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In the late '70s in Los Angeles,

there was
a very particular sound

and it was
dominating pop culture.

And then,
25 years after the fact,

a group of comedians
create this web series

and all of a sudden the name
"yacht rock" was branded.

But what I was interested in

was talking to the artists
and giving them an opportunity

to define the music
they were making at that time.

Yacht rock, to me,
it's a very relaxing feeling.

It's like the singers
all seem to be saying,

"Hey, it's gonna be okay."

It has this certain--
It sits in a certain zone

where it's not--
it's not that it doesn't rock,

but it doesn't rock too hard.

You know what I mean?
It doesn't rock, but it rocks.

♪ You don't know me
But I'm your brother ♪

♪ I was raised here
In this living hell... ♪

It's one of those things
that you know it

when you hear it.
It's like pornography.

You can't define it necessarily,

but it's very clear
when something

is or is not yacht rock.

♪ You ♪

♪ Telling me the things
You're gonna do for me ♪

♪ I ain't blind and I don't like
What I think I see ♪

♪ Takin' it to the street ♪

♪ We're takin' it
To the street ♪

♪ Takin' it to the street... ♪

For me, it's a utility

more than it is music.

Like, it's just always there
when you're shopping,

when you're
at the dentist's office,

and in my case,
even in the principal's office.

Like, it's always there...
...when you need it

and it's always there
when you don't need it.

♪ Takin' it to the street ♪

♪ Takin' it, takin' it ♪

♪ Takin' it to the street ♪

♪ Yeah, yeah... ♪

I've never
identified it as yacht rock.

I've never looked at it
as, like, a...

Something that was...
"Oh, yeah, that's over here."

I, like--
I've always looked at it

from the inside being like,

"Dang, that's just
amazing songwriting."

♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪

♪ Takin' it to the ♪

Let's try "yacht rock
sails again" for two.

Yacht rock is a genre,
but it's also just a vibe.

Hey, y'all been
listening to yacht rock?

I listen to it on the app...

- ...24/7, no card required.

What's yacht rock?

It's music you listen to
on a yacht.

Oh...

There's a yacht rock cruise

that leaves
from the Quahog Marina tomorrow.

And I'm not even kidding!

For those of you
who don't know

what yacht rock is,
you do know what it is.

It's all of your favorite hits
from the '70s and '80s.

It just happens to be
its own special genre.

♪ And I've got
Such a long way to go... ♪

So we'd play the stuff that,

you know, when I was younger,

I listened to
in the dance chair.

♪ So I'll ride
Like the wind... ♪

♪ I don't wanna do
Your dirty work no more ♪

♪ I was born the son...♪

You know, the whole thing
would turn out like a movie

where Christopher Cross
sings a song like...

♪ All my days
I've been waiting ♪

♪ Gunned down ten
Gonna ride like the wind... ♪

♪ You don't know me
But I'm your brother ♪

♪ And I've got
Such a long way to go ♪

♪ Such a long way to go ♪

I've drugged all the concessions
so you'll do what I say.

Drugs at a Steely Dan concert?
I never thought I'd see the day.

♪ Gonna ride like the wind ♪

I remember on my Myspace page,

someone gave me a link

to something
called Yacht Rock.

This is like pre-YouTube.

Like, YouTube is 2006
and this came out in 2005.

Just like a whole bunch
of these comedians

that decided
to put these vignettes

of like,
"How this song got made."

We were living in Los Angeles.

We weren't making
very much money.

And one of the things
that we did

was we bought
dollar vinyl records

from the local
Amoeba Records store.

And the stuff that was available
for a dollar

was a lot of soft rock.

We'd read the credits
on the back of these albums

and we'd see
the same names popping up

over and over and over again.

And eventually,
it clicked, like...

"This is a scene."

I was obsessed with, like,

"Guys, you wouldn't believe it,

but the guys in Toto are on
this Michael Jackson album.

The guys in Toto
are on this Steely Dan album.

Listen to Michael McDonald
on here.

I bet you never
heard him here before.

Oh, Kenny Loggins
and Michael McDonald wrote

'What a Fool Believes'
together.

Oh, look at
this cover of Full Sail

with Loggins and Messina.
They're on a boat.

And there's this vibe.

This is well-crafted stuff.

This is relaxing stuff.

It's high-class music.

It's like a yacht. Yacht rock."

From 1976 to 1984,
the radio airwaves

were dominated
by really smooth music,

also known as yacht rock.

The way we like to explain it is

almost all yacht rock
is soft rock,

but not all soft rock
is yacht rock.

We always meant something

that sounded
like a million bucks.

It wasn't literally about,
like, boats or whatever.

And so you've got bands
like Steely Dan,

Michael McDonald,

with and without
the Doobie Brothers.

Kenny Loggins,
Christopher Cross,

Toto,
all of these great musicians.

They were making
elevated pop music

that's infused
with jazz and R&B.

That's what
a fool believes, Kenny!

That's what...
That's what a fool believes.

Somehow,
we had a space in our heart

for this Yacht Rock series,

which gave people this sort of
newfound look at this music

that no one wanted
to claim as their own,

but we loved it all along.

We were just afraid
to let you know

that we have a soft space
in our heart

for this genre of music.

All of a sudden,
this new "genre" we made up

started to get embraced
by the world.

It's now time for a very special
yacht rock tradition,

a visit from our old friend,
Captain Zog, who's going to come

and teach us all
the latest yacht rock dances.

There were
more expressions of love

in that press briefing than on
the average yacht rock album.

Look, I love yacht rock
as much as the next person,

but eventually,
I want to see Journey, right?

♪ It's all right
Once you get past the pain... ♪

I think the moment
that we realized

it really transcended
its origins

in the web series
was when SiriusXM

debuted their
yacht rock channel.

It's the weekend
Yacht Rock Radio.

We will connect the dots between
the Marvel Cinematic Universe

and the Yacht Rock Radio
universe.

Now, there's all these
yacht rock cover bands

wearing captain's hats
and doing silly dances.

♪ Love will find a way ♪

The fact that the term emerged

from what was essentially

a comedy show,
did have a really big impact

on the way that the music
is now ironically appreciated.

When in fact,
I think the records

that they were making
were entirely sincere

and earnest and pure.

Yacht rock!

All the caricatures

that people use

to define this made-up genre,

like the mustaches
and the leisure suits

and the smooth grooves
are pretty reductive.

Some of the caricatures
aren't even true.

No musician in California
in the '70s,

I guess other than, like,
the Captain

from Captain & Tennille

was actually wearing
a sailor's hat.

You really have to get past
these superficialities

to understand
what this music really is.

And when you do that,

it actually becomes
a much richer saga

of how this thing came to be.

And that's the story I think
that people need to know.

The nation's
bicentennial holiday is down to

its last hour,
and it has been a day of...

1976 will be the year

of inspiration and hope.

♪ I recall when I was small ♪

♪ How I spent my days alone... ♪

This week,
on the Special of the Week

it's the Dan of Steel,
Steely Dan.

The bizarre brainchild
of the bizarre brains

of Donald Fagen
and Walter Becker,

Steely Dan have proven
that weird words

and wired melodies
can exist side by side.

♪ Made alive a worldly wonder ♪

♪ Often told but never seen... ♪

We like to call Steely Dan
the primordial ooze

from whence yacht rock sprang.

Donald
and Walter from Steely Dan

never really set out
to become what they became.

When they entered
into the music business,

professionally,
it was as staff songwriters.

The problem with the songs
that Donald and Walter

were writing at this time
is that nobody

could really record them.

There was always something
sort of inscrutably weird

about the lyrics.

I don't know
that I ever asked Fagen,

"What does this mean?"

For one, I didn't want him
to think I didn't know.

And for two, most of the time

it wasn't a matter
of knowing literally as it was

how it made me feel.

♪ Your everlasting summer
You can see it fading fast ♪

♪ So you grab
A piece of something ♪

♪ That you think is gonna last ♪

♪ Well, you wouldn't even know
A diamond ♪

♪ If you held it in your hand ♪

♪ The things you think
Are precious ♪

♪ I can't understand ♪

♪ Are you reelin'
In the years? ♪

I moved out west in 1970.

I was signed to and dropped
from a couple of labels,

you know, and I was
kind of going the way

of most people who come
to LA with a dream

and realize that it probably
ain't gonna happen.

I started playing clubs

to get out and meet
other players and stuff.

And along the way,
I met some guys

who were auditioning for bands
that were getting ready

to go on the road.
One of them was Steely Dan.

About a year later, I got a call

from the kid
who sat in on drums.

It was Jeff Porcaro,
and he said,

"Man, I was thinking about you,
and you need to come down

to this rehearsal I'm at.
It's with Steely Dan.

We're getting ready
to go on the road."

So I threw my piano in my Pinto
and drove down to rehearsal.

It was interesting
because there had been many gigs

that I had practiced
the material for

weeks in advance,

and didn't get the gig,
you know?

And here's one
where I walked in,

I didn't even know
half the songs, you know,

and they were just teaching it
to me on the spot.

But I was so determined

that I wound up
learning the songs

basically from being taught
by Donald what the songs were.

It certainly wasn't
my piano playing

that got me the gig.

It was pretty much my ability
to sing high.

♪ Yes, I'm going insane ♪

♪ You know I'm laughing
At the frozen rain ♪

By the Katy Lied album,

the band is essentially
Donald and Walter

and whoever is there that day.

Basically,
they start bringing in

these really talented LA-based
session guys who can play

anything they put
in front of them.

Jeff Porcaro and I
were working a session.

During the hour break,

Jeff says,
"I've got a 15 IPS tape

of Katy Lied."

The album wasn't out yet.
And my jaw was on the floor.

♪ When Black Friday comes ♪

♪ I'll stand down
By the door... ♪

My first thought was,
"These guys sound like me."

Jazz chord changes,
but rock, pop grooves.

People would say, "Well,
you sound like Steely Dan."

And I'd go,
"Well, we think the same.

We're in the same lines
melodically.

We're closet jazzers
that are making pop records."

♪ When Black Friday comes... ♪

We were getting more successful.

People wanted to play
on our records.

For me, it was like going
to the candy store.

There was a period of time,

particularly in the middle
to late '70s,

in which there was
a group of LA musicians,

they could play
virtually anything.

Sit down and read anything
and any style.

People call you on the phone,

say be it Village,
be it Sunset Sound,

be it, you know, Capitol.

In 12 to six, they hire
for the week or whatever.

Sometimes we knew the artist,
sometimes we didn't.

Every day was a thrill
because you didn't know--

We didn't know
what we were gonna do.

There was no demos,
there was no rehearsals.

Most of the time we listened
to the song once

and all of us
have arranger ears.

And that just means
we can hear parts

in between the basic chords
and the melody.

And that's what they hired us
to do, to fill in the blanks,

because we were good at it.

When I got into high school

is when I really found out
about studio musicians.

When I met the Porcaro brothers,
you know,

Steve Porcaro,
and Jeff and Mike.

Jeff was in Steely Dan
when we were in high school,

and David Paich
was his best friend,

and Dave was working
on those records too.

They were cocky,
really young, full of piss,

but we'd get perfect performance
almost every time.

I started
doing sessions when I was 16.

My father had been
in the business

as an arranger.

Everything with sessions
was word of mouth.

If you played on a hit,
everybody wanted

the person
that was on the hit record.

So I started getting calls.

Jeff and I,
we'd always hang out,

and we'd each try and get
each other on that session.

My brother Jeff
was the one who was

just so naturally gifted

and he started getting hired
all over town

and he would
recommend us to these guys.

It was an amazing time
for us and for music too.

Basically, we're all trying
to do what George Martin

and the Beatles
and Brian Wilson did

in the studio,
and just take it another step.

Watch me on that part.

Back in California,

the Beach Boys were looking
at what the Beatles were doing

and wanted to copy that

and used a lot
of The Wrecking Crew,

the early LA session guys.

And the yacht rockers were
sort of the second generation

of session guys
after The Wrecking Crew.

On "Pet Sounds,"

you've got gorgeous pop
with hip changes,

great melodies, great harmonies,
everything, man.

It was the beginning
of a new era.

If you think of the music

that was coming out of LA

in the early 1970s,
the Troubadour,

and the Whiskey a Go Go,
and Carole King

and James Taylor,
Laurel Canyon, The Eagles.

And then on top of that,
Motown had moved

to Southern California
in the early 1970s.

So that means
we've got Stevie Wonder.

Now we're getting into R&B.

Well, there's a lot of elements

to proto-yacht.

Stevie Wonder
and Earth, Wind & Fire,

who were doing incredible
forward-thinking things

with their music.

And another element
was jazz fusion, The Crusaders,

Herbie Hancock.

These were the guys
that were early adapters

of the Fender Rhodes
electric piano.

That's sort of the backbone
of the yacht rock sound.

Then we got Joni Mitchell.

And she goes from the simple
three-chord stuff

to using jazzers.

Then there's Seals & Crofts

who were becoming
more studio perfectionists

and bringing in guys
like David Paich

and Jeff Porcaro,
who were bringing in

more complex ideas
into the sessions.

These guys take
the Steely Dan sound

out into their own projects,
incorporate it

into everything else
that they're doing.

It widens the sonic palette
of the Los Angeles music scene

and all this other stuff
that's kind of bubbling

under the surface.

This all comes together
into this group

of all different kinds
of artists

that got melodic

and used jazzy
kind of chord changes.

Good evening.
Elvis Presley died today.

He was 42.

The moviegoers wait
for six hours or more.

They are waiting to escape.

I mean,
we've just had so many...

Kinda burnt out

on all the social commentary
movies we've had.

You're in tune
with the mellow sound

of KNX FM 93.

Loggins and Messina,
now just Loggins

with a new kind of sound.

Moving from country rock
to the late '70s, it's all

about being soulful, funky,
and oh, so smooth.

Just the thing to get a rocker
on the radio

in the disco-fied times.

Do you believe in love?
Well, Kenny does. Listen up.

♪ I see faces ♪

♪ Coverin' an empty 'I' ♪

♪ Empty spaces where... ♪

We were on the road,

and I remember
hearing Stevie Wonder

and going, "Well,
this is really different."

"Wow, I wanna--

How do I do that?
What do I do to do that?"

♪ I believe in love, I do! ♪

♪ I believe I'm feelin' good ♪

And I'm hearing
all these chords

that I've never heard before.

And it's totally influencing
my songwriting.

So I evolved
from the folky thing

into sort of a synthesis
of smooth jazz

and a synthesis of R&B.

And then I start to want to move

my voice around a little bit,
and play with how I sing.

♪ I believe in love ♪

The thing about
Kenny Loggins is he tried shit.

Like, he tried cool,
interesting stuff,

and his albums are, like,

really experimental
for pop albums.

Kenny Loggins
cannot be contained

in one genre.

He has to explore.
He has to push his boundaries.

So even when Kenny Loggins
does yacht rock,

he's only doing it

a couple tracks an album
most of the time.

But when he does it,
it's so good

and so genre-defining

that he's still up
on the Mount Rushmore.

There was some
bounce-back on going solo.

I didn't realize at the time
how difficult it was

to go from a successful duo
into being a successful soloist.

And I credit Stevie Nicks a lot
with my breakthrough

because it was
the duet with Stevie

that really made, ultimately,

the huge difference
in launching my solo career,

'cause she was so loved
at the time.

♪ Sweet love showin' us
A heavenly light ♪

♪ I've never seen
Such a beautiful sight ♪

♪ Sweet love flowin'
Almost every night... ♪

I had become fortunate

in becoming the opening act
for Fleetwood Mac

during the rise of Rumours.

I like to say I went
on the Rumours ride with them

because I was out with them for,

you know, six, seven months
and became friends with the band

and especially Nick and Stevie.

And she said to me one day,
probably

we were drunk out somewhere
and she said,

"If you need a chick singer,
give me a call."

And it's like,
"Okay, got that going for me."

♪ You and I were meant to be
Forever and ever... ♪

The thing I learned early on is,

I'm not writing
for other people,

I'm writing for me.
And if I can hit that nerve

that either makes me wanna dance
or makes me wanna cry,

then I've got that song.

♪ I always wanna
Call you friend ♪

I've discovered
that when I care about a lyric,

when a lyric really touches
the heart of the matter,

it touches other people.

So, my job has been to try to

really nail that emotion
so that the song

becomes a soundtrack
to your life.

I think if you want,
like, a microcosm of how

mainstream rock music changed
from the beginning of the '70s

to the end of the '70s, that--
like, the Doobie Brothers

are probably
the best place to go.

♪ Hey, don't you worry
I've been lied to... ♪

You look
at the beginning of the '70s

and the Doobie Brothers are like
this post-Woodstock, good time

boogie band
that bikers listen to in bars.

And then by the end of the '70s,
they've evolved

into this jazzy pop R&B band
that is using a lot of chords

and playing songs
with tricky time signatures.

It's a big, big change.

♪ But minute ♪

♪ By minute, by minute
By minute ♪

♪ I keep holding on ♪

♪ I'll be holding on... ♪

You know, at that time,
Jeff Baxter was touring

with the Doobies
for the greater part

of a couple of years
and became an integral part

of their live show.

And, well, they needed
one other guy to kind of fill in

for vocals and backgrounds
and stuff.

And Jeff threw my name
in the hat.

He pretty much guaranteed
that I could handle the gig

because they didn't have time
to really audition anybody.

So I met up with them
in New Orleans.

I showed up again
with my trusty Wurlitzer piano

and I practiced for two days,

and finished out the tour
from there.

♪ But minute, by minute ♪

♪ By minute, by minute... ♪

The evolvement

of Michael McDonald
joining the band,

instrumentally,
it's changed a lot

because there's been emphasis
on keyboards

rather than guitars.

And now the guitars

in a lot of the instances
are secondary to the keyboard

in terms of
how you cut your tracks.

♪ Call my name
And I'll be gone... ♪

It's been said
that I changed

the band or something,
but you gotta understand

the Doobies were always
that kind of band.

Long before I joined them,

they really hearkened
to that template of bringing

a lot of different types
of songs to one album.

So it was really a group effort.

♪ Someone ♪

♪ Minute by minute,
By minute... ♪

You know,
we were big fans

of like, Earth, Wind & Fire

and Ray Charles,
and some of these acts,

their music
was fairly sophisticated.

You know,
we weren't nearly as good.

But inadvertently,
we brought something to it

that we didn't even realize,
you know?

The Doobie Brothers?
Were you a half-brother?

When the Doobie Brothers
were on What's Happening!!,

I thought they were
like a scary rock group.

And then I was like,
"Okay, I like this guy."

He has a really comforting voice
akin to a really funky Muppet.

That episode came on and then

every Black person
I knew watched it.

And then suddenly,
we were Doobie Brothers fans.

To us, yacht rock has to be

conscious of the existence
of Black music.

Whether it's a jazzier artist
or more of an R&B artist,

there has to be some of
that element in there for it

to sound like yacht to us.

What's interesting,
I think, about yacht rock

is that you had these
sensational White musicians

who had been acculturated
on Black music styles,

on R&B, on jazz, on gospel.

They could play
that music authentically.

They were not musical tourists.

They were kind of
musical cosmopolitans.

The Black influence on our music

is obvious on our records.

It's for real, you know?
That's all I can say.

It was really in our bones.

We were taking elements of R&B

and putting
our own sensibilities

of melody and style to that.
That's what you do.

You write what you hear.
You write what you feel.

There was more
of an open feeling

about all music in general
with musicians, you know.

I heard it described
as cross-pollination.

You could play anything
in the '70s.

There were no rules,
so to speak.

I never had any problems,

'cause as soon as they heard
the White kid play,

the White kid's accepted.

It's, "Where do you put
the pocket?"

"Do you got
the right groove, man?"

"Can you play in tune?"

"Whatever,
that's all that matters!"

For me, growing up,

a lot of the artists
we listened to,

it just goes by melody.

It goes by, "Oh, that's funky."
Or, "It's soulful."

And a lot of those artists,
at least in my community,

we didn't even know
that they were White artists.

You know,
you hear it on the radio,

you get a vibe,
all your friends are singing it.

And, you know, later on,

when you buy the album,
you go, "Oh!"

Oh, he's not Black.
Okay.

Welcome to the land
of Steely Dan.

Steely Dan's Aja
is the record

that stereo salesmen use

to demonstrate how good
a set of speakers is.

Whatever you think about

the production sound
of the '70s,

that is the pinnacle of what
they were aiming for.

Even if you hate it,
you have to acknowledge

that it is the most
perfectly recorded album

of all time.

We showed up at the studio
until we were dead tired.

We stayed at the studio.

In all the time we worked,
neither Donald

or Walter ever said,
"How much have we spent?"

Never once.

As Donald would say,
"It's my money."

Donald wanted to use me
alone again, you know,

'cause I had done it
on a couple tracks

on the Katy Lied album.

♪ I've seen your picture... ♪

They liked the sound
of me singing all the parts

and then doubling myself.

So, they looked
for opportunities to kind of

use that as a...
almost like an instrument,

you know, more than
just backgrounds, you know.

♪ So won't you smile
For the camera... ♪

But I realized
that the harmonies

were a little more complex

than I was really astute enough
to handle.

So, I found that I was
having difficulty singing

to the part I had just done.

And I said, you know,
"Donald, do me a favor."

I said, "Just show me
each part, note for note."

I remember, you know,
Donald would go out as he would

and he'd say,
"This is the part."

And Michael sang it, you know,
perfect the first time.

And I pushed the button,
I said, "Okay, let's double it."

And Donald leaned over me
and said,

"He sounds like a thousand
camels in the courtyard."

♪ Peg
It will come back to you ♪

♪ Peg
It will come back to you... ♪

When we heard it back,

I kind of went,
"Wow, that's amazing."

We were very fortunate.

We got some really great
performances from musicians.

We took a long time doing it,
so things that didn't work out,

we just kept throwing them away

until we got something
really special.

I was always looking at Donald

to see how I was doing.

And if he ever shot me a look,
my immediate go-to was,

"Oh, my God,
I'm getting fired," you know.

Steely Dan is famous
for rejecting drummers

and bass players and guitarists.

With "Peg,"

I was the seventh guy
to take a shot at the solo.

Jay Graydon will go down

in history as the man
who pulled the sword

from the stone,
and it ends up being

one of the greatest solos
in the Steely Dan catalog.

I've tried to learn

the guitar solo from "Peg."

I made it, like,
three seconds in and I was like,

"I can't play this."
Like, "This is too hard."

He bends two strings
at the same time.

And he's doing it all over
the neck in perfect tune.

And, like, no one can do that.
Like, no one's doing that now.

There's maybe a guy,

maybe a guy, maybe one guy
is gonna do that now.

Fortunately, it worked,

and I got away
with musical murder.

I remember
my dad brings home Aja,

eyes dilated immediately.

For a long time,
I thought, "Steely Dan,

man, that's just music
for dorks and weirdos."

And I felt myself
sort of allergic to the idea

that music was
a kind of math equation

that could be solved.

And if you just worked
hard enough in the studio

and you did enough takes

and you programmed
everything perfectly,

that somehow you could make
this cultural artifact

that would be gleaming
and wonderful and timeless.

And that to me
is so antithetical

to the idea of punk rock

that it's almost
like the circle closes

and it becomes somehow
incredibly punk rock

that they did that.

When you listen
to the album, it is flawless.

From the mixing
to the production

to the musicianship,

but it still doesn't
sacrifice the soul.

And that to me
is pretty amazing.

How do you get perfection

and kind of a soulful vibe
at the same time?

It's hard to achieve.

Aja is probably
the creative apex of this music

because along with it being
hugely influential

to other artists

who wanted to emulate
that level of complexity,

it also sold like hotcakes
and got the public ready

for, like, this smoother,
more complicated pop music.

I remember,
with Steely Dan,

thinking, "It's amazing,

these guys were
the darlings of pop radio,

and these songs
are so atypical."

And the audience never hesitated
to love this music, you know,

from the first time
they heard it.

Their music doesn't fit
the mold of what the rules

for pop music are at all,
you know.

It's funny,
I was actually thinking

"Peg" was recorded here
at the studio, and Aja.

Sing the melody for a second,

'cause I just want to see if it
sounds any good at all to you.

If we left your melody on there

and I just sang, like,
the lower part or something...

This is a legendary studio,

Village Recorders.

And this particular room,
studio D,

was added later in the '70s,

right before Fleetwood Mac
did Tusk.

And they hired a bunch
of studio guys and friends

and stuff to come in
and hire us to play

and just kind of work the bugs
out of the new Neve desk

that was in here.

We were the first ones
to make new music

in this beautiful room.

♪ It's not your situation ♪

♪ I just need contemplation
Over you ♪

♪ I'm not so systematic ♪

♪ It's just that I'm an addict
For your love ♪

Countdown,
roll nine. Toto, take one.

Just tell us
a little of how the group formed

and... uh, Steve?

Well, we've known each other
for a long time

in different ways,
like David and Jeff Porcaro

went to school together,

and myself and Steve Porcaro
went to school together

just a couple years
behind these guys.

We were Valley dudes, literally,

and the heart of the Valley
is, like, Grant High School,

where we used to work
homecomings and dances.

We tried to get experience
whenever we could,

you know, playing with anybody,
any jazz band,

any rock band you could.

We were just thirsty for music.

We were kind of like
a nonviolent gang,

you know?

I had always hoped
that David Paich and my brother,

that they were going to
put together their own band,

but then they started doing
so well

in the studios, I'd kind of

given up hope.
I figured, "You know what?"

David Paich
was this burgeoning producer

and songwriter,

and Jeff was working
day and night in the studios.

I figured, "They're not going
to stop that to start a band.

No way is that going
to happen."

In 1976,
you get David Paich

and Jeff Porcaro touring

and playing on Boz Scaggs'
Silk Degrees album,

and David Paich is Boz Scaggs'
co-writer on that album.

Makes himself a name
in the music industry

by turning this album
into a hit.

Suddenly, these guys
make Boz Scaggs

into a rock star,

and the music industry says,

"Wait, who are they?"

♪ Hey, boy ♪

♪ You better
Bring the chick around ♪

♪ To the sad, sad truth ♪

♪ The dirty lowdown... ♪

When Silk Degrees came out

it became the new sound of LA.

Boz and I just sat down
and we just clicked.

We just started writing tunes
like "Lowdown"

and "Lido Shuffle."

It was just organic
and spontaneous,

and I think we got
to bring the initial Toto sound

to those records.

As soon as Boz toured,
I joined their touring band,

and then Lukather.

You know, I look back
at pictures of myself

and, like, I thought
I was so grown up, man.

I look like I'm 12 years old,
zits on my face, you know.

It's pretty funny, man.

I mean, I was really young,
and I was still a teenager.

Someone came up and suggested,

"Well, hey, you guys
should form your own group."

And we were, like, winking
out the corner of our eye,

"Oh, that's a great idea,"
you know,

'cause we'd always planned
to reform our high school band,

and Toto ended up being
that band.

♪ Hold the line ♪

♪ Love isn't always on time ♪

♪ Oh, oh, oh... ♪

You know, like,
our first single came out,

everybody dug it,
and it was all over.

We had a hit record.
My God, the dream comes true.

And we started selling
a lot of records

and we would go out for,

you know, a couple of months
here and there

and then get back in the studios

because we had
this great studio career.

We wanted to figure out
a way to do both.

Toto was just
a really popular band

to call for sessions because we
were kind of a unit

and we are a little bit more
rock and roll,

a little bit more cutting-edge
than most session players.

If you look
at the collective discography,

it would be staggering.

We were everywhere. I mean,
crossed a lot of party lines.

♪ Hold the line... ♪

People like Jackson Browne,

Steely Dan, Seals & Crofts.

Lukather would get calls
from Cheap Trick

and Alice Cooper.

Jeff would play
with Dire Straits,

Bruce Springsteen.

But I played
on over 2,000 records,

and I know Luke probably did,
like, four or five thousand,

and Jeff probably did four
or five thousand.

We were, uh...
We were pretty busy.

Whatever success we had
with Toto,

we still loved getting called
for other things.

And then taking the studio chops
that we had,

not having to hire other people
to come in,

we were, uh, self-contained.

We really had
a confidence at the time,

and because of the level
that the musicians were at,

music was obtainable real fast,

and the creativity level
set a bar

that was there
at the very beginning.

My band in San Antonio

at the time was called Flash,
and my manager, Joe Miller,

he had a club
called The Jam Factory,

and he booked Deep Purple
on their first US show.

And Ritchie Blackmore,
the guitar player,

got a reaction to a flu shot,
and he couldn't perform.

So, Joe talked
to the band and said,

"Look, I got this guy,
you know, Chris Geppert,

he's a big fan of Ritchie's,
and he could probably sit in."

So, they told people,
"Ritchie's not here,

Chris is gonna get up
and play guitar."

"You can get a refund
if you want,"

but 80 percent
of the people stayed.

Ritchie later told me that,

"We had people sit in
over the years,

but no one ever subbed for me
in my entire career except you."

And I said,
"Well, you know, there you go."

The original demos I did,

all the songs ended up
on the record.

I financed my original songs
by selling weed.

I had a very successful
weed business,

and I bought, you know,

a tape machine
and some consoles and stuff

and invested
in the studio in Austin.

And then
when I got my demo done,

I looked at Billboard magazine,
saw Mo Astin,

chairman of the board
at Warner Brothers.

And I said, "Well, Mo Astin,
he's too important.

I can't get to him."

Well, I didn't know
anything about A&R.

I sent my tape
to Mo Astin's assistant.

He had nothing to do with A&R.

But he got my tape,
and he kind of liked it.

And he went to lunch
that day with Lenny Waronker,

head of A&R,
and forced Lenny to listen

to the tape in the car.

♪ The way that you did
That very first day ♪

♪ And I'll ♪

♪ Never be the same
Without you here... ♪

Lenny told me years later

that had I just sent it to A&R,

it would've been
rejected outright

because they weren't really
accepting anything.

So it was pretty serendipitous
that I sent it to the wrong guy.

♪ No, I'll... ♪

Christopher Cross
came in wanting to make

a Steely Dan album.

And he had a producer
who worked with Steely Dan,

who didn't want him to make
a Steely Dan album.

And as a result of that tension,

they came up
with something totally original.

Michael Omartian, my producer,

I drove him crazy
with Steely Dan.

Like, "Everything we have to do
as good as Steely Dan.

"We gotta do this,
Steely Dan, Steely Dan."

So, I came in the studio,
the lights were dim.

He was at the piano,
he'd just played the piano solo.

I came in, and he said,
"What do you think?" And I said,

"I think there's a note
in the second bar

that's a little late."
And he said, "I was emoting."

You know, I said, "Well...

But, I mean,
I don't think Steely Dan--"

But he said,
"That's it, I'm done."

And he left.
He got in his Porsche and left.

Anytime Steely Dan fans
get mad at us online

that Steely Dan
isn't yacht rock,

the artist they most wanna be

disassociated from
is Christopher Cross

because they don't think

he has anything
to do with Steely Dan.

And that means that they're
not reading album credits.

Christopher Cross's albums
were produced

by Michael Omartian,
who did a lot of arranging

and piano work for Steely Dan.

He's got guest spots
from Larry Carlton.

He has guest work
from Jay Graydon

on guitar as well.

And very important,
he's got backing vocals

from Michael McDonald.

We were working
at Amigo Studios,

and I knew Michael Omartian,
his producer.

There was a track that
he thought it would be great

if I could do some backups.
I said, "Sure," you know?

He was so gracious
about everything.

We were nobody, you know,
but he--

It's not the way
Mike's mind works.

He's not trying to evaluate,
"Who are you?"

You know, "What is this going
to mean in my career?"

"Is this something
worth me doing?"

You know,
"I'm Michael McDonald."

It's just not the way he thinks.

It didn't take us very long
to do it, really, did it?

It went pretty quickly,

and I knew I liked Chris,
I had no idea that

we would be friends the rest
of our lives.

I was playing
at a club in Houston.

We were doing "1985"
by McCartney of Wings.

And in the middle of that song,
I started doing this...

It's a C minor, sort of.

People would go crazy.

They'd start dancing
and moving around.

It just seemed to really connect
with the audience,

so we would jam on that riff.

And then we drove from Houston
down to Austin to record,

and I was sitting
in the front seat of the van

and I'd taken acid,
and I wrote the words

to "Ride Like The Wind,"

driving from Houston
to Austin on acid.

♪ It is the night
My body's weak ♪

♪ I'm on the run
No time to sleep ♪

♪ I've got to ride
Ride like the wind

♪ To be free again ♪

♪ And I've got
Such a long way to go... ♪

It was really cool,
but it happened so fast.

"Ride Like the Wind"
was at the top of the charts

and then the next thing I know,

I was out with The Eagles,

and then on the road
with Fleetwood.

But my first tour was
with Bonnie Raitt,

and in the middle of the tour,
Bonnie came to me and said,

"I think I should be opening
for you."

♪ And I've got
Such a long way to go ♪

♪ Such a long way to go... ♪

"Ride Like the Wind"
is such a strange song,

because Christopher Cross
is singing like an outlaw,

and you don't believe it
for a minute,

'cause his voice
is so friendly and kind.

And then Michael McDonald
comes in with...

♪ Such a long way to go ♪

And you're like,
"Oh, maybe they are criminals.

He's hanging out
with this guy?

Okay, they're up to trouble.
I get it now."

One way to know if you
are listening to yacht rock

is if you hear the sound
of Michael McDonald's voice.

He is such
an important sonic element

to so many of these records.

There's that SCTV sketch

where Rick Moranis
plays Michael McDonald,

and it depicts the life

that I think Michael McDonald
lived at this time,

which is that he is running
from session to session.

I love that.

In the '70s,
the sessions are happening.

Michael's so busy
that he can only come in

and do that and he's got to go.
You know, it's amazing.

♪ And I've got
Such a long way to go ♪

♪ Such a long way to go ♪

♪ To make it
To the border of Mexico... ♪

We were in some hotel

and just sitting there
smoking a joint.

And in the middle of it
I just said,

"I think I gotta go.
I'm a little too high."

And I said,
"I wanna go lay down."

So I went into my room.

I used to leave the TV on.

As I walked in,
it was-- SCTV was on.

And I thought maybe
I was hallucinating.

The whole time, I'm saying,
"Is this really happening,

or am I just losing it,"
you know?

And years later,
Rick Moranis apologized to me.

I'll probably need you
next week. I'll give you a call.

Okay, see you.

Because I guess
he wondered

if I was offended
by it or something.

I said,
"No, quite the opposite,"

you know?

It was-- I got a lot of mileage
out of that, you know?

When you hear Michael McDonald,

he has this ability to do

what some
of the great R&B singers did,

which is to testify,

which is really a kind of,

you know,
gospel kind of church tradition.

And, you know, he doesn't sound
like anybody else.

♪ Why'd you tell me this ♪

♪ While you look
For my reaction... ♪

I remember they said,

"We got this song called,
'You Belong to Me,'

and we just need
some background."

And so Michael starts
to sing it for us.

And when he starts singing...

♪ I've got lovin' eyes... ♪

...we just froze.
I was like, "Oh, my God,

what is that coming out
of his mouth?"

♪ Tell him ♪

♪ You belong to me ♪

♪ Tell him you were foolin' ♪

- ♪ You belong to me ♪
- ♪ Oh... ♪

His style of singing,

like it's such a thing.

And I think
that it is something

that like a lot of people mock
or have made fun of

at certain points in time,
but really it's like

what makes
a person their own artist

is their individuality.

And I think
that Michael McDonald

just has one of those voices
and it's like

you could hear it from
a fucking football field away

and you'd be like,
"Oh, there he is,

Michael McDonald,
that's his voice."

- ♪ Tell him ♪
- ♪ You belong to me ♪

♪ That you belong to me ♪

♪ You belong to me... ♪

I don't know if it was us

who dubbed Michael McDonald
the king of yacht rock,

but if it wasn't,
it should have been.

You hear Michael McDonald
popping up

on so many
other yacht rock tracks.

It underlines that this was
a scene and everybody worked

on each other's records.

When I first heard
Mike McDonald,

I said,
"I got to write with that guy.

This is what
I've been looking for."

And the first thing
we wrote together was

"What a Fool Believes,"

which is like the quintessential
yacht rock song

of the era for some reason.

Still trying to figure that out.

I tell the story
of my poor sister.

She's gonna hate me.

About-- She came over
to my house to clean the house

'cause she knew
Kenny Loggins was coming over.

I hadn't met Kenny yet,
and she was,

like myself, a big fan of his,
you know.

So I was playing things
at the piano

while my sister was cleaning
my house, you know?

And then just
as I was about to head up

to his front door,
I heard the...

And he's singing...

'Cause there were no words.

And then when he got
to the end of that part

of the verse, he stopped.

I said, "I'm thinking about
playing this for Kenny.

What do you think?" She goes,
"I don't know about that one."

And she goes,
"He might think you're trying

to write a circus song
or something," you know.

And just at that moment,
Kenny was outside the door

and the doorbell rings.

And I said, "That thing
you were just playing,

can you play that again?

I think I know
how the next part goes."

So I looked
at my sister and kind of,

you know, but...

And if it had been
ten minutes later?

If it had been
ten minutes later...

- Song of the year.
- ...I would have never
played it for him, yeah.

♪ He came from somewhere
Back in her long ago ♪

♪ The sentimental fool
Don't see ♪

♪ Tryin' hard to recreate ♪

♪ What had yet
To be created... ♪

"What a Fool Believes"
gets a 100

on what we call
the "yachtski scale,"

where we rate
all the yacht rock songs.

This is 100.
This is the high bar

from which we measure
all other songs.

♪ She had a place in his life ♪

♪ He never made her
Think twice ♪

♪ As he rises to her apology ♪

♪ Anybody else
Would surely know... ♪

The song of the year is...

Whoo! "What a Fool Believes."

♪ What a fool believes ♪

♪ He sees... ♪

I always enjoyed
writing with Kenny

because I always thought
he was such a great composer.

For me, I always felt
like that brought

my writing up to another level.

I had to kind of reach
a little higher.

They were something different
from what I wrote

on my own, you know?

It took a long time
for Michael and I

to recontact each other

after "What a Fool Believes"
won a Grammy.

There was this unspoken feeling
of how do you top that?

What do you do
for a second song?

Like a sophomore jinx thing.

Finally, I ran into him
on the street one day

and I said,
"We gotta get together

and write a second song."

So, let's just write
a shitty song,

get that out of the way.

You know, do that thing
that we're afraid of.

And then-- So the shitty song
that we wrote was "This Is It,"

which won a Grammy
the next year.

♪ This is it ♪

♪ Make no mistake ♪

- ♪ Where you are ♪
- ♪ This is it ♪

♪ Your back's to the corner ♪

♪ This is it... ♪

"This Is It" was huge
at the time. I mean,

you watch NCAA basketball
in the early '80s or late '70s

and they're playing
"This Is It."

That's the theme song
to like NBC's coverage.

They also co-wrote
"Heart to Heart"

with David Foster.

And that's, I think,

Loggins's finest
yacht rock moment of all time.

♪ Does anything last forever? ♪

♪ I don't know ♪

♪ Baby, we're near the end... ♪

One of my favorite songs,

for real, for real
is "Heart to Heart."

I don't think there's ever been
a moment psychologically

where I didn't feel the pain

of what Kenny was expressing
in that song.

I was like, "Oh, my gosh,

this guy's pouring
his heart out."

♪ Heart to heart ♪

♪ Does anything
Last forever... ♪

Oftentimes, you hear
these great songwriting duos

in music history,

and I really wish
that Loggins and McDonald

wrote and did
more songs together

because clearly there's
a magic synergy there.

It's the perfect marriage
of poetry,

the right musicianship,
the right emotions.

♪ Heart to heart... ♪

Around the late '70s
and early '80s,

you start to hear
other people copying

the "What a Fool Believes"
piano riff.

The most obvious example
is Robbie Dupree's "Steal Away."

It's in the title.

♪ Why don't we steal away ♪

♪ Why don't we steal... ♪

I mean, one of the things that
unites some of the songs

that we would call yacht rock is

this thing that's been coined
the "Doobie bounce,"

which is basically
a rhythmic motif.

♪ No, I can't take it... ♪

You hear how much
that piano riff gets reused

or reconfigured
into somebody else's own idea.

♪ Baby, goodbye ♪

♪ Can't you see
You're not changing? ♪

♪ Oh, baby ♪

♪ When the band is
In the groove ♪

♪ He's so shy ♪

It's that sound
of the Fender Rhodes,

basically, translating

what your body feels
as you're sitting down.

It's perfect sitting down
dancing music.

♪ Watch your step
Or you'll end up... ♪

♪ Get used to it ♪

♪ When nobody's watching
I'll cry... ♪

♪ Open your hearts ♪

♪ If you don't want me to ♪

We also hear "Kiss on My List"

as a little bit of a
"What a Fool Believes" rewrite,

just in the little
back-and-forth piano riff.

But Hall & Oates
are not actually

a yacht rock artist.

They're from a different world.

They have R&B influences,

but they're
Philadelphia influences,

very specific.

Another example
is Fleetwood Mac.

Fleetwood Mac
should be yacht rock

by all definitions of the term,

but they don't really
have the jazz there.

The Eagles are not yacht rock

because The Eagles
are a country rock band.

They might be a real smooth,
mellow country rock band,

and they might be from LA,
but they're not yacht rock

because there's way
too much country.

The thing about
the villains in the web series,

we put them in there as villains
because they weren't yacht rock.

They were the opposite of what
we felt the scene was.

♪ Be on the beach
In the Caribbean ♪

♪ With the cheeseburgers ♪

The scene was friends
who like, wanted to make cool,

smooth, interesting music
together.

That was the time when, like,

yacht rock was exploding
on the radio

and to get a hit,

you just had to sound
like "What a Fool Believes."

It was a really influential song
and I don't think

a lot of people give credit
to it for that.

You can really see a world
before "What A Fool Believes"

and a world after.

It was just such
a beautiful time.

Everybody's influencing
each other.

And we had spent so much time

on the road
with the Doobie Brothers.

Michael was just crushing me
with his voice, his songs,

and the Doobies
with their two drummers.

I mean, if you could have
heard him back then

like I did in '78, '79.

It was just, like,
a soul Pavarotti on steroids.

It was like,
"Oh, my God," one note

and the auditorium
was just like...

It was like, "Oh, my God."

And I thought Ambrosia,
I think in comparison,

like, "Oh, my God,
we got a long way to go, guys."

And I think it was
that frustration

of, "I wanna break through
with something great."

One day I went to Michael,
"How did you come up

with those changes
for 'Minute by Minute'?"

He said, he goes,
"You know, David,

those practice books
by Handel, I study those

and I kind of study
how chords work

with each other
and interlock with each other

and interesting key changes."

And all of a sudden,
that sort of unlocked something

in my imagination
to go out further.

So, after that little tip
by Michael,

I'm messing around.

All of a sudden, I just hit
on the chord sequence.

On the way to a party
for the Fourth of July,

my family was running late.

I set up the piano
for a few minutes,
and that all popped out.

- ♪ There's a new sun arisin' ♪
- ♪ In your eyes ♪

♪ I can see a new horizon ♪

♪ Realize ♪

♪ That will keep me realizin' ♪

♪ You're the biggest
Part of me... ♪

I came back the next day

forgetting that
I had written something,

played the cassette
and I was like,

"Whoa, that's-- that's cool."

So the next day I was like...

♪ Make a wish, baby ♪

Oh, now that works.
"Make a wish," you know?

Then the whole thing opened up.

♪ Make a wish, baby ♪

♪ Well, And I will make it
Come true ♪

♪ Make a list baby ♪

♪ Of the things
I'll do for you... ♪

Honestly,
if Ambrosia hadn't toured

with the Doobies
all those months,

I don't think I would
have written that song.

I want to give credit
that Michael inspired me

because he was doing
what I would call

progressive R&B pop.

That song, "Biggest Part of Me,"
has become sort of my signature.

I sang it for President Clinton
for his first dance.

He was right in front of me
with Hillary Clinton dancing,

and I sang, you know...

♪ Make a wish, baby ♪

He turned around,
he goes, "I love that song."

♪ Together ♪

- ♪ We are gonna stay together ♪
- ♪ Forever ♪

When we're creating it,
we're just...

we're just putting our hearts
and souls into it.

We're putting our pain, I mean,
Paul McCartney even said,

"I never paid for a therapist,
I just did music."

♪ Part of me ♪

I think yacht rock
became a safe space

for a certain kind of man
to express emotions

at a time when men
were maybe just starting

to learn how to do that.

I think, you know,
it's the '70s,

we're going to therapy,

we're exploring
parts of ourselves

that maybe
we hadn't explored before.

And there was something about
not having to put up

a macho front
in quite the same way.

♪ Hello, yeah
It's been a while ♪

♪ Not much, how about you? ♪

♪ I'm not sure why I called ♪

♪ I guess I really just
Wanted to talk to you ♪

It's men talking
about their mistakes,

and it's men talking
about how sad they are

about their breakups.

And there's always
been music like that.

But there's something
about yacht rock

where men just embrace
being the sad sack loser

in a really big way.

♪ I'm not talking
About moving in ♪

♪ And I don't wanna
Change your life... ♪

Repeated over and over again

in a lot of yacht rock songs,
you have this theme

of the heartbroken fool,

hearts running free,

a lot of guys singing
very sensitively

about how their love affair
didn't work out

or their love affair
never happened

in the first place,

or, "Man, that girl really loves
someone else and not me."

♪ Stay at home and watch TV ♪

♪ You see, it really
Doesn't matter much to me... ♪

Hard rock is supposed
to be like the machismo,

cis-hetero male
affirmative soundtrack music.

And, you know, yacht rock
is kind of the opposite of that

'cause it's emo, it's emotional.

♪ I'd really love
To see you tonight... ♪

That's part
of what gives it its longevity,

is it's like these songs
are about timeless issues

of, like, wanting to love
and be loved.

And that never goes out of style

'cause that's
the human experience.

♪ Say I love you
Then say goodbye... ♪

You could declare
not just your sensitivity

but your torment
at how sensitive you are,

your sense of being ravaged
by having feelings,

which, I think,
is fairly unique to yacht rock.

I was just sitting at home,

my oldest son was in the crib,

and, uh, I was just
kind of messing around,

and I started playing this riff,

and believe it or not,
I just started singing,

and I sang the first verse

and the chorus to the song
completely unsolicited.

It just sort of came out.

Where? I don't know where from.

♪ Well, it's not far down
To paradise ♪

♪ At least it's not for me ♪

♪ And if the wind is right
You can sail away ♪

♪ And find tranquility ♪

♪ Oh, the canvas
Can do miracles... ♪

And once
I got the verse and chorus,

I just got up, walked
around the linoleum floor

of my shitty apartment
and just said,

"Wow, that's something--
there's something there."

♪ Sailing ♪

♪ Takes me away to where
I've always heard it could be ♪

♪ Just a dream
And the wind to carry me... ♪

To me, the song,
it's about transition

that you experience through art

and that place
that art takes you.

But I did some sailing
when I was young

with an older friend of mine,

and, uh, I always joked
that, you know,

had he taken me bowling,

it probably would have
been about bowling.

But it doesn't matter.
If you dig the groove,

whatever you like about it,
just enjoy it.

I used to get irritated
when people didn't think it was

anything more
than just sailing in a boat.

And it was cool, NSYNC did it,
they had a huge hit

with it and it brought it
to a much younger audience

and I've had
some people bring their kids

to shows who are younger,

and this one little girl came up
to the booth and said,

"That's so cool you played
that NSYNC song tonight."

And her mother said,

"That's not it, that's his song,
it's not NSYNC."

♪ If the wind is right
You can sail away... ♪

"Sailing"
is where you finally get

a yacht rock song
that's literally about sailing.

It's not as overtly jazzy

as a lot of the other
cornerstones of the genre,

but considering
who it's coming from

and what it's about lyrically,
it has to be up there.

We've got to take at least
one thing literally.

♪ Sailing ♪

♪ Takes me away to where... ♪

That song,
I'm again belting 'em out loud.

You know, don't catch me in,
like, Ralphs.

I'm, like, juggling
pomegranates and, like,

singing into bananas.

Okay, open it up.

- The winner is...
- They're my friends.

-"Sailing," Christopher Cross!
- Yes! "Sailing."

- Christopher Cross, "Sailing"!

"Sailing" was really never

supposed to be released
as a single,

but I gotta say,
I'm really glad it was. And...

It's certainly my favorite song
off the album,

and I don't know what to say.
I'm speechless.

This is the greatest night
of my life.

Thank you very much.

I mean, most people
don't sell five million records

on their debut.

You know, most people
don't win five Grammys

for their first record.

You beat out some biggies
who will probably never forget.

- Dangerous people?
- Yeah.

And everyone was like, "My God,

he's taken all the Grammys."
Like, "What's going on?"

People must have
been pretty angry about that,

which is funny.
You know, it's funny.

Streisand, Sinatra.

- Yeah.
- Huh? Did you hear from them?

Did they send you
congratulatory telegrams

- and say...
- No. Um...

She was not a happy camper.

I think someone had told her
that she was gonna win.

As a matter of fact, I think

it might have been Aretha
or somebody.

And I said,
"This is so exciting.

I'd love
to meet Barbra Streisand."

She said, "Honey,
tonight is not the night."

He swept
the three major categories,

and he added a fourth,
which was Best New Artist.

And that's kind of incredible,
that in your rookie season,

you win the triple crown
and win rookie of the year.

And no one duplicated that

until a few years ago
when Billie Eilish did it.

Truly a song like "Sailing"

becoming the most popular song
in the world

feels to me
like a viral hit now, you know?

Where you're like,
you couldn't predict

that that would be the song
that everybody would love.

And that's it.
The biggest revolution in...

Today marks my first State
of the Union address to you.

It's NBC week
and tonight, what's so funny?

God damn it, man.

The Doobie Brothers broke up.

Shit. When did that happen?

♪ All I wanna do ♪

♪ When I wake up
In the morning... ♪

Toto did real good
out of the gate,

but, um, we maybe got
a little indulgent

and thought we could do
whatever we wanted to do,

and the second album
did not do quite as well.

I never thought I'd experience

pressure from a record company.

But after our third album
also failed to do results,

they said, "Well, can you still
come out with another hit?"

And it was kinda
like a do-or-die situation.

So I realized that we had
to put everything

that we possibly knew
about making a great record

into one album.
And I started writing "Rosanna."

♪ Not quite a year
Since she went away ♪

♪ Rosanna, yeah... ♪

I'd written a song,

and the day
that I was finishing the song,

Steve Porcaro walked
into the house,

and he was
with Rosanna Arquette.

And of course,
she charmed everybody.

Everybody fell in love
with her, including me.

And I just said, "Rosanna, huh?"

I think her name
just fit perfect.

And I'm sure he had
a little crush on her,

like everyone else did
at some point, probably.

♪ Meet you all the way ♪

"Rosanna"
is like the Toto track.

We knew we had something there,
and when it came out

and was a hit again,
we were like... Phew!

We already had
the Toto IV album done,

so we were just messing around
with some new keyboards,

and I played this riff.

And then I wrote a song

and brought it into the studio,
and everybody decided,

"Well, we have a little bit
of spare time here.

Let's-- Let's fool around
with it a little bit."

♪ I hear the drums
Echoing tonight ♪

♪ But she hears only whispers ♪

♪ Of some
Quiet conversation... ♪

Let's talk about
the song "Africa."

Last song on side two.

Who puts
their only number one song

as the last song
on side two? It was buried.

Now we worked our asses off
on it for sure.

Jeff did all these tape loops.

It was very, very cool
what we did.

I killed myself on that song.

I was doing
all kinds of weird stuff

with my modular synths.

You know, we worked hard
on everything we did.

Having said that,

Lukather and I didn't even think
it should be on the album.

Oh, I did say

that I would run naked
down Hollywood Boulevard

if it was a hit record.

♪ It's gonna take a lot
To drag me away from you... ♪

The lesson in humility for us,

you know, shows what we know.

And it's our
only number one hit.

♪ I bless the rains
Down in Africa ♪

♪ Gonna take some time
To do the things ♪

♪ We never had, ooh-hoo ♪

Oh, boy, that's a deep one.

I usually don't respond
to that question anymore.

But just my desire to travel
and stuff.

I'd never been to Africa,

but that didn't let
that stop me writing a song

about it, you know?

♪ For some solitary company ♪

You know,
we've made the whole record

before the lyrics were on it,

so we didn't really know
all the Serengeti stuff,

you know, which we still laugh
and cringe at.

♪ Rises like Olympus
Above the Serengeti... ♪

We, of course,
gave him a hard time.

We would repeat
some of those lines

back to him mercilessly,
you know what I mean?

"What? What is..." You know?
But the record company

was real big on "Africa,"
and I remember I was

in a hospital, and I was
walking down the halls,

and I heard "Africa"
coming out of the radio,

and I was like, "What?"
I couldn't believe it,

that they were playing it
on the radio.

You know, that tune?

♪ I bless the rains
Down in Africa ♪

♪ Gonna take some time
To do the things... ♪

I think "Africa" has
that quality of, "What is this?

Where did this come from?

Why are those the lyrics?

Why can't I get this
out of my head?"

It's one of those songs

that you've heard it
so many times

and it almost gets annoying,
but then that chorus hits.

♪ It's gonna take a lot
To drag me away from you... ♪

You're like, "No,
that's pretty good, isn't it?

That's-- That's--
That's pretty good."

I actually love Toto.

I mean,
in terms of writing melodies,

the quality of the musicianship
itself is also superb.

What I don't love about Toto
is the lyrics.

Just the chutzpah,

the audacity
of a White rock band

making a song about Africa,

a continent that
you've never actually been to.

And don't get me started
on the video.

The music video, that was--
that's crazy.

Um, I don't even think
you can imagine

anyone doing that now.

Although, what's weird is that
because of this hipster,

ironic detachment moment
we live in,

people think
it's the greatest song

that's ever been written.

Here we go
with the song, "Africa," Weezer!

♪ I bless the rains
Down in Africa ♪

♪ Gonna take some time
To do the things ♪

♪ We never had ♪

Nobody laughs harder than we do.

God bless, you know?

It's connected
with a lot of people

and it drives
a lot of people crazy,

but come on, man,
we cut that in 1981.

Think I haven't heard this song
a couple times, huh?

The winner for Album of The Year

- is Toto. Toto IV.

His first solo album
on the Warner Brothers label.

Let's put some hands together,
gang, for Mr. Michael McDonald.

I remember
that episode of Soul Train,

seeing Porcaro and Lewis Johnson
and Greg Phillinganes

playing with Michael McDonald.
That's a staple episode.

Like, anytime
that a White artist

ever appeared on Soul Train,

that's just
a different type of cosign.

We say that, you know,
you get a lifetime pass

to the barbecue.

♪ I keep forgettin'
We're not in love anymore ♪

♪ I keep forgettin' things
Will never be the same again ♪

♪ I keep forgettin'... ♪

A lot of the Black stations,

those were the stations
that picked up

my first single,
"Keep Forgettin'."

They made it a hit.
When I stopped by

while I was
on the road with the Doobies,

they would play
your whole album.

And the DJ would talk to you
about each song.

And by the time you got
to the airport

to go to the next town,

there'd be people
in the baggage claim going,

"Hey, I just heard you
on the radio."

And it was very electric.

It caused a buzz, you know,
that we weren't used to getting.

♪ And I know ♪

♪ That it's hard for you ♪

♪ To say the things ♪

♪ That we both know are true ♪

♪ But tell me how come... ♪

You have these
White rock musicians

essentially making R&B music,

and some of them get played
on Black radio,

but also
there are some Black artists

who'd figure out
that in order to get radio play

at a time of great segregation

in the music industry,
they need to be able

to do adult contemporary music.

Oftentimes,
I think yacht rock is associated

with, like, White groups

and White songwriters
and producers,

but I know more Black yacht rock

than I do
"traditional" yacht rock.

Al Jarreau's music, yacht rock.

Pointer Sisters' "Slow Hand,"
yacht rock.

You know, George Benson,
"Turn Your Love Around,"

like, that's yacht rock.

♪ Turn your love around ♪

♪ Don't you turn me down ♪

♪ I can show you how ♪

♪ Turn your love around ♪

George Benson is an example

of a jazz guy who goes pop

and just the act of doing that
makes yacht rock.

A lot of these artists
are realizing

that in order
to have the kind of careers

that they'd like
to be able to cross over,

and to be able to reach
non-Black audiences as well,

they had to sort of curb

some of the more
aggressively funky aspects

and make a more polished,
genteel music.

But I also think they gravitated
to that sound.

So many Black musicians,
like, we love

some of the White easy-listening
and adult contemporary music.

♪ Lucky ♪

♪ I feel in love with you... ♪

You had to really know
who you were as a Black artist

because I remember walking
into a record company

and I said, "Okay, I'm not R&B."

And he said,
"Honey, you Black, you R&B."

I went,
"Oh, excuse me, I didn't know."

So, you know, it was hard
to cross over into the pop thing

because people had
a preconceived idea

of what you're supposed
to sound like.

Al Jarreau,
George Benson, George Duke,

and many to name off.

There's a part
where I'm just like,

"That was allowing the art
to lead."

There was a moment
that was golden.

There was a time
when you could see Steely Dan,

Stanley Clark, George Duke,
and Frank Zappa

on the same bill.

And Stevie Wonder,
and it'd be like this...

"You lucky motherfuckers.

You lucky son of a--"
If you got to see that,

you could chop
one of my toes off.

Yeah, you could.
Doobie Brothers?

Take the pinky.
Take it, it's worth it.

All of these artists,

they just provided
the soundtrack of our lives,

and then suddenly
all that changed,

where not only did you have
to sound a certain way,

you had to look a certain way.

This is it. Welcome to
MTV, Music Television,

the world's first 24-hour
stereo video music channel.

♪ I heard you on
The wireless back in '52... ♪

MTV sort of
scrambles everything

because suddenly it's about
who's coming up with the visual

and who can be
a rock star changes.

♪ Oh, oh ♪

Artists of the MTV era,
you know, Prince, Madonna,

Michael Jackson,
they were visually astounding.

You couldn't take your eyes
off them.

So I think
there was this sense of music

becoming a more
multidimensional enterprise.

And I think a few yacht rock
artists probably got left behind

in that transition.

♪ Video killed
The radio star... ♪

Hated it.
I didn't study to be an actor.

I didn't work on my look.

You know, that was always a beef

about we didn't have an image,
we didn't look the part.

The "Video Killed
the Radio Star" thing,

it was just absolutely true
in my case.

I just wasn't comfortable.
I think my physicality,

I think part of it was
that I was never--

I was always kind of a shy guy.

♪ Oh, oh ♪

When videos came along,

I felt like one
of the silent screen stars

who was entering
the realm of the talkies.

It's like,
"Well, why are they doing that?"

Because we've developed
this whole art form

that is based
on listening to the songs.

I was afraid that with videos,

people were gonna
start watching music

and not listen
to it anymore, you know?

♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪

You didn't have to be
great looking to be on MTV,

but you did need
to have an interesting look

or to be deadpan or have a wink.

Phil Collins
was a huge star on MTV.

Was he a matinee idol?

No. But he played along.

Cyndi Lauper
is a gorgeous woman who went far

out of her way
to make herself look weird

and crazy.

So the videos become bigger,
funnier, more colorful.

And there are bands that want
to play along with this

and bands that don't.

You have MTV putting
all these new stars

on the airwaves
that crowds these guys out.

You get the influence
of new wave

and synth pop.
And then on top of that,

you also get
the immediate impact

of this big blockbuster album
that knocks

a lot of these more
adult contemporary artists

off the pop charts.

Michael Jackson
is back in action

with his new album, Thriller.

Thriller certainly helps
hasten the end

of this moment
because among other things,

it's the dawn
of the mega music video

that turns
everything upside down.

But at the same time,
even Thriller is stocked

with guys who came
from that scene.

It's, uh, the--
the final result of a dream

that we had in a studio a year
and a half ago, and it worked.

This kind of a thing
only happens as a reaction

of what the world wants,
I think.

In a lot of ways,
Thriller was Michael Jackson's

transactional commercial album.

They were really strategic
and really shrewd,

and they decided
to make the album

a kind of marketing exercise.

What if every song
on the album could appeal

to a different audience?

Thriller is very eclectic.

It's got a bunch
of different styles

of music on it,

but they didn't have a lot
of time to record it.

If you're going
to pump out an album

in a short amount of time,
you need supporting musicians

who can also do it all.

And that's where
the Toto guys came in.

I met Quincy Jones
through David Foster

when Quincy was doing
The Dude record.

Q took a shine to me, man.
I just went in there.

He said, "I'm doing
Michael's next record.

I want you to be part of it."

The first thing we cut
was the Paul McCartney duet,

"The Girl Is Mine."

Quincy began to collect Totos.

Quincy would use
Steve Porcaro often

to do keyboard parts
and to program synthesizers.

By the time Thriller
came around,

he also brought in David Paich
and Jeff Porcaro.

So now you've got
almost the entire band

of Toto working
with Quincy Jones

to back up Michael Jackson
on a lot of the tracks.

But Quincy just
needed one special song

to finish off the album.

♪ Looking out
Across the nighttime ♪

♪ She hopes
To be the first in line... ♪

When I wrote "Human Nature,"

we were at a point
after Toto IV,

they were wanting
to do more stadium rock.

I played it for him
and no one jumped up and down

and said, "Boy, did you
knock one out of the park."

But, uh, Quincy
heard it accidentally and just,

I think, loved the atmosphere,

which is always what
I've kind of been about.

What was great
is he let me reproduce my demo

for the most part.

♪ Why, Why? ♪

♪ Tell her
That it's human nature ♪

♪ Why, Why
Do they do me that way? ♪

There are literally
no words of what it was like

to be alive watching
the Thriller effect

happen to the music industry.

But 40 years down the line,
I think it did a lot

of damage to what we knew
as a certain type of music

or a certain type
of creative process.

Because once Thriller comes,
your visuals have to be right.

It just started
a tsunami effect

that if you didn't
get down with it,

you just drowned
and you're out of it.

Um,
how do you see this album

different from your first one?

This album will be
a little more plain.

It'll be like, um...

Well, maybe simpler in places.

There may be songs
without drums or whatever.

And, you know, more space
to the record, probably.

So wish you lots of luck

- and please...
- Thanks.

Let your smash coming,

you know, keep coming here.

Good. Everybody
will be looking for it.

Hopefully, it'll be
worth the wait.

Radio had been embracing

my first album across formats,

and they sort of decided
I was a balladeer at that point.

He's in a tuxedo,
riding with Burt Bacharach.

He's schmoozy, he's schmaltzy.

So then work
reflects your personal life.

And I'd been through a divorce,

and I wrote
a very ballad-heavy,

torchy kind of record.

Some very pretty songs on it,

but it wasn't as eclectic
and balanced as my first record.

And I think I lost a lot
of momentum at radio.

And so as time went on,

I was always battling
that sophomore jinx.

With Christopher Cross,

what explains his career
is gravity.

The winners are Burt Bacharach,
Carole Bayer Sager,

- Christopher Cross,
and Peter Allen.

He had all these
extraordinary achievements

right away.

He shot into the stratosphere,

and there just was nowhere else

left to go
but down at that point.

His albums speak for themselves.
They sell in the millions.

He's here tonight with a song
from his second album.

Here's another great talent
for you to meet.

- Christopher Cross, here.

It was sort of meteoric

and there was nowhere to go
but down.

I was not prepared for it.

I went from playing clubs
to 20,000 seaters.

So I don't think I handled
the whole thing very well.

And, you know, kind of wish
I could go back and do it again.

But I think that period of time
was just kind of a big blur.

And I was just treading water
to keep up.

I didn't really acclimate
to my success

until I wasn't sort
of famous anymore.

Oh, you know who's stopping by?

Uh, Christopher Cross.

Remember that guy?

Once we get into the '80s,
movie soundtracks

become a safe haven for a lot
of these yacht rock guys

to extend
their pop stardom careers

at least a few more years.

That's where
the commercial opportunities

are available for them
all of a sudden

in this new,
video-centric MTV age.

Thanks to soundtrack
success with songs like

"Footloose," "I'm Alright,"
and "Danger Zone,"

this star continues
to mix movie hits

with his own singing
and songwriting.

Once Kenny Loggins
started to transition

to movie soundtracks,
he blew up.

That turned out
to be his bread and butter.

The thing with Kenny Loggins is

that he's still
a yacht rock artist,

but he's not really making
yacht rock songs.

But really, like,
that was the point,

that he was maybe
the most successful

at distancing himself
from this sound

that by then had become passé.

And then you get
"Sweet Freedom,"

Michael McDonald's chance
to finally do

a successful movie song
like his buddy Kenny Loggins

had been doing
for the last couple of years.

And it's the exclamation point
at the end

of the yacht rock era.

In a way,
the "Sweet Freedom" video

is almost like the beginning
of what you see

at yacht rock tribute concerts.
It's almost like the genesis

of what that genre
is going to be

like, 20 years in the future.

When you get into the mid-'80s,

all the major figures

of yacht rock
pretty much slipped

one way or another.

Michael McDonald is struggling
trying to make his second album.

Donald Fagen has writer's block
after The Nightfly,

and he just sort of retreats
into the background.

Kenny Loggins is getting into
synth pop and soundtrack work.

Christopher Cross, he's also
having some writer's block.

Toto fired Bobby Kimball,

the guy who did
all the high vocals,

and was struggling
to replace him.

Artists run out of hits.
It happens.

The zeitgeist
moves on without you.

The fact is Top 40 careers
have a natural end.

They always do and always will.

I'll quote my brother Mike.

Mike used to always say,

"The groove
is a delicate thing."

You know, especially when
you have success,

it's hard to keep your humility,
uh, and not think,

"Oh, I've got it
figured out now."

And you can only
have so many hit albums

and number-one singles
and Grammys

before the public just says,
"Enough.

No matter how good you are,
like, we need something new."

1985?

Poof!

Like a fucking fart, man.

It just caught us
from the first play.

As soon as you heard it,
you just like--

it just spoke to you.

♪ I've seen your picture... ♪

The Aja album,
but specifically "Peg,"

was definitely a hood song

because you heard it
in the hood.

You could hear it blasting
in people's houses, at parties,

and that's probably
one of the big influences

why when Pos
from De La heard it, he's like,

"Yo, we gotta use this."

Because it was etched
in our childhood growing up.

♪ Greetings, girl
And welcome to my world ♪

♪ Of phrase
I'm right up to bat... ♪

The music was incredible
to begin with

because you're starting out
with a base

that's already hit song
just based on

the instrumental itself.

But then the inspiration
of the lyrics

and how the lyrics were
and it was beautiful.

It's about, you know,
love, relationships.

But he could have rhymed
about buckling my shoe

and eating crap over that beat
and it would have worked

because the music is just so...

...you know what I'm saying,
just so dope.

In the case of De La Soul,

they decided, "You know what?"

"You mere peasants are taking
from the low-hanging fruit

of James Brown
and George Clinton

and the incredible
bongo rock band.

Like, anybody can do that.

But can you do something
with this Hall & Oates thing?

Can you do something
with this Steely Dan thing?

Can we find magic
on records by groups

that are not
under the funk ilk?"

And the answer
is a resounding yes.

If it has a pulse,
and if it has life,

it's up for grabs.

♪ Eye know
I love you better... ♪

Yacht rock has a foundation

in jazz and R&B,

and the result of that
is that Black audiences

appreciate this stuff
sometimes more

than the White audiences
did at the time.

So that's how you get
Warren G sampling

a Michael McDonald record
for a gangster rap hit.

♪ It was a clear black night
A clear white moon ♪

♪ Warren G was on the streets ♪

♪ Tryin' to consume
Some skirts for the eve ♪

♪ So I can get some phones
Rollin' in my ride ♪

♪ Chillin' all alone ♪

♪ Just hit the eastside
Of the L-B-C... ♪

When I first heard "Regulate,"
I'm like,

"I know what this is."

It becomes a point when
you're making hip-hop songs,

who has the smarts
to use it first?

And I'll give them credit
for taking it

and hearing something and go,

"We're gonna make something
out of this. This moves us."

It makes sense, though,
because it's like,

the records just sound so good.

Like, I'm sitting there
with the headphones on,

being like, "Oh, my God," like,
"How did they mic the drums?"

Like, this is insane, you know?
But it's like,

it sounds that good.
You might as well just use it.

And that Warren G song is dope.

So it's like,
they already did it once.

Let's just bring it back.

When you look at
the rise of G-funk music

in the 1990s,
that is a kind of smooth,

laid-back approach to hip-hop.

It made sense in a lot of ways
that they would reach back

to the West Coast sound
of the smooth funk

and jazz of that time period.

♪ I'm tweakin'
Into a whole new era ♪

♪ G-funk, step to this
I dare ya... ♪

He's talking about G-funk
and G is for Gangsta.

You know what I mean?

Like, the lineage of N.W.A.
is Warren G.

And one of
the most important songs

of the G-funk era is "Regulate."

And he's, like, giving
Michael McDonald new life.

It's almost like he gets
a second chance

at going to the top.

♪ Gangster twist
If you smoke... ♪

Warren liked the groove.

He loved Jeff's drumming,
and he just loved

the chord progression
we had come up with.

So he sampled it
for this track of his,

and it became a massive hit.

And of course,
that was the version

my kids liked. They'd go,
"Why don't you do

the... Warren G's version,

because, you know,
yours is lame?"

From the beginnings
of hip-hop to now,

the value of the right sample,
the right chop,

the right beat
is just as important to me

as the value of the song
that was created.

And you can play an instrument,

but that doesn't
mean you have feel.

And there's a certain froth
of what these moments create

that you can only get from that.

You can try to call somebody
to replay it

and it'd be like,
"Man, that sucks."

It's like, well, yeah,
because you're talking

about Donald Fagen.
Like, what are you talking?

You can't...

There is one of these people,

even though we all
have similar traits

and we've all been
given the same sets

of fingers and hands
for the most part,

there's a part where, nah, man,

when that person does it,
that's theirs.

So you can only
get it from them.

♪ Where no one can tell
Their worlds apart ♪

♪ We'll live with dark
Just take the ride ♪

♪ It's your boy... ♪

"Show You the Way"
is this moment for me.

Like, "What can I do to this?
What is this?"

It's always ticking in my mind.

And in the back of my mind,
I was definitely like,

"Man, this is Kenny
and Michael."

♪ Your heart
Is struggling, baby ♪

♪ Trying to believe ♪

♪ There might be something
That you just couldn't see ♪

Thundercat,
somebody asked him on camera,

you know, who he would like
to write with.

And he said, Kenny Loggins
and Mike McDonald.

♪ Let me show you
Show you the way... ♪

So we all met up at the studio.

Steve played us a bunch
of stuff he was doing.

And there was one thing
he had already started.

And one of us,
Kenny or I, said,

"That kind of rings our bell,
you know, right there."

♪ Wake up and dream ♪

♪ Tear down the wall ♪

♪ Before you believe... ♪

I would always
introduce Michael McDonald,

like,
"Michael fucking McDonald."

You know, like, I'd make sure
to emphasize that.

To be able to share
the stage with him, like,

this guy's, you know,

like, you've influenced
every decision I've made

when it comes to the types
of way I express myself,

when it comes to musically.

It was a trip, man. It's--

Anytime he's ever come out,
and even Kenny,

it's like,
it's been a trip for me.

Thundercat, Michael McDonald,
Kenny Loggins.

- Fantastic!

I fully expected to be
totally forgotten by the end

of the '80s, you know,
and gone the wayside

of other musical genres
that had their moment

in the sun, you know.

The tambour
in my voice allows me

to communicate with whales.

♪ Maybe that can help ♪

There's nothing greater
in a way for any genre

of anything to be joked about

because it means
that it's relevant.

It means that it's identifiable.

- ♪ Catalina Breeze ♪
- ♪ Catalina ♪

I mean, in a way,
Blue Jean Committee,

you could see it as a joke

but it's still completely
done out of love.

When I hear those songs,
I'm like,

"How did they do this?"

Boy, they were not in a rush.

-Steely Dan.
- Uh, no.

Yes, absolutely.
No, look.

No, in terms
of pure musicianship,

I would put them up

against any current band
you can name.

In recent years,
there has been a shift

that I think
has opened up some space

for dunking on White guys,
you know?

And I think yacht rock
is folded into that.

Warren, you lucky motherfucker.

You need a smooth groove?
Sample this.

This thing,
you come to it jokingly,

but then you suddenly
find yourself

appreciating it sincerely.

And I think that that's sort of
beautiful that like

all of these records
were sitting in the dollar bin

waiting for somebody
to pull them out

and kind of make
a case for them.

And it feels fresh
and it feels like a '70s

that we haven't necessarily
strip-mined culturally.

And I think
it's an amazing achievement

to retroactively name a genre

through your low-budget
web series

that you're filming
in your apartment.

I can't really think
of another genre

that was like invented
to describe music

25 years after the fact.

Another genre that, uh,
wasn't named at the time,

that was named
way after was classical.

Beethoven, you know, Mozart,
none of these people were going

like, "Yeah,
we're classical artists,

we do classical."

And they were like, "Do you
wanna do something else?"

Like, "No,
we're gonna play classical."

Upon his passing,
I was trying to figure out

the most heartfelt,
loving tribute

that I could pay
to my pal, Anthony Bourdain.

And I crafted a playlist.

And I think of all my playlists,

that's probably
the most followed.

Like, everyone and their mom
comes to me either to start

an argument with,
"Take that off the playlist,

that is not yacht rock,"
to "You forgot these ten."

So, go figure.

But you're drowning
in the past, Mike.

And I got your life jacket
right here.

It's called the '80s.

And it's gonna be
around forever.

Fuck you, Loggins.

At first, I felt,
like, a little insulted,

like we were
being made fun of.

But I began to see
that it was also

a kind of ass-backwards
way to honor us.

And it was pretty funny,
you know, the whole sort of

alternate reality history
that they were creating.

They had taken
what we were doing

and defined it as a genre.

We hadn't really
seen it that way.

To us, it was just the next
logical step in making,

you know, pop music.

When are we gonna be done?

Till you get it perfect.

Take 537.

What's funny about it
to me was my son

couldn't wait to show me
this thing he'd found

on the Internet.
And it was hysterical.

I couldn't deny
that it was funny.

I thought it was kind of uncanny
at times how they made up

these personalities
that more or less

had some basis of truth,
whether they knew it or not.

I always thought it was
kind of flattering

to be made fun of
because obviously,

it made an impression
on somebody.

Whether it's good or bad,

it doesn't really matter
at that point, you know.

- We love yacht rock!

It's a funny thing. It's sort of
like forensic labeling.

It's way after the fact

that this term
has come into parlance.

And as a result,

it's probably done more
for that kind of music.

So, you know, in the end,

I guess it was a good idea.

I've made peace with yacht rock,

but for the first few years,
I just hated it.

I'm like, why did they
pick our generation

to make all of our music
into like a big joke,

but it's turned into
this cottage industry

as... I mean...

I'd love to see
what Donald Fagen says

about Yacht Rock Radio.

I don't know
what it is about all the music

that I've ever been
involved with,

but there has to be
a silly title involved

with it as well.

"Yacht Rock."
Where's my fucking yacht?

I played on all those records.

At the same time,
call it what you want.

People like the music.

It was called my career.
I'm going to work today,

and that's the music
I'm playing.

Every day, I wake up real early,

and I go to work
in my studio writing songs,

trying to come up
with the next "Human Nature."

That's all I do now,
and I'm in heaven.

I'm loving it. Um...

I'm 65,
and there's not that many people

that care anymore,
but in my head,

I'm living the dream, so...

I really never imagined
that I'd be doing it this long.

I'm so lucky
that I get to sing for a living.

How sweet can that be?

Even though my later records
didn't sell, you know,

and I made 12 of them,
the drive to do it

never really dissipated.

I just kept on doing it

because it seemed like
sort of a natural process

and an insatiable need
I needed to do it.

I think I know
why I was put here,

and I think I did my best
to honor that, you know?

But my fantasy has been like,
you know, if I do retire,

I'll be able to do
all the things I promised myself

I'd do,
which I probably wouldn't do.

But, uh, you know,
like exercise

and eat right and paint

and get a little gig somewhere,
three nights a week,

learning all these songs
I've always wanted to do live.

But I realized the reality
of that is

I'd have some drunk
sitting there...

- Yeah.
- ...asking me to...

requesting songs,
I'd have to get some sign

that says,
"No fucking requests."

♪ Maybe it's true
What they say about ♪

♪ Maybe we can't
Make the ends meet ♪

♪ Maybe we'll all have
To do without ♪

♪ Maybe this world's
Just incomplete ♪

♪ Well, we all look
For truth in this life ♪

♪ Searching with hope inside ♪

♪ If it's so hard living
In a desperate world ♪

♪ We all do the best
That we can ♪

♪ Some people see a change ♪

♪ Some will remain the same ♪

♪ Others will live their lives ♪

♪ Under the gun ♪

♪ Some see the road as clear ♪

♪ Some say the end is here ♪

♪ They say
It's a hopeless fight ♪

♪ But I say I gotta try now ♪

♪ Oh, I've gotta try, baby ♪

♪ Maybe it's too much
To think about ♪

♪ Maybe there ain't nothing
Left to say ♪

♪ But if our time
Is really runnin' ♪

♪ Then this ain't no time
To run away ♪

♪ 'Cause we're
Destined to look ♪

♪ For the truth in this life ♪

♪ Searching with tearful eyes ♪

♪ If it's so hard living
In a desperate world ♪

♪ Then tell me why was I born? ♪

♪ Some people see a change ♪

♪ Some will remain the same ♪

♪ Others will live their lives ♪

- ♪ Under the gun ♪
- ♪ Gun ♪

♪ Some see the road as clear ♪

♪ Some say the end is here ♪

♪ They say
It's a hopeless fight ♪

♪ But I say I gotta try now ♪