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Becoming a mother
was my first concern.
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How she'd be born
didn't really matter.
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I wanted her
to be healthy.
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I prepared myself
for a natural birth
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doing yoga and talking to people
who had already had a normal birth.
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But today I'm aware
I didn't have any knowledge
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of the physiology
of natural birth,
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its importance for
the baby and the mother.
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MOTHER AND BIOLOGIST
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I didn't care about it.
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What I cared about was
my anxiety and the doctor's opinion,
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who cared more about his time,
that was more valuable
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than my daughter's life.
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When I went to the doctor,
with the report of a cord loop,
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he said: "She has
an umbilical cord loop around her neck
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and that may
kill your baby."
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When a mother hears that,
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if she isn't prepared,
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and has never heard about it,
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she says to the doctor:
"What do I do?"
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and he said: "Let's schedule
a C-section to prevent it."
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I was 38 weeks and two days pregnant
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and it was scheduled
for the next day.
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Everything went just fine,
my recovery was nice,
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the baby's APGAR
was good.
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So, to me, it had been
a perfect delivery.
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My daughter was fine.
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When I got pregnant
with my second daughter,
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she was three years old,
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I showed what it was like to have
a baby in the belly and to be born.
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And I played the video
from the day she was born.
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And we were both shocked,
though I had seen the video before.
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But that moment touched me
because she kept asking:
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"Mom, why am I alone?
I was born and there's nobody with me."
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She was,
as she said it herself, abandoned.
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She didn't use these words,
but it was something like:
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"You left me alone, mom. Why?
I was in your belly and now I'm alone.
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Where are you, mom?
Where's dad?"
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I saw my daughter come out of me,
the way she was taken out,
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being shown very quickly to me
by a pediatrician
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who didn't let her
come close to me.
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I asked them to untie me,
but they didn't.
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After watching the video I could see
the way they had treated her.
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Going through several procedures
that I consider highly unnecessary.
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It was cold,
there was a bright light in her eyes.
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She was crying.
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Besides being
brutally taken out,
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she had to endure all that
in her first minute.
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Then, I made up my mind:
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"My next daughter will be born
the most natural way possible.
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This is not going
to happen again."
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And I sought for information
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to know why,
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and what I could do,
so that my child could be born well,
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and I found it.
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BIRTH REBORN
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A FILM BY ERICA DE PAULA
AND EDUARDO CHAUVET
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We are lucky to be dealing with an issue
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that has to do with everyone.
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Everyone was born
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and most people'll desire
to have a child.
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So this subject is related
to the whole society.
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DOCTOR AND RESEARCHER
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There are stories that child births
in pre-agricultural civilizations
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were much simpler and faster.
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The way childbirth is assisted
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in contemporary industrialized societies
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is a quite new event
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if we take into consideration
the time we have been on Earth.
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Childbirth was something absolutely
of women among women.
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From that time on,
we've had several changes.
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We've had great
technological breakthroughs,
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the entrance of the doctor
in the childbirth scenario
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and, of course, when we place
women inside a hospital,
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two other things come historically:
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horizontal delivery and episiotomy.
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EPISIOTOMY
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When men got into the sacred
and hidden universe of birth
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ended up bringing along,
with the lights of reasoning,
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a shift in the models
and paradigms of childbirth care.
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Not long ago, the majority of babies
were delivered at home,
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attended by people
from the community and by women.
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Of course, back then…
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OBSTETRIC NURSE
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…if there was a problem,
mother and baby'd die.
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But not anymore, because we can combine
what science has acquired
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and what popular knowledge brings us.
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Women started going to a place
specifically built to assist sick people…
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SURGERY CENTER
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…such as a hospital,
only 40 to 50 years ago.
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Therefore, it's very violent
the transformation…
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OBSTETRICIAN
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…from an affectionate family event
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with people known to the woman,
where she exerted a certain control,
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to an absolutely strange,
inhospitable place,
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with complete strangers
to her everyday life
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and full of machines.
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Thus, quite a scary place
for most women.
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It is no wonder that many women,
upon arrival to the hospital,
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start presenting problems,
which will subsequently be treated
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with more technology
added by the doctors.
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CURRENT REALITY
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ANTHROPOLOGIST
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When women migrated to the hospitals
to have their children,
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they lost their power over birth
to the doctors.
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Women ended up settling
to rigid patterns of the medical system
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of delivering within a number of hours,
and behaving in a standardized way.
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Oxytocin, endorphin,
prolactin and even adrenalin
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are fundamental
to the bonding phenomenon
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between the mother and child.
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These are extremely important hormones
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that were molded in the birth process
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in a very subtle way.
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VITAMIN C
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OXYTOCIN
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We can't give birth
like our mothers used to.
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My mother and my grandmother had
three normal deliveries.
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Anyway, we ask ourselves…
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MOTHER AND PUBLIC MANAGER
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…what is happening with our bodies,
with our history?
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That we can't do anymore
what should be normal,
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what other mammals,
other animals do.
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The childbirth care model in Brazil,
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highly technology-oriented,
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has slowly created
the culture of cesareans
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as the most comfortable way of birth…
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MANAGER OF THE MINISTRY
OF HEALTH
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…perhaps more suitable
to this consumer society.
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The world today is prone
to put you into an OR for a C-section.
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That's a fact.
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Today, childbirth in Brazil has become
a surgical procedure
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instead of a physiological event.
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Everyone sees delivery
as a surgery…
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OBSTETRICIAN
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…the doctor, the patient,
the hospital.
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The Brazilian health system
is ineffective, right?
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Even private health insurance
can't assist the way it should.
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In regard to pregnant patients,
it is increasingly true.
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Nowadays, with prenatal appointments
lasting 15 minutes,
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you can't even clarify your doubts.
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In 15 minutes you lie down,
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get your blood pressure checked
and listen to your baby.
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But how can a doctor afford
to keep his office open
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with a 15-dollar fee?
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We are all taxpayers and
we are paying…
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EPIDEMIOLOGIST
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…for an assistance
which is either inappropriate
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or endangers the lives
of women and babies.
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Nowadays, our cesarean rate,
to our sorrow, has exceeded 50%.
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We have a 52% cesarean rate in Brazil.
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There is a cultural
and economical logic to this.
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There's a reason for that.
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The patient has this thinking
that a C-section is more controlled,
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less risky, that it does not
carry any risks,
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that it will save the baby.
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The doctor, despite having learned
that vaginal birth is safe,
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good for the
mother and baby,
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ends up believing in some
of this false truth
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that a C-section is safer.
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THE INDUSTRY OF BIRTH
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I was very young.
I was 22, 23 years old.
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And I wasn't aware
of this world of C-sections.
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I thought it was possible
to have a normal birth.
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MOTHER AND NUTRITIONIST
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The doctor led me to believe
that until the end of pregnancy.
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"You'll have a normal birth,
don't worry, everything is OK."
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And suddenly she said that Pedro
had the cord around his neck.
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And that Pedro, therefore,
had to be born via C-section.
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I was very young.
I truly believed her,
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but there was something
in my unconscious
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telling me I was wrong,
that it wasn't that way.
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But who would switch doctors
at 38-39 weeks?
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What if a problem occurs?
And the whole family saying:
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"You must give birth now."
And I had the C-section.
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Sure, it's business! For the doctor,
it's much better to perform a C-section.
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FATHER AND ACTOR
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Of course there are exceptions,
there are people with more common sense
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to allow a normal birth.
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But most of them
push for a C-section.
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The time spent attending birth
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doesn't fit the time schedule
of many doctors.
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The amount paid isn't worth canceling
your private office appointments.
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You earn more there
than attending one birth.
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And we can't hide reality.
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Many C-sections are done
due to doctor's convenience.
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We see a lot more NICU admissions
the day before major holidays…
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PEDIATRICIAN
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…because on those dates C-sections
are performed more frequently.
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Obviously doctors want to spend
the holiday without the risk
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of leaving home
to attend a birth.
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But that's part of our choice.
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We chose this specialty.
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When interviewed,
postpartum women often believe…
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OBSTETRICIAN
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…there was a medical indication
for their C-sections.
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When we interview doctors,
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they blame their C-sections
on the women's decision.
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They are sometimes
in their first pregnancy
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and get slaughtered
in a cesarean,
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without the slightest
mercy or pity.
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First I had no intention
of doing a normal birth.
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I was afraid, but I started to find
that normal birth was the best.
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MOTHER AND ACCOUNTANT
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I did a lot of research on the internet,
talked to friends.
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Then, friends referred me
to their doctors.
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But most of them wanted me
to have a C-section.
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They tried to persuade me
into a C-section.
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I would go and say:
"Doc, tell me about natural childbirth."
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And he said:
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"No, Amanda, normal delivery?
That doesn't exist anymore."
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He said nowadays C-sections are quick,
you go home, recover,
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and there is no problem,
that was one doctor.
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I still had three
appointments with him,
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but he always scared me
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and my desire
for a normal birth increased.
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Now, think from the hospital perspective.
What do you prefer?
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A patient,
a pregnant woman,
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who will deliver a baby
without spending anything.
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She will just pay
for her hospital stay.
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In a natural birth
what do you spend?
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Compress, gauze,
nothing else.
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For the hospital it is more interesting
to get that scheduled patient.
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They can count how many patients
there will be during that day.
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The OR moves more
smoothly and neatly.
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When a laboring woman arrives,
the party is over, isn't it?
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For 12 hours that room cannot be used
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because there's a woman
who wants to give birth.
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It is a multifactorial problem,
there isn't a character…
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OBSTETRIC
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…who's the big bad wolf of the story.
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There are interests
that intertwine.
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But we hear a lot
that women ask for C-sections,
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and there are two aspects:
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First, if a woman thinks her option is
that horrendous birth,
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where she is abandoned
and has no privacy,
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there's cutting and pain,
she asks for a cesarean.
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Secondly, if the woman who asks
for the C-section exists.
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She's minority in Brazil.
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There is research on that.
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Potter's works, in collaboration
with Professor Faundes, have shown
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that only 20% of women in early
pregnancy preferred C-section.
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Most women get pregnant and say:
"I want a normal birth".
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As prenatal care continues,
she changes her mind.
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And sometimes things are very subtle,
like: "What a big baby!"
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"Right? Will it pass?"
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"It's hard, such a big baby."
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And the woman loses confidence.
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"Oh, you want a normal birth!
Congratulations, because it hurts a lot!"
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"It's very difficult,
you are brave."
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That kind of subliminal message
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that normal birth is difficult, painful,
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a super difficult challenge to overcome,
undermines her confidence.
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She then says:
"It's true, am I ready for that?"
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FETAL EVALUATION
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Three weeks before my due date,
he said that
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though she was well-positioned,
she was too large.
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He prescribed an ultrasound,
and referred me to a doctor.
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We saw my baby moving.
Everything was fine.
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Then we saw a frozen image
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with a baby with the cord around
his neck.
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We realized it wasn't our daughter.
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We said something to the doctor,
showing our distrust…
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MOTHER AND TEACHER
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…and he changed the subject.
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We went to another clinic,
to a doctor we trusted,
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who attended my first birth,
my first pregnancy.
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I did an ultrasound 30 minutes later
and didn't see a cord around her neck.
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That day I returned
to my doctor's office
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and showed him the second ultrasound
without the cord around her neck.
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"You didn't go to the doctor
I recommended?"
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I said: "No, went to this doctor,
whom I trust."
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He said:
"The thing is your baby is big.
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It can't be a normal birth.
You'll need a C-section."
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I said: "Doctor, can't I wait,
you know, for contractions,
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any sign that she is
ready to be born?"
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He said: "No, we can schedule.
I have a free day, Wednesday,
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if you schedule a C-section,
I'll do it.
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Otherwise,
you can find another doctor".
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For surgeons, it's the
scalpel curse.
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It is a very easy solution.
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You must have
philosophical principles
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and very strong convictions
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not to give in to this temptation.
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Some private health insurances
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pay only $60 for a doctor
to attend a birth.
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Sixty dollars!
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It's a great responsibility,
you have to be available,
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since she enters the ninth month,
you have to be available
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from dusk till dawn.
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I guess it's the only specialty where
you have two lives in your hands.
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The hospital offers no kind of support
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no physical structure.
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Comes a point
when you get tired.
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Many doctors start doing
vaginal births.
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At first they fight but
get lost as time goes by.
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If you don't have
very strong convictions,
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that creates a dissatisfaction,
and you say: "I won't do it anymore".
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MYTHS
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Many myths have been
created about the risks.
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As a protective mother,
you want to minimize them.
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"Do you want bigger
risks for your baby?"
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So, if you want to talk about risks,
stop, study, read.
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Understand what are
in fact the risks.
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Prenatal myths are numerous.
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We find them in beauty salon chats.
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"My neighbor's cousin."
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"She tried a vaginal birth
and something horrible happened."
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At the doctor's,
the myths we find are:
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the baby is big and won't pass,
the woman is old, she can't give birth,
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and by old I mean she is over 30, 35.
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Or she is too young to give birth,
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too fat or too skinny to give birth,
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sedentary, or her
vagina will become loose.
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That it hurts a lot,
that if you have high blood pressure
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or diabetes you can't give birth.
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Cord around the neck,
baby is too big,
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baby is too small,
advanced placenta maturity,
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too much or little liquid,
are all fake indications.
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They are ghostly entities created
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as cesarean indications.
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One of the greatest excuses is
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the cord wrapped around
the baby's neck.
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It's absolutely physiological
and around 40% of the babies
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are born with a loop of cord
around their necks.
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But there's the "killing cord" myth.
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There isn't any chance of a baby
being strangled
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by his umbilical cord.
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We also hear a lot that
the woman didn't go into labor.
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That's a lie because
all women go into labor.
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But if we operate before she does
then clearly she won't go into labor.
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But if we wait until 42 weeks,
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which is the duration of a pregnancy,
women will go into labor.
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We hear a lot about lack of dilation,
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but this is extremely rare.
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Most cases referred to
as lack of dilation,
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there wasn't any respect
for its physiology.
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Women were admitted
to the hospital too early,
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not in active labor.
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Or even without the
labor having started.
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It takes patience and waiting,
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as dilation won't happen as if by magic.
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I remember asking:
"ls everything all right with him?"
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I told her that once born,
I wanted him to come to me.
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I wasn't happy with that C-section.
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"Look, when he is born,
please, leave him with me."
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And I asked if he was OK
and no one answered.
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And I was worried because Pedro went
somewhere with the pediatrician.
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"Is he OK?"
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Then she came to me and said:
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"Andrea, everything's fine
with your son, relax!"
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And I said: "OK, everything is fine,
but I want him here with me."
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I felt so fragile
with that rude answer she gave me.
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And she was so insensitive
in such an important moment.
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She didn't respect that.
For her, it's just one more.
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It's indifferent.
Just another one being born.
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CESAREAN SURGERY
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Cesarean is a wonderful surgery
that saves lives every day
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but it is not to be performed
in every patient
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in an unnecessary way,
without labor.
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When it isn't medically indicated,
it puts woman and baby at risk
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three times more than
in a normal delivery.
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For the baby, the risk of an unnecessary
cesarean surgery
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is the risk of being born prematurely.
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Ultrasound is important,
for instance,
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to estimate gestational age
until 13 weeks.
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It is more accurate in this period.
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Near the end of pregnancy,
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it can miscalculate
in plus or minus two weeks.
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Some studies point that
this error is usually for less.
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So, we think the baby
is 37 or 38 weeks
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when in reality she is two weeks younger.
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Nowadays this is what we call
a hidden epidemic
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which happens in higher social classes
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where the way to be born
is through a C-section.
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And a schedule accommodated C-section.
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The consequence is premature babies,
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that need to go to the NICU
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with all the repercussion
of being premature,
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of not being birth-ready
and forced to be born.
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Among lay public the idea is
that the C-section saved that baby.
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If the baby was born like
that by C-section,
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imagine if we had waited
three weeks for a normal birth!
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If there is one really
radical thing, that's birth.
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It's true, clamping the cord,
abstracting from all symbolism,
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You are attached to a placenta,
which is attached to your mother,
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all functioning biologically as one.
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And in one second you say:
"deal with it",
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this is deeply radical,
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and that's what happens
in a scheduled C-section.
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World Health Organization studies
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show that C-sections
without a defined clinical indication
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may cause respiratory complications
for the newborn,
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increasing his chance of being admitted
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into the neonatal ICU
and increasing neonatal mortality.
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For the mother there's a higher risk
of hemorrhage and infections,
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let alone long-term complications.
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Then one has to look
at greater populations,
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not ten births but a thousand at least.
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And then we will identify that
in elective C-sections,
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there are more more infections,
more weaning,
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a more difficult mother-baby bonding.
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00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:15,470
It's evident that if he's born this way,
the baby isn't given to his mother,
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she is not allowed to nurse in the OR.
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00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,366
No one waits for the birth to end
before all other procedures are done,
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it's like an assembly line.
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What I want to know is:
did we schedule with the baby
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to be born Friday 4 PM,
and if we did,
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did he answer that
he is ready to come?
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This is an impossible agreement!
That doesn't exist.
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00:33:21,530 --> 00:33:24,946
When I switched doctors,
I had three appointments with him
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and I was being put on the backburner.
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I always told him
I wanted a normal birth
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and in one of the visits
I was already eight months pregnant,
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and he said: "Look, Amanda,
I can't deliver your baby."
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Outraged, I started looking
for another doctor,
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00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,226
but I was eight
months pregnant,
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I need to have my baby,
and to have her normally.
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One day I felt sick
and went to a hospital, to the ER.
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And I met this doctor,
told him my story,
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that I wanted a normal birth,
and he said:
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"Amanda, you have a good pelvis,
we can deliver your baby".
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So I had my last prenatal visits
with this doctor
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and waited for the day to come.
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ESSENTIAL FEMALE DEFECTIVENESS
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Human birth is an event
that has been molded over
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five to seven million years
of experimentation.
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00:34:29,170 --> 00:34:32,929
In spite of those million years
of improvement
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in the contemporary obstetric model,
it was fundamental
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00:34:38,050 --> 00:34:42,735
the idea that women are
essentially incompetent,
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00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:46,826
and unable to handle the
birth process by themselves.
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00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:51,406
We were trained to believe
that female's bodies are defective,
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that a woman needs
interventions to give birth.
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00:34:56,850 --> 00:35:00,760
That our intervention
is always necessary.
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00:35:00,850 --> 00:35:05,306
Women believe that they're unable
to give birth to their children
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in a more natural
and physiological way
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because culture contaminates
their self-esteem.
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00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:17,750
And then, what should've essentially been
an empowering process
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by giving birth to their children
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became a process that fundamentally
strengthens doctors and corporations.
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00:35:26,850 --> 00:35:31,320
We have a lot to learn from
countryside women
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because they are
in close contact
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with their own being and with nature.
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When they get pregnant, they do
not doubt whether or not they can birth,
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their brain doesn't get in the way.
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00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,820
The mind of the modern woman
does get in the way,
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We need to clear ourselves from
the mental contamination,
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00:35:55,630 --> 00:35:57,556
this social idea that the woman
will not give birth…
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00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,196
MIDWIFE AND ANTHROPOLOGIST
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…that modern woman cannot birth.
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00:36:01,780 --> 00:36:03,236
This is not true.
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00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,870
We women know how to give birth!
And we enjoy giving birth.
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00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:52,416
I've always been skinny,
my hips are narrow.
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00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:54,846
I used to think I had some defect,
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00:36:54,930 --> 00:36:59,020
that I'd never be able to give birth
until I got pregnant.
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00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:02,770
I ended up switching OB doctors,
because I heard stories…
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00:37:02,860 --> 00:37:04,136
MOTHER AND GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE
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…that my first doctor'd make up excuses
to make C-sections.
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After being able to give
birth normally
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00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,600
I realized I don't have any defect.
I'm part of Nature's perfection.
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00:37:16,690 --> 00:37:20,776
My daughter was born small
because I'm a small woman.
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00:37:20,860 --> 00:37:23,200
Even there Nature was perfect.
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00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:28,040
The current childbirth model
in Brazil and many countries
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is doubtlessly based on pathology.
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00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:36,050
We sometimes end up doing
what we call prenatal nocebo effect.
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We always try to label the woman.
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Either she has high
or low blood pressure,
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too much or little fluid,
gained too much or little weight.
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00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:48,496
These are minor issues that are created
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00:37:48,580 --> 00:37:51,546
to show that this woman has a problem.
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Hardly does a woman leave
any prenatal visit feeling happy and OK.
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It is very good to face pregnancy
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not as a state of tension, worries
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00:38:04,350 --> 00:38:06,480
that something might go wrong.
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00:38:06,570 --> 00:38:09,110
It is "How nice!
I am creating life!"
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00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,840
"A gorgeous pregnant woman!
How cool! What a blessing!"
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An OB who worked for several years
in a reference hospital
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00:38:18,980 --> 00:38:22,786
has seen so many problems
that it's difficult to separate things.
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And most pregnancies are healthy,
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but the complicated cases
make an impression.
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If you tell the doctor:
"I want a normal birth",
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the classic answer is:
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"If everything is all right,
then you can have a normal birth."
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00:38:37,210 --> 00:38:42,070
When we say "if everything is all right",
we invert it.
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00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,030
You are going to have a normal birth,
unless something bad happens.
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I was here at home,
already sleeping,
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00:40:25,660 --> 00:40:28,460
when my water broke at 3 AM.
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So we called the doctor.
488
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:34,530
And he was waking
up and asked:
489
00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:37,126
"What time is it?"
I said: "3 AM."
490
00:40:37,210 --> 00:40:39,676
And he said:
"Amanda, you gotta wait now."
491
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,810
Five minutes later he called me,
I'm not kidding.
492
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:47,576
He said: "Amanda, go to the hospital
493
00:40:47,660 --> 00:40:52,320
because I have to check on your dilation,
494
00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:56,280
let's check everything,
the color of the fluid."
495
00:40:56,530 --> 00:40:58,306
And everything was OK.
496
00:40:58,390 --> 00:41:02,106
I told him the color, and he said:
"Go to the hospital to check,
497
00:41:02,190 --> 00:41:05,616
when you arrive there,
you'll be checked by a colleague.
498
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:09,430
If that's the case,
we'll perform a C-section."
499
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,006
When I got to the hospital,
she checked,
500
00:41:13,090 --> 00:41:15,726
and I was just 1 cm dilated.
501
00:41:15,810 --> 00:41:20,406
My doctor arrived right away
and said: "This can be very harmful
502
00:41:20,490 --> 00:41:25,426
because until you go through
all the dilation process
503
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:29,500
it can take long
and can lead to fetal distress."
504
00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:33,330
I got scared, and I said:
"I won't let that happen."
505
00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:35,570
"Do what you must."
506
00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:46,330
EVIDENCE-BASED MEDICINE
507
00:41:47,140 --> 00:41:51,926
In theory there should be
a bridge uniting
508
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:54,970
scientific knowledge produced by some,
509
00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:57,620
to the obstetric practice
carried by others.
510
00:41:57,710 --> 00:42:01,086
Sadly, this bridge is broken
in many circumstances.
511
00:42:01,170 --> 00:42:05,920
Contrary to what many lay people think,
for a long time,
512
00:42:06,010 --> 00:42:10,860
medical practice was not supported
by solid scientific evidence.
513
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:14,226
When we started talking about
evidence-based medicine,
514
00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:19,086
some people, especially health providers,
were shocked.
515
00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:23,016
"How?
Isn't medicine based on evidence?"
516
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:26,366
"Isn't medicine a scientific activity?"
517
00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:32,750
Actually, most clinical
practice until recently
518
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,396
was not endorsed by
solid scientific evidence.
519
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,966
Some researchers realized
520
00:42:40,050 --> 00:42:44,250
that childbirth care was based
on guessing,
521
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:47,130
on medical dogma.
522
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,380
Then they questioned that,
started to investigate
523
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:57,176
and to compare births
with or without episiotomy and Pitocin.
524
00:42:57,260 --> 00:43:01,280
And it dawned on them that
most procedures were harmful and painful
525
00:43:01,370 --> 00:43:04,160
and shouldn't be
routinely performed.
526
00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:05,710
It's tragic.
527
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:12,820
Many health professionals didn't
have access to this knowledge.
528
00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:19,780
Many medical school professors
didn't update their teachings
529
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,516
according to scientific evidences.
530
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,036
There is that common speech:
531
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,776
"I've been delivering babies
for 30 years,
532
00:43:26,860 --> 00:43:29,700
performed episiotomy
and never had problems,
533
00:43:29,790 --> 00:43:31,506
I'm not going to change now."
534
00:43:31,590 --> 00:43:37,450
It's very difficult to go against
this authoritative speech.
535
00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:41,910
If the doctor said so,
who knows better than the doctor?
536
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:46,690
RITUALISTIC INTERVENTIONS
537
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,190
Human birth merges together
538
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,620
the three most feared events to mankind:
539
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:11,290
life, death and sexuality.
540
00:44:11,540 --> 00:44:16,230
It's for that reason
that we feel the need to ritualize birth,
541
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:22,686
to have, as health professionals,
the delusion of control over it.
542
00:44:22,770 --> 00:44:29,060
That's why we resort to numerous
ritualistic non-scientific interventions
543
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:31,490
when attending
births in hospitals.
544
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:57,876
Women are obliged to give birth
in the conventional dorsal position
545
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,756
they must lie down during labor,
546
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,240
and suffer unnecessary interventions.
547
00:45:25,070 --> 00:45:28,910
And during birth itself,
apart from several aggressive,
548
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,800
inadequate verbal orders,
there are other interventions
549
00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:38,800
such as episiotomy
and Kristeller maneuver.
550
00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:43,626
It is estimated that no more
than 15% of women
551
00:45:43,710 --> 00:45:49,950
present health or birth dynamics problems
to require some sort of intervention.
552
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,970
Nevertheless we are close
to 100% intervention.
553
00:45:53,060 --> 00:45:56,230
It isn't possible that 100% of women
may have a defect
554
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,170
or problems that prevent them
from giving birth naturally.
555
00:46:00,260 --> 00:46:02,920
Weren't our bodies made for this?
556
00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:06,820
My water broke at home,
but during birth
557
00:46:06,910 --> 00:46:09,446
the OB climbed upon my stomach
along with the pediatrician to help me.
558
00:46:09,530 --> 00:46:10,916
MOTHER AND HOUSEWIFE
559
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,670
The pediatrician pushed,
telling me to push harder.
560
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,896
And they cut me down here,
so I could deliver the baby.
561
00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:24,630
Contemporary society frequently produces
the poison and then sells the antidote.
562
00:46:24,750 --> 00:46:27,260
That's clearly what happened
to childbirth.
563
00:46:28,210 --> 00:46:32,376
And then people have this
collective fantasy
564
00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:36,536
that it was either the mother's,
the baby's, or the delivery's fault.
565
00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:39,330
The problem wasn't caused
by the intervention.
566
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:42,660
So the idea is that hospital saved
all these people
567
00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:48,070
when the hospital practices created
all those subsequent problems.
568
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,130
Sometimes it works like a cascade
of inadequate procedures.
569
00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:56,456
For every procedure
you have its inherent risk
570
00:46:56,540 --> 00:47:00,380
and also the risk of needing
additional interventions
571
00:47:00,470 --> 00:47:03,426
in order to fix
what the first one has caused.
572
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:08,490
Women are not asked for permission
for all the procedures
573
00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:10,736
that are made on their bodies.
574
00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:14,020
They sometimes suffer interventions
575
00:47:14,110 --> 00:47:16,550
that are very aggressive.
576
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,750
It's a dilemma that we must
solve by searching
577
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,100
for another model of childbirth care,
578
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,360
a natural birth indeed
579
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:29,116
in which physiology should be
respected,
580
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,006
in which interventions would be performed
581
00:47:32,090 --> 00:47:34,950
under strict indication only.
582
00:47:38,890 --> 00:47:41,620
A newborn is like wet cement
583
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:47,276
and everything that they feel
and their every sensation is amplified.
584
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,916
So, if he is born
at a cozy home,
585
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,716
in the warm arms of his parents,
with skin-to-skin contact,
586
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,350
the message he receives is
"it's worth being born",
587
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,960
this world is warming and receptive.
588
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:10,160
But if he is born and separated
from his parents,
589
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:14,956
it is a beginning marked by the need
590
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,160
for survival which is very hard on them.
591
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,926
The classical hospital childbirth
is very violent.
592
00:48:36,010 --> 00:48:38,186
The cold, the handling of the baby…
593
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:39,606
PERINATAL PSYCHOLOGIST
594
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:41,590
…stretching that little shrunken body.
595
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,136
The noise, the light.
596
00:48:44,220 --> 00:48:48,580
It is a great shock
that the first transition of their lives
597
00:48:48,670 --> 00:48:50,620
is marked by violence.
598
00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:11,666
When Pedro was born,
at bath time,
599
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:15,000
the nurse picked him up
like a chicken. I said: "Stop!"
600
00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:18,490
She said: "I do it every day!"
I said: "But he doesn't."
601
00:49:18,580 --> 00:49:22,830
I don't care if you always do this,
my son is a newborn, and he's unique.
602
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:27,976
He has never been grabbed
like a chicken! So let me do it."
603
00:49:28,060 --> 00:49:30,986
As pediatricians,
many of us were trained
604
00:49:31,070 --> 00:49:35,370
to suction the baby's mouth
so they can breathe more easily.
605
00:49:35,460 --> 00:49:37,936
But if any of us,
at an adult age,
606
00:49:38,020 --> 00:49:42,396
go through mouth suction,
we will vomit, it'll hurt,
607
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,660
and we will feel discomfort
to eat anything afterwards.
608
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:51,380
And we are trained to do this
to all newborn.
609
00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:56,550
When it is unnecessary,
babies may perceive this
610
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,030
as an intense aggression
at their birth.
611
00:50:01,310 --> 00:50:05,556
We see lots of dreadful mistakes,
612
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,080
but the kid is alive,
so everybody…
613
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:10,646
The doctor worked a miracle.
614
00:50:10,730 --> 00:50:13,980
Sorry, the woman gave birth,
and God was backing her up.
615
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,790
SURVIVING IS NOT ENOUGH…
616
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,586
Unlike everyone's belief,
birth will mark the child's life.
617
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:26,220
"What difference does it make?"
In fact, it makes a huge difference.
618
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:29,386
The idea is not
the baby surviving being born
619
00:50:29,470 --> 00:50:31,270
and the mother the childbirth.
620
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,190
It's about quality.
621
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,586
The idea is to have tenderness
during every aspect,
622
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:41,010
in every moment of labor and childbirth
623
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:43,206
and during the baby's first hours
of life,
624
00:50:43,290 --> 00:50:44,970
we don't want survivors.
625
00:50:45,140 --> 00:50:48,976
We want well-received and respect people.
626
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:51,430
It is more like handcraft,
you know?
627
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:57,180
You just don't take your wife
to a mass production of deliveries
628
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:59,920
where they schedule your son.
629
00:51:00,380 --> 00:51:03,820
He will be born,
you'll take him home and you'll be happy.
630
00:51:04,860 --> 00:51:08,586
But the fact is that the child
who had the opportunity
631
00:51:08,670 --> 00:51:11,040
by natural childbirth
will have benefits.
632
00:51:11,130 --> 00:51:13,630
What I find very funny
in the whole process
633
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:17,596
is the rationale behind of what
people think, even family:
634
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,246
"But they were born well, healthy.
635
00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:25,650
The doctors brought them healthy".
636
00:51:25,740 --> 00:51:27,970
No, I brought her healthy!
637
00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:33,156
I am very grateful for the doctors,
but I think the story could be
638
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:37,650
much more beautiful, everything
could have been much richer
639
00:51:37,740 --> 00:51:41,160
for me as a woman,
for me as a mother,
640
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,430
So yeah, frustrating,
very frustrating.
641
00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:51,320
I still want to cry.
It's not right!
642
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:54,650
Other mothers had
the same experience I had.
643
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:00,020
It should've been a beautiful
moment unlike what it really was.
644
00:52:00,110 --> 00:52:02,796
I feel sorrow, I'm angry,
645
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,750
and I'm even afraid of my next pregnancy.
646
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,946
Right after Pedro was born
647
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:24,140
I started studying.
I should have studied before.
648
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:27,540
I started studying
the history of childbirth and I said:
649
00:52:27,630 --> 00:52:31,360
"Hey, so now I will give birth
to Nina naturally".
650
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:35,416
But the problem,
I mean, the doctors said
651
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:39,506
that the C-section
had been very recent.
652
00:52:39,590 --> 00:52:42,800
I know that nowadays
it is a common strategy,
653
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:46,310
"once you have a C-section,
you'll always have C-sections".
654
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,286
And I said: "I'm not going
through my whole life
655
00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:51,210
without delivering naturally."
656
00:52:53,260 --> 00:52:56,170
I can't deprive myself
of having that experience.
657
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,726
And it was great.
658
00:52:59,810 --> 00:53:03,420
It was this overwhelming experience,
and then Nina came.
659
00:53:05,340 --> 00:53:09,536
I was in labor for 12 hours
it was an amazing experience.
660
00:53:09,620 --> 00:53:14,430
And I felt I could leave
this world happily
661
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,696
that's exactly what I felt.
662
00:53:16,780 --> 00:53:21,390
I felt like if I had given birth.
It was our thing, me and Nina's.
663
00:53:29,110 --> 00:53:32,700
DELIVERY
664
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:39,126
Going into natural labor means
that the baby is ready to be born.
665
00:53:39,210 --> 00:53:45,070
But what exactly makes a baby be born
on the 4th, the 28th, or on the 10th?
666
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,490
We don't know.
667
00:53:46,580 --> 00:53:50,430
But when it happens at term,
668
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,190
that's the best choice that
the baby herself made.
669
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,450
That's where the importance
of labor lies.
670
00:53:57,540 --> 00:54:02,936
During labor,
several physiological changes occur
671
00:54:03,020 --> 00:54:07,866
which provide the baby with
better adaptation as soon as she is born.
672
00:54:07,950 --> 00:54:11,416
Evidence shows that labor
673
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:15,450
triggers hormonal discharges
which help the baby mature
674
00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:18,610
which send her messages telling her:
675
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:22,760
"It's time to be born,
get your systems ready".
676
00:54:23,620 --> 00:54:29,186
A child that is born after labor,
even by C-section,
677
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:33,060
will be healthier than those
who were taken out,
678
00:54:33,150 --> 00:54:37,180
who were sleeping like kings
in the womb, and suddenly
679
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:39,896
you yank them out like
"You're outside now."
680
00:54:39,980 --> 00:54:43,856
So we are talking about
short-term benefits,
681
00:54:43,940 --> 00:54:48,186
but there are several other
long-term ones
682
00:54:48,270 --> 00:54:52,806
that will last during
the baby's entire life.
683
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:57,326
Labor plays a fundamental role in birth.
684
00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:59,490
Regarding safety,
685
00:54:59,580 --> 00:55:02,996
which is a very important concern
to the mother, obviously,
686
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,946
it is much safer to respect
physiological conditions of birth
687
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:11,106
than other varieties, such as:
688
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:17,466
"Be here tomorrow at 4 PM
and your baby will be born at 5."
689
00:55:17,550 --> 00:55:19,310
And we didn't
ask the baby.
690
00:55:30,420 --> 00:55:32,146
When I decided to
be a mother,
691
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:37,120
I decided I wanted a natural childbirth.
692
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:42,500
It was not at all easy as it took
eight hours and the pain was intense.
693
00:55:42,650 --> 00:55:44,956
The way we conducted my labor…
694
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,350
MÃE AND BUSINESSWOMAN
695
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:51,086
…didn't make me think about giving up.
696
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:53,646
We used palliative pain management,
697
00:55:53,730 --> 00:55:56,240
such as acupuncture,
massage.
698
00:55:56,330 --> 00:56:02,646
I spent the whole labor with my doula
and my husband, which was fundamental!
699
00:56:02,730 --> 00:56:05,166
We dimmed the lights,
I listened to music.
700
00:56:05,250 --> 00:56:07,206
I managed to focus.
701
00:56:07,290 --> 00:56:09,760
I had this strong connection
with my body.
702
00:56:11,310 --> 00:56:14,126
In the end, I found everything
was beautiful.
703
00:56:14,210 --> 00:56:19,386
I think natural childbirth is
a great poetry, it is very poetic,
704
00:56:19,470 --> 00:56:25,530
when you allow your instinct
and your body to work on its behalf.
705
00:56:33,660 --> 00:56:38,896
When a woman experiences
uterine contractions,
706
00:56:38,980 --> 00:56:41,380
and receives the
"hormonal cocktail",
707
00:56:41,470 --> 00:56:45,546
establishing the bond
with the newborn is much easier.
708
00:56:45,630 --> 00:56:49,450
Women recover physically
much faster, they bleed less.
709
00:56:49,740 --> 00:56:52,176
So anemia is unlikely,
710
00:56:52,260 --> 00:56:54,480
and there is less risk
of infection.
711
00:56:54,570 --> 00:56:59,160
Actually, even high-risk pregnancies,
in general,
712
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,230
will benefit from normal birth.
713
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,016
When I pictured myself pregnant…
I have three girls.
714
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:11,976
I've always wanted to be a mother,
always considered normal birth,
715
00:57:12,060 --> 00:57:15,586
I had this instinct that
this would be better,
716
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:18,930
and much more pleasant,
and it'd be more fulfilling.
717
00:57:19,150 --> 00:57:21,336
Before birth,
there was that challenge too…
718
00:57:21,420 --> 00:57:22,916
OBSTETRICIAN
719
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,386
…I heard in the hospital where I worked
that for ten years
720
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:28,990
no physician had given birth naturally.
721
00:57:29,180 --> 00:57:33,950
That was another bit
of a challenge for me.
722
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,316
"So, now you are all going to see
a doctor giving birth".
723
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:43,270
Of course I felt very
powerful afterwards.
724
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,206
That's very interesting because today
725
00:57:46,290 --> 00:57:52,806
I am an OB-Gyn, so I'm a role model for
my patients, I lead by example, right?
726
00:57:52,890 --> 00:57:59,130
So it's like: Do as I say,
but I did it too.
727
00:57:59,220 --> 00:58:02,860
I really believe
in what I'm offering them!
728
00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:06,780
LABOR PAIN
729
00:58:07,610 --> 00:58:11,736
For us, women from western
Judeo-Christian civilization,
730
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:16,170
that biblical saying has a great impact,
"with pain will you give birth".
731
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,286
As if becoming a mother
were connected to suffering.
732
00:58:20,370 --> 00:58:26,446
And the media such as TV and the movies
contribute to enhance this idea
733
00:58:26,530 --> 00:58:30,780
showing women in labor groaning
and writhing in pain.
734
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:34,596
Of course most women will experience
pain during labor,
735
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:39,050
but testimonies reveal that
most of the complaints
736
00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:43,540
are mostly about the emotional abuse
they've suffered,
737
00:58:43,630 --> 00:58:46,730
unnecessary interventions,
not the childbirth itself.
738
00:58:50,860 --> 00:58:53,420
Childbirth is like
mountain climbing.
739
00:58:53,590 --> 00:58:55,810
You have to carry a backpack.
740
00:58:56,050 --> 00:59:00,826
Prenatal care is packing.
741
00:59:00,910 --> 00:59:03,366
It's the assurance of
a low risk pregnancy
742
00:59:03,450 --> 00:59:04,836
and that it's all fine.
743
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:09,240
Probably, when you're almost at the end
of the hike, you will get cramps
744
00:59:09,330 --> 00:59:12,650
and think you can't take it any longer.
745
00:59:12,740 --> 00:59:18,506
Then you stop, breathe and think,
"If I could get this far, I can go on."
746
00:59:18,590 --> 00:59:21,870
That's the beauty of it!
It's the possibility
747
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,396
of transcending limits,
no matter what they are:
748
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,316
tiredness, pain, sleepiness,
hunger, it's the will to endure.
749
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,866
So you connect with your inner self
and say:
750
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:35,356
"I can handle it!"
Then you go ahead!
751
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,520
And you get to the mountain top
and see the view,
752
00:59:38,610 --> 00:59:42,170
and it is totally different
from getting there by helicopter.
753
00:59:42,260 --> 00:59:44,310
You accomplished it yourself!
754
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,406
Pain and suffering are not
related at all!
755
01:00:15,490 --> 01:00:17,230
It's very important.
756
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,900
The hurtful contraction during labor
lasts one minute.
757
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:27,296
After that, you'll have three,
four, five minutes, of total relaxation,
758
01:00:27,380 --> 01:00:30,510
some women fall asleep
between contractions.
759
01:00:38,810 --> 01:00:42,756
Birth is not only a physiological act
starting with the contractions
760
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,056
and ends with the baby being born.
761
01:00:45,140 --> 01:00:49,596
It is a true rite of initiation,
of passage
762
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,846
for the mother and also
for the family and the baby
763
01:00:52,930 --> 01:00:56,306
who has an active role
and comes out stronger from it.
764
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:59,506
People think that childbirth
is something bodily.
765
01:00:59,590 --> 01:01:03,280
A process of a baby coming out.
766
01:01:03,580 --> 01:01:05,380
Just the physical aspect.
767
01:01:05,730 --> 01:01:08,326
But the more years I attend births,
768
01:01:08,410 --> 01:01:13,660
I see that birth is her soul
expressing itself through her body.
769
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:16,226
With the right conditions,
770
01:01:16,310 --> 01:01:18,820
birth can be
the most transcendental moment
771
01:01:18,910 --> 01:01:20,466
in the life of a woman,
772
01:01:20,550 --> 01:01:25,200
from all points of view:
physical, emotional, spiritual, sexual.
773
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,200
If I could give birth, I would!
774
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:00,030
Why would a mother give up
775
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,600
on her special and magical moment
and be sedated?
776
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,840
There is a complete lack
of common sense in the world,
777
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,880
as if the people were going
to just consume.
778
01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:14,950
It is such nonsense that
we use drugs,
779
01:02:15,130 --> 01:02:20,216
we go to amusement parks
to feel some intensity, isn't it?
780
01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:24,850
We can go through tragic moments,
781
01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:29,250
as well as feel that life is strong.
782
01:02:29,500 --> 01:02:32,520
But labor is a moment that is not tragic
783
01:02:32,610 --> 01:02:37,320
and is simply given to us as a gift.
784
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:46,536
We celebrate weddings
that won't last a year.
785
01:02:46,620 --> 01:02:50,166
We sometimes spend a fortune
and take years to prepare
786
01:02:50,250 --> 01:02:56,360
for so artificial and empty events.
787
01:02:56,450 --> 01:02:59,396
And labor and birth alone naturally,
788
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,500
provide us a situation
789
01:03:03,010 --> 01:03:08,260
where we find a power as a human being,
790
01:03:08,370 --> 01:03:12,306
that feeds us,
shapes us and fortifies us!
791
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:17,126
So when I see that we have 52%
of C-sections in Brazil,
792
01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:20,110
I say:
"We are losing opportunities."
793
01:03:20,610 --> 01:03:24,380
HUMANIZED CHILDBIRTH
794
01:04:53,460 --> 01:04:57,566
Doulas are birth attendants,
but they are trained ones.
795
01:04:57,650 --> 01:05:02,660
They don't perform medical
nor midwifery procedures.
796
01:05:02,980 --> 01:05:07,416
They don't replace the partner,
they have another kind of look,
797
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:10,320
a professional look over childbirth,
798
01:05:10,460 --> 01:05:12,676
even without performing procedures.
799
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:17,070
During prenatal care they help women
make their birth plan,
800
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:21,300
they inform and show sources of
evidence-based information
801
01:05:21,390 --> 01:05:24,090
so that women may
write their birth plan.
802
01:05:57,070 --> 01:06:01,680
Not separating mother and baby
and letting them eye to eye
803
01:06:01,990 --> 01:06:05,256
is the most
powerful antidote
804
01:06:05,340 --> 01:06:09,620
against any kind of baby blues
or postpartum depression.
805
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:13,670
Why do we separate a baby
from her mother at birth?
806
01:06:16,810 --> 01:06:20,820
The baby came from inside the
mother's body, under 95 or 96 ºF.
807
01:06:20,910 --> 01:06:23,500
And he shouldn't be received
at 64ºF or 68ºF,
808
01:06:23,590 --> 01:06:26,320
the temperature inside an OR.
809
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:31,646
The baby should be received
in a warm and dark environment,
810
01:06:31,730 --> 01:06:34,206
with the least possible sensory stimuli,
811
01:06:34,290 --> 01:06:36,136
because it upsets him.
812
01:06:36,220 --> 01:06:42,530
And I can check everything I need
when he is still in mom's arms.
813
01:06:44,210 --> 01:06:47,430
I don't need to give him a bath,
814
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:51,836
or to remove the vernix, which is
very important for his protection.
815
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,896
That is true also for a birth scenario
when the baby is not fully adapted,
816
01:06:56,980 --> 01:07:00,290
because he is premature or
has breathing problems,
817
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:05,670
The later I cut the cord and
separate him from his mother, the better!
818
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,180
That's a major challenge for us all.
819
01:07:12,170 --> 01:07:15,196
We will only truly
humanize childbirth
820
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:21,610
if we return to women full control
over their destiny and birth.
821
01:07:21,970 --> 01:07:26,716
The three fundamental pillars
of birth humanization are:
822
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:31,220
Firstly, handing protagonism
back to women, which is fundamental.
823
01:07:31,340 --> 01:07:35,276
Secondly, provide a broader
integrative view of the phenomenon
824
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,346
not just from a mechanical
and physiological view.
825
01:07:38,430 --> 01:07:43,480
But also including psychological,
affective, emotional, spiritual,
826
01:07:43,570 --> 01:07:47,436
cultural and in the context
with where the birth is to take place.
827
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:53,370
And last but not least, a profound bond
with evidence-based medicine.
828
01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:57,080
Everything that is nowadays said
about humanizing childbirth
829
01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:59,910
is based on the most modern research
830
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,580
on labor and childbirth procedures.
831
01:09:51,370 --> 01:09:54,279
In Brazil, most births,
832
01:09:54,410 --> 01:09:58,110
around 90%,
are attended by doctors.
833
01:09:58,220 --> 01:10:02,006
There is evidence that births
834
01:10:02,090 --> 01:10:05,280
can be attended by other professionals.
835
01:10:05,490 --> 01:10:09,220
This is the standard model of care
in many other countries.
836
01:10:54,660 --> 01:11:00,870
The World Health Organization considers
as licensed professionals for birth care,
837
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,550
OB/GYNs, family doctors,
838
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:10,016
nurse-midwives and
certified professional midwives.
839
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:14,890
The so called midwives attending births
in hospitals are in fact
840
01:11:14,980 --> 01:11:18,246
nurse-midwives or certified
professional midwives - CPM
841
01:11:18,330 --> 01:11:20,146
new to the
Brazilian market.
842
01:11:20,230 --> 01:11:22,986
This model that we have in Brazil
843
01:11:23,070 --> 01:11:26,280
to certify the CPMs,
an international model,
844
01:11:26,370 --> 01:11:30,916
is based on the risk assessment
throughout pregnancy.
845
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:37,150
Every prenatal appointment
we assess what's out of the ordinary.
846
01:11:37,470 --> 01:11:41,680
If anything abnormal
shows up at any moment,
847
01:11:41,770 --> 01:11:45,030
I direct her to high risk care,
848
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,060
to doctors from a reference hospital
849
01:11:48,150 --> 01:11:51,660
so she can have
a more specialized healthcare.
850
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:54,526
As long as she remains low-risk,
851
01:11:54,610 --> 01:11:56,240
I can continue her care.
852
01:12:05,020 --> 01:12:06,960
What is the evidence available?
853
01:12:07,050 --> 01:12:10,990
There is this systematic
review published in 2008
854
01:12:11,230 --> 01:12:17,800
which shows that midwife-led
or nurse-midwives models of care
855
01:12:17,890 --> 01:12:21,770
have several advantages
for low-risk mothers
856
01:12:21,860 --> 01:12:27,020
over the traditional
medical-led models.
857
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,080
We dream of being able
to comprehend that,
858
01:12:32,170 --> 01:12:34,940
especially in the
Brazilian scene,
859
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:37,396
we have room for everybody.
860
01:12:37,480 --> 01:12:42,866
What we don't have room is
for a completely medicalized birth,
861
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:47,936
that doesn't treat the mother as
an individual and only involves protocols
862
01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:52,226
as if protocols could handle
situations so peculiar,
863
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:56,270
so delicate and unique
as the birth process.
864
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:11,680
Nowadays,
most births happen in hospitals.
865
01:13:11,770 --> 01:13:17,896
We know that, for a low risk birth,
the hospital environment
866
01:13:17,980 --> 01:13:23,560
does not make the mother feel competent,
867
01:13:23,650 --> 01:13:27,980
and capable at that moment.
868
01:13:28,250 --> 01:13:30,420
It's not just about a vaginal birth.
869
01:13:30,510 --> 01:13:35,830
I have assisted deliveries where
women gave birth in extraordinary ways.
870
01:13:36,260 --> 01:13:40,850
If she needs to walk like a beast
around a tree
871
01:13:40,940 --> 01:13:44,380
to enter this birth energy,
she must do it.
872
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:46,976
She must be given the possibility.
873
01:13:47,060 --> 01:13:49,996
If she needs three days to give birth,
874
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,080
my goodness,
she must have those three days.
875
01:13:57,090 --> 01:14:00,256
And the most adequate place
for a woman to give birth,
876
01:14:00,340 --> 01:14:04,400
according to the WHO,
is where she feels safe.
877
01:14:04,490 --> 01:14:08,250
Some women will feel safer
in the warmth of their homes.
878
01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:11,446
Others prefer to have their babies
in birth centers,
879
01:14:11,530 --> 01:14:14,700
in their neighborhoods,
nearby people they know.
880
01:14:14,990 --> 01:14:18,530
Some other women will choose
to give birth in hospitals
881
01:14:18,620 --> 01:14:21,206
because they feel safe
closer to technology.
882
01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:24,820
The health system must offer
all these alternatives to women,
883
01:14:24,940 --> 01:14:28,490
so that they can adapt themselves
to what they feel is best.
884
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,650
When I got pregnant with Felipe,
I said:
885
01:14:54,060 --> 01:14:57,016
"I had a C-section,
a hospital birth,
886
01:14:57,100 --> 01:15:01,550
now, that's what I need,
I am going to birth Felipe at home."
887
01:15:01,990 --> 01:15:06,020
And then it was like
a widespread concern.
888
01:15:06,710 --> 01:15:09,860
But after seeing,
and understanding, and studying,
889
01:15:09,950 --> 01:15:12,820
and I only agreed
after I understood and
890
01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:16,080
after having had access
to good literature,
891
01:15:16,170 --> 01:15:22,590
not the literature imposed on you
and written to scare you about it.
892
01:15:23,180 --> 01:15:24,620
It was so cool.
893
01:15:24,710 --> 01:15:30,286
We stayed in bed, in our room,
watching movies, massaging.
894
01:15:30,370 --> 01:15:31,960
Such a great energy!
895
01:15:32,050 --> 01:15:36,250
Then we took a walk in the living room
because the pains were coming.
896
01:15:36,340 --> 01:15:39,136
You have to go through it
but I don't regret it.
897
01:15:39,220 --> 01:15:40,356
I'd do it again!
898
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:43,150
It happened at night,
the house was silent.
899
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,170
It was good,
we were in peace.
900
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,980
And finally Felipe decided to come out.
901
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,716
And I realized that it was
much simpler than anything else.
902
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,086
THE BIRTH OF FELIPE WAS SUPERVISED
BY AN OBSTETRIC NURSE
903
01:15:54,170 --> 01:15:55,756
As simple as that, my son
was born in my hands.
904
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,450
The water didn't break,
I opened it.
905
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:01,670
Oh, it was so…
906
01:16:05,940 --> 01:16:08,570
It even makes me want
to have another one.
907
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:13,470
It was so beautiful!
And the coolest part was that
908
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:18,460
Felipe came directly to my chest
and stayed there nursing for two hours.
909
01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:22,640
In the morning my kids
said: "Can we visit Felipe?"
910
01:16:22,730 --> 01:16:26,350
And they entered our room,
and the kid was on our bed.
911
01:16:27,670 --> 01:16:28,976
It was unbelievable!
912
01:16:29,060 --> 01:16:33,910
I remember being at the maternity,
without any access, besides looking.
913
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:39,816
Nothing compares to the emotion of living
914
01:16:39,900 --> 01:16:44,030
this moment as it should be lived.
915
01:16:44,450 --> 01:16:50,660
With feel, with contact,
with your warmth, your voice
916
01:16:51,490 --> 01:16:53,430
with all the suffering,
917
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,510
because it's not easy without anesthesia,
918
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,160
But Andrea gained a lot
going through that, as everyone does.
919
01:17:00,250 --> 01:17:05,360
I believe anyone who goes through
such a moment gains a lot.
920
01:17:06,460 --> 01:17:08,410
I felt very capable.
921
01:17:08,690 --> 01:17:13,006
I felt strong, you know?
A lioness.
922
01:17:13,090 --> 01:17:17,540
A mother who did her best for her son.
923
01:18:01,410 --> 01:18:05,436
Planned home births
exist worldwide.
924
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,866
We have it in Holland, England, Japan,
Canada, Australia, New Zealand.
925
01:18:09,950 --> 01:18:12,960
There are different homebirth models.
926
01:18:30,460 --> 01:18:35,866
In Brazil, there are two homebirth
models that coexist in different ways.
927
01:18:35,950 --> 01:18:38,666
One of them is the traditional
midwife model
928
01:18:38,750 --> 01:18:42,000
in North and Northeast,
which exists in great quantity.
929
01:18:42,090 --> 01:18:45,900
Very often, that woman
doesn't have access to health services.
930
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:49,546
Which is a paradox:
sometimes they need a C-section,
931
01:18:49,630 --> 01:18:52,230
and it takes two days
to get there by boat.
932
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,386
I started helping babies
in the rural area.
933
01:18:55,470 --> 01:18:56,716
Sometimes even
went by donkey or horse.
934
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,036
TRADITIONAL MIDWIFE
935
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,880
Women would call me and I would go.
936
01:19:00,970 --> 01:19:04,996
I delivered my sisters too,
helped my mother.
937
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,690
When the TBA arrived,
I was holding my sister.
938
01:19:08,780 --> 01:19:11,546
I already delivered in a carriage…
939
01:19:11,630 --> 01:19:12,860
TRADITIONAL MIDWIFE
940
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,140
…on the ground, in the woods,
941
01:19:15,230 --> 01:19:18,456
under a tree,
on a banana leaf.
942
01:19:18,540 --> 01:19:22,220
There was a hospital,
but their conditions
943
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:25,776
to get there were thin.
944
01:19:25,860 --> 01:19:29,410
Because we live in rural areas,
we don't have a car,
945
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:31,956
there's no way to get to the hospital.
946
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:35,100
So they preferred to call the TBA
947
01:19:35,450 --> 01:19:37,220
to have their babies at home.
948
01:19:37,580 --> 01:19:41,010
PLANNED HOME BIRTH
949
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:44,880
And there is another movement,
which is growing a lot
950
01:19:44,970 --> 01:19:48,670
which is the homebirth in
urban centers
951
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,906
assisted by a nurse-midwife
or a certified midwife
952
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:55,570
or even by doctors who work
according to this model.
953
01:19:55,660 --> 01:20:00,090
Homebirth is for low-risk women
without complications.
954
01:20:00,180 --> 01:20:06,836
We go equipped with a set of materials
for attending a birth,
955
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:10,510
for normal situations,
such as gloves, gauze,
956
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,136
things that we are going
to need to assist.
957
01:20:13,220 --> 01:20:16,276
And also for more complex situations.
958
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,430
So if I need to stitch,
I have stitching thread.
959
01:20:19,550 --> 01:20:21,276
I can apply local anesthesia.
960
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:25,966
I have some kind of medication
for hemorrhage.
961
01:20:26,050 --> 01:20:29,650
Oxygen if the baby needs it,
neonatal resuscitation material.
962
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:34,370
I have a trunk full of things to give
assistance to the woman.
963
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:40,176
We have today at our disposal,
to understand home births,
964
01:20:40,260 --> 01:20:44,630
retrospective and prospective studies
in which we look at a group of women
965
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,356
who have given birth
at home or in a hospital
966
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:51,450
or a group of women that will have
a baby at home or in a hospital.
967
01:20:51,540 --> 01:20:56,500
And studies conducted abroad
with a huge number of women
968
01:20:56,590 --> 01:21:00,220
which tell us that homebirth is
as safe as a hospital birth.
969
01:21:00,310 --> 01:21:05,646
A Dutch study published in 2009
with more than 500.000 childbirths,
970
01:21:05,730 --> 01:21:09,466
demonstrates the safety
of planned home birth
971
01:21:09,550 --> 01:21:15,316
in terms of perinatal outcomes
very similar
972
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:19,920
to those in low-risk
planned hospital births
973
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:24,856
and with a much reduced number
of medical interventions.
974
01:21:24,940 --> 01:21:29,320
In a domestic environment there are
bacteria from that environment.
975
01:21:29,410 --> 01:21:32,876
They are favorable to mothers.
They are friends.
976
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,766
You'll never have an infection
in a domestic environment,
977
01:21:36,850 --> 01:21:39,520
as one would in a hospital.
978
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:44,426
In a health care scenario,
979
01:21:44,510 --> 01:21:50,440
of anticipating any event
in the point of view of prevention,
980
01:21:50,530 --> 01:21:54,320
of trained care providers,
such as the midwife,
981
01:21:54,410 --> 01:21:59,140
nurse-midwife or even a doctor,
982
01:21:59,230 --> 01:22:03,190
is possible to gather information
983
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:08,796
that can allow a decision on whether
it can be a homebirth or not.
984
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,730
What in fact makes a difference
985
01:22:10,820 --> 01:22:14,556
is prenatal care
and identifying risks,
986
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,720
because risks also exist
inside the hospital.
987
01:22:18,090 --> 01:22:22,000
In home birth, it's not that the baby
will have to be born at home
988
01:22:22,090 --> 01:22:24,046
because she planned that way.
989
01:22:24,130 --> 01:22:29,186
The woman in labor stays at home
as long as everything is normal.
990
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:34,170
If we suspect that maybe
there's something not normal,
991
01:22:34,260 --> 01:22:36,896
we go to the hospital and
birth ends there.
992
01:22:36,980 --> 01:22:40,090
And most of them still end up
being a normal birth,
993
01:22:40,180 --> 01:22:43,506
but with some intervention
that we cannot perform at home
994
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:46,300
because interventions
adds risk to childbirth.
995
01:22:46,430 --> 01:22:50,040
Every woman will feel safer
in a different environment
996
01:22:50,130 --> 01:22:54,470
and many times
that place is a hospital.
997
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:58,620
So we know that homebirth is
maybe for a few people.
998
01:22:58,710 --> 01:23:05,050
Our minds still works very attached
to the hospital model of care.
999
01:23:05,150 --> 01:23:11,940
It's important that all women have
the choice of home birth
1000
01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:17,230
to understand that if it can happen
at home, it's not so complicated.
1001
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:38,190
SOLUTIONS
1002
01:23:38,690 --> 01:23:42,980
There is a set of initiatives that
can improve the scenario.
1003
01:23:43,070 --> 01:23:48,640
Everything that happens in capitalism
is determined by consumer demand.
1004
01:23:48,730 --> 01:23:52,720
This nice childbirth will happen
due to women demand.
1005
01:23:52,810 --> 01:23:56,070
We have to improve the quality
of information for women,
1006
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,620
using simple language,
in simple leaflets,
1007
01:23:58,710 --> 01:24:03,930
so they can say: "Don't cut me,
because I know what I'm missing.
1008
01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:08,240
"I don't want to be cut,
nor saline solution, neither Pitocin".
1009
01:24:09,060 --> 01:24:13,370
Let's teach everything about childbirth
to those who are 14, 15 years old.
1010
01:24:13,460 --> 01:24:17,740
The same way they study Geography,
History, Grammar, Childbirth!
1011
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:21,606
That's more than sexual education.
That is education for life!
1012
01:24:21,690 --> 01:24:26,680
Because then when the time comes
to be pregnant, to give birth,
1013
01:24:26,830 --> 01:24:31,770
there's already a very rich theoretical
foundation that is part of that woman.
1014
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,190
If you only offer her
a bad option for birth,
1015
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:40,120
full of interventions, violent lying
on her back with her legs spread,
1016
01:24:40,210 --> 01:24:44,590
or a scheduled C-section,
she has no option.
1017
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:48,436
Yet, if she can choose everything
concerning
1018
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,856
her delivery,
the birth of her son,
1019
01:24:50,940 --> 01:24:53,586
then you have a wide range
of options.
1020
01:24:53,670 --> 01:24:56,220
If she is aware of her decisions,
1021
01:24:56,310 --> 01:25:00,020
she will have a good birth,
regardless of her choices.
1022
01:25:00,590 --> 01:25:03,406
Practitioners must recognize
1023
01:25:03,490 --> 01:25:09,126
that they have an ethical commitment
to doing good,
1024
01:25:09,210 --> 01:25:14,510
and should abandon
what is harmful and ineffective.
1025
01:25:14,910 --> 01:25:18,940
Health system managers
1026
01:25:19,210 --> 01:25:23,816
must have the courage
to take measures that are unpopular
1027
01:25:23,900 --> 01:25:26,530
with health professionals
1028
01:25:26,620 --> 01:25:32,646
and take control
of C-section indications.
1029
01:25:32,730 --> 01:25:36,720
As long as childbirth care
is controlled by doctors,
1030
01:25:36,810 --> 01:25:41,216
it will be very hard for us
to reduce the C-section rate.
1031
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:44,660
The insertion of new players is urgent.
1032
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,716
Playing with nature,
the way we have been,
1033
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:05,770
with too frequent interventions,
generates much more morbidity
1034
01:26:05,860 --> 01:26:07,506
than solutions to problems.
1035
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:10,736
We know what we are doing today
with the human birth,
1036
01:26:10,820 --> 01:26:15,486
and many times attacking
the building process of the human birth
1037
01:26:15,570 --> 01:26:17,910
more than seven million years old.
1038
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,706
That can put our own survival
on this planet at risk.
1039
01:26:21,790 --> 01:26:25,116
When there isn't any woman
giving birth vaginally
1040
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,066
due to our society's
absolute incompetence
1041
01:26:28,150 --> 01:26:31,156
in dealing with this phenomenon,
it may be too late.
1042
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:36,116
We've had earlier experience
of collapsing societies
1043
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:40,546
that did not know how to deal
with their ecological challenges.
1044
01:26:40,630 --> 01:26:44,560
I hope society is not going
towards a path of no-return.
1045
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:14,640
What will it be
of our love hormone production system
1046
01:27:14,730 --> 01:27:17,130
if it stops being used?
1047
01:27:17,220 --> 01:27:19,566
If it starts being useless?
1048
01:27:19,650 --> 01:27:22,300
What does that mean
in terms of civilization?
1049
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,070
I decided: "my next
daughter will be born
1050
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:53,990
the most natural way possible.
That would not happen again."
1051
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:57,910
I sought for information.
1052
01:27:58,130 --> 01:28:02,000
I found a wonderful doctor,
an amazing doula and my family who,
1053
01:28:02,090 --> 01:28:05,060
though not accepting my idea,
respected me.
1054
01:28:06,330 --> 01:28:09,040
And the birth was marvelous, at home.
1055
01:28:09,460 --> 01:28:12,816
At dawn.
Peaceful.
1056
01:28:12,900 --> 01:28:15,840
Rafaela was born in the shower,
this shower.
1057
01:28:16,450 --> 01:28:20,330
Birds were singing…
1058
01:28:21,020 --> 01:28:25,640
She was born and came straight
to where she should be: my breast.
1059
01:28:26,650 --> 01:28:30,880
And didn't leave until she fell asleep
and went to her father's arms.
1060
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:38,880
I have never had such a feeling
in my whole life.
85416
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