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This monster. 2 00:01:06,534 --> 00:01:09,435 Mark levin: She has no respect for the traditions 3 00:01:09,437 --> 00:01:10,436 of our constitution, none. 4 00:01:10,438 --> 00:01:14,907 Donald trump: An absolute disgrace to the supreme court. 5 00:01:14,909 --> 00:01:17,709 Rick wiles: She's one of the most vile human beings. 6 00:01:17,711 --> 00:01:19,144 Scott lively: She's very wicked, yeah. 7 00:01:19,146 --> 00:01:21,180 Michael savage: She's anti-American. 8 00:01:21,182 --> 00:01:22,147 Bill O'Reilly: She's a zombie. 9 00:01:22,149 --> 00:01:26,051 The woman's a zombie, Ruth bader ginsburg. 10 00:01:31,558 --> 00:01:35,894 Ruth bader ginsburg: I ask no favor for my sex. 11 00:01:35,896 --> 00:01:38,497 All I ask of our brethren... 12 00:01:38,499 --> 00:01:43,235 Is that they take their feet off our necks. 13 00:02:07,328 --> 00:02:12,464 Twenty-six, 25, 24, 23, 21, 20, 19 14 00:02:22,376 --> 00:02:25,110 announcer: Justice Ruth bader ginsburg. 15 00:02:33,087 --> 00:02:38,790 - Nina totenberg: How's your health? - Uh, I'm feeling just fine. 16 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,995 Here now to comment is Ruth bader ginsburg. 17 00:02:44,197 --> 00:02:47,733 Totenberg: It's an amazing thing to see somebody in her 80s 18 00:02:47,735 --> 00:02:51,436 - become such an icon. - Do you mind signing this copy? 19 00:02:51,438 --> 00:02:55,474 I am 84 years old and everyone wants to take a picture with me. 20 00:02:55,476 --> 00:02:58,544 She is really, when you come right down to it, 21 00:02:58,546 --> 00:03:00,312 the closest thing to a superhero I know. 22 00:03:05,286 --> 00:03:08,954 They call her notorious rbg, that's her rap name. 23 00:03:08,956 --> 00:03:10,622 - Notorious r... - Rbg. 24 00:03:10,624 --> 00:03:15,794 - Yeah, no, no, rgb. Rbg right. - The notorious... 25 00:03:16,830 --> 00:03:17,930 News anchor: Supreme court justice, 26 00:03:17,932 --> 00:03:19,932 Ruth bader ginsburg getting a lot of attention 27 00:03:19,934 --> 00:03:21,833 after she delivered a scathing dissent. 28 00:03:21,835 --> 00:03:24,603 Whether you agree with her or not, you got to acknowledge 29 00:03:24,605 --> 00:03:26,305 she's been a force on that court. 30 00:03:26,307 --> 00:03:28,507 Liberal hero, Ruth bader ginsburg. 31 00:03:28,509 --> 00:03:29,975 As much as people admire her, 32 00:03:29,977 --> 00:03:32,144 they don't even know the half of it. 33 00:03:32,146 --> 00:03:33,845 Kathleen peratis: She was the queen. 34 00:03:33,847 --> 00:03:35,781 Harry Edwards: Ruth knew what she was doing 35 00:03:35,783 --> 00:03:36,682 in laying the foundation. 36 00:03:36,684 --> 00:03:41,053 Arthur Miller: To put women on exactly the same plane as men. 37 00:03:41,055 --> 00:03:42,154 Totenberg: Ruth bader ginsburg 38 00:03:42,156 --> 00:03:45,991 quite literally changed the way the world is for American women. 39 00:03:45,993 --> 00:03:52,164 Twelve, 11, ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five... 40 00:03:52,166 --> 00:03:56,001 Joe biden: Today the senate judiciary committee welcomes 41 00:03:56,003 --> 00:03:57,803 judge Ruth bader ginsburg, 42 00:03:57,805 --> 00:04:00,439 the president's nominee to be associate justice 43 00:04:00,441 --> 00:04:03,275 of the United States supreme court. 44 00:04:13,454 --> 00:04:17,089 Judge do you swear the testimony you are about to give 45 00:04:17,091 --> 00:04:20,125 will be the whole truth and nothing but the truth, 46 00:04:20,127 --> 00:04:21,159 so help you god? 47 00:04:21,161 --> 00:04:24,263 - I do, Mr. chairman. - Thank you. 48 00:04:25,198 --> 00:04:30,035 I am a brooklynite, born and bred... 49 00:04:30,037 --> 00:04:34,673 A first-generation American on my father's side... 50 00:04:34,741 --> 00:04:38,644 Barely second-generation on my mother's. 51 00:04:38,646 --> 00:04:42,948 What has become of me could happen... 52 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:44,883 Only in America. 53 00:04:52,058 --> 00:04:56,528 Ruth: Neither of my parents had the means to attend college, 54 00:04:56,530 --> 00:05:01,066 but both taught me to love learning... 55 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,168 To care about people... 56 00:05:03,170 --> 00:05:09,908 And to work hard for whatever I wanted or believed in. 57 00:05:10,510 --> 00:05:13,945 Ruth: My father was from Odessa 58 00:05:13,947 --> 00:05:16,014 and during his growing up years, 59 00:05:16,016 --> 00:05:20,752 Jews were no longer admitted to the Russian schools. 60 00:05:20,754 --> 00:05:24,189 Education was terribly important. 61 00:05:24,557 --> 00:05:28,160 My mother was loving but also very strict, 62 00:05:28,162 --> 00:05:33,265 making sure I that I did my... Homework, practice the piano, 63 00:05:33,267 --> 00:05:36,835 didn't stay out jumping rope too long. 64 00:05:38,838 --> 00:05:41,273 I loved to do the things that boys did, 65 00:05:41,275 --> 00:05:42,341 when I was growing up. 66 00:05:42,343 --> 00:05:45,744 One of our favorite things was climbing garage roofs 67 00:05:45,746 --> 00:05:48,880 from one roof to another, leaping... 68 00:05:49,649 --> 00:05:50,849 Leaping over. 69 00:05:50,851 --> 00:05:54,019 Justice ginsburg, we cannot call Ruth. 70 00:05:54,021 --> 00:05:56,555 - Right. - We call her kiki. 71 00:05:57,090 --> 00:05:58,023 Ann kittener: She was beautiful. 72 00:05:58,025 --> 00:06:01,326 Big beautiful blue eyes, which you really can't see 73 00:06:01,328 --> 00:06:05,997 very well behind her glasses, very soft brown hair. 74 00:06:05,999 --> 00:06:08,700 She had this kind of quiet magnetism 75 00:06:08,702 --> 00:06:10,302 even though she was not effusive. 76 00:06:10,304 --> 00:06:12,771 Harryette helsel: You always thought that she wasn't listening 77 00:06:12,773 --> 00:06:15,741 and that she didn't know what was going on 78 00:06:15,743 --> 00:06:17,142 but she knew what was going on. 79 00:06:17,144 --> 00:06:19,378 - She didn't do small talk. - No, no small talk. 80 00:06:19,380 --> 00:06:22,514 And she didn't do girl chat and she didn't get on the phone 81 00:06:22,516 --> 00:06:25,851 and talk with us about what happened on the weekend. 82 00:06:25,853 --> 00:06:27,886 She's a deep thinker. 83 00:06:29,188 --> 00:06:30,655 - She's an only child. - No... 84 00:06:30,657 --> 00:06:33,425 She had a sister, I didn't know her sister. 85 00:06:33,427 --> 00:06:35,727 - Her sister passed away. - Right. 86 00:06:35,729 --> 00:06:38,830 Helsel: But she and her mom were very close, 87 00:06:38,832 --> 00:06:41,233 very, very close. 88 00:06:41,300 --> 00:06:46,071 Ruth: My mother died when I was 17. 89 00:06:46,073 --> 00:06:50,275 I wish I could've had her... Longer. 90 00:06:51,811 --> 00:06:55,414 Well, her mother must have been a very steely person 91 00:06:55,416 --> 00:06:59,484 because she had cancer a long time 92 00:06:59,552 --> 00:07:00,919 and... and lived 93 00:07:00,921 --> 00:07:05,357 trying to get her child through high school. 94 00:07:05,491 --> 00:07:08,660 Kittener: We were supposed to be at graduation. 95 00:07:08,662 --> 00:07:12,297 And then the night before we got a message 96 00:07:12,299 --> 00:07:15,167 that she would not be able to be part of this. 97 00:07:15,169 --> 00:07:18,703 We knew then that her mother had passed away. 98 00:07:18,705 --> 00:07:26,111 Ruth: She had two... lessons that she repeated over and over. 99 00:07:26,345 --> 00:07:28,113 "Be a lady..." 100 00:07:28,214 --> 00:07:30,549 And "be independent." 101 00:07:30,551 --> 00:07:35,854 "Be a lady" meant don't allow yourself to be overcome 102 00:07:35,856 --> 00:07:39,658 by useless emotions like anger. 103 00:07:39,660 --> 00:07:43,228 And by "independent," she meant... 104 00:07:43,496 --> 00:07:46,765 It would be fine if you met prince charming 105 00:07:46,767 --> 00:07:51,002 and lived happily ever after. But... 106 00:07:51,637 --> 00:07:54,306 Be able to fend for yourself. 107 00:07:55,675 --> 00:08:01,112 In my lifetime, I expect to see three, four, 108 00:08:01,114 --> 00:08:05,350 perhaps even more women on the high court bench. 109 00:08:05,352 --> 00:08:08,887 Women not shaped from the same mold, 110 00:08:08,889 --> 00:08:12,123 but of different complexions. 111 00:08:12,492 --> 00:08:17,295 I surely would not be in this room today... 112 00:08:17,463 --> 00:08:19,631 Without the determined efforts 113 00:08:19,633 --> 00:08:26,338 of men and women who kept dreams of equal citizenship alive. 114 00:08:27,406 --> 00:08:32,043 I have had the great good fortune to share life... 115 00:08:32,144 --> 00:08:34,112 With a partner. 116 00:08:34,114 --> 00:08:38,450 Truly extraordinary for his generation... 117 00:08:39,218 --> 00:08:44,322 A man who believed at age 18, when we met, 118 00:08:44,624 --> 00:08:46,725 that a woman's work, 119 00:08:46,727 --> 00:08:50,195 whether at home or on the job... 120 00:08:50,596 --> 00:08:54,933 Is as important as a man's. 121 00:08:56,235 --> 00:09:00,605 I became a lawyer... in days... 122 00:09:00,673 --> 00:09:02,340 When women were not wanted 123 00:09:02,342 --> 00:09:06,378 by most members of the legal profession. 124 00:09:06,712 --> 00:09:12,117 I became a lawyer because Marty supported that choice... 125 00:09:12,119 --> 00:09:14,085 Unreservedly. 126 00:09:19,292 --> 00:09:21,960 Totenberg: So what was it about Marty? 127 00:09:29,201 --> 00:09:34,105 Ruth: Marty and I met when I was 17, he was 18. 128 00:09:34,107 --> 00:09:36,374 I was in college. 129 00:09:38,210 --> 00:09:41,780 Cornell was a preferred school for... 130 00:09:41,782 --> 00:09:43,615 For daughters. 131 00:09:47,887 --> 00:09:53,858 In those days, there was a strict quota for women. 132 00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:58,496 There were four men to every woman... 133 00:09:58,498 --> 00:10:03,535 So for parents, Cornell was the ideal place to send a girl. 134 00:10:04,271 --> 00:10:07,939 If she couldn't find her man there, she was hopeless. 135 00:10:09,208 --> 00:10:15,680 My first semester at Cornell, i never did a repeat date. 136 00:10:20,554 --> 00:10:23,254 Ruth: But then I met Marty, and there was something 137 00:10:23,256 --> 00:10:25,957 amazingly wonderful about this man. 138 00:10:25,959 --> 00:10:32,197 He was the first boy I ever knew who cared that I had a brain. 139 00:10:32,199 --> 00:10:36,234 Most guys in the '50s didn't. 140 00:10:36,669 --> 00:10:39,671 One of the sadnesses about the brilliant girls 141 00:10:39,673 --> 00:10:44,776 who attended Cornell is that they kind of suppressed 142 00:10:44,778 --> 00:10:46,611 how smart they were. 143 00:10:46,613 --> 00:10:52,550 But Marty was so confident of his own ability... 144 00:10:52,552 --> 00:10:53,618 So comfortable with himself, 145 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:59,557 that he never regarded me as any kind of a threat. 146 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:04,763 We all were struck by the tremendous difference 147 00:11:04,765 --> 00:11:07,966 between Marty... and Ruth. 148 00:11:07,968 --> 00:11:14,439 Marty was the most gregarious, outgoing, life-of-the-party. 149 00:11:14,707 --> 00:11:18,343 Ruth was a really quite... 150 00:11:18,611 --> 00:11:20,912 Recessive in a way... 151 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:28,553 Shy, quiet, soft voice but they worked, they worked. 152 00:11:38,731 --> 00:11:40,899 Oh, he's so young. 153 00:11:43,335 --> 00:11:44,169 Ruth: Meeting Marty... 154 00:11:44,171 --> 00:11:48,807 Was by far the most fortunate thing that ever happened to me. 155 00:11:48,809 --> 00:11:53,011 Marty was a man blessed with a wonderful sense of humor. 156 00:11:53,013 --> 00:11:55,680 I tend to be rather sober. 157 00:11:58,050 --> 00:12:03,154 In those days, it was not a great time for our country. 158 00:12:03,156 --> 00:12:07,292 There was a red scare abroad in the land. 159 00:12:07,294 --> 00:12:08,626 Are you a member of the communist party 160 00:12:08,628 --> 00:12:11,963 or have you ever been a member of the communist party? 161 00:12:11,965 --> 00:12:14,666 It's unfortunate and tragic that I have to teach 162 00:12:14,668 --> 00:12:17,035 this committee the principles of americanism. 163 00:12:17,037 --> 00:12:19,304 Chairman: That's not the question. 164 00:12:19,306 --> 00:12:21,139 Ruth: I had a government professor 165 00:12:21,141 --> 00:12:25,610 and he wanted me to see that our country was straying 166 00:12:25,612 --> 00:12:27,912 from its most basic values 167 00:12:27,914 --> 00:12:29,481 by some of our politicians 168 00:12:29,483 --> 00:12:33,017 who were seeing a communist in every closet. 169 00:12:33,019 --> 00:12:34,219 But that there were lawyers, 170 00:12:34,221 --> 00:12:38,223 who were defending the rights of these people to think, 171 00:12:38,225 --> 00:12:41,459 to speak, to write freely. 172 00:12:41,461 --> 00:12:42,560 Chairman: Stand away from the stand! 173 00:12:42,562 --> 00:12:44,562 Fight for the bill of rights you're trying to destroy. 174 00:12:44,564 --> 00:12:46,164 Chairman: Officer, take this man 175 00:12:46,166 --> 00:12:48,099 away from the stand. 176 00:12:48,501 --> 00:12:52,637 Ruth: And then I got the idea that you could do something 177 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:57,175 that would make your society a little better. 178 00:12:57,676 --> 00:13:01,646 My family had some reservations about this... 179 00:13:01,714 --> 00:13:06,317 But then when I married at the end of college, 180 00:13:06,319 --> 00:13:11,556 my family said, if she wants to be a lawyer let her try. 181 00:13:11,558 --> 00:13:13,691 If she can't succeed... 182 00:13:13,693 --> 00:13:17,495 She will have a husband to support her. 183 00:13:20,332 --> 00:13:22,834 That's me waiting to get my diploma, very happy. 184 00:13:22,836 --> 00:13:26,771 - Yeah, see? That's a nice one. - That's cute. Yeah. 185 00:13:26,773 --> 00:13:30,375 So, we have a whole slew of pictures. 186 00:13:30,377 --> 00:13:33,845 They took them from every possible angle. 187 00:13:33,913 --> 00:13:35,580 You know who that is? 188 00:13:35,948 --> 00:13:36,414 No. 189 00:13:36,416 --> 00:13:40,618 - It's Dean minow. - Oh. Dean minow is so small. 190 00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:41,686 We're the same height! 191 00:13:41,688 --> 00:13:44,756 She's not that small, she's probably taller than you. 192 00:13:44,758 --> 00:13:45,590 There's somebody in there. 193 00:13:45,592 --> 00:13:47,559 Clara spera: My brother and cousins and I all call her bubbe. 194 00:13:47,561 --> 00:13:50,528 It's the yiddish word for grandmother. 195 00:13:50,530 --> 00:13:53,531 It's what we've always called bubbe. 196 00:13:53,533 --> 00:13:55,533 - Spera: Bubbe! - Yes? 197 00:13:55,535 --> 00:13:58,837 Spera: Do you know if you have fake sugar like splenda 198 00:13:58,839 --> 00:14:03,007 - or sweet n low? - Yes, it should be someplace... 199 00:14:03,009 --> 00:14:04,642 Spera: That's helpful. 200 00:14:04,644 --> 00:14:05,410 I feel like I have 201 00:14:05,412 --> 00:14:08,413 my grandmotherly relationship with her but also somewhat 202 00:14:08,415 --> 00:14:11,683 of a student scholarly relationship to her as well now. 203 00:14:11,685 --> 00:14:14,586 She taught me that the way to win an argument 204 00:14:14,588 --> 00:14:15,720 is not to yell. 205 00:14:15,722 --> 00:14:19,023 Because often that will turn people away more so, 206 00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:20,458 than bringing them to your table. 207 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:23,027 Spera: I don't know what that says... 208 00:14:24,396 --> 00:14:25,096 I can't tell if... 209 00:14:25,098 --> 00:14:28,566 For extraordinary dedication to the Harvard law school 210 00:14:28,568 --> 00:14:29,868 and efforts on its behalf. 211 00:14:29,870 --> 00:14:32,470 You know, this was the 200th year of Harvard. 212 00:14:32,472 --> 00:14:36,541 So, it took 200 years for us... We were the first class 213 00:14:36,543 --> 00:14:38,209 that was 50/50 women. 214 00:14:38,211 --> 00:14:41,479 So 50 percent men... We were the first class. 215 00:14:41,481 --> 00:14:43,915 It takes 200... no. Yeah. 216 00:14:51,624 --> 00:14:55,293 Miller: Women did not come into the Harvard law school 217 00:14:55,295 --> 00:14:57,362 until the very early '50s. 218 00:14:57,364 --> 00:15:01,499 Two percent was about what it was back then. 219 00:15:01,501 --> 00:15:07,272 How did it feel to be one of nine women in a class of... 220 00:15:07,873 --> 00:15:10,308 Over 500 men? 221 00:15:13,345 --> 00:15:16,581 You felt you were constantly on display. 222 00:15:16,583 --> 00:15:19,083 So if you were called on in class, 223 00:15:19,085 --> 00:15:22,020 you felt that, if you didn't perform well, 224 00:15:22,022 --> 00:15:26,090 that you were failing not just for yourself but for all women. 225 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,693 You also had the uncomfortable feeling 226 00:15:28,695 --> 00:15:31,129 that you were being watched. 227 00:15:31,764 --> 00:15:32,630 American antitrust policy... 228 00:15:32,632 --> 00:15:34,365 Brenda feigen: Harvard was a socratic method. 229 00:15:34,367 --> 00:15:36,134 So the professor would ask a question 230 00:15:36,136 --> 00:15:38,269 and then you would be called on to answer. 231 00:15:38,271 --> 00:15:40,872 The way it worked with women was they didn't call on us. 232 00:15:40,874 --> 00:15:42,540 I think they were afraid, we would sort of wither 233 00:15:42,542 --> 00:15:46,210 if we were subjected to that kind of questioning. 234 00:15:46,212 --> 00:15:50,949 Ruth: When I was sent to check a periodical, in lamont library 235 00:15:50,951 --> 00:15:54,419 in the old periodical room. There was... 236 00:15:54,421 --> 00:15:57,188 A man at the door and he said, "you can't come in." 237 00:15:57,190 --> 00:15:59,724 "Well, why can't I come in?" "Because you're a female." 238 00:15:59,726 --> 00:16:04,929 There was nothing I could say, this was a university employee, 239 00:16:04,931 --> 00:16:08,032 you can't come into that room. 240 00:16:08,034 --> 00:16:10,735 Ruth: And then there was the Dean's famous dinner 241 00:16:10,737 --> 00:16:13,271 for the women in the first year class. 242 00:16:13,273 --> 00:16:18,576 He asked each of us to stand up and tell him what we were doing 243 00:16:18,578 --> 00:16:20,578 taking a seat... 244 00:16:20,580 --> 00:16:23,815 That could be occupied by a man. 245 00:16:24,049 --> 00:16:26,284 Ruth: There were many indignities 246 00:16:26,286 --> 00:16:31,155 that one took as just part of the scenery the way it was. 247 00:16:36,362 --> 00:16:37,595 When I got to Harvard law school 248 00:16:37,597 --> 00:16:40,732 and I'm really intimidated first year, Marty was saying, 249 00:16:40,734 --> 00:16:43,301 "oh my wife. She's going to be on the law review." 250 00:16:43,303 --> 00:16:48,439 There was a woman in the class ahead of mine and she said, 251 00:16:48,441 --> 00:16:50,041 "this husband of yours is boasting 252 00:16:50,043 --> 00:16:52,410 that you're going to be on the law review, 253 00:16:52,412 --> 00:16:54,145 you look like a little twerp!" 254 00:16:54,147 --> 00:16:57,281 To make the law review, in those days you had to be 255 00:16:57,283 --> 00:17:03,755 in the top 25 academically, of 530, 540. 256 00:17:03,757 --> 00:17:07,125 Her second year she makes the law review. 257 00:17:07,127 --> 00:17:12,697 So the mere fact marked her as something special. 258 00:17:13,465 --> 00:17:14,499 Ruth: It turned out, 259 00:17:14,501 --> 00:17:19,003 that I did very well the first year and I attributed 260 00:17:19,005 --> 00:17:22,974 to having something very important in my life 261 00:17:22,976 --> 00:17:25,276 that wasn't the law books. 262 00:17:27,212 --> 00:17:33,217 I came to Harvard as the mother of a 14 month old child. 263 00:17:33,352 --> 00:17:36,120 I'd go to school... 264 00:17:36,188 --> 00:17:36,988 Study as hard as I can, 265 00:17:36,990 --> 00:17:41,359 in a very concentrated way, I didn't waste any time. 266 00:17:41,361 --> 00:17:45,430 Four o'clock in the afternoon our babysitter left 267 00:17:45,432 --> 00:17:46,731 and that was... 268 00:17:46,733 --> 00:17:50,268 My child's hours till she went... 269 00:17:50,736 --> 00:17:52,603 To sleep. 270 00:17:53,138 --> 00:17:56,674 Playing with my daughter gave me a respite 271 00:17:56,676 --> 00:18:01,612 from the kind of work I was doing at law school... 272 00:18:01,947 --> 00:18:05,383 And I think made me more sane. 273 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,755 Miller: We knew that Marty was ill. 274 00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:14,092 We just knew he had his own battle 275 00:18:14,094 --> 00:18:19,564 and Ruth is now caring for both Marty and janey. 276 00:18:19,998 --> 00:18:23,701 Ruth: Marty in his third year of law school 277 00:18:23,703 --> 00:18:25,803 had a virulent cancer 278 00:18:25,805 --> 00:18:29,073 in days when there was no chemotherapy, 279 00:18:29,075 --> 00:18:32,176 there was only massive radiation. 280 00:18:33,545 --> 00:18:37,615 He'd go for the radiation, wake up about midnight 281 00:18:37,617 --> 00:18:44,255 when the only food that he ate for the day he could manage. 282 00:18:44,623 --> 00:18:49,360 And then I started typing the notes that his classmates 283 00:18:49,362 --> 00:18:51,062 had given me from his classes, 284 00:18:51,064 --> 00:18:55,399 reading whatever cases I would read for the next day 285 00:18:55,401 --> 00:18:59,137 and maybe I got two hours sleep. 286 00:18:59,571 --> 00:19:00,838 Totenberg: She did her own work, 287 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,206 helped her husband with his work, 288 00:19:02,208 --> 00:19:05,409 organized his friends so they could help him with his work 289 00:19:05,411 --> 00:19:08,779 and took care of her two year old child. 290 00:19:08,947 --> 00:19:10,314 Fortunately Marty lived... 291 00:19:10,316 --> 00:19:16,020 But it's when she learned how to burn the candle at both ends. 292 00:19:31,036 --> 00:19:34,272 Jim ginsburg: One of the memories of my childhood would be 293 00:19:34,274 --> 00:19:35,506 waking up in the middle of the night 294 00:19:35,508 --> 00:19:38,409 and there mom would be spread out over the dining room table 295 00:19:38,411 --> 00:19:44,415 with her legal pads, uh, and, uh, the coffee in one hand, 296 00:19:44,417 --> 00:19:46,217 and the box of prunes at the other. 297 00:19:46,219 --> 00:19:52,256 She will work until two, three, four, five in the morning 298 00:19:52,258 --> 00:19:54,926 sometimes even, uh, later, 299 00:19:54,928 --> 00:19:57,228 then she will get up, she has a sitting 300 00:19:57,230 --> 00:20:00,598 she would have to be at the court before nine, 301 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,701 and then she sleeps the entire weekend. 302 00:20:04,403 --> 00:20:06,003 So she catches up. 303 00:20:07,307 --> 00:20:11,008 Lisa frelinghuysen: The sweet thing about working for a justice 304 00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:12,043 who works extremely hard 305 00:20:12,045 --> 00:20:16,447 is that we saw Marty come to chambers often... 306 00:20:16,515 --> 00:20:18,616 To lure her home. 307 00:20:18,618 --> 00:20:22,687 He would say, "Ruth, it's time to come home to dinner." 308 00:20:22,689 --> 00:20:27,258 She sometimes had to be physically brought home. 309 00:20:28,794 --> 00:20:32,597 Miller: Marty graduated from the Harvard law school 310 00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:35,967 and was going to a firm in New York. 311 00:20:35,969 --> 00:20:39,937 That was when Ruth finished her second year, 312 00:20:40,305 --> 00:20:41,172 given Marty, 313 00:20:41,174 --> 00:20:44,709 given his recent illness, they had to remain together, 314 00:20:44,711 --> 00:20:46,577 and the logical place was New York 315 00:20:46,579 --> 00:20:49,380 and the best option was Columbia. 316 00:20:50,716 --> 00:20:54,018 Ruth: When I graduated from Columbia law school 317 00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:55,052 in 1959, 318 00:20:55,054 --> 00:20:59,824 not a law firm in the entire city of New York 319 00:20:59,826 --> 00:21:01,792 would employ me. 320 00:21:01,927 --> 00:21:05,930 Miller: Four of us from my class, Marty's class, 321 00:21:05,932 --> 00:21:07,231 went to the same law firm 322 00:21:07,233 --> 00:21:11,636 and two of us went to the hiring partner 323 00:21:11,638 --> 00:21:12,903 and said... 324 00:21:12,905 --> 00:21:15,539 We had somebody on the Harvard law review 325 00:21:15,541 --> 00:21:18,075 that we think is the cat's meow, 326 00:21:18,077 --> 00:21:21,579 we think this firm should hire her. 327 00:21:21,581 --> 00:21:25,449 As soon as I used the "she" pronoun... 328 00:21:25,717 --> 00:21:28,853 The senior partner looked at me and says, "young man... 329 00:21:28,855 --> 00:21:34,659 You don't seem to understand. This firm doesn't hire women." 330 00:21:34,661 --> 00:21:37,161 She hadn't quite figured out, 331 00:21:37,163 --> 00:21:38,863 why it was that there were these barriers. 332 00:21:38,865 --> 00:21:42,733 It wasn't until later that this all came together 333 00:21:42,735 --> 00:21:45,503 - and became her life's work in, - yes. 334 00:21:45,505 --> 00:21:48,606 In fighting these injustices. 335 00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:53,477 Ruth: Being a woman was an impediment. 336 00:21:56,848 --> 00:21:58,516 Feigen: We did not have equal rights 337 00:21:58,518 --> 00:22:01,986 and equal recognition in the law at all. 338 00:22:02,187 --> 00:22:06,190 Totenberg: There were not hundreds but thousands of state 339 00:22:06,192 --> 00:22:11,062 and federal laws all over this country that discriminated 340 00:22:11,064 --> 00:22:12,330 on the basis of gender. 341 00:22:12,332 --> 00:22:15,633 Typical laws of the time like, 342 00:22:15,635 --> 00:22:22,473 "the husband is the master of the community. 343 00:22:22,475 --> 00:22:27,111 He shall choose where the family will live 344 00:22:27,113 --> 00:22:31,716 and the woman is obliged to follow him." 345 00:22:53,872 --> 00:22:56,574 There's no aspect of American life 346 00:22:56,576 --> 00:22:59,410 in which you were not treated differently. 347 00:22:59,412 --> 00:23:01,312 The idea was that... 348 00:23:01,314 --> 00:23:05,416 Men were the breadwinners that counted 349 00:23:05,418 --> 00:23:07,718 and women were... 350 00:23:07,786 --> 00:23:10,087 Pin money earners. 351 00:23:10,255 --> 00:23:14,725 So women woke up and complained. 352 00:23:45,458 --> 00:23:50,060 There came to be such a mass and a majority of women really 353 00:23:50,062 --> 00:23:55,366 who understood that they were not crazy, the system was crazy. 354 00:23:55,368 --> 00:23:59,036 Gloria steinem: Now, thanks to the spirit of equality in the air, 355 00:23:59,038 --> 00:24:02,606 I no longer accept society's judgment 356 00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:05,075 that my group is second class. 357 00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:08,813 Wendy Williams: But marching and demonstrating 358 00:24:08,815 --> 00:24:10,281 just wasn't Ruth's thing. 359 00:24:10,283 --> 00:24:15,252 Her thing was to use the skills she had and put them to work 360 00:24:15,254 --> 00:24:16,854 and those were her legal skills. 361 00:24:16,856 --> 00:24:21,459 In 1963, she started at rutgers as a law professor. 362 00:24:21,461 --> 00:24:23,961 And really inspired by her students, 363 00:24:23,963 --> 00:24:25,663 she agreed to teach a course 364 00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:28,566 in this new subject of gender and law. 365 00:24:28,568 --> 00:24:30,301 Ruth: In the late 60's, 366 00:24:30,303 --> 00:24:35,206 some of the students wanted a course in women and the law. 367 00:24:35,208 --> 00:24:36,907 Williams: That's also when... 368 00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:40,945 She began dealing with sex discrimination cases. 369 00:24:40,947 --> 00:24:45,349 And that was her entre into becoming a litigator. 370 00:24:45,351 --> 00:24:48,986 Aryeh neier: The emergence of a women's rights movement 371 00:24:48,988 --> 00:24:53,324 had the possibility of playing the role in the 1970s 372 00:24:53,326 --> 00:24:57,394 that the black civil rights movement had played 373 00:24:57,396 --> 00:24:58,128 in the 1960s. 374 00:24:58,130 --> 00:25:03,234 And so I was particularly eager to create a special project 375 00:25:03,236 --> 00:25:04,335 dealing with women's rights. 376 00:25:04,337 --> 00:25:08,772 I got a call from the aclu asking me if I would consider 377 00:25:08,774 --> 00:25:10,441 running the women's rights project 378 00:25:10,443 --> 00:25:12,776 with professor Ruth bader ginsburg. 379 00:25:12,778 --> 00:25:15,179 Whom I had heard of but I did not know. 380 00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:16,947 I met Ruth the first day I was there. 381 00:25:16,949 --> 00:25:22,553 She seemed very polite and quiet and reserved. Not a firebrand. 382 00:25:22,555 --> 00:25:26,557 Neier: She wouldn't speak up a great deal during meetings. 383 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,760 She always addressed whatever point there was. 384 00:25:29,762 --> 00:25:33,430 There wasn't any peripheral element of it. 385 00:25:33,432 --> 00:25:36,333 - Betsy west: No small talk. - No small talk. 386 00:25:36,335 --> 00:25:38,502 None that I can recall. 387 00:25:39,404 --> 00:25:40,804 Feigen: At that point in time, 388 00:25:40,806 --> 00:25:44,508 Ruth was developing her philosophy to take cases 389 00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:45,643 that would make good law. 390 00:25:45,645 --> 00:25:49,446 If the case is going to be on its way to the supreme court, 391 00:25:49,448 --> 00:25:52,550 we wanted to be involved and we wanted to... 392 00:25:52,552 --> 00:25:54,785 Frankly, take over the case. 393 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,320 Totenberg: She was following in the footsteps 394 00:25:56,322 --> 00:25:59,323 of the great civil rights lawyer thurgood Marshall, who was 395 00:25:59,325 --> 00:26:02,526 the architect of the battle for racial equality 396 00:26:02,528 --> 00:26:05,663 basing it on the clause of the constitution 397 00:26:05,665 --> 00:26:08,465 that guarantees equal protection of the law. 398 00:26:08,467 --> 00:26:13,938 She wanted it to apply to equal protection for women. 399 00:26:14,272 --> 00:26:18,075 My first argument before the U.S. supreme court 400 00:26:18,077 --> 00:26:21,378 was in frontiero v. Richardson. 401 00:26:27,452 --> 00:26:32,690 Sharron frontiero: I was, way back in the 1970s, a... 402 00:26:32,692 --> 00:26:35,359 Second lieutenant in the air force. 403 00:26:36,227 --> 00:26:40,264 I went in the military because I needed the money. 404 00:26:40,266 --> 00:26:43,233 Air force ad: Who says a woman has to settle for a routine job 405 00:26:43,235 --> 00:26:45,169 just because she's a woman? Discover 406 00:26:45,171 --> 00:26:48,906 the United States air force and you'll discover the world. 407 00:26:48,908 --> 00:26:51,976 Frontiero: I was newly out of college, this was a new job, 408 00:26:51,978 --> 00:26:57,915 I had just married, so it was the start of new everything. 409 00:26:59,551 --> 00:27:04,355 It became clear pretty quickly that the men I was working with 410 00:27:04,357 --> 00:27:06,390 who were married got a housing allowance 411 00:27:06,392 --> 00:27:09,693 and I wasn't getting paid a housing allowance 412 00:27:09,695 --> 00:27:12,229 'cause I was a woman. 413 00:27:12,664 --> 00:27:14,565 I assumed it was a mistake 414 00:27:14,567 --> 00:27:20,104 so I went off to the pay office to correct the mistake. 415 00:27:20,106 --> 00:27:22,706 "You're lucky we let you in here at all. 416 00:27:22,708 --> 00:27:27,344 You're lucky that the air force allows you to serve," 417 00:27:27,346 --> 00:27:29,880 was what I heard right off the bat. 418 00:27:29,882 --> 00:27:32,016 It took me aback and then i figured, 419 00:27:32,018 --> 00:27:36,954 well you know, here's one bigot, so I'll just keep asking around 420 00:27:36,956 --> 00:27:39,323 and it became very clear very quickly 421 00:27:39,325 --> 00:27:41,558 that there was no different story. 422 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,095 So we went to see a lawyer and I still thought it was 423 00:27:45,097 --> 00:27:48,298 a matter of getting a lawyer to write a letter for me. 424 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:50,434 Just write a letter, have the right information. 425 00:27:50,436 --> 00:27:54,672 I'm clearly in the same category as these other men. 426 00:27:54,674 --> 00:27:56,006 The lawyer said to me, 427 00:27:56,008 --> 00:27:57,875 "this isn't an administrative error. 428 00:27:57,877 --> 00:28:01,512 This is the law and it's going to have to be rectified 429 00:28:01,514 --> 00:28:02,146 with a lawsuit 430 00:28:02,148 --> 00:28:04,915 and if you're willing, we'll take you on." 431 00:28:04,917 --> 00:28:07,184 Feigen: Ruth and I heard about it 432 00:28:07,186 --> 00:28:11,689 and immediately let the lawyer for sharron frontiero 433 00:28:11,691 --> 00:28:12,589 know we were interested. 434 00:28:12,591 --> 00:28:16,560 It was very important to us to have a part in that case. 435 00:28:16,562 --> 00:28:17,928 Frontiero: Nice girls didn't file lawsuits. 436 00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:23,267 Particularly after they had been let into the service at all. 437 00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:24,268 You know, what more did I want? 438 00:28:24,270 --> 00:28:27,104 Well, I just wanted to be treated like everybody else did. 439 00:28:27,106 --> 00:28:29,740 But there was the sense and there still is the sense, 440 00:28:29,742 --> 00:28:35,679 that nice girls don't speak up, nice girls don't make demands. 441 00:28:36,748 --> 00:28:40,951 Ah well, too bad. 442 00:28:41,252 --> 00:28:43,854 It went to the district court in Alabama. 443 00:28:43,856 --> 00:28:49,093 We lost and the next court to go to was the supreme court. 444 00:28:49,095 --> 00:28:52,963 Feigen: Ruth and I set to work to write the brief. 445 00:28:52,965 --> 00:28:55,499 I would write a section and Ruth would take it 446 00:28:55,501 --> 00:29:00,104 and it would come back in a wonderfully brilliant fashion. 447 00:29:00,106 --> 00:29:01,805 Every word of it was carefully... 448 00:29:01,807 --> 00:29:05,609 I mean Ruth went over every single word. 449 00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:10,581 What we wanted was a review of cases 450 00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:14,618 that the court would say, sex discrimination doesn't work. 451 00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:18,822 And it would be a broad command basically to legislatures 452 00:29:18,824 --> 00:29:22,025 to get rid of statutes that discriminate on the basis 453 00:29:22,027 --> 00:29:23,994 of... of gender. 454 00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:28,132 But she also added to make the point much more poignant, 455 00:29:28,134 --> 00:29:30,901 the history of women and the way we were treated 456 00:29:30,903 --> 00:29:34,772 throughout America and its beginnings. 457 00:29:52,123 --> 00:29:55,092 She captured for the male members of the court 458 00:29:55,094 --> 00:29:58,428 what it was like to be a second class citizen. 459 00:30:12,577 --> 00:30:15,479 Williams: Frontiero went to the court. 460 00:30:15,481 --> 00:30:17,981 Ruth ginsburg, for the first time, 461 00:30:17,983 --> 00:30:19,249 made an oral argument. 462 00:30:19,251 --> 00:30:21,585 She split her time with the lawyer, 463 00:30:21,587 --> 00:30:25,522 the man who had begun the case in Alabama. 464 00:30:27,926 --> 00:30:31,028 Ruth: It was an afternoon argument. 465 00:30:31,030 --> 00:30:33,430 So I was first up in the afternoon 466 00:30:33,432 --> 00:30:37,034 and I didn't dare have lunch that day. 467 00:30:37,036 --> 00:30:38,035 Feigen: She seemed nervous. 468 00:30:38,037 --> 00:30:42,005 Her eyes were wide with sort of anticipation. 469 00:30:46,144 --> 00:30:52,716 It's very intense and austere and important 470 00:30:52,718 --> 00:30:53,417 and very male 471 00:30:53,419 --> 00:30:56,119 and it's the whole thing feels like. 472 00:30:56,121 --> 00:30:59,556 I was... I was really kind of scared. 473 00:31:00,191 --> 00:31:02,759 We sat down at the counsel table 474 00:31:02,761 --> 00:31:05,729 and had all these huge casebooks 475 00:31:05,731 --> 00:31:07,931 for me to help her with cites. 476 00:31:07,933 --> 00:31:11,401 And the court began with the "oyez oyez," 477 00:31:11,403 --> 00:31:14,204 and the "here we are." 478 00:31:14,206 --> 00:31:18,141 Court officer: Oyez oyez oyez. 479 00:31:18,143 --> 00:31:19,476 All persons having business 480 00:31:19,478 --> 00:31:21,211 before the supreme court of the United States 481 00:31:21,213 --> 00:31:24,815 are admonished to draw near and give their attention 482 00:31:24,817 --> 00:31:26,850 for the court is now sitting. 483 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,823 - Chief justice: Mrs. ginsburg. - Ruth: I was terribly, terribly 484 00:31:32,825 --> 00:31:35,225 nervous but then I looked up 485 00:31:35,227 --> 00:31:36,994 at the justices 486 00:31:36,996 --> 00:31:41,131 and I thought, "i have a captive audience." 487 00:31:41,133 --> 00:31:43,567 I knew that I was speaking to men, 488 00:31:43,569 --> 00:31:46,169 who didn't think there was any such thing 489 00:31:46,171 --> 00:31:48,672 as gender-based discrimination. 490 00:31:48,674 --> 00:31:53,844 And my job was to tell them it really exists. 491 00:32:00,351 --> 00:32:03,420 Ruth: 492 00:32:49,834 --> 00:32:55,272 There was not a single question. I just went on speaking 493 00:32:55,274 --> 00:32:57,874 and I, at the time... 494 00:32:57,876 --> 00:33:04,181 Wondered, "are they just indulging me and not listening 495 00:33:04,183 --> 00:33:08,986 or am I telling them something they haven't heard before 496 00:33:08,988 --> 00:33:11,321 and are they paying attention?" 497 00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:16,026 Feigen: The justices were just glued to her. 498 00:33:16,028 --> 00:33:16,860 I don't think they were 499 00:33:16,862 --> 00:33:20,030 expecting to have to deal with something as powerful 500 00:33:20,032 --> 00:33:25,268 as a sheer force of her argument that was just all encompassing 501 00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:27,304 and they were there to talk about a little statute 502 00:33:27,306 --> 00:33:30,407 in the government code. I mean, it was just... 503 00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:35,212 We seized the moment to change American society. 504 00:33:35,947 --> 00:33:38,615 Ruth: In asking the court to declare sex 505 00:33:38,617 --> 00:33:40,751 a suspect criterion... 506 00:33:40,753 --> 00:33:47,190 We urge a position forcibly stated in 1837 by Sara grimke, 507 00:33:47,192 --> 00:33:48,492 noted abolitionist 508 00:33:48,494 --> 00:33:51,762 and advocate of equal rights for men and women. 509 00:33:51,764 --> 00:33:57,701 She said, "i ask no favor for my sex. 510 00:33:57,769 --> 00:34:00,137 All I ask of our brethren 511 00:34:00,139 --> 00:34:04,841 is that they take their feet off our necks." 512 00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:12,215 Frontiero: We were told about the decision 513 00:34:12,217 --> 00:34:13,250 when a reporter called us up 514 00:34:13,252 --> 00:34:16,853 and said, "it went in your favor today, how do you feel?" 515 00:34:16,855 --> 00:34:19,456 I said, "i feel fine, thank you very much!" 516 00:34:19,458 --> 00:34:21,124 We were both happy that we won the case. 517 00:34:21,126 --> 00:34:23,994 Let's be clear about it, we won the case. But... 518 00:34:23,996 --> 00:34:28,565 We lost the standard of review that we wanted by one vote. 519 00:34:28,633 --> 00:34:31,902 Williams: She tried to make the case, 520 00:34:31,904 --> 00:34:34,271 that sex discrimination should be treated 521 00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:36,139 like race discrimination. 522 00:34:36,141 --> 00:34:40,110 Four justices signed onto that idea. 523 00:34:40,112 --> 00:34:42,746 The problem was you need five. 524 00:34:43,514 --> 00:34:45,082 Ruth: I said... 525 00:34:46,517 --> 00:34:48,218 It's too soon. 526 00:34:49,287 --> 00:34:51,488 My expectation, to be candid, 527 00:34:51,490 --> 00:34:55,592 was that I would repeat that kind of argument... 528 00:34:56,994 --> 00:34:58,795 Maybe half a dozen times. 529 00:34:58,797 --> 00:35:03,633 I didn't expect it to happen in one fell swoop. 530 00:35:03,635 --> 00:35:08,438 I think generally in our society, real change... 531 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,309 Enduring change, happens one step at a time. 532 00:35:12,311 --> 00:35:16,513 The legal strategy of one step at a time in the '70s 533 00:35:16,515 --> 00:35:17,948 was a conservative strategy 534 00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:22,052 but the goal was equality and civil rights 535 00:35:22,054 --> 00:35:26,790 and that's who she always was and who she is now. 536 00:35:31,729 --> 00:35:37,067 Frelinghuysen: She is very disciplined but she has passions 537 00:35:37,069 --> 00:35:39,736 that she really enjoys. 538 00:35:39,738 --> 00:35:41,972 She loves the opera. 539 00:35:43,674 --> 00:35:45,976 Spera: She goes to multiple opera festivals 540 00:35:45,978 --> 00:35:48,979 and the whole family will go with her. 541 00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:51,781 I think it is a place of tranquility 542 00:35:51,783 --> 00:35:56,520 that is outside of the demands of her job. 543 00:36:10,401 --> 00:36:14,004 Ruth: When I am at an opera... 544 00:36:14,006 --> 00:36:16,139 I get totally carried away. 545 00:36:16,141 --> 00:36:20,277 I don't think about the case that's coming up next week, 546 00:36:20,279 --> 00:36:23,513 or the brief that I'm in the middle of. 547 00:36:25,650 --> 00:36:31,254 I'm overwhelmed by the beauty of the music, the drama. 548 00:36:31,455 --> 00:36:34,224 And the sound of the human voice... 549 00:36:34,226 --> 00:36:38,228 It's like an electric current going through me. 550 00:36:55,213 --> 00:37:00,784 Ruth: Justice and mercy, they're all in opera. 551 00:37:00,786 --> 00:37:03,553 Very grand emotions. 552 00:37:12,597 --> 00:37:15,932 Ruth: A young man had a tragic experience. 553 00:37:15,934 --> 00:37:19,236 His wife hadan entirely healthy pregnancy, 554 00:37:19,238 --> 00:37:23,473 and he was told that he had a healthy baby boy 555 00:37:23,475 --> 00:37:25,542 but his wife had died. 556 00:37:25,544 --> 00:37:28,411 Stephen wiesenfeld: The problem was amniotic embolism 557 00:37:28,413 --> 00:37:32,282 and at that particular point nobody had ever survived that. 558 00:37:32,284 --> 00:37:35,352 They did keep her alive for about four hours 559 00:37:35,354 --> 00:37:36,987 but by 3:30 in the afternoon, 560 00:37:36,989 --> 00:37:40,790 the code blue came along and she died. 561 00:37:43,461 --> 00:37:46,296 Jason was a very easy child. 562 00:37:46,298 --> 00:37:49,232 My attitude towards raising a child is that, 563 00:37:49,234 --> 00:37:53,103 a child is not there for me, I'm there for him! 564 00:37:53,105 --> 00:37:54,504 And that's what my job was. 565 00:37:54,506 --> 00:37:56,773 Ruth: He determined that he was going to be 566 00:37:56,775 --> 00:38:00,043 a care-giving parent to that child. 567 00:38:00,045 --> 00:38:02,779 He went to the local social security office 568 00:38:02,781 --> 00:38:06,883 and asked about the benefits he thought... 569 00:38:07,084 --> 00:38:10,320 A sole surviving parent could get. 570 00:38:10,554 --> 00:38:11,154 And he was told, 571 00:38:11,156 --> 00:38:14,324 "well, that benefit is called a mother's benefit," 572 00:38:14,925 --> 00:38:17,060 and he didn't qualify. 573 00:38:17,428 --> 00:38:19,095 So, he wrote a letter to the editor 574 00:38:19,097 --> 00:38:21,731 of his local newspaper. And he said, "i have heard 575 00:38:21,733 --> 00:38:25,635 a lot about women's lib. Let me tell you my story." 576 00:38:25,637 --> 00:38:27,537 Wiesenfeld: "To the editor. It has been my misfortune 577 00:38:27,539 --> 00:38:32,108 to discover that a male cannot collect social security benefits 578 00:38:32,110 --> 00:38:32,776 as a woman can. 579 00:38:32,778 --> 00:38:34,944 Had I been paying into the social security system 580 00:38:34,946 --> 00:38:38,682 and had I died, she would have been able to receive a benefit. 581 00:38:38,684 --> 00:38:40,250 But male homemakers cannot. 582 00:38:40,252 --> 00:38:44,120 I wonder if Gloria steinem knows about this. 583 00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:52,028 Ruth took a case in which a man was discriminated against 584 00:38:52,030 --> 00:38:53,496 in order to show... 585 00:38:53,498 --> 00:38:58,802 The depth and the importance of sex discrimination. 586 00:38:59,003 --> 00:39:01,271 Very intelligent thing to do. 587 00:39:01,273 --> 00:39:06,543 Wiesenfeld: We appeared in the U.S. supreme court in 1975. 588 00:39:06,977 --> 00:39:09,946 When we got to the courtroom, she sat me down 589 00:39:09,948 --> 00:39:11,081 at the table with her, 590 00:39:11,083 --> 00:39:14,017 she just wanted a male presence to be at that table 591 00:39:14,019 --> 00:39:17,887 so that the justices would have something to identify with. 592 00:39:17,889 --> 00:39:19,789 That was a part of her strategy. 593 00:39:19,791 --> 00:39:22,959 She was trying to convince members of the supreme court 594 00:39:22,961 --> 00:39:29,232 who were mostly white, male, privileged class at that time. 595 00:39:30,568 --> 00:39:34,671 Ruth: 596 00:39:47,752 --> 00:39:49,786 She knew exactly what she was doing 597 00:39:49,788 --> 00:39:52,522 and it was a very shrewd strategy. 598 00:39:53,324 --> 00:39:58,395 Ruth: That case resulted in a unanimous judgment 599 00:39:58,397 --> 00:40:00,864 in Stephen wiesenfeld's favor. 600 00:40:01,432 --> 00:40:03,233 His case was the perfect example 601 00:40:03,235 --> 00:40:08,972 of how gender-based discrimination hurts everyone. 602 00:40:08,974 --> 00:40:12,675 Kathleen peratis: Ruth's conception of the strategy led 603 00:40:12,677 --> 00:40:16,446 to a whole string of litigation for the next decade. 604 00:40:16,448 --> 00:40:21,951 Neier: She wanted to build the idea of women's equality 605 00:40:21,953 --> 00:40:29,292 step by step to use each case to move things forward. 606 00:40:29,294 --> 00:40:32,796 It was like knitting a sweater. 607 00:40:43,374 --> 00:40:46,576 Ruth: 608 00:41:00,491 --> 00:41:03,760 Ruth: 609 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:16,306 Ruth: 610 00:41:16,308 --> 00:41:18,374 They didn't get it. They didn't understand 611 00:41:18,376 --> 00:41:20,510 the issues that women were facing 612 00:41:20,512 --> 00:41:23,279 or they didn't see them as issues. 613 00:41:23,281 --> 00:41:27,450 'Cause women had, in their minds women had a place 614 00:41:27,452 --> 00:41:28,818 and it wasn't... 615 00:41:28,820 --> 00:41:33,022 Where Ruth ginsburg was suggesting that it ought to be. 616 00:41:33,123 --> 00:41:36,459 Ruth: 617 00:41:45,070 --> 00:41:47,704 West: When they would say things like this, 618 00:41:47,706 --> 00:41:49,272 how did you respond? 619 00:41:49,274 --> 00:41:52,842 Well, never in anger, as my mother told me. 620 00:41:52,844 --> 00:41:55,478 That would've been self-defeating. 621 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,682 Always as an opportunity to teach. 622 00:41:59,684 --> 00:42:02,652 I did see myself as kind of a kindergarten teacher, 623 00:42:02,654 --> 00:42:05,955 in those days, because the judges... 624 00:42:05,957 --> 00:42:10,260 Didn't think sex... Sex discrimination existed. 625 00:42:10,262 --> 00:42:14,731 Well, one of the things I tried to plant in their minds was... 626 00:42:14,733 --> 00:42:18,468 Think about how you would like the world to be 627 00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:21,404 for your daughters and granddaughters. 628 00:42:21,605 --> 00:42:27,176 Ruth: 629 00:42:28,879 --> 00:42:32,916 One of the things that I'm struck by, as I look back on it, 630 00:42:32,918 --> 00:42:37,053 is how unprepared the defendants were to fight back. 631 00:42:37,055 --> 00:42:39,389 We won because the strategy was brilliant, 632 00:42:39,391 --> 00:42:42,959 we won because we were smart and prepared and we fought hard. 633 00:42:42,961 --> 00:42:46,963 You couldn't miss what Ruth was doing during the '70s. 634 00:42:46,965 --> 00:42:53,503 She was creating a legal landscape. 635 00:43:00,811 --> 00:43:04,547 She was doing something that was... 636 00:43:04,782 --> 00:43:05,882 Incredibly important 637 00:43:05,884 --> 00:43:10,653 to American women whether they knew it or not. 638 00:43:13,123 --> 00:43:17,226 Just the thought that I might catch a glimpse of her is... 639 00:43:17,228 --> 00:43:18,561 Overwhelming. 640 00:43:18,563 --> 00:43:20,630 I have a mug of her in my room it says, 641 00:43:20,632 --> 00:43:22,599 - "herstory in the making." - I have her sticker 642 00:43:22,601 --> 00:43:25,335 - on my computer! - I just ordered tons of merch. 643 00:43:25,337 --> 00:43:28,905 Notorious rbg. We're here to get our books signed. 644 00:43:28,907 --> 00:43:32,175 Shana knizhnik: I think it's easy to take for granted 645 00:43:32,177 --> 00:43:37,647 the position that young women can have in today's society. 646 00:43:37,649 --> 00:43:42,652 And that's a lot in thanks to justice ginsburg's work. 647 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,023 Irin carmon: Who is more disdained or told to go away 648 00:43:47,025 --> 00:43:47,824 than an older woman? 649 00:43:47,826 --> 00:43:51,327 But here's an older woman who people really want to hear 650 00:43:51,329 --> 00:43:53,563 everything that she has to say. 651 00:43:54,164 --> 00:43:56,199 Aaron saiger: I have been given questions from the students 652 00:43:56,201 --> 00:43:59,402 about what it's like to be justice Ruth bader ginsburg. 653 00:43:59,404 --> 00:44:02,672 - Do you have a smartphone? 654 00:44:02,674 --> 00:44:05,341 Yes, the answer is yes. 655 00:44:05,343 --> 00:44:08,778 I had, in fact, two until they took 656 00:44:08,780 --> 00:44:10,046 the BlackBerry away from me 657 00:44:10,048 --> 00:44:13,016 saying, "nobody uses that anymore." 658 00:44:13,317 --> 00:44:17,320 Uh, what do I use it for? Not for selfies. 659 00:44:19,456 --> 00:44:20,990 You have said in public many times, 660 00:44:20,992 --> 00:44:24,193 that the ideal number of women for the supreme court 661 00:44:24,195 --> 00:44:25,795 of the United States is nine. 662 00:44:25,797 --> 00:44:27,730 Yes, of course... 663 00:44:28,499 --> 00:44:29,666 - Saiger: Uh... - Why not? 664 00:44:29,668 --> 00:44:34,537 Nine men was a satisfactory number until 1981. 665 00:44:34,539 --> 00:44:38,574 But the change in the federal judiciary as a whole 666 00:44:38,576 --> 00:44:40,677 has been enormous. 667 00:44:40,811 --> 00:44:42,545 But it wasn't until... 668 00:44:42,547 --> 00:44:45,148 Jimmy Carter became president, 669 00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:48,117 he looked around at the federal judiciary, 670 00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:51,988 and he said, "don't they all look like me? 671 00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:57,326 But that's not how the great United States looks." 672 00:44:57,761 --> 00:45:00,830 Edwards: When president Carter was elected, he said, 673 00:45:00,832 --> 00:45:03,499 "there are almost no women and there are almost 674 00:45:03,501 --> 00:45:05,968 no African Americans on the federal bench 675 00:45:05,970 --> 00:45:08,905 and I am determined to change that." 676 00:45:09,673 --> 00:45:15,244 Justice ginsburg and I were two of the people who benefitted 677 00:45:15,246 --> 00:45:16,846 from that promise. 678 00:45:17,748 --> 00:45:21,617 Ruth was nominated in 1980 and we became colleagues 679 00:45:21,619 --> 00:45:25,855 on the U.S. court of appeals for the DC circuit. 680 00:45:25,857 --> 00:45:29,325 Woman: Judge ginsburg did you always want to be a judge? 681 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:36,165 The law is something that I think I deal with well. 682 00:45:36,167 --> 00:45:36,933 Uh... 683 00:45:36,935 --> 00:45:40,803 I don't have the kind of talent that could make one say 684 00:45:40,805 --> 00:45:43,439 a great opera singer. 685 00:45:51,682 --> 00:45:55,952 Ruth: I wanted to be active in the law. 686 00:45:56,553 --> 00:46:03,226 The law is a consuming, uh, love for me. 687 00:46:03,694 --> 00:46:05,695 Edwards: When she first started on the bench, 688 00:46:05,697 --> 00:46:09,198 after we hear cases we go into a conference room 689 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,202 and the three judges confer and we think about 690 00:46:13,204 --> 00:46:15,104 how we should decide the cases. 691 00:46:15,106 --> 00:46:18,908 Ruth was sufficiently confident in herself in the early days. 692 00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:21,811 She would say, "this is a very straightforward case. 693 00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:24,280 I have a prepared judgment for us" 694 00:46:24,282 --> 00:46:28,351 and this was before we conferred on the case and initially 695 00:46:28,353 --> 00:46:30,119 we were all taken aback like, 696 00:46:30,121 --> 00:46:32,955 "no wait, wait, Ruth you can't do that." 697 00:46:33,023 --> 00:46:33,856 She was always right, 698 00:46:33,858 --> 00:46:35,892 the judgments that she had prepared were right. 699 00:46:35,894 --> 00:46:39,095 But we said, "no, we have to go through the motions 700 00:46:39,097 --> 00:46:44,000 of talking first before you give us the result." 701 00:46:44,067 --> 00:46:47,303 Ruth: When I was appointed to the DC circuit, 702 00:46:47,305 --> 00:46:50,573 so often people would come up to me and say, "it must be 703 00:46:50,575 --> 00:46:53,743 hard for you commuting back and forth to New York." 704 00:46:53,745 --> 00:46:59,182 They couldn't imagine that a man would leave his work 705 00:46:59,184 --> 00:47:02,218 to follow his... his wife. 706 00:47:02,286 --> 00:47:06,656 He... had been extraordinarily successful 707 00:47:06,658 --> 00:47:09,559 as a practicing lawyer in New York. 708 00:47:09,561 --> 00:47:11,060 There were people who would say, 709 00:47:11,062 --> 00:47:13,696 he was the best tax lawyer in the city of New York 710 00:47:13,698 --> 00:47:17,033 and believe me that is saying something. 711 00:47:17,035 --> 00:47:18,668 He was... 712 00:47:19,169 --> 00:47:20,736 Okay playing second fiddle. 713 00:47:20,738 --> 00:47:24,173 In fact, he would make a joke of it always, he would say, 714 00:47:24,175 --> 00:47:27,543 "i moved to Washington because my wife got a good job." 715 00:47:27,545 --> 00:47:31,848 Woman: How much advice do you give each other? 716 00:47:37,988 --> 00:47:39,155 Well... 717 00:47:40,024 --> 00:47:43,459 Marty was the funny one in the family and she loved it 718 00:47:43,461 --> 00:47:47,196 and you could see the twinkle in her eye when he would do 719 00:47:47,198 --> 00:47:49,298 his funny little quips and jokes. 720 00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:50,132 As a general rule, 721 00:47:50,134 --> 00:47:53,836 my wife does not give me any advice about cooking 722 00:47:53,838 --> 00:47:56,906 and I do not give her any advice about the law. 723 00:47:56,908 --> 00:48:00,243 This seems to work quite well on both sides. 724 00:48:01,212 --> 00:48:05,448 My father was very outgoing, very fun person, 725 00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:07,650 and I think he helped, uh, 726 00:48:07,652 --> 00:48:12,255 temper some of mom's seriousness at times which I think was 727 00:48:12,257 --> 00:48:13,055 to everybody's benefit. 728 00:48:13,057 --> 00:48:15,925 We used to keep a book called mommy laughed. 729 00:48:15,927 --> 00:48:18,995 Which had parsimonious entries. 730 00:48:19,631 --> 00:48:21,731 You are giving me constant advice. 731 00:48:21,733 --> 00:48:24,867 It's starts calling about, uh... 732 00:48:24,869 --> 00:48:29,338 7:00, it's time to come home for dinner and then 7:30 733 00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:34,677 and somewhere between 7:30 and 9:00, we generally make it. 734 00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:38,147 And the other thing is time for you to go to sleep. 735 00:48:38,515 --> 00:48:39,715 Those are the daily... 736 00:48:39,717 --> 00:48:43,052 Um, that's the daily advice, that I get. 737 00:48:43,054 --> 00:48:47,323 Well, it's not that bad advice you have to eat one meal a day 738 00:48:47,325 --> 00:48:49,191 and you have to go to sleep sometime. 739 00:48:49,928 --> 00:48:55,197 Edwards: He allowed Ruth to be who she was, that is, 740 00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:59,602 a relatively reserved, serious person, 741 00:48:59,604 --> 00:49:03,439 who focused on her law work and loved doing that. 742 00:49:03,441 --> 00:49:07,076 And the relationship was just magnificent to watch. 743 00:49:07,078 --> 00:49:11,414 Ruth: And when Marty was starting out in law practice 744 00:49:11,416 --> 00:49:12,748 and eager to make partner, 745 00:49:12,750 --> 00:49:15,384 I was responsible for the lion's share 746 00:49:15,386 --> 00:49:16,719 of taking care of the home. 747 00:49:16,721 --> 00:49:21,023 But when the women's movement came alive and Marty appreciated 748 00:49:21,025 --> 00:49:23,793 the importance of the work I was doing, 749 00:49:23,795 --> 00:49:28,798 then I became the person whose career came first. 750 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,933 West: What was she like as a mom? 751 00:49:30,935 --> 00:49:31,567 Exigent. 752 00:49:31,569 --> 00:49:32,735 West: What do you mean by that? 753 00:49:32,737 --> 00:49:37,273 "Do your homework, clean your room, don't disappoint us." 754 00:49:40,544 --> 00:49:43,946 Jim: Helping a lot with, uh, schoolwork, 755 00:49:43,948 --> 00:49:46,615 commenting, pulling out the red pen. 756 00:49:46,617 --> 00:49:50,753 Marty ginsburg: Our dear daughter Jane, all smiles, 757 00:49:50,755 --> 00:49:52,788 volunteered to the press. 758 00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:58,127 She had grown up in a home in which responsibility 759 00:49:58,129 --> 00:49:59,362 was equally divided. 760 00:49:59,364 --> 00:50:03,966 Her father did the cooking, she explained, and her mother 761 00:50:03,968 --> 00:50:07,870 - did the thinking. 762 00:50:07,971 --> 00:50:10,840 West: So is she really such a horrible cook? 763 00:50:10,842 --> 00:50:11,874 - Yes. - Jim: Oh yeah. 764 00:50:11,876 --> 00:50:13,976 To this day I still can't eat swordfish... 765 00:50:13,978 --> 00:50:16,946 After what she did to it. 766 00:50:16,948 --> 00:50:19,615 It wasn't until I was 14 that I encountered 767 00:50:19,617 --> 00:50:21,384 a live vegetable. 768 00:50:21,386 --> 00:50:24,820 Marty: Ruth is no longer permitted in the kitchen... 769 00:50:25,556 --> 00:50:29,358 ...this by the demand of our children, who have taste. 770 00:50:40,270 --> 00:50:46,809 This is a book that tata, he collected letters about me 771 00:50:46,811 --> 00:50:48,144 for my 50th birthday. 772 00:50:48,146 --> 00:50:51,447 - Tata organized all this. - It was his idea. 773 00:50:51,449 --> 00:50:53,949 Tata, my... her husband, my grandfather, 774 00:50:53,951 --> 00:50:54,917 he was especially doting, 775 00:50:54,919 --> 00:50:58,821 so they almost had a bad cop, good cop relationship, 776 00:50:58,823 --> 00:51:00,623 when it came to the grandkids. 777 00:51:00,625 --> 00:51:03,559 Tata was more often the good cop i would say, 778 00:51:03,561 --> 00:51:07,029 uh, mostly because bubbe was often buried in her work 779 00:51:07,031 --> 00:51:08,097 so if we really wanted something, 780 00:51:08,099 --> 00:51:12,101 we felt like we could nag tata more often for it. 781 00:51:12,569 --> 00:51:13,169 "Dear Ruth, 782 00:51:13,171 --> 00:51:16,906 I have little doubt that you are proud, rightly so, 783 00:51:16,908 --> 00:51:19,208 of all you have achieved as a judge 784 00:51:19,210 --> 00:51:21,744 and as a spouse and a parent as well. 785 00:51:21,746 --> 00:51:23,946 But I conceive no way you can take 786 00:51:23,948 --> 00:51:27,817 greater pride than I do. Love, tata." 787 00:51:27,819 --> 00:51:30,219 - Nice. - Very nice. 788 00:51:30,821 --> 00:51:33,289 - Do you read these often? - No, I never read them. 789 00:51:33,291 --> 00:51:35,958 You should, they are very nice, if you ever need a boost 790 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,860 of self-confidence. 791 00:51:38,028 --> 00:51:40,529 So much of the shape of America is a work 792 00:51:40,531 --> 00:51:41,363 of the U.S. supreme court 793 00:51:41,365 --> 00:51:44,700 and so the makeup of that court is one of the enduring legacies 794 00:51:44,702 --> 00:51:47,203 of a president who has an opportunity to appoint 795 00:51:47,205 --> 00:51:49,772 justices. And tonight this new president 796 00:51:49,774 --> 00:51:52,174 has his first chance to make it a Clinton court. 797 00:51:52,176 --> 00:51:55,978 This president has a very clear idea of what he wants 798 00:51:55,980 --> 00:51:56,579 in this justice. 799 00:51:56,581 --> 00:52:00,549 Bill Clinton: I really did want to put governor cuomo on the court, 800 00:52:00,551 --> 00:52:03,352 but he didn't want to do it so I started looking around. 801 00:52:03,354 --> 00:52:07,389 He kept moving from his favorite person of the week 802 00:52:07,391 --> 00:52:09,391 to the next favorite person of the week 803 00:52:09,393 --> 00:52:13,896 and judge ginsburg was sort of old to be a nominee. 804 00:52:13,898 --> 00:52:18,801 She was in her early 60s. Most people, I think, thought 805 00:52:18,803 --> 00:52:21,103 she was out of the running for that reason 806 00:52:21,105 --> 00:52:24,340 and Marty was just not gonna accept that. 807 00:52:24,342 --> 00:52:26,609 Miller: We're talking about Ruth 808 00:52:26,611 --> 00:52:29,678 and we must remember how shy she was. 809 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:36,485 I can't think of anyone less likely to toot her own horn 810 00:52:36,786 --> 00:52:38,621 than Ruth. 811 00:52:38,955 --> 00:52:42,525 So Marty had to play the New York philharmonic. 812 00:52:54,905 --> 00:52:56,138 Ruth: No question about it, 813 00:52:56,140 --> 00:52:58,174 people who observed at the time, said, 814 00:52:58,176 --> 00:53:02,344 "well, Ruth would have been on a list, maybe she would be 22 815 00:53:02,346 --> 00:53:07,049 or 23 but it was Marty who made her number one. 816 00:53:08,051 --> 00:53:13,989 He had a little book of people that he contacted. They were... 817 00:53:14,524 --> 00:53:18,227 Totenberg: He had lots of contacts in the business community, 818 00:53:18,229 --> 00:53:20,696 lots of contacts in the legal community, 819 00:53:20,698 --> 00:53:24,767 in the academic community, among the women she had helped. 820 00:53:24,769 --> 00:53:29,138 And he... I don't even know all the things he did. 821 00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:33,842 He was so in love with his wife and so respected her 822 00:53:33,844 --> 00:53:36,712 as a real giant in the legal profession, 823 00:53:36,714 --> 00:53:37,880 he felt it would be an outrage 824 00:53:37,882 --> 00:53:39,915 if she wasn't seriously considered. 825 00:53:39,917 --> 00:53:43,219 And look, he wasn't the only one that was campaigning 826 00:53:43,221 --> 00:53:44,853 for somebody to be on the court. 827 00:53:44,855 --> 00:53:47,223 He had some pretty stiff opposition... 828 00:53:47,225 --> 00:53:51,026 But it was her interview that did it. 829 00:53:53,296 --> 00:53:55,831 We arranged for her to come to the white house. 830 00:53:55,833 --> 00:53:57,967 I wanted to see how her mind worked. 831 00:53:57,969 --> 00:53:59,768 So I engaged her in this conversation. 832 00:53:59,770 --> 00:54:02,538 And all of a sudden, I wasn't the president interviewing her 833 00:54:02,540 --> 00:54:05,507 for the supreme court anymore, we were two people having 834 00:54:05,509 --> 00:54:08,277 an honest discussion about what's the best way 835 00:54:08,279 --> 00:54:12,314 in the moment and for the future to make law. 836 00:54:12,316 --> 00:54:16,518 Totenberg: Ruth ginsburg, as quiet and kind of withdrawn 837 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,923 and almost timid as she can be, she is a performer 838 00:54:20,925 --> 00:54:23,359 and she walked in that room and he fell for her. 839 00:54:23,361 --> 00:54:26,428 Literally, within 15 minutes, i decided 840 00:54:26,430 --> 00:54:27,796 I was going to name her. 841 00:54:31,369 --> 00:54:34,603 Clinton: I'm proud to nominate this path-breaking attorney, 842 00:54:34,605 --> 00:54:38,574 advocate, and judge to be the 107th justice 843 00:54:38,576 --> 00:54:42,478 to the United States supreme court. 844 00:54:48,418 --> 00:54:52,454 Ruth: When I was nominated back in 1993, 845 00:54:52,456 --> 00:54:55,024 senator biden chaired the committee. 846 00:54:55,026 --> 00:54:59,028 The leading republican member was orrin hatch. 847 00:54:59,030 --> 00:55:01,230 Man: Do you have any concerns right now? 848 00:55:01,232 --> 00:55:02,064 There are always concerns 849 00:55:02,066 --> 00:55:04,466 because these are very important positions. 850 00:55:04,468 --> 00:55:07,803 And so there will be a lot of questions asked. 851 00:55:12,075 --> 00:55:16,078 Day two of the Ruth bader ginsburg confirmation hearings. 852 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,179 Judge ginsburg did something 853 00:55:17,181 --> 00:55:20,883 no recent high court nominee has done, spoke at length 854 00:55:20,885 --> 00:55:23,786 about her support for abortion rights. 855 00:55:23,788 --> 00:55:28,824 It is essential to women's equality with man... 856 00:55:28,826 --> 00:55:33,929 That her choice... that she be the decision maker. 857 00:55:33,931 --> 00:55:38,567 This is something central to a woman's... 858 00:55:38,668 --> 00:55:40,569 Life, to her dignity. 859 00:55:40,571 --> 00:55:43,906 And when government controls that decision for her, 860 00:55:43,908 --> 00:55:49,044 she is being treated as less than a fully adult... 861 00:55:49,046 --> 00:55:51,680 Human responsible for... 862 00:55:52,182 --> 00:55:54,016 Her own choices. 863 00:55:54,018 --> 00:55:57,820 She was put on the court by a liberal president, 864 00:55:57,822 --> 00:56:01,190 uh, as a liberal justice. 865 00:56:01,192 --> 00:56:03,425 And that's the way this country works. 866 00:56:03,427 --> 00:56:05,894 Orrin hatch: I disagree with you on a number of things, 867 00:56:05,896 --> 00:56:08,030 and I am sure you disagree with me. 868 00:56:08,032 --> 00:56:09,331 But that isn't the issue, is it? 869 00:56:09,333 --> 00:56:13,202 And frankly, I admire you. You've earned the right, 870 00:56:13,204 --> 00:56:16,138 in my opinion, to be on the supreme court. 871 00:56:16,373 --> 00:56:17,606 She was confirmed 96-3. 872 00:56:17,608 --> 00:56:20,843 Now, you could argue that it was not as partisan a time 873 00:56:20,845 --> 00:56:23,512 as it is now but it was pretty partisan. 874 00:56:35,425 --> 00:56:37,493 News anchor: Promising to defend the constitution, 875 00:56:37,495 --> 00:56:40,496 pioneering women's rights advocate Ruth bader ginsburg 876 00:56:40,498 --> 00:56:42,464 has been sworn in as the second woman, 877 00:56:42,466 --> 00:56:44,266 on the U.S. supreme court bench. 878 00:56:44,268 --> 00:56:47,069 I will well and faithfully discharge. 879 00:56:47,071 --> 00:56:50,406 The duties of the office on which I am about to enter. 880 00:56:50,408 --> 00:56:54,977 The duties of the office on which I am about to enter. 881 00:56:54,979 --> 00:56:58,480 - So help me god. - So help me god. 882 00:57:01,252 --> 00:57:04,920 Peratis: It was extremely exciting because this 883 00:57:04,922 --> 00:57:08,957 powerful little woman was going on the supreme court, 884 00:57:08,959 --> 00:57:11,660 and that meant there were going to be two. 885 00:57:22,906 --> 00:57:25,974 The standard robe is made for a man, 886 00:57:25,976 --> 00:57:31,046 because it has a place for the shirt to show and the tie. 887 00:57:31,048 --> 00:57:35,284 So Sandra day o'Connor and I, thought it would be appropriate 888 00:57:35,286 --> 00:57:39,254 if we included as part of our robe, 889 00:57:39,256 --> 00:57:42,324 something typical of a woman. 890 00:57:43,326 --> 00:57:46,261 During my long tenure here, i was not 891 00:57:46,263 --> 00:57:49,131 the most quote, liberal justice on the court. 892 00:57:49,133 --> 00:57:52,734 From the beginning, I think what she was looking for 893 00:57:52,736 --> 00:57:55,437 was to build consensus. 894 00:57:55,505 --> 00:57:57,339 Even though chief justice rehnquist 895 00:57:57,341 --> 00:58:00,476 and Sandra day o'Connor were conservative justices. 896 00:58:00,478 --> 00:58:03,345 They were still justices with which, 897 00:58:03,347 --> 00:58:06,782 ginsburg was able to find common ground. 898 00:58:06,784 --> 00:58:07,616 That was her style. 899 00:58:07,618 --> 00:58:11,854 She really wanted to be able to convince her fellow justices 900 00:58:11,856 --> 00:58:13,822 to move her way even if it means 901 00:58:13,824 --> 00:58:17,559 conceding certain things and compromising. 902 00:58:30,874 --> 00:58:34,009 To start out, I thought you might like to know 903 00:58:34,011 --> 00:58:39,214 a little about the gentlemen who are surrounding us. 904 00:58:39,216 --> 00:58:43,051 These are the first set of chief justices 905 00:58:43,053 --> 00:58:44,219 of the supreme court. 906 00:58:44,221 --> 00:58:49,591 John Marshall is the 4th chief justice and what he said was, 907 00:58:49,593 --> 00:58:52,160 that this constitution 908 00:58:52,228 --> 00:58:54,329 is the highest law of the land. 909 00:58:54,331 --> 00:59:00,202 The 14th amendment has a clause that you all should know about 910 00:59:00,204 --> 00:59:03,839 and I'll read it to you. It says... 911 00:59:05,041 --> 00:59:09,711 "And nor shall any state deny to any person 912 00:59:09,713 --> 00:59:14,082 the equal protection of the laws." 913 00:59:14,217 --> 00:59:16,385 So if congress passes a law 914 00:59:16,387 --> 00:59:19,721 or the president issues an executive order 915 00:59:19,723 --> 00:59:23,325 that is in conflict with the constitution, 916 00:59:23,426 --> 00:59:27,629 the constitution must prevail. 917 00:59:46,649 --> 00:59:54,489 Frelinghuysen: Vmi was a 150 year old, all-male military college. 918 00:59:54,491 --> 00:59:58,927 It had a tremendous endowment, well-connected alumni, 919 00:59:58,929 --> 00:59:59,828 four star generals. 920 00:59:59,830 --> 01:00:03,231 When you came out of vmi that was something. 921 01:00:03,233 --> 01:00:05,167 Bryant gumbel: Virginia military institute was the last 922 01:00:05,169 --> 01:00:06,969 all-male state supported school in the country. 923 01:00:06,971 --> 01:00:12,841 157 years of school tradition as an all-male military academy. 924 01:00:13,543 --> 01:00:17,279 Ted Olson: Boys can be troublesome, full of hormones and so forth, 925 01:00:17,281 --> 01:00:21,083 and I don't mean to make general gender characteristics 926 01:00:21,085 --> 01:00:24,219 or generalizations here but for some young men, 927 01:00:24,221 --> 01:00:27,789 at that time of their life they need discipline, 928 01:00:27,791 --> 01:00:30,058 they need hard work and they need 929 01:00:30,060 --> 01:00:33,228 not a lot of extra time to get into trouble. 930 01:00:33,230 --> 01:00:34,596 And vmi provided that. 931 01:00:34,598 --> 01:00:37,065 Man: Look at the men which stand before you! 932 01:00:37,067 --> 01:00:40,802 They represent the essence of vmi! 933 01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:44,806 A female high school student wanted to attend vmi. 934 01:00:44,808 --> 01:00:49,177 So she brought a case against Virginia, claiming that 935 01:00:49,179 --> 01:00:53,281 the all-male admissions policy violated equal protection. 936 01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:54,616 It actually went from the district court 937 01:00:54,618 --> 01:00:57,986 to the appellate court before it came up to the supreme court. 938 01:00:57,988 --> 01:01:02,924 This was an extremely important case for justice ginsburg. 939 01:01:02,926 --> 01:01:08,897 It was her first women's rights case on the supreme court. 940 01:01:09,165 --> 01:01:11,099 Court officer: The honorable chief justice 941 01:01:11,101 --> 01:01:14,436 and the associate justices of the supreme court 942 01:01:14,438 --> 01:01:16,171 of the United States. 943 01:01:16,774 --> 01:01:19,908 Olson: I was very much aware of justice ginsburg's history 944 01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:23,879 with respect to gender excluding women from an institution. 945 01:01:23,881 --> 01:01:27,616 I was very much aware of that and I was trying to fashion 946 01:01:27,618 --> 01:01:31,887 an argument that would penetrate that. 947 01:01:42,865 --> 01:01:46,702 Ruth: 948 01:01:53,443 --> 01:01:56,778 Olson: 949 01:02:01,117 --> 01:02:02,217 Ruth: 950 01:02:02,219 --> 01:02:04,586 Olson: 951 01:02:04,588 --> 01:02:11,326 I was dealing with a very worthy and formidable force 952 01:02:11,328 --> 01:02:13,495 at the other side of that bench. 953 01:02:13,497 --> 01:02:18,233 Ruth: 954 01:02:20,837 --> 01:02:23,705 Olson: 955 01:02:26,242 --> 01:02:30,946 That was my pitch. As you know it didn't work. 956 01:02:38,721 --> 01:02:41,590 Ruth: 957 01:03:02,845 --> 01:03:05,981 ...to aspire, achieve, 958 01:03:05,983 --> 01:03:11,319 participate in, and contribute to society... 959 01:03:11,554 --> 01:03:13,889 Based on what they can do. 960 01:03:13,891 --> 01:03:17,025 News anchor: The for-men only tradition of vmi became history 961 01:03:17,027 --> 01:03:20,562 with the arrival of women entering as first year cadets. 962 01:03:20,564 --> 01:03:23,732 Man: Cadre, take charge of your rats. 963 01:03:26,435 --> 01:03:29,471 Kelly Sullivan: I was in the first class of women. 964 01:03:29,473 --> 01:03:34,009 We were here not to break tradition not to ruin history 965 01:03:34,011 --> 01:03:36,111 but to help grow it. 966 01:03:40,316 --> 01:03:43,351 For those four years I worked extremely hard, 967 01:03:43,353 --> 01:03:45,754 to be the best person I could be 968 01:03:45,756 --> 01:03:46,988 and to represent women as a whole. 969 01:03:46,990 --> 01:03:50,458 I wanted to be that person that stood in front of the men 970 01:03:50,460 --> 01:03:52,527 and said, "i can do it, too." 971 01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,367 General peay: It's most appropriate 972 01:03:59,369 --> 01:04:00,135 that we welcome today 973 01:04:00,137 --> 01:04:03,271 a member of our nation's highest court, a notable example 974 01:04:03,273 --> 01:04:07,275 of a citizen with a lifelong dedication to public service, 975 01:04:07,277 --> 01:04:09,878 - justice Ruth bader ginsburg. 976 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:11,246 - Thank you. - General peay: Welcome 977 01:04:11,248 --> 01:04:13,882 to the Virginia military institute. 978 01:04:13,884 --> 01:04:16,918 Vmi fought very hard to keep women out. 979 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,121 I had an alumni walk up to me, and he says, 980 01:04:20,123 --> 01:04:22,858 "I'm not going to shake your hand. I want to know 981 01:04:22,860 --> 01:04:24,426 why you're here, 982 01:04:24,428 --> 01:04:27,629 um, and why you decided to ruin my school." 983 01:04:27,631 --> 01:04:31,566 I know that there were some people who did not... 984 01:04:31,634 --> 01:04:36,571 React well to the change and my response to this was, 985 01:04:36,573 --> 01:04:41,243 "wait and see, you will be proud of the women 986 01:04:41,245 --> 01:04:44,679 who become graduates of vmi." 987 01:04:48,017 --> 01:04:51,820 It wasn't just about vmi, it was about the notion 988 01:04:51,822 --> 01:04:56,524 that you cannot exclude women just because they're women. 989 01:04:56,526 --> 01:05:01,229 You cannot say categorically, "they can't handle this." 990 01:05:01,231 --> 01:05:04,199 It's way beyond vmi, way beyond. 991 01:05:04,201 --> 01:05:08,203 And she pulled some of the justices of that court 992 01:05:08,205 --> 01:05:14,943 over to see that you start, you start with an assumption 993 01:05:14,945 --> 01:05:19,648 that you have got to treat both genders equally. 994 01:05:19,650 --> 01:05:23,752 Feigen: That majority opinion, was the culmination of Ruth's 995 01:05:23,754 --> 01:05:28,256 dedication to the concept of equality for women. 996 01:05:29,992 --> 01:05:33,128 Ruth: Those are current cadets. 997 01:05:34,897 --> 01:05:40,635 One wanted to be a nuclear scientist, the others engineers. 998 01:05:40,703 --> 01:05:44,572 All very well adjusted to life at vmi. 999 01:05:51,013 --> 01:05:53,415 So, you can see... 1000 01:05:53,649 --> 01:05:58,320 Many varieties there are more up on top. 1001 01:05:58,322 --> 01:06:01,356 This is the latest one I've gotten. 1002 01:06:02,391 --> 01:06:04,726 West: So people just send them to you? 1003 01:06:04,728 --> 01:06:06,161 Yes. 1004 01:06:08,164 --> 01:06:09,798 What's in this one? 1005 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:14,769 Oh this one was given to me by the university of Hawaii, 1006 01:06:14,771 --> 01:06:16,905 with French lace... 1007 01:06:17,173 --> 01:06:19,808 And the beads are from the beach. 1008 01:06:21,544 --> 01:06:26,881 It is a gift from law clerks, a few terms back. 1009 01:06:26,883 --> 01:06:29,417 And this is what I use... 1010 01:06:29,419 --> 01:06:32,420 For announcing majority opinion. 1011 01:06:32,422 --> 01:06:36,858 And this one is for dissenting opinion. 1012 01:06:42,365 --> 01:06:45,834 Ruth: Every day before we sit in the court, 1013 01:06:45,836 --> 01:06:48,670 the first thing we do is, we go around the room 1014 01:06:48,672 --> 01:06:52,741 each justice shaking hands with every other. 1015 01:06:52,743 --> 01:06:55,910 We know that collegiality is very important 1016 01:06:55,912 --> 01:06:58,747 to the effective working of the court. 1017 01:06:58,749 --> 01:07:04,419 So we better respect each other and even like each other. 1018 01:07:04,421 --> 01:07:06,321 She did something I'm not sure i could have done, 1019 01:07:06,323 --> 01:07:07,822 she made real friendship with scalia. 1020 01:07:07,824 --> 01:07:12,394 Totenberg: They are the leading voice of opposite points of views 1021 01:07:12,396 --> 01:07:13,995 on the United States supreme court. 1022 01:07:13,997 --> 01:07:16,297 Why don't you call us, the odd couple? 1023 01:07:18,402 --> 01:07:23,738 - He is a very funny fellow. - She is a very nice person, 1024 01:07:23,740 --> 01:07:26,841 she likes opera, what's not to like? 1025 01:07:27,410 --> 01:07:30,178 Except her views of law of course. 1026 01:07:31,882 --> 01:07:35,216 Helen alvar�: Justice scalia believes that one should read 1027 01:07:35,218 --> 01:07:38,653 the constitution according to its plain language, 1028 01:07:38,655 --> 01:07:42,957 according to the meanings that were ascribed, uh, 1029 01:07:42,959 --> 01:07:46,895 to those words when those words were enacted. 1030 01:07:46,897 --> 01:07:49,130 But you're saying is, let's try to figure out 1031 01:07:49,132 --> 01:07:52,534 the mindset of people back 200 years ago, right? 1032 01:07:52,536 --> 01:07:57,072 Well, it isn't the mindset, it's what did the words mean 1033 01:07:57,074 --> 01:07:59,507 to the people who ratified the bill of rights 1034 01:07:59,509 --> 01:08:01,142 or who ratified the constitution. 1035 01:08:01,144 --> 01:08:02,777 As opposed to what people today think it meant? 1036 01:08:02,779 --> 01:08:05,914 As opposed to what people today would like. 1037 01:08:05,916 --> 01:08:07,515 I see the constitution, 1038 01:08:07,517 --> 01:08:11,152 as striving for a more perfect union. 1039 01:08:11,154 --> 01:08:14,489 Who were we the people in 1787? 1040 01:08:14,491 --> 01:08:16,658 You would not be among we the people, 1041 01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:20,428 African Americans would not be among the people. 1042 01:08:20,430 --> 01:08:22,997 Gene scalia: She's this supposed famous liberal, 1043 01:08:22,999 --> 01:08:25,233 he's this supposed famous conservative. 1044 01:08:25,235 --> 01:08:28,636 She's a Jewish, he's, uh, catholic. 1045 01:08:28,638 --> 01:08:32,574 She's retiring at times, and he almost never is. 1046 01:08:32,576 --> 01:08:37,212 And yet as with many great friendships there's chemistry 1047 01:08:37,214 --> 01:08:39,380 that maybe you can't entirely explain. 1048 01:08:39,382 --> 01:08:42,817 That's thing about Ruth is that she can compartmentalize 1049 01:08:42,819 --> 01:08:46,254 better than I do. She is able to have a close friend 1050 01:08:46,256 --> 01:08:49,190 who had these outrageous views, um, 1051 01:08:49,192 --> 01:08:52,460 about women and about gays and lesbians. 1052 01:08:52,462 --> 01:08:53,761 I have a little bit of trouble with that. 1053 01:08:53,763 --> 01:08:56,498 I don't have close friends who are right wing nutcases. 1054 01:08:56,500 --> 01:08:58,600 Even though they had differing points of view, 1055 01:08:58,602 --> 01:09:01,469 they were dear friends. I'm sure they were... 1056 01:09:01,471 --> 01:09:03,638 Picking at each other the whole time. 1057 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,206 But they kind of enjoyed it. 1058 01:09:05,208 --> 01:09:08,276 Ruth: Justice scalia would whisper something to me. 1059 01:09:08,278 --> 01:09:11,946 All I could do to avoid laughing out loud, 1060 01:09:11,948 --> 01:09:14,616 so I would sometimes pinch myself. 1061 01:09:14,683 --> 01:09:15,617 People sometimes ask me, 1062 01:09:15,619 --> 01:09:18,486 "well, what was your favorite scalia joke?" And I said, 1063 01:09:18,488 --> 01:09:21,022 "i know what it is, but I can't tell you." 1064 01:09:21,925 --> 01:09:23,558 They enjoyed going to the operas together, 1065 01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,561 and they enjoyed discussing particular operas 1066 01:09:26,563 --> 01:09:30,765 and of course, they appeared together in an opera. 1067 01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,369 Totenberg: What's the most fun thing you've ever done together? 1068 01:09:34,371 --> 01:09:37,005 Was it being on that elephant together in India? 1069 01:09:37,007 --> 01:09:39,507 Ruth: That was a rather bumpy ride. 1070 01:09:39,509 --> 01:09:43,511 Antonin scalia: Some of her feminist friends gave her a hard time 1071 01:09:43,513 --> 01:09:46,548 because she rode behind me on the elephant. 1072 01:09:47,184 --> 01:09:48,550 - And that's wha... - I'm not kidding. 1073 01:09:48,552 --> 01:09:52,787 It... it was... the driver explained it was a matter 1074 01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:54,589 of distribution of weight. 1075 01:09:56,059 --> 01:09:59,093 Washington has a reputation as being a hard town 1076 01:09:59,095 --> 01:09:59,928 to make good friendships. 1077 01:09:59,930 --> 01:10:03,131 And the supreme court itself is a place where your colleagues 1078 01:10:03,133 --> 01:10:05,600 on any given case are also your adversaries. 1079 01:10:05,602 --> 01:10:08,770 It was very gratifying to see the two of them together 1080 01:10:08,772 --> 01:10:10,672 and know that they had their disagreements 1081 01:10:10,674 --> 01:10:14,709 but that my father had this just really wonderful friend. 1082 01:10:15,511 --> 01:10:17,478 Peter Jennings: The presidential election is over. 1083 01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:22,217 George Bush prevails by one vote in the supreme court. 1084 01:10:22,785 --> 01:10:24,786 George, this effectively ends the election. 1085 01:10:24,788 --> 01:10:26,421 It has ended the election and Peter, literally 1086 01:10:26,423 --> 01:10:28,990 one of the closest elections in American history. 1087 01:10:28,992 --> 01:10:32,360 600 votes approximately separated Gore and bush 1088 01:10:32,362 --> 01:10:34,729 in the state of Florida, and now by one vote 1089 01:10:34,731 --> 01:10:37,498 on the supreme court, this election is over. 1090 01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:40,235 Look at the dissents and the strong language 1091 01:10:40,237 --> 01:10:42,103 in the dissents. Justice ginsburg, 1092 01:10:42,105 --> 01:10:43,004 "the court's conclusion 1093 01:10:43,006 --> 01:10:45,039 that a recount is impractical, is a prophecy 1094 01:10:45,041 --> 01:10:48,610 the court's own judgment will not allow to be tested. 1095 01:10:48,612 --> 01:10:50,378 Such an untested prophecy..." 1096 01:10:50,380 --> 01:10:53,848 ...should not decide the presidency 1097 01:10:53,850 --> 01:10:56,251 of the United States. 1098 01:10:56,585 --> 01:10:58,186 I dissent. 1099 01:10:59,355 --> 01:11:01,990 Carmon: She was never supposed to be the great dissenter 1100 01:11:01,992 --> 01:11:06,227 but that's the course that history took her on. 1101 01:11:06,862 --> 01:11:11,532 George w. Bush was able to appoint two justices. 1102 01:11:11,534 --> 01:11:16,404 The addition of Samuel alito and John Roberts on the court 1103 01:11:16,406 --> 01:11:17,872 pushed it far to the right. 1104 01:11:17,874 --> 01:11:23,544 Frelinghuysen: The role of an individual justice can change dramatically 1105 01:11:23,546 --> 01:11:24,979 as the court changes. 1106 01:11:24,981 --> 01:11:28,116 With the departure of justice o'Connor 1107 01:11:28,118 --> 01:11:32,120 and with more conservatives joining the bench. 1108 01:11:32,122 --> 01:11:37,825 She found she had to really exercise her dissenting voice. 1109 01:11:39,361 --> 01:11:42,964 Ruth: Of course I prefer to be in the majority 1110 01:11:42,966 --> 01:11:45,233 but if necessary... 1111 01:11:45,434 --> 01:11:49,771 I will write separately in dissent. 1112 01:11:54,877 --> 01:11:56,811 Lilly ledbetter: I went to work one night 1113 01:11:56,813 --> 01:11:58,346 and someone had left me a note. 1114 01:11:58,348 --> 01:12:04,852 It had my name and three men. We four had the exact same job. 1115 01:12:04,854 --> 01:12:08,289 My pay was 40 percent less than theirs. 1116 01:12:08,291 --> 01:12:11,192 I had been shortchanged for no other reason 1117 01:12:11,194 --> 01:12:16,197 than I had been born the wrong sex, I was a woman. 1118 01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:18,966 The jury found that I had been discriminated against 1119 01:12:18,968 --> 01:12:22,670 but of course, goodyear appealed and then we were notified 1120 01:12:22,672 --> 01:12:26,474 that we would be heard in the supreme court. 1121 01:12:27,743 --> 01:12:29,043 I looked at the court makeup, 1122 01:12:29,045 --> 01:12:32,880 that's when justice alito had just gone on the bench. 1123 01:12:32,882 --> 01:12:37,018 Justice ginsburg at the time was the only female left. 1124 01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:41,422 Justice alito read the opinion, he said, "i was definitely 1125 01:12:41,424 --> 01:12:46,728 discriminated against but I had not filed my charge timely, 1126 01:12:46,730 --> 01:12:50,665 that I'd waited too late to file my charge." 1127 01:12:55,337 --> 01:12:59,006 Ruth: 1128 01:13:23,999 --> 01:13:27,468 She's hit the nail on the head because she definitely said, 1129 01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:31,172 "they do not know what it's like in the real world." 1130 01:13:31,174 --> 01:13:35,176 Ruth: Today, the ball again lies in congress' court... 1131 01:13:35,178 --> 01:13:40,081 "...to correct the error into which the court has fallen." 1132 01:13:40,083 --> 01:13:43,618 She was laying down a marker for congress and in fact 1133 01:13:43,620 --> 01:13:46,387 federal law was changed because of her dissent. 1134 01:13:46,389 --> 01:13:50,525 Three fifths of the senators having voted in the affirmative, 1135 01:13:50,527 --> 01:13:52,260 the bill has passed. 1136 01:13:55,798 --> 01:14:01,736 Barack Obama: It is fitting that the very first bill that I sign, 1137 01:14:01,738 --> 01:14:06,774 the Lilly ledbetter fair pay restoration act is upholding 1138 01:14:06,776 --> 01:14:10,645 one of this nation's founding principles... 1139 01:14:10,712 --> 01:14:12,914 That we are all created equal... 1140 01:14:12,916 --> 01:14:15,917 And each deserve a chance to pursue 1141 01:14:15,919 --> 01:14:18,119 our own version of happiness. 1142 01:14:28,297 --> 01:14:31,032 Marty: Ruth and I were in New York City 1143 01:14:31,034 --> 01:14:32,767 to see the play proof. 1144 01:14:32,769 --> 01:14:35,803 And as we walked down the aisle to our seats, 1145 01:14:35,805 --> 01:14:41,342 what seemed like the entire audience began to applaud, 1146 01:14:41,344 --> 01:14:44,846 many stood, Ruth beamed. 1147 01:14:44,913 --> 01:14:48,316 I beamed too, leaned over 1148 01:14:48,318 --> 01:14:52,220 and whispered loudly, "i bet you didn't know 1149 01:14:52,222 --> 01:14:55,523 there's a convention of tax lawyers in town." 1150 01:14:57,260 --> 01:15:00,928 Well, without changing her bright smile, 1151 01:15:00,930 --> 01:15:04,065 Ruth smacked me right in the stomach. 1152 01:15:04,067 --> 01:15:08,703 I give you this picture because it fairly captures 1153 01:15:08,705 --> 01:15:11,606 our nearly 50-year happy marriage. 1154 01:15:11,608 --> 01:15:15,977 During which I've offered up an astonishing number of foolish 1155 01:15:15,979 --> 01:15:20,882 pronouncements and Ruth has ignored almost every one. 1156 01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:28,389 Well, I think part of the time 1157 01:15:28,391 --> 01:15:31,025 when he was sick, she was in denial. 1158 01:15:31,027 --> 01:15:33,794 He just became weaker and weaker. 1159 01:15:33,796 --> 01:15:39,600 The way people get sick when they're close to dying, but... 1160 01:15:39,935 --> 01:15:46,040 She somehow knew how to turn off those tear ducts in public. 1161 01:15:46,108 --> 01:15:48,676 She steeled herself for it. 1162 01:15:49,678 --> 01:15:52,947 Ruth: I found this letter... 1163 01:15:52,949 --> 01:15:56,617 Next to Marty's bed in the hospital. 1164 01:15:56,885 --> 01:15:58,619 "My dearest Ruth, 1165 01:15:58,621 --> 01:16:02,690 you are the only person I have loved in my life, 1166 01:16:02,692 --> 01:16:07,795 setting aside a bit parents and kids and their kids. 1167 01:16:07,797 --> 01:16:11,599 What a treat it has been to watch you progress 1168 01:16:11,601 --> 01:16:15,102 to the very top of the legal world. 1169 01:16:15,170 --> 01:16:18,673 I have admired and loved you almost since the day 1170 01:16:18,675 --> 01:16:23,778 we first met at Cornell, some 56 years ago. 1171 01:16:25,180 --> 01:16:29,450 The time has come for me to take leave of life... 1172 01:16:29,518 --> 01:16:32,186 Because the loss of quality... 1173 01:16:32,254 --> 01:16:35,957 Now simply overwhelms. 1174 01:16:36,291 --> 01:16:40,528 I hope you will support where I come out... 1175 01:16:40,896 --> 01:16:43,931 And I understand you may not. 1176 01:16:45,534 --> 01:16:47,969 I will not love you... 1177 01:16:48,837 --> 01:16:50,972 A jot less." 1178 01:16:53,742 --> 01:16:57,612 Marty: We met on a blind date in 1950. 1179 01:16:57,614 --> 01:17:02,249 The truth is it was a blind date only on Ruth's side. 1180 01:17:04,253 --> 01:17:07,254 Marty: I cheated. 1181 01:17:07,256 --> 01:17:12,226 Marty: I asked a classmate to point her out in advance. 1182 01:17:12,228 --> 01:17:17,031 "Oh, ho, she's really cute," I perceptively noticed. 1183 01:17:17,033 --> 01:17:21,435 And then after a couple of evenings out, I, uh, added, 1184 01:17:21,437 --> 01:17:25,006 "and boy she's really, really smart." 1185 01:17:25,008 --> 01:17:30,478 In the intervening 53 years, nothing changed. 1186 01:17:38,453 --> 01:17:39,286 Where are we headed? 1187 01:17:39,288 --> 01:17:41,589 We're headed to these outdoor sculptures, 1188 01:17:41,591 --> 01:17:44,058 and all the sculptures are done by contemporary 1189 01:17:44,060 --> 01:17:45,026 native American artists. 1190 01:17:45,028 --> 01:17:49,497 Spera: After a period of very justified mourning, 1191 01:17:49,499 --> 01:17:52,500 she sort of relaunched herself, into her work 1192 01:17:52,502 --> 01:17:55,002 and filled the time that she would have spent 1193 01:17:55,004 --> 01:17:59,006 with my grandfather, with work both to distract herself I think 1194 01:17:59,008 --> 01:18:02,209 from his absence but also to honor him. 1195 01:18:02,211 --> 01:18:06,647 Woman: This is her son, James, and this is her grandson... 1196 01:18:07,282 --> 01:18:08,649 Totenberg: Marty was her life. 1197 01:18:08,651 --> 01:18:11,786 And her children and grandchildren who 1198 01:18:11,788 --> 01:18:13,654 have a life of their own. 1199 01:18:13,656 --> 01:18:16,023 She's very much interested in arts 1200 01:18:16,025 --> 01:18:17,792 and loves to go to those things. 1201 01:18:17,794 --> 01:18:20,928 And then she goes home at the end of the evening 1202 01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:22,663 and works until four in the morning. 1203 01:18:22,665 --> 01:18:26,400 These two pieces are by a creek artist. 1204 01:18:26,402 --> 01:18:28,636 Ruth: And what is she called, that one? 1205 01:18:28,638 --> 01:18:29,704 Tour guide: She's called a woman warrior. 1206 01:18:29,706 --> 01:18:34,575 Any kind of battle you bring to her, she's ready for it. 1207 01:18:37,446 --> 01:18:40,081 It's considered one of the most important pieces 1208 01:18:40,083 --> 01:18:42,717 of civil rights legislation ever passed, 1209 01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:45,319 but by 5-4 the U.S. supreme court today, 1210 01:18:45,321 --> 01:18:48,622 took the teeth out of a law enacted nearly 50 years ago. 1211 01:18:48,624 --> 01:18:51,926 Reporter: Voting rights act has policed voting discrimination 1212 01:18:51,928 --> 01:18:55,463 but today's decision effectively puts it on hold. 1213 01:18:55,465 --> 01:18:57,098 Reporter 2: Chief justice, John Roberts, 1214 01:18:57,100 --> 01:19:00,901 summarized his opinion with four telling words, 1215 01:19:00,903 --> 01:19:04,138 "our country has changed." 1216 01:19:06,608 --> 01:19:10,945 Ruth: 1217 01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,616 "...is like throwing away your umbrella... 1218 01:19:16,118 --> 01:19:17,585 In a rainstorm... 1219 01:19:17,587 --> 01:19:19,653 Because you are not getting wet." 1220 01:19:19,655 --> 01:19:24,725 She called out the majority and said this makes zero sense. 1221 01:19:24,727 --> 01:19:29,430 The entire reason that racial discrimination in voting 1222 01:19:29,432 --> 01:19:34,135 is not happening is because we have this very important law. 1223 01:19:34,137 --> 01:19:38,005 I was righteously angry right alongside with her. 1224 01:19:38,007 --> 01:19:41,842 Her dissent was the introduction for many young people 1225 01:19:41,844 --> 01:19:45,045 about how important the court is to our everyday lives. 1226 01:19:45,047 --> 01:19:47,548 I just pulled up Photoshop and did the design 1227 01:19:47,550 --> 01:19:48,349 in like 15 minutes. 1228 01:19:48,351 --> 01:19:49,984 Amina sow: I came up with a couple slogans 1229 01:19:49,986 --> 01:19:52,253 but the one that kept coming back to me was, 1230 01:19:52,255 --> 01:19:55,122 "you can't spell truth without Ruth." 1231 01:19:55,957 --> 01:19:58,125 Knizhnik: A friend of mine posted on Facebook saying, 1232 01:19:58,127 --> 01:20:02,163 "wow! Justice ginsburg, sure can write. #notoriousrbg." 1233 01:20:02,165 --> 01:20:06,400 So I started a tumblr and I called it notorious rbg. 1234 01:20:06,402 --> 01:20:09,336 Notre dame: She is known to fans the world over as, 1235 01:20:09,338 --> 01:20:12,039 the notorious rbg. 1236 01:20:12,474 --> 01:20:15,643 Biggie smalls: This album is dedicated to all the teachers 1237 01:20:15,645 --> 01:20:17,311 that told me I'd never amount to nothing. 1238 01:20:17,313 --> 01:20:22,216 I do know where the notorious rbg came from. 1239 01:20:22,218 --> 01:20:27,655 It... it was the rapper the notorious b.I.G. 1240 01:20:32,695 --> 01:20:37,865 People ask me, "don't you feel uncomfortable being 1241 01:20:37,867 --> 01:20:41,802 with a name like notorious b.I.G?" 1242 01:20:42,538 --> 01:20:46,140 Um... why should I feel uncomfortable? 1243 01:20:46,142 --> 01:20:47,675 We have a lot in common. 1244 01:20:53,181 --> 01:20:55,082 First and foremost... 1245 01:20:55,084 --> 01:20:59,453 We were both born and bred in Brooklyn, New York. 1246 01:21:00,322 --> 01:21:02,790 Sow: Young people are really craving 1247 01:21:02,792 --> 01:21:04,158 different kinds of icons. 1248 01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,460 Realizing that somebody like rbg 1249 01:21:06,462 --> 01:21:08,896 has been doing her job for decades 1250 01:21:08,898 --> 01:21:12,166 and being forceful and speaking truth to power 1251 01:21:12,168 --> 01:21:13,801 kind of blows my mind. 1252 01:21:13,803 --> 01:21:15,903 don lemon: A big win for conservatives 1253 01:21:15,905 --> 01:21:18,272 in the hobby lobby case. 1254 01:21:22,711 --> 01:21:26,380 Roberts: Justice ginsburg has filed a dissenting opinion. 1255 01:21:26,382 --> 01:21:29,516 Ruth: 1256 01:21:37,292 --> 01:21:41,228 We were all so hungry to hear from Ruth bader ginsburg. 1257 01:21:41,230 --> 01:21:43,564 Every time justice ginsburg wrote a dissent, 1258 01:21:43,566 --> 01:21:44,431 the Internet would explode. 1259 01:21:44,433 --> 01:21:46,433 Man 1: Justice ginsburg has filed a dissenting opinion. 1260 01:21:46,435 --> 01:21:48,903 Man 2: Justice ginsburg has filed a dissenting opinion. 1261 01:21:48,905 --> 01:21:51,605 Ruth: My dissenting opinion. I dissent. 1262 01:21:51,607 --> 01:21:52,873 Dissent from today's decision. 1263 01:21:52,875 --> 01:21:55,142 Carmon: You just had to put the words Ruth bader ginsburg 1264 01:21:55,144 --> 01:21:59,513 into something and it would be shared compulsively. 1265 01:22:10,258 --> 01:22:17,131 Totenberg: She's become such a rock star and she enjoys it. 1266 01:22:17,832 --> 01:22:18,432 To see 1267 01:22:18,434 --> 01:22:20,768 people wear notorious rbg t-shirts 1268 01:22:20,770 --> 01:22:24,805 or other paraphernalia with her face on it. 1269 01:22:24,807 --> 01:22:26,006 It's weird honestly. 1270 01:22:26,008 --> 01:22:28,075 She gives her rbg t-shirts to people. 1271 01:22:28,077 --> 01:22:30,678 Edwards: She called and laughed did you get the birthday gift? 1272 01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,813 I said I did I'm wearing it. 1273 01:22:32,815 --> 01:22:34,782 - Tattoos! Yeah. - Lots of tattoos. 1274 01:22:34,784 --> 01:22:37,618 Carmon: I had a picture of one of the tattoos 1275 01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:40,120 and I showed it to her and she goes "uh! 1276 01:22:40,122 --> 01:22:43,090 Why would you do something so permanent?" 1277 01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:47,127 Here now to comment is Ruth bader ginsburg. 1278 01:22:49,998 --> 01:22:51,665 Alright! Justice coming in hot. 1279 01:22:51,667 --> 01:22:55,169 I'm ready to rumble Mayweather, pacquiao style. 1280 01:22:55,171 --> 01:22:58,072 I float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, 1281 01:22:58,074 --> 01:23:00,541 I clean myself like a fly. 1282 01:23:02,878 --> 01:23:03,911 Jim: It's so unlike mom, 1283 01:23:03,913 --> 01:23:07,314 but I don't think mom... An accurate imitation of mom 1284 01:23:07,316 --> 01:23:08,916 would be that funny. 1285 01:23:08,918 --> 01:23:10,884 Betsy: Do you think she watches them? 1286 01:23:10,886 --> 01:23:12,753 I don't think she ever has watched television. 1287 01:23:12,755 --> 01:23:14,455 Yeah, I'm not sure she knows how to turn on... 1288 01:23:14,457 --> 01:23:16,223 No, no, she watches the newshour while she's working out. 1289 01:23:16,225 --> 01:23:19,360 Yeah, but that's at the court, does she know how to turn on 1290 01:23:19,362 --> 01:23:21,028 - the television at home? - I don't think so. 1291 01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:26,433 Here to explain is supreme court justice Ruth bader ginsburg. 1292 01:23:26,435 --> 01:23:28,168 Is this Saturday night live? 1293 01:23:28,170 --> 01:23:33,407 I like my men like I like my decisions: 5-4. 1294 01:23:33,409 --> 01:23:36,043 That's a third degree ginsburn! 1295 01:23:46,388 --> 01:23:49,556 It's marvelously funny. How did they... 1296 01:23:49,558 --> 01:23:51,992 Julie Cohen: Remind you of yourself? 1297 01:23:52,127 --> 01:23:53,727 Not one bit. 1298 01:23:57,132 --> 01:23:58,732 Except for the collar. 1299 01:23:58,734 --> 01:24:00,467 What about the state of the union 1300 01:24:00,469 --> 01:24:01,502 where you were caught sleeping? 1301 01:24:01,504 --> 01:24:04,104 No, I wasn't sleeping i was just giving in 1302 01:24:04,106 --> 01:24:06,740 to the weight of my glasses. 1303 01:24:10,445 --> 01:24:11,812 Spera: Watching the state of the union 1304 01:24:11,814 --> 01:24:14,681 and I notice that her head is drooping a little bit 1305 01:24:14,683 --> 01:24:18,752 and she might have dozed off for about a minute or two. 1306 01:24:18,754 --> 01:24:21,155 After that happened, i called her up and said, 1307 01:24:21,157 --> 01:24:22,189 "you know, bubbe, you were asleep 1308 01:24:22,191 --> 01:24:24,091 during the state of the union, you can't do that." 1309 01:24:24,093 --> 01:24:26,160 Totenberg: You went to the state of the union 1310 01:24:26,162 --> 01:24:27,394 and you fell asleep. 1311 01:24:29,331 --> 01:24:30,931 As I often do. 1312 01:24:30,933 --> 01:24:33,200 The audience for the most part is awake, 1313 01:24:33,202 --> 01:24:36,537 because they're bobbing up and down all the time... 1314 01:24:36,971 --> 01:24:40,374 And we sit there, stone faced... 1315 01:24:40,376 --> 01:24:42,576 Sober judges. But we're not... 1316 01:24:42,578 --> 01:24:45,746 At least I wasn't, a hundred percent sober. 1317 01:24:47,550 --> 01:24:52,019 Totenberg: She does look vulnerable, she is this tiny little person 1318 01:24:52,021 --> 01:24:54,555 and that is somehow in contrast with being 1319 01:24:54,557 --> 01:25:01,128 the ferocious defender of minorities and women and... 1320 01:25:01,396 --> 01:25:02,763 Certain kinds of ideals. 1321 01:25:02,765 --> 01:25:04,631 There's always I think the concern that can she 1322 01:25:04,633 --> 01:25:10,037 - continue to keep up this pace? - Well, she's now been through 1323 01:25:10,039 --> 01:25:11,438 two different types of cancer 1324 01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:13,707 without missing a day on the bench. 1325 01:25:13,709 --> 01:25:18,879 Ruth: I had my first cancer bout in 1999, 1326 01:25:18,881 --> 01:25:20,614 colorectal cancer. 1327 01:25:20,616 --> 01:25:23,917 It was the year of first surgery 1328 01:25:23,919 --> 01:25:26,253 and then chemotherapy. 1329 01:25:26,255 --> 01:25:30,023 Ten years later, I had pancreatic cancer. 1330 01:25:30,025 --> 01:25:33,193 I think what it has left me is... 1331 01:25:33,195 --> 01:25:38,132 An enhanced appreciation of the joys of being alive. 1332 01:25:38,134 --> 01:25:40,734 What I need you to do is just grab them and just pull. 1333 01:25:40,736 --> 01:25:43,704 - Just standing up straight? - Just pull, don't lean back. 1334 01:25:43,706 --> 01:25:49,276 Good, just pull, pull, okay? Arch that back. Good. 1335 01:25:49,711 --> 01:25:52,779 - This is light. - I know, I know, 1336 01:25:52,781 --> 01:25:53,747 I got a heavier one. 1337 01:25:53,749 --> 01:25:56,350 Since it's too light, i got a heavier one 1338 01:25:56,352 --> 01:25:58,886 Bryant Johnson: I started training justice ginsburg 1339 01:25:58,888 --> 01:26:00,053 back in 1999. 1340 01:26:00,055 --> 01:26:02,122 She had just come out of chemotherapy 1341 01:26:02,124 --> 01:26:06,560 and she wanted to build muscle and get stronger. 1342 01:26:07,095 --> 01:26:07,895 She's like a cyborg. 1343 01:26:07,897 --> 01:26:10,497 And when I say cyborg, she's like a machine. 1344 01:26:19,674 --> 01:26:24,044 Lean back. Good, yeah, and pull yourself up. 1345 01:26:24,112 --> 01:26:25,879 Exactly. Good. 1346 01:26:29,384 --> 01:26:31,985 Alright, bring chest down to the ball, good. 1347 01:26:31,987 --> 01:26:35,122 They're real push-ups right, they're not girl push-ups. 1348 01:26:35,124 --> 01:26:39,426 No, th... they are... Very real, yes. 1349 01:26:39,428 --> 01:26:42,596 Helsel: I've heard that she's does 20 push-ups, 1350 01:26:42,598 --> 01:26:43,463 three times a week or something. 1351 01:26:43,465 --> 01:26:46,967 I mean we can't even get off the floor. We can't even get down 1352 01:26:46,969 --> 01:26:48,602 to the floor. 1353 01:26:49,037 --> 01:26:50,270 That's true. 1354 01:26:50,272 --> 01:26:54,808 Ruth: I always feel better no matter how tired I am, 1355 01:26:54,810 --> 01:26:59,213 at the end of that hour, I'm ready to go again. 1356 01:27:01,316 --> 01:27:05,586 She definitely embodies the larger than life nature 1357 01:27:05,588 --> 01:27:08,722 of the "notorious" title... 1358 01:27:09,023 --> 01:27:10,257 More and more as she gets older. 1359 01:27:10,259 --> 01:27:12,793 She's become much more public, much more vocal. 1360 01:27:12,795 --> 01:27:14,861 Especially in a time when our politics 1361 01:27:14,863 --> 01:27:16,363 are just so garbage. 1362 01:27:16,365 --> 01:27:19,533 Reporter 1: Justice Ruth bader ginsburg spoke fearfully 1363 01:27:19,535 --> 01:27:20,534 of a Donald trump presidency. 1364 01:27:20,536 --> 01:27:23,537 Reporter 2: An unusually candid political outpouring 1365 01:27:23,539 --> 01:27:27,407 - calling trump a "faker." - Justice ginsburg, uh, 1366 01:27:27,409 --> 01:27:30,143 made some very, very inappropriate... 1367 01:27:30,145 --> 01:27:31,345 Statements toward me. 1368 01:27:31,347 --> 01:27:32,246 I was flabbergasted. 1369 01:27:32,248 --> 01:27:36,083 It surprised me that she would comment in a derogatory way 1370 01:27:36,085 --> 01:27:40,587 about any candidate for president. It's... 1371 01:27:42,924 --> 01:27:43,824 It's inappropriate. 1372 01:27:43,826 --> 01:27:45,959 It's not just a matter of decorum... 1373 01:27:45,961 --> 01:27:49,296 It's a matter of her not understanding 1374 01:27:49,298 --> 01:27:50,163 her constitutional role. 1375 01:27:50,165 --> 01:27:53,066 She has just come out and issued an apology. 1376 01:27:53,068 --> 01:27:56,103 You released a statement that read, "judges should avoid 1377 01:27:56,105 --> 01:27:58,972 commenting on a candidate for public office." 1378 01:27:58,974 --> 01:28:03,010 But do you really regret the substance of what you said? 1379 01:28:03,012 --> 01:28:03,977 I think in the best, 1380 01:28:03,979 --> 01:28:07,347 the wisest course would have been to say nothing. 1381 01:28:07,349 --> 01:28:10,951 Is it wrong for supreme court justices to... 1382 01:28:10,953 --> 01:28:14,087 Uh, to occasionally make a mistake? No. 1383 01:28:14,089 --> 01:28:14,855 They're human beings 1384 01:28:14,857 --> 01:28:17,224 and she's a human being and she apologized for it. 1385 01:28:17,226 --> 01:28:21,628 It is quite possible that many, many executive orders 1386 01:28:21,630 --> 01:28:26,033 or other things that a president has supported or done 1387 01:28:26,035 --> 01:28:28,135 are going to come before the supreme court 1388 01:28:28,137 --> 01:28:32,072 and that now we have a sitting justice indicating, 1389 01:28:32,074 --> 01:28:35,142 that the person has a deep antipathy, 1390 01:28:35,144 --> 01:28:37,844 uh, against the lawmaker. 1391 01:28:37,846 --> 01:28:39,146 The notion that I... 1392 01:28:39,148 --> 01:28:42,115 I don't comprehend that my job... 1393 01:28:42,117 --> 01:28:45,952 Is to interpret the law fairly... 1394 01:28:45,954 --> 01:28:49,523 That I'm going to vote one way... 1395 01:28:49,525 --> 01:28:54,261 Based on who I might have voted for president is just... 1396 01:28:56,698 --> 01:28:58,498 None of us... 1397 01:28:58,900 --> 01:29:02,436 Even if we wanted to... Could be successful 1398 01:29:02,438 --> 01:29:05,205 if that's the attitude that we had. 1399 01:29:17,919 --> 01:29:20,287 Robert Longbottom: You look marvelous. 1400 01:29:20,289 --> 01:29:21,355 Knowing that we were opening 1401 01:29:21,357 --> 01:29:23,457 on the Saturday after the election, 1402 01:29:23,459 --> 01:29:26,893 I wanted somebody who was a Washington insider 1403 01:29:26,895 --> 01:29:30,197 to play the duchess of krakenthorp. 1404 01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:32,766 "The best of the house of krakenthorp..." 1405 01:29:32,768 --> 01:29:38,372 Ruth: There are very few operas that have speaking parts 1406 01:29:38,374 --> 01:29:41,441 and the duchess of krackenthorp 1407 01:29:41,443 --> 01:29:44,544 is one such part. So I wrote... 1408 01:29:44,546 --> 01:29:48,815 Basically my own lines for the duchess of krackenthorp. 1409 01:29:58,126 --> 01:30:02,195 "The best of the house of krakenthorp 1410 01:30:02,197 --> 01:30:05,899 have open, but not empty minds. 1411 01:30:05,901 --> 01:30:12,606 No surprise then that the most valorous krakenthorpians 1412 01:30:12,608 --> 01:30:13,774 have been women!" 1413 01:30:17,579 --> 01:30:24,684 "A lady krackenthorp at all times must conduct herself 1414 01:30:24,686 --> 01:30:27,554 with dignity and grace. 1415 01:30:27,556 --> 01:30:32,592 We now request certain essential documents. 1416 01:30:32,660 --> 01:30:35,996 Have you brought your niece's birth certificate?" 1417 01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:49,342 "Ours is a family wildly trumpeted, 1418 01:30:49,344 --> 01:30:55,649 hence we must take precautions against fraudulent pretenders." 1419 01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,335 Justice ginsburg, I think everyone expected you 1420 01:31:15,337 --> 01:31:16,703 to retire soon. I mean, you're 83. 1421 01:31:16,705 --> 01:31:21,308 Yeah, you're damn right. I was gonna retire. Ugh! But not now. 1422 01:31:21,310 --> 01:31:24,110 Not now, now I gotta stay alive and healthy. 1423 01:31:24,112 --> 01:31:26,012 Damn it. Give me my thing. 1424 01:31:26,014 --> 01:31:27,614 Excuse me, I gotta take my vitamins. 1425 01:31:27,616 --> 01:31:30,684 Colin jost: Oh my god, that's... 1426 01:31:32,821 --> 01:31:35,188 Jost: ...That's... That's a packet. 1427 01:31:41,162 --> 01:31:44,498 Totenberg: Justice ginsburg, let me ask you a tough question. 1428 01:31:44,500 --> 01:31:50,537 There were liberals who publicly urged you to retire, uh... 1429 01:31:50,805 --> 01:31:51,538 Two or three years ago, 1430 01:31:51,540 --> 01:31:55,575 so that president Obama could name a replacement. 1431 01:31:55,577 --> 01:31:58,979 Any second thoughts about not doing that? 1432 01:32:00,681 --> 01:32:04,284 I have said many times that I will... 1433 01:32:04,452 --> 01:32:05,785 Do this job... 1434 01:32:05,787 --> 01:32:10,490 As long as I can do it full steam... 1435 01:32:10,791 --> 01:32:12,893 And when I can't... 1436 01:32:13,427 --> 01:32:18,031 That will be the time, i will step down. 1437 01:32:19,500 --> 01:32:23,537 Miller: She has found her voice on the court. 1438 01:32:23,539 --> 01:32:26,306 She is a center of power... 1439 01:32:26,374 --> 01:32:28,141 On the court and off the court. 1440 01:32:28,143 --> 01:32:30,277 Totenberg: When the history books are written, 1441 01:32:30,279 --> 01:32:32,345 an enormous amount will be about 1442 01:32:32,347 --> 01:32:35,081 what she did as a very young lawyer. 1443 01:32:35,083 --> 01:32:38,084 Peratis: There would not have been the legal status 1444 01:32:38,086 --> 01:32:42,489 of women today had it not been for her work in the '70s. 1445 01:32:42,491 --> 01:32:44,057 She changed everything. 1446 01:32:44,059 --> 01:32:49,329 Ruth: The gender line helps to keep women not on a pedestal 1447 01:32:49,331 --> 01:32:50,530 but in a cage 1448 01:32:50,532 --> 01:32:54,367 Ruth's work made me feel as if I was protected 1449 01:32:54,369 --> 01:32:57,003 by the U.S. constitution for the first time. 1450 01:32:57,005 --> 01:33:00,206 Ruth: Men and women are persons of equal dignity 1451 01:33:00,208 --> 01:33:02,909 and they should count equally before the law. 1452 01:33:02,911 --> 01:33:07,147 She may be small but she's got a firm backbone. 1453 01:33:07,149 --> 01:33:09,182 Carmon: It's been a long road for her 1454 01:33:09,184 --> 01:33:13,253 and she's fought really hard all the way down it. 1455 01:33:13,255 --> 01:33:14,854 She's not done fighting. 1456 01:33:14,856 --> 01:33:17,924 Ruth: Looking back over my long life. 1457 01:33:17,926 --> 01:33:21,828 Yes, we may be in trying times... 1458 01:33:22,563 --> 01:33:24,664 But think how it was. 1459 01:33:24,999 --> 01:33:27,167 Ruth: When I went to college... 1460 01:33:27,169 --> 01:33:30,804 There was a big red scare in our country. 1461 01:33:30,806 --> 01:33:34,774 Some people in our congress saw a communist in every closet 1462 01:33:34,776 --> 01:33:37,577 and in every corner. But it impressed me, 1463 01:33:37,579 --> 01:33:39,713 that there were lawyers reminding our congress 1464 01:33:39,715 --> 01:33:42,048 that we have freedom of speech and of the press. 1465 01:33:42,050 --> 01:33:46,820 So I thought that that was a pretty good thing to do... 1466 01:33:48,556 --> 01:33:51,424 To help keep our country in tune 1467 01:33:51,426 --> 01:33:56,396 with its most basic values. 1468 01:33:57,598 --> 01:34:00,400 Now is the busiest season for the court. 1469 01:34:00,402 --> 01:34:04,504 All dissenting opinions have to be... 1470 01:34:05,272 --> 01:34:06,673 Circulated. 1471 01:34:06,675 --> 01:34:10,710 And I have a few of those still to go. 1472 01:34:10,712 --> 01:34:15,281 One of the world's greatest jurists, judge learned hand... 1473 01:34:15,283 --> 01:34:18,918 Said, "that the spirit of Liberty that imbues 1474 01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:23,857 our constitution must lie first and foremost in the hearts 1475 01:34:23,859 --> 01:34:28,194 of the men and women who compose this great nation... 1476 01:34:28,196 --> 01:34:34,334 A community where the least shall be heard and considered 1477 01:34:34,336 --> 01:34:37,804 side by side with the greatest. 1478 01:34:38,339 --> 01:34:42,308 I will keep that wisdom in the front of my mind 1479 01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:45,578 as long as I am capable of judicial service." 1480 01:34:45,580 --> 01:34:52,318 Court officer: Oyez, oyez, oyez, the court is now sitting. 129167

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