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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,440 [man] In January 1998, 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,680 a seven-year-old boy was sat on the floor of his grandparents' living room 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,640 in Alperton, North West London. 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,640 Three generations gathered round the telly 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,600 to watch episode one of this new show on the BBC. 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,960 Now, the boy's grandparents had had tough lives, right? 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,880 The sort of lives that clad you in an armour, 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,600 and it's the sort of armour from which laughter struggles to escape. 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,080 But for the next half hour, the boy and his family 12 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:40,440 watched episode one of Goodness Gracious Me, 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,040 and he listened as his grandparents fucking pissed themselves laughing 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,520 at themselves and with themselves for the first time he could remember. 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,920 And watching Sanjeev Bhaskar, Meera Syal, 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,280 Nina Wadia and Kulvinder Ghir on television, 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:55,640 the boy thought, 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,080 "Wait, we can do that?! I didn't know we could do that." 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,840 "But if we get to do that, then I wanna do that," 20 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,240 because hearing my grandparents make that sound 21 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:07,320 is the best sound I've ever heard in my entire life. 22 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,400 Over 25 years later, would you please welcome to the stage 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:11,880 Mr Ahir Shah. 24 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,480 Hello! Hello! 25 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,680 Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. 26 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,080 -Good evening, London. Are we well? -[cheering and applause] 27 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,480 Fantastic, fantastic. Lovely to have you here. 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,280 Lovely to have you in such fine voice. Hello! 29 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,320 Uh, my name is Ahir Shah. That is my name, by the way, right? 30 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,040 I didn't used to need to clarify this, 31 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,600 until a few years ago, I was doing this gig in Switzerland… 32 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,960 I was doing a gig in Switzerland, and the theme of this gig 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,680 was that every comedian was from a different country, right? 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,440 I was the British entrant. Very modern. 35 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,080 -Right? And… -[laughter] 36 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,000 There was one comedian I was particularly excited to meet 37 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,240 'cause this guy's name was Ali Al Sayed. 38 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,120 Now, Ali is a stand-up comedian 39 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,360 from the United Arab Emirates, of all places, right? 40 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,800 I'd never met anyone from the United Arab Emirates, 41 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,360 let alone a comedian from the United Arab Emirates. 42 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,880 To be perfectly honest, I didn't think they had comedians 43 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,440 in the United Arab Emirates. 44 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,840 I assumed he'd just be walking onstage being like, 45 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,800 "What's the deal with unspeakable oil wealth?" 46 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,120 -[laughter] -He's a very nice man, a very funny man. 47 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,160 After the show, all the comedians, we're all backstage hanging out. 48 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,400 We're all having a laugh, having a drink. Not Ali, obviously. Right, and… 49 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,040 We get to talking, and he says to me, "Like, uh, listen, bro." 50 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,040 "We're friends now. I can ask you a question." 51 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,800 "You're not gonna get offended." I'm like, "Listen, brother." 52 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,080 "You're from Dubai. I'm of South Asian origin." 53 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,040 "As long as the question you have for me is not, 54 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,520 'Do you want a job on a construction site?'" 55 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,280 [laughter] 56 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,440 Industrialised slavery. 57 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,240 "You can ask me whatever the hell you like." 58 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,400 He's like, "Nothing like that. I was just wondering." 59 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,640 "When did you decide to start using 60 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,240 the hilarious comedy stage name Ahir Shah?" 61 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:49,840 Right? I was like, 62 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:51,400 "To be honest, I don't remember, 63 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,120 but it was probably 28th December 1990 when I plopped out of Mrs Shah, 64 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,280 and she and Mr Shah decided to call their newborn bundle of joy Ahir." 65 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,560 "I think that's about when I started going by Ahir Shah." 66 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:01,960 He's like, "Right, right, okay." 67 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,240 "One thing you should know, in case you're ever in my neck of the woods, 68 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,480 is that in Arabic, your name means 69 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,400 Prostitute King!" 70 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,440 He wasn't even fucking with me. Ahir Shah is "prostitute king" in Arabic. 71 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,360 There are several reasons I didn't think my career would go stratospheric in Saudi. 72 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,120 Humble enough to know that I don't have the best bone-saw material on the circuit. 73 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,760 That's Romesh, and fair enough. Right, but, uh… 74 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,160 I put this to the back of my mind for several years, as you would, 75 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,960 until, uh, November 2022. 76 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,720 I was in Egypt doing some work around the COP climate conference. 77 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,160 They speak Arabic in Egypt, 78 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,560 and I don't know if anyone else in the room 79 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,080 has ever walked into a hotel and attempted to check in 80 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,600 by announcing themselves to everyone working there 81 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,760 as "Monarch of all Pimps"? 82 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,440 Really changes the vibe in a lobby, in my experience. 83 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,160 They think you're selling something very different to what you are. 84 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,200 Anyway, that's me, then. Ahir Shah. 85 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,920 Prostitute King to my friends. Mr Shah to you, and, uh… 86 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,600 It's been a while since I've done a big show like this. 87 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,880 A lot's changed in the world, in my life. A lot's changed in my life. 88 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,720 I'm now very much in my thirties now. That's exciting. 89 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,720 Shit started falling apart way younger than I was led to believe, by the way. 90 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,680 I thought I had another good decade left in me. 91 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,760 As it stands, everything's already just crumbling. 92 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:21,760 My knees are already fucked. Absolutely no idea what's going on there. 93 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:24,840 I'm trying desperately to get a referral from my GP, right… 94 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:30,080 Sorry, for younger people… Right, um, a GP… Right… 95 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,400 So a GP was a service where, like… 96 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,440 -Young fellow. How old are you, mate? -Twenty-two. 97 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,760 Twenty-two. So you might remember but in the same way you remember iPods. 98 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:44,080 You never had one, but you're vaguely aware they existed. 99 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,480 Okay, so basically, like, a GP was this, like… 100 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,440 Right, imagine you're a bit poorly. Not super poorly but a bit poorly. 101 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,760 What would happen was there was this number you called, 102 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:56,160 and someone answered, right, and, uh… 103 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,840 Not even necessarily at eight in the morning. 104 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,920 Any time during business hours. Very forthcoming. 105 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,160 Uh, so you'd call them, and you'd be like, "Oh, I'm a bit poorly," 106 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,400 and they'd be like, "Ah, cool. Come see us, soon." 107 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,600 Right? 108 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,280 And so a couple of days, days, a couple of days later, 109 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,720 what would happen was you went over to this… Right. 110 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:17,040 It looked like a semi-detached house. It wasn't. 111 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,520 That was the first trick they played. It's like a sphinx's riddle. 112 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,040 Past that, you were golden. 113 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,200 You'd arrive, like, 10, 15 minutes early. You're a conscientious person. 114 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:28,680 And you'd sit in a sort of, uh, waiting room, 115 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,240 and after about 10, 15 minutes, 116 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,960 someone would call your name, and you'd go to a separate, smaller room, 117 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,360 and there would just be one guy in there, and he would be like… 118 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,600 I mean, he would, right? 119 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,960 'Cause we've quite a reassuring manner in a lanyard. 120 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,080 Right? And you'd tell this person what sort of poorly that you were, 121 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,520 and this was a very well-educated person, so you could just be fixed then and there, 122 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,680 but occasionally, it'd be a slightly more complex health need, 123 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,120 and you'd get a referral to a hospital, right? 124 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,040 Sorry. Right. A hospital. Now… 125 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:09,480 Have you ever wondered where the queue of ambulances ends? 126 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,440 Right? That is a building known as a "hospital". 127 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,240 Funny word, isn't it? Interesting thing. 128 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,240 You were born in one. You'll die in one. Between then, you're fucked. Sorry. 129 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,160 Right, uh, basically that… 130 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,080 I'm obviously being slightly disingenuous. There are quite a lot of them. 131 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,720 Generally speaking, they were all either built or done up 132 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,480 when the prime minister's name was either Attlee, Wilson, or Blair. 133 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,240 Not sure why. Not sure why! It's just a coincidence, isn't it? 134 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,120 What possible intellectual merit could there be 135 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,720 in examining why that might have ended up being the case of all things? 136 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,320 Fourteen fucking years! 137 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,680 Fourteen wasted fucking years! 138 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,840 Like, not entirely wasted, obviously. 139 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,680 There have been some genuine achievements of Conservative government. 140 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,400 I mean that entirely sincerely, by the way. 141 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,680 My favourite of which is, like… Basically, it's funny. 142 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,960 If you ignore all of the noise 143 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,640 and just look at the actual underlying data, 144 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,080 over the last 14 years, 145 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,360 the Tories so successfully decarbonised the British economy and energy mix, 146 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,440 including all imported emissions, 147 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,600 that if the countries responsible for the lion's share of emissions 148 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,000 had been anything like as impressive as we've been over the last 14 years, 149 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,480 global warming basically wouldn't be a thing. 150 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,640 The Tories did that. They did it on purpose. 151 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,480 It is spectacularly impressive, 152 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,080 and they can't admit it 'cause they think it sounds gay. 153 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,360 Other than that, it's slim pickings out there. Really is. 154 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,080 Genuinely. It's worse than it's been my entire adult life, for sure. 155 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,880 Listen, the vibes are awful out there. 156 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,680 We're genuinely skint, as a collective, in a way that we weren't in 2010 157 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,000 'cause, basically, in 2010, the Conservatives were elected 158 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,080 by telling a sequence of lies about the British economy and society. 159 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,040 that they then spent the next 14 years ensuring were true. 160 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,960 Right, and… Is it… 161 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,040 We need an election, yeah. We need an election. 162 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,480 At this stage, I would settle for a total overthrow of the current system 163 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,200 and the installation of one-man dictatorial rule, 164 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,400 provided that the man in question 165 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,880 was Martin Lewis, the Money Saving Expert, right? 166 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,120 -[whooping and applause] -I love that guy! 167 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,800 I love Martin Lewis, the Money Saving Expert, so goddamn much. 168 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,880 -Do you sign up to his email? -Oh yeah. 169 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,040 You do? You're a good citizen. Well done, sir. 170 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,600 If you do not sign up for it, do your bit for your country. 171 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,360 That man is the only thing standing between us and the fucking brink. 172 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,160 Right. I love Martin Lewis, the Money Saving Expert, so goddamn… 173 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,040 So, for the uninitiated, Martin Lewis, he's a money-saving expert, 174 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,160 and he runs this website called MoneySavingExpert.com, 175 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,080 and you get a weekly email, 176 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,880 and it's about money saving and the expertise therein, right? 177 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,600 And, um, basically, Martin Lewis, the Money Saving Expert, 178 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:36,840 he set up his business for £80, right? 179 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,960 Eight-zero. That's all it cost. 180 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,640 He is now worth 100 million, right? Isn't that amazing? 181 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,040 He gives a lot away to things like Citizen's Advice 182 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,400 'cause he gives a shit unlike the people in charge. 183 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,400 I love that for Martin Lewis. I love that Martin Lewis is rich. 184 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,240 Right? Here's the thing, right? 185 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,120 The reason I love it is that Martin Lewis 186 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,720 is basically the only person I can think of 187 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,640 who's got properly rich from helping. 188 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:01,760 Do you know what I mean? 189 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,680 Take a second to dwell on how rare that is, broadly speaking. 190 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,680 'Cause there's no money in helping, is there? We all know that. 191 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,960 There's money in hindering, for sure. Right? 192 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,920 There's no money in helping. Right? 193 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,520 When's the last time any of you were walking down the street 194 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,960 and went, "Oh my god, a Lamborghini! Who does that belong to?" 195 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,480 And someone's like, "The lollipop lady." Right? It doesn't happen. 196 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:25,120 'Cause there's no money in helping unless you're Martin Lewis. 197 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,080 Because that man is rich as balls, 198 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,960 and the way he got there was by getting all of us together 199 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,000 and just being like, "Pizza Express. 2 for 1 on Wednesday." 200 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,240 "Dough balls are on me. Don't worry about it." 201 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,400 It's gonna take more than Martin Lewis to save us now, the state that we're in. 202 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:44,800 It's really bad out there. 203 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,680 And it's weird for me because at the same time 204 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,240 as the country I love is so visibly on its knees, 205 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,120 I am personally happier than I have ever been in my entire life. 206 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,960 And the two things are entirely unconnected, but still, 207 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,120 feeling personally happy when your country is suffering 208 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,880 feels actively distasteful. Do you know what I mean? 209 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,160 I've not done it on purpose, 210 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,000 but it's like having Chumbawamba stuck in your head at a funeral. 211 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,520 The reason, ladies and gentlemen, that I am happier than I have ever been 212 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,640 is that in October of last year, I got married. 213 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:17,840 Yeah. 214 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,200 Honestly, she's the single best thing ever to happen to me. 215 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,280 I love her with all my heart. She's a civil servant. 216 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,520 I'm in it for the pension. 217 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,720 You have to understand I'm a self-employed man. 218 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,600 Before I met her, my retirement plan was just to not live that long. 219 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,720 Whereas now, my entire financial security and old age is wholly dependent 220 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,080 on not upsetting one woman till the day I die. Right? 221 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,120 That'll be a new personal best, mate. 222 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,600 In this economy, I'll try anything, right? 223 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:49,120 I'd always known that I wanted to get married eventually. 224 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,280 I guess there was a certain degree of cultural expectation as well. 225 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,720 I don't know what to tell you. 226 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,080 In Asian families, you get married, you stay married. It's just what happens. 227 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,120 Some of you may know this from your own families, maybe friends' families. 228 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,760 You might not be aware of the sheer extent to which this is the case, 229 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,160 so I'll give you the best example I have. 230 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,080 I started doing stand-up comedy when I was a teenager, right? 231 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,640 When I was about 17 years old, 232 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,000 I was given the opportunity to do five minutes 233 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,880 at the Hackney Empire theatre in East London. 234 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,680 That's a very big theatre. 1500 people. Some of you may well have been. 235 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,120 It's the coolest thing that had ever happened to me. 236 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,560 I was on in the first section, 237 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,200 so I invited my mum, my dad and my sister to come watch, 238 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,560 and they saved me a seat so I could watch in the second section. 239 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,880 And the reason I was invited in the first place 240 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,920 is that the Hackney Empire were putting on an evening of British Asian stand-up, 241 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,440 and I, as the new kid on the block, 242 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,320 they were like, "Let's give little Ahir a go." That's nice, isn't it? 243 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,040 And so the whole audience, sold-out show, 1500 people, all British Asian. 244 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,120 All of the performers, British Asian, apart from… right… 245 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,800 about two hours before the show started, one of the acts suddenly had to drop out. 246 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:52,960 Now, this is the noughties. 247 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,040 It's not like nowadays where everyone's got email on their phones. 248 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,160 They had to ring around, try and find a replacement. 249 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,440 A replacement was found in the form of my friend 250 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,640 the comedian Joe Bor. Right? 251 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,440 Now, Joe is a very nice man. He's a very funny man. 252 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,040 What Joe is not is a British Asian man. Right? 253 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,720 What Joe is is a Jewish man. 254 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,800 Clearly, with two hours on the clock, one of the organisers was like, "Fuck! I…" 255 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,120 [muttering] 256 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,880 "I think Jews are basically Asian. I…" 257 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,160 Listen, I'm not saying there aren't similarities between the communities. 258 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,320 My best mate's Jewish. We've been mates since we were 14 years old, 259 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,400 and it's 'cause the first time we met, he told me about his mum, 260 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,560 and everything that his mum did was either shit that my mum did 261 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,440 or hadn't thought of yet. 262 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,200 There's one crucial difference between the communities, 263 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,800 as my friend the comedian Joe Bor found out to his dismay that evening. 264 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,800 Because my friend the comedian Joe Bor 265 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,400 walked onstage in front of 1500 brown faces 266 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,480 and opened with the line, "My parents are divorced." 267 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:54,760 "Gimme a cheer if your parents are divorced." 268 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,840 Fucking nothing! 269 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:05,160 Not a single sound 270 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,880 from 1,500 people. 271 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:13,040 I will never forget my mother leaning over and whispering in my 17-year-old ear, 272 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,120 "Bless him. He has no idea who he's talking to." 273 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,000 So what happens in Asian families, for better or for worse, 274 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,440 you get married, you stay married. 275 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,000 I come from a very long line of very long-married people. 276 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,400 Uh, my parents met at a mutual friend's birthday party in India in 1979. 277 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,240 Fell in love at first sight. My dad proposed that night. 278 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,000 They have been married for almost 45 years. Right? Um… 279 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,600 By the standards of my mum's family, by the way, 280 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:40,320 my parents had had quite an extensive courtship, 281 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,920 uh, prior to that. 282 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,960 I mean, like, well, her parents, 283 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,040 my maternal grandparents, Nanaji and Nanima, 284 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:51,160 I mean, the first conversation they had with one another, just, like, one-on-one, 285 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,920 was on the night, 286 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,760 like, several hours after they were already married, right? 287 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,000 It's 1955 in India. It was arranged. I don't know what to tell you. 288 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,200 Like, they weren't complete strangers to one another. That would be silly. 289 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,920 It's, like, the families had exchanged a photograph. Uh… 290 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,560 Right? And, um… 291 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,240 these pieces of paper with a few bits of biographical information on them. 292 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,360 Imagine getting shown that when you're, like, 19, 20. 293 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,160 "Is this who you'd like to marry forever?" "Oh yeah, I guess." 294 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,880 Then, in the end, very happily married for nearly a half century 295 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,960 until my grandfather sadly died relatively young. 296 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,640 It's so funny talking about this in front of liberal London audiences. 297 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,840 Like, it's just like, you all know that outwardly you have to be like, 298 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:34,680 "Oh." 299 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,800 "The mysteries of the East." 300 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:40,520 Uh… 301 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,640 "A rich cultural tapestry that may be interwoven with our own." 302 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,560 Internally, you're all just thinking, "That's fucking barbaric." 303 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,480 "The thing is, that's fucking barbaric, sorry." 304 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,720 "You mean to tell me that two people barely out of their teens, 305 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,920 and all they had to go on was a photograph 306 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,440 and a few bits of scant biographical information, 307 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,800 and within a matter of days, they were in bed together?" 308 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,640 "That is fucking disgusting." 309 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,520 "We would never do anything so crass and horrific 310 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,160 in our contemporary, enlightened Western…" 311 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,040 [laughter and applause] 312 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,160 Sorry, just because you've decided to do it via algorithm, 313 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:19,840 not "old woman in your village", 314 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,200 does not make it less arranged, right? 315 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,600 All you've decided to do is outsource responsibility 316 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,840 to the one thing somehow less accountable, all right? 317 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,720 My wife and I obviously had a far more conventional relationship, uh, 318 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,120 prior to getting engaged, meeting in this country and whatnot. 319 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,440 It took me a long time to work up the courage 320 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,560 to pop the question, as they say, mate. 321 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,920 We were going out five weeks, and I asked her to marry me. Um… 322 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,040 I get shit done. 323 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,360 There's no point pissing about if you know you know. 324 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,760 So just get it… get it done. 325 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,240 No point leaving stuff on your to-do list for six months. 326 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,400 Things are worth doing quickly and well. 327 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,080 It's the single best decision I ever made. Absolutely no downside. 328 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Admittedly, we were engaged for six months before we could start living together 329 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,840 just because, like, our tenancy agreements didn't… 330 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,080 Spent half my life on a fucking bus. 331 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,520 Then, eventually, obviously, we were able to finally move in together, 332 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,880 but all that meant was we were two people in our early thirties living in London 333 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,880 joining households, so now, we rent one roof 334 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,400 that contains two copies of every Ottolenghi book 335 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,600 and no realistic pathway to homeownership. 336 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,040 [chuckles] 337 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,240 I love my Ottolenghi books though. 338 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,240 Not giving those up, even for a house. Might need the spares. 339 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,440 Love my Ottolenghi books. Hey, mate, you got an Ottolenghi book? 340 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:36,600 -Ah yeah, I love it. -Yeah? 341 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,600 That's the sort of thing you can afford when you get the Martin Lewis email. 342 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,040 Love my Ottolenghi books. 343 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,560 "For this recipe, you will need two limes 344 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,080 that were once briefly glimpsed by a Persian widow." 345 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,480 "Or, if they don't have that in a shop near you, just any lime." 346 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,280 The thing is, you think it's bullshit, but I got some of the widow limes, 347 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,400 and you can taste the grief. 348 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,400 It's good stuff, actually. 349 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,200 The salt from the tears adds real depth of flavour. 350 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,240 I think that, shy of having children with someone, 351 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,600 I think getting engaged, getting married, it's like the most optimistic bet 352 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,040 that two people can make on the future. 353 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:22,000 Just this idea that you can sincerely look at someone and say, 354 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,840 "Our lives could be joined in something greater than the sum of its parts 355 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,800 stretching forward for the rest of them." 356 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,680 That's an extraordinarily optimistic way to feel, right? 357 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,160 At the same time as it feels like we're embarking 358 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,720 on the most optimistic journey of a lifetime, 359 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,280 it feels like the country around us has just given up. You know what I mean? 360 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:42,720 It's very difficult not to feel like this entire place has called last orders, 361 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:43,640 isn't it? 362 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:48,000 It is acutely difficult not to feel deeply pessimistic 363 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,640 about every element of the future of this country. Right? 364 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,960 That's weird enough for me as we're beginning this optimistic journey, 365 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,120 but it's doubly weird when I think about the fact 366 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,400 that if I were able to get into a time machine and travel to 1964, 367 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,560 when my grandfather, younger than I am now, 368 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,960 became the first member of our family to set foot on these shores, 369 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,360 and I would just explain the present to him, 370 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,200 he would not believe me 371 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:17,440 because he would think I was describing some unimaginable utopia of progress. 372 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,360 So that's really what I'm trying to do. 373 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,000 To take a step back, view things through a wider lens, a generational lens, 374 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,160 get some perspective, not be so blinkered, try not to lose the wood for the trees. 375 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:28,560 'Cause the story of my family 376 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,000 is a very typical one for the British Indian community. 377 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,320 I think that's a very relevant story to the past, present and future 378 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:35,880 of this country, right? 379 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,880 British Indians are, by a very long margin, 380 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,440 the largest minority-ethnic group in this country. 381 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,920 Hindus, again we're talking about millions upon millions… 382 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,800 None of you know any of that 383 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,120 because our entire cultural output consists of my mate Nish. Right? 384 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:51,960 And… 385 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,960 The story of the Indian community in this country, 386 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,480 by and large, starts, as it did for my family, in the 1960s 387 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,520 and has ended up, in the 2020s, 388 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,440 with us now running everything? 389 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,160 "Rishi bhai did it!" 390 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,760 "Rishi bhai did it! Never thought I'd live to see the day that Rishi bhai did it." 391 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,240 "Got that big house in the middle of town now, baby." 392 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,520 "Rishi bhai did it!" 393 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,920 Listen, politically, I'm furious. Racially, thrilled. 394 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,480 Ah! Are you kidding me? 395 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,640 On an ethnic level, couldn't be happier for him and his family. 396 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,480 Increasingly worried about mine. 397 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,880 Very much how I used to feel every time I saw Suella Aunty on the television. 398 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,240 "Jesus Christ, calm down, Suella Aunty. You're gonna get us both killed." 399 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,160 Right, uh… 400 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,680 I'm gonna talk about the prime minister a little bit. 401 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,240 Obviously, I've got to be relatively careful what I say about him 402 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,800 because we can all agree there's about a 70% chance that a decade from now, 403 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,280 I will play him in a Channel 4 drama. 404 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:55,400 Right, right… 405 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,760 Not gonna burn a bridge before I've even crossed it. 406 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:01,520 Are you kidding me? I need that money. 407 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,320 I just wish that I could get across, like, how wild that day was, right? I… 408 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,840 A British Indian, 409 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,600 devout Hindu, son of immigrants, 410 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,600 became prime minister of Britain 411 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:19,520 on Diwali. 412 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,320 That was a very difficult day in the family WhatsApp for me. 413 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,560 Get the family WhatsApp up on my phone. Yes, it's called the Asian Network. 414 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,520 See "Dad is typing…" 415 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,800 Wait for the inevitable. 416 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,960 "Ahir, have you seen what Mr Sunak's son has done today?" 417 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,160 "Still, Ahir, you enjoy mocking your week. I'm sure that's nice for you." 418 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,320 I'm glad the shine's come off him now. Everyone knows he's not really up to it. 419 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,680 At the beginning, you all acted like he was the perfect Indian boy. 420 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,800 At the beginning, everyone acted like he was the perfect Indian boy. 421 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,640 It's 'cause you just go off the CV on paper. Right? 422 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,640 You don't know what I know. 423 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,440 What does it say on the CV? Fucking anyone could've done that. 424 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,200 What? Piece of piss. Who cares? What? 425 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,680 All right, fair enough. What's the guy done? Fair enough. 426 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,400 Does well at school. Gets into Oxford. Does well at Oxford. Gets into Stanford. 427 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,680 Does well at Stanford. Starts working in finance. 428 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,040 Becomes a multi-multimillionaire in his own right in his twenties, 429 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:26,760 largely through executing positions as a big short in 2007-2008 430 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,320 that makes him rich enough that he'd never have to work again. 431 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,320 No one even reflects on that 'cause at Stanford, 432 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,000 he meets and eventually marries 433 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,360 the daughter of a genuine Indian billionaire, 434 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,760 who's a very successful businesswoman in her own right. 435 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,160 They move to the United Kingdom 436 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,360 where he becomes an MP at an obscenely young age, 437 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,920 Chancellor at an obscenely young age, 438 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,600 during one of the worst financial crises this country's experienced, 439 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,800 then prime minister, at an obscenely young age, 440 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,760 of the country that colonised and expropriated the wealth of his ancestors, 441 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,040 leading to complex migratory patterns, in his family's case, via East Africa, 442 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:57,000 landing him on the doorstep of the most significant address in this country 443 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,960 on the most significant day of his faith, 444 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,240 and everyone acts like he's the perfect Indian boy. 445 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,160 Feel free to look this up. It is genuinely true. 446 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,960 Rishi Sunak never made his school cricket team. 447 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,440 I was captain of mine. 448 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,520 [cheering and applause] 449 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,200 That's right! 450 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:25,880 That is right! 451 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,040 Any Indian father would dropkick the prime minister into a canal to get me. 452 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,960 All right? Know what I mean? 453 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,760 "Who cares about Rishi Sunak? I want Ahir Tendulkar. Mmm." 454 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,920 "Hearing a lot about Number Ten. Should be batting at number four." 455 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,360 "That's classy." 456 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,440 His family came here in the '60s too. Like, I… I think about that sometimes. 457 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,000 Getting into my time machine 458 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,280 and travelling to that cold bedsit in Bradford 459 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:52,080 and explaining to my grandfather 460 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,760 that when his grandson was a bit older than he was then, 461 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,640 not only would this be the case, 462 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,280 but I think the bit that he'd struggle with the most 463 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:02,240 is that it's not a thing. Do you know what I mean? 464 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,080 The news was just like, "And the prime minister, Rishi Sunak," 465 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,000 and everyone's like, "Yeah, that makes sense." 466 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,440 It is remarkable how unremarkable it is, right? 467 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,200 That's a thing that's worth reflecting upon. 468 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,080 Listen, I'll always talk about the things we do badly as a country. 469 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,640 I think one of the things we do terribly as a country 470 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,360 is never discussing anything we do well as a country. 471 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,400 And I do think that when we're at our best, 472 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,240 Britain stands basically alone, 473 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,400 certainly in Europe, probably in the world, 474 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,560 as an example of what a properly successful 475 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,480 multiethnic, multicultural democracy can look like in practice 476 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,880 in the 21st century. 477 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,880 That's something that is worth discussing. 478 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,640 It's why I hate it when you get people on the far right 479 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,880 decrying that multiculturalism is some grand failed experiment, 480 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,800 when you can see its successes if you bother to open your eyes. 481 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,720 It's why I can't stand it when people on my own "team", right? 482 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,240 I don't like teams in the first place, but listen. 483 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,720 I voted remain, 484 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,120 but whenever people are like, "It was only the European Union 485 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,000 that gave us our values of tolerance and decency to…" 486 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,280 Fuck off! 487 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,640 Anyone else in the room ever been to continental Europe while not white? 488 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,280 It's not the relaxing holidaying experience 489 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,400 that some of the rest of you may enjoy. 490 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,920 Genuinely. A couple of years ago, I had to go to this wedding in France. 491 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,440 I genuinely… The way people were… 492 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,040 I kept asking people I was with… Like, I thought I had something on me. 493 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:24,480 Turns out I did! 494 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,240 Gonna get an Algerian president of France anytime soon, 495 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,520 or reckon the fash'll get there first? Same question for Germany, you know? 496 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,840 Listen, I think that Britain stands basically alone in this. 497 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,480 That's worth reflecting on, right? I remember when I was 20 years old, 498 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,120 walking across the Meadows on the south side of Edinburgh 499 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,520 with my friend the Indian American comedian Hari Kondabolu, right? 500 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,000 I said to him, "Hari bhai…" 501 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,840 I think that when you're part of any sort of visible minority, 502 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,320 whatever that minority might be, what you fundamentally want in life, 503 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,960 it's not necessarily different treatment or special treatment. 504 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,280 Rather, it is the ability, eventually, to get to go without saying. 505 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:03,920 To be part of what is. Just to, sort of, get to be normal. 506 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,680 I think if you get to be normal 24-7, 507 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,200 you probably don't realise how cool it is to get to be normal all the time. 508 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,560 And does political representation get us there in and of itself? 509 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,880 Of course it doesn't, right? We know this for a fact. 510 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,360 Rishi Sunak, not even the first PM from a minority-ethnic background. 511 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,240 First, way back in the 19th century, Benjamin Disraeli, also a Tory, right? 512 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,880 Would you say that antisemitism does not exist in contemporary Britain? 513 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,920 That would be a fucking stupid thing to say. 514 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,800 But maybe these things are indicative of the fact 515 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,400 that, in societies, we can, over time, move towards a position 516 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,160 where more and more people can be brought into the circle 517 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,920 of who gets to go without saying, 518 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,000 until that sphere is eventually expanded to include everyone, 519 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,760 which is where it should've been in the first fuckin' place. 520 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,680 I have had the very great privilege 521 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,320 of seeing a large amount of this world through these eyes. 522 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,200 I have been to many countries, cities, continents doing this, 523 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,120 and I can comfortably say that Britain is, yes, as the cliché goes, 524 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,760 "the least racist country in the world". 525 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,800 It just says a shitload more about the world than about Britain. 526 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,720 Right? 527 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,320 And please do not interpret this as any sort of grand political point. 528 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,280 I think the guy's a fucking appalling prime minister. 529 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:13,040 He's, like, genuinely terrible, and no one voted for any of this. 530 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,640 It is abysmal what is happening to us at the moment. 531 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,040 I do not agree with his politics, but… 532 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,240 By the way, that's when you know that something historic's happened. 533 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,760 People use phrases like, "I may not agree with the politics, but…" 534 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,440 [emphatically] No one felt the need with David Cameron. 535 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,200 It's just nice for someone like that to get a girl, isn't it? 536 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,880 Right, but Sunak and Cameron are basically the same guy 537 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,240 'cause they went to fancy school. 538 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,440 That's what explains it. Fancy school, and fancy school runs the country. 539 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,400 That is not the school that I think about when I think about the prime minister. 540 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,120 The school that I think about 541 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,480 is quite a long time ago and quite a long way away. 542 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,120 In April 1919, 543 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,800 an event occurred in Amritsar, Punjab, at the time British India, 544 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,960 that is now known to history as the Jallianwala Bagh massacre, 545 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,880 also known as the Amritsar massacre. 546 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,000 This is when thousands of entirely unarmed civilians, 547 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,840 peaceful protesters and pilgrims were kettled into a very, very small area, 548 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,200 and tens of thousands of rounds of machine-gun fire 549 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,320 were opened up intentionally on these entirely unarmed civilians, 550 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,360 at least 379 of whom were murdered, 551 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,720 probably many more, though we'll never know the true total, 552 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,640 and thousands more had life-defining injuries thereafter. 553 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,760 It is one of the worst and most well-documented cases 554 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,720 of colonial atrocities of British rule in India. 555 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,360 I've known about that a very long time. 556 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,160 What I did not know about, 557 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,600 until an investigation in The Times last year, 558 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,040 was that subsequent to the massacre in Amritsar, 559 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,840 there was a sequence of additional smaller massacres 560 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,880 perpetrated in towns and villages surrounding Amritsar as the word got out 561 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,520 in order to stop the possibility of any subsequent civilian uprisings, 562 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,880 including one that happened in a place called Gujranwala, right? 563 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,520 Now, Gujranwala, it's about 100 miles away from Amritsar. 564 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,960 It's a border town in contemporary Pakistan. 565 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,000 And in Gujranwala, again, thousands of rounds of machine-gun fire 566 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,680 were let out at entirely unarmed… just farmers tilling their fields. 567 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,560 And over the course of two days, 568 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,360 ten bombs were dropped, 569 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,480 including one intentionally dropped on the school 570 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,880 as a show of "This is how powerful we are 571 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,080 and how little of a shit we give about you, 572 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,160 so don't you even think about trying to fuck with us." 573 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,080 One of the survivors of the massacre in Gujranwala 574 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,480 was a two-year-old boy named Ramdas. 575 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,080 Ramdas's grandson is, at time of recording, 576 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,880 prime minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. 577 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,320 -Yeah. -[applause] 578 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,360 When… 579 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,680 when I think about the last century of world history 580 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,720 and what might prove possible over time and generations, 581 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,000 I think about the school in Gujranwala 582 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,400 rather more than I think about Winchester College. 583 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,840 A punchline would feel distasteful. 584 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,320 -[laughter] -Right? 585 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,120 Obviously, I wasn't alive at the time, but I reckon the way I feel's 586 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,240 basically how a lot of women felt about Margaret Thatcher in 1979. 587 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,760 You don't need to agree with someone's politics in order to acknowledge 588 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,040 that someone walking through the door means something in and of itself, 589 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,480 and that's the only way you pave the pathway for others to follow. 590 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,120 And you can't deny that it works. You can't deny that it… Listen. 591 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,360 We've now had enough white-lady prime ministers 592 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,400 that they're allowed to be instantly shit! 593 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,160 That is a staggering achievement for equality in this country. 594 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,320 Are you kidding me? 595 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,880 Maggie and Theresa walked so Liz could fly. 596 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,400 Liz Truss, actually very important from a representational standpoint as well. 597 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,920 Uh, I mean that entirely sincerely too. 598 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,640 Think about how many prime ministers there must've been 599 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,240 over however long it's been. 600 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,240 Did you know that Liz Truss is the first 601 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,280 who just went to a regular comprehensive school? 602 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,720 Isn't that mad, right? 603 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,440 Like, 94% of children go to a regular comprehensive school. 604 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,280 I went to a regular comprehensive school. 605 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,040 I believe 94% of prime ministers should go to a regular comprehensive school. 606 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,720 Admittedly, she wasn't a great advert for us. Right? 607 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,920 "I may not agree with her politics, but…" 608 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,880 In case you're trying to square the circle 609 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,120 of the educational background and the accent you're currently enjoying… 610 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,560 Uh, well, uh… 611 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,840 What ended up happening there was 612 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,120 I went to my local comp in Wembley, North West London. 613 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,480 I had a wonderful time there, 614 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,320 but it did have a few police vans outside to stop us murdering each other. 615 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,360 Very thoughtful of them. 616 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,040 Subsequent to that, I ended up going to the University of Cambridge, 617 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,760 so I became functionally bilingual in both posh boy and roadman. 618 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,000 Uh, uh… 619 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,640 A few years ago, I was doing a TV record in Glasgow, 620 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,760 and afterwards, I was having a cigarette with my friend the comedian Jamali Maddix. 621 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,480 I was there with Jamali, smoking, making small talk. 622 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,480 He went, "You went private school, yeah?" 623 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,120 I'm like, "Oh no, I didn't." "What?" 624 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,880 So I talked him through a few basic facts about my childhood, 625 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,920 and he just looked at me and went, "Hang on, bruv, are you from ends?" 626 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,640 [posher accent] "Well, Jamali, one supposes one was." 627 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,440 I'm not gonna do it down. I grew up in a wonderful place. 628 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,400 I went to a wonderful school. I hate when people do that down. 629 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,240 I… genuinely, it was a really good school. 630 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,920 If you avoided gang violence, cousin marriage, it was Ofsted Good. 631 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,280 Like, it was a great environment. All the families, by and large like mine. 632 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,040 First-, second-generation immigrants. 633 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,720 Parents may not have had a lot to give. What they had was the most important. 634 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,040 An insistence that education is the best way onward, upward, outward. 635 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,960 I think if you've got 100 grand, that's a better thing to give to a child. 636 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,640 And blessed with really great teachers. 637 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,920 I'll tell you about one of my favourites, Miss Lewis. 638 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,320 Now, Miss Lewis, I think she had previously taught at a private school. 639 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,440 I don't know, but she definitely knew the extras they were given 640 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,040 in order to get ahead. Maybe thought that was unfair, right? 641 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,040 And so she set up, off her own initiative, like all great teachers do, 642 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,680 off her own bat, she set up, for a couple of years, 643 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,040 an additional, optional Latin class, of all things. 644 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,040 And I, as you can probably imagine, was heavily involved. 645 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,760 This is what I mean about the transformative power of education. 646 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,400 You could change everything for young people in an instant. 647 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,160 I still remember, like it was yesterday, 648 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,160 the first time I walked into that gleaming Portakabin 649 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,120 bestowed on us by New Labour, 650 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,440 and I sat down, and I opened these textbooks 651 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,640 that contained these things that I'd never even conceived of before. 652 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,680 I was just there being like, "Oh my God, it's true!" 653 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,280 "Caecilius est in horto!" 654 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,160 Do you know what I mean, right? 655 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,320 Led to probably my single favourite experience 656 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,960 of my entire time at high school, 657 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,640 which was one time, at the end of term, my boys and I were gonna go cinema 658 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,920 'cause you get a half day. 659 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,360 The way that you go to the cinema, you get the 182 from Brent Town Hall. 660 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,160 So we were walking to the bus stop, 661 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,680 and on the way to the bus stop, there's this blind alley, right? 662 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,360 And a dozen guys came out to rush us and jack us and shit, 663 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,880 until one of them just stopped all of the others by going, 664 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,280 "Guys, Ahir's safe, yeah? I know him from Latin." 665 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,840 I sincerely believe I am the only man in the long history of this sceptred isle 666 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,360 who has ever avoided a violent mugging because of Latin class. 667 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:09,560 Uh… [chuckles] 668 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,400 Nathaniel, gratias tibi. 669 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,960 It's a great environment to grow up in, you know? 670 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,920 Not much cash but a lot of ambition. 671 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,560 I think that's a good way around to have it, generally speaking. 672 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,480 And realistic ambition as well. The families just had realistic ambitions. 673 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,400 The sort of ambition every parent should be able to rely on. 674 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,840 The idea that if everyone does their bit, works hard, 675 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,520 the next generation might have it a bit easier than the previous one did. 676 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,240 That is a reasonable ambition. Parents should be able to rely 677 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,480 on that coming true for their children. 678 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,920 Right, now this is not an unreasonable ambition. 679 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,800 I know all about unreasonable ambition. You don't need to tell me about… 680 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,760 I remember once, when I was at uni, entirely unironically telling my mate Ali 681 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,840 that by the time I was in my thirties, 682 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,760 I wanted to be GQ magazine's World's Best Dressed Man. 683 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,800 Right? I am now in my thirties 684 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,600 and will settle for "Dressed Man". 685 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,280 [chuckles] And that's a stretch most days. 686 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,600 Listen, we all know, fundamentally, that any sort of vision of progress 687 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,880 has to take into account generational investment. 688 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,040 I think that the part that we've forgotten 689 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,520 is that the flip side of that coin has always been generational sacrifice. 690 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,840 Now, I might not know much about generational investment yet, 691 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,480 but I feel like, through example, I at least know something 692 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,560 about generational sacrifice 693 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,800 because every day after primary school, 694 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,240 I would go to my grandparents' house in Alperton, North West London, 695 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,760 and I would see generational sacrifice continuing to write itself 696 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,920 on the faces of Nanaji and Nanima. 697 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,280 Now, quick note on language. I speak another language. 698 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,360 It's called Gujarati. "Nanaji" just means your mum's dad. 699 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,920 You have different words for both sides of the family. 700 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,040 So maternal grandfather, that's nanaji. 701 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,640 As you can imagine, I write a lot of stuff on my computer. 702 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:58,000 My computer refuses to accept the existence of the word "nanaji" 703 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,440 and will insist on autocorrecting it every time to the word "Navajo". 704 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,640 Which has led to three instances 705 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,400 where I, alone at home, have yelled at a computer screen, 706 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,000 "Wrong sort of Indian!" 707 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,560 Now, Nanaji was the first member of my family 708 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,760 to arrive in this country when he was in his twenties in 1964. 709 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,120 He is probably the reason that I was born here in the first place. 710 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,520 He is the reason for so much. 711 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,200 Even though he died a fair while ago now, he's probably the largest part 712 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,960 of the reason why I ended up sounding like this, right? 713 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,320 When he was eventually reunited with his wife and children in this country, 714 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,440 he said to the children, including my mother, 715 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,160 "Listen, when you're outside, 716 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:42,200 you're not allowed to speak to one another in Gujarati any more." 717 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,640 "You live somewhere called England now, 718 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,960 so you need to learn how to speak like proper little Englishmen and women." 719 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,920 "And then if you learn how to do that, 720 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,400 maybe one day, they'll learn how to accept you." 721 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,840 And it sounds kind of weird to our contemporary ears, 722 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,320 but this was a very commonplace thing in the '60s and '70s. 723 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,560 A sort of, like, vocal version of dressing for the job you want. 724 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,200 You ever heard that phrase, right? 725 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,200 And this has been entirely useless for me, but, like, my uncle is a doctor. 726 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:12,920 Can you imagine if your doctor looked and sounded like me? 727 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,480 You'd be fucking thrilled. 728 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,400 Imagine that, he's doing the ward rounds, just like, 729 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,200 "Oh, good morning. How are we feeling today?" 730 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,840 You're thinking, "This motherfucker's gonna cure me in two hours." 731 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,200 "Make lunch plans!" 732 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,240 Now, Nanaji could never integrate in that way himself, 733 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,240 so I think that his way of doing it was that he worked a succession 734 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,520 of almost comically English jobs, right? 735 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,760 So for the most part of his career, until he retired, he worked at John Lewis. 736 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,120 Worked on the shop floor, selling curtains, fabrics 737 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,800 'cause it's what he knew from the textile factories back in India. 738 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,640 That's probably the most English place anyone could possibly work. 739 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:52,920 You're not gonna get a more English place to work 740 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,480 than the John Lewis Partnership. 741 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,040 Unless the job you had before that was conductor on the big, red bus! 742 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,080 "Fair play. That's the most English place anyone could possibly work." 743 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,520 "You can't hit us with a more English workplace than the big, red bus." 744 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,280 Unless the first job you had in this country 745 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,480 was literally at the baked-bean factory! 746 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,240 It's where it all started. Baked-bean factory in Bradford. 747 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,200 1964, baby. Came over here. Work on those beans. 748 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,160 Now, uh, crucially, he did not want to, uh, right? 749 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,760 By that stage, been married for just under a decade. 750 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,400 Had three children. 751 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,960 Had friends. Enjoyed his work in the textile factory. 752 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,560 Thought he might be able to work his way up and everything. 753 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,720 Very little interest in the United Kingdom. 754 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,240 Hitherto no interest in beans, right? But, um… 755 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,880 It was my grandmother who pushed this. 756 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,960 Like, Nani, quite understandably, was like, "Listen, just…" 757 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,080 India at the time is just poorer and more violent 758 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,960 than anyone with the dumb luck of having been born in this country 759 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,560 can remotely conceive of. 760 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,280 And so she, quite understandably, was like, "Listen, 761 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,960 these children aren't gonna have the life we wanna give them over here, 762 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,800 but they're taking people in England." 763 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,000 "So I need you to go over there. You just work it out, right?" 764 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,880 "I'll stay here with the children. You send money back to us." 765 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,160 "When you've saved up enough, we'll come join you." 766 00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:11,360 "All right. Cool. See you later. Bye." Uh… 767 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,280 He just did it, like, pretty soon thereafter. Just went… 768 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,200 Like, listen, I like to think 769 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,880 that I'm gonna be a pretty, sort of, 770 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:25,960 accepting, thoughtful, 771 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,880 50-50 type of husband, right? 772 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,080 However, if, just under a decade from now, 773 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,720 my wife is to tell me that I must leave her and our three children 774 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,880 to move to a different continent 775 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,320 with no guarantee of when I would see them again, 776 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,960 no way of communicating with them, 777 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,080 no guarantee if any of it was going to work out 778 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,440 and no guarantee of my own personal safety, 779 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,680 that would not be the end of the conversation. 780 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,520 Right? 781 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,800 However, of course, for Nanaji, it was. How could it not be? 782 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,080 That's your dharma. That's your duty. You have to do it. 783 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,680 It's your duty to your family, right? So he came over, not entirely on his own. 784 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,080 Came with a couple of other guys who did the same, left the wives and kids. 785 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,800 But they didn't really see each other that much for a few years 786 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,920 'cause they ran a system called the eight-eight-eight, right? 787 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,240 The eight-eight-eight is a system whereby, as mathematicians in the room can confirm, 788 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,080 if three men each have two jobs, the shifts of which are eight hours long, 789 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,600 and you time the shift patterns correctly and work seven days a week, 790 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,920 you only need to rent one bed in one room 791 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,240 because one of you can be asleep at any given time 792 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,800 while the other two are at work. 793 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,520 One guy finishes his second shift, comes back, hits you awake, 794 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,560 you go off to your first one, he falls asleep. 795 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,120 Do that again and again. Saves two-thirds on the rent. 796 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,520 That's more that you can send to the wives and kids in India. 797 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,200 And that's the largest expense, isn't it? 798 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,600 What's the second-largest expense? Probably food. 799 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,080 But food, taken care of. 'Cause at the baked-bean factory, 800 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,240 they give you a tin of beans. Protein. Very important. 801 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,640 For the second meal of the day, they had a big sack of rice, 802 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:54,360 and they'd have some boiled rice in a pot. 803 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,640 Apart from Sundays, obviously, because Sunday is treat day, 804 00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,120 so the boiled rice contained an onion, right? 805 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,720 Some of you are probably thinking, "Surely, even in 1964, onions are cheap." 806 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,640 "Anyone could have onions whenever they wanted." 807 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:11,880 From what you have heard so far about my nanima, 808 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,200 do you believe she is the sort of woman who would have tolerated 809 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,200 the profligacy of a seven-a-week onion habit? 810 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,280 It's what you needed to do. 811 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,160 It's what they needed you to do, so it's what you did. 812 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:30,080 Eight-eight-eight, 24-7, 365. 813 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,000 Five. 814 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,120 Five years. He didn't see his wife or children for five years. 815 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,080 Imagine that. 816 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,560 It's not like, "At least I've got a good data plan" or something like that. 817 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,680 Forget about calling. That was never gonna happen. 818 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,600 Letters? Couple of letters a year. 819 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,520 Each time you write one, you feel a bit closer. 820 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,200 Every time you buy a stamp, you're driving them further away. 821 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,320 To the extent that my mum's first memory in this country 822 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,280 is Heathrow Airport, 1969. 823 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,840 Her, her brother and sister all sort of hid behind their mum 824 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,680 because they were just like, "Who's this man?" Right? 825 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,960 "Who's this big man?" Right? 826 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,040 Just like, "Why's he smiling at me?" 827 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,040 "Why's he got these tears in his eyes?" 828 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:15,160 "I guess he looks like that photograph that Mummy cries over sometimes 829 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,920 if anyone ever hums that song, you know?" 830 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,040 I think about that a lot too, right? Imagine that. 831 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,400 Trying to raise three children on your own for five years, 832 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,120 occasionally just crying over a single photograph 833 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,760 and a handful of letters. 834 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,520 Should've cried over a lime. She'd have made some money. 835 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,400 Family reunited in 1969, 836 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,880 the year after a very prominent Conservative politician 837 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,800 got on a soapbox in Birmingham and said, 838 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,200 "We must be mad, literally mad, 839 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,000 to be permitting the annual inflow of dependents, 840 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,520 who are, for the most part, the material of the future growth 841 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,920 of the immigrant-descended population." 842 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,520 "It is like watching a nation 843 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,760 busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre." 844 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,720 Now, Mr Powell was correct about one thing 845 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,600 in that that little girl hidden behind the sari 846 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,880 did become part of the material 847 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,200 of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population. 848 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,120 Because that's quite a mouthful, my sister and I tend to go with "Mum". 849 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,440 Imagine that. 850 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,600 Bringing your wife and kids into that the year after Rivers of Blood, 851 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,760 when you've been here on your own since '64, 852 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,440 the same year as the Smethwick campaign. 853 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,440 Right? It's fucking grim. 854 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,280 Right, just like the violence, the aggression, that goes without saying. 855 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,560 It's also… 856 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,560 It's always the more insidious stuff that cuts the deepest, yeah? 857 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,680 The thing, I suppose, like, nowadays, we acknowledge as having broken him 858 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,920 was that he was eventually, uh, 859 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,840 accused of quite serious theft from the workplace, uh, which was, like… 860 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,680 Suspended and investigated for ages. 861 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,760 Entirely cleared. He'd obviously not done it. 862 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,240 But it didn't take a genius to work out eventually when you hear these stories, 863 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,280 that it all starts with a couple of guys at the place being like, 864 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,280 "Who do you reckon they're gonna believe, eh?" 865 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,640 Imagine what that does to you. Like, your dignity and stuff. 866 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:08,480 You have to do it again though. Tomorrow. 867 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,600 You have to get up, brave face, for the kids. 868 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,440 For the kids. It's not like the kids have it any easier. 869 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,400 There has been so much more progress in the last 20 years in this country 870 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,360 than there was in the 40 that preceded it, 871 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,320 and I feel very comfortable saying that 872 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,400 because I went to exactly the same high school as my mum and my uncle. 873 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,640 My abiding memory of that school is a funny story about the time 874 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,160 when I didn't get mugged 'cause of Latin. Ha-ha-ha. 875 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,080 My uncle's abiding memory of that school 876 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,880 is the people who would flick lit cigarettes at him every day 877 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,520 when he walked to and from it. 878 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,560 My mum's abiding memory of that school sticks with her to this day 879 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,680 because every time she wants to eat something, 880 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,720 she has to change her clothes entirely, 881 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,280 cook, eat, change her clothes entirely again. 882 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,000 No matter how many times I tell her 883 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,360 that the smell of spices hitting hot oil is the most beautiful smell in the world, 884 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,120 all she hears is a decade of children telling her how much she stank. 885 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,200 And he died in 2002, 886 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,800 so he died only remembering the shit bit, 887 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,000 and he wasn't old, so if he'd just hung on, 888 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,320 he would have seen how quickly it was going to get so different. 889 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,960 You could have at least seen a bit of that before you left. 890 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,480 Right, in 2016, I'm on a train, reading a newspaper. 891 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,560 Sorry, mate. A newspaper. Right, um… 892 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,960 Imagine, like, a solid tweet. 893 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,240 Right, and… and… 894 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,320 On a train, reading a newspaper, 895 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,120 and it's the day before the mayoral election in London, 896 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,440 and there's this big feature article, 897 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,080 uh, where basically Sadiq Uncle is walking around the city, 898 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,480 meeting the various voters and talking to them. 899 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,120 In the feature, there's this one guy. 900 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,760 I've forgotten his name. It was a West African name, I think. 901 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,760 He's there with his five-year-old son, 902 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,440 and he says to him, "Son, I want you to shake this man's hand." 903 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,840 "This is Mr Khan." 904 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,680 "Mr Khan is going to be the next mayor of London." 905 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,680 And in that moment of reading that, like, 906 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,920 my hands stopped working, 907 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,800 and the paper fell from my hands, and the tears fell from my eyes 908 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,520 as I thought about the fact that he died in a society where the sentence, 909 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,400 "This is Mr Khan. Mr Khan is going to be the next mayor of London," 910 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,840 was completely impossible, right? 911 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,040 And yet 14 years later, it had become totally inevitable. 912 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,120 So what would he have made of witnessing 913 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,800 the change in society necessary to make that happen 914 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,840 and landing on that sentence in that paper? 915 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,080 What would he have made of reading a sentence like that? 916 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,160 What would he have made of reading the words, 917 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,960 "This is Mr Khan. Mr Khan is going to be the next mayor of London"? 918 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,360 Probably not much. I don't think he really liked Muslims. 919 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:35,840 "I may not agree with his politics, but…" 920 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,400 And that's how I felt Diwali before last, you know? 921 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,440 Lit my divo, I went outside. 922 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,800 I went back into the kitchen, and I poured a little glass of whisky, 923 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,080 and I said, "You finding today interesting, eh?" 924 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,280 It's, like, obviously, problems still exist. 925 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,280 None of this is to negate any of the problems 926 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,400 that we're all too aware of, right? 927 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,200 But at the same time, 928 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,680 pretending that the sort of stuff that I have and have had to contend with 929 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,320 is in any way comparable to the sort of things that they had to deal with 930 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,960 feels genuinely offensive to me. 931 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,360 'Cause this was the generation that never talked about it 932 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,720 and so never had it acknowledged, and it's worth acknowledging. 933 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,080 'Cause they're the ones who changed so much 934 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,640 to make so much of what happens now possible, right? I'm not an idiot. 935 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:26,280 I wander around doing this for a living, all around the country. 936 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,680 Occasionally, people shout ignorant shit at me in the street. 937 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,640 Like, I'm not oblivious to that. And listen, my wife is a white Irish lady. 938 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,400 Sometimes the two of us are going about our business, out and about, 939 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,840 and people see us together. 940 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,280 They don't like that too much. They make their opinions known. 941 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,440 They're all so fuckin' old, right? 942 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,120 So old. Like, proper fossils, and… 943 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,480 When I was a teenager, it would really… Like, I'd be ready to fight, 944 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,440 and now a part of my brain just can't help but think, 945 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,680 "F… I think maybe you lost," right? 946 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,120 No, not… Lost isn't correct 947 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,040 'cause it's not like society's a football match 948 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,680 where someone blows the whistle and we decide what the result's been. 949 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,040 But at the very least, I can acknowledge that I'm not the one who scored the goals. 950 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,400 I'm a sub. They're the ones who scored the goals. 951 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,800 They scored the goals and ran straight back to the net 952 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,360 and pulled it back to the halfway line 953 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,440 'cause they knew that no matter how hard they were trying every single day, 954 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,800 they were still, 1969, two down, right? 955 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,800 And is the point of my generation one more not only of maintenance 956 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,440 but also trying not to lose grip 957 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,640 on this extraordinarily fragile thing that exists around us? 958 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,960 It's worth acknowledging how fragile this thing is, right, 959 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,840 because you see people, young people, 960 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,400 trying, once again, to sow, 961 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,600 sort of, any sorts of division in this society we're trying to build. 962 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,000 And you just think, "What the fuck are you doing?" 963 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,040 "What are you doing?" 964 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,880 Surely, the point… If the point is anything, 965 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,280 the point is to create a society in which, one day, 966 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,000 everyone's children get to go without saying. 967 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,960 I think that you have to be staggeringly naive 968 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,640 to believe that that's possible, and I refuse to be anything else. 969 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,840 It's so easy to despair, right? 970 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,920 Despair is the easiest position to have. It's definitely my default. 971 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,600 It just turns out that despair is a deeply unproductive emotion. 972 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,600 Right? Try something else. Yeah? 973 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,200 My wife's way better than me at this. 974 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,560 Like, she's just, generally speaking, quite stable and well adjusted. 975 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,200 I used to think that she was some sort of superhero or something. 976 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,640 Turned out it's because she has absolutely no social-media presence whatsoever. 977 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,080 Uses the internet sparingly if necessary for work. 978 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,080 If we were all slightly more like her, we'd all be slightly less fucking insane. 979 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,880 By the way, no one's changed their names. There's no Mrs Shah to this story. 980 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,120 Fortunately for all of us, in Irish, her name means 981 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,640 "Prostitute Queen". 982 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,080 Didn't even take five weeks, not really. 983 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,880 There was a point, one week, 984 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,320 stood opposite her in the kitchen, 985 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,320 and just all of a sudden, it's like the trailers stopped. 986 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,880 Like all life up to that point had revealed itself to be the trailers, 987 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,760 and all of a sudden, every atom of the world outside of the two of us 988 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,320 was whispering in unison, 989 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,480 "Shh-shh-shh-shh-shh-shh-shh. Shh." [softly] "The picture's about to start." 990 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,760 And now I get to see how it goes. 991 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,240 That's it. 992 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,040 I mean, the ending's gonna suck. 993 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,040 Right. I'm not gonna know too much about it though. 994 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,160 100% gonna die first. Get in! 995 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,560 Love it. Are you kidding me? Listen. It's like… She's really like, 996 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,760 "Oh no, we shouldn't have processed food in the house." 997 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,200 And all I want to do in my life is fuck a Chicago Town pizza. 998 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,560 While chain-smoking and doing lines of salt. 999 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,600 It's nice to feel like you've had one of your last beginnings. Yeah? 1000 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,800 Frees you up to think about where things end up. 1001 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,520 It's the interesting thing with love, right? 1002 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,200 Love, the way that it begins, begins in as many ways as there are people. 1003 00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:29,600 If we were ever to have a conversation, and you said to me, 1004 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,240 "Ahir, can I just check, were you in love on your wedding day?" 1005 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,480 Wouldn't that be a ridiculous question? You'd never ask. 1006 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,760 'Cause the answer's obviously yes, right? 1007 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,520 What I find fascinating is that, if you were ever to meet my grandmother, 1008 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,320 and you were to say, "Ramila, can I check, on your wedding day, were you in love?" 1009 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,320 It would be an equally ridiculous question 'cause the answer would obviously be no. 1010 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,160 Of course she wasn't. Right? 1011 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:55,040 There she was, little more than a girl, sat opposite little more than a boy. 1012 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,320 Total strangers, functionally. 1013 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,080 Of course she didn't love that boy. Right? 1014 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,200 And yet it began. It began, right? 1015 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:05,800 Wild. 1016 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,280 Did she love the boy she was sat opposite on her wedding day? 1017 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,120 Of course she didn't, right? 1018 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,240 Did she love the young man just under a decade later, 1019 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,600 who was willing to move continents because he knew 1020 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,160 that's what the people who relied on him needed from him in that moment? 1021 00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:23,080 Of course she loved that man. 1022 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,480 She loved that man for the next five years 1023 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,760 as she held up her end looking after three children, 1024 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,960 while occasionally taking a moment to cry 1025 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,960 over a photograph and a handful of letters. 1026 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,680 Of course she loved that man. 1027 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,680 She loved that man in Heathrow Airport, 1969, 1028 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,880 the photograph made flesh once more 1029 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,040 as those three children hid behind her sari 1030 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,480 because they barely recognised the man who had done so much for them. 1031 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,120 Of course she loved that man. 1032 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,560 She loved that man as she took his hand and walked forward together into a society 1033 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,000 infinitely more hostile than the one that has been bequeathed to me 1034 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,320 as a direct result of their actions. 1035 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,640 She loved that man as they danced together, 1036 00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:02,520 shielding one another from as many slings and arrows as humanly possible. 1037 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,600 For the next decades until his end, she loved that man. 1038 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,920 She loved that man in 2002 and well past that, 1039 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,080 as you will know if you go to a living room 1040 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,680 in Alperton, North West London, 1041 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,560 and see a photograph on the wall with a fresh garland of flowers 1042 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,960 that you pray to when you visit. Of course she loves that man. 1043 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,000 That's where it ends up. 1044 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,960 Nanaji died in 2002, 1045 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,840 a week after his birthday. 1046 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,760 He'd just turned 69. Oi! 1047 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:43,800 [chuckles softly] 1048 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,560 He'd brought a slightly hastened end onto himself, really, uh… 1049 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,240 Basically, when he retired, 1050 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,960 he wanted to spend as much time in India as humanly possible, 1051 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,200 but his lungs had been fucked since his twenties 1052 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,680 'cause of the fibres in the air in the textile mills. 1053 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,840 The place in India my family are historically from, 1054 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,920 a city called Ahmedabad, it's incredibly polluted. 1055 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,360 Makes Central London look like the fucking Peak District. 1056 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,840 And so he would go over there and come back weaker, diminished. 1057 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,040 And he came back, and after the second trip, 1058 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,520 his grown-up children had to get him sat down in his own living room, 1059 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,760 and my mum had to say to her own dad, 1060 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,120 "You are killing yourself." Right? 1061 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,160 "That's what's happening here. That's what's… It's perfectly clear." 1062 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:24,560 "You go there. You come back. You're weaker. You're smaller." 1063 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:25,960 "You're more diminished." 1064 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,640 "And can you not see what is happening to you?" 1065 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:31,160 "It's not even about seeing. Akshay is a doctor." 1066 00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:34,080 "He can hear what is happening based on your breath and diagnose you." 1067 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,560 "Do you not feel what is happening?" 1068 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,160 "So here's the thing. You've had your fun. You've had two trips." 1069 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:39,920 "But now you stay over here, right?" 1070 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,480 "'Cause we love you very much, so we wanna keep you around." 1071 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,760 "That's how we're all gonna look after one another." 1072 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,400 "So you've had your fun, but you're not allowed to go any more." 1073 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,080 "Here you are. Good. Yes." 1074 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,320 And he had to look at three adult children 1075 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,320 and say, "No." 1076 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,600 "I never wanted any of this. Right, I never wanted any…" 1077 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,240 "Like, my entire life, it turns out, has just been this means to an end, 1078 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,320 and that's fine. It's fine because you are the end." 1079 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,280 "So if I had to do it again, I would, 1080 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,760 with a snap of the fingers and a smile on my face, I would do it again." 1081 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,160 "But can you not understand that I just need this at my end?" 1082 00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:24,080 "I can feel it far more than you can see it, or he can hear it." 1083 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,840 "Do you not understand I don't care?" 1084 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,080 "I don't care because when I go over there, 1085 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,080 no one looks at me like I'm any different 1086 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,000 or yells at me or spits at me like I'm any different 1087 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,840 because I'm not any different." 1088 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,280 "When I go over there, I am a normal guy." 1089 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,760 "I have been a normal guy since the day I was born." 1090 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,120 "I just haven't felt like it in so long." 1091 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,320 "You don't understand that when I'm over there, 1092 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,080 I get to go without saying, 1093 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,520 and I haven't gone without saying since nineteen sixty-fucking-four." 1094 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,560 He used to run off the plane as quickly as possible, 1095 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,240 sprint across the tarmac as quick as fucked lungs would carry him, 1096 00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,440 and go to the first part of the airport that wasn't paved over, 1097 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:05,840 fall to his knees and just start digging fistfuls of earth with his bare hands. 1098 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,880 He would dig up the earth, and he would put it in his mouth. 1099 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,760 Can you imagine? Dig the earth and put… 'Cause you miss a land so much 1100 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,000 that you need to dig it and put it in your mouth. 1101 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,480 But you had to leave, you had to leave because that's what they needed, 1102 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,720 and if they needed it, it's what you had to do. 1103 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,480 He would dig the earth and put it in his mouth. 1104 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:24,760 It can't have helped. 1105 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,360 [laughter] 1106 00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,120 A third and final trip 1107 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,920 to the only place on the face of this earth 1108 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,560 that would do a normal guy the basic decency 1109 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,440 of getting to go without saying. 1110 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:46,800 And it killed him. 1111 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,280 That's how much every human being wants that. 1112 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,920 You need a pretty damn good reason not to give it to them. 1113 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,960 When he did die, he died in this country, in a hospital. 1114 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,480 D'you remember? "Hospital". 1115 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,480 And my mother was next to him, sat down. 1116 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,520 He was in a bed, not speaking any more. 1117 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,280 It was just the beeps, you know? Most of us have heard the beeps. 1118 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,840 And a nurse came by, saw my mum, and said, 1119 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,840 "Oh, you must be Mr Vaishnaw's daughter." She said, "Yes, I am." 1120 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,440 And the nurse said, "Well, listen, 1121 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,440 I'm new to the ward, so I didn't get a chance to speak to him, 1122 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,040 but I've spoken to some of the other nurses who did, 1123 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,040 and they said he was a good man." 1124 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,840 And my mother squeezed the hand 1125 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:54,240 of a man she had barely recognised in Heathrow Airport in 1969 1126 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,080 and said, "He was the best of men." 1127 00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,360 And the line went flat. 1128 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:06,160 And if Nanaji were capable of hearing in that moment, 1129 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:09,360 then the very last thing he heard on this earth 1130 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,000 was the little girl it had all been for 1131 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,600 saying that he was the best of men. 1132 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,080 And, like, objectively, he wasn't. 1133 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,200 [laughter] 1134 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,880 Do you know what I mean? Not a baddie, but just, you know, 1135 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,200 a normal, complex, flawed human being like absolutely everyone in this room. 1136 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,720 And probably we could give one another a bit more of a break 1137 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,840 than we currently have the appetite for, I suppose. Yeah? 1138 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,160 But for someone, for someone, 1139 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,880 which it turns out is the only way that you can be, 1140 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,120 of course he was. He was the best of people for someone. 1141 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,280 He did what they needed from him when they needed it from him. 1142 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,720 He did the best that he could for the people he loved. 1143 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,880 If you can do that, then you can be the best of people for someone. 1144 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,960 If you can do the best you can for the people you love and who rely on you, 1145 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,760 then you damn well get to go without saying, in my book. 1146 00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,720 It is not that I have currently had some sort of grand revelation 1147 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,640 that sacrifice is somehow more impressive or important than achievement. 1148 00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,920 The truth is what the truth always was in the first place, 1149 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,400 which is that the sacrifice is the achievement, 1150 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,280 and with that in mind, I know full well that till my end, 1151 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,040 Krishnadas Vaishnaw will remain the most impressive man I will ever meet. 1152 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,800 I have wanted to do this 1153 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,040 since January 1998, 1154 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,280 sat on the floor of my grandparents' living room 1155 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,640 in Alperton, North West London, 1156 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:48,000 listening to Nanaji and Nanima laugh at episode one of Goodness Gracious Me. 1157 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,000 And for just over a decade, 1158 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,320 I have had the absurd privilege of calling it my career. 1159 00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,560 But it's not the job. 1160 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:00,600 Not any more. 1161 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,280 And it never will be again, I hope. 1162 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,680 The job, as I understand it, 1163 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,040 is what Nanaji understood the job to be. 1164 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,320 He was a good husband 1165 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,320 and a good father 1166 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,240 for the people who needed him to be 1167 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,240 when they needed him to be. 1168 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,240 He was the best of men. 1169 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,720 And I am now, in front of you, 1170 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,560 the World's Best Dressed Man. 1171 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,640 [laughter and applause] 1172 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,240 Because I get to stand in front of you and tell his story 1173 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,560 while wearing his waistcoat. 1174 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,520 Because I am finally dressed for the job I want. 1175 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,880 And it will be the hardest job of a lifetime. 1176 00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,320 [in Gujarati] But with you, Nanaji, 1177 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,360 I'll be able to do it, I hope. 1178 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,680 Sorry. "Hope…" 1179 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,760 [laughter] 1180 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,840 [cheering and applause] 1181 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:20,640 Thank you very much. 1182 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,400 [Qawwali music playing] 1183 01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:59,760 [music ends] 101233

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