labor, 936 00:43:43,587 --> 00:43:45,856 you have a hormone, oxytocin. 937 00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:49,860 In labor, it rises and rises and rises. 938 00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:51,862 And at the time you have the baby, 939 00:43:51,862 --> 00:43:54,264 you have the most amount of oxytocin 940 00:43:54,264 --> 00:43:57,534 going through your system of any other time in your life. 941 00:43:58,836 --> 00:44:01,305 And that oxytocin is a pain killer. 942 00:44:05,843 --> 00:44:08,045 - [Paula] It's not just a better understanding of birth 943 00:44:08,045 --> 00:44:10,014 for those having babies that's needed. 944 00:44:11,348 --> 00:44:14,118 Partners are also a vital part of the process, too. 945 00:44:18,322 --> 00:44:19,156 (child crying) 946 00:44:19,156 --> 00:44:20,090 - [Charles] Let me see. 947 00:44:20,090 --> 00:44:20,891 Which one? Which one is it? 948 00:44:20,891 --> 00:44:22,159 - [Child] This one. 949 00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:22,793 - [Charles] Which one is it? This one? 950 00:44:22,793 --> 00:44:24,094 - [Child] Yes. 951 00:44:24,094 --> 00:44:24,728 - [Charles] Let me see. You need a new finger? 952 00:44:24,728 --> 00:44:25,996 - [Child] Yes. 953 00:44:25,996 --> 00:44:26,930 - [Charles] All right. Let me check my pocket. 954 00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:28,132 What's tonight, guys? 955 00:44:28,132 --> 00:44:30,534 - Taco. - Taco what? 956 00:44:30,534 --> 00:44:31,268 (child mumbles) 957 00:44:31,268 --> 00:44:33,504 - [Charles] Taco Tuesday. 958 00:44:33,504 --> 00:44:34,905 - [Friend] You want some tomatoes? 959 00:44:34,905 --> 00:44:36,040 - [Child] Oh. 960 00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:38,742 We had this with... (mumbles) 961 00:44:38,742 --> 00:44:40,911 - [Friend] You did. Do you want the tomatoes? 962 00:44:40,911 --> 00:44:41,845 - [Charles] This is a table I had. 963 00:44:41,845 --> 00:44:43,547 This is actually, before we met, 964 00:44:43,547 --> 00:44:45,082 this is like the table that Kira and I had. 965 00:44:45,082 --> 00:44:47,484 - Yes. - In the place here, so... 966 00:44:47,484 --> 00:44:50,554 For weeks, we moved in, and so she'd walk in, 967 00:44:50,554 --> 00:44:53,223 I'd be sitting at this table, like eating, 968 00:44:53,223 --> 00:44:55,759 like, a grown man who's like, all the time, like... 969 00:44:55,759 --> 00:44:57,494 - That's amazing. 970 00:44:57,494 --> 00:45:00,397 - Langston is in, what I call the toaster, 971 00:45:00,397 --> 00:45:03,267 the little incubator, just taking a nap. 972 00:45:04,068 --> 00:45:05,903 Kira is resting in her bed. 973 00:45:07,204 --> 00:45:10,407 As I look down, I begin to see the catheter 974 00:45:10,407 --> 00:45:12,543 at Kira's bedside begin to fill with blood. 975 00:45:13,911 --> 00:45:16,013 And I was, I was alarmed, frankly, 976 00:45:16,013 --> 00:45:16,947 and I brought it to the attention 977 00:45:16,947 --> 00:45:19,116 of the staff and the nurses. 978 00:45:19,116 --> 00:45:21,285 And they came in, they assessed Kira. 979 00:45:21,285 --> 00:45:23,120 They ordered a series of tests, 980 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,190 including blood work and an ultrasound 981 00:45:26,190 --> 00:45:27,691 and also very importantly, 982 00:45:27,691 --> 00:45:29,993 a CT scan they were supposed to perform stat. 983 00:45:29,993 --> 00:45:31,595 I'm concerned, but I'm thinking, 984 00:45:31,595 --> 00:45:32,229 "You know what? 985 00:45:32,229 --> 00:45:33,497 My wife is healthy. 986 00:45:33,497 --> 00:45:35,299 My baby's healthy, and we're at Cedars-Sinai." 987 00:45:37,534 --> 00:45:39,737 The blood work comes back, it's abnormal. 988 00:45:39,737 --> 00:45:42,840 It's showing that all of her blood levels are dropping. 989 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:43,807 When they do the ultrasound, 990 00:45:43,807 --> 00:45:44,775 they can see that her abdomen 991 00:45:44,775 --> 00:45:45,909 is beginning to fill with fluid. 992 00:45:45,909 --> 00:45:48,645 So, keep in mind, this is shortly after 4:00. 993 00:45:51,448 --> 00:45:53,784 The doctor comes in, he looks at her, 994 00:45:53,784 --> 00:45:54,985 feels around her stomach. 995 00:45:54,985 --> 00:45:56,820 She's in intense pain, and he says, 996 00:45:56,820 --> 00:45:58,455 "We'll just see what happens." 997 00:45:58,455 --> 00:46:00,724 Right? And walks back out of the room. 998 00:46:00,724 --> 00:46:02,626 And I'm asking, "Well, where's the CT scan?" 999 00:46:02,626 --> 00:46:05,729 They're telling me, "It's coming, it's coming, it's coming." 1000 00:46:05,729 --> 00:46:10,334 7:00 comes. By this time, Kira's shivering uncontrollably. 1001 00:46:10,334 --> 00:46:12,803 She's beginning to become very pale. 1002 00:46:12,803 --> 00:46:14,104 They do another ultrasound, 1003 00:46:14,104 --> 00:46:16,607 they see that there's even more blood in her abdomen, 1004 00:46:16,607 --> 00:46:20,210 and I'm asking still, "Where is the CT scan?" 1005 00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:22,579 And at which point a staff member tells me, 1006 00:46:22,579 --> 00:46:25,149 "Sir, your wife just isn't a priority right now. 1007 00:46:26,583 --> 00:46:28,585 Your wife just isn't a priority right now." 1008 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,555 9:00 comes, 10:00 comes. 1009 00:46:31,555 --> 00:46:35,125 No CT scan. Kira's condition is continuing to deteriorate. 1010 00:46:35,125 --> 00:46:37,261 And they said, "So, we need to give her a blood transfusion 1011 00:46:37,261 --> 00:46:39,129 so that we can keep her stable." 1012 00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:41,431 And I'm saying, "Keep her stable?" 1013 00:46:41,431 --> 00:46:42,699 Just a couple of minutes ago, 1014 00:46:42,699 --> 00:46:44,468 somebody tol tme that she wasn't a priority. 1015 00:46:44,468 --> 00:46:46,537 What are you talking about, "Keep her stable?" 1016 00:46:47,404 --> 00:46:48,906 Hours continued to go by. 1017 00:46:48,906 --> 00:46:51,508 10:00 comes, 11:00 comes. 1018 00:46:51,508 --> 00:46:53,710 It wasn't until after midnight 1019 00:46:53,710 --> 00:46:56,446 that they finally took Kira back to surgery. 1020 00:46:56,446 --> 00:46:59,216 I'm angry, I'm frustrated, but I'm thinking, 1021 00:46:59,216 --> 00:47:01,084 "Finally, they're going to do something. 1022 00:47:01,084 --> 00:47:01,985 They're going to do something. 1023 00:47:01,985 --> 00:47:03,420 They're going to fix it." 1024 00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:05,022 (machine beeping) 1025 00:47:05,022 --> 00:47:08,725 On the way to the operating room, I'm holding her hand, 1026 00:47:08,725 --> 00:47:10,594 and she's saying, "Baby, I'm scared." 1027 00:47:11,929 --> 00:47:14,464 And if you know Kira, there was not a lot that scared Kira. 1028 00:47:14,464 --> 00:47:16,633 We're talking about a woman that raced cars, 1029 00:47:16,633 --> 00:47:19,536 who ran marathons, who was an avid skydiver. 1030 00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:23,273 But she's holding my hand, she's saying, "Baby, I'm scared." 1031 00:47:24,408 --> 00:47:26,743 And the doctor says, "It's no big deal." 1032 00:47:28,111 --> 00:47:30,414 He says, "I'm going to go back in through the same incision 1033 00:47:30,414 --> 00:47:33,717 that I made earlier when I did the ceasarean. 1034 00:47:33,717 --> 00:47:36,186 I'm going to find out what's going on 1035 00:47:36,186 --> 00:47:37,454 and I'm going to fix it." 1036 00:47:39,456 --> 00:47:41,592 He told me that she would be back in 15 minutes. 1037 00:47:42,693 --> 00:47:45,395 (melancholy music) 1038 00:47:49,967 --> 00:47:51,602 After they took Kira back to the operating room, 1039 00:47:51,602 --> 00:47:53,904 they took me out to a waiting room, 1040 00:47:53,904 --> 00:47:57,107 the same waiting room we had entered that hospital in 1041 00:47:57,107 --> 00:47:59,209 at 1:30 that afternoon. 1042 00:47:59,209 --> 00:48:00,944 And at 1:30 in the afternoon, 1043 00:48:00,944 --> 00:48:02,512 that room was full of life. 1044 00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:05,315 It was full of mothers and balloons 1045 00:48:05,315 --> 00:48:07,718 and families that were excited 1046 00:48:07,718 --> 00:48:11,722 to welcome these precious gifts and these new babies. 1047 00:48:11,722 --> 00:48:14,324 And they put me in that waiting room and it was empty. 1048 00:48:15,859 --> 00:48:18,929 All I could hear was the janitor's vacuum. 1049 00:48:19,963 --> 00:48:21,832 My eyes are fixed on this set of double doors 1050 00:48:21,832 --> 00:48:24,134 because I know when somebody comes to give me some news, 1051 00:48:24,134 --> 00:48:26,403 they're going to come through that set of double doors. 1052 00:48:27,404 --> 00:48:29,606 Finally, those doors open, 1053 00:48:29,606 --> 00:48:31,942 a set of residents walk towards me 1054 00:48:31,942 --> 00:48:34,244 and they say, "Mr. Johnson, we need you to have a seat." 1055 00:48:34,244 --> 00:48:36,113 So, I sit down and they tell me, 1056 00:48:36,113 --> 00:48:38,315 "Mr. Johnson, we couldn't be back there any longer 1057 00:48:38,315 --> 00:48:40,284 without letting you know what's going on. 1058 00:48:41,685 --> 00:48:43,987 When he made the incision to open her up, 1059 00:48:43,987 --> 00:48:47,357 there was a lot of blood and Kira coded." 1060 00:48:49,293 --> 00:48:50,627 And I'm saying, "What?" 1061 00:48:50,627 --> 00:48:52,863 She coded, but her situation is critical 1062 00:48:52,863 --> 00:48:54,865 and they're continuing to work on her. 1063 00:48:54,865 --> 00:48:57,334 There was hope. They were working on her. 1064 00:48:57,334 --> 00:48:59,303 And in my mind, I honestly, at that point, 1065 00:49:01,772 --> 00:49:03,607 I thought that she was gonna be okay, right? 1066 00:49:03,607 --> 00:49:04,775 Because you're working on her. 1067 00:49:04,775 --> 00:49:05,842 And this is Kira, right? She's... 1068 00:49:06,877 --> 00:49:07,711 She's amazing. 1069 00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:13,150 That set of doors open again and those same two residents, 1070 00:49:13,150 --> 00:49:15,752 along with a doctor that I'd never seen before, came. 1071 00:49:17,154 --> 00:49:20,991 They told us that Kira had died 1072 00:49:20,991 --> 00:49:23,727 and there was nothing that they could do to save her. 1073 00:49:23,727 --> 00:49:28,565 ♪ My darling time to shut your eyes ♪ 1074 00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:34,371 ♪ And leave the day behind and slumber ♪ 1075 00:49:35,272 --> 00:49:39,910 ♪ Tomorrow waits for you rise 1076 00:49:41,178 --> 00:49:45,649 ♪ So rest your weary head and dream of wonder ♪ 1077 00:49:46,850 --> 00:49:51,288 ♪ It's not goodbye, it's just good night ♪ 1078 00:49:51,822 --> 00:49:53,990 (gentle music) 1079 00:49:57,861 --> 00:50:00,063 ♪ I'll meet you on the other side ♪ 1080 00:50:00,063 --> 00:50:02,199 - [Charles] When they took Kira back into surgery, 1081 00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:04,001 and that doctor opened her up, 1082 00:50:04,001 --> 00:50:07,671 there were 3.5 liters of blood in her abdomen 1083 00:50:07,671 --> 00:50:09,339 and her heart stopped immediately. 1084 00:50:09,339 --> 00:50:10,807 ♪ So much to tell you 1085 00:50:10,807 --> 00:50:14,911 ♪ So much I want to show you 1086 00:50:14,911 --> 00:50:19,683 ♪ I'll always be right here beside you to hold you ♪ 1087 00:50:20,751 --> 00:50:25,489 ♪ It's not goodbye, it's just goodnight ♪ 1088 00:50:26,590 --> 00:50:28,925 ♪ It's not goodbye, it's just goodnight ♪ 1089 00:50:28,925 --> 00:50:30,494 - Yay, give me hugs. 1090 00:50:30,494 --> 00:50:33,764 Oh, I love you, sweetness. You're my baby. 1091 00:50:33,764 --> 00:50:34,464 Mwah. 1092 00:50:34,464 --> 00:50:35,832 I love you. Mwah. 1093 00:50:37,234 --> 00:50:38,402 - A woman like Kira, 1094 00:50:38,402 --> 00:50:39,903 a woman that's perfectly healthy, 1095 00:50:39,903 --> 00:50:42,739 having access to care, who has a healthy child, 1096 00:50:42,739 --> 00:50:44,408 who didn't have a high-risk pregnancy, 1097 00:50:44,408 --> 00:50:47,611 walking into a hospital like Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, 1098 00:50:47,611 --> 00:50:50,747 and not walking out to raise her precious sons, 1099 00:50:50,747 --> 00:50:52,482 I thought that she was an anomaly. 1100 00:50:53,717 --> 00:50:55,419 (singer vocalizing) (birds chirping) 1101 00:50:57,487 --> 00:51:00,757 (birds chirping) 1102 00:51:01,425 --> 00:51:02,793 - [Paula] I wondered if those in power 1103 00:51:02,793 --> 00:51:04,394 were starting to hear the voices 1104 00:51:04,394 --> 00:51:06,363 of those who felt so powerless. 1105 00:51:12,469 --> 00:51:13,837 - I'm here first and foremost 1106 00:51:13,837 --> 00:51:15,839 as not just a man and a husband, 1107 00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:18,308 but a dad to a beautiful, healthy 1108 00:51:18,308 --> 00:51:19,676 little five-and-a-half- year-old girl 1109 00:51:19,676 --> 00:51:22,045 that is missing the most important thing in the world 1110 00:51:22,045 --> 00:51:24,881 for every little girl, and that's a mom. 1111 00:51:24,881 --> 00:51:27,517 My wife took her life 41 days after my daughter was born. 1112 00:51:27,517 --> 00:51:28,985 No where on that death certificate 1113 00:51:28,985 --> 00:51:31,922 was a box checked that he had given birth to a baby. 1114 00:51:33,156 --> 00:51:37,060 There's two words: hanged and hanged herself. 1115 00:51:37,060 --> 00:51:39,396 My daughter has to look at that death certificate. 1116 00:51:39,396 --> 00:51:42,799 I'm running out of stories to tell her about what happened. 1117 00:51:42,799 --> 00:51:45,368 The reality of the matter is I'm scared to death 1118 00:51:45,368 --> 00:51:47,404 she's gonna blame herself. 1119 00:51:47,404 --> 00:51:50,373 But it's not her fault and it wasn't her mother's fault. 1120 00:51:50,373 --> 00:51:51,575 It's the system's fault. 1121 00:51:51,575 --> 00:51:53,009 It's healthcare's fault. 1122 00:51:53,009 --> 00:51:54,978 My wife did not suffer in silence. 1123 00:51:54,978 --> 00:51:58,448 She was extremely vocal about what was going to happen. 1124 00:51:58,448 --> 00:52:00,851 We went to seven different hospitals 1125 00:52:00,851 --> 00:52:04,154 and different facilities in the last 13 days of her life, 1126 00:52:04,154 --> 00:52:07,357 each one turning her away for one reason or another. 1127 00:52:07,357 --> 00:52:09,326 All the doctors she talked to, 1128 00:52:09,326 --> 00:52:11,995 the answer every time was the same and never changed. 1129 00:52:11,995 --> 00:52:12,696 "You're fine. 1130 00:52:12,696 --> 00:52:14,164 You're not crazy. 1131 00:52:14,164 --> 00:52:15,966 You don't belong with them. 1132 00:52:15,966 --> 00:52:18,068 Just go home and be with your friends and family. 1133 00:52:18,068 --> 00:52:19,135 This will pass." 1134 00:52:20,504 --> 00:52:23,773 Postpartum depression is twice as common as breast cancer. 1135 00:52:24,508 --> 00:52:25,842 Now, imagine that. 1136 00:52:25,842 --> 00:52:28,044 Imagine you just get diagnosed with breast cancer, 1137 00:52:28,044 --> 00:52:30,547 you walk into a hospital and they say, 1138 00:52:30,547 --> 00:52:31,715 "I'm sorry. 1139 00:52:31,715 --> 00:52:32,682 We don't offer services for that. 1140 00:52:32,682 --> 00:52:34,484 Just go home. You'll be fine." 1141 00:52:35,585 --> 00:52:36,853 It's too late for my wife, 1142 00:52:36,853 --> 00:52:38,622 but it's not too late for my daughter. 1143 00:52:38,622 --> 00:52:40,557 We have an opportunity 1144 00:52:40,557 --> 00:52:42,726 to make sure that my daughter's generation, 1145 00:52:42,726 --> 00:52:45,028 that women after my wife, 1146 00:52:45,028 --> 00:52:47,831 get the care they need, the care they deserve. 1147 00:52:47,831 --> 00:52:50,133 And I always emphasize all the time, 1148 00:52:50,133 --> 00:52:51,768 it is not a women's health issue, 1149 00:52:51,768 --> 00:52:54,471 it is a family health issue. 1150 00:52:54,471 --> 00:52:59,142 If mom is not okay, everybody suffers. 1151 00:53:00,610 --> 00:53:03,513 (melancholy music) 1152 00:53:24,901 --> 00:53:27,537 - [Paula] Postpartum depression is not a small problem, 1153 00:53:28,572 --> 00:53:30,807 yet far too many suffer in silence. 1154 00:53:32,576 --> 00:53:35,011 Not only are mothers not being heard, 1155 00:53:35,011 --> 00:53:36,379 but also there's this guilt 1156 00:53:36,379 --> 00:53:39,249 if you say you're struggling, that you're a bad mom. 1157 00:53:40,717 --> 00:53:41,985 - I think you're starting to see men step up 1158 00:53:41,985 --> 00:53:44,054 and talk about it, and we have to. 1159 00:53:44,054 --> 00:53:47,157 I cannot imagine going through that period 1160 00:53:47,157 --> 00:53:50,493 with a new addition to our family without my wife there. 1161 00:53:50,493 --> 00:53:52,095 I can't imagine it for me. 1162 00:53:52,095 --> 00:53:54,364 Obviously, your entire life would be upended. 1163 00:53:54,364 --> 00:53:56,499 I can't imagine it for our three-year-old little daughter 1164 00:53:56,499 --> 00:53:57,867 or our one-year little boy. 1165 00:53:57,867 --> 00:54:00,136 I can't imagine the stories that I have heard 1166 00:54:00,136 --> 00:54:04,374 from husbands and dads that have told their own stories. 1167 00:54:04,374 --> 00:54:06,076 What compels me to try to speak up about this 1168 00:54:06,076 --> 00:54:08,211 is to know that we can do something about it. 1169 00:54:10,113 --> 00:54:12,916 - [Paula] But is anyone in Congress doing anything? 1170 00:54:14,251 --> 00:54:18,188 - We're 47th in the developed world for maternal mortality 1171 00:54:18,188 --> 00:54:19,956 and it's getting worse. 1172 00:54:19,956 --> 00:54:22,425 So, then, the next question is why? 1173 00:54:22,425 --> 00:54:25,228 Like, why are we the 47th and why is it getting worse? 1174 00:54:25,228 --> 00:54:28,231 And why are some states even worse than others? 1175 00:54:29,633 --> 00:54:32,235 You know, if you're an African American woman in New Jersey, 1176 00:54:32,235 --> 00:54:33,837 I admit almost, to them, where it's like, 1177 00:54:33,837 --> 00:54:36,840 should we try and let them have birth elsewhere? 1178 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,643 It's mind blowing, in 21st century America 1179 00:54:39,643 --> 00:54:40,543 that that's happening. 1180 00:54:40,543 --> 00:54:42,712 So, these groups started saying, 1181 00:54:42,712 --> 00:54:45,915 "Well, we can't answer the question fully. 1182 00:54:45,915 --> 00:54:48,218 "We need maternal mortality review committees 1183 00:54:48,218 --> 00:54:49,219 in every state. 1184 00:54:49,219 --> 00:54:51,388 We have to investigate every death." 1185 00:54:54,891 --> 00:54:56,092 - [Paula] In a moment when it feels like 1186 00:54:56,092 --> 00:54:59,095 we're unable to agree on anything as a country, 1187 00:54:59,095 --> 00:55:01,998 two mothers from either side of the aisle said, "Enough." 1188 00:55:03,099 --> 00:55:04,768 - [Jaime] We pushed and pushed and pushed 1189 00:55:04,768 --> 00:55:06,269 many different angles. 1190 00:55:06,269 --> 00:55:09,939 The coalition, Charles was willing to tell his story. 1191 00:55:09,939 --> 00:55:11,107 - I just started lobbying for it. 1192 00:55:11,107 --> 00:55:12,475 I sttearted writing letters. 1193 00:55:12,475 --> 00:55:13,743 I started making phone calls. 1194 00:55:13,743 --> 00:55:16,246 I started making visits to Washington, D.C. 1195 00:55:16,246 --> 00:55:19,115 Taking meetings with anybody that would meet with me. 1196 00:55:19,115 --> 00:55:20,383 Trying to tell Kira's story, 1197 00:55:20,383 --> 00:55:22,952 trying to get people's attention. 1198 00:55:22,952 --> 00:55:24,654 I'm not asking at this point. 1199 00:55:24,654 --> 00:55:26,723 I stopped asking a long time ago. 1200 00:55:26,723 --> 00:55:27,891 When I go into these offices, 1201 00:55:27,891 --> 00:55:29,826 I'm respectfully demanding their support. 1202 00:55:29,826 --> 00:55:31,728 I'm respectfully demanding that this bill 1203 00:55:31,728 --> 00:55:33,329 go to the floor for a vote. 1204 00:55:33,329 --> 00:55:34,964 Because there's two types of people in our country, 1205 00:55:34,964 --> 00:55:37,500 either you are a mama or you have one. 1206 00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:39,369 Poured my heart out to Congress. 1207 00:55:39,369 --> 00:55:42,205 People on both sides of the aisle are in tears. 1208 00:55:42,205 --> 00:55:45,108 For those that choose to stand in opposition to this bill, 1209 00:55:46,009 --> 00:55:47,711 you don't owe me an explanation, 1210 00:55:48,678 --> 00:55:50,246 you owe an explanation to my boys. 1211 00:55:52,215 --> 00:55:55,051 You owe Tara Hanson's son an explanation. 1212 00:55:56,553 --> 00:55:59,289 (melancholy music) 1213 00:56:02,625 --> 00:56:04,060 It passed with flying colors, 1214 00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:05,862 unanimous support in the House. 1215 00:56:05,862 --> 00:56:07,564 It passed to the Senate. 1216 00:56:07,564 --> 00:56:09,299 And so H.R.1318 is a law. 1217 00:56:14,571 --> 00:56:17,207 - Because I've been at the table doing policy 1218 00:56:17,207 --> 00:56:19,509 while I've gone through challenging pregnancies 1219 00:56:19,509 --> 00:56:20,677 or typical pregnancies, 1220 00:56:20,677 --> 00:56:23,279 or now, we're doing this with a midwife, right, 1221 00:56:23,279 --> 00:56:25,315 so get a little bit of everything. 1222 00:56:25,315 --> 00:56:27,951 I think it adds to my perspective when I'm making policy. 1223 00:56:27,951 --> 00:56:30,987 So, I bring that to the table, and we need it. 1224 00:56:30,987 --> 00:56:32,188 I guess part of the problem 1225 00:56:32,188 --> 00:56:33,957 is maybe there haven't been as many people, 1226 00:56:35,024 --> 00:56:37,060 I don't know, giving birth while in Congress? 1227 00:56:38,528 --> 00:56:39,863 - [Paula] Well, it's certainly an issue 1228 00:56:39,963 --> 00:56:42,499 that some of our lawmakers are less shy about discussing. 1229 00:56:45,268 --> 00:56:47,103 Lawmakers like Tammy Duckworth, 1230 00:56:48,104 --> 00:56:51,307 a senator, a veteran who lost both her legs 1231 00:56:51,307 --> 00:56:54,411 while deployed in Iraq and a working mom of two. 1232 00:56:56,112 --> 00:56:59,149 - And exerting even more control over women's bodies. 1233 00:56:59,149 --> 00:57:02,886 It's sexist, regressive and flat out dangerous. 1234 00:57:02,886 --> 00:57:06,556 But even while this administration's agenda is a travesty, 1235 00:57:06,556 --> 00:57:08,425 it's not an anomaly. 1236 00:57:08,425 --> 00:57:10,293 Rather, it's just the latest step 1237 00:57:10,293 --> 00:57:13,897 in the far right's long march to strip away women's rights. 1238 00:57:13,897 --> 00:57:15,932 And I'm tired of it. 1239 00:57:15,932 --> 00:57:18,001 Sick of them trying to shame women 1240 00:57:18,001 --> 00:57:19,702 when they are the ones who should be ashamed. 1241 00:57:19,702 --> 00:57:22,872 So, enough with hypocrisy, with the misogyny, 1242 00:57:22,872 --> 00:57:24,674 with some men in hallowed halls in D.C. 1243 00:57:24,674 --> 00:57:27,510 arguing that they know better than moms in Illinois, 1244 00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:29,279 or Arizona or Missouri. 1245 00:57:29,279 --> 00:57:31,848 We can and we must do better. 1246 00:57:31,848 --> 00:57:34,551 That means fighting for everything from equal pay 1247 00:57:34,551 --> 00:57:35,685 to better parental leave. 1248 00:57:35,685 --> 00:57:37,687 It means proving that we care about women 1249 00:57:37,687 --> 00:57:41,357 every day of the year, not just on one Sunday in May. 1250 00:57:41,357 --> 00:57:42,826 That's the least that our mothers 1251 00:57:42,826 --> 00:57:45,528 and daughters and sisters deserve. 1252 00:57:45,528 --> 00:57:46,896 Thank you. 1253 00:57:46,896 --> 00:57:49,165 The rising maternal mortality rate in the United States 1254 00:57:49,165 --> 00:57:51,935 is really an issue of disparity. 1255 00:57:53,403 --> 00:57:56,940 And it becomes an issue of disparity of resources. 1256 00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:59,609 And I think that the push to go after organizations 1257 00:57:59,609 --> 00:58:01,778 like Planned Parenthood, the abortion debate, 1258 00:58:01,778 --> 00:58:05,048 the choice debate has really allowed those folks 1259 00:58:05,048 --> 00:58:06,349 who are very extreme on the far right 1260 00:58:06,349 --> 00:58:09,118 to stop the funding stream that goes 1261 00:58:09,118 --> 00:58:11,554 to a lot of these healthcare practices 1262 00:58:11,554 --> 00:58:14,858 that really serve underprivileged and lower income women, 1263 00:58:14,858 --> 00:58:16,993 and that's really causing the rates to spike. 1264 00:58:20,730 --> 00:58:22,432 - [Paula] It's reported that nearly a quarter 1265 00:58:22,432 --> 00:58:24,634 of rural hospitals are on the brink of closure. 1266 00:58:25,668 --> 00:58:27,604 Being 90 miles from your nearest ER 1267 00:58:27,604 --> 00:58:30,139 can't be good for anyone's health. 1268 00:58:30,139 --> 00:58:31,741 - [Reporter] Data used by the LeapFrog group 1269 00:58:31,741 --> 00:58:34,878 ranked the Lehigh Regional Medical Center at the bottom, 1270 00:58:34,878 --> 00:58:37,213 an F for patient safety. 1271 00:58:37,213 --> 00:58:38,648 - [Reporter] Georgia mothers are dying. 1272 00:58:38,648 --> 00:58:40,783 Our state ranks last when it comes to maternal mortality. 1273 00:58:40,783 --> 00:58:42,819 - [Paula] And even if your hospital stays open, 1274 00:58:42,819 --> 00:58:45,355 unfortunately, the lower your neighborhood income, 1275 00:58:45,355 --> 00:58:47,023 the less likely your hospital is 1276 00:58:47,023 --> 00:58:48,825 to have a good safety grade, 1277 00:58:48,825 --> 00:58:51,728 as resources are strained and staff are overworked 1278 00:58:51,728 --> 00:58:52,996 and under supported. 1279 00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:56,666 - I've had a long journey to motherhood. 1280 00:58:56,666 --> 00:58:58,301 It took me 10 years of infertility 1281 00:58:58,301 --> 00:59:00,103 to try to have my children. 1282 00:59:00,103 --> 00:59:01,471 I know how precious they are to me. 1283 00:59:01,471 --> 00:59:03,640 And so it really is something 1284 00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,443 that I can't imagine a child growing up without her mother 1285 00:59:07,443 --> 00:59:09,612 because her mom died in childbirth. 1286 00:59:09,612 --> 00:59:11,080 I can't imagine that we, as the richest, 1287 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,050 most powerful nation on the Earth, can't solve this problem. 1288 00:59:15,885 --> 00:59:18,521 I can't imagine that continue to take back control?e 1289 00:59:19,822 --> 00:59:23,059 The more I connected grassroots workers in maternal health, 1290 00:59:23,059 --> 00:59:26,296 the more I saw how hard it was for them to be heard 1291 00:59:26,296 --> 00:59:29,032 beyond those who already knew we have a problem. 1292 00:59:30,266 --> 00:59:32,602 In answer to this is Mom Congress, 1293 00:59:32,602 --> 00:59:35,338 a group of mothers, fathers and birth workers 1294 00:59:35,338 --> 00:59:37,674 who came from every state in the nation 1295 00:59:37,674 --> 00:59:40,009 to collectively take a series of bills 1296 00:59:40,009 --> 00:59:41,210 to their representatives. 1297 00:59:41,210 --> 00:59:43,279 - I think that's really all of our goals. 1298 00:59:43,279 --> 00:59:45,748 And if we want to highlight specific disparities 1299 00:59:45,748 --> 00:59:48,318 and things like that, we can absolutely do that. 1300 00:59:48,318 --> 00:59:49,385 - [Speaker] I think we have to. 1301 00:59:49,385 --> 00:59:50,586 Because the majority of, you know, 1302 00:59:50,586 --> 00:59:54,324 when we have 78.3, 78% of, you know, 1303 00:59:54,324 --> 00:59:55,858 people of color, then that's the issue. 1304 00:59:55,858 --> 00:59:57,493 - [Paula] Well, it's all the symptom of the same thing. 1305 00:59:57,493 --> 00:59:58,861 They aren't listening to women. 1306 00:59:58,861 --> 01:00:00,296 And they're deaf to Black women. 1307 01:00:00,296 --> 01:00:01,931 - When it comes to women in general, 1308 01:00:01,931 --> 01:00:02,765 we're just not being listened to, 1309 01:00:02,765 --> 01:00:03,633 we're not being heard. 1310 01:00:03,633 --> 01:00:05,368 Our children are not being heard 1311 01:00:05,368 --> 01:00:08,004 and not being taught about themselves, about their bodies, 1312 01:00:08,004 --> 01:00:09,172 and we're not being educated. 1313 01:00:09,172 --> 01:00:11,040 So, then, you grow up to be an adult 1314 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,308 who then becomes pregnant, 1315 01:00:12,308 --> 01:00:13,643 and we don't think about pregnancy until then. 1316 01:00:13,643 --> 01:00:14,610 - [Speaker] Right. 1317 01:00:14,610 --> 01:00:16,012 - All right, so let's bounce, 1318 01:00:16,012 --> 01:00:18,581 let's get through security, and let's get this done. 1319 01:00:20,917 --> 01:00:24,487 (group members chattering) 1320 01:00:24,487 --> 01:00:25,388 - [Group Member 1] Some of us, 1321 01:00:25,388 --> 01:00:27,357 some of the moms are not here. 1322 01:00:27,357 --> 01:00:30,326 - Too many moms, right? - Three moms are not here. 1323 01:00:30,326 --> 01:00:31,027 - [Group Member 1] And that's why 1324 01:00:31,027 --> 01:00:31,828 we're here today. 1325 01:00:33,062 --> 01:00:36,466 (group members chattering) 1326 01:00:40,236 --> 01:00:44,240 (people chattering indistinctly) 1327 01:00:46,709 --> 01:00:49,145 - [Paula] Imagine if, and just hear me out here, 1328 01:00:49,145 --> 01:00:50,980 two men died every day in America 1329 01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:52,849 as a result of reproduction. 1330 01:00:52,849 --> 01:00:55,184 If their contributions to the birthing process 1331 01:00:55,184 --> 01:00:57,353 were a game of Russian roulette, 1332 01:00:57,353 --> 01:01:00,289 would we stop having sex without medical help? 1333 01:01:00,289 --> 01:01:02,692 Would we tell them, "Well, you know it's a risk 1334 01:01:02,692 --> 01:01:05,228 if you choose to become a daddy?" 1335 01:01:05,228 --> 01:01:06,829 Would we brush these stories under the rug 1336 01:01:06,829 --> 01:01:08,798 and chalk them up to the original sin? 1337 01:01:10,366 --> 01:01:12,535 Well, if the industry that created Viagra 1338 01:01:12,535 --> 01:01:14,203 was anything to go by, 1339 01:01:14,203 --> 01:01:15,772 I'd say that's a probable no. 1340 01:01:18,574 --> 01:01:22,378 (crowd chanting indistinctly) 1341 01:01:24,047 --> 01:01:25,348 And what about feminism? 1342 01:01:26,182 --> 01:01:27,817 Why is that a complicated word? 1343 01:01:29,118 --> 01:01:31,287 - [Interviewer] How do you make sure that younger people 1344 01:01:31,287 --> 01:01:33,356 feel like they can embrace the word feminist? 1345 01:01:33,356 --> 01:01:35,825 - Send them to the dictionary because, if- 1346 01:01:35,825 --> 01:01:37,293 (people laughing) 1347 01:01:37,293 --> 01:01:39,262 No, seriously, because it has been demonized 1348 01:01:39,262 --> 01:01:44,167 by Rush Limbaugh and company into feminazi and man hating. 1349 01:01:44,867 --> 01:01:45,935 There are synonyms. 1350 01:01:45,935 --> 01:01:47,170 We don't have to all use the same word. 1351 01:01:47,170 --> 01:01:49,472 There's mujerista, womanism, 1352 01:01:49,472 --> 01:01:51,974 women's liberation, girrrls with two or three Rs, 1353 01:01:51,974 --> 01:01:54,510 which I love, I think that's great. 1354 01:01:54,510 --> 01:01:55,445 - [Paula] Mother? 1355 01:01:57,380 --> 01:01:59,549 I wonder why I'm not seeing my feminist allies 1356 01:01:59,549 --> 01:02:01,584 show up for the maternal health crisis. 1357 01:02:03,453 --> 01:02:04,954 - I think that motherhood 1358 01:02:04,954 --> 01:02:08,458 is the most extreme expression of femininity, 1359 01:02:08,458 --> 01:02:11,027 and so it is challenged. 1360 01:02:11,027 --> 01:02:12,895 When we talk about motherhood, 1361 01:02:12,895 --> 01:02:15,131 we're talking about both I think of a relationship 1362 01:02:15,131 --> 01:02:17,133 that a parent has with a child 1363 01:02:17,133 --> 01:02:18,601 and the act of birthing children. 1364 01:02:18,601 --> 01:02:20,269 But really, we're talking about how women 1365 01:02:20,269 --> 01:02:21,737 are symbolized in society 1366 01:02:21,737 --> 01:02:24,807 or rather that women have value when it's based 1367 01:02:24,807 --> 01:02:26,843 upon the life of someone else. 1368 01:02:26,843 --> 01:02:28,878 - [Speaker] Sex and race, because they are easy, 1369 01:02:28,878 --> 01:02:30,713 visible differences have been the primary ways 1370 01:02:30,713 --> 01:02:33,549 of organizing human beings into superior 1371 01:02:33,549 --> 01:02:35,184 and inferior groups 1372 01:02:35,184 --> 01:02:38,387 and into the cheap labor on which this system still depends. 1373 01:02:38,387 --> 01:02:40,056 We are talking about a society 1374 01:02:40,056 --> 01:02:41,924 in which there will be no roles 1375 01:02:41,924 --> 01:02:45,428 other than those chosen or those earned. 1376 01:02:45,428 --> 01:02:48,297 We are really talking about humanism. 1377 01:02:48,297 --> 01:02:49,732 - [Paula] And if you're shocked to discover 1378 01:02:49,732 --> 01:02:52,235 that women don't have equal rights under the Constitution, 1379 01:02:52,235 --> 01:02:53,970 you're not alone. 1380 01:02:55,338 --> 01:02:58,307 (singer vocalizing) 1381 01:03:00,576 --> 01:03:02,044 - [Paula] When I first heard about the work 1382 01:03:02,044 --> 01:03:04,547 of National Advocates for Pregnant Women, 1383 01:03:04,547 --> 01:03:06,916 I was like, "How are these cases even real?" 1384 01:03:07,984 --> 01:03:10,653 But on talking to their founder, Lynn Paltrow, 1385 01:03:10,653 --> 01:03:12,555 I discovered the need for legal support 1386 01:03:12,555 --> 01:03:15,725 for pregnant women was terrifyingly important. 1387 01:03:16,726 --> 01:03:18,661 - We really want to ensure 1388 01:03:18,661 --> 01:03:21,397 that pregnant people are recognized 1389 01:03:21,397 --> 01:03:23,566 as having their own personhood 1390 01:03:23,566 --> 01:03:26,936 and are fully included in the US Constitution. 1391 01:03:26,936 --> 01:03:29,539 We live in a country that has a constitution 1392 01:03:29,539 --> 01:03:32,642 and it's been interpreted to protect the right 1393 01:03:32,642 --> 01:03:35,878 to bodily integrity and medical decision making. 1394 01:03:35,878 --> 01:03:38,247 And these are decisions that appear to be, 1395 01:03:38,247 --> 01:03:40,349 and apply to all people. 1396 01:03:40,349 --> 01:03:42,185 But the more cases we deal with, 1397 01:03:42,185 --> 01:03:43,753 the more apparent it becomes 1398 01:03:43,753 --> 01:03:46,923 that people think of pregnant women 1399 01:03:46,923 --> 01:03:49,725 as a separate and unequal class of persons 1400 01:03:49,725 --> 01:03:51,761 who really have no rights at all. 1401 01:03:53,396 --> 01:03:54,630 - I never thought I could be arrested 1402 01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:57,333 for experiencing a tragedy. 1403 01:03:57,333 --> 01:04:00,002 I lost my daughter and then I was prosecuted for it. 1404 01:04:00,002 --> 01:04:02,438 - A pregnant woman shot in the stomach, 1405 01:04:02,438 --> 01:04:04,540 now facing possible manslaughter charges 1406 01:04:04,540 --> 01:04:05,942 for the death of her fetus. 1407 01:04:05,942 --> 01:04:08,110 The shooter not charged in this case. 1408 01:04:08,110 --> 01:04:10,813 Critics calling it a cruel and dangerous new step 1409 01:04:10,813 --> 01:04:13,182 by the state to criminalize pregnancy. 1410 01:04:13,182 --> 01:04:15,618 - [Reporter] Marshae Jones' arrest came some six months 1411 01:04:15,618 --> 01:04:16,953 after the 28-year-old, 1412 01:04:16,953 --> 01:04:19,155 who was five months pregnant at the time, 1413 01:04:19,155 --> 01:04:20,489 was shot in the stomach. 1414 01:04:20,489 --> 01:04:21,991 According to the grand jury indictment, 1415 01:04:21,991 --> 01:04:23,826 Jones intentionally caused the death 1416 01:04:23,826 --> 01:04:26,095 of her unborn baby by initiating a fight 1417 01:04:26,095 --> 01:04:28,264 knowing she was five months pregnant, 1418 01:04:28,264 --> 01:04:31,467 concluding it was caused in a sudden heat of passion. 1419 01:04:31,467 --> 01:04:33,603 - [Paula] Yes, this is real life, 1420 01:04:33,603 --> 01:04:35,771 not a made- for-TV horror movie. 1421 01:04:35,771 --> 01:04:39,108 And even if a criminal complaint could be complex, 1422 01:04:39,108 --> 01:04:40,209 what about a medical one? 1423 01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:44,113 - A young mother of three is suing a New York hospital. 1424 01:04:44,113 --> 01:04:45,114 She claimed she was given 1425 01:04:45,114 --> 01:04:47,350 a cesarean section against her will. 1426 01:04:47,350 --> 01:04:48,918 - [Reporter] 35-year-old Rinat Dray 1427 01:04:48,918 --> 01:04:50,887 is the mother of three boys. 1428 01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:53,756 Her first two were delivered by cesarean section, 1429 01:04:53,756 --> 01:04:56,359 which involved difficult recoveries. 1430 01:04:56,359 --> 01:04:58,194 - Then he said, "It doesn't matter 1431 01:04:58,194 --> 01:04:59,228 that there's good progress. 1432 01:04:59,228 --> 01:05:01,030 "I don't think it's going to be natural. 1433 01:05:01,030 --> 01:05:02,898 I don't have the whole day for you." 1434 01:05:02,898 --> 01:05:05,368 I was begging all the way, 1435 01:05:05,368 --> 01:05:06,636 "Don't do it. 1436 01:05:06,636 --> 01:05:07,970 I feel my baby. Everything's fine. 1437 01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:09,438 Don't do it. Don't do it." 1438 01:05:09,438 --> 01:05:13,676 His answer was just, "Don't speak." 1439 01:05:14,944 --> 01:05:17,079 - She didn't say, "I refuse to have one." 1440 01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:19,282 If you tell me, give me any information 1441 01:05:19,282 --> 01:05:22,084 that my baby's really in jeopardy, I'd agree to it. 1442 01:05:22,084 --> 01:05:25,021 But I'm not seeing anything from anything you're telling me, 1443 01:05:25,021 --> 01:05:26,255 the doula isn't seeing anything 1444 01:05:26,255 --> 01:05:29,025 that says I need to have it right now. 1445 01:05:29,025 --> 01:05:33,462 Unbeknownst to Rinat, the hospital had a written policy, 1446 01:05:33,462 --> 01:05:34,697 not just the practice, 1447 01:05:34,697 --> 01:05:38,267 that authorized doctors to perform surgery 1448 01:05:38,267 --> 01:05:40,102 without a woman's consent. 1449 01:05:40,102 --> 01:05:44,106 In fact, over her explicit, clear refusal 1450 01:05:44,106 --> 01:05:47,576 if they believe that the fetus' life was in jeopardy. 1451 01:05:47,576 --> 01:05:49,679 And the next thing she knew, 1452 01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:52,048 Rinat Dray was wheeled in, 1453 01:05:52,048 --> 01:05:54,317 forced to undergo cesarean surgery, 1454 01:05:54,317 --> 01:05:57,720 and in the process, they damaged her bladder. 1455 01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,355 The defense of what they did, 1456 01:05:59,355 --> 01:06:01,924 cutting this woman open over explicit refusal, 1457 01:06:01,924 --> 01:06:04,794 and, I should add, that they were so confident 1458 01:06:04,794 --> 01:06:07,430 in their right to deny an adult woman 1459 01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:09,065 of her medical decision making, 1460 01:06:09,065 --> 01:06:11,133 that they wrote in her records... 1461 01:06:11,133 --> 01:06:14,337 - [Reporter] "I have decided to override her refusal 1462 01:06:14,337 --> 01:06:15,771 to have a C-section." 1463 01:06:15,771 --> 01:06:17,373 - And the hospital's claims, 1464 01:06:17,373 --> 01:06:22,044 their absolutely vigorous defense of what they did to her, 1465 01:06:22,044 --> 01:06:23,913 over and over says, well yes, 1466 01:06:23,913 --> 01:06:25,548 there is a Patient Bill of Rights in New York 1467 01:06:25,548 --> 01:06:28,551 that requires us to inform patients of all of our policies, 1468 01:06:28,551 --> 01:06:30,219 including the maternal refusal, 1469 01:06:30,219 --> 01:06:32,455 we get to cut you open without your consent policy, 1470 01:06:32,455 --> 01:06:35,391 but it doesn't specifically include pregnant women. 1471 01:06:35,391 --> 01:06:37,360 Their position was pregnant women aren't protected 1472 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:38,728 by the New York State Bill of Rights. 1473 01:06:38,728 --> 01:06:39,929 Their position is women 1474 01:06:39,929 --> 01:06:41,497 aren't protected by the Constitution. 1475 01:06:41,497 --> 01:06:43,632 They're not protected by common law rights. 1476 01:06:43,632 --> 01:06:45,768 That by becoming pregnant, 1477 01:06:45,768 --> 01:06:48,270 a woman takes on the obligation 1478 01:06:48,270 --> 01:06:51,374 to do whatever is in the best interests of the fetus, 1479 01:06:51,374 --> 01:06:55,144 as determined by doctors, judges, anybody but her. 1480 01:06:58,748 --> 01:07:01,717 There are definitely many powerful people 1481 01:07:01,717 --> 01:07:05,087 who believe that undergoing major surgery 1482 01:07:05,087 --> 01:07:07,423 that is a risk to your health, 1483 01:07:07,423 --> 01:07:11,060 is just the burden women bear because they are pregnant. 1484 01:07:13,662 --> 01:07:16,132 We really have not accepted the idea 1485 01:07:16,132 --> 01:07:19,301 that healthcare is a human right for everyone, 1486 01:07:19,301 --> 01:07:22,038 including the people who can get pregnant, 1487 01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:24,740 and that maternal and reproductive rights 1488 01:07:24,740 --> 01:07:28,210 aren't separate, special rights, 1489 01:07:28,210 --> 01:07:31,447 but they are what half of all the human beings need 1490 01:07:31,447 --> 01:07:33,082 in order for their survival, 1491 01:07:33,082 --> 01:07:35,084 and what all human beings need 1492 01:07:35,084 --> 01:07:37,353 for the survival of the species. 1493 01:07:40,990 --> 01:07:42,525 - Most of our laws around abortion 1494 01:07:42,525 --> 01:07:46,362 are kind of understood through the lens of Roe v. Wade. 1495 01:07:48,864 --> 01:07:50,866 When you read the Supreme Court decision, 1496 01:07:50,866 --> 01:07:54,437 it actually is less naming women's ability 1497 01:07:54,437 --> 01:07:56,305 to have access to abortion, 1498 01:07:56,305 --> 01:07:58,174 and more saying that a woman has the right 1499 01:07:58,174 --> 01:08:01,811 to determine when and whether to continue a pregnancy. 1500 01:08:01,811 --> 01:08:04,380 So, it's as much giving women autonomy 1501 01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:06,449 over choosing motherhood 1502 01:08:06,449 --> 01:08:08,984 as it is choosing when not to be mothers. 1503 01:08:13,088 --> 01:08:16,192 - There are many people who are fundamentally 1504 01:08:16,192 --> 01:08:17,860 genuinely opposed to abortion 1505 01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:20,362 for religious, moral, ethical reasons, 1506 01:08:20,362 --> 01:08:23,766 who have not thought through what the consequences 1507 01:08:23,766 --> 01:08:26,802 of their position is if it becomes law. 1508 01:08:26,802 --> 01:08:29,338 Because if it is illegal to have an abortion, 1509 01:08:29,338 --> 01:08:31,273 then the woman who wants a home birth, 1510 01:08:31,273 --> 01:08:34,076 but somebody thinks it endangers the life of the fetus, 1511 01:08:34,076 --> 01:08:35,778 is committing a crime. 1512 01:08:35,778 --> 01:08:37,813 The woman who refuses cesarean surgery 1513 01:08:37,813 --> 01:08:40,349 is no better than the murdering woman 1514 01:08:40,349 --> 01:08:43,519 choosing to end her pregnancy early through an abortion. 1515 01:08:43,519 --> 01:08:46,655 The woman who chooses to continue working 1516 01:08:46,655 --> 01:08:48,090 so she can have healthcare 1517 01:08:48,190 --> 01:08:50,559 to support the children she'll have, and her prenatal care, 1518 01:08:50,559 --> 01:08:53,796 could be endangering the life of her unborn child. 1519 01:08:53,796 --> 01:08:56,765 It is about taking away every right 1520 01:08:56,765 --> 01:08:58,901 we associate with personhood 1521 01:08:58,901 --> 01:09:00,970 from the people who can get pregnant. 1522 01:09:01,971 --> 01:09:03,439 - In the United States, pregnancy, 1523 01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,508 the only coverage you get for pregnancy 1524 01:09:05,508 --> 01:09:08,277 in a workplace situation is a disability. 1525 01:09:08,277 --> 01:09:10,079 You become a little bit of a second class citizen. 1526 01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:13,048 You're not fully capable of executing things. 1527 01:09:13,048 --> 01:09:15,150 That's an example of a lot of the language 1528 01:09:15,150 --> 01:09:18,154 used around birth and parenting and pregnancy. 1529 01:09:18,154 --> 01:09:19,455 It's a little manipulative, 1530 01:09:19,455 --> 01:09:21,657 and I think it's meant to sort of keep people 1531 01:09:21,657 --> 01:09:23,292 in a not so much fearful state, 1532 01:09:23,292 --> 01:09:24,527 but in a dependent state. 1533 01:09:24,527 --> 01:09:28,030 A dependent state upon a medical institution 1534 01:09:28,030 --> 01:09:30,332 that knows what's right for women. 1535 01:09:30,332 --> 01:09:32,801 You also become free public domain. 1536 01:09:32,801 --> 01:09:36,071 I mean, any pregnant woman talks about how all of a sudden 1537 01:09:36,071 --> 01:09:37,606 everybody can come up and touch your belly. 1538 01:09:37,606 --> 01:09:40,109 People can have comments about what you're eating 1539 01:09:40,109 --> 01:09:42,411 and can comment on what you're drinking 1540 01:09:42,411 --> 01:09:45,147 and what you're doing, and you shouldn't be lifting that. 1541 01:09:45,147 --> 01:09:49,919 All of a sudden, your personhood is up to public scrutiny. 1542 01:09:52,521 --> 01:09:56,825 You think that mothers have full choice over their lives, 1543 01:09:56,825 --> 01:09:58,394 and they don't. 1544 01:09:58,394 --> 01:09:59,528 - Equal rights. 1545 01:09:59,528 --> 01:10:01,230 Equal rights to have a job, to have respect, 1546 01:10:01,230 --> 01:10:03,632 and not be viewed as a piece of meat. 1547 01:10:03,632 --> 01:10:05,367 - We get distracted by abortion 1548 01:10:05,367 --> 01:10:07,236 because we think of it as needing our support 1549 01:10:07,236 --> 01:10:09,171 more than mothers need our support. 1550 01:10:09,171 --> 01:10:11,640 But if you look at, you know, a slew of laws 1551 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,843 that have come out in the last several decades, 1552 01:10:14,843 --> 01:10:16,312 they've been very subtle, 1553 01:10:16,312 --> 01:10:19,682 but they've essentially taken the rights of mothers 1554 01:10:19,682 --> 01:10:21,016 out of mothers' control. 1555 01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:24,620 (melancholy music) 1556 01:10:26,622 --> 01:10:28,123 - There are many women who are just ignored 1557 01:10:28,123 --> 01:10:29,491 every day in society, 1558 01:10:29,491 --> 01:10:31,827 and they tend to be Black women and poor women, 1559 01:10:31,827 --> 01:10:33,395 and we just sort of don't see their experience. 1560 01:10:33,395 --> 01:10:35,297 And so, I think when we talk about 1561 01:10:35,297 --> 01:10:36,799 the treatment of pregnant women, 1562 01:10:36,799 --> 01:10:38,634 we're often talking about the treatment of, sort of, 1563 01:10:38,634 --> 01:10:40,436 white privileged people, 1564 01:10:40,436 --> 01:10:44,206 and what's different is that that community of people 1565 01:10:44,206 --> 01:10:47,943 is used to not being scrutinized 1566 01:10:47,943 --> 01:10:50,579 as much as other populations. 1567 01:10:53,949 --> 01:10:57,219 - [Paula] Remember those closed door conversations in D.C.? 1568 01:10:57,219 --> 01:11:00,155 Well, one thing came up again and again. 1569 01:11:00,155 --> 01:11:02,157 - [Speaker 1] I think it's important to understand 1570 01:11:02,157 --> 01:11:04,493 where these numbers are coming from, 1571 01:11:04,493 --> 01:11:08,764 are really a part of systemic racism. 1572 01:11:08,764 --> 01:11:10,299 And if you don't admit that, 1573 01:11:10,299 --> 01:11:11,934 then we're never going to be able 1574 01:11:11,934 --> 01:11:14,570 to change any of these numbers. 1575 01:11:14,570 --> 01:11:17,339 We can talk about them, we can be aghast about them, but- 1576 01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:19,475 - [Speaker 2] You have to acknowledge- 1577 01:11:19,475 --> 01:11:20,309 - [Speaker 1] We have to acknowledge 1578 01:11:20,309 --> 01:11:21,543 the source of the problem. 1579 01:11:24,213 --> 01:11:26,615 (gentle music) 1580 01:11:28,450 --> 01:11:29,652 - [Paula] Although many communities 1581 01:11:29,652 --> 01:11:31,887 are marginalized in many different ways, 1582 01:11:31,887 --> 01:11:34,723 there's something disproportionately going wrong 1583 01:11:34,723 --> 01:11:37,359 for Black and Native women when it comes to childbirth. 1584 01:11:38,961 --> 01:11:42,231 - African American women are facing maternal mortality 1585 01:11:42,231 --> 01:11:45,501 in such a desperate way because racism is real. 1586 01:11:45,501 --> 01:11:47,336 The system of white supremacy is real, 1587 01:11:47,336 --> 01:11:50,105 and it permeates every sector of our lives. 1588 01:11:50,105 --> 01:11:53,375 And so we can't think that the medical industrial complex, 1589 01:11:53,375 --> 01:11:54,710 it doesn't affect that as well. 1590 01:11:54,710 --> 01:11:57,146 And so we have to know that when folks 1591 01:11:57,146 --> 01:11:59,014 are walking into their doctor's offices, 1592 01:11:59,014 --> 01:12:00,683 when folks are going in for care, 1593 01:12:00,683 --> 01:12:01,884 going in to ask questions, 1594 01:12:01,884 --> 01:12:04,286 going in to get what they need for themselves, 1595 01:12:04,286 --> 01:12:07,323 their families, that racism, unfortunately, 1596 01:12:07,323 --> 01:12:09,458 meets a lot of folks at the door. 1597 01:12:10,793 --> 01:12:13,195 - [Paula] Monica came to her place in reproductive justice 1598 01:12:13,195 --> 01:12:14,730 through civil rights work. 1599 01:12:14,730 --> 01:12:17,232 She's also a doula and uniquely placed 1600 01:12:17,232 --> 01:12:18,600 to talk about the intersecting needs 1601 01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,169 of Black mothers in the South. 1602 01:12:21,570 --> 01:12:24,506 - It is astonishing that we are not understanding 1603 01:12:24,506 --> 01:12:27,543 the history that is connected to this issue. 1604 01:12:27,543 --> 01:12:30,646 And sometimes, we see that as a side issue and it's not. 1605 01:12:33,816 --> 01:12:35,184 - For several weeks now, 1606 01:12:35,184 --> 01:12:38,520 we, the Negro citizens of Montgomery, 1607 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,924 have been involved in a nonviolent protest 1608 01:12:41,924 --> 01:12:46,028 against the injustices which we have experienced 1609 01:12:46,028 --> 01:12:48,731 on the buses for a number of years. 1610 01:12:49,865 --> 01:12:50,599 - [Crowd] Black lives matter! 1611 01:12:51,934 --> 01:12:54,136 Black lives matter! 1612 01:12:54,136 --> 01:12:55,104 - Hands up! - Don't shoot! 1613 01:12:55,104 --> 01:12:56,405 - Hands up! - Don't shoot! 1614 01:12:56,405 --> 01:12:57,906 - Hands up! - Don't shoot! 1615 01:12:57,906 --> 01:13:00,209 - Hands up! - Don't shoot! 1616 01:13:00,209 --> 01:13:01,310 - [Crowd] No justice, no peace! 1617 01:13:01,310 --> 01:13:03,312 No justice, no peace! 1618 01:13:03,312 --> 01:13:05,714 No justice, no peace! 1619 01:13:05,714 --> 01:13:07,816 No justice, no peace! 1620 01:13:07,816 --> 01:13:09,418 - It's all connected. 1621 01:13:09,418 --> 01:13:11,453 And if we're not understanding that Black women 1622 01:13:11,453 --> 01:13:13,288 are still at the bottom of the economic scale, 1623 01:13:13,288 --> 01:13:14,456 if we're not understanding 1624 01:13:14,456 --> 01:13:16,291 that there is a deep, deep history, 1625 01:13:16,291 --> 01:13:18,227 especially in the southern region, 1626 01:13:19,294 --> 01:13:21,096 we can't be surprised that, unfortunately, 1627 01:13:21,096 --> 01:13:22,131 rates of maternal mortality 1628 01:13:22,131 --> 01:13:23,665 are gonna continue to increase, 1629 01:13:23,665 --> 01:13:26,935 and that we're going to see disparities continue to rise. 1630 01:13:26,935 --> 01:13:29,238 - When we think about the history of the United States 1631 01:13:29,238 --> 01:13:31,240 and people of color in the United States, 1632 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:32,441 the medical model of care 1633 01:13:32,441 --> 01:13:34,243 was never created to treat people of color. 1634 01:13:34,243 --> 01:13:35,244 It wasn't. 1635 01:13:36,645 --> 01:13:37,946 If you think about the enslavement 1636 01:13:37,946 --> 01:13:40,582 of African people and the emancipation, 1637 01:13:40,582 --> 01:13:44,520 now you have people who are "free." 1638 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,288 Now you have Jim Crow laws. 1639 01:13:46,288 --> 01:13:48,490 So, now, everything is separate. 1640 01:13:48,490 --> 01:13:49,892 Sometimes you didn't even have access 1641 01:13:49,892 --> 01:13:50,793 to get into the hospital. 1642 01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:57,933 This conversation now around maternal mortality, 1643 01:13:57,933 --> 01:13:59,301 Black people have been dying. 1644 01:13:59,301 --> 01:14:02,204 Black women and children have been dying since, 1645 01:14:02,204 --> 01:14:03,705 I mean, I started this work in 2008, 1646 01:14:03,705 --> 01:14:06,475 and the premise of this work was on the foundation of 1647 01:14:06,475 --> 01:14:08,477 wow, Black women and children are dying. 1648 01:14:09,778 --> 01:14:12,114 - [Lynn] In America, Black women are three to four times 1649 01:14:12,114 --> 01:14:14,983 more likely to die due to pregnancy- related causes 1650 01:14:14,983 --> 01:14:15,884 than white women. 1651 01:14:15,884 --> 01:14:16,885 And in New York City, 1652 01:14:16,885 --> 01:14:18,520 they are 12 times more likely to die. 1653 01:14:20,222 --> 01:14:21,590 - [Paula] Chanel runs Ancient Song, 1654 01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:23,859 a community doula service in Brooklyn. 1655 01:14:23,859 --> 01:14:25,894 She is also an educator leading the charge 1656 01:14:25,894 --> 01:14:29,131 on how to combat racial biases in the medical system. 1657 01:14:29,131 --> 01:14:30,799 And probably needs her own TV show. 1658 01:14:32,134 --> 01:14:33,702 - What we continue to see perpetuated 1659 01:14:33,702 --> 01:14:36,471 within the medical model of care is this structure 1660 01:14:36,471 --> 01:14:38,774 that is based on racial ideals 1661 01:14:38,774 --> 01:14:41,543 or perceptions of racial identity 1662 01:14:41,543 --> 01:14:44,847 for Black and brown people that are false concepts. 1663 01:14:49,718 --> 01:14:51,553 - [Reporter] The American College of Obstetricians 1664 01:14:51,553 --> 01:14:53,255 and Gynecologists acknowledge that, 1665 01:14:53,255 --> 01:14:56,358 "The racial and ethnic disparities in women's health, 1666 01:14:56,358 --> 01:14:58,193 including high rates of preterm birth 1667 01:14:58,193 --> 01:14:59,695 and maternal mortality, 1668 01:14:59,695 --> 01:15:03,198 cannot be reversed without addressing racial bias, 1669 01:15:03,198 --> 01:15:05,601 both implicit and explicit." 1670 01:15:06,702 --> 01:15:08,370 - [Paula] Bias by nature is complex. 1671 01:15:08,370 --> 01:15:11,506 But basically, explicit bias is conscious, 1672 01:15:11,506 --> 01:15:13,308 like thinking you're better than someone 1673 01:15:13,308 --> 01:15:15,511 because of the color of their skin or sex. 1674 01:15:16,812 --> 01:15:20,115 But implicit bias is mostly subconscious and not as obvious, 1675 01:15:20,115 --> 01:15:22,885 like assuming the doctor you're about to see will be a man. 1676 01:15:25,854 --> 01:15:29,391 There are many assumptions, both explicit and implicit, 1677 01:15:29,391 --> 01:15:31,226 about why people are more likely 1678 01:15:31,226 --> 01:15:32,861 to die in childbirth than others. 1679 01:15:32,861 --> 01:15:37,032 - Even after we do the adjustments for income, 1680 01:15:37,032 --> 01:15:41,236 for education, this is true across the board. 1681 01:15:41,236 --> 01:15:44,706 This is true for well-educated African American women, 1682 01:15:44,706 --> 01:15:47,542 for wealthy African American women, 1683 01:15:47,542 --> 01:15:49,845 and the best studies that I've seen 1684 01:15:49,845 --> 01:15:53,782 put it down to just one thing: prejudice. 1685 01:15:53,782 --> 01:15:56,351 - Today, a wealthy, well educated African American woman, 1686 01:15:56,351 --> 01:15:57,586 one with a college degree, 1687 01:15:57,586 --> 01:15:59,855 is still more likely to die during childbirth 1688 01:15:59,855 --> 01:16:01,156 or to have her baby die, 1689 01:16:01,156 --> 01:16:02,958 than a poor white woman 1690 01:16:02,958 --> 01:16:04,459 who does not have a high school diploma. 1691 01:16:04,459 --> 01:16:06,628 And you can't explain that by location, 1692 01:16:06,628 --> 01:16:07,763 you can't explain that by education, 1693 01:16:07,763 --> 01:16:08,864 you can't explain that by income, 1694 01:16:08,864 --> 01:16:10,198 you can't explain that by wealth. 1695 01:16:10,198 --> 01:16:14,336 You can't explain that other than by acknowledging 1696 01:16:14,336 --> 01:16:16,672 the fact that there are still vast 1697 01:16:16,672 --> 01:16:19,141 and deep racial disparities in our healthcare system 1698 01:16:19,141 --> 01:16:20,676 and across our country. 1699 01:16:20,676 --> 01:16:22,678 - Doctors, or people in general, 1700 01:16:22,678 --> 01:16:25,414 just don't believe that Black people suffer, 1701 01:16:25,414 --> 01:16:27,883 or we're strong enough to take the pain. 1702 01:16:28,650 --> 01:16:29,952 - [Reporter] Several studies, 1703 01:16:29,952 --> 01:16:31,987 including from the University of Pennsylvania 1704 01:16:31,987 --> 01:16:34,256 and in The New England Journal of Medicine, 1705 01:16:34,256 --> 01:16:35,490 found that Black patients 1706 01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:37,559 with the same symptoms as white ones 1707 01:16:37,559 --> 01:16:39,528 receive less pain medication 1708 01:16:39,528 --> 01:16:41,897 and are referred to specialists less often. 1709 01:16:43,632 --> 01:16:46,635 In a national survey of over 2,000 women, 1710 01:16:46,635 --> 01:16:50,138 21% of Black mothers reported poor treatment 1711 01:16:50,138 --> 01:16:51,573 from hospital staff, 1712 01:16:51,573 --> 01:16:53,842 which they attributed to race, ethnicity, 1713 01:16:53,842 --> 01:16:56,144 cultural background or language. 1714 01:16:56,144 --> 01:17:00,082 Just 8% of white mothers reported similar poor treatment. 1715 01:17:02,384 --> 01:17:04,753 - My wife was not here to raise her sons 1716 01:17:04,753 --> 01:17:06,455 because of the color of her skin. 1717 01:17:09,791 --> 01:17:11,426 One of the things that I struggle with all the time is, 1718 01:17:11,426 --> 01:17:13,328 what else could I have done? 1719 01:17:13,328 --> 01:17:14,363 What could I have done differently? 1720 01:17:14,363 --> 01:17:15,831 What could I have done more of? 1721 01:17:15,831 --> 01:17:18,500 Maybe if I had grabbed the doctor by his collar, 1722 01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:20,535 maybe if I had gotten irate, 1723 01:17:20,535 --> 01:17:23,605 maybe if I had turned over a table, 1724 01:17:23,605 --> 01:17:25,073 maybe if I had made a scene, 1725 01:17:25,073 --> 01:17:26,875 maybe they would have taken Kira more seriously, 1726 01:17:26,875 --> 01:17:28,910 maybe they would have moved with more urgency. 1727 01:17:28,910 --> 01:17:31,380 But in the moment, I was thinking, 1728 01:17:31,380 --> 01:17:34,383 "I'm a Black man at this hospital 1729 01:17:34,383 --> 01:17:35,684 and I have to stay under control 1730 01:17:35,684 --> 01:17:37,552 because I don't want to be seen as a threat." 1731 01:17:37,552 --> 01:17:39,588 Because if I'm seen as a threat, 1732 01:17:39,588 --> 01:17:41,757 and I get removed from the hospital, 1733 01:17:41,757 --> 01:17:44,393 then who's advocating for my wife?" 1734 01:17:44,393 --> 01:17:47,362 - Interesting thing about white supremacy and capitalism, 1735 01:17:47,362 --> 01:17:50,565 it's not this one answer, right? 1736 01:17:50,565 --> 01:17:52,367 It's so intricate. 1737 01:17:52,367 --> 01:17:56,938 It's so deeply thought out in detail. 1738 01:17:58,006 --> 01:18:00,142 Put the light skin against the dark skin. 1739 01:18:00,142 --> 01:18:01,510 Put the old against the young. 1740 01:18:01,510 --> 01:18:03,779 Put the men against the women. 1741 01:18:03,779 --> 01:18:06,581 - You know, I have two sons, I have four daughters, 1742 01:18:06,581 --> 01:18:07,816 and I have to consistently worry 1743 01:18:07,816 --> 01:18:09,851 about how the world sees them 1744 01:18:09,851 --> 01:18:12,554 and their perception of a young Black man 1745 01:18:12,554 --> 01:18:15,724 or their perception of young Black women. 1746 01:18:15,724 --> 01:18:16,958 You know, when you become pregnant, 1747 01:18:16,958 --> 01:18:18,660 you shouldn't have to think about that. 1748 01:18:18,660 --> 01:18:20,729 Your choice shouldn't have to be based on 1749 01:18:20,729 --> 01:18:23,698 do I want to have a child and think about, 1750 01:18:23,698 --> 01:18:25,901 well, you know, right now, they're cute, 1751 01:18:25,901 --> 01:18:27,903 and you see them as cute 'cause they're a baby. 1752 01:18:27,903 --> 01:18:30,138 But when they're 10-years-old, they're a threat. 1753 01:18:32,374 --> 01:18:34,976 And I'm tired of just living in a mode of survival. 1754 01:18:34,976 --> 01:18:38,580 Like we now are at a point of, no, 1755 01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:40,515 we need to thrive, you know? 1756 01:18:40,515 --> 01:18:43,852 And that is only going to come with, 1757 01:18:43,852 --> 01:18:45,787 with people, with allies, 1758 01:18:45,787 --> 01:18:49,324 with individuals purposely stepping aside 1759 01:18:49,324 --> 01:18:51,159 or either stepping up and saying 1760 01:18:51,159 --> 01:18:53,195 we need to open these doors. 1761 01:18:53,195 --> 01:18:55,530 We need to change these frameworks. 1762 01:18:55,530 --> 01:18:58,266 We need to deconstruct these ideals 1763 01:18:58,266 --> 01:19:02,104 and our perceptions of one another based on, 1764 01:19:03,105 --> 01:19:05,373 you know, these socialized ideals 1765 01:19:05,373 --> 01:19:07,909 to see one person above the other. 1766 01:19:07,909 --> 01:19:10,112 Because at the end of the day, we all bleed the same. 1767 01:19:10,112 --> 01:19:12,848 At the end of the day, we all live and we all die. 1768 01:19:12,848 --> 01:19:16,318 And all people ever really want to do is just, 1769 01:19:16,318 --> 01:19:18,453 you want to know that you can live in a place 1770 01:19:18,453 --> 01:19:19,821 where you feel free. 1771 01:19:21,223 --> 01:19:24,993 (soft dramatic orchestral music) 1772 01:19:39,875 --> 01:19:42,010 - [Paula] Given that things are continuing to get worse, 1773 01:19:42,010 --> 01:19:44,980 I felt like we just couldn't sit back and do nothing. 1774 01:19:44,980 --> 01:19:47,082 So, I wondered if we could fight the system 1775 01:19:47,082 --> 01:19:50,952 of a lack of education and fear by changing the conversation 1776 01:19:50,952 --> 01:19:53,822 the American way: with advertising. 1777 01:19:53,822 --> 01:19:56,958 So, I approached Ad Age's 2019 Agency of the Year, 1778 01:19:56,958 --> 01:19:59,561 Mother, to ask them why they thought birth 1779 01:19:59,561 --> 01:20:01,863 was so badly branded in a country 1780 01:20:01,863 --> 01:20:03,932 where it was a commercial enterprise. 1781 01:20:05,167 --> 01:20:08,937 As non-mothers, we feel like they know a lot about the word. 1782 01:20:08,937 --> 01:20:10,572 What do you think about that? 1783 01:20:12,340 --> 01:20:14,176 (all laughing) 1784 01:20:14,176 --> 01:20:16,344 - When I was pregnant, my mom said, I quote, 1785 01:20:16,344 --> 01:20:17,679 "They cut me from hole to hole." 1786 01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:19,247 - [Chanel] What? 1787 01:20:19,347 --> 01:20:21,283 - So, that was, like, made me so excited about giving birth. 1788 01:20:21,283 --> 01:20:23,051 - I don't know if I want to have kids or not, 1789 01:20:23,051 --> 01:20:24,886 but I was like, there's no way 1790 01:20:24,886 --> 01:20:27,088 I would survive a birth like that. 1791 01:20:27,088 --> 01:20:28,990 And I didn't have that recently. 1792 01:20:28,990 --> 01:20:31,026 I had that thought when I was younger. 1793 01:20:31,026 --> 01:20:32,460 I don't know where that came from, 1794 01:20:32,460 --> 01:20:34,162 but I was like, "There's no way. 1795 01:20:34,162 --> 01:20:35,897 That looks crazy." 1796 01:20:35,897 --> 01:20:37,766 - How do we change that conversation, 1797 01:20:37,766 --> 01:20:39,668 that every time you speak about it, 1798 01:20:39,668 --> 01:20:41,336 doesn't mean I'm about to become pregnant, 1799 01:20:41,336 --> 01:20:44,339 or something disgusting is going to happen, 1800 01:20:44,339 --> 01:20:47,576 or men don't, suddenly, they just like shrink, you know? 1801 01:20:47,576 --> 01:20:50,178 I'm like how do we change that? 1802 01:20:50,178 --> 01:20:53,715 How can we have a normal dialogue about it as mothers, 1803 01:20:53,715 --> 01:20:56,985 non-mothers, as human beings in society? 1804 01:20:56,985 --> 01:20:59,154 It's really hard to advocate for mothers. 1805 01:20:59,154 --> 01:21:02,390 You know, it's hard to get brands onboard for it 1806 01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:03,825 because it's not exciting. 1807 01:21:04,693 --> 01:21:06,261 It doesn't feel contemporary. 1808 01:21:06,261 --> 01:21:07,929 They're like, "Mothers, you guys have been around a while." 1809 01:21:07,929 --> 01:21:11,566 You know? (all laughing) 1810 01:21:11,566 --> 01:21:12,734 You're not a new thing. 1811 01:21:12,734 --> 01:21:14,669 - [Chanel] They're gonna go out of style. 1812 01:21:14,669 --> 01:21:16,171 - So, that's also the big challenge, 1813 01:21:16,171 --> 01:21:18,073 how do we make this feel fresh for people 1814 01:21:18,073 --> 01:21:20,909 and something that they should be revisiting? 1815 01:21:20,909 --> 01:21:22,143 - Women should be entitled 1816 01:21:22,143 --> 01:21:24,112 to have whatever type of birth they want, 1817 01:21:24,112 --> 01:21:26,681 but it's harder to kind of know what those resources are 1818 01:21:26,681 --> 01:21:28,283 from the industry standpoint, 1819 01:21:28,283 --> 01:21:30,685 but also when the cultural ecosystem 1820 01:21:30,685 --> 01:21:33,622 and narrative ecosystem is so narrow minded 1821 01:21:33,622 --> 01:21:35,123 and scary for women. 1822 01:21:35,123 --> 01:21:38,026 And when you create that cultural fear, 1823 01:21:38,026 --> 01:21:40,061 you're more likely to just relinquish control. 1824 01:21:40,061 --> 01:21:41,363 You walk into the hospital, you're like, 1825 01:21:41,363 --> 01:21:42,230 "Put me under. 1826 01:21:42,230 --> 01:21:43,765 Give me the epidural. 1827 01:21:43,765 --> 01:21:45,000 I don't care what you do, 1828 01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:46,334 I just want this to be over." 1829 01:21:46,334 --> 01:21:48,703 Which, like, is not how anyone, I don't know, 1830 01:21:48,703 --> 01:21:49,871 that's not what birth should be. 1831 01:21:49,871 --> 01:21:51,106 Birth is an amazing thing. 1832 01:21:51,106 --> 01:21:52,574 - We just put big bold billboards of 1833 01:21:52,574 --> 01:21:53,875 "We have hope," 1834 01:21:53,875 --> 01:21:55,210 and people are like, "Is this a cult?" 1835 01:21:55,210 --> 01:21:57,345 (all laughing) 1836 01:21:57,345 --> 01:21:58,913 Like, "No. Pregnancy." 1837 01:21:58,913 --> 01:22:00,181 You have to have hope for your children, 1838 01:22:00,181 --> 01:22:02,183 you have to have hope for yourself. 1839 01:22:02,183 --> 01:22:05,720 You know, it's an act of hope in itself, 1840 01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,856 to bring another person into the world. 1841 01:22:07,856 --> 01:22:10,191 - And to want to see them... 1842 01:22:10,191 --> 01:22:12,560 You know, I know for me, doing this work, 1843 01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,429 I want to see my children be able to live in a world 1844 01:22:14,429 --> 01:22:18,066 where they are seen and they can have hope, too. 1845 01:22:18,066 --> 01:22:20,135 They can have some kind of foundation that, 1846 01:22:21,369 --> 01:22:23,371 yeah, sees the humanity. 1847 01:22:23,371 --> 01:22:25,874 Where we see the humanity in each other, right? 1848 01:22:25,874 --> 01:22:28,910 And it just resonates in such a way where, 1849 01:22:30,245 --> 01:22:31,980 I don't know, maybe I'm being idealistic and utopic, 1850 01:22:31,980 --> 01:22:36,117 but, you know, that just can bring pure joy 1851 01:22:36,117 --> 01:22:38,420 to someone's life on a consistent basis. 1852 01:22:38,420 --> 01:22:40,021 Because when you look in children's eyes 1853 01:22:40,021 --> 01:22:44,726 and you see the level of just purity that comes across, 1854 01:22:46,361 --> 01:22:49,064 it's like why wouldn't you treat the vessel 1855 01:22:49,064 --> 01:22:52,400 that produced that with the same level of, 1856 01:22:54,836 --> 01:22:57,305 of sanctity that it deserves? 1857 01:22:57,305 --> 01:23:00,742 If you can see how joyful children are, 1858 01:23:00,742 --> 01:23:05,580 and it's that sheer, like, pure, unconditional love, 1859 01:23:05,580 --> 01:23:07,349 why wouldn't you want the person 1860 01:23:07,349 --> 01:23:10,118 that is going to be carrying that to have that same thing? 1861 01:23:12,787 --> 01:23:16,057 (gentle orchestral music) 137653

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