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[man] In January 1998,
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a seven-year-old boy was sat on the floor
of his grandparents' living room
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in Alperton, North West London.
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Three generations gathered round the telly
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to watch episode one
of this new show on the BBC.
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Now, the boy's grandparents
had had tough lives, right?
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The sort of lives
that clad you in an armour,
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and it's the sort of armour
from which laughter struggles to escape.
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But for the next half hour,
the boy and his family
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watched episode one
of Goodness Gracious Me,
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and he listened as his grandparents
fucking pissed themselves laughing
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at themselves and with themselves
for the first time he could remember.
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And watching Sanjeev Bhaskar, Meera Syal,
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Nina Wadia and Kulvinder Ghir
on television,
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the boy thought,
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"Wait, we can do that?!
I didn't know we could do that."
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"But if we get to do that,
then I wanna do that,"
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because hearing my grandparents
make that sound
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is the best sound I've ever heard
in my entire life.
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Over 25 years later,
would you please welcome to the stage
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Mr Ahir Shah.
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Hello! Hello!
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Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello.
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-Good evening, London. Are we well?
-[cheering and applause]
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Fantastic, fantastic.
Lovely to have you here.
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Lovely to have you
in such fine voice. Hello!
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Uh, my name is Ahir Shah.
That is my name, by the way, right?
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I didn't used to need to clarify this,
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until a few years ago,
I was doing this gig in Switzerland…
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I was doing a gig in Switzerland,
and the theme of this gig
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was that every comedian
was from a different country, right?
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I was the British entrant. Very modern.
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-Right? And…
-[laughter]
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There was one comedian
I was particularly excited to meet
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'cause this guy's name was Ali Al Sayed.
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Now, Ali is a stand-up comedian
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from the United Arab Emirates,
of all places, right?
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I'd never met anyone
from the United Arab Emirates,
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let alone a comedian
from the United Arab Emirates.
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To be perfectly honest,
I didn't think they had comedians
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in the United Arab Emirates.
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I assumed he'd just be
walking onstage being like,
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"What's the deal
with unspeakable oil wealth?"
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-[laughter]
-He's a very nice man, a very funny man.
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After the show, all the comedians,
we're all backstage hanging out.
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We're all having a laugh, having a drink.
Not Ali, obviously. Right, and…
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We get to talking, and he says to me,
"Like, uh, listen, bro."
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"We're friends now.
I can ask you a question."
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"You're not gonna get offended."
I'm like, "Listen, brother."
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"You're from Dubai.
I'm of South Asian origin."
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"As long as the question
you have for me is not,
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'Do you want a job
on a construction site?'"
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[laughter]
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Industrialised slavery.
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"You can ask me
whatever the hell you like."
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He's like, "Nothing like that.
I was just wondering."
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"When did you decide to start using
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the hilarious comedy stage name
Ahir Shah?"
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Right? I was like,
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"To be honest, I don't remember,
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but it was probably 28th December 1990
when I plopped out of Mrs Shah,
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and she and Mr Shah decided to call
their newborn bundle of joy Ahir."
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"I think that's about when
I started going by Ahir Shah."
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He's like, "Right, right, okay."
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"One thing you should know, in case
you're ever in my neck of the woods,
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is that in Arabic, your name means
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Prostitute King!"
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He wasn't even fucking with me.
Ahir Shah is "prostitute king" in Arabic.
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There are several reasons I didn't think
my career would go stratospheric in Saudi.
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Humble enough to know that I don't have
the best bone-saw material on the circuit.
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That's Romesh, and fair enough.
Right, but, uh…
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I put this to the back of my mind
for several years, as you would,
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until, uh, November 2022.
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I was in Egypt doing some work
around the COP climate conference.
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They speak Arabic in Egypt,
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and I don't know
if anyone else in the room
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has ever walked into a hotel
and attempted to check in
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by announcing themselves
to everyone working there
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as "Monarch of all Pimps"?
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Really changes the vibe in a lobby,
in my experience.
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They think you're selling
something very different to what you are.
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Anyway, that's me, then. Ahir Shah.
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Prostitute King to my friends.
Mr Shah to you, and, uh…
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It's been a while
since I've done a big show like this.
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A lot's changed in the world,
in my life. A lot's changed in my life.
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I'm now very much in my thirties now.
That's exciting.
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Shit started falling apart way younger
than I was led to believe, by the way.
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I thought I had another good decade
left in me.
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As it stands,
everything's already just crumbling.
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My knees are already fucked.
Absolutely no idea what's going on there.
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I'm trying desperately
to get a referral from my GP, right…
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Sorry, for younger people…
Right, um, a GP… Right…
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So a GP was a service where, like…
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-Young fellow. How old are you, mate?
-Twenty-two.
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Twenty-two. So you might remember
but in the same way you remember iPods.
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You never had one,
but you're vaguely aware they existed.
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Okay, so basically, like,
a GP was this, like…
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Right, imagine you're a bit poorly.
Not super poorly but a bit poorly.
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What would happen was
there was this number you called,
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and someone answered, right, and, uh…
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Not even necessarily
at eight in the morning.
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Any time during business hours.
Very forthcoming.
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Uh, so you'd call them,
and you'd be like, "Oh, I'm a bit poorly,"
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and they'd be like,
"Ah, cool. Come see us, soon."
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Right?
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And so a couple of days,
days, a couple of days later,
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what would happen was
you went over to this… Right.
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It looked like a semi-detached house.
It wasn't.
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That was the first trick they played.
It's like a sphinx's riddle.
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Past that, you were golden.
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You'd arrive, like, 10, 15 minutes early.
You're a conscientious person.
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And you'd sit in a sort of,
uh, waiting room,
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and after about 10, 15 minutes,
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someone would call your name,
and you'd go to a separate, smaller room,
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and there would just be one guy in there,
and he would be like…
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I mean, he would, right?
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'Cause we've quite a reassuring manner
in a lanyard.
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Right? And you'd tell this person
what sort of poorly that you were,
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and this was a very well-educated person,
so you could just be fixed then and there,
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but occasionally, it'd be a slightly
more complex health need,
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and you'd get a referral
to a hospital, right?
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Sorry. Right. A hospital. Now…
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Have you ever wondered
where the queue of ambulances ends?
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Right? That is a building
known as a "hospital".
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Funny word, isn't it? Interesting thing.
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You were born in one. You'll die in one.
Between then, you're fucked. Sorry.
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Right, uh, basically that…
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I'm obviously being slightly disingenuous.
There are quite a lot of them.
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Generally speaking,
they were all either built or done up
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when the prime minister's name
was either Attlee, Wilson, or Blair.
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Not sure why. Not sure why!
It's just a coincidence, isn't it?
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What possible intellectual merit
could there be
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in examining why that might have ended up
being the case of all things?
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Fourteen fucking years!
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Fourteen wasted fucking years!
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Like, not entirely wasted, obviously.
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There have been some genuine
achievements of Conservative government.
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I mean that entirely sincerely,
by the way.
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My favourite of which is, like…
Basically, it's funny.
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If you ignore all of the noise
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and just look at
the actual underlying data,
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over the last 14 years,
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the Tories so successfully decarbonised
the British economy and energy mix,
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including all imported emissions,
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that if the countries responsible
for the lion's share of emissions
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had been anything like as impressive
as we've been over the last 14 years,
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global warming
basically wouldn't be a thing.
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The Tories did that.
They did it on purpose.
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It is spectacularly impressive,
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and they can't admit it
'cause they think it sounds gay.
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Other than that,
it's slim pickings out there. Really is.
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Genuinely. It's worse than it's been
my entire adult life, for sure.
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Listen, the vibes are awful out there.
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We're genuinely skint, as a collective,
in a way that we weren't in 2010
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'cause, basically, in 2010,
the Conservatives were elected
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by telling a sequence of lies
about the British economy and society.
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that they then spent the next 14 years
ensuring were true.
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Right, and… Is it…
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We need an election, yeah.
We need an election.
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At this stage, I would settle for
a total overthrow of the current system
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and the installation
of one-man dictatorial rule,
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provided that the man in question
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was Martin Lewis,
the Money Saving Expert, right?
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-[whooping and applause]
-I love that guy!
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I love Martin Lewis,
the Money Saving Expert, so goddamn much.
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-Do you sign up to his email?
-Oh yeah.
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You do? You're a good citizen.
Well done, sir.
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If you do not sign up for it,
do your bit for your country.
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That man is the only thing
standing between us and the fucking brink.
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Right. I love Martin Lewis,
the Money Saving Expert, so goddamn…
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So, for the uninitiated,
Martin Lewis, he's a money-saving expert,
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and he runs this website
called MoneySavingExpert.com,
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and you get a weekly email,
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and it's about money saving
and the expertise therein, right?
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And, um, basically, Martin Lewis,
the Money Saving Expert,
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he set up his business for ÂŁ80, right?
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Eight-zero. That's all it cost.
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He is now worth 100 million, right?
Isn't that amazing?
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He gives a lot away
to things like Citizen's Advice
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'cause he gives a shit
unlike the people in charge.
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I love that for Martin Lewis.
I love that Martin Lewis is rich.
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Right? Here's the thing, right?
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The reason I love it is that Martin Lewis
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is basically the only person
I can think of
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who's got properly rich from helping.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Take a second to dwell
on how rare that is, broadly speaking.
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'Cause there's no money in helping,
is there? We all know that.
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There's money in hindering,
for sure. Right?
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There's no money in helping. Right?
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When's the last time
any of you were walking down the street
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and went, "Oh my god, a Lamborghini!
Who does that belong to?"
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And someone's like, "The lollipop lady."
Right? It doesn't happen.
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'Cause there's no money in helping
unless you're Martin Lewis.
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Because that man is rich as balls,
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and the way he got there
was by getting all of us together
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and just being like,
"Pizza Express. 2 for 1 on Wednesday."
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"Dough balls are on me.
Don't worry about it."
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It's gonna take more than Martin Lewis
to save us now, the state that we're in.
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It's really bad out there.
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And it's weird for me
because at the same time
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as the country I love
is so visibly on its knees,
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I am personally happier
than I have ever been in my entire life.
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And the two things
are entirely unconnected, but still,
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feeling personally happy
when your country is suffering
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feels actively distasteful.
Do you know what I mean?
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I've not done it on purpose,
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but it's like having Chumbawamba
stuck in your head at a funeral.
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The reason, ladies and gentlemen,
that I am happier than I have ever been
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is that in October of last year,
I got married.
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Yeah.
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Honestly, she's the single best thing
ever to happen to me.
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I love her with all my heart.
She's a civil servant.
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I'm in it for the pension.
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You have to understand
I'm a self-employed man.
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Before I met her, my retirement plan
was just to not live that long.
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Whereas now, my entire financial security
and old age is wholly dependent
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on not upsetting one woman
till the day I die. Right?
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That'll be a new personal best, mate.
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In this economy, I'll try anything, right?
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I'd always known
that I wanted to get married eventually.
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I guess there was a certain degree
of cultural expectation as well.
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I don't know what to tell you.
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In Asian families, you get married,
you stay married. It's just what happens.
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Some of you may know this from your own
families, maybe friends' families.
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You might not be aware of the sheer extent
to which this is the case,
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so I'll give you the best example I have.
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I started doing stand-up comedy
when I was a teenager, right?
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When I was about 17 years old,
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I was given the opportunity
to do five minutes
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at the Hackney Empire theatre
in East London.
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That's a very big theatre. 1500 people.
Some of you may well have been.
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It's the coolest thing
that had ever happened to me.
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I was on in the first section,
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so I invited my mum, my dad and my sister
to come watch,
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and they saved me a seat
so I could watch in the second section.
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And the reason
I was invited in the first place
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is that the Hackney Empire were putting on
an evening of British Asian stand-up,
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and I, as the new kid on the block,
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they were like, "Let's give
little Ahir a go." That's nice, isn't it?
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And so the whole audience, sold-out show,
1500 people, all British Asian.
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All of the performers, British Asian,
apart from… right…
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about two hours before the show started,
one of the acts suddenly had to drop out.
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Now, this is the noughties.
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It's not like nowadays where everyone's
got email on their phones.
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They had to ring around,
try and find a replacement.
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A replacement was found
in the form of my friend
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the comedian Joe Bor. Right?
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Now, Joe is a very nice man.
He's a very funny man.
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What Joe is not is a British Asian man.
Right?
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What Joe is is a Jewish man.
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Clearly, with two hours on the clock,
one of the organisers was like, "Fuck! I…"
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[muttering]
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"I think Jews are basically Asian. I…"
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Listen, I'm not saying there aren't
similarities between the communities.
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My best mate's Jewish. We've been mates
since we were 14 years old,
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and it's 'cause the first time we met,
he told me about his mum,
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and everything that his mum did
was either shit that my mum did
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or hadn't thought of yet.
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There's one crucial difference
between the communities,
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as my friend the comedian Joe Bor
found out to his dismay that evening.
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Because my friend the comedian Joe Bor
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walked onstage
in front of 1500 brown faces
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and opened with the line,
"My parents are divorced."
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"Gimme a cheer
if your parents are divorced."
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Fucking nothing!
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Not a single sound
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from 1,500 people.
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I will never forget my mother leaning over
and whispering in my 17-year-old ear,
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"Bless him.
He has no idea who he's talking to."
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So what happens in Asian families,
for better or for worse,
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you get married, you stay married.
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I come from a very long line
of very long-married people.
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Uh, my parents met at a mutual friend's
birthday party in India in 1979.
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Fell in love at first sight.
My dad proposed that night.
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They have been married
for almost 45 years. Right? Um…
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By the standards
of my mum's family, by the way,
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my parents had had
quite an extensive courtship,
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uh, prior to that.
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I mean, like, well, her parents,
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my maternal grandparents,
Nanaji and Nanima,
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I mean, the first conversation they had
with one another, just, like, one-on-one,
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was on the night,
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like, several hours
after they were already married, right?
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It's 1955 in India. It was arranged.
I don't know what to tell you.
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Like, they weren't complete strangers
to one another. That would be silly.
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It's, like, the families
had exchanged a photograph. Uh…
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Right? And, um…
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these pieces of paper with a few bits
of biographical information on them.
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Imagine getting shown that
when you're, like, 19, 20.
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"Is this who you'd like to marry forever?"
"Oh yeah, I guess."
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Then, in the end, very happily married
for nearly a half century
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until my grandfather sadly died
relatively young.
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It's so funny talking about this
in front of liberal London audiences.
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Like, it's just like, you all know
that outwardly you have to be like,
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"Oh."
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"The mysteries of the East."
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Uh…
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"A rich cultural tapestry
that may be interwoven with our own."
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Internally, you're all just thinking,
"That's fucking barbaric."
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"The thing is,
that's fucking barbaric, sorry."
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"You mean to tell me
that two people barely out of their teens,
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and all they had to go on was a photograph
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and a few bits
of scant biographical information,
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and within a matter of days,
they were in bed together?"
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"That is fucking disgusting."
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"We would never do anything
so crass and horrific
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in our contemporary, enlightened Western…"
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[laughter and applause]
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Sorry, just because you've decided
to do it via algorithm,
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not "old woman in your village",
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does not make it less arranged, right?
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All you've decided to do
is outsource responsibility
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to the one thing
somehow less accountable, all right?
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My wife and I obviously had
a far more conventional relationship, uh,
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prior to getting engaged,
meeting in this country and whatnot.
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It took me a long time
to work up the courage
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to pop the question, as they say, mate.
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We were going out five weeks,
and I asked her to marry me. Um…
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I get shit done.
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There's no point pissing about
if you know you know.
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So just get it… get it done.
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No point leaving stuff
on your to-do list for six months.
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Things are worth doing quickly and well.
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It's the single best decision I ever made.
Absolutely no downside.
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Admittedly, we were engaged for six months
before we could start living together
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just because, like,
our tenancy agreements didn't…
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Spent half my life on a fucking bus.
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Then, eventually, obviously,
we were able to finally move in together,
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but all that meant was we were two people
in our early thirties living in London
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joining households,
so now, we rent one roof
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that contains two copies
of every Ottolenghi book
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and no realistic pathway to homeownership.
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[chuckles]
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I love my Ottolenghi books though.
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Not giving those up, even for a house.
Might need the spares.
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Love my Ottolenghi books.
Hey, mate, you got an Ottolenghi book?
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-Ah yeah, I love it.
-Yeah?
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That's the sort of thing you can afford
when you get the Martin Lewis email.
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Love my Ottolenghi books.
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"For this recipe, you will need two limes
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that were once briefly glimpsed
by a Persian widow."
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"Or, if they don't have that
in a shop near you, just any lime."
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The thing is, you think it's bullshit,
but I got some of the widow limes,
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and you can taste the grief.
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It's good stuff, actually.
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The salt from the tears
adds real depth of flavour.
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I think that,
shy of having children with someone,
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I think getting engaged, getting married,
it's like the most optimistic bet
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that two people can make on the future.
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Just this idea that you can sincerely
look at someone and say,
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"Our lives could be joined in something
greater than the sum of its parts
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stretching forward for the rest of them."
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That's an extraordinarily optimistic
way to feel, right?
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At the same time
as it feels like we're embarking
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on the most optimistic journey
of a lifetime,
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it feels like the country around us
has just given up. You know what I mean?
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It's very difficult not to feel like
this entire place has called last orders,
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isn't it?
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It is acutely difficult
not to feel deeply pessimistic
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about every element
of the future of this country. Right?
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That's weird enough for me as we're
beginning this optimistic journey,
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but it's doubly weird
when I think about the fact
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that if I were able to get
into a time machine and travel to 1964,
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when my grandfather,
younger than I am now,
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became the first member of our family
to set foot on these shores,
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and I would just explain
the present to him,
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he would not believe me
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because he would think I was describing
some unimaginable utopia of progress.
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So that's really what I'm trying to do.
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To take a step back, view things
through a wider lens, a generational lens,
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get some perspective, not be so blinkered,
try not to lose the wood for the trees.
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'Cause the story of my family
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is a very typical one
for the British Indian community.
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I think that's a very relevant story
to the past, present and future
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of this country, right?
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British Indians are,
by a very long margin,
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the largest minority-ethnic group
in this country.
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Hindus, again we're talking
about millions upon millions…
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None of you know any of that
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because our entire cultural output
consists of my mate Nish. Right?
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And…
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The story of the Indian community
in this country,
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by and large, starts,
as it did for my family, in the 1960s
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and has ended up, in the 2020s,
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with us now running everything?
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"Rishi bhai did it!"
390
00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,760
"Rishi bhai did it! Never thought I'd live
to see the day that Rishi bhai did it."
391
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"Got that big house
in the middle of town now, baby."
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"Rishi bhai did it!"
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Listen, politically, I'm furious.
Racially, thrilled.
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Ah! Are you kidding me?
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On an ethnic level, couldn't be happier
for him and his family.
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Increasingly worried about mine.
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Very much how I used to feel every time
I saw Suella Aunty on the television.
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"Jesus Christ, calm down, Suella Aunty.
You're gonna get us both killed."
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Right, uh…
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I'm gonna talk about
the prime minister a little bit.
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Obviously, I've got to be
relatively careful what I say about him
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because we can all agree there's
about a 70% chance that a decade from now,
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I will play him in a Channel 4 drama.
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00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:55,400
Right, right…
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Not gonna burn a bridge
before I've even crossed it.
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Are you kidding me? I need that money.
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00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,320
I just wish that I could get across,
like, how wild that day was, right? I…
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A British Indian,
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devout Hindu, son of immigrants,
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became prime minister of Britain
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on Diwali.
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That was a very difficult day
in the family WhatsApp for me.
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Get the family WhatsApp up on my phone.
Yes, it's called the Asian Network.
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See "Dad is typing…"
415
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Wait for the inevitable.
416
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,960
"Ahir, have you seen
what Mr Sunak's son has done today?"
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"Still, Ahir, you enjoy mocking your week.
I'm sure that's nice for you."
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I'm glad the shine's come off him now.
Everyone knows he's not really up to it.
419
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At the beginning, you all acted
like he was the perfect Indian boy.
420
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At the beginning, everyone acted
like he was the perfect Indian boy.
421
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It's 'cause you just go off
the CV on paper. Right?
422
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,640
You don't know what I know.
423
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,440
What does it say on the CV?
Fucking anyone could've done that.
424
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,200
What? Piece of piss. Who cares? What?
425
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,680
All right, fair enough.
What's the guy done? Fair enough.
426
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,400
Does well at school. Gets into Oxford.
Does well at Oxford. Gets into Stanford.
427
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,680
Does well at Stanford.
Starts working in finance.
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00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,040
Becomes a multi-multimillionaire
in his own right in his twenties,
429
00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:26,760
largely through executing positions
as a big short in 2007-2008
430
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that makes him rich enough
that he'd never have to work again.
431
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,320
No one even reflects on that
'cause at Stanford,
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he meets and eventually marries
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the daughter
of a genuine Indian billionaire,
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who's a very successful businesswoman
in her own right.
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They move to the United Kingdom
436
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,360
where he becomes an MP
at an obscenely young age,
437
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,920
Chancellor at an obscenely young age,
438
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,600
during one of the worst financial crises
this country's experienced,
439
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,800
then prime minister,
at an obscenely young age,
440
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,760
of the country that colonised and
expropriated the wealth of his ancestors,
441
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,040
leading to complex migratory patterns,
in his family's case, via East Africa,
442
00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:57,000
landing him on the doorstep of the
most significant address in this country
443
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,960
on the most significant day of his faith,
444
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,240
and everyone acts
like he's the perfect Indian boy.
445
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,160
Feel free to look this up.
It is genuinely true.
446
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,960
Rishi Sunak never made
his school cricket team.
447
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,440
I was captain of mine.
448
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,520
[cheering and applause]
449
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,200
That's right!
450
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:25,880
That is right!
451
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,040
Any Indian father would dropkick
the prime minister into a canal to get me.
452
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,960
All right? Know what I mean?
453
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,760
"Who cares about Rishi Sunak?
I want Ahir Tendulkar. Mmm."
454
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,920
"Hearing a lot about Number Ten.
Should be batting at number four."
455
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,360
"That's classy."
456
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,440
His family came here in the '60s too.
Like, I… I think about that sometimes.
457
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,000
Getting into my time machine
458
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,280
and travelling
to that cold bedsit in Bradford
459
00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:52,080
and explaining to my grandfather
460
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,760
that when his grandson was a bit older
than he was then,
461
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,640
not only would this be the case,
462
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,280
but I think the bit
that he'd struggle with the most
463
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:02,240
is that it's not a thing.
Do you know what I mean?
464
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,080
The news was just like,
"And the prime minister, Rishi Sunak,"
465
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,000
and everyone's like,
"Yeah, that makes sense."
466
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,440
It is remarkable
how unremarkable it is, right?
467
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,200
That's a thing
that's worth reflecting upon.
468
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,080
Listen, I'll always talk about
the things we do badly as a country.
469
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,640
I think one of the things
we do terribly as a country
470
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,360
is never discussing
anything we do well as a country.
471
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,400
And I do think
that when we're at our best,
472
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,240
Britain stands basically alone,
473
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,400
certainly in Europe,
probably in the world,
474
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,560
as an example
of what a properly successful
475
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,480
multiethnic, multicultural democracy
can look like in practice
476
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,880
in the 21st century.
477
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,880
That's something that is worth discussing.
478
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,640
It's why I hate it
when you get people on the far right
479
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,880
decrying that multiculturalism
is some grand failed experiment,
480
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,800
when you can see its successes
if you bother to open your eyes.
481
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,720
It's why I can't stand it
when people on my own "team", right?
482
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,240
I don't like teams
in the first place, but listen.
483
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,720
I voted remain,
484
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,120
but whenever people are like,
"It was only the European Union
485
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,000
that gave us our values
of tolerance and decency to…"
486
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,280
Fuck off!
487
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,640
Anyone else in the room ever been
to continental Europe while not white?
488
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,280
It's not the relaxing
holidaying experience
489
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,400
that some of the rest of you may enjoy.
490
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,920
Genuinely. A couple of years ago,
I had to go to this wedding in France.
491
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,440
I genuinely… The way people were…
492
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,040
I kept asking people I was with…
Like, I thought I had something on me.
493
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:24,480
Turns out I did!
494
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,240
Gonna get an Algerian president
of France anytime soon,
495
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,520
or reckon the fash'll get there first?
Same question for Germany, you know?
496
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,840
Listen, I think that
Britain stands basically alone in this.
497
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,480
That's worth reflecting on, right?
I remember when I was 20 years old,
498
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,120
walking across the Meadows
on the south side of Edinburgh
499
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,520
with my friend the Indian American
comedian Hari Kondabolu, right?
500
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,000
I said to him, "Hari bhai…"
501
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,840
I think that when you're part
of any sort of visible minority,
502
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,320
whatever that minority might be,
what you fundamentally want in life,
503
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,960
it's not necessarily different treatment
or special treatment.
504
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,280
Rather, it is the ability, eventually,
to get to go without saying.
505
00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:03,920
To be part of what is.
Just to, sort of, get to be normal.
506
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,680
I think if you get to be normal 24-7,
507
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,200
you probably don't realise how cool it is
to get to be normal all the time.
508
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,560
And does political representation
get us there in and of itself?
509
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,880
Of course it doesn't, right?
We know this for a fact.
510
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,360
Rishi Sunak, not even the first PM
from a minority-ethnic background.
511
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,240
First, way back in the 19th century,
Benjamin Disraeli, also a Tory, right?
512
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,880
Would you say that antisemitism
does not exist in contemporary Britain?
513
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,920
That would be
a fucking stupid thing to say.
514
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,800
But maybe these things
are indicative of the fact
515
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,400
that, in societies,
we can, over time, move towards a position
516
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,160
where more and more people
can be brought into the circle
517
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,920
of who gets to go without saying,
518
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,000
until that sphere is eventually
expanded to include everyone,
519
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,760
which is where it should've been
in the first fuckin' place.
520
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,680
I have had the very great privilege
521
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,320
of seeing a large amount of this world
through these eyes.
522
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,200
I have been to many countries,
cities, continents doing this,
523
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,120
and I can comfortably say that Britain is,
yes, as the cliché goes,
524
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,760
"the least racist country in the world".
525
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,800
It just says a shitload more
about the world than about Britain.
526
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,720
Right?
527
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,320
And please do not interpret this
as any sort of grand political point.
528
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,280
I think the guy's
a fucking appalling prime minister.
529
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:13,040
He's, like, genuinely terrible,
and no one voted for any of this.
530
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,640
It is abysmal
what is happening to us at the moment.
531
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,040
I do not agree with his politics, but…
532
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,240
By the way, that's when you know
that something historic's happened.
533
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,760
People use phrases like,
"I may not agree with the politics, but…"
534
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,440
[emphatically] No one felt the need
with David Cameron.
535
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,200
It's just nice for someone like that
to get a girl, isn't it?
536
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,880
Right, but Sunak and Cameron
are basically the same guy
537
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,240
'cause they went to fancy school.
538
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,440
That's what explains it. Fancy school,
and fancy school runs the country.
539
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,400
That is not the school that I think about
when I think about the prime minister.
540
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,120
The school that I think about
541
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,480
is quite a long time ago
and quite a long way away.
542
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,120
In April 1919,
543
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,800
an event occurred in Amritsar, Punjab,
at the time British India,
544
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,960
that is now known to history
as the Jallianwala Bagh massacre,
545
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,880
also known as the Amritsar massacre.
546
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,000
This is when thousands
of entirely unarmed civilians,
547
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,840
peaceful protesters and pilgrims
were kettled into a very, very small area,
548
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,200
and tens of thousands of rounds
of machine-gun fire
549
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,320
were opened up intentionally
on these entirely unarmed civilians,
550
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,360
at least 379 of whom were murdered,
551
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,720
probably many more,
though we'll never know the true total,
552
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,640
and thousands more
had life-defining injuries thereafter.
553
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,760
It is one of the worst
and most well-documented cases
554
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,720
of colonial atrocities
of British rule in India.
555
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,360
I've known about that a very long time.
556
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,160
What I did not know about,
557
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,600
until an investigation
in The Times last year,
558
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,040
was that subsequent to the massacre
in Amritsar,
559
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,840
there was a sequence
of additional smaller massacres
560
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,880
perpetrated in towns and villages
surrounding Amritsar as the word got out
561
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,520
in order to stop the possibility
of any subsequent civilian uprisings,
562
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,880
including one that happened
in a place called Gujranwala, right?
563
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,520
Now, Gujranwala,
it's about 100 miles away from Amritsar.
564
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,960
It's a border town
in contemporary Pakistan.
565
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,000
And in Gujranwala, again,
thousands of rounds of machine-gun fire
566
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,680
were let out at entirely unarmed…
just farmers tilling their fields.
567
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,560
And over the course of two days,
568
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,360
ten bombs were dropped,
569
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,480
including one intentionally dropped
on the school
570
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,880
as a show of "This is how powerful we are
571
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,080
and how little of a shit
we give about you,
572
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,160
so don't you even think
about trying to fuck with us."
573
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,080
One of the survivors
of the massacre in Gujranwala
574
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,480
was a two-year-old boy named Ramdas.
575
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,080
Ramdas's grandson is,
at time of recording,
576
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,880
prime minister of the United Kingdom
of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
577
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,320
-Yeah.
-[applause]
578
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,360
When…
579
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,680
when I think about
the last century of world history
580
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,720
and what might prove possible
over time and generations,
581
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,000
I think about the school in Gujranwala
582
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,400
rather more than I think
about Winchester College.
583
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,840
A punchline would feel distasteful.
584
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,320
-[laughter]
-Right?
585
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,120
Obviously, I wasn't alive at the time,
but I reckon the way I feel's
586
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,240
basically how a lot of women felt
about Margaret Thatcher in 1979.
587
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,760
You don't need to agree with someone's
politics in order to acknowledge
588
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,040
that someone walking through the door
means something in and of itself,
589
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,480
and that's the only way
you pave the pathway for others to follow.
590
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,120
And you can't deny that it works.
You can't deny that it… Listen.
591
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,360
We've now had enough
white-lady prime ministers
592
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,400
that they're allowed to be instantly shit!
593
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,160
That is a staggering achievement
for equality in this country.
594
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,320
Are you kidding me?
595
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,880
Maggie and Theresa walked
so Liz could fly.
596
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,400
Liz Truss, actually very important from
a representational standpoint as well.
597
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,920
Uh, I mean that entirely sincerely too.
598
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,640
Think about how many prime ministers
there must've been
599
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,240
over however long it's been.
600
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,240
Did you know that Liz Truss is the first
601
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,280
who just went
to a regular comprehensive school?
602
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,720
Isn't that mad, right?
603
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,440
Like, 94% of children
go to a regular comprehensive school.
604
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,280
I went to a regular comprehensive school.
605
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,040
I believe 94% of prime ministers should
go to a regular comprehensive school.
606
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,720
Admittedly, she wasn't
a great advert for us. Right?
607
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,920
"I may not agree with her politics, but…"
608
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,880
In case you're trying to square the circle
609
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,120
of the educational background
and the accent you're currently enjoying…
610
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,560
Uh, well, uh…
611
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,840
What ended up happening there was
612
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,120
I went to my local comp
in Wembley, North West London.
613
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,480
I had a wonderful time there,
614
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,320
but it did have a few police vans outside
to stop us murdering each other.
615
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,360
Very thoughtful of them.
616
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,040
Subsequent to that, I ended up going
to the University of Cambridge,
617
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,760
so I became functionally bilingual
in both posh boy and roadman.
618
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,000
Uh, uh…
619
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,640
A few years ago,
I was doing a TV record in Glasgow,
620
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,760
and afterwards, I was having a cigarette
with my friend the comedian Jamali Maddix.
621
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,480
I was there with Jamali,
smoking, making small talk.
622
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,480
He went, "You went private school, yeah?"
623
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,120
I'm like, "Oh no, I didn't." "What?"
624
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,880
So I talked him through
a few basic facts about my childhood,
625
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,920
and he just looked at me and went,
"Hang on, bruv, are you from ends?"
626
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,640
[posher accent] "Well, Jamali,
one supposes one was."
627
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,440
I'm not gonna do it down.
I grew up in a wonderful place.
628
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,400
I went to a wonderful school.
I hate when people do that down.
629
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,240
I… genuinely, it was a really good school.
630
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,920
If you avoided gang violence,
cousin marriage, it was Ofsted Good.
631
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,280
Like, it was a great environment.
All the families, by and large like mine.
632
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,040
First-, second-generation immigrants.
633
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,720
Parents may not have had a lot to give.
What they had was the most important.
634
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,040
An insistence that education
is the best way onward, upward, outward.
635
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,960
I think if you've got 100 grand,
that's a better thing to give to a child.
636
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,640
And blessed with really great teachers.
637
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,920
I'll tell you about one of my favourites,
Miss Lewis.
638
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,320
Now, Miss Lewis, I think she had
previously taught at a private school.
639
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,440
I don't know, but she definitely knew
the extras they were given
640
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,040
in order to get ahead.
Maybe thought that was unfair, right?
641
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,040
And so she set up, off her own initiative,
like all great teachers do,
642
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,680
off her own bat,
she set up, for a couple of years,
643
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,040
an additional, optional Latin class,
of all things.
644
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,040
And I, as you can probably imagine,
was heavily involved.
645
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,760
This is what I mean about
the transformative power of education.
646
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,400
You could change everything
for young people in an instant.
647
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,160
I still remember, like it was yesterday,
648
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,160
the first time
I walked into that gleaming Portakabin
649
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,120
bestowed on us by New Labour,
650
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,440
and I sat down,
and I opened these textbooks
651
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,640
that contained these things
that I'd never even conceived of before.
652
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,680
I was just there being like,
"Oh my God, it's true!"
653
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,280
"Caecilius est in horto!"
654
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,160
Do you know what I mean, right?
655
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,320
Led to probably
my single favourite experience
656
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,960
of my entire time at high school,
657
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,640
which was one time, at the end of term,
my boys and I were gonna go cinema
658
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,920
'cause you get a half day.
659
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,360
The way that you go to the cinema,
you get the 182 from Brent Town Hall.
660
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,160
So we were walking to the bus stop,
661
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,680
and on the way to the bus stop,
there's this blind alley, right?
662
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,360
And a dozen guys came out
to rush us and jack us and shit,
663
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,880
until one of them just stopped
all of the others by going,
664
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,280
"Guys, Ahir's safe, yeah?
I know him from Latin."
665
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,840
I sincerely believe I am the only man
in the long history of this sceptred isle
666
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,360
who has ever avoided a violent mugging
because of Latin class.
667
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:09,560
Uh… [chuckles]
668
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,400
Nathaniel, gratias tibi.
669
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,960
It's a great environment
to grow up in, you know?
670
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Not much cash but a lot of ambition.
671
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,560
I think that's a good way around
to have it, generally speaking.
672
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,480
And realistic ambition as well.
The families just had realistic ambitions.
673
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,400
The sort of ambition
every parent should be able to rely on.
674
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,840
The idea that if everyone
does their bit, works hard,
675
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,520
the next generation might have it
a bit easier than the previous one did.
676
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,240
That is a reasonable ambition.
Parents should be able to rely
677
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,480
on that coming true for their children.
678
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,920
Right, now this is not
an unreasonable ambition.
679
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,800
I know all about unreasonable ambition.
You don't need to tell me about…
680
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,760
I remember once, when I was at uni,
entirely unironically telling my mate Ali
681
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,840
that by the time I was in my thirties,
682
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,760
I wanted to be GQ magazine's
World's Best Dressed Man.
683
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,800
Right? I am now in my thirties
684
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,600
and will settle for "Dressed Man".
685
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,280
[chuckles] And that's a stretch most days.
686
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,600
Listen, we all know, fundamentally,
that any sort of vision of progress
687
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,880
has to take into account
generational investment.
688
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,040
I think that the part that we've forgotten
689
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,520
is that the flip side of that coin
has always been generational sacrifice.
690
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,840
Now, I might not know much
about generational investment yet,
691
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,480
but I feel like, through example,
I at least know something
692
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,560
about generational sacrifice
693
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,800
because every day after primary school,
694
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,240
I would go to my grandparents' house
in Alperton, North West London,
695
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,760
and I would see generational sacrifice
continuing to write itself
696
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,920
on the faces of Nanaji and Nanima.
697
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,280
Now, quick note on language.
I speak another language.
698
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,360
It's called Gujarati.
"Nanaji" just means your mum's dad.
699
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,920
You have different words
for both sides of the family.
700
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,040
So maternal grandfather, that's nanaji.
701
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,640
As you can imagine,
I write a lot of stuff on my computer.
702
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:58,000
My computer refuses to accept
the existence of the word "nanaji"
703
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,440
and will insist on autocorrecting it
every time to the word "Navajo".
704
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,640
Which has led to three instances
705
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,400
where I, alone at home,
have yelled at a computer screen,
706
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,000
"Wrong sort of Indian!"
707
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,560
Now, Nanaji was
the first member of my family
708
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,760
to arrive in this country
when he was in his twenties in 1964.
709
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,120
He is probably the reason
that I was born here in the first place.
710
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,520
He is the reason for so much.
711
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,200
Even though he died a fair while ago now,
he's probably the largest part
712
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,960
of the reason
why I ended up sounding like this, right?
713
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,320
When he was eventually reunited with
his wife and children in this country,
714
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,440
he said to the children,
including my mother,
715
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,160
"Listen, when you're outside,
716
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:42,200
you're not allowed to speak
to one another in Gujarati any more."
717
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,640
"You live somewhere called England now,
718
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,960
so you need to learn how to speak
like proper little Englishmen and women."
719
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,920
"And then if you learn how to do that,
720
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,400
maybe one day,
they'll learn how to accept you."
721
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,840
And it sounds kind of weird
to our contemporary ears,
722
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,320
but this was a very commonplace thing
in the '60s and '70s.
723
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,560
A sort of, like, vocal version
of dressing for the job you want.
724
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,200
You ever heard that phrase, right?
725
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,200
And this has been entirely useless for me,
but, like, my uncle is a doctor.
726
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:12,920
Can you imagine if your doctor
looked and sounded like me?
727
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,480
You'd be fucking thrilled.
728
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,400
Imagine that,
he's doing the ward rounds, just like,
729
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,200
"Oh, good morning.
How are we feeling today?"
730
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,840
You're thinking, "This motherfucker's
gonna cure me in two hours."
731
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,200
"Make lunch plans!"
732
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,240
Now, Nanaji could never integrate
in that way himself,
733
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,240
so I think that his way of doing it
was that he worked a succession
734
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,520
of almost comically English jobs, right?
735
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,760
So for the most part of his career,
until he retired, he worked at John Lewis.
736
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,120
Worked on the shop floor,
selling curtains, fabrics
737
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,800
'cause it's what he knew
from the textile factories back in India.
738
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,640
That's probably the most English place
anyone could possibly work.
739
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:52,920
You're not gonna get
a more English place to work
740
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,480
than the John Lewis Partnership.
741
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,040
Unless the job you had before that
was conductor on the big, red bus!
742
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,080
"Fair play. That's the most English place
anyone could possibly work."
743
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,520
"You can't hit us with a more English
workplace than the big, red bus."
744
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,280
Unless the first job you had
in this country
745
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,480
was literally at the baked-bean factory!
746
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,240
It's where it all started.
Baked-bean factory in Bradford.
747
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,200
1964, baby.
Came over here. Work on those beans.
748
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,160
Now, uh, crucially,
he did not want to, uh, right?
749
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,760
By that stage,
been married for just under a decade.
750
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,400
Had three children.
751
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,960
Had friends.
Enjoyed his work in the textile factory.
752
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,560
Thought he might be able
to work his way up and everything.
753
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,720
Very little interest
in the United Kingdom.
754
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,240
Hitherto no interest in beans, right?
But, um…
755
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,880
It was my grandmother who pushed this.
756
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,960
Like, Nani, quite understandably,
was like, "Listen, just…"
757
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,080
India at the time
is just poorer and more violent
758
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,960
than anyone with the dumb luck
of having been born in this country
759
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,560
can remotely conceive of.
760
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,280
And so she, quite understandably,
was like, "Listen,
761
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,960
these children aren't gonna have
the life we wanna give them over here,
762
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,800
but they're taking people in England."
763
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,000
"So I need you to go over there.
You just work it out, right?"
764
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,880
"I'll stay here with the children.
You send money back to us."
765
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,160
"When you've saved up enough,
we'll come join you."
766
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:11,360
"All right. Cool. See you later. Bye." Uh…
767
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,280
He just did it,
like, pretty soon thereafter. Just went…
768
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,200
Like, listen, I like to think
769
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,880
that I'm gonna be a pretty, sort of,
770
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:25,960
accepting, thoughtful,
771
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,880
50-50 type of husband, right?
772
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,080
However, if, just under a decade from now,
773
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,720
my wife is to tell me that I must leave
her and our three children
774
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,880
to move to a different continent
775
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,320
with no guarantee
of when I would see them again,
776
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,960
no way of communicating with them,
777
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,080
no guarantee if any of it
was going to work out
778
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,440
and no guarantee
of my own personal safety,
779
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,680
that would not be
the end of the conversation.
780
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,520
Right?
781
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,800
However, of course, for Nanaji, it was.
How could it not be?
782
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,080
That's your dharma.
That's your duty. You have to do it.
783
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,680
It's your duty to your family, right?
So he came over, not entirely on his own.
784
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,080
Came with a couple of other guys
who did the same, left the wives and kids.
785
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,800
But they didn't really see each other
that much for a few years
786
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,920
'cause they ran a system
called the eight-eight-eight, right?
787
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,240
The eight-eight-eight is a system whereby,
as mathematicians in the room can confirm,
788
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,080
if three men each have two jobs,
the shifts of which are eight hours long,
789
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,600
and you time the shift patterns correctly
and work seven days a week,
790
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,920
you only need to rent one bed in one room
791
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,240
because one of you can be asleep
at any given time
792
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,800
while the other two are at work.
793
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,520
One guy finishes his second shift,
comes back, hits you awake,
794
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,560
you go off to your first one,
he falls asleep.
795
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,120
Do that again and again.
Saves two-thirds on the rent.
796
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,520
That's more that you can send
to the wives and kids in India.
797
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,200
And that's the largest expense, isn't it?
798
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,600
What's the second-largest expense?
Probably food.
799
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,080
But food, taken care of.
'Cause at the baked-bean factory,
800
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,240
they give you a tin of beans.
Protein. Very important.
801
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,640
For the second meal of the day,
they had a big sack of rice,
802
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:54,360
and they'd have some boiled rice in a pot.
803
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,640
Apart from Sundays, obviously,
because Sunday is treat day,
804
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,120
so the boiled rice
contained an onion, right?
805
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,720
Some of you are probably thinking,
"Surely, even in 1964, onions are cheap."
806
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,640
"Anyone could have onions
whenever they wanted."
807
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:11,880
From what you have heard so far
about my nanima,
808
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,200
do you believe she is the sort of woman
who would have tolerated
809
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,200
the profligacy
of a seven-a-week onion habit?
810
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,280
It's what you needed to do.
811
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,160
It's what they needed you to do,
so it's what you did.
812
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:30,080
Eight-eight-eight, 24-7, 365.
813
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,000
Five.
814
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,120
Five years. He didn't see
his wife or children for five years.
815
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,080
Imagine that.
816
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,560
It's not like, "At least I've got
a good data plan" or something like that.
817
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,680
Forget about calling.
That was never gonna happen.
818
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,600
Letters? Couple of letters a year.
819
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,520
Each time you write one,
you feel a bit closer.
820
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,200
Every time you buy a stamp,
you're driving them further away.
821
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,320
To the extent
that my mum's first memory in this country
822
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,280
is Heathrow Airport, 1969.
823
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,840
Her, her brother and sister
all sort of hid behind their mum
824
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,680
because they were just like,
"Who's this man?" Right?
825
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,960
"Who's this big man?" Right?
826
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,040
Just like, "Why's he smiling at me?"
827
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,040
"Why's he got these tears in his eyes?"
828
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:15,160
"I guess he looks like that photograph
that Mummy cries over sometimes
829
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,920
if anyone ever hums that song, you know?"
830
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,040
I think about that a lot too, right?
Imagine that.
831
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,400
Trying to raise three children on your own
for five years,
832
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,120
occasionally just crying
over a single photograph
833
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,760
and a handful of letters.
834
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,520
Should've cried over a lime.
She'd have made some money.
835
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,400
Family reunited in 1969,
836
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,880
the year after
a very prominent Conservative politician
837
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,800
got on a soapbox in Birmingham and said,
838
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,200
"We must be mad, literally mad,
839
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,000
to be permitting
the annual inflow of dependents,
840
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,520
who are, for the most part,
the material of the future growth
841
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,920
of the immigrant-descended population."
842
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,520
"It is like watching a nation
843
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,760
busily engaged in heaping up
its own funeral pyre."
844
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,720
Now, Mr Powell was correct
about one thing
845
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,600
in that that little girl
hidden behind the sari
846
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,880
did become part of the material
847
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,200
of the future growth
of the immigrant-descended population.
848
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,120
Because that's quite a mouthful,
my sister and I tend to go with "Mum".
849
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,440
Imagine that.
850
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,600
Bringing your wife and kids into that
the year after Rivers of Blood,
851
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,760
when you've been here on your own
since '64,
852
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,440
the same year as the Smethwick campaign.
853
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,440
Right? It's fucking grim.
854
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,280
Right, just like the violence,
the aggression, that goes without saying.
855
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,560
It's also…
856
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,560
It's always the more insidious stuff
that cuts the deepest, yeah?
857
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,680
The thing, I suppose, like, nowadays,
we acknowledge as having broken him
858
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,920
was that he was eventually, uh,
859
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,840
accused of quite serious theft
from the workplace, uh, which was, like…
860
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,680
Suspended and investigated for ages.
861
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,760
Entirely cleared.
He'd obviously not done it.
862
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,240
But it didn't take a genius to work out
eventually when you hear these stories,
863
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,280
that it all starts with a couple of guys
at the place being like,
864
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,280
"Who do you reckon
they're gonna believe, eh?"
865
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,640
Imagine what that does to you.
Like, your dignity and stuff.
866
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:08,480
You have to do it again though. Tomorrow.
867
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,600
You have to get up,
brave face, for the kids.
868
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,440
For the kids.
It's not like the kids have it any easier.
869
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,400
There has been so much more progress
in the last 20 years in this country
870
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,360
than there was in the 40 that preceded it,
871
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,320
and I feel very comfortable saying that
872
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,400
because I went to exactly the same
high school as my mum and my uncle.
873
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,640
My abiding memory of that school
is a funny story about the time
874
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,160
when I didn't get mugged
'cause of Latin. Ha-ha-ha.
875
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,080
My uncle's abiding memory of that school
876
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,880
is the people who would flick
lit cigarettes at him every day
877
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,520
when he walked to and from it.
878
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,560
My mum's abiding memory of that school
sticks with her to this day
879
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,680
because every time
she wants to eat something,
880
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,720
she has to change her clothes entirely,
881
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,280
cook, eat,
change her clothes entirely again.
882
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,000
No matter how many times I tell her
883
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,360
that the smell of spices hitting hot oil
is the most beautiful smell in the world,
884
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,120
all she hears is a decade of children
telling her how much she stank.
885
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,200
And he died in 2002,
886
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,800
so he died only remembering the shit bit,
887
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,000
and he wasn't old,
so if he'd just hung on,
888
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,320
he would have seen how quickly
it was going to get so different.
889
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,960
You could have at least seen
a bit of that before you left.
890
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,480
Right, in 2016,
I'm on a train, reading a newspaper.
891
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,560
Sorry, mate. A newspaper. Right, um…
892
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,960
Imagine, like, a solid tweet.
893
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,240
Right, and… and…
894
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,320
On a train, reading a newspaper,
895
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,120
and it's the day before
the mayoral election in London,
896
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,440
and there's this big feature article,
897
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,080
uh, where basically Sadiq Uncle
is walking around the city,
898
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,480
meeting the various voters
and talking to them.
899
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,120
In the feature, there's this one guy.
900
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,760
I've forgotten his name.
It was a West African name, I think.
901
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,760
He's there with his five-year-old son,
902
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,440
and he says to him, "Son,
I want you to shake this man's hand."
903
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,840
"This is Mr Khan."
904
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,680
"Mr Khan is going to be
the next mayor of London."
905
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,680
And in that moment of reading that, like,
906
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,920
my hands stopped working,
907
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,800
and the paper fell from my hands,
and the tears fell from my eyes
908
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,520
as I thought about the fact that he died
in a society where the sentence,
909
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,400
"This is Mr Khan. Mr Khan is going to be
the next mayor of London,"
910
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,840
was completely impossible, right?
911
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,040
And yet 14 years later,
it had become totally inevitable.
912
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,120
So what would he have made of witnessing
913
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,800
the change in society necessary
to make that happen
914
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,840
and landing on that sentence
in that paper?
915
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,080
What would he have made
of reading a sentence like that?
916
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,160
What would he have made
of reading the words,
917
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,960
"This is Mr Khan. Mr Khan is going to be
the next mayor of London"?
918
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,360
Probably not much.
I don't think he really liked Muslims.
919
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:35,840
"I may not agree with his politics, but…"
920
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,400
And that's how I felt
Diwali before last, you know?
921
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,440
Lit my divo, I went outside.
922
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,800
I went back into the kitchen,
and I poured a little glass of whisky,
923
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,080
and I said,
"You finding today interesting, eh?"
924
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,280
It's, like,
obviously, problems still exist.
925
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,280
None of this is to negate
any of the problems
926
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,400
that we're all too aware of, right?
927
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,200
But at the same time,
928
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,680
pretending that the sort of stuff
that I have and have had to contend with
929
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,320
is in any way comparable to the sort
of things that they had to deal with
930
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,960
feels genuinely offensive to me.
931
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,360
'Cause this was the generation
that never talked about it
932
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,720
and so never had it acknowledged,
and it's worth acknowledging.
933
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,080
'Cause they're the ones
who changed so much
934
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,640
to make so much of what happens
now possible, right? I'm not an idiot.
935
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:26,280
I wander around doing this for a living,
all around the country.
936
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,680
Occasionally, people shout
ignorant shit at me in the street.
937
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,640
Like, I'm not oblivious to that.
And listen, my wife is a white Irish lady.
938
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,400
Sometimes the two of us are going
about our business, out and about,
939
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,840
and people see us together.
940
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,280
They don't like that too much.
They make their opinions known.
941
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,440
They're all so fuckin' old, right?
942
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,120
So old. Like, proper fossils, and…
943
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,480
When I was a teenager, it would really…
Like, I'd be ready to fight,
944
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,440
and now a part of my brain
just can't help but think,
945
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,680
"F… I think maybe you lost," right?
946
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,120
No, not… Lost isn't correct
947
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,040
'cause it's not like
society's a football match
948
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,680
where someone blows the whistle
and we decide what the result's been.
949
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,040
But at the very least, I can acknowledge
that I'm not the one who scored the goals.
950
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,400
I'm a sub.
They're the ones who scored the goals.
951
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,800
They scored the goals
and ran straight back to the net
952
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,360
and pulled it back to the halfway line
953
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,440
'cause they knew that no matter how hard
they were trying every single day,
954
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,800
they were still, 1969, two down, right?
955
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,800
And is the point of my generation
one more not only of maintenance
956
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,440
but also trying not to lose grip
957
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,640
on this extraordinarily fragile thing
that exists around us?
958
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,960
It's worth acknowledging
how fragile this thing is, right,
959
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,840
because you see people, young people,
960
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,400
trying, once again, to sow,
961
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,600
sort of, any sorts of division
in this society we're trying to build.
962
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,000
And you just think,
"What the fuck are you doing?"
963
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,040
"What are you doing?"
964
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,880
Surely, the point…
If the point is anything,
965
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,280
the point is to create a society
in which, one day,
966
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,000
everyone's children
get to go without saying.
967
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,960
I think that you have to be
staggeringly naive
968
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,640
to believe that that's possible,
and I refuse to be anything else.
969
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,840
It's so easy to despair, right?
970
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,920
Despair is the easiest position to have.
It's definitely my default.
971
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,600
It just turns out that despair
is a deeply unproductive emotion.
972
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,600
Right? Try something else. Yeah?
973
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,200
My wife's way better than me at this.
974
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,560
Like, she's just, generally speaking,
quite stable and well adjusted.
975
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,200
I used to think that she was
some sort of superhero or something.
976
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,640
Turned out it's because she has absolutely
no social-media presence whatsoever.
977
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,080
Uses the internet sparingly
if necessary for work.
978
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,080
If we were all slightly more like her,
we'd all be slightly less fucking insane.
979
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,880
By the way, no one's changed their names.
There's no Mrs Shah to this story.
980
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,120
Fortunately for all of us,
in Irish, her name means
981
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,640
"Prostitute Queen".
982
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,080
Didn't even take five weeks, not really.
983
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,880
There was a point, one week,
984
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,320
stood opposite her in the kitchen,
985
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,320
and just all of a sudden,
it's like the trailers stopped.
986
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,880
Like all life up to that point
had revealed itself to be the trailers,
987
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,760
and all of a sudden, every atom
of the world outside of the two of us
988
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,320
was whispering in unison,
989
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,480
"Shh-shh-shh-shh-shh-shh-shh. Shh."
[softly] "The picture's about to start."
990
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,760
And now I get to see how it goes.
991
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,240
That's it.
992
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,040
I mean, the ending's gonna suck.
993
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,040
Right. I'm not gonna know
too much about it though.
994
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,160
100% gonna die first. Get in!
995
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,560
Love it. Are you kidding me?
Listen. It's like… She's really like,
996
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,760
"Oh no, we shouldn't
have processed food in the house."
997
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,200
And all I want to do in my life
is fuck a Chicago Town pizza.
998
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,560
While chain-smoking
and doing lines of salt.
999
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,600
It's nice to feel like you've had
one of your last beginnings. Yeah?
1000
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,800
Frees you up to think
about where things end up.
1001
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,520
It's the interesting thing
with love, right?
1002
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,200
Love, the way that it begins, begins
in as many ways as there are people.
1003
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:29,600
If we were ever to have a conversation,
and you said to me,
1004
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,240
"Ahir, can I just check,
were you in love on your wedding day?"
1005
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,480
Wouldn't that be a ridiculous question?
You'd never ask.
1006
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,760
'Cause the answer's obviously yes, right?
1007
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,520
What I find fascinating is that,
if you were ever to meet my grandmother,
1008
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,320
and you were to say, "Ramila, can I check,
on your wedding day, were you in love?"
1009
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,320
It would be an equally ridiculous question
'cause the answer would obviously be no.
1010
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,160
Of course she wasn't. Right?
1011
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:55,040
There she was, little more than a girl,
sat opposite little more than a boy.
1012
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,320
Total strangers, functionally.
1013
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,080
Of course she didn't love that boy. Right?
1014
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,200
And yet it began. It began, right?
1015
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:05,800
Wild.
1016
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,280
Did she love the boy she was sat opposite
on her wedding day?
1017
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,120
Of course she didn't, right?
1018
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,240
Did she love the young man
just under a decade later,
1019
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,600
who was willing to move continents
because he knew
1020
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,160
that's what the people who relied on him
needed from him in that moment?
1021
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:23,080
Of course she loved that man.
1022
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,480
She loved that man for the next five years
1023
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,760
as she held up her end
looking after three children,
1024
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,960
while occasionally taking a moment to cry
1025
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,960
over a photograph
and a handful of letters.
1026
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,680
Of course she loved that man.
1027
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,680
She loved that man
in Heathrow Airport, 1969,
1028
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,880
the photograph made flesh once more
1029
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,040
as those three children
hid behind her sari
1030
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,480
because they barely recognised the man
who had done so much for them.
1031
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,120
Of course she loved that man.
1032
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,560
She loved that man as she took his hand
and walked forward together into a society
1033
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,000
infinitely more hostile than the one
that has been bequeathed to me
1034
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,320
as a direct result of their actions.
1035
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,640
She loved that man
as they danced together,
1036
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:02,520
shielding one another from as many
slings and arrows as humanly possible.
1037
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,600
For the next decades until his end,
she loved that man.
1038
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,920
She loved that man in 2002
and well past that,
1039
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,080
as you will know if you go
to a living room
1040
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,680
in Alperton, North West London,
1041
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,560
and see a photograph on the wall
with a fresh garland of flowers
1042
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,960
that you pray to when you visit.
Of course she loves that man.
1043
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,000
That's where it ends up.
1044
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,960
Nanaji died in 2002,
1045
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,840
a week after his birthday.
1046
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,760
He'd just turned 69. Oi!
1047
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:43,800
[chuckles softly]
1048
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,560
He'd brought a slightly hastened end
onto himself, really, uh…
1049
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,240
Basically, when he retired,
1050
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,960
he wanted to spend
as much time in India as humanly possible,
1051
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,200
but his lungs had been fucked
since his twenties
1052
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,680
'cause of the fibres in the air
in the textile mills.
1053
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,840
The place in India
my family are historically from,
1054
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,920
a city called Ahmedabad,
it's incredibly polluted.
1055
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,360
Makes Central London
look like the fucking Peak District.
1056
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,840
And so he would go over there
and come back weaker, diminished.
1057
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,040
And he came back,
and after the second trip,
1058
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,520
his grown-up children had to
get him sat down in his own living room,
1059
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,760
and my mum had to say to her own dad,
1060
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,120
"You are killing yourself." Right?
1061
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,160
"That's what's happening here.
That's what's… It's perfectly clear."
1062
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:24,560
"You go there. You come back.
You're weaker. You're smaller."
1063
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:25,960
"You're more diminished."
1064
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,640
"And can you not see
what is happening to you?"
1065
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:31,160
"It's not even about seeing.
Akshay is a doctor."
1066
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:34,080
"He can hear what is happening
based on your breath and diagnose you."
1067
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,560
"Do you not feel what is happening?"
1068
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,160
"So here's the thing. You've had your fun.
You've had two trips."
1069
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:39,920
"But now you stay over here, right?"
1070
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,480
"'Cause we love you very much,
so we wanna keep you around."
1071
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,760
"That's how we're all
gonna look after one another."
1072
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,400
"So you've had your fun,
but you're not allowed to go any more."
1073
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,080
"Here you are. Good. Yes."
1074
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,320
And he had to look at three adult children
1075
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,320
and say, "No."
1076
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,600
"I never wanted any of this.
Right, I never wanted any…"
1077
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,240
"Like, my entire life, it turns out,
has just been this means to an end,
1078
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,320
and that's fine.
It's fine because you are the end."
1079
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,280
"So if I had to do it again, I would,
1080
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,760
with a snap of the fingers and a smile
on my face, I would do it again."
1081
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,160
"But can you not understand
that I just need this at my end?"
1082
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:24,080
"I can feel it far more
than you can see it, or he can hear it."
1083
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,840
"Do you not understand I don't care?"
1084
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,080
"I don't care
because when I go over there,
1085
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,080
no one looks at me like I'm any different
1086
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,000
or yells at me
or spits at me like I'm any different
1087
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,840
because I'm not any different."
1088
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,280
"When I go over there, I am a normal guy."
1089
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,760
"I have been a normal guy
since the day I was born."
1090
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,120
"I just haven't felt like it in so long."
1091
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,320
"You don't understand
that when I'm over there,
1092
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,080
I get to go without saying,
1093
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,520
and I haven't gone without saying
since nineteen sixty-fucking-four."
1094
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,560
He used to run off the plane
as quickly as possible,
1095
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,240
sprint across the tarmac
as quick as fucked lungs would carry him,
1096
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,440
and go to the first part of the airport
that wasn't paved over,
1097
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:05,840
fall to his knees and just start digging
fistfuls of earth with his bare hands.
1098
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,880
He would dig up the earth,
and he would put it in his mouth.
1099
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,760
Can you imagine? Dig the earth and put…
'Cause you miss a land so much
1100
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,000
that you need to dig it
and put it in your mouth.
1101
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,480
But you had to leave, you had to leave
because that's what they needed,
1102
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,720
and if they needed it,
it's what you had to do.
1103
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,480
He would dig the earth
and put it in his mouth.
1104
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:24,760
It can't have helped.
1105
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,360
[laughter]
1106
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,120
A third and final trip
1107
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,920
to the only place
on the face of this earth
1108
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,560
that would do a normal guy
the basic decency
1109
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,440
of getting to go without saying.
1110
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:46,800
And it killed him.
1111
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,280
That's how much
every human being wants that.
1112
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,920
You need a pretty damn good reason
not to give it to them.
1113
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,960
When he did die,
he died in this country, in a hospital.
1114
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,480
D'you remember? "Hospital".
1115
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,480
And my mother was next to him, sat down.
1116
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,520
He was in a bed, not speaking any more.
1117
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,280
It was just the beeps, you know?
Most of us have heard the beeps.
1118
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,840
And a nurse came by, saw my mum, and said,
1119
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,840
"Oh, you must be Mr Vaishnaw's daughter."
She said, "Yes, I am."
1120
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,440
And the nurse said, "Well, listen,
1121
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,440
I'm new to the ward,
so I didn't get a chance to speak to him,
1122
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,040
but I've spoken
to some of the other nurses who did,
1123
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,040
and they said he was a good man."
1124
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,840
And my mother squeezed the hand
1125
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:54,240
of a man she had barely recognised
in Heathrow Airport in 1969
1126
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,080
and said, "He was the best of men."
1127
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,360
And the line went flat.
1128
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:06,160
And if Nanaji were capable of hearing
in that moment,
1129
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:09,360
then the very last thing
he heard on this earth
1130
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,000
was the little girl it had all been for
1131
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,600
saying that he was the best of men.
1132
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,080
And, like, objectively, he wasn't.
1133
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,200
[laughter]
1134
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,880
Do you know what I mean?
Not a baddie, but just, you know,
1135
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,200
a normal, complex, flawed human being
like absolutely everyone in this room.
1136
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,720
And probably we could give one another
a bit more of a break
1137
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,840
than we currently have
the appetite for, I suppose. Yeah?
1138
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,160
But for someone, for someone,
1139
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,880
which it turns out
is the only way that you can be,
1140
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,120
of course he was.
He was the best of people for someone.
1141
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,280
He did what they needed from him
when they needed it from him.
1142
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,720
He did the best that he could
for the people he loved.
1143
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,880
If you can do that, then you can be
the best of people for someone.
1144
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,960
If you can do the best you can for
the people you love and who rely on you,
1145
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,760
then you damn well
get to go without saying, in my book.
1146
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,720
It is not that I have currently
had some sort of grand revelation
1147
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,640
that sacrifice is somehow more impressive
or important than achievement.
1148
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,920
The truth is what the truth always was
in the first place,
1149
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,400
which is that the sacrifice
is the achievement,
1150
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,280
and with that in mind,
I know full well that till my end,
1151
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,040
Krishnadas Vaishnaw will remain
the most impressive man I will ever meet.
1152
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,800
I have wanted to do this
1153
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,040
since January 1998,
1154
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,280
sat on the floor
of my grandparents' living room
1155
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,640
in Alperton, North West London,
1156
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:48,000
listening to Nanaji and Nanima laugh
at episode one of Goodness Gracious Me.
1157
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,000
And for just over a decade,
1158
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,320
I have had the absurd privilege
of calling it my career.
1159
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,560
But it's not the job.
1160
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:00,600
Not any more.
1161
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,280
And it never will be again, I hope.
1162
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,680
The job, as I understand it,
1163
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,040
is what Nanaji understood the job to be.
1164
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,320
He was a good husband
1165
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,320
and a good father
1166
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,240
for the people who needed him to be
1167
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,240
when they needed him to be.
1168
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,240
He was the best of men.
1169
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,720
And I am now, in front of you,
1170
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,560
the World's Best Dressed Man.
1171
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,640
[laughter and applause]
1172
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,240
Because I get to stand in front of you
and tell his story
1173
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,560
while wearing his waistcoat.
1174
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,520
Because I am finally
dressed for the job I want.
1175
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,880
And it will be
the hardest job of a lifetime.
1176
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,320
[in Gujarati] But with you, Nanaji,
1177
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,360
I'll be able to do it, I hope.
1178
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,680
Sorry. "Hope…"
1179
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,760
[laughter]
1180
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,840
[cheering and applause]
1181
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:20,640
Thank you very much.
1182
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,400
[Qawwali music playing]
1183
01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:59,760
[music ends]
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