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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,240 This programme contains very strong language 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,600 - Why sing? - Why do you sing? - Well, because I get to experience 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,160 a lot of feelings, it's really a lot of fun. You get a feel all kinds of things 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,640 that you can hardly find if you went to parties all year round 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,320 and made it with everyone you ever wanted to. 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,960 Because you get to feel things that are in your imagination 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,240 and are the real truth. That's why I like music, because it's creative 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,160 and as it's happening creates feelings. 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,320 What could I feel if I attended your concert tonight? 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,600 I'd like you to feel like standing up and jumping up and down in time with the music 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,400 and get sweaty and just go with the music. Just go with it. 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,760 Like, rock-and-roll's very rhythmic, that's what it's all about, you know. 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,640 It's one, two, three, four. 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,560 # Ye-ah 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,920 # You thought you had found yourself a good girl 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,760 # One who would love you and give you the world 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,320 # Then you find out that you've been misused 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,840 # Come to me, honey I'll do what you choose 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,840 # I want you Well, tell mama all about it 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,480 # You tell mama what you feel 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,200 # Tell your mama, babe what you want 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,080 # Tell your mama, babe what you need 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,880 # What you want What you need 24 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,000 # What you want, whoa 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,920 # I'll make everything all right 26 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,320 # I tell you When you get lonely... # 27 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:25,080 I figure everybody does, huh? 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,960 Because, as a matter of fact, everybody does. 29 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:31,480 I'll tell you what you need, baby, when you get those strange thoughts in your head, 30 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,120 you don't know where they came from, man. You get those strange, little weirdnesses 31 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,520 happening to you, you don't know what they are. 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,120 I'll tell you what you need. 33 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,920 # You need a sweet loving mama babe. 34 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,720 # Honey, a sweet talking mama, babe 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,720 # You know, somebody to listen to you 36 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,240 # Someone to want you Someone to hold you 37 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,960 # Someone to need you Someone to use you 38 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,880 # Someone to want you Someone to need you 39 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,240 # Someone to hold you 40 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,320 # You need a mama-ma-ma ma-ma mama, babe 41 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,160 # Go to a mama-ma-ma-ma, yeah 42 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,760 # Mama-ma-ma-ma-mama 43 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,560 # Tell mama all about it 44 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,320 # Tell mama all about it 45 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,200 # What you need What you want 46 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,120 # Anything I can do 47 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,760 # Anything I can do 48 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,720 # I'll be your mama, babe Yeah, your mama, babe 49 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,560 # Whoa, your mama, babe Your mama, babe 50 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,240 # Whoa, mama, babe Whoa, mama, babe 51 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,840 # Wow! I'll make everything all right. # 52 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,520 RAUCOUS CHEERING 53 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,960 "Dear family, I managed to pass my 27th birthday 54 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,440 "without really feeling it. 55 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,440 "It's such a funny game. 56 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,320 "Two years ago, I didn't even want to be in it. 57 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,360 "No, that's not true. I've been looking around and I've noticed something. 58 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,000 "After you reach a certain level of talent - 59 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,040 "and quite a few have that talent - the deciding factor is ambition. 60 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,800 "Or, as I see it, how much you really need. 61 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,560 "Need to be loved and need to be proud of yourself. 62 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,160 "And I guess that's what ambition is, 63 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,480 "it's not all a depraved quest for position or money. 64 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,640 "Maybe it's for love, lots of love. 65 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:36,640 "Hah! Janice." 66 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:52,520 Port Arthur - to a lot of people, it was a really good town to grow up in. 67 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,080 I never thought so. Janice never thought so 68 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,040 and she couldn't figure out how to make herself 69 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,080 like everybody else. 70 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,360 Thank goodness. 71 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:11,440 # And if my love could take a walk... # 72 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,040 Our parents, I'm not exactly sure how they actually met, 73 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,400 but they started dating after mother had gone away to college 74 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,240 and come back and started working. 75 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,760 Daddy was a mechanical engineer, but he was able to get a job 76 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:30,120 because at that time so many people were away fighting, you know. 77 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,080 So he got a job at Texaco and he stayed there his entire working life. 78 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,640 And he came home from work one day and told mother, 79 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,160 "Let's do something for posterity." 80 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,480 So, that's Janice being born in 1943. 81 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:04,040 She joined the choir and they kicked her out of the choir. 82 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,600 She wouldn't follow directions and they said, "You're out!" 83 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,960 Like most women, Janice wanted to be beautiful and curvaceous and skinny 84 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,720 like the pictures that she saw in magazines. 85 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:32,080 And she saw herself, you know, gain weight and get chunky, 86 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:37,200 her skin broke out and her features weren't that fine, beautiful female 87 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,640 that we see in pictures everywhere. 88 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:47,440 And so she had questions about her own desirability. 89 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,040 # It don't make no difference, babe yeah 90 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,520 # I better hold it now 91 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,440 # I better need it, yeah 92 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,000 # I better use it till the day I die... # 93 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,400 She demanded to be different. 94 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,120 You know, our parents had given us permission to do it 95 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,400 and then weren't aware of what would happen if you did it. 96 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,280 Janice was the first one in our family to find that out. 97 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:15,680 That if you are rocking the boat 98 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,040 you might get noticed and she rocked the boat as often as she could. 99 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,880 She liked rocking the boat. 100 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,320 The world was changing and I think that Janice's interpretation 101 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:33,240 of what being good was included things that a lot of people 102 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,920 in the South weren't yet ready to include. 103 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,400 She said I think integration is the right thing to do. 104 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,440 Well, our hometown had an active KKK chapter 105 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:49,040 and what happened was she was harassed by some guys in her class, 106 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,000 they threw pennies at her, they called her names 107 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:57,120 and she became a target for the last three years of high school. 108 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,800 She started dressing differently, wearing loafers without socks 109 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,920 and tight skirts. Her hair was becoming more like a beatnik 110 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,680 and still there was an aspect of her sexuality and her personality 111 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,160 that was at odds. Where does she go? What does she do? 112 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,280 She was pushing the limits and women weren't supposed to swear 113 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,120 and women were supposed to be demure 114 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,320 and not know that anything existed below their waistlines. 115 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,320 I met her in high school and she wouldn't go away. 116 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,600 She was always calling us up, one of us or the other 117 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,640 and say, "What are you doing tonight? Where are we going?" 118 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:52,000 She was a lot of trouble. We went to Louisiana and she would start fights, 119 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,440 which we didn't want started because the Cajuns were known 120 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:00,040 good fighters, but she got a kick out of it just playing the bad girl. 121 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,640 She wasn't a bad girl, but she just liked to bait the men. 122 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:09,160 You know, we would deny all knowledge of her 123 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,640 and barely escaped with our lives. 124 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,640 That made her real dangerous to take to a bar. 125 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,920 I mean, she was amusing. So, we took her to the beach with us. 126 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,720 She borrowed some records which were obscure. 127 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,280 One of them was a record by Odetta. 128 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,880 # Love, 129 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,760 # Oh, love Oh, careless love... # 130 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,640 All of a sudden, she busted into a perfect imitation of Odetta 131 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,600 on the record and everybody was just stunned. 132 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,600 This little troublesome kid, you know, can sing that well. 133 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,800 # Oh, love Oh, love 134 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,080 # Oh, careless love 135 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:07,760 # Oh, love, oh, love Oh, careless love 136 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:13,480 # Well, love Oh-oh, love 137 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,440 # Oh, careless love... # 138 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:27,720 This particular night, Janice said let's go see this wonderful Austin 139 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,640 you're always talking about. 140 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,040 So, we pulled in at 5:30 in the morning 141 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,600 and you could hear music... 142 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,480 ..and it wasn't recorded music, it was live music 143 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:47,240 and Janice grabbed my arm and she said, "Jack, I'm going to like it here." 144 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,040 Well, that's when I discovered that I had an incredibly loud voice. 145 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,240 So, I started singing blues, because that was always what I liked. 146 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,760 And, you know, I got a bluegrass band, 147 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,280 played hillbilly music in Austin, Texas, for free beer. 148 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,560 I used to sing in folk clubs just for goofs. 149 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,800 We called ourselves the Waller Creek Boys... 150 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,080 ..and instantly Janice became one of the boys. 151 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,760 People just stared open-mouthed 152 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,880 and she was not ever accepted, really, 153 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,920 except by the folk community. 154 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,880 Growing up, her peers picked on her and bullied her 155 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,480 and by the time she got to Austin and by the time I knew her, 156 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:51,400 she had already been profoundly hurt over and over. 157 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,160 And so in Austin, it was the same way. 158 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:01,840 Every year, the fraternities held a contest 159 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,760 and people could nominate someone to be ugliest man 160 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,880 and someone nominated Janice and all these jerks voted for her... 161 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,520 ..and it crushed her. 162 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:21,240 Saddest thing I ever saw, you know. It really was. 163 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,000 Till that point, I'd never seen Janice cry. 164 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,760 Janice had a very tough exterior. 165 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,720 But it really got her bad 166 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,840 and I said, "Janice, they don't mean anything to you. 167 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:43,360 "They're...They're not even in your class." 168 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,000 It became increasingly harder to fit into a group of angry, 169 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,440 angry men who liked to pick on her. 170 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,600 Even though she ran around with a tight group of friends who 171 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,800 were into books and ideas, she needed to go out to where 172 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,480 the people were that wrote those books. 173 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,280 Where the people were that sang those songs. 174 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,760 Where does she go? What does she do? 175 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:15,520 # I just had to get out of Texas, baby 176 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,640 # Lord, it was bringing me down... # 177 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,840 When did you come to San Francisco? 178 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,480 In about '63 was when I couldn't stand Texas any more 179 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,800 and I went to California, because it's a lot freer 180 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,000 and you can do what you want to do and nobody bugs you. 181 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,480 '15,000 San Franciscans protest segregation in Birmingham. 182 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:41,760 'Negro and white citizens marching in unity for equality in San Francisco.' 183 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,200 We used all hang out at a bar called the Anxious Asp 184 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,240 on Green Street, North Beach. 185 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,960 We went to a party one night and, you know, with a little bit of wine 186 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,360 and a little bit of, you know, whatever, 187 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,440 We kind of got to talking and two weeks later she moved in with me. 188 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,240 Sometime we went down to Monterey 189 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,880 and she would sing in the hootenannies 190 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,000 and she would win tickets for us to get to the main arena. 191 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,720 One time, we went there and there was Bob Dylan, her idol. 192 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,080 And she walks up to him and she said, "Oh, Bob. I just love you! 193 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,200 "You know, I'm going to be famous one day." He said, "Yeah. 194 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,720 "We're all going to be famous." I'll never forget that. 195 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,760 SHE LAUGHS 196 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,160 She definitely felt the blues. 197 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,560 Bessie Smith and all the blues singers, she loved those people. 198 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:43,120 And I think she emulated them in the sense of wanting to be like them. 199 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,840 You know, to have the pain. 200 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,720 I guess that's why she drank like she did and took drugs 201 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,400 because that's all part of the whole picture. 202 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,960 She definitely needed people to tell her how great she was 203 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,480 and she needed that stroking all the time. 204 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,160 I don't think she was with girls to shock people, I think 205 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,080 she was with girls because that's what she felt at the moment. 206 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,240 And I think she was totally in a conflict all the time with herself. 207 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:14,840 Constantly. 208 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:20,160 And she was unhappy, she was quite unhappy and I think on the stage 209 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,960 it made her feel that she was somebody, you know. 210 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,360 That she had something to offer. 211 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,960 I said, I just think this is not working for both of us, 212 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,280 you want to go off and do things with other people 213 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,600 and I'm not strong enough to handle that. 214 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,560 She got with this English fellow and they were into shooting up 215 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,880 and stuff like that and that was never my style. 216 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,840 You know, I could just never get into that. 217 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:50,000 Janice was in North Beach and she developed an intense relationship 218 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,880 with Peter de Blanc, then Janice got into methedrine. 219 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,600 Janice told me that they were living in that building 220 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,840 behind Tommy's joint 221 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,120 and had not a stick of furniture 222 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,680 and Peter was just sitting there for hours on end 223 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,840 throwing a Super Ball against the wall and catching it... 224 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,600 ..and she was skin and bones. 225 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,920 She used - overused - lost weight, 226 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,520 got so strung out that her group of friends 227 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,680 held a party and they passed a hat to get enough money 228 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,800 to put on a Greyhound bus and send her back home. 229 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,320 # A woman left lonely... # 230 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,640 She and Peter decided that they both needed to get their lives cleaned up 231 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,560 and would go to their home towns and get their lives together 232 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,560 and then they'd get together and get married. 233 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:53,320 # She'll do crazy things, yeah-eh 234 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,440 # On lonely occasions... # 235 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,240 "Dear Peter, well, I'm home now. 236 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,160 "I have your picture on the desk where I do my homework 237 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,040 "and everyone in the family has seen it at least three times. 238 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,520 "Everyone agrees you're handsome, 239 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,720 "I really love you. 240 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,040 "In attempting to find a semblance of a pattern in my life, 241 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,920 "I find I have gone out with great vigour every time 242 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,320 "and gotten really fucked up. 243 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:24,480 "All I did was be wild, drink constantly, fucked people, sang. 244 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,840 "In San Francisco, kind of wanting to find an old man and be happy, 245 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,400 "but I didn't. I just found Linda and became a meth freak. 246 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,640 "Christ, I want to be happy so fucking bad." 247 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:43,040 # ..for granted, Lord, yeah 248 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,800 # Honey, she doesn't understand 249 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,440 # No, no... # 250 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,000 He came home at one point and met the family 251 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,480 and asked our father formally for her hand in marriage. 252 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:02,200 "Well, now it's Saturday and your letter didn't come. 253 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,760 "So, I'm very sad and moping around the house and mother's worried. 254 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,680 "Baby, what's happening? 255 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,160 "You could really be hurting me and hell, I couldn't tell. 256 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,320 "Am I still happy? 257 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,080 "Do I still have you?" 258 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,640 She was embarrassed that he wasn't going to show up after 259 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,160 she had told her mum and dad that he was. 260 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,320 He was evidently living with a woman who had gotten pregnant 261 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,640 and Janice only discovered that when she happened to call him 262 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,200 and this woman answered the telephone. 263 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:39,920 Did you ever go back to Port Arthur? 264 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,240 I went back once, it was a bummer. 265 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,240 I ain't going back again! No, it's no good. 266 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:53,000 Chet asked me to come and see his new band and that's when 267 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,760 I heard that Big Brother was auditioning women. 268 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,840 So, I went by his house and said, you know, I'm going to go home 269 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,080 I can ask about Janice, if you like. 270 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,880 And she found out that I was there and we spent the whole day 271 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,600 talking about what was going on since she had left 272 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,800 and we should go and see a rock and roll band 273 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,080 and there's one playing around the corner. 274 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,920 Didn't have anything to drink because she was sober 275 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,560 and we listened to, I think, two songs and she turned to me 276 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:27,160 and she said, "That's what I want to do!" So I said, "OK. Let's go figure this out." 277 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,480 He said I'm not going to go and take you until you tell your parents. 278 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,800 He waited in the car while Janice went in to tell our parents. 279 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,480 Janice went in and said she was going to Austin for the weekend and left 280 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,240 and went to San Francisco. 281 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,360 # I guess I'm going to make it somehow 282 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:49,800 # But you made nothing with me darling... # 283 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,120 "Mother and dad, with a great deal of trepidation, 284 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:54,880 "I bring the news - 285 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,960 "I'm in San Francisco. 286 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,040 "Now, let me explain. 287 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,160 "Chet Helms is an old friend, now he's Mr big in SF. 288 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,600 "He encouraged me to come out, 289 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,880 "it seems the whole city had gone rock and roll and it has. 290 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:13,480 "And he assured me fame and fortune, so I came. 291 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,640 "I'm so sorry. 292 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,880 "My love to Mike and Laura. Love, Janis." 293 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:24,840 MUSIC: Down On Me by Big Brother and The Holding Company 294 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,720 # Looks like everybody in this whole round world 295 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:47,720 # They're down on me Come on... # 296 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,960 I would pick her up and I'd drive her back to where she was staying. 297 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,320 I mean, she was always like, I don't know whether this 298 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,960 is going to work out. I probably, I should go back to Texas. 299 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,760 I don't know if I should do this. She had a lot of misgivings. 300 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,520 She was very afraid of drugs. 301 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,240 She said, I don't ever want to see anybody shooting drugs. 302 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,240 I can't stand to see that, because if I see that, 303 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,880 it's just going to take her out so much. 304 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,480 She came out to San Francisco and had this coffee-house career. 305 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,520 She almost died that time, she lost all this weight 306 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,680 and she went back to Texas 307 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,560 and, you know, her mother said, if you ever go back out there again, you're going to die. 308 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:45,840 # When you see a hand that's held out towards you 309 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,400 # Give it some love... # 310 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,880 - Did your parents encourage you to sing at all? - Oh, no, no, no. 311 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,280 They wanted me to be a schoolteacher, you know. 312 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,000 Like all parents. 313 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,280 But I just started singing when I was about 17. 314 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,600 I listened to a lot of music first, you know, 315 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,680 and one day I started singing and I could sing. It was like, 316 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,880 it was a surprise. 317 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,600 To say the least. 318 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,520 # Said jack o'diamonds Said jack o'diamonds 319 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,920 # Whoa-oh, I know you of old 320 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,840 # Honey, you robbed me out of my silver 321 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,120 # And out of all my gold... # 322 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:23,560 "Dear Mother and Dad, Daddy brought up the college issue, which is good, 323 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,000 "because I probably would have continued avoiding it till it went away. 324 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,080 "I don't think I can go back now. 325 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,960 "I don't know all the reasons, but I just feel this is a truer feeling, true to me. 326 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,160 "I don't feel like I'm lying now." 327 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,240 # Now see the cuckoo she's a cruel bird 328 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,040 # And she warbles when she flies... # 329 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,720 "I have to see this through first. If I don't, I'd always be 330 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,320 "thinking about singing and being good and known 331 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,440 "and feel like I cheated myself, you know." 332 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,080 # Well, say goodbye well, say goodbye 333 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,520 # Ooh-hoo-hoo... # 334 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:03,840 "Weak as it is, I apologise for being so just plain bad at the family. 335 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,040 "I'm just sorry. 336 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,040 "Love, Janis." 337 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:14,480 Folk blues, you know. I was a folk singer, you know, 338 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,800 and sang blues mostly. Country blues, old-time blues, slow... 339 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,200 - Didn't you have a job soldering once? - Soldering? 340 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,800 No, a keypunch operator. 341 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,440 I was a waitress in a bowling alley once, too. 342 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,280 Playing is the life, the most just fun there is. 343 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,000 Feeling things and really getting into it. That's fun. 344 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,720 # Amazing Grace 345 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,480 # Well, how sweet the sound 346 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,840 # That saved a sinning wretch like me... # 347 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,080 At that time, there was definitely a sense of camaraderie. 348 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,760 If you knew the Grateful Dead had a house on Ashbury, you know, 349 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,200 it wouldn't be unlikely that if you were in the neighbourhood, 350 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,960 you'd just drop by and hang out with those guys 351 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,200 and smoke a joint or something like that. 352 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,120 # A sinning wretch like me... # 353 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,080 We were all, sort of, riding the same wave, in a sense. 354 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,720 All part of the same scene and all shared, in some ways, the same values 355 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,080 that we were part of this counterculture revolutionary music thing 356 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,720 that was going to, you know, change the world. 357 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,000 # Na-na-na-na Na-na-naaa, woo... # 358 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,600 She was just funny, unassuming, sexy, 359 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,280 and sort of a, a kind of like, 360 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,760 almost a sort of Huck Finn innocence to her. 361 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,960 The absolute child-woman ideal of The Haight. 362 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,000 Well, I met Janice as a romantic interest 363 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,520 for one of my bandmates, Pigpen, Ron McKernan. 364 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,720 We called him the mighty pig. 365 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,760 It was an on again, off again little affair that they had. 366 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,120 And on the nights that Janice would come over and visit, 367 00:23:56,120 --> 00:24:02,000 I got very little sleep because Janice was not real quiet in the rack. 368 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,160 So, all night long, it would be, "Daddy, daddy, daddy!" 369 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,120 All that kind of stuff. I mean, endlessly. 370 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,040 "Isn't Pigpen cute? 371 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,120 "They make Pigpen T-shirts now with his picture on it for fans. 372 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,160 "I have one in red. 373 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,200 "Those people are all friends of mine, aren't they amazing? 374 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,160 "The people with stars after their names are members of the band. 375 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,320 "I'm in the back, on the left, really an amazing picture. 376 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,040 "They weren't dressed up, they looked that way all the time. 377 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,440 "Now, taken in perspective, I'm not so far out at all, eh?" 378 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,800 There was a party, there was a party in the city 379 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,120 in an apartment on California Street. 380 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:50,880 Someone opened this bottle of this stuff that is called Cold Duck. 381 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,280 - You don't see it around much. - Sparkling wine. - Sparkling wine. 382 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,440 And it started to go around the room and people were taking chugs of it 383 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,280 and Janice took a big swig of it and someone said to Janice, "Oh, man. 384 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,440 "You must really want to get high." 385 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,720 And she said, "What?!" 386 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,240 And someone said, "Yeah, there is, like, 68 hits of acid in that bottle." 387 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,520 Anyway, she ran into the bathroom and tried to throw up. 388 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:20,280 # They don't forget it Love is their whole... # 389 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,760 But she got very high anyway and we went from this party to The Fillmore. 390 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,840 # Have a little tenderness 391 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,440 # Yeah 392 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,840 # All you got to do is 393 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,760 # Everybody just has to 394 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,640 # Get on up, get on up 395 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,800 # Get on up, get on up 396 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,440 # Now get on up 397 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,080 # I got to... # 398 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,760 And Otis Redding was, I think, 399 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,880 in his second night and it was his second show. They did two shows. 400 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,680 So there weren't a lot of people there. 401 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,600 And I remember sitting with her. 402 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,080 We sat down in the middle of the floor 403 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,080 and Otis Redding came out with his band. 404 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,120 # Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 405 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:57,160 # You got to, got to, got to... # 406 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,040 I think when she saw him and saw the way he moved 407 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,480 and how he interpreted a song, I really think 408 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,960 it very much affected her. 409 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,120 I mean, literally, she'd start doing this, "Gotta, gotta, gotta," 410 00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:09,920 she stole that. 411 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,160 # Got to, got to, got to 412 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,960 # Oh... # 413 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,920 Billie Holiday, Aretha Franklin, they are so subtle, 414 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,640 they can milk you with two notes. 415 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,800 They could go no further than from A to B 416 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,240 and they could make you feel like they've told you the whole universe. 417 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,200 You know? And Otis, oh, Otis. 418 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,560 My man. But, I mean, I don't know that yet. 419 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,040 All I've got now is strength but maybe if I keep singing, 420 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,560 maybe I'll get it. That's what I think. 421 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,560 In the very beginning, she didn't take over as, 422 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,400 "I'm the singer, I'm the lead singer." 423 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,160 She really tried to integrate into the band and be part of it. 424 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,000 The big turning point was Monterey Pop. 425 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,000 A very good friend of mine said, 426 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,800 "You've got to come to the Monterey Pop Festival. 427 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,800 "There's never been a pop festival." 428 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,400 You know you're going to have a great time - it's a weekend, 429 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,360 it's in Monterey, California. 430 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,360 Simon and Garfunkel were going to perform there. 431 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:23,760 That's all I knew about. 432 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:30,000 So I came there with my khaki pants and a tennis sweater. 433 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,080 And...I was astonished by everything that I saw. 434 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,560 I got a call from Lou Adler, who was the producer of Monterey Pop. 435 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,040 He was also the manager of the Mamas & the Papas. 436 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,280 He told me, "There's a whole new Monterey Pop Festival. 437 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,040 "Will Big Brother come?" 438 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,760 I saw the future. 439 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,760 They offered me a number and I went for it. 440 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,800 I didn't give a damn about the money. 441 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,280 I knew that this was going to be a monster. 442 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,840 So I vividly remember sitting in the grounds there, being 443 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:28,600 surrounded by this unusual crowd and then they announced the group. 444 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,440 Three or four years ago, 445 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,160 I ran to into a chick in Texas by the name of Janis Joplin... 446 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,120 APPLAUSE 447 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,560 ..and I heard her sing and Janis and I hitchhiked to the West Coast. 448 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,320 A lot of things have gone down since that time but it gives me 449 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,040 a great deal of pride to present, today, the finished product 450 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,160 of three or four years of work - Big Brother and The Holding Company. 451 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,400 CHEERING 452 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,240 # Knock you, rock you 453 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,000 # We're going to sock it to you now... # 454 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,320 Cass was sitting there in one of the rows 455 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,120 and I kind of had an eye on her during Janis 456 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,680 because they had been 457 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,640 a little critical because they were Los Angelenos. 458 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,240 And the Los Angelenos 459 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,000 were somewhat critical of the San Franciscans, 460 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,320 in terms of the bands. 461 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,360 And so I kind of wanted to watch her when Janis sang. 462 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,440 # Mmmm 463 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,680 # Sitting down by my window 464 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,280 # Just looking out at the rain 465 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,360 # Something came along 466 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,720 # Honey, grabbed a hold of me 467 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,760 # And it felt like a ball and chain... # 468 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,720 SHE SCREAMS # Last time 469 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,280 # And I say oh-whoa-whoa 470 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,160 # Honey, this can't be 471 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,040 # This can't be in vain 472 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,320 # No, no, no, no, no 473 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,600 # No, no 474 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,000 # And I say oh-whoa-whoa 475 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,160 # Honey, this can't be 476 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,720 # B-b-b-b-b-be, be, be, be 477 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,400 # In vain 478 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,760 # No, no No, no, no, no 479 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,840 # Oh 480 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,040 # And I want someone that can tell me 481 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,800 # Come on 482 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,400 # Tell me why 483 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,000 # Oh, tell me why 484 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,280 # Oh, people tell me why love 485 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,760 # Honey, why love is like 486 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,480 # Well, it's like a ball and 487 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:58,040 # And a chai-ai-ai-ai-ain. # 488 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,880 CHEERING 489 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,760 Once she caught real recognition at the Monterey Pop Festival, I think 490 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,600 she began to see what the possibilities were 491 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,920 and the possibilities were somewhat over-the-top. 492 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:56,960 "Dear mother, at last a tranquil day and time to write all the good news. 493 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,840 "I'm now safely moved into my new room in our beautiful house 494 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,840 "in the country. 495 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,960 "Gosh, I can't seem to find anything else to talk about. 496 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,080 "This band is my whole life now. 497 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,000 "I really am totally committed and I dig it. 498 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,360 "I wanted to send you these clippings. 499 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,280 "Since Monterey, all this has come about. 500 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,360 "Did Port Arthur News have anything on these? If so, please send. 501 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,040 "I just may be a star some day. 502 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,240 "You know, it's funny, as it gets closer and more probable, being 503 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,560 "a star is really losing its meaning but whatever "it" means, I'm ready. 504 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,920 "Things are going so well for me personally. 505 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,120 "I have a boyfriend, he's head of Country Joe and the Fish, 506 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,400 "a band from Berkeley. 507 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,000 "He's a Capricorn like me and is 25 and, so far, 508 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,680 "we're getting along fine. 509 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,280 "Everyone in the rock scene just thinks it's the cutest thing 510 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,160 "they've ever seen and it is rather cute, actually." 511 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,000 We were never in love with each other. No. 512 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,520 No, there was no sizzle going on. 513 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,840 We were good friends. We were both control freaks, both lead singers. 514 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,480 There was a maternal, feminine side of her that never was allowed 515 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,600 to grow. 516 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,560 She was really trying hard, you know? 517 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,280 And her mother was coming to town. 518 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,440 She wanted to cook chow mein for her mother. 519 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,720 She was so worried that her mother would like her apartment and 520 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,040 Seidman had just made that poster of her naked with the necklaces. 521 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,680 We put them all up on the wall. 522 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,200 We went out to visit her, the summer of love, as a family. 523 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,040 My brother and I were the only teenagers 524 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,160 who probably went out with their parents. 525 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,840 We're going to see Janis, 526 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,560 we're walking down the street, she's showing us around. 527 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,440 I was so excited. 528 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,560 Then we went to The Avalon Ballroom 529 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,680 and Big Brother was not on the bill that night. 530 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,120 But they went on and did three or four songs. 531 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,880 Moby Grape let them have a set because Janis' parents were there. 532 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,080 When we were getting ready to leave, 533 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,480 I remember overhearing one of my parents tell the other one, 534 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,120 "You know, dear, I don't think we're going to have 535 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,120 "much influence any more." 536 00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:22,080 I think that her own telling of her story was about the ability 537 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,280 to make your life fit your values. 538 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,040 And she found that opportunity in the music world of the 1960s. 539 00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:39,080 The social acceptance that she'd always wanted was there 540 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,120 and it just propelled her forward. 541 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:47,040 # Come on, come on come on, come on, come on 542 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,800 # Didn't I make you feel 543 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,920 # Like you were the only one man? # 544 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:01,240 It felt so fresh and so different for someone who'd been an outcast. 545 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,040 # A woman possibly can? 546 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,000 # Honey, you know I did 547 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,080 # And each time I tell myself that I, well 548 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,280 # I think I've had enough 549 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,160 # I'm going to show you, baby that a woman can be tough 550 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:21,600 # I want you to come on, come on come on, come on 551 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,920 # And take it 552 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,240 # Take another little piece of my heart now, baby 553 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:28,640 # Break it 554 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,320 # Break another little bit of my heart 555 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,080 # Oh, yeah 556 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,800 # Have a 557 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,760 # Have another little piece of my heart now, baby 558 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,480 # You know you got it if it makes you feel good. # 559 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:48,840 You got another manager, Albert Grossman, 560 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,240 who also manages Bob Dylan. 561 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:52,360 Yeah. He's better. 562 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,560 "Dear mother, as of yesterday afternoon, we are 563 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,440 "officially with Columbia. Wow, I'm so lucky. 564 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,840 "25, 25, 25, it's all too incredible. 565 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,080 "I just fumbled around being a mixed-up kid 566 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,840 "and then fell into this. 567 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,440 "Finally it looks like something is going to work for me. Incredible." 568 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,200 "February 20th, 1968. Dear mother, our record is a success story 569 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,520 "in itself. 570 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,920 "We've got a gold album in three days. 571 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,040 "And the most fantastic thing of all happened at the Rose Bowl. 572 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,640 "The cops wouldn't let the kids off the grass near us and, 573 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,320 "all of a sudden, they broke, just like a wave, 574 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,040 "and swarmed onto the field. 575 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,120 "They were pulling on my clothes, my beads, 576 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,320 "calling, 'Janis, Janis, we love you.' " 577 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,040 # Have another little piece of my heart now, baby 578 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,600 # You know you got it if it makes you feel good. # 579 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,200 She had a sense that, as long as people gave her the stage, 580 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,920 she would be a winner. 581 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,440 CHEERING 582 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,760 Sit down, boys. Come on, boys. Let's sit down. 583 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,360 There we are, sitting down. 584 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,680 Fantastic. 585 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,400 Is there a San Francisco sound? And, if so, what is it 586 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,760 and how did it start? 587 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,240 The thing that makes what they call the San Francisco 588 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,040 music scene, as far as I'm concerned, 589 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,520 is, like, first of all, the freedom to create here. 590 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,560 You know, for some reason, like, a lot of musicians ended up here 591 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,840 and ended up together and were at complete freedom to do whatever 592 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,600 they wanted to until they came up with their own kind of music. 593 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,840 What do you think, Sam? 594 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,840 SHE CACKLES 595 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,240 That's what we call love music, baby. 596 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:05,200 # Had no chance to say I love you and I need you, baby. # 597 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,880 APPLAUSE 598 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,120 - Not bad. - LAUGHTER 599 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,720 Well, here we are, together again at last, by popular demand. 600 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,040 How are you? 601 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,760 'I don't know what it was, we sort of hit it off right away. 602 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,880 'Was she romantically attached to me? I would hope so.' 603 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,800 May I light your fire, my child? 604 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,320 LAUGHTER 605 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,840 - I guess not. - Apparently not, no. 606 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,520 LAUGHTER 607 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,280 Well, I would have bet against it myself. 608 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,680 'We were good friends and, I will level with you, we may or may not... 609 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,880 'have ended up... 610 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,320 'intimate.' 611 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,920 I just, you know... My memory is so bad. 612 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,280 Or so good. 613 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:58,160 We lived in the Chelsea Hotel while we were making Cheap Thrills 614 00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,600 and while we were touring 615 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,400 and we lived in Los Angeles. About half the time we were in 616 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,640 Hollywood and half the time we were at the Chelsea Hotel in Manhattan. 617 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,560 And it was just so much fun. You know, we would get together 618 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,480 and do heroin at these people's rooms. 619 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,520 And just kind of not nod off or go to sleep or something 620 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,360 but just have really nice, mellow conversations. 621 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,840 # If you believe in magic 622 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,280 # Don't be afraid 623 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,920 # Afraid to use it, baby 624 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,600 # No, no, no, no, no, no 625 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:32,960 # Come on home 626 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,040 # Dressed in mystic silk 627 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,280 # Or wearing rich rags and waste 628 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,200 # Darling, please come on back to me 629 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,240 # I know we can be 630 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:47,040 # Part of a magic race. # 631 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,280 She liked New York and it had that tombstone quality for her 632 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,680 so I was going to do a film with her because I really liked 633 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,280 her a lot and she was recording stuff with the band 634 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,600 and I would go and listen and film them. 635 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,160 SHE SCREAMS 636 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:11,120 I was interested mostly in how she understood to control her 637 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:16,080 singing because her singing had this thing of when she'd lose it, 638 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,760 she would shout and scream. 639 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,360 And sometimes that was very effective but it couldn't be... 640 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,200 the music had to have something more to it than that. 641 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,240 SHE SCREAMS 642 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,320 I think it's a real good... 643 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,240 - Let's do Summertime. - OK, let's go. 644 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,920 Over to you. 645 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,520 THEY PLAY SUMMERTIME 646 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,400 She goes... 647 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,200 # Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na 648 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,760 # Don't you cry... # 649 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,440 # No, no, no, no, no, no No, no, no, no 650 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,000 # Don't you cry. # 651 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,800 - ..at the very end of the song. - In the song, last chord of the song. 652 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,480 The first G major arpeggio, I think, is wrong. When she says "cry". 653 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,360 - What you want? Six arpeggios of G minor? - G minor. 654 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,520 Because it changes to G minor for two after that. 655 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,680 It's already in the major, he's trying to get it in the minor. 656 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,600 - Why don't you do four G minors? - THEY TALK OVER EACH OTHER 657 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,400 We can do it either way. 658 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,360 I mean, they're both valid approaches 659 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,800 but I think... It's ten o'clock. 660 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,160 I think by four we could have Summertime. 661 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,640 Let's say we'll be done by 12 o'clock, 1 o'clock, 662 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,000 and we can spend a few hours doing something else. 663 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,200 If you all voted to do a bunch of them tonight, that's OK with me 664 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,720 but I personally don't agree with it. 665 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,320 Playing it and listening to it back 666 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,880 ain't going to teach us a damn thing. 667 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,720 I know exactly what that song sounds like and I've racked my brain 668 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,280 to try and get ideas for it, as I'm sure everybody else has. 669 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,640 ...G major and G minor when you sing, "Don't you cry." 670 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,960 How do you know what it...? Turn that thing off. 671 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,800 OK, all right. 672 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,560 Don't go away. 673 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,800 MUSIC: Summertime 674 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,600 # Oh, one 675 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,760 # Of these mornings 676 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:50,560 # Child, you'll rise up singing, babe 677 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,920 # I said you're going to go 678 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,280 # Honey, going to sprea-ea-ead your wings 679 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,480 # Honey, take 680 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,200 # Take to the sky-y 681 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,840 # Lord, the sky 682 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:18,680 # But till that morning 683 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:25,200 # Honey, n-no nothing's gonna harm you, babe 684 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,120 # I said, honey nothing's ever gonna let you down 685 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,360 # Oh, it just wouldn't do it 686 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,800 # Hush 687 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,960 # Baby, baby, baby, baby 688 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,320 # Baby, baby, baby 689 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,840 # No, no, no, no, no, no don't you cry 690 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,080 # No. # 691 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,040 APPLAUSE 692 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,600 Dear family, lots of trouble in the band. 693 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,880 Most of them revolving around the fact that I think I'm hot shit, 694 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,440 as I'm told by everyone from Albert down, and the band is sloppy. 695 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,840 When she came into the band, Peter was the leader of the band, 696 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,240 the bass player. 697 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:17,960 And James was the mythic, iconic, you know, beautiful figure. 698 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,400 He represented the band. 699 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,320 And then here comes Janis and when she joined the band, 700 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,200 she became both of those things. 701 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,400 They had a very complicated reaction to her fame. 702 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,040 There was a cadre of hangers-on that sort of insulated 703 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,120 her from her band, from what I could see. 704 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,120 And it was just a matter of time 705 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,920 until somebody tried to polish her up and make a big star out of her. 706 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,640 It's crazy now to think back that we signed our 707 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,800 management agreement with the guy. 708 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,400 But I think from the very get-go, there was a sense that he was 709 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,240 not a big fan of ours, that he really was into Janis. 710 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:06,360 But we wanted to believe that he would work for the whole band. 711 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,440 And the guys in the band were powerless. 712 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,360 No-one had the ability to stop that from happening. 713 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,200 She was a singularity and she attracted that kind of attention. 714 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,560 She cared about Big Brother's career, she loved those guys, 715 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,960 but there was something that she saw that was beyond that. 716 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,760 And if she didn't do it, she'd never know if she could. 717 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,720 "Dear family, so we're back in California for two more weeks. 718 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,400 "After that begins my hardest task. 719 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,080 "I told you, remember, that I was leaving Big Brother 720 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,080 "and going to do a thing on my own. 721 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,760 "There'll be a whole lot of pressure cos of the vibes 722 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,240 "created by my leaving Big Brother, and also, at just how big I am now." 723 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,800 Nobody ever saw her wearing those kind of clothes, 724 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,000 but that's the kind of clothes she had when she came from Texas. 725 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,440 If someone said, you know, "What did you learn from Janis? 726 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,520 "What did she teach you?" 727 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,360 If I had to say it in a sentence, it's emotional honesty, 728 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,880 and the price of not emotional honesty. 729 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,040 She started to lose that. 730 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,560 She started to become something that people expected of her. 731 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,920 She started to become a caricature of what she was, 732 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,880 and play it for people, you know? 733 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,120 And I think that hurt her in some way. 734 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,480 "Take this lonely heart from one lonely girl. 735 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,640 "Reaching too high, babe, can't help from getting burned." 736 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,120 Everything she ever wrote, pretty much, is autobiographical, 737 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,000 and I thought the "Reaching too high, babe", too, was right... 738 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,560 This was done right at the time when she's leaving Big Brother. 739 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,200 She knows she's kind of going to go for some higher level of fame 740 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,360 and stardom and, you know, and she might fall on her face. 741 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,920 She knew that it might not work out, she might get burned. 742 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:12,120 The fallout for James and Peter and David was significant, 743 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,960 because Janis asked Sam to come with her to her new band. 744 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,640 I loved Jan, I loved her all the way through, you know. 745 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,080 The first time I ever saw her, you know, 746 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,640 she just had this attitude that I like. 747 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,600 It wasn't belligerent but it was non-compromising. 748 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,840 MUSIC: Maybe by Janis Joplin 749 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,640 She's loud, she's... You know, one of these loud Texas women. 750 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,920 She was real smart and...considerate most of the time. 751 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,840 We both had real quick tempers. 752 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,320 # Ma-a-a-a-aybe 753 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,360 # Oh, if I could pray 754 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,560 # And I try, dear 755 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,960 # You might come back home 756 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,800 # Home to me... # 757 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,200 They called me up to play with Janis, 758 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,200 so they sent me a ticket and I went to New York. 759 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,640 I went there, opened the door, and this girl had on a bra 760 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,440 and some panties and said, "Hi, I'm Janis." 761 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,880 I said, "Hi, I'm in the right place." 762 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,720 HE CHUCKLES 763 00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:24,240 # Maybe... 764 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:26,240 # Maybe, maybe, maybe... # 765 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,680 When she started singing, I said, "Damn! 766 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,600 "Are you sure she white?!" 767 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,200 Now, you quit Big Brother and The Holding Company. 768 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,680 Why did you do that? 769 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,200 Well, just because, uh... 770 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,800 It was sort of just time for us to, I think, 771 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,400 - to go on and do something else, you know what I mean? - Mm-hm. 772 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,480 Like, you grow together, you know, a certain way 773 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,000 and you sort of exhaust each other. 774 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,320 You exhaust the good that you can do for each other, 775 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,560 and it was just time for each of us to start growing from... 776 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,440 In other directions, do you know what I mean? 777 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,960 'I think you really grow as a musician, 778 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,840 'and that's what we're, after all, we're supposed to be all about. 779 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,720 'Just trying to get better at what we do, you know?' 780 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,280 San Francisco was the first place, the first community, 781 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,080 where Janis really felt at home. 782 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,680 When she left Big Brother, she lost it. 783 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,280 The pressure to succeed was huge, 784 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,160 and she was carrying around this weight. 785 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,560 You know, she didn't know how to lead a band, 786 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,760 that's one of the reasons it was a mistake, you know. 787 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,760 She didn't know how to lead the band, and she was in charge, 788 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,360 so she had people putting together that and for her, along with a 789 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:28,480 lot of other strange people who were appointed band directors, you know. 790 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,120 It wasn't working. 791 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:37,800 There were changes in personnel, and none of it solved anything. 792 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,760 We went to Europe only, like, two months into touring. 793 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,280 She's there with a new band which doesn't know what the hell 794 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,640 it's supposed to be. 795 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,720 - JANIS JOPLIN: - OK, you guys. 796 00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:50,400 COUGHING AND CLAPPING IN AUDIENCE 797 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:51,800 # Oh... # 798 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,120 You know what? 799 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,000 No. I'm... I'm making a problem. 800 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,240 We played in Frankfurt and Janis was freaking out. 801 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:06,800 We peeped out the curtain and all of these dudes were sitting there with 802 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,240 their little haircuts, like you put a bowl on their head 803 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:11,960 and cut around the bowl. 804 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,600 - JANIS JOPLIN: - Is everybody ready?! 805 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:15,960 But we felt like playing. 806 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,120 We said, "Hey, man, we play the show. 807 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,000 "If y'all want to boogie, come on up here with us and boogie." 808 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,920 MUSIC: Raise Your Hand by Janis Joplin 809 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,600 # If there's something you need 810 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,760 # Hon, that you've never ever, ever had 811 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,480 # I know you never had it 812 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,480 # Oh, honey don't you just sit there crying 813 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,560 # Don't just there feeling bad 814 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:42,960 # No, no, no 815 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,240 # You'd better get up 816 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:46,200 # Now, don't you understand? 817 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,120 # And raise your hand 818 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,520 # Hey, hey 819 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,600 # I said r-a-a-a-a-aise your hand 820 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,800 # Right here, right now! Ay! 821 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,400 # WOW-OW-OW-OW! 822 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,240 # Wow-whoa, yeah. # 823 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,160 SONG CONTINUES 824 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,360 I'm nobody, I'm just a fan! 825 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,120 No, I jus... I'm just a fan! 826 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,920 Cos, like, I'm crazy about her! 827 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,160 - GERMAN REPORTER: - Where from you are, friend? 828 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,520 - I can't talk if you're taking pictures of me! - Why not? 829 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,280 Because I'm not groovy, she's groovy, look at her! 830 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,400 FEMALE FAN GIGGLES 831 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,520 # Come on... # 832 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,720 I guess, because we're strangers in foreign lands, 833 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:44,840 the Kozmic Blues Band came together. 834 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,480 The Albert Hall in London was the last concert, 835 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,840 and Janis knew that Bob Dylan had sold out, and she was really 836 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,200 excited about playing the Albert Hall, and she did sell out. 837 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,160 She got people dancing in the aisles at the Albert Hall, 838 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,840 and she was just ecstatic after. 839 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,040 - JANIS JOPLIN: - Oh, excited! 840 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,240 JANIS SQUEALS 841 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,120 Nobody ever, nobody, anybody ever thought it would be that good! 842 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,040 Nobody's ever fucking got up yet, no-one's gotten to dance 843 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,840 and dug it, no-one's ever done anything there, and they did it! 844 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,960 Man, they fucking got up and grooved, and then they listened! 845 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,000 God, I'm so happy! Whoo-hoo! 846 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,480 CHEERING 847 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,000 When Janis was onstage and things were going well, 848 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,960 all was right with the world. 849 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,640 But after that hour, you got to come offstage. 850 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,520 FAINT CHEERING 851 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,080 She used to say that it was like making love, 852 00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,520 being on the stage, you know. But it's an illusion. 853 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:01,760 When the show's over, 854 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,120 the audience leaves...and you're left with yourself. 855 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,720 CHEERING INTENSIFIES 856 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,400 CHEERING FADES OUT 857 00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:22,440 She rarely was using heroin before a concert, because it wasn't 858 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,360 the right kind of energy for onstage and she cared about that. 859 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,320 But her after-the-concert fix was a real regular thing. 860 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,320 We were devolving into this drug use that was way out of hand. 861 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,280 I have to, you know, digress for a second and say, 862 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,280 when Janis was in Big Brother, Peter didn't do any drugs, you know, 863 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,880 so out of respect to him, we kept it toned down a lot, you know. 864 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,040 So now she's in Kozmic Blues, so we're doing, really, 865 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,360 a lot of drugs, you know, because Peter's not... 866 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,000 Daddy isn't there any more, you know. 867 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,680 We're free and we can do all these drugs now. 868 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,440 So, it really got out of hand, you know, 869 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,920 in Los Angeles, in particular, the Landmark Hotel. 870 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,120 She called me to her room and she said, 871 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,200 "Your services are no longer needed." 872 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,560 And so then we shot up some heroin and she said, 873 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,960 "Well, aren't you going to ask me why?!" 874 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,080 I said, "What difference does it make?" 875 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,680 It was just like a marriage and I'd run out of juice and... 876 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,200 ..a lot of our friends were dying that year. 877 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,440 She's lying on a motel bed and she says, 878 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,760 "It's not going to happen to me." 879 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,360 She said, "My people are pioneer stock 880 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,800 "and they came across the country and they came to Texas. 881 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,280 "They're tough. 882 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,040 "I've got those genes and nothing's going to happen to me", 883 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,840 which made me... "Shit, I wish you wouldn't have said that!" 884 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,120 HE CHUCKLES 885 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,400 You know. 886 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,680 # Trust in me, baby 887 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,640 # Give me time, give me time, hm-mm 888 00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:58,920 # Give me time 889 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,240 # Oh, my love is like a seed, baby 890 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,400 # Just needs time to grow 891 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,800 # It's growing stronger day by day, yeah 892 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,920 # Make anybody want to sacrifice 893 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:26,000 # My love is like a seed, baby 894 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,400 # Trust in me, baby 895 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,880 # Trust in me, baby 896 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,160 # Trust in my love 897 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,400 # In my heart 898 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,320 # Keep the faith, baby 899 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,280 # Keep the faith in me, dear. # 900 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,400 We had heard about Woodstock from pretty well in advance, 901 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,360 and we thought, "Oh, great, it's the next Monterey." 902 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,240 It's a very warm summer day... 903 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,760 ..and all this variety of choppers are taking off and landing. 904 00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:02,000 I do remember that Peggy was on the airlift zone where we took off from. 905 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,320 I was always apprehensive when Peggy was around because I felt 906 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,880 she would be an enabler rather than a helper with the drug problem. 907 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:22,960 She called and said, "You have to come." I said, "I can't." 908 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,480 Because we were hearing reports that the turnpike was bogged down 909 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,200 and people were out of gas and having babies and, you know, 910 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,920 it was like locusts coming through, you know. 911 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,560 I said the only way I'd come out there was 912 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,360 if I was airlifted in and she said, "OK." 913 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,000 We were both around the same age in the South. 914 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,200 With middle class families. 915 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:09,040 But I think Janis had a harder time of coming through. 916 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,400 But on the other hand, you know, people tend to think, 917 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,840 because of that, that she was depressed. She wasn't. 918 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,000 It was all fun. 919 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,640 We shot heroin for fun. And it took the edge off. 920 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:29,680 We were in the midst of one of the most social phenomenons in history. 921 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:38,600 What I understand is she got very high shooting up in the Porta-San 922 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,800 and couldn't go on. 923 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,360 Finally, Peggy and John Cooke had to push her on stage. 924 00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,280 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 925 00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,320 How are y'all? I mean... Erm... How are you out there? Are you OK? 926 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,920 CROWD WHOOPS AND CHEERS 927 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,360 You're not... 928 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,920 You're staying stoned and you've got enough water 929 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,600 and you've got a place to sleep and everything? 930 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,280 CHEERING 931 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:18,080 Because, you know, because we oughta, all of us... 932 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,160 I don't mean to be preachy but we oughta remember, 933 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,080 and that means promoters too, that music's for grooving, man. 934 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,760 Music's not for putting yourself through bad changes. 935 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,520 You know, you don't have to go take anybody's shit, man, 936 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,160 just to like music. You know what I mean? You don't. 937 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,600 So if you're getting more shit than you deserve, 938 00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,640 you know what to do about it, man. 939 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,200 # Work me, Lord 940 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,520 # Work me, Lord 941 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,600 # Please don't you leave me 942 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,920 # I feel so useless down here 943 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,680 # With no-one to love 944 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,720 # Though I've looked everywhere 945 01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,200 # And I can't find me anybody to love 946 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,680 # To feel my care 947 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:23,000 # So-whoa 948 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,000 # Work me, Lord 949 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,160 # Whoa 950 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,200 # Oh, use me, Lord... # 951 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,640 Do you ever have a whole night when you just stand up there 952 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,920 and you feel you're not making it? 953 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,760 Well, yeah, but you're kind of trying... 954 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,840 You have little games that you play with yourself to turn yourself on. 955 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,800 - Mm. - You can usually get yourself going. 956 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,840 You've never had a desire to just leave the stage and say, "I'm sorry. 957 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,160 "It isn't working tonight, folks." 958 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,280 It's the best thing that ever happened to me. I wouldn't leave. 959 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:59,320 Yeah. Yeah. If you couldn't do it any more you'd be miserable, huh? 960 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,840 Yeah. I hope that by that time I'll have something else that's groovy. 961 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,800 # Whoa 962 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,840 # Whoa-yeah 963 01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:15,360 # Who-o-o-oa-ah 964 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,240 # Please 965 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,560 # Oh, daddy no, no, no, no, no... # VOICE BREAKS 966 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,600 # Plea-... Ah 967 01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,040 # Ah no, no, no Don't you go and leave me 968 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,480 # Honey, when I reach out I wanna 969 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,280 # I said I wanna hold on to you 970 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,160 # Well you're never there 971 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,520 # It doesn't turn me off again 972 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,440 # I still reach out to hold on to my man 973 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,000 # I said daddy, daddy, daddy, daddy daddy, daddy, daddy 974 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,040 # Don't you go 975 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,080 # No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 976 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:55,080 # Honey, don't you go and le-e-eave me 977 01:01:55,080 --> 01:02:00,480 # Say, my Lord. # 978 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,840 CHEERING DISTORTS 979 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,440 This is the dark time in my time with Janis. 980 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,800 Albert and Janis reached a point where they said, 981 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:57,880 "Well, we're going to let the Kozmic Blues Band dissipate." 982 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,000 Janis took that failure on herself. 983 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,720 She felt that she was failing and this was, as a result, 984 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,040 by far their worst abuse of heroin and alcohol. 985 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,400 Well, this whole thing that's happened to me, 986 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,240 you see, this whole success thing... Erm... 987 01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,200 It hasn't yet really compromised the position 988 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,720 I took a long time ago in Texas that was to be true to myself, 989 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:37,040 to be the person that was inside of me and not play games. 990 01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,480 That's what I'm trying to do mostly in the whole world, 991 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,680 is to not bullshit myself. 992 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,880 What do you think when you're singing? 993 01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,200 Do you actually think what's going on in the song 994 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,280 or can your mind be somewhere else? 995 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,520 - I'm not really thinking much. You're just sort of trying to feel. - Yeah. 996 01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,080 The last I heard of you, you were in the jungles of Brazil. 997 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,480 I went to Rio for Carnival 998 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,840 and then I decided to hitchhike around the northern part of Brazil. 999 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:11,840 - As a kind of vacation? - Just like a regular old beatnik on the road. 1000 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,880 I knew I was going to try to make it to Rio for Carnival cos 1001 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,920 I was meeting a friend of mine 1002 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,280 so I got to Rio a couple of days early and I thought, 1003 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,600 "God. There's Ipanema beach, you know. 1004 01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,000 "God, the girl from Ipanema," you know. 1005 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,280 So I went over to Ipanema beach 1006 01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,960 and the very first person I ran into on the beach was Janis. 1007 01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,840 I didn't know it was Janis, I just saw this girl with a bikini on. 1008 01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,280 # Don't you understand me, baby 1009 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:55,280 # Why I need a man to love... # 1010 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,960 She looked up. I remember lifting her sunglasses up and saying, 1011 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:04,160 "Hiya, cute thing." And I went, "Wow. Hiya, cute thing." 1012 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,400 I'd been in the jungle a long time! 1013 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,440 # This loneliness 1014 01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,360 # Baby, surrounding me 1015 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:16,560 - # No, no, no, it just can't be - # No, it just can't be 1016 01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,680 # There's got to be some kind of answer 1017 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,760 # No, it just can't be... # 1018 01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,840 When we went back to the hotel the first night 1019 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,280 she wasn't sleeping well, she was rolling around, 1020 01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,240 she was unhappy, she was having cold sweats 1021 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,000 and she told me that she was trying to kick the habit 1022 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,160 so I held her for two-and-a-half days while she came down. 1023 01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:43,840 She was really a different person. 1024 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:48,120 She was much more calm, she was much more beautiful, I mean... 1025 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,360 And she wasn't used to being straight 1026 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,800 so she knew she was more beautiful and then after that it was clear - 1027 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:59,320 she couldn't have gotten higher than when we travelled around Brazil. 1028 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,200 She was so free and so different than any other girl I'd ever met. 1029 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,600 I'd never had a woman inspire me before. 1030 01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,640 So it stopped me in my tracks, so to speak. 1031 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,440 I was heading for North Africa and when I met her I realised, 1032 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,080 "Shit, I'm not going anywhere." 1033 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,000 When we came back to California we spent time together, 1034 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,240 just the two of us. 1035 01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,000 I mean, we did come to the park here and we did go to the Haight 1036 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,360 but basically we just pretty much hung together. 1037 01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,120 We were inseparable, really, for those months. 1038 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,880 As my relationship with Janis grew, 1039 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:43,640 I realised when she sang me these songs they were always the blues 1040 01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,480 and that's what she felt, basically, were the blues. 1041 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,680 She could feel everybody's pain. 1042 01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,160 That's one of the reasons she did heroin, 1043 01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:55,200 was so she didn't have to be involved with everybody else's life. 1044 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,920 Most people can be oblivious to what's going on around them. 1045 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:02,040 Janis couldn't. She couldn't block it out. 1046 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,080 But she was addicted to it, you know. 1047 01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,400 And I got her to stop and then when I would go away 1048 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,200 she'd get weak, I guess, is one way to say it, and start it again. 1049 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,960 I told her I can't do that part. 1050 01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,000 I can't put up with that cos it's killing you. 1051 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,640 And it broke my heart to see it. 1052 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,800 Really what it is, it broke my heart, more than anything. 1053 01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,840 When I said I was leaving she said, 1054 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,480 "Why don't you stay and become my manager?" 1055 01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,520 It was a tempting offer 1056 01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,800 but the heroin I couldn't even begin to put up with. 1057 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:40,600 # Oh 1058 01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,680 # Baby 1059 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,520 # Cry, baby 1060 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,640 # Cry, baby 1061 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:55,120 # Oh, honey, welcome back home 1062 01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,160 # I had a man 1063 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:05,080 # He said honey, honey You know that I love you 1064 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,320 # See, baby, you know I gotta go find myself 1065 01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,320 # You know I gotta go find my life 1066 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,440 # I gotta go find myself over in Africa 1067 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,640 # Or over in New York City 1068 01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,600 # Or over in Olema 1069 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,000 # Some place those cats are always wandering off to 1070 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,680 # I never figured out exactly where it was 1071 01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,920 # Always going somewhere, man 1072 01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,480 # And I said, baby, don't you realise 1073 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,120 # You lookin' for your life over there, honey 1074 01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,120 # You wanna know where your life is? 1075 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:41,520 # Your life's waiting like a goddamn fool right here 1076 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,840 # For you, man 1077 01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,560 # And one mornin' you're going to wake up in Casablanca 1078 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,400 # One of those fancy places 1079 01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,840 # Honey, you're gonna be freezing to death, man 1080 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,200 # You're gonna wake up just think Good Lord 1081 01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,160 # Good, good, good Lord 1082 01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,280 # I just went off and left that woman 1083 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,920 # In that great big huge double bed Great big fur rug on top of it 1084 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:07,480 # And those satin sheets man What am I doin' in Casablanca, man 1085 01:09:07,480 --> 01:09:09,600 # I mean really, man 1086 01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,440 # One of these days that cat's gonna wake up and say it to himself 1087 01:09:12,440 --> 01:09:17,560 # And when he comes back home, yeah Just like the Capricorn I am 1088 01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,840 # I'll be standin' there waiting man 1089 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,280 # I said, baby, I knew one day 1090 01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,800 # Honey, I knew, knew, knew one day 1091 01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,760 # Won't you finally come home to me 1092 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,760 # Honey, when you walk through my front door 1093 01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,640 # I'll be able to tell by the look in your eyes 1094 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,680 # I said, good God 1095 01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,400 # I mean finally Good God, yeah 1096 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:46,320 # Lord, he done finally realised 1097 01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,400 # So you can put your head on my shoulder yeah 1098 01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:54,440 # Cos I know you've got more tears to shed do you 1099 01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:57,600 # So come on, come on, come on 1100 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,200 # Come on, come on, come on 1101 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,920 # And cry, cry, baby 1102 01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,960 # Cry, baby 1103 01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,480 # Cry 1104 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,800 # Cry 1105 01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,680 # Cry, baby 1106 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,600 # Cry, baby 1107 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,880 # Cry, baby. # 1108 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,560 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 1109 01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,000 I want to ask you about that tune that you just sang. 1110 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:45,040 - It's, erm, about men. - It's about men. 1111 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,920 - Do you ever see those mule carts? - Yeah. 1112 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:52,520 Well, there's a dumb mule up there, right, and they have a long stick 1113 01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,280 with a string and a carrot on the end of it. 1114 01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,480 And they hang this thing in front of the mule's nose 1115 01:10:57,480 --> 01:11:03,680 - and he runs after it all day long. - And who's the man in this parable? 1116 01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:08,080 - The mule or... - No. - Or is he holding the carrot? - The woman is the mule. 1117 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,920 Chasing something that somebody's always teasing her with. 1118 01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,080 - Chasing a man. - Yeah. - Who always eludes her. 1119 01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,120 Well, they just always hold up something 1120 01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,160 more than they're prepared to give. 1121 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,120 We had dinner one night and I remember suddenly saying, 1122 01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,160 without having planned to... 1123 01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:29,120 "How can you assure me that you're not taking... 1124 01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,360 "That you're not doing heroin? 1125 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:36,640 And her answer was interesting. It was, "Who would care?" 1126 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,680 It really stopped me. 1127 01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,320 Do you ever get back to Port Arthur, Texas? 1128 01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,480 No, but I'm going back next in August, man. 1129 01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:50,640 - And guess what I'm doing? - I don't know. 1130 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,280 I'm going to my tenth annual high school reunion. 1131 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,320 LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE 1132 01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:00,000 Oh, I want to... Take movies and bring them back to us. 1133 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,040 Hey, would you like to go, man? 1134 01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,680 Well, I don't have that many friends in your high school class. 1135 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,600 I don't either. I don't either, believe me. 1136 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,440 - They won't move the reunion now that you're going? - That's true. 1137 01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:12,520 I wasn't going to tell them. 1138 01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,720 What do you remember most about Port Arthur? 1139 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,760 SHE LAUGHS 1140 01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,640 Erm... I don't really remember... VOICE BREAKS 1141 01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,680 Erm, no comment. THEY GIGGLE 1142 01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:34,720 It was really only the acceptance of millions that could make up 1143 01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,920 for that way that she's grown up. 1144 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:42,680 If everyone loved her, then it was OK but if anyone didn't, 1145 01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,160 they could destroy her in a minute. 1146 01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:49,400 How were you different from your schoolmates when you were in TJ? 1147 01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,440 I don't know. Why don't you ask them? 1148 01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,480 - It was they, it was they who made you different? - No. I... 1149 01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:00,000 In other words, you were different in comparison with them 1150 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,960 or were you... 1151 01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,760 I felt apart from them. Let's put it that way. 1152 01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,400 - Did you go to football games? - I don't remember. 1153 01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:12,520 Erm, I don't remember. 1154 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:19,400 I think not. I didn't go to the high school prom. And... 1155 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:25,600 - You were asked, weren't you? - No. I wasn't. They didn't think... 1156 01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,600 I don't think they wanted to take me. 1157 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,200 SHE LAUGHS 1158 01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,480 TEARFULLY: And I've been suffering ever since! 1159 01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:36,800 THEY LAUGH I remember, when I was young, 1160 01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:42,000 some doctor told my mother that if I didn't, quote, straighten up, 1161 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,000 quote, I was going to end up either in jail or in an insane 1162 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,160 asylum by the time I was 21, right. 1163 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,880 So when I turned 25 and my second record came out, I think 1164 01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,520 my mother sent me a congratulatory telegram or something, 1165 01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,040 you know, that I had escaped the pen. 1166 01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,720 - How do you get along with your parents? - Pretty good. Pretty... 1167 01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,760 - They had somewhere to go? - Right. 1168 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,520 They went to a wedding at the high school. We get along pretty good. 1169 01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,800 - Erm... Yeah. - Do they ever seem surprised by your success? 1170 01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,440 I think yeah, yeah. 1171 01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:18,120 Our parents saw it as, you know, challenging to their way of life, 1172 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,160 to their positions in the community 1173 01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,840 and it created difficulties between them 1174 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,040 and both of them silently, with each other, 1175 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:32,800 feeling that they had somehow caused a calamity. 1176 01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,600 I didn't see her for six months. 1177 01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,680 She had promised me that she was going to quit heroin. 1178 01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,440 And she did. And it changed her. 1179 01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:11,200 "Dear family. Things are going so well for me. 1180 01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,000 "I have a new, smaller band and it's really going fantastic. 1181 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,240 "Met a really fine man in Rio but I had to get back to work 1182 01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,320 "so he's off finding the rest of the world. 1183 01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,040 "But he really did love me and was so good to me. 1184 01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,240 "He wants to come back and marry me. 1185 01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:28,560 "I thought I'd die without someone besides fans asking me. 1186 01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,400 "But he meant it and who knows? I may get tired of the music biz. 1187 01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,440 "But I'm really getting it on now." 1188 01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,200 She called me up and said, "I've got a great new band. 1189 01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:46,080 "You want to come back on the road?" With Janis it was magic. 1190 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,640 She had a gift from God when she played. 1191 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:53,120 There was a connection there. I don't know what it was between us. 1192 01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,240 Somehow we didn't really do a lot... We never did a lot of talking. 1193 01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,400 She was a bubbly person. 1194 01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,280 She wanted everything to be so perfect for everyone. Not just her. 1195 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,320 Everyone. 1196 01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,480 # You say that it's over, baby 1197 01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:11,200 # You say that it's over now 1198 01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,200 # But still you hang around... # 1199 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,440 She said, "Man, with Full Tilt I can change something 1200 01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:20,040 "in the middle of the song and they're right there." 1201 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,200 She was a fantastic front person. 1202 01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:27,480 She would say, "When I do the windmill, keep her going." 1203 01:16:27,480 --> 01:16:29,520 Or we'd be playing a song 1204 01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,680 and she'd decide she'd like to talk to the audience. 1205 01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:37,200 She would bring the band down and then she would start talking. 1206 01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,240 I can't hear you! 1207 01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:47,720 She was working the crowd. 1208 01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,800 # You say that it's over, baby... # 1209 01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,880 It wasn't just that she was clean. 1210 01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,720 She had learned just about every lesson to be learned 1211 01:16:55,720 --> 01:17:00,320 from the really tough times of the year before. 1212 01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,200 She was more comfortable about her whole life. 1213 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,000 Having David leave her was actually really good for her. 1214 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,040 She spoke of him afterwards as her lost love. 1215 01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,600 She still hoped that he would come back after she got clean. 1216 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,760 # I ain't got no time for walking 1217 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,400 # And what's that gonna do with your love 1218 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,000 # Love all just dangling 1219 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,160 # Hey 1220 01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,560 # Make up your mind, honey 1221 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,240 # You're playing with me... # 1222 01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:35,760 "David, honey. Daddy, listen. I kicked, man, four months ago. 1223 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:39,440 "I'm on the road rockin' with a new group so I got Janis back. 1224 01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:42,280 "She's delightfully crazy but I love her, man. 1225 01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,280 "I've got that picture of us in Salvador 1226 01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,080 "and every time I look at it, I look like a woman. 1227 01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,680 "Not a pop star. But I'm afraid it's too late. 1228 01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:53,080 "I know how to be a pop star but I don't know how to bake bread. 1229 01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,160 "But honey, when I look at you this whole flood comes over me. 1230 01:17:56,160 --> 01:18:00,120 "I love ya and I did write, motherfucker. Don't you yell at me." 1231 01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,080 - PHONE INTERVIEWER: - It seems to bother a lot of women's lib people 1232 01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,440 that you're kind of so upfront sexually. 1233 01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:32,880 I haven't been attacked by anyone yet. 1234 01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,920 You know, how can they attack me? 1235 01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,040 I'm representing everything they said they want, you know. 1236 01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,800 It's sort of like you are what you settle for, do you know what I mean? 1237 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,240 And if, you know, if they settle for being somebody's dishwasher 1238 01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,280 that's their own fucking problem. 1239 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,760 If you don't settle for that and you keep fighting, you know, 1240 01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,960 you'll end up anything you'll want to be. 1241 01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,520 I'm just doing what I want to and what feels right 1242 01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:01,200 and not settling for bullshit and it works. How can they be mad at that? 1243 01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,240 One girl I know said, 1244 01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,160 "How come she doesn't have any women in any of her groups?" 1245 01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,320 You show me a good drummer and I'll hire one. You know. 1246 01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,280 Show me a good chick. 1247 01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,160 - Besides, I don't want a chick on the road with me. - You don't? 1248 01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,680 I've got enough competition, man. THEY LAUGH 1249 01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,560 No, I like to be around men! 1250 01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,480 - Fuck it! - God bless ya, folks! 1251 01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:28,640 - God bless ya! - Peace, love, truth, beauty! 1252 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:33,200 It was fun getting back with her on the Festival Express. 1253 01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,040 Because we were all stuck in a little area. 1254 01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,240 Her yes men couldn't contain her there. 1255 01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,960 They couldn't control her there because she wanted to get out 1256 01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,200 and be with her kindred spirits, the musicians. 1257 01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,880 - Are we in Calgary yet? - We're stopped. 1258 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,880 - And we're going to run out... - We're in Alberta. - Alberta? - Alberta. 1259 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,480 Alberta, let yo' hair hang do-... 1260 01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:56,760 No! LAUGHTER DROWNS SPEECH 1261 01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,600 I've loved you ever since the day I saw you. 1262 01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,680 Drew didn't love Janis 1263 01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,840 because she was a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model. 1264 01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:17,280 He loved her for what she did. And the sparks that she threw off. 1265 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,920 He had a right proper appreciation for what Janis was 1266 01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,040 and what she had to offer. 1267 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,720 # From the Kentucky coalmines to the California sun 1268 01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:38,200 # Bobby shared the secrets of my soul... 1269 01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:44,720 Her producer gave me a demo of her singing Bobby McGee. 1270 01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:52,080 # Bobby, baby, kept me from the cold... # 1271 01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:56,720 It was so exhilarating for me to hear her make that her song. 1272 01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:01,000 If you're a songwriter and somebody does that with what you've got, 1273 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,640 it's the greatest feeling in the world. 1274 01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,680 # Well, I'd trade all of my tomorrows 1275 01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,240 # For one single yesterday 1276 01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:13,640 # To be holding Bobby's body next to mine... # 1277 01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,960 TRACK FADES INTO STUDIO VERSION 1278 01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,760 # Freedom's just another word For nothing left to lose 1279 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,560 # Nothin', that's all that Bobby left me... # 1280 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:27,280 - I hear you're making a new record. - Yeah. It's really going good. 1281 01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,200 I like my producer. He's really worked out really well with me. 1282 01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,880 - Who's producing it? - Paul Rothchild. 1283 01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,000 - You haven't worked with him before, huh? - No. No, I haven't. 1284 01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,920 The first time I spoke to Janis about Paul, she said, 1285 01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,520 "Boy, that guy!" And I said, "What?" 1286 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,800 And she started talking about him and this is serious Janis 1287 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,800 and I had never heard her say this kind of stuff about anybody. 1288 01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:53,000 She was talking about how much she was learning from him. 1289 01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:59,000 The mood was very up. I mean, as good as sessions get. 1290 01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:03,720 Everybody in love with everybody else and working very hard. 1291 01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:07,720 And Janis, she was always ready to do the most. 1292 01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:12,200 She was a much better singer than the world or even she knew. 1293 01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,000 # La-la-la-la-la-la-la La-la-la-la-la 1294 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,560 # Hey now, Bobby Bobby McGee... # 1295 01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:22,800 What he was asking her to do was to understand the different voices 1296 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,840 she had at her command 1297 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:29,400 and the ramifications of this for Janis were really profound. 1298 01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,960 Because she had always said, and she absolutely meant it, "Oh, man. 1299 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:37,560 "When I blow out my voice I'm gonna buy a bar, retire in Rains County." 1300 01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,800 What she was learning from Paul was enabling her to see 1301 01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,080 farther into the future. 1302 01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,560 And that's where Paul was looking all along. 1303 01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:49,000 He said, 30 years from now I want you to be making your best 1304 01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,040 album and I want you to be making it with me. 1305 01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,240 She called me on the phone and she said, 1306 01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,840 "I've got to play on the phone for you... 1307 01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:05,520 ..a song of Kris Kristofferson's that I've just recorded." 1308 01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:11,960 To hear that voice, to hear her pride, to hear her excitement... 1309 01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:20,920 I didn't hear it till she was gone and it was very emotional for me. 1310 01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,800 I can see her saying, "Wait till that son-of-a-bitch hears this!" 1311 01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,840 You know? 1312 01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,640 # Hey, hey, hey, Bobby McGee. # 1313 01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:37,000 You know, everything about it was positive for Janis. 1314 01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,760 Except that she always hated the down hours. 1315 01:23:43,480 --> 01:23:46,600 The Janis who says, "How come the guys in the band go home, 1316 01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,720 "you know, with these girls and I go home alone?" 1317 01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:53,400 She was saying, "You can't imagine how hard it is to be me." 1318 01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:04,760 She just didn't know who to relax with. She just didn't know any more. 1319 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:10,680 A lot of pressure. "You've got to do this, Janis. You've got to do that." 1320 01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,880 That's what made it hard for her, I think. She loved everybody. 1321 01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,920 That was the problem. 1322 01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,400 She was like a little girl lost 1323 01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:26,360 and then she would be as strong as a mountain lion. 1324 01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:28,400 Erm... 1325 01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,360 As far as anyone could see, she had kicked heroin. 1326 01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,400 She had replaced it with alcohol 1327 01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,400 but it didn't look like that was going to kill her. 1328 01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:45,040 I think she thought, one last little hurrah. 1329 01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:51,240 I can understand her wanting to, you know, no-one's ever going to know. 1330 01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,560 I'll hang in my room, do a hit and then go to bed. 1331 01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,840 Paul Rothchild called me and he said, "Janis isn't here. 1332 01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,360 "Can you see if you can find her?" 1333 01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,800 And I pulled out of the driveway and I look up there 1334 01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:12,440 and I know which room is hers and there's a light on in the window. 1335 01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:17,480 And when I opened the door I had this really simple 1336 01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:19,560 and direct feeling - nobody's here. 1337 01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,920 I came round the corner and saw Janis lying by the bed. 1338 01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,840 But that feeling of nobody is here, it was right. 1339 01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:46,960 # Sit there 1340 01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,840 # Mm, count your fingers 1341 01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,200 # What else 1342 01:25:56,200 --> 01:26:01,800 # What else is there to do... # 1343 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:09,480 I was standing at a stove, boiling an egg or something. 1344 01:26:09,480 --> 01:26:11,520 The radio said, "Janis Joplin..." 1345 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,040 And I knew before they got to the last consonant in her name 1346 01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,080 out that she was dead. 1347 01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:23,080 # Count, oh, count your little fingers 1348 01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,520 # My unhappy... # 1349 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,120 I wrote a telegram to Janis that says... 1350 01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:37,000 "Really miss you. Things aren't the same alone. 1351 01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,760 "Could meet you in Kathmandu any time 1352 01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,080 "but late October is the best season. 1353 01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,880 "Love you, Momma. More than you know." 1354 01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:53,600 # Oh, sit there... # 1355 01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,840 I just fell apart. I just completely fell apart. 1356 01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:04,280 She was in touch with her emotions and who she was in such a way 1357 01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:07,760 that nobody else that I knew was that in touch with. 1358 01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:11,440 And to be that way, to try to get that, that's... 1359 01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:18,880 That's the price you pay for doing that kind of art on that level, 1360 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,920 you know. 1361 01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:31,720 "Dear family. I'm awfully sorry to be such a disappointment to you 1362 01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,760 "but I really do think there's an awfully good chance 1363 01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,680 "I won't blow it this time. 1364 01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,480 "There's really nothing more I can say right now. 1365 01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:42,520 "Guess I'll write more when I have more news. 1366 01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:47,040 "Until then, address all criticism to the above address 1367 01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:52,000 "and believe that you can't possibly want for me to be a winner 1368 01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,360 "more than I do. Love, Janis." 1369 01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:01,840 # Sit there 1370 01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:07,480 # Go on, go on and count your fingers 1371 01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:15,040 # Oh, no, what else, what else What else have you got to do 1372 01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,040 # I know how you feel 1373 01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:21,080 # And I know you ain't got no reason to go on 1374 01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,840 # I know you feel that you must be through 1375 01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:27,240 # Go on and sit right back down 1376 01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:31,760 # Oh, won't you count Count your fingers 1377 01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,560 # My unhappy 1378 01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,040 # My unlucky 1379 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:41,560 # But my little Little girl blue 1380 01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,400 # I know you're unhappy 1381 01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,920 # Oh 1382 01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,200 # Honey I know 1383 01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:56,680 # Babe, I know just how you feel. # 114373

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