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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 2 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,020 BASTIAN: So, it was in the winter of 2015, 3 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,090 I was at the house with my parents, 4 00:00:26,110 --> 00:00:29,140 with my wife and my kids. 5 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,010 And everybody was sick, so really sick. 6 00:00:32,030 --> 00:00:35,180 I was the last one standing. 7 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,180 Then I got this first ping, this first message from a person who 8 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:44,090 called himself John Doe, and asked if I would be interested 9 00:00:44,110 --> 00:00:45,070 in data. 10 00:01:33,230 --> 00:01:35,170 NEWS REPORTER 1: We turn now to the bombshell causing shockwaves 11 00:01:35,190 --> 00:01:38,080 around the world, the so-called Panama Papers. 12 00:01:41,180 --> 00:01:43,090 NEWS REPORTER 2: What may be the largest leak of secret documents 13 00:01:43,110 --> 00:01:44,080 in history. 14 00:01:47,060 --> 00:01:49,030 NEWS REPORTER 3: Massive document leak allegedly showing 15 00:01:49,050 --> 00:01:51,190 how world leaders and the mega-rich hide billions 16 00:01:51,210 --> 00:01:52,190 of dollars. 17 00:01:55,220 --> 00:01:58,120 NEWS REPORTER 4: A new report which finds eight billionaires 18 00:01:58,140 --> 00:02:01,230 own as much wealth as the poorest half of the 19 00:02:02,010 --> 00:02:02,200 world's population. 20 00:02:05,140 --> 00:02:07,120 NEWS REPORTER 5: The papers paint a picture of wide-spread 21 00:02:07,140 --> 00:02:09,000 corruption and tax evasion. 22 00:02:12,180 --> 00:02:13,200 NEWS REPORTER 6: Now we have journalists stepping in, 23 00:02:13,220 --> 00:02:16,120 trying to tear down those barriers of secrecy and exposing 24 00:02:16,140 --> 00:02:18,090 what is happening behind closed doors. 25 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000 NEWS REPORTER 7: The revelation now kicking off a 26 00:02:23,020 --> 00:02:23,210 world-wide investigation. 27 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,060 NEWS REPORTER 8: The whole issue here is about secrecy. 28 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,130 People can create shell corporations and secretly move 29 00:02:31,150 --> 00:02:32,120 money around. 30 00:02:35,020 --> 00:02:36,160 NEWS REPORTER 9: World-wide estimates suggest tens of 31 00:02:36,180 --> 00:02:39,010 trillions of dollars are hidden in off-shore accounts. 32 00:02:42,220 --> 00:02:44,170 NEWS REPORTER 10: What's really shocking is the fact that twelve 33 00:02:44,190 --> 00:02:48,020 current or former heads of state are being accused in 34 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,020 these papers. 35 00:02:52,050 --> 00:02:53,220 NEWS REPORTER 11: A journalist investigating the Panama Papers 36 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,140 has been killed, sending other journalists into hiding for fear 37 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,140 of their safety. 38 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,010 NEWS REPORTER 12: The law firm is denying any wrongdoing, 39 00:03:03,030 --> 00:03:05,180 but this scandal, the Panama Papers, 40 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,180 is just beginning. 41 00:03:41,210 --> 00:03:45,160 JOHN: My viewpoint is entirely my own. 42 00:03:45,180 --> 00:03:49,180 Income inequality is one of the defining issues of our time. 43 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,150 It affects all of us, the world over. 44 00:03:53,170 --> 00:03:55,230 Still, questions remain. 45 00:03:56,010 --> 00:03:57,010 Why? 46 00:03:57,030 --> 00:03:59,080 And why now? 47 00:03:59,100 --> 00:04:01,030 The Panama Papers provide a compelling answer to 48 00:04:01,050 --> 00:04:02,190 these questions. 49 00:04:02,210 --> 00:04:05,230 Massive, pervasive corruption. 50 00:04:06,010 --> 00:04:08,230 It's not a coincidence that the answers come from a law firm. 51 00:04:09,010 --> 00:04:13,040 Mossack Fonseca used its influence to write and bend laws 52 00:04:13,060 --> 00:04:17,090 worldwide to favor the interest of criminals over a period 53 00:04:17,110 --> 00:04:19,120 of decades. 54 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,210 BASTIAN: In the first day and the first days, 55 00:04:36,230 --> 00:04:41,200 it was so fascinating because this window in our world opened 56 00:04:41,220 --> 00:04:46,200 where nobody had ever looked in. 57 00:04:46,220 --> 00:04:48,080 I always wanted to write. 58 00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:50,200 Um, I wanted to become a novelist, 59 00:04:50,220 --> 00:04:55,160 but that didn't really work out, so I intended to become a 60 00:04:55,180 --> 00:04:57,020 sports writer. 61 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,140 And that also didn't work out, and here I am, so... 62 00:05:06,030 --> 00:05:09,130 BASTIAN: Well, I think it's, um, more or less the defense for 63 00:05:09,150 --> 00:05:12,070 injustice in some way. 64 00:05:12,090 --> 00:05:15,170 We founded our own paper in Rosenheim, 65 00:05:15,190 --> 00:05:18,170 where I come from, because we had the feeling that all the 66 00:05:18,190 --> 00:05:23,230 media there are very much right-wing orientated and that 67 00:05:24,010 --> 00:05:26,170 your important stories are not really told. 68 00:05:30,060 --> 00:05:33,010 The fact that the data of Mossack Fonseca, 69 00:05:33,030 --> 00:05:36,090 which I knew as a black hole. 70 00:05:36,110 --> 00:05:38,180 They work with all kinds of criminals. 71 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,060 You know, they all hold the information that people who want 72 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,180 to keep their secrets put in there to disappear from 73 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,030 the public. 74 00:05:45,050 --> 00:05:47,180 So I knew the company, and I thought, 75 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,220 you know, this guy has access to the inner stuff of 76 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,070 Mossack Fonseca. 77 00:05:52,090 --> 00:05:54,170 I'm the guy who wants to have it. 78 00:06:18,050 --> 00:06:20,190 KATRIN: Mossack Fonseca is a law firm from Panama, 79 00:06:20,210 --> 00:06:25,000 and their business is secrecy. 80 00:06:25,020 --> 00:06:27,070 If you have about a thousand euros, 81 00:06:27,090 --> 00:06:28,230 you can buy an offshore company, it's quite easy, 82 00:06:29,010 --> 00:06:31,080 and then you can even buy, like, 83 00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:35,070 shame directors which means that all the business you do, 84 00:06:35,090 --> 00:06:38,220 someone else is signing, someone else is "doing the business". 85 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,030 So no one actually knows that you own stuff, 86 00:06:42,050 --> 00:06:44,040 and you can hide all your businesses. 87 00:06:46,010 --> 00:06:49,110 There's a world that is only accessible for the powerful and 88 00:06:49,130 --> 00:06:51,230 the richest, where they hide their money, 89 00:06:52,010 --> 00:06:54,200 where they enable money laundering, 90 00:06:54,220 --> 00:06:58,070 corruption, and actually, the plundering of all continents. 91 00:06:58,090 --> 00:07:04,060 NEWS REPORTER 13: Since 2015, the richest one percent have 92 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,130 been more wealthy than the rest of the world's 93 00:07:07,150 --> 00:07:09,080 population combined. 94 00:07:09,100 --> 00:07:12,170 Now Oxfam says the poorest 10% have seen their income increase 95 00:07:12,190 --> 00:07:19,000 by less than $3 a year between 1988 and 2011. 96 00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:22,040 BASTIAN: If we have streets that are in not a good condition, 97 00:07:22,060 --> 00:07:26,040 if we do not have enough preschool places or good schools 98 00:07:26,060 --> 00:07:29,120 or if we do have to pay too much money for universities, 99 00:07:29,140 --> 00:07:32,040 that is due to the fact that there's so many people out there 100 00:07:32,060 --> 00:07:35,080 that are avoiding and evading taxes. 101 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:38,050 That's a problem that is concerning every country all 102 00:07:38,070 --> 00:07:40,040 around the world, and every one of us. 103 00:07:49,230 --> 00:07:52,050 BASTIAN: In the first days, it didn't seem like this is the 104 00:07:52,070 --> 00:07:56,210 biggest leak in history of journalism. 105 00:07:56,230 --> 00:07:59,160 It only was, this seems to be a really good story. 106 00:08:01,150 --> 00:08:04,170 FREDERIK: The amount of data that Bastian and me received 107 00:08:04,190 --> 00:08:05,200 grew and grew. 108 00:08:05,220 --> 00:08:07,210 It was really like an addiction. 109 00:08:07,230 --> 00:08:10,170 I spent night and day clicking through the data. 110 00:08:12,110 --> 00:08:16,090 FREDERIK: When we then found the first names of heads of state 111 00:08:16,110 --> 00:08:20,010 heads of government. 112 00:08:20,030 --> 00:08:22,020 We found, you know, the best friend of Vladimir Putin. 113 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:27,190 We found the Icelandic Prime Minister. 114 00:08:27,210 --> 00:08:30,140 Even celebrities. 115 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,050 We always found something that I thought this is really 116 00:08:32,070 --> 00:08:33,190 worth reporting. 117 00:08:37,110 --> 00:08:41,050 If you find money tied to Bashar Al-Assad, 118 00:08:41,070 --> 00:08:44,140 and to Vladimir Putin, and to other dictators, 119 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:49,190 then you somehow have the feeling maybe it's not a good 120 00:08:49,210 --> 00:08:51,100 idea that only I know. 121 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,100 Some colleagues asked us, actually, 122 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,020 are you crazy sharing a scoop? 123 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,070 Giving away something our newspaper could have alone? 124 00:08:59,090 --> 00:09:04,110 But by sharing, we enabled this investigation to be something 125 00:09:04,130 --> 00:09:07,020 big and to make our investigations better. 126 00:09:12,220 --> 00:09:15,220 FREDERIK: So we reached out to the ICIJ in Washington and 127 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,050 tracked the data. 128 00:09:23,010 --> 00:09:25,030 MARINA: ICIJ was created 20 years ago, 129 00:09:25,050 --> 00:09:29,150 and we can say that its mission is to defeat the traditional 130 00:09:29,170 --> 00:09:35,070 model of the lone wolf investigative reporter. 131 00:09:35,090 --> 00:09:39,050 The lone wolf investigative reporter is all for herself or 132 00:09:39,070 --> 00:09:43,150 himself, and so ICIJ was created as a network of investigative 133 00:09:43,170 --> 00:09:47,050 reporters in more than 60 countries who collaborate on 134 00:09:47,070 --> 00:09:51,020 stories that are too complex, and that need to be told from a 135 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,210 collective perspective, from a collaborative perspective, 136 00:09:53,230 --> 00:09:55,230 that need to be told across borders, 137 00:09:56,010 --> 00:09:57,020 in collaboration. 138 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,080 The general meeting is at 3:45. 139 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:04,000 I am originally from Argentina. 140 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:07,040 I went into journalism fairly young at 18, 141 00:10:07,060 --> 00:10:09,080 decided to be a journalist. 142 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:13,080 I saw a lot of, uh, inequality in my country growing up, 143 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:17,080 a lot of corruption, and I wanted to do something about it, 144 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:19,080 but not from an activist point of view, 145 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:21,070 but from a journalistic point of view. 146 00:10:23,030 --> 00:10:26,050 MARINA: When we started receiving the data from 147 00:10:26,070 --> 00:10:30,060 Süddeutsche Zeitung and analyzing it and realizing that 148 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,130 it was connected to 200 countries, 149 00:10:32,150 --> 00:10:35,140 that there were thousands of public figures and prime 150 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,060 ministers and presidents and princesses and queens, 151 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,160 and we have to do the biggest investigation we have ever done 152 00:10:43,180 --> 00:10:45,130 to do justice to this data. 153 00:10:45,150 --> 00:10:48,130 GERARD: I have to admit, my first thought was skepticism 154 00:10:48,150 --> 00:10:50,040 because I thought, well, we've done these stories on 155 00:10:50,060 --> 00:10:51,000 off-shore before. 156 00:10:51,020 --> 00:10:52,210 We've done, I think at that stage, 157 00:10:52,230 --> 00:10:55,090 four or five of them, and I was wondering how it was gonna be 158 00:10:55,110 --> 00:10:57,090 possible to get all the media partners interested in doing 159 00:10:57,110 --> 00:11:00,080 another story about off-shore, but we really had cracked the 160 00:11:00,100 --> 00:11:01,140 off-shore. 161 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,140 Well, even though we had done previous stories, 162 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,130 we didn't have this kind of information before, 163 00:11:04,150 --> 00:11:07,030 and I really thought it was a breakthrough. 164 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,020 EMILIA: 11.5 million documents. 165 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,030 You have all these complex kind of documents, 166 00:11:14,050 --> 00:11:17,100 some that you familiarize with, but sometimes you also have 167 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,150 databases within them. 168 00:11:18,170 --> 00:11:20,180 MATTHEW: They were mostly emails, 169 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,140 PDFs and everything else, but because there were so many 170 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,010 millions of documents, we had to make it easy for journalists to 171 00:11:26,030 --> 00:11:28,140 search through them by using data sets, 172 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,050 for example, all the clients of Mossack Fonseca, 173 00:11:32,070 --> 00:11:35,100 all the intermediaries, clients per country, 174 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,210 and so on. 175 00:11:36,230 --> 00:11:39,100 BASTIAN: Every company has a number and a folder, 176 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,040 so it's very easy to navigate, actually, 177 00:11:41,060 --> 00:11:43,030 in the original data. 178 00:11:43,050 --> 00:11:47,020 EMILIA: Then we upload it to a platform that we call 179 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,060 "Blacklight", and this becomes like, 180 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,190 Google, where you have a search box. 181 00:11:52,210 --> 00:11:56,100 So you're actually able to figure out what are some names 182 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,230 of people of public interest in your country are present in 183 00:12:00,010 --> 00:12:01,200 that data. 184 00:12:01,220 --> 00:12:04,100 GERARD: One big danger here was that someone was feeding us the 185 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,110 documents and then would perhaps slip in some false information 186 00:12:07,130 --> 00:12:08,110 into the documents. 187 00:12:08,130 --> 00:12:10,140 We wanted to make sure that wasn't happening. 188 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,100 We had done some work on Mossack Fonseca in the past, 189 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,100 so we actually had a set of documents that we could compare 190 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,030 the information we were getting from the new source, 191 00:12:19,050 --> 00:12:21,150 the John Doe source, with what we had before. 192 00:12:21,170 --> 00:12:24,190 So my, you know, early stage was to to keep questioning 193 00:12:24,210 --> 00:12:27,070 everything and to make sure that we were jumping every hurdle. 194 00:12:27,090 --> 00:12:32,150 EMILIA: We decided to reconstruct a database of the 195 00:12:32,170 --> 00:12:37,110 companies and the shareholders connected to Mossack Fonseca. 196 00:12:37,130 --> 00:12:41,080 It's called Linkurious, and you just start typing people's 197 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:42,200 names, or companies' names. 198 00:12:42,220 --> 00:12:45,020 You will get a circle called a node, 199 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,080 and if you click on it, it start expanding, 200 00:12:48,100 --> 00:12:52,080 and then you will be able to see how many companies a person is 201 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:56,040 connected to or who are the shareholders behind a company. 202 00:12:56,060 --> 00:13:00,000 MARINA: We literally took months to make available this 203 00:13:00,020 --> 00:13:03,040 information to the journalists, and we were making it available 204 00:13:03,060 --> 00:13:05,200 in batches up until the very end. 205 00:13:05,220 --> 00:13:09,150 I think the last batch of information of documents was 206 00:13:09,170 --> 00:13:13,000 released perhaps a couple of months before publication. 207 00:13:25,070 --> 00:13:26,120 MARINA: You don't just call great reporters that you have 208 00:13:26,140 --> 00:13:27,180 heard of. 209 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,210 You have to call people that you know you can work with who are 210 00:13:31,230 --> 00:13:34,230 excellent reporters, but also people that you can trust. 211 00:13:42,150 --> 00:13:46,020 We had been getting to know the team at McClatchy, 212 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,090 and they ticked every box. 213 00:13:48,110 --> 00:13:50,060 They really wanted to work as a team. 214 00:13:53,070 --> 00:13:55,100 KEVIN: Who's surprised that bad guys hide their money? 215 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,140 You know, nobody was saying that was the surprise. 216 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,060 The surprise is, yeah, you pull this veil back and you see this 217 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,190 is how they do it. 218 00:14:02,210 --> 00:14:04,120 Everything you thought was happening, 219 00:14:04,140 --> 00:14:05,230 here's the evidence. 220 00:14:06,010 --> 00:14:07,140 It is. 221 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,050 Yeah, because of... 222 00:14:09,070 --> 00:14:11,140 I'm a former South America Bureau Chief for the company, 223 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,120 and Mossack Fonseca is a Latin company, 224 00:14:14,140 --> 00:14:18,100 Latin clients, and so it was an area that I could help with. 225 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,180 I grew up in-in Ecuador as a child. 226 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,100 I grew up a little different than most Americans because I 227 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,100 saw the poverty, I saw kids with no legs begging in front of the 228 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,090 soccer stadium on Saturdays, and so you know this different world 229 00:14:31,110 --> 00:14:35,060 exists, but to have it so spelled out clearly where you 230 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,230 can see. 231 00:14:38,010 --> 00:14:39,190 You can start to see these connections, 232 00:14:39,210 --> 00:14:42,060 and then the rest of it is kind of the legwork. 233 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,190 Okay, you know they have an offshore account, 234 00:14:43,210 --> 00:14:45,230 so what? 235 00:14:46,010 --> 00:14:47,120 You know, what do you do from there? 236 00:14:47,140 --> 00:14:49,100 What more can you say about that? 237 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,150 MARISA: Usually as a, as a reporter, 238 00:14:57,170 --> 00:15:02,020 you have tips, you have some kind of roadmap of where you 239 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,110 want to go with a story. 240 00:15:03,130 --> 00:15:07,040 With this, we had absolutely no roadmap. 241 00:15:10,090 --> 00:15:12,190 We weren't the big guys, you know? 242 00:15:12,210 --> 00:15:16,120 We were the ones who tried to break stories that the big guys 243 00:15:16,140 --> 00:15:17,200 didn't have. 244 00:15:17,220 --> 00:15:20,110 We were the, the underdogs, to some degree. 245 00:15:20,130 --> 00:15:23,210 It was also something that we had to kind of sell to our 246 00:15:23,230 --> 00:15:27,120 company at the time, because they had decided that they were 247 00:15:27,140 --> 00:15:29,230 gonna shut their foreign bureaus. 248 00:15:30,010 --> 00:15:32,210 They were wondering what value, 249 00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:35,200 foreign news would have to their readers. 250 00:15:35,220 --> 00:15:40,080 Why are people gonna care that the rich don't pay their taxes 251 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:42,160 and crooks are crooks? 252 00:15:42,180 --> 00:15:45,200 Everyone knows that. 253 00:15:45,220 --> 00:15:49,210 What he didn't understand is that this was such an enormous 254 00:15:49,230 --> 00:15:52,070 amount of data, it was revealing a, 255 00:15:52,090 --> 00:15:53,120 a whole world. 256 00:15:53,140 --> 00:15:56,040 It wasn't just a story about offshores; 257 00:15:56,060 --> 00:15:58,000 It was, it was the goods. 258 00:15:58,020 --> 00:16:00,160 We had the goods on how it worked. 259 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,000 JÓHANNES: I'm a nerd about journalism. 260 00:16:13,020 --> 00:16:15,120 I had been a journalist for over 15 years, 261 00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:20,120 and I look at myself as a person that wants to be the 262 00:16:20,140 --> 00:16:24,220 pipeline for minority groups to publish their story, 263 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,090 to ask questions inside the government and find answers for 264 00:16:29,110 --> 00:16:30,080 those groups. 265 00:16:33,220 --> 00:16:35,080 JÓHANNES: I got a call from Marina Walker, 266 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:37,170 the Deputy Director of ICIJ. 267 00:16:37,190 --> 00:16:40,210 She asked me, do-do you want to work on a leak? 268 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:46,220 And we have a lot of Icelandic names in the leak. 269 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,180 And we have your prime minister there and his wife. 270 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,200 And at that moment, uh, everything froze in front of me. 271 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,140 I thought to myself, wow, this is going to be a bomb here 272 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,150 in Iceland. 273 00:17:01,170 --> 00:17:04,190 Nobody knew about his offshore company called Wintris. 274 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,210 If you Googled Wintris before the Panama Papers, 275 00:17:09,230 --> 00:17:14,000 you couldn't find anything, and the prime minister hadn't been 276 00:17:14,020 --> 00:17:17,140 transparent about his involvement into the 277 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,060 offshore world. 278 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,140 Ladies and gentlemen, it's a pleasure for me to be here today 279 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,200 at Iceland Investment Forum. 280 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:28,110 It takes time for any given country to resurface from 281 00:17:28,130 --> 00:17:32,190 political turmoil after a large-scale economic crisis. 282 00:17:32,210 --> 00:17:34,230 We've already made significant progress, 283 00:17:35,010 --> 00:17:38,020 and I'm convinced that the policy this government has put 284 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,190 forward is a sound one, and that is what bring further benefits. 285 00:17:42,210 --> 00:17:45,230 I have to admit that when you hear the prime minister is 286 00:17:46,010 --> 00:17:50,010 involved, his wife and other big business, 287 00:17:50,030 --> 00:17:52,160 people in Iceland very powerful people, 288 00:17:52,180 --> 00:17:56,100 then you start to think about what will happen? 289 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:59,150 Hope to see you and your money in Iceland. 290 00:18:05,020 --> 00:18:06,050 GERARD: At this point, we continue on to London, 291 00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:10,040 and I met with The Guardian, because I knew if they were 292 00:18:10,060 --> 00:18:12,190 involved that it'd be easier to convince other media partners to 293 00:18:12,210 --> 00:18:14,140 get involved. 294 00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:17,200 LUKE: This was a really important leak. 295 00:18:17,220 --> 00:18:21,080 I think, I think we've had three super leaks this century so far. 296 00:18:23,180 --> 00:18:26,110 We have Wikileaks where we got the kind of unmediated view 297 00:18:26,130 --> 00:18:28,110 of the most powerful country on Earth, 298 00:18:28,130 --> 00:18:29,160 the United States. 299 00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:31,120 NEWS REPORTER 14: The biggest leak of U.S. 300 00:18:31,140 --> 00:18:32,160 military secrets ever. 301 00:18:32,180 --> 00:18:35,160 Website Wikileaks hit the "send" button on some 400,000 302 00:18:35,180 --> 00:18:37,230 sensitive documents about the Iraq war. 303 00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:41,040 LUKE: Then we had Snowden who came along, 304 00:18:41,060 --> 00:18:44,090 who proved that all of our data is being collected all the time, 305 00:18:44,110 --> 00:18:46,000 that we're being surveilled. 306 00:18:46,020 --> 00:18:49,010 I, sitting at my desk, uh, certainly had the authorities 307 00:18:49,030 --> 00:18:53,170 to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal 308 00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:56,050 judge to even the President, if I had a personal email. 309 00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:58,140 LUKE: He sort of lifted what I would call mass surveillance. 310 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,130 And then we had the Panama Papers. 311 00:19:01,150 --> 00:19:05,200 We had emails, uh, between the law firm and what they called 312 00:19:05,220 --> 00:19:08,050 their clients, which typically meant other intermediaries, 313 00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:11,030 banks, lawyers, accountants all over the world. 314 00:19:11,050 --> 00:19:14,040 We had passport scans and we had kind of incorporation documents, 315 00:19:14,060 --> 00:19:17,090 we had a lot of postage stamps from these very 316 00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:19,010 exotic locations. 317 00:19:19,030 --> 00:19:20,170 Pretty much all of it was set up so that no one can kind of 318 00:19:20,190 --> 00:19:21,230 peer inside. 319 00:19:22,010 --> 00:19:25,180 And, and suddenly, we had a kind of treasure trove of stuff. 320 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,200 I've been on The Guardian for about 20 years. 321 00:19:27,220 --> 00:19:29,230 12 years as a foreign correspondent bouncing around 322 00:19:30,010 --> 00:19:31,220 the world: Afghanistan, Iraq, Berlin, 323 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,020 and then I was placed into Moscow, 324 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,170 where I kind of really plunged into what you might call kind of 325 00:19:36,190 --> 00:19:38,210 post-Soviet muck. 326 00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:42,010 Corruption, espionage, Vladimir Putin, 327 00:19:42,030 --> 00:19:46,000 his money, question mark, and so on. 328 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,150 JULIETTE: You're not just going in, 329 00:19:50,170 --> 00:19:51,220 going oh, look, you know, here's the whole story in black and 330 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,020 white for me. 331 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,110 It's a lot of detective work, of, 332 00:19:54,130 --> 00:19:58,140 of painstaking piecing together. 333 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,190 You don't just dump stuff. 334 00:20:02,210 --> 00:20:06,090 You find the narratives, you make them matter to people. 335 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,180 I joined The Guardian in 2011 as telecoms correspondent, 336 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,030 and, because I speak French, I was pulled into an investigation 337 00:20:14,050 --> 00:20:17,030 into HSBC Bank, and its Swiss operation, 338 00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:19,160 which was the first ICIJ investigation that I'd 339 00:20:19,180 --> 00:20:20,230 worked on. 340 00:20:21,010 --> 00:20:22,060 NEWS REPORTER 15: The massive investigation by media outlets 341 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,150 including France's Le Monde and Britain's Guardian Newspaper. 342 00:20:25,170 --> 00:20:29,030 They've revealed that HSBC Swiss private banking arm has helped 343 00:20:29,050 --> 00:20:31,150 thousands of wealthy clients to evade tax. 344 00:20:31,170 --> 00:20:33,190 JULIETTE: It was a big story over here, 345 00:20:33,210 --> 00:20:37,160 and then I, I got brought in to do the Panama Papers a few month 346 00:20:37,180 --> 00:20:39,150 after that. 347 00:20:45,090 --> 00:20:47,070 MATTHEW: I knew that there were companies in Malta that were 348 00:20:47,090 --> 00:20:51,020 using Mossack Fonseca to set up companies in Panama for their 349 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:56,170 clients, but what I never imagined was that I would find 350 00:20:56,190 --> 00:21:00,210 the name of a cabinet minister in there. 351 00:21:00,230 --> 00:21:03,190 There were three companies that were set up. 352 00:21:03,210 --> 00:21:07,030 The names of Konrad Mizzi and of Konrad Mizzi's wife, 353 00:21:07,050 --> 00:21:10,200 Sai Mizzi, and Konrad Mizzi's children appeared in 354 00:21:10,220 --> 00:21:13,110 the documentation. 355 00:21:13,130 --> 00:21:17,200 There were never any names given for the third company, Egrant. 356 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:23,000 My mother, through a different sources, 357 00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:28,070 one of who worked in a bank where documentation related to 358 00:21:28,090 --> 00:21:32,090 this third company was kept, worked out that the shares were 359 00:21:32,110 --> 00:21:35,010 being held in the name of the Prime Minister's wife, 360 00:21:35,030 --> 00:21:38,010 Michelle Muscat. 361 00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:40,220 I think that's when we realized that what we were dealing with 362 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,170 in Malta was a system of state capture, 363 00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:47,120 that every institution of the state has been captured by 364 00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:49,070 this gang. 365 00:21:49,090 --> 00:21:51,090 They're laundering money, they're laundering campaign 366 00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:54,210 funding, and they're going to go to prison for a long time. 367 00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:57,030 I was sure of that at the time. 368 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,220 WOMAN 1: This is all about secrecy and the ability to hide 369 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,170 your money, your assets. 370 00:22:06,190 --> 00:22:08,180 LUKE: The rich and the super-rich, 371 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,060 together with most sort of multi-national corporations, 372 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,100 essentially exited quietly, sort of slipped off stage from the 373 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:18,010 messy business of-of-of universal taxation some 374 00:22:18,030 --> 00:22:20,010 time ago. 375 00:22:23,010 --> 00:22:24,230 Before I started work on the Panama Papers, 376 00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:27,220 I thought that offshore was a kind of small, 377 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,070 minor, who cares, you know, little aspect of the economic 378 00:22:31,090 --> 00:22:33,190 system we knew not so much about, 379 00:22:33,210 --> 00:22:35,190 and after reading the Panama Papers, 380 00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:37,180 I realized it is the economic system. 381 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,100 It is the system. 382 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,220 Eight trillion dollars is stuffed in tax havens, 383 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,010 western countries, including the U.S., 384 00:22:44,030 --> 00:22:46,200 are losing about 200 billion dollars a year in tax revenues. 385 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,210 PAUL: We were still debating, at that time, 386 00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:56,050 whether tax avoidance was a matter of public interest or 387 00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:58,110 not, or could you simply do what you liked with your money? 388 00:22:58,130 --> 00:23:00,120 But what it did establish for us, 389 00:23:00,140 --> 00:23:03,040 the scale of it, it just showed you there were underground 390 00:23:03,060 --> 00:23:06,150 rivers of money washing around the globe unbeknownst to 391 00:23:06,170 --> 00:23:08,110 most people. 392 00:23:08,130 --> 00:23:11,230 MARINA: We are writing about an incredibly damaging part of our 393 00:23:12,010 --> 00:23:16,070 economy that has become so central and so mainstream that 394 00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:20,000 it's creating French revolution levels of inequality 395 00:23:20,020 --> 00:23:22,000 and injustice. 396 00:23:24,060 --> 00:23:29,020 And the challenge we have is to be able to bring this story home 397 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,070 to people, to show them that this story matters to you, 398 00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:36,110 affects your life, and guess what? 399 00:23:36,130 --> 00:23:39,140 You are the victim in this story. 400 00:24:08,130 --> 00:24:09,120 JOHN: Decisions have been made that 401 00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:12,110 have spared the wealthy, while focusing instead on 402 00:24:12,130 --> 00:24:16,030 reining in middle and low-income citizens. 403 00:24:17,170 --> 00:24:20,010 The collective impact of these failures has been a complete 404 00:24:20,030 --> 00:24:23,090 erosion of ethical standards, ultimately leading to a novel 405 00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:26,210 system we still call capitalism, but which is tantamount to 406 00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:30,180 economic slavery. 407 00:24:31,150 --> 00:24:34,090 Hopelessly backward and inefficient courts have failed. 408 00:24:34,110 --> 00:24:36,200 Judges have too often acquiesced to the arguments of the rich 409 00:24:36,220 --> 00:24:41,010 whose lawyers, and not just Mossack Fonseca, 410 00:24:41,030 --> 00:24:43,150 are well-trained in honoring the letter of the law while 411 00:24:43,170 --> 00:24:46,170 simultaneously doing everything in their power to desecrate 412 00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:49,050 its spirit. 413 00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:50,050 BEN ON PHONE: Leave your number, and I will get back to you as 414 00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:51,050 soon as I can. 415 00:24:51,070 --> 00:24:52,060 Thank you very much. 416 00:24:52,220 --> 00:24:53,160 KEVIN: Ben, hey, it's Kevin. 417 00:24:53,180 --> 00:24:56,020 Since we have outstanding matters, 418 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:56,200 give me a shout back. 419 00:24:56,220 --> 00:24:58,220 Bye. 420 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,050 One of the things that is particularly interesting about 421 00:25:01,070 --> 00:25:04,110 the Panama Papers is you have all the email traffic, 422 00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:07,060 all these different people who appear in these email threads 423 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,220 going back and forth on how to handle something. 424 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,060 You see their personalities and who in the Compliance 425 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,090 Department, who is more serious about really cracking down and 426 00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:20,140 the tension between management and compliance. 427 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,050 So at one point, the Geneva office basically says, 428 00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:28,110 you know, they-they found that you've got a Syrian tied to a, 429 00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:32,070 to Bashar Al-Assad whose now under sanction and everything at 430 00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:36,140 the time of these emails, and the Geneva office says, 431 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,030 well, HSBC's still working with him so I don't see why 432 00:25:40,050 --> 00:25:41,230 we shouldn't. 433 00:25:42,010 --> 00:25:45,040 You know, so you kinda see what their thinking is. 434 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:49,080 You know, they're willing to work with bad money, 435 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:53,180 they just have to be clean about it. 436 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,030 JACK: The customer said, I need to do the following in terms of 437 00:25:57,050 --> 00:25:58,090 hiding money. 438 00:25:58,110 --> 00:26:00,000 Will you do it for me? 439 00:26:00,020 --> 00:26:02,150 And Mossack Fonseca, these are all on the records, 440 00:26:02,170 --> 00:26:06,050 would say sure, we'll give you a Panamanian corporation, 441 00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:09,110 a trust a bank account somewhere else, 442 00:26:09,130 --> 00:26:10,140 and not to worry. 443 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,170 Nobody will follow the trail. 444 00:26:17,170 --> 00:26:21,060 So simplified, it would explain how the system works in a really 445 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,140 understandable way. 446 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,230 I worked on a case involving a drug trafficker in the 447 00:26:27,010 --> 00:26:28,050 Cayman Islands. 448 00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:32,120 His lawyer in Miami said, go see Joe Blow in the Cayman Islands 449 00:26:32,140 --> 00:26:34,000 and he'll set you up. 450 00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:36,010 AL: We got everything a man could want. 451 00:26:36,030 --> 00:26:39,010 JACK: Joe Blow in the Cayman Islands sets up a corporation, 452 00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:42,000 the corporation opens a bank account. 453 00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:45,160 The guy who is the drug trafficker now puts money in the 454 00:26:45,180 --> 00:26:50,080 bank account and lets the lawyer in Cayman control that 455 00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:51,060 bank account. 456 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,110 There comes a moment six months later... 457 00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:56,000 ACTOR 1: You took out the money. 458 00:26:56,020 --> 00:26:57,120 AL: Yeah. 459 00:26:57,140 --> 00:26:59,120 JACK: He wants to move the money to hide the trail, 460 00:26:59,140 --> 00:27:01,160 and he calls the lawyer and says, 461 00:27:01,180 --> 00:27:04,110 well, we need another bank account in the name of another 462 00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:06,160 corporation, and I want to transfer the money from 463 00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:11,040 Corporation A to Corporation B, and let's do it so the amounts 464 00:27:11,060 --> 00:27:12,020 don't match. 465 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,010 And then, the moment comes when he says, 466 00:27:15,030 --> 00:27:18,020 I want to use the money, and he goes back for the lawyer in 467 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,090 Cayman and he says, we're gonna have the bank that has the 468 00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:26,060 second transfer lend the money to the guy's brother who owns a, 469 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,000 massage parlor in Houston. 470 00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:32,090 That way, it'll look like a loan, non-taxable. 471 00:27:32,110 --> 00:27:33,090 Where did you get it? 472 00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:34,170 I borrowed it. 473 00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:36,210 The whole thing looks like it's perfectly clean 474 00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:38,080 and perfectly okay. 475 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,070 BASTIAN: Hey, how you doing? 476 00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:59,020 I was kind of skeptical because I wasn't a big fan of inviting 477 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,180 so many colleagues. 478 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,180 I thought, you know, maybe 50 or 100 really enough, 479 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:09,130 and we knew around 50 or 100 from previous investigations, 480 00:28:09,150 --> 00:28:11,180 so we trusted them. 481 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:17,180 JOURNALIST: Do they know that you got the data? 482 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,130 Or that it's out there available for someone? 483 00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:28,070 FREDERIK: I wondered if we could keep this whole project secret. 484 00:28:28,090 --> 00:28:31,230 There's one basic rule, and that might sound rude, 485 00:28:32,010 --> 00:28:32,230 but it's important. 486 00:28:33,010 --> 00:28:35,050 That's shut up and encrypt. 487 00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:39,050 We always told our colleagues that you cannot tell anyone. 488 00:28:39,070 --> 00:28:41,150 Not your wife, not your best friend, 489 00:28:41,170 --> 00:28:45,040 nobody, about this project, and you have to encrypt everything. 490 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,020 GERARD: You know, my primary interest at this-this stage of 491 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,100 the investigation was to establish public interest. 492 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,110 So we only were interested in public figures. 493 00:28:56,130 --> 00:28:59,070 You know, politicians, businesspeople, 494 00:28:59,090 --> 00:29:00,230 anyone with a public profile. 495 00:29:01,010 --> 00:29:06,000 And you know, the fastest way to find that out is to give a set 496 00:29:06,020 --> 00:29:08,060 of documents from Indonesia to an Indonesian journalist. 497 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,220 Give a set of documents from Iceland to an 498 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,130 Icelandic journalist. 499 00:29:12,150 --> 00:29:14,170 They would identify pretty quickly who was worth looking at 500 00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:16,140 on this list and who wasn't worth looking at. 501 00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:28,040 JOSEPH: I was angry that I had, nobody had called me, 502 00:29:28,060 --> 00:29:30,040 and I wasn't, I wasn't involved. 503 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:33,030 You know, I have never collaborated in a giant thing 504 00:29:33,050 --> 00:29:34,040 like that. 505 00:29:34,060 --> 00:29:36,120 I collaborate within my newsroom, 506 00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:39,040 sometimes with, like, one, you know, 507 00:29:39,060 --> 00:29:40,010 an outside group. 508 00:29:40,030 --> 00:29:42,160 Most news organizations are not global, 509 00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:44,160 and then I think this becomes much more important because it 510 00:29:44,180 --> 00:29:47,190 seems like more and more, the best stories are global. 511 00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:49,200 This was like a ringing affirmation that you can 512 00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:51,150 actually do it, uh, and you can do it at-at scale. 513 00:29:59,070 --> 00:30:02,160 Then the ICIJ said, for example, we need somebody in Panama. 514 00:30:02,180 --> 00:30:07,080 And I said, I don't trust anybody in Panama. 515 00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:35,170 RITA: When I first looked at the assignment 516 00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:38,220 that we were going to do, I flipped. 517 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,210 And the first document I saw, it was an invoice. 518 00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:42,180 That's when I said, oh, my god. 519 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,190 This is huge, because invoices are probably one of the most, 520 00:30:46,210 --> 00:30:50,180 private documents within a law firm, 521 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,000 and then when I see the names of people I know in the database, 522 00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:58,190 you know, I was really, really, really scared because I knew 523 00:30:58,210 --> 00:31:02,100 what was coming behind that, and I knew the consequences that 524 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,000 this was going to have. 525 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,210 WOMAN 2: Rita Vasquez was also a lawyer in the offshore services 526 00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:12,150 industry for many years, so when we learned that, 527 00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:14,100 we were fascinated. 528 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,140 We had the opportunity to work with an insider who understands 529 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,100 this industry from within. 530 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,120 RITA: Seeing my friends and people that I care for in that 531 00:31:25,140 --> 00:31:28,110 data really made me wanted to go deeper into the project. 532 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,110 As a newspaper organization, it is not our duty to tell if a 533 00:31:35,130 --> 00:31:37,110 private person is doing something wrong with their own 534 00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:40,140 money, but it's our duty to tell if somebody who had access to 535 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,110 public funds or if somebody who had, 536 00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:46,030 be part of a government or had some sort of a jurisdictional 537 00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:49,060 power was doing something wrong. 538 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,170 ROBERTO: The mandate of La Prensa was to return freedom of 539 00:31:57,190 --> 00:32:03,110 expression to the country as an infrastructure for democracy. 540 00:32:03,130 --> 00:32:05,060 In the midst of dictatorship. 541 00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:22,090 ROBERTO: But somehow it worked, and in six months, 542 00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:25,150 we were the newspaper of record of Panama. 543 00:32:25,170 --> 00:32:28,130 When we sat at our first editorial meeting after 544 00:32:28,150 --> 00:32:30,160 everything was set up, we said, well, 545 00:32:30,180 --> 00:32:32,070 how are we gonna handle this? 546 00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:36,170 Do we go softly increasing our pressure or do we hit 'em 547 00:32:36,190 --> 00:32:39,080 straight in the face from day one? 548 00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:40,110 We decided the second. 549 00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:50,160 SCOTT: When we heard Mossack Fonseca, 550 00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:54,010 we knew that we were uniquely positioned within the project 551 00:32:54,030 --> 00:32:56,130 because I played for the Mossack Fonseca softball team in 552 00:32:56,150 --> 00:32:58,050 the BVI. 553 00:32:58,070 --> 00:33:02,170 Four of our closest friends worked for Mossack Fonseca. 554 00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:05,170 And so we had a perspective that out of the journalists, 555 00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:09,060 there were two people that knew the inner workings of that 556 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,050 company better than anybody. 557 00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:16,050 My journalism career was never going to lead to any kind 558 00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:17,130 of greatness. 559 00:33:17,150 --> 00:33:19,090 I was never gonna work for the New York Times. 560 00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:21,090 You know, I was the English editor of La Prensa in Panama. 561 00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:24,120 That's not the sort of things that make a great bio, 562 00:33:24,140 --> 00:33:27,140 and I always compared it to a career minor league pitcher that 563 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:32,070 suddenly you get to start game seven of the World Series. 564 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:33,220 When you find out it's world leaders, 565 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,090 it's drug traffickers. 566 00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:38,150 la Reina Del Sur, who is one of the most famous female 567 00:33:38,170 --> 00:33:41,210 narco-terrorists in history; Carlos Quintero, 568 00:33:41,230 --> 00:33:46,090 who is described as making Pablo Escobar look like a baby. 569 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,130 All of these names that come flooding at you, 570 00:33:50,150 --> 00:33:55,070 and you, your first thought is, how did they get away with this? 571 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,200 BASTIAN: At least that's my assumption. 572 00:34:35,220 --> 00:34:42,070 I mean, we've been working on offshore since, for 2012. 573 00:34:43,170 --> 00:34:46,040 My private explanation, more or less, 574 00:34:46,060 --> 00:34:51,000 is that I know that the source had contact with other outlets, 575 00:34:51,020 --> 00:34:55,120 even before me, and they had not reacted in the way that the 576 00:34:55,140 --> 00:34:58,030 leaker wished they had. 577 00:34:58,180 --> 00:35:00,200 JOSEPH: Some outlets may have passed just because they tend 578 00:35:00,220 --> 00:35:02,230 not to do giant collaborations. 579 00:35:03,010 --> 00:35:05,080 You're devoting some of your best people to something that 580 00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:06,130 might take a year. 581 00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:08,040 That, resources are scarce. 582 00:35:08,060 --> 00:35:11,160 Investigative talent on your payroll is-is scarce, 583 00:35:11,180 --> 00:35:14,090 it's expensive, and you're, you're taking a leap into 584 00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:16,170 something that, from the beginning, 585 00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:18,150 you know is not gonna be an exclusive. 586 00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:23,000 JOHN: The media has failed. 587 00:35:23,020 --> 00:35:26,030 In addition to Süddeutsche Zeitung and ICIJ, 588 00:35:26,050 --> 00:35:29,010 and despite explicit claims to the contrary, 589 00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:32,130 several major media outlets did have editors review documents 590 00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:34,010 for the Panama Papers. 591 00:35:34,030 --> 00:35:36,120 They chose not to cover them. 592 00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:43,170 BASTIAN: There's this probably frustrated person or those 593 00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:49,210 persons, we don't know, trying to reach someone that is 594 00:35:49,230 --> 00:35:51,130 actually listening. 595 00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:53,170 LUKE: I mean, there was a flavor of John Doe's personality. 596 00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:56,010 John Doe was worried about exposure. 597 00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:57,220 He was also kind of worried about his own sort of personal 598 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,130 safety, so we don't know who it is. 599 00:35:59,150 --> 00:36:01,000 It could be a he, it could be a she. 600 00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:02,050 I don't think it's a they. 601 00:36:02,070 --> 00:36:05,000 KEVIN: I don't think anyone benefits, 602 00:36:05,020 --> 00:36:06,210 you know, it's kind of death by a thousand cuts if you give a 603 00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:08,210 little information here, a little information there, 604 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,220 you end up compromising your source, 605 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,020 and so I've kind of pushed back internally, 606 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,110 I think, on that, so that people are more cautious about 607 00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:18,030 what they say about the source. 608 00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:20,100 JOSEPH: There are lots of good reasons for sources to be afraid 609 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,140 of talking to the press. 610 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,020 It can be an enormous risk. 611 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,020 You know, they can get fired, 612 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,230 they can get jailed in some places, 613 00:36:28,010 --> 00:36:29,140 they can get killed. 614 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,060 And so, but one of those reasons is they don't trust the 615 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,070 operational security of the journalist, 616 00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:36,060 and sometimes they're right to be very worried about that, 617 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,060 and they should, you know, if you're a source out there, 618 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,160 you should do your due diligence and pick your 619 00:36:40,180 --> 00:36:41,140 journalist carefully. 620 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,010 JOHN: I've watched as one after another, 621 00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:48,140 whistleblowers and activists in the United States and Europe 622 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,160 have had their lives destroyed, and the circumstances they find 623 00:36:51,180 --> 00:36:54,150 themselves in after shining a light on obvious wrongdoing. 624 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:57,220 NEWS REPORTER 16: Snowden, who was holed up in Hong Kong, 625 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,130 wanted in the U.S., is now in Russia. 626 00:37:00,150 --> 00:37:02,160 JOHN: Edward Snowden is stranded in Moscow, 627 00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:05,150 exiled due to the Obama Administration's decision to 628 00:37:05,170 --> 00:37:08,040 prosecute him under the Espionage Act. 629 00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:11,040 Bradley Birkenfeld was awarded millions for his information 630 00:37:11,060 --> 00:37:14,190 concerning Swiss bank UBS, and was still given a prison 631 00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:16,220 sentence by the Justice Department. 632 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,230 Legitimate whistleblowers who expose unquestionable 633 00:37:20,010 --> 00:37:22,200 wrongdoing, whether insiders or outsiders, 634 00:37:22,220 --> 00:37:25,020 deserve immunity from government retribution. 635 00:37:34,180 --> 00:37:37,190 WOMAN 3: Because of its nature, of how global it was, 636 00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:41,130 we all realized that we need to get together in person, 637 00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:44,010 so Munich was the perfect place, of course, 638 00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:48,100 because we needed to go to the home of Süddeutsche Zeitung. 639 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,090 KEVIN: That, itself, had to stay secret, 640 00:37:50,110 --> 00:37:53,150 so you couldn't say, "I'm in Munich for X." 641 00:37:53,170 --> 00:37:55,120 People will naturally ask, well, you know, 642 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:56,190 what, what are you doing there? 643 00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:57,220 Oh, work meeting or, uh, you had to come up with something that 644 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,040 didn't sound anything like what you were doing there. 645 00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:15,000 BASTIAN: The meeting was kind of the decisive point. 646 00:38:15,020 --> 00:38:19,010 it was more or less our job to make people enthusiastic about 647 00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:20,160 it and to get them on board. 648 00:38:24,070 --> 00:38:25,050 BASTIAN: I was so nervous. 649 00:38:25,070 --> 00:38:26,110 I hadn't slept for three nights because it was, 650 00:38:26,130 --> 00:38:29,200 I mean, I was really, really nervous because I thought if I 651 00:38:29,220 --> 00:38:33,150 mess this up, you know, then this is the big, 652 00:38:33,170 --> 00:38:34,200 the big chance. 653 00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:37,010 The biggest collaboration of investigative journalists... 654 00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:41,010 Sitting in front of more than a hundred journalists showed me 655 00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:44,130 the first time how big this project already was at 656 00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:47,070 that moment. 657 00:38:48,030 --> 00:38:49,010 JULIETTE: It was like the United Nations of journalism, 658 00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:51,180 and I've never experienced anything like it. 659 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,210 We were working on a story, and we were all working on 660 00:38:53,230 --> 00:38:54,220 it together. 661 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,220 EMILIA: Sorry, well, I'm Emilia. 662 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,220 I'm from Venezuela. 663 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,130 I think... 664 00:38:59,150 --> 00:39:02,170 MARINA: We are not, uh, forcing you to do this story. 665 00:39:02,190 --> 00:39:05,020 We are not paying you to do this story. 666 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,070 This is the story, and you need to invest in it, 667 00:39:08,090 --> 00:39:11,100 and you are only going to get out of it as much as you put 668 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,170 into it. 669 00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:16,010 BASTIAN: Everybody was, I'm all in. 670 00:39:16,030 --> 00:39:18,100 I want to know more. 671 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,020 WOMAN 3: It's a time right now in newsrooms of 672 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,100 great uncertainty. 673 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,210 You know, what will be the fate of newspapers, 674 00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:39,000 which used to be the watchdogs of the media. 675 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,020 LUKE: In a time when everyone is broke, 676 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,190 when no one's clicking the ads, where Facebook is taking all our 677 00:39:45,210 --> 00:39:48,150 money, where, where newsrooms are-are just kind of 678 00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:52,030 empty-pocketed... 679 00:39:52,050 --> 00:39:54,100 MARINA: We really had to convince these media 680 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,190 organizations and these journalists to work together, 681 00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:59,100 and we often got responses like, why do we need you? 682 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,000 Or why do we need one another? 683 00:40:01,020 --> 00:40:02,160 We can do it on our own. 684 00:40:02,180 --> 00:40:07,190 And perhaps 10, 15 years ago, it was pre-media crisis and a lot 685 00:40:07,210 --> 00:40:11,070 of newspapers were feeling really strong still, 686 00:40:11,090 --> 00:40:14,090 and they still had foreign correspondents and thought that 687 00:40:14,110 --> 00:40:18,060 they could do it on their own, but as the crisis in the media 688 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,200 took place, and stories became more complex, 689 00:40:21,220 --> 00:40:27,030 as technology evolved, it became obvious that we needed to join 690 00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:31,030 forces, and they learned through the process how much more 691 00:40:31,050 --> 00:40:36,030 impactful and powerful their reporting can become when we 692 00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:39,160 work as a collective. 693 00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:44,050 BASTIAN: We immediately realized the impact of having more people 694 00:40:44,070 --> 00:40:49,030 from different countries inside the investigation because we had 695 00:40:49,050 --> 00:40:51,110 more, more, more findings. 696 00:40:51,130 --> 00:40:53,200 LUKE: Generally, I would say we found the anonymous 697 00:40:53,220 --> 00:40:55,150 international rich. 698 00:40:55,170 --> 00:40:59,040 We, we found Spanish royals, we found a German chicken farmer, 699 00:40:59,060 --> 00:41:02,070 we found a French dentist, we found people who would, 700 00:41:02,090 --> 00:41:04,050 use fake names when dealing with their lawyers, 701 00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:06,050 so instead of saying, you know, you know, 702 00:41:06,070 --> 00:41:08,210 hello, here is Ivan, you know, they would say, 703 00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:10,060 "Hi, it's Harry Potter." 704 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,060 And, and there was correspondents, 705 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,170 you know, dear Harry, your $25,000 706 00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:17,090 has arrived in the Bahamas. 707 00:41:17,110 --> 00:41:19,040 I mean, it was just like the wo- most weird fishing expedition. 708 00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:21,060 I mean, there were fish you would expect, 709 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,050 and there was some very ugly, small fish you didn't expect. 710 00:41:23,070 --> 00:41:25,010 BASTIAN: Whenever I went into the data, 711 00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:26,080 I found something new. 712 00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:29,010 I found scandals in Africa, in Latin America. 713 00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:34,010 SPORTS ANNOUNCER: Messi now, everyone on the edge of their 714 00:41:34,030 --> 00:41:36,080 seats, Messi going for goal! 715 00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:37,090 Oh! 716 00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:40,130 SPORTS ANNOUNCER: He's a man on a mission! 717 00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:42,210 MAN 2: Lionel Messi, his family fortune, 718 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,140 is in the Panama Papers, and is now in the courts. 719 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,020 No one in their right mind in Latin America thought that FIFA 720 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,150 wasn't corrupt. 721 00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:54,100 It was not a surprise to find the FIFA officials. 722 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,050 That was kind of one of, people thought was gonna be in there. 723 00:41:58,070 --> 00:42:00,100 Kids are under contract, 13 or 14, 724 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,230 whether or not they ever become a pro has very little to do with 725 00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:06,200 their talent level, and more to do with which lawyer is screwing 726 00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:08,110 what agent in a business deal. 727 00:42:08,130 --> 00:42:11,110 In Lionel Messi, there's no evidence that he himself had any 728 00:42:11,130 --> 00:42:14,100 hand in any of this, but the people who handle him and the 729 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,070 whole contracts and everything, they did. 730 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,090 GIANNI: And we will restore the image of FIFA and the respect of 731 00:42:22,110 --> 00:42:25,110 FIFA, and everyone in the world will applaud us and will applaud 732 00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:30,080 all of you for what we'll do in FIFA in the future. 733 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,070 LUKE: We found Sergey Roldugin, Putin's best friend, 734 00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:43,080 ostensibly, second-hand car, not very wealthy, 735 00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,150 but we found almost a billion dollars. 736 00:42:45,170 --> 00:42:48,160 It came from Bank Rossiya, which is a kind of crony bank from the 737 00:42:48,180 --> 00:42:53,060 regime in Saint Petersburg, right through to secret offshore 738 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,060 companies, and then a lot of that cash was recycled back into 739 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,230 Russia, including, um, into the wedding resort where Putin's 740 00:43:00,010 --> 00:43:02,100 daughter, Caterina, got married in 2013. 741 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,060 And so from Russia, what we saw was, 742 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,110 in a way, what you might call a kind of neo-feudal system. 743 00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:11,030 You could see how not just Putin's KGB chums were 744 00:43:11,050 --> 00:43:14,120 billionaires, but how the next generation were accumulating 745 00:43:14,140 --> 00:43:18,040 assets, marrying each other, dodging American sanctions and 746 00:43:18,060 --> 00:43:19,120 so on. 747 00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:21,080 BASTIAN: I mean, if you're Vladimir Putin, 748 00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:23,070 you don't go to Mossack Fonseca and say, 749 00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:24,160 "I want a company in my name." 750 00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:27,030 But you'd probably send someone that you trust. 751 00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:29,120 And this is exactly how this world works. 752 00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:36,040 TIM: When you can set up corporations in such a complex 753 00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:39,000 way and changing ownership. 754 00:43:39,020 --> 00:43:41,110 One woman I looked into was Leticia Montoya, 755 00:43:41,130 --> 00:43:45,170 a director in 10,969 corporations. 756 00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:52,040 Think about that. 757 00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:55,060 I mean, she doesn't, has no idea whatsoever what those 758 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,050 corporations do. 759 00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:08,050 RITA: It's just a job, and she's a secretary. 760 00:44:08,070 --> 00:44:12,090 She, I mean, those who went to her house could have seen that 761 00:44:12,110 --> 00:44:16,010 she has no money, she lives in a fisherman community, 762 00:44:16,030 --> 00:44:17,130 not in the city. 763 00:44:17,150 --> 00:44:20,130 I mean, it's not like she made any money on this. 764 00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:27,140 JACK: This has gone on country after country after country. 765 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:32,020 The amounts that are being pulled out are really at the 766 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:37,050 expense of average people who simply can't get services from 767 00:44:37,070 --> 00:44:40,050 their government because the money's been flat stolen. 768 00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:48,180 JACK: I spoke at a conference to the Inter-American Bar 769 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,030 Association in Cochabamba, Bolivia, 770 00:44:52,050 --> 00:44:57,110 and I tried to say, lawyers job is to keep people honest, 771 00:44:57,130 --> 00:45:01,140 and you shouldn't be helping them evade the law or break 772 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,230 the law. 773 00:45:03,010 --> 00:45:05,220 My audience began to laugh at me. 774 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,020 I blew up. 775 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,010 Why do you think you don't have clean water? 776 00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:13,070 Why do you think people are so poor? 777 00:45:13,090 --> 00:45:17,140 It's because you, as a group of professionals, 778 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:22,040 are teaching people how not to be participants in your society. 779 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,160 SCOTT: The fundamental question I ask is, 780 00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:28,230 well, who makes money off this? 781 00:45:29,010 --> 00:45:31,050 Who makes money off this industry? 782 00:45:31,070 --> 00:45:34,040 And obviously, Mossack Fonseca made a lot of money, 783 00:45:34,060 --> 00:45:36,150 and obviously their clients who avoid taxes, 784 00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:40,000 they make a lot of money, but banks also make a lot of money, 785 00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:42,140 financial institutions, Wall Street. 786 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,060 You can't have a major business if you don't have banks 787 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,060 complicit with your business. 788 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,040 TIM: The banks are certainly a key cog in this whole mechanism 789 00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:55,110 set up to create distance between the real owners of the 790 00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:58,040 money and-and-and the corporations that nominally, 791 00:45:58,060 --> 00:46:02,080 have control over it, but banks donate a lot to 792 00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:06,140 politicians, and uh, you know, 793 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,040 there you go. 794 00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:11,200 WOMAN 4: The banks and the accounting firms and the law 795 00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:15,150 firms, they are basically spending all of their resources 796 00:46:15,170 --> 00:46:21,040 in trying to damage national treasuries in creating an 797 00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:26,040 illusion of-of an economic system that works only for the 798 00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:31,160 1%, and they are working to deepen that gap between the 1% 799 00:46:31,180 --> 00:46:34,040 and the rest of the world. 800 00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:55,050 WOMAN 4: We found David Cameron's dad in the data with 801 00:46:55,070 --> 00:46:57,120 his offshore fund. 802 00:46:59,060 --> 00:47:00,010 DAVID: I'm very relaxed about, 803 00:47:00,030 --> 00:47:01,040 publishing these things. 804 00:47:01,060 --> 00:47:04,120 There's no secrets about my status. 805 00:47:04,140 --> 00:47:08,040 I am paid handsomely as your Prime Minister, 806 00:47:08,060 --> 00:47:10,050 and that is my main source of income, 807 00:47:10,070 --> 00:47:13,150 and I have a house I used to live in before I moved into 808 00:47:13,170 --> 00:47:16,000 Downing Street, and I rent that out and I get the income 809 00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:17,030 from that. 810 00:47:17,050 --> 00:47:18,070 I don't have other sources of income, 811 00:47:18,090 --> 00:47:19,210 so there will be no surprises, 812 00:47:19,230 --> 00:47:22,060 in terms of my tax affairs, but I'm very relaxed, 813 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,010 as I've always said. 814 00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:24,160 Nothing's changed. 815 00:47:25,140 --> 00:47:26,020 JULIETTE: It wasn't even a surprise that his dad had had 816 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,030 a fund. 817 00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:29,060 It's just that he wouldn't say he had money in it. 818 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,200 In order to not have the fund taxed in the UK, 819 00:47:31,220 --> 00:47:33,190 you had to have majority of foreign directors on the company 820 00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:35,210 board, so the third was Swiss, a third were, 821 00:47:35,230 --> 00:47:37,230 were in the Bahamas, and-and everything was run out of the 822 00:47:38,010 --> 00:47:40,130 Bahamas, so they had this army of people just assign things 823 00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:42,150 there, so they were pretending to, 824 00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:45,230 devise the investment strategy and trade gold and 825 00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:48,130 bonds and things like that, but all the instructions were coming 826 00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:50,130 by telephone from London. 827 00:47:54,110 --> 00:47:55,160 MAN 2: One of the thing is we found is not only did Mossack 828 00:47:55,180 --> 00:47:59,100 Fonseca have a number of Chinese companies that it registered in 829 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,190 Nevada as shell companies, some of those, 830 00:48:01,210 --> 00:48:03,190 perhaps, to do business in the United States, 831 00:48:03,210 --> 00:48:08,090 but more likely than not, to hide assets somewhere else. 832 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,110 MAN 3: Brazil was one of the, the hottest things, 833 00:48:11,130 --> 00:48:13,120 and having been a correspondent there myself, 834 00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:15,150 I was very interested in working with the Brazilian team. 835 00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:19,080 TIM: We found payoffs to politicians. 836 00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:22,140 More than $700 million in bribes had been paid. 837 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,160 MAN 4: Two-thirds of the country's legislature had been 838 00:48:25,180 --> 00:48:27,070 tied to off-shore companies. 839 00:48:27,090 --> 00:48:30,220 Many of the politicians were using shell companies through 840 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,030 Mossack Fonseca in Nevada to hide assets they owned back in, 841 00:48:34,050 --> 00:48:36,090 in Brazil. 842 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,140 Nobody pays a bribe and says, hey, 843 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,190 here's a bribe. 844 00:48:39,210 --> 00:48:42,130 They do it through consulting fees, 845 00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:44,150 they do it through structured investments, 846 00:48:44,170 --> 00:48:45,170 and they do it through shell companies that pay other 847 00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:46,180 shell companies. 848 00:48:50,110 --> 00:48:54,050 MAN 5: The papers were very clear that this problem is not 849 00:48:54,070 --> 00:48:58,160 limited to small countries in Africa. 850 00:48:58,180 --> 00:49:02,080 The problem is huge here in the United States. 851 00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:07,080 The tax evasion problem is huge here in the United States. 852 00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:09,120 KEVIN: There were a lot of Americans in Panama Papers, 853 00:49:09,140 --> 00:49:11,190 so here's this perception that there weren't. 854 00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:15,080 I think what was missing was a Putin-type big name, 855 00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:18,200 but the very kind of people you'd expect to be in the Panama 856 00:49:18,220 --> 00:49:20,110 Papers were in there. 857 00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:23,080 all kinds of SEC fraud, pump and dump, 858 00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:25,160 penny stocks, and a lot of hedge funds. 859 00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:29,130 Those kinda guys who need that anonymity to make that work. 860 00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:32,110 Those guys are in here in some significant numbers, 861 00:49:32,130 --> 00:49:34,100 and unfortunately, that's gotten easier, 862 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,200 not harder in the aftermath of Trump's election. 863 00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:43,090 DONALD: I am officially running for President of the United 864 00:49:43,110 --> 00:49:49,110 States, and we are going to make our country great again. 865 00:49:51,010 --> 00:49:54,020 BASTIAN: Having Donald Trump as the President of the United 866 00:49:54,040 --> 00:50:00,080 States let me feel a little bit strange knowing that he also had 867 00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:02,120 some offshore deals in his past. 868 00:50:02,140 --> 00:50:05,180 HILLARY: He didn't pay any federal income tax, so-- 869 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,110 DONALD TRUMP: That makes me smart. 870 00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:09,010 HILLARY CLINTON: --if he's paid zero, that's zero for troops-- 871 00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:10,060 MAN 3: Trump is obviously one we were focused on from 872 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,220 the very beginning. 873 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,230 He appeared about 3,450 times that we know of. 874 00:50:15,010 --> 00:50:17,060 That's not to say his partners. 875 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,200 That's just him by name. 876 00:50:19,220 --> 00:50:21,230 The big find was a lot of documents around the 877 00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:24,130 Panama Hotel project. 878 00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:26,180 NEWS REPORTER 17: Trump Ocean Club soars over the Pacific and 879 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,140 Panama City. 880 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,170 It's also where criminals, everywhere from Russian 881 00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:35,090 gangsters to money launderers for Latin American drug cartels 882 00:50:35,110 --> 00:50:38,020 were able to hide their cash. 883 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,180 MAN 3: There we found contract information between him and the 884 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,110 developer, Newland. 885 00:50:42,130 --> 00:50:44,150 One of the things I think that was very helpful in the Panama 886 00:50:44,170 --> 00:50:47,150 Papers is it actually showed Trump's business model. 887 00:50:47,170 --> 00:50:49,110 It was a contract that showed how he got paid, 888 00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:50,230 how his name was leased. 889 00:50:51,010 --> 00:50:53,110 This really wasn't known, and the documents, 890 00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:55,150 here we had physical proof of how, 891 00:50:55,170 --> 00:50:57,150 you know, how he arranges things. 892 00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:59,180 REPORTER 18: As a former money launderer, 893 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,190 the Trump Ocean Club, how would you rate it in its quality. 894 00:51:03,210 --> 00:51:04,190 MAN 4: For money laundering? 895 00:51:04,210 --> 00:51:08,180 MAN 4: Oh, I'd say triple A. 896 00:51:18,050 --> 00:51:20,140 JACK: You get control of the country, 897 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,160 you move your family into all of the important jobs in the 898 00:51:24,180 --> 00:51:28,160 country, and then you use that as an opportunity to 899 00:51:28,180 --> 00:51:30,080 enrich yourself. 900 00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:31,200 NEWS REPORTER 18: The man they credit with Donald Trump's 901 00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:33,160 victory, the President Elect's own son-in-law, 902 00:51:33,180 --> 00:51:34,200 Jared Kushner. 903 00:51:34,220 --> 00:51:38,060 JACK: What's now going on is exactly that, 904 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,230 and what I think is also going on is that our president has 905 00:51:42,010 --> 00:51:46,150 cozied up to any number of these kleptocrats because he wants 906 00:51:46,170 --> 00:51:49,230 Americans to think it's the new normal. 907 00:51:52,220 --> 00:51:54,150 NEWS REPORTER 19: The central figure in the investigations 908 00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:56,230 into Donald Trump's inner circle, 909 00:51:57,010 --> 00:51:57,160 and possible ties to Russia. 910 00:51:57,180 --> 00:51:59,160 ADAM SCHIFF: It was Manafort... 911 00:51:59,180 --> 00:52:00,050 HIMES: Paul Manafort... 912 00:52:00,070 --> 00:52:02,000 CARSON: Paul Manafort... 913 00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:03,150 NEWS REPORTER 19: Long before he was president Trump's campaign 914 00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:06,160 chairman, Paul Manafort was paid millions by a Russian 915 00:52:06,180 --> 00:52:09,170 billionaire with close ties to Vladimir Putin. 916 00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:13,130 MAN 3: That is the closest we've been able to get to Manafort. 917 00:52:13,150 --> 00:52:17,130 Manafort seems to have been paid through companies in Belize. 918 00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:21,220 I've spent a lot of time looking at these shell companies. 919 00:52:22,110 --> 00:52:25,170 MAN 6: Donald Trump's friends, people of his cabinet, 920 00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:30,120 advisors, have been active in the offshore business. 921 00:52:31,070 --> 00:52:33,130 RON: Mister Mnuchin, you ran a hedge fund for a few years 922 00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:39,200 starting in 2004, and I've been trying to get my arms around the 923 00:52:39,220 --> 00:52:42,230 Mnuchin web of bank accounts and shell companies. 924 00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:45,070 They were in Cayman Islands and Anguilla. 925 00:52:45,090 --> 00:52:48,020 How many employees did you have in Anguilla? 926 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:49,130 STEVEN: Treasury Secretary Nominee 927 00:52:49,150 --> 00:52:53,180 we didn't have any employees in Anguilla. 928 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,190 RON: How many customers did you have there? 929 00:52:54,210 --> 00:52:55,220 STEVEN: We didn't have any customers that resided 930 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:56,160 in Anguilla. 931 00:52:56,180 --> 00:52:59,020 RON: Did you have an office there? 932 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,020 STEVEN: We did not have a office ourselves there. 933 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,180 RON: So you just had a post office box? 934 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,020 STEVEN: Senator, let me explain to you, okay? 935 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,050 RON: It's just a yes or no answer. 936 00:53:08,070 --> 00:53:09,110 I'm already over my time. 937 00:53:09,130 --> 00:53:10,040 Yes or no? 938 00:53:10,060 --> 00:53:11,100 Did you just have a post office? other senators will defer some 939 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,180 time so I can, I can answer this for you, 940 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,190 because I think it's an important issue, 941 00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:18,120 but no, we had-- 942 00:53:18,140 --> 00:53:20,140 RON: Mister Chairman, this is... 943 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,140 SENATOR 1: I think he should go ahead and answer it right now. 944 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,070 SENATOR 2: He should get a chance to answer the question. 945 00:53:24,090 --> 00:53:25,120 SENATOR 1: Yeah. 946 00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:26,180 RON: I'm very troubled about this question of how you're 947 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:32,070 gonna unrig the system if you've got a record of taking advantage 948 00:53:32,090 --> 00:53:35,110 of tax shelters that, in effect, have zero percent tax rate. 949 00:53:35,130 --> 00:53:37,020 Thank you, Mister Chairman. 950 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,150 The taxes you pay are compulsory. 951 00:53:42,050 --> 00:53:44,030 They come out of your paycheck, you can see it once or twice 952 00:53:44,050 --> 00:53:46,150 a month. 953 00:53:46,170 --> 00:53:50,060 There're no Cayman Island deals for you, 954 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,220 not, none of those kinda sweetheart overseas deals for 955 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,100 you the way Steve Mnuchin, the Treasury Secretary, got. 956 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,130 Then there's another set of tax rules for the fortunate and the 957 00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:05,020 well-connected. 958 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,150 They can pretty much decide under the tax law what they're 959 00:54:07,170 --> 00:54:09,120 going to pay, when they're going to pay it, 960 00:54:12,010 --> 00:54:15,140 and in some instances, almost nothing. 961 00:54:19,070 --> 00:54:22,040 MAN 6: The problem today is really that the U.S. 962 00:54:22,060 --> 00:54:25,120 is the best place to put your assets. 963 00:54:28,020 --> 00:54:29,060 MAN 6: Over the last couple of decades, 964 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,200 we've seen increasingly that shell companies registered in 965 00:54:31,220 --> 00:54:35,160 the U.S. are used to commit all sorts of crimes 966 00:54:35,180 --> 00:54:36,230 from human trafficking to drug trafficking 967 00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:37,120 to arms dealing. 968 00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:39,160 The list goes on and on. 969 00:54:42,210 --> 00:54:45,100 BASTIAN: Looking to Delaware, looking to Nevada, 970 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,110 that's a, for example, a jurisdiction Mossack Fonseca was 971 00:54:47,130 --> 00:54:49,000 very active. 972 00:54:49,020 --> 00:54:51,010 KEVIN: We found a lot of Brazilians hiding property owned 973 00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:53,040 in Brazil through Nevada offshore, 974 00:54:53,060 --> 00:54:57,170 so Nevada was being used by Brazilians in a way that Cayman 975 00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:58,210 Islands, Bahamas might be used by an American trying to hide 976 00:54:58,230 --> 00:55:00,200 ownership of an asset. 977 00:55:05,070 --> 00:55:07,220 DINA: Well, Nevada has always had this approach to raising 978 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,010 revenue that we wanna attack somebody else, 979 00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:11,080 not the people who live here. 980 00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:15,230 Though, back in the '90s, they decided to become the Delaware 981 00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:19,080 of the west and tried to follow that example and make it very 982 00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:24,020 easy for shell companies, LLCs, to be set up there without 983 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,180 having any kind of information available about who owned them 984 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,010 or who benefited from them. 985 00:55:30,030 --> 00:55:32,050 I said, at the time, that it was, 986 00:55:32,070 --> 00:55:34,170 might as well hang up a shingle and say, 987 00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:37,060 "Welcome scumbags and sleaze balls" because those are the 988 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,150 kind of people who want to keep their information secret, 989 00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:42,170 but it became a source of revenue, 990 00:55:42,190 --> 00:55:44,050 so you didn't have to raise taxes. 991 00:55:48,090 --> 00:55:51,190 DINA: Well, I'm afraid they're rolling back the protections 992 00:55:51,210 --> 00:55:53,020 that were put in at Dodd-Frank and a lot of that was about 993 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,210 accountability and transparency. 994 00:55:55,230 --> 00:55:58,190 Banks fought that, so they're certainly not gonna want to open 995 00:55:58,210 --> 00:56:00,180 it up any further. 996 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,220 MAN 5: You can find tax havens all around the world. 997 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,100 They are in the U.S., they are in the UK. 998 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,220 GERARD: Now having done six of these projects, 999 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,020 I would say with some certainty that the, 1000 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,220 probably the biggest tax haven in the world is-is Britain, 1001 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,140 and its, you know, its former colonies. 1002 00:56:21,050 --> 00:56:21,150 JULIETTE: We're open for business. 1003 00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:22,210 We like oligarchs. 1004 00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:26,030 I don't want to exaggerate and say we're just a tax haven, 1005 00:56:26,050 --> 00:56:30,200 but you know, the-the state is-is captured by finance. 1006 00:56:32,010 --> 00:56:33,050 GERARD: Close behind it is America, 1007 00:56:33,070 --> 00:56:35,200 and I think in the future, it would be great if someone gave 1008 00:56:35,220 --> 00:56:37,230 us, you know, Delaware leaks. 1009 00:56:38,010 --> 00:56:41,100 We would uncover, you know, secrets that may be bigger than 1010 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,070 anything we've ever done before. 1011 00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:46,200 JOHN: I call on the European Commission, 1012 00:56:46,220 --> 00:56:50,030 the British Parliament, the United States Congress, 1013 00:56:50,050 --> 00:56:53,030 and all nations to take swift action, 1014 00:56:53,050 --> 00:56:55,040 not only to protect whistleblowers, 1015 00:56:55,060 --> 00:56:58,060 but to put an end to the global abuse of corporate registers. 1016 00:56:59,210 --> 00:57:03,000 Tax evasion cannot possibly be fixed while elected officials 1017 00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:06,090 are pleading for money from the very elites who have the 1018 00:57:06,110 --> 00:57:09,040 strongest incentives to avoid taxes relative to any other 1019 00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:10,210 segment of the population. 1020 00:57:30,110 --> 00:57:34,000 FREDERIK: I was actually concerned every day about the 1021 00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:38,190 security of this whole project because let's face the facts. 1022 00:57:38,210 --> 00:57:42,080 Journalists like to speak about their work. 1023 00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:44,100 GERARD: You know, every journalist you bring in, 1024 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,230 they're probably going to tell their life partner, 1025 00:57:47,010 --> 00:57:48,230 they're probably going to tell their best friends, 1026 00:57:49,010 --> 00:57:51,000 so the risks were going up exponentially every time you 1027 00:57:51,020 --> 00:57:52,170 brought somebody in. 1028 00:57:52,190 --> 00:57:56,020 MATTHEW: We were so focused on the digital part that I think 1029 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,010 you forget that a lot of journalists are going to need to 1030 00:57:59,030 --> 00:58:02,010 have interviews with sources, 1031 00:58:02,030 --> 00:58:05,100 they're going to have these interviews in bars or in cafes 1032 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,130 or in public places, and they're not going to be conscious of the 1033 00:58:09,150 --> 00:58:12,010 fact that other people might be following them or listening to 1034 00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:13,130 their conversation. 1035 00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:16,050 LUKE: It's funny, really, because to, generally, 1036 00:58:16,070 --> 00:58:18,210 toextract secrets from a journalist, 1037 00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:21,090 you just need to take the journalist to the bar, 1038 00:58:21,110 --> 00:58:23,220 buy the journalist a beer or maybe two beers, 1039 00:58:24,010 --> 00:58:26,130 if they're, if they're being kind of tricky, 1040 00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:28,140 and they will tell you everything. 1041 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,100 MAN 7: My colleagues say, I haven't seen any stories. 1042 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:31,100 What are you doing? 1043 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,170 I say, it's a project. 1044 00:58:32,190 --> 00:58:35,030 It's a regional project, actually worldwide, 1045 00:58:35,050 --> 00:58:37,050 and we're just looking at something. 1046 00:58:37,070 --> 00:58:39,030 And they say, well, when's it coming out? 1047 00:58:39,050 --> 00:58:40,180 Well, I couldn't really answer. 1048 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,020 JÓHANNES: You had this in mind the whole time that one 1049 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,150 mistake could jeopardize the whole project. 1050 00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:52,010 RITA: My life, during all those months, 1051 00:58:52,030 --> 00:58:54,020 was kinda like a spy life. 1052 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,060 I couldn't tell them what I was doing, 1053 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,180 and I felt awful because, at the same time, 1054 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,020 I was investigating my friends. 1055 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,130 I would go to dinner parties, and during the day, 1056 00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:08,070 I was just searching documents that somehow mentioned them. 1057 00:59:09,090 --> 00:59:11,120 EL NORTE: We felt responsible for their safety and that that 1058 00:59:11,140 --> 00:59:15,230 was also something we repeatedly told our colleagues. 1059 00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:18,220 Be aware that there is colleagues of us out there 1060 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,230 risking their life with this reporting, 1061 00:59:21,010 --> 00:59:24,000 and if you tell too much, you could risk their life. 1062 01:00:01,220 --> 01:00:03,120 BASTIAN: In the last weeks before our publication date, 1063 01:00:03,140 --> 01:00:07,010 we had to do everything to protect our source, 1064 01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:10,050 so we stopped all communications. 1065 01:00:10,070 --> 01:00:13,230 We destroyed effectively the-the devices that we used to 1066 01:00:14,010 --> 01:00:15,080 communicate with the source. 1067 01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:17,040 My iPhone and my computer. 1068 01:00:17,060 --> 01:00:21,110 We deleted all the files with several programs, 1069 01:00:21,130 --> 01:00:25,000 so run it over and over and over until it was 1070 01:00:25,020 --> 01:00:26,110 completely flat. 1071 01:00:26,130 --> 01:00:29,060 But then, again, we weren't really sure, 1072 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,080 you know, if you really can trust this, 1073 01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:34,160 so, I more or less took a hammer and started 1074 01:00:34,180 --> 01:00:37,170 smashing the things. 1075 01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:41,080 We didn't want to throw it away because we were so paranoid back 1076 01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:44,220 then that we thoguh if someone finds it, 1077 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,000 maybe he can do something with it. 1078 01:00:48,180 --> 01:00:51,100 MARINA: The most dangerous moment in the investigation, 1079 01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,050 and the most tense moment, when we start reaching out to people 1080 01:00:55,070 --> 01:00:57,090 for comment. 1081 01:00:58,230 --> 01:01:04,010 If we have had a year to look at your bank information and your 1082 01:01:04,030 --> 01:01:07,120 company information, we are not going to surprise you. 1083 01:01:07,140 --> 01:01:09,160 BASTIAN: You don't approach people and say, 1084 01:01:09,180 --> 01:01:12,220 listen, the team of Mossack Fonseca, 1085 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,110 you lost all your data. 1086 01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:19,020 JULIETTE: The camera crews for the broadcasters 1087 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,100 involved in the project descended on the offices of 1088 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:25,060 Mossack Fonseca in Panama City and demanded to talk to someone, 1089 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,050 get a statement. 1090 01:01:36,190 --> 01:01:38,150 BASTIAN: We sent them an email. 1091 01:01:38,170 --> 01:01:42,070 We saw documents that seemed to indicate that you have many 1092 01:01:42,090 --> 01:01:45,100 troubles with your due diligence and the way you choose 1093 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,080 your customers. 1094 01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:53,190 BASTIAN: Then it follows, um, a long list of questions. 1095 01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:56,060 Very detailed, very much to the cases. 1096 01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,120 So they said, we're not involved in illegal dealings. 1097 01:01:59,140 --> 01:02:03,160 We have never contact with the customers directly. 1098 01:02:03,180 --> 01:02:08,030 We only work with intermediaries, which are lies. 1099 01:02:08,050 --> 01:02:11,150 Well, I've heard, well now, everything might blow up. 1100 01:02:11,170 --> 01:02:14,140 Now it will be hundreds of lawyers trying to stop our 1101 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,000 reporting, hundreds of people all around the world get 1102 01:02:18,020 --> 01:02:19,230 knowledge about our investigation, 1103 01:02:20,010 --> 01:02:22,020 and that's people like drug lords, 1104 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,220 criminals, and of course we feared that something 1105 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:25,230 might happen. 1106 01:02:32,090 --> 01:02:34,090 RITA: It was very stressful for-for all of us 1107 01:02:34,110 --> 01:02:38,090 because at that point, yeah, we had to call our sources, 1108 01:02:38,110 --> 01:02:40,190 we had to call the people that we were writing about, 1109 01:02:40,210 --> 01:02:46,160 and people started to know more and more and more. 1110 01:02:46,180 --> 01:02:51,070 We started to have a bodyguard because that's when we 1111 01:02:51,090 --> 01:02:54,160 received a non-direct threat by Mossack Fonseca. 1112 01:02:54,180 --> 01:02:56,200 So they came and said, you know, we know you have a journalist 1113 01:02:56,220 --> 01:02:59,080 who's helping the international media, 1114 01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:02,190 and she, and she's been she's been paid for, 1115 01:03:02,210 --> 01:03:06,120 and she is trying to diminish the reputation of 1116 01:03:06,140 --> 01:03:09,040 our firm and the country, and she was gonna have to, 1117 01:03:09,060 --> 01:03:12,100 you know, suffer the consequences. 1118 01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,190 So the paper immediately said, you know, 1119 01:03:13,210 --> 01:03:16,170 you can't be around without any protection. 1120 01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:18,120 My friends were here. 1121 01:03:18,140 --> 01:03:21,040 We go pick them up at the hotel, and there's, 1122 01:03:21,060 --> 01:03:23,050 there is a bodyguard there driving the car. 1123 01:03:23,070 --> 01:03:25,160 So we said, oh, it's just an Uber. 1124 01:03:25,180 --> 01:03:28,080 But we forgot to hide the gun he had in the middle of the 1125 01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:29,210 front seat. 1126 01:03:29,230 --> 01:03:34,130 We had to live a double life and-and that really was 1127 01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:38,160 something that changed our lives from that moment. 1128 01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:44,220 FREDERIK: The most frightening moment for me 1129 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:50,090 shortly before publication was when I personally had to write 1130 01:03:50,110 --> 01:03:55,050 an email to the Kremlin basically addressing it to "Dear 1131 01:03:55,070 --> 01:03:59,220 Mr. Vladimir Putin" and laying out what we found in regards to 1132 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:05,220 this net of companies around his friend Sergei Roldugin that was 1133 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,180 funneling hundreds of millions of dollar out of Russia, 1134 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:14,140 and I've never written an email to Vladimir Putin before. 1135 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,220 Some days later, Vladimir Putin's spokesperson, 1136 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,090 Mr. Peskov, did a press conference in Moscow. 1137 01:04:22,110 --> 01:04:24,190 DMITRY PESKOV: The documents show nothing 1138 01:04:24,210 --> 01:04:26,100 about Mister Putin. 1139 01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:31,180 Everything that was, interconnected with our 1140 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,050 president, was written by newspapers. 1141 01:04:34,070 --> 01:04:36,150 It was written by journalists without having 1142 01:04:36,170 --> 01:04:39,070 obvious facts for that. 1143 01:04:39,090 --> 01:04:41,150 FREDERIK: It was clear to me, oh, shit. 1144 01:04:41,170 --> 01:04:45,080 He's speaking about that email I sent some days ago. 1145 01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:47,100 DMITRY: And now we're understanding this is nothing 1146 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,160 else by, but a reflection of, 1147 01:04:50,180 --> 01:04:53,170 let's say, an overwhelmed 1148 01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:57,140 Putin-aphobia disease that unfortunately has quite spread 1149 01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:02,150 now in lots of media. 1150 01:05:02,170 --> 01:05:06,130 FREDERIK: It was clearly obvious that the Kremlin was pissed off. 1151 01:05:08,090 --> 01:05:12,120 MARINA: We got a lot of legal threats and there were so many. 1152 01:05:12,140 --> 01:05:14,230 They were really piling up. 1153 01:05:15,010 --> 01:05:18,230 Everyone that we contacted recruited the best lawyers to 1154 01:05:19,010 --> 01:05:24,000 threaten ICIJ, to try to, um, get us to show them documents, 1155 01:05:24,020 --> 01:05:28,070 to try to get us to not publish the story. 1156 01:05:28,180 --> 01:05:31,200 SCOTT: Drug trafficking, income inequality, poverty. 1157 01:05:31,220 --> 01:05:34,090 You look at those problems in the world, 1158 01:05:34,110 --> 01:05:38,200 and a lot of the keys to addressing those problems are in 1159 01:05:38,220 --> 01:05:40,150 the Panama Papers. 1160 01:05:40,170 --> 01:05:46,120 Even though you feel like you, you may wake up one day and-and 1161 01:05:46,140 --> 01:05:49,160 have somebody in your bedroom pointing a gun at you, 1162 01:05:49,180 --> 01:05:52,190 you feel like youhave to keep going on this because it's 1163 01:05:52,210 --> 01:05:55,190 too important. 1164 01:05:58,180 --> 01:05:59,200 JÓHANNES: So coming from Iceland, 1165 01:05:59,220 --> 01:06:03,200 I knew that if I would start asking questions about the 1166 01:06:03,220 --> 01:06:05,200 offshore company of the Prime Minister, 1167 01:06:05,220 --> 01:06:11,080 early, then all the alarm bells would ring inside the 1168 01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:15,050 government and inside the institutions here in Iceland. 1169 01:06:15,070 --> 01:06:19,100 So we had to find a way to get 1170 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:23,200 the reactions from the Prime Minister on camera. 1171 01:06:23,220 --> 01:06:28,090 So we decided after a lengthy talk about the ethical 1172 01:06:28,110 --> 01:06:31,210 issues, to confront him. 1173 01:06:32,190 --> 01:06:33,190 JOURNALIST: Mister Prime Minister, 1174 01:06:33,210 --> 01:06:38,100 what can you tell me about a company called Wintris? 1175 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:44,130 PRIME MINISTER GUNNLAUGSSON: Well, it's a company of, 1176 01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:48,100 if I recall correctly, which is associated with one of the 1177 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,120 companies that I, was on a board of, 1178 01:06:50,140 --> 01:06:57,180 and, it was a, hadan account which as I, 1179 01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:02,220 as I mentioned, has been with the tax, 1180 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,110 on the tax account since it was established. 1181 01:07:06,130 --> 01:07:09,110 So now I'm starting to feel a bit strange about this question 1182 01:07:09,130 --> 01:07:12,100 because it's like you are accusing me of something when 1183 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:16,190 you are asking me about a company that has been on my-- 1184 01:07:16,210 --> 01:07:17,190 JOURNALIST: Let, let-- 1185 01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:19,070 PRIME MINISTER GUNNLAUGSSON: tax return from 1186 01:07:19,090 --> 01:07:20,070 the beginning. 1187 01:07:20,090 --> 01:07:21,100 JOURNALIST: Yeah, it must be okay for me as a 1188 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,130 journalist to ask the Prime Minister about personal-- 1189 01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:24,180 PRIME MINISTER GUNNLAUGSSON: Yes, sure. 1190 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,030 But you are indicating that I have not paid, taxes on it. 1191 01:07:28,050 --> 01:07:29,070 JOURNALIST: No, I'm just asking you questions. 1192 01:07:29,090 --> 01:07:29,140 PRIME MINISTER GUNNLAUGSSON: Okay, 1193 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:30,150 okay. 1194 01:07:30,170 --> 01:07:31,230 JOURNALIST: So, so, uh, to go into the details, 1195 01:07:32,010 --> 01:07:34,230 I would like my partner to do it in Icelandic because I don't 1196 01:07:35,010 --> 01:07:37,210 have the details, uh, to discuss it. 1197 01:08:24,210 --> 01:08:26,080 KRISTJÁNSSON: The time between the interview and the 1198 01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:29,120 publication was a stressful time. 1199 01:08:29,140 --> 01:08:31,130 The wife of the Prime Minister, 1200 01:08:31,150 --> 01:08:36,000 she posted a Facebook status talking about some 1201 01:08:36,020 --> 01:08:38,200 attacks from the media. 1202 01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:42,030 Soon, I realized that, uh, we shouldn't be afraid because we 1203 01:08:42,050 --> 01:08:46,010 had all the materials, we had the interview, 1204 01:08:46,030 --> 01:08:49,010 uh, and uh, I talk, I told my staff, 1205 01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:52,010 you know, just relax because we are going to publish this and, 1206 01:08:52,030 --> 01:08:54,160 uh, it will be big. 1207 01:09:02,230 --> 01:09:04,170 PAUL: We were utterly convinced that night that we were gonna 1208 01:09:04,190 --> 01:09:08,120 light the Blue Torch Paper despite nobody going beforehand, 1209 01:09:08,140 --> 01:09:10,120 there was still an air of expectancy. 1210 01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:12,140 People knew a big story was coming. 1211 01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,170 LUKE: What was weird was about ten minutes before we were due 1212 01:09:14,190 --> 01:09:18,020 to press send, Edward Snowden tweeted out a link to the 1213 01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,010 English language website of Süddeutsche Zeitung MAN 4: The 1214 01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:24,090 people who follow him then were alerted to this, 1215 01:09:24,110 --> 01:09:26,120 and that's a pretty wide universe. 1216 01:09:26,140 --> 01:09:28,120 JULIETTE: Gerard Ryle, the Director of the ICIJ, 1217 01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:30,200 is hammering the phones getting everyone to just hold 1218 01:09:30,220 --> 01:09:32,140 their nerve. 1219 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:33,230 GERARD: I thought it was very important that we all hold the 1220 01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:36,020 line, that what was happening with the press 1221 01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,180 conference from the Kremlin and what was happening in Iceland at 1222 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,020 the time where parts of the story were getting out through 1223 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,150 Facebook, through the Icelandic Prime Minister's wife, 1224 01:09:43,170 --> 01:09:45,170 like there was a lot of nervousness, 1225 01:09:45,190 --> 01:09:47,170 and I really thought that all of these events, 1226 01:09:47,190 --> 01:09:49,190 all of these small things happening, 1227 01:09:49,210 --> 01:09:51,180 even though, you know, we were being talked about a week 1228 01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,190 beforehand, no one really knew the bigger story. 1229 01:09:53,210 --> 01:09:55,190 JULIETTE: You know, I'm, uh, describing it a bit like a, 1230 01:09:55,210 --> 01:09:58,220 a general standing at the top of the hill holding back the 1231 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,140 troops, you know, waiting as the opposing army approaches, 1232 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,180 approaches, you know, hold, hold, hold, go! 1233 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,180 Charge! 1234 01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,190 TIM: When that day hits, 1235 01:10:07,210 --> 01:10:10,150 things happen fairly quickly. 1236 01:10:12,190 --> 01:10:15,060 NEWS REPORTER 20: The so-called Panama Papers now exposing the 1237 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:19,150 secret financial dealings of politicians and celebrities. 1238 01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:21,180 NEWS REPORTER 21: Many of the world's most powerful 1239 01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,030 politicians, wealthy business owners and popular celebrities 1240 01:10:24,050 --> 01:10:26,160 are now desperately trying to distance themselves from the 1241 01:10:26,180 --> 01:10:30,200 fallout and consequences of the Panama Papers. 1242 01:10:30,220 --> 01:10:33,160 MARISA: There was an immediate response on social media. 1243 01:10:33,180 --> 01:10:35,160 MAN 8: They're all on the inside, 1244 01:10:35,180 --> 01:10:37,140 we are out on the street looking in. 1245 01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,110 Hello? 1246 01:10:39,130 --> 01:10:41,030 MARINA: This thing exploded and took an entire life of its own. 1247 01:10:41,050 --> 01:10:43,040 NEWS REPORTER 22: We turn now to the banking bombshell causing 1248 01:10:43,060 --> 01:10:44,190 shockwaves around the world. 1249 01:10:44,210 --> 01:10:45,150 NEWS REPORTER 23: Panama Papers... 1250 01:10:45,170 --> 01:10:46,210 NEWS REPORTER 24: 1251 01:10:46,230 --> 01:10:48,020 NEWS REPORTER 25: The Panama Papers... 1252 01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:49,060 NEWS REPORTER 26: The Panama Papers. 1253 01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,200 GEORGE: What may be the largest leak of secret documents 1254 01:10:51,220 --> 01:10:53,110 in history. 1255 01:10:53,130 --> 01:10:55,050 NEWS REPORTER 27: A blockbuster release of millions of 1256 01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:56,090 financial documents. 1257 01:10:56,110 --> 01:10:58,200 NEWS REPORTER 28: This is the biggest attack on the tax 1258 01:10:58,220 --> 01:11:00,000 shelter industry. 1259 01:11:00,020 --> 01:11:01,030 It's a trillion dollar industry. 1260 01:11:01,050 --> 01:11:01,200 NEWS REPORTER 29: It is. 1261 01:11:01,220 --> 01:11:02,190 It is a trillion dollar industry. 1262 01:11:02,210 --> 01:11:05,040 JAKE: The UK, France, Australia, Mexico, 1263 01:11:05,060 --> 01:11:07,120 all say they're going to investigate. 1264 01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:13,050 ROBERTO: When it blew up, I had no idea the size of 1265 01:11:13,070 --> 01:11:15,000 the situation. 1266 01:11:15,020 --> 01:11:16,060 NEWS REPORTER 30: Panama Police have raided the offices of the 1267 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:20,030 law firm at the center of the country's massive data leak. 1268 01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:33,150 JACK: Now the problem is can the various judicial systems of the 1269 01:11:33,170 --> 01:11:37,140 world handle all of this material without getting a 1270 01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:41,020 horrendous case of indigestion? 1271 01:12:08,220 --> 01:12:11,020 JÜRGEN: We have always dealt with professional clients all 1272 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:12,050 over the world, only. 1273 01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:15,160 RITA: After the publication, the example they gave it, 1274 01:12:15,180 --> 01:12:17,130 we were like a knife factory, you know? 1275 01:12:17,150 --> 01:12:18,220 We sell the knives. 1276 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,230 If people kill, kill other people with knives, 1277 01:12:21,010 --> 01:12:22,180 it is not our fault. 1278 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:26,140 The problem is they always knew who had the knives and what were 1279 01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,220 they gonna do with the knives. 1280 01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,100 NEWS REPORTER 32: The law firm is denying any wrongdoing. 1281 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:35,170 RITA: When we'd realized how big it was was when we saw people 1282 01:12:35,190 --> 01:12:38,050 going out in the streets. 1283 01:12:42,030 --> 01:12:43,080 NEWS REPORTER 33: Thousands of Icelanders took the streets, 1284 01:12:43,100 --> 01:12:46,100 calling on the Prime Minister to resign following allegations he 1285 01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,110 benefited from offshore holdings and tax havens. 1286 01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:56,020 NEWS REPORTER 34: The first casualty of the Panama Papers 1287 01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:57,060 has fallen. 1288 01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,150 Prime Minister of Iceland yielded his post on Tuesday amid 1289 01:13:00,170 --> 01:13:02,230 public uproar that he failed to disclose links to an 1290 01:13:03,010 --> 01:13:04,190 offshore company. 1291 01:13:10,090 --> 01:13:13,030 NEWS REPORTER 35: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, he may be thrown 1292 01:13:13,050 --> 01:13:15,000 out of office over allegations that his family owned several 1293 01:13:15,020 --> 01:13:16,220 illegal offshore businesses. 1294 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,200 CROWD: 1295 01:13:19,220 --> 01:13:23,070 NEWS REPORTER 36: Corruption and bribery at the highest level 1296 01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:25,150 on the streets of Rio Sao Paulo and dozens of other cities. 1297 01:13:25,170 --> 01:13:28,230 Protestors laid the blame at the door of President 1298 01:13:29,010 --> 01:13:29,230 Dilma Rousseff. 1299 01:13:30,010 --> 01:13:32,070 MAN 8: Every day there is a new scandal. 1300 01:13:32,090 --> 01:13:33,230 Every day there is something related to money being taken out 1301 01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:35,230 of the country. 1302 01:13:36,010 --> 01:13:37,190 NEWS REPORTER 37: We have some breaking news from Brazil where 1303 01:13:37,210 --> 01:13:41,070 the senate there has voted to impeach President Dilma Rousseff 1304 01:13:41,090 --> 01:13:43,110 and plunges the country into political chaos. 1305 01:13:43,130 --> 01:13:45,030 KEVIN: Look at Brazil. 1306 01:13:45,050 --> 01:13:48,170 That's probably the country where the Panama Papers has had 1307 01:13:48,190 --> 01:13:49,170 the most impact. 1308 01:13:54,020 --> 01:13:56,070 KEVIN: Iceland got the headlines with the president. 1309 01:13:56,090 --> 01:13:59,120 The entire ruling structure of Brazil is crumbling 1310 01:13:59,140 --> 01:14:01,080 because so many of them are tied into this money 1311 01:14:01,100 --> 01:14:03,000 laundering scheme. 1312 01:14:03,020 --> 01:14:04,200 CROWD: 1313 01:14:06,140 --> 01:14:07,160 NEWS REPORTER 38: Protestors in the Argentine capital Buenos 1314 01:14:07,180 --> 01:14:10,070 Aires are calling for the country's president to step down 1315 01:14:10,090 --> 01:14:13,040 after the so-called Panama Papers revealed Mauricio Macri 1316 01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:17,080 is on the board of two offshore firms: One in the Bahamas, 1317 01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:19,000 the other in Panama. 1318 01:14:19,020 --> 01:14:22,090 NEWS REPORTER 39: Several thousand people filled a square 1319 01:14:22,110 --> 01:14:26,020 in Malta's capital on Sunday, and demanded the resignation of 1320 01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,120 Prime Minister Joseph Muscat. 1321 01:14:27,140 --> 01:14:30,030 MATTHEW: My mother was in Malta alone, 1322 01:14:30,050 --> 01:14:33,170 fighting this with no, no one backing her at all. 1323 01:14:33,190 --> 01:14:36,090 No institution. 1324 01:14:36,110 --> 01:14:38,210 GERARD: Daphne had been working on a number of post-Panama 1325 01:14:38,230 --> 01:14:40,210 Paper stories. 1326 01:14:40,230 --> 01:14:43,150 She wasn't involved in the Panama Papers investigation 1327 01:14:43,170 --> 01:14:46,020 itself, but she had taken our reporting and gone further. 1328 01:14:50,010 --> 01:14:51,050 JACOB: 1329 01:14:51,070 --> 01:14:52,020 KONRAD: Good evening. 1330 01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:53,170 Um, today, the, yesterday's piece... 1331 01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,100 KONRAD: There are no bank accounts, 1332 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,230 uh, no, no, no funds. 1333 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:15,180 KONRAD: And there are absolutely no funds. 1334 01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:16,080 Thank you. 1335 01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:22,010 MATTHEW: When the story broke, they didn't resign. 1336 01:15:22,030 --> 01:15:23,140 I mean, I couldn't believe it. 1337 01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,050 I could see, I mean, it was like a disaster unfolding in 1338 01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:27,020 slow motion. 1339 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,160 NEWS REPORTER 40: British Prime Minister David Cameron faces 1340 01:16:02,180 --> 01:16:06,030 backlash for implications in the recently leaked Panama Papers. 1341 01:16:06,050 --> 01:16:07,100 JULIETTE: And that's when things in the UK just went 1342 01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,200 really crazy. 1343 01:16:11,130 --> 01:16:13,000 LUKE: There was turmoil in this country. 1344 01:16:13,020 --> 01:16:14,210 David Cameron had the worst week. 1345 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:21,030 DAVID: Thank you, Mister Speaker. 1346 01:16:21,050 --> 01:16:22,070 Thank you, Mister Speaker. 1347 01:16:22,090 --> 01:16:23,070 With permission, I would like to make a statement on the 1348 01:16:23,090 --> 01:16:24,190 Panama Papers. 1349 01:16:25,050 --> 01:16:27,000 Dealing with my own circumstances first, 1350 01:16:27,020 --> 01:16:30,120 yesterday I published all the information in my tax returns, 1351 01:16:30,140 --> 01:16:33,000 not just for the last year, but for the last six years. 1352 01:16:33,020 --> 01:16:35,110 I've also given additional information about money 1353 01:16:35,130 --> 01:16:38,150 inherited and given to me by my family so people can see the 1354 01:16:38,170 --> 01:16:40,130 sources of income that I have. 1355 01:16:40,150 --> 01:16:43,060 This is an entirely standard practice, 1356 01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,050 and it is not to avoid tax. 1357 01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:49,150 JEREMY CORBYN: May I thank the Prime Minister for the 1358 01:16:49,170 --> 01:16:51,130 advance site of his statement. 1359 01:16:51,150 --> 01:16:55,110 It is absolutely a masterclass in the art of distraction. 1360 01:16:58,100 --> 01:17:00,120 JULIETTE: He refused to say whether he had any money in his 1361 01:17:00,140 --> 01:17:01,120 father's offshore fund. 1362 01:17:01,140 --> 01:17:03,130 PAUL: He'd gone on record saying, 1363 01:17:03,150 --> 01:17:05,170 we've gotta end secrecy about tax avoidance. 1364 01:17:05,190 --> 01:17:08,000 He'd gone on record saying we've gotta shine a light on where 1365 01:17:08,020 --> 01:17:09,070 this money comes from. 1366 01:17:09,090 --> 01:17:12,020 DAVID: Some of these schemes where people are parking huge 1367 01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,090 amounts of money offshore and taking loans back to just 1368 01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:19,140 minimize their tax rates, it is not morally acceptable. 1369 01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,170 PAUL: So he then had to come out, 1370 01:17:21,190 --> 01:17:24,060 and this was the fourth or fifth explanation over a period of 1371 01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,050 three days, saying, well, actually, 1372 01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:27,100 I did benefit from the shares. 1373 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,090 DAVID: Samantha and I had a joint account. 1374 01:17:30,110 --> 01:17:33,090 We owned, uh, 5,000 units in Blaire Moore, 1375 01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:38,110 uh, Investment Trust, which we sold in January, uh, 2010. 1376 01:17:38,130 --> 01:17:41,080 Uh, that was worth something like 30,000 pounds. 1377 01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:43,100 Was there a profit on it? 1378 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,090 I paid, um, income tax on the dividends, 1379 01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:47,120 but there was a profit on it, 1380 01:17:47,140 --> 01:17:50,050 but it was less than the capital gains tax allowance, 1381 01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:52,100 so I didn't pay capital gains tax, 1382 01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,040 but it was subject to all the UK taxes in all the normal ways. 1383 01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,170 WOMAN 3: A few months later, Britain was gonna hold a 1384 01:17:58,190 --> 01:18:02,180 referendum on whether to leave the European Union. 1385 01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:06,060 NEWS REPORTER 41: People of Britain have spoken, 1386 01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,100 voting for a British exit, dubbed Brexit, 1387 01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:11,100 with almost 52% of the votes choosing to leave the 28 1388 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,100 member European Union. 1389 01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,060 NEWS REPORTER 41: And Cameron was the figurehead for Romaine, 1390 01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,110 but the British press is dominated by press barrons who 1391 01:18:20,130 --> 01:18:24,100 wanted us to leave, and it suited their agenda to destroy 1392 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:25,170 the figurehead for Romane. 1393 01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,050 DAVID: On Wednesday, I would attend the House of Commons for 1394 01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:32,180 Prime Ministers, answer questions, and then after that, 1395 01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,180 I expect to go to the Palace and offer my resignation, 1396 01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,110 so we'll have a new Prime Minister in that building behind 1397 01:18:38,130 --> 01:18:40,120 me by Wednesday evening. 1398 01:18:40,140 --> 01:18:42,150 Thank you very much. 1399 01:18:43,170 --> 01:18:46,040 PAUL: Cameron helped to create this moral atmosphere which 1400 01:18:46,060 --> 01:18:49,180 said, look, this behavior is wrong and should not be helped 1401 01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:53,070 by the laws that we have in existence at the moment. 1402 01:18:59,210 --> 01:19:02,110 MAN 8: The documents show allies to Russian President Vladimir 1403 01:19:02,130 --> 01:19:05,150 Putin secretly shuffled as much as $2 billion through 1404 01:19:05,170 --> 01:19:08,060 banks and shadow companies. 1405 01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,000 PAUL: Day one, of course, was Vladimir Putin and the two 1406 01:19:10,020 --> 01:19:12,150 $2 billion worth of money that led back to him, 1407 01:19:12,170 --> 01:19:14,150 which was a remarkable story. 1408 01:19:14,170 --> 01:19:17,110 It's been one of international journalism's holy grails, 1409 01:19:17,130 --> 01:19:19,120 really, that story. 1410 01:19:19,140 --> 01:19:21,090 JOHN OLIVER: The papers revealed the identity of a suspiciously 1411 01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:26,050 rich cellist, which raises immediate red flags for me, 1412 01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:28,110 'cause I always thought the only way to make millions with a 1413 01:19:28,130 --> 01:19:31,070 cello is to use it to dig for gold. 1414 01:20:01,030 --> 01:20:02,120 LUKE: You know, he's basically saying we're all spies. 1415 01:20:02,140 --> 01:20:05,080 We scheme dastardly stuff to try and defame the 1416 01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:07,090 Russian Federation. 1417 01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:08,130 Now, of course that isn't the case, 1418 01:20:08,150 --> 01:20:10,090 and if it were a CIA plot-- 1419 01:20:11,190 --> 01:20:13,180 LUKE: --how come David Cameron got sucked in? 1420 01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,050 How come demonstrations in Iceland 1421 01:20:15,070 --> 01:20:17,100 and Argentina? 1422 01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:19,120 JULIETTE: I mean the hilarious thing, 1423 01:20:19,140 --> 01:20:24,060 you know, is that Putin ended up having to buy lots of cellos. 1424 01:20:24,230 --> 01:20:26,040 Roldugin bought lots of cellos because he said it was for 1425 01:20:26,060 --> 01:20:29,070 buying cellos, so they went and bought a lot of cellos after. 1426 01:20:33,150 --> 01:20:37,050 MARISA: This wasn't on official news in Russia. 1427 01:20:37,070 --> 01:20:39,100 Unless you were looking at foreign media, 1428 01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,150 you had no idea that the Panama Papers broke. 1429 01:20:42,170 --> 01:20:45,100 The officials who were implicated in these documents 1430 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:48,070 would retaliate against journalists. 1431 01:20:48,090 --> 01:20:49,100 It's real. 1432 01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:50,170 Journalists have been killed. 1433 01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,000 NEWS REPORTER 42: A car exploded in flames in the Ukrainian 1434 01:20:56,020 --> 01:20:59,220 capital of Kiev early Wednesday morning inside a prominent 1435 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,070 journalist, Pavel Sheremet. 1436 01:21:02,090 --> 01:21:05,150 MAN 9: 1437 01:21:05,170 --> 01:21:07,110 NEWS REPORTER 42: An eye witness to the blast says several people 1438 01:21:07,130 --> 01:21:09,020 tried to pull Sheremet from the car, but it appeared 1439 01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:10,100 he was already dead. 1440 01:21:11,010 --> 01:21:13,090 LUKE: In Russia, journalists, um, 1441 01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:15,060 both in the big cities and the provinces, 1442 01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,130 get killed, shot, beaten to death. 1443 01:21:17,150 --> 01:21:19,100 Roman Anin who works for Novaya Gazeta, 1444 01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,190 he was kind of instrumental in, in chasing the, 1445 01:21:21,210 --> 01:21:23,210 following the money all the way to Putin and making that kind 1446 01:21:23,230 --> 01:21:24,200 of connection. 1447 01:21:38,180 --> 01:21:40,110 FREDERIK: The Kremlin pretty soon found out who our Russia 1448 01:21:40,130 --> 01:21:45,110 partners are, so there was TV programs that were, 1449 01:21:45,130 --> 01:21:48,030 that basically screamed something like, 1450 01:21:48,050 --> 01:21:52,150 "Wanted" posters of the two of them putting out information, 1451 01:21:52,170 --> 01:21:55,020 um, on them, detailed information that could lead 1452 01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,160 people to the place where they work or potentially where 1453 01:21:58,180 --> 01:22:00,030 they live. 1454 01:22:00,050 --> 01:22:03,070 They, to a certain point, left Russia for a while. 1455 01:22:06,100 --> 01:22:09,070 RITA: We were treated as, uh, traitors. 1456 01:22:09,090 --> 01:22:11,150 There were publications all over the social networks and 1457 01:22:11,170 --> 01:22:14,190 everywhere blaming us for selling our country, 1458 01:22:14,210 --> 01:22:16,150 blaming us for treason. 1459 01:22:16,170 --> 01:22:18,120 Theywere people saying, "What should we do with a 1460 01:22:18,140 --> 01:22:20,000 traitor journalist?" 1461 01:22:20,020 --> 01:22:21,040 with our names. 1462 01:22:21,060 --> 01:22:23,060 They said, well, should we throw them off the bridge of 1463 01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:24,030 the canal? 1464 01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:26,110 Should we send them to Punta Coco, 1465 01:22:26,130 --> 01:22:28,070 which is equivalent of Alcatraz for Panama, 1466 01:22:28,090 --> 01:22:29,020 or should we just send them to La Joya, 1467 01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,040 which is a maximum security prison. 1468 01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:33,000 JOSEPH: This sort of thing is happening 1469 01:22:33,020 --> 01:22:34,040 a lot of, a lot of places in the world, 1470 01:22:34,060 --> 01:22:35,040 it's absolutely terrifying. 1471 01:22:35,060 --> 01:22:38,000 Me personally, I've been physically threatened, 1472 01:22:38,020 --> 01:22:39,120 I've been threatened with lawsuits. 1473 01:22:39,140 --> 01:22:41,150 Um, but I'm really lucky. 1474 01:22:41,170 --> 01:22:43,150 I, you know, I work in the United States. 1475 01:22:43,170 --> 01:22:46,010 It's really bad form to kill a journalist here. 1476 01:22:46,030 --> 01:22:48,170 Investigative journalism is hard enough without having to worry, 1477 01:22:48,190 --> 01:22:51,050 do all that kind of moral math, um, 1478 01:22:51,070 --> 01:22:52,200 physical risk. 1479 01:22:52,220 --> 01:22:53,210 It's something that war correspondents are used to doing 1480 01:22:53,230 --> 01:22:55,060 all the time. 1481 01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:56,110 In a way, it kind of feels like we're all war 1482 01:22:56,130 --> 01:22:57,230 correspondents now. 1483 01:23:00,190 --> 01:23:03,200 MARINA: This just shows how vulnerable reporters around the 1484 01:23:03,220 --> 01:23:06,190 world working on corruption issues are. 1485 01:23:09,150 --> 01:23:14,040 One answer to that vulnerability is working in networks and 1486 01:23:14,060 --> 01:23:16,040 in teams. 1487 01:23:17,100 --> 01:23:20,030 You can't take down 376 reporters. 1488 01:23:24,110 --> 01:23:27,200 PRESENTER: For the Panama Papers, 1489 01:23:27,220 --> 01:23:30,110 reporting that explored the hidden infrastructure and global 1490 01:23:30,130 --> 01:23:33,000 scale of offshore tax havens... 1491 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,210 PRESENTER: The Pulitzer Prize and explanatory reporting goes 1492 01:23:36,230 --> 01:23:41,010 to... The International Consortium of Investigative 1493 01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:44,150 Journalists, McClatchy and the Miami Herald. 1494 01:23:45,220 --> 01:23:49,180 MARISA: Just the idea that we were able to-to finish the 1495 01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:55,180 Panama Papers despite all of the doubts and publish it along with 1496 01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,210 all of these other reporters all across the world. 1497 01:24:03,180 --> 01:24:06,220 JÓHANNES: And it felt so surreal because the Pulitzer is 1498 01:24:07,010 --> 01:24:10,150 something you always dream of as a journalist, 1499 01:24:10,170 --> 01:24:13,060 but as a German journalist, it's something that you can normally 1500 01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,110 not reach. 1501 01:24:21,170 --> 01:24:22,210 GERARD: It's nice to show that journalists can actually work 1502 01:24:22,230 --> 01:24:24,220 together, and I think that's something that we always thought 1503 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:25,160 would never happen. 1504 01:24:25,180 --> 01:24:27,200 You know, journalists are selfish, 1505 01:24:27,220 --> 01:24:29,190 we don't share stories, we don't share sources. 1506 01:24:29,210 --> 01:24:31,120 We've just proven that that's wrong, 1507 01:24:31,140 --> 01:24:32,180 that, in fact, you can get a better story sometimes if you 1508 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,130 do, if you do share. 1509 01:24:37,170 --> 01:24:41,030 MAN 9: You do need big, international teams to cover 1510 01:24:41,050 --> 01:24:43,110 big, international topics. 1511 01:24:45,010 --> 01:24:46,180 KEVIN: Then it cleared the way for us to spend the rest of the 1512 01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,200 year really doing the kind of stuff that you couldn't do on 1513 01:24:49,220 --> 01:24:51,160 the first day, but were just as important as the first 1514 01:24:51,180 --> 01:24:53,080 day stories. 1515 01:24:59,050 --> 01:25:00,230 FREDERIK: I thought that this would be the time that we can 1516 01:25:01,010 --> 01:25:05,150 refocus and go into the stories we hadn't yet the time to 1517 01:25:05,170 --> 01:25:13,040 finish, but then we heard this terrible news from Malta where 1518 01:25:13,060 --> 01:25:17,160 Daphne Galizia, um, was killed in a-a car bombing. 1519 01:25:17,180 --> 01:25:21,120 NEWS REPORTER 43: The son of the investigative journalist, 1520 01:25:21,140 --> 01:25:23,210 Daphne Caruana Galizia, who was killed in a car bomb attack in 1521 01:25:23,230 --> 01:25:26,210 Malta has attacked the island as a mafia state run by what he 1522 01:25:26,230 --> 01:25:28,080 called crooks. 1523 01:25:28,100 --> 01:25:30,200 His 53-year-old mother, who was killed yesterday, 1524 01:25:30,220 --> 01:25:33,210 was known for her blog accusing politicians of high-level 1525 01:25:33,230 --> 01:25:37,130 corruption and she led the Panama Papers investigation into 1526 01:25:37,150 --> 01:25:39,080 corruption on the island. 1527 01:25:41,070 --> 01:25:42,210 MAN 10: We couldn't have been more shocked when-when we found 1528 01:25:42,230 --> 01:25:44,090 out that Daphne, you know, Matthew's mother, 1529 01:25:44,110 --> 01:25:46,120 had been blown up. 1530 01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:50,110 I mean, it just seemed so senseless and-and crazy. 1531 01:25:52,130 --> 01:25:54,010 MATTHEW: It was, the message was, 1532 01:25:54,030 --> 01:25:59,140 look, we can, we can do this and we can get away with it. 1533 01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:02,170 We have, there's no deterrent. 1534 01:26:02,190 --> 01:26:07,100 We can strike whoever we want, whenever we want and get away 1535 01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:10,060 with it. 1536 01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:14,200 GERARD: The fact that she was killed in Malta, 1537 01:26:14,220 --> 01:26:17,020 you're talking about a European country. 1538 01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:21,080 That really shocked not just us, but also the world. 1539 01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,100 JACOB: You know, this, what happened to Daphne, 1540 01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:30,180 it-it never, we never thought anything could happen in Malta. 1541 01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,150 Daphne was, you know, very much a, 1542 01:26:32,170 --> 01:26:33,230 a fearless investigator. 1543 01:26:34,010 --> 01:26:37,170 You know, a, a lone, a lone voice in a sense. 1544 01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,020 She was very frustrated with-with mainstream media. 1545 01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:41,140 I don't know. 1546 01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:45,150 People just gravitated towards her blog naturally. 1547 01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:47,180 JULIETTE: Daphne was fierce, and she was a blogger, 1548 01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,220 so she had a lot more freedom than newspaper journalists in 1549 01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,150 terms of expressing her opinion, and she used it. 1550 01:26:52,170 --> 01:26:55,150 DAPHNE: My article went up at 7:00 in the evening, 1551 01:26:55,170 --> 01:26:58,200 and two and a half hours later, by half past nine, 1552 01:26:58,220 --> 01:27:03,020 the police are already at my gate with a warrant for my 1553 01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:07,100 arrest issued by a magistrate within two and a half hours. 1554 01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:12,230 The police cannot understand why I will not abide by the law and 1555 01:27:13,010 --> 01:27:16,100 sit at home quietly and not write anything about politics. 1556 01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:21,110 FREDERIK: She was one addressing things many politicians did not 1557 01:27:21,130 --> 01:27:23,110 want to hear. 1558 01:27:25,020 --> 01:27:29,000 She wrote about corruption at the highest levels 1559 01:27:29,020 --> 01:27:30,190 of government. 1560 01:27:30,210 --> 01:27:31,170 You know, I mean I always get, 1561 01:27:31,190 --> 01:27:34,030 like, you know, the-the usual people, 1562 01:27:34,050 --> 01:27:36,130 "Don't worry, the truth will come to light. 1563 01:27:36,150 --> 01:27:37,210 Good always wins. 1564 01:27:37,230 --> 01:27:39,130 There will be justice." 1565 01:27:39,150 --> 01:27:41,190 My mother always thought that was bullshit. 1566 01:27:43,220 --> 01:27:45,150 JULIETTE: She wasn't just outspoken. 1567 01:27:45,170 --> 01:27:48,010 She was effective, and I think that's why she's-she's 1568 01:27:48,030 --> 01:27:50,020 been killed. 1569 01:27:54,020 --> 01:27:56,010 What was particularly shocking was that, 1570 01:27:56,030 --> 01:28:00,000 for some people, um, this assassination was a-a cause 1571 01:28:00,020 --> 01:28:01,050 of celebration. 1572 01:28:01,070 --> 01:28:05,160 One police officer actually tweeted that he was pleased that 1573 01:28:05,180 --> 01:28:09,030 this had happened and-and called her "cow dung" the day after, 1574 01:28:09,050 --> 01:28:13,000 so you know, there wasn't universal condemnation of this 1575 01:28:13,020 --> 01:28:14,010 act in Malta. 1576 01:28:14,030 --> 01:28:16,150 Perhaps there should have been. 1577 01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:18,210 NEWS REPORTER 44: A court in Malta has charged three men with 1578 01:28:18,230 --> 01:28:21,080 the murder of Daphne Caruana Galiza. 1579 01:28:21,100 --> 01:28:23,200 Maltase media say the authorities honed in on the 1580 01:28:23,220 --> 01:28:27,040 suspects following telephone intercepts. 1581 01:28:27,060 --> 01:28:29,120 Police arrested 10 men on on Monday in connection with 1582 01:28:29,140 --> 01:28:31,050 the killing. 1583 01:28:31,070 --> 01:28:35,020 Seven have been released on bail pending further inquiries. 1584 01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,060 MAN 11: It was just all a big show. 1585 01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,210 MATTHEW: I am quite confident that they were the people who 1586 01:28:41,230 --> 01:28:45,220 executed the orders to assassinate my mother, 1587 01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,050 but my mother never wrote about them, 1588 01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:52,040 she never investigated them, she had no idea who they were. 1589 01:28:52,060 --> 01:28:55,190 They've probably never even read what she wrote. 1590 01:28:57,070 --> 01:28:59,060 JACOB: They may have the people who-who pushed a button, 1591 01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,060 who-who, you know, who set off the bomb, 1592 01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:02,220 but they're definitely not the masterminds, 1593 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,010 and they definitely, you know, wouldn't have had the motive to 1594 01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:07,150 do it, so the big question is, you know, 1595 01:29:07,170 --> 01:29:09,150 who ordered this kill, and ultimately, 1596 01:29:09,170 --> 01:29:12,160 who paid them, as well? 1597 01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,160 MAN 10: The way it was done, it was also a way of getting 1598 01:29:17,180 --> 01:29:19,130 sources to stop talking. 1599 01:30:02,220 --> 01:30:05,150 NEWS REPORTER 45: The two founders of Panamanian law firm 1600 01:30:05,170 --> 01:30:09,020 Mossack Fonseca were arrested after both were indicted on 1601 01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:11,000 charges of money laundering. 1602 01:31:14,150 --> 01:31:18,010 ROBERTO: Porcell, I think, is trying to do what has to be 1603 01:31:18,030 --> 01:31:23,210 done, but the judiciary, which is where she has to deposit 1604 01:31:23,230 --> 01:31:31,090 her investigations, has zero credibility at this point. 1605 01:31:32,060 --> 01:31:36,080 If you talk to Panamanians out there about this, 1606 01:31:36,100 --> 01:31:39,010 the reaction is "No pasa nada"... 1607 01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:41,050 Nothing will happen. 1608 01:31:41,070 --> 01:31:42,010 I don't think that's right. 1609 01:31:42,030 --> 01:31:45,000 I think that something will happen. 1610 01:31:45,020 --> 01:31:48,210 We have an ex-president of the Supreme Court in jail. 1611 01:31:48,230 --> 01:31:52,010 We have an ex-president in jail in Miami. 1612 01:31:52,030 --> 01:31:54,170 I mean, there are things happening. 1613 01:31:59,070 --> 01:32:01,120 I feel that somewhere along the way, 1614 01:32:01,140 --> 01:32:04,230 in incremental bits, we'll be solving these problems. 1615 01:32:05,010 --> 01:32:09,180 It's just a, a human problem that we have to face all over 1616 01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:12,040 the world. 1617 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,020 FREDERIK: This is not only about Panama, 1618 01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:20,020 that's a worldwide problem, and if it should get solved, 1619 01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,030 it's something that has to be addressed in the U.S., 1620 01:32:22,050 --> 01:32:23,170 as well. 1621 01:32:23,190 --> 01:32:24,230 KEVIN: One of the things that led to change on the U.S. 1622 01:32:25,010 --> 01:32:30,000 end that both Nevada and Wyoming changed their laws based on some 1623 01:32:30,020 --> 01:32:32,100 of what we were able to show about these nominee directors 1624 01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:34,150 that really weren't contacts. 1625 01:32:34,170 --> 01:32:37,110 And the UK government is now supporting efforts to force 1626 01:32:37,130 --> 01:32:41,010 transparency in overseas tax havens that do that by 1627 01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:44,020 introducing public registries across the 1628 01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:44,110 commonwealth countries. 1629 01:32:48,130 --> 01:32:53,110 MARINA/EMILIA: 1630 01:32:53,130 --> 01:32:55,100 WOMAN 5: Panama Papers hasn't ended yet. 1631 01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:56,120 It's still going. 1632 01:32:56,140 --> 01:33:01,010 Every week, there's a new Panama Papers development. 1633 01:33:01,030 --> 01:33:04,040 Reporters are still in the database and are still searching 1634 01:33:04,060 --> 01:33:08,070 and still finding things that we missed. 1635 01:33:10,180 --> 01:33:13,120 MARISA: While there have been a lot of investigations launched, 1636 01:33:13,140 --> 01:33:17,220 including in the U.S., and there have been a number of people all 1637 01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,110 across the world who have been arrested, 1638 01:33:20,130 --> 01:33:25,070 there has been an element of inaction in areas that really 1639 01:33:25,090 --> 01:33:29,080 matter, reform that would prevent these offshores from 1640 01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:32,080 being created in the way they are created. 1641 01:33:32,100 --> 01:33:33,110 There was a lot of talk about it, 1642 01:33:33,130 --> 01:33:38,100 but yet, that hasn't happened in a significant way. 1643 01:33:40,170 --> 01:33:41,200 MAN 10: I think history has shown that as important as 1644 01:33:41,220 --> 01:33:45,160 Panama Papers are in revealing this kind of underbelly of 1645 01:33:45,180 --> 01:33:49,100 global finance and how it ties into the whole inequality 1646 01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:52,140 question, I think it also will probably lead to a 1647 01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:53,170 better mousetrap. 1648 01:33:53,190 --> 01:33:54,170 GERARD: Will the scams go on? 1649 01:33:54,190 --> 01:33:56,010 Will there be new ways found? 1650 01:33:56,030 --> 01:33:57,170 Yes, of course. 1651 01:33:57,190 --> 01:33:59,210 You know, they, it-it, you know, the world will probably just get 1652 01:33:59,230 --> 01:34:01,030 a bit more sophisticated. 1653 01:34:01,050 --> 01:34:04,050 MATTHEW: There's a democratic backsliding in the world in 1654 01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:08,120 general, and I think that this is taking journalism down 1655 01:34:08,140 --> 01:34:09,190 with it. 1656 01:34:09,210 --> 01:34:13,000 It's kind of strange that, at that same time, 1657 01:34:13,020 --> 01:34:16,130 it's a golden age for investigative journalism. 1658 01:34:16,150 --> 01:34:20,020 Our work has never been as important as it is now. 1659 01:34:43,190 --> 01:34:45,140 JOHN: But when it takes a whistleblower to sound 1660 01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:49,010 the alarm, it is cause for even greater concern. 1661 01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:54,060 It signals that democracy's checks and balance have all 1662 01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:58,120 failed, that the breakdown is systemic, 1663 01:34:58,140 --> 01:35:02,040 and that severe instability could be just around the corner. 1663 01:35:03,305 --> 01:35:09,661 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org 140518

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